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The latest from Harrison Ford on an INDIANA JONES 4...
Hey folks, Harry here. Well... I've been hearing quite a bit about what's happening concerning this film and the... hold ups. One source at Paramount claims that Steven and George have a great script sitting in front of them, but Harrison is a bit hesitant to put the hat on again and doesn't want to do it. Meanwhile, in the public eye, the following is what Harrison says...
Harry
Thought you maybe could use this, from UK’s "Big Breakfast" show on
Channel 4 11/22/99. When Harrison Ford was asked
"When is Indiana Jones coming back?"
he replied
"Steven and George will not be available until 2005, and I don’t know
whether I’ll be fit or interested at that point, but I hope it could
happen before that."
Reason to be cautiously optimistic I think, as long as he ditches the
ear-ring to play our favourite whip-cracking archaeologist!
Regards
T.P.
So... What are we to think? Ford claims to want to do the film sooner rather than later. Why would Steven not be available till 2005? Who needs George on set everyday? I mean... isn't he basically just one of the producers? I'm sure Steven could get by without his direct constant help. So... with that in mind, why would Steven not be ready after MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA, which would place filming sometime late summer 2001? Well... let's keep our fingers crossed, that is... if you want to see one last Indy film. I believe there could be one last great one, but if it isn't GREAT, then let us have that last shot of them all riding off into the sunset... That's a bit fitting don't ya think?
Folks... Harry here again to answer the bit about Harrison Ford would be TOO OLD TO PLAY INDY in 2005. Did anyone see THE ROCK? That was what a 66 year old Sean Connery could do. In 2005, Harrison Ford would be 63. I don't know which script LUCASFILM and SPIELBERG are thinking of going with, but in my eyes... you would have to set the film sometime in either the late forties or early fifties. Henry Jones Jr has long since dropped the moniker Indiana... Some past pupil of his wants his aid on something... It's just a simple thing... that becomes unsimple. I would love to see an older Indiana. A character with... old football injuries. Slower, more pained. I could fanboy out and talk and write for hours about what I'd do, but ya know... What would you do with a 63 year old Indiana Jones?
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So, news from Brazil is no from Ford, and news from the U.K. is maybe? Sounds like the only thing that might be able to be confirmed is that HF doesn't know WHAT he wants to do. Any news from anywhere else on this?
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He will be a right old bastard by 2005. Unless he is old man Indy it will just be dumb
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If Indy 4 happens, it needs to include a new character that can continue the series, because we need movies like Indiana Jones. Old-fashioned adventure pics. If The Mummy had been better written, it would have been an old-fashioned adventure pic, but it wasn't, so it wasn't. Indy 4 should have a younger character, maybe a former student of Indiana's that feels he can "become the master"... and he should be working against Indy up until the end, where to save their lives they must work together. But nothing more high-minded than working together to save their lives. Oh, and there should be Communists in Indy 4 to replace the Nazis... Indy could fuck up everyone on Elia Kazan's shitlist... FUCK COMMIES! Hey, calm down all you communists. I'm just kidding. Oh, and I'm not first... or am I?
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After growing up with Dr. Jones I feel it would be a damn shame if an amazing trilogy should be ruined by a fourth Indiana. However... If it IS good... No if it is AMAZING... Go ahead. By all means. I
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Johnny Depp is approaching middle age fast (36)but he still gets away with playing characters half his age. Harrison Ford can still get away with playing Indy but it would be better if they include a son for Indy (Leo)or maybe a younger brother (Bruce Campbell. Ford needs to play Indy one last time before he disappears into the mire of his political thrillers and romantic comedys (how comes he too old for Indy yet still plays the romantic lead with women half his age?)
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it looks like it would be best to leave this a trilogy. I don't know how old Harrison is now, but he's got to be on the later side of his 50s. 2005?!? I wouldn't want to play a 60-year old Indiana Jones, either. I think Harrison Ford made the right call on this one. It's not that I don't want to see another Indy movie, believe me, I do. But I'd rather there be no Indy at all, than a bad one.
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What you all say is, in my mind, bang on the money. Harrison will be way too old in 2005. If he started the shoot yesterday then I think he would pull it off. It would be a travesty if they cocked a fourth film up. Having said that, I think with Lucas and Spielberg running the show there is little doubt that it wouldn't be good, the only way it wouldn't be a great film is if people couldn't stand to see Ford wrinkled and hurting all the way through it. I've got an Indy box-set and I treasure the stupid thing. If they did a fourth it would be then incomplete and I ain't having that!
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Or at least that would be evreyone's fear. It's hard to go back to gun-totting when you've done the Holocaust and Slavery. I think it wouldn't be impossible and Spielberg needs a break, return to his roots and discover that telling a good story for the sake of telling a story is just as valid as exploring the horror of WW2. It would be good, but I think pragmatism in the shape of schedules and desire to do it, will make it remain simply another movie wet dream.
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What they need to do is wit a few years for the technology & get lucas to make a CGI Harrison out of the last 3 movies & just get old Harrison to do the voice... u all know I'm right....
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...could be that George has talked his pal into directing the third installment of the prequels. Now wouldn -
I've given up waiting for Indy IV and am now inclined to agree with those who say let the sunset shot be the last. It was a nice end to the series. As for Harrison Ford - well personally I've become increasingly fed up with this guy. I happen to think he's conducting an experiment to discover the limits to the inverse relationship between effort and remuneration. Apart from The Fugitive (which was great and so was he)his '90s have been a disaster. Somehow I get the feeling his career - powered virtually exclusively by his successes in the '80s - is running out of steam and the days of the colossal pay-cheques could be getting short. Random Hearts just opened here (in Ireland) and I saw it last night. It was painful. No other words can describe it adequately. Kristin Scott Thomas is clearly following the patented career route of playing the same female role with a variety of established leading men. So I can't really say I felt sorry for her to be stuck in this garbage with Harrison doing his excruciating monotone shtick. It's the low point after a series of desperate peformances. Where's the guy who did Witness, Indy, and Working Girl gone (Even Frantic is much underrated and his performance is dead-on)? The Jack Ryan series is offensively jingoistic rubbish. I must say 6 Days 7 Nights was a huge disappointment because I think that's the direction he should be going in. He can't be blamed for Ivan Reitman's direction but he should have realised that the script was a dud. I still regard Harrison's '80s roles more fondly than most other things in the movies so I'll give him one last go with What Lies Beneath. Could be interesting. But if he does the 'drone' thing again I'm afraid it'll be the last time I waste hard-earned cash on him. I doubt if he'll miss me though since he has more money than some countries - and, hey - that's what it's all about isn't it? Admittedly bitter - GK
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Have old man Indy meet up with his illegitmate son, and they set off on an adventure to find Atlantis or some other lost mythological city. Along the way old man Indy and his son bicker back and forth, but at the end of the adventure they respect each other. Hell, I'd even kill-off Indy so we woulnd'nt have to worry about Ford dragging his feet about doing another one.
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How about Dr Jones passes on his hat (and whip) to Lara Croft? Correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't that be cool?
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How about Dr Jones passes on his hat (and whip) to Lara Croft? Correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't that be cool?
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No, it'd be called sacrilege.
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Come on, big guy. We already have a shot of them all riding off into the sunset (remember the end of Indy 3?)
We desperately need some creative new ideas in film, not more retreads. More "Being John Malkovich." More "American Beauty."
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Nov 22, 1999 8:59:43 AM CST
Marketing Man - Harrison Ford is Ranked as the #1 Box Office Dra
by templer
Hi, Marketing Man, loved your post, that was very funny. But, I found something misleading, or what might give people the wrong impression on Ford's drawing status. You say that actor Harrison Ford is the #4 most bankable star on the planet. Well, by 1999 Hollywood Reporter's Star Ranking standards - Ford is #4. But, just for 1999 alone, though. On an All-Time scale, Harrison Ford ranks as the #1 Draw at the Box Office for Domestic & Worldwide grosses in History. Overall, his movies have grossed more money at the Domestic & Worldwide Box Office than any other actor -- living or dead. Ford's films have grossed well over $5 Billion Dollars at the Worldwide Box Office ($3 Billion alone in North America). With those totals he's considered the top Box Office attraction of all time; well ahead of any of his contemporaries or any actors from past years. In fact, this decade, The National Association of Theater Owners crowned Harrison Ford the "Box Office Star of the Century." Ford's the Top Dog - so to speak -- of film grosses. He's the one with the most overall grosses in History. Now, if were talking consistency, that's another story. "Random Hearts" anyone?
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the hell didn't Eastwood get Ford to play Indiana Jones in Space Cowboys? Now that would have been something, right? just a thought!
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I grew up on Indiana Jones. There's a lot of nastalgia there. But they've been saying this film is almost a go for like five years now, and to say maybe in 2005 is such a joke. Lucas shouldn't direct. He should produce like before. Star Wars: 77, Empire: 80, Raiders: 81, Jedi: 83, Temple: 84. So what's the problem? Lucas had all the time in the world for Epidode 1. And judging from that...Um, maybe some pressure would be good for the guy. Go see American Beauty. Now THAT is a film worth talking about.
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To be honest, the ONLY Indiana Jones flick I liked and will be forever in my memory is RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. At the time, the film was new and magical (and even mythical) and the adventure was reborn again.
But when I look at the sequels (God, I hate sequels), they really vanish in front of Raiders! The sequels are dull and boring. I could watch Raiders over and over again without getting bored! The others (Temple of Doom, Last Crusade) instead, I wished they never existed. End of the story. -
I'm still not sure if indy 4 will be good or bad, but for those of you who think an old guy can't rock, go read the dark knight returns...
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The cuurent slate of disappointing sequels (or prequels)to great movies demonstrates that.
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I would think in light of what he has witnessed in the first and third films, indy4 would have to be an devoutly religious person. it follows that he raise a holy army ala pope innocent and begin slaying heretics. During a voodoo hunt in the Florida evergaldes indy tumbles into a giant inkwell shaped cauldron. it is the fountain of youth. indy reverts to a fetus like form and dies instantly of exposure. The dead fetus, belloq's tiny spectacles and a camel killed in indy3 all float into the sun. the density of the appendaged star creates a singularity in the womb of Marion. A week later she gives birth to a new universe. Fade to white! Roll credits! The credits will be written on construction paper with a blue paint marker.
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. . . woops, wrong series. Well, I can honestly say that, for once, it doesn't matter to me - I'd be delighted to see a new Indy movie (yes, delighted), but if they leave it at three, that's fine too, because they had a great ending for the last one. I have no objections to an older, wiser Dr. Jones, I think it'd be great - look at Stamp in the Limey, Connery in the Rock, etc. . . I like the concept of older tough guys, a la Kurt Russell in Tough Guys (anyone remember that one? Besides Flmlvr?) But the main reason I want to see this done is because I want to see Spielberg do something fun for a change - Memoirs of a Geisha? What? He needs to understand you don't have to do epic tearjerkers to be a great director, but it may be too late. . .
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So far, Indiana Jones' adventures have brought him in contact with (in chronological order) (1) the magical SANKARA STONES of the Thuggee cult (TEMPLE OF DOOM), (2) the lost ARK OF THE COVENANT (RAIDERS), and (3) the HOLY GRAIL (LAST CRUSADE [which should have been called Last QUEST, since the Crusades weren't about finding the Holy Grail]). In other words, he has encountered (1) supernatural PAGAN artifacts, (2) the central supernatural artifact of JEWISH lore, and (3) the central supernatural artifact of CHRISTIAN legend. Where is there to go from here? The world simply doesn't offer archaeological mysteries to top that. Even TEMPLE OF DOOM, coming as it did after RAIDERS, was somewhat anticlimactic, since we just didn't care about those Sankara stones the way we cared about the Ark. Only the fact that TOD was a "prequel" offered any possibility of redemption for the film. But INDY 4 will have to be a sequel to CRUSADE (Ford can still play an action star, but not a younger man than the hero of CRUSADE). And no matter what the object of Jones' quest is, it can't help but be disappointing and anticlimactic.
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Personal an older (like Tough Guys, which was a very good film) Indy could work very well if Speilburg and Lucus go sit in a little log cabin w/ no phones, watch Raiders and Last Crusade (forget Temple of Doom it sucked)and some of those old movie serials from the 30's & 40's.
Then and only then pin the great Indy 4, which should pass the torch, uh, whip.
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Nov 22, 1999 11:42:57 AM CST
An OLDER Indy with "football injuries"? You ARE nuts Harry!!!
by mckracken
I didnt like it in Lethal Weapon 4 and I dont like it now. Henry Jones Jr. DROPS THE "INDY" MONIKER????? YOU ARE FRAGGIN NUTS HARRY!!! I'm surprised how hard sites like Cinescape, AICN and Dark Horizons try to keep "INDY 4" in the headlines... Folks theres been NO REAL news on this movie so DROP THE CRAP!! Come back later when you've GOT SOME REAL INFORMATION!!!!! harrison Ford on "UK's big breakfast"... gimme a break!!! --McK
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Ford probably doesn't want to do another one, and doesn't want to offend Spielberg and Lucas. I think his time as Indy has passed. In five years, Ford in an "Indiana Jones" movie would resemble a 'Who' reunion concert: it's nice to see the boys again, but at the same time you're hoping they get off the stage before they make fools of themselves (or break something). Remember way back when they had a script that would have seen Kevin Costner playing Indy's younger brother?
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. . . I meant Kirk Douglas in Tough Guys, not Kurt Russell. Dumb mistake, I know - thanks to whoever pointed that out for me. Needless to say, I don't see why people are protesting an older Indy - I think it's a great idea. I mean, Ford still looks great, and he's an archeologist, for god's sake, it'd just make it better! So who knows, right? Sure it's not 1985 anymore, but who knows what the future may bring?
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perhaps the best idea for a film yet, ever. I personally offer to finance this film in exchange for a producer credit. I could sell my car or rob a 7-11, or both. Who's with me? Talkbackers unite, to create the greatest film in history....
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Why not have Connery reprise his role as a dying Henry Jones and that his last request is to have Ford find and rescue a half brother embroiled in the Chicago Mob scene. Why must Indy's adventures be about some old religious artifact and being chased around the world? I'd rather see an older Indy using his brain instead of his whip. His charm and charisma from his worldly travels would work well into a detective story. There would still be shoot um ups, etc. Just thinking out loud.
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I'm really sick of hearing that Lucas and Speilburg will be unavailable until 2005 as a reason that Indy 4 isn't being made right now. First of all the first Indianna Jones was made in 1982, and if I'm correct that was while the first Star Wars trilogy was in still in Production(at least ROTJ was) so the first part is bull shit. Second does Spielburg have everything he wants to direct mapped out for the next 6 years? And even if he did, if the script is so good, why doesn't he make time? The studio knows that the movie will make money, and he probably knows that it will make money, so there is little risk. IS he stalling so Paramount pays him more to direct? Anyway, I don't think this movie is ever gonna get made. IF it was, there would already be a press release and a casting call and a date to start filming!
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I think - hear me out on this - that the only way to revitalize the series is to bring in someone who can infuse the character with the depths and dark shades HF was able to - and that person is James Van Der Beek. His work in VARSITY BLUES was stunning, and the rumours about him becoming Annakin Skywalker might just rescue the Next Star Wars from following the PHANTOM MENACE path any further. Okay - I'm being sarcastic, with a point, I hope. There is this poisonous way of thinking that runs through geekdom that is dangerous and stupid - the three Indy films were a collaboration between Spielberg, Lucas and HF at a certain time in their lives, when they had enough true love for the spirit of the adventure films/serials they were trying to emulate, and did so effectively. But it is NOT a commodity that you can recreate just because the 3 principles are still alive and kicking. It would, as was pointed out above, be closer to the Who reuniting (bleahhhh). And to debate successors to Indy is the lamest kind of pastime - I mean, the only news here is that there is no news, except a groundswell of desire to rethink the series/engage in fantasies that another Indie would do anything other than cheapen the original three.
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considering that animals are evolving at an incredible rate, i can only assume that the giant mullosks of the pacific have contrived their own fantastical and magic religion. a religion replete with artifacts for pilfering! if JetJaguar's jet powered jaguar does not bring in the eight dollars it will cost to make Indiana Jones and the Holy Jihad, I say: make a stop-motion octopus movie spielberg, you assface!
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Didn't Indy and his dad both drink from the Holy Grail at the end of the Last Crusade? Therefore, they should be, if not immortal, then less impervious to ageing than normal humans. So...if Harrison (and get off his back, you fools...he's made more classic films than anyone has a right to; let's forgive his recent duds) plays Indy in 2005, when he's old, wrinkled and grey, then the film would have to be set in present day. Roughly. I'm guessing, of course...but it seems to me that we're all forgetting ourselves here. Indy is immortal, or close to it. Personally, though, I'd rather we had two classic Indys, and the Temple of Doom, rather than two classics, and two crap ones. Stick with three, lads...let the legacy live on.
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. . . in the words of the Highlander - THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! Enough with these thoughts of a "new" Indiana Jones - shame on all of you! I don't care HOW good Van Der Beek is, or Slater, or anyone - there is ONE INDIANA JONES AND HIS NAME IS HARRISON FUCKING FORD!!! To replace him would be an embarrassment and an insult. Ford or bust, that's what I say - yeah, Young Indiana Jones was a cute idea, but NO MORE, I say. Pleeeease say you people don't REALLY think a "new, edgier, hip" Indiana is a good idea. Please. For the love of all you hold sacred, don't entertain these evil thoughts any more, or. . . feel my wrath.
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I might just be a complete spaz but it seems to me that the toughest hurdle to overcome in any future 'Jones films would be the fact that since Indy and his father drank from the Holy Grail they are both immortal. Now it seems to me that this means they cannot die, but the knight guy guarding the cups seemed pretty old and frail. That would imply a sort of slower aging process which would mean that in only 10-20 years Indy would still be rather youthful and verile.
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No.........don't do it ! Don't make another Indy film.......keep away from it !
Has the TPM lesson taught you nothing ?
Let the moviegoers bask in the golden glow of their memories, don't give them something new that'll be autopsied to death in the six months before release, only to be universally condemned by those who are too nearsighted to see it's they who have changed, not the concept.
Buuuuuuuuut, then again, wave a buck in front of George's face, whisper "merchandise" is his ear and watch the little fucker run like hell to make another movie !
Hey, Harry, can I change my name to "Pessemist" or "The my glass is half empty guy" ?
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Nov 22, 1999 2:15:55 PM CST
Johnny Depp my Ass! Now Dennis Quaid on the other hand.......
by jim fin
Yeah, Johnny Depp is a bloody good, no, GREAT actor. But there is no way he would be suited, 1stly to the part and 2ndly to the big studio production that it would be. The idea is a joke. The only man I can think of who would be good in the role would be Dennis Quaid. Yes, Dennis Quaid. But even he is probably a little too old. INDIANA JONES - R.I.P.
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Yes, Quaid would be the best choice, and he's not as old as Ford. But anyway. It was my understanding that neither Indy nor his father were immortal, because to remain immortal after drinking from the cup, you had to stay behind the great seal. "It is the price for immortality," the knight said. Maybe you had to keep the grail in your possession or regularly drink from it.
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Didn't you guys actually watch Last Crusade? Indy was only going to be an immortal after drinking from the grail if he stayed inside the temple. Once he and his dad left the temple they were no longer immortal so yes they are going to die. Pitt,Norton,Fraser and Slater? you gotta be kidding me they are a joke as Indy. At least Fraser was in "The Mummy".
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Devils Halo, you ask why not Indiana Jones without cliffhanger adventure and religious artifacts? Because if you're going to do a completely different genre of movie that thematically has zero in common with the series to date, then have the guts to admit that it is NOT an Indiana Jones story, H.F. or no H.F. A story that has so little in common with its putative source material should be considered a sui generis narrative and the characters should be given names of their own. Take FIRST KNIGHT: why call the characters "King Arthur" and "Guinevere" and "Lancelot" when the story has so little to do with established Arthurian lore? If you're telling a totally different sort of story, don't get fans of the source material worked up by pressing the nomenclature into service, let it stand on its own merits. And 00spool, thanks for your remarkable suggestion, the mind boggles. :-)
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Just because they drank from the cup does not make them instantly immortal. They would have to keep drinking, everyday, a nutritious 8 cups per day probably. And since the cup was lost, well, they can now get old. For more, please see your Trek Bible for explanations to weird phenomena. Geezus, I must be really bored today.
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Well - at least no one has suggested that Spielberg produce a Stephen Sommers' directed INDIANA JONES AND THE MUMMY'S TOMB, in which Indy and his protege Rick O'Connell get lost in a HAUNTED-tomb, only to be rescued by Laura Croft.........
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Why would you want Johnny Depp to play Indy? His boxoffice clout is awful. Just think of Astronaunts Wife(bomb), Nick of Time(BOMB), Fear & Loathing(BOMB), Donnie Brasco(BOMB), Sleepy Hollow(Not exactly setting the world on fire). I think that the man to replace Ford as Indy has to be BRUCE CAMPBELL. Admittedly his films have no more clout than Depp's but it would be cool to hear Indy say 'Gimme some sugar baby'.
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Just kidding, no really, since Harrison is kinda starting to look like Sean Connery, they should make a story like he got Karen Allen's charecter from the first one pregnent ( they were fucking in the snake chamber) and his long lost son, a very handsome and "FIT" Wes Bentley or Jude Law comes riding in, father and son have to defeat all sorts of perils while bonding, then at the end, son says "Pops, I have something to tell you...."
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Oh, yeah! Bruce Campbell is the king! "Hail to the king, baby!"
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I can see it now... Indy has his first misadventure with loss of bodily control, and it's up to Henry to take him to the supermarket, where the two of them wander the aisles aimlessly, bickering, looking for the adult diapers. Thrilling! And you can count me out. Someone stick a fork in Harrison and flip him over. The INDY series is done.
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Could be a good idea...DEPENDS...
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Indiana Jones is supposed to be handsome, sexy, smart and REALLY masculine. Pitt, Norton & Slater miss on at least one of these attributes each, and Fraser has yet to show whether he can play smart. I remember when Harrison Ford first hit it big in Star Wars I read an article with the title "If Harrison Ford didn't exist, Hollywood would have had to invent him." This is so true. Sadly he has chosen roles for money rather than art (or fun) for a long time now. That entitles him to a boring retirement because he could have done so much more. There are a million young, handsome, smart, sexy and masculine young actors out there. Spielberg and Lucas could find someone as unknown as Ford was when he made Star Wars and create a new Indie series separate from the old one.
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I can't believe anyone could complain about Connery in the Rock - he was brilliant and just what you would expect an old SAS guy to be like......as for storyline for Indy4 - if Ford doesn't want to do anything that takes effort - I say he gets kidnapped and Connery as his daddy has to rescue him - that way we could get to see a side of Connery everyone likes - kicking ass big style....and what films has Connery made in the past 15 to 20 years that were crap???? - I can't think of any - the man is GOD and one of the best actors ever!!!
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movie that clearly may not get made. 2005? That's a wayyysss from here .. see ya in 6 years!
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well...i say give indy an eyepatch so he can look all bad-assed like john wayne in true grit. plus it's because he's older, so you can't expect him to get through all that time without some kinda injury...so that's my suggestion. let's just hope for now that they can at least do it....
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...and if it's not bad enough to make a 4th installment, making one SO long after the previous is also bad! Look at the Bonds. Usually every 2 years, despite the 6 year hiatus before Goldeneye. (note- See 'Hollow' instead of TWINE) Anyway. It's just been to long. It won't be the same at all. It's already been to long. I remember when Indy 4 was supposed to happen in '95, now that woulda worked (better). Leave Indy as a trilogy, for crying out loud! A 4th one will be full of bad CGI, non-offensive (read: no Nazis) villians and more family members, a la Batman & Robin. Last Crusade even had too many characters. PLEASE! Leave Indy be!
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To be accurate, we've seen Indy at 83 (with the eyepatch) in an episode of Young Indiana Jones (which Lucas has as being in IJ continuity). So we have seen an old Indy. What we would be filling in is the time between - I've seen comments for '47 (remember that we haven't seen Indy during WWII, just before) and Roswell, and several others.
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Two suggestions actually. Let me start off by saying that (and many may want to boil me in oil for this idea) I think they should make Indy Jones a franchise series like James Bond. Countless adventures await, and it would be great to see this character live a long life, much like Bond has. Okay--so who takes over the reigns, even if Ford does one more? Without a doubt, there's one guy perfectly suited for the role, though I fear Spielberg and Lucas would never think of him: David Duchovny. He's perfect. He's always reminded me of Ford, and he has a Bogart quality to him as well. Duchovny as Indy would rule. But if not that, I wouldn't mind finally giving Tom Selleck a crack at it and finally get an idea of what almost was. He looks very young for his age, and I just think it would be fun. Recap: Duchovny, first and foremost. But if not him, let's see Selleck.
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Back to the Future 3 fit in the great scheme of things? It's basically a western. I just think a great adventure doesn't need to go outside the boundaries of the country, does not have to have a search for an ancient artifact. There isn't any continuous storyline in the Indy trilogy. Each one is a seperate movie. The only thing that remains constant is chronological order, but that's what title cards are for, and is the basis for all the fuss and hoopla over a geriatric Indy. I liked Ford's cameo as old reminiscing Indy in the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, where he knows he's getting older and handles it well. He's not running from Nazi's there. Sure it was still an artifact (an indian one I believe, but you could replace it with... the Maltese Falcon. I just think it's time for something different, don't you?
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63?!!! Egads! There's no way in hell they should make it then. I'm sorry but I'm sick of movies dragging out sequels to the point of having former heroes turn into old farts looking for Ben Gay and a good bowel movement. I already suffered through Lethal Weapon 4, seeing the coolest mofo ever, Martin Riggs, reduced to an old, complaining codger. And The Rock with Sean Connery wading around the waters of Alcatraz - hello, Arthritis. I don't want to see old guys in action movies and I certainly don't want to see them playing old guys in action movies. Hell, it sounds like the next Indy will have the adventure be to see if he can pick his keys up off the floor without throwing out his back. Screw that! If they want to make another Indy, find some young guy to take the role or just friggin' forget it.
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For those who were in short pants when RAIDERS came out... let me remind you of how fresh it was: there was no hype. There were no billboards. The trailers didn't really say WHAT the fuck the movie was, who made it, who the star was. They "snuck" it in 500 theatres... and the rest is history. It generated SO MUCH word of mouth that one week later the whole world knew who Indy was. The other films were paler in comparison. Of course they were. But really, I have to admit that I enjoyed them fairly well. My problem is that there are so many cool things that could be made along the lines of the original. Why not let us have the original three Indy films and have Lucasberg concentrate on something truly original... something that blows our socks clean off [in the way that Star Wars and Indy don't seem capable of any more]. No more piss ants.
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The one big debate I find here is, how will they deal with Indiana's immortality? I mean, he and his father drank from the Holy Grail, and in my book it kind of makes it hard to explain why he's 'aged'.
Or, a better way to put it is like this: Wouldn't Indiana become a middle aged superhero? I mean, if he couldn't be killed, he could simply do whatever he wanted and put himself in all sorts of dangers with total confidence. He could take bullets like the Crow, he could dive off of huge cliffs, he could be blasted with a blowtorch for that matter, and in essence be completely unharmed.
And, in the film, they said that the Grail loses it's power when it was outside of the cave. Indiana and his dad knocked back a sip or two inside the cave for anyone who may debate this issue. -
All you have to do is watch the movie. The knight tell indy that if he passes the great seal (as in design on floor not the aquatic animal for those of you talk backers who were not graced with a great deal of common sense) and the effects of the holy water from the holy grail would be null and void. No substitutions exchangees or refunds.
The knights brothers got tired of living together with a bunch of men for eternity and decided to heead back for a wild night on the town somee 300 yeears after initially drinking from the cup but, alas, they quickly aged and died in a matter of hours. So, INdy is still aging, and still vulnerable. Give me a good script and give me Indy 4. -
That was the product of a frustrated mind.
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Nov 22, 1999 8:44:08 PM CST
Explore the Indiana character. Don't do another formula Indiana
by l. zelig
Please people, Ford is not too old to do a 4th Indiana movie. An older Indiana is actually more interesting than another middle-aged Indiana. I want to grow with the character, not see him frozen in time (a la James Bond). The only two questions are: 1.) is there a great script?, and 2.) can Ford still act? The script would have to be perfect, if not, don't do it. With that character though, I believe there are a million great ideas out there left to be explored. Explore the character though, don't cover up some re-tread, formula plot with one-liners and forgettable action scenes and special effects. But, can Ford still act? Maybe Indiana is just the thing he needs to pull out of his depressed and sour funk. His 90's movies (even the Fugitive at times) are painful to watch. Possible ideas... Maybe he should be an alcholholic Indiana at the beginning of the movie. An old friend sends a desperate or cryptic telegram for help. The ensuing adventure pulls him out of his alcholhic haze. It would be a darker, more haunting Indiana picture. Or... maybe Indiana is now a retired, emeritus prof. with too much time on his hands (a la Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window) who gets involved in some caper. An older Indiana is so interesting though. Think Clint Eastwood in In the Line of Fire. Being the old-timer secret service guy struggling with his demons made that movie great. Had he been younger, it would have been just another forgettable action movie.
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That being said, I saw him last month on Letterman, and he is starting to look more his age....though moving towards his late 50's he doesn't look older than 50, and when he smiles, he drops about 10 years from his age. If he's had any work done, he had a really glood plastic sugeon, because he doesn't look creepy like Beatty or some other aging male stars who have had work done. Anyway, sorry, I'm having trouble staying on track because I've been in love with Ford since I saw Raiders in the theater when it first came out. My point was, if he makes another Indy movie, I think he should do it in the next 3 years tops, because great as he looks, action heroes over 60 as a rule just look like parodys of themselves. Yes I said AS A RULE, Connery still looks great. As far as Bruce Campbell being in the same movie as him, whoever said that, I'm not gonna be able to concentrate at work the rest of tonight, Seeing both of them on the screen at once, my hormones would, uh, blow a gasket or something. I think I better stop this post right now.
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Okay, I've got two minutes before I have to split, but Harry asked for opinions on what we'd do. I liked the idea of using communism in another movie because it parallels the evils of Nazism and gives the aging Indy the appropriate amount of time since the last installment. This would be in the mid to late 40's and Russia is in the iron-clad clutches of Stalin and Beria with the secret police sending everyone to Siberia or the gulag. Russia has put down a revolt in Azerbaijan which has a largely Muslim population. We find out that when the Muslims took over that area in the 7th century the used the holy sword of the Immam Ali to defeat their enemies. Stalin knows of Hitler's quest for religious artifacts because of the peace talks when he was trying to buy time for Russia to avoid being overrun with Nazis. The artifact this time is Dhulfiqar the sword that Ali used to defeat the Jews at wherever that desert stronghold was. It was buried with Ali, but then used to subjegate the infidels and stored in a mosque in Azerbaijan. Later, Russians took it over and now Indy must penetrate the iron curtain to recover it before the commies use it to spread their empire even further than the recently liberated and quickly subjegated eastern European countries. Hey, maybe Indy could run into a little British kid on this adventure while Indy discovers that martinis shaken, not stirred, are his preference. Whew, is it getting hot in here or is it just all those flames? What's the animal for this movie? Um, scorpians I think. Yeah, a mass of stinging scorpians. Who's the chick this time? Mmm, should turn out to be the mother of his previously unknown kid. Reverse scene: Indy uses the sword in a fancy manner to kick ass on a guy about to shoot him. Sword ends up in the Caspian sea during the exciting race away from the KGB. Hey, I can write a third-rate script as well as the next guy. See ya.
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Who gives a rats ass what the studio execs are doing? Who cares if they don't have time to do the movie until 2005? If Harrison does not want to do the movie, give it to someone else then... BATMAN BEYOND ROCKS EVEN WITHOUT BRUCE WAYNE!!! Maybe the execs just want to spend time to themselves and their families... If they don't want to do it, LEAVE THEM THE HELL ALONE!!! WE ARE JUST MOVIE LOVERS HERE!! WE DO NOT RUN THE FRIGGIN UNIVERSE!!!
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Doesn't anyone remember the episode of YIJ (currently on video as ep 20) where Harrison Ford played Indy in about 20 minutes worth of a story in 1950? Your Indy collection isn't complete without it.
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I read this script awhile ago and thought that someone would mention it in this talkback... but I guess I'm the first. Has anyone else read it?? I would have thought so. ANyway, it's written by THE Jeff Boam and its called INDIANA JONES AND THE SONS OF DARKNESS. It tells the story of Indy in the late forties (early fifties?). It opens with a kickass action scene as he is exploring a cavern. After that he learns that his father has died while he was away. Jump to a year later, and Indy has hung up his wip and is now teaching in Boston. Marcus is dead too. "Everyone's leaving me..." Indy says. Then we are introduced to a 12 year old kid called Abner... whois the son of Marion (from Raiders ofcourse). She is now a down on life drunk of sorts. Abner discovers that Indy is his father (Indy didn't know). He has his father's adventure-seeking bug in him so he goes to Boston to find his father. They meet. Indy can't believe it. Rejects him. Then remembers HIS father and then creates a friendship with his son. Some Russian guy asks Indy to help him find Noah's Ark. Indy refuses. Abner is hurt that his famous father has quit the adventure business and decides to use Indy's plain ticket and password to seek out the Ark. This Russian guy is evil and is looking for something that is supposed to be in the Ark. INdy meets up with Marion to find the lost Abner. They travel all over blah blah blah.
HOW IS IT??
Well, it's a cool ass concept. Abner is written perfectly! Ayoung Indy (I kept picturing River in the role)! The action sequences are written VERY well. The characters are pretty good. INDY DEALS WITH BEING OLD... WHICH IS WRITTEN WELL.
WHAT'S BAD ABOUT IT?
It's a great read for those of us who are waiting for the fourth film. However, the "quest" is lacking. Indy is hardly in the whole story... he's just trying to save his son (which I guess is a nice thing to do). But there is no real quest here. Abner is the focus which can be both a good thing and bad thing. Basically, if they involve Indy in the quest for the Ark, it would be better. Perhaps Abner is a stow-away on his father's quest. The best parts are the new foes... the Russians (ala THE COLD WAR)... The first thirty or forty pages... the last ten pages... the scene with Indy and Stalin "helping" eachother is hilarious... the wit is there... and Abner is a great character (again, just think River's young Indy)!! Read it now. It says that it was based on a story by Lucas in 1996. This isn't the "fake" script of a few years ago to my knowledge. It was written by Boam. Anyway, here is where to find it... "moviescripts.cjb.net"
CONSIDER IT MEDICATION FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SEE INDY 4 RIGHT NOW!!! -
I couldn't believe that someone actually thought that Leo should be included in a 4th Indy...Sacrilege! Anyway I think the movie will eventually be made, and as for the notion of Spielberg directing Episode III I think that Lucas would be the hesitant one, not Spielberg.
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It is obvious to anyone with a brain that the new Indiana Jones, the one that Indy passes the hat to is none other than SHORT ROUND from Temple of Doom. Who could forget him? "No time for love Dr. Jones indeed." Short round obviously has what it takes. He should be the new Indy to start off the next generation. Who's with me?
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how about a film to bridge the tv series and the film series,theatrical set sometime in that 10 year gap between the 'last' (chromological) tv movie and
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It's tough. Ford has this amazing quality that few actors posess, in that he so totally becomes his characters. Han Solo, Indiana Jones, and even , in my humble oppinion, Jack Ryan simply are Harrison Ford, pure and simple. Hell, I wanted to vote for his ass after Air Force One (although i would have to take Morgan Freeman over him, simply because he is God). The man is a hero, and I would love to imagine walking into his living room and seeing a blaster, a C.I.A. acsess badge and a Fadora all sitting behind glass. everything that you see and hear about the man, however, point to two things: One, he is extremely private and family oriented. Second, although he apreciates all of our support, he looks at what he does as a job. A job he likes, mind you, but still a job. It is no secret that he fervently requested that Solo die at the end of Jedi in an act of selflessness, because it would have brought the character full circle. That is apparently how he thinks, not of the dollars and sequels, but of what is best for the role. I guess that is the reason that he has worked for so long and developed the respect that he has. I think that he probably wants to bow out of the role, whenever that might be, with as much dignity as possible. Do I think that he can't cut it? No, if anybody can, it's Ford. Should he come back? Yes, because he ows it to the character and to us. I think that Young Indiana is a slick idea, as long as they would resist getting someone other than Flannery. Ford himself blessed the guy's work in the t.v. series, and that is good enough for me.
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36 is old, eh? Why you whippersnapper, I'm 38! I ain't old yet. If not for my lumbago, I'd ding ya right smartly with my cane, dagnabbit.
Depp and I both have made deals with the Dark Ones, and we will be dating 18 year-olds 'til we run out of Viagra.
(Now I know why the old people used to smirk when I mocked their ancient 40-year-old visages... they knew my turn would come) -
Nov 23, 1999 2:49:10 AM CST
All heroes must have an ending, else they are not heroes
by jack parsons
Robin Hood shot an arrow into the air, and directed that he be buried where it landed. Arthur was borne away to Avalon, to await his people's need. Frank Miller gave Batman's myth the needed ending story, the broken old man who tries one last time.
A hero, to be a true hero, has to have an arc... an ending place. Thanks to the TV series, we know Indy lasts to his ninties. But he lost an eye, and took major hurt getting there. We should see Indy as he ages... if there is a good story to tell in the process. To address Harrison's concerns, he's not too old, and he knows it.. unless of course he knows he is, from private knowledge. That would be sad, but *his* ending story if true. We are only immortal for a limited time. -
Just to note, as two people above have mentioned that the character of Marcus could possibly be dead in any new movie, that the great British actor Denholm Elliott who played him unfortunately certainly is, and has been since 1992.
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Look, Harrison Ford can pull off Indy quite successfully. First of all, as he has stated on many occassions previously, there is immense amounts of smoke and mirrors. Secondly, a Indy adventure could easily incorporate his age. To me, the most appealing thing about the Indy character to me is that while his fellow professor work mates are sitting at home at most nights in a comfortable but boring life, he's out there nearly getting killed searching for incredible artifacts. It would be good to see Indy in a new adventure somewhat older, but still kick-ass, as it would be good to see Indy still up to his old ways, not ever having been tamed. Anyway, I don't think many people can honestly say that Sean Connery wasn't kick-ass in the Rock. And part of his attraction was the fact that this old guy still has what it takes.....In regards to Harrison's comments on Indy4, if anything he's trying to get it made now. Come on, he's said a million times that he'd like to do another film. Maybe he's realised that if he doesn't make some stand, Lucas and Spielburg won't get their arse into gear before 2005. What effect do you think these comments will have on Lucas and Spielburg. It will make them prioritise their immediate future. I'm sure that when they do this, Indy4 will be on a very short short list.
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We've all argued over this a million times and I've said this a million times, but whether we NEED another Indy film is beside the point. Most of us (especially me) WANT another Indy film, and are in fact desperate to see another one in the works. Of Course Indy has to be older but don't make him shit by giving him a son, a wife or any of that crap. Indy is a single man and I can't imagine him being tied down like that. Don't give him a bloody cane either or a grey beard and stay away from that bloody eye patch (maybe stick something in at the end, but not for the majority of the film)
It will be so cool if he just falls down a few more holes than normal, can't run as fast as he used to. falls off a couple of horses, or hurts his back or something. And don't stick the guy in a grandad suite or anything cause that'll destroy it. Full indy clobber please.
Bring Seany boy back, and dedicate the film to the departed and great Denholm Elliot (Marcus) cause he'll be missed.
Also, bring back Marion! and maybe Willy too. They could have a cat fight over him! or just beat him up. Who knows.
Ford'll do it. If he says no, scrap it. Simple as that. No-one else can play Indy.
Lucas and Speilberg need to get there arses in gear and get this made before we all die of old age.
P.S. and whoever the twat was who said give him a son (LEONARDO DICAPRIO) needs to get there arses kicked too, cause if he goes anywhere near the crown jewels that is an Indiana jones Movie, I'll have some people to kill in 2006! -
It is well known that there are 2 scripts ready and it is just a case of going with the right one. We all know that Speilberg is a perfectionist, so let's be patient. Also, if it's any consolation, I distinctly remember Ford on the Arsenio Hall show just after The Last Crusade came out saying that he WOULD do another Indy. That was about 10 years ago though!!!!
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That would make Henry Jones Snr about 85.I hope Connery returns in this movie,though he and Ford will be in identical zimmer frames by then.Ah well he could pass for 53 I guess
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Hey,
you're thinking his career is over.. But you're forgetting that he has a new Zemeckis Film coming out next year with Michelle Piefer... And Zemeckis almost is always good... It's a supernatural science fiction story from Dreamworks... It should be good.. Also, Air Force One was a good Ford Vechicle.. I'm not complaining.. He could pull of an Indy 4. -
Hey,
you're thinking his career is over.. But you're forgetting that he has a new Zemeckis Film coming out next year with Michelle Piefer... And Zemeckis almost is always good... It's a supernatural science fiction story from Dreamworks... It should be good.. Also, Air Force One was a good Ford Vechicle.. I'm not complaining.. He could pull of an Indy 4. -
Is it just me or does Ford and pro golfer Nick Faldo look like twins or at least brothers? If Ford doesn't want to do Indy 4 have Faldo play Indy since he is about 12 years younger than Ford it will work! And Ford could pull off playing an old Indiana, he did it on the tv show already a few years ago.
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ok ok that is madness ....
if Ford doesnt play Indy Jones ... than its not Jones imagine han solo being played by another guy in Return of the Jedy
DISASTER ... what they need to do so that IJ4 becomes a great movie is move their asses !! IJ4 -
I feel sorry for the people who dont know who nick faldo is...
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Go for it!!!, I mean a new Jones 4. Why not take advantage of Ford's talent why he's still around. Besides, Lucas and Speilberg,..how can you go wrong? I cannot believe that there have been so many reviews and no slams of HARRY yet. (Geez, HARRY, I think you may have stumbled onto something here...just mention IJ and no personal insults...)
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to be called ElderGoth, 'cause I'm neither elder nor Goth... it was a term of endearment given me by real goths. Irony, ya know?Tormenting my aged Gothyness ain't exactly burning by tailfeathers...
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Nov 23, 1999 11:43:19 PM CST
Correcting a posessive pronoun, and maybe adding a bit more
by jack parsons
OK, so zero ain't toasting MY tailfeathers, not BY tailfeathers.
I'll take the op to add some relevant comment. I don't think that the Indy series needs another movie. "Last Crusade" ended with a gorgeous shot of the cast riding into the sunset, and I don't think that can be topped by yet another rehash of the formula. Let novels and comics add their apocrypha. The movies stand nicely by themselves. BTW, if anyone wants to see Indy in the 1950's, Ford graciously did a few minutes of role reprisal in one episode of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. He's grey-bearded and middle-aged, and still buckleswashing with the best of them. -
Does the world *really* need a fourth Indy movie? I think the existing trilogy, although not without its faults, stands proudly on its own and doesn't need a final wrap-up installment.
I mean, it's not as if Ford, Spielberg or Lucas aren't ever going to make a decent movie ever again. Let's just leave the Indy series alone and let these people get on with making other movies. I'd rather see Spielberg turn his hand to a more original project than just running off another sequel. The same goes for Ford and Lucas has got his work cut out with the remaining two Star Wars movies. -
..your right, we don't need it. WE BLOODY WANT IT!!!
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I can think of plenty I could do with a 63 year old Indy ;)
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Does life end for people simply because a number dictates that they should be classified as old? Come on! There are very interesting ways Lucas/Spielberg could go with this wonderful character.
For example, the second and third movies were prequels. A fourth could be the final chapter showing Indiana and Marion's life after Raiders and after his life has slowed down. One last adventure to show that he still has what it takes.
Keep in mind that the best attribute Indiana Jones has, in my opinion, is the fact that he is not perfect. But despite his imperfections, he still prevails. I just can't believe that AGE would get in Indiana's way and I also believe a movie starring an older Harrison would be proof enough of that! -
I must say Sean Connery wasn't that strong a swimmer in Never Say Never. In The Rock he was written as an old fart criminal. While he was way cool, he was no action hero. Indy is an action hero. I no more want to see an old Indy than I wanted to see an old Bond. Ford hasn't acted hungry for years, he's been treating everything as drearily as the voice overs to Blade Runner. Back then he hated the overdubs, at this point I think he hates the whole industry. His effort sure doesn't prove otherwise.
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It could be pretty cool - but only if they didn't take it too seriously. There could be some funny father/son moments when they're both out of breath - Indy can't use his whip anymore, they confide in each other about old age sexual problems etc... The script MUST be just right, though, and although I want to see this film today, we can wait... Drs. Jones and Jones aren't too old... yet.
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Please ignore.
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I would like to see an Indy movie set in the 50's mixing in the Lovecraft mythos. Oh, yah, and have it fit the fifties by being shot in 3D.
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You want to see an old guy kickin everyone's ass? Check out Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. It will NEVER be done better than that. Even though he's old and weak, Clint's character was once the MOST vicious, remorseless, evil man in the west... and when he's provoked, he can still blow away everyone. Its a tribute to the old westerns at the same time as its a reaction to them. If Unforgiven hadn't been done I'd say this would be the way to go. Make Indy old and hobbled but when enough evil comes knocking at his door, he starts kickin ass again. But since its been done, its not worth doin, in my opinion. That applies to all unnecessary sequels and remakes of old classics. Support the screenwriters with an original thought in their heads!
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Would it really kill so much to have another Indiana?
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