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Just spoke with Joe Kosinski, director of TRON LEGACY... about that, BLACK HOLE & OBLIVION
Hey folks, Harry here and I just had a nice little phone call with Joseph Kosinski. He's 36 years old, which essentially means... He's a geek like me. Well, more functional, obviously more talented... but - we could geek out and talk about 30 or 40 films that came out through the late seventies & eighties that completely warped our fragile lil minds. But for the purpose of this conversation, we were talking about TRON. Joe didn't see TRON like I did... 70mm at the AMERICANA theater here in Austin. He said he saw it the first time on a ratty VHS tape. Could have been something taped off cable, or it could have been that oversized TRON jewel case... he didn't specify, but he did talk about how the design of the TRON universe captured him. That it was wholly unlike anything he'd ever seen before. When I first got him on the phone, we decided to chat about the gigantic TRON circus that has taken over the Pop-Culture world via the awesome might of Disney's marketing world. Reskinning whole areas of DISNEYLAND... TRON Pop-Up stores... restaurants... He brought up the TRON SLEEPING BAGS. Ok, so I just spent about 30 minutes trying to find images of the TRON Sleeping Bags - I'm a bit defeated. AMAZON doesn't have them... they have HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of other products. The most annoying of which is a Glow in the Dark LIFE SIZE Standee of a Recognizer... which when I clicked on it, I discovered that it is not actually LIFE SIZE like the one at COMIC CON. Sigh. Joe and I discusssed the notion of taking something that almost always was a micro-segment of Geek Culture - and making it mainstream. Something that they've managed to accomplish. How can I say that? Well, as of just a week or so ago, I'm not sure I could say that. In fact, I wondered if women would be interested in the slightest. I was relatively sure that no matter how much money that Disney's marketing leviathan hurled... I just couldn't see it catching on. The design had been tweaked, signing Daft Punk aboard did a whole lot to make TRON cool. But attending a midnight screening of HARRY POTTER & THE DEATHLY HALLOWS and watching the audience scream enthusiastically and euphorically at the TRON LEGACY Trailer... that was a good sign. Especially since that audience was about 80% female. Because I haven't seen the film yet, Joe and I didn't talk specifics about the story, I frankly don't want to know yet. Instead I found myself chatting with him regarding BLACK HOLE & OBLIVION... two rather happy titles. Right now, William Monahan is writing on OBLIVION, which we should take as a very good sign. OBLIVION started out life as an incredible looking graphic novel from RADICAL... and is being turned into an ambitious 70's aesthetic science fiction film... And right now what excites Joe about directing it, is that it will mainly be an in-camera movie. Meaning, what he's shooting is what we see. There was a relief to his voice as he contemplated that. There is an ever slight exhaustion he has when he speaks about the process of TRON LEGACY. He seems quite enthusiastic about the film, he is very much looking forward to seeing the film in IMAX 3D. But I don't get the idea that he's looking forward to mounting another production quite like this one. He's not sure if OBLIVION will be his next film, as he's also working on a remake of BLACK HOLE. The script on that one is being handled by Travis Beacham, who worked on the incredibly disappointing CLASH OF THE TITANS.... and whose spec, PACIFIC RIM is at Legendary and is totally not related in any way to GODZILLA. Now... if you get a chance to talk BLACK HOLE with Kosinski, he really gets excited. First off, there's the familiar that he would revisit. He loves the aesthetic of the Cygnus. Kosinski feels it is one of the most striking spaceship designs ever created, and I'm not about to argue with him about that. I'm actually a bit fascinated about a BLACK HOLE project, if only to find out what happened to the original Cygnus model after it hung out at the New York Museum of Modern Art in conjunction with the promotion of the film. Since then, it disappeared. The gothic chandelier in space was amazing to look at in theaters. Joe also loves Maximilian, and coped to the fact that the scary crimson robot gave him nightmares as a kid. And that Anthony Perkins' death also freaked him out. However, what really floats Joe's boat in regards to this project, is to delve in a very hard science manner, with BLACK HOLES. The warping of time and space around the phenomenon. The notion that a BLACK HOLE will seem dormant, then begin aggressively feeding again. We discussed the giant Gamma Bubbles spewing 15,000 light years out from the alleged Black Hole in the center of the Milky Way galaxy. BLACK HOLES truly remain one of the great mysteries of the universe for us earthlings, but the science of studying them has taken leaps since the late seventies when the original was developed. Certainly, the capacity for awesome visual effects work is there. When I mentioned that DISNEY had made a TRON-skinned VINCENT, Joe really kind of got excited & curious all at once at the notion of two of his fetishes being mixed like that. These pre-viewing chats with filmmakers, they are odd things. Kosinski strikes me a bit like Neil Blomkamp and Kerry Conran. They're filmmakers that fell in love with filmmaking through the notion of what film could show us. How anything was possible, but yet... when you really talk to these guys, they talk about the hardest part of the process having nothing to do with that world. Visual effects are about time & trial & error. It's about finding the characters, nailing the story and making those aspects come to life at the same level as the effects. I find myself hoping that Joe has nailed it. I think we would all rather enjoy that.
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I am planning on seeing it on the 22nd of December in IMAX, but I hope it does not disappoint
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Mori wrote about that at HitFix a while ago. (But I still don't know what the fuck PACIFIC RIM is about. I guess a giant monster.)
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WTF are you talking about, Harry?? I assume you meant the "clamshell" box.
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Wasn't the Pacific Rim/Godzilla thing denied, Harry? Was the denial just a crock, then?
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Nothing in the trailers makes me excited about this film. Its like a really detailed computer game that you can't play. Until the first reviews start creeping out (surely only two weeks to go till we get the first review?) I'm decidedly on the fence.
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If disney had any faith in this where's the blu-ray of the original? Disney wants to keep the stink of the original off this one...but the word on the street is already out. Tron Legacy is a colossal turkey......gobble gobble!
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Nov. 20, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST
if he loved it so much why does his look Mediocre as shit?
by awepittance
visually possibly the most uninteresting modern tron interoperation i can imagine.
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Love to hear it. Really. How would you kick it into the 21st Century but still have it be a Tron movie? Let's here it Thesaurus man
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Seriously, what is the point of this article? Aside from namedropping that Harry talked to this guy, what did we learn?
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Mr. Kosinski, don't do BLACK HOLE after TRON. You'll be typecast as the 'sci-fi remake guy' and we'll all be left waiting with bated breath for your version of SPACEHUNTER 3D: ADVENTURES IN THE FORBIDDEN ZONE.
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... and that's Harry's glowing review of this movie (no matter how bad it may be), complete with the usual 500-word preamble about how it (in this case, the original movie) had a magical transcendent effect on his childhood, and the new Tron movie took him on a magical mystery tour back to the salad days of elementary school, blah blah blah, with other assorted hyperbolic nonsense.<P>I'm looking forward to being correct about this.
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adam1214, I read this site to hear 'the word on the street' and i'm pretty sure that it's not already out on TRON LEGACY. You just making things up as you go along son.
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Nov. 20, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST
"one of the most striking spaceship designs ever created"
by Coordinate_System
<P>True. But impractical. It needs some redesigning to bring into the realm of the plausible.</P> <P>"delve in a very hard science manner, with BLACK HOLES"</P> <P>Good to see some thought devoted to the science in this science fiction film.</P> <P>"The script on that one is being handled by Travis Beacham"</P> <P>Hmmm....Well, I'll still probably go see it.</P>
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he made a complete POS movie.hehehe.i hope Kosinski's Tron doesnt have the same fate and have him vanished afterwards if it flops.
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I liked Sky Captain. I loved it, actually.
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..........or is it? It's seems nearly impossible to find a copy of TRON on DVD anywhere at the moment. Granted, I am not aware if it is coming out soon on blu-ray or regular dvd again. Just figured they would have been on top of this given most would either like to see re-view the first one OR, more likely, see it for the first time. Then again, Disney may be PURPOSELY burying that dated fucker in the hopes that most will just show up for the new ride regardless of any knowledge of the past.
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...that needs a remake. It came out the same year as Alien and looks 10 years older. If not more? <br></br> <br></br> If the remake sticks to and properly implements the harder sci-fi elements that were in the original it could be something special. The problem with the original is that it's kinda schizoid and fails to become more than the sum of it's parts. Some of the performances come across as hammy by today's standards and the action is horribly static. I'm curious, bring it on! (Obviously Tron Legacy needs to be at least competent) <br></br><br></br> After Space Hunter, give him Ice Pirates!.. <br></br>"I've got this Idea. It's like pirates in space, and it's called Space Pirates!"
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and appreciated what Conran was attempting to do. But it was visually so static it felt more like a slideshow than an adventure film. Hell, Ken Burns gets more action into a frame. <br></br><br></br> Today's motion tracking software means he could probably do the whole thing handheld or at least some dolly moves.
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He's a geek? <p><p>So every 36 year old man or any man in the 35-40 year old range is a geek? WTF kind of logic is that? Jesus, Harry.
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He actually misses Super-Hip.
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it's called Event Horizon.
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...and he wants to know where the DVD column is this week....
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Aaaaah... See what you did there. Would still like to see one with a consistent vision. <br></br> <br></br> BTW what'sthe budget for this? Have they given Kosinksi more than they've ever given Paul WS Anderson for a film?
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I am hoping Tron Legacy will be an entertaining and visually appealing mainstream movie, yet I am absolutely amazed that not a single person has pointed out yet that Harry mentioned seeing Deathly Hallows at a midnight screening (a 2 1/2 hour movie), and then he wrote his review for it and posted it on the website right away. After the Inception incident this past summer, I'm surprised this is slipping by everyone. I suppose everyone has chosen to forgive and forget.
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...Loseinski can move on to something meaningful: the SATURN 5 remake. C'mon, ya know ya all want that...
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...how about falling asleep in Expendables....and still reviewing it...
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That's why I'm super-stoked about Tron Legacy, the Black Hole sequel, Power of the Dark Crystal, the Alien prequels, The Thing prequel, the Roger Rabbit sequel, and Legendary's Godzilla. Hell yeah!
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...harry wuz takin a leak
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Nov. 20, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
Hey, if you find an image of the TRON Sleeping Bags
by The Reluctant Austinite
please post it! Strangely, I've been Googling TRON SLEEPING BAG for weeks because I just assumed such a thing must be willed into existence. I've also been Googling TRON THROW BLANET and TRON PILLOW because I need glowing TRON stuff to get me through the winter. Seriously, in a totally geek way, the world of TRON is completely connected to the world of my dreams and I'd love to drift off to sleep surrounded by TRON stuff and listening to the Daft Punk score.
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exposition in Deathly Hallows? <br></br> Maybe there's more emotional depth? <br></br> I dunno, i'd rather eat my own intestines than watch a Potter film.
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...that sounds like a cool gimmick the SAW movies missed out on. I'm of the same mind, rather pour molten lead over me balls...family haven't long finished watching one of those damn things on the TV. Getting back to the topic though, if they absolutely have to remake the black hole they need to keep a-hold of John Barry's theme....that was about the only thing that I can really remember about that movie...
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A wise cracking black dude. Tyreese Gibson on speed-dial I'm sure.
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They should have Denzel take the Schell role. <br></br> <br></br> "So errrr.. Been hanging around this Black Hole a while huh?" <br></br> <br></br> "Yeah.. What of it?" <br></br> <br></br> "No! No! No meaning no meaning... <br></br> But.. er.. Is it.. uh. true about you guys and the... schlong thing?" <br></br> <br></br> "What?" <br></br> <br></br> "I. What? Me? No! I never said anything about overcompensating!"
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Uhm... going by people who go to midnight screenings is a pretty poor way to anticipate a broader audience reaction.
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Tron is a mess, and no amount of reshooting can help it. Why couldn't they have found someone who could tell a story to direct this film?
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Fact.
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You could probably show a scratchy black and white Steamboat Willie cartoon, a trailer for The English Patient and a PSA about parking courtesy and a first-screening midnight crowd would scream at them all.
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Paulie's Robot = coolest robot ever. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
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Midnight audiences are the people who buy Sio Bibble action figures. I wouldn't exactly say that Tron 2 has the female vote locked up just yet.
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...who has expressed excitement and anticipation at the news of Daniel Day-Lewis acting in Spielberg's Lincoln movie. It's truly amazing that there have been articles posted on the main page throughout the day today, yet there hasn't been a single article about this. I don't know....maybe we're wrong. Maybe this isn't news worthy. The AICN staff writers know what's truly important.
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I read about it at some Black Hole fan site (yes there are such things)... it was on display at Disneyland for a while, then there was some kind of damage and they junked the whole thing. I'd love to hear I am wrong, but I believe this info was factual. Here's hoping they give the remake a good treatment, though getting the writer of Clash leaves me kind of stunned and worried. What The Black Hole needs is BETTER writing than it had the first time. Someone who knows how to knock a story into shape and give us strong characters!
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Submit the news to AICN and they will get to it. This site is not an up to the second sort of news site nor a comprehensive one. It's about the stuff Harry and the writers like, and they post info if readers submit it. Perhaps you noticed that by now?
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Catlettuce is right. The site's free, and you already got your info elsewhere. Why complain?
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Let the assassination jokes commence!
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Ultra ElecTRONica review: Entire park has been "digitized". Look down and hexagonal grids are projected at your feet. Look up and beams of overhead lights form a park spanning grid. The most advanced projection system ever used covers the entire park with tron world with recognizers flying everywhere and light cycles cruising all over. And basically the entire park is a surround theater culminating in Flynn's arcade. Giant recognizer does everything it does in movie and beams spotlight on you and talks to you if you stand near it. Tron art direction is everywhere. Club from new movie with tron cage dancer chicks spinning disks and definitely take ecstasy. Flynn's Arcade has giant projected recognizers that cruise by in front of the sign rumbling the fucking building. Again- you will want to be on ecstasy. Interior of flynn's better than comic-con with perfect recreation of main flynn's arcade floor. They cheaped on neon recognizer and it's just one big neon sign with no animation like the movie. Its very expensive to do an animated neon sign like that and Disney figures you're lucky to have ever seen any of this shit so enjoy your non-animated neon recognizer you fat,picky,ass-wod of a nerd who is never going to get laid. Neon scenes from classic games like defender,scramble,pacman,asteroids. Home of Tron neon sign over Tron machine. Only 1 Space Paranoids machine(maybe there's only 1 in original film-more were at con). Neon signs all "fritz" out while you're playing and the Home of Tron sign goes nuts while ad for movie blares and sends chills with that badass daft punk trailer cue. Understand- it doesn't matter if the movie sucks- I got to visit the world of tron already and it only exists because of this new movie- this is the greatest advertisement for anything that I've ever seen. You cannot top Disney turning their entire park into an ad for a movie. The robotron machine is deliberately missing legs so it rocks all over the place when you grab the twin sticks. Dooon't stop beliieeevin is blaring and the thing is rocking all over. Drunk chicks are flooding in and they are playing arcade games all around you. It is something out of a nerd wet dream. You can play wii light cycles out front which looks like a must own. The cage dancers are awesome and the musical number is absolutely fucking incredible. The most advanced coke machine on earth is out in front of flynn's. The entire park goes quiet and you see the main digitize sequence that converts the park. You will not see a digitize sequence in the film so this is it. You'll have to wait till I youtube it or get your ass to disney. You will need to play the new game to get all the story as well(do not leave the experience up to the movie by itself, as it will undoubtably fail you.I hope the game doesn't suck and I end up never buying it). Oh and I got free tickets and didn't even have to drive so this was a hassle free thing but for a true fan I'd still say go for it. I think that covers most of it. If you use this review- call me UltraTron.
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I mean I am but I for sure thought this would go over peoples heads. But while watching Harry Potter, my theater was around 2/3 female and the trailer got a huge applause and cheers. The Green Lantern trailer got the guys cheering but I heard some skank go "Um, Reynolds is hot but no..." Fuck you bitch enjoy watching TMZ alone with your cats.
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FUCK YOU adam.
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I didn't get the TRON trailer with Harry Potter. I got Green Lantern (meh) and Green Hornet (appears to be a disservice to the character). Oh well. I have heard that Thor will be attached to TRON though. Booyah!
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I also saw trailers for The Eagle (looks skippable, Channing Tatum as an ancient Roman warrior....ummmm....whatever), Season of the Witch (Ick) and Yogi Bear (horrendous). Why didn't I get Tron? No fair!
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So Abe walks into Ford's Theater and BLAM!!! Damn that's funny.
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take everything he says like it's set in stone. Also I'd like to say a few words about being a geek. Basically you can't be a geek unless you're 30 something. Because you have no sequential understanding of pop culture as effected by the digital revolution. Without that huge paradigm shift you didn't have anything to wake you from your vegetable torpor. I remember every video game and the effects of every digital artifice introduced into the world after the inception of video games. I've seen it trickle down into all our media as it happened. I was there for everything cool that happened after the reverse engineered alien tech began to work it's way into our world. Bushnell sat on space wars for years after the poor shmo who invented it wandered off. He was playing it in the basement of m.i.t until he graduated(hoping nobody noticed the whole time- and they didn't because they were stupid and didn't know how to recognize un-fucking-believable genius shit like the world's first video game created from integrated circuits created from reverse engineered alien tech that astronauts like Armstrong say we got from friggin aliens). Bushnell exploited that program and created Atari the way dillinger stole Space Paranoids. Having grown up on a diet of media during the most amazing time in the history of mankind- I went on to invent technology you see in literally every digital offering purchasable. Today's nerds are lost, saturated by media they have no sequential reference or baromenter to measure-thus- bombarded into hating everything thrown at them by the maelstrom. Also the net is lacking shit loads of info from the ages. Countless microfilm files that I've poured over during many sleepless nights while masturbating.
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Ultratron's post needs to be engraved in stone and memorialized for all time. It could basically fit in 95% of all threads on the site.
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http://tinyurl.com/24jcn3u
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Good God, so I'm reading and reading and reading thinking "this is a long boring intro, even for Harry" and then I realize, "oh, no, this was the article." Can't we just have a transcript of the conversation? Wouldn't that have been 3000 times better?
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I was just reading the article myself and thinking, I'm sure there's something interesting there, I'm damned if I can decipher Harry's ramblings to work out what it is though.
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Harry, look - either or fascinated or you're not; you can't be "a bit fascinated", it's poor English - you're really just trying to say that you're "interested" by a Black Hole remake.
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Nov. 21, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST
THE BLACK HOLE looked like a toilet fluslhing with BLUE WATER
by JonChambers
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Nov. 21, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST
BLACK HOLE spaceship = Eifel Tower turned on its side!!!!!!!!
by JonChambers
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http://tinyurl.com/32fub9n
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well said, I always thought he was just despicable.
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I love that movie. I think I watch it about every two years still and love the design of it and its ambience. <BR><BR> Personally I don't want to see a remake of this film. Especially after watching Sunshine a few months ago. Seeing a bunch of youthful actors take the place of the senior crew would feel wrong. That and I still have a love for VINCENT and BOB. My brother and I really latched onto that pair and it seeing one die really messed with our heart strings. <BR><BR> Well, now I am all nostalgic again....
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Why do you use points of ellipses...when... a comma would work...just fine? And why does being 36 make someone a geek automatically? And after you watched HP7, you really sat down the next day and watched all of the HP movies again? Ever think about - oh, I don't know - MOVING AROUND A BIT!! For fuck's sake man. Were you on a treadmill at least while you were watching SIX movies that averaged 150 MINUTES EACH?! I... Ugh, just nevermind. And I'm with the rest of the people on here. Besides saying you talked to the director of the new TRON movie, what was the point of this article? At least you worked on a weekend I suppose. And one other thing. There is this little book out there called "The Elements of Style" by E. B. White. Check into it.
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It would be great if he could again play the role. He's still with us, so get cracking!
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http://www.starshipmodeler.com/other/js_cyg.htm Take a look at the note at the bottom. Sad
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Funnily enough Harry, you and I actually had a short email exchange about this when it happened. Granted you probably fire off 100 two sentence emails a day plus chats plus tweets, I'm just saying. Anyway, as I remember, Disney let the Cygnus model rot in outdoor storage for 25 years then loaded it onto a truck. When it got to the new storage location, Reinhart's baby had shattered beyond repair. Shame.
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Good reference url...I can't find the original story I saw. From what I saw, the model was exposed out in the open...someone had taken pictures prior to the accident and it was pretty fucked up already.
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Nov. 21, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST
LOVED THE BLACK HOLE; ROUGH MOVIE FOR 7 YEAR OLDS, THOUGH
by Darth Busey
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Nov. 21, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST
REINHARDT AND MAXIMILIAN IN HELL AT THE END FUCKED ME UP
by Darth Busey
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D23 offering. I have the nautilus though. I was so pissed they wouldn't let me take pictures of the real one that I bought the huge replica to spite them. Hey, wait a minute!..
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music in film history. Black hole is great and the bridge set is still one of the best control rooms ever designed. I love the Japanese company that makes robots in the black hole universe. They try to add a human face to soften the image of what is essentially a terminator.
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But.... <p> <p> How about a really good remaster of the original, clean it up, give it 5.1 or better and use todays tech to remove the very in your face wires from the scenes. <p> Now I'd buy that!
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Last message was about the black Hole...
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The Black Hole was pretty good - not the steaming turd you make it out to be. So shut your black (pie) hole.
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I realize The Black Hole had a whole list of problems... but... they did manage to inject a pretty cool vibe. Some great drama at times, unique set pieces and tech, and great music.
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when I was a kid, I think it's a pretty good candidate for a remake. I haven't seen the movie in years, but I know some who have watched it in the past few years, and they mostly say it has its moments (some good designs and atmosphere), but that largely the film isn't as successful as it should have been. I'm all for remaking flawed films that you can actually improve upon, rather than masterpieces (like The Wizard of Oz) that will likely still blow the remake out of the water.
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and this piece is why. Did this article say anything at all? Tron production is difficult. Ok, that's obvious. Kosinski is excited for The Black Hole. Also obvious. Anything else?
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They just painted him blue. I thought he'd have flourescent lights or something.
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The score is dark, haunting & beautiful. Still influences me to this day. They really need to go with a mysterious 2001 kind of vibe with this movie...
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I'm at a loss. All I can think of is the dog from Lost.
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We're getting a lot of buzz on the Internet. We got a great write-up in Film Threat Magazine www.filmthreat.com/reviews/27467. And now, we have a teaser trailer for it on our website www.againstthewallmovie.com. And if you go on Facebook, you can find our fan page with a link to access the short film itself. Please give us a shot, guys. We need your support. We made this film for you fans. I know you'll love it.
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was greenlit because the daughter of Disney's CEO told her dad she really liked the original. True story. It's going to be a horrible film, anybody that has watched the clips from it and thinks it is going to be a good film is out of their mind.
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Huey ,Dewey and Louie. Little bastards broke my heart when I saw Silent Running as a kid....
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Would love to see a GREAT remake, thank you.
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Harry said it was great and it was horrible. The crickets were already at the theater when that one came out! I really want Tron Legacy to be good, not the visuals, but with a solid story. Will we get that or will it be Phantom Menace or Matrix Reloaded all over again?
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otherwise, you need to hang it up and try a new field, man. That was so painful, I though I would have preferred taking it up the IO port from Sark red throbbing member.
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Nov. 21, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST
Still reeling from the news that Clash remake was 'written'
by quantize
really?
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He's 36 and that automatically makes him a geek? What in the fuck are you talking about Harry?
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and their energy will be divided by...i got nothing
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For some reason that was funny as fuck.
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No, it's a low-budget sci-fi short. We have not heard a review like yours yet. I'm curious to hear why you didn't like it.
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line from Triumph the Insult Comic Dog/Smigel.
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I was going to have a look at your film but it's not available in the UK. <br></br> <br></br> Now I'm annoyed... I hate that regional restriction shit.
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...a scientifically-plausible remake of The Black Hole, with all the scariness and creepiness and bat-shit-craziness of the original, but without the shitty robots (Captain STARR and his minions are the weak link of that movie) and better dialogue for Vincent and Bob.<p> I just hope he doesn't listen to the "Vincent and Bob suck" people and instead listens to the "Vincent and Bob are awesome" people, like me.<p> The big question: Will today's Disney allow them to have a completely bat-shit crazy ending, or will they be required to write and ending that a) doesn't offend anybody's religious beliefs or non-beliefs, and b) makes sense?<p> I really, really want a fucked up ending, with modern FX.<p> Can you imagine using CGI to visualize Hell, the angel, and Reinhardt merging with Maximillian?<p> Awesome sauce.<p> I'm also imagining an easter egg in the Hell scene where Homer Simpson is hidden in the background strapped into the donut-eating machine. Heh heh heh...
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Thanks for the heads-up. I will check with my distributor about this.
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be related with time-travel,since the general consensus associates the black holes with time-traveling.Which means that there will be a twist or revelation by the end of the movie,ie somehow the beginning of the film's story is connected with the story's ending like what they did in Crichton's Sphere movie.<br /> <p>or even better how about connecting the original film with the remake film with cameos from the old cast? some examples:<br /> <p>maybe the survivors from the original film after entering the black hole,they arrive in a new universe where scientists there are trying to make the same experiment to enter an alternate universe or maybe they time-travel in the future ie 50years after their adventure,and after exiting the black hole they find a futuristic space station near the event horizon where the scientists there are trying to repeat Schell's experiment.<br />
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god, watched this again the other day...it really is a rip-off piece of disney shit. They should save the money for a next-gen cg 3d micky mouse. Or Donald, that would be quacking.
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...at the end of this movie, the new crew pops out of the other side of the Black Hole/Worm Hole, and discover the derelict Probe Ship with three skeletons inside ... and a still-functional V.I.N.C.E.N.T.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST
The Black Hole is the PERFECT movie for a remake...
by WriteForTheEdit
Very interesting ideas, characters and art direction in the original, but ridiculously uneven in tone and loaded with jaw-dropping moments of retardedness. Exhibit A: the "beach ball" meteor bouncing down the length of the ship.
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the worst fucking thing I've ever been subjected to
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Nov. 22, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST
"Why do you use points of ellipses when a comma would work just
by buggerbugger
Harry uses ellipses to signify the places where he's struggling for breath in between typing words. Kinda like a guy trying to hold a conversation while jogging.
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no I didn't
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Captain S.T.A.R. and the other battle bots were trés shitty. Trés, trés shitty.
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...you keep badass Max. Everything else should be a clean slate. AND NO CUTESY-PIE "SLIM PICKENS" SHIT!
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That robot was some scary shit to me as a kid. That and the skinless Terminator chassis scared the Christ out of me.
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I can't remember much of it, but it was essentially mirror, mirror from Star Trek. I don't recall if anyone had a goatee though.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST
LORDOFLIGHT: I cannot really rebut an aesthetic preference...
by Royston Lodge
All I can do is post a link to the "shooting gallery" scene and let people decide for themselves:<p> http://tinyurl.com/y9sl9do<p> I think the soldier robots look terrible. But that's just me.
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All's I'm saying is treat them as if they were designed and programmed by engineers and not toy designers. Same goes for all other mechanical characters.<P>Except Max. Perfect as is.
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Nov. 22, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST
BrainDrain: We don't know how capable the Probe Ship is.
by Royston Lodge
For all we know, it's got a replicator that can provide all their food and water, and a holodeck to keep them moderately sane.<p> It's never really established what sort of equipment was on board the Probe Ship, is it?<p> I fully concede that I might be wrong on this point, but I don't remember any dialogue from the movie about it.<p> After all, the Palomino is a deep-space explorer, but it doesn't really look like much compared to the Cygnus.
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Yeah, for me, it's the eyes - big Disney-Bambi robot eyes. But this is why I think BH is so ripe for a kick-ass remake. You could easily design characters that would be recognizable as "Vincent" and "Bob" but make them look like truly functional, hovering, autonomous robots. I'm telling you, in the right hands, this goddamn film could be "2001: A Space Odyssey," "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea," and "Event Horizon" rolled up into a ball of mega-win.
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Unusually interesting film. Not great by any means, but lots of great things in it, not least the score and the set design. First hour of that movie is actually really good: a gothic horror in space, essentially. Only in the last reel (or two) does it fall to bits. <p> Killik, I can see where you're coming from re: Event Horizon being a remake or Black Hole, but it grabs from so many movies (not least Galaxy of Terror and Alien) that it just ends up as this weird mish-mash. And it doesn't really work for me. I know a lot of people have quite a bit of respect for that film, and it seems to divide audiences down the middle. I'm on the nay-saying side. Did nothing for me.
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I recall seeing a huge Cygnus model and Maxamillian hanging inside the first stop on the Disney/MGM Backlot tour in the mid-'90s with a copious amount of other Disney props.
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