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Heath Ledger to play JOKER one last time, albeit briefly, in Nolan's final BATMAN film?!?
Hey folks, Harry here with a story that came out of this New Zealand website and the news isn't exactly new, I feel... as I do remember back during the hot & heavy discussion about THE DARK KNIGHT, that there was discussion of editing room floor footage possibly being used in a sequel... But here there seems to be quite a bit of discussion about it all. I'd say it is absolutely worth doing if the footage works. Otherwise, let his Oscar winning performance be what it is, an exclamation point to a brilliant, but too short career. What do you folks think?
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yeah
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Hope it's true!
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Can't top TDK. Why try? Leave Ledger out of the sequel.
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Do it!
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Otherwise include it as a deleted scene on the dvd.
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... by 14 seconds.
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to the story, and not just some cash grab attempt.
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quite sometime back, there is no unused footage
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If it actually works with the story and makes sense and isn't just like something added for no reason.
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As the next villan.
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That was an overshadowed highlight in Batman2
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For example, Batman will walk through the halls of Arkham and hear a familiar laugh. And in one of the cells we'll see the Joker. They could take unused footage of Ledger, digitally manipulate it to insert him into brief scene such as this. It will just be a cameo, not a full-fledged scene.
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Makes me think of that scene in GODFATHER II... that glorious, warm scene around the family dinner table with all the Corleone's including James Caan. A great counterpoint to the loneliness that Michael / Al Pacino reign has brought.<p> That scene which I believe was shot for the original movie and then slipped into the second one.<p> The same goes for THE KARATE KID. The final scene where Miyagi gives Sensi Kreese his 'just desserts'. They didn't use it in the original movie but it formed the opener for KARATE KID 3.<p> If Nolan has some footage of Heath as the Joker that would make sense in the new movie - then the Dojo says USE IT.<p> Us human beings come and go but film is forever. I can't imagine any late actor having objection to one last curtain call...
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it kind of perhaps brings Harley Quinn into play...no?
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he was awful in every flick I saw him in. He didnt get an oscar for portraying the joker: he got an oscar for being dead. he'll forever be the annoying nonce from 10 things I hate about you.
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but anyone who reads Batman comics will tell you his interpretation of The Joker was horrible! That is NOT how the Joker looks/ dresses/ sounds.... his skin and hair are not just make-up and a dye job! I hate Hollywood thinking they have to put a "real world" spin on comic books for people to like them... Spiderman and Ironman showed that you can stay true to the comics and still be successful. 'Nuff said.
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this is only being considered for it's Market value. The hype that this will create is invaluable to the studios and to the filmmaker!<p>not saying that nolan isn't up to the job but simply that it maybe shoe horned in due to it's value towards marketing the final product!
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That Lt. Frank Drebin will also make an appearance helping out Commish Gordon. umm..too soon?
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focus on the new villians...cameo will only cheapen the performance
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If he has footage, he'll only use it if it fits the story, and is respectful.
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why stop there? new batman consisting only of dead actors no one cared about until they died. sounds like a winner to me
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fanboys would cream their pants
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what footage could that possible have that they could use for this film? sounds like a false rumor to me.
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i think it would be great if they fully brought the Joker back for a sequel, using a CGI Heath Ledger and some decent actor to do the motion capture... AVATAR style... also, i agree that there's too much of a "real world" spin in Nolan's BATMAN movies... i still prefer the Burton/Keaton movies... and, yeah, film is a business, every decision made for movies that you pay tickets to see, is a business decision... get over it ;)
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Yes! Pyg as the villian! And Flamingo! Fuck the Joker!
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Really HomerJay1? Didn't Spiderman change the webs from synthetic to organic? Didn't Iron (SPACE) Man make Jarvis a computer instead of an old butler? Changes are made, as these are ADAPTATIONS. Ledger's Joker showed the psychosis that the Joker seems to have in most comic book representations of him, especially those more recently written.
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just mo-cap him and do it like bridges in tron 2 - you know, terribly.
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I say we dig his ass up and make him work...there are plenty of things they can do with animatronics.... or they could just recast...it could happen...but weirdo fan boys must have the one and only forever and ever amen.
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just the black suit, these movies could just as easily be Bourne or Bond...maybe even a Tom Clancy novel- they would still be good movies, just not Comic Book Superheros!
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he's got the Joker laugh down, and he hasn't gotten a good role in YEARS.....
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go back to TDK, digitally removed ledger and add Jack Nicholson. have the family return the oscar or give it to jack.
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You proved my point about Spiderman being more like a comic book, they even made him MORE spider-like with the organic web shooters (a good move) And the most recent adaptations of the Joker in the comic are more like the movie, just because the movie was so successful- jsut like how the comics got more campy after the success of the 60's Batman TV show.
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and if you really didn't like The Lord of the Rings movies.... come on dude, you have no joy in your life and should probably hang yourself on Christmas Eve.
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I call bulls@#t. Nolan is to smart to play a cheap card like this. Nolan respects Ledger, and it was tough for him to accept the Oscar for Heath. I chalk this up to a rumor.
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I have no desire to see shoehorned footage. It'll reek of a cheap trick. Just move on and let TDK stand on its own as Ledger's final performance.
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target. black friday. trilogy on blu-ray. $8. score.
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just saying
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his 'finale' fight scene was seriously the weakest most anti climactic way he could have gone out not to mention the dueling boats of morality 'who's going to press the button first' was boring and stupid as shit. reminded me of something from the Adam west batman tv show, i thought Nolan's universe was supposed to be non cheesy? So yes i'm for them bringing back the Joker since they made him go out like a puff of smoke in Dark Knight
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I'm not saying the Nolan moves were bad, I love them.. just that as a life long fan of the real batman (comic books) I'd love to see big time adaptation true to the comics.. starting with a Batman that doesn't wear a big black rubber suit that he can barely move around in... if that makes me an idiot, well, all I can say is that I hope you die of AIDS.
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Their a pretty reliable source for Batsy shit.
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Nothing is set in stone and Chris has said that if it isn't 110 percent effective then we won't include it at all. Personally, I oversaw some of the first tests and the footage does look good, the question now is can we edit it into newly shot footage and or use Motion capture to expand what footage we have.
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for some cunt to show up and pretend they were involved in the project. what a cunt
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Shame on you Harry for reporting such shit. Nolan would NEVER do that. Other than that Heath Ledger's interpretation of the Joker in Nolan's Batman universe was fantastic, I can't praise him enough, he was a great actor would loved to have followed his career further.
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On the fence, actually... Might be dope, might be wack. Sounds like a bullshit story anyway...
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...then it's bull. I don't care how reliable a source, if it's not coming from Nolan himself, then it's just another run of fan-boy fantasy.
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I haven't been keeping tabs here enough lately, but seems it's been quite awhile since your last visit. S'no fun when we don't get the occasional JettL "peek behind the curtain." You know, the deep-down intel and shit.
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Artists get raped after death. It's a fact of life (or death) Sky Captain & The World of Tomorrow him in Batman3 for one scene atleast!
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Nov. 30, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST
any news on the other villains in the next Batman flick Jett?
by Righteous Brother
Seeing as you're in the know?
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Nov. 30, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST
JettL! Where the fuck have you been?
by DanielPlainviewOnVacationInBoston
Did your mom put a new password on her computer or something?
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I heard the footage worked really well spliced in with Megan Fox's Catwoman screen test. Also Nick Fury is in it.
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set up the joker and Harley Quinn's backstory, even if briefly.
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If this is true, I hope it's used within good taste and is essential to the plot.
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but if true I'm all for it.
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Let The Dark Knight performance stand on its own, it was basically perfect. Trying to work him back in posthumously just feels ghoulish.
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..that Joseph Gordon-Levitt would make a great Joker in the same vein as Ledger. In terms of appearance, they could be brothers so he's got the look down (with theJoker get up on, it would be damn near indistinguishable). I have only seen him in a couple movies ('500' and 'Brick') and I think he's obviously a capable actor, not sure if he could channel an inner madman so eloquently as Ledger did with the Joker but I think, for the character's sake, it's worth a try.<p>As to Ledger's take on Joker, yeah, so it's not the comic book and yeah, so it's got some distinct inspiration from Burton's Joker but those are just templates on the page, the life of that character came from Ledger, the voice, the mannerisms, the look he gives people are he talks to them, how animated he gets when he speaks, the little bits here and there (my favorite being when he asks Gordon "Could I please just have a minute!" when about to cut off Bat's mask after the great semi flip, after Gordon shoves a shotgun up against the back of Joker's head).<p>And, especially seeing so many of Nolan's crew in Inception, I was (and still am, to an extent) hoping we'll see Joker recast with JGL.<p>I love what Ledger did with Joker and after seeing TDK many many times, I can say with confidence that it is Ledger's performance that makes that film as re-watchable as it is.<p>But I also love the Joker as a villain probably more so than any other villain in any genre. The angle Ledger played was brilliant and was not Oscar-worthy simply because he died (you cynics) but his death certainly garnered some exaggeration on the overall quality of TDK (still one of the most excellent comic book movies). Time will tell, of course...
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do they need to set up for Harley Quinn? The Joker is gone from this realm of movies. Nolan has said this film will be a final/end movie, and he said the Joker would not be returning. So why the fuck would they be setting up for Harley Quinn if there's no Joker? You think Nolan is going to rewrite the comics to a point where Harley is just some deranged fan of the Joker following in his foot steps?
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And they released a publicity shot of it back when TDK was coming out. It's after the joker throws Maggie G off the building there was a get away sequence with the Joker in the back of a car and doing something like wiping blood off his face. There's like 2 lines of dialogue. That was the only scene that was cut
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Just super busy with alot of projects right now, I Was offered the job of doing some editing on the new Green Lantern film and i couldn't turn that down seeing as I had helped to shape the script. Also most of my weekends are spent up at skywalker ranch supervising the 3D conversion of The phantom Menace.<P>It's funny how time just slips away and I never have time to post online
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...HL Joker they can fit in the movie, the better.
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But as other posters have said before, if Nolan himself doesn't say it, i'll have a hard time believing in this news.
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JettL1993 is hilarious, he's not a random troll. Are you?
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anyone see joker tapes? heath's performance can be mimicked sorta
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He didn't say no recast, he said no Joker. Period. His perspective is that it was already done and the franchise will now move forward.
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Then I think Hamill should get the Joker part. It would be a cool bookmark to his career. If not him then David Bowie.
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that Nolan always thought that the title, "The Dark Knight", could also mean Harvey Dent. I'm searching for the quote/comment source, but if that's true it makes, "The Dark Knight Rises" as a title, a hell of a lot more interesting.
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DK was the only standout performance he ever had. Stop sucking the corpse's dick.
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...and just make sure you don't fuck up the 3D with the OT. Don't care how the others turn out.
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work together in the third film. Imagine the mafia meeting from TDK, only with JGL as the Joker, Murphy's Scarecrow, Eckhart's Two-Face, and a good actor like Christoph Waltz playing the Riddler. All trying to manipulate each other. Directed by Christopher Nolan. Dear God. That scene alone would be worth the price of admission.
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Sure, it was a good performance. The best of Heath Ledger's middling career. So what?
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america, fuck ya!
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Nov. 30, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST
I trust Nolan and want to make sweet, sweet love to him, period.
by heyscot
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it's in the contract! 20 feet to be exact!
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Jude Law play him?
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the should cast Shaquille O'Neal as KAZAAM! the rapping genie.
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They CGI'd him in after he died to complete the movie using dialog he had already said, but that cost them something like a million just for a 2 second clip, so to use the Heath Ledger would cost a hell of a lot for a longer clip. But i think its a great idea, Arkham Prison certainky needs to be shown as it hasnt been in either of Nolans Movies now, so im sure we will get to go see some of the crazies that nolan can think up in there.
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you are a idiot
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What do Peter Sellers and Heath Ledger have in common?
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Nov. 30, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST
Didn't they do the same thing in Superman Returns?
by room23storeblogspotcom
Where Singer took footage of Marlin Brando and used it as a fortrus of Solitude scene between Superman & Kal-El. I'm not a big fan of Returns, but I felt that scene worked.
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that's a guess.
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pretty sure nolan has shot this down about a dozen different times.
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Would be to have him in Arkham, like someone else mentioned, with a comment made to Batman about how they've given up on keeping him from harming himself, or something along those lines, thus setting up the return of the Joker in future films or perhaps even in this one?? Portrayed by someone similar, hopefully Levitt!
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Wasn't that Arkham in the Narrows in Batman Begins? Pretty sure it was.
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So who knows maybe they can do Ledger too..
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I forget which talkbacker suggested that to me, but good job. That would be fantastic.
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in next Batman. "I warned him"
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Wow. Remember watching TDK with my girl and both of us laughing at the bad dialogue, Christian Bales gravel voice, stupid plots and that awful, awful morality boat scene. Lets send the city in to chaos by knocking off inept government officials??? mmmmm, me thinks they should have given him the keys to the city. And no, Im not a hater. I did like the popcorn I bought. So there!!!
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Either from outside his cell in arkham or on audio recordings like in the game 'arkham asylum' - since presumably Harley Quinn will make an appearance, she will fulfil his part in person, following any plans he has set in place.
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But it's similar to my idea: conclude The Dark Knight at Rachel's demise, and have the third movie be about Two Face. You could stretch and improve the Two Face plot, and keep all the following Joker material (hospital, money burning, building).
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Nov. 30, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST
Hire a noticeably taller actor who just conceals his face
by CreasyBear
behind a cape or something, a la` Ed Wood. Or I guess they'll just go the CGI route Ridley Scott went with the slave trader from Gladiator to finish up his unfinished scenes (forgot his name, Oliver Reed?) Slice and dice some backgrounds, keep some dialogue.
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Sure. Okay... Because everyone knows that "Jett", the hillbilly douche, that runs that site is "really credible". That dude is an ego-maniac and an illiterate redneck.
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It would shock me if Nolan were to use old footage of Ledger for what would amount to a gag. There would be no point. Obviously, The Joker has to be alluded to in the next film, but to have a trite scene, which is what it would be since it'd have to entail his stay in Arkham, is silly and is bound to pull the audience out of the movie. <p> Also, HomerJay1 is right. Nolan's bat films, particularly TDK, are too realistic. I mean except for the ferry full of prisoners who suddenly gain a conscience.
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Name a recent (not unreleased) movie you had absolutely no involvement, either on writting, shooting, or post-prod. Let's see if you are able not to contradict yourself.
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I can't believe that such a blantantly made up story such as this is being run on this site! First of Nolan being the perfectionist he is doesn't shoot footage that ends up on the cutting room floor, everything goes into the final product. Secondly he's already stated that The Joker won't be in this next film and lastly the whole idea of creating continuity by shoehorning in supposed footage of a character from the previous film is nuts. Continuity is established in a much more subtle manner. Still can't believe you posted this guff Harry!
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Please don't do this. Just let it be...
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As in, if the material calls for it and Nolan uses it appropriately, I'm all for it. Otherwise it'd be a tacky moment that'd likely take me completely out of the film. It made sense having Scarecrow pop back up in TDK, showing a guy who was genuinely menacing in the first film being reduced to doing low-brow drug dealings with lowly thugs due to Batman's influence on him and the city. Unless they're going to recast and completely include the Joker character(which Nolan has said he won't do), then they really shouldn't include him. It would be a disservice to the film.
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Anne and Jake are dear friends, but I had no involvement with that project
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Hard to track down cast and crew for this one, but remember, it can be used in the future!
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then he should definitely do it. I think when a new director takes over the franchise and yet again reboots the bat series there will have to be another effort to bring out a live Joker. As great as Heath Ledger was for the character it is not a signature that should be locked up in a vault. There are other great talents in the industry who could potentially rival what he managed to bring to the iconic character.
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I seriously doubt this is true though.
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I can't see Nolan using the footage for a cheap buck, it would be a fitting swan song.
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Not only are you an obvious dick, but you're wrong as well. Are you trying to say that if Ledger had not died he wouldn't have won the Oscar?
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Huge ties to Catwoman, if you read Long Halloween/Dark Victory. Would be cool if they did that story. But I'm dreaming.
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Call one of your special friends and find out.
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There have been several versions of him over the years. Ledger's is the best interpretation of the Joker since the 80s. Dark Knight is also the first movie to actually get the Batman/Joker relationship right. His performance was amazing, but it doesn't make Nicholson's version any less great.
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Absolutely not. This is supposed to be a three picture arc. At the end of which shouldn't Bruce Wayne be close to hanging up the cowl? Having the joker story begin and end with picture 2 is very good. Let's close out the universe with the next film and have a trilogy that ranks up there with star wars and lotr.
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That was ten years ago, and it was an entirely different situation -- the fourth lead of a $100 million movie died with several major scenes left to shoot, and the movie couldn't be edited around the missing footage. So Ridley Scott was forced to use awkward 2000-era CGI combined with stand-ins and voiceovers to finish the movie. This situation isn't comparable, as Heath Ledger left behind a complete performance for TDK, his character doesn't need to be present for TDKR, and there would be no reason to use a CGI/alt. footage performance other than as a distracting publicity stunt. It's one thing to use CGI zombie performances to finish a movie entering post-production when tragedy strikes unexpectedly, but it's quite another to use a CGI zombie performance in a sequel that hasn't started shooting yet to resurrect a star who died years earlier.
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He's the Forrest Gump of AICN. Somehow he's always part of everything.
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I'll just come out and say it, in response to someone who asked the question earlier: yes, I think Heath Ledger only won the Oscar because of his death. Did his performance deserve a nomination? Absolutely. And judging by the fact that the film was nominated in a few other categories as well, its fair to say he would've gotten a nomination even if he were still alive. But would he have won it? I truly don't think so. He was playing a comic book villain. No matter how defining the performance was, he was playing a comic book villain. And the Academy clearly shirked the film because of its source roots(yeah, it won an Academy Award for best sound editing, but so have films like "The Matrix"), as evident by the fact that they didn't give Pfister a statue for his cinematography. Great, great villain performance by Ledger, but I feel safe in saying he only won it because of his death.
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Nov. 30, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
It's like b-roll of Heath smoking a cigarette between takes
by Tall_Boy66
They just digitally put him behind bars in Arkham and then cut to a close up of Bale and just re-loop the "why so serious" dialogue or something. Whatever it is, it'll probably be pretty lame.
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This is officially Nolan's last Batman. Entertainment weekly have just posted an interview with Nolan in the last few hours in which he says "I must say that I'm very very glad to be embarking on the last chapter of our Batman saga". Thats pretty much as official as it gets.
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I rarely trust "source".
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I am thinking it will be like the Jabba scene and fanboys can no longer bitch about the SE since its going to be worse then that. They are going to shove a scene with Heath in there for a "Oh Shit!' moment and then proceed to shit all over his legacy.
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I trust his judgment. Plus, its his movie. He can so whatever he wants. But I won't believe it until Nolan says it himself. He's just too secretive.
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I would love for the final scene of TDKR to be Harley Quinn breaking the Joker out of AA. It'll never happen :(
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What do you mean the real Joker in the comic?<p> Do you mean in appearance or if the maniacal meter is cranked up to 11?<p> Because I would say neither has been consistent, since Miller through the dark shroud over Bruce Wayne that he still carries today with the DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.<P> Are you looking for a Silver Age interpretation, because it was already done in the Burton film.<p> I say let's move forward. Heath's Joker was perfect...uhmmm, but let's let the man stay dead shall we.<p> For some reason I will continually think "jar jar jar jar jar" if Heath is animated in any way.
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You must've known him well...
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ledger was also nominated for the oscar for his role in brokeback mountain. oh right, let me guess...he would have won if he had died. he's turned in other memorable performances as well in monsters ball and i'm not there. even daniel day-lewis gave ledger high marks for his abilities as a performer. bottom line: his performance as the joker was outstanding, and he rightfully deserved to win the oscar. to say he won because he died has no bearing in evidence, only in basement-dwelling cynicism.
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I remember that shot from back in the good old bat-forum days! It's insane how much of TDK we were able to figure out prior to it's release from all those spy pics. No unused footage? Explain this:(remove spaces) http://www.filmschoolrejects. com/images/ whysoserious-joker.jpg
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people are ruthless assholes.
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Add in ledger Footage and voila you have Joker in the third movie... but this topic isnt even official, so thankx for wasting my MOTHERFUCKIN time Harry
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To late..Marvel's already done it leave Ledger alone.
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Then I say go ahead as it might be kind of cool. Otherwise it's just bad taste and exploiting a deceased actor and I think his family has been through enough.
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He'll be greatly missed. Not much can be said about the man that hasn't already been said, but I recall one story during the "i love you scene" in the freezing chamber. <P>After a troublesome set up Kersh told Harrison to adlib the "I know" part, and after he yelled cut Kersh turned to me and said "If that works then it was my idea, If it plays bad then tell them we had no money to complete the line"<P>The man was a genious and a great soul
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I don't want to be labeled as a cynic or a "hater"... I was a Ledger fan. Even in some of his panned work, like "The Brothers Grimm," I thought he showed really good range and the ability to hit a lot of different marks. And again, I truly think he DESERVED his Oscar nod for the Joker. I just don't think the Academy would've ever given the statue to someone playing a comic book character had it not been for his untimely death.
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It's like touching history...
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the tone of the 60's batman tv show took it's tone from the 50's batman comics. the comics did not become campy after the show..quite the opposite.<p>i'm also a long time batman reader and i think the nolan/ledger take on the joker was not only great, in many ways it was an improvement..at least in regards to what would be compelling in the film medium. but i'm not one of those looking for the comics to be copied..i'm looking for the film to rise above the source material and give us something relevant in a 2 hour story.<p>why not approach the film asking the question "what if this were really happening?" and then answer that question in as close a manner as possible without losing the essence of the characters?<p>and mattmanreturns is right..there is not just 1 joker, or just 1 batman, but many interpretations over the years. is it only acceptable if the comics make changes and not the movies?<p>the "real" batman is a moving target..constantly shifting and changing to fit the times and the medium in which he is presented.
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You're fucking sharp, my man. Harry, this entire staff, and about 450 talkbackers failed to note that this report was dated to January. Well played, dude.
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As long as it's tasteful and fits the story, it would probably make a fantastic bookend to the trilogy; a cool tip-o-the-hat to the eternal struggle between Batman and the Joker. And I can think of nothing better to blow the roof off the joint than to see and hear Ledger's Joker (possibly in a final closing-type shot) one last time.
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I want more. :( Anyway I don't know. It depends on how much they have to futz with it. If they're going to touch it up with any kind of animation or anything then no. But if it's a decent clip that can work "as is" then fine.
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they should cast Shaquille O'Neal as KAZAAM! the rapping genie.
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The release date of the article is December 1st, 2010... not last January.
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You beat me to it.
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Nolan's take sucks by comparison.
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Counter-pwnage!
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What's so blasphemous about using prerecorded of LEDGER HIMSELF in a movie he would have appeared in anyway if he hadn't died before being able to do so? Obviously Nolan wouldn't do it if he didn't think it was worth it. What's wrong with giving the world one last piece of the performance that has basically defined Ledger's life (and death)?
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Even sharper! circle takes the square!
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Couldn't .... understand...... a thing.
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I've always thought there should be a joker and a two face cameo in the third one, just brief appearances in the rebuilt Arkham, located on the good old Arkham estate where it should be. And for those who keep saying there is no unused footage; there is always unused footage on movies. Just because the director said there were no actual deleted scenes does not means there is no unused footage. Alterative takes, trimmings from scenes kept in (such as the Joker in the car scene I posted a link to a picture from), or just rehearsal footage, there is always miles of unused footage on a movie this big and to say otherwise is just naive to the point of stupidity. Not wanting to be insulting but you do live in the real world with the rest of us, don't you? A "deleted scene" is "unused footage" but not all "unused footage" is comprised of "deleted scenes". Shit, you could make another ten movies just mixing up shit they didnt end up using.
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it seems if they were looking to use him in the third film they may have shot some overlapping story stuff that got left behind in editing...there's also facemapping tech but that's a bit too much...if they use him briefly, to kind of give the joker some sort of closure..i could dig it.
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So, if what they've got is decent, then throw it in there, absolutely. I'd hate to see the character dropped completely. Even mentioning his name would be fine (if what they have sucks). And I can deal with 'No Joker' if I HAVE to, but it would be really cool have him back for a couple minutes (or however long it may be).
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Dark Knight was an unbelievably overrated piece of shit. Talk about boring, pretentious and overblown. Any sequel done the same way is going to suck with or without a Joker in it.
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http://tinyurl.com/37n8fj8 Again this is the only scene according to the shooting script to be deleted. Scroll down in the article to see the pic
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Two-Face..are you kidding me? how could someone live with an open wound like that? it would get infected and they'd die. a scarred face like in the comics is what would've made more sense and fit w/Nolan's "realism vibe"
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they should cast Shaquille O'Neal as KAZAAM! the rapping genie.
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If they can't do Ledger's work, All they need is Hamill's voice and Laugh, its the next best thing to do for Batman.
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Add this news to the casting info about a female villain = Harley Quinn. Seeking vengeance for Bats killing Joker. Awesome!!!!!
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Without a doubt the audience would erupt in joy at the sight of Legder one last time, but it would merely be a stunt.<p> Anyone remember Game of Death?
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The Joker I recall a photo with Heath Ledger in the back seat with a Goon driving. So, yeah, I imagine Nolan shot some extra stuff. I mean they did bring Gordon back from the dead. In the scheme of things, how does that work? Regardless, having some tribute to the Joker is what we want. Obviously, there will be some interconnection between the plot of DK and DKR. It's the Joker for Christ's sake. He can't die. Kevin Smith even stabbed him in the heart once. Please Mr. Nolan use some smoke and mirrors and bring back the joker.
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Nov. 30, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST
awesome, using dead brando in Superman Returns was such a big hi
by jayjayinmi
They should not SHOW The Joker at all, only ALLUDE to him. He will appear again when the franchise is rebooted again in 6-8 years.
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Really? Nit picking and claiming it's "boring". You people are just very pathetic and please return to middle school. I'm glad I don't know you because seeing a movie with you must suck ass. Bitchy cunts. You guys probably go to movies alone though and then come on here and cry about good movies. Name your favorite movie and I can find something that wouldn't make sense or doesn't work in reality. Because you know movies aren't fucking real. You want reality? Go see documentaries... Oh that's right you probably find those "boring" too, so go fuck yourself. Like the dick weed who is bitching about Two-Face... "How could someone survive?" Oh I know... It's a comic book movie and crazy shit like that happens all the time. Fucking losers. When it comes to the Joker he's become the new Venom. Fans want him in every movie. Joker's story is done with. All they should do is mention his actions from the TDK, they don't need to add in scenes. Personally I like the rumors of the villains being Talia and Huge Strange. That is a ballsy choice. Nice to see Jett is back he's one of the best here on AICN. Not joking.
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joseph gordon levitt... hes got the acting chops and he would look damned close to ledger with the makeup on
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was pretty good. However, that boat scene was completely shit. They could've completely removed that!
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That's the pic your thinking of
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Nolan has more integrity. Anyone who says TDK was overblown shit is a mong who should stay away from cinema. And since no fucker posts actual news here, I'll do it: Whedon offered Nu-Buffy. Turned it down. Go figure. Although I also sense the faint whiff of bullshit here too. http://bit.ly/euM0JR <p> <p> That concludes tonight's newsflash.
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"call me Mr. J" Joker in a straight jacket in Arkam. I was operating the camera that day and Jett1993 was supposed to be 2nd unit director but Heath refused to work with him referring to him as being a "pretentious prick". Jett1993 hasn't found work since the incident unfortunately.
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Most of his execution will come from his Limey accent.
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I like the tie-in in the same way Scarecrow was in TDK.
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This is my first post here,After Heath died and there was talks about never using the joker again, I always thought that maybe Heath wasn't the REAL Joker, maybe he was just a decoy, a guy who worked for him like all the other clowns, maybe Joker could have really been like the joker from the comics tall and skinny creepy and maybe one dark and mean S.O.B.
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if Ledger's fam is ok with it anyway.
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...to make Van Nuys Blvd 2.
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... given what he was made to work with. I didn't like the scars and the make-up. He made the best of a bad script (Bale's Batman Voice was simply retarded).
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but ultimately distracting. I'd bet money if Ledger was alive he's reprise the role in some kind of Hannibal Lecter in Red Dragon-esque capacity. Alas, not to be. But yeah, this would be good and bad. Probably better to leave it out.
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"That prick is gonna steal my thunder again even in death ?" Un-be-li-va-ble 5#@=*!
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I love the boat scene; the Joker had me so jaded by the end of the movie that I was convinced both boats would blow each other up. I was actually shocked when Batman turned out to be right. It's essential to the movie.
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and doesn't wreak of pure "fan service", then I'd love to have some footage of the Joker put in, especially if it's in Arkham. Arkham was one of the things I missed in TDK, that was great in BB.
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They can talk about the Joker being locked up in Arkham Asylum without showing him. I say this rumor is BS.
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Get Heath Ledger doppelganger Joseph Gordon Levitt or Charlie Hunnam and let's go already!<p> Oh, and Alexis Dziena for Harley Quinn!
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The scene in which the Joker is sitting in the cell at MCU and Gordon walks in with the Mayor? There must be a few unused angles and takes from this scene of Ledger sitting there on a bench. If Nolan wants he could easily use CGI to cut Ledger out of this footage and have him sitting in a cell in Arkham. Do I think he will do that? No. What I'd like to see is TDKR end with a scene that echoes the last scene in BB. Gordon is meeting with Batman on a rooftop and gets word that the Joker has killed several guards and escaped from Arkham. Gordon turns and Batman is gone. Then we see Batman leap off the roof and gliding out over Gotham to chase down the Joker once again. CUT TO BLACK.
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Hey, it's been awhile. Missed you, buddy? How's Joss and the Avengers movie coming along?
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I "think" he shouldn't have f***d up and left his child fatherless when he had all the support in the world he needed to get better. That's what I "think." It was a nice day in New York today. A little gray, a little rainy, a little cool, but on the whole a day worth living. But he wanted to get high instead of be here, so--sobeit. Good riddance and better him than me. I've had more than enough of Mr. Ledger.
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is almost over. Depending on how audiences accept CGI Jeff Bridges in Tron: Legacy look for the resurrection of dead actors, actors way past their prime getting digital face lifts on a regular basis and new celebrities that are completely virtual. The CGI zombies are climbing out of the uncanny valley and are almost upon us. <P> Alien 12 starring John Wayne, Lee Marvin and Steve McQueen.
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because the rest of the fliq people will be waiting to see Heath again. It would take away from the rest of the experience imo.
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evil plot like spector. Fine to limp by with this one but he'll eventually need recasting. Oh and don't ever die mrsheldrake. We cant get enough of you
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to sell more tickets. "See Ledger in his last movie appearance ever...." His last role was in Doctor Parnassus, period.
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DD's clue is aight though. It won't be long before we have a digital president
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Just let Joseph Gordon Levitt do it. I'd rather watch him playing a brief tribute to Ledger, than watch the stock footage ghost of Ledger.
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Nov. 30, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST
just like a 2nd take in the interagation room
by nobodycallsmcflyachicken
of him saying 'no' to a question or something would be fine.
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...I remember as soon as the credits started rolling people started getting up to leave, but not many. I got excited; I figured there was some afer-credits or mid-credits scene and I was fantasizing that it showed Heath without his make-up in his cell, and two doctors walk by, one of which is an attraqtive blonde. Heath smiled at her as only his version of the Joker can, and she tried to remain stoic but smiled ever so slightly, like Connor Angel did at the end of the Amge; episode where Vincent Kartheiser came back on Angel and Connor slightly implied he knew that Angel was his father and that he had gained his memories back. Anyway the stars' names started appearing one by one, and when Heath Ledger's name came up, most if not all the remaining people clapped for him. I never saw anything like that ever, and doubt I will again. I thinq I shared this before minus the Connor Angel thing, but everytime Heath's Joker is mentioned I just think back to July 18, 2008 in that little cheapy theatre where a lot of strangers had a great communal experience together.
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where they expand on a flashbaq by showing one of the new charaqters got motivated by Joker....you know, like when Joker is killing doug the fake batman and they show Harley Quinn in the baqground smiling and being captivated by the Joker....though admittedly it sounds kinda cool it imo would ultimately be too saw-like for this franchise.
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Will they digitally remove his clownface then?
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He deserved it for Brokeback Mountain and was robbed, which is why they gave it to him later after he passed away.
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I wouldn't worry too much about digital thespians. A brilliant actor or a movie star with charisma to burn is bringing something to the screen that no amount digital effects or digital animators can match. <p> For example, Heath Ledger's interpretation of The Joker was brilliant and totally unique to him, would a team of computer animators at ILM be able to create that performance? Absolutely not.
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Dec. 1, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST
IMO not that many deceased stars will be digitally "resurrected"
by Meadowe
Sure James Dean and Marilyn Monroe were idolized in their day and are considered legends, but if they had never existed during their era and first came about in the 21st century, it is debatable that whether they or their ilk would be considered as having that special charisma, that "it factor" that they had decades ago. After all, it is a different world with different standards. Take a look at River Phoenix; he was a talented, very beautiful young man that died unexpectedly, just like James Dean had. But when people think of talented people from the 90s who passed away unexpectedly, stars like Kurt Cobain, pac and big are more thought of, then people like River and Brandon Lee. Sure they may be digitally inserted or old footage dug up and cleaned up for a future fliq, but I highly doubt anyone in their teens to late twenties would really find it a deal sealer if steve mcqueen or John Wayne or Ava Gardner were re-appearing in a new fliq....that's just my two cents.
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Fuck CGI.
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I wouldn't put a huge amount of credence in this story or the "anonymous source".
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I respect your point of view, but I just didn't see what you're referring to. I was never in doubt that the joker would not blow both boats up. I thought the premise of him giving the option of one boat destroying another was exactly that.<p>I can tell you now, those prisoners would not have hesitated one second to blow up the other boat, HOWEVER, more importantly, we focus on a mother and child on the civilian boat. Now call me dumb, but I can assure you 1000% that that mother would've taken that trigger and pushed the button, no questions asked and with no hesitation. Why? She would've done it for her baby, as would ANY parent! That's why I hated that scene, it was too far fetched!
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Dec. 1, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST
Just The Latest Attempt To Exploit His Death For Profit
by Media Messiah
Warner is so greedy and pathetic!!!! Bunch of sociopath weirdos!!!
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It was a sympathy vote, because of his passing, that got him the Oscar. Could he have delivered a Joker worthy of an Oscar? Maybe, but the Nolan brothers gave him a lacking script, with equally lacking dialogue, plot, and character motivations. In all, that just wasn't enough, collectively, to support a best actor role, or performance, therein.
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Seriously, Heath Ledger's Joker is the best performance I've ever seen on screen (from any given actor).<p>If the footage matches the brilliance in TDK, then bring it!
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but I did see it in IMAX and when the joker steps up with the rocket launcher.. Well that was empire strikes back level joker vs batman cinematic framing holy fuckness right there. Yeah. He deserved the Oscar. You guys are fucking smoking crack. I have all kinds of issues with the movie but not only did I not see a performance that year that I would pick over his- but he delivered an iconic, screen classic villain. You would have to be sucking that glass dick not to see that
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Don't use it. Let the Dark Knight performance be. Anything else would just be crass. If Nolan wants to re-use the Joker character so bad, he should just recast. Not to sully Heath in any shape or form, but there are other actors out there, and the Joker character has room for a new interpretation, just like Nicholson before Ledger, and just like Romero before Nicholson. <p>The show must go on, but let's not be dicks about it.
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I'll always wonder what the Nolan brother's and David Goyer planned for the third Batman movie. We know Harvey Dent died and that the Joker went to Arkham Asylum. But what would have really happened next?
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Ledger deserved it for both roles. The emotional repression of Ennis del Mar (BROKEBACK) is strangely mirrored in the chaotic glee of the Joker. And while I enjoyed the performances of the other actors in 2005, it's Heath's role that has stayed with me.
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bless his wee soul
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crushing an ambulance to a pancake like robocop and not shattering his legs. Maybe that's cool. Nit picky one I guess. The ears never work for me and I don't care if it's kinda like Dracula's wolf armor I want to see the fucking things streamlined so he could walk through a doorway. His eyes should have been white since the first movie or just eat some shit. Just eat it and chew it up and swallow it. See? Like that taste? I know you do. You've been eating that shit since 89 when Mr. mom was cast as batman. But I digress. Fucking batman. He should have been The Demon. Somewhere in an alternate dimension they got The Demon. Fucking rich guy who dabbles in black magic and can raise demons to help him put down the bad guys. Makes sense. Works completely. No stupid bat element that's explained so sadly in begins that micheal Keaton looks like he wants to slap him for being an idiot when he says why he chose the bat
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...a reflection of polar opposites. He showed incredible range between those two roles.
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... a Kiwi! They do have a very good rugby team but you can't trust them. Don't choke next year guys! LOL, Go BOKKE!
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fight him with a sword and hit his anti-sword gauntlets to explain why the fuck we had to know why he has those in begins. And let him get cornered in a bright lit room like an alien out of his element. Then a 20 minute long Ong Bak Batman scene where the bad guys learn it's best to just leave that mutherfucker in the shadows
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Problem solved and canon retained
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and I thought my jokes were bad
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His performance wasn't THAT good. Jack Nicholson was way better as Joker.His tongue-clicking and lip-smacking were annoying. He did an OK job, but was nothing special. Put some other guy in the makeup and most people probably wouldn't know the difference.
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At the end of "The Dark Knight", The Joker is still alive and well. Further, Lucius Fox has come to odds with Batman's dishonesty and presumed lost way. I've always thought that in the third film, you see traces of The Joker (playing cards, whispering, destruction, etc..) but you never see him. Also, Lucius Fox should be the villain in "The Dark Knight Rises". Lucius tests Batman's willpower and morality, but loses sight of his own in the process.
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But Scarecrow could be used again, as he's a character with great potential. But he was captured in the Dark Knight, so I'd think he'd be in slammer as well.
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Always made me chuckle. And then want to kill babies.
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in 3d.
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http://tinyurl.com/35ytgch<br> <br>“The idea is to use these fragments of cut scenes and use CGI to have The Joker appear one last time,” reveals a movie insider.<br> <br>“Chris wants some continuity between movies and for the franchise to pay tribute to Heath and his portrayal of the Joker.<br> <br>“It would only be a fleeting moment in the movie and would only be included with the full consent of Heath’s family.”
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Sort of groaned at the boat scene. SWAT vs. Jokers goons vs Batman vs hostages vs. SWAT vs Dogs was great but everyone's heard of the "who will push the button" morality quandary and it just didn't do it for me as the big climax. However, having Batman a hunted man at the end was a perfect ending, because as Gordon said, it makes him more than a hero. He doesn't need accolades, he's willing to do what it takes even if it means making himself a pariah. That is why he's The Dark Knight. Perfect Endings 101.
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I think Scarecrow was in that white van that Batman jumped down the carpark ramp onto. Thus capturing Scarecrow.
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About the movie not being true to the character. Nothing wrong with his appearance or speech(although it was a diversion), the problem was that he was just a choatic madmen that bats had top stop because the police were apparently inept.<p>Joker and bats always have had a very intense personal relationship, and that did not exist in the film at all. That is just one of the many things wrong with Nolan's bat movies. Not quite as bad as mking bats a killer....but close.
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After Nolans finished with Batman and his trilogy i'd love to see a dark knight returns movie with Michael Keaton return to the role being around the right age, Keatons performance whilst not being perfect was perfect for the time, showing the general public that bruce wayne wasn't a fun socialite with his ward, who slid down batpoles!! He showed us Bruce Wayne had demons. The scene in viki vales apartment with the joker really showed me what Keaton could do with the role. I'd love to see that interpretation bookended with The dark knight returns movie!
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Who needs to revisit Heath Ledger possibly clumsily inserted into another Nolan-Batman movie when we have The Joker Blogs? Honestly, watching the series from beginning to end had a much more profound emotional impact that The Dark Knight. It makes you wonder if Hollywood doesn't sometimes shoot itself in the foot with the big budget and the need for action. Just think of a ten million dollar villain centric film shot in an experimental fashion with minimal locations. I think it would give the audience a much better portrayal of a characters' motivation by just having them talk instead of spend the entire movie hatching elaborate plans a la Jigsaw.
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Regarding Two-Face, I'm pretty sure his plot only last a day or two. Enough time before any kind of serious infection would set in. Couple that with adrenaline. Perhaps that's why Nolan ultimately decided to kill him off because realistically he wouldn't last much longer without medical care. Just a hunch.
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To me it felt abrupt like there should be more footage of him being apprehended by the police or taken to Arkham. Maybe not. I do know of two scenes with The Joker that were not used. 1. Him in the backseat of the car with his goons after the party and 2. Him in the back of the bus after the hospital explosion. So it's possible there is more unused footage. If it's used right, I have no problem with seeing it in TDKR.
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Is the New Zealand equivalent of The Daily Mail. Take with a grain of salt folks
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The Dark Knight is about the first encounter of Bats and Joker, they don't have a relationship yet, but it's apparent, that Joker took a shining towards Bats immediately, which will eventually evolve into more deep, yet twisted "relationship" due of Batmans need to believe Joker can be cured.
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...i don't give a damn about the morality. <p> i just want to see it. In the next movie please.
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and I have more faith in that site than this one recently...<br><br>http://tinyurl.com/24aqw9w
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If it's just Joker being led away by the cops while the media surrounds them, don't bother.<P>This is a touchy subject as it is. No need to make it worse with what amounts to a pointless cameo.
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Let's face it. From the studio's viewpoint, Ledger's death was the best thing that could happen to the franchise. It added to the darkness of the series and made Dark Knight the hit it was. They'll continue to milk it in the new one, and who can blame them?
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Seriously, this new 'meme' of using Q for CK, like haq, or fliq, is INTENSELY gay. Stop it please.
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They should just move on and use other characters instead. Ledger as the Joker was great and should be left alone. Can't wait to see who they come up with next.
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That's the one online source who would know for sure. AICN is about as trustworthy on this stuff as the UK tabloids.
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have batman say "you look different"...joker says "death changes a man"
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single best interpretation of the character aver.. simply brilliant.
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Not to say that this rumor is true, but the host of that particular site hasn't had a decent scoop since the BATMAN BEGINS days. And yet people still act like he knows what he's talking about. He doesn't.
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who are you? I work for several FX houses, I know a TON of people at the ranch and ILM. what's with the handle? unless you are really Jett Lucas, in which case we've met (at the '09 ranch picnic thing...but i guess you met a lot of people there.).
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Dec. 1, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST
Ledger family may request a disclaimer (?) in opening credits.
by JDanielP
If the continuity serves the story and the family is okay with it, rock on!
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young versions: Ryan Gosling Joe Gordon Levitt Michael Pitt Ben Foster older versions: Michael Imperlioli Crispin Glover Adrien Brody
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Dec. 1, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST
Disclaimer of performance (considering body doubles, cgi, etc.)
by JDanielP
If the footage necessitates the use of other actors/body doubles to finalize the performance (in context of the film), then the Ledger family may request an opening statement as to that fact.
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A new actor wouldn't need to mimic Heath's performace, thus leaving that in the time capsule, where it belongs. If Joker has been locked up in the asylum, he'd probably have a few subtle personality changes. I actually think it's sad they're not bringing the character back. If the plan was to have him in the third one, that's what they should do, stick to the plan. In the end, if these Nolan Batman movies have a flaw it might be the three movie's inability to connect to one another. Scarecrow might provide a nice connection, and I hope he's in the third one. But I'm not alone in being taken aback by the difference in appearance of Gotham from the first film to the second. While watching TDK, I never once thought of it as the city from the first film. My reaction the entire time was: "Oh yeah. Chicago."
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That much is true, because they are in bed with Warner's now. What Jett DOES do now, is rumor control and he's NEVER been wrong.</p><p>Since this article is not about whether or not BOF gets scoops, but whether or not it is true that Ledger will be back in TDKR, then the fact that BOF knows the inside scoop on TDKR is absolutely relevant.
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From comicbookmovie.com “It’s just not real”, says a contact at Warner Bros in relation to a news item suggesting that, thanks to CGI and some unused footage from the previous flick, Ledger will reprise his ‘Joker’ role for “Dark Knight Rises” Firstly, yes, the original plan was to have The Joker play a small part in the third “Batman” movie. He would’ve been in a prison, and much like Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecter, would’ve played an unlikely aide to his arch-nemesis Batman, who’d be on a mission to to stop… Two Face.
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even if they just reference that he's in Arkham and show'em for 10 seconds. I think it would only make sense. He doesn't die in the film after all!!!
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...and I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!! :-D
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I guess a handful of sites are already saying this is for sure NOT happening. Too bad. I think it would've been fine if it was just unseen footage. Brando in Supes Returns was a different animal...but it still worked for some continuity.
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"Leslie Neilsen to play the Joker in The Dark Knight Rises. Directed by Irving Kershner"
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Get in there and convince him he's not responsible for Ledger's death and just let him go
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what did i tell you? that they are going to use Ledger in B3 in any way they can,so that they can attract the moviegoers for the sequel.typical,greedy Hollywood.they are going to milk Ledger's death until there is nothing more to gain from it. <P>If Nolan has class and dignity he must refuse even the thought of having Ledger as a footage or even as a voiceover in his new film,regerdless of how persistent the studio is going to be. <P>Lets see what it is going to happen.
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...then there won't be. It's that simple, I believe the man and frankly no one is gonna tell him how to do his Batman movie at this stage. However there's a clever theory over on joblo that they could end the trilogy with a scene where the Joker's being interviewed by police/harley/batman and they do an old switcha-roo ala 'The Killing Joke' and end with Batman (if he survives the movie that is) taking off after him again and we maybe see a rising shot of Gotham and hear the Joker's laugh bellow through the streets of the city. That would be very cool but Nolan might want to close his trilogy definitively indtead of leaving a tenderhook ending (like he did in Inception to a degree).
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the original one? before he died..
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Dec. 1, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST
just as long as it doesn't look like Tony Soprano's mother
by Coughlins Laws
when they tried to add her in that one scene at the beginning of Season 3 instead of just casting another actor. David Chase changed the entire plot of the show after that, taking her out of it so as not to "disrespect" her memory or some bullshit. It ruined the whole plot line they had mapped out for that season and the next, not to mention it looked awful...
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Yes, it would be very simple for Nolan's team to digitally "remove" the Joker's make-up from the MCU holding cell footage and replace it with flesh tones. The could give him new clothes like an inmate uniform too. Anything the did with CGI to his clothing or coloring would be simple and undetectable at this point. Its when CGI has to be applied to a human face that things get trickier and more obvious, but that wouldn't be necessary in this case. BUT like I said in my original post, this is NOT going to happen anyway. I was just saying that it would technically be easy to have the Joker sitting in a cell at Arkham for a cameo.
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a dead actor. If an actor quits or they just don't think they're good, they have no problem recasting them. See Terrence Howard/Don Cheadle switch-out or even look at the Katie Holmes/Maggie Gylenhaal in Nolan's own franchise...
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He enhances every talkback. Welcome Back!!!!!!!!
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Just my $1.50 on the subject; I think that Nolan initially intended to bring Joker back for his third Batman movie for a bigger showdown; TDK starting off the two characters' rivalry - Nolan Style - and the third one would be either a continuation or a more satisfying conclusion of that rivalry. Alas, fate had other ideas, and so it is what it is at this point.
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Deal
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Oscar worthy? What a pile of crap. I've seen better performances in a porn film.
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I can't see Nolan using footage of Ledger as a cheap gimmick to get fans in seats. Enough people will see it without that. And how crucial could it really be to the story? Let heath rest in peace and have Dark Knight and Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus stand as his final film appearances.
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Since the release of TDK, there have been rumors of some extra footage of Heath that would fit into a third Batman. On the other hand, in that same time period through the present Christopher Nolan has denied it (as far as there being usable footage for this next installment of the film). I think Christopher Nolan has always been a filmaker who keeps his cards close to his vest. So I don't know. If there is footage and it furthers the story along, I say use it.
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Dec. 1, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST
The rumour is that most of the last 30 minutes of TDK was added
by Redhead_Redemption
The orginal film was supposed to end with joker leaving two face in the hospital and it blowing up (this was the end of two faces screen time, we are left to wonder if he lived or died) then the film continues as normal but without the two face kidnaping Gordon's family plot<P>After Joker gives his "unstopable force" speach cops come in and batman jumps from the rooftop, him and gordon have a discussion about harvey and the lost hope of gotham, with gordon saying that batman has to catch Harvey before He corrupts gotham, The sway tyeam arrives and batman runs with Gordon giving almost the same speach he gave int he final film but this time to the female detective and not his son<P>Batman 3 was to start with Gordon's family being kidnaped and harvey's death. However after Helth died nolan and co went back and decided that Joker was never going to get the proper closure he deserved in the third film which left the dark knight as an opend ending film, SO they shot all the Harvey kidnap stuff and included it into the film to provide some tupe of plot closure to the film<P>This explains why the film has a big showoff with the boats and then a second show off with harvey, the last 15 mins or so was added after heath died so that they could close the plot and start fresh with batman 3<P>On another note, Batman 3 was never supposed to take as long as it is, Nolan wanted to complete it for 2011, but after Heath died, he decided he would do another project so he could step away from batman for a few years
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I agree. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care who plays what or who brings back whoever, as long as Nolan recasts some other city as Gotham and brings back the friggin' Batcave! Oh yeah, and please DON'T bring back Mr. "Things are worse than evar." Thanks.
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Which may be possible post-Nolan 3rd Batflick cuz A) we got a fuckin Watchmen movie fer crissakes. B) WB will want to put some distance between the Nolan series and a new Bat-series so instead of continuing the same continuity ala the Schumacher series or doing yet another reboot, I think it'd be likely they'd do a DKR adaptation along with that whatever-it-is TV series. And they can keep up their quota of cranking out Bat-movies every 3 to 4 years or so. So I think it's possible to happen. As for the cast? <P>Batman - Michael Keaton <P>Joker - Mark Hamill <P>Robin - Emma Stone <P>Directed by Danny Boyle. Go forth, Hollywood, and make that movie.
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he's being interviewed by hugo strange who develops an obsession with batman. thats what nolan's going for i think, if this rumour is true.
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There's no way WB will let him walk away, and odds are theres no way he'd turn down the paycheque and likely multiple movie deal WB throws at him (hey chris, do another batman and we'll greenlight any 3 other movies you want to do) I'm guessing that like after TDK chris won't comment on batman 4 until one day he mentions that he quite enjoyed filming Batman 3 and he has some interesting ideas for another batman tale. then the his attachment is announced and they play it like it wasn't planed all along <P>I really don't think nolan is a director that thinks in the classic three act structure, meaning he isn't going into batman 3 with it being the final act in a single story, his films are more then that and theres no reason that he would confine himself to the trilogy formula that every director since George Lucas seems to think they have to be confined too for a franchise.<P>If you listen to Bale when asked if Batman 3 is his last, he never says it is, just that he'll leave when the series Nolan does, even Bale knows not to put his foot in his mouth when discussing Batman 3 as the last for the duo
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why would you want it so soon? For now I would much prefer they follow the timeline of the current franchise, including for when Nolan and Bale leave after 'Rises'. There's just so many bat-stories to tell before 'Returns'.
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It would bomb like Watchmen did.
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"die " as in "the end-?" kinda die.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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If you've read the script you'll see that what Nolan shot is pretty much what he wrote minus a line of dialogue or two. If Ledger is in it I imagine it'll just be his laugh in a dream sequence or in a cell in Arkham.
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Don't listen to the fanboys Nolan who want Bane, Hush, Black Mask or Talia. Choose the characters who are historically the 2nd and 3rd most important Batman villains ever and do what you did with the Joker: go back to their Golden Age roots and ignore all this crappy modern shit that's been added to them (and undo the damage DeVito/Burton did to a classic villain).
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and that the sequel will be based on the Batman:Prey arc.which makes sense for the movie from a story continuity perspective.what do you think of that?
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Hey dude!<p> Thought you'd be amused to know a couple of nights ago MJs_Cold_Dead_Corpse finally got the ban hammering he so richly deserved.<p> It made me laugh. If Matrix was here he'd laugh too.
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Dec. 1, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES....GIVING WAY TO THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS
by Meadowe
I know nolan said that this is his last bat fliq but the title *kinda* suggests that he's slowly building up to do an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns...In my Empire magazine of the top 10 icons of the decade (cover I have is Heath as the Joker, of course) is an essay by Jonathan Nolan stating that for one birthday he was given by Christopher Nolan a copy of The Dark Knight Returns, and the profound effect it had on him. So even if it never comes to fruition, it's a safe bet that the nolans have at least thought about adapting tdkreturns now that they're at the helm of the franchise. And while Talia al Ghul would be cool to see in tdkr,personally I still thinq they should have Lady Shiva because she would physiqally give bruce a challenge, and her daughter is Cassandra Cain, one of my favorite charaqters in the dc universe.
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I could be wrong but it just seems like a false rumor. The story was broke with the flimsiest of sources and no real big sites or news groups are confirming it. <p> Besides, "Prey" is not that big/important of story to demand an adaptation. And Hugo Strange is a rather unknown, unimportant (both historically and in significance) villain whose only claim to fame is that he was Batman's first recurring foe (if you ignore Dr. Death). He's no "important" that he appeared three times before being forgotten for 30 years, and has since been only used occasionally. <p> And on top of it he's a pretty blah villain when compared to Joker, Two-Face & Scarecrow (in fact the entire shrink angle was done already by Scarecrow). <p> Finally, why cast a young, charming actor like Hardy to play a balding, ugly, middle-aged scientist? Yeah, I know in Monsters & Madmen Hugo Strange is shown as ripped, but him being an ugly, old, bald hunchback are more important qualities, things that don't spring to mind when I think of Hardy. <p> I could be wrong but I doubt it.
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Meadowe, I don't know if Nolan HAS said it's his last one. Someone post a link if they know different.<p> It would be cool to see The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel on film. Bale was acting when he was six, maybe he'll still be acting when he's sixty... look forward to the concluding movie in about 30 years!
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He'll return. He's got nothing better to do. The only way to deal with guys like that is ignore him because this is probably the only place where people will acknowledge him. <p> He's a sad, pathetic creature. I feel sorry for his Real Girl doll.
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http://splashpage.m t v.com/2010/12/01/christopher-nolan-dark-knight-rises-batman-3/ but like people have mentioned, if wb sweetens the pot by promising to back his other fliqs I'm sure he'd return....after all bruce has arguably the greatest rogues gallery in all of literature, heq even the ventriloquist and scarface would be coo' to see even if it were done only at the begining a la James Bond.
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Not true. The only deleted scene with the Joker was him sat in the back of a car after the fundraiser attack saying, "I'm a man of my word." <p> Nolan's been very cautious regarding Ledger's memory; he's essentially absent in extras for the DVD/Blu-ray. So why would he use CGI to put him in a sequel? <p> Joker's done in the Nolan films, and rightly so. Ledger nailed it, and any other actor will come of as a pale imitation. Let The Joker rest until the series is started up again in twenty years time (who am I kidding? There will be a reboot in 2014).
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Exactly. Recast Joker with Joseph Gordon-Levitt - he's practically a Ledger clone and has the chops (see Inception). Joker is the ultimate Batman nemesis and he needs a better ending that what was offered in TDK.
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When did this happen?
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Nolan's Joker is a horribly scarred brilliant lunatic who often travels either in full face makeup or in disguise. Ledger already established the Joker's vacillating moods (sometimes sad/quiet, then quiet/scary, loud/scary, charming/silly) so any personality shift is inherent within the character himself. If the proposed scenes take place in Arkham, it'll certainly be a very heavily medicated/sedated/shackled Joker - which would be different from the free, unfettered Joker in TDK.
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The edit from Batman and Rachel on the hood of the car suddenly cutting to the next day at MCU with Gordon and then Harvey bursting in (off screen) is probably the most bizarre and awkward edit in Nolan's entire canon. That does make me wonder WHY he would cut out the brief scene of the Joker riding away from Bruce's penthouse, talking to his goon saying "I'm a man of my word." It even leads into the two cops (HARVEY and DENT) being murdered in order to fulfill the Joker's promise...Could it be that Nolan cut out this scene just in case he EVER changed his mind about having a Joker cameo in the next film? If the Joker were to escape from Arkham (and steal a police car in doing so) this scene could be added to (wide shots of the car speeding away, etc). Of course you'd have to use CGI to remove the Joker make-up and change his clothing, but Ledger's performance and dialogue wouldn't have to change, so in theory it could look legit. BUT Nolan won't do it out of respect anyway, so it's a mute point.
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...he's digitally inserted into a scene really badly, such that he's consistently the wrong size, and has a two frame speaking animation with his mouth open and closed.
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"the last chapter of our Batman saga" Nolan. I guess this will be the end then, thanks Meadowe.
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where did you hear that he told his goon he was a man of his word? I've heard about that partiqular scene but never any dialogue to go with it....could you provide a link or something?
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of Joker leaving the penhouse is that (if Rodie is correqt) Joker repeating the phrase "I'm a man of my word" would be a little redundant. It *kinda* gets repeated by the chechen during the money burning scene, so Joker saying it after the threatening video with the fake batman and then after the penthouse and then during the everything burns scene would be too much. Which *MAY EXPLAIN* the afforementioned edit that a lot of people found too jarring; that of going from the hood of the car with bruce and rachel immediately to gordon and his subordinate at the jail. I remember telling my friend my wish that we saw Harley Quinn without make-up passing by Joker at arkham, and she stated it would be coo' if he smiled and her and said "helloooo beautiful!" like he did to rachel; I told her I thought it would be too redundant since he already said the same thing earlier to rachel, and the Joker in this fliq seemed to not repeat too many things, if at all.
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Dec. 1, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST
HARDY BEING HUGO STRANGE IS LIKE STEPHEN DORFF AS DEACON FROST
by Meadowe
That's the way I see it....but of course not too many people knew of Deacon Frost, I knew I didn't until the first blade. That is of course assuming they are going that route...hopefully they'll announce soon who's playing who...and hopefully it'll be something good, because imo The Dark Knight Detective, Legend(s) of the Dark Knight would have been a better title...but like I said earlier Jonathan Nolan really loved The Dark Knight Returns so I wouldn't count out the nolans calling it a wrap for this *trilogy* but leaving it open to do a tdkreturns adaptation in about two decades give or take when Christian bale is older.....or maybe even one decade, since he seems very willing to change his physiqal appearance to suit his roles.
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A performance overhyped here and then. Still a great movie, but Oscar worthy? Ba-humbug!
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watch Hassel Unleashed http://www.thesmalls.com/members/rcf23/films/hassel-unleashed.go
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Dec. 1, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST
Why not just have Heath Ledger be Joker for another whole movie?
by W3bzpinn3r
C'mon... they lamely did that with Peter Sellers in a Pink Panther sequel. Lets have 2.5hrs of choppily spliced performances! Add in some footage of unused Naked Gun film for Leslie Neilson.
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snortle. alas, one day I will die. just not of a self-inflicted drug overdose based on a self-centered life. since i'm not a movie star, and millions would fail to report to mourn, what would be the point?
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But I think a lot of people are stretching to come up with a Ledger/Joker cameo in the next one. <p> It reminds me of how the fans seem to read into everything as evidence of what they want: Mr. Reese as the Riddler, Harvey Dent still alive, etc. Face it people, the Joker's story is done in Nolan's universe. I really don't think he could add anything new to his interpretation even if Ledger was alive.
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http://tinyurl.com/326agmo
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would make me happy
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When Nolan announced the name of the film, right around the same time he said "No Joker in the third film". Scoops don't get much more solid than that.
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Dec. 1, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST
is this going to be called "Turn Off The Dark Knight"?
by Snake Foreskin
Julie Taymor should be directing this. Music by Bono the Edge, and Paul Williams.
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I thought Gotham looked a lot like Chicago in 'The Dark Knight' too, but so did Gotham in 'Batman Begins' because it was also shot in Chicago. I live there. They both look like Chicago because they were both Chicago.
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that plan dates back to the rumored storyline that would've had joker captured in the 2nd film and on trial during the 3rd, where he would "create" two-face as in the original origin story. i was hyped for that, but obviously they condensed the whole storyline into the dark knight...
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... that i really dislike the title. I just hope it's a preliminary working title.
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I believe the man in charge over any rumors or supposed scoop. If he changes is mind, then cool. I'm down as long as it works. But he's already said absolutely not. There's an exact quote floating around on the internet somewhere.
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Interesting post you did above. and you might be into something. Me, i would love to see a long Batman series of movies in the capable hands of Nolan and Bale.
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The Hollywood Reporter has reported this rumour to be complete baws, after asking Nolan and his producer. Carry on.
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I'm really pumped about this film, but the title? Such a disappointment. I really hope it's not the final word on the matter. But, in the end, if the movie rocks- which I'm sure it will- it won't matter all that much. Still, a bit of a let down considering how creative Nolan is... and how completely unoriginal and overused "Rise" titles are.
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Dash it all, ya beat me to it.
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stop making crappy Batman movies altogether! <p> Just wipe the slate clean, give it a fresh start, and make it good like the comics and cartoons. <p> Hire some people who actually care or something.
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kills two birds with one stone. Like Catwoman but without the baggage.
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Nolan just came out saying there will be no Heath Ledger in Dark Knight Rises. Stop listening to glory hungry fanboys that claim to be involved and just wait to hear from Nolan.
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could the villain be Harley Quinn? My curiosity is peaked again.
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Does anyone else here remember how after we learned of Ledgers death EA suddenly put the kibosh on finishing the video game they were making for the Dark Knight movie at the request of WB? I know I read something to that effect somewhere. It was also mentioned that Ledger had already recorded his parts for the game. If such a performance does exist it too could possibly be used in the movie as well somehow.
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to capture the emo/goth crowd that worships the boredom that is the new Batman movies.
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Dec. 1, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST
Rumor: THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Will Be Based on the Graphic Novel
by mayhemjim72
ALL QUOTES FROM ANOTHER SOURCE - The latest speculation has the movie based on Prey, a story arc in the Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight graphic novel series. -•Director Christopher Nolan has made it clear through his previous two installments in the Batman franchise that he prefers gritty, realistic and psychologically driven storylines and villains to over-the-top schlock (see Batman Forever and Batman and Robin). -Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have both taken influences from existing source material (the previously mentioned Batman: Year One, as well as The Killing Joke, and The Long Halloween) so it’s not a stretch to think they’ll do it again -•The Dark Knight ends (spoiler, but honestly who hasn’t seen this yet?) with Batman running from the law and the citizens of Gotham believing that he killed Harvey Dent. Commissioner Gordon tells his son that they now have to chase Batman. -So for right now, we’ll call this “educated speculation” since it’s far from being a solid fact. Yes, the storyline meshes well with the end of The Dark Knight. Yes, the villain matches Nolan’s tastes. But I have a couple of issues with this line of thought. The previous installments of this series have been loosely based on graphic novels, but have put forward an original story. While this doesn’t preclude Prey from being source material, I caution that it might only serve to introduce Dr. Hugo Strange as the villain. And how exactly would it jibe with the title, The Dark Knight Rises? -With that being said, Nolan has mentioned that this will be his last involvement with the franchise and plans on closing out the trilogy. I don’t see Prey providing that final act without tying off storylines that were started in Batman Begins. I, for one, fully expect Talia al Ghul to make not only an appearance, but feature prominently in the plot. Her involvement would refer back to the first movie and could tie up the trilogy quite nicely. But with Nolan wanting to close out the series with the seeming inclusion of villains smarter than Bruce Wayne, there is the possibility that his secret identity may not stay so secret. Could Nolan do the unthinkable? Will the Batman be publicly unmasked in The Dark Knight Rises? Sacrilege, I know. But what a profound way it would be for Nolan to stamp his claim on the final act of this trilogy.
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Has been greatly exaggerated by fanboys. Joker's ambiguous origin story, Harvey Dent as a vigilante wanting revenge and the idea of a new breed of criminals eclipsing the mobsters are the extent of their influence. <p> Yet Batman #1, the 1st appearance of the Joker, is ignored as one of the major influences on TDK. Hell, almost every beat and Joker plot point has a counterpart in the two Joker stories in Batman #1. It's actually a surprisingly faithful adaptation of that story, updated for modern audiences.
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That Nolan isn't as married to the modern stuff as people think. I think Goyer is the one who would like to have Batman be like the one in modern comics and make references to modern, post 80s stories. <p> I have a feeling when the next Batman film gets released it will be mostly influenced by Kane & Finger's pulpy Golden Age stories.
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Heres something I found at batman.wikia.com Rachael Dawes. Below is what I read:<br> I just found this article proving my point! Ill just copy the part about Maggie "Regarding Batman 3 rumors, we’re not going to guess if the next super villain is the Riddler (Johnny Depp) or the Penguin (Philip Seymour Hoffman). That’s all speculation at this point. But we do know two facts, Maggie Gyllenhaal and Aaron Eckhart signed on for two Bat-pictures. We’re not going to talk The Dark Knight spoilers, but hmmm. Nine lives indeed. Our source close to Maggie Gyllenhaal confirmed that she’s excited about the next movie, “why else would she, or Katie Holmes for that matter, take on the thankless roll of Rachel Dawes? After Katie left the roll, they could’ve create a new character. But that wasn’t part of Nolan’s plan. This is the trajectory he’s planned for Rachel since the first movie. Not only is Maggie contractually obligated, but she’s already getting in shape for Batman 3.” <br> As a long time comics fan I know if a bodys not found, the character usually comes back.
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...Like when they digitally rehashed Tony's Mother in the Sopranos after the actress died, it looked hideous. <br><br>Just let Ledger R.I.P.
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You ain't fit to call yourself a Batman fan. That is all.
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http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/12/01/christopher-nolan-denies-heath-ledger-cameo-in-the-dark-knight-rises/<br> <br> "...according to a report today by The Hollywood Reporter, both Christopher Nolan and his wife/producing partner Emma Thomas have denied the rumor, saying that Ledger’s performance will be contained to 2008’s The Dark Knight, and that the script for No. 3 isn’t finished yet."<br> <br> Soooooooo...nope. You might want to 'Update' this erroneous story.<br> <br> *KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK* <br><br> Allo? Anyone home?
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I'd kinda love to see a very dark ending to this trilogy. For me that would be Batman himself end up in arkham in a cell next to you know who. The ending would have Joker taunting him through a hole in the wall, "see, to them you are a freak" kinda thing. But yeah, if it's good, use it.
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briefly seen, maybe he has one line?
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I will try to find a link. I am honestly not trying to troll here or start a rumor, so I apologize, but I know I've read a detailed description of that cut scene (snippet really) online somewhere (this was 2 years ago shortly after TDK).
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Does this new site format mean we'll be getting spam?!
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......and I hope the IRS seizes your house and fucks your cat in the ass.
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I just so happened to watch TDK last night on cable in HD -- and Ledger (along with Ekhart) carries that movie. The people saying he only won the oscar because he died are complete idiots. He won it because he deserved it. Now, what Ledger's death DID do was make TDK into the huge international blockbuster it became. I do not believe it makes over $500 million in the US if Ledger doesn't die right before the movie is set to be released. The fact that Ledger's performance was already getting a lot of buzz, plus his death, really created a special confluence of events that drove people to the theaters. In fact, I vividly recall hearing all the hype about his performance before going to see the movie and it actually EXCEEDING my already high expectations. It was that good. I didn't mind that Ledger wasn't made up to look like the Comic Book version or Joker (or Ceasar Romero). I think the performance was one for the ages. Now, as to the topic at hand -- I have no problem with inserting a little Ledger Joker footage into the latest movie, provided it makes sense from a story and direction standpoint. Someone above mentioned a scene with Joker in Arkham, and that's exactly what I envisioned as well. If Ledger were alive right now, it would be extremely likely that he'd have a full scene in the new movie. The character is just too powerful and important to Batman's character development. It would have been (although cliche'd) neat to have a little Silence of the Lambs type scene with Batman and Joker in Arkham.
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