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‘Have You Seen Col. Broyles??’ Hercules Says This Week’s First Post-Sweeps FRINGE Is The Third Season’s Best So Far!!

Fox says of Fringe 3.8, titled “Entrada”:
Peter grapples with the aftermath of recent events as Olivia desperately searches for an ally. Meanwhile, the Fringe Team discovers a critical device that communicates between universes.
I am loathe to give too much away, but “Entrada” is the best of the season-three “Fringe” episodes so far and the first to hop back and forth between Earth One and Earth Two. It is funny, moving, horrifying and enormously impactful. If you had to miss an episode, this would NOT be the one. Clues follow in invisotext. The new episode begins exactly where the last episode from two weeks ago ended, with Peter taking a call while Fauxlivia lies beside him in bed. This is a huge episode for both Broyleses. “It’s never too late for savings.” “What does it mean?” “Be a better man than your father.” “You have a lot of questions. I understand.” “I guess answers is where you draw the line.” We see a lot of the Typeset Antiques guy, on crutches. “I had to wait for seven years. Your kind isn’t so great at keeping promises.” “Because I feel there are very valuable parts for study and I would just have to replace her mass.” “I can also see my computer right here.” “Who am I to play God with other people’s lives?” Circular saw. “Oh no please AAUUGGHH!” “Sadly for my kind coming over here is a one-way ticket.” “What’s your daughter’s name?” Started out as an assignment but it became something more. That would be so much easier to believe if you weren’t in handcuffs right now. “I’m too important to lose.” “Go ahead. Try em out.” 9 p.m. Thursday. Fox.
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  • Dec. 1, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST


    by Briestro

    I'm looking forward to it first! :)

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST


    by AshokForgiven

    This show is kicking butt this season. I'm more excited about Fringe than ANYTHING on cable.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Can't fucking wait.

    by Cheif Brody

    Trailer had me at Bad Robot.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, midnight CST

    Anna Torv is so hot

    by batman713

    That is all.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST


    by Pogue__Mahone

    My favourite American show on right now!

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Man I'm so excited,

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    far better then anything on TV.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Anna Torv is related to Rupert Murdoch

    by DarthMrBelvedere

    Wooord. They can't axe the show homey

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Season three has been amazing so far...

    by Jimbonx

    Herc saying this is the best yet blows my mind :D

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    cant wait for fringe...

    by soup74

    that being said... Terriers ended on a high note. room for a second season, but satisfying if it ended here. everyone should catch up on it... 13 great episodes.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Is this the final Thursday episode?

    by CCon99

    Before the move to Friday's?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:44 a.m. CST

    BTW, Herc - Psych's Twin Peaks episode was hilarious.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 5:54 a.m. CST

    re Fringe

    by Ciderman

    Well feck me but Fringe has taken over from Dexter as the reason I turn on the TV each week...

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    so they find the typewriter? AltLivia is exposed?

    by Chain

    Olivia is getting cut up but it looks like Broyles rescues her. Damn this show is getting good.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    1 more Thursday Fringe

    by SSquirrel

    after this one. Then nothing till January 28th.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Frige Is Easily The Best Thing On TV Right Now!

    by Real Deal

    I can't rememeber a show I've anticipated so much! Things are really starting to ramp up in the storyline and this where Fringe always get's extra good. If you're watching for the first time remember they move it to Fridays in January. If they like it tell your friends because if any show deserved to survive on Friday nights it's this one!

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I Meant " Fringe " Of Course

    by Real Deal

    Sorry about the typo the dog ran under the desk pulling on the cords to my computer speakers. I'll say it again I wish this talkback had a edit function!

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    If they cancel Fringe.......

    by Ballbag will be PROOF that there is no justice in the world. Absolutely hooked me from the first episode and just got better. The season 2 episode with young Walter complete with retro opening theme was perfection.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Real Deal

    by D_T

    I've posted Fridge a couple of times. Though that is the best appliance in the house since it takes sweet care of my wonderful beer :D

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Need some Observer action

    by theGoldbergV

    dude hasn't spoke in about a year's worth of episodes

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    I can't wait.

    by HoboCode

    This episdoe is going to be the shiznit. Fringe has been awesoem this season. Really stepped up its game.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Can't AICN filter out these spammers?

    by HoboCode

    My god. Gargle my balls and your bullshit product guixin.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Where was the Observer in the last Ep?

    by GlyphGuy

    I went back to look for him but couldn't find him. Thought he might have been walking through the hospital at the end but was wrong...anyone find him?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Anna Torv WAS related to Rupert Murdoch

    by jim

    Her aunt (father's sister) was married to Murdoch but that marriage ended over 10 years ago.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Will this show still be bun without Fauxlivia?

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Let's face it, original recipe Olivia is frumpy and a little boring. I'll still watch but just sayin'.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    fun not bun

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Although given how often they've had but shots of Fauxlivia, both work.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by GlyphGuy

    I don't think we are going to have to worry about Olivia coming back and being boring. I think she will ultimately take on some of the fun personality of Fauxlivia. Best of both worlds, if you will.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Keep, not take on...

    by GlyphGuy

    She's not going to forget the memories or experiences that were planted in her by Walternate. She will be aware of them and act accordingly is what I was trying to say.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Herc, where's the story about Darabont firing

    by SithMenace

    the writing team for The Walking Dead? For those of you that don't know, he wants to make writing for the show a freelance job. Sounds like an intriguing, Twilight Zone style move, and may also free up some of the budget for season 2.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    If Fringe Doesn't Get a S4, I'm Going to Kill 15 People

    by Crow3711

    Fifteen. Mark it.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Glyph Guy re:Observer

    by theGoldbergV

    In the scene where Olivia and Henry get breakfast, the observer is in the background on the opposite side of the street.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Aren't they supposed to observe major events?

    by SithMenace

    Does that include observing breakfast?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    i think...

    by JaredP

    both worlds will come together and become one and i also think the people in the real universe will take on personality traits of there alternate universe counterparts

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST



    By the way, Astrid, I wouldn't use the bathroom.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Can someone explain to me

    by SithMenace

    the logic of the alt universe evolving in almost exactly the same way as ours? I would think the people would be completely different. For example, the odds of even one person's family tree being the same in two different universes are astronomical, yet all of the people in this universe are exactly the same genetically. I would think the butterfly effect would come into play early on, and the people in the other universe would evolve differently. All it would take is for someone's great, great, great grandfather looking the other way at that pivotal moment where he met his wife and voila, the family tree is changed forever. Not to mention there are millions or sperm that fight to fertilize that one egg, so for even one family to be exactly the same in the altverse is unbelievably against the odds. Am I missing something?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    that's not likely JaredP

    by Chain

    what is most likely to happen is that Broyles will bust Walternate and the two universes will work together because there's a third threat they both face.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    What's the third threat?

    by SithMenace

    I don't remember anything outside of the two universes other than the Observers.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by theGoldbergV

    besides the obvious answer of "its just a TV show", thats why I came up with my theory of the alternate universe being an offshoot of this one. TBH though, I think its just something you're supposed to accept and not think about. I would love it if they had an explanation though

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    ^ refers to your question about the alt universe

    by theGoldbergV

    as for the third threat...the first people perhaps?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by SithMenace

    I thought maybe there was a scientific explanation that was based in quantum physics or something, I'm not too familiar with that.<p>As far as the first people go, I'd be really surprised if they didn't turn out to be The Observers. But if the end of this season introduced a new species/dimension/threat that required the two universes to team up, that would be fantastic.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    Puzzled over this too. I think the logic is that the 'alternate offshoot universes' do not exist as anything different from our 'prime' universe until something happens to change one of them. So they were identical up until Walter crossed over. Or, perhaps to be technical, it could even be that the mere act of observing the other universe through the 'window device' actually altered one or both universes from that point, and events and people diverged then, but not prior to that time. But then again, that wouldn't explain the differences in the cash, the statue being different, etc etc.. so, never mind.. lol.. seems kind of scattershot then, unless they are using the same 'fate' concept they are using in Star Trek, where the alternate universe sort fo continually rubber-bands back as close as possible to the prime universe whenever possible, keeping some differences, but retaining overwhelming similarities. Who knows, it would be interesting to know if they have even thought it through really.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    It's not an alternate reality. It's a PARALLEL universe. Big difference.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Have you seen Monday's ratings Herc?

    by Cash907

    Yeah, Chuck kicked the shit out of The Ev3nt, again. <p> What am I saying, of course you noticed, which is why there is no usual talkback for Monday night's numbers.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Interesting Nero

    by SithMenace

    So I wonder if the "parallel universe" (sorry HoboCode) exists within the framework of our universe and we just share physical space on a different plane, or if there is another universe completely outside of our own, with another solar system, Milky Way, etc. I would really like to hear the explanation for this since it's always bothered me.<p>Your offshoot theory could actually work, and at the point that Walter crossed over (20 years ago or something), it caused a ripple effect, such as changing the money, finding a way to clean the Statue of Liberty, preventing the 9/11 attacks, going completely digital, etc. It does seem like a lot of differences for a 20 year span, but I guess it is possible according to the show's logic.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Third Threat

    by GlyphGuy

    I don't think a 3rd threat, or any threat, would come from the Observers. As it stands, they have not done anything other than try to keep things the way they are, or at least how they should be. If they are the first people, then perhaps they are the only ones that can sense the true threat that the two worlds are beginning to create.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    But that ripple effect would also have to apply

    by SithMenace

    to the people now. Any differences caused in that universe will result in family trees branching off on their own, and that would mean for the last 20 years humans were no longer producing exact doubles. It would be interesting to see an episode that addresses that.<p>I love the show regardless, and I think it's on fire right now. Hope it keeps up.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by SithMenace

    Which I suppose would mean a paradox, which we're already starting to see in the parallel universe. Maybe they're the reason things have evolved so similarly, but that would mean direct involvement vs. just observing. As far as we've been told, they're involvement is very little, just a tweak here and there.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I'm enjoying Fringe, just hoping it doesn't end up like Alias

    by Quadrillionaire

    or LOST. Has Abrams ever produced a show with a satisfying ending? Not yet.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by SithMenace

    I think Felicity fans were happy.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by GlyphGuy

    I think the tweaks by the observers are probably just enough to keep things in line on both sides. Maybe not enough logically, but enough that this is the writers way of addressing your concerns. Perhaps there are little spermy Observers in everyone making sure the right seeds are planted in each family, like the miniturized Stewie in Family Guy.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    SithMenace -- Felicity is gay

    by Quadrillionaire

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by SithMenace

    They need to make that episode. Now.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 4 p.m. CST


    by SithMenace

    Technically that makes her a lesbian. For future reference.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Ana Torv

    by MegaBeth

    Makes my pee pee stand straight up.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    That funny because Abrams had nothing to do with LOST

    by AshokForgiven

    Why the hell do people keep associating JJ Abrams with LOST, he had nothing to do with it, for the 1000th time.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    "Anna Torv WAS related to Rupert Murdoch"

    by AshokForgiven

    Well this is true, Anna Torv USED to be related to Rupert Murdoch. Then again, unlike me and my ex-uncle, Torv's ex-uncle just happens to be a billionaire. And Murdoch's ex-niece just happens to be a celebrity that works at company that he presides over. <br><br>I'm not saying they are or aren't estranged, but they surely have to be aware of each other. Fringe can't die, can it???

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by SithMenace

    Abrams had nothing to do with later seasons, but he co-created Lost and directed the pilot. To say he had nothing to do with it is inaccurate.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    BigDaddyNero and SithMenace

    by theGoldbergV

    I had the same theory in the last Fringe TB and was shot down by someone (Crow I think) who said that Kennedy is alive in the alt verse, so the differences must PRE-DATE Walter crossing over. However, if it was just the act of observing the alternate universe that 'caused' it to exist, then that could've happened by someone else BEFORE Walter did it. If thats the way the writers went with it, it would be fantastic and it very loosely fits in with quantum mechanics, in the same way that the science on Fringe only loosely connects with reality. <P><p>The other thing about the Observer is, he CAUSED Walternate to miss the cure for Peternate (hey, did I just make that name up?)'s disease, which then caused Walter to cross over. The universe then attempted to sort of 'course correct' itself (hello LOST fans) and kill them both in the lake until the Observer stepped in again to save them. So in effect the Observer caused all of this to happen. <P><P>Did I mention that Fringe is awesome?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Whats wierd is how Fringe basically began how...

    by AshokForgiven

    ...we all wanted LOST to end. lol

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Dear Fox,

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    All I ask is that if by chance you have to end this show that you allow it to wrap up things nicely. Thank you.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by ballyhoo

    Nice one, Walter.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST


    by seanny_d

    Trust me, I've thought about this idea before myself. But ultimately I kind of chalk it up to the invisible hand of the universe kind of pushing things in a specific direction. Call it "fate" or something else, but there's a path that creates identical versions of people. So I let that slide.<p><p>But I'm seriously loving this show. They better not cancel it. I need at least another season.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    The Grand Hotel

    by frankenstone

    Gaudi's Grand Hotel would most likely have been built between 1908 and 1960 in the Alt-Verse - in fact, there might have been some on screen narration to this fact but I don't have access to last season's episodes... So the divergence in the two universes has to go back AT LEAST that far. One might also assume that the Hindenburg disaster never occurred in 1937 - which would mean that the universes diverged prior to that, when the Germans in the

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Ourverse v. Altverse

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    I think the implication is that there is no divergence. That both universes have been existing side by side since the beginning of "time." And with Entrada we have another goddamn good episode. It will take a lot to top White Tulip but so far this is the most consistent the show's ever been.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    The Grand Hotel

    by frankenstone

    Gaudi's Grand Hotel would most likely have been built between 1908 and 1960 in the Alt-Verse - in fact, there might have been some on screen narration to this fact but I don't have access to last season's episodes... So the divergence in the two universes has to go back AT LEAST that far. One might also assume that the Hindenburg disaster never occurred in 1937 - which would mean that the universes diverged prior to that, when the Germans in the alt-universe decided to make their zeppelins out of something NON-FLAMMABLE.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST


    by sangwyn

    Apparently you didn't read the info on the 3rd season that's out there: Pinkner and Wyman more or less say that SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER the First People are NOT the Observers but are probably related to the machine that Peter will end up building. And they are also related to SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Sam Weiss.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Wonder what myself is doing in a alternate universe?

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    I bet BurndedNotice_Dude is a contributor to AICN.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Understanding the Multiverse

    by InActionMan

    The best explanation of current thinking on the parallel universes in the real world of physics I ever heard came from the NPR science show "RadioLab". <P> Physicist Brian Greene was interviewed by Robert Krulwich at the 92nd street Y. <P> Some physicists believe that since all we are is a pattern of matter and energy; And if there is a finite number of patterns into which matter and energy can be arranged; and there is an infinite or at least extremely large amount of matter and energy then patterns will begin to repeat. So it is possible that far on the other side of the universe there may be an identical Earth, with an identical you, reading what an identical me just posted. <P> You can listen to the podcast here: <P> <P> With a much better explanation of all this stuff than I can provide.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by InActionMan

    The Hindenburg blew up because the United States embargoed Helium from the Nazis as a protest against their policies. Helium is inert and was not widely available outside of the U.S. at the time. The Germans were forced to use very flammable hydrogen. Oh the humanity.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    I'm so going to work that into a conversation tomorrow.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    RIP col. broyles

    by JaredP

    at least he died a heros death by helping the real olivia get back home

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I am a bit confused with the ending...

    by AshokForgiven

    Let me get this straight... fauxlivia mass swapped with dead Broyles to get to the altverse at the end, correct? <br><br> But the real Olivia jumped back to the lab with Astrid w/o mass swapping? Is this because she is special?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    When Olivia crossed over in previous eps

    by GlyphGuy

    what was it that kept bringing her back? lack of cortexiphan?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST


    by GlyphGuy

    was it that they interrupted the tank she was in? I kind of assumed the soldiers would have looked in the tank, but maybe not since they immediately chopped up Broyles.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Ah right I forgot Olivia only needs cortexiphan to jump

    by AshokForgiven

    I hope this show gets renewed in the BLUE universe!!!

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    RIP ALT Broyles

    by Sedani

    nuff said...

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    It was ok

    by Briestro

    I wasn't blown away though. I still like this season better than the other two, but it's still kinda filled with basic tropes. That universe wasn't created when Walter crossed over either, have you been watching this series? That universes problems started when Walter crossed over is all. B

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Man that was so awesome!

    by room23storeblogspotcom

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    The universe was created with Jughead

    by AshokForgiven

    But Walter really pissed them off.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 12:43 a.m. CST

    I've been wondering if the whole Walter caused

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    all of the problems is a mislead and if in reality all of this was caused by Walternate experimenting with coming back and forth. It might have started with Walter stealing Peter, but I'm wondering if maybe Walternatecaused all of the rest of the problems?

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Olivia's reaction

    by Hercules

    to Broyles' giant adrenaline needle amused me mightily.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Can't shake the image of Broyles' slaughtered body

    by zillabeast

    That shit got to me pretty good. I don't think I've been that shaken up by a TV series since the SeaQuest was destroyed by aliens in the 2nd season finale.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    What I don't get though is

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Broyles had to have weighed about 25 - 50 pounds more then Olivia. did they gut him or something?

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 1:40 a.m. CST

    psych got a 500k bump in viewers with the peaks tribute

    by brabon300

    nice to know that there are still many out there that care

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Broyles mass

    by chromedome

    looked like they cut off his arms to match it to Fauxlivia's

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Pa. They reduced Broyles mass accordingly.

    by Cheif Brody

    Kinda looked like one of those crazy alien morphs from "The Thing" in the back of that van. <p> LOVED Peter's shot to the middle of "Mom's" forehead...right in front of her horrified daughter! Bet that shapeshifter was PISSED...gettin all that alt-pussy...then having to become a chick!! <p> "That would mean so much more...if you weren't wearing handcuffs right now". AWESOME LINE. <p> Looks like we got a new alt-bad guy to root against at the end there...the one who took the device piece off the cripple. Kinda gave off a Benjiman Linus vibe, didn't he? Man...Michael Emerson would be great on this show. Has he signed on to do anything else post-LOST? <p> Broyles looking at his own dead body on the slab was also pretty fucked up. Shutting his own eyes? Chills. <p> "Vagenda". God I love our Walter. <p> Anna Torv's look straight into the camera lens from the typewriter mirror also gave me chills. <p> So...Questions...How will Walternate spin the missing Broyles to the Alt-Fringe team? Kidnapped? Found burned beyond recognition? Tell 'em the truth? He was a traitor? <p> HOW will our Walter figure out how to make BOTH universes coexist in the same space? Can Olivia really deliver on her promise to dead Broyles? <p> Will Olivia figure out how to use the typewriter to send messages to the other side? <p> Finally. Where are the Observers? How much has to fuck up before they start to take action?

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 5:07 a.m. CST more question...

    by Cheif Brody

    Isn't it time Olivia went bowling again?

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Why didn't they have surveillance on the repair shop?

    by SID 8.0

    They know this is their main form of communication.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 7:30 a.m. CST

    I bet this series has been renewed...

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    in other alternate universes.<p>Come on Fox.Keep up with them.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    I think that's exactly right, room23storeblogspotcom

    by PackyMcCracken

    I think Walternate is responsible for all of the real damage since Walter absconded with Peter. He is a driven, arrogant and angry man and could care less about the fallout of his experiments as long as he gets the answers. Both Walters share this trait, but the anger in Walternate has made him more reckless especially since he can pin any destruction on Walter's initial breach. Who could prove him wrong? And why isn't our universe falling apart? Walter made one trip over and back. Walternate and his minions have been sending shapeshifters, equipment and entire buildings over and we don't have vortexes in the East River or giant amber "plugs" holding the fabric of our universe in place. I think this is because Walter is actually smarter than Walternate. Walter was able to save Peter when Walternate could not. Walter was able to jump universes 20 years before Walternate could - and he could only do that by studying Olivia, whose ability is due in part to Walter and Belly's experiments. I think part of Walternate's rage is just the realization that there is a smarter version of him out there. His ego can't stand it.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Great Episode...hate these long breaks

    by Sloppy2nds

    Fox was smart when they started running 24 for 24 weeks straight .. I dont understand why shows need these extended breaks. What they did to Alt-Broyles was just NASTY!!

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by heylookoverthere

    Actually Walternate was able to cure peter when Walter could not, he just didn't realize it. Walter even remarks "you're very, very, smart" when he notices that the compounds walternate was using to try and cure Peter weren't random. Also it seems like walternate found a way to at least send the shapeshifters between worlds some time ago. The typewriter guy states that it's been at least seven years.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I 3rd the theory that Walternate is responsible for his Earth dy

    by zillabeast

    Although I think he intentionally causes the cataclysmic events on his side in order to make himself appear as a savior of sorts, stopping the spread of destruction though his science, and gaining public popularity for it. This is why he's the Secretary of Defense. He did it to put himself in a position of power so that he may get his revenge for Peter's abduction. One interesting note though - the East River Vortex....I seem to recall they dated that as having occured on October 17, 1989. That's the same date as the World Series Earthquake in San Francisco. So maybe there is some other connection they have not yet revealed. Either way, FRINGE is off the motherfucking chain right now. We mortals don't deserve TV this good.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Cheif Brody - Observers

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Well from what I understand they are onlyt allowed to observe and when they do take action they have to return things back to course. Like when Walternate found the cure for Peter I believe the Observer appeared which cause him to miss the cure, so the Observer fixed his mistake by pulling Peter & Walter out of the icey lake because for some reason Peter is supposed to live in order to do something. <br> <br> Also in that on Observer episode "August"?, August saved/kidnapped a girl that was supposed to die in a plane crash or something and was ordered to fix it by killing her. <br> <br> We even got a warning from them last season that things were going to become quite unpleasent when talking about Olivia. So I take that as its something that she had to go through as part of the unalterable timeline and stepping in would change things for the worse.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    is this serialized or not?

    by DioxholsterImperium

    last time i watched it was crime of the week

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Re : D_T

    by Real Deal

    LOL! A great episode last night!

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Re : frankenstone

    by Real Deal

    There probably doesn't have to be a divergence point. They were probably always slightly different from the get go.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Re : SID 8.0

    by Real Deal

    That's the only question I have for this episode. How did that guy in the typewriter shop get off scott free? You'd think they'd be pumping him full of truth serum to find out where the lost piece to the machine was.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Bald guys

    by Oldnewbie

    So what happened to them? Did I blink and miss the episode where they all went home to Planet Savalis? You'd think with all the crap about to go down they'd be a-watchin. Oh and I hated when they made them an organization instead of just one cool dude who'd been around for 1000 years. So maybe it's best they've been MIA.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Best show on network TV

    by Mazzer

    We'd better keep watching.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    They Cut Off His Arms AND Legs

    by Crow3711

    Did you guys all cringe and look away like little girls or what? It was, probably, the most gruesome thing I've seen on a network cable show ever. I mean, movie-wise, that was rated R for sure. Right up there with what the Walking Dead is up to over on AMC. But it was clear his legs were chopped off too. I'd say his arms and legs are definitely equal to the 40-50 pounds difference b/w he and Fauxlivia. <p> Also, awesome episode. I love this show. It better get re-newed in this universe. Cancel in some other universe. Cause fuck those versions of us, that's why. <p> Also, I mightily enjoyed Olivias sequence with the adrenaline also. In fact, I thought Torv's dual-characters both gave their best performances to date. Especially our Olivia. Her scene with Broyles, with those surgical lines all over her, was brutal. Well done, Anna Torv. You have come a long way from the first season. And you're now smokin' hot in two universes.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Does Alt. Astrid have Asperger's?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Because that's EXACTLY the way Jaskia Nicole is playing it. Very Chloe O'Brien-ish.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Once again, Fringe shows

    by elgato73

    why it's the best series on television. Two more episodes until the winter break.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST


    by room23storeblogspotcom

    The "bald guys" or Observers have been in every episode since the pilot if you look had enough, theres always one in the back ground. But as for them showing up and doing something important just like the Smoke Monster on Lost (except for the last season) they only show up once or twice a season. So I'm betting that we will get a good Observer episode some time between now and June, maybe two.

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST


    by Haligonian

    For those of you interested. The Observers come back in a BIG way two or three episodes down the line. I work full time on the show and can't say much, but it involves a jewelery store robbery and a rebel observer.

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Eh, it was okay...

    by Gislef_crow

    It was certainly a good episode, but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, or best ever. I still think only Noble and Reddick are the only above-average actors on the show. Noble was kinda wasted in Entrada, and Reddick had his moments but is usually wasted. The actress playing his wife was kind of a damp squib.<p> IMO, the show seems to work best when it brings in a relatively strong actor, and focuses on the personal angle behind the "criminal" of the week. Stuff like The Plateau, Amber 31422, White Tulip, Northwest Passage. I'll agree that Entrada was Torv's best performance, but that's damning her with faint praise.<p> Other than the shock ending with alt-Broyles, everything pretty much played out as expected. Did anyone NOT expect Broyles or the taxi driver to end up dead for helping Olivia? Or that she wouldn't get back? Or that Bolivia would escape scott free?

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Does Haligonian know JettL93?

    by DrAwkward

    He must,because that busy, brilliant bastard Jett works full time on every show. And movie. Ever.<p><p><p>In an alternate reality that is. In this world he's only slightly amusing, like an average episode of Family Guy. <p> But that's actually pretty awesome if you actually work on Fringe, Haligonian. But you could also just be a troll who checked the cast list on IMDB or something. IMO that would be pretty awesome, too, though. I haven't seen a troll since last time I was in Central Park.

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Nasty In The Pasty

    by robzilla

    alternate-astrid actually has aspergers. jaskia nicole said so in an interview on hitfix. it's never mentioned on the show but the writers told her. obviously it's in the script, too.

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Troll Observers

    by Haligonian

    Haha. You're right, I could be a troll. I have been reading this sight since 2000 and rarely post. I'm not a big internet guy, but i know what a troll is, and I don't think what I posted counts as trolling. I was reading this post because whether or not Fringe does well actually affects my future employment. I don't want to have to go back to working on Eureka. I guess just watch the next few episodes. This episode guest starred Christopher Lloyd and the observer that goes nuts is called September, I think.

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I Did Read About An Episode With Christopher Lloyd

    by Real Deal

    On another website ( io9 ) recently. In that bit Lloyd also said they were also bringing back William Bell ( somehow ) so Leonard Nimoy would be in it as well. I know he's said he retired but this would be great if true.

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by heylookoverthere

    I hope oliva runs into non-alternate Andre Royo (the taxi driver) now that she's back and confuses the fuck out of him by thanking him or something. Maybe in this universe he's still a crackhead and she can buy him a dimebag.

  • Dec. 5, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    I've heard the real paraworlds theory

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> as explained in a earlier post in this thread except, that it's not a distance thing like on the outer edge of our verse, but in the same room, vicinity, area. Just detached enough that we can't see it using our current instruments. </P> <P> Just like thousands of radio signals are in the room but your radio is tuned to only one. We are tuned to this one verse and stuck to it like fly paper. They are testing gravity wave sensors to see if there could be other verses, looking for gravitons. Gravity being the weakest force, seems to fall in and out of our verse and may interact with other verses. That's why they are weak, because in theory, they are spread out. </P>

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Random theory:

    by superlaser

  • Dec. 6, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Try that again

    by superlaser

    Random theory: If Faux-livia really does have feelings for Peter and Walternate is eventually exposed as responsible for everything, wouldn't it be awesome if they killed our Olivia and had Faux-livia change sides? Kill of the main character, but still be able to keep her on in a form that more people actually prefer? The fact that there's two of everyone means that they can kill people off if they want to much more readily than most shows, as B-royles's fate showed.