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Massawyrm Enjoys TRON: LEGACY



Hola all.  Massawyrm here.

Normally I don’t write counterpoint reviews, preferring instead to focus strictly on my personal reactions and thoughts independent of other’s opinions. But today I make an exception as I write the first of two pieces on what is already quite a divisive film. If there is one criticism that haunts TRON: LEGACY in the whole of its negative reviews, it is the overall, incredibly generic criticism that the story is too simple. Like AVATAR before it, critics have flogged near to death the idea that there isn’t really a lot going on in the film. And from a story structure standpoint, they are not incorrect. But calling the film simple overall means they are overlooking an awful lot.

There is a basic axiom of storytelling that states that the higher the concept of your story, the simpler the elements of your story need to be. As complexity approaches infinity, the audience capable of wrapping their mind around it approaches zero, thus you need to do something to meet them halfway, especially when you are looking to expose as broad an audience as possible to some fairly high minded concepts. If your story is about a simple family living in modern suburbia, the complexity of the relationships, the oddness of the characters and the depth of the story all need to be dense enough to carry along such an ordinary situation. And if your story is about a world of ones and zeroes, presenting physical representations of abstract concepts, while wrestling with an allegory for one of the greatest ethical social quandaries of the modern era – and you want to sell it to kids – then, yeah, your film needs to be a little lighter on story.

TRON: LEGACY is an allegory for the dawn of the digital age. Now, be careful how you read that last sentence; it isn’t some lofty, overinflated pomp rhetoric that is supposed to sound cool while actually saying little. I mean it quite literally. This film is an argument about the nature of information and whether or not it should be free, beginning first as a blunt, aggressive, seemingly reckless condoning of digital anarchy before slipping into metaphor and becoming a tale about the naivety of our digital infancy. Make no mistake; there is a very definite through line here about digital freedom and almost every element of the film supports it. That said, as this discussion isn’t as in your face as the visuals, action and music, it can be overlooked and pronounced hollow by those wanting something more overtly complex.

This isn’t Vonnegut; it isn’t Huxley or Ellison or Dick either. It is a Disney movie, and thus it isn’t tangled in knots of interconnected plotlines. The film has a very simple, easy to understand narrative structure built upon the all too familiar abandonment issues story in which a kid seeks out the father that left him 20 years before. Like Avatar before it, the hero finds a world entirely unlike his own and gets swept up in events much larger than himself. And if that’s all you look at, then that’s all you’re going to get out of it. I understand the guys who were bored by this – though I’m entirely unsure what they were expecting. This looks and feels every bit like mainstream science fiction softened for the masses, but layered over something deeper and much more subtle.

As a film, I had quite a bit of fun with it. The visuals  (as pretty much everyone has said) are jaw dropping - a surreal, neon, Technicolor wonderland drenched in a rainbow of epilepsy inducing colors. The DAFT PUNK score is a truly inspired soundscape that drives the film from frame one. And the action set pieces are a thing to behold. I keep reading reviews calling the dialog clunky or wooden, but it sounds exactly like people speaking in simple terms about very abstract things. These are, after all, programs existing in a purely imagined space, trying to relate their interactions on a somewhat human level; most of them are *supposed* to sound stiff and forced.

Admittedly, my reaction walking out of the theater was that the film was good, but not great. It wasn’t until the movie began to soak in and I began to wrap my mind around what it was saying that I really started to love it. I get that many folks aren’t going to want to take the time to pick it apart and see what TRON: LEGACY is doing; if you are expecting a tentpole film, odds are you aren’t exactly watching with a mind to dissect it. And in the wake of films like AVATAR, MOON, DISTRICT 9, INCEPTION and STAR TREK, this does seem, at first glance, to be rather simple.

But that by no means is to say that it is. The further I get away from it, the more I like it. I can’t wait to see it again this weekend in order to further dissect it before returning here next week for my second piece on it – a spoiler filled dissection into what I think this whole thing is all about, that I hope will make for some interesting Christmas week reading. Hope you’ll join me back here then. Until then, see it, but watch it with the mindset that it actually has something to say and you might end up getting a whole lot more out of it.


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  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Anybody out there??

    by Reckoner

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I know Daft Punk from The Saint soundtrack

    by Reckoner

    They had a kick-a*s thumping techno song on that album.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    agreed, and thank you

    by Borabora

    I am more than a little upset by the reaction this film is having on it's own people. I loved it, and can't understand most of the criticism. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you can't force people to like what they don't...I guess I am just taken back by how many felt that way. I am glad there are others like me out there that enjoyed the film.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    My expectations aren't that high...

    by spyres I expect I'll have some fun with this film. Not every film needs to be some life changing event.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Disney believes in freedom of Informaton

    by cookylamoo

    As long as they don't hold the copyright on it.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by Namssorg

    Uh oh. TRON : Legacy seems 'rather simple' in the wake of AVATAR? Did Avatar even leave any room for complexity, or thought? I hope the only reason Avatar was grouped with those other films was because it's a recent sci-fi. That movie beat me over the head with simplicity.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by Borabora

    That's the other thing I don't get...there is a brand name motorcycle in the movie, and god forbid they show the I think next time they should just have it be branded "motobike"...cause that would really ground it in reality. Talk about picking it apart. Instead of Coors, let have him drink a white can that says Beer, cause that will make it better. UGH.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Reckoner - good call

    by Cletus Van Damme

    That was a decent soundtrack. Some Sneaker Pimps and Duran Duran on there too if I recall.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Daft Punk = Good movie?

    by joshua

    I can't believe how many passes this movie is getting on Rotten Tomatoes becasue of Daft Punk's score. Seriously, just like Massayrm's apologist review are condemning all the basic elements of filmaking, but OH, THE SCORE... thumbs up. Sorry, I don't buy movie tickets for the score alone. Shit, buying the music on iTunes is cheaper than the $20 Imax ticket. (You can buy Daft Punks last album too for that price.) But seriously, Im trying to think of a movie, ever, that got good reviews based on the score. I'll even venture to say the score isnt THAT great. It sounds more like a poor man's Hans Zimmer most of the time. Wendy/Walter Carlos' score (not sure where he/she was on the sex chart back then) was way more progressive and strong. As for the "simple story" that Massawyrm defends, likening Legacy to Avatar.... the difference is Avatar was never boring as dogshit. After the lightcylcle battle, nothing happens in Legacy for 45 minutes other than crushingly boring expositiion. Oh, wait, get on the solar sailer, so we can talk some more!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    TRON -- Sure. THE TEMPEST? Absolutely!

    by keylimepirate

    I'm there. TRON: LEGACY is next on my list. For an adventurous take on personal delusion of grandeur, THE TEMPEST is definitely for you. A true Digital Cave Painting.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    black dynamite is a flawless movie

    by UltraTron

    Gets better everytime you see it and is the most quotable thing since big lewbowski

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Tron jumped the Shark when....

    by maceodkat

    they made Quorra a real flesh and blood construct in the "real" world. if you're a world changing program ready to save the world then it should be in a flash drive not tight black leather.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I'm a hard man to please

    by ChickenStu

    I hated Avatar, I hated The A-Team, and I hated The Expendables. And I thought I'd hate this. But I actually surprised myself when I didn't. I actually kinda dug it! Yeah, it's hardly the new "Empire Strikes Back" of sci-fi sequels... but all the haters out there seem to be nitpicking on pointless little details... and not enjoying the ride. And that's what this movie is ladies and gents, a ride. Just like the first one was a ride. All in all, I think it was pretty good movie, and a breath of fresh air.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    A ride?

    by joshua

    Chickenstu, how many rides put people to sleep? The movie is the opposite of a ride, it so painfully boring, I couldn't belive it. After the grid wars, there is no action, just lame, stilted dialog. It makies the original Tron look like Terminator 2. And thats not being a "hater", that's someone who paid $20 for an IMAX ticket who wanted more godamaned entertainment that this 200 million dollar fiasco should have provided.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Going to 1:00 IMAX 3D.

    by UltraTron

    Expecting Flynn's son to splat and explode Real Genius dirt on the lense style when that dusty digitizer ray fires up. I will be furious if the movie doesn't show this thing I expect. That laser is her life's work and the most advanced technology ever devised. No doubt the MCP would have tried to use it for taking over the world.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I call Bullshit on you Massawyrm

    by MrBlonde47

    So, your point is that Tron is a complex movie because it's 'thru-line' debate is the freedom of digital information? This is from Disney...the company that locks up it's treasured cartoons in a 'vault' so they can charge higher prices during holiday seasons and sues a day care center because there were paintings on Mickey and Donald on the wall? Please rethink your statement that DISNEY supports free anything...

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by Borabora

    my feelings exactly

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Robots, Ahoy!

    by IggyPopRocks

    Did anyone check out the new shirt on TeeFury today? Tons and tons of geekery goodness!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    The one reviewer that matters

    by WISEBLOOD always, right on the money. Can't wait to see your next article.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I Haven't Seen This Thing

    by Sgt.Steiner

    But a score by Daft Punk does make it, in my mind, more interesting than Avatar, which is still boring as a motherfucker.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    RE: joshua

    by MakNeil

    While I haven't seen Tron: Legacy yet (I plant to do so tomorrow) I disagree when you said Avatar wasn't (at times) boring. There were moments of that film that were so slow that I fell asleep (particularly during the beginning, when Sam Worthington's character was so amazed with his avatar and Pandora's assorted flora and fauna, that he felt no other choice that to have us join it). Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Flying into the computer...

    by joshua

    Oh wait, I totally forgot to mention that part of the "ride" of the original Tron was when Flynn gets zapped into the computer, and the audiences sweeps throught the etherial realm of the grid. It was such a "ride" that Disney theme park incorporated the footage into it's attractions. Well, guess what? The transition to the computer world is a CUT. that's it. No journey. No ride. No wonder. A jump cut as if to fool the audience that Sam dosen't realize what happened, so there's pay off for when he goes outside the arcade and the world is now 3D. What a missed opportunity, and its symptomatic of the movie, denying the audience's enjoyment in a quest for "art" ot "street cred", who knows, but definitly concepts Legacy does not achieve. In any way.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    WAIT: Somebody finally Enjoyed Tron Legacy??

    by D o o d

    I haven't seen it yet, but I was becoming very depressed by the sheer number of negative reviews for TL. It really was a unanimous sweep of bad reviews. So do I believe this one positive or the many many plethora of negatives..?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Great writing as usual

    by RZA

  • I was on the fence, considering instead a night with a blind-buy blu-ray (WISE GUYS) to watch in the comfort of home. (Cheap concessions, you know.) It only makes sense, as I could/would pick up TRON: LEGACY as a blind-buy in the new year. <p>But this does get me excited again, as I've been looking forward to it very much. <p>Twist my arm, Massawyrm. :-)

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Massa, I usually agree with you, and I hope you are right

    by prince_fufu

    And for all those Disney haters, it could be that the writers slipped this through without the top brass catching on to the message. Don't blame the child for the sins of the father...

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    is nonstop action all you dipshits look for in a movie?

    by spidercoz

    no wonder Michael Bay keeps getting work god forbid somebody actually throw in a concept or two, something thought provoking or even just interesting beyond "Whoa, hehe cool" shut the fuck up, Beavis

  • I actually don't believe TRON is actually an argument FOR the freedom of information...but more on that next week.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Disney Haters?

    by joshua

    I don't know who they may be, but Tangled is infintely more entertaining than Tron: Legacy. The trailers were awful, but I would tell anyone to spend thier money on that excellent, funny piece of enetertainment before paying to see the monotonous bore of T:L.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Was there a little "limit theory" in there?

    by lprothro

    Ha! First time I've ever seen calculus in a movie review!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Can we edit, yet? (I meant "THE OTHER GUYS" blu-ray)

    by JDanielP

    Maybe I'll make it a double feature, with a blu-ray blind-buy.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Did you see it yet spidercoz?

    by joshua

    I don't need non-stop explosions. Tron Legacy is as tedious as Transformers. Endless explosions with no meaning can be just as boring as relentless exposition. I assume you haven't seen the movie yet, but think the Matrix vs. the Matrix sequels. In The Matrix, The best ideas were shown to you. The highest concepts were intruging. In "reloaded", you got charachters talking about big, haughty ideas that were never realized, and frankly, not as interesting as those in pt1. I'm sorry, but it's crazy to have to defend a $200mil for being boring. The Social Netowork didnt have a single explosion in it and was massivly more entertaining than this movie. WHy? Becasue when charachters spoke to each other, there were stakes, not just information being exchanged for the audience. If Flynn, Quarra and Sam had a single interesting thing to say on the solar sailer, it wouldnt be boring. But guess what? The best descirption Sam can use for a sunrise is "warm, radiant"? He could be describing a fucking kersine heater, not the most majestic sight that a human can see.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I'll see it this weekend and judge for myself

    by prince_fufu

    I bet the kids will like it though. I doubt they will be looking for an overly complex plot. As for Tangled, joshua, I didn't see it but the wife and kids gave it a strong, Meh.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Are you inferring that ABRAMS TREK had depth, Massy?

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Surely you jest.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by joshua

    If the wife and kids gave Tangled a "meh", boy oh boy, I hope you are taking them to a nice dinner after Tron. They may not want a complex plot, but they probably don't want a handful of cinematic vallium either. In the end, it's all about how much good will the disc wars and lightcycles buys you. If you enjoy them so much, that nothing nearly as cool happens for 90min afterwards, but you still enjoy the movie, more power to ya. Just REALLY savor that stuff, cos thats as good as it gets.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Well dang.

    by prince_fufu

    So are you saying that all the movie action takes place in the beginning of the movie and then nothing else happens after that (action-wise)? I don't want spoilers, but I would like to know if it is ok to take a 6 year old to see it. Is it pg or pg-13?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I'm always suspicious of adult audience members who are bored with a movie...

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Especially when others are riveted.

  • Lame, dopey, overwrought, cringe-inducing horseshit. Even prequel apologists can't deny this flick's shortcomings.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    P.S. I had forgotten how ugly Willow was.

    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    hey the film got another good review!

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    yey for the tron fans who really, REALLY want the world to like their movie!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    "There is a basic axiom of storytelling that states

    by SkinJob69

    the higher the concept of your story, the simpler the elements of your story need to be." Inception, Massa? High concept, very complex plot. The exception that proves your axiom?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Finally someone who gets it

    by OandA

    Finally someone who gets it

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by OandA

    this has nothing to do with disney's stance. this has to do with the plot of the movie. There is a difference.

  • I've been waiting YEARS for someone here to write that. Thank you Mass. And cheers.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by brightgeist

    as usual, great review, Massa! and to the people with the really weird Disney arguments: have you seen any of the Disney/Pixar movies at all? most of them have pretty much anti-establishment messages all over them. so i think it's a little narrow-minded to say that a movie like TRON: LEGACY can't have a message of information freedom in it because it comes from a company that on the other hand is what every large company is: profit-oriented and greedy. of course it is, that's in the nature of the game. but it doesn't mean that the artists working for that company can't get their messages of freedom into the story. hell, i'd even go so far to say that most of the business people working at a big company like Disney personally support information freedom, but in practice are forced to go against their personal views in order to protect their jobs. they're all slaves of the system. sure, many of them are so hopelessly enslaved that they have begun to believe in what they're doing, they're self-appointed guardians of the system. but don't let any of that fool you into thinking that a greedy company like Disney can't put out some pretty critical-minded stuff. after all, they must also realize that that's what many people want to see today. so basically the anti-capitalist product becomes what sells best, and that's when the beast begins to eat itself :)

  • instead of Neil-Cumpston-style, kick-ass reviews is really bumming me out, Massa. I'll see the movie, but I know it's likely to fall short of my initial, high expetations. Sad.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by joshua

    The movie is very safe for kids. Very PG. And the kids may love it. We all loved the original when we were kids, so perhaps the cool look and the 3D (which i so understated, its almost non-existant) will be enough for the kids today. I guess I am just shocked that instead of learning from the mistakes of the original, they just repeated them. (and yes, I shit you not, all the real action is in the first reel (if you dont count the star wars rip-off tie fighter scene near the end))

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm is DEAD wrong about TRON

    by JoshuaRowley

    Plot holes aside (which is difficult for me) Tron Legacy was a mess. From the moment the director chose to cut to a SUPER close up of Sam's dog's face, I knew Joe Kosinski didn't have a clue how to cut this film. As my own personal prologue was to purchase the soundtrack and listen to it about 100 times. However, Joe, can I call him Joe, destroys all the memories I had of a once growing anticipation to see a film. The pacing is so terribly off, not one scene in the movie flows. Joe's choice to not create some rich sound that should have accompanied Tron's digital world and instead put Daft Punk's soundtrack on a loop should be reason enough to ever hire this man again. The songs were out of place with the dialogue and also too loud at some key dramatic points. Joe, even chose to replay the same track from the final fight scene again in it's entirety right when the song ends. His laziness to and inability to be a more inventive film maker ruined one of the most brilliant soundtracks in recent memory. I know this is just supposed to be a comment not a review so I'll cut it short and leave you with Massawyrm's oversight of the horrendous lazy ass flash back scenes that utilized some terrible after effect to make it look more 'digital' were offensive to both an audience member and the several mediocre film students I talked to after my viewing. I walked out of the cathedral that is the Arclight on a cold morning in Hollywood at 2:35 am with my 3D glasses in hand and a terrible feeling in heart. This man was given a gift of an iconic franchise, a pitch perfect soundtrack and the mind to envision a beautiful world that rivals Pandora. If only he had the wits to make a movie, Joe Kosinski's name would be whispered throughout Tomorrow Land at Disney World forever. Oh well, at least we can thank South Park for giving us a better modern rendition of Tron.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I'm scared to watch this

    by ufoclub1977

    Because putting a dynamic real world action aesthetic (camera angles, cutting, motions, colors) looks so mundane (makes it look like Sharkboy vs Lavagirl or Tron on Ice) and throws away what was so good and surreal about the original. A GREAT story would salvage that. But the reports of ballooned enthusiasm like the recent Wired article are disheartening. That article actually completely invalidates itself with one sentence in which it says the look of the original movie was "weird". = Complete failing to understand what was cool about the original.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Is Tron actually in this movie?

    by jimbojones123

    Cause he was a total dick in the first one.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    If I want to see a bunch of flashy neon

    by kafka07

    then I'll just watch Schumacher's Batman & Robin on youtube. And I'd rather stab my eyes than do that.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Triple Bullshit on My Double dog Dare...WTF?!?!

    by MrBlonde47

    If I misunderstood...then my apologies. If the message is to keep info all trapped and secluded, then it makes perfect sense. Also, if this is the real Massawrym...what's up? Good to see that you read the talk backs.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    On the contrary skinjob69

    by Massawyrm 1

    INCEPTION is exactly what I'm talking about. The plot of Inception is wafer thin (a team of dream thieves need to implant an idea in a subject before the protagonists issues get the best of them.) The characters are wafer thin, with only Cobb having anything beyond a single dimension. And Nolan restrains himself from going crazy with mindbending dream logic that would be hard to maintain while allowing the audience to remain unconfused. All of this is forgivable because the ideas at play require constant explanation and occupy your thoughts while very simple car chases and gunfights take place, making the story feel much bigger and more complicated. Imagine trying to cram all the information from INCEPTION into a film filled with the mulitple plotlines, twists and turns of something like SNATCH combined with the dream logic of NAKED LUNCH and you end up with something that would make a great novel, but would baffle the shit out of most anyone who tried to watch it.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    Simple is sometimes the best.

    by Yourbigpalal83

    i think the problem is people want these complex thought provoking sci fi film, and guess what, those are the films that almost never work. Why? Because its all idea and no visual, and the plot gets so convoluted that you loose track of the story. Take 2 of the greatest sci fi films in the past 30 years. Terminator 2 and The Empire Strikes Back. Both plots are real simple. Empire, the rebels are hiding out, the empire is chasing them, Luke trains more, learns the truth about who his father is. Terminator 2 is, reprogramed terminator sent back to protect future savor from evil robot, learns what it means to be human in the process. Not super complex thoughts and ideas. Large ones, yes, deep resinating emotional ones, sure, but not complex and deep! nor do they have to be. Story should connect on a emotional level, and sometimes the emotions need to be simple to be effective. Love is love, loss is loss, dont need a vast complex novel like structure to explane why.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by Dharma4

    Seriously, man, thank God. This isn't Inception, this isn't some overly complicated, pretentious film. It is what it is: a wild riot of a film. It has a heart pounding script and amazing visuals with a story that would satisfy any reader of Thrilling Wonder Stories. Great film. Loved it. Kosinski has amazing talent.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by Dharma4

    A heart-pounding score. Correction. Daft Punk are gods. Robotic gods.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Unmistakeble massa

    by Phategod2

    Reminds me of your Happy Feet review there was some entertainment.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    But Tron, as opposed to Inception...

    by Executor

    ...makes absolutely no sense. Not to stir a movie vs. movie debate, but Inception's world and rules and goals remained crystal clear throughout the movie. Every step of the way, we knew the risks, we felt the danger, we knew what was at stake. I doubt anyone, even the screenwriters, can explain what CLU wanted to do (invade Earth? With his small little army?) or what the importance of Quorra and her people are. Or even the importance of getting Flynn's disc. CLU loose in our world with all of Flynn's knowledge would be as dangerous as...well, Flynn would be in our world. (That is, not very.) The problem with Tron is that EVERYTHING is too abstract, there is no goal, nothing at stake beyond father-son reunion, no defined risks or dangers. Or, in screenwriting terms...there is no plot.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Inception vs Tron

    by joshua

    Rules indeed. Tron just makes them up as it goes. "you get ONE identity disc", except if you are Darth Mau... I mean Rinzler. Oh wait, climactic momnent of the movie...Quarra pulls a grappling hook out her asshole. If the grid was a dream, then it would make sense. But it's not. If Quarra could just dream up the tool she wanted when she needed it, why didn't she dream up an invisible solar sailer at Flynn's apartment. At the end of the day, the best Sci-Fi movies obey rules of thier universe. Tron Legacy would have Roy Batty, dove in hand, sprout wings, and laser batons. What ever it would take to get him out of that scene.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    want Tron like King Kong?

    by d-o-x

    a visual effects thing and thats it

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Def. wouldn't mind listening to the soundtrack.

    by Iblis_mage

    Can't help being indifferent toward the film, though. ReBoot is finally hitting DVD early next year, and I'd much rather expend my cash in that direction.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by jazzdownunder

    Have no business being on a list that also includes STAR TREK, DISTRICT 9 and AVATAR.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    It's even deeper than an allegory for the information age

    by HornOrSilk

    It's really a continuation of the Frankenstein debate -- and more importantly, the limits of human perfection and how a Prometheus will lead to their own downfall -- because they will be their own Mr Hyde. <br><br>One could read it as a nihilistic piece, where the creation tries to please its imperfect God, but that would be the simple reading, because one forgets the creator here is not God but a human trying to be God, and the one made in his image takes on all that is imperfect and calls it perfection. <br><br>And yes, Tron was in it. Not much, but I do think there needs to be a third film to show: Tron, and the world, still exists, and to give Bruce a bigger role. <br><br>The movie was slow at one point, but as a story, better than people are saying. There were imperfections, but those imperfections in a way play with the theme.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Tron or Ront. Or Tnor. Or Rotn. Otnr. Ntro!

    by catlettuce4

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Here's a clue about CLU

    by HornOrSilk

    Actually, it was quite easy to understand what he wanted to do. He wanted to make everything perfect, according to his understanding of perfection. Since he was imperfect, the perfection itself was imperfect -- his "perfect world" was filled with all kinds of problems. He was a computerized version of Flynn's idealism, a fallen ideal which showed the Mr Hyde under Flynn's idealism.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Executor: "we felt the danger" of Inception?

    by Flip63Hole

    Cardboard cutout dream characters shooting dream bullets at other one dimensional characters in a dream world hardly feels dangerous. Hence me walking out about ninety minutes into the movie. I did think it's a great parody, though. Couldn't stop laughing at the bathtub scene. In the future we'll have technology that can lets us share dreams but to wake out of it you have to fall in a bathtub? Wow... I guess even Twilight fans are convinced those films are filled with meaning. Though, compared to Inception, they actually are. I'd be interested to see Inception without the mindless action scenes, clunky exposition and one dimensional characters. Maybe Nolan had something there, who knows?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    "epilepsy inducing colors"

    by Larrylongballs

    You cannot induce epilepsy by colours. You can induce a seizure but to induce an epileptic seizure you need to be epileptic to begin with. It does not just come and go like a fucking rash you twit. It is a permanent condition.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST


    by MattmanReturns

    How's the whole "I'm gonna convince the world Inception sucks!" thing workin out for you?

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    RE: reckoner

    by durhay

    that Saint soundtrack introduced me to Daft Punk, Underworld and Luscious Jackson. What an epic album.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    and the Chemical Brothers. Can't forget them

    by durhay

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I just saw it...

    by John Maddening

    I really dug it. It was a lot of fun. The 3D was totally unnecessary, though.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I just saw it too...

    by vettebro

    The story was lame. The movie was as soul-less as CLU. I'm a big fan of the original too. The visuals were great. So was the music. The story, which counts above all else was <yawn> slow and uninteresting. I found myself not caring for the characters either. One can sum this movie as pure eye candy and nothing else. Big disappointment. When will Hollywood go back to great story telling in films? Very sad day for me. I've been looking forward to this for a few years. <sniff><sob> : (

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this

    by Swordfleece

    Tron had a simple narrative. Flynn trying to get evidence of Dillengers hacking. This is in the same ballpark. Why complain. Are you expecting War And Fucking Peace or something deep and mystical!

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by vettebro

    You will see the difference, believe me. The first Tron was a better movie. You will see.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by vettebro

    That's a big part of what's missing in Legacy. Did you care when RAM died in the original. Sure you did. Will you care about any of the programs dying here? Nope. Tron, Flynn, Yori, RAM were good characters in the original. I found myself not investing any interest in Quorra, Flynn Sr., Flynn Jr. or CLU. I was interested in learning about Tron, but got so little of his character it felt like a rip off. What we did get was filler and cheese whiz too. I do want to buy a Ducati motorcycle for some reason now though...

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    loved it

    by nametaken

    as a big fan of the original when i was a kid, i loved this movie. i wanted to jump in that digital world too, i wanted to explore that updated world from my childhood. the exposition i heard complaints about, i wanted to hear more of. wasn't sure a non fan could appreciate it, but it got through to me.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    HE GETS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Mo_Rephus

    Massawyrm, I must thank you from the bottom of my heart. You hit it on the head and I couldn't have put it better myself!! FINALLY...a reviewer GETS IT. (Besides Harry that is...) If I might add... Anyone and everyone thinking of seeing this film, yourselves a favor and watch the original film first. Two things are very important for your enjoyment of this new journey into the digital world of Tron...Continuity & perspective. You'll understand the first and have the second if you'll view the original prior to Tron Legacy. Thanks again, Massawyrm.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I like this review the best

    by noiretblanc

    out of the few that I've read among here and different sites. It's the most thoughtful, where the rest, including Ebert's, are hung up on trying to out-clever the, as you astutely point out, deceptively simple story and seeming excessively, and ironically, brutish while doing so. For people that pride themselves on intellectual maneuvering, the lot seem to lack taste and sophistication in criticism.

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I had the exact same reaction Massa...

    by The3rdMan

    I am a huge fan of the original Tron and admit it isn't a great film in any sense, but i am not looking for great film-making when watching Tron, just campy escapism. Going into this new Tron, I found the trailers not too impressive and the flashes of story that seemed to pit two Bridges against one another seemed to play up some God allegory that looked hard to swallow. So, i knew i wasn't going to see a great film but i knew i was going to love it. If anything i knew it was going to be amazing visuals with even better music. When i left the theater at 3am this morning i could overhear others who really disliked it, even most people in my party were offensively disappointed, but i smiled and told them i loved it which of course led to a lot of nerdy yelling outside the cinema. This is my Avatar, which was a film i felt nothing for. I hated the message and the idea and imagery minus some cool alien bird riding. However, this digital landscape is so engrossing and so beautifully put together. i was lost in it. if anything i wanted it to be longer. I didn't even hate the story so much, it kept the film going. People got up in arms over flashback sequences but i dug em', especially when it's the only time we get to see a young looking Bruce Boxleitner. half an hour in during the light cycle battle i remember thinking that it didn't matter if the rest of the film was jeff bridges picking his cgi'ed younger ass, that i was going to love it and that i shouldn't fight it. When i saw Avatar the dude beside me in the theater asked me how many times i had seen it. "None" i said. He blankly looked at me for a few seconds and then replied "oh... this is my fourth time... it's amazing." I never saw Avatar again... but for Tron:Legacy... i'm gonna be THAT guy. Can't wait to see it again. And remember this IS a Disney film. I know that sucks that they own Tron... but they do, so light on story!??? DEAL WITH IT

  • Dec. 17, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    good job

    by AzzyAzzy


  • Dec. 18, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Saw it today...

    by REDD

    I really enjoyed...agree with the review. I love the Daft Punk score...reminded in some spots of a John Carpenter score.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST


    by SgtSharki

    How about introducing the son of the bad guy from the first film and using him for only one scene? How about SPOILER ALERT taking the hero of the first film, turning him into villain for no reason. This movie was deeply flawed on the script level with one of the worst seconds I've seen in a movie in a long time.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Thank you Massa!

    by MapMan

    I was so looking forward to this and had been anticipating it since the first pirated copy of the first TR2N vfx went online. So I was pretty dismayed with all the negative reviews I heard. But fuck it - I'm going. I just can't believe people are so down on this movie! This is a wonderful film brimming with ideas and imagination. I haven't stopped thinking of TL all night and can't wait to see it again Sunday. I hope it makes Disney a lot of money and that a sequel gets greenlighted. My *one* disappointment: I wish they had paid homage to the old costumes. They weren't even shown in flashbacks. And one more thing: I wish Tron had been in it more.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 4:43 a.m. CST

    loved this movie!

    by Datascream

    I usually hate Massa's reviews because he usually hates a movie for its ending despite the rest of the movie being great. But he hits the nail on its head here. I saw this with two friends of mine on IMAX 3D and they got a kick out of it too! I seriously don't get the hate for this film.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    joshua must have some crazy narcolepsy,

    by gutshot

    because i saw a 2:45AM showing, and was not only awake, but enjoyed the whole movie. I guess the movie either has no plot... or it puts you to sleep with exposition? those seem like conflicting ideas. I think people just like to bitch.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Love to bitch

    by HornOrSilk

    And have no ability to follow plotlines which are not shouted to them "this is the plot."

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    When are you tards going to figure out....

    by frank

    that these films ARE MADE FOR THE EUROPEAN AUDIENCE. They make big budget special effects films with little or no plot so some european person can follow the movie.That is why the plots are NEVER complicated....And thats why there is always a foreign actor in the movie so thet can market to the foreign audience...

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    The one reviewer that matters

    by Randolph_Manboobs

    I agree with Wiseblood; Massawyrm's the cat's ass.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Thanks Mr. Wyrm, you nailed it

    by Xian042

    I loved the move with only a few nitpics; I didnt like the way Flynn Jr. was transported into the grid, things just got a little blurry and PRESTO! where were my Stargate-esque portal effects? The climax.... nah.. Overall its a fun Disney ride, which is exactly what they wanted it to be. Everyone wants T2on to be this profound movie of the year quality mind phukk. But these people forget the source material here. Everyone long forgot about Tron a long time ago, most went to see it without re-watching the first. Vague childhood memories of fuzzy faced people on light cycles was the only thing they remember. This movie was a blast, I'm so thankful if was even made at all. Bruce and Jeff clearly love these characters and its been a lot of fun for everyone.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    This is the type of flick you catch at a cheap theater

    by alienindisguise's clearly not worth the ticket prices right out of the gate. People have every right to be pissed when a movie on this scale fails to deliver. As ticket prices go up so too should the quality of film but it's going in the opposite direction. I have no interest in paying $20 to watch 2 hours of shit. Glad I got free tix to this crapfest.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Don't listen to the mainstream critics...

    by Beeslo

    They wouldn't know an enjoyable film if it came and bit them on the ass. I was a huge fan of Tron as a kid, as I considered it part of my holy trinity: Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Tron. Star Wars and Indy have had movies come out in the last decade that had a lot of hype around them and I was sucked up into that hype and was amped up to see them...and I was left severely disappointed. So it was Tron's turn and this time, I actually was a little weary. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. But to fool me three times?...obviously I was hesitant. But it wasn't until about a couple months ago that I couldn't ignore the pull that Tron was having on me once again. I found myself watching the original over and over again (fuck you, Capone. The movie may not be terrific, but it's not a bad movie as you claim it is. I got a paragraph into your review and once I heard you say that, well...the rest didn't matter). Read the comic mini-series. Listened to the soundtrack over and over again. Rewatched the trailers. Even watched the Literal Tron Trailer multiple times. (JEFF BRIDGES!!!) So needless to say, I got sucked back into the hype...but before going into the movie, I expected the worse since I was hearing negative things from critics. Well fuck'em...I left the theater incredibly satisfied and happy. It's not a perfect movie, I'm not going to go that far...but it was a great ride with incredible visuals, terrific acting and a story like "Wyrm" said that is skin deep. I will agree that the 3D wasn't as incredible as I had first hoped but that doesn't change the fact that seeing this thing in IMAX 3D was simply an incredible thing.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night...

    by Lucasblows

    ...fell asleep.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Blood=User??? ***Spoiler Alert***

    by vettebro

    WTF? How can a human/user bleed after being converted to 1's and 0's in a digital universe? Why would he or she? How does Quorra (a program) get pulled out of the computer and become real? I could go on and on. Lack of a good story, good characters and not enough movie logic to suspend ones disbelief, makes this movie suck. I am a BIG fan of the original Tron movie too. They dropped the ball on this. Plain and simple.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    It's great fun!

    by Cruzboy

    The film has a lot of flaws (the main guy could've been cast better, he's slightly irritating) but damn if it ain't enjoyable! Massa's review is the most spot on that i've read. If you're a designer or lover of design its worth seeing too. The vehicles are fantastic. The music is awesome and the action breathtaking. My mate who I saw it with that is not normally into electronic music also thought it was fantastic and was dying to get the soundtrack after we left. But its much more than just the music, it felt more like an experience than a movie. The first 3D film since Avatar I felt like I got my money's worth.

  • Dec. 18, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    So Massa, how does this fit in with Wikileaks era?

    by onezeroone

    Critics lambasting a story about free information in digital age are obliquely dissing wikileaks and agenda of such organizations, is it?

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    It was perfectly fine

    by Keith

    The section from the solar sailor onwards lagged a bit. I was actually surprised by what a talkie movie it was; I was expecting an overload of action. But by the time we were on the solar sailor we'd had too much exposition in a row: the pacing wasn't quite right. Then the light planes chase was pretty dull, and Sam was enjoying himself far too much for a deadly, high-stakes situation. And the fate of Tron felt weirdly mishandled; was there more to this that was left on the cutting room floor, along with the son of Dillinger? Apart from all that, I liked it. 7/10 rather than 9/10, but it had several interesting ideas, I liked the scary idea of Flynn having been trapped for subjective millennia inside his own creation, the score was good, and the visuals were nice, if not as interesting as those of the original film. Yes, young Flynn and CLU looked weird, but I found it didn't bother me that much after a while, especially on CLU. It was playing to full houses at my local cinema (in Vancouver, where everyone kept laughing at seeing our city apparently being a place in California in the movie). So I guess it can't be doing that badly. Will it tail off after the weekend? (Shrugs.) I didn't hear anybody moaning on the way out.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Joshua: Inception vs Tron

    by Keith

    " the best Sci-Fi movies obey rules of thier universe." Which puts Inception out of the running. Can't remember the last time I saw a film so full of extemporized new rules.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by AbramsPRIME

    Yes many great enjoyable tentpole movies that are now considered "great" films were simple in structure/dialog etc. The difference here is say "Star Wars eps 4" or even New "Star Trek" have relatively simple stories and some clunky dialog (esp Eps 4)...BUT(and this is a BUTT as big a JLo's), despite or because of their simplicity and/or awk dialogue, audiences (and not just geeky Fanboy audiences with no critical thinking ability in the light of fancy brain numbing visuals) CONNECTED emotionally with the characters and their journey/Arcs. "Legacy's" long stretches of Awkwardly Shoehorned in "backstory/exposition" grinds the narrative and character building to a halt for 10 to 15 minutes stretches at a time. Counter that with Ben explaining the light saber and what happened to Luke's father scene in Eps 4. Yes backstory and exposition but also great bedrock character building/subtle plot movement combined in that scene (with the iconic "whoa" VISUAL "show don't tell" moment we first SEE a light saber in action). Somewhat less elegant but Pike/Kirk's first scene also imparts backstory but a similar character building moment - both Kirk and Luke get a glimpse from talking to their soon to be mentors of their unknown to them fathers that get them started on their character's journey, both physical and emotional. They're both subtley NOT the same callow cocky kid they were at the beginning of the scene. Baby Flynn doesn't get that moment so he never become a real person. He remains a cypher going through the mechanics of the unsteady cliche plot machine. The "Legacy" characters have no unique "likeable" qualities or even potential "fatal flaws" they have to overcome. The 'father son" relationship is too undercooked/undeveloped/cliche to have any emotional resonance, the bad guy is another cypher, no real motivation (is just "evil to be the evil obstacle"). The acting is FLAT and character building dialogue ISN'T present in the script (yeah Bridges was amusing in small bits but it was just "Jeff Bridges" riffing on Lebowski...there was no actual living breathing CHARACTER on the page with inner life/real regrets/goals etc. He's "archetype template 101" (the "Merlin/Obi Won" mentor) with nothing added to the base model, unlike Alec Guiness or Bruce Greenwood performances/written material. Same with Baby Flynn...surely, cocky, 'chosen one" talented blah blah blah archetype template...just like "Young Skywalker" but despite Hamil's sometime shaky reading, the Skywalker CHARACTER transcends the basic "archetype" and becomes a living breathing person that the audience empathizes such luck in "Legacy". Baby Flynn is soulless, nothing unique. We don't "connect" with Olivia Wildes (yes she's HOT but nothing else registers) "warrior" like we "connected" with Leia or Han Solo or Spock's duel heritage journey. Kirk, Luke and Baby Flynn are ALL the same Archetype but in Kirk/Luke's case, WE(the vast majority of the audience) CARE about them... not at all with Baby Flynn...Like the virtual sets, it's like a computer pieced the "characters" together like a puzzle but didn't/couldn't add any "soul". That's the problem, the "movie" is a "virtual automaton/simulacrum" not an emotionally involving journey and all the hysterical fanboy reaction praising it to high heaven is just their initial reaction to the "look/eye candy" of the world (like dropping into a huge life size Xbox game) mixed with vague nostalgia of a 3 decade old movie they saw as a kid (which also isn't very good). THAT's the problem with this film. It's a digital wind up toy. It may still cross over with the public and gross $600 million (hell the general public made the "Transformer" movies box office juggernauts) but like the "toy robot movies', "Legacy" is not very good.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Braindrain...RE: Bruce Campbell

    by AbramsPRIME

    Kind of a non sequitar (like most of your posts) but... He's a far better actor than you are a "witty" writer.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 3:26 a.m. CST must be almost empty of brain by now...

    by AbramsPRIME

    And it's not "hatred". It's deep disappointment with a stupendously inept, lazy movie and a logical deconstruction of WHY is doesn't work as anything but a cold digital effects porn demo reel/Daft Punk music video.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by solotwit

    Wyrm is the worst writer on this site. He was obviously reading a lot of wikileaks articles beforehand and getting his panties in a bunch, then went into this looking for some kind of validation for his anger, read way too much into it, and felt soothed by his contrarian and ridiculous assessment of the "meaning" of Tron:Legacy 3D.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    A fair and accurate assessment, Massa.

    by Zarles

    This is probably one of my favorite reviews of TRON. Well done.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm, you kinda suck.

    by Ringwearer9

    I've always liked your writing, but it seems you tend to turn your talent towards deception, whether self and of others, or both. Have you ever heard the idea "It's not what a film is about, but how it's about it"? Basically, it means that you don't condone a poorly crafted piece of art just because it's got some sort of "high concept". A bad movie about the Meaning of Life is a bad movie, and that you have found this phony "meaning" in the film (something you say you have achieved as you "get farther away from it) says nothing about it's quality as a film. Does the film go about it's "deep meaning" in an entertaining way? You don't say, in fact, what you do say is that it's basically a shallow actioner, and "what should we espect". Well, if you check out Kosinski's comments about the movie, he says that he deliberately decided to make it NOT about the Internet, but about a private locked-in world on an isolated computer. Directly contradicting your phoney baloney "insight" into this thing. Sure, you backed up your pal Harry as his role as HypeMaster, but you are lying to us.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm nails it, as usual

    by nostairway

    The thing that's being lost for a lot of people is that this is a PG rated Disney movie. Anybody expecting Blade Runner is going to be sorely dissapointed. I saw it on IMAX and loved every minute of it because i knew exactly what to expect. Probably the only PG rated movie I've seen in over a decade. Everybody in the packed theatre had a great time as far as I could tell.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I usually don't agree with The Wyrm on anything, but...

    by BrashHulk

    There's plenty of merit in his review. Yes, the movie was obviously shot by a first-time director who was woefully lost at some points, but that's just one of a handful of technical nit-picks. The effects were great, the music was great, the acting was good, the story was fine, and the feel was excellent. I don't know what people were expecting, but it seems like there's a whole lot of butthurt over the fact the this movie isn't Great Art... and anyone who was expecting that is a true idiot.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Finally saw it, Massa is wrong

    by onezeroone

    There is no high concept in the movie. Emperor has no clothes. Movie just mentions different concepts at different points, but doesn't take any of them to conclusion. For anyone agreeing with Massa, I got two words for ya... THE MATRIX, not the bloated sequels, but the original one.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Having said that...

    by onezeroone

    Got exactly what I expected... great visuals and music. Not a great movie, but good enough for one watch and one of the very few that works better in 3D.

  • Dec. 19, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed it.........

    by FilmFan311

    The haters are runnin' wild up in this motherfucker! Simply, I enjoyed it and it was the escapism I was looking for on opening night. Anyways. The 3-D definitely was the downside for me. When the IMAX screen turned on for the previews before the screening and we saw those crazy ass monkeys in 3-D for the CALL OF THE WILD 3-D doc, THAT 3-D fucking owned. The monkeys were doing crazy monkey shit and it was fantastic to view in 3-D. It was greater 3-D than ANYTHING presented in TRON: LEGACY in IMAX 3-D. When the damn dirty apes jump off the screen more impressively than TRON: LEGACY did, THAT is where the head scratching began for me as I left the theater. That aside, TRON: LEGACY was the fun and kooky ass movie I was looking for that particular night. It looked fantastic on IMAX (minus the 3-D)

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Yawn:Legacy - the fallout.

    by BenKeeKnobKnee1

    I know all the geek-a-zoids are wetting themselves over this (probably for the first time since "girl action" is foreign to them) and furiously attacking saner/different opinions..but seriously...this movie kinda blows IMO. Not the worst you'll ever see but FAR FAR from "genius"...glad you liked someone who works in the "dollars and cents" (not the "genius artiste") side of the industry, let me break it down from a "business perspective". ...The gross? You can't spin a $43 million (and $23 million foreign in HALF the world markets) gross when the movie cost what, $180 million and $160 million(?!!) more to market (with much more to spend on overseas marketing in countries yet to open)? Disney was HOPING for at least $50M at the low end and $65M at the high to have a shot at this gamble paying off. This was the opening weekend when all the MASSES OF HARDCORE 'TRON' fans were supposed to FLOOD the multiplexes and open the movie HUGE...and all you could come up with is $43 million? That's barely HALF of what "Avatar" (NOT a sequel so not expected to break opening weekend records) opened to this time last year. I guess in total numbers you're NOT "Team Twilight", "Team Potter" or even "Team Transformers/Michael Bay". Alone (meaning without "mainstream crossover appeal"), you're not that much of an economic force. The global gross to break even for this movie is about $550 - 600 MILLION...NOT including DVD. It needed a "Harry Potter" opening, or an "Avatar" or "Alice in Wonderland" opening to have a shot at that number. Face it, it has turned into what most in the industry suspected, the "geeks only" appeal of this film would not be nearly enough to make this an ongoing franchise. Normal non fanboys people have little or no interest in basically a "Big Video Game" with no compelling emotional story at it's core. If they made this for $90 million, Disney would be DELIRIOUSLY HAPPY with the gross..but they spent DOUBLE that and SOOOOO much on marketing. I'm glad you found your new "fave movie EVER" to keep you warm at night and replace "Scott Pilgrim" or "Kick Ass" as your "cause celebre"...but unless it suddenly displays "Avatar" staying power over the next 8 weeks at least, forget about "Tron 3 and 4" and just be happy you're getting another "Cult blu ray" in a few months. Seriously.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Without David Warner this film...

    by workshed

    ...was always going to be a turkey. He was the one who made TRON the cult movie that endured the bad reviews it got back in 82, not Bridges (who actually got on my nerves in the original). Same goes for Time Bandits, Time After Time, Straw Dogs, The Omen, and anything else the man touched during his heyday.

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    They actually go well together.

    by Mrelia

    I watched the original Friday night at home and then went and saw the new one on Saturday. If you look at continuity of character and the overall feel of the movies they seem fairly continuous. Remember, the original Tron does not have a complex story either: Dude develops neat software that's stolen by other people who then lock down the system to cover their asses. So he breaks in to find proof that he developed said neat software. (Let's ignore the fact that he developed his software on company equipment with the intention of taking this software to start is own business.) Then he... ... gets sucked into computer world. ...teams up with programs to survive. ...goes on a road trip with programs to get magik application to free the system. ...confronts bad guy. ...bad guy is defeated. ...goes home to real world and wins at life. Compare the story line to the sequel and you'll see that there is a LOT more going on in the new movie than the original. There were a few things I would have liked to have seen, but nothing that was so screamingly wrong that it took me out of the world. I say save the hate for movies that truly insult the fan base. (I'm looking at you George...)

  • Dec. 20, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed it personally.

    by themastadon

    I never saw the first Tron, but walked out of the theatre excited to check it out. The only complaint I had about Legacy was we paid for 3D, and only a small amount of it was in 3D. Otherwise, I really enjoyed everything else about the film. I keep seeing all these posts trashing it, but I see everybody trash every single film that comes out. So it makes me wonder if anybody ever actually enjoys any films anymore, or is entertainment just something to simply bitch about. That's all it seems like to me from a lot of people. I haven't really seen a film in years that I didn't enjoy at some level. I think people should stop over hyping films and then maybe they'll walk out saying that was good; I rarely have an expectation for a film so I never have any premonitions of what I want to see. Except the Expendables, I walked in wanting to see explosions and great action scenes and that's exactly what I got and had a hell of a great time. I'll go to see Black Swan or Inception if I want an intricate plot with characters that aren't cookie cutter. I don't know, I'm not saying don't complain if you don't like something, but it's almost as if everyone's standards are too damned high nowadays to actually enjoy anything that's released.

  • Dec. 21, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Massa, you called it again, good one

    by prince_fufu

    I enjoyed the film very much. So did the kids and wife. The 3-D was a rip-off, though.

  • Dec. 30, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Massa! Where's part II?

    by MapMan

    Christmas week is almost over.