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EXTREME RUMOR Re: Sonnenfeld's take on SPIDER-MAN
Sigh.
I swear to lord almighty, please prevent Barry Sonnenfeld from touching this property. A soul-less glossy comedic smug twist on SPIDER-MAN is so far from what I want to see. I'm not speaking for all you readers out there, you can do that for yourself in TALK BACK... But... For me, having Barry Sonnenfeld coming up with a Mad Scientist character of his own devices with which to pit Spider-Man against.... well it chills me to the bone.
Barry used to be a really wonderful DP. That was long ago now, his films are dead without any passion at all. So cold. He's a director for the DC universe from the 50's... not the Marvel Age. Ya know, back about 2 years ago Robert Rodriguez really wanted to do SPIDER-MAN... Now he's going to do MADMAN instead. Sigh. My first choice is still Scorsese. It'd be his chance to make his New York fantasy. It'd be something... wonderful. The following is from a fellow that overheard a lunch... It's unconfirmed... treat it as pure rumor. One of those alleged things. But... ugh...
Harry,
Love your site, and thought I would drop a line about the Spider-Man
movie. I was eating in a nice little cafe in Brentwood when I over-heard the
person behind me claim to be an assistant to Barry Sonnefeld, and the person
at the table with him (another assistant of someone, I didn't catch the name)
asked if Sonnefeld was interested in doing Spider-Man.
The assistant stated that "Barry" would love to make the Spider-Man film.
When asked what villian would be used by his dining companion, the assistant
replied that "Barry" would rather use a "mad scientist angle" for the
villian. "Like the Octopus guy?" asked the other diner. "No, it would be
someone Barry and the writers would create," the assistant replied. "Well,
whatever," the other diner replied (my thoughts exactly).
I don't know if these two guys were legit or not, but they were both
dressed nice and in the right part of town, so who knows? Just thought I'd
let you know. Personally, I think a Spidey-movie is gonna suck no matter what.
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Barry Sonnenfeld as director = Will Smith as Spiderman
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Damnit, that's gonna give me nightmares for weeks, i can't honestly think of anything worse than Will Smith as Spiderman, i think i'd even go as far as saying i'd rather see leo as anakin than a jive-talkin' jiggy-with-it superhero......well, maybe not, but it's damn close
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this has got to be a joke right? jeez spidey may end up looking worse than batman and robin! oh and nicolas brandon for the spidey role, michial biehn would be perfect if only he were younger
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John Cusack IS Peter Parker and either Jet Li or Ray Park should don the Spidey threads.......groovy
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The other day I was in MikeyD's and I Overheard some Sony Executives talking about Johnny Depp directing Spiderman. Apparantly he impressed them with The Brave and is all set to sign. Also Johnny's choice to play Spiderman is none other than Paulie Shore! Harry please don't mindless rumors! And leave Sonenfeld alone, he may not be right for Spidey but hey he used to direct porn films and now he has to his credit Addams Family, Addams Family Reunion, Men In Black and Get Shorty! Thats not a bad record better than other more deserving hacks like De Bont and Stephen Hopkins.
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To be frank, I don't really give a shit about Spiderman. O.K. the character is mildly diverting and the gallery of rogues is impressively colourful ( though highly derivative ). What clenches my teeth though is the thought of another classic comic book character being heaped with the same indignities as the much loved Bat. The film biz is leaching all respectibility out of the comic book industry. How dare they! Studio execs clearly feel that they can have a carte blanche with any comic property, and the publisher (shortsightedly) is happy to oblige as they are guaranteed a temporary boost in sales. Everybody appears to be shooting for the lowest common denominator. Case in point..the X-men. Considering all the decades of material written, from what source do the producers choose to base their finale...Batman and Robin. A mutant lazer?! Stupid stupid rat creatures!
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GODDAMMIT!!!! If that hack weasel even TOUCHES the Spiderman script, he should be boiled in his own filth. I'll be the first to say that I enjoyed MIB, but WWW was complete and utter dung! Is Barry going to create another crazy scientist like Arliss Loveless? What a witty, understated and subtle villan he was. And let's not forget the brilliant humor in the film which relied solely on doo-doo jokes and boob gags. Very mature. And Will Smith kicking the crap out of a guy in a wheelchair is the pinnacle of comedy! Here's a scene in typical Sonnenfeld direction: Spiderman dresses in drag to sneak into the mad scientist's lair. The scientist falls for Spidey, who bats his eyes and giggles while sax music plays on the soundtrack. He goes in for a kiss and giant webs shoot from Spidey's falsies. The scientist topples over accompanied by crazy whistle sounds and him yelling WHOOAAAA! He then falls into a privy which closes and locks and is hauled off by a garbage truck and dropped off a cliff. As it falls he yells something like "CURSE YOU SPIDERMANNNNN!" which fades as he drops out of sight.
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Accidentally hit RETURN.
Anyhoo, I can think of at least a dozen other directors I'd rather have do Spidey. Have Kevin Smith write the script from Cameron's treatment, and have the Wachowskis direct. I don't care if they're doing the Matrix sequels first, we've waited this long, right? -
PLEASE SOMEONE STOP SONY FROM LETTING THIS HAPPEN, GET FINCHER OR SOME BETTER SUITED, ANYTHING BUT SONNENFELD :( :( :( :(
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...it doesn't mean Sonnenfeld's got it yet. Do you people live with your panties PERMANENTLY in a knot?
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I was in a Taco Bell and I overheard - and I swear this is legit, because it was in El Segundo where most execs with the power to greenlight go for authentic Mexican - that Garth Brooks would play Peter Parker and Chris Gaines would play Spiderman. Jet Li as Spiderman? Not when you can get Oz superstar to sling webs. The best part is you have pipes so that this can be a live-action cartoon modelled after a Disney cartoon - loads of catchy Phil Collins songs that you would just LOVE to hear Garth tackle. And wait till you hear about the cute animal sidekick they have planned.........
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Well, it looks like we can add another director to the AICN hit list already comprised of names like Schumaker, Columbus, DeBont. Anyone else I'm forgetting? Sonnenfeld makes one subpar movie and everyone hates him, and wants him "boiled in his own filth" and other horrible things. Grab the reigns geeks, it's only a rumor. Personally I think Cameron would be the best choice to direct, but I'm willing to give Sonnenfeld some latitude in thinking that he could do a credible job. Spiderman is one of my favorite comic characters of all time, so I don't want to see a poor version of this movie. The main problem with movies based on comic books is fleshing out characters and background, that usually takes hundreds of issues to establish, into a two hour movie. I have no idea what the script would look like, but I think Sonnenfeld would do a decent job if given an excellent script to work with. If memory recalls he didn't write WWW, so all the problems with dialogue and plot can't be his fault entirely. I think he has a good visual style, and understands how to use the f/x that would definitely be need in a movie like this. Give him a break!
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While WWW's script was a piece of shit, I thought that Barry had a good visual style for all those effects. MIB was good, so as long as the writer does their job, I think we could get a cool movie from this guy. Of course Cameron would be the ultimate dream...
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re BS (nice initials, Barry) and this mad scientist angle: why is it that people have this obsession with CHANGING the elements of a project they're attracted to? "I love spiderman and I'd love to do the movie so that it captured the comic book- except I'd have to change it totally to make that work". Someday, somewhere, somehow, someone is going to do a serious, adult animated feature of a Marvel comic and loads of overpaid suits will say "why didn't we think of that back when".
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. . . it's time to take out the trash, kids, and it's name is Barry Sonnenfeld, or however you spell it. I'd like to quote Kurt Russell in Tango and Cash by saying. . ."this whole thing. . . FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!" Fucking Dreamworks and fucking BS and fucking up fucking SpiderMan. Your own villain? You egomaniacal cocksucker!!! You worthless, ignorant bastard! How DARE he? How fucking arrogant do you have to be to take a classic comic book, loved by millions, with a cool and diverse selection of viallains, and then throw all that away because you think you have a better idea than years of comic writers and fans? Man, I HOPE this is fucking bullshit,. just shit heard i the cafe, because if it's not. . . if this is true. . . they're gonna have to throw away the key on me by the time I'm done tearing BS apart.
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...what's so bad about Barry Sonnenfeld? I thought Men in Black was cute and funny. Granted, I haven't seen Wild Wild West, but still...he doesn't seem to be much worse than the other 800 mediocre movie directors out there.
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Yes, I, too, believe that Sonnenfeld would make a terrifically cute little Spider-Man movie. Remember all the cute little "booby" gags in WILD WILD WEST? You, know, though, I'd really like to see Joel Schumacher make a cute little film of Spidey. Wouldn't it be neat when Spidey shoots his cute little web-ejaculators all over New York, and rides the adorable Hobgoblin all over town? No, wait -- did anybody see FIGHT CLUB? That was a cute movie. Who directed that? David Fincher? He would do a cute little number on ol' Spidey. The opening credit sequence would be a trip through the radioactive bite on Peter Parker's hand -- No -- back up... I was getting harrassed by Flash Thompson...
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That steaming pile of dung he made for Warner Broz kept me away from the plex for a whole week. Now-SPIDERMAN??!! The idea just makes my butt pucker. I pray to God that this is a joke.
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I think that they should look for a director that will not bring any bagage to the film. A director so the audience won't go in expecting a certain style. A few excellent video directors come to mind. Mark Romanek and Chris Cunningham. I have been dying to see Romanek direct a feature film ever since his amazing videos for Nine Inch Nails Perfect Drug and Closer. Chris Cunningham has shown he deffinately has the FX prowess after his videos for Aphex Twin and the unbelievable Bjork video for All is Full of Love. I think either one of these guys deserve a shot but it is doubtfull that the studios would put such responsibility in the hands of first time directors. So we must sit and suffer as they name Sonnenfeld or Bay (sorry Harry, he aint right for this one.) or God knows who else to helm this project. Hey maybe Spike Jonze could direct it. Deffinately has the sense of humor to pull it off.
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Wouldn't it be something. What if Woody Allen did a complete 360 and did a real "New York Fantasy"!
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I just started envisioning the whole thing..... Woody's usual B&W credits (with cast in alphabetical order,) his jazz combo playing some uptempo version of, say, "Itsy, Bitsy, Spider," then open on an exterior of Uncle Ben's apartment (under the Cyclone at Coney Island, of course.....) You know what, I *can* see it! This is the Spiderman movie we all deserve. It'd be far preferable to any of the other ideas I've seen tossed around.
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WWW was a travesty, no doubt. And when I heard that Smith and Sonne were going to do the Ali epic, I couldn't think of a worse creative pairing. But some of his other films have been entertaining, and I think the guy should get one last chance to make a good film. But it shouldn't be Spiderman. The script for WWW was trash, and I'm sure Sonne sold in on the CONCEPT, so what is a director to do? Well, I guess throw in cheap laughs about lynchings and cross dressing, so I'll just shut up now. Give Spidey to someone creative, who is not a BIG NAME ACTION DIRECTOR. Give it to the guy who did Pleasantville, or the Truman Show. Someone who can capture the angst of the Parker character. Scorcese is a good choice, but I fear he'd make Spidey too dark, and the last thing we need is another DARK comic-to-film movie.
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when I overheard a conversation between the shampoo and the soap dish. You see, apparently the soap dish used to be spiderman's soap dish, and he told the shampoo... ahh, ferget it.
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Not. I'm wondering if him and his creepy wife even have souls. They seem made of plastic. Anyway, Jim Cameron is a bad choice for Spiderman. An early draft of the script had Electro and Kingpin as an amalgamated character. What bigger red flag do you need? Cameron is an egomanic (kind of like that flannel wearin' ewok). He won't do Spiderman, he'll do, "James Cameron's Spiderman". Who the hell wants that? We bought the comics already, they KNOW WHAT WORKS! WE BOUGHT THE FREAKIN' STORYLINE WE WANT TO SEE BROUGHT TO LIFE. With comics to film, I really don't think that at this stage it is about anything other than seeing the comic book come to life. These studios think they need to sell us something "new" to make us interested, or to try to grab the next generation. NOT NECESSARY. Once you get the freakin' picture right the first time (which has yet to be done), and set the origin up properly, then you can start getting creative with the storyline. If it has lasted this long, it does not need to be reinvented. That's why I can't stand the way Burton tampered with Batman's origin, the way Smith's Superman script portrayed the character or the way Cameron was adding and deleting characters at will. The Kingpin is a very important character in the Marvel universe, and should not be tampered with. The character stands as one of the best-loved villians ON HIS OWN. Impossible as it may seem, they need to find a director without an ego, whose vision matches that of the person who created the comic book. How many times do they have to screw this up to see they need a director without ego-driven motive for transferring the character to film?
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This is gonna be awesome...I really think Sonnenfuck is the man for this...creating your own villian...genius....I wonder if he'll get to drive a really cool car, or better yet...an kick ass huge tarantuala...NOOOOO this can't happen...I've never been a huge comic person, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna bend over and watch them fuck up this franchise...I'd hate to be around cameron right now...he is probably fuming...Sonnefeld is totally wrong....and to prove that point is this dumb rumor about creating his own villian....if he is alowed to do this then i say BOYCOTT...everyone..this will not be the spidey you all know and love....Madboy you sound really pissed in your above post...you didn't go psycho and kill anybody did ya....oh Red Dawn was on TV this weekend....Swayze and Sheen...how can ya beat that.........
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FLmlvr called it - the potential for fuckups is infinite for this clod - hey, we can have the spidey-mobile! and the fucking spidey-cycle. And spidey-diaphragms! And fucking. . . fucking. . . Am I swearing too much? I'm sorry. Hey Fl;mlvr, I was gonna watch Red Dawn, but my dad called and said I couldn't. . . But I finally got my goddamn Premiere, you know, the one you stole - but there was a weird sticky substance omn all the pics of Molly Ringwald. . .
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Ok, so now Sony is looking at fast-tracking Daredevil. All I can say is *fuckin' finally* a superhero that I can see a really decent movie adaption. Hopefully it has a damn good script (which should come from Frank Miller) but it'll be interesting to see if they use a brand new one, instead of the Chris Columbus'. Now, if you want Fincher for this one directing.. I say HELL YEAH! This is certainly a better property to put into production than Dr. Strange. Heh, start your fan boy casting on this one. Matt Murdock, Carlton Fisk, Natasha Romanoff, Elektra, Bullseye, Foggy Nelson, Stick...
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This is one of the funniest Talkbacks in ages. DirtFish, you're wrong, though. Depp dropped out of directing 'Spiderman' after the suits nixed his idea of having Spiderman be played by a grocery cart-pushing Marlon Brando. Instead, the job of directing Spidey goes to...Brian Levant! Just as long as they're faithful to the cartoon series, I'll be happy. The villian will be...a bunch of pirates that appear from a ghostly version of 'The Flying Dutchman.' J. Jonah Jameson will be played by Bruce Campbell. Spidey sense tingling...I detect a hit!
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A fly on the wall - a real one - of the local Pizza Hut told me that Spiderman will be played by Edward Norton. Peter Parker would be played by Leonardo Dicaprio. Mary Jane (or whatever her name is) will be played by Camyrn Manheim, with extensive use of CGI to make her look just like Gwyneth Paltrow. If they can't get Manheim (Emmy winners are in demand, don't you know), Dustin Hoffman has stated he would like to see his 'Tootsie' character back on the big screen. In that case, Tootsie as Mary Jane would be played by Tom Hanks, channeling his character from 'Bosom Buddies.' Doctor Octopus would then be played by Peter Scolari; his girlfriend would be played by Wendy Jo Sperber. Or maybe Donna Dixon.
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Why doesn't Mr. Sonnenfeld just
go work in a shoe store or something?
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Filmgoers would then, at least, get a taste delight in every bite.
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Kevin Smith pennning it (I liked the religious undertones in his stint for the comic at Marvel, it added depth to the character), I'd like Norrington (Blade) for the director. I think the story should revolve around Matt's origin and him stopping the Kingpin from running a crime ring. As a result, Kingpin sicks Bullseye on him. And absolutely no love interest. There can be chicks in it, Matt can rescue chicks who gush all over him, but no love interest. And finally, onto "fanboy" casting, here come the flames...Matt Damon as Daredevil, Ben Affleck as Bullseye and that intense Bald Guy from that cop show on tv who looks like Telly Savalas for the Kingpin. Elecktra or Bloody Mary (who I favor) can enter the mix in a cameo, and continue into the next film if it is successful.
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Ok. Neil Gaiman penning it. Set in Greenwich Villiage in the beatnik/jazz age (when things were just starting to get trippy). Terry Gilliam for the director. Dr. Strange is...Daniel Day Lewis.
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Now, granted, I haven't been a Catholic for a long time, but isn't this in revelations somewhere? I think it's between the fifth seal and Kathy Lee Gifford, but I could be wrong.
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Low budget. No gadgets. The man is a detective for crying out loud. Curtis from L.A. Confidential directing and Hegeland writing. I'd like it to be sort of a period piece, but that will never happen. Find a young Cary Grant and you have your Batman -- someone elegant, but who can be physically intimidating. Do Miller's Year One and it's ON!
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Find a young Cary Grant, and you'd have the only movie star in the business who'd be worth a shit.
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I have a feeling someone is having a little fun with us.
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Nov 23, 1999 3:18:00 PM CST
Martin Scorsese Harry? No! Phil Alden Robinson Jimmy? Hell yeah!
by jimmy the saint
This report is as bogus as the last one. You should call this site; Aint-it-a-nice-rumour.com I'd rather discuss your first choice for director; Martin Scorsese? Sure he has a great visual style and New York is his kind of town, but you do know there is no chance in hell he would ever agree to direct or Sony offering him the job? Spiderman needs to become a hit in order for Columbia to survive. They aren't taking any chances with this one. They're going to go with a director they know and trust. Barry Sonnenfeld could be a possibility, but other directors like Martin Campbell, Cameron Crowe, Wolfgang Peterson and my top choice Phil Alden Robinson are more likely to direct. Like Warner did with Batman and Superman, Columbia is probably going to hire a relatively young & unknown director who can deliver the goods without the attitude(Yes, Mr Cameron, I am talking to you). Phil Alden Robinson is a great director, who makes movies he wants to make, but are also accesible for a larger audience. He has shown in his previous work(especially Field of Dreams & Sneakers) he can handle all the elements needed in order for the Spiderman movie to work. Comedy, action, suspense, drama, great acting, chemistry between the actors & a wonderfull story structure. On another note: I can't repeat my perfect cast enough times, so here we go again. Peter Parker: Jake Gyllenhaal, Gwen Stacy: Kirsten Dunst, Aunt May: Gena Rowlands, Uncle Ben: Phillip Baker Hall, Doc Ock: Bob Gunton, The Green Goblin(Norman): James Caan, The Green Goblin(Harry): Shawn Hatosy, Captain Stacy: Peter O'Toole, M.J.: LeeLee Sobieski
Liz Allen: Mena Suvari, Flash: Dash Mihok, Betty Brant: Natasha Gregson Wagner, J.J.: R. Lee Ermey
& Robbie: Albert Hall. Let Thomas Newman do the score and let the director of photography be either Emmanuel Lubezki or Roger Deakins. If Phil doesn't want to do it, get Peter Weir. Do you have any thoughts about the spidermanmovie? Go to the number one Spiderman movie site on the web www.spidermanhype.com
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The funniest thing about these talkbacks is some dude just called "Men In Black" hilarious! Why does Harry put this obvious lie on AICN? Like the time he posted how a guy fetching coffee on the set of scream 3 heard wes craven saying on his cell phone how jamie Lee curtis would be in the beginning of the film as her character from Halloween and would be killed...how did that rumour turn out?
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Martin Scorsese directing Spiderman - hmmmm. Only if they give GANGS OF NEW YORK to Sonnefeld - fair is fair, after all.
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Let someone else make Spidey. What I want to know is, when is Barry going to make Wild Wild West 2! He simply has to make a sequel to the beautiful masterpiece known as Wild Wild West. It was by far the best movie of 1999, and Will Smith gave his best performance ever!
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First of all, this rumor is complete crap. Overheard in Brentwood, well it couldn't be made up! Secondly, Sonnenfeld, although he did royally screw up Wild Wild West, has made some really good movies: Addams Family 1 & 2, MiB, and the best of the Elmore Leonard adaptations, Get Shorty (much better than Jackie Brown.) Although the director of the eventual Spider Man film would ideally be someone more suited to action and less to self aware irony, we should not dump on Sonnenfeld too much just for one bad film. Everybody hits a slump, it is entirely possible he could pull himself out. Now, if he pulls a Jan DeBont and makes three in a row (Twister, Speed 2, The Haunting,) that would be the time to demand he leave the film industry and begin selling shoes. So, let this be the official notice to Jan DeBont: Your job at PAYLESS is secured, please leave the films to those who have talent. Thank you.
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I think why most people are angry about the very idea of Sonnefeld ever working again isn't just because of WWW, but because it is slowly starting to sink in that MIB was just as lousy, but no one wants to admit it. Come on everyone - admit it: after ADDAMS FAMILIES 1 & 2 and GET SHORTY, MIB is a fatuous, overblown mess that isn't aging well, even though it's only 2 years old. And WWW is even worse. If ole BS is ever to regain any kind of cred again, he has to avoid big budget FX fests like the plague.
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Nov 23, 1999 4:34:59 PM CST
I LOVE SCORSESE, BUT DENIRO IS JUST TOO OLD FOR THE ROLE OF PETE
by johnny boy
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To the producers of this film: Do not try to turn Spiderman into Batman. The characters may have similar aspects to their origins, but they took very different routes. Peter Parker is a teenage kid who wants to do the right thing, not be a vigilante like Batman.
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I think Barry Sonnenfeld would be a GREAT choice to direct Spiderman. Both MEN IN BLACK and THE ADDAMS FAMILY demonstrated his talent at directing comic book-themed fare. SPIDER MAN would be just the kind of movie that he could kick ass with and would bring him back to the top of his game as a mega-director. MEN IN BLACK was arguably a perfect (and now-classic) comedy. Just two years ago, EVERYONE was rooting for this guy. NOW -- it's "trendy" to bash him. I don't even know why people were so quick to jump down his throat for WILD WILD WEST (which was not perfect, but it was in no way a bad movie). All it takes is one lame posting on this website saying that a test screening went poorly and suddenly everyone feels that it's cool to bash a movie (or a director). WILD WILD WEST was definitely not my favorite Sonnenfeld film, but it certainly wasn't worthless. Someone should point a finger or two at Will Smith - who, if I were Sonnenfeld, I would never go near again. This is an actor at a strong enough point in his career to have serious influence on a movie's script, himself. And what good did Smith bring to WILD WILD WEST? Another boring, one-note performance.
Sonnenfeld would make SPIDER MAN into one of the coolest event movies in recent years. There are so many people out there DYING to finally see this character brought to the big screen that would strongly agree that Barry could make one hell of a fun film. Who needs any more of that MATRIX-style slick action crap? Sonnenfeld would add a personality to the material. He'd give it some class and depth. He is a much more "human" director than the Wachokofski-whatever brothers. And in a much more "alive" state of his career than Martin "Bringing Out the Dead" (Key word: DEAD) Scorsese. You guys probably think i'm such a fecking die hard Sonnenfeld groupie -- I'm actually not. I just don't think he deserves the hell he's been getting. He's a talented director and WILD WILD WEST will not be the last movie Barry Sonnenfeld ever makes -- so stop treating him as if it's his only effort.
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peter parker was just a teenager - with an ulcer and a cloned girlfriend. What teenager doesn't?
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We all know Spidey without a Spidey villain is just unspeakable. I'm actually more excited about the Dr. Strange movie. The good Doctor was always my favorite Marvel hero. Finally can anyone answer this Hostess mystery? I'm originally from Missouri where we had a tasty treat called "Ding-Dong's". It never occurred to me that they would be called anything different. Then I moved to Atlanta and found out that they were called "King Don's". Only in GA and TN have I seen them marketed as "King Don's. But a few months ago I noticed that they are now sold here as "Ding Dong's" and all references to "King Don's" have disappeared. Does anyone know what happened? Does anyone care? Also if anyone from Hostess is out there, please, please bring back CHOCODILES!!!!
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Say it backwords. Spooky, isn't it - makes your hair stand on end.
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It would definitely be cool if Fincher directed Spiderman-- the only problem is he never will. Why do any of you think the director of movies like Seven, The Game, and Fight Club would be remotely interested in anything like Spiderman? I mean, it's not like the money men are going to let him do what he wants-- they want a film with merchandising potential for kids, not a film for the comic book geeks. No matter how much money they offer him, Fincher is too smart to get involved with a project like this (at least that's what I heard at a cafe in Brentwood. Jesus, Harry, stop playing celebrity and find some real sources).
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Cab we not forget the ultra coolness of Get Shorty? John Travolta's coolest film (no, I did not forget Pulp Fiction).
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Now that I have your attention: I am so sick of reading the bullshit on this site. If you're going to make a comment -- that's fine...but please stop embarrassing yourselves by not knowing who/what you're speculating on...ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL THE DIRECTOR'S NAME! (It's SONNENFELD BTW -- not sonnefeld, sonenfield, etc.) And what's so terrible about this guy anyway? Just because his last film was a bomb doesn't mean he's a bad choice (perhaps PETER'S is to blame??? that's JON PETER'S for all of you who like to form unsubstantiated opinions about WWW) So if you guys want to be HACKERS and PRETEND you're all "up" on Hollywood gossip -- you're doing a GREAT job. But if you actually want to be entertained by something other than TABLOID gossip -- put down THE STAR (and click off this retarded site) and rent one of SONNENFELD'S INCREDIBLE pix (MIB, GET SHORTY, ADDAMS FAM 1 & 2 or one of his early DP's -- BIG, WHEN HARRY MET SALLY, MILLER'S CROSSING, RAISING ARIZONA, MISERY...) Then you can actually make an educated statement about the "alleged" SPIDERMAN Director's choice list.
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How come whenever someone mentions the movies directed by David Fincher, they never mention "Alien Cubed"? The best thing about that one is that it was a bit better than "Alien Ressurection." Yuck. Someone mentioned that "Men In Black" wasn't that good the first time around. I whole-heartedly agree. I thought it was mediocre at best, and very over-rated to boot.
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Here's a logistic argument for this being a bullshit rumor. I've known too many Hollywood bosses. No way this assistant could've gotten from Sonnenfeld offices at Disney, way the hell out in the valley, to Brentwood AND had time to eat lunch. Being late to Sonnenfeld's phones after lunch means a serious ass whuppin' in this town.
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Barry is not a good choic for Spiderman but the man has made great movies, I love the Addams Family movies, Get Shorty was brilliant and Men In Black was so beautiful to look at (I even liked the story, sorry if no one else did). He makes a shitty movie in WWW and everyone condemns the guy! Hey Spielberg made 1941! Give the man a break, Harry!
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"1941" was actually one of the GOOD movies that have been made.
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Yeah, 1941 was actually a good movie. It's very funny in a Saturday morning cartoon sort of way. Although it was ravaged by the critics when it first came out, I liked it (I was 11) because Spielberg did it. I still do. Just because it didn't make money doesn't make it a bad movie. In fact, I don't think Spielberg has ever made a bad movie, although Always is the weakest on his resume, and I will always wish that Hook was a little bit better. Did anyone else believe Hook was going to be the greatest movie ever made going in, then get really disappointed about halfway through? ...Anyway, I just got the DVD of 1941, and it is packed with a lot of great stuff-deleted scenes, interviews, etc. If you guys haven't seen the film, check it out.
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For me, Spider-Man has always been and always will the number one superhero, even if the current Spider titles (with the exception of Webslingers) suck ass. A lot of that has do with the current writer, Howard Mackie (who is about to spread his loathsome spoor all over Webslingers with some story about Spidey fighting Carnage in the Negative Zone. What the fuck?). I think the guys at Marvel should pull their heads out of their asses and get someone who can write to do these books, like Kurt Busiek or Joe Kelly, whose story arc in Webslingers was great.
But okay, enough of that comic book nerd shit, on to the movie. Now, if done right this could be the best superhero movie ever, but my hopes that this movie will be done right grow slimmer with each new rumor or bit of news, but that's nothing new.
The thing that disturbs me the most about the Sonnenfeld rumor is the suggestion that he'd ditch Spidey's rogues gallery and go with an original (Though I use the term loosely. Mad scientist huh? Yeah, whatever.) villain. Batman may have the best individual villains, but Spidey has the best overall rogues gallery, hands down.
I've heard that Sandman and Electro might be used in the movie, which could be cool, but for my money the perfect villain for a Spidey movie would be Mysterio. Why?
1. It would give reason for the overblown special effects that are going to make it into this movie regardless, as FX are Mysterio's schtick.
2. A good writer could make Mysterio scary and sinister, but also fun could be poked, through this character, at the very notion of event pictures. As an FX designer Mysterio helped to create event pictures, now he creates event crimes.
3. If a variation of Mysterio's first story is used (Spidey is seen as a menace, so Mysterio arises to put a stop to him hoping to steal some of the attention that Spidey has gotten, attention he's been denied in his failed career as an FX designer.
Ah, hell. I suppose there's really no way around how inherently cheesy a villain Mysterio is, but Spider-Man has always been (or at least was once) as much about fun and humor as a superhero with realistic problems.
If handled correctly, Mysterio could make a great villain for what could be a great movie.
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has no one thought of SPIKE LEE to direct Spider-Man? Personally I think he could bring something great to this movie.My reasons are that we know he digs comics,he makes(mostly) good movies,and he can direct a story with humor,action,drama,etc(Do The Right Thing).By the way Men In Black was utter shit.Opinions?
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A reputable source (a creepy-looking guy who sells pirated dvds out of an alley) told me that Edward Norton and David Fincher are attached to 'Spiderman,' but in a way you wouldn't expect. Norton will direct, and Fincher will star, not as Spidey, but as Doctor Octopus. The title role would go to Randall "Tex" Cobb. Peter Parker would be played by Eddie Deezen. J. Jonah Jameson would be played by Drew Carey. Mel Gibson will have a cameo, as Wolverine.
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Majestyk, i like the idea of lee making spiderman. You could even go further, and say why not a black spiderman. You could get Taye Siggs from Go and House on Haunted Hill. He's a great actor, and he has the body to fit the suit. A black avenger of justice? Hey, it worked in Blazing Saddles.!.
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I can already tell that Sonnenfeld is like the Schumacher of the Spider-man films. It's sad after all this "studio rights" crazyness, that Spider-man series COULDN'T start off on the right foot. Already the bum is trying to turn Spider-man into his own personal project, like Burton and Shumacher did with the BATMAN series. WHAT THE FUCK KINDA VILLIAN IS SOME "MAD SCIENTIST" GUY. Jesus, the script probably hasn't been written yet and already the project is F*CKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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. . . then again, I thought that casting Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze was a joke too. Then (shudder) it came TRUE. Seems like the more inane the hollywood rumor is, the more likely it is to be true. Hmmmm . . . I oughta work up a formula for that.~~~Anyway, so far as Sonnenfeld, he's done some OK movies, but nothing that really stands out. He may just need the right script though, hard to say. However superhero movies are notoriously difficult to pull off well. I think a more balanced director would have a better shot at it. In any case, its JUST A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER FOLKS. Calm down.
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...you both MUST be a couple of trekkie white boys huh! Right?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of three months ago, wasn't it considered impossible to sort out the rights problems for this movie? I thought everyone pretty much gave up after Cameron couldn't do it.
I don't think it should even be done without Cameron. I suppose, though, money to be had. All I'll be able to do if it's made is just sit there and wonder what the Cameron version would be like.
I don't think any of these directors are REALLY appropriate. Sonnenfeld sounds like a Schumacher waiting to happen. Fincher: Waaaaay too brothers Quay for my liking. You want something that's good, but can also fill a multiplex. Finch isn't your guy for that.
Who was the other guy? Chris Columbus? Jeez! Where'd they dig HIM up from? He's probably only on the list because he'll work for sandwiches.
At least they didn't offer it to Tim Burton. If I have to sit and watch ONE MORE superhero in black leather getting his ass kicked for two solid hours...
(There was a Japanese Spiderman show. He had a big Robot. Everyone else had big robots. Big Robots were everywhere.)
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What the hell is Harry talking about? Marty directing Spiderman? Who would this benefit? Sure the guy needs a hit. But it's not his kind of movie. That is if you want to stay true to the story instead of having whores, inner monologues, freeze frames, baseball bats, and Joe Pesci in this movie. The best filmmaker of our generation can not do Spiderman.
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yes, 'WWW' did stink up the joint like 3 day old kitty litter, but let's point the finger directly at jon peters for that, OK? fuckin' hairdresser. sonnenfeld made 'get shorty' (pretty cool) and 'MIB' (quite cool), both of which show the kind of style the 'spiderman' movie really needs. alternative directors? you're gonna hate me for this, but maybe tony scott could give it a try. (c'mon, he's better than michael bay or simon west!) how about tsui hark? he's too cool to be hanging around with van damme! as for casting it's goddamn obvious: wes bentley is peter parker. personally, i'd rather see the 'daredevil' movie with matt damon as DD, peta wilson as elektra and marlon brando as kingpin. five-tone outta here because his spidey sense is tingling.
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He did "Get Shorty," the hilarious "Addams Family" and it's sequal, if I recall; and the stone cold kick-ass MIB, the closest thing to "Ghostbusters" we'll get in the '90's IMONSHO. So Wild Wild West was booty--whoo-hoo. One bad flick and everyone wants to lynch him! Now, where he *is* full of it is in trying to blame the net for the fact that his movie bombed. Hah! That said, I vote give the guy a chance; with a good script Mr. Sonnenfeld could turn out a Spidy film that will have everyone singing his praises again. Oh, yeah, and a Spike Lee-directed Spiderman would be pretty cool--say what you will about his other antics, the man CAN do the job in the director's chair. But no. . .don't make Spidy a brother. That would just be too many changes. . .^_^;
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Of course, the only guy who can do justice to SPIDERMAN is Woody Allen! He's great with characters who have low self-esteem (Parker runs a close second to Charlie Brown in the loser department, folks!), and he also has a thing for New York City skylines! Finally, only Woody can handle such a silly concept as a guy who purposely wears that red and blue costume!
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Barry Soddenfield??
Tim Burton????????
Why not Alan Smithee?????
If this is the state of directors for the upcoming Spiderman movie kill it now!!! Hell, I could direct the film for them at half the cost and it will be done properly too!! I hope the powers at Sony have the foresight to pick a director that 1. knows the character and 2. has the right vision for the project. Fincher is good and so is Bay for directors but please no Burton or Soddenfield. They would only do a campy version of a classic comic character. My advice, stick to the basics. Spiderman isn't a difficult character to mess up. -
Nobody would have much fun with a Sonnenfeld-Spider Man because they
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Nov 24, 1999 12:19:25 PM CST
Scorcese could do a great Spiderman...it just depends on whether
by dennis
I think inner monologues would be great in a superhero movie. What do you think goes in all those thought balloons in the comic books? Anyway, just to sign in on my BS vote, I think the Addams Family films were fun (not great), MIB was mildly entertaining (but I find Will Smith to be one of the most annoying people on the planet), and Get Shorty put me to sleep. However, none of them were bad films. And the best Elmore Leonard adaptation is Out Of Sight -- not Jackie Brown OR Get Shorty.
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Why would an A-class director who does A-class movies with A-class actors do a comic adaptation? Scorcese should not and would not waste his time with a damn popcorn blockbuster. Let
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Everyone stop pontificating, please! We all know nobody wants Barry to do this movie by now, so stop with the pithy, perfectly worded missives about how Mr. Sonnenfeld needs to have a Volkswagen shoved up his night-hole. I have already given you all the info. you need to know that this is a hoax. Everyone take a deep breath, slowly back away from the keyboard, and take the time to read what's posted here every now and again.
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...that's a wrap.
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Marty would never repeat himself (oops...well, except for all those mobster movies, that is!)--he already did a superhero film: THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST!
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Scorsces is not going to direct Spiderman, it is as likely as Woody Allen directing it. I would rather have my retinas removed with a urine drenched scalple than watch cinema's greatest contemporary artist make a summer blockbuster with a merchandise deal with McDonalds. Just face the fact that it will be directed by someone nondescript and interchangeable like Danny Cannon or Joel Schumacher
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Nov 26, 1999 11:27:12 AM CST
Spiderman, Spiderman...fries his knickers in a frying pan...
by silent_bob
Lots of characters have been completely ruined by Hollywood recently...All it needs is a director who loves comics, wants it to remain true to the comic and not expect everyone who goes to see it to be 8 years old.
PS. Who would ya rather do it Barry Sonnenfeld or Joel Schumacher...Burton should do it... -
just not chhesy like the spawn movie, but nice and dark, brooding. change peter parker to be a reluctant hero of sorts, scorned by his ability and arachnoid encounters , but hey, what the fuck, why not use them for good reasons sort of attitude?
or not even that idea, maybe just haveit be a special effects zoo with no plot at all, which is probably going to happen. NEVER MIND what drives a good movie you shitwipes at the studios, just pump the cash cow till it keels.
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