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‘The Entire Western Seaboard Is Falling!!’ Monday Brings NBC’s Last EVENT Until Feb. 28!!

I am – Hercules!! NBC is billing tonight’s installment of “The Event” as its autumn finale, suggesting big stuff happens to keep us guessing until the show’s two-hour return three months from now. In recent episodes we learned the little sister was stuck in a room with other sickly youngsters and Hal Holbrook can make his wrinkles disappear. Also, Simon now seems to have human blood and Sophia encouraged someone to bullet her leg. NBC says of tonight’s episode, titled “Everything Will Change”:
President Martinez confronts the traitor in his administration, only to be met with threats of exposing the cover-up of Avias Air 514. Even after testing the loyalty of Isabel and Thomas, Sophia still suspects their subterfuge, so she sends Simon on a fact-finding mission. Her suspicions are confirmed when Thomas unveils a shocking new plan. Meanwhile, on the hunt for Samantha, Sean and Leila battle the mercenaries sent by Dempsey.
This is the 10th episode. NBC has ordered 22 for its first season. Though “The Event” has fallen to “Chuck’s” level, it’s still doing a lot better than “Chase” and “The Apprentice”:

How it compares to other NBC series: 18-49 finals (prior weeks in parentheses; repeats in gray): 8.8 (8.1) (7.4) (7.3) (9.8) (7.4) (6.7) (8.0) (7.3) (9.2) (9.6) Sunday Football 3.8 (3.6) (3.8) (4.0) (3.4) (3.8) (3.5) (3.7) (4.4) (1.2) (----) The Office 2.6 (2.6) (2.7) (2.7) (2.3) (2.6) (2.5) (2.8) (3.6) (----) (----) Outsourced 2.3 (2.5) (2.4) (2.4) (2.4) (2.6) (2.6) (2.5) (2.7) (2.9) (----) Biggest Loser 2.2 (2.4) (2.4) (----) (2.2) (3.1) (2.1) (2.6) (2.6) (----) (----) 30 Rock 2.1 (2.0) (2.2) (1.3) (2.7) (2.3) (2.6) (2.8) (3.2) (----) (1.8) Law & Order SVU 1.9 (2.0) (1.9) (2.4) (1.9) (2.2) (1.8) (1.9) (2.2) (----) (----) Community 1.9 (1.7) (1.9) (1.2) (2.4) (1.9) (2.4) (3.2) (----) (----) (----) Law & Order LA 1.9 (1.8) (2.1) (----) (2.0) (1.9) (2.0) (2.1) (2.0) (2.5) (2.7) Parenthood 1.7 (1.8) (----) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) (1.9) (1.9) (2.0) (2.0) (----) Chuck 1.7 (1.7) (1.7) (----) (2.0) (2.2) (2.2) (2.4) (2.9) (3.6) (----) The Event 1.6 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Dateline (We) 1.4 (1.2) (1.2) (----) (1.3) (1.6) (1.5) (1.7) (2.1) (2.3) (----) Chase 1.2 (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (----) The Apprentice 1.2 (1.4) (1.3) (1.3) (1.0) (1.2) (1.6) (1.3) (1.6) (1.4) (1.2) Dateline (Fr) 0.7 (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (0.9) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) School Pride ---- (0.6) (0.4) (----) (0.5) (0.6) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) (0.9) (2.3) Outlaw

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  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:52 a.m. CST

    gave up a few weeks ago

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:53 a.m. CST

    this is not Lost

    by FrodoFraggins

    Lost got weak over time, but it never was as dreadfully boring as The Event. Maybe I'll get caught up over the x-mas break and give it another chance.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:27 a.m. CST

    The Event just can't figure out what it is...

    by elgato73

    Is it a Lost clone, an X-Files clone, a Fringe clone, or something else? And what the fuck is the event they said was going to play a major part in the series? Seems like no one even knows anymore or never did in the first place.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    THE EVENT is following a kitchen sink approach

    by onezeroone

    Throw everything into the mix and then see how it goes. Of course, they got the basic plot laid out, but even that seems to be a patchwork of other TV shows.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:16 a.m. CST

    This would be more thrilling if

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    The main leader of the aliens wasn't a woman who reeks of soccer mom.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Lost sucked ass after Season 3...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...they just managed to confuse the audience with the "off the island" and "time jump" plots in S4 and S5 but by Season 6, the jig was up.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    I'm still watching and I don't know why.

    by Shermdawg

    I don't care about a single character on the show. <br><br> At least Heroes, with all of the problems it had....and let's be honest, it had a fuck ton, it at least managed to give us characters (and a cast) we somewhat cared about. The Event has no one. We need Ritter and girlfriend written out ASAP and a real star that can carry this shit pushed to the forefront. <br><br> I wonder if Criminal Intent left a bad taste in Goldblum's mouth for television work? He'd be great in something like this, and certainly would make it more watchable.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    I Still Just Want to Talk About The Guy Who...

    by Crow3711

    Literally fell off the side of a building into frame, and then got up and shot Sean in the back. Possibly the funniest, weirdest thing I've ever seen on a television show. Who the fuck was the director of that episode that thought that was a good idea? Didn't anybody ever say, "hey, buddy....this looks fucking ridiculous. just have him walk on like a normal person." I've never seen someone stage a sequence in such a ridiculous way before. Someone needs to go back to film school, because that was hilariously pathetic.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Main problem for me...

    by Executor

    It's not that Ritter and his girlfriend are bad as the above poster stated...to me it's just that they're disconnected from the show. <p>We need to see SOON why all the bad guys are risking EVERYTHING to stop this one guy and his girlfriend. (and it better be a good explanation too.) If he's the "hero" of the show, he needs to be integrated into the forefront of the action...not be clueless and perpetually on the lam. <p>Personally though, I think this arc wasn't well thought out -- it was the grabber and the hook at the beginning of the show, but now it's the weakest part and peripheral to the high stakes of the aliens vs. president story line.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Crow3711....lol yeah....

    by Executor

    ...that was a bad sequence...but what was even more ridiculous to me was that the two of them would stop in the middle of the street and kiss and chat less than a half block from where a dozen people were trying to kill them 30 seconds ago!! Lazy writing all the way around.<p>But then again, like Flashforward, this whole show is turning into writing of convenience for plots sake and fake tension, not what anyone would really do.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Tonight’s "penultimate" episode???????????

    by Redhead_Redemption

    So that means that tonights episode is the second last of the fall, not the last?<P>Was that a goof or is this actually the second last event for the fall?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 6:59 a.m. CST

    At Least Flashforward Was Actually Going Somewhere Tho

    by Crow3711

    They were just really fucking up in how they got there. But in my opinion, the last few episodes of Flashforward that aired were actually halfway damned decent. It was a hell of a lot better than V, or The Event, for that matter. The Event just has no idea where its going, what it wants to be, or why any of its characters should matter to us. They started off with this massive, epic story (of which we still dont know what its even about really) without building character, slowly, over the course of an entire season, the way lost did. If you go back and watch S1, its just character stuff, almost every episode, with a few intriguing blips of mystery and intrigue thrown in here and there to keep thngs moving. But they took their sweet time getting there. The Event wants to ignore character and tells its stupid story, while at the same telling individual stories that are supposed to somehow illicit emotion in the process. They do their character building and emotional payoff from that all within twenty minutes of eachother. It's pathetic.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    "Big" stuff will not happen. And I can tell you why

    by V'Shael

    Because they won't move the bloody plot forward, that's why.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    They still never explained how Sean

    by V'Shael

    figured out the plane was going to kill the President, or how he got a gun on board the flight.<br /><br />In all the running about, no one has even brought up that he MUST have had some idea about something, or some other source of information.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    We can drive there in 12 hours.

    by V'Shael

    You have a bullet wound in you, and are wanted by the Feds for murder, but plot expediency demands we get there uneventfully.<br /><br />If the plot demanded it, the first time we stopped for gas, your mugshot would appear on the in-store television while you were paying for the gas.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Does anyone watch this show anymore?

    by rbatty024

    I caught the first three episode and was unimpressed. I would love for a new Lost/Twin Peak style mystery to watch, but this show is not it. Too bad.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    He seemed to recover from the gunshot pretty fast

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Hell, his Girlfriend even jammed a rod into his bone marrow, yet he walked perfectly fine the next episode, wouldn't his leg at least kind of be sore?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    too much like 24

    by Seth Cohen

    not enough like lost...

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Love this show. It's really good

    by Russman

    and I don't know why anyone doesn't enjoy it. Your complaints are just week and pathetic.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    House is also gone for a few months

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Last weeks episode was the last of 2010 and the show doesn't return until Jan 17th..why was there no Talkback about the House Hiatus?<P>Well I suppose that frees up my Monday nights, House and event where the only things I watched on mondays, what to do with a free night for the next few weeks?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    The problem is that most people aren't watching it in the proper

    by Richard Cranium

    The proper way to watch it is with a couple of snarky friends so you can give it a bit of the MST treatment and revel in how stupid and ridiculous it is. Our favorite running joke (besides the constant 5 years ago flashbacks) is the utter incompetence of the Secret Service on the show. Hours after an attempt on the Vice Presidents wife, Hal Holbrook's Black Ops group is threatening and strongarming the Veep's wife, who is apparently entirely unguarded.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I keep expecting Jack Bauer and Sylar to show up

    by Redhead_Redemption

    I'm a fan of the event, but It just feels like 24 and Heroes had a baby and that baby didn't know how to do anything besides act like it's parents

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Didn't know House was gone...

    by V'Shael

    I was just enjoying Amber Tamblyns addition to the group. It looks like she still needs to fuck some baby fat from her cheeks though.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    3 months?

    by spidercoz

    Will anyone even remember this show in 3 months? Seriously, 9 eps in and still barely anything has happened.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    is this still on?

    by v3d

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    agreed V'Shael

    by Redhead_Redemption

    I love her addition to the show, I still do miss Olivia wilde and I hope she's returning when House comes back in january

  • No kidding. They "secure" the floor to his doctor's office for the VP's appointment, but fail to notice the OTHER door that leads out of the office, to an apparently unsecured hallway leading to an elevator (or stairwell) not being guarded by a single agent. All this leads directly to the labyrinth of a basement with direct street access that completely circumvents any "protection" put down by the Secret Service.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Pretty sure I have it all figured out

    by SithMenace

    The "event" is an alien invasion, the Inostranka detainees are from an oppressed future where mankind is enslaved and have come back to try and prevent their future, and the Hal Holbrook character is the leader of the undercover alien organization that's paving the way for the invasion. Sort of a Syndicate that may or may not be working with a faction of the government. In fact from what I can tell the main conspiracy is very similar to the X-Files.<p>The only thing I'm not sure about is whether or not any of the present day humans are even aware that there's an event coming. I would say no, unless there's a faction working with the Holbrook syndicate at his level.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    That said, this show is losing me fast

    by SithMenace

    I just can't stay interested. I don't really like any of the characters, and lazy writing like the idiotic secret service mentioned above just pulls me right out of the show.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    So happy I deleted this from my DVR

    by Cheif Brody

    4 episodes in w/o watching it. Once the words "aliens" started getting thrown around...and "plot holes the size of the Grand Canyon" in these talkbacks...I pulled the trigger and i'm not looking back. <p> I got enough to keep up with with TWO Olivia Dunhams and 2 Separate Universes on "Fringe". My "post-LOST & 24" needs are being met just fine over on FOX. <p> Except now Fringe is in the Friday Night Dead Slot. <p> I can't win.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST

    @Chief Brody - They actually stole Fringe plot line

    by V'Shael

    With the stealing liquids from children to rejuvenate old fogey bit. I'm sure it's co-incidence, but the timing was odd.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    This show also needs to explain

    by Redhead_Redemption

    How the fuck DB sweeny got away, he was shot and beingheld captive and then boom in the next eopisode he's on his cell phone in some office building. Inless that was a flashback and i missed it, it makes no sense at all

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    "They still never explained how Sean figured out

    by jim

    "... the plane was going to kill the President" <p>There's a huge gap there. I think the most recent past event we saw was Sean running from the ship's security. He obviously figured a lot out (or was told a whole bunch of stuff) between getting off the ship and deciding to board the plane. Maybe they will get to this sometime but I kind of think they won't. Unless there's some massive reveal regarding this part of Sean's story they are saving for later (like Sean being one of the aliens or whatever) I have to think they won't. They either forgot to fill in that self-inflicted plot hole, or just couldn't be bothered. Perhaps the writers, upon being asked this for the umpteenth time, will pull a Tim Kring and answer with "No, it's passed, we leapfrogged it. Are we really going to revisit that at this point. We have enough to deal with. Oh, and one more thing, you're all dipshits". Contempt for your audience, treating them like morons, is never a good thing.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    SithMenace, I like your theory but it doesn't track

    by jim

    with what the Inostrankans have said. So far all they've talked about is "getting home". However, maybe they came back to get something that will allow them to defeat their alien overlords in the future (their present). They have what they came for and are now working on returning from when they came. That could work.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Seriously, why does this shoe even HAVE a talkback?

    by AshokForgiven

    Look, a lot of guys argue about Boardwalk Empire, Dexter, The Walking Dead, and Fringe. Rank 'em how you want 'em, they are the top 4 shows on TV. But I think everyone can agree that The Event just flat out sucks.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    How can they write Dexter out of his current predicament?

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    I'm thinking that they're going to have to kill off Quin, Robocop, Lumen, AND Debra!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I forgot, Event is more deserving of a talkback than Dexter

    by Keeper Of Chimps

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I gave up on this after episode 2

    by theGoldbergV

    no idea where it was going, but it didn't do ANYTHING to make me want to persist with it. That said, Crow's explanation of that slapstick attempted murder scene makes me want to see it. Do you know what episode it was in? Might try to catch it on its UK TV airing... <P><P>As for LOST meets 24, does that mean it makes no sense AND is monumentally stupid?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Big Jim

    by SithMenace

    That works. It seems pretty clear that they have a mission of some sort, but some of them are happier living there and don't want to return home. Sofia is the one that is striving for them to get back, because she's their general and has to keep them from going awol. It's possible their mission is complete, like you said, and now they need to go. I also think they landed in the wrong time period, and now 60 years later their mission is complete because they've equipped the humans with the resources necessary to fight the invasion, which should have been done in a few months had they landed in the present day instead of the 40's.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Redhead_Redemption

    by jtp8000

    I've been wondering about that DB Sweeney plot hole also. Agent whatsherface seems alive so he didn't escape from her but yeah, how the hell did he get out and get a cell phone to call Holbrook and act like he was not in custody. </P> The biggest plot hole though is from the first episcode. Ritter is running around saying his girlfriend is missing, his room has someone else in it and no one on the boat knows who he is. That just draws attention to them, not away. Why didn't assasin girl accidentally drown him on the scuba trip they took together?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Big Jim

    by D_T

    Hahaha, that reminded me of that Simpsons bit where Burns/Smithers went through all the complex security (ala Get Smart) doors, vaults, etc., and when they got the uber secret control room, it had a screen door partially hanging, swining open with the wind.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Alien Overlords, they came from the future...

    by D_T

    ...in the future isn't a bad theory, I'm thinking maybe the humans from the future have been altered (by the AOs) to have long life for a better slave race, and also tinkered with to prevent reproduction. <p> I think I'm behind an episode or two - programs sitting on the DRV for more than two weeks isn't a good sign we'll continue watching. <p> Dexter is awesome as always. What's with the aversion to a talkback for it? Seems well regarded critically, has a sizable fanbase[?]

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Just had to get in that "Chuck" dig, didn't ya Herc?

    by Cash907

    I see you failed to mention that The Ev3nt costs more then twice as much per episode to produce, again. Christ Herc, you are such a favorites-playing hack. Your "best new show of the season" sucks and is a ratings nightmare for NBC, deal with it and move on.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    One thing I can't figure out with my theory

    by SithMenace

    In the one episode Sofia said that if the government knew why they were really there, they'd all be dead already. If they're there for the good of mankind, which it really seems like they are, then I would think they would want to share that. That comment also supports the fact that they actually are there for a reason, and it wasn't just an accidental crash landing.<p>What would really pick this show up is an 80 years ago flashback for some of the Inostranka detainees. Start giving us some glimpses of what they left, and why some or most of them don't want to go back.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    D_T

    by SithMenace

    It makes sense that they might be hybrids, good call. In fact maybe the little girls are failed test subjects for the first hybrids, and it's having the opposite effect and aging them.<p>Unfortunately, if this does make it's full run, I don't think it's gonna make much sense in the end. They're what, only 9 episodes in and it's already full of gaping plot holes and lazy writing. Just wait until they have 4 seasons of mythology behind them.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Sweeny's character....

    by Gislef_crow

    ... as they said, he was being held in custody at FBI HQ. However, "they" (the mysterious "they" that seem to have infiltrated every facet of government, but can't stop John Ritter's much less talented son) swept the phones and made sure he could make an untraceable call to Dempsey.<p> The main thing about the show, and what reflects that they didn't originally intend to make it about aliens, is that the aliens ain't alien. They argue, they screw, they have mommy issues that cause them to break down sobbing when Mommy confronts them, and so on. This was presumably intended as some kind of fifth-column infiltration/sleeper script entirely, and then NBC asked Wauters to put in aliens, and he put in aliens. And a teleporting plane. And that's about it.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Sean was chasing his GF's father...

    by blhotz

    is it really that hard to explain. Think most of you completely skipped the "critical thinking" lesson in college.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Don't be a dick.

    by V'Shael

    Obviously he was chasing the father, but if you paid attention in the episode, he was begging the father through the door NOT to do this, etc... He clearly knew what was going on.<br /><br />There's a huge gap there. If you don't see it, that's your problem.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    The show has gone downhill in the last few episodes

    by Redhead_Redemption

    when the series started, the whole thing with the detainies and the vanishing plane were pretty awesome, but in the last few episodes, the show has become to reliant on convienient conspiracies and needless drama within the alien family.<P> I sense a heroes season 2 vibe ever since they let sophia go, hopefully the remander of the season gets the show back to it's roots

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Conan's total viewership last week...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...was 1.5 -- with 1.3 in the 18-49 age bracket. Meanwhile, Leno's ratings jumped last week. Leno is just a couple 100K from Conan in the "coveted age bracker" and about 6-7 Million higher overall. Why aren't we hearing about this on AICN?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    One season show

    by yubnubrocks

    is all it should be. I'm guessing they're humans but from way in the future (millions of years, which would explain their genetic differences, and there's something they need to "fix" to prevent the destruction of their time. Maybe they need a whale?)

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    This show is terrible.

    by Mono

    This show is horrible and does not deserve a talkback.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    herc...does nbc send over women and caishe?

    by brabon300

    cuz for the life of me, i cant figure out why you are pimping for this shite show<p>its ratings are lowwer than those that killed off heroes...yet nbc is so desperate that it has given it a full season?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    A lot better?

    by KoolerThanJesus

    .5 point on the Nielsen scale is not "a lot better" than Cuck. It is "better" but not "a lot better". Let me know when it's in the Office territory and then you can say it is "a lot better" in the ratings.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    So, Leno is has slightly higher ratings than a show on cable

    by Richard Cranium

    And people are actually using that to try to talk him up? Jesus.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    I like The Event, but in typical fashion it's cool to bash it

    by The Founder

    I don't see the beef some have with The Event. Yeah their were some issues on some episodes but for the most part it's quite enjoyable. I also know the haters comes here to bash for the no other reason then they deem it cool to smart and snarky comments to belittle shit when it doesn't deserve it.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Gave up a few weeks ago

    by the_juicy_box_of_megan_fox

    <p>"The Event" is terrible in every way. A good show lies within the premise, and the pilot showed some potential, but the execution has been garbage.</p> <p>However, it did introduce me to Taylor Cole, who plays Vicky. I would watch the show just for her, but the "she DOES have a heart -- she saved the baby!" plot point a few weeks ago ruined her character.</p> <p>If you think the ratings are bad now, just wait until "The Event" returns in three months.</p>

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I keep trying to enjoy this show, but...

    by SpyGuy

    ...there isn't a single character that really grabs you. All of them do very stupid things and most have the screen presence of stale, butterless toast. If this was a proper world, I'd be able to watch new episodes of HUMAN TARGET at 9 p.m. EST in between HOUSE and HAWAII FIVE-O, but it isn't so we get THE UNEVENT.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    How did a mexican become president anyways?

    by Redhead_Redemption

    does the event take place in the future where theve amended the constitution so that you don't have to be american born to serve as president? (a change they should make in real life)<P>just wondering how a mexican like blair underoos character was elected POTUS

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    They've said several times in the show. He was born in the U.S.

    by V'Shael

    His parents came over as refugees. (In a tyre? I don't know if they said.) But Martinez is American.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Question for those on the "humans from the future" bandwagon:

    by Executor

    If they are just humans from the future, why don't they age? And why is their DNA different?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    The only Thing Worse Than The Event...

    by Crow3711

    Are the people on here earnestly defending it. I watch it. Seen every episode. Don't plan on quitting either. I don't hate on it cause it's hip or the "cool" thing to do. It's objectively, a bad show. They fucked up. There are decent moments in every episode. Some of the plot is, at least, mildly interesting. But my god, most of it is laughably bad. And if you're on here earnestly defending it, it's ONLY because you watch it, and have the distinct inability to admit that something you spend time on isn't really that great. You lack the ability to objectively critique. The only thing dumber than The Event, truly, is you. There's nothing wrong with watching something while also admitting it has glaring flaws and isn't all that great. You're still allowed to enjoy it. I enjoy the event. Every week I enjoy it. But it's not good just by virtue of me watching it. The show is functionally retarded. Like a kid with Downs.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    THE EVENT...the bell tolls for thee

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST

    "Can only be streamed within the US" WHAT THE FUCK?!?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    what happened to free internet???

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Quite intriguing first few episodes...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Sadly, it quickly became a chore.<p>I thought young Ritter was important, he seemed to know something in the beginning. Now, he's just a doofus on the run.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I hate this show

    by lock67ca

    Not one original idea. Everything is stolen from other shows that did it better. Just like Prison Break, this is a one season show that will probably get stretched to even more, and lose any credibility it had after season one.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Dexter.....

    by OldDickLemon

    We can't get a Dexter talkback, but this pile of crap get's whored on a weekly basis. Did NBC slip you some free Alf bedsheets or something?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Can anyone who likes Boardwalk, Walking Dead & Dexter

    by MattmanReturns

    tell me if this is worth watching?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Mattman

    by Crow3711

    It isn't. Unless you like watching anything scifi or different on television just to see what stories people are telling and how. That's why I watch. Just to see what these people are making and if they have anything original or exciting up their sleeves. But if you're asking if it's worth it to catch up on 8 episodes or whatever of entirely mediocre and often laughably goofy television...no, it's not. It's not a good show. I enjoy watching it, but isn't good tv. Compared to Dexter and walking dead it's actually complete crap. So if you want to watch just to know for yourself about the event? Go for it. If youre looking for another tv show to actually care about and experience something creative and original? Don't bother. Honestly.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Crow3711

    by MattmanReturns

    Thanks man, I guess I'll pass on it and catch up on Fringe season 2 instead... been hearing good things about that. I tried to get into V... but it's way to soap opera-ish for me.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Executor

    by SithMenace

    Is that a Star Wars name btw? If so, cool. The theory is that they're either so far from the future they've evolved, the US healthcare system was fixed, or they're alien/human hybrids that were bred to work. But I'm sure any of these answers is way better than the actual answer.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    President Martinez and ethnicity

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    1) He is from Cuba not Mexico 2) Cuba has a black population, they are not all what we would term hispanic. While it is arguably unlikely such a background would become president in this day and age, it's not unlikely that a man like him would look like the actor who plays him.<p> Also, if actors can only play roles that were written for one ethnicity then loads of minority actors wouldn't have gotten jobs for parts that were originally conceived as for a white character. They are actors, they don't have to fit into the box. Although in this case it's not unbelievable that a Cuban would be black.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    "A colored Mayor? That'll be the day."

    by SithMenace

    "Mayor Goldie Wilson. I like the sound of that."

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Simon's Blood is not Human

    by GlyphGuy

    I know you said it now seems human, but anyone not paying close attention is going to be confused even more than the show would like them to be. Thomas switched his blood with that from a 'human'. By the way, this is my first post on AICN after being a reader for a while, good stuff here, enjoyable reading, thanks.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Seaboard Falling

    by GlyphGuy

    Is the Event an artificial earthquake created by the energy source required to get the Inostrankan's home? Maybe they can take me with them back to the future so I can watch the rest of what's to come on Fringe.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Dateline Ratings

    by kdoc13

    While I'm a little sad to see The Event's ratings dip to Chuck-like levels, it wasn't unexpected. I am happy to see that this show is kicking Dateline's ass, hopefuly NBC will cancel Dateline soon! Long live scripted TV.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Yes Mattman. Fringe is Time much Better Spent

    by Crow3711

    And as good as season two is, which is considerably better than S1, it's even more worthwhile when you know that the last few episodes of S2 lead into the complete fucking awesomeness that is S3. Season 3 of fringe is knocking it out of the park, IMO. They really took their time building up to what's happening in S3, and it's paying fucking dividends. You won't regret it. The S2 finale and S3 premiere are so god damned good. I promise.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Fringe is fantastic this year

    by SithMenace

    I'll be very upset if it gets canned.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    The President

    by lecter1914

    They have explicitly said on the show that he was born in the US to Cuban refugees...that being said, the political correctness of insisting on a minority president feels like pandering but I digress lol. Furthermore, I watched the first 4 episodes of the show and it seemed interesting. But there was a very specific point where I said "no, I will no longer watch this show." That was the point in which Young Ritter is in the back of the FBI car with the two agents and they are being stubborn about not going to investigate the plane and then he tells them he just wants to find his girlfriend and the female FBI agent looks at him with puppydog eyes. For some reason that just came off as so unrealistic to me that I couldnt go any further with the show.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Fringe is awesome this year

    by theGoldbergV

    real payoff for sticking with it through the rough patches of both previous seasons

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Crow

    by Cinemanimetal

    I've watched every episode of The Event too and I like it not because it's bad, but because it's good. So yeah, some people do like it. However I understand what you mean because I watch SNL and that show sometimes makes me want to cry its so bad, but there's usually something good. Still, some people, like me, do think The Event is actually good believe it or not.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Fringe is one of the best shows on TV.

    by AshokForgiven

    The Event is one of the best parodies of sci-fi on the air. At least, I really hope the show isn't trying to be serious.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    A disappointment

    by The McPoyle Clan

    The pilot had some intrigue, but the subsequent series couldn't live up to it. It might keep a cult audience following the hiatus, but even stronger shows have problems coming back after long layoffs.<p><p>If NBC's new regime actually puts together a half-decent development season, this will probably be one and done.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Cinemanimetal - it's truly hard to believe.

    by Crow3711

    I'm sorry. I don't even mean to be a sick. But...really? I don't want to get into the reasons why it seems impossible anyone can actually think it's a good show that they look forward to each week, because of course, its your opinion and you're allowed to like whatever you want. I don't mean to insult you, at all. Truly. But can you at least admit it has serious, serious problems with basic storytelling? The guy falling off the roof, shooting Sean in the back, Sean still beig able to beat him unconscious and steal a car. Teaching Leila to steal it. Did you notice how the doctor only stiched up the exit wound, but neglected the fact that the bullet him in the back? And he was laying on his back, In a dirty alley, bleeding out of said back? Did they even address the fact that there are two bullet holes? I mean Jesus Christ man, that doesn't make for a good episode of tv. And if you aren't able to make that criticism, and just defend it as "a show I really like" then you need to be a little more critical, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with demanding better from the people who get paid millions of dollars to make engaging entertainment. They fucked this show up. I maintain that. Their lousy attempts at characterization are so rushed and laughable I don't even know where to begin. Simon and his one true love from fifty years ago? We meet her, he leaves her, and he sees her again in the present all within twenty minutes of one another. That is pathetic storytelling. There is no emotion in that. <p> I'm going on a bit of a tangent here, and I apologize. Again, I don't mean to sleight you. I'm glad you like the show. So do I. I like it. But I also recognize that it's completely fucking retarded from episode to episode. And there's nothing wrong with admitting that. I'm not saying stop enjoying it, I just wonder if you're even aware of the shows preposterous developments in both story and character, or if you just blindly like it because...well, you like it.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    the accents are bothering me a bit

    by BadMrWonka

    I can accept a bunch of aliens of various ethnicities (maybe their world has hemispheres, similar diaspora in their history, etc.) and the english, well....maybe they just learned it super quick and they speak it for convenience. but last week there were like 4 different accents among the aliens. I mean, come on...<p> and if you are thinking these are people from the future, and that explains it, pay attention to the dialogue. "us and them" "their world, our world" I don't think humans (even centuries later) would talk about fellow humans that way. plus, if they're from far enough in the future that their genetic makeup has changed as dramatically as it has, why would simple accents remain? hell, why would distinct racial groups remain?<p> not to mention, if they are from the future, why would they not know human history on earth (they are surprised at certain lacks in our technology, which they speed along with no regard for altering a timeline.)<p> alternate dimension? maybe? maybe getting "back home" for them negates all the changes they've made in our world...of course, if that were the case, and none of this mattered. why not kill anyone you needed to? it won't matter, right?<p> honestly, I'm curious to see how this ends up just because I cannot fathom HOW they are going to get out of all of these logical corners.<p>anyone have any ideas?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I really don't need to post in this Talkback.

    by CatVutt

    Crow pretty much covered anything I would have added. I too am looking forward to tonight's completely fucking retarded episode of The Event.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    The problem with THE EVENT...

    by tailhook

    is that it hasn't properly grounded itself. Nobody knows where the fuck this shit is coming from. With Lost, its pretty clear it was a Stranded on an Island Show from the VERY FIRST EPISODE. So being grounded as an Island show they could then bring out the Wacky Tobaccy and have all sorts of crazy shit going on. But even having seen the show I can't tell you conclusively what it is. I do know it involves Aliens from another planet.. but what exactly their true intentions are? Who gives a fuck. They've also alluded to another faction of Aliens.. but what exactly their intention are? Who the fuck knows? You can set it up like ok.. these guys are stranded here.. and they're going to try to protect is from the big bad... GO. Or something. But wth do you tell anyone trying to get to watch this show? Ok.. it involves aliens and wacky stuff ensues? Fuck that. Just simply give a concrete premise you can build off of and go from there.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    "Cancer in the balls."

    by CatVutt

    "Sounds like it would be painful."

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    If an event happens and no one cares...

    by Yeti

    Can it still be called an event?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    It means I'm banging an Alien broad. Yay!

    by CatVutt

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Gave up on this show after 10 minutes

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Now NBC is taking plays out of their farm system playbook (SyFy). This show is doomed; and giving it the BSG hiatus treatment will not improve matters. The plug is not far from being pulled on this show.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Some things made sense today...

    by jazzylg

    All the girls being abducted were the offspring of alien parents. Somehow, their dna is being used to keep the old guy wrinkle free.That was a nice twist on the missile, as everyone thought it was a nuke. Yet, now they want to send a single home? That's confusing, unless they want to usher in an invasion. At least there were no lame flashbacks this episode.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I meant signal!

    by jazzylg

    Signal!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    So the big season mid-season finale is...

    by Gislef_crow

    They sent a signal. To someone. Somewhere. Why do they need the teleportation gate "key module" just to send a signal? Is the all-important key module now in orbit where no one can get it? What the hell was the point of last week's Thomas being reduced to a sobbing, crying whine-baby when this week he's back to evil planner again?<p> Okay, the revelation that one show star was an alien or something was halfway decent. Some of the dialogue previously doesn't make sense. Like Dempsey saying that Michael Buchanan stuck his nose in where he wasn't supposed to. Well, given what we saw tonight... duh. Not like he really had a choice.<p> Meanwhile, world's worst security at a psychiatric hospital cum secret experimental lab. Janitor props door open. And Sean can't bring himself to shoot someone, but he'll inject him with a dangerous drug. Yay, hero guy.

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    The Herp Derp security

    by Alientoast

    I could barely stand the episode tonight. The "sneaking" past the security guards was so laughably poor it almost struck me as a parody. "Gee whiz, was that someone talking and a door closing? Was that the sound of two people walking loudly on creeking floor boards 5 feet away from me? Was that the sound of an elevator dinging and a door closing right as I walk by? Nope, must be my imagination!!! La la la". Arrrrrrrrggggggg. And the girlfriend's reactions are so insipidly annoying. She can accept drugs that turn people into 90 year olds, or super conspiracies, but aliens are just crazy talk!

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Accepting aliens...

    by Gislef_crow

    And on the other hand, Sean can accept aliens, but oh my god! not a hospital keeping girls in the basement! It's like they deliberately take turns playing skeptical.<p> There's also several examples of "let's talk for the audience to build suspense." Like when Thomas tells Isabel that he hopes he can live with all the deaths they're going to cause. Trying to make you think they're talking about the missile, when in fact they're talking about... who knows what? Maybe an Event/V crossover? If they're not talking invasion and/or colonization, then their conversation doesn't make sense.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    And the first hospital scene...

    by Gislef_crow

    What the hell? The nurse doesn't ask for any ID. She doesn't even get Leila's name (so she doesn't realize that Crazy Carolyn calling her Sara is a mistake). So while Leila has a testicular cancer conversation with Crazy Carolyn, Sean goes exploring with the Magical Key Card and ABSOLUTELY FAILS TO FIND ANYTHING!! All they learn is that the secret facility is the lab: well, duh, clearly they weren't hiding it in the attic.<p> 5-10 minutes of the most pointless padding ever.<p> But at least we know how an elderly 10-year-old girl escaped this high-tech security facility. The only surprise is why all of the other girls just didn't walk out behind the custodian.<p> It's cute how Jason Ritter awkwardly holds his left arm against his side to try and convince us he had a near-fatal wound a couple of episodes ago.<p> Wow, they lose contact with one agent, and pull up stakes for an entire facility. Of course, if you're going to give that agent the Magical Key Card (tm), then it does make sense to move your entire facility if he disappears. But do a crappy job of burning files, please. You know, you can buy a shredder at Office Depot for $59.99. Or hey, use the furnace. Damned cheap uber-conspiracies.<p> "Thomas and his people played us perfectly." No, they didn't. They gave you plenty of warning, and (presumably) hoped you wouldn't get flyover permission by the Chinese. It's a relatively intelligent plan, but we're not talking master schemers here.<p> Okay, if Michael is an alien, they would have figured it out when they thoroughly examined him at the hospital. So he's not an alien. So why didn't he age? Is he part of Dempsey's organization? But if he needs regular doses of the "sweetener" then he should have started aging while he was in quarantine.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    What I'm curious about is

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    and this is probably yet another plot hole, but if the Pilot Father is an Alien and he's still in custody of the US Government and a few weeks ago the Government most likely took blood, etc from him and the rest of the crash survivors when they were dying to try to figure out from what. Wouldn't the Government Scientists have seen from his blood that the Pilot Father was an Alien and have informed the President about that? We should have found out that he was an Alien a month ago.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    I should have refreshed

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    looks like Gislef_crow beat me to the Pilot thought.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    glyphguy is right

    by brechtsky

    simons blood was obviously switched by thomas. Also, the girls dont look sickly to me, they look OLD ... the guy is stealing their youths to make himself young.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    So Clifton Collins phoned home for the invasion force??

    by zillabeast

    Kinda cool, actually. The trick is, can they follow through?

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    But Thomas can't want an invasion force...

    by Gislef_crow

    ...because he's with Isabel, and she's the faction that want the sleepers to settle into a normal life among Earthlings. And she's going along with Thomas' plan. Hard to do if your invasion force is wiping out the residents, eh?<p> I don't mind if we don't have all the puzzles pieces. But when the pieces contradict each other...

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST

    BrainDrain

    by tailhook

    HARDY HAR HAR. You seem to forget that the island mystery including fucking polar bears came into play IN THE FUCKING PILOT. This was puncuated by the final fucking line of the pilot. "Guys, WHERE ARE WE?". Seriously man.. stop drinking the Darlton Kool-Aid 'its about the characters' trial balloon. That shit didn't fly when they tried damage control over the finale and it doesn't fly now. You had people stranded on an island where weird shit was happening. That's Lost. How weird did the shit get? A HYDROGEN BOMB CAUSED A SPLIT IN REALITY WHICH CREATED A PERSONAL PURGATORY FOR THE CHARACTERS. YES, THEY WENT THERE.<p><p>Take any of those characters to another setting and remove the Weird Island Mysteries and the show doesn't last 3 fucking episodes.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    So... caught the 'fall finale'

    by tailhook

    And what a freaking yawner. I'm getting so tired of the ol... we got here too late trope. And.. when all is said and done, they've taken 10 episodes to really lay out jack and squat. Whats the overall premise? Is it an alien invasion show? Is it a political thriller fifth column type show? The sad truth is that more than likely not even the writers or creators at this point know and thats just a recipe for cancellation right there. If you can't lay out who you are and what you are trying to say, you have no business being on the air. Parts of this can be made up as you go along, but not the fucking premise. You have to be grounded or you'll just flop this way and that as you flush any remaining good will down the toilet. If this show was cancelled tomorrow it would be a testament to the stupidity at NBC. Cause i'm pretty sure there is actually a show and story there, if there were somebody willing and able to ground it in a premise and tell it. In a lot of ways this feels like the shitstorm that was season 2 of Heroes all over again.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Sarah Roemer is GOD AWFUL.

    by HoboCode

    Talk about the weakest of weakest links. She is not a good actress. It's embarassing and cringe-inducing to see her fuck up every scene. Nearly done with this show. These characters are dull as dirt. The Tber above ho said the "villain" exudes soccer mom was dead on. zzzzzzzzzz....

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    tailhook

    by Kaczmar1984

    Hydrogen bomb didn't do what you said it did. It had nothing to do with the purgatory. All it did was cause the Incident and move the characters across time to their original timeline. The purgatory was created by the characters so they could find each other after death and move on together. That is literally what Christian said in the series finale. Also, I wouldn't be so harsh on THE EVENT's creators. I don't think there's any evidence of them NOT having a premise laid out. I actually believe them when they say that they do know what the event is, who Sophia's people are and what they want...etc. I do agree that the show seems to have slowed down a bit and to drag the mystery aspect too much for its own good. Also last night's episode didn't feel big enough to warrant a 3-month wait:/ It's still an enjoyable show though...much better than FlashForward;)

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Argh

    by majortom25

    The more this show goes on the bigger the plot holes get. Come on With all the satellites the US has they did not see a huge missle silo? The US I think has the capability to shoot down satellites if it really had to (they dont right now do to space junk).

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Fucking Google Maps could have found a silo....

    by V'Shael

    The US gov has amazing tech at its disposal, even in orbit.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

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  • Nov. 30, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    It did exactly what I said it did...

    by tailhook

    They made that quite clear. Apparently you need another rewatch of the show Kaczmar. The whole point of Jack tossing the bomb down the Hatch in the 5th season finale was to create a scenario in which Flight 815 did not crash. As Juliet SAID per Miles in the 6th season premiere 'it worked'. Just not in the way they were expecting. Make no mistake, it was made clear that the bomb going off created the Alter-verse/Purgatory or whatever you want to call that 'world' where the Losties could find each other after they died. The bomb was the key to doing that complete with flash to white screen when it went off and then a fade in from White into the Alterverse/Purgatory on the 6th season premiere.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    seriously

    by Kaczmar1984

    Trust me man, if there's anyone who doesn't need a LOST rewatch it's me. This shit is to me what Star Wars and Star Trek are to all those guys lining up for days outside of a movie theatre. That was not made clear, LOST was actually in the habit of making things not clear. The way they opened 6th season was to make people think that they're watching alternate universe scenarios when in fact we were watching the afterlife that had nothing to do with the bomb...well, except Juliet who died as a result of the whole bomb idea. Everything that Juliet was saying was just a brief flash of the afterlife that she got right before death. "We should get coffee sometime...we could go Dutch" and also notice that when Sawyer unplugs the vending machine, the candy drops and she says "It worked". Can't you see it? They made it look like the bomb worked when in fact she was talking about a piece of candy. The afterlife isn't created when something as big as a hydrogen bomb exploding happens. The afterlife is created when you DIE! I have no clue where you got the idea that the bomb created the afterlife from. Seriously.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    People, watch Terriers!!!!!!

    by AshokForgiven

    Terriers is seriously one of the best new shows of 2010. It's by Shawn Ryan of The Shield fame and its CRIMINALLY underrated. I really don't get how The Event has a TB and Terriers doesn't.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Ashok -- amen.

    by brechtsky

    Furthermore terriers needs all the support it can get ( and more importantly, deserves it)

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Sarah Roemer IS terrible

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    She has this totally vacant, wide-eyed expression in every scene, and can't "sell" the fact that she's desperate to find her missing sister in the slightest. If you're gonna dangle this carrot in front of the audience, make us CARE about the sister, or Roemer's quest to find her. Roemer is gorgeous, but she's a shit actress.<BR><BR>As for the series on a whole...ehhhhh. It's not completely bad, but it's like they threw every series with an "arc" from the last decade into a blender and cherry-picked all of the most annoying elements of each. You have the time-tripping from Lost, the endless running around, finding you JUST missed something, and finding a tny clue to send you running somewhere else from 24, the "detainee" shit from The 4400 (an AWESOME show that was unfairly overlooked and cancelled too soon)...the show it watchable without being especially engrossing or emotionally engaging. Damn it, Nikita is the only newtwork show this season that's really engaged me so far, and the likelihood it'll see a second season is pretty slim.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Fringe is another show that we really need to support

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    If we want 5 - 6 seasons like I have heard that the creators have planned out then we really need to make sure to watch it live and get as many others to do the same.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST

    absolute problems, but still fun mostly

    by the__natural74

    As Crow3711 and many others have pointed out, this show does have a long list of plot problems. However, I've had fun watching it and even laughing when something retarded happens. I'm not invested, but I do enjoy the intrigue and action.<br><br> Having said that, the last 2 episodes have been on the boring side. So those plot issues become far more problematic when you're not being entertained!<br><br> But the biggest problem has to be networks continuing to take long ass breaks, and calling an episode a "fall finale"! Haven't they seen the negative effects such breaks take on popular shows? WHY would a network STILL do this? If your creative follows a mythology, it's best to keep it going for the entire season week after week. That's why cable shows have passed network programs in popularity, and because they're often shorter seasons (also resulting in tighter and more effective stories), we're invested and come back each subsequent season. With all the challenges networks have maintaining an audience in 2010, you'd think they would at least learn from their mistakes.<br><br> And for those large parts of the continent (and viewing public) that face cold winters, when is there a better time to possibly get our attention and keep us in front of our TV's? No doubt NBC will promote the crap out of The Event when it returns...but why risk viewers losing interest or finding something else to do?

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    if you have a theory for this show...

    by TheBaxter

    then you're already putting more thought into this show than the writers are.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    The Event is a bad show, but I watch it

    by coosawatchie

    anyway. Honestly, it's just a stupid show I watch while doing about three other things at the same time. Very bad acting (here's looking at you, Clifton Collins). Lazy writing (and you, "fall off the roof" guy). But the sci-fi hook and Hal Holbrook are enough to keep me tuned in.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    "Cancer in the Balls"

    by GlyphGuy

    That line was the best part of the fall finale....that, and the commercial for Law and Order: LA about their Tiger Woods episode this Wednesday. I was about to fly past it on the DVR and thought there's no way they are doing that....to NBC's credit: "Yeah, we're going there!"

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    More Misleading Headlines

    by GlyphGuy

    Where the hell is the source of the headline for this episode? The episode never mentioned the seaboard falling, I think it only mentioned that the nuke would reach the western seaboard.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    GlyphGuy

    by SithMenace

    That's either Herc trying to look like he's in the know or drum up interest in his favorite show ever. Happens all the time.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    The more they try with new shows like this..

    by kobain

    ...the more I miss Invasion. Canceling that show after the superb season 1 cliffhanger was just criminal.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ‘The Entire Western Seaboard Is Falling!!’

    by jim

    Maybe it was in the preview (I can't watch Hulu so I can only guess). However, I don't recall hearing it on the show so don't know why Hercules used it (or what it refers to). <p>Does this mean Leila's father is an ageless alien? Was her mother too? Are there no photos of this guy from when she was little; no wedding photos? Hasn't she ever noticed he looks exactly the same today as he did 20+ years earlier? Now, had they found a file on Sean's supposedly dead parents, with photos going back to the '40's, and photos of them alive today, that would have been a lot more intriguing.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Owen

    by The Alienist

    The Event had "bad show" written into its DNA. Just the pace, the style of acting...compare it to Lost or Walking Dead.Or even Fringe. In a truly good show, the writing is somewhat slower, character as opposed to plot based (except for the worst Lost episodes). Event? Heroes? V? That show on ABC last season? You can just feel its badness, even if it turns out to be an okay episode. Some people can make good TV and some people can't. And that is over emphasized when dealing with genre TV.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    They need to bring back that female FBI agent

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Angela? The one Sean was with for a while. She was pretty good.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Why was Thomas' woman

    by SithMenace

    walking with a cane and a limp in one scene, and then 10 minutes later, no cane and no limp? It's like Sean's magically disappearing gunshot wound 8 hours after he was shot. These are the kinds of things that kill a show.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    I thought she had shot herself in the right leg

    by jim

    but she walked with the cane on her left side.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Nothing says formal alien business meeting like....

    by GlyphGuy

    ...a tea party with yellow smoke.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Big Jim, I think you're right

    by SithMenace

    I never even noticed that. If they make multiple mistakes on a gunshot wound in two consecutive episodes, there's no hope that this show will ever wrap things up without major holes. If it even makes it past it's first season.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Major Plot Holes

    by GlyphGuy

    Yeah, I thought something looked odd with Isabelle and the cane, but I just couldn't rewind to check things out. Also, how poor a job was it of burning the evidence at the hospital? I mean, did they just throw smoke bombs and firecrackers on the files and think that would do it? These people went to extensive lengths to cover up the biggest conspiracy in the history of Earth. They build an age reversal/forwarding facility underneath a mental health hospital. Not only is it not soundproof or heavily guarded, but they just leave evidence lying around like it was garbage on the curb waiting to get picked up in the morning.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Noise from Satellite Transmission

    by GlyphGuy

    Was it just residual interference from sending what we should probably imagine is a very strong signal out into space? You would think they would not want to alert anyone they were sending out a signal. But then again, they did create the shadow company with all of the directors names of that from the detainees. The show is certainly enjoyable on a number of levels deeper than I'm sure was truly intended. Unintentional comedy at its best.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    SPOILER: I know what the event is....

    by lostboytexas

    its a bunch of SHIT!

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    What I really want to know is...

    by Kirbymanly

    At 20-something years old, how the fuck did Leila not notice that her father never aged?

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    "Cancer in the Balls" was the only time I've laughed during The

    by zillabeast

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Cancer in the balls

    by HoboCode

    Yeah that made me laugh out loud for the first time. It shocked me. That's what this show needs, actually, a sense of humor. Hell it might even endear us to the characters. The humor was a huge reason I stayed on board with Lost.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah that was pretty funny.

    by room23storeblogspotcom

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Dumbest show in a long time. But Isabelle is fucking HOT.

    by V'Shael

    I recognised her as Dahlia Hassan from 24, where she could make a fucking Burqua look sexy, but since this isn't a show where she's likely to dress sexy or let the girls out, it's not exactly a reason to tune in every week.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST

    This show.....

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    ......has so many and such massive logic plot Holes that Swiss Cheese should sue for copyright infringement. <p> ........or at least residuals. <p> <p> characters who conviently show up out of nowhere to help the main characters and then just as conveniently disappear into thin air never to be heard from again (that woman reporter and her hacker friend, the lady FBI agent etc, etc, etc). The main character couple who seem to have magical powers of healing (and stupidity) as well as a bottomless well of credit card credit (......and stupidity). Along with the ability to drive vast distances in no time at all. <p> And of course, the ubiquitous super advanced yet super-stupid Aliens/humans from the future/whatever the hell they are, who can teleport an entire plane, and/or half a building, as well as "killing" and reviving all the passengers therein, not to mention launching a trans-galactic communications satellite, but yet somehow cannot figure out who to get one of their own out of a jail cell with iron bars for a good 40 plus years. <p> Swiss Cheese would be set for life if they sued. <p> I realize that it's really written for the dumb unwashed masses and it's a lame Lost wannabe, but NBC should really reaaaaly stop hiring Liberal Arts Language Lit majors to write for them their Sci-Fi wannabe crap like this and that Flashfoward tripe last year.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 6:29 a.m. CST

    And you know what the really stupid thing is?

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    It's that NBC actually passed on 'The Walking Dead', just so they could greenlight this over-produced pap. <p> And now the Walking Dead has more viewers than NBC could ever dream of getting while they try mulling whether to give this thing a second Season whereas Walking dead is a lock for a 13 episode second Season and beyond. <p> But it's a good thing because I absolutely shudder to think what the stooopid suits at NBC would have done to Walking Dead to make it more "family viewing" friendly.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    How About The Dad Who Was Shot In The Leg Ten Minutes Before

    by Crow3711

    From like 4 feet away. In the kneecap. And then inexplicably runs up to them in the wheat field, with only the slightest hint of a limp, and then runs off full speed. Ridiculous. Talk about not taking your show seriously. Whoever directed these episodes is a fucking moron. First the guy falling off the building into frame, and now blatantly ignoring gunshots that, while in a different episode, chronologically happened about 10 minutes ago. That was really unbelievable. Just another reason why The Event....is hilarious crap.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Quick question: Is The Event as funny as Flashforward?

    by theGoldbergV

    Because if it is, I may have to give it another chance. You guys make it sound hilarious. <P><P>Surely nothing can be as retarded as Flashforward's "sniper dots all over my face even though I'm standing on a bridge" scene. That was a particular highlight, as was the double triple quadruple agent who switch allegiances every other episode

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    @theGoldbergV - No, it's not *that* funny.

    by V'Shael

    It's the sort of hilarious that with 12 hours of hindsight, you can probably come up with a couple of funny insults about it. The guys at Rifftrax/MST3K could probably make you giggle using this as source material. <br /><br />Or maybe if you sparked up a bowl, you could laugh at the absurdity of it all during transmission.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    theGoldbergV - yes it is Funny.

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    If by funny you mean unintentionally funny trying to take itself too seriously and making dimwitted mistakes instead, that is. <p> It's freaking hilarious. <p> But I would suggest a beer or some 'shrooms if you've got them, while watching it otherwise the stupidity will just annoy you.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Cheers guys

    by theGoldbergV

    Flashforward was best 'enjoyed' by smoking a bowl beforehand or during, it was only then that Agent Forehead FBI and Surpemely Fine Babysitter became compelling characters. I may adopt a similar tactic with The Event, problem was in the 1 1/2 episdes I saw, the characters were just dull rather than hilarious like FF's Angry Army Dad

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Kai_Mah'gra

    by GlyphGuy

    Carrie Weaver actually said during a recent episode that they all stayed in the Inostrankan facility to protect the others that were living free. So I believe the could have gotten out had they not needed to stay there while the others worked on getting them ready to go home.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    FlashForward

    by GlyphGuy

    ...was great and didn't deserve to be canceled. I watched avidly and don't remember any major plot holes. The characters could act. They had the big "Event" in the pilot and another one in the finale. What more can you ask for? Yes, the strings of time based on peoples choices may have become too much. Unfortunately, it was canceled before any full on craziness could happen.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Hold up...

    by GlyphGuy

    Sean from the Event is the Doctor from FlashForward. I find both very annoying, their characters are pretty much interchangeable. I really didn't care if he got to find that asian girl from his FlashForward, didn't drive the story for me. Everything else I found pretty cool.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Ive not found any logic issues with the show.

    by pax256

    Its a genre drama with good guys and bad guys so yes there will be timings that give one or the other an edge in a situation. You see that in almost all sci fi. But what is seen as bad scripts is really just classic misdirection and the desire to not feed every little detail onscreen as to what is going on. Like wording out reasons for every little thing. Smart scripts dont force feed you explanations for every little thing. A classic exmaple of this is the movies The Apartment. The european version leaves tons of things unsaid. But if you pay attention you understand whats going on. The US version of the same movie worded everything out and killed any great flair and style of the original. It was all explained to you so you didnt have to think or interpret any of it. The Event is playing on modern day ideas of other humans. They could be or might not be 'aliens'. The dieas of hidden history stories run a fairly wide gamut. With large skull boskhop human sub species being behind the alien phenom. Or ancient lost civilizations having run to the stars long before we ever came along like the bhagavad gita hints at. I think its obvious that they arent from another time. The satellite was point to the stars or obviously to another world... Maybe they made use of that modern Nibiru myth where the sun has a dark brown dwarf companion... The near immortal super humans could be escaped slaves to an old super civilization or simply be survivors of that civilization that was struggling to survive around that weak brown dwarf... The survivors seem to have ancient maternal structure that history hints existed before well know historical patriarchal structures. Thats a big giveaway to the idea they are a lost civilization and not aliens. This show does tons of misdirection. Having 'normal' humans call them aliens is just another one of those imo. But is that the case then think highly structured class systems like in India as the background for some of the reasons why they end up in the 20th century... They were trying to escape a situation in their vimana...

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Pax256 - Satellite

    by GlyphGuy

    It's a stretch, but here's my thought on the satellite, if they are not extra-terrestrials phoning home...if they are from the future or a different dimension, perhaps they travel to space and then travel between time or dimensions? This would be a great idea in the Fringe worlds too, as to not destroy people, places, or things on Earth when creating the path between the worlds.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    damn, this show is stupid

    by MrBurrrns

    as people already mentioned, the show is full of plot holes. I'll just add two more: what about the infected passengers? hey writers, care to explain why there was obviously NO investigation whatsoever on who did that? there were fucking helicopters that came, would't the government kinda see with their super-duper satellites where they came from?? or the vice president, threatening the president with releasing information that the president HIMSELF was about to release in the first episode? this show is just insulting...

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Glyphguy

    by pax256

    Maybe but seems the holes they make in space time are temporary at best and no holes are made here when the sat opens up... but he did steal the device so maybe the sat needs it to com through space-time. I still think its all earth or solar system bound tho... no aliens... so if they are talking to the past or future (the bit about their world not being viable could mean its circa 10 000 bc with all the violent climate changes and even a suspected comet crashing over north america at the time). I really dont think the story will use major elements of other series like dimensional travel in Fringe. They do seem intent on making just a hole tho even on earth just big enough for a plane load or 2 of them to warp out. The warp in Florida was harmless. Still wonder about that satellite... even if its sending into time and space the fact its sending out means a space issue. Its another planet or earth in another time AND place. I think its obvious they are sending a message out to tell their kind to come here. Heres a resolution i think they will do near end of the show or at a major plotpoint. There planet is not viable but they cant live here because we are already here (maybe they also number in the multiple billions). Therefore they push their genetic engineering further to make it possible for them to live on their homeworld or future or past earth. They turn themselves into the well known but very human looking alien grays. The big eyes made necessary because the brown dwarf their planet orbits around has so little light... I hope its not a time travel story. Warp holes make plenty of sense over space travel alone.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    This show could right itself ... but...

    by Frietag

    The actors are half well-cast and half horribly-cast, but they try their best. Most episodes have at least one good scene in it -- not good in context, heavens no, but the sort of scene where, if you put a highlight package together of the entire season, you could string enough good moments together to convince someone who's never seen the show that it's worth watching. <br/><br/>Most bad shows are just wall-to-wall bad, from the teaser to the end credits (hello, "90210"). The fact that THE EVENT isn't as bad as that makes it better than most shows. But what could be fainter praise than that? <br/><br/>The only chance to "fix" THE EVENT would be to basically reboot it, kind of the way COUGAR TOWN did -- by taking the parts that work (there are a few) and building the rest of the show around them. All the pre-existing stuff would have to be "retconned" or just glossed over (Er, there were these mass hallucinations! Bleed-through from a parallel universe where other stuff happened!) LOST proved that no matter how ridiculous or unworkable the plot's contradictions became, if you made the characters interesting enough, you can still pull some really nice emotional moments out of what looks like crap. It didn't always work even in LOST (and not just in the later seasons), but it worked enough to make it woth watching.<br/><br/>It could be done. You might have to change out the show-runner, but DEXTER has proved that's possible (they're on their third show-runner, which has to be some kind of record). So THE EVENT could right itself. <br/><br/>It could be done. But it won't be. We all know it. Unfortunately.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Mrburrrns

    by pax256

    Your take is a good example of seeing plotholes where there are none. Ive never heard of sats tracking helicopters. Plus who says the choppers didnt warp in and out themselves. The president not releasing info has given him a problem probably related to his campaign for transparency. Tho probably not a major one as it is not resolved and the president didnt express any major concern over it. He probably just needs to think it over which means releasing the info after all in some politically viable way. The vice had a weak ace and he probably knows it. That storyline isnt played out. Wanting investigations described in the show for every major event in the show would drag the storytelling down.to a crawl. Its obivous bvarious gov agencies are trying to investigate and keep a lid on it all at this point we dont need to see we can imagine its happening and is not interesting or essential to driving the drama or major stories.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    pax256 are you a writer on the show?

    by MrBurrrns

    you can't be that naive... you are just making excuses for an awful, awful show. just look at this talkback. you are the only one who does not see the problems of this show... what other shows do you watch? flashforward and glee?

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Quick Answer Goldberg

    by Crow3711

    Funnier. Considerably funnier. Nothing is better than getting high and watching the event, and I can we were on the exact same page about flashforward (I loved how bad that show was) so I know you'll enjoy the event. By the 3rd or 4th episode, it is entirely laughable for 90% of every episode. I fucking love it. I know others already answered, and you might not return. But yes. It's even funnier. The sheer number of blatant plot inconsistencies in every single episode is incredible. It's honestly like watching a show made by people who just stopped caring. It's fantastic.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Yes, pax256 is definitely a writer on that show....

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    .....either that or an utter fool. But I don't see a fool working that cerebrally hard overtime to try and come up with ridiculous reasons to cover up for the show's ludicrous plotholes and logical inconsistencies. <p> So he's probably a writer or a producer of that show. <p> Incidentally pax256, it's WORMholes not warp holes. There's no such thing as "warp holes" which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Unless you meant warp "field" which would make even less sense in this convoluted mess of a sci-fi series wannabe nonsense (although I wouldn't put it past them to try and and jam it in somehow - I guess if worm-fields show up in a future episode, then we'll really know for sure that pax256 really is a writer.)

  • Oh no it has to be some kind of character assassination... well not really as I think being called a shows writer is pretty damn good compliment. I wish I was a genre writer. Theres tons of good stories to be told but there are also tons of good storytellers and few get the nod for a major show. Im french-canadian btw and a bit stoned and did indeed screw up the term good for you to notice it now how about undoing my simple explanation for the 2 things I pointed out as not actually being logic holes. Tell me whats the biggest 'plothole' in the story and Ill show you its not a plothole. Ive seen the entire series. It has no plotholes that Ive seen. The best stories are the ones that don't force feed you every little morsel or prechewed and predigested bit of story into your gullet. The Event is one of those shows. You yanks are just too addicted to exposition.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    The "Non" Event....

    by blackflowerX

    Utterly pointless dog shite. And pax256 I'm not a "Yank...addicted to exposition". Just someone wanting to be entertained with out falling in to a coma.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST

    What entertains me

    by pax256

    Is what keeps me guessing and thinking about what is going on. And then totally fooling me into a handful of guesses that end up partially or totally wrong. The Event does that. Maybe they use a bit too much misdirection in their scripts for some tastes but other than that its got me guessing as to what variation on the modern mythical alien\secret civilization themes its really hinting at.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Some plot holes, pax256? Okay, tell me this...

    by V'Shael

    Why does such a powerful and wide-ranging conspiracy, not shell out 60 bucks for a large paper shredder? Why are the not-really-burned documents on the floor covered with soot, but the ones underneath clean enough to read easily? <br /><br />There's literally dozens more, but I'll settle for that, for now.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    V'Shael, I can answer that

    by jim

    Powerful and wide-ranging conspiracies operate on efficiency, and taking the time to shred file cabinets full of documents is too time consuming. Easier and quicker for them to simply dump it all on the floor and light it on fire. However, being a powerful and wide-ranging conspiracy they have access to things like flame-retardant paper. So, while those burning the files probably doused it in gasoline, they forgot that the files wouldn't really burn. They were no doubt a bit stressed with all the stuff they had to do to close the place down on such short notice and move out, and were suffering from "Quick Evac Brain". As a result, only those files on the top of the pile actually burned, leaving those underneath a bit scorched but otherwise A-OK.<p>Or maybe the dudes responsible for security, etc. for the powerful and wide-ranging conspiracy are ex-Secret Service agents. After all, as we have seen on The Event, the Secret Service only hires complete freakin' morons. Doing such a piss-poor job of destroying the files is consistent with the piss-poor jobs done by the Secret Service on this show. If everyone acts like an idiot, is someone doing something stupid really a plot hole or simply to be expected?

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Oh, wait, did you want a serious answer?

    by jim

    In that case, never-mind.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    The private corporate conspiracy

    by pax256

    Has been fucking it up since the beginning. Hal Holbrook's obviously some billionaire bigwig wanting immortality has probably not been in the business of screwing over big gov and looking to grab the mystery of genetic immortality illegally his whole life. So he hires blackwater style fuckups who fuck up. Anybody follow that organizations shit over the last 8 years? Or the Bush administration for that matter? They were in a rush to get the kids out and fucked up the trashing the docus. They probably didnt figure on having to get a shredder. Why? Because people who do crimes great and small generally dont expect to get caught. They feel even safer if a few years go by and they operate safely such as in this hospital basement. Not exactly hard to understand. Shredding TAKES a lot of time even with big machines. Small fires can do same in a minute or 2 what can take hours for that many files... man you guys are gonna kill another good show over nothing just like you killed Rubicon and Caprica.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I should actually say

    by pax256

    Small fires would be *expected* to take a few minutes and self feed once set. But very likely they never burned stacks of files before and expected they only needed to set a small fire and the files themselves would feed the fire that would destroy them. Chalk it up to simple ignorance on the part of goons that some files would survive or the fire easily peter out. Which it could easily have done even before the top files are burned up. Ive burned papers in a barrel before (clearing out all my junior and high school papers) and even they tended to survive if they were stacked closely together... no special fire resistant qualities needed.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    pax256, other than complete and total incompetence

    by jim

    how do you justify the Secret Service "securing" the floor for the VP's doctor appointment but failing to notice the exam room has another door? <p>Yes, this is the VP's regular means of meeting Hal Holbrook and he's probably pulled this disappearing act several times. However, when the Secret Service burst into the room they are surprised he's gone and, seemingly, notice that other door for the first time. They aren't in on it. Their leaving the VP an unguarded path from the doctor's office to the basement is unintentional.

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Maybe the SS is infiltrated\corrupted.

    by pax256

    Oh wait we already know that they are infiltrated by the aliens. Maybe they are infiltrated by Holbrook's organization as well thus intentional negligence? Heck he got to the vice and his family. You might say if they are such boobs vs civvies how could they be so good against the SS and the gov? Maybe Holbrook's billionnaire is using the smartest and best assets he has for upending the gov but used sloppy goons to deal with civvies he thinks would be pushovers. Classic case of underestimation of characters we all expect to be weak and putting most of his best eggs on the gov side to get to and keep a hold on the vice and maybe others... That would have to include the ability for Holbrook to get to the vice on occasion for personal meets. This is classic stuff man I dont see whats so hard about this.

  • Dec. 3, 2010, 4:31 a.m. CST

    pax256 you are just ridiculous...

    by MrBurrrns

    I actually believe now that you are not a writer on that show, because you put way more thoughts into it than any of the actual writers. But I do know now who you really are. You are Hercules. :)

  • Dec. 4, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Maybe pax256, but you're just guessing

    by jim

    I don't need every little detail filled in for me; I don't need to have my hand held as I go from plot point A to plot point B lest I get lost along the way. However, when something happens, something integral to the plot, that makes no sense, that causes me to wonder what just happened, and it doesn't get explained (granted, not yet at least) it does strike me as a blatant plot hole. When one has to resort to wild speculation in order to bridge this glaring gap it concerns me that the writers are not putting the effort into the show that we, as viewers, have come to expect from this type of show. When viewers are seemingly spending more time and effort to fill in plot holes than the writers did, it's just bad writing. <p>I don't hate the show, I don't even dislike it. I think it has potential and it upsets me to see that potential squandered.