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Latauro vs TRON LEGACY

Published at: Dec. 17, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

Which is more important: the immediate feeling you have after a film, or the one you have after long consideration? I think both are valid, and if I'm honest, the fairly thorough hate -- or intense dislike, if you prefer -- that I felt for this film upon exiting the cinema has dissipated. Now, looking back, I simply feel bored by it. Although I'm personally interested to explore whether the film is incredibly bad or just incredibly meh, I can't imagine anyone at Disney is chomping at the bit to discover which it is. Those associated with TRON LEGACY should look away now.

I went in with no expectations one way or another. I'm pretty sure I saw the original TRON when I was very young, but a vague image of a light-cycle in my memory does not induce any sort of nostalgia. My attempts to revisit the original before going into TRON LEGACY were thwarted by circumstance, so I decided to turn this into a positive: would this film work at all on someone who doesn't really know what happened in the original?

The answer is no, but it's a qualified no. The script is written in such a way so you feel as if you're being caught up on the action, but without the actual benefits that such scripting might cause. Like, for example, being caught up on the action. For every piece of expository dialogue, the film still makes you feel that you're missing some important chunks if you haven't seen the first. But hey, there's a new character, and he has daddy issues and the ability to drive motorbikes really fast, so maybe that will be something to latch onto.

It isn't. Garrett Hedlund's Sam Flynn is an archetype, and I don't mean that they started with an archetype and built from there, I mean they started with an archetype and stopped. He's heroic-ish, he has a wild streak, and every damn line out of his mouth is some sort of trailer-bound zinger: "Now I'm in trouble!" "You have got to be kidding me!" "Enjoy the swim, guys!" I didn't take notes, so those quotes might not be verbatim, but they're close enough to give you the idea of what 90% of his dialogue consisted of.

I want to talk about the film's main problem, but I can't decide on what it is. As a visually-compelling world, it's a bit of a mish-mash. Sure, the effects are mostly great, but the ideas behind them are weak. There are no clear rules to this world, and so nothing really has any impact. I know the history of the world was laid out in Exposition Speeches 73 through 112, but none of these oral histories impact on what we see. I don't know whether the people who inhabit this world are automated programs or free-thinking beings, so I'm not sure how much I care when they get killed. I know that Clu is trying to take over our world, but I don't really know why, or what that's going to look like. I know he and Flynn had a big falling out, but it's not really clear why. It's this lack of a solidly-defined world that makes the effects completely and inevitably hollow. Yes, they're impressive to an extent, but they're not depicting anything I care about. Even CGI needs to be grounded with some sort of heart.

Of course, any time I was in danger of being impressed by the effects, we would quickly cut to CGI Creepy Smooth Jeff Bridges With Dead Eyes. At first this Benjamin Buttoned Bridges is seen only in flashback to 1989, and only in fleeting glances, so you at first feel relieved that this effect is surely temporary. Then, of course, villain Clu appears, who is also Creepy Smooth CGI Bridges. He gets lots of fully-lit shots all to himself, so you really have time to look at him and be completely taken out of the moment.

Then -- and only then -- do we come to the film's plot. Have a look at this plot outline and tell me what you think: an orphaned young man is destined for greater things because of his presumed-dead father; he finds himself in a fantastical world he's always dreamed of, and discovers he has a particular talent for the futuristic weapons and objects found in this world; his guide is a mystical man in a large cloak who talks about meditation a lot; he is betrayed by a man in a sky palace; an arm is chopped off during battle; the girl he likes is the last of her kind; the boy works out his daddy issues by fighting a hollow representation of his father in the final battle, after said representation defeats his cloak-wearing mentor. Had Olivia Wilde's Quorra turned out to be Sam Flynn's sister, I'd have been on the phone to Lucasfilm's lawyers in a heartbeat. Seriously, lay out the plot points of each film and then tell me there wasn't some heavy influencing going on.

But unlike the original STAR WARS, we just do not care. I don't know if it's because Garrett Hedlund's version of crying is to widen his lips and bare his teeth whilst an unconvincingly-placed tear trickles down his cheek, or if it's because the end objective is not something we're ever invested in. There is a lot of nonsense about getting back a disc to seal off something that was apparently going to seal itself off anyway and now it's only open because of the disc, and I wasn't really following much of it, and this wouldn't be a problem except that the entire climactic battle is based around this apparently important task. (I thought we were long past the style of 90s action movies that included the phrase "Get the disc!", but TRON LEGACY found a new and very literal way back.)

There's so much more I haven't even begun to cover. There's the irritating fact that Jeff Bridges is tasked with playing The Dude rather than Kevin Flynn, because everybody loves THE BIG LEBOWSKI, right? I adore Bridges, so watching him attempt to play a character even as the script forced a "Radical, man!" or a "You're messing with my zen!" out of his lips made me cringe. How anybody even tangentially related to the scripting process thought that forcing Bridges to revisit Lebowski in a fucking TRON sequel wasn't the worst idea in history is beyond me.

But you might not care that much, as Garrett Hedlund and Olivia Wilde distract with their far-more-annoying charisma-free leads. Or, hey, Michael Sheen, whom I usually love, potentially ending his career with the campest character ever to get lost heading to its community theatre production of "Little Shop of Horrors". Was this meant to be the comic relief? It is a special new kind of bad, and I almost admire Sheen for putting his heart and soul into some of the worst characterisations ever committed to film. At very least, he put 100% into it.

Or there's the half hour in the middle of the film where all the action comes to a grinding halt so we can have three consecutive exposition stories. This isn't the first time in TRON LEGACY that everything has been put on hold so we can be told about some sort of exciting backstory that wasn't in the film itself, but it stands out because they put so many of them together in the one sequence. From a pure storytelling perspective, the film is clinically dead for a significant amount of time.

Or there's the fact that Kevin Flynn's plan to defeat Clu could well be described as: "Hey, did you see how I got my butt handed to me at the end of IRON MAN? It had something to do with high altitude. Let's try that exact same thing in the exact same way!" "But we're in a computer. Why would altitude even apply?" "That light cycle really tied the room together."

Or there's the fact that the character of Tron himself -- who is through-and-through the film's Boba Fettt, to continue the STAR WARS metaphor from earlier -- suddenly has an unmotivated moment of redemption for no discernible reason other than the fact that it was the thematically relevant thing to happen at that moment.

Or there's the fact that the script subscribes to my favourite type of faux-intellectual posturing: reading out the titles and authors of old-looking books on a shelf. Sam Flynn saying "Tolstoy... Dostoyevsky..." knowingly and without any particular prompting was the least convincing thing in this wholly unconvincing film. It's a Books Are Good message that has zero relevance to anything else in the movie, and the way it is shoe-horned in is a new kind of hilarious.

Look, the Daft Punk score was quite good, and certain parts (the light cycle sequence in particular) look pretty, and it contains some actors I love (even if most of them are not giving performances I love), but that's about it. The film is a hollow, irritating, soulless experience that can't even build a compelling mythology around a slam-dunk concept.

As a form of escapism it works, but only in that it helps you escape from a far better film playing in the adjoining cinema. Although why you'd want to do that is beyond me. Avoid.

 

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  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    huh?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    first?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    whats happening I'm confused and scared

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    why has this TB gone back in time?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    probably the most unnecessary sequel ever

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    END OF LINE

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Yay it's back

    by D o o d

    Latauro, people aint gonna agree with you and some childish TB's use language unfit for social gatherings, but they seem to feel it's ok to post anonymously. Leave the review up and just let everyone have their say!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I had more fun...

    by Space_Butler

    waiting in line to pee in the theater bathroom after the movie than I did reading this review. Either you're a professional or you call everyone "bro" and talk to them like they're your friend. Pick a writing style and stick with it.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Latauro = Fail

    by darquelyte

    While it wasn't the greatest movie of all time, if you actually pay attention, much like you have to with Inception, you'd understand what happened and what is taking place. Visually very impressive, and the sound editing should win an Academy Award for the scene where Sam goes to the arcade if for nothing else. Daft Punk's soundtrack was very good, and while nobody will win an award for acting, the action and story were just fine. See it in 3D in an IMAX theater with THX sound and it's more than worth the price of admission.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Who is this guy?

    by ufoclub1977

    This is well written!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    I can't say I hated Tron Legacy... BUT..

    by mcgillj

    Let me preface this for.. I didn't have a GEEK love of TRON back in the day... in fact.. I didn't really remember it.. all that well.. and got reacquainted with it when they released the 2 disc DVD back in.. 02? maybe. So.. I can say.. the original? kinda flimsy on story.. it was.. BUT.. I just flat out LOVED, being older now, how they relate to so much that's REAL in the computer world.. and how they.. related that to what happens on the grid. Now.. the original will never win any medals for original story telling.. but.. it seemed well thought out.. and there was a sense of.. logic of.. why they did what they did.. and the fX.. pretty dang cool for 1982. On the other hand.. in 2010... The faux Bridges? eh.. had its MOMENTS.. but others.. I can see the problem they had with it.. CGI has come a LONG LONG way.. but.. not quite that far, yet. Although.. I do hope they get it down.. it seemed like NOTHING above the cheek line animated.. very very strange looking.. but.. love the.. AMBITION of it. But.. the story? even THINNER? The "carnival barker"? Really.. kind of ANNOYING.. go nowhere do nothing character.. that just seemed to want to throw in some weird pseudo musical number.. is this TRON or Rocky Horror? I can see the.. disconnect of casting Cillian Murphy.. then having him have.. maybe 4 lines? BUT.. I do like they are thinking ahead.. BUT.. alot of the critiques are DEAD ON.. Legacy REALLY is a passing the torch kinda picture.. and.. honestly.. why call the movie TRON? When.. (sadly) TRON is barely in it!!! They could de-age "The Dude" but not Boxleitner? WTF? Yet again.. though.. its one of those things they COULD do (but it didn't happen HERE). And.. yeah.. and maybe its just the review.. that made me catch on to it more.. but the whole Zen.. "you're harshing my zen dude.." was.. really just.. "off". That was NOT the Flynn I remember.. although I can see Bridges did want to make a stark contrast between Clu and Flynn.. but.. as someone else said.. it came off as "The Dude" in "the grid".. very very strange..

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    What a fool

    by scrow98

    It sounds like he didn't even watch it, as he asked questions that are easily answered in the film. Next time you write a review Laturo, make an effort to actually watch the film, unless that is, you enjoy sounding like a complete moron.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    It was weak.

    by Powerring

    It was a far bigger disappointment than superman returns, which at least had some redeeming value beyond effects. Tron should get edited down and sold as a bunch of lightshow a/v videos. As a movie the characters suck and all non action moves like a glacier. It was a failure, and the biggest remake disappointment that leaves no lasting impression or desire to see again.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Ouch

    by Geekgasm

    Well I'm definitely skipping that tomorrow.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Just saw Legacy.

    by toasteroven

    My kids loved it. My wife liked it. My parents really liked it. Theatre was full, crowds were happy when they got out. The fact that Latauro didn't even bother to view the original says spades about his qualifications as a "professional" film reviewer. In that he shouldn't be one. This was a valentine from Disney. A throwback to the movies they used to make. A movie with soul, heart, and real people... not idolizations or perfect beings. Imperfection was the name of the game here. Didn't you watch the movie? Sorry you missed it Latauro, and I'm really sorry you can't walk out of a movie like this without remembering what it was like to see Flight of the Navigator for the first time and then pretending you were whisked away to Phaelon. Or Love Bug, and then hoping your parent's car would come to life. Because tonight, my kids are talking about the awesomeness of the Grid, and what can happen if they were there. Or if they had lightcycles.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    it wasn't nearly as hard to follow as he suggests

    by percane

    granted, i just rewatched the original but... 1) michael sheen was great. he reminded me of a ziggy stardust era david bowie. his decadence makes sense as his character doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything anymore. he's the true believer who's lost his belief 2)there was nothing "sudden" about tron's redemption at the end. you get hints of it throughout, including at the beginning when he has a chance to kill sam but doesn't when he sees he's a user. 3)it's perfectly clear why flynn and clu had a falling out if you actually watched the movie. flynn demanded a perfect world, clu interpreted that as order lacking chaos. it's very similar thematically to the terminator, where skynet decides the only way to protect humanity is to destroy it, and the x-men, where the sentinels decide the only way to kill mutants is to kill all humans. what flynn saw as a miracle, clu saw as abberations, imperfection. i believe that was touched on in another review on this site

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Nicely done.

    by Bvc79

    Best review I've seen for this boring mess.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    by DeadAtRecess

    Having grown up with the original I was very worried that some of the early negative reviews would be correct so I went in not knowing what to expect. I have to tell you that I couldn't even agree a little bit with what the naysayers were talking about. It's like we saw two different films. Tron Legacy was a well acted, slick, well told sci-fantasy yarn in the vein of the original. It really held true to the spirit of Tron but wasn't afraid to break new ground. First of all you need to buy the fact that someone can be laser zapped into a computer. If you bought that in the first one then you should have no problem here. I think that too many people are seeing the film that either haven't seen the first one, or they haven't seen the first one in years. This is not a science FICTION film, this is a science FANTASY film. Critics arguing in their reviews that it is never explained why Kevin and Sam Flynn can exist inside the computer are demonstrating that they have not seen the first film or they don't pay attention. There's a digitizing laser and it zaps things that are real and puts them into the computer. Done. There are certain things about the mythology of Tron that you have to take at face value. If you see it happen or hear it explained in the movie then that means that in the fantasy of Tron that it CAN happen. Some critics are accusing the film of having too much exposition...telling you things instead of showing you. In a film that takes place almost three decades after the original you are going to need some explaining as to what took place during the gap. Exposition is very necessary here. They also went a step further though...they included a lot of flashback scenes with the exposition as a narration over top. I was not bored for one second. In fact, the more they explained things the more I wanted to know. Had they taken the "show you instead of tell you" route the film would have been 10 hours long...which is good for me but not for mainstream audiences. The main cast... One critic compared Garrett Hedlund (who plays the lead role of Sam Flynn) to Hayden Christensen. Being someone who loves the OT and also Tron, and someone who wanted to love the PT but hated it beyond belief, I can tell you that this is without a doubt one of the most idiotic things that I have ever heard. Garrett Hedlund (whom I was nervous about I admit) did a great job as Sam Flynn. I totally wanted the character to succeed, there was never a moment that had me groaning at his line delivery, and physically he was just the right kind of actor that they needed for the role. I believed him as the son of Kevin Flynn. Olivia Wilde as Quorra. She's gonna be every guy's new crush. Aside from how she looks, she plays the character perfectly. She has a wide eyed sense of wonder and she is fiercely loyal to Flynn and then later, Sam. She is exactly the kind of person, male or female, that you would want on your side in a fight....and she's not a flawless fighter. That's just it, she could get killed any second but she just dives in to save your ass. And she has some pretty funny dialog too. Jeff Bridges. Holy crap I love Jeff Bridges in this movie. He plays 3 roles here...young Flynn, old Flynn, and Flynn's creation - CLU 2.0, who is basically the next version of CLU from the beginning of the first film. CLU is the antagonist here and for his physical appearance they used CGI to make Jeff Bridges look 20 years younger. Some people are complaining about the way the mouth moves and that he looks a little soulless, but I thought that it suited the character as he is supposed to a little on the soulless side...sort of an automaton based on Flynn's desire to achieve a perfect world inside "the grid"...and to CLU that means perfection at any cost Oh the grid! Special effects don't make a movie, but when you are making a sequel to something as groundbreaking in the effects department as Tron was in 1982 then you sure as hell better make sure that it looks stunning, and man did they pull it off. I would call them the best special effects ever, but I know I'll get flamed for sure...oh guess what? That's right, fuck you, they ARE the best special effects ever. MWAHAHAHAHA! The action sequences are so fast paced yet easy to follow, with such a fluidity that I have never seen in a film before. The Light Cycle battle about 30 minutes in has to be seen to be believed. I also like the choice to use practical costumes with actual lighting within the suits. It really adds to the sense that this could be a real place evolved from the original the way massive amounts of different light sources play off the environmental objects and characters in real time. And the black suits with glowing lights just look badass, as do the evil sentry guys with opaque black face plates. The vehicles are all designed in such an expertly sleek way as to evoke motion from still form, meaning that sitting still they look to be in motion. Brilliant. The new additions to the classic Light Cycles and tanks really seem to belong to this world, and the Light Runner is awesome. You'll see. Lastly, the score by Daft Punk is so well suited to the mood, emotion, and action of this film. Daft Punk really outdid themselves, as this is not their normal brand of "eclectic electric" fare, but this is a true film score. It combines orchestral pieces with more straightforward beats, yet they maintain a melodic undercurrent throughout, which is rare when it comes to what a lot of electronic artists are producing. This is not a Daft Punk album. This is a film score by Daft Punk, and it plays so well with the scenes that it is used in. When the electronic sounds and the onscreen action meet it is a match made in heaven. I'm not gonna spoil anything about the plot but I will tell you this...if you loved the original Tron then you should love this. If you didn't like the original Tron or didn't "get it" then just go about your business. And you're stupid. 

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Latauro (and my take)

    by BadMrWonka

    couldn't agree with you more about this movie. I think the Tron-colored glasses that everyone has are clouding their judgment. (but I would love to know why your review disappeared and then reappeared...there must be an interesting story, yeah?)<p> as for the people saying it shouldn't need to stand alone, do you realize the original was 28 years ago?! the target audience for a movie like Tron:Legacy is a helluva lot younger than me, and I was 2 when Tron came out. It doesn't necessarily have to stand on its own, but catching the audience up without falling into "boring exposition" territory is one of the trickiest things a sequel has to do, and Tron:Legacy failed on that. it's not fair to movies that have done it so well, to give this one a pass and say, "oh, just go watch the original from 28 years ago before you see this." that is nonsense, not everyone has the opportunity to do that, and not everyone SHOULD be required to do that. <p> this isn't Back to the Future 2...if the original is 28 years back, the situation is a little different. I would say it's on par with people saying, "you didn't get such and such a movie because you didn't read the book." well, the movie shouldn't rely on the book. and a movie marketed to teenagers shouldn't rely on another movie made almost 3 decades ago.<p> and if you don't want to take my word for it, here's Sean Bailey, the producer, in an interview with IGN: "The movie can stand on its own. You don't have to have seen Tron." ouch. feel silly for whining that Latauro or any of us don't "get" the film because we haven't seen the original (or haven't seen it for fucking 20 years or something) <p>so either they make a movie that actually DOES make sense without having seen the original, or they spend the first act playing catch-up with the audience.<p>the problem is, they did both! they made a movie that could have stood more or less on its own, and then spent WAY too much time on back-exposition.<p> you add that to the fact that the plot was so contrived and arbitrary, that they were required to fill in most of the SECOND act with exposition as well, it just felt so goddamn BORING to me. like a computer giving a lecture, but omitting all the engaging bits, and just spewing out the pertinent facts.<p>and before someone tells me I'm just an action fanboy, and I like Bad Boys and blah blah blah, I am NOT requesting that. I just wish there had been more scenes that weren't just ONE CHARACTER telling ANOTHER CHARACTER a few pieces of VITAL INFORMATION THEY NEED TO KNOW, in the most BORING AND UNINSPIRED WAY POSSIBLE.<p> I mean, is it possible this is the first movie where the script was written ALL IN CAPS?<p> Face it, they hired Kosinski because he'd do whatever the producers said, and producers can't always write a great movie (in fact, they almost never can). This was an elegant failure, almost empirically so, since even the reviewers that gave it a pass say that you have to turn your brain mostly off and just enjoy the spectacle. <p> well, as someone whose brain doesn't turn off, I'm sorry I can't enjoy it with the rest of you.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    I'm largely in agreement with this review with two exceptions

    by eveelcapitalist

    First, I thought Olivia Wilde did a decent job with her role. And she was cute. Mostly, she was cute. That biases me somewhat, I admit. Second was this...'Or there's the fact that Kevin Flynn's plan to defeat Clu could well be described as: "Hey, did you see how I got my butt handed to me at the end of IRON MAN? It had something to do with high altitude. Let's try that exact same thing in the exact same way!" "But we're in a computer. Why would altitude even apply?"' No. You can argue it was an Iron Man knockoff, but you would lose that argument. It's a flying sequence, but the comparison ends there. The move showed in the film evoked Japanese Zero tactics in World War II, where they would lure American Hellcats into a steep climb that would eventually cause the Hellcat to stall out giving the Japanese an easy target as it looped over (as an aside, the introduction of the Wildcat and its more powerful engine solved this problem). The sequence in Iron Man involves freezing temperatures at high altitudes. This one involves stalling aircraft in a world that clearly has gravity.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Who the hell is Latauro???

    by ratpack223

    The review is decent. Let him stay...

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST

    why would flynn be the same as he was in 82?

    by john

    seems to me that the character of flynn is currently modeled after larry ellison....which makes sense, and therefore, he would be talking in a zen like fashion people do grow up and change...even if trapped in a computerized world for 20 years it is too bad that the overall storyline is weak, and that they waste having cillian murphy....who wouldve been a great villian

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Latauro...you're an idiot!

    by buddha747

    1. This film was made for those who loved the original as a kid...this is obviously not you. 2. Bridges was Kevin Flynn way before he was The Dude, so what you saw on screen was Flynn. I am sure you will have the same feeling when you go to see True Grit!!!! 3. The new one is paced just about the same as the original, actually it is quite a bit better. 4. Why wouldn't our generation want to see a few references to other Sci-Fi movies we love? 5. Someone seems to have a few "Star Wars" issues if you ask me...OBSESS MUCH!!!! (wait that was a line from Ace Ventura, now you are going to hate my comment...CRAP!) 6. IT'S JUST A MOVIE!!!! Why does every movie reveiwed by some one like you have to be "Citizen Kane, sometimes they are made just to be enjoyed, so relax, cause you are "You're messing with my zen thing man!"

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    I'm kinda glad most critics are slating it...

    by Gabba-UK

    Because being old enough to remember seeing the first one means remembering how the critics slated the first one. It was so bad that nearly three decades later Disney have pumped $200 million into it's sequel. Critics are there to offer an opinion, nothing more. And their often as wrong as they are right. I will make my own judgements thank you.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    buddha747

    by BadMrWonka

    "This film was made for those who loved the original as a kid."<p> Please see my quote from the producer above which clearly contradicts this. They mean for it to be able to stand completely on its own. if it only works for fanboys of the original, which came out 28 years ago, it's not a success at what they were trying to do.<p>not that it matters much, it's Disney, they can package any movie into a $40mil opening weekend. it's after that where it gets tricky. and since this thing cost like $200 million or some nonsense (none of which appears to have gone to a decent screenwriter), getting it's money back is going to be a tough sell. it'll probably happen though, but maybe not domestically.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    gabba-uk

    by BadMrWonka

    that's all well and good, but...you know...why are you on a website that reviews movies, clicking on movie reviews, reading them, and then commenting indignantly? if you don't really believe in the process, that seems like a bit of a waste of time, doesn't it?

  • It was when he looked into the eyes of Flynn and he called him out by name that Tron remembered who he was and what he fought for. Yes it could have been spelled out for everyone a little better, but its not as much of non existent event as you make it out to be.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    How is CLU going to take over the world...UMM like a Virus??

    by Swordfleece

    What are people moaning there's no plot How is CLU going to take over the world? Like the MCP manipulate other programs and act like a virus fucking morons Wasn't he de-rezzed in the original?

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Agree with everything except..

    by UltraTron

    Bridges is talking like a guy from the 80s because he missed the last few decades. Radical man

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    I gotta admit

    by TiPPiDa

    I loved it. Maybe it was because I saw it in IMAX 3D with a bunch of other geeked out nerdlingers, and got swept away by the spectacle of it. It's not without it's flaws but I've yet to see a film that doesn't have them, and even the gripes I had with it were minor... Silly little things my friends and I were waxing about like "omg the jukebox at flynns was playing Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics, that wasn't released until 83, and the arcade had had its doors shut since Flynn went to the grid in 82.. Who changed the record!?!?!" I mean really wgaf!! I loved it for what it was.. Cinematic junk food. It was fucking great fun. And I'm not saying we need to lower our standards to enjoy it, I'm simply saying that you can't go into a film called "Tron" and expect "The Godfather".

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it

    by jimmy_009

    Look, did the first movie have a great story or leave you feeling warm and fuzzy for the characters? No. The thing critics are griping about in this one is the same thing they griped about in the original. Nothing's changed. You go for the experience, and I got my money's worth. Fuck the critics.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Spot fucking on review Latauro...

    by vettebro

    Ducati, Baby! Ducati!!!

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Review Nailed it!

    by Ratphink

    Saw the original in 82 and really looked forward to this, but had exactly the same reaction. Friends and I discussed virtually the same points at lunch afterwards. Especially, the Star Wars moments. Thought the entire thing was a complete snoozefest. Saw it in 3D and in IMax and it added nothing extra for me. Only hearing the amazing soundtrack in THX was worth it. Tron's change in the last 15mins of the film baffled me too, a glimpse of Flynn in SloMo and hearing his voice BAM. Would have been nice to see why and how he was changed in the first place.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Avoided this review until after seeing the film. Latauro is spot-on

    by The_Warrior_Poet

    I have a confession to make: I'm weak willed. Not about everything, just about film criticism. See, if someone writes a negative review, even if the film is good, the negative words of the review echo through my mind as I watch the film. It affects my enjoyment of the movie. So I've learned not to do that. But now that I've seen Tron Legacy, I could have written this review. I agree entirely with all his points. Emotionally, the film *felt* like Iron Man 2. It delivered the promised visual element, but little else. Everything was present, but the whole was somehow LESS than the sum of it's parts. Zach Snyder, please don't make a beautifully shot Superman movie with a vibrant red & blue suit, the perfect "shirt rip" scene in a phonebooth, Superman punching guys and flying around, all wrapped around an uncompelling story.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Latauro, spot on

    by Coldsnap

    Folks, I rarely post here. Living in Vancouver, I see my share of local haunts on both big/small screen. Watching Sam boot it around Hollywood North when I've just battled my way through that area on the way to the IMAX to drain $18 for this film jarred me out of the magic from the jump. At some point, Hollywood needs to QA these films with 'us'. With kids being able to bring Indiana Jones back to life in their back yard, you'd think a studio would do a 'dry run' movie just to make sure the magic is in there...and that they'd hire a jury of 36 of us mover/shakers to watch them. Watching D-list actors stage play out the same dialog I just watched would have quickly shown the same head scratching I saw from the audience around me. Some tech savvy group in front of my was openly chuckling at the wrong moments in this film. I'm certain a test run would have highlighted the suck. The visuals WOULD have worked had the correct dialog/story been inside. The promise of the trailers gave me chills, but the walk from the theater just left me feeling cold. I feel like the writers just slept with my girlfriend and posted pictures of it on facebook for the world to see.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Tron's redemption

    by Strikerrjones

    happened because he lost his discs. He was originally infected because he grabbed one of the orange programs' discs, and when he lost it he was able to return to himself.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    I hate to be the one person to defend this movie...

    by wacko3205

    I hate to be the one person to defend this movie...but it wasn't nearly as bad as the "reviewer" here made it out to be. First & foremost...all the points that you couldn't understand...were actually quite understandable had you either A:) payed attention or B:) seen this movie without your sidekick Mary Jane.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    lamest movie

    by giant_dickerson

    ever

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    for someone to sit through Tron Legacy and

    by lostboytexas

    not like it, they must be fucking dead inside.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    What the guy above said.

    by LordEnigma

    WORD.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah like I give a fuck what this guy thinks.

    by LordEnigma

    Seriously, he's another angry white chubber that has shit taste, probably enjoys the Paranormal Activity films as if they were high art, and he wants people to care about his lame white chubber opinions? Get the fuck out of here, chubber.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST

    this thread is back?

    by Haldier Rydberg

    I vainly hoped that someone had had the good sense to pull down an article that is based in opinion alone. One in which the Author himself admits he didn't pay attention to the very movie he is "reviewing". But I guess we have gone past an era where people like Siskel or Ebert used accepted formats to explain why a movie was substandard, not just their own angry opinion. But that is what the Internet has done. It has given every person who has seen a couple videos and access to some kind of computer the compelling need to regale us with their opinion as though it is something that we NEED to value without ever really telling us WHY.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Brillant review

    by 13yearsofage

    Wish there was a couple of new grid games. Was hoping to see Disc throwing battles.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    LoL @ the blind Tron Legacy supporters.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    What cuntish drama queens you guys are. Everytime theres a negative review or someone says they hated it it's never a valid opinion for some strange reason. "it wasn't nearly as bad as the "reviewer" here made it out to be." Would you still be calling him a "reviewer" in lame quotes if he liked the movie? Nope. Hypocrite. "if you don't like this movie you are dead inside" ^^ LMAO....okay whatever the fuck that means. Apparently not liking the same movie as another indivducal somehow indicates you have no soul, or something of that nature? Retards.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by lostboytexas

    the review is fucking retarded. How anyone can not have fun watching Tron Legacy is beyond me. And to walk out and 'thoroughly hate it' is more a sign of the individual than the movie. Latauro should hang out with you and you can both have a fucking cunt party. that will make you happy.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    wah wah wah - people don't like tron legacy

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lostboytexass get over it bitch. If you like the movie or love it what difference does it make to you if others don't like it or hate or for their own reasons?????????? Just enjoy the flick and let others feel their own way. "to walk out and 'thoroughly hate it' is more a sign of the individual than the movie" What kind of reasoning is this? it's beyond childish to actually think someone's opinion on any movie, let alone Tron legacy has anything to do with them personally. Maybe you think Latauro and everyone else who didn't like the movie are witches? Jesus, have you NEVER liked a movie that others panned or called shitty? it's like it's beyond your grasp that folks can dislike Tron legacy. LoL....my only hope is you are a troll.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    judging by your name

    by lostboytexas

    there must be some sort of star wars/tron geek fight that I didnt know about. lets judge your level of geekness. How many star wars 'action figures' can you jam down your piss pipe before you die? Remember, there are no wrong answers. Just dumb ones.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    lol okay lets try this from a different angle?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    under what circumstances would you accept a negative review and what reasons would be valid for not liking the new tron movie? or is it just not valid to dislike the movie at all for anyone?

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    figures you are STUMPED

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lol and for the record since when did a user name equate some idiotic obsession? Ooooh I get it - since you ran out of dumb shit to say and felt the need to "get me" because you are likely crying like a bitch right now behind your screen you felt the need to trot out a tired "star wars geek joke" as your last hope. Your name is lostboy - should I assume you spend your nights shoving vampire Corey Haim toys up your ass? Again I'll ask - under what circumstances would you (or any tron legacy lover) accept a negative review and what reasons would be valid for not liking the new tron movie? or is it just not valid to dislike the movie at all for anyone?

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    just go back to the jedi council forums

    by lostboytexas

    and leave sci-fi to the professionals

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    wow

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    you sure told me. Also your inability to come up with a simple answer (or even something close to an answer) tells me you are just a stupid fucking cunt, spinning your wheels. Go enjoy your shitty Tron movie you dumb scumbag. Try not to cry yourself asleep at night knowing 95% of the planet thinks your favorite movie is ass.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    also, Captain Obvious just told me

    by lostboytexas

    that you are Latauro aka Lee Zachariah aka cumbums. the only good things that ever came out of Australia were Zoe Bell and Once Were Warriors.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    yup

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I didn't read the whole TB but I at least recognize Latauro's name. I assume the people you mentioned all disliked Tron, and thus we are are ALL the same person. Excellent deduction Sherlock Shitforbrains. It certainly beats coming up with a simple answer as to a valid acceptable reason for not liking Tron Legacy. This has been my argument with you thus far.... me - So many people dislike Tron Legacy, the defenders need to let it go and just enjoy the movie. you - No! if people don't like it it's because of who they are or something weird about them personally. me - you are a retard you - (insert predictable star wars geek joke) me - (attempting a rational convo) ok give me a valid reason you would accept for folks to NOT like the movie. you - (insert predictable star wars geek joke) me - (trying again) - give me a valid reason you would accept for folks to NOT like the movie. you - I GOT IT! YOU ARE LATUARO AND EVERYBODY WHO HATES TRON!

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    did you like black swan?

    by lostboytexas

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I did not see Black Swan.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Now you answer this - do you think its possible for people to not like Tron legacy and actually have a good/justifibale reason not to like it? simple question

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    simple answer

    by lostboytexas

    <page intentionally left blank>

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Seriously you can't come up with anything?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lol

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    you know what movie I hate?

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lost boys

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    never seen it

    by lostboytexas

    i hear its awesome though

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    well

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    anything is better than tron legacy

  • Dec. 21, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Latauro

    by Ringwearer9

    After Harry's "I'm a Tron Geek" refusal to judge the movie one way or the other, and Massawyrm's promise to give it a pretentious intellectual blow job later, your review was a breath of fresh air. I emailed you about your review before I had seen the movie, complaining that the "Dude" performance you were complaining about was just a call-back to the original Flynn. But I was wrong, and you were right ... TRON LEGACY's Flynn is a dopey hippy caricature, unlike the cocky bastard of the original. I am someone who actually didn't think much of the original TRON, which I'd seen on VHS a long time ago, but I managed to view it on DVD in the month before LEGACY's release, and actually dug it quite a bit, enough to watch it several times. So I'm not one of those people who dislikes TRON LEGACY because I disliked the original TRON. I disliked TRON LEGACY because it was horrible, it had poorly used music (compared to the original) worse acting (except for Olivia Wilde's Quorra) and horrible, horrible dialogue. Also, coming off of seeing TRON several times, the plot was uncreatively a retread of key moments in the original, as if the hack writers were going through a checklist of Tronny plot points they needed to get in there. Normally I'm offended when writers stuff Holocausty elements into a story, but the "genocide" of the ISOs was handled to emotionlessly and boringly that it barely occurred to me to be annoyed. The original TRON managed to successfully echo the horror of being a denizen of a dictatorial state, with the deaths of CLU, the accounting program, RAM, being really felt, because they'd been given real personalities. Not so in TRON LEGACY, where Olivia Wilde was the only one with ANY personality, and Michael Sheens pointlessly Glam idiot character just induced wtf head shaking rather than humor. (I can take Chris Tucker's Ruby Rhod, and Jim Carry's Riddler, with good humor, but this guy just left me flat). So I was a lover of TRON, not a hater. I loved the comic-con teaster trailer ("It's only a game!" "Not anymore.") and Official Trailer #2 (the one that starts with Flynn talking to his son and ends with the appearance of the Light Jet), so I really really wanted to like this. I read a negative review that claimed the writing was horrible, but I didn't believe it. I finally, after seeing the movie, went to IMDB to find an explanation for what I had seen. My usual way of avoiding bad movies is to check out the writers, and if they've been responsible for something horrible, I know that being a bad writer rarely changes onces you are an adult, and who did I find as the main writers? Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, producer/writers for the LOST tv series, and for FELICITY. Had I seen that before, I would have known to expect dead, place-holder, non-sequitor style dialogue and people running off half cocked and needing rescue as motivating factors in the plot. I have sworn to boycott anything by anyone who had anything to do with LOST's seasons beyond season 3, that giant con-job by morons incapable of anything BUT a con job, because they didn't have an actual story to tell other than by promising a real story just over the horizon, but never now. I don't know why I'm so angry about this. Maybe because it's been such a shitty year for movies (Inception was shit ... unnecessarily complicated, but shit ... had the same tired Exposition as Dialogue problem) but I was hoping for something decent. All they had to do was put a decent coherent story to the pretty light show, and I would have been so happy. But they didn't even do the light show decently, (or my theater's bulb was too dim) and the Daft Punk music that was used so well in the teaser trailer and official trailer #2 seemed to blare in at inappropriate points that didn't seem to underline any real emotional beats. It failed to even underline the emotion of "Gosh, how cool it is to be riding the grid" (something that the score of the original TRON succceeded at admirably). I guess I just wanted to be surprised by a film, enchanted by a film, to be allowed to willingly suspend disbelief in a film.. I managed to do it (surprisingly) with the original TRON, but this film didn't even meet me half way. FUCK you "lovers" of TRON. FUCK Harry being a "Tron Geek for Life" FUCK Massawyrm's phony dissection-to-come that will reveal that it's ACTUALLY a deep meditation about Digital whaterver-the-fuck. It's a bad movie.

  • Dec. 21, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I wanted to Like it

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    But it really fell thru during the 2nd act. Visually stunning, especially in IMAX, but it didn't deliver a solid movie. <br><br> Rancor, LBT is pretty much negative about anything and will only egg you on. Nothing constructive will ever be discussed with him (or her) on here. <br><br> The Lost reference is to the TV show, which he used to love and post in to piss people off.

  • Dec. 21, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    speaking of which

    by lostboytexas

    the Lost numbers are supposed to be hidden in Tron: Legacy somewhere. why even bother?

  • Dec. 21, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Kids and I liked it, wasn't as bad as this review makes it

    by prince_fufu

    He has some points, but generally he/she? is making mountains out of mole hills.

  • Dec. 21, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    LBT is pretty much negative about anything...

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "LBT is pretty much negative about anything and will only egg you on." Yeah I had that feeling, even when I tried to chill for a bit and hold a normal conversation all I got was a collection of weak insults and blank posts of him blatantly ignoring a simple question. I figured he was dumbfounded when actually asked to discuss something rationally as opposed to just trading useless insults back and forth.

  • Dec. 22, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    I have to disagree big-time

    by jonsnow

    The movie was full of life and backstory. The fact that it was not fully explained made the whole thing seem bigger than life and mysterious, kinda like the fist Star Wars. A fresh, huge universe just waiting to be explored. The cg face could have used a better spec map for skin pores, but overall it did the job. Most of all it was fun to watch, especially if you like Sci-Fi stuff...

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