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Frank Darabont wrote, co-wrote or not-so-secretly re-wrote all six episodes of “Walking Dead’s” first season, so when a Deadline Hollywood report suggested a lot of the writing staff would be moving on to other projects, I didn’t fret much.

Charles Eglee, a writer who contributed to “Moonlighting,” “Murder One,” “Dark Angel,” “The Shield” and “Dexter,” is the biggest gun leaving the show. Subsequent reports suggest Robert Kirkman, who created the funnybook and wrote a first-seaon episode, is sticking around. Glen Mazzara, the longtime “Shield” vet who was fired as Starz’ “Crash” showrunner following its horrible first season, won’t be missed by me.

As long as Darabont didn’t fire himself, I’m confident we’re in good hands. (I remember not loving “Buffy The Vampire Slayer” until its Drusilla-infused second season -- after Joss Whedon ditched some first-season writers.)

Darabont put his name down as co-writer of tonight’s installment, titled “TS-19.” AMC describes:

Rick and the group are allowed into the CDC by a strange doctor. But all is not what it seems in their newfound haven.

Is it a good episode? Maybe its best so far. I was describing key plot points for a TV writer friend (now sworn to secrecy) who can’t watch it Sunday because he’s out of the country this weekend, and found myself greeted by a chorus of “wow,” “wow,” “CDC guy?” and “cliffhanger?” Spoilers lurk in the text invisible. * If you can’t tell from the clip, “TS” stands for “test subject.” That’s a hint of things to come. * Alcohol is served in that CDC facility, but Merle Dixon’s brother is by no means the biggest misbehaver as the survivors get hammered. * There’s a lot of talk about what happened. * Jeff DeMunn’s character has a confession. * More recurring characters exit for good. * There is no real cliffhanger; Darabont said he didn’t want to leave fans in the lurch if the series didn’t get a second season. (It received its 13-episode second-season order long after tonight’s episode was shot.) But an incredible cliffhanger could certainly have been forged from this material. Given the huge ratings this series has accrued (it hit a new high last Sunday, beat everything at 10 p.m. except NBC’s football game, and remains the highest-rated scripted series on cable), FX or Syfy or somebody needs to adapt Warren Ellis’ end-of-the-world grapic novel series FreakAngels into a TV show already.

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  • Dec. 5, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Brilliant 1st Season!

    by ArchiLeachCouldKickYourAss

    Just re-read the Compendium One of the Graphic Novel in preparation for the finale. Such a brilliant series with perfect casting for all of the principles. Very interested to see what happens tomorrow night.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that's what we need

    by daggor

    For networks to start churning out similar work as fast as possible.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Love this show

    by SavageJuicebox

    Can't wait for all the people with complaints about it to stream in here and regurgitate their bullshit.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    My only complaint is that

    by lostboytexas

    This show is fucking shit. Reminds me of prison break: another shit show I watched but have no idea why.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    "Didn't fret much."

    by VitaminZ

    You didn't fret much when he fired the writers? Darabont firing the entire writing staff was the best news we could have heard about this show. Season 1 was a mess. None of the characters were likable and the stories were garbage (e.g. a bunch of fake gangbangers defending an old folks home in a city with millions of zombies?). Even the editing and basic pacing behind the storytelling sucked. No show with zombies should suck. Hopefully Darabont can find some people to make it work by next October.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    See ya T-Dog...

    by tj donkey show

    ...and maybe Darryl. Was it just me or did anyone else think that the Latino Guy and his family were suppose to be Allen, Donna, and the twins? I find it tough to believe that Allen and company are not in the show, considering they're part of some heavy story lines from the comic.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Quick enough for u savage?

    by lostboytexas

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Slightly off topic

    by lostboytexas

    Just watched Cyrus (utter shit) and Skyline (Much better than the reviews stated). Fuck the press

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Test1

    by lostboytexas

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Tj copies what I say

    by lostboytexas

    ...and maybe Darryl. Was it just me or did anyone else think that the Latino Guy and his family were suppose to be Allen, Donna, and the twins? I find it tough to believe that Allen and company are not in the show, considering they're part of some heavy story lines from the comic.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Nevermind

    by lostboytexas

    The commenting system was being goofy.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    No FreakAngels Herc...

    by elgato73

    Be fucking ballsy and give us PLANETARY!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:41 a.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by Extr3m1st

    Kill yourself..that is all.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Disappointment...

    by LastPairOfSocks

    Had such high hopes......almost shattered. Never read the comics, mind you. Hate all the main characters, think all the actors are pretty shitty, and I don't like that gore seems to be this series selling point. The intelligence is missing (why is everyone always yelling if your supposed to stay quiet!!!) and where the FUCK is the mythology?!?!? Why is this happening? But, of course, I am watching it. I have hopes that'll carry me though six episodes and with the introduction of the CDC and the man hidden there, I was excited. But if this finale isn't shit-my-pants fantastic..... I'm out.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    LastPairOfSocks and so many who

    by elgato73

    hate this show have identified themselves as shit sucking cunts who really bring nothing intelligent to the table regarding this show or any other when its all said and done. They want to see The Walking Dead fail so they can watch more bullshit like wrestling, The Expendables, Sharktopus, and Stargate. I will never understand trolls who have nothing but disdain and create nothing but backlash for something that is creative, intelligent and brilliant like TWD. Well, you cunts don't worry. AMC will probably pull this show after the second season because they think its too expensive and then you cunts can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST

    I worry...

    by Kavalier

    About the length in between the seasons. I love Mad Men, but at least we get 13 and then the break. This show was just taking off, ratings-wise. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a drop in the viewership by next October. That's a long time.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Lost Boy

    by 2LeggedFreak

    You are setting your trolling sights on the wrong programme matey.<P> <P> Whilst you may have had a ton of things that you could wind Lost fans up on, TWD is an entirely different animal.<P> <P> And just sayings its shit isn't really a constructive argument.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Herc: Could you fix the lincoln interview, please?

    by Colonel_Blimp

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST

    In retrospect

    by Volllllume3

    First episode was fantastic, others range from mediocre to utter shit.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 4:27 a.m. CST

    In comparison

    by donkey_lasher

    This has been a LOT better than other first seasons<p> Buffy, Supernatural, Fringe come to mind.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 6:19 a.m. CST

    But it is unfair...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    To compare it to series that had to generate 13-24 episodes of content for their first season.<p> For just 6 eps I've been suprised by how unfocused the story has been, and how much could be considered "filler." I've been enjoying it, but was expecting more than the pacing of the first six eps of any other show... with the next batch a year away.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with VitaminZ

    by thefakefatshady

    The old peoples home had me hitting my own head when the granny came in and dissolved the 'tension'. Apart from that though, I'm a zombie fanatic and will pretty much jizz over anything with walking corpses. Shit, I even watched Garden Of The Dead once.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 5:47 a.m. CST

    this show is awesome...

    by SylarTheCylon

    wtf is wrong with the haters? did zombies get on the talkback or something?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Anyone who dislikes this show has ZERO f TASTE

    by quantize

    It's a masterwork..fact

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Haters of this show are hungry for BRAINS

    by quantize

    coz they aint got none.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Hopefuly...

    by dcut75

    The success of this show will get things moving on the World War Z movie. Been waiting for that for years now!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Can we have Kathy Bates as a zombie next season?

    by ISleptWithKathyBatesAndAllThatIGotWasThisStupidTalkbackName

    She can stumble after the group for the entire season as a bad momma zombie and she eats all of their food when nobody is aorund.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    No its got to be Bill Murray as Zombie

    by 2LeggedFreak

    That would be post modernist tv irony at its very best. Or maybe we could have Simon Pegg or Geroge Romero zombies.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    The only show on TV worth the time.

    by skydemon

    I'm really hating that tonight's episode is the last for a while.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Next season people won't be forgiving of the plot holes.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Right now its a fresh show with a different take, but how long can a show about zombies really keep an audience attention?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    lostboytexass

    by adml_shake

    You have to be kidding. Skyline should have been named "we had diarrhea in a movie reel tin and decided to ship it to the theaters". The movie was even worse than the reviewers stated.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Tonight Bitches!!!!

    by chainsaw_shawn

    I cant wait. im off and on vacation, i aint doing nothing except call of duty:black ops and waiting!!!! ill be back with my thoughts after 10Pm!!!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    good...get new writers

    by Rupee88

    This ones this season kinda sucked.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    In defense of Darabont, I don't think the writing

    by Dislodged

    this season has been that spectacular. It the acting, make up effects, direction and gritty realism that make this show so awesome. So shaking up the writers ain't so bad in my book

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I want a Y the Last Man series

    by boardbrtn

    'nuff said. Right?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    So glad this was a short season

    by -Halfscan-

    It's been wildly uneven, ranging from very good to flat-out unwatchable from episode to episode. <p>Really hope they take the time to jettison the crap that didn't work and make the series more consistent.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Y the Last Man

    by lostboytexas

    would have to be on HBO so we can all the lesbian loving uncut

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    adml_shake

    by lostboytexas

    Skyline was hardly the greatest sci-fi flick ever made but its far from the worst. The ending alone showed some originality. I may never rewatch it but thats not so say it doesnt deserve at least one viewing. Cyrus on the other hand, a flick that received rave reviews, was a fucking disaster and unwatchable. How can anyone put Jonah Hill and John C Reilly in a flick and fuck it up so badly?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Scumcock

    by thx185

    I agree with you completely that TWD is all about human drama against an undead backdrop. <br><br> My complaint is that the comics tell interesting stories in that setting. To me those many issues with subtle changes.. that's the part of the comics I'm calling interesting. It is <b>well done</b> character development. That's what I want to see on AMC's TWD, not action or extra zombie gore.<br><br> The show's first episode was great, and the 2nd and 3rd had some good moments. But as a whole, the last few eps have failed to capture any drama or offer any momentum of development. It has been quicksand with not a lot happening. <br><br> I'm not a hater for saying this. Darabont is not a hater for firing the writers. <br><br> Rapid defenders of this show, wake up. Darabont fired the writers.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    if Darabont wants to make the show better

    by lostboytexas

    he should fire himself and the whole fucking cast too. have someone with skill make the show.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    In defense of Darabont.

    by Sithtastic

    I don't think the man's immune to criticism. I genuinely think he's critical of his own work so he can make it better. If he has to ditch the writers, then so be it. I think the actors more than made up for some of the writing this season and that season 2 will be when the show comes into its own.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    repost: Darabont find Joe Lansdale

    by deelzbub

    great writer. great dialogue writer. great southern dialogue writer. reads authentic and true!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Last weeks ep was a snoozer.

    by Zardozap2005

    Seriously. I kept hitting fast-forward to move it along. Kept wanting to shout "GET ON WITH IT!" several times. Glad they are getting rid of the crap writers. The first two episodes were amazing, after that things got so uneven. So much potential. Oh, and bagging on Expendables and Stargate? Grow the fuck up. Stargate has thrived for over 10 years, good and bad of it, and The Expendables was a perfectly good throwback to real action movies. Don't pretend to be so stuck-up and butt-hurty. It's AICN. Puleeeze.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    2Legged...i tried to warn u aboot cowardBOYtexass...

    by jay2517

    but would u listen??? nooooooo lol. he a fucking trolling idiot. he actually does'nt even watch these shows. he just looks up the episode synopsis and then...BOOM! his most eloquent "opinion" of a show...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    lostboy

    by Bvc79

    Shut the fuck up. No one is paying attention to you. Go away.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Pushing the fast forward button repeatedly

    by pushthebuttonmax

    during a great show like this is a sign of ADD. Get yourself checked out.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Darabont is a film guy

    by Manatee

    The most important job for a television executive producer, in my mind, is to maintain quality control over the show. That means ensuring the writers, directors, editors and DP have a consistent vision. That's what I feel is missing with TWD. It's all over the place. Compare this to a show like Breaking Bad, where Vince Gilligan (a "television" guy) is completely invested in maintaining the quality of the show. While Gilligan has control over the final script, the core of writers work together when charting the season arc. I'm wondering if Darabont uses more of a "Hollywood" style of writing, where a staff writer produces the first draft, which Darabont then re-writes after the fact. Darabont is a smart guy, though. I have faith he will figure things out moving forward.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I'm not entirely taken by the CDC stuff

    by Kammich

    To be fair, they did a pretty good job of making the CDC approach and cliffhanger work. I guess as someone who has read the bulk of the comics, I was hoping this season's cliffhanger would involve something like, say... a prison? But if Kirkman trusts Darabont, then I trust Darabont. I just really, really hope they don't take until next October to kick off season 2. sad face

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Oh, and regarding the comics

    by Kammich

    Started reading them right before the show debuted, and I literally breezed through the first 40 issues in like, 3 weeks. The stuff around issues 40-47 was the most captivating comic writing I've ever experienced, and established a new bar for everyone else. But... **SPOILERS, KIND OF**... after the incredible amount of deaths to the supporting cast, and the SHOCKING(can't emphasize that enough) deaths of two of the primary characters, I've kind of shelved the book. I've only read 5 or 6 issues in the last 3 weeks. Thats how devastated I was by the shit that unfolded at the end of that arc... and I'm just not sure if the book can pull me back in after slaughtering 80% of the supporting cast. To those who have read the entire series, I ask: do I press on? I'm on issue 55... do I keep on trucking, do they possibly even get CLOSE to level of the Governor stuff after this?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The CDC plot violates the "no scientific exlanation" rule!

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I don't know about this one. It's kind of an unwritten "rule" with classic zombie movies, particularly of the Romero mold, that the science behind zombism shouldn't be fully explained.<p><p>Now, it would be cool if there was going to be a twist: Rick and his people go to the CDC, are let in by people inside who first appear to be scientists, but then it turns out they are frauds (and sadistics out to harm survivors). That would not violate the "no science" rule, but exploit it well.<p><p>Unfortunately, it looks like that Science Guy is legit, based on the video diaries he's been keeping and the work he was doing in the lab. I really don't know how I feel about this. It strikes me as amateurish and not keeping in the spirit of either the original graphic novel (which has never involved the CDC, scientists or the military) or the classic rules of zombie movies.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Whoa

    by Generalcatburd

    surpised the rating are so strong! Only provides motivation to make the second season more coherent.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Kammich: the comic after the Governor arc

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    So far the characters and plot seem to be "stuck". Supposedly, Kirkman has the entire series planned out for 150 issues. But right now it feels like he's running out of things to do with his characters. I imagine I am being oblique but I don't want to spoil anything. However, I still pick up the latest issue faithfully and quite enjoy it. It would be good to hear from others who keep up the book regularly as well, as I'd like to read their take on the current arc.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Prof: the CDC Guy could still be a fraud

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I agree with your "no science explanation" rule, but the CDC Guy could still be a fake. For example, maybe he's just some guy who broke into the abandoned facility, and his only medical knowledge is that he was a high school biology teacher? And he's been conducting experiments on his own but doesn't know jack shit. He may have only been transmitting the video journal to try to keep himself sane. Nothing is what it seems here, I'm guessing. Maybe we'll see what the truth is tonight.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Shane and Lori need to end up together ...

    by unfaithfullyyours

    ... because they're both pretty nasty. I think Rick can do better. Maybe it's me but the dynamic of Rick and Lori feels really forced. Doesn't it?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    this show is weak

    by lostboytexas

    another wasted opportunity. sigh

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I know there have been a few cringe inducing moments

    by heylookoverthere

    But I don't know how anyone could describe any of the episodes as "unwatchable" or "utter shit." <p> really the main problems are a couple of characters who probably won't make it to next season, and some clichéd writing written by people who won't be around next season.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Last week with Andrea waiting for dead sister was lame!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    1. How did she know sis was going to come back? WHAT IF Amy was immune to the disease, was she going to wait longer?<p>2. How did Andrea knew Amy was going to turn slowly? For all she could have known, Amy could've awaken fast and bitten her before she realized it.<p>3. What was up with the Hispanic and his family suddenly deciding to go alone? Did they have a plan?<p>Who in their right mind would wonder off in an apacolypse setting trying to protect the wife and kids from hordes of zombies with limited ammo?<p>4. How was leaving "turning-to-a-zombie Jim" by a tree, a good decision?<p>Anyways, I hate people getting fired but if the show wants to be considered great by AMC standards than it was necessary!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    So much doesn't make sense

    by SadTruth

    OK, I love zombie fun. Read WWZ twice and listened to the audiobook 3 times. Super stoked for this series. Now, kind of depressed. Just way too much doesn't not make any kind of sense. Yea, I can suspend disbelief with the best of them, but this series just seems to be (have been) written by the disinterested. Most of my issues have been brought up by other commenters. But my biggest is the seeming lack of resources. It's only been maybe 2 months since the end, so it clearly swept like wildfire. Sure, people would have stockpiled stuff, but they would never have used even a small percentage of it. Therefore there should be guns and ammo aplenty. There should be fuel aplenty. There should be food aplenty. There should be medicine aplenty. There is clearly military hardware and softgoods aplenty: body armor being an obvious. Why drive clunkers and an RV? Humvees are diesel and can drive through/over almost anything. Burning infrastructure. The city should have turned into a firestorm, as should any city or even medium density town. Gas stove goes up, one house goes up, chain reaction begins. Not to mention chemical holding facilities and manufacturing. I'm not going all World Without People technical here, but seriously, dismissing some basic effects of a super fast population kill-off just smack of either disinterest, or straight up ignorance. Here's to hoping Pitt takes WWZ to SHO or HBO as a series, with each episode being a direct correlation to each story in the book. It would be amazing, last several years, and satiate every geek everywhere.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Hollywood Hellraiser

    by Kammich

    1. Between everyone in the camp, its fair to assume that they'd all lost many family and friends to the zombie plague. If every single person that was bitten, thus far, has turned... why would anyone assume that their sister might--just might--be immune? Makes no sense. It was logical to expect her to turn, because everyone else has. <p> 2. Again, they've presumably seen others turn. Maybe not in the chronology of the show, but you have to remember that the zombie plague had been going on for roughly 6 weeks before episode 1 even started. Its fair to assume they understand the nature of the turn. <p> 3. They said they were looking for the wife's family. <p> 4. Because he wanted to be dropped off, and because he would've turned into an immediate, dangerous threat if they just waited for him to turn. Isn't that kinda obvious?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Kammich nice try but what you say is an excuse

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    for bad plotting.<p>But what we seen so far suggest the survivours don't know jacked about the zombies! Only that they walk around biting people.<p>Plus you can't expect the audience to fill in the holes. That what writers get paid money to do. Anything else is half-assing it!<p>Thanks for the respond, Kammich but the writers need to address these and other "assumpations" given that they're given paid good money to write storylines for the series!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Not to mention T-Dawg has the be the worse name for a tv charact

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Dude got his ass easily kick and so far seemed to be worst fighter of the group.<p>Plus it was laughable that he wanted to go back for Merle considering he kicked his ass and even spit on him!<p>No one in their right mind who just got own like T-Dawg would give a rats ass about Merle! And rightfully so.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    11 months is too long of a wait for season 2

    by InActionMan

    AMC needs to green light a two hour prequel movie to be shown in say May. Perhaps telling the stories of the characters other than Rick and how they arrived at the quarry camp. Push Mad Men's start up to mid July and start season two of TWD in September.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Plot Holes

    by ShadowVision

    I have long given up on looking for plot holes and just accept shows/movies for what they are and enjoy the entertainment. I guess if they did the things that you and I would do then there wouldn't be any tension, drama, etc. I were in that situation I would have visited every gun shop and supermarket to stockpile as much as I could. I would have also put together some kind of body armor to protect me from getting bitten when I am out in the open. The last thing I would have done is find a good transportation vehicle and make it zombie proof like they did in Zombie Land and one of Romero's recent Dead movies.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    GeneralISJackson, I agree!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    You pointed out how no one was on watch was a good point. For that little bit of zombie meele in EP4, what the survivours did before had to be ignored.<p>Same thing can applied to the Mexican family. Going off with your family instead of staying with the group? Particulary the one with most of the firearms and the experience to use it. Is that logical in any way? Who in their right mind would do this?<p>Dumb writing like that can take you outta the story if its constantly thrown in your face.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST

    ShawdowVision you seem like you would be ready...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    for the upcoming zombie apacolypse in 2012 or alien invasion, whichever comes first!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    lol.."cant expect the audience to fill in the holes"...

    by jay2517

    i know ur stupid in alot of areas Hollywood but, this takes the cake lol. i guess u NEED entire episodes devoted to ur ignorance?? idiot fuckers like urself need to stop watching anything and find a hobby. like ive said before...go fucking watch some CSI/Matlock reruns if u need everything slowly explained to u little guy ok??

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Hollywood

    by Kammich

    "But what we seen so far suggest the survivours don't know jacked about the zombies! Only that they walk around biting people." <p> They know more than that. They know you need to pierce the brain to kill them. They know you only turn if you're bitten. They know the zombies sense you by smell and not so much sound or movement. Rick is the only one who literally woke up in the middle of the havoc. He's the narrative focus, which means us, the viewers, are his extension(hence why some of the zombie details are left vague to the audience). However, its perfectly reasonable to assume that all of the other supporting characters know quite a bit about the experience. They were all conscious through the initial breakout, the military strikes, the city evacuations, etc etc. There's no need for the writers to jam in a bunch of zombie exposition when its already logical(if you've seen or read any other zombie yarn) to assume much of it. <p> And don't get me wrong, there have definitely been a few plot holes. Continuity and logical lapses are bound to happen in the context of a show like this... I just thought the specific ones you pointed out weren't really "plot holes," so much as general gripes.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    As I said before -- shouldn't have shown CDC guy

    by CountryBoy

    That removed all tension from their approach to the CDC. It would've been WAY better to have Rick screaming at that huge door, with no response, wondering if there was anyone there or not...<p>And then the door opens.<p>Fade out.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    BTW- im sure if they explain EVERYTHING at the CDC tonight...

    by jay2517

    u idiot fuckers will STILL complain aboot that. wahhh! that answer makes no sense! it doesnt jive with how I would handle a FICTIONAL zombie ipopyolips!! what the FUCK IS IT with u idiot AICN crybabies????

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    My god, people like jay2517 don't get banned?

    by SadTruth

    Instant banhammer for loop job infants?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Kammich, those can considered gripes I guess...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    but I do think they veered into plotholes. You make good points, but that only prove they still know ver little.<p>I can accept that as they(we) will learn more as well.<p>GeneralISJackson, I still see the Mexican family going off by themselves as dumb and illogical. Like you said, at least they could have waited til they have gotten more supplies and a safer locale.<p>I suspect the Mex family was left for budget reasons.<p>Jay2517 can't debate so he namecalls like an immature idiot!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Winnie hose

    by RottNElsewhere

    Ok so the RV blows a hose, somebody says there's a gas station down the road. Next thing you know they're leaving that guy tied to a tree, driving away all happily re-hosed. There was once another earlier similar movie where they blew shooting a beautiful action scene in a gas station - but at least Duane Jones relived it for us. NIGHT of course didn't have the budget for it. These guys -shame shame.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    No, SadTruth, the site runs on them.

    by blackwood

    Apt name, btw.<P>I dig the show. It can be affecting and creepy all at once, which is cool. It might not make ruler-straight science-perfect sense all the time, but I do think it's really honest about people, and how people act, and how people would act in this situation. And that's the most important thing in storytelling.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Kammich

    by VitaminZ

    "They know the zombies sense you by smell and not so much sound or movement." Actually they made a big deal in the first two episodes of showing the zombies being attracted to sound (the car alarm, the gunshots). Then two episodes later, the writers completely forgot about that. The gunshots at the end of episode 4 didn't attract more zombies, nor did the gunshot when Andrea shot her zombie sister. The other characters didn't even seem worried about the possibility of more zombies showing up when these things happened. It's just one of the many examples of this show having some of the most inconsistent logic of any show ever, and why the entire writing staff absolutely deserved to be fired.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    CDC

    by Dlgothv

    This entire plotline with the CDC is really irritating me in the fact that in the comics, there's speculation among the survivors as to how it all started, but none of them are scientists or military or etc. All they know was what was speculated by the news and outlets and hearsay. Other than that, their primary goal above all others was to get to safety and protect their loved ones. Now I agree, is it the wisest choice to take your family and split off from the main group? Probably not, but hey, they wanted to seek out other family members. That makes sense to me. Not that it would have been my personal choice, unless I was stranded from my sister and I felt reasonably compelled that she got to safety to seek her out. Leaving Jim by the side of the road? It happened that way in the comics, and you can't just straight up murder the poor guy, as he poses no immediate threat to you or your group as he leave in the dust. As far as Andrea waiting for Amy to turn, yeah, it goes against her character in the comics, but hey, they are all still figuring things out, exploring their survivor instincts and aren't the hardcore motherfuckers many of them have become as the comics have progressed. I feel that a lot of the gripes here are people bitching about what "they" would do in these scenarios. Like Shadowvision stated above about guns, supplies, and armoring vehicles. Um, you know anything about welding? How about car weight and tires and traction? Body armor? Where are you going to find it? How are you going to wear it in 100 degree plus weather? Just saying guys, it's easy to speculate on how you would go about things, but it's not like all these fabulous supplies are just laying around and all this knowledge about defenses and island fortresses and armored vehicles, well, these survivors on the show are living out of an RV because basically those are the only things they were able to have at the time. Anyways, my rant is over, I'm enjoying this little marathon before the season finale. The long wait until Season 2 will not be comfortable...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Anyone who says.....

    by Shakeshift

    ... Body armor, heavy vehicles, and abundant gasoline will all be available when things go to shit is talking right out of their mom's basement. None of that will be available in easy supply, and I will remind them that this is NOT a fucking videogame, where there are first-aid health packs and clips of ammo everywhere. All the people who think that it wouldn't be hard to survive after the apocalypse would the very FIRST wimps who get killed in an actual apocalypse.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Survivors really "talk things out" quite a bit, don't they?

    by BurnHollywood

    Darabont seems to be a disciple of the "chatty exposition" school of screenwriting...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Half-Assed Commitment's Walking Dead Episode Guide

    by SteadyUP

    http://tinyurl.com/35cwws3

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    how the hell do u debate with AICN idiots??

    by jay2517

    u cant lol! what the fuck is there to debate over??? how u internet rambos would "kick ass" in a real zombie attack lol???? any "debate" with u crybabies just results in...yea BUT that doesnt make sense...yadda yadda. the only reason u idiot crybabies can "debate" the show is because its FICTION! anyone can make up shit to refute a show aboot something that is not real lol. guess what crybabies...Arnold isnt really a terminator and the Matrix doesnt exist...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    damn...coaxial is still wiggy...

    by jay2517

    my post showed up way up there...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    damn...

    by TheJudger

    Shane did try to save Rick...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    An A.I.?

    by pushthebuttonmax

    Seriously?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Love the fugly wife blaming Shane for leaving Rich.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    She knew she fucked the other guy and now feeling guilty so she putting it all off on Shane.<p>BTW, the CDC is what LOST response for answers. Most tv shows have to have to element in order for their to be an ongoing element in seeking the truth or mastermind behind such events.<p>The comics don't have to do this because some storylines can go on for years, but tv shows cannot and there has to be an ending.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Switching between this and The Venture Bros.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    VB is easily the best thing on right now.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Talkbacks are fucked

    by halowiscious

    I just don't understand how any of you pompous ingrates can cornhole, shitbag, and generally assrape a highly unique television show like The Walking Dead just 6 episodes in. It's pretty much an experiment and so far other than The Fringe and Dexter, is the best shit on the tube right now. Nothing like this has been done before. Yeah, with Lost you had a huge show with a known beginning and finite loosely written ending. You had all sorts of writers filling in the blanks episode to episode, doing whatever the fuck they wanted, and you pretty much were on the edge of your seat because somehow the human brain really likes to be confused as fuck, and severely messed with. Yes, Lost was a pretty amazing ride, but totally failed pretty much all of the viewers with half a brain in the end. Holy shit, I wanted to kill someone after I realized what was going on. I felt like a frog in a boiling pot of water! Low key and dismal. What is really cool about The Walking Dead, is that it will open up doorways for all sorts of interesting stories that are too long to make it into movie theaters, and that need to be told in this serialized form, and can have strong language and show some pretty grisly gore. The Stand would be done properly for once. Hell, any of Stephen King's Novels would be amazing as a series. The Tommyknockers, and even The Talisman would make excellent television in an ongoing series. The Gunslinger Series would fit this mode perfectly. I think The Walking Dead is doing amazing so far, and I hope when October rolls along, that the second season steamrolls the series along with the creators of the comic until the bitter end. All of you naysayers, and sit-com watchers can lick my taint. Lets say this series catches on and goes for several seasons to a finale that makes perfect sense. The next time someone pitches another excellent storyline, maybe it will be welcomed with open arms. This series, if successful, will open many more doors for more of these sorts of stories to become available to the public. Please give it some time. If it really does result in a shitfest and a pile of unrecognizable shit, then I will lick my own taint, and that will be that.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Whine, whine, whine! Please don't talk about my show!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    GTFO you pussies!!! You so scared that your "fave" is flaw that you cann't accept critcism? They why not go to a fanforum and kiss the ass of other fans who like your "fave" shows!<p>This is AICN and not some fan forum for pussies!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    People up in arms about the CDC are assuming

    by TheJudger

    it will answer the why. The why will not be told. What they did show us just explains the nature of it- How it sets in and what it does to the host. That doesnt ruin anything.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    hollywoodhellraiser sucks dick

    by halowiscious

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Ha ha ha!!! The standard respond from a whiner!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    LOL I expected it and this idiot didn't disappoint!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    It sets the air on fire yo

    by pushthebuttonmax

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Ha ha ha!!! Standard response from a whiner.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Can't say this ep is all that great. Just talky and heavy-handed.<p>Looks like the zombies at the budget so they put everyone in a room and called it an episode.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Hollywoodhellraiser speaks the truth

    by lostboytexas

    The criticisms are hitting home, that's why these people are so upset. Everyone just man up and admit that this show could have been soooo much better. TVs not dead though, Boardwalk Empire is fucking awesome. See? It can be done

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    The guys proving to be bigger wimps than the women!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    How patethic! It was a good moment and sorta realistic considering the circumstances. But the guys are just pussies.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Here, I found this grenade

    by lostboytexas

    Maybe it will help?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I know what he whispered

    by lostboytexas

    He said "were all getting fired after this episode"

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    hey fuckhead ( Bollywoodsmellraiser and lostbagboylexus), read m

    by halowiscious

    lol, most likely another fat hemmorhoid infested, zit piled, greasy, illiterate excuse for a monkey with absolutely no taste. No wonder you guys troll these talkbacks. You have no life!!! Bed sores on your ass from sitting in your spinny chairs. Eating Ding-dongs and twinkies, and watching "biggest Loser," and masturbating because you are pretty confident that you would do a better job on this show or that. Lol, balding and lonely. Go watch Star Wars and Stargate and jerk yourselves into a coma. Seriously, the world will be better off.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Yup, the grenade thing was very convenient.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Sure we knew Rick had it but all of a sudden the beaten wife had it on her? What person, especially a woman would go around with a grenade?<p>Too bad abou the black lady being killed off! Funny how all of a sudden she wanted to die. 3-4 episodes before she wanted to live and not she wants to die because of what happen to Amy? More BS writing!<p>Too bad because I think she was a better fit for the show than that worthless T-Dawg and a better actor too!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    It was OK

    by memento108

    It was a serviceable season finale. Not bad, not great, but definitely a lot to improve on in season 2. That being said, I think he whispered that he saw Shane and Lori on camera and what Shane tried to do. Dont get me wrong, I love the show, but I think sticking more closely to the comic would have done this show a great service. The tangents they've run off on (nursing home vatos, Merle, CDC) weren't in my opinion acceptable substitutes for scenarios early on in the comic.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Funny one, Lostboytexas! LOL

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    That would be hilarious if that was true.<p>I'm thinking he told Rick that he finger bang his dead wife! Hence the surprise look from Rick! LOL

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    halowiscious

    by lostboytexas

    quit projecting your life on others. Some of us are actually leading very wonderful lives. thanks for playing

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    What Jenner whispered

    by Dlgothv

    Im speculating here, but probably what is confirmed in the comics, that is, bites and scratches don't matter, the virus or whatever is already infecting them, when they die, they turn. The world is fucked... <P> Also, maybe, go to DC, they may have a hold out fortress there (current comic storyline)...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    If I could stay awake long enough

    by halowiscious

    I would watch the rest of Boardwalk Empire. However, I need something a little more interesting than prohibition and whoring, and double dealing, and ancient politics to keep me interested. Lol, Canadian booze has always been the best shit anyway. Look at all that Canadian Club in the opening. That show is pretty much devised for stupid idiots to watch and talk about at work the next day so that they can somehow feel like thay have one more brain cell than a cow. Talk about long and drawn out. Maybe it will actually get a little more interesting by season 5. Hey, boneheads can have their own opinions though. By all means watch shows that you really only like because of the full frontal nudity. Big fucking deal. By all means means, go ahead and watch garbage and then rant about how cool you think it is. Not my ball of wax.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    YOU LIE

    by halowiscious

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    HollywoodHellraiser

    by lostboytexas

    I like your idea better, he probably saw the altercation on one of the security cams.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Andrea

    by VitaminZ

    Was everyone else disappointed when she found her will to live?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    the all time...

    by cocolopez

    ...worst and most awkward placement of a Bob Dylan song. That said- considering how shit the last 4 episodes was- it was definitely an improvement- though that really isn't saying much at all. I won't exactly be waiting on my haunches for season II to arrive.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    by halowiscious

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    by halowiscious

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Well i just seen it!

    by chainsaw_shawn

    Alot of things happened. The shane and lori thing, damn shane, you gotta die homie!!! tried to rape your best friends wife, your former jump off. Leave her alone! damn I understood the whole contingency plan over at the cdc. They usually have things like that in case of outbreak. But unlike resident evil there should have been a way to override the clock. shame they didnt find a cure. I think the next stop for them would be washington or something close to that. If this story does deviate from the comics, that's where i would point them... Didnt they mention that there would be military bunkers somewhere? Also poor black lady vaporized... damn gonna miss you...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    See the CDC did nto ruin the mystery..

    by TheJudger

    Our characters looked for the best possible hope. It did not work. They got to see what the "Event" does, but answers about it where it came from or what caused it were not given. <P>The whisper, oh that whisper.. Is it what I think it is. We'll have to wait a whole year to find out. I'm not going to jump to conclusions. Conclusion before answers is what most of the complainers are using for fuel around here. Everyone thought the CDC would ruin the mystery and explain everything. Nope. <P> Keep the faith peoples. <P> The blood tests run to see if the group was infected. Does cause me to wonder now about the people who die naturally, and if they return <P>Jenner said some of the other scientist killed themselves. If a normal death can make you come back to life in the comics. Then one of those suicidal scientist would have returned- Unless they all shot themselves in the head. Just because Jenner and his blood experiment can attest to a particular cellular change that is present after an infection caused by a bite- doesn't mean it's certain proof that everyone isn't already infected in a way that is untraceable through this same kind of test. <P> We'll see.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    See the CDC didnt ruin the mystery or explain the cause

    by TheJudger

    Our characters looked for the best possible hope. It did not work. They got to see what the "Event" does, but answers about it where it came from or what caused it were not given. <P>The whisper, oh that whisper.. Is it what I think it is. We'll have to wait a whole year to find out. I'm not going to jump to conclusions. Conclusion before answers is what most of the complainers are using for fuel around here. Everyone thought the CDC would ruin the mystery and explain everything. Nope. <P> Keep the faith peoples. <P> The blood tests run to see if the group was infected. Does cause me to wonder now about the people who die naturally, and if they return <P>Jenner said some of the other scientist killed themselves. If a normal death can make you come back to life in the comics. Then one of those suicidal scientist would have returned- Unless they all shot themselves in the head. Just because Jenner and his blood experiment can attest to a particular cellular change that is present after an infection caused by a bite- doesn't mean it's certain proof that everyone isn't already infected in a way that is untraceable through this same kind of test. <P> We'll see.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    My post wont show

    by TheJudger

    why?

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST

    TheJudger

    by lostboytexas

    your post is probably up near the top, the commenting systems been fucked for a while

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    the CDC did not ruin the mystery or explain the cause

    by TheJudger

    Our characters looked for the best possible hope. It did not work. They got to see what the "Event" does, but answers about it where it came from or what caused it were not given. <P>The whisper, oh that whisper.. Is it what I think it is. We'll have to wait a whole year to find out. I'm not going to jump to conclusions. Conclusion before answers is what most of the complainers are using for fuel around here. Everyone thought the CDC would ruin the mystery and explain everything. Nope. <P> Keep the faith peoples. <P> The blood tests run to see if the group was infected. Does cause me to wonder now about the people who die naturally, and if they return <P>Jenner said some of the other scientist killed themselves. If a normal death can make you come back to life in the comics. Then one of those suicidal scientist would have returned- Unless they all shot themselves in the head. Just because Jenner and his blood experiment can attest to a particular cellular change that is present after an infection caused by a bite- doesn't mean it's certain proof that everyone isn't already infected in a way that is untraceable through this same kind of test. <P> We'll see.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    halowiscious...

    by Bunger!

    huzzah, encore! huzzah and again!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    RANDOM COMMENT INSERTION

    by lostboytexas

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  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    lostboytexas is a dorklord...

    by Bunger!

    ... buy I'm a fan! woooooohoooooo!!!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    It's amazing that no one knows what he whispered

    by gooseud

    Have you not read the comics? For those who have.....he ran a blood test on everyone in the group. What do you think that BLOOD TEST might show about one particular person?? Think about the comics, peeps, and what was revealed right around this time in them. And as far as any complaints about lack of zombies: get used to it. The big arc that was upcoming in the comics around this time featured virtually no zombies for 10 or 12 issues, thats a year in real time if you had been reading them at the time. You can make many criticisms of the show, some of which are valid, but lack of zombies isnt one of them. If hardcore zombie action is your goal, you WILL be let down by this TV series and the source material.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    follow up to what JEnner whispered

    by gooseud

    it WASNT that he saw Shane try to rape Lori. That isnt it. Alot of the TBs are actually going to hate what it is when its revealed, actually, now that I think about it. Your going to hate it, just prepare yourselves.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    gooseud

    by lostboytexas

    good call, she's pregnant.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I was disappointed that Andrea wanted to live...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    as she a downer of a character and likes to point her weapon at the good guy!<p>Very predictable that she didn't die.<p>And the old guy is starting to annoy as well. Seem like he the all sounding voice of reason and nobody can proceed util he gives his worldly advice.<p>Sad about the black lady as I thought she was ok.<p>And again she wanted to live 3 episodes ago and now she wants to die? Pure BS! I thought her willpower was stronger than Andrea by far.<p>This ended up being another Heroes 1st season finale! Nice setup for the season finale but poorly executed leading to a dismal disappointing season finale.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Posting this again because this talkback is wonky.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I was disappointed that Andrea wanted to live too. She a downer of a character and likes to point her weapon at the good guy! Very predictable that she didn't die. And the old guy is starting to annoy as well. Seem like he the all sounding voice of reason and nobody can proceed util he gives his worldly advice. Sad about the black lady as I thought she was ok. And again she wanted to live 3 episodes ago and now she wants to die? Pure BS! I thought her willpower was stronger than Andrea by far. This ended up being another Heroes 1st season finale! Nice setup for the season finale but poorly executed leading to a dismal disappointing season finale.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    code word for the night?!?!?

    by cheetorx

    what was the code word for tonight's episode?? I didn't see it!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Give it time

    by gooseud

    if its like the comic, Andrea turns into one of the best characters on the show

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Hey GeneralJSJackson.

    by elgato73

    Are you a cunt or do you just play one on here? I bet you like to take it up the ass from your mommy, don't you while she reads you back issues of The Walking Dead. That's why you hate this series so much. Seriously, you and the rest of the cunts out there won't be satisfied until this television series dies. Hey, it's just honest criticism baby. If you can't stand it, by all means rub peanut butter on your dick and try to stick your head down there to lick it off.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Brilliant?

    by TheRevenge

    It's not brilliant. It's serviceable at best. <br> <br> Just because zombies are in and and you LOVE zombies doesn't automatically make it a good show. The zombies have never been the problem. The plot has never been the problem. The scenarios have never been the problem. <br> <br> The problem is that the characters are unlikable and not one of them (besides Rick) is someone I'd care to watch over and over again and follow along with. They're selfish, rude, boorish, stupid, naive, and make jarringly bad decisions. <br> <br> Look at Andrea and Amy. I was glad Amy died (she was insufferable) and was cheering when it looked as if Andrea would, too. She's just not a likable character. Look at what a twat she was when saying "We didn't come here for the eggs". Really? Because I could've sworn they just got done saying your ass hadn't eaten in DAYS, you ungrateful bitch. Everyone has lost someone, most of the world is dead, and Andrea is waking around as if she's the only person whom it has affected. WHY ON EARTH should we feel anything for her? We weren't made to like her from the moment we met her, waving a gun around and acting like a dick. Just putting people in front of us and showing death around them isn't enough to make us CARE ABOUT THEM. All it does is make the people "red shirts". <br> <br> Why should we care that the black chick died? We didn't even know her name. Did we? Maybe. But we knew NOTHING about her. She showed up every episode and said something pointless like "Is this the wrath of God?". Yawn. When she died, I thought, "One less pointless character that was only filler or zombie food anyway". <br> <br> For all of you who just mindlessly insult people who criticize the show...how about this: Answer the criticisms. Have a dialogue instead of just mindlessly insulting the people who want to actually discuss the show. I'm not some blind "Hater". I want to LOVE this show. I DID LOVE THE PREMIERE. But it has just been one long bitchfest of annoying characters continuing to be annoying. I don't care about the lack of action, the lack of gore, the plot...any of that...that's all fine. What I care about is the awful dialogue being said by awful characters. <br> <br> I want to DISCUSS what I see as flaws...not be insulted for it. So, if you want to give me good arguments for the things I see as weak, I'm all for it. But to sit there and insult the intelligence of those who see it as having problems is just shitty. And stupid. And wake up, while you're at it. Critics are turning on the show, too. People are divided about it all over the place. And I see really good points being brought up that you loyalist ignore just so you can insult the viewer. <br> <br> And, in case no one noticed...it took 6 episodes and a finale for this show to get anywhere. We met (and lost) a handful of lame stereotypes that we still know almost nothing about. And why does it matter? They're not likable. <br> <br> What is good in a comic is NOT always good on the screen. They aren't the same medium. Maybe these characters rocked on the page...but on the screen? They're tiresome, selfish, and lame. I keep wondering how so many incompetent people managed to survive THIS LONG? How'd the wife-beater and his stupid wife and their pointless kid manage to survive and find the others? How'd the token black chick survive and find others? T-Dawg? The old man? Because if their behavior had been anything like what we have been SHOWN, it's a miracle they found their way out of their houses.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    The Phantom Menace/Walking Dead

    by TheRevenge

    This reminds me of, hours after I saw "Phantom Menace", people were insulting those of us who thought the movie wasn't very good. It was a "Star Wars" film, so it MUST be great. Well, it wasn't and history has shown how we all see it now. Just like history will show that "TWD" has a lot of potential but, right now, they're not living up to it.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    plot hole....

    by bames_jond

    Didn't love 1st season, didn't hate it, but....wouldn't the zombie plague eventually peter out? The zombies would rot into nothing but bones and when the nervous system that is running these machines deteriorated no zombies. So the morbid question is, however long it takes a human body to decompose to a state where the central nervous system is shot is however, long the plague would last from the last infected human. I am guessing not more than a year -so that is as long as these people need to hole up to outlast it. Seems far from hopeless to me.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    LOL you seriously gotta loved these pathetic whiners.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Their so gay that they constantly want things done to their dicks! And go into detail about such acts all under the guise of getting upset if some critcized their fave shows.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Good finale... but imho Terriers is still the best show on TV

    by AshokForgiven

    After watching thru all these "brilliant" TV shows like Dexter, Boredwalk Empire, and The Walking Dead... imho the only truly brilliant show this year is Terriers. Please FX, don't cancel this!!!!

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Good call, The Revenge.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Nice criticism that I doubt few can/will answer.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    TheRevenge

    by gooseud

    SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER They dont. Your right. They are incompetent, and everyone dies. All characters you see in the show, or were introduced in the comic by this point or in the near future, get killed. All of them. In the interest of avoiding ALL spoilers, I will say Rick survives, and 4 other characters, one of whom hasnt been introduced yet but is a MAJOR character and fan fave. The only reason Rick and these other characters survive is because they are the ones willing to descend into complete and utter amoral cold blooded savagery to destroy all who would stand in their way. Rick Grimes gradually evolves into the biggest vold blooded bad ass this side of Mad Max. Im not sure if this makes you feel better or worse about the series, but thats where all of this is leading.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    TheRevenge

    by Quadrillionaire

    You are a fool. There hasn't been anything on the Walking Dead so far as horrible as Jar Jar, Midichlorians, pod racing, and Anakin shouting Yippppeee

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Code word was: NIGHTMARE

    by cookepuss

    They left it til the very end of the credits. I almost missed it myself too.<p><p> Good ep. I had totally forgotten about the grenade too. Glad to see that the writers didn't. Now, if only we'd get more Merle in the coming season. Love to hate that bastard. =)

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    The journey of Rick

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    MORE SPOILERS...SORT OF! I love how he basically becomes a villain in the eyes of other survivors, he's very dangerous and willing to kill any one he sees fit.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Again with the messed up TB?

    by cookepuss

    I thought last night's SNL thread was a fluke. Fuck this. I'm gonna wait til shit gets sorted out before posting again.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Gooseud

    by TheRevenge

    I read the first few issues of the comic (I'll get around to reading all of it) and liked it. But the show simply isn't as well written. Of course, like I said, the two mediums aren't nearly as interchangeable as we wish they were. <br> <br> But, again, I'm mostly have problems with the fact that I don't care about these people. If the season had been longer, perhaps. But with only the 6, I had no time to get to know them past their whiny selves so, when they were killed, I didn't care. That's bad writing, not bad viewing. The comics are written well...The series is written mediocre. Loved the premiere...but it has been testing my nerves since then.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Ashok

    by JFilm101

    Nice to hear someone else mention just how good the show Terriers has been; I've LOVED it myself!! Which of course means at the most it'll MAYBE get one more season (I hope)! For all the haters of Walking Dead here you should feel grateful that any basic cable channel has stepped up to the plate for a program like this in the first place. I'm sure that the show will find a much more consistent footing now that they have breathing room with the greenlighting of a full season next year. Just my two pesos ...

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Doneskies

    by LastPairOfSocks

    I tried it, but I don't like it. For lovers of this show I recommend a book called "The Passage" by Justin Cronin. That book represents all I could hope for with this series. Maybe because I read that first, I couldn't dig something less than stellar. I don't know. Enjoy it to all who stick around.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    TheRevenge

    by VitaminZ

    That was easily the best and most cogent analysis of this show that I have ever read. Well done.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    It's entirely fair to criticise the show

    by blackwood

    I think it's somewhat less fair when that criticism is really just an all out verbal character assault on anyone who may like it. This isn't war, folks, it's a show, and props to TheRevenge for being classy about his dissent.<p>I wouldn't say it's 'exceptionally' written, but I don't think it's utter dreck, either. I buy most of the characters. I buy Andrea's arc, largely because I think Laurie Holden is great at selling it. I don't have to like any of these people to find them believable, or think their situation is worth watching. Dale is tiresome, T-Dawg is tiresome, abused lady with the hand grenade is tiresome. But in life people are tiresome. It's not a deal-breaker for me. I like Rick and Shane, I think the Dixons are interesting, and Glenn is fantastic.<p>I'll keep watching next season. They deviated from the comics a whole bunch, which is fine for a mini, but I'd love for them to follow more beats from the source because it's get harrowing and genuinely feels like no one (except Rick) is 'safe'. My worry for the future is that they will not be brave with this cast, because everyone who has died so far has been a 'low-investment' character. That's not the book. I understand things need to be cut for the sake of adaptation, but if the second season keeps people safe the show will have failed.<p>But I want to see what happens. And, of course, Michonne.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    The Passage

    by halowiscious

    Seriously, I read it. Pretty good, but not really a good Vampire novel. It's more like a plague story. Cronin ripped off many genres and writers for his novel. The Stand being the most obvious rip. Not a stellar novel at all. I got through it, but once it immediately time travelled 80 years into the future and stayed there, the book became something else. Something I didn't like as much.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, midnight CST

    The part in "The Passage"

    by halowiscious

    Where Amy just up and leaves The FBI guy Wolghast, to die from radiation sickness. She just fucking leaves him there and he's calling her name into the woods. It made me kind of sick of the main character and really, she really didn't do anything special in the whole novel.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    General@$#%^!&#

    by halowiscious

    I was talking about the uniqueness, and the coolness of that kind of show, not how many flaws it has. Give me a break.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    LOL...rational debate with idiots...

    by jay2517

    cant happen with u idiot fukwads. U FUCKING CRYBABIES DONT LIKE A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G. any rational retort back will be met by...thats just another excuse for bad writing/plotting blah blah. u fucking FEAST on negativity of all things tv/movie related. u crybabies are fucking lame in the most extreme sense lol...pitiful really. why cant u just DO SOMETHING that makes u happy?? why try to infect normal people with ur sorry, hate filled lives???

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Jay!

    by halowiscious

    Go Jerk off if you can't say or do anything constructive. Splooge on your cat. Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and splooge in the wife's hair. She always wakes up totaly shocked and screamy and I just go back to sleep and pretend I was unconscious all along. I do that about three times a month.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Wow... Sorry about the quad post

    by TheJudger

    I didn't know the talkback was messed up. I thought my ISP was acting up. Great show, cant wait till next year. Hopefully there will be lots of "Making Of" stuff on the net, when they start shooting again. <P> Would love to see George A. Romero directing an episode with Rob Zombie playing an actual Zombie- scored by Goblin. Ha! <P> Damn... 11 months is too long :(

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Wow... Sorry about the quad post

    by TheJudger

    I didn't know the talkback was messed up. I thought my ISP was acting up. Great show, cant wait till next year. Hopefully there will be lots of "Making Of" stuff on the net, when they start shooting again. <P> Would love to see George A. Romero directing an episode with Rob Zombie playing an actual Zombie- scored by Goblin. Ha! <P> Damn... 11 months is too long :(

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Hollywood Hellraiser - be glad she survived

    by MrD

    If they follow her arc in the comic, she becomes a much stronger character following the loss of her sister, and is one of the few "starters" still alive and well 7 years into the series.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    I don't get the bad reactions here...

    by jerseycajun

    Granted opinions are never going to be unanimous and I'd be wary if they were, but still...<br></br><br></br>And as for comparisons between fan reactions on Phantom Menace and this show? Menace had built in expectations that led to a false positive reaction. Most of the viewers of the show haven't even read the comics, unless you think it can get these ratings only on fans of the graphic novel. What grabbed my attention the whole episode and for most of the six episodes is the quality of the writing (Parts of "Vatos" and "Guts" notwithstanding). Tonight's episode contained so many great character moments adding real depth and yet making each one more of a clear and distinct personality that I'd have to watch it again to count them. Tightly written, great stuff.<br></br><br></br>What kind of television do the detractors watch which they think blows this out of the water?

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    That was like, one of the best epidodes of ANYTHING. EVER.

    by zillabeast

    Take your star cast and putting them in this surreal enviornment that's a larger stage than anything they've been on. THAT is how you pay off a season's worth of watching. Even if it was only six weeks.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST

    3 times a month??

    by jay2517

    u need to up her dosage lol! thats what i used...err...thats what my BUDDY told me he used to do...

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    true true cajun...

    by jay2517

    PLEASE...for the love of GOD/NON-ENTITY...tell us what IS GOOD/PERFECT TV FOR U IDIOTS COMPLAINERS??? im sure those examples will be without any "flaws" or "slight imperfections"...

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Good finale and a "Fuck you!" to the fans of the books.

    by jsarnold513

    Seriously. I was very apprehensive about the CDC angle, but it was done very well and Jenner was the best written character we've gotten in forever. It was also good to see Shane shown in a more sympathetic light. Still though... <p> 1.) Shane lives. T(oken)-Dawg lives. Tyrese will probably never show up. That sucks! <p> 2.) Andrea still sucks on the show and will never live up to her badass counterpart from the comic. I still think that combining her with Carol, who was pretty much the anti-Andrea, was a horrible mistake. It's like she only has two speeds: "boring" and "bitch." <p> I'm not going to nitpick because a show I like went out on a high note tonight, but the writing's got to get better. They've got characters from the comic who'd be great on TV if this show decided to go with a grittier tone, but they've still been passing them up to focus on redshirts. I just don't get it.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST

    AshokForgiven

    by The McPoyle Clan

    After a so-so start, I thoroughly enjoyed the first season of Terriers. The characters had depth, and by the time of the finale, the elements of the season's arc dovetailed nicely while providing an intro for what was to come.<p><p>Sadly, it will probably be the only season. The finale had the 2nd highest ratings for the series, but the audience was still fewer than a million.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Curious...

    by The McPoyle Clan

    Were Lennie James' character and his son in the comic? I'm curious as to whether they were integral and might appear on the show again after their cameo in the pilot.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Why does Jenner...

    by DrMorbius

    tell them that there is hot water for showers but...don't waste it!<p><p>He is well aware of the impending conflagration so why should he care?<p><p>I believe when Jenner whispered into Ricks ear, he said...<p><p>'Rosebud'

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Oh, and

    by The McPoyle Clan

    The Terriers episode exploring the history the duo, "Sins of the Past," was probably the best single episode of any new show this season.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for this show to hit it's stride...

    by nopix

    Tonight was good but also a little cliche. Now that we've established just how fucked up the world has become, things should start to get really interesting. The opening flashback was the best part of this episode. This show is aces when it focuses on characters making crazy decisions and/or being forced to do crazy shit in the name of survival. This show needs to get bat-shit insane and really fuck with it's characters.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST

    People that moan about deviations from the comic.

    by boosebaster

    Er...if you've read the comic why the fuck would you always want to know what's going to happen next? I despair, I really do.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST

    This show is really, really great.

    by AsimovLives

    I can't praise this high enough.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 5:31 a.m. CST

    For those of you complaining about the debate...

    by kells

    ...maybe now you're starting to see just how badly electronic media and a prevailing culture of "everyone is a valid critic" is dumbing down the state of discourse in this country.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    The only disappointing thing is...

    by Lashlarue

    I have to wait a whole fucking year for this show to come back on!<p> In the words of Jack Bauer...Dammit!

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Terriers looks good, and I wanna see it

    by memento108

    But best show on tv? Sorry, one season isn't enough for that distinction. Same for Boardwalk. Breaking Bad is probably it, or Mad Men....or Dexter

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    must try harder.

    by mynamesdan

    for the source material (7/10) and the budget (8/10) this show should be much more interesting. <p> (5/10) try harder next year.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Loved the series, not a big fan of last nights

    by parissun

    episode. First time this season. This is a great season and I'll miss not seeing it on Sundays. But have to say I was disappointed that they decided to reveal so much about the process of zombification and give us the whole resident evil aspect of the show. The thing I loved about the comic was that this small group of survivors were wandering and trying to survive. They didn't know what was going on globally. They didn't know what was going on with Washington. It gave the story such a bleak feel. Not knowing if you might be the last 10,000, 1000 or 100 people left on the planet. And the have them show up just when the building was a day away from blowing up felt like made up tension. Still love all the charactes though. I wonder if the writers wrote this episode thinking that AMC would pick them up for another six episodes this season. It didn't really feel like a finale. Waiting till the end of next year is just a bad decision IMO but I don't make the big money to make those decision. So, see you next year.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Some observations

    by gooseud

    1. According to Kirkman, Tyreese IS going to be his own character (hopefully played by Cutty from the Wire), therefore T-Dawg or whoever is probably toast. 2. Dale is actually more palatable in the show. In the comic he is pretty much insufferable dead weight. So for the Dale haters, you have no idea how good you have it. 3. Everyone is right, Andrea is 5000 times cooler in the comic. 4. I'm a big fan of the show and HUGE fan of the comic, but obviously going to the CDC was just as big a mistake as the critics predicted. It added nothing to the show and just created artificial tension. I think now that Darabont knows there will be a season 2,3,4, and whatever, he can relax and pace the show a bit better. 5. NOpix, if you like situations that force the characters to make crazy decisions, your going to LOVE whats coming next season.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    A bit dissapointed.

    by David Cloverfield

    Still cool show. But there was some really stupid things in the last ep. It's waaay more comic booky than the comic book itself. Female computer voice interface? Using a giant screen to show magic CGI brain tests? (while short on energy). EVERYODY left the place or killed himself at the base? (And we're a two or three months in to the zombie apocalypse). The comic sort of explains the quick collapse of civilization with every single dead body coming back to life, regardless of being bitten or not. Also, I hope next season they'll have less whining and more badass unbalanced problems. A new writing staff may just be what the show needs.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Utter dissapointment

    by Volllllume3

    Episode was nothing more then useless filler.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    CDC

    by Generalcatburd

    Upon further review - I am all good with establishing that there will be no scientific solution. The altar of technology has crumbled (or in this case been firebombed) and folks is on their own. Makes for a good close to the story arc.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Weak ending

    by UCB Agent1

    This is probably the 2nd weakest episode of the show, after "Vatos". The CDC thing added nothing to the show, and the writing is still weak. There are still plot holes all over the place. Someone pointed out that these people have been dealing with deal and zombies for something like 2 months, and all of a sudden Dr. Jenner is able to convince at least two of them to just give up? And everybody except for Jenner offed themselves? Better not to explain it, better not to have gone to the CDC. Oh well, there's always next year.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    as boring as the comic

    by JAMF

    with even FEWER zombies. what the fuck were they thinking. they'd better put some action in the show next season and not have stereotypes sitting around spouting cliches.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Some of the responses here just kill me. LOL

    by MAD_MIKE

    Here are a few bits of logic for those that think its all bad writing. 1.) Grocery Stores only have a 3 day supply of product MAX. Grocery stores get trucks twice a week. so there is no endless supply of food. Imagine during the panic at the beginning people would be going to the stores and grabbimg anything they could, Leaving nothing. <P> Just like what happens everytime there is threat of a hurricane or major snowstorm. <P> 2.)The reason the attack at the camp happened is because they made a fire which could still be seen from far away. <P> They forgot where they were and were laughing and having a good time just like they were all out camping. <P> Because of this they were to relaxed and did not imagine the zombies would come that far since they really hadn't at that point. Except for deer zombie guy. <P> 3.) Even though you think you have all of the answers and would be a man of action, the reality is that you wouldn't. You would make all of the same mistakes that others would make. <P> These characters make all of the mistakes that ayone would. <P> 3) I would definitely be grabbing all of the body armor and military weapons I could find. As for vehicles, The main problem there would be roads blocked off with abandoned cars. <P> The show has been solid and the CDC episode was really well done. <P> Now bring on the farm and then the prison.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    THE SHOW IS NOT ABOUT ZOMBIES!

    by MAD_MIKE

    Fuck! get it right.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    I don't understand the need to cut stuff from the books

    by deelzbub

    If this was a two hour movie adaption of a book, I would understand. But an open-ended series? Maybe it's a hollywood rule that that you gotta hire some writers, even if your script is pre-existing.<P> Now, I know they want to flesh out the storyline, plump it up- a la the Vatos and CDC, to spread the storyline out...but my hope is -dont cut out things when you obviously need MORE!

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    JAMF

    by gooseud

    The comic has won every award there is to win and is considered in the top 5 seminal comics of the decade. Its actually one of the only comics ever where sales kept going up with each issue for like the first 15 issues (resulting in major under-printing and scarcity of those first few issues, the entire run goes for like 3 or 4 grand on Ebay). Whats your complaint, that there isnt a major World War Z style-shootout every 10 minutes? Maybe the problem isnt that the comic is boring, maybe its that YOU are boring. Personally, I found World War Z kind of repetitive and boring by the time I got halfway through it.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    "Don't you get it, this is our extinction event"

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Absolutley loved that line, It summed up just how fucked the survivors are. I also love that a virus like this could totaly be what does the human race in. The earth has mass extinction events every few million years, humans will one day be the victims of one<P>Overall I really enjoyed the episode, I thought it answered quite a few questions but still left alot unanswered (and even brought up some new questions). I wish Jennor was still alive, it would have been nice to have someone that knows things on the team, rick can shoot a gun but he has no idea how the virus works. I didn't feel black lady's choice made much sense, she always seemed to be one of the stronger ones, plus why would she leave her husband (i'm assuming her and T-Dog were married, althought not sure if the show ever confirmed that?)<P>I'm thinking that Jennor likley wwhispered one of three things to rick<P>1) One of the team members is already infected (my guess is it's his son?)<P>2)His wife is pregnant (I hope this isn't the case, since that plot would suck and add more un-needed drama to the stupid rick vs shane story)<P>3)There's a safe haven somewhere on earth and thats where he should head<P>People saying that he told Rick that shane tried to rape his wife are stupid, why would he take the time to tell rick that? it's basically irelevant and not exactly something that Jennor would have a urge to pass on as his dying words. The secret has to be related to either the disease of the survival of the group

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Also, what is up with the lack of facial hair

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Secondary characters have beards, but the leads (mostly rick and shane) always just have stubble. WTF IF I go even a week without shaving I have a full beard, Somehow rick and shane have the worlds last desinger Stubble razor and they use it to keep that rugid look?<P>If an apocalypse did happen every guy would have a beard only because a)It would be pointless to shave and b)It would provide protection from the elemants (It's debatable if facial hair is intended to actually serve this purpose, but It doesn't change the fact that it does offer protection from the sun or the cold)<P>I would imagine the group would be pretty rank, I doubt they have toothpaste, toilet paper or razors. Sure they ocasionaly get a chance to shower and clean up (it's happend twice for Rick now) and i would imagine that the show will give them other chances so that the cast doesn't look like hobos, but the lack of beard thing really gets to me, Beards also provide a rugid and intelegent look, why not give rick one to show that he is a leader?

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Jenner Whisper spoiler

    by Katet19

    He absolutely whispered that Lori is Pregnant. What information is he privy to that they aren't based solely on what is witnessed in the episode? He took the blood tests. "nor surprises" was a bit of a wry line in retrospect, and since he bonded with Rick and was most likely touched by his hope speech that has to be it. They're turning the book on it's head a bit. I'm betting they'll play it with Rick finding out about the "infidelity" FIRST prior to telling Lori she's pregnant.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I dont think this show is utter shit

    by mojoman69

    but, like Boardwalk Empire it is having a hard time living up to the hype. I like Darabont and all and have even chatted with him at the Mad Model party in pasadena years ago, but I wish he would use some different actors. Jeff demunn is ok but it seems if it wasnt for darabont he wouldnt be working much. Same with Laurie holden who used to be kinda hot but now just looks fragile. the pacing on the show is bad and the editing is painful. it has a lot of potential but im not seeing a lot of payoff.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    an ok show

    by mojoman69

    But it will never live up to the hype it generated. Darabont needs to work on editing and pacing. He also needs to stop using the same actors like Laurie Holden who arent all that talented.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    again THOSE OF YOU WHO READ THE NOVELS...

    by The Alienist

    ...do NOT discuss them here if it spoils!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Not living up to the comics thus far

    by Starkiller1

    This is the best comic I've ever read, and I was more excited for this show than I have been for anything in a long time. The pilot was great, but after that they've deviated too much from the source material. This wouldn't be a big deal if the changes were improvements, but that has not been the case. The first season could have covered the same ground as the first trade paperback, which ends on an emotionally devastating note that would have been a suitable moment to end this run of episodes. Instead, because of the short season, they conjure this CDC nonsense so that there will be some tension in the finale. I am never going to give up on this show, I love the comic too much, but when each episode starts, I'm not thinking "Holy shit, here we go", I'm thinking "Please don't suck", and that's a shame. I have faith in Darabont, and the firing of the writers and longer season 2 are encouraging. But Darabont needs to stick to his Comic Con promise, which was that they would go off on tangents when there was an interesting angle Kirkman left unexplored, but then gracefully return to the source narrative. Not all of the changes are bad. I actually like Darryl, though it does feel like they were trying to inject a Sawyer into the proceedings. But he's a deviation I can appreciate. Now that the show is a hit, hopefully they will get back on track and demonstrate more patience, or faith in the patience of the audience, going forward.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Terriers Cancelled!

    by Flippadippa

    Another great show bites the dust.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    RIP Terriers

    by CCon99

    Easily was one of the best 5 series on ALL of television. I am mad about the cancellation, but I guess I can't really blame FX other than the terrible series name. At least the finale wrapped up enough and gave an optional ending if it was canceled. Still a sad day and big loss for quality TV. =(

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Why was the creepy old dude

    by Series7

    So eager to get the child drunk?

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    My wife doesn't watch, but she called the Pregnant angle

    by zillabeast

    Took her less than a second to blurt out, "HA! He told him the wife is pregnant!"

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I thought it was fairly epic

    by Kammich

    I expressed earlier in this thread that, as a major fan of the comics, I wasn't thrilled with ending the season with the CDC stuff... but I think they pulled it off. A fairly epic finale(although, I often find the 'countdown clock' to be a very, very gimmicky storytelling device), and we got some GREAT character stuff that will lead into even greater character stuff down the road... most notably, Shane unhinging and the Andrea/Dale angle, which is one of my favorite things about the book. I'm devastated that we have to wait another 11 months, but it will be worth it. But come on, Darabont... throw us a bone next year! We want Tyreese(who I believe has already been cast, so thats a good sign)... Michonne... and the fucking Governor!

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    My Rant

    by Bedhead7

    99% of the population is dead. Imagine all the bottled water, canned food, guns, ammo, medicine, generators, gasoline, batteries sitting around ready to be used by a very small group of people. Why do they choose to camp right outside the most dangerous area, hunt for rabbits and boil water? So they had trouble finding supplies in downtown Atlanta. I get it. But there are 100 small towns all around Atlanta that would be much better places to scavenge. These characters are not thinking like the audience, yet they supposedly represent the average American thrust into an apocalyptic situation. If there really is no water, food or guns in the suburbs, the writers need to show us that. Show us why. If it is a bad idea to drive into a small town and raid the 7-eleven, show us why that’s a bad idea. That would be interesting. We need to see these characters going through the steps a normal member of TWD audience would go through. At least in the beginning. Instead, we are forced into watching a plotline propelled by the most one dimensional human stereotypes. Maybe people do revert to stereotypes during a crisis but that’s not worth my 200 bucks a month for cable. (that’s more than my student loan payment) The stereotypes drive the plot points and dialogue each episode. I want some depth. Instead we have a racist guy. Why is he racist and why can’t he get past his racism during a crisis? The writers simply don’t care. They just use the cliché of racism to drive the plot forward. We also have the wife beating redneck, The PMS lady, the smart ass Asian kid and the wise old Jew. Then we have the 5 background characters that are not developed beyond their over exaggerated expressions they hold during the cheap looking slow-mo scenes. Rick, Shane and Lori do show some signs of being normal nuanced humans. Unfortunately we are made to hate two of them episode after episode. The writers did try to create a few non clichéd characters. Retirement home workers posing as Mexican gang bangers. WHAT! We either have standard stereotypes, Completely ridiculous non stereotypes or nuanced characters that we hate. Other than all that, the show is great. Let’s hope the Darabont firings improve things next season.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Trying to post on this site lately is bullshit

    by SithMenace

    Maybe Harry's had enough criticism and he's trying to kill it. That would be the only reasonable explanation since he's never even posted anything to address it.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    AMC needs a 4th great show

    by SithMenace

    That way we can have a never ending revolving door of quality tv every Sunday night, 13 x 4. It would work out too, if they end Mad Men the last week in September, they can start TWD the first Sunday in October, which I think would be a great move since A) people are in the Halloween mood all through October, and B) the first 4 episodes would run during Fear Fest. Then start breaking Bad in January, and have another show run through April, may and June. Of course they would have to have something to replace Mad Men in 2 years, and possibly Breaking Bad too.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Also, really happy to see a flashback

    by SithMenace

    I mentioned in one of the previous TB's that it would be a nice addition to the show, and it was. I hope it keeps up in season 2.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Here's what the finale accomplished:

    by la_sith

    Pretty much nothing. We lost the black chick (name?). And before the CDC exploded, last guy left at the facility gave a brief but fairly uninformative description of how the zombie disease takes over the brain. Great...uh, and? That's all the CDC learned after a few months of research? Was there a cause determined? Maybe a theory, at least? He said France was close to something. What? Of course, we may have found that out had one of our EXTREMELY UNLIKEABLE CHARACTERS actually asked a relevant fucking question. But what do they do? They eat eggs, fuck in the shower, get hammered, and one of them tries to rape his ex girl. Great. But hey, they did tag on a Bob Dylan song at the end. I'm going to stick with this show, but after a great pilot, it's been a very bumpy next five episodes, and I'm very glad Darabont has cleaned house and is getting some new writers. If any of them are reading this, please please PLEASE present at least one smart fucking character.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I like what Darabont said

    by SithMenace

    about bringing in guest writers on a per episode basis. With him overseeing the scripts, that could produce a really great 2nd season.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    They need to think about the whole zombie situation

    by David Cloverfield

    Not in the detail of World War Z, but they should at least try to sell us this world. Do we know how much time went by since Rick's accident? There was one line that gives me some hope: when the scientist says something akin to "The infection suddenly went global." That sounds like some biological attack with multiple outbreaks at various parts of the world instead of one source. It would also explain why the power grid and communications shut down so fast too. Perhaps those were attacked as well.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    great post Mad Mike...

    by jay2517

    so true...

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Walking Dead (the comic) is not really about the zombies

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Nor will the series really focus much on the zombies or zombie action, I foresee. It's really about the surviving characters and how they deal with this changed world that has essentially ended for humanity.<p><p>Basically, this is not World War Z, the Dawn of the Dead remake, the Resident Evil movies, and most definitely not the self-aware style of Zombieland or Shaun of the Dead. And don't count on the second season of the Walking Dead to change things much in this regard. I believe a major reason why AMC is going with a standard 13 episodes next season is because each episode probably won't cost them much to fund. Notice that in the first season, it's the pilot and the finale where most of the money was spent.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    NoPIX

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "This show needs to get bat-shit insane and really fuck with it's characters."---guy having his brother chop of his hand? sister watches her sister turn into a zombie? cheating wife finds her not dead husband returning to camp? CDC being their only hope and then being blown to smithereens isn't fucking with the characters???

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    TWD *is* about zombies

    by Flippadippa

    If Kirkman was a better writer, like Ennis, he could elevate the material. But he aint', so he can't.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    They need to resolve the slept-with-my-buddy's-wife plotline

    by Bob Cryptonight

    It's very silly and pure soap opera. No one should really give a shit considering what has happened to the world.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Sophia and Carl (the kids)

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    What I wonder about is the kid actors aging between now and the second season premiere. Will Season 2 immediately take place after the end of the Season 1 finale, or will it be set several months later, in order to better accommodate for the fact that the kid actors will start to noticeably age over the course of the series?

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Possible spoiler (from the comic) re: the infection

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    It is speculated by the characters in the comic that the infection, whatever the hell it is, may be airborne. All humans are infected with it, and it lies in a dormant state. When you die, regardless of how you die, you resurrect as a zombie. You could die of a heart attack or a gunshot (not to the head of course), and you will still come back as a zombie.<p><p>So, according to the zombie rules as suggested by the comic book series, it may not be the zombie bite itself that causes you to become a zombie. A bit from a zombie kills you, then the dormant infection already in the once-living person takes over. The two factors (the infection, and a zombie's poisonous bite) may not be connected.<p><p>Keep in mind that the comic series has not explicitly stated or shown this as fact. (There has not yet been a character shown who resurrected but did not die from a zombie attack.)

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    RIP Trickster and Javelin Man

    by The McPoyle Clan

    Guess we'll never know which turn Hank and Britt took. Pity that even FX couldn't make it work. AMC has stolen its mojo.<p><p>A year-round AMC rotation would be fantastic. I've suggested it before. But this point, if would be two brilliant shows, one that is the unknown and has yet to premiere--the murder mystery based on a Danish(?) show-- and one that grades as "improvement needed." It's not hard to figure out which is which.<p><p>By revamping the writing staff, the TWD braintrust has already shown that they seek improvement as well and hope to fulfill the promise of the series. And the beauty of the premise is that it's quite easy to dispense with the filler characters. They just need to give the audience a reason to care about more than one or two of the core characters. Ostensibly, if the survivors' story, not the zombies, is what makes the TWD comic great, they need to follow through.<p><p>And finally, AICN needs to pony up for a real server to replace the Radio Shack TRS-80 they have running the site now.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Funnybook? Fuck!

    by Eyegore

    I read that far, then...fuck it. I hope you have to suck one flaming cock in hell for every time you've said that word in your life, Herc, and fifty times for every time you've stained this awesome website with that retarded fucking word. Do you think it's funny? You've got flaming cocks like stacked firewood waiting for you in hell. You're so funny, you're like some douche who always refers to films as talkies. Do you like that guy? You ARE that guy!

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    You do realize . . .

    by ONeillSG1

    that the title "The Walking Dead" doesn't necessarily refer to the zombies?<br /> <br /> UH-OHS!!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Harry says they are taking the site offline

    by buffywrestling

    for a couple of days. Be ready for it :)

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST

    ONeillSG1

    by VitaminZ

    Dude, EVERYONE realizes that. Fans of the comic have been telling us what "The Walking Dead" refers to since before the first episode of the show. It just makes it that much more annoying that show "about the survivors and not the zombies" has zero characters that are interesting or believable.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Prof. Pop Cult(Spoilers)

    by RedPanda

    SPOILERS...In the comic, Shane came back as a zombie after Carl shot him.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Prof. Pop Cult(Spoilers)

    by RedPanda

    SPOILERS...In the comic, Shane came back as a zombie after Carl shot him.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    "WE are the walking dead!"

    by slone13

    The cheesiest, most melodramatic line in the entire comic book series. SO fucking corny and 100% unnecessary. Kirkman is about as subtle as a hand grenade in a barrel of oatmeal

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Prof. Pop Cult(Spoilers)

    by RedPanda

    SPOILERS...In the comic, Shane came back as a zombie after Carl shot him.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    What? Still no "Dandy Don" obit?

    by Subtitles_Off

    BTW, "The Walking Dead" is badly-written soap opera. Geeks have no taste.

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    RE: "WE are the walking dead!"

    by JonOfTheShred

    Cheesiest line followed by the cheesiest picture. Its like this ensemble shot directly follows Rick saying that and it looks completely ridiculous. If I remember right... But thats one of very few flaws in an epic series

  • Dec. 8, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    first?

    by Bedhead7

  • Dec. 8, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Everything in Coax is GINORMAS!!

    by buffywrestling

    Makes me laugh uncontrollably.

  • Dec. 9, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Comic Rules: Undead no matter how you die

    by TheJudger

    Just because Jenner can detect the virus in the hosts blood after a bite. Doesn't mean it does not already exist in everyone. The comic rules state that you become a walker no matter how you die. The CDC episode seemed to suggest that it only happens after you are bit, or did it? Jenner studied his wife after she was bit. His test involved finding the virus in blood samples. So how does this possibly keep the comic book "No matter how you die- you become Zombie" rules in play. My guess would be that the initial Virus (most likely airborne contracted) remains Dormant in spinal nerve cells (at near undetectable levels) of the host, until the host dies. The lack of an active immune system in the host after death could be the trigger that sets the virus into a lytic phase. Make pretend scenario here. Maybe the Stage 1 version of virus is incapable of populating and infecting the cells with in the host when our normal immune system is still functioning. So it remains dormant in the spinal nerve cells. Once the body dies. The immune system no longer functions. This allows the virus to enter the lytic phase. The virus starts populating the hosts cells, and then it enters into a transfuctional phase where it incorporates some of the hosts genetic material into itself as it replicates. These infected cells carry a viral protein version of the virus that able to circumvent the immune system of health hosts. This would be the Stage 2 version of the virus- The one that kills anyone who is infected with it.

  • Dec. 9, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Next season: Morgan should be like BSG's Helo

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    What I mean is that in order to keep the Morgan character active (the African-American father who befriended Rick) throughout the second season, the series should depict snippets of Morgan and his son's own separate drama of survival -- just as BSG did in its first season with Helo who was trapped on Cylon-occupied Caprica.<p><p>Morgan and son Duane's arc would run parallel to Rick and his people's; elements (such as certain people and locations) encountered by both groups could intersect, and the viewers would wonder when Rick and Morgan will reunite. Morgan's arc wouldn't be an "A" plot, but the writers could drop in to check up on him occasionally, showing us his storyline and maybe also how what's happening to Morgan and Duane might affect Rick and his group. They could have father and son come across the remnants of the CDC center.<p><p>For example, in the teaser to an episode, we follow Morgan and Duane. The teaser ends in a cliffhanger, opening credits roll, but we don't see what happens to them next until the teaser of the next episode. (And of course the series could do a special episode focused only Morgan and Duane throughout it.) Their storyline could be like The Road meets I Am Legend, and perhaps more of the focus on it would be on zombie attacks.<p><p>POSSIBLE SPOILER: The reason why I hope/think the series should do this with the characters -- in the comic series, it takes a long while before Rick and Morgan reunite. At this rate, I estimate this would not happen until the series' hypothetical fourth season.

  • Dec. 9, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Can't get as dark as the comic.

    by cookylamoo

    Because this is still TV folks. And as dark as the ending to "The Mist" was it was more positive in certain ways than the ending of the book. I don't think Darabont and Kirkman can get munching on children past the AMC suits. So expect the TV show to be softer.

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