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Is George Lucas plotting to make a film full of Dead Movie Stars?
Hey folks, Harry here - I'm one of those odd birds that likes the hell out of RADIOLAND MURDERS - I love classic radio, and Christopher Lloyd as the Sound Engineer was like genius. That film was directed for George Lucas, by Mel Smith - a crazy talented gentleman that needs to make more movies. Anyway, he was apparently chatting with the DAILY MAIL in the UK and dropped a fairly awesome bomb of info about George Lucas and his latest obsession of buying up the film rights to Dead Movie Stars, with the notion to make something with them - and a digital resurrection process, that probably avoids the natural curses regarding disturbing the dead.
I've not been privy to any of Uncle George's plans, but I've seen some amazing things done with classic movie stars by a few talented filmmakers, in terms of tests that pretty much told me, this is definitely going to become a reality for us movie-goers. That's the danger of incredibly powerful visual effects... you can do anything - and in the hands of a cinephile like George, it opens an Ark that promises untold fortunes... Just remember to shut your eyes! Heh.
Actually, I'm crazy curious about this. How about you?
Found this in today's UK Daily Mail
Click here for the whole story
Mel Smith on George Lucas:
"He’s been buying up the film rights to dead movie stars in the hope of using computer trickery to put them all together in a movie, so you’d have Orson Welles and Barbara Stanwyck appear alongside today’s stars.’ Whether Lucas’ attempt to superimpose the golden-era stars on to today’s screens is doomed to failure or not, Smith will be too busy to be part of it.
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Call me Nobody
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Who is this fat, overProsac-ed impostor?
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They won't animate themself, y'know.
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and presuming that you can capture ANY of their essence, or even worse, ACTUALLY capturing that essence, without the actual artist, is the biggest 'fuck you' one could ever make to that artist. So yeah, go ahead and make your movie George. If you really, really have no respect for these people as artists, go ahead. I just hope someday a hundred years from now, some really shitty filmmaker has purchased the rights to your Star Wars and your name ends up tacked onto some shitty, inferior, appalling abortion of a Star Wars film. Oh wait, you already covered that. Fuck you, you fat, soulless old man.
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am excited to see George Lucas' Special Edition version of Casablanca where Major Straussar shoots first.
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Just make a good movie. Enough with the tech nonsense.
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This lame idea is more important that episodes 7,8,9??? He's lost touch with his fanbase now.
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It's almost always bullshit.
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Mel Smith the comedian?Mel Smith from Morons from Outer Space?Mel Smith from Alas Smith & Jones?George is an idiot, who cares what he's up to!
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Dec 04, 2010 2:18:48 AM CST
It should be an adaptation of Clive Barkers' Coldheart Canyon
by tbyitbsitbh
with zero concessions to ratings concerns ;) lol yep. It's a movie about a current-day (fictional) movie star on about the level of Tom Cruise (and who rubs shoulders with such non-fictional people), who suffers...an incident...and is forced to hideout in an unknown canyon in Hollywood where the ghosts of dead actors and actresses, famous and obscure, hang around menacingly and have orgies. More or less ;) It's a brilliant novel, quite graphic but it also has a lot of heart, a lot to say, and great depth of character. It very much deserves to be the film that it never could or will be...or could it? do it, George!
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Someone had to say it.
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That this is a bad idea. I mean yeah there are all sorts of Dream Team scenarios that you can talk all night about but really I find the concept kind of disrespectful.
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As much as I would love to see Steve McQueen go one on one with Bruce Willis George Lucas is a hack thats Directed one good movie.
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George Lucas plots the destruction of cinema as we know it. Will our heroes be able to thwart his plans in time?
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and James Dean screaming 'Mesa rebel without a cause!!'
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Could it be that Lucas really would prefer simply to do away with real actors all together? Sorry GL, but even digital actors need a good story and decent dialogue. "I have a bad feeling about this."
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this prick is scraping the fucking barrel here.
Or has he been doing it since Jedi?
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the Special Edition of Casablanca where Major Straussa shoots first.
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So casting Hayden Christensen in the last couple of 'Star Wars' movies must have been a dry run for this project?
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Dec 04, 2010 3:29:33 AM CST
Agreed V'Shael. You guys really need a list of 'unreliable' UK p
by gabba-uk
I'll start the ball rolling.The following papers are the ones that if the editorial states that the sky is blue and water is wet, I'd go out on a sunny day and find a duck pond to check.The Daily Mail. The Express. The Star. The Sun. The News Of The World. The People. The Sport.The next ones are the ones to take with a pinch of salt. The Mirror. The Telegraph. The Observer.The following are the ones you can be confident have at least checked with at least a couple of sources before printing. The Guardian. The Times. The Independent. The FT.Hope that helps in the future.
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Dec 04, 2010 3:30:22 AM CST
With Star Wars defeated, Lucas can now destroy ALL CINEMA.
by doctor_strangepork
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When I was the manager of a video rental store V for Vendetta came out and it was a bit of a hard sell to some of our regular customers not familiar with the comic.We tried the whole Britain as a fascist state, a dystopian version of Britain thing as a way of conveying what the film was about. None of it was able to get acrossThen after a week it clicked in my head how to do it.I told customer to imagine a Britain run by the editors of The Daily Mail and The Express...They got it then.
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A very funny book by Robert Rankin that predicts this whole scenario. But with added insanity.
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We've gone over this several times in the past. You guys need to keep a list handy, of which UK tabloids are prone to just making shit up.
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Dec 04, 2010 4:05:28 AM CST
Look at all the actor's careers he's killed WITH StarWars
by tuckerchickabowwow
So, he may as well start killing the careers of dead stars now.
Alfred Hitchcok and Jar Jar Binks and the Scary Ghost, Part IV. Coming SOON in THX. -
Its 99% bullshit.
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Digital Rod Sterling for the intro of a new Twilight Zone! Make it happen!
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"Where are the documentaries"?
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It's really not that hard, Thats fine if the skywalker saga is over, but you've got a whole universe to play with..GIVE US MORE STAR WARS!
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...with dead people!" George is nuts and dangerous.
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I kept imagining a cool movie starring all time greats (who were deceased) in a kind of modern style ensemble cast.
Humphrey Bogart and Clark Gable never starred in a movie together, for example.
Now, obviously, you cannot do that. I don't care how good CGI technology gets, you cannot reproduce the personality and specific talent of an original movie star. At best, you could take pastiches of their past performances, and incorporate them robotically into a CGI character. But, it would be fake, of course.
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"Indy. I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship."
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...do it with Star Wars in order to produce future, and even past, adventures featuring a youthful Han Solo, Princess Leia, and Luke Skywalker, etc? My point is, they are aging, right, and some may not be here soon, correct? Lucas may be testing such technology for future use in making more Star Wars films, whether he is here or not...to green-lit them. I think he is planning to leave a Disney like projects mandate when he passes, that will call for his estate, and heirs, to continue to make Star Wars films, when he is gone. They may even follow scripts or story-outlines that Lucas has already created, with this in mind. You'll recall the sampling technology that is allowing Roger Ebert to use a voice synthesizer to help him speak, via his computer? Imagine the improvements that will sweep that technology when it comes to smoothing-out the naunces of a person's voice as captured from past recordings, and film/TV performances? One could produce a flawless voice performance from Darth Vader, long after James Earl Jones has long past, etc. Think about it all, if Lucas can resurrect dead movie stars, visually, and convincingly, that will be a major break-through. We have seen some of this in commercials before over the last decade or so, thus, you can imagine what is possible here. He can do numerous Indiana Jones adventures, with Harrison Ford in his prime, at the height of his career, he could actually go back and fix, or redirect, the Star Wars Prequels, or give us the third Star Wars trilogy that he once promised us. I'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing, but sooner or later, it will happen, probably within the coming 10 to 20, or even 30 years. It will be the next trend in media. Do you want to continue to make episodes of The Twilight Zone...starring Rod Serling, bam, there it is? If a music group or singer failed to make videos for certain popular songs, bam, problem solved, Michael Jackson returns. Or what about the star of TV's Spartacus? He is fighting cancer, and sadly, as a result, the part has been recast. Well, using this new tech, in the near future, should your star get ill, there is no reason for a recasting of the role. With that in mind, it is starting to feel like we are all living in...the actual Twilight Zone. This is thrillng, but spooky stuff.
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The rumor about Lucas motion capturing the actors during the original trilogy? He was supposedly planning someday to make digital sequels using all computer generated actors. What ever happened to that?
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Should this experiment work, it will mean billions to him, from his own back engineered Frankenstein productions, directly, and indirectly, as the industry will flock to him to help them do the same. This means that their film libraries worths will go up, and will open up new vistas for their merchandising, from toys to video games, etc. One of these days, they'll even have virtual technology where you can live a story-out, like Star Wars, where you become Luke Skywalker, or Han Solo. This will perhaps...be a computer program that will kick in when you sleep. You can live Star Wars while you dream, the program shaping your dreams to conform to the movie--or you can create your own virtual dream movie. Imagine, you can be Billy Bob Thorton, to Halle Berry's waitress in "Monster's Ball"...without the edits. You'll sense tactile sensation, and will live the movie. My point is, this is where the tech is ultimately going. Soon, they'll scan the imagines ans voices of your favorite movie stares into a computer program where you can create your own story with them in it, and you get to live it out. This will eventually become the new porn--and we will see abuses with the tech, as people will be scanning in video of those whom they know, or want to know, and live-out virtual relationships with them, without permission--a form of vrtual rape, and stalking.
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Because I'd really like to see young CGI Marilyn Monroe fuck young CGI Audrey Hepburn.
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is if it's done as a "meta" cautionary tale/Pandora's box type story. A legendary old school director (think a Kubrick/Malick/Coppola type) tires of the antics of the new generation of snotty, self-involved young movie stars, holes himself up in a digital studio and makes a movie with 100% digital actors, all deceased legends appearing to be in their primes. He later learns there are consequences to his actions (legal? supernatural? Help me out here) and is driven to insanity. Regardless of what the "consequences" are, after this, maybe no one else will be dumb enough to give it a whirl.
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and stop fucking things up?
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...something that I have never heard before, BTW, this new rumor of Lucas working with technology to resurrect dead movie stars, is your answer.
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...doesn't mean you should.
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A disgruntled eccentric legend (think Kubrick, Malick, Coppola) tires of the antics of spoiled brat party kid young actors and holes himself up and makes a movie with an all-legend digital cast, only to suffer some sort of consequences (legal? supernatural?) and be driven to insanity. Maybe after that the discussion would be closed and no one would be stupid enough to try it again.
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But I think it would be interesting to see the story AND cast of a movie like Casablanca adapted as a Star Wars episode. Maintain all the style elements, film in black and white, but "convert" the story into a space opera.
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But I think it would be interesting to see the story AND cast of a movie like Casablanca adapted as a Star Wars episode. Maintain all the style elements, film in black and white, but "convert" the story into a space opera.
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I seem to recall back in 2005 that I read something online about a film supposedly in development called STARS, which would bring back Bogey, and Monroe among others via CGI and Performance capture with modern movie stars voicing the legends.
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...and Ollie Reed, too, while you're at it.
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Dec 04, 2010 6:34:28 AM CST
Think of the awesome Expendables sequel if this works
by redbull_werewolf
Sly could add John Wayne, Errol FLyn, Charelton Heston and countless other. Hey Harry mention this idea to sly next time your making out with him
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But hey, what do I know. Anything non-SW from GL is a true gem.
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They'll even be doing Expendables sequels when Sly is long gone, with him as the star, along with Wayne...and others.
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Because I'd really like to see young CGI Marilyn Monroe fuck young CGI Audrey Hepburn.
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Let Christopher Nolan or Peter Jackson direct episodes 7,8 & 9 that would be pure genius and maybe we could forgive GL for those prequels.
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....many creative edits, with the film "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid", and conformed his plot around the original footage. Lucas is talking about creating virtual puppets of the real actors and placing them in any enviroment, stuation, and scene, that he wishes--without limit(s). Of course, 'Dead Men' is where the idea sprung from...and Woody Allen's "Zelig", and even certain choice scenes in Forrest Gump--and a number of TV ads over the last decade, plus--that followed. Lucas is simply trying to develop the software, and hardware, to streamline the process, so he can sell the technology back to Hollywood, and to tech developers. He'll make billions.
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...full of pre-directed actors. He'll somehow manage to make Bogart wooden, though.
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that recreated the night of her murder. There's just an incredible number of facts that don't fit into the 'depressed fading star commits suicide' explanation.
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which from all reports, is back in full demented glory in Tron:Legacy. Seems like CLU can't focus his eyes properly, enough to throw a veteran reviewer out of the movie. And that's supposedly a $300M piece of work.
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How is this any different from using computers to insert Tom Hanks into existing footage of president Eisenhower? Isn't that also using the dead as a performance in ways never intended? Are we not already doing this?
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I'm so sick of films which are
simply showcases for an effect or
a technique. I'm hoping society is
finally getting fed enough with
this to stop supporting bad films
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Dec 04, 2010 8:07:52 AM CST
didn't they do this for that crappy sky captain movie
by redbull_werewolf
I've blocked most of that shit fest from my brain, but didn't an dead actor show up at the end of the movie?
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....this sounds about right. Lucas peaked decades ago and is NOT a good filmmaker. He's an ever worse writer. "FOllow your thoughts through to conclusion...." Blecch.
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Dec 04, 2010 8:14:37 AM CST
Bill Clay, how could they even do that in the 80's?
by talkbacker with no name
The only motion capture at the time was rotoscoping and that's not the same thing. Not saying they couldn't do it now, but no way they did it back in the day and stored it for the future. Not unless Lucas borrowed Doc Brown's time travelling delorean.
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that will kick in when you sleep"? haha, you nut.
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One of the greatest actors to grace the business and the film was a great homage to the 1940's scifi serials that was basically wasted on a majority of todays audience. This is a predictable next step for George, it's something he's always talked about wanting to do, replace actors with CGI constructs.
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Go and dig out the stars whose rights he's purchased. Don't just sit there on your fat ass and reprint someone else's NEWS.
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95% of the rumours that are associated with Lucasfilm end up being garbage... and the UK press, like Fox News and MSMBC in the US, make taking quotes and ideas out of context an art form.
However, I would like to know what happened to the Lucas that made American Graffiti, THX1138, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Willow and Labyrinth. That was some first rate creative cinema. Then in the 90s Lucasfilm pretty much stopped producing new material... Yes they had the Young Indy series and Radioland Murders, but that is about it. A real shame because Lucas wasted the decade and even in the 2000s he has not really created new content but extensions of his existing properties, which is fine, but none of it has surpassed his strikingly original early work.
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...Is if the dead stars are more or less cameo roles in a story set in classic era Hollywood. That would make them more or less scenery, providing some context like in Forrest Gump. But to actually try and make a new performance with digitally recreated actors is creepy and ghoulish.
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BBC NEWS Friday, 17 May, 2002
Star Wars director George Lucas has attacked the idea of using technology to recreate dead film stars.
"It's something we are trying to stop happening, although you can't stop technology and you can't stop change," he said.
The director was at the Cannes film festival for the screening of his latest film, Star Wars Episode II: Attack of The Clones.
Advances in digital technology have raised the prospect of long-dead stars like John Wayne and Marilyn Monroe being brought back to life on-screen.
The technology has already been used in less conspicuous ways.
When veteran British actor Oliver Reed died during filming of the Roman epic Gladiator, some scenes were digitally altered to make it look as if he was present.
But Lucas said that, despite its occasional usefulness, the technique would lead to the "caricature" of famous film presences.
"A computer can duplicate Tom Hanks, for example, and we already use that technology a little for stunts and difficult scenes.
"But if you bring back Marilyn Monroe, what you would have is a caricature.
"You could do it but you can't get a perfect actor.
"Acting is a human endeavour and the amount of talent and craft that goes into it is massive - and can a composite reproduce that?"
He added: "The voice would have to be dubbed and what was produced on screen would ultimately be the work of an animator."
The director was one of the first to make extensive use of digital technology when he used computer-generated special effects in the original Star Wars film in 1977.
But he said that recreating Hollywood greats would be a step too far.
"I can't see any reason to recreate John Wayne or Monroe.
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Fat, bloated, lost and alone.
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to buy the image rights so that no-one would ever use them, including him. We'll see.
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to stop people doing it in the future maybe? If Mel Smith has the facts right.
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Why is "Dead Movie Stars" consistently capitalized? Is this some property I'm not aware of?
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I hate when a technique is treated like an idea. Deciding "Let's do
this technique" is not an idea.
It's a technique. You have to have
a *REASON* to use the technique.
You don't just get an idea to do
something and be like "Yeah let's
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...I think of a filmmaker working with dead people. Literally.Go get 'em, George! If this is even remotely true, your masterplan of doing away with real actors will be nearly complete. CGI be praised!
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I see serial rapist Lucas is at it again. What a waste of a talent. Is this the same guy who made American Graffiti and THX-1138.?
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I'm so sick of films which are
simply showcases for an effect or
a technique. I'm hoping society is
finally getting fed enough with
this to stop supporting bad films
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Dec 04, 2010 9:35:57 AM CST
Typo Harry: Cinephile, I don't think it means what you think it
by onezeroone
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Dec 04, 2010 9:37:29 AM CST
Cashgrabber, not Cinephile, unless Cinephile is like Paedophile.
by onezeroone
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Dec 04, 2010 9:40:02 AM CST
orson wells + james cagney + humphrey bogart + micheal cera.
by alice133
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Really. Let the dead rest. I always hated those commercials with Humphrey Bogart selling Coke or Pepsi or whatever it was. I really think it's 100% morally corrupt. If he's that bored can't he just stay home and burn his money or something other shit? Jesus. If this is true, he's gone full retard.
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where the characters looked ok, but when they talked they sounded like Mel Blanc's nephew, and never said anything funny or memorable.
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I'll try it again, sorry if it doubles up
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whoopee.
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He just made his last 3 movies out of wooden actors, so dead is the next logical step.
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What makes an actor's performance isn't their particular facial features, but their voice, their delivery, their emotions and thoughts that they put into their performance. This isn't resurecting a dead actor, it's putting a dead actor mask onto a CGI puppet controlled by some behind the scenes animators. Their emotions and performances won't be original, they'll be derivatives, cold shadows of the originals.
What this really is, is simply cheap laziness. Instead of inventing something new, instead of giving today's living actors a venue to deliver a new living performance, these washed up old hacks are going to live out the rest of their lives in a dead past.
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we get Howard The Duck 2, with some full frontal Lea Thompson nudity.
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Great name, greater comment. I award you +10 internets.
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As an investment, dead celebrities are potentially a huge money-maker ... all the brand, none of the risks of meltdown. Time and again, we're reminded that the public persona of actors is often disconected from the real person underneath, a costume they wear ... this is the natural extention of that idea.
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PLEASE
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I mean like literally, just walk up to him and shoot him in the fucking face with a .44? And make sure you get nice and close because you don't want to miss and just get the bullet embedded harmlessly in his goiter.
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Remembering how Gump was snuck into black and white footage, I think this would be a fun project for Lucas to play with. Putting aside the disdain for the SW Prequels, the man remains brilliant. I want to see Red Tails and this other project sounds intriguing.
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Are you aware that there is now a video gaming system that will be coming-out soon that will allow gamers to control all motions of video game characters, and any other actions in said games, via a halo like device that you wear on your head? Well, it is real. It guesses the wearer's intent based upon your nerves and other body readings, real-time, no delays. So, logically, what comes next? There was a time when Communicators on Star Trek were laughed at too, and the people who imagined them were called crazy. Now we have cell phones--so much for the crazy talk, and the laughter. And what about flat-screen TVs, flat-electronic note pads, lap-top computers, electronic pens, the internet, PCs, stun-guns (tasers), and medical beds...that can analyze your body? That was all just science fiction on Star Trek, and now it is real. Yes, the next step in immersive entertainment, after no glasses needed 3D, I suppose, is...as I have stated, they will make entertainment interactive with your dreaming mind. You call it crazy, and some computer wiz out there is going to come along and make trillions off of it. Facebook will be a joke compared to something like that.
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.... with digital actors. Then the remainder of you SW nerds will finally wake up and be unplugged from the matrix like the rest of us. Go out and be free, my people.
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He is not the first person to do, right Sky captain and fanboys loved it. Its because its Lucas, that people shit all over it. Digital performers are the future thanks to you jackasses going to Avatar.
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Has anyone considered maybe Lucas bought some character rights to include them in Indy5 as Ford said George had a crazy idea for Indy5 maybe this is it!!
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Seriously this is something that unless it's REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD will not float a lot of people's boats. The people that looked up to whatever movie stars he plans to use will have high expeqtations or won't see it, and the younger generations will also be looking for something extra to pull them in, because I doubt they care too much about stars from the 70s, let alone the first half or middle of the 20th century. You've got all the $ to make your dreams, George, and with the exception of Willow I haven't really cared for anything George has done outside sw.
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is why hollywood isn't producing iconic characters like bogart and monroe today
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His likeness was seen in reflections but someone impersonated his voice (it was from his charaqter's pov or something). I thinq I remember something like that way back when.
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and put the rest of us out of his misery.
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The thought of a sort of "franchise finale" shot of Harrison Ford's Indy walking off amongst the ghosts of famous adventurer characters of the era that inspired the movie in the first place just sent chills down my spine.
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my immediate reaction was that this is really fucking weird...something about it is just strange as fuck and not in a good way. i dunno, i'm conflicted because it's not the actual actor, it's just their likeness, so it doesn't sound horrible, but at the same time it feels creepy as hell and just bizarre in the extreme.
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...doesn't mean you should.
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Unless Lucas hires directors and lets them work.
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The Lucas is one of those few filmmakers that can literally make magic happen. I actually hope this happens, as morbid as it is.
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Yes, his parents.
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People will bitch about him doing this, then they'll suck off Cameron, Jackson, Nolan etc. when they use the technology Lucas' companies pioneered.
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Is that these "digital" performers, like the ones in Avatar, are still real people. These roles are still being played by actors, there not being created out of thin air. In fact, it's more like digital make-up then anything, as it allows the actor to play a role practical make-up just couldn't achieve, and also allows their performance to come through almost completely without being bogged down by loads of latex, or whatever. Bringing dead actors back to life is in no way similar to that process, because as others have pointed out, you still need real actors to play the parts.
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was funny once on tv in the 1980s. with Gryff Rhys Jones. But that was a very long time ago. Mel smith fell foul of the law, whilst making his stage debut as churchill in edibborough a few years ago. Smith demanded that he should smoke a cigar just like churchchill did. but his agent told him he couldnt do. and an enraged Mel smith threatened to walk away from the production, if he didnt get his way. I am not sure if that play was a hit. but smith vowed that he would never work in england again. and thank god for that, ugly git.
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the actors are dead, no matter how real they look...they wont move or more importantly, sound like them. its bad enough they're creating CGI versions of live actors in those mo-cap movies but now the dead ones? alrighty then.
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this is not a great idea
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Dec 04, 2010 3:25:43 PM CST
CAN'T WAIT UNTIL CGI ORSON WELLS TELLS LUCA$ TO FUCK HIMSELF
by darth busey
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Dec 04, 2010 3:26:09 PM CST
I love The Tall Guy. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
by flim springfield
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and now this? Does Lucas WANT to go to hell or something ?!?!?
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...one of Goldblum's best and Rowan Atkinson's cameo is a hoot. "You fuck off!"... classic line coupled with the perfect.............. timing.
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sorry, but I'm under the impression that most TalkBackers are 'industry insiders' with minimal computer skills. Wire Mesh | Texture Mapping | Rigging at the professional level is now commonplace in schools; Facial Emotion synthesis is under *huge* development, especially in Malaysia, where much of the gruntwork for modern movies happens. The last hurdles--synthesis of fine eye muscle and mouth movements, not in conscious control--are in expensive proprietary software stage, but that's going to open up too, because everyone wants security cameras that can analyze facial emotions. So..George Lucas is the least of your problems.
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Sure, you can stick a mocapped CGI representation of Humphrey Bogart, Marilyn Monroe, Bruce Lee, or pretty much anyone else up there on the screen, but a star is also their voice, their mannerisms, their overall PRESENCE, that can never be completely replicated.
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...truly awful, unfunny movie. Another Lucas excuse to toy with f/x while not giving a damn about a decent script. It's the Haunted Honeymoon of the 90's.
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Dec 04, 2010 4:26:25 PM CST
STEVE SPIELBERG SHOULD GROW A SET AND TELL GEORGE TO EFF OFF
by darth busey
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He is now officially a parody of himself.
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A demonstration of how relying on only retro sci-fi art direction cannot overcome zero plot, script or acting.
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Dec 04, 2010 4:37:49 PM CST
DIDN'T LUCAS ALREADY MAKE A MOVIE WITH A CGI SIM OF A DEAD ACTOR
by darth busey
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Dec 04, 2010 4:38:14 PM CST
I THOUGHT HE DID THAT WITH HARRISON FORD'S CORPSE IN INDY IV
by darth busey
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which among its many elements includes references to people watching movies with Marilyn Monroe having sex with mid21st Century stars as an indication of the time's cyberprowess and hypersexualization. IIRC, there's even mention of simMonroe going on talk shows and promoting her new projects.
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good one!
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This could be the sequel to The Sixth Sense. Little Haley Joel Osment is all grown up, and now he sees dead movie stars.
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was one of the dullest films i have ever seen. it was a movie so bland and grey that gywnneth paltrow looked like cinematic wallpaper. It was the first time ever that I became convince that that joile was actually a robot. Harry knowles liked sky captain and the world of tomorrow. I am not suprised that nobody really liked that film and it all but disappeared from people's memories. and the plot made no sense whatsoever.
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..is that hes a dictator more then a director. Film is a calabrative artform, and time and time again george lucas has gone on these power hungry rants and refuses to work with others, share ideas, etc. Even spielberg, his best friend, gave off the impression that both Ford and him werent really liking the story behind indy 4 and did it more as a paycheck then anything.
Now he took over directing his Red Tails film because he wasnt happy with the direction of the director he hired, and now wants to do this abomination just to demo technology?
FORM A COHERENT STORY FIRST GEORGE! yes, it would be a cool idea to resurrect dead actors digitally, but your not returing there hearts and souls from the grave into a digitized avatar of themselves, your cobbeling together elements of there work and making a frankenstine like creation. IN SMALL DOESES IT MIGHT WORK, but to see a brand new digitally resurrect jimmy steward or what ever in a new film will just come off as creepy.
Form a decent story, use living flesh and blood actors, even if there digitaly enhansed (like avatar) there still is heart and soul in the preformance.
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Seriously? Resurrecting dead celebrities? What?
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And all I keep seeing is dead celebrities hawking products! You've got poor old Vincent Price floating around in a toilet telling me about the horrors of an unfresh bowl!
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In the interview, Mel blames the failure of Radioland Murders on Lucas because he says Lucas can't do comedy. Bear in mind, it was Smith who actually directed the movie, not Lucas! Perhaps Mel is just repeating a rumour which may or may not be true. Anyway, there's a current commercial with a rapping Bing Crosby, and Brando made a posthumous appearance in Superman Returns, so the idea has been tried out previously. Having a lead character being a digital version of a deceased actor is another thing entirely though.
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is that even if it's completely false, it sounds like something Lucas would legitimately try.
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I could rant and rant about this but all I can think is sad.
Then again...Just because you can doesn't mean you should. They have already ruined franchises with sequels now they will go ruin our original favorites with what amounts to good looking puppets. SAD. -
he's more of a businessman now than an artist. He's never been an actor's director, but was able to (mostly) get around that in Ep. 4 by having real sets. The difference is that acting on a real set helps the actors to get into their roles, despite having a director that gives them little to no direction. The actors in the prequels were lost because acting in front of a green screen without a strong director makes a difficult job that much worse. There were more scenes than not in the prequels where the actors looked like they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing, and to me that is the biggest of many failures of the new trilogy. On the other hand, the reason Empire is considered the best of the saga is because the actors in that film had a strong character director and real sets to work with.Look, I'm not in the business of bashing Lucas, because I'll always be grateful to him for creating a seminal piece of my childhood. But he's more of a writer than a director, he's more of a technical director than an actor's director, and now he's more of a businessman than anything. I wouldn't mind if he did a basic outline for a new trilogy, but hired writers and directors for the actual execution of the films. That's probably the only thing that would get me excited about any new Star Wars, but I have huge doubts that we'll ever see another live action trilogy in any form.
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...he has to shake the dead from their well deserved slumber and fuck their corpses? Violate the memory and image of the peaceful dead?
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He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.
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Ironic, right?
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if not by Lucas then by some other douchebag that will totally destroy the legacy and memories of the talented actors and actresses of yesteryear.
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Just get someone as brainy as Bruce to write the dialogue/action scenes for the first two levels of the fight outside/inside the Temple of Beopjusa in Korea and the action/dialogue when Hai Tien exits the temple. Done! Oh, and keep Shannon uninvolved after the disaster she produced called LEGEND OF BRUCE LEE.
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to sell dog food or some other bullshit with.
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Bruce would have wanted his movie finished, and not the way that hack Robert Clouse "finished" it.
Also Marilyn Monroe's "Something's Got to Give" could be finished.
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Now, I don't think that this would make for a good movie, but it would be a fantastic acheivement. And maybe this would help with 7,8&9; superimposing a young Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill into new films.
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...my post traveled back in time in the thread. Either that, or I just blacked out and lost an hour...
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...I'mma travel back in time and fuck with some Japanese people with my superior air-to-air technology!
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The Lucas hate is tired shit. Find a new gig, you dumb douches.
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... in this Lucas bashing talkback to complain about the state of celebrity likenesses on Collector Plates. All Collector Plate Artists must die!!!
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He IS giving us new SW: every single Friday night tune into the magnificent Clone Wars to see a new story set in that universe, and within a few more years we'll get the live-action series as well.
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He's never getting another cent from me.
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"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
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Funny. It is 10:32 pm.
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Maybe George can make Fred Astaire dance with a vacuum cleaner and sell it to Hoover for a TV commercial...oh...never mind.
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I just want to echo your sentiment.
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I'm amazed at the amount of people who believe this. Mel Smith is clearly joking.
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Or maybe it will and it will look super fake...not much better than Jar Jar or Blue people. And I loved Avatar but those are alien cat creatures and not human beings that we are supposed to believe are real for an entire movie.
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Luke takes off the helmet and it's Sebatian Shaw underneath, they just digitally made him paler and erased the eyebrows, which I think looks even better than the makeup in the original ROTJ.
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Come on. You don't have to like everything an individual does. Why the negativity?
To me, the comments that some are making indicate that an artist (director, actor, whatever...) has to create exactly what you like, or they've done something wrong. "I thought that chef's cookie tasted like shit! He should never be allowed to cook again. I can't believe he'd expect me to enjoy it! As a matter of fact, the sandwich he made me last week (the one that I loved) now I don't even like that anymore!"
Seriously, what the hell? Pretend your mom was Lucas, and she did exactly what he did. Would you have the same attitude? Well, if so, I feel sorry for her.
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or Herve Villachez as Howard the Duck! Hee hee hee!
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It could have all the old movie stars fighting eachother in some sort of war of hollywood.awesome.
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Dec 04, 2010 11:20:32 PM CST
How many of you HONESTLY want an Episode 7-9 at this point?
by _venkman
Just read the Thrawn trilogy set about 6 years after ROTJ. It's excellent and probably the closest we'll ever get to a proper sequel trilogy. I'd be open to starting an entirely new story set within the SW Universe just leave Luke and Co alone...although if they end up doing a new series cast Mark Hamill as an alien.
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...is more BRIAN BENBEN.
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You shut the FUCK up!!!!
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that felt great. No wonder people do stuff like that in talkbacks. Im gonna go have a smoke...
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Lucas is clearly going mad. Only The Berg can put an end to his insane plans. Finish him, Steven! The man you knew, gone he is.
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Timothy Zahn understood the feel of the first two original Star Wars movies...and really captured and delivered their essence in those books.
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allready did this gimmick. lucas need to get more hobbies so he can stop doing movies all together.
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Dec 05, 2010 4:09:58 AM CST
So does this mean anyone using these stars has to get Georges sa
by larrylongballs
Sounds bad.
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That's a little bit hypocritical.
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Bloody vile lying rag of a paper - but it still sounds creepily something like Lucas would do - sitting alone in his ivory techno-tower plotting the expansion of his lifeless empire - sigh - George it didn't have to be this way
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Jesus Christ...
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Since FOTR slapped Lucas silly after TPM. LOTR Gollum achieved what TPM tried to do with fartjoke JarJar. Lucas' legacy of all time greatest movie fantasy movies since he though he could do no wrong since selling out with Ewoks in ROTJ. The LOTR trilogy is unassaible plus it had all those efx breakthroughs and actually won Oscars. Lucas , a long long time ago since his SW had those Oscar nominations which lost to "Fanny Hill". The real genius behind the 1st SW movie, the editors , and ESB , Kirchner. He needs to give it up and let Jackson, Cuaron and HP7 director direct episodes 7,8,9. Forget Cameron, he's always trying to inject he's a smaltzy character director i.e. dances with unobtanium Avatar.
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I envision Sam Spade showing up as a helpful detective in Indy Jones 5 with a digital young Harrison Ford to do battle with an evil mastermind played by Orson Welles and they are all fighting for the affections of Mae West while Laurel & Hardy provide the comic relief. Oh, and John Wayne arrives in the third act with Jar Jar Binks and the ewoks to bail out our heroes and save the day. Cameos by River Phoenix, James Dean and Heath Ledger are added to tug at the heartstrings at opportune times. All done with George Lucas's signature stilted dialog. Can't wait. Shit. Utter shit.
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Terry Gilliam had the decency to respect Heath Ledger and complate Imaginarium with dignity. Lucas however is like an ambulance chaser, wanting to one-up Cameron's 3D breakthrough by playing eFrankenstein. He can argue Ridley Scott technically did it with Oliver Reed in Gladiator, or Alex Proyas with Brandon Lee in The Crow... but if the rumour is true (and I trust the Daily Mail like a kick in the nuts), then we'll see the classic actors get butchered Polar Express style.
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Why not just make movies with human lookalikes, wouldnt that be cheaper, and more convincing?
This isnt new news anyway, I remmeber seeing footage on a UK tv show on computer games ("Bad Influence" or "Gamesmaster",I forget which)a good 10 years ago, about how they were making a digital Marylyn Monroe to put in a movie. It looked shockingly awful. -
Then Brandon Lee can do the remake of the Crow, too! This time with no danger of any prop idiots cutting corners with live rounds.
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Grest news to all Lucas fans.
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was the late Irving Kirshner who died last week. and he said in the fantastic documentary empire of dreams, that as a student lucas was far ahead of his classmates in termas of what films should look and sound like. kirshner said that he knew lucas was a visionary back then. for lucas story and character was never really important. except in the case of american graffitti. which is really about george lucas. in all the lucas bashing that goes on here. if it wasnt for lucas, there would be no thx, no ilm and no pixar.
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Everyone bashing Lucas for something that's not even going to happen....just pathetic.
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A country singer trying to make a name for herself recorded a duet with pieced up sound clips of Conway Twitty. First time, it works ok but then you really notice his "singing" is mechanical and patched together. It's a great way to establish a creepy setting, same as reusing animation, but I think it's still going to be too expensive and uncanny valley to, say, do a romcom with George Clooney and Marilyn Monroe for quite some time.
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And all the Lucas-obsessed man children start raving about their poor molested childhoods pathetically based around a movie franchise. You guys really are fucking predictable, and highly fucking pathetic.This is bullshit, not a shred of credibility to it. That said, some Director will do it someday. And, sadly, whether Lucas had anything to do with it or not, Lucas bashing morons will blame him for it, because they eagerly await lies that feed into their angry passions.
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to be true.Because the "visionary" George Luca$ and his once rural powerful ILM effects company were
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to be true.Because the "visionary" George Luca$ and his once dominant ILM effects company have stopped being relevant in the movie industry for years.Not that they run out of business,but when was the last time that ILM got a sfx oscar? when it was the last time that people were amazed and talking about the ILM effects in a movie or the movie quality of a LucasFilm newly released film?
Not that ILM is not doing a great job,POTC and TF prove that,but the thing is that it is not the dominant force that it used to be.The antagonism nowadays in the special effects industry is very hard and not only you have the new powerhouse in the name of WETA which has made a curving point in the spectacle entertainment with their Avatar technological breakthrough,but you also have smaller companies but equally talented who can turn you speechless with the vfx even in a moderate budget like it in the case of D9 and Skyline.
and then you have Lucas,the man who once was the most beloved man in the world by geeks,but now is trashed remorselessly by the same people for the atrocities he brought about his SW/IJ sagas.
if anything else Lucas would love to play again with his new big toys (like he did with the prequels) and show to the world not only that he still has it,but he still has the best toys in the world.i wish him good luck if thats the case,because he is going to need it.a lot of it. -
What are you talking about? Other than Yosemite Sam, that was all Mel Blanc in Roger Rabbit.
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Yosemite Sam was who I was referrng to. Was exaggerating a bit to make my point. Blanc's son, I believe, is voicing alot of the WB's old character's these days, and he's as close as we are going to get to Mel. He just doen't seem to have the knack for Mel's manic zaniness.
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Fuck Lucas! Thank you very much!
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but they are as an entrepreneur, manager and a technician. He cribs furiously from other artists and with the exception of the original Star Wars the results have been less than the sum of the parts.
Lucas' primary flaw is that he is not a great director. He is technically proficient but, his films are soul-less. If he can overcome his hubris and collaborate with an actor's director like he did on ESB he can create the synergy he desires and once again create art. -
When I read the Thrawn trilogy I was completely blown away. It was as good as, if not better than, the original trilogy of films. Epic reading with a true continuation of our favorite characters' stories.
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The most disturbing part of this is that the actors would have no say over what kind of crap Lucas would put them in and he would be the sole arbiter of their performance. And somehow these Frankensteined performances would become part of the legacy of Orson Welles, Brando, Dean or whoever. There's something really twisted about being able to buy the film rights to someone's likeness. How can that even be for sale?
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the 1990s and lost. i am fuzzy about the details of what arnie was fighting against but I think it had something to do with digital effects and dvd technology and digital enhancements especially in the area of facial features. arnie said that it should be part of an actors contract with regard to dvd sales in the future. facial property. arnie was laughed out of town.
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He has none of his father's talents, and Warner Brothers doesn't use him partially for this reason. Checking imdb, it looks like all he's done for WB is voice Porky Pig in Tiny Toons. WB uses multiple VAs to take Mel's place.
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Interviewer: (Michael Palin) An excerpt from Carl French's latest film. Carl, we're all a little mystified by your claim that your new film stars Marilyn Monroe.
Carl French: (Graham Chapman) It does, yes.
Interviewer: Who died over ten years ago?
Carl French: Uh, that's correct.
Interviewer: Are you lying?
Carl French: No, no, it's just that she'e very much in the public eye at the moment.
Interviewer: Does she have a big part?
Carl French: She is the star of the film.
Interviewer: And dead.
Carl French: Well, we dug her up and gave her a screen test, a mere formality in her case, and...
Interviewer: Can she still act?
Carl French: Well... well, she-she's still has this-this enormous, ah-ah, kinda indefinable, uh... no.
Interviewer: Was decomposition a problem?
Carl French: We did have to put her in the fridge between takes.
Interviewer: Ah, what sorts of things does she do in the film?
Carl French: Well, we had her lying on beds, lying on floors, falling out of cupboards, scaring the children...
Interviewer: But surely Miss Monroe was cremated?
Carl French: Well, we had to use a standin for some of the more visible shots.
Interviewer: Ah! Uh, another actress.
Carl French: A Dead actress. But Monroe was in shot the whole time.
Interviewer: How?
Carl French: Oh, in the ash tray, in the fire grate and vacuum cleaner...
Interviewer: So Marilyn does not appear in the film?
Carl French: Not as such.
Interviewer: Mr. French, you're one of the film world's most arrogant queens. I mean not just homosexual or gay or anything, I mean you are a raving queen.
Carl French: Well, yes.
Interviewer: I mean, a real screamer, a real "Whoops! Get out! Don't mind me dear!" limp-wristed caricature.
Carl French: Is that not in order?
Interviewer: No, no, that's fine. And I understand that you married the beautiful black heiress Hueyna Tanoy partly for the publicity but mostly to cover up the fact that you prefer going out with little boys.
Carl French: Look, really!
Interviewer: Carl, you're an effeminate little poof, a mincing gay-bar loiterer, a winnet-covered walking perfume shop and an evil perverter of innocent little boys!
Carl French: What!? Really! Is this part of the interview?
Interviewer: No, no, I just wanted a few contacts.
Carl French: Well-well, shouldn't we be talking about the film?
Interviewer: We've been off the air for ages. Now, where'd you find them?
Carl French: Look, I think we are still on the air.
Interviewer: Oh, sod the fucking air! I just still get locked up with that sort of thing.
Carl French: What about the film?
Interviewer: Just a few addresses, please...
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Starring Audrey Hepburn and Catharine Denevue
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With Bogart as Denzel
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With Rock Hudson, Doris Day, and Sofia Loren
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Humphrey: "You are so beautiful." Lauren: "It's because I'm in love." Humphrey: "No, it's because I'm so in love with you." Yess, that's it!!
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Dec 05, 2010 3:13:07 PM CST
Yeah, as shitty as the prequels were, I don't understand the hat
by _venkman
I'm not gonna write an essay defending him or anything but why the hate? The man brought us so many classics. Think of him as a rapidly aging relative losing their mind...they're a mess now but you still love them.
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Some people worship his genius and some people want him to die. Sounds like god to me.
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Or anyone for that matter. Like or hate it the work he's done recently is his. Just like the original Star Wars without which you guys wouldn't have had a childhood to rape! Raping your childhood? Please! Be happy he did the original 3 which are still there along with " American Graffiti " and " Raiders Of The Lost Arc "! I could understand the idea of raped childhoods if this was someone else who came in and made movies you didn't like over the top of his work or feel they didn't fit in with the originals. But it wasn't! This is his stuff not yours! It's only yours to like or dislike! It's incredibly arrogant and childish to think that he's just here to please you. He created a work of art you either like it or you don't. He's either still a good film maker that you'll want to see his work or not! There was no childhood raping involved because if it wasn't for him you wouldn't even have a notion of these movies in the first place. Get over yourselves! For the record I prefer the original 3 Star Wars films over the new one's of course. The reason is mainly what kept you going about the first 3 is you didn't know what was going to happen. That's the way a serial works and that's what they were patterned after. For me that's why they weren't as good. I wonder if things might have been different if he had done the last 3 instead of choosing to back track and do the first 3. For me their time had come and gone. I still enjoy watching the originals and don't feel raped one bit.
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NOW!!!
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My only question is how would anyone be able to tell the difference in the end result????
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...in, and from, the past, is that he is a bold-faced liar, at every turn. No, this is about keeping Star Wars going...for his post life legacy. He is megalomaniac enough to think that way.
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...perhaps not, perhaps it will be less costly to go with the computer puppets? You'll notice, salaries go up for actors with each sequel, contracts need to constantly be signed, which means hiring lawyers, and they, actors, get breaks, meaning time-off, but with computer puppets, you can have them in constant production. With real actors, you have to insure them, have stunt doubles, fly them around to do press, etc., etc., etc. This way, you cut-out the middle man, and have your stars forever young. You can have them gain weight for a role, lose weight for a role, do their own impossible stunts, just like cartoons, only it will look photo-realistic. Lucas has obviously weighed the economics of all of this, and come to this conclusion. And think about all the money you save on film crews--and set security, even camera rentals? Now, all he'll need is a staff of computer techs, about a few hundred people--who are on salary.
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That comment is in my top ten
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Maybe he will replace Jar-Jar Binks with Karl Marx
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Doesn't matter if JP was superior, it wasn't until he watched the final cut of Jurassic Park that he decided he could make the prequels. It isn't secret, he only discusses it on every making of Episode I doc in existance.
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dead ones
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Its coming. He'll use motion capture to do it, this is a way for him to practice with the technology the same way he used Jurassic Park to test CGI for the prequels. Watch.
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The state of your lives.
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The CGI/ anamatronics combination in Jurrasic Park are far superior to the prequels. So much so that it's hard to believe that ILM did both of them.My guess is that since Lucas did the prequels in all digital, he got lazy. It shows. I think in 10 ears, the prequels and special editions will all look so bad, while the originals will still be held up with praise
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...that this is a sick, fucking joke. PLEASE!!
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I remember seeing an interview with him where, when asked about working with George Lucas, he said he though Lucas would do away with actors if he could.
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this is an obvious sign.
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A hole in the ground
A beer can or can of worms
Pandora's Box
Pandora's legs
A bookA musical chord
Things that should remain closed, include
Coffin lids
Technology: Making Really Stupid S#!t Possible Since 1977 -
Your childhood was just the beginning!
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Doesn't mean it's not an abomination, but it'll happen.Yes, this particular story is brit-rag claptrap, but you know we'll see this. Soon. In fucking 3D.
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Dec 05, 2010 11:09:01 PM CST
I love that there are actually still dumb fucks that like Lucas
by sloppy2nds
..the guy is a greedy fat fucking hack with the creative talent of a cockroach crawling on your greasy counter.
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weren't gl and spielberg gonna make a new edition of Raiders of the Lost Ark with updated crap a la E.T.? And then south parq lampooned the idea in an episode and the two nixed the idea? Anyway, south parq should do an episode about this so gl can thinq twice. And if they do, I better be credited for the idea ;)-
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I feel the same way about Andy Rooney. Lets never have an obit for him
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his mother was raped by a thousand actors
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...is that George Lucas is still talking to Mel Smith. Or more importantly, that journalists are still talking to Mel Smith. And that we are not talking about him.
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Dec 06, 2010 12:34:03 AM CST
Good George died in 1980. The current version is pants-crapping
by jeditray
And he sure as fuck ain't MY uncle. He needs to redeem himself and bring us the ORIGINAL 1977, 1980, and 1983 versions of the REAL Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray.
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A quick quip about Lucas buying film rights to Dead movie stars sounds like some Rock and Roll, first thing to come to mind bullshit that a rock star might say just to remind you that someone has cajones or something....What will George do after a flick like this? Humphrey Bogart action figures?
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Christopher Reeve as Jor-El? That could be cool!!!
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and petition Lucasfilm to get their fingers out and MAKE eps 7, 8 and 9 already? We're going to be seriously old farts by the time Lucas realises by himself that it's his destiny to give man-birth to those three little pigs.
Yes, he knows the prequels were shit, we know the prequels were shit, and both of us know that HE will NOT be writing/directing any further SW movie, but merely producting it - and talented writing and directing motherfuckers like Jackson, Nolan or those turks who've been cranking out the Clone Wars toons WILL be drafted in to make the magic happen - ONE day.
The whole concept seems so fucking obvious to me and yet nothing's happening - Come on people, who's with me - do we REALLY want to be dribbling into our bibs and calling our carehome worker - who's male and young enough to be our son - "Mother", by the time we get to see what REALLY happened after the fall of the Empire, rather than some EU fanfuck shit? I feel like I'm taking fucking stupid pills here!
And fuck the TV Series, BTW - if there's ONE franchise that BELONGS on the BIG SCREEN, it's STAR WARS. I mean seriously, what the hell? -
NOBODY is asking for digitally de-aged Ford, Hammil, Fisher etc - that'd be just fucked up. Give us new characters, but cool ones. ie, just do a 180 away from everyone and everything that was done in the Prequels. Seriously - everything.
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Or a god entity at least. I think Jim Morrison was one too. Suns in a solar system that planets revolve around to enjoy the bright shining light.
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he should hang it up and let others direct.
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Dec 06, 2010 8:15:47 AM CST
He already made a film with dead movie stars - The Phantom Menac
by stan gable
Spike TV just had a marathon of of Star Wars and the more you watch TPM the more obvious the horrible acting becomes. You've really accomplished something when you can get such wooden performances out of Sam L. Jackson, Liam Neeson, Ewan MacGregor AND Natalie Portman. Redtails sounds uninspiring as shit and so does this. By no means should Lucas be restricted to only the Star Wars and Indiana Jones universes, but please come up with something more interesting.
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No point to this, No interest in this. So naturally Lucas wants to do it. If there really were a time machine, I would hijack it to go back in time to prevent his parents from meeting. I would do anything and everything to wipe out all he has ever done so no trace remains in this or any parallel universe. The world would be free. And George, if you are reading this, I hope it hurts you. I hope it hurts you real bad. I hope you cry like the big evil baby you are.
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Harry, I'm not going to bash your dislike of MST3K because I understand where you're coming from. The people that made those movies were giving it a honest shot and now we make fun of them. I can see where a high level film fan/historian such as yourself would find that if bad taste. I think many people will take the same kind of attitude with this project. Just because we have the technology to create new performances of dead stars doesn't mean we should. Do you think George Clooney is going to be uber-pumped about Aunt Rosemary back on screen, but with Will Smith? I just don't see it. At one point Mr. Lucas was full of story ideas that had little to do with technology and more to do with good film making. Lets encourage more of that.
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Clear and simple! I love it when Lucas pisses off irate fanboys. Kudos to George for doing it HIS way!
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Clear and simple! I love it when Lucas pisses off irate fanboys. Kudos to George for doing it HIS way!
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Those actually looked pretty nifty. The cast of Bonanza, John Wayne, Cary Grant, Groucho Marx - all were images lifted from their films and inserted into the commercials, so that they looked like they were drinking or pouring Coke and interacting with modern-day live actors. But again, those were images from actual films, not CGI representations...so who knows what a film with CGI resurrections of dead actors would look like? Fake as hell, probably. I'm both intrigued and creeped out by the idea, kinda like my reaction to Polar Express. Hey Lucas, I got a better idea...how about a CGI Star Wars film starring your GOOD SW characters, like Luke and Leia and Han, huh? The original cast could do the voices. Come on, you old fart, build a movie around GOOD idea, like you USED to. Geez...
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Dec 06, 2010 1:39:04 PM CST
In GL's defense, this seems flimsy...He's still a fag, though.
by azultool
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Gary Cooper in High Noon. John McGiver in The Manchurian Candidate. Sterling Hayden in The Godfather. They'll all shoot first.
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Maybe George Lucas is buying up likeness rights of dead celebrities to PREVENT them from being misused. Oh, wait, we're talking abut George Lucas. "Mesa called Marlon Brando!"
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http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/12/george-lucas-reanimating/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wiredunderwire+(Blog+-+The+Underwire)&utm_content=Twitter
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he's become a lifeless film-maker
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We can look forward to the greatest actors of all time morphed into wooden mediocrity with scripts and dialog on par with the Star Wars prequels. Yay.
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Why did you name yourself - Whooooop?
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And I'm sure if Lucas is making them they will be of the highest quality.
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Digital actors from the old stable manipulated by computers over digital scenery.
The entire film can be corporate made via some cpu interns, and corporate controlled, trite free of any human collaboration or real emotion.
meanwhile, all film creation of any merit or meaning comes from independent internet creators, still archaic enough to use actual actors. -
Can I buy the rights to Audry Hepburn and make her get gang-banged by the three stooges?
Seems like the implications to the idea are pretty shady. A lot worse things could happen than just using John Wayne to sell beer. -
Never been first before.
I want to see a 35 year old John Wayne in a Western with a 20 year old Clint Eastwood and a 60 year old Walter Brennen.
Oh, and bring back Mose and Drago and Fauntleroy Sage, as well. -
I imagine there will be a day when almost all actors will be CGI and we will not be able to tell the difference.
There will be alot of actors out of work then.
Probably some films will be advertised as "Containing Real Actors!" -
Lucas should use that technology to make a third STAR WARS trilogy (Thrawn Trilogy?), bringing back to life the younger versions of Harrison, Mark, Carrie and whover else is needed... and the real actors can play them, sorta like they did for AVATAR
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In a February 1997 WIRED interview Lucas:
"I'll probably get in trouble for this, but I am an ardent subscriber to the belief that people should own their own image, that you shouldn't be allowed to take anybody's picture without their permission. In the film business that's the way it is. If I come in here with my Panavision camera, and I take pictures of you guys and then put it in my movie without getting your permission, it's against the law. Now ABC News isn't any more or less commercial than a Paramount picture, but if I come in here with the same camera and do the same thing, and give it to ABC News, I can do it. My feeling is we should simply make it all the same: nobody is allowed to use anybody's image unless THEY (my emphasis) give them permission.It's not a matter of freedom of the press, because you can still write about people. You can still tell stories. It just means you can't use their image, and if you want to use their image, then they'll have to give you permission."
This is the last answer in a long discussion on copyright ownership in regard to film. -
George George George!! Please! Just stop. Go somewhere and count your money and stop this silly foolish notion that you have talent or that anyone wants to see what you do out of anything other than morbid curiosity.
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As far as I know, it was told many times, that they want to revive some stars for newer Movies.
And seeing how advanced some of the CGI-Tricks are today, it's quite possible:
Seeing the Terminator1&2-Arnie in the last Movie,
or a certain actor in Tron:Legacy, being his young self as a Program(remember the "Not anymore." before killing the Program, that even was in the first CGI-Test-Clip, that leaked).
Annother thing is: are the remaining Families of the actors - if present/alive - getting Money for their dead Family-Members or can he just use their image as a Tool? - The last would be quite mean. -
Dec 10, 2010 10:22:51 AM CST
Is George Lucas plotting to make a film full of Dead Movie Stars?
by kwisatzhaderach
No. He's not.
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Dec 10, 2010 1:13:16 PM CST
Would take a digital dead classic star over any of the idiots working today
by bong
Digital Gregory Peck > Twilight turds, zac effron, etc etc
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Dec 10, 2010 2:00:37 PM CST
GL is set to make a gay porn scene with John Wayne & Ronald Reagan
by azultool
It's actually quite tender.
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I dreamt of having Steve McQueen return, now I am an adult I realise that things like this will just be so many pixels. It will not be Steve McQueen, or Orson Welles, with their thoughts feelings & reactions. Just a facsimile with someone else pulling the strings, the essential personality will be gone, what made them watchable will be gone. Although that hasn't stop George before.
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For no other reason than George decided so many years ago. Can't wait to see which dead dudes he uses and what he does with them. Of course there would be a bunch of backward luddites on AICN crying about it. Later, haters! You don't decide the future of cinema... George does! Just as he always has.
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"Is George Lucas plotting to make some big coin by exploiting the images and memories of great Hollywood stars that can in no way refuse to take part in this project?" I'm guessing "YES".
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It's one thing to take footage from an old movie and splice it into a new one, like Steve Martin did with Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid. Ok, I get that, it worked, and it was funny as hell.
But this idea of putting digital actors in a movie with a dead movie stars face is just plain wrong. It's disrespectful to everything and everyone. Disrespects the dead. Disrespects the living... do we not have good enough actors and actresses out their that we have to dig up the dead to make a good movie?!
I don't get it. I like George Lucas. I liked all of his star wars movies, including ep 1 with jar jar binks. I had no problems with jar jar binks. I neither hated or loved the character. but this is just going too far.
I'm disappointed in George... if he wants to fantasize fine. But to have this in print, like he really is planning on doing it? Disgusting. -
if George really wants to do something creative - rework that han meeting jabba scene into something that makes sense.
Alter the dialogue so it's not a rehash of the greedo/han scene.
change where they meet so the falcon isn't in the background. This way when the dramatic (former revelation) musical cue that plays in the following scene when Luke sees the ship doesn't come off as ridiculous.
make jabba look like he's supposed to damn it. meaning make him look like he's does in return of the jedi.
Get a damn stand in actor (with Ford's face CGed over him) to simply walk in front of Jabba so we can all finally all be rid of the moronic "stepping on Jabba's tail" bit that was stupid in 1997, stupid when it was updated in 2010 and is still stupid now. It'll be even more stupid if it shows up yet again in 2011 on blu-ray.
Also dump bobafett's useless appearance and replace the generic 1977 background characters with some cool alien bodyguards or bib-fortuna or something. -
Its official....Lucas had lost his damn mind. Wow!
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This is a precursor to him producing Eps 7-9 using the likenesses of Ford, Hammil, Fisher etc as they were when he owned their asses.
If there is a dollar in it, Luca$ will do it. -
I really enjoyed Radioland Murders, too. I'm a big fan of OTR and found many episodes I used to listen to on Radio1710 Antioch through iTunes on Archive.com. I'm amazed at what they could do was sometimes more lively than television. One thing I would like to see is GL to resurrect Jack Webb to do a proper Dragnet CGI movie using voices from the Radio shows. I just don't have the capabilities to do the job, so I'm throwing it out there...just let me work on the project if someone takes up the call.
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Why don't we make a film with dead vaginas?
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a real director. Lucas sucks.
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wont there be problem with the estates of these stars. Its one thing to have posters of say bogie smoking and making it look cool back in the 1950s. but using say mo cap to bring these stars back to life to act with modern movies stars are repulsive. there are hardly any modern stars worth thier salt left. all the action/acting stars of the 1980s are either dead, washed up or like gibson completely nuts. there are the likes of pitt and jolie. and jodie foster. and or hanks. who could hold there own against these dead stars. everyone else forget about it. especially the young modern stars.
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This just feels wrong. Not that Hollow-wood doesn't commoditize people anyway. . .but this just blatantly pisses all over them.
Soon all the crap about "tribute" this and "dream cast" that will come out, and some people will even believe it. And there'll also be the "gory car wreck" crew who'll go just to gawk at the tech.
But ultimately, this is just holographic zombie pimpery at its worst. . .
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