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Harry feels that HARRY POTTER & THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1 is Harry's Favorite of the Series Thus Far!

I love the HARRY POTTER series of films. With each new episode, I get struck with a very real sense that the series will not only go down as one of the most successful franchises in Box Office history, not only the strongest young cast series of all time, but also... just flat out - one of the best franchises in film history. After my first viewing of HARRY POTTER & THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1, I felt instantly that this was the best of the series to date. Since that screening, Yoko & I have rewatched the whole series, and then went to the HARRY POTTER YULE BALL and Midnight Screening of HARRY POTTER & THE DEATHLY HALLOWS Part 1 at the Alamo Drafthouse on South Lamar... and yes, I still feel that HP&TDHP1 is the best thus far. I still have big gobs of love for AZKABAN, but the reality is... AZKABAN is the best of the HOGWARTS films... and breaking these characters out of Hogwarts has been long overdue. So much of the drama that takes place in Hogwarts has always felt like child abuse, just on the notion of... well... Ok. In the real world, if a kid tells an adult something, we often consider that the child made it up. So as a result, kids don't trust adults with things they know to be outlandish... but in the world of HARRY POTTER - where Memories can be stored and shared with others... How can there ever be a question about truth? Memory would be admissible as evidence. I mean. Why would Sirius Black even be a prisoner, all they'd have to do is search his memory, see what happened. It is there, isn't it? At the very least, there's always an elder wizard right around the corner to give them advice, help them on their way... or just bend the rules to their benefit. Give them a convenient cloak of invisibility - or a charm that turns back time. Or a really pimp broom. In THE DEATHLY HALLOWS Part 1, very quickly - we have our characters completely isolated from all adult contact. When they are with others... people die. They're on a quest that they barely understand, no longer under the watchful protection of anyone but themselves. They're hunting for a series of objects that Voldemort has divvied up his soul into - and they don't know what they are or where they are... they just know they exist and that "He who will not be mentioned" can't die, till they are all destroyed. And they only know of one, the one that Dumbledore and Harry tried to find and destroy, that turned out to be a fake in the last film. Not only do they not know where these horcruxes are, or what they are... but they don't know how to destroy them. SO... they're wandering around, rudderless... aggravated and picking at each other for not being more informed or useful. It tests the friendships and pulls on each of them in their own way. Taking them out of school, plunking them down in the wilderness gives an epic sweep to the film that is just not there in the previous installments. Instead we watch how these young, almost adults handle being alone. Clutching to radio broadcasts about who died today, who was captured today... the news of the day. With the bad guys now controlling the MINISTRY OF MAGIC - and a REWARD poster for the capture of HARRY POTTER... The kids have to put to use what they've learned to not only survive, but go on the attack... So basically... This is the RED DAWN of HARRY POTTER films - and well.... WOLVERINES!!! This film is also where Harry, Ron & Hermione say goodbye to Childhood. The Dursleys flee from the trouble that is Harry. Ron leaves his family behind to help Harry. And Hermione, she erases the very memory and record of her existence from not just her parents memory, but their physical records as well... then walks out of their lives. Possibly forever. There's not a single letter delivered by Owl in this film. There's no scrumptious wizardly snacks. This is about Hermione and her BAG OF TRICKS, that I feel she stole off of Felix... This is camping and protective spells. This is sitting around trying to figure stuff out with the slimmest of notions of what to go on. Meanwhile, characters are dying. Beloved ones. Yet... the balance of humor and tragedy is handled fairly and evenly. Throughout the film the excellenct casting of the elder characters & the younger shine. Throughout the film, there's a dread & a hopelessness to the story. Things seem extraordinarily bleak... but, Harry Potter is the chosen one - and if there's anything to prophecy, it's that they tend to come true in a world of magic. Here though... by the end of the film, you definitely feel... HARRY POTTER IS FUCKED. Seriously. That's where I'm at. Really. I mean. Harry doesn't even have his super wand anymore. He's running around with spares that he picked up from various goons. One of his last remaining super-magical friends... well, they're gone. Actually a couple of em... poof. Yeah, it's looking bad. But I know there's like a white dragon, a destroyed Hogwarts and a big last epic wizard battle to be had, at least according to that big Part 1 & Part 2 trailer that Warners put out - because those scenes aren't in this movie. And I don't want to know what happens next. I'm very nearly at the end of this cinematic saga - and I'm mainly spoiler free. That's incredibly fun. Because at this point, I'm full of theories... and these films are a discovery, each and every one. That said, that row of chatty cunts that made sexy whistles and comments everytime Potter had his shirt off. Seriously - you middle-aged Potter Porn readers - keep your mouth shut at the midnight premiere of the films. What the hell is wrong with you? SHUT THE FUCK UP! Sorry, got distracted there. Where were we? Harry Potter. Man, at one level this film feels like a jackpot on casting children into roles they'd play to adulthood... in real times. That are crazy insane fantasies. But amongst all the attention of Harry & his mates... Let's talk about Voldemort. Think about this series from the Dark Lord's perspective. First... you were dead. Sort of a pissed off memory that everyone knew was too fucking bad to stay dead. Then... He started growing out of the back of a teacher's head, under Dumbledore's very staff. Next thing we know, he's out at night drinking UNICORN BLOOD and gaining strength. Then, he comes all the way back to life... peak of physical strength... minus only a nose. I mean, this evil bastard has cheat death, born out of the top of one of his arch-enemy's beloved mentors' very skull, all the way to noseless bad muther... Now, everyone said he was bad, but this fucker is now heading the government, having mixed bloods and muggles put to death, or worse. His enemy, this fucking clueless virgin with a broken wand & no real hope, just waiting to fuck it all up. And you have the death star of wands and basically controlling the world. 4 years out from death. I mean. Jesus. What a rise to EVIL POWER! This bastard is just... slits for nostrils man. CREEPY! He absolutely looks like the George Washington of Evil. And I can't wait to see this bastard go down. So, um. Yeah. I really liked this latest Harry Potter movie. OH - and there is a CARTOON!!! And it is an awesome cartoon! Really. Right in the middle. And it totally works. RED DAWN did not have a cartoon. Is that why RED DAWN rules... or fails in comparison? Question that boggles my mind. Who could ever think they could similarly rule? This is really getting great. I've no idea where it is going, only that I'm going!

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  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST


    by KarlKolchak

    Just kidding. I'll be going to see this next week.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    These later films are devoid of wit and sparkle

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Half Blood Prince missed all the story elements from the book and was about as charming as a gorilla's armpit. <P> The books got darker sure, but they retained the charm and magic, the films have lost that entirely.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    DVD Column?

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    What's the dealio with it, boss?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:18 a.m. CST

    spot on, I bet

    by mpwhile

    Well said, Harry!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Harrys reviews are always worth a read.

    by Gabba-UK

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    As I was saying, Damn muscle memory hitting enter first...

    by Gabba-UK

    Harrys reviews are always worth a read. There's always a steam of consciousness vibe to them and he often goes off topic, quite often they have very little to do with the movie and more about what breakfast cereal he used to have as a kid etc etc. Glad he enjoyed it. Have you seriously not read any of the books yet? Have you kept to that promise you made 10 years ago to wait till all the movies came out to read them? If so, serious willpower you have there mate!!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:27 a.m. CST



    Not a word. I don't even own them yet.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Alfonso Cuaron's is still the best Potter

    by bongo123

    Why they never got him back i have no idea, his was a pefect blend of gritty realism & magical wonder that no one has been able to replicate since

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:32 a.m. CST

    "middle-aged Potter Porn readers" youve a fucking cheek mate

    by bongo123

    after some of the shite you come off with in your reviews...

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST



    You haven't read the books and you really like the series? That's commitment to film, especially as the books are way better than the films. I wonder if it will be worthwhile reading them when you know all of the main plot points, though.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST

    I thought it was pretty damn good.

    by Herewereyouwish

    Harry, no mention of the Deathly Hallows story scene?! That was some incredible animation and single handedly raised this movie above all the others in the series because of its inclusion.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Well in that case...

    by Gabba-UK

    While the films are very good, you're going to find them lacking compared to the books. Wish I good read them again for the first time. Rowling isn't the greatest writer in the world but she knows how to tell a good yarn in a way that kids can understand and adults still find engaging.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Critic proof, but

    by John_McClanes_Vest

    I always make time for a Harry review.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Time does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Harry do you have a little magic yourself? Perhaps some old pocket watch your great great grandfather bequeathed you.. with hidden powers to 'stop the world' while you and Yoko get up to madcap adventures?<p> I only ask out of jealousy. The dojo would love to be able to watch the new Harry Potter movie, then go back and watch the previous six Harry Potter movies, and then watch the new Harry Potter movie AGAIN.<p> Actually if I did have that magic pocket watch i'd probably just go round groping all the frozen female statue women...

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Hadn't thought of the memory-as-evidence thing.

    by Kevin Holsinger

    Good call, Harry.<P>As for the books, I haven't read all of them, but I like them better than the movies.<P>I HATED the first film because of the characters feeling more like caricatures than actual people, the sense that the heroes won at EVERYTHING, and the constant "ooh-ah"ing of the kids at all the magical stuff around them.<P>But the first book, like all the ones that followed it, was quite a pleasant read.<P>Oh, and if memory serves, Professor Trelawney was quite funny in whatever her first book was.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    The best Harry Potter film...

    by Horned One

    I have to say that this movie (at least part one) actually surpasses the book. Right from the opening, the scene with Hermione erasing her parents' memories of her (which is talked about in the book, but never shown) is emotionally very powerful. The streamlining of the story combined with superior acting has pushed the story way beyond the bounds of the book. I can only hope that part 2 does the same.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:32 a.m. CST



    I totally do that groping thing. They're warm still!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST

    J.K.Rowling is god

    by AxeEmAll

    When the twist to all the seven books only happen in the fourth to the last chapter, not only would we realize how wrong Harry Potter is about a lot of things, but it challenges us to reconsider our own assumptions about people and life in general as well.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Harry: you deliberately refused to read the 7th book?

    by AxeEmAll

    It takes much discipline to avoid reading the seventh book so as not to spoil your movie experience.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Memory does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Harry, ha!<p> Maybe the thing about Sirius's memory being able to prove him innocent can be explained by the corruption in the wizarding world - every book seems to have sort of shennanigans going on at the political and judicial level whether orchestrated by Voldemort's people or not. JK Rowling seems to have an anti-establishment thread going through all the books. So perhaps certain people wanted Sirius locked up.<p> Or maybe Rowling just invented that pensieve thing in a later book and forgot what the implications might be for Sirius's earlier 'innocent man' storyline.<p> Shame we never got to see 2 hours of Gary Oldman trying to break out of Azkaban. I love a good prison flick!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Oldman shanking other prisoners out in the yard with his broken wand. Or getting locked up in a cell with big Hagrid who wants to make him 'his bitch'.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST



    No, I have refused to read any of the Harry Potter books as to not contaminate the cinematic experience. Seriously.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:13 a.m. CST


    by mrbong

    i appreciate one should not feed or encourage trolls, but seriously, if the best you have got is "...does not exist in this dojo", why not fuck off?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by RupertG

    Harry, in the Half Blood Prince, Slughorn tampered with his memory. I guess that's why they cannot be used in court. Did you give any thought to Harry's mirror? Where did it come from?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Cuaron's Azkaban WAS the best Potter

    by thepentaveret

    Azkaban has always been my favorite, until the midnight showing of Hallows. Holy crap! What a film! Finally, a Potter that's well-paced (mostly). Love the darkness and the "real" feel of this one.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:40 a.m. CST

    eh, the potter series is a ripoff anyway...


    Harry- surely you've watched TROLL, right? where Noah Hathaway (atreyu from neverending story) his widowed dad (michael moriarty) and sis (girl from poltergeist), move into a new apartment house. He plays an ordinary,troubled boy named...wait for it...HARRY POTTER.<br> okay, let that soak in.<br> because then he meets a strange woman (june lockheart) who turns out to be a good witch, into herbs and botany, who has a strange little 'mandrake root'-like mushroom pet. long story short, she gives Harry potter a wand and teaches him how to defeat a troll who has come back bringing evil magic into the world, turning people into trolls and goblins. the troll is her ex husband. she also age regresses to a younger self (played by her lockheart daughter, who was pretty hot at the time). there are lots of harry-potterish moments in this B movie. Rowling FINALLY admitted she may have seen and 'accidentally' picked up many of the themes and things, and settled out of court with the original writer before he dropped the public bombshell. Granted, she definately added much to the bones of it, by swiping from other movies and books, but you can't deny that another kid named harry potter with undiscovered abilities getting a wand and learning magic from a good witch are well, more than coincedence.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Look, you can't think about it too deeply.

    by V'Shael

    It's a kids movie, and the plot, what little there is, does fall apart if you think about it too much.<br /><br />It's an entertaininy kids movie, but don't make more of it than it is.<br /><br />And yes, it's one of the most successful franchises. It's 8 fucking movies. It's one of the biggest franchises. What's bigger? Trek? James Bond?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    whenever I see an adult reading a Harry Potter book...

    by Righteous Brother

    I want to bash their brains in with a blunt instrument.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST

    mrbong, Cobra--Kai a troll?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm going to assume you're new around here, or maybe just a REALLY big Jaden Smith I'm going to let this one slide... <P> &thinsp;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;&zwj;<br>Respect the dojo.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    ..."I have refused to read any of the Harry Potter...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...books as to not contaminate the cinematic experience". That's like saying "I refuse to travel the world or visit any other countries as to not contaminate the Epcot Theme Park experience." <P> And I'm not even a big POTTER fan.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Saw a press show last monday

    by Sundaycall1

    Absolutely taken a back by how credible and absorbing this latest Potter was purely as a piece of cinema. Not pigeon-holed as a good fantasy, or tween movie or even a good Potter movie. Proper drama, suspense and peril... for grown-ups. Ballsy indeed. Its achievment against most of the other potter movies (only one I really enjoyed before now was the third) is a wonderful thing to behold. Im not a fanatic. I read the first four books ten years ago. Then had enough. The previous two movies I found forgettable and largely boring. This one however made me a Potter convert, and although the big moments and set pieces are impressive it truely is the small details that make Harry's final journey stand tall. Indepth character moments? Nuance?! (IN A POTTER MOVIE??)- Harry and Herm's little dance, Harry by the grave, Snape at the dinner, Voldemort's delicious "My lord???"... I could go on. Go see it. but it's truely not a kids series anymore, and I don't mean in the way that the last two "weren't for kids anymore", or Episode III wasn't for kids cuz the vacuous baddie that had no credibility as a character became Stumpy McBurnalot. The graphic scenes in the movie shock because everything seems to click, we are very invested, we very much care and they only work to sustain the tension and tone of a film that's the serious payoff now-adult potter fans must have been hoping for. P.s. is it wrong that I like Dobby now?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    ...but hey...

    by FlickaPoo each his own.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    The books are better.

    by jae683

    RighteousBrother, get over it. What's it to you that someone enjoys these books, or any other book for that matter?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Still ticked at Warner Bros for not bring John Williams back

    by seasider

    Alexandre Desplat is a good composer but for me it would've been a perfect way to wrap up the franchise if Williams returned with his earlier themes.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Does Desplat use Hedwig's Theme?

    by I AM ROCKO

    Not having Hedwig's theme at key moments in a HP film is like having a James Bond movie without the Monty Norman riff. Yes I am looking at you Hooper, you stupid fucking shit for brains "composer"-would have even been happy if they bought back Patrick Doyle- his iteration of Hedwig's Theme was great and Harry in Winter is an awesome cue...p.s WB should have arranged Chris Coloumbos storyboard, and direct the last scene of DH part 2...

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Harry's seen another HP movie...cue the hyperbole

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST

    So you are going to read the books right?

    by skycrapper

    Because there is a lot of character stuff that's just simply left out of the movies.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    glowing review - timing

    by filmcoyote

    Ah, a glowing review for the new Warner Bros film the same day Harry receives free goodies for the WB he loves so much he actual does a post to show how easily he can be bought. WB more than any must want to buy favour as they are theonly ones ever hurt (Batman & Robin) back when the site had kudos and relevance. Integrity? I'm sorry, what?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST

    The leads performances...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...were better in the first four movies- something more raw, real and more true to the books. Now they seem off- just superficial mirrors to their true characters in the books. Only Rickman, Smith and Coltrane really feel like they have come off the page. Harris was the same in the first two films- Gambon is a great actor- mis cast and his take on the character wrong.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Why Didn't U Tell Them To "SHUT THE FUCK UP"?

    by Graphix67

    Harry, didn't you have the grapes to tell them "Middle-aged Potter-porn readers" off yourself while you were actually there in the theatre instead of waiting until you got online to act and talk tough on the message-board???

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Memory as evidence

    by thepoohguy

    Would never work. As HBP showed us, memories can be altered, while the true memory lives on in the originator's head.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    This series has basically become the Star Wars for the younger s

    by terry1978

    Yeah, that's a big ass statement to make, and I have read some of the books, so I get the comparison to an extent. Do I agree fully? Nah. But is it close? Kinda.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I hope that rumor of Williams back for Pt 2 is true...

    by Phimseto

    ...because I don't care how good Desplat does, I want the series to have the right tonal closing, and that means bringing Williams in to do the finale.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Still sounds like they didn't fix the major problem with the boo

    by shutupfanboy

    The giant complaint besides being stuck in the woods for a few hundred pages is characters just die off screen. Its broken up into two parts, a five minute death scene won't have killed this thing. I am still on the fence about this one, probably Red Box like I did the last one which was awful. Harry, Prisoner sucked.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    In 3D?

    by DocVet

    This is funny: A DIY guide to converting Deathly Hallows into a 3D film:

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Flicka, thanks mate. Your ability to bold on demand makes you a powerful ally indeed!<p> mrbong is hiding under his parents bed right now and refusing to come out.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Offscreen death and camping...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    All take place. It was nicely made but didn't really achieve much; but the missteps that are there all belong to Rowling. At least they didn't use the "people randomly come close enough to the tent to be overheard and while there happen to discuss vital plot information at exactly the right time" device that Rowling used multiple times.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Fixing the book via movie

    by shutupfanboy

    The great hope is that the movie would fix these problems even with a cutaway for the deaths. The camping I heard was toned down some more which is good. I just view movies that come from books as a way to tell the story and maybe fix a problem in there. Like how Jurassic Park and Jaws were ok to terrible books, but Spielberg fix them to make them watchable or how LOTR cut the Tom Bombidell character.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Read that headline!

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Even Harry's headlines don't make grammatical sense anymore! Which Harry feeels that this is who's favourite? It's 18 words - proofread the fucker!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    When you read the books

    by carolinareader

    Harry I know this is a movie site but after all the HP movies come out and you do finally read the books will you post your opinion of them?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    The camping scenes are deathly dull

    by rainbowtrout1265

    They were a slog to get though in the book, and they are just as difficult to sit through in the movie. I can't see repeat business being that strong when the pacing is so slooooooooowwwwww in parts.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    "One of the best franchises in film history"

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Really? Really? Harry Potter is the Walmart of fantasy.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Awful series that has got worse. Sorry.

    by MaelFilms

    The films have never been anything other than the project of making the films of the books. They are devoid of threat, clarity and drive. "Yes, but you need to read the book" is an oft repeated mantra that holds no weight. These are meant to be the films. These are meant to be the adaptations of the books. But this series has no punctuation points. The lead actors (with the exception of Grint) CANNOT ACT. Take away Emma Watson's eyebrows and she would be emotionless. Radcliffe is too dull, too blank and only reacts when he has a line to respond to. And the boy wizard actually doing some wizardry might not go amiss, no? Yes, the 3rd film was easily the most successful creatively but all the films have been dogged by Rowling's books and her blatant interference, especially early on. There is no mystery to them and for four films now there has been no danger. We keep hearing Voldemort is gaining strength but we only get a little battle to mark Ralph Fiennes two and half days on set this year. If Jackson can condense and make Tolkein's work soar, you'd think Warners and David Hayman could have found some scribes to work some real magic. But no. We get an end of semester school play every 18 months with a budget and a cast of no equal but a strength of intent and acting that is beyond poor.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Star Wars for the stupid

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    I'm sick of all of the SW comparisons too. Thats like saying "Shark Boy and Lava Girl" is the Neverending Story for the new generation.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I will say that the film looked terrific

    by rainbowtrout1265

    Even the dreading camping scenes were shot perfectly. Make the camping section 1/3 of what it is now and the movie would have been better off for it. The "dancing" was not in the book and not needed here, either. But all this movie is is a set-up for part 2 and it fulfills that job OK. I just hope that the rumors of a not-action-filled DH2 are false. "Character moments" are fine, but the last half of Deathly Hallows is pretty much one long battle. More Alan Rickman and the battle for Hogwarts are all the movie needs.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    There will be more of this inane film-making.

    by MaelFilms

    Where is the equivalent of SOLO in carbonite? Where is the Muggle ethnic cleansing that should have seen Hermione removed and upped the narrative with echoes of Poland circa 1939? The worst thing of all is that the back story of these films is always more interesting than the foreground narrative, which is the biggest flaw of the books and one they could have sorted for the films, but that would have stepped on Dame JK's toes. What is worse - there will be more of these films in years to come. Mark my words... Rowling is not finished yet, so neither are the films.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Money wise it will be the most succesful

    by shutupfanboy

    It will beat Star Wars this weekend by having to go an extra film. I still don't know about this series. The first movie was good then got hampered by a weak finish. The second was a great buddy action film with a decent mystery. The third was a dull art house film. but all art house films are dull. The fourth, just too long and the scheme of things it never pays off with these new "allies" who never show up again also starting to get cliche about the dark arts teacher. Fifth was a good action piece as well as rebelling against the system. Sixth was putrid and now this one. As much as people hate on the prequels, I will take Revenge of the Sith over any of these films any day and twice on Sunday.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Where's that DVD Column, Harry? --I'm waiting.

    by JDanielP

    I'm looking forward to reading your brief review of the blu-ray EXTENDED SPECIAL EDITION of AVATAR.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST

    The Split Doesn't Work

    by vadakinX

    The headline says it all. This is half a movie. I know, I know, it's Part 1 but let me explain. I came out of the cinema 20 minutes ago so this is still fresh in my mind. When the film cut to black and the credits started to roll there was a collective groan from the audience. I suspect this will happen in many places. Not because we have to wait to see what happens but because there was a feeling of "Is this it?" <p> In fact this is one of the worst cliffhangers in movie history. Even worse than the Matrix Reloaded ending. It's just so anti-climactic. Sure, something happens that will affect fans and has some emotion but it felt like there was still an hour to go in the film and the projectionist skipped the final reels. <p> If you're going to split a movie up then each movie has to work on its own. The Empire Strikes Back was its own story. There was more to come and a lot to be resolved but it worked as a single film. The final shots with Leia and Luke looking at a star/galaxy and the rebel fleet flying through space was a great way to end. <p> The Two Towers had the Battle of Helms Deep and ended with the threat of Gollum turning on Frodo and Sam. It was a self contained film with more to come. Back To The Future II did the same thing. Who didn't love that ending with Marty running up to "young" Doc and telling him he was back from the future? <p> Deathly Hallows Pt. 1 just...ends. Sure the last scene is meant to give off the impression that coming back for part 2 is a must but it just doesn't work. At least it didn't for the audience I viewed it with. It felt like there was still at least an hour left in the film, maybe more and that was fine. But instead the credits rolled. <p> I know it makes sense from a business point of view to try to milk the Potter franchise as long as possible but from the point of view of telling a story, one 4-hour film would have been better. Yes that's really long but Potter fans will sit through it no problem and they could always add an intermission. <p> I have no doubt that the film will work a whole lot better when paired with Part 2 but as a film on it's own it just doesn't work as well as it needs to. It's certainly not the best one so far (in my humble opinion), for me Prisoner of Azkaban still stands supreme and to be honest, there's a lot they could have cut from this film in order to make a 3 hour finale that would have worked just fine. <p> So...yeah. It's ok. I'm sure it will be better when watched back to back with Part 2 but as a film in it's own right it doesn't quite work.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by mrbong

    no, certainly am not new! i was around even BEFORE Harry didn't break any laws because SOMEONE ELSE PUT THE PIRATE EPISODE II DISC IN A PLAYER. wtf is a Jaedan Smith, by the way? it's just this "does not exist in this dojo" shit is starting to get as annoying as those cunts who posted " (name here) gotta eat!!!!) " on every fucking thread.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    "does not exist in this dojo" is just Cobra--Kai's catchphrase that he puts on the headline of every first post in a particular talkback. He's been doing that for quite a while. If other people are doing it too then it's up to Cobra--Kai to find them all and crane kick them.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Gabba-UK I DO NOT enjoy Harry's reviews

    by directive4productions

    His writing’s a mess, and that is a major problem if he’s chosen to communicate his ideas exclusively in the written medium. I know he LOVES these entertainments he so fervently documents, but he’s spent all his time sitting on ass, watching, missing the forest for the trees. It doesn't help that he's constantly being feted by studios and filmmakers and being sent Green Lantern rings. I don’t necessarily think he understands the medium past the point of any fanboy who has it in him to pop in a DVD or flip open a comic book. Most of the time he posts poorly-spelled, grammatically incorrect, mostly autobiographical gibberish, and as the foremost spokesperson for "geek culture", I think he should practice a little more restraint and try and communicate something more worthwhile.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    So vadakin...which franchise sequel makes for the best standalon

    by Tigger Tales

    ... film of all time?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Hey Harry

    by fastcars

    The books are better than the movies. That's just a fact. So, watching the movies first contaminates the experience of reading the book. You're doing this wrong. Also, the movies are more enjoyable as adaptations of the books, than to see fresh. It's just a lose-lose. You would be getting more enjoyment if you read the books first, then saw the movies.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    That would be Godfather Part 2. But that was a standalone sequel. You didn't come out of the cinema anticipating part 3. <p> As for second parts of intended trilogies where the story continues but the film works well on it's own, I'd say The Empire Strikes Back, followed by The Two Towers. <p> I think Deathly Hallows Pt 1 is more akin to Matrix Reloaded, where the movie ends, there's more to come but the audience is annoyed that it's just over rather than anticipating part 3. <p> In fact Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions would have worked better as a single film and I think the same could be said for Deathly Hallows.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Harry feels that Harry has to refer to Harry in the third person

    by henrydalton

    Harryharryharryharryharry. Word's lost all meaning.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    I'm in the same boat as Harry. My first experience was with Potter was through the films and I've avoided the books and intend to keep doing so until the film series ends. <p> I'm sure the books are better. In fact Half Blood Prince was a film where it just felt like there was an hour cut out of the film for the sake of it. I'm not sure if I'm going to go back and read the books but if I do, then I'm hoping (and I assume this is Harry's reasoning too) that rather than being pissed off because the book I've read was cut to shit for a film, it will be the opposite where the books will help build and expand on what I saw with the films. <p> But I'm not eagerly anticipating reading the books, I enjoy the films for what they are but I don't have a burning desire to read the series.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Harry, Don't Read the Books


    Listen to them, unabridged. I like the American version of the UK version is great, too. You get the whole thing, with an incredible voice performance, and some dead on versions of Hagrid and Kreacher, to name 2. I listened to the whole series, catch as can, over 2 weeks, and I want to do it again sometime soon. That was a lot of fun.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    the c word

    by belledame

    did you really post that? why would you feel it necessary to add that complaint to your review, when you didn't have the nerve to confront the people in the theater. it sullies your work and your site. <p></p> low, harry. tasteless and low.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    vadakinX: No burning desire to read the books


    I was the same way. But wasn't didn't feel like waiting for HBP to find out what happens next, so started listening to the US audiobook. Long story short, I listened to the whole thing, then went back and listened to the entire series (and HBP all over again) on audiotape, and enjoyed it more than I have the movies. Might just be me, but after settling into the process of listening on audiotape, I had a great time. I suspect, if you ever listen to audio books, you'd really enjoy it.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Best stand alone sequel of all time

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    The Road Warrior. The first and third Mad Max movies are like footnotes on the masterpiece which is The Road Warrior.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Books first?

    by Parallax

    Interesting about not reading the books until after the films are seen. I'm usually bored by a book if I've already seen the flick, although I do like the peppering of details unseen in the movie, adding details. I guess that is a pretty good way to go, getting extra details afterwards instead of having them taking away here & there by reading about them first & then not seeing them all up on the screen. Interesting. I'm kind of jealous now! Anyway, good flick at the midnight showing last night. Definitely didn't like the split a la the Massawyrm review, and I'm surprised Harry didn't mention this at all here...

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    First image of Urban as Dredd

    by RedLeaderStandingBy

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    First image of Urban as Dredd

    by RedLeaderStandingBy es/galerias/judgedredd/Primeira-foto.jpg

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Did anybody understood this review?

    by AsimovLives

    I recognize the words as english, but hell if i understood what was the point, and what was said. Incoherent barely describes it. And i'm the foreigner guy here!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The tale of the 3 brothers was awesome

    by disfigurehead

    I was wondering how they were going to do that. Helena Bonham Carter was the week link. I can't stand her. I was expecting Tim Burton or Johnny Depp to show up. JOHN Hurt on the other hand was awesome as usual however brief his appearances were.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Memory as evidence for Sirius

    by jeffv

    It bugged me that they could've used memory-as-evidence to exhonerate Harry in the beginning of Order of the Phoenix, but in the case of Sirius the answer was simple: he confessed. No one bothered to check whether he was lying because why would an innocent man lie and say he was guilty of the murder of his closest friend?

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Jeez Harry! You haven't read the books?!

    by sweeneydave

    It's actually kinda disappointing that we won't get your thoughts on the books when you finally get to read them (this being a movie site and all). The talkbackers freaked out last time you had a link dedicated to some kind of ongoing short story thing. And it's not like it's a NEW book. But I'd still love to hear your thoughts on these books from a movie-reviewers perspective.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    In answer to the Troll idiot

    by ROBE

    April 20 2008 The Mail on Sunday Page 47 J. K. Rowling AN ARTICLE in last week's Mail on Sunday said that Warner Bros had begun a legal battle with a film director who claims to have devised an earlier version of Harry potter. There is no such legal battle. We accept that J. K. Rowling is the sole creator of her Harry Potter character and that there are no material similarities between her books and the film mentioned. I watched the movie Troll in the 1980s on VHS video tape, it is about an ordinary family of four, father, mother, son and daughter who move into a new apartment complex. An evil little troll who used to be a wizard abducts the daughter and puts her in a glass coffin and takes her shape and place. The son is the only one who is suspicious of the "daughter's" odd behaviour. Slowly one by one the troll starts turn the residence of the other apartments into fairy folk and their apartments into fairy land. At the end of the movie the son with the aid of an old lady who lives in one of the apartments who happens to be a witch manages to defeat the troll, or so he thinks. Now apart from the fact that this is a fantasy movie it doesn't have any serious similarity with the Harry Potter books but one. The family are called Potter, the father Harry Potter SR, the mother Anne Potter, the son Harry Potter JR and the daughter Wendy Anne Potter. Considering that Harry Potter is a common name that many real people have had and we know JKR got the name from neighbours of hers when she was a child the similarity can be put down to coincidence. If the film maker genuinely believed he had been copied he has had 10 years, seven novels and five films to take legal action. Another strange thing is that the Potter family did not appear in the movies Troll II and Troll III. One could argue however that a B movie film maker might take advantage of a name coincidence to gain free publicity when planning to do a remake of their original movie. PS Just came out of the cinema and this is the best HP so far.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles and the Deathly DVD column

    by Faust_8

    now that's one I'm still waiting for

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Seeing it tonight

    by Kammich

    Ordered my tickets online, gonna catch it late tonight after I get out of class. This is actually the first "Potter" film I'll have seen in theaters, despite reading all the books and enjoying all the movies(for the most part). I avoided this review because I'm trying to stay relatively spoiler free(perhaps a bit redundant for someone who has read the books, but I don't care). For me, the jury is still out on Yates. I think "Phoenix" was incredibly hard to adapt, and he did a remarkable job of turning a very bloated, dark and angsty novel into one of the stronger films of the series. But his adaptation of "Half-Blood Prince," my favorite novel in the entire series, was severely disappointing. It seemed like Yates decided that he'd rather have the film be AESTHETICALLY dark than TONALLY dark, and they neutered some of the most profound parts of the book--watering down and misinterpreting Dumbledore's murder, not including Dumbledore's funeral, the Bill/Fenrir Greybeck stuff, etc. So, I'm trying to keep my optimism a bit more stifled for this one. The trailers look positively epic, so please, Mr. Yates... don't let me down.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Potter just another Illuminati Occult Ritual to Program you

    by mugglesrule

    Wake up the illuminati and druid witches that run a lot of hollywood are just programing you into Satanic worship and bondage. Jesus came to Set the Captives free. O my Harry potter is very good witchcraft propaganda

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    AICN's Harry is jealous

    by KoolerThanJesus

    Obviously AICN's Harry is jealous of Daniel Radcliffe's lean, tone figure, so that's why he has a problem with shirtless scenes. Seriously dude, skip a few movies and spend some time on a treadmill, then even you can find your penis when you look straight down.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    It's interesting to read your reviews since

    by CherryValance

    you haven't read the books. You have an enthusiasm after seeing these films that I don't. I guess it can't be helped. It's not just comparing the books to the films, it's that having read it I already know what will happen or better yet what is supposed to happen. And these David Yates films have consistently taken my favorite parts of the books and dumped them completely. For instance, at about the 3 minute mark I was trying to chant in my mind, "it's a movie, not the book" to get over Harry and Dudley's missing goodbye. And then in the book when I started bawling was what happened to Hedwig. Luckily, I think I forgot a lot of the book this time since I didn't read it again right before the movie as I have in the past. But reading what rainbowtrout1265 said earlier about the second half not being as action-y freaks me out. It was all action in the book, until the epilogue.</p> <p>Anyway, this had some cool looking scenes and was the most horror of any of them. There's nothing "wrong" with it compared to other films. I just can't shake the sense that these could have been SW/LOTR good if they'd stayed the original course. And for a film that had to be split in half it seems like they had an awful lot of time to stare at things/each other. I don't know. I think I'm going to have to read the book again.</p>

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I didn't care for this

    by MattmanReturns

    I don't get why everyone's gushing over this. Every scene was confusing and felt rushed, the deaths had no impact, and the ending doesn't even qualify as a good cliffhanger. I read the book when it first came out, but I don't care how true they stay to it. I thought Half Blood was a great MOVIE (you have to view these separately) even though it didn't get everything right from the book. This one does not qualify as a good movie... it's just a bunch of random shit without an ending. I love these movies, so I hope they make up for this mess with the last one... but I'm worried now.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    It was too damn dull.

    by Tarijeno

    The book was dark, but the book had emotion and a little bit of humor. The movie just felt like the DaVinci Code of Potter movies; everybody just reading their lines in a monotone voice. It did get interesting in the last hour though.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    great film

    by the_fin

    I saw this as a great rollercoaster. I knew where all the turns and twists were, yet they still were visually effective. In the end I got what I expected. I think that holds true for all ends of the spectrum. If you expected a certain sort of cliff hanger and it wasnt there, it must be a bad cliffhanger. (kill bill 1 had the same type). The film only stumbled in one scene in act 2. Again, not what I expected. so, I think that scene blows.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Tarijeno, exactly on the DaVinci Code comment

    by MattmanReturns

    Very by the numbers. I did love the animated part though (can I get an entire Beedle Bard movie filmed that way please?), and some of the scenes between the three leads were good... when they weren't bogged down with exposition.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Question for Harry- Why aren't your reviews counted on RT

    by ndally

    Is there a reason you aren't included in the 250 odd critics from I've always wondered why you aren't included since Drew Mcweeny is(I'm not sure if that's just been because he moved to hitfix). I would have loved to have seen "Chocolate Covered Pussy Juice" in a Speed Racer rottentomatoes meter. Your a respected member of the online reviewers community(since you kind of pioneered it as well) and helluva lot more qualified than Armond White. And no fellow talkbackers I'm not trying to kiss ass I'm just curious why Harry isn't included. Im wondering whether it's a personal choice of yours or some sort of criteria you need to meet.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by phifty2

    re: your response to Flicka: Is that the first post you ever made without a "....does not exist in this dojo." opening? <p> And yeah, that other guy must be new.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Just saw it and I agree it's the best in the series!

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    I'm a casual fan. I haven't read the books, and right now I'm glad I haven't because I was on needles and pins for the full 2 1/2 hours of "The Deathly Hollows Pt1." It's going to be a long wait to see how it all turns out. I honestly think I could have sat another 2 1/2 hours if the rest of the story is as exciting and riviting as the first half. Thank God that the pay-off was worth the rather lifeless set-up that was "The Half Blood Prince" (my least favorite film in the series). This truely feels like a great reward for those that stuck with the series thus far.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Lord of Light

    by Katet19

    His followers called him "Mahasamatman and said he was a god. He preferred to drop the Maha- and the -atman, however, and called himself Sam. He never claimed to be a god, but then he never claimed not to be a god." If you in fact got your moniker from Zelazny's pretentious drek you're no more an authority on literature than ole Harry here. I also hope you're really a brit because there is nothing more douche chill inducing than a non brit who uses the term "sodding".

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I don't remember shit from the last book

    by Kammich

    So I'm excited that the film will probably be fresh to me. Its been almost 3 years since I finished reading "Deathly Hallows," and while I was reading it I had a really severe case of mononucleosis that literally almost killed me. I remember some shit with the three kids in the forest, a little bit of them breaking into the Ministry of Magic, and the epilogue... but other than that, nothin'.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by enough22

    Great DVD section again this week. Really, awesome. FUCK YOU!

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    ...I've read all the books and enjoyed them, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I can't remember shit. It's all a blur...<P> Aunt Petunia's -> Hogwarts -> Weasleys' -> Hogwarts -> Quiddich -> Hogwarts -> Diagon Alley -> Weasleys' -> Hogwarts -> that butterbeer village -> Quiddich -> Weasleys' -> Aunt Petunia's again -> Diagon Alley -> Hogwarts...<br> <br> <br> <br> Oh, and -> camping.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST least LORD OF THE RINGS has a trajectory...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that's humanly possible to remember...<P> The shire → Old Forest → Tom Bombadil → Barrow Downs → Bree → Weathertop → flight to the ford → Rivendell → too much snow → Mines of Moria → Lothlorien → etc...→ etc...<P> Boy, I hope I didn't get anything wrong. Then again, if I means I it's time to read them again. <P>Either way, I win.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    that was one of the problems with the prequels

    by sith_rising

    naboo - coruscant - tattooine - coruscant - naboo - kamino - coruscant - tatooine - coruscant - geonosis - coruscant - utapau - order 66 - coruscant - mustafar - coruscant - alderaan - coruscant - tattooine...

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    ...yep, and EMPIRE is even simpler.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    ...hmmm, maybe that's why the prequels made no...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...impression on me. I remember endless Space Senate C-SPAN sessions, a couple cool lightsaber fights, Yoda in twirl mode, lava...that's about it.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST


    by yeuxdesoir

    and pay attention b/c this is my first actual login of the last year... we've seen that memories can be tampered with in hp6 we've seen they can be erased, a la hermione we've seen how incredibly afraid people are of Voldemort. one has to assume that there was NO excuse, to be made for whoever betrayed the potters. it could be that evidence was not in Sirius' favor and he became the fall guy. Even Lupus thought he did it at first and no one, aside from james and lily, was closer to Sirius. Also, his entire family was comprised of mudblood hating death eaters, this is more detailed in the books. In fact, his own cousin killed him. We also know that he made Snape's life a living hell and the dark lord takes no ones counsel more seiously. (Siriusly :D ) so he had made a lot of enemies. Also he was the most likely to be the secret keeper of the fedilius charm which was used to hide the potter' location. all in all, any wizard of his caliber is likely to be able to alter or erase their memories so they can't be called into question. Voldemort can't even breach Snape's mind. i tried to keep it spoiler free for you Harry :D

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I love how you man-titted fuckwads hate the SW prequels...

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    But embrace shit like the Harry Potter series

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Keeper Of Chimps

    by MattmanReturns

    I just check to make sure I don't have tits, but it goes like this: Original Star Wars Trilogy > Harry Potter > Star Wars Prequels. Sorry, the prequels are mostly ass.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    ...Keeper Of Chimps has boy-titties...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...or likes boy-titties, I can never remember which it is.<P> Probably both.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    There was a collective 'awwww' as the credits rolled.

    by antonphd

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Rowlings richer than the Queen of england. She can't spend all the money she already has. If she writes another Harry Potter I doubt it will be for money.

  • Nov. 19, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    ...STAR WARS as written by J.K. Rowling...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Tatooine → Falcon → Lightsaber Store → Falcon → blindfolded laser-drone training → Tatooine → Falcon → Far Away Galaxy Bank → laser-drone training → Rebel Base → blindfolded laser-drone tournament → Space Infirmary → Falcon → Tatooine → Cantina → Space Infirmary → Falcon → Death Star → Falcon → blindfolded laser-drone practice → Lightsaber Store → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → camping → Rebel Base → Yavin Battle...

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Film looks terrific but man, does it DRAAAAAAAAG....

    by SpyGuy

    Some great scenes here and there filled in with standing around and not driving things forward. Personally, I blame Rowling and her so-called editor for structuring the narrative so piss-poorly.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    not bad, but not great either.

    by RedHorseVector

    if i hadn't read the books, i'm sure i would have found it absolutely interminable. as it was, i thought it dragged on quite a bit but it also had a few good moments. didn't particularly care about dobby, but i was sad to see the owl get it. the naked harry-and-hermione-sexy-time-illusion was just bizarre, many gasps and guffaws were heard at my showing. if j.k. rowling promises not to come back in 5 years with the story of the potter children, i'll probably end up plunking down the cash for part two...

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    & hermione is finally dangerously attractive.

    by RedHorseVector

    they actually got lucky that she's an attractive girl, what if she had ended up being funny-looking (like some of the male cast members) after hitting puberty? anyway, that sassy red wedding reception number was the bomb, yo.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    spyguy: you hit the nail on the head there.

    by RedHorseVector

    listen, i don't envy the task of putting together one final book which draws together a huge amount of disparate threads from the previous six, but j.k. rowling did a poor job. the kids don't know the difference but the plot of deathly hallows is ridculous and poorly paced. if you played a VIDEO GAME with a story like that, it would be considered flimsy... if not for the massive emotional investment in the main characters, no one would accept it, but rowling skated by in the end.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 2 a.m. CST


    by cecil1


  • Nov. 20, 2010, 2:25 a.m. CST


    by room23storeblogspotcom

    She actually stated when the 7th book was coming out that she would not be writng any more HArry Potter books.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    room23: & george lucas claims there'll be no SW sequels!

    by RedHorseVector

    you telling me you believe that? c'mon!

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Harry, when you DO read the books...

    by VirginiaGent I'm sure you will, after the final movie comes out, how about posting a review of those? I'd love to see what you think of them, not just as compared to the movies, but about them on their own. I think it would make a really decent series of reviews. But maybe that's just me.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    my thoughts...

    by Magic01273

    This really has emerged as my favourite movie out of all of them, too. And that is not something I have automatically said of each new HP movie, nor is it hyperbole in my opinion. It genuinely is the most grown up, mature film of the series so far. <p> Sure, the pacing of the film is varying but this matches exactly the final book. The fact that the pace slows a little in the middle of the movie gives rise to what I consider to be some of the films defining (and best) character moments - the straining bonds of friendship and scenes that bring true feelings of hopelessness and isolation. None of the other HP movies have succeeded in delivering this level of emotional punch and none of the other movies have gone quite so far in terms of eliminating that slightly awkward viewer sensation that you are actually watching some whimsical "kids" fantasy movie.</p> <p>Seriously.....gone are the fun spells and charms and hexs we saw in the prevous films. Make no mistake; the wands in this film are geniune hand guns and high explosives now.</p> <p>***Mild Spoilers****</P> <p>I think Yates has gone to great lengths to make The Deathly Hallows feel different. And it works. Even the magic effects have hit puberty at last. The Patronuses (the white-light animal totums that the wizards conjure to deliver messages and repel Dementors) have been given a gorgeous makeover in this film. No longer crude or cartoony - at one point Harry treads slowly through the woods following a Patronus in the form of a silver Doe, in a scene that was quite honestly, breathtakingly beautiful. And the house-elves have been given an almost Golum-like level of realism - which helped to make for a pretty powerful emotional payoff towards the end of the film. None of these effects are technically ground-breaking in and of themselves. What they are however are subtle (yet clear) signs that we are in a more grown up place now.</p> <p>There is conflict, injury and death in this film that feels real. And there are at least two pretty hard-hitting torture scenes that, to my mind at least, were quite strikingly "adult" in tone.</p> <p>The opening scene is a clear "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore" moment. As Voldemort and his Death Eaters sit around a table casually discussing their plans to capture Harry, all the while a Witch - a teacher from Hogwarts - levitates gently above them. Paralysed, bloodied and beaten with her battered head awkwardly thrown back and terrified bloodshot eyes trying to take in what is happening to her. She manages to utter a single, haunting line before she is quite brutally dispatched (twice!). We've seen nothing on this kind of level or with this kind of tone before in these films.</p> <p>*** End Spoilers ***</p> <p>Above all else, however I would highlight the acting in the film. I honestly don't know what has happened in the time interval between this movie and the last but suddenly the number of acting "cringe" moments from the main three evaporated to pretty much ZERO. Hermione and Ron were the standouts to me but particularly Emma Watson. Her inability to deliver lines and emote without her eyebrows shooting up through the ceiling of the Great Hall has always distracted (and irked) me slightly and yet suddenly in this film she seems to have emerged as an actress with actual talent (outside of just her looks!). She delivers some great performances in this movie.</P> <p>I haven't written this to answer back to any of the TBers in this discussion that just want to hate on this franchise. They are more than welcome to their opinions. But if you have even just a passing interest in these films, this is one you should certainly take the time to go an see, in my view. Its not perfect, but its a worthy penultimate installment to the movie series and a vastly superior HP film that I think will pleasantly surprise a lot of people </P>

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    by devil0509

    Ah, Harry, you are a typical liberal. All self-righteousness and holier-than-thou, while you throw out mysogyny and jerk off to japanese fetish porn. BTW: after you see the last movie, read the fucking books. Don't be intimidated...they're written at about a 7th grade level, so even you can do it!

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Phrifty2 does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Phrifty2, I've only one time deviated from the Dojo in the subject line... and that was a very special occcasion (the 10,000th post of the legendary Bale-Back).<p> I do sometimes leave the line blank though. Too much Dojo can break the brains of lesser men (exhibit a: mrbong).

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    ps. what happened to Phrifty1?

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    I'm really not too sure


    Personally I thought it really boring and found myself shifting in my seat quite alot. I don't blame Yates it was just that the book was too long and boring in the first place. I know that these latter installments have got darker but there were times I couldn't even see what was happening and I'm sure that was not their intention of being darker. Also the action (What little there was) was in some places really hard to follow, was that Yates, the second unit or piss poor editing. The bit with the snake fight wasn't at all clear. There was some good bits but it seems to me that all the magic, wonder and enchartment has been washed out of this franchise.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    It's called boredom, not "character moments"

    by rainbowtrout1265

    That middle section of the movie (and book) are unforgivably dull. It's easy to see what Rowling was trying to do, but she just takes too long to do it. I don't care how serious or how dark the author wants to get, there's no reason to try the audience's patience like Deathly Hallows does.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    harry potter and the deathly boredom part one.

    by RedHorseVector

    that was the title i imagined in my head during a large portion of the movie. my ass also fell asleep, a common sign of a so-so film.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    This talkback epitomizes true fanboy idiocy.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Every single one of the Harry Potter films has a better plot, characters, acting and depth than Avatar. Avatar was a special effects wonder. And it had a couple of decent acting performances. But, it was a two dimensional cartoon, with no depth to it and was a very simplistic film. And, the fanboy "love" for the Prisoner of Azkaban is absolutely fake, in my opinion. It is NOT the best of the Harry Potter films. Primarly because Michael Gambon took over for Richard Harris as Dumbledore, but did not have the same twinkle and had not mastered the part yet. Moreover, Gary Oldman is barely in the damn film. And, that book establishes Harry's familial feelinds for Sirius -- but that is not well developed in the movie. So, by the 5th movie Harry treats Sirius as his surrogate father or favorite uncle who he's known all his life, but had way more bonding time with Remus Lupin in the Azkaban movie. I liked Goblet of Fire better, frankly. And, I might add, I think Wacthmen was a better movie than fucking Avatar as well. I think, over time, Watchmen will get more credit for being a really great and ambitious film that didn't work primarily because the source material is not that accessible to general audiences. Avatar -- like Titanic -- is garbage as far as plot, story, acting and emotional depth.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    It's a cliche to say the Potter books get darker, but it's highl

    by Hesiod2k7

    The story arc starts out with a young kid having tyoung kid adventures and a whole protective support structure and surrogate family protecting him both literally and emotionally from the cruelties of the world. As he gets older, he learns more about his past, and the dangers of the world. He also loses, over time, some of that support structure. To the point where, eventually, it is just him alone against Voldemort. Voldemort's speech during the final battle mocking Harry for escaping him all those times through the machinations of Dumbledore, or others, or just dumb luck, is made for a reason. The whole series is an allegory on growing from a protected child into an adult on your own in the cruel world. Eventually, literally, losing your parents -- and having to forge a new family with the people you befriend and marry along the way. Harry spends the first few books mourning the loss of his real parents, and developing a new parental influence in Dumbledore -- only to see that ripped from him as well. What's the message of dumbfuck Avatar? "Save the environment from those rapacious corporations."

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    As an American I like British slang. If I refer to a gaff, geezer, taking the piss, getting pissed; if I refer to something as brilliant such as a meal, these things would offend you? <p> I'm sure alot of "Yank" slang from "the States" has made it "across the pond". But seriously, If I like how a word or phrase sounds I use it and it becomes an acquired behavior.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    ...Hesiod2k7, that rant was poorly conceived...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...what the fuck does AVATAR have to do with anything?<P> Let it be known that Hesiod2k7 prefers HARRY POTTER movies to AVATAR...and he or she is angry about it, for some reason.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    "Lightsaber store" If only these were real. That's some funny shit too.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    hesiod is TRIPPING.

    by RedHorseVector

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    It's Phifty, not PhRifty. I made up my name while reading DC's "52" year long weekly comic. Great series. The PH comes from my love of the Philadelphia Phillies.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but Anakin and Amidala on Naboo...

    by Hesiod2k7

    ....rollicking in the tall grass was FAR WORSE than anything put in film in the Harry Potter series. By a fucking mile.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Yes. Harry Potter films > Avatar.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Guaranteed that those HP films will still be watched by future generations of kids more than Avatar. Avatar made all that money because of it's rich 3d environment and it became a spctacke and an event that people had to experience in the theaters. If it was just a conventional 2d film, it would have never come even close to making that kind of money. It's mostly fluff. And the fanboy love for that movie proves how superficial they are.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    One more thing,,,,

    by Hesiod2k7

    ...the reason the Harry Potter films and books work (for the most part) is because JK Rowling, as opposed to George Lucas, DOES NOT spend all of her time focusing on the back story. She sticks with the main characters and their perspectives, for the most part. Does anyone really give a shit about seeing the slow infiltration of the ministry with imperiously cursed death eater puppets? Really? I think she made the infamous campaign sequences boring and difficult for a reason. She wanted the reader to experience what the kids were feeling. Boredom, being trapped, frustrated, irritable, feeling left out of the loop, etc.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Why is that in the Harry

    by ufoclub1977

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Huh? Red Dawn was...

    by crankyoldguy

    sorry, Harry, a piece of claptrap. NOT a great film. A B-Movie. A Reagan-era, anti-commie (and the Soviets were never really communists, but that's a whole other lesson to explain to people). You'll never convince me otherwise. However I have no doubt this will be quite good if not great. I find out tonight.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Why is it in the Harry Potter movies...

    by ufoclub1977

    outside of the first or second one, I feel no real plot? Plot has tension and drama that form out of events that lead from one to the other, but all the Harry Potter movies (outside of the part with the lady taking over the school and then the kids training for battle) seem to have plots that don't actually cause tension, but are rather exercises in slick color correction and special effects? For example when the head wizard got zapped and fell... I felt nothing! Nothing outside of admiration for a clean composite and cool slow motion. But because they have all that cool visual stuff I still watch em. But I can't tell you what part of the overriding plot goes to what movie.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Hesiod, you can't really compare

    by MattmanReturns

    a single sci-fi film to a franchise of fantasy films. My head hurts just thinking about it.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Each film is a discovery...

    by strosmer

    of sheer boredom. Oh, a wand battle? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    so the Dark Lord's joined the republican party

    by skiff

    seems about right

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    actually jkr does labor on backstory...

    by belledame

    she just doesn't publish that part. she did however hand it all over to the filmmakers at the start so they could build the context of everything in line with the principal story <p></p> and further on sirius's memory: sirius wasn't just convicted for betraying the potters. he was more notorious for killing 13 people - 12 muggles and a wizard - with one curse. that's why everyone was so freaked that he escaped azkaban. sirius was apprehended in the rubble of a bomb that had been set off by wormtail to distract sirius as he transfigured and ratted down into the sewer. sirius was more or less holding the smoking gun. no one wanted to hear his defense.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    this one was neat to look at but soooo...

    by krod good break at the end of the film either.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I just saw it and there is a good part!

    by ufoclub1977

    Where they disguise themselves as grownups and enter the place of supernatural business... that part seemed like part of a movie with a plot! And fun.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    The best thing about the HP books and movies...

    by zacdilone hanging out in AICN Talkbacks and watching as desperate geeks try to prove their superiority by trashing them. "Oooh, look--something popular. I hate it, therefore I'm cooler than you."<p><p>Keep it up, guys. I need a laugh.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    My issue with DH Pt. 1

    by Horgy

    This movie, to me, felt like they took the Cliff's Notes of the book, and threw it on screen. They said "what do we NEED from the book," and the movie feels like that, in outline form, without a real flow. The VAST majority of the dialogue is exposition. I'm also a little bothered by how much of the taken-for-granted backstory from the books has to be laid out in the first few minutes of this one. "Hi, I'm Bill Weasley. I got my face all effed up by Grayback. I like my steaks rare and oh yeah, I'm marrying that girl from 2 movies ago." Okay, in the books, Bill got his face effed up by the werewolf Grayback when he went to save Harry in the Ministry in Order of the Phoenix (in a great scene that was pretty much butchered for the movie.) In the books, Bill and Fleur's relationship has been going on for 2 books by this point, with plenty of pages dedicated to them, again, completely left out of the movie. And that's just one example. <P> That having been said, they did a great job of translating the book onto the screen, and dumping some of the REALLY boring parts. Even the endless camping scenes (they camped for what, 8 months in the book?) were handled well. The movie kept things going, and some of those locations were great!

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and nothing happens for two hours

    by knowthyself


  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and nothing happens for two hours

    by knowthyself


  • Nov. 20, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST


    by dodgethis27

    the first four movies have a definite plot. the rest of the books feel like one long story. I've always thought that.

  • Nov. 20, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai & Flickashit are fucking homos

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    They aggressively buttfuck each other in the Dojo all the time....regardless of how much blood leaks out of Kai. Kai you are a scrawny pussy bitch and flickadicka....just fuck off you pedophile cunt. So anyways, uh yeah...Harry Potter is gay.....I guess you guys (or gals) haven't gotten the word yet

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the Does Not Exist Dojo Homos

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    All we need now is DA_CHOPPAH....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Then AICN will have it's full stable of cunts in one talkback

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    I'm pissed that the Dursleys were pissed on.

    by jwhj2007

    Seriously, all we see is the back of their heads. So dumb!

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who chuckled at Harry's pet's death?

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    SPOILER ~~~ I chuckled a little heartily when White Owl (forget its name) got whacked out and spun in the air. Sure, it's sad, but the way owl's death is portrayed with fake CG shit is laughable. Hahahaha at owl's death. Hahahaha at Dobby's death (the blatantly obvious CG character in the film, and somewhat underdeveloped t an extent). I prefer puppets, at least that's realistic and doubly creepier. Good film overall, negate some slow parts that put some audience patrons to zzzz.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    "This is the RED DAWN of HARRY POTTER films"

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Uh-huh, whatever. This is the "critic" who praised THE LAST EXORCISM and encouraged three of his stooges to write equally positive reviews.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Fanservice like, whoa

    by FridaRome

    Honest, the dozen shirtless David Radcliffs weren't ENTIRElY in service of the story. I was fully expecting a wave of "woo"s to come up from the audience, but mine yielded only a few knowing chuckles, some from me.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Anyone who puts Potter above Avatar is a F moron

    by quantize

    at it's worst Avatar is still more inventive than this Lord Of The Rings washed out bullshit.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Offscreen death and camping...

    by arta

    Sounds like Call of Duty Black Ops.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 5:07 a.m. CST

    What does harry feel about the dvd column

    by nobodylistenstodestro

    Does he feel like sitting his fat ass down and writting it?

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Hesiod2k7 - Azkaban!

    by RupertG

    That Azkaban is not the mest is like your opinion man! For me, Azkaban is without a doubt the best Potter film. Have you read the book? Sirius Black is not really much in it either. Harry spends maybe three hours together with him, in fact, he does spend much more time with Lupin. Dumbledore in film three is the closest to the real one! I always wondered why Lupin never kept in touch in Goblet, but I guess it is his shame. An yeah, in the "lovely" Goblet film (which I think is the worst in the series), Sirius is in one scene, as a fire place! In the book, Harry and Sirius bond a lot! Guess who's there when Harry returns from the graveyard? You guessed it! Sirius Black!

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Nice one arta


    Made me chuckle.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    lol Avatar is more original than Potter?

    by sith_rising

    Sure, Potter may have some serious inspiration from LOTR and Star Wars, but Avatar is a direct fucking copy of Dances with Samurai. carbon fucking copy. And it already looks dated.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    not a kid's movie

    by oisin5199

    There I said it. And I'll say it again. So to the dumb-ass mother a few rows ahead and to the left, who brought her 3 toddlers, fuck you. Seriously, 3 kids no older than 3 or 4 years old, who wouldn't sit still and wouldn't shut up. Did you read the book? Did you do any research at all? Or did you just think, Harry Potter, let's bring all the kids. I have a 5 year old daughter but I would never bring her to a movie with so much death and darkness, let alone an overwhelming atmosphere of fear and despair. I don't even think she's ready for the first movie yet. Then to the mother who brought 3 tween girls sitting behind us, fuck you as well. Your girls were whispering the entire fucking movie, narrating the thing, identifying the characters to each other, and generally loudly and verbally reacting to every action scene, and whispering in every quiet moment (the mother, too) as if we were all sitting in your living room. Now I know why all my movies recently have been IMAX and not the 5.50 matinee price. cuz most people who pay 20 bucks a ticket aren't complete morons and know what they're there for. <p>Anyway, loved the movie, but man it was a downer. All three of the kids shone, especially Emma Watson and Hermione's emotional journey. The dancing scene in the tent was so poignant and sad. And Dobby, forget about it. To go from the Jar Jar Binks of the series to the emotional center of the film - wow. You will believe a cg character can make you cry. Fuck the haters.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    oisin5199 must have been the 4th tween girl in the theater

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    because only a little girl would complain about the audience for a Harry Potter moive

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    shirtless David Radcliffs ....yeah, that's what american girls w

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    s scrawny frail little jew boy....Cobra_Kai must havd been his body double...withe some CGI enhancements ofcourse

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    yeah, talking in the theatre was a HUGE problem for this.

    by RedHorseVector

    the girls behind me didn't shut up for a single fucking second. during the scene where harry strips down to dive into the iced-over puddle one of the girls whispered "oh my god, it looks so cold," and the other one replied "you know what that means, right?" both girls: "hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee..."

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Great film, but I don't think I'd say it was the best of the ser

    by elsachmo

    It was well done, and I enjoyed seeing it on the first day, but I guess I just wasn't as impressed as everyone else. I think films like Prisoner of Azkaban had much better cinematography. The actors have gotten better, and being that this movie is pure drama, it gives them a chance to do more of what I guess people call "real acting"? Every film has to leave things out from the book, but they left out way too many of Harry's flashes through Voldemort's eyes when he's just barely escaped from him over and over. Wasn't that one of the main points of what was happening with Harry and crew in the book? It would have only been maybe 30 seconds more of film, but would have filled out what Harry and Voldemort's connection was. Every person I know that's seen it has been disappointed that they didn't stress this connection enough in the film.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    I know....same at the theater I was at! And then one group of kids parents dragged them out of the movie because of sideboob! lol

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Star Wars>LOTR>Pirates>Narnia>3 Ninjas>Ernest>HP

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    With a shitload of franchises in between Narnia and 3 Ninjas.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    People really cried about Dobby?

    by rainbowtrout1265

    I sure hope that was a female that wrote that. What guy would cry over an annoying CGI creature in a Harry Potter movie? And the dancing scene was humiliating in it's stupidity. After all the books and all the movies, does anyone NOT know that Harry and Hermoine are great friends? Does anyone need a made-up dance number (that seems to come from a different movie) to emphasize the point? Other than the neverending camping trip, I liked the film quite a bit. But something is wrong with you if you cried over it.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    6 SW films were good, 2 were masterpieces

    by Keeper Of Chimps

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I'm cRACkin' the WHIP on your ASS, Harry. --DVD Column???

    by JDanielP

    wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiii TISSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Talking in theaters

    by PorkChopXpress

    It's an epidemic now...I only see movies at the Arclight now, since they charge so much that a more polite audience goes there and doesn't make inappropriate noises and chat at full volume throughout. Hence, I see fewer movies in theaters now.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST

    These are an empty shell of the story.

    by Lucasblows

    Deathly Hallows was better than the Half-Blood Prince, which was absolutely half-assed, but not by much.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Gotta say it

    by shatners hairpiece

    Harry Potter movies suck big veiny cocks and so do all you fags who droll over these overlong, hackneyed, rip-off piece of crap movies. My kids love 'em, but the oldest is 10. Anyone older than that who watches this shit should just shoot themselves.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    meh...kind of boring and heavy handed

    by FleshMachine

    the others were pretty heavy handed too.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    kids overacting + comic and dramatic misfires

    by FleshMachine

    the series needed a real director, one who could have modulated the terrible over-acting of all the kids and captured some magic...jackson did that with lotr.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Shamelessly derivative of SW and LOTR

    by FleshMachine

    i mean yeah; good, evil etc..but come on...

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    So horcrux is the ONE RING when around your neck??

    by FleshMachine

    that was weak.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    someone yelled "bullshit" after my packed screening

    by FleshMachine

    everyone laughed...clearly in agreement

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    better than having them grow up to be a fairy pussy like you

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by mayorofsmpleton

    You are the tool. Why do you care with another person reads? You need to spend a little more time in the mirror looking at yourself and analyzing why you're such a cynical dickwad. Look at your personal relationships and your life and figure out what is missing. If an adult wants to read a series that tackles some interesting subject matter with decidedly ADULT themes and stories why do you care? Is it because they can read at all? Oh, and I doubt "everyone" was looking at him like you were. They were probably trying to figure out why the pathetic misanthrope couldn't stop staring at a grown man reading a book and minding his own business...

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Worst flaw is the pacing/tone

    by starlesswinter7

    I hated this film's insistence that every serious/dramatic moment needs a joke to lighten the mood a bit. Almost every single one! The audience at my showing was laughing at the tiniest thing as if this was a comedy film.

  • Nov. 21, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    hang on a minute

    by mrbong

    are you guys saying Dobby and that fucking owl get what's coming to them in this film? if so, i am so fucking there.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    chatty cunts

    by Star Hump

    Does harry potter and the deathly hallows insist upon itself?

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    pretty excellent adaptation

    by belledame

    i think it worked very well! the opening sequence of the three at home shows right off that this is dead serious business. hermione's departure was particularly sad. and harry's look back at the cupboard under the stairs... <p></p> i've been rereading the book this past week so everything was fresh in mind. very well adapted. the departure from harry's home, the info harry gleans at the wedding was too thin, the camping in particular established the bleak lonely period and the draining effect it has on all of them, the retrieval of the sword and destruction of the locket... were fabulous translations and just slightly more awesome than the book. <p></p> places where it improved on the book: bellatrix going ninja on the snatchers, the demonstration of how the protective spells work - this is not explained in the books and so you accept it without understanding it, again, the locket scene. and for the love of heaven, that illustrated fairy tale was gorgeous! <p></p> things that were awesome but not as much as I'd hoped: seeing harry's old house (the book is more touching and more hopeful), the fight at bathilda's (to clarify, this entire scene was AWESOME, like a dreadful horror film broke out in the middle of the story, BUT it would have impressed me more if they'd shot h/h escaping over the bed, off the dresser and out the window - with LV steps behind them - in slomo like the window jump in that last "Bourne" flick. that's how it is on the page and it is an astounding scene of acrobatics and timing. one more *second* and harry would have been caught. <p></p> someone said this break was worse than the "matrix 2" which scared me b/c that really royally pissed me off. my expectations were crushed. i pity whoever felt that way, and heartily disagree. the break works extremely well: one side takes a bitter loss while the other makes a triumphant acquisition. we leave the way entered: worried for harry potter's very life. overall, i think this part of the story allows us a sense of continued wonder - it is still teaching us new things about magic - while granting that we already know the characters and so allowing the story to tell itself without explaining them to us along the way. and i'd further say that it was little ronald weasley who hooked me in the first film with his cheerful ways and kindness to harry, and then again in the second when he recruited his brothers to rescue harry from his relatives. over the years the disservices done to the character have pissed me off fiercely. the films largely play hermione up and ron down. this film brought back the brave ron weasley that hooked me on the potter world in the first place, the excellent chess player who sacrificed himself to give harry potter the checkmate.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST

    How did they survive for months ...

    by enya_mouf

    ... when they didn't eat a thing in the whole movie? Someone at least chuck Hermione a chocolate frog or something!

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST

    See Harry run

    by Abominable Snowcone

    See Harry and Hermoine sit in the forest. See Harry and Ron sit in a tent. See Harry and Hermoine sit on the rocks.<p> That's the new movie. Boring as fuck.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Flesh Machine

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yeah, the holcrux was like The One Ring or the black Spider-Man suit. Wear it too long and you become a dick. Which was alright with me--the film needed more dicks

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST


    by NightArrows

    Learn it Yates. The middle section KILLED this movie. Great opening section to the film, then BAM, Frodo Potter goes camping as summed up more than once. Awful and dull portion of the film that DIDN'T need to be. Whoever compares this to Empire Strikes Back is FUCKED IN THE HEAD. It's not even close. In no way outside of a somewhat cliffhanger ending, does this film relate to Empire Strikes Back which is pitch perfect. The Deathly Hallows story was incredible, and the adult tone and level of threat the film was HEADING for was great, too bad Yates fucked it into the ground with Exposition Death. On a related note, people who talk in the theatre during movies should be put to death. You're there to experience the film, not open your fucking mouth and ruin the experience for those around you. Stay the fuck home and watch it in your living room if you want to yack on and on. People are so incredibly stupid nowadays. There is NO excuse for talking during a film. Laugh, cry, emote with the group, just SHUT THE FUCK UP otherwise.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST


    by NightArrows

    I too was at a showing where everyone was laughing at things not requiring one. We were wondering how the fuck these people were laughing at someone moving, or speaking, or doing anything outside the confines of something comedic. Did not understand that at all.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Miley is eighteen TOMORROW

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Praise Bale

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I agree with you about people talking / texting during movies, even rock concerts.<p> But for HP I'd expect a younger, more ADHD and less mannered audience. Hell, if they'd gassed the entire theater I went to I would have been okay dying if it meant 100 less fucks in the world

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    damn dirty ape is quite right

    by ufoclub1977

    about the plot being full of holes in the movie. The only part that really works for me is when they disguise themselves and go into the corporate ministry (except for the fact that I can't remember what their goal was). That part was reminiscent of the fun of The Wizard of Oz or Star Wars, where you sneak about villain central in disguise.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter: Let's Go Camping In The Woods

    by estacado1

    Just finished watching it. I kinda liked it. It's more about setting the atmosphere than about telling a story. It's also like Harold and Kumar but with Harry and Harmoine. And Ron is NPH. The cinematography was good. That made the woods scene not boring. It feels like a Harry Potter film that has gone artsy and made by the Coens or Sophia Coppola. It sets up one hell of a finale. Definitely better than the last one, which I think was the weakest. I give it a 7/10.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Chatty Cunts?

    by onezeroone

    Now Harry, how exactly would you react if you were to see *insert whosoever you want here* take HER shirt off? Or for that matter, likes of you when watching PIRANHA 3D aka 3D TITTIES...? Hypocrite, much?

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    when you finally read the books...

    by taff

    good review of a good movie. It is also my favorite. Unlike Harry, I've read all the books. My previous favorite movie was Order of the Phoenix, which was my least favorite book! When the series is over and Harry finally reads the books he's in for a treat. Better yet, listen to the audio books, they're fabulous!

  • Nov. 22, 2010, noon CST

    Contains the single greatest animated sequence

    by UltraTron

    in the history of stylized digital animation. I'll take a 2 hour movie that looks like that. It's the digital Tim Burton toon he hasn't made. Creature is the best character in the movie

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    I did nod off several times but only during a

    by UltraTron

    scene like a character rummaging through a drawer- you know he'll find something in the drawer so I just nap till he finds it.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Harry K

    by shatners hairpiece

    Looking at Harry's recent reviews (Potter, MegaMind, a few others), I'm realizing that Harry likes some pretty shitty movies.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Harry feels that Harry feels that Harry feels that

    by Eliywahoo


  • Nov. 22, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The movies have gotten worse, not better

    by Moa Kaka

    That's why I'm skipping these last two. For all the criticism the first couple of movies got, they still had something the other movies lacked - the realization that these are stories FOR CHILDREN. The plots are stupid, the actors are bad, and they don't work as "serious" entertainment for adults. Chris Columbus understood that; the other directors were fooling themselves. As a result, Columbus made entertaining children's movies; the others were dull/stupid "trying-to-be-but-not-really-dark" movies. And I mean PHYSICALLY dark, with that awful bluish-bad-CGI tint to them. Rowling just doesn't have the talent to write a story for adults. Instead of acceting the stories' limitations, she (starting with book 4) and the movie makers tried to make them into something more, and failed.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Really Harry??

    by DefyThis

    "they're wandering around, rudderless" - you're 100% right with that comment, and so is the movie itself. There's no direction. It's overly long. Repetitive scenes of Hermoine, Harry, and Ron in the woods, then in more woods, wait they're back in the woods. The handling of the Deathly Hallows symbol and its explanation was lazy right up to the animated sequence, which was the best thing in the entire film. Wow, however. It's just bad storytelling, and given the source material is decent, you can only blame the director/writers on this one. I went with a friend, it was her choice; I'd seen the last one about a month before so it was still pretty fresh in my mind. This one was actually worse, and I wasn't a huge fan of the Half-Blood Prince. The worst part of this is that it's clear that splitting the film into two parts is nothing more than a cash grab. So little happened on screen that I was yawning at points, literally I almost did nod off. Cut out an hour of this crap, add in the events of the next movie, give it a 3 hour runtime, and you might have a solid movie. I'll still go see the next one just to see it to the bitter end but wow, this could have been a lot better.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Potter audiences are horrible

    by MattmanReturns

    They giggle and talk openly during the film, comparing scenes to the book. They seem to think they're special because they read a book.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    damn_dirty_ape, everything you've said is brilliant

    by MattmanReturns

    It's weird they include stupid little details like that, without explanation (madeye's eye on the door), but shortchange Neville and the Durselys, who are FAR more important to the story.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter, Part 7, Part 1

    by MattmanReturns

    Yeah, that hurts the brain.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Agree with Harry

    by MarionRavenwood

    Loved this movie. It has a quiet beauty and an emotional depth that none of the other films have captured yet and the performances are mature.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by MattmanReturns

    It's been a while since I read it, but wasn't his death also mentioned in passing in the book? I seem to remember it having more impact though. And like you, I have enjoyed most of the Potter movies. The only two I don't like are this one and Goblet of Fire. I think Azkaban and Half-Blood are my favorites. I have a soft spot for the first two, because they have a great sense of childlike wonder that inevitably gets lost as things get serious.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Death Hallows part 1...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...was lovely to look at, and I rather liked the down-time scenes with Harry and Hermione dancing and looking solemn in the woods. It made the whole thing suddenly feel like a real movie, and not just overly-CGI'ed kiddie fare.<BR> <BR> But overall, the movie was lacking a plot. The other films (and books) kind of had a specific story to tell, each one also managing to advance the overall uber-plot. But DH1 didn't do that. It was very sporadically episodic with lots of nice individual moments that served to move all the pieces into place for the final film, but those pieces didn't really add up to a plot that made much sense.<BR> <BR> That said, i still enjoyed it, but I understand others' complaints.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Potter Review

    by fookinmonkeyzod

    The rusted, decaying Warner Brothers logo we see at the start of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is a metaphor for the transformation and winding down of the series as a whole. The bright blue and yellow logo, used at the beginning of The Philosophers Stone and identifiable with Bugs Bunny and Superman just couldn’t front the two and a half hour epic that is the Deathly Hallows. Like the logo the franchise is almost unrecognisable, its taken the film equivalent of polyjuice potion by way of director David Yeates, however the transformation just isn’t that superficial, to continue the potterverse metaphors the film is a ponderous art house, heritage film hiding under an invisibility cloak of the blockbuster. Following the dark brown, dark green and black palette of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, Hallows opts for a stark bleached palette of cold whites, greys, blues and greens, creating a strong chiaroscuro between both pieces. Unfortunately for our heroes it’s a lot easier to hide in the dark and Hallows shows the trio of Harry, Ron and Hermione exposed, to evil, to self doubt, to mistrust, to depression and to some stunning UK scenery as their tent pops up TARDIS-like in a number of stunning locations. Whilst the novel’s constant repetition of casting protective charms and cooking dinner is unnecessary at best and tedious at worst, the film, regularly showing desperate and brutalised kids sitting on cliff tops, is as exhausting as it is captivating. The Deathly Hallows can almost be defined by what is not featured, there isn’t a single shot of Hogwarts school for witchcraft and wizardry, Professor McGonagal is absent and the Hogwarts Express is only on screen for a minute with franchise stalwart Neville having one line. Trusty Hagrid is incapable of looking after Harry as they flee Little Whinging, and Dumbledore is seen only as a cadaver. The monster quotient has also been slashed, the spiders and snake featured are both sized at the upper end of reality and the Thestrals are only glimpsed, in fact the biggest and scariest monster in the film is a London Bus. The film’s abandonment of the franchise’s more fantastical trappings means any hope of seeing Seamus’s annual potion blowing up in his face are long gone. For the most part this is Harry Potter for grown ups, where no where is safe and discovery means death or pain. What is staggering about the Deathly Hallows is that its main source of iconoclasm is Potter himself. The story of the film is essentially that Potter and Voldemort are enjoying a bout of wand envy. That Hermione snaps Harry’s ‘wand’ shortly after chiding him, “never” to ask her to “cut his hair again” is no coincidence. Inept, scared, powerless and impotent Harry can’t defend himself, look after his friends and allies, make a good decision, grab a sword from a frozen pond, or even seduce his best mate’s girl at her most vulnerable. In a radical and confident departure from the source material there is seemingly a ring of truth in the locket horcrux’s temptation of Ron and as Harry is laid bare, literally and figuratively, it is Ron who comes across as the bigger hero as a result. The lonely expansive scenery and depth of character exploration continues the Half Blood Prince’s theme of adult manipulation of innocents and shows up the basic premise of ‘kids saving the world’ as a ridiculous and offensive expectation. When Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows isn’t naval gazing we are gazing at Harry Potter’s naval, be it to set up a thrilling action set piece involving seven Harry Potters escaping the death eaters or for an I’m a Teen Wizard Get Me Out of Here bush tucker trial. There is also a played for laughs infiltration of the ministry of magic which is undermined by the actor playing the transformed Harry thinking that Potter can’t walk properly or move his arms? As only half of the story, structurally, the film suffers as a stand alone piece, as it is essentially an action set piece followed by a comedy set piece and then an hour and a half reminder of how serious the trio’s position is. The film is broken up by a stunning animation of the tale of the three brothers, and the explanation of the titular Deathly Hallows. As Hermione narrates the images from the story dance across the scene with a style and grace that Tim Burton could only dream of. This scene is one of many examples of Yeates oozing with confidence and delivering a film unlike any other Potter, even his own earlier efforts. The recurring cast are all excellent value as is Potter newcomer Bill Nighy who is given the honour of beginning the end with a transfixing monologue. What is unsatisfying about Potter 7 is the finale, which again can be seen as a hangover from the source material, and centres around the rescue of Harry, Ron and Hermione from certain death at Malfoy Manor by Dobby the house elf. Setting aside that house elves are far more powerful than wizards whilst also being their slaves, Dobby’s peculiar speech and connection with Columbus directed Chamber of Secrets drags the film kicking and screaming back to the kiddie friendly potter films. This jars thematically with the film’s musings on hopelessness, danger and brutality. That Dobby’s final fate is the most graphic so far on screen for a Potter character confuses the issue further and as we see Radcliffe stretching his acting credentials. Hearing the line “Dobby is Harry Potter’s friend” delivered in a tone somewhere between Elmo and… Elmo robs the scene, and therefore the culmination of the central theme, of its integrity. The film’s conclusion is essentially - Its not so bad because a genie might save you, but the genie might die so it is bad, and he also speaks like an idiot. Overall the film is exhausting, beautiful and bleak and should have foreigners visiting the UK in their droves to have their photo taken by that bridge, those rocks and that lake. Performances are brilliant throughout and the responsibility for issues with pacing, structure and story resides squarely with the source material, or any resistance to deviate too far from it. If Half Blood Prince was Black and Hallows Part 1 is white I can only assume that the even darker Hallows 2 will be red. I don’t think Hallows part 1 will be many people’s favourite but it might just be the best, but at what price? In a way it doesn’t feel like a Harry Potter film at all.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Good, but not the best

    by elsachmo

    We just watched back through all of the HP movies in the last few days, and in all reality, the movies made since David Yates became Director are probably the weakest in my opinion. The cinematography and story adaption was better on the previous, and he has really just tried to focus on making a teen drama, ala Twilight, by focusing on those aspects of the books. Yes, the actors have gotten better, as would only make sense with age and experience, but I wonder how great the films could have been with a different Director. Everybody's going to have their own opinion, but it seems like many are fawning over this latest as being "the Empire Strikes Back of the series", and "the best Potter ever", and I just don't get that. Then again, some of them have never read the books and really don't fully understand the intricacies of the story that developed throughout the series.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Also, what was up with the stupid dance scene?

    by elsachmo

    So, you leave out half of the book, veer from the story, leave out important details, but feel the need to add a dance scene in the middle that doesn't seem to make any sense? Everybody seems to be confused about this needless and pointless scene.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Sound a bit like The Key to Time

    by BBSloth

    from Doctor Who

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    They still make these wizard movies?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Jebus. That's ten years of wasted time right there.

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    god damn, people.

    by imascooby1985

    Is there anything in the world AICN talkbackers wont relentlessly talk shit about? Do you guys find enjoyment in anything?

  • Nov. 22, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Emma was great

    by imascooby1985

    But I thought Daniel and Rupert really pulled their fight scene off brilliantly. I remember thinking how awful that would have been if the scene took place in one of the first 3 or 4 movies.

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 12:30 a.m. CST

    damn dirty ape

    by belledame

    it does not look like a coincidence that harry finds the sword. as in the book, they can see clearly that someone put it in the lake and sent a patronus to draw harry to it so he would not know who had helped him. he and ron are both confused about the doe patronus... how much more deliberate could it be than that a patronus lands in front of him, then makes sure he's following as it leads him to a pond then descends into the water to illuminate the sword?

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Excellent. . .and about that sword. . .

    by wuchmee

    Fantastic adaptation. Kloves streamlined certain aspects of the book to accommodate the overall flow, but did NOT excise main story beats. Kudos to him for that. Everything was there except for an early scene involving the Dursleys. It in the film the main thrust was only quickly referenced. After seeing HPATDHP1, it entirely reinforced my opinion that splitting the final book into two movies was the right way to go. Where they split the book is interesting and justified, meaning Part 2 will be balls to the walls action interspersed with two MASSIVELY important quieter scenes. All three actors - Radcliffe, Watson and Grint - carried it, not any one of them. What got me was how much these actors have grown acting-wise to so effortlessly and thoroughly inhabit the three main roles. Oh yeah, about that sword in the lake thing. . .wait for Part 2 for an explanation. It'll be right out of the book. Remember, the sword's presence elicited much puzzlement on Harry's part as to how it got there at all.

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 6 a.m. CST

    oh yeah, and the director. . .

    by wuchmee

    This was by far David Yates's most assured outing as director. This one breathed and had spaces. The treatment that Half-Blood Prince got still rankles. You know, this whole series cries out for an Extended Edition treatment a la LOTR once Part 2 is out. So far, only nos. 1 and 2 have been released in extended forms.

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Is it as good as the Godzilla remake or Independance Day ?

    by Itchy

    We will never forget, chubby.

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Awful snoozefest unnecessarily splitted in 2

    by ricarleite2

    Hated this movie

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The dance scene is the single worst moment in the HP series

    by rainbowtrout1265

    The entire audience was laughing uncomfortably and giving WTF looks at each other. It stuck out like a really sore thumb.

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    imascooby 1985

    by elsachmo

    I like all of the HP movies, but I was just surprised at all the love this particular installment was getting since it's not that great, especially compared to the previous films. What really gets me is that almost everyone, including the actors themselves, seem to think that Prisoner of Azkaban was the best and most beautifully made of the series, so why did they decide to stick with David Yates for all of these last movies when his seem to be the worst of the series? And the dance scene? Worst moment in HP history, and it wasn't even in the books! What was this guy thinking? It didn't make any sense and was just silly. Lots of snickering in the theater.

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST



    I appreciate and enjoy this site but... Dude.. Why do you write like a 13 year old girl who needs her Ritalin. I mean come on man!

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    disagree about the dance scene

    by Magic01273

    Yes, it started out awkwardly - but I think it was meant to. It was an awkward moment. However as it played out it ended up being an extremely warm, touching moment</p> <p>And yes, that is the gayest thing anyone has said so far in this TB.</p> <p>And no - I don't care.</p>

  • Nov. 23, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    damn dirty ape

    by belledame

    i already explained it: a patronus pointedly arrived and lead harry to the sword. no one casts a patronus by accident and they do what the caster intends them to. clearly, the sender wishes to remain anonymous. walking right up to them when they were maintaining a constant vigil would have been too difficult. also, the issue of needing to dive in and retrieve the sword instead of the handy summoning charm (accio!) makes it clear that the sword has to be gained via an act of courage. the sword of gryffindor has to be earned through gryffindor qualities. i'll consider it when i go again next week. but it was pretty explicit to me.

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Look. It's the seventh film in the fucking franchise. If you like Potter, you are going to love it. If you have already made up your mind you don't like Potter, there is nothing for you here and move along. If you are undecided about Potter and generally go to take kids or accompany a partner that likes the movies, then this film will surprise you with how bleak it is and how you really get the measure of the desperation of Harry's circumstances and Voldermort's brutality and probably make you feel that it is worth seeing the final one next summer.<p> And thats it.

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    damn dirty ape

    by belledame

    no one who hasn't followed either the films or the books should be seeing this. if they do, they deserve to be confused. anyone who has followed the story knows the tremendous will it takes to cast a patronus from stories #3 -7. even the wedding scene and ministry scenes show the casting of patronuses earlier in this movie. <p></p> further, ron doesn't easily retrieve the sword. he first - bravely - rescues harry from drowning. a gryffindor qualifier performed by a true gryffindor. ron is worthy of claiming the sword and destroying the locket. it's his part in the collective fate of this war.

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the

    by LiquidHotMagma

    staring blankly into space for three hours

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Did Anyone Else Feel Emotion

    by LiquidHotMagma

    when a minor character from 5 movies showed up halfway through and then died? Me neither, what an atrocious film.

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    The Dance Scene

    by MattmanReturns

    Was the ONLY moment in the entire movie when I smiled, or really felt any kind of emotion at all. Everything else made me feel like I SHOULD feel something... but I didn't. Like when Dobby died, I thought, "I should be really sad right now..."

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    rainbowtrout1265, the worst moment is

    by MattmanReturns

    actually from the best movie: "BUCKBEAK'S BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH!!"

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    damn_dirty_ape & belledame.....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    You two queers should pull out each others wands and just start fuckin. Arguing about Harry Potter is liking arguing about which type of condom you prefer when having a threesome with your parents.

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Stop using the "character development" excuse

    by starlesswinter7

    How do the character "develop" during the camping section? They're no different from before. Hermione still loves Ron, Ron still loves Hermione. Harry isn't anymore confident about anything. Even after Ron leaves, he comes right back and everything returns to normal with the friendships. Even when the three of them argue and fight, it's blamed on the evil of the locket - not on any conscious character choice. Just because characters are sitting around and talking while the plot stops, it doesn't mean there is any real development happening.

  • Nov. 24, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    damn dirty ape

    by belledame

    dude, we cannot fall out over a civil exchange. we are simply disagreeing here. i'm pretty sure i keep answering your question. your demand for "specific cuts" is a little odd. it's not like i have a dvd to refer to. but i'll try again: <p></p> ron bravely rescues harry, by rescuing harry. the fact that you don't see who it is until afterward doesn't make it any less brave. you see someone drowning and jump in. that is a brave act. you know that ron dove in and pulled harry out b/c you harry struggling under the ice in a classic ice drowning pattern: he could not find the hole through which he entered the pond so he could surface and draw a breath. obviously ron dove in and dragged him back up and out of the water - we see ron walking across the ice as harry panics. <p></p> how would anyone who has seen the films know that gryffindor's sword has to be won through bravery or other acts particular to all gryffindors: by watching the "chamber of secrets" in which dumbledore explains that only a true gryffindor could have pulled that sword out of the sorting hat - which fawkes the phoenix brought to harry after he loyally defended dumbledore as the greatest wizard who ever lived (or something like that). hermione reasserts this to some degree in the will-reading scene with scrimgeour. <p></p> the wedding and snape's comment: this is answered in my original reference: a patronus arrives in the middle of the wedding warning everyone that the ministry has fallen, scrimgeour is dead and the death eaters are coming. the weasley's farm was protected with everything both the order of the phoenix and the ministry could give it. once the ministry was taken over their enchantments were removed and the bad guys - who must have been staking the place out anyway - could move in. it's safe to say that the order of the phoenix's enchantments were not enough on their own. <p></p> i'll be offline on Thanksgiving. If you're in the States, have a great holiday.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Totally Different Perspective

    by ConeSpinner

    Ok, so bear with me here. I have never seen any of the previous Potter films, nor have I read a single book. I was a virgin....much like Harry Potter himself, no doubt. Last night my girlfriend brought me along to meet some of her friends and see the movie. Just figured you folks would be interested in a fresh, unbiased in any way perspective. So, aside from the fact that I had no fucking clue what was going on most of the time, it wasn't bad. Sure, I didn't know what the fuck anyone was talking about at any point. I think there was some magic in there, I know there were some spells, and I am pretty sure there was a weird troll thing. Was it gay? Absolutely. Did I have a bad time? No, my girlfriend paid for my ticket and I got to see an extended Tron Legacy trailer. Some dude next to me was snoring through half the movie. Just out cold, snoring. His wife would wake him up every couple minutes to tell him he was snoring, then the dude would just pass back out again. Who does that at a theater? What a goon. The movie wasn't THAT bad. ---Minor Spoiler from last Harry Potter movie ahead-------- For a second I got excited because they showed Gandalf (looking JUST like Gandalf too) and I was like: "Cool, Gandalf is in this". Then it turns out he died in the last one and isn't in the movie at all. What a kick in the marbles that was. Only dude I recognized except for Hans from Die Hard who is in the movie for like 2 seconds and doesn't even fall to his death in super slow motion. The British accents are a bit tough to follow sometimes, when they start talking really fast. Also, every time someone cast a spell, they yelled something right as a huge sound effect went off, making it impossible to hear whatever random words they were saying. Couple of cool action scenes, a LOT of wizardry/potions/flying/Britishness, which is all good. That being said, when the movie ends, it just ends out of nowhere. I was like: "Seriously? That's it?". It was like ending The Shawshank Redemption with the warden discovering the hole behind the poster of the hot chick. Which would have been retarded. Overall rating: 3.5 Stars (On a scale of 1 to 8) --From the guy who knew nothing about Harry Potter and now knows a tiny bit more than nothing about Harry Potter.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Still gay

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit, who could read that???

    by ConeSpinner

    My bad. I'll use paragraphs next time. First time I posted anything longer than 2 sentences on this site. See, I can do it

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit, who could read that???

    by ConeSpinner

    My bad. I'll use paragraphs next time. First time I posted anything longer than 2 sentences on this site. See, I can do it

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Double-post....not my day

    by ConeSpinner

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    It wasnt great, but it was good

    by hitchcockintheziplock

    Was a faithful adaptation to the book. Probably one of the more faithful, since the first 2. There is no way that the events of the 7th book could have fit into one 2 and a half hours film, so that decision was a good one. Not a cash grab, but if that was the case, then they would have just stuck the shitty 3d that they already had prepared for this film, and just pushed it out there. Instead they will make sure the 3d is optimized, and rerelease during next summer. They will inevitably make more money from this, but I still don't see it as a cash grab. I think most fans of HP are glad to see it split into 2, and really, at this point in HP history, it IS all about the fans. Anyways, besides being faithful to the book, this was also one of the more magical HP films since Goblet. Nearly every spell the kids have learned over the years is used, and to great clarity.And this time it;s not jsut kids standing around, casting spells with no consequences. It's mostly purposeful. I swear the people who make these films need to travel to Hollywood, to show them how cgi is done correctly. From dragon cycles spewing fire, patronus charms taking the shapes of their masters wills, and even full on cgi characters like dobby look real (specially in his climactic scene. looked like it was animatronic, and harry was really holding him.) I think the 3 young actors have really come a long way, and it definitely shows with their acting in this film. Lots of tension b/t the mains, and it was very believable. This film was about those 3, and so it was not a disappointment to hear of off screen deaths, or things of that sort. Again, in regards to the book, I think that was a very faithful adaptation. There were a few things I didn't care for, such as Harry not being as angsty as he is compared to the story. He's a very emotional boy. He has regrets, and doubts. The movie did an OK job of portraying that angst in the other characters, but not so much in Harry. Also, more of those Voldemort/Harry mind connection scenes should have been used, in the same way that Half-Blood Prince film should have used more pensive scenes. I mean when Harry returns to Godric's Hallow.... That's one of the most nail biting scenes in the book, but It didn't have quite the same effect in the movie, and I don't just mean the climax of it, although I really wanted the mind connection for that part specifically. And I really don't know how they could have ended it differently, but I'm just not a fan of abrupt endings like that. I was a little put off by the dursley exclusion (because it was a great, emotional sequence in the book), but really, this film was not just about Harry, but Ron and Hermoine as well, and I think they just wanted to show that from the start of the film. I'm a huge fan of the movies, more so than the books, excluding the 7th, and this ranks above Prisoner for me. Really Prisoner isn't even my favorite, but I do realize that it does the best job out of all the Potter films, of bring the story, and spectacle of the books to film. Until Now.There were a few pleasant surprises like the locket attack in the icewater, and the animation sequence. And also some spot on translations of scenes from the book, like the coffee shop fight near the beginning. But then there were some things they completely 180d, like Hermoine, and Harry even having a relationship after Ron left. That dance scene was awkward, I'll admit. When this movie ended 2 and a half hours after it started, I stood up thinking only like an hour or so had passed, and that I wanted to sit there so much longer and enjoy so much more HP goodness. Damn_dirty_ape, I can vouche for belladame, and his info regarding the sword of gryffindor is correct. Even if you haven't read the books, it does give you access to that info from the films. If you go into part 7 without seeing any of the movies at all, and want to criticize it's plot holes, and lack of info, well..... I dunno (not saying you did any of that) Starlesswinter7, you kidding me? Are you telling me that all three of the mains showed no change in emotion the entire film. I highly disagree, and in the VERY least, Hermoine's character showed excellent development.When Ron leaves, he doesn't "come right back,and everything returns to normal with the friendships" I watched the movie too, and that definitely doesn't happen, although they DO become friends again, because that's just the choice they chose to make. To remain friends. Maybe you would have done something different out there on your own? Geez, I think I got it all out. I'm passionate about all the wrong things lol.... *sigh*

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST


    by hitchcockintheziplock

    I swear I put that in paragraphs :/

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    The Ministry has banned paragraphs, orders of Lord Voldemort. You need to know the magic charm.<p> Like that.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    That's how Mad-Eye died in the book.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Off "screen" as it were. That's how Rowling wrote it. And, frankly, Moody was not as interesting and important a character in the books (except during Goblet, but that wasn't even the real Mad-Eye throughout the book) as he became in the movies. The reason is that Brendan Gleeson did a magnificent job with the character, and he became something of a fan favorite. I know he's my favorite MOVIE HP character. I do think, however, that Yates was too faithful to the book in this regard. Because Mad-Eye did become a fan favorite, you can't kill him off the same way as in the book. SPOILER ALERT: I hope that he gives more emotional oomph to when Fred dies.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Strip Avatar of its technical wizardy, and it is a shit film.

    by Hesiod2k7

    Fanboys are the most shallow fuckers on planet Earth. You are worse than the preteens who flock to the Twilight Movies to see Taylor Lautner's abs. Avatar was a simplistic, piece of shit, preachy plot. The acting, except for exactly TWO character, was absolute shit. What made that movie were the special effects and the immersive 3-D.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST

    The most interesting scene in Avatar, BTW...

    by Hesiod2k7

    ...was Stephen Lang's brilliant scene where he's drinking a cup of coffee as if it's just another day at the office while he takes down the mother tree. But, aside from Lang's and Sigourney Weaver's performances, the rest of the movie was crapily acted. The comparison with the Potter films is glaring. I mean, you have Maggie Snith, Brendan Gleeson, John Hurt, Michael Gambon, Bill Nighy, Helena Bonham-Carter, Robbie Coltrane, David Thewlis, and so on.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    like I kinda sad

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by starlesswinter7

    No, I'm not kidding. Of course the trio showed changes in emotion, but that does not equate real development - it's just a variety of moods. To develop is to move forward or backward in character. How are they changing as characters in this film? They're not. As Hermione says, "I'm always angry with him." There you are: ALWAYS. Ron and Hermione constantly bicker, although the audience knows they love each other. Harry/Ron sometimes fight, but then they go right back to being friends. Harry/Hermione have always been good friends. Yadda yadda. Same old stuff.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Ron looks like a ginger faggot

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I wish that dude would die in real life.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    the Epcot comment was fucking brilliant! Epic in fact... funniest thing I have read around here in a very long time. Respect!

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    the Epcot comment was fucking brilliant! Epic in fact... funniest thing I have read around here in a very long time. Respect!

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Speakin' of ginger fairies...

    by Al Swearengen

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse is a braided-cunt cocksucker.<P>And by that, I mean he swallows the prick of the equine.

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    ...thanks, gringostar...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...of course, this probably makes us gay lovers in MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse's head.<P> It's fine, but I kinda wish he wouldn't describe his inner life in such vivid detail...

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST out, Al...

    by FlickaPoo know what happens if you tangle with MJ. He starts posting pics of himself and challenging you to mud wrestling and shit...

  • Nov. 25, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Al Swearengen & FlickaPoo

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Two of America's most wanted pedophiles! What are you two out of shape pieces of shit up to these days? Still acting like a couple of deranged sociopaths I see. Well I hope ya'll die in your sleep tonight after aggressively fucking each other one last time. Happy Thanksgiving ya little pussies. Oh and uh Al....let's be honest...we both know that you're a spinless unfunny 18 year old bitch... You can't hide it. It oozes out of every one of your posts. And're just a nigger, you can take that how ever you want...just know that I mean it.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, midnight CST

    I usually don't use such vulgar hateful words

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    like the n-word....but those two guys are the lowest froms of life. Human filth in their purest forms. I don't think either is black, hell Im betting that they aren't, but that word can really drive home the hate....and I do hate them....just like their parents do.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    So just like .....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    AsimovLives, DA-CHOPPAH, Cobra-Kai, Continenatlop, etc....and every other AICN douche bag to take a swipe at the greatest troll ever....ya'll came up a few inches short ...and I'm not just talking about your dicks

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    oh and....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    forgive the's not the spelling that counts, it's the hate behind the words

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    by Al Swearengen

    Deranged sociopaths, huh? You still don't know who the fuck you're dealing with do ya? Now, that's funny.<P>The world abounds in cunt of every kind...including yours. Difference is, you're just barely startin' to make this fuckin' interesting.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' Al Swearengen

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    same response everytime. You're fuckin lame dude. And yes I do know whom I'm dealing internet pussy named Al Swearengen

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' Al Swearengen or do you prefer

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Al Fuckin' Swearengen ....or how about Al Swearengen Fuckin'...or better yet Fuckin' Al Swearengen is a fuckin' dildo

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I see that you're using the "N-word" now, huh?

    by Al Swearengen

    What a type you must consort with...that you not fear beating for such an insult.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    And if it's not the hate behind the words...

    by Al Swearengen

    then it must be the smell of cat's piss. Lyin' and cowardice causes cat piss smell. And make no're posts reek like a limp prick coward whose just been assfucked by a horse.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:40 a.m. CST

    You do know who you're dealin' with?

    by Al Swearengen

    Well, pray tell! Let's hear it. Who the fuck do you think you're dealin' with?<P>Think hard now. Cause unless you work for Hearst or those Pinkerton cocksuckers, I seriously doubt you have a fuckin' clue.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Al Swearengen

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I mostly hang with your mother and female relatives. I certainly don't fear you. And as I stated before, there was no racial indignity behind it...but please. This is coming from a guy who tells people to suck horse you're such an upstanding guy. Now fuck off faggot.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST


    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    you're a tool....are you beating off to this conversation?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST


    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    you're a tool....are you beating off to this conversation?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Talkback fuckin' indignities...

    by Al Swearengen

    are about all I've seen from your fuckin' heathen posts. I've tossed men to Wu's pigs for considerable fuckin' less.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST


    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    You're the first hardcore Deadwood fan I have ever met! You must live in a basement with your parents

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    You don't fear me?

    by Al Swearengen

    Sure you do. If I made a pass with my blade, you'd be scared worse and a long time dyin'.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST

    so uh....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    do you have anymore horse cock jokes?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    a blade?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    why not your six shooter there deputy

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Hey, where's flickashit?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    he needs to get in on this too

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I see you must have used that Google...

    by Al Swearengen

    to find out just who you're fuckin' dealin' with. I hear it works faster than the Yellow Bird. Must come in handy for ignorant fuckin' cocksuckers such as yourself.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    No no no!!!

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Stay in character you piece of shit. This is the 1870s and I'm the horse thief and you're playing...the horse cock

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    You got anymore "N-word" jokes?

    by Al Swearengen

    Or do you just like shittin' your own pants in front of everyone on the Ain't It Cool Thoroughfare here, huh?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    now stick to the script

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Don't say N-word....

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    This is the 1870s and Negro is the preferred term of the era

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' BrainDrain

    by Al Swearengen

    Shut the fuck up, huh?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    lol, this is too funny

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST


    by Al Swearengen

    Jesus Christ.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    do you prefer Sheriff instead?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    how about horse rustler

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:59 a.m. CST

    or horse cock rustler

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 12:59 a.m. CST

    there's always horse cock rustler thief

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    and horse cock rustler thief deputy marshal

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1 a.m. CST

    What's funny is watching a cocksucker...

    by Al Swearengen

    such as yourself, try to squirm out of acknowledging his hateful use of the "N-fuckin'-word" by referring the fuckin' eras and the like.<P>Who do you think your foolin' with your racist and homophobic dribble? Brain Drain?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Al Swearengen = Nigger

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:01 a.m. CST

    whoops....did I say that?

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I win again

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    You mean, you still can't figure it out?!

    by Al Swearengen

    Brain Drain ain't no Johnny fuckin' Burns...but at least he could put that fuckin' puzzle together.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    how about horse cock rustler nigger thief deputy

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    just say when Fuckin' Al Swearengen

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    just say "uncle"

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:07 a.m. CST

    gotta go ya'll

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    it's past my bed time

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    That's right, MJ.

    by Al Swearengen

    Say the word again. Say it like you mean it. Say it like it's your sermon. Say it so that every fuckin' hooplehead here can see just what a low life cowardly cocksucker you really are.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Al Swearengen = Fag of Deadwood

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Now go away....just like your show did

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' BrainDrain

    by Al Swearengen

    I only let whores fuck my face. I'd gladly let one of mine do you the same courtesy. That is if you can afford the pussy.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' Tron Legacy

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    fuck Al right in his ass

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    by Al Swearengen

    Piles givin' you trouble? I thought it was your fuckin' bed time.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' can't sleep

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I keep thinking about fuckin' your face

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Are you a whore then, MJ?

    by Al Swearengen

    Have you fucked for food?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    just your mom

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I fucked her...and then she gave me food....and then I gave her a fat meaty chili dog

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Well, if'n that ain't the worst retort I've fuckin' seen!

    by Al Swearengen

    Mother jokes and talks of decorative excrement. You are, clearly, a boring and useless cocksucker.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST


    by hitchcockintheziplock

    I don't get what you want exactly from this though. It's already clear that these characters flip flop in emotions throughout the film, and that does count as some development. Ultimately, the main character are just "good" so they just move on. If that happened to voldemort, he would most likely (not most likely, but surely) abandon his friends, becasue he is "evil". That's jsut how it works in this universe, you can chose to accept it, or whine about it. Now in the terms of the way you described character development, I look at it completely different. I look at the series as a whole, and realize that although it is very easy to develop a character of 7 films, they do develop, in very recognizable, relatable ways. Humbled, excited Harry, slowly molds into the subdued, mellowed Harry we see today, through numerous dangerous adventures, and the pressure of being the chosen one. Snobby, know it all Hermoine actually became the sweet, helpful, and slightly emotional girl we see now, from her dangerous adventures as well, as having to protect two boys. And the Dirty, lowly Ron Weasly has become basically a cocky, cynical prick towards anything that doesn't involve Hermoine. Kind of a reversal of roles for those two from series start, to end. Anyways, that's how I prefer to look at it, but I still think Deathly Hallows in particular had some good development. I think this film is more about the main 3's development as a whole (through their actual acting abilities, and through the story). NEVER have all 3 of them been angry enough to not speak to one another at the same time. They all feel alone, and betrayed by one another, and yet they must love and trust each other enough to know that it can't be done that way. A theme played out in the order of the phoenix movie too, but this time done much more subtly, and effectively. Anyways, that's how I feel. Question though... If Ron has always been tormented by the thought that Harry and Hermoine might like each other secretly..... then isn't the fact that he finally got over that called "Character Development"?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 7 a.m. CST



  • Nov. 26, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Swearengen does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Al, leave the runt alone.<p> MJs_cold_corpse has had to go through life a little man. I've seen a picture of the short-ass and he's probably been bullied. A LOT.<p> Mind you, he's the sort of runty cunt that you couldn't even hit with your fist cos it would kill him and you'd be done for manslaughter. Although when the cops went round MJs hovel and found all his pedo porn they'd probably give you a medal rather than arrest you.<p>

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    ...MJ, I worry about your lifestyle...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I believe that it's all fair game, as long as everyone involved is happy and fulfilled, but you were already being hate-fucked by at least three or four people...why did you have to try to get Asi, CHOPPAH, and Conti involved? I worry that even too much could never be enough for you...that the stretched, gaping hole in your life can never be filled.<P> You bring it up all the time, so I know you have ambitions of being the greatest power-bottom in AICN history, but I think you should try out a loving, stable relationship with one person for a while. Just try it. <P> Of course, if that one person happens to have a mule or small horse...and if the animal is otherwise well cared for...and if you and your partner decide to get the poor beast...involved...on weekends and special occasions...I don't think anyone her will judge you. Especially considering your history here in Talkback.<P> Oh, and before you jump to conclusions, no...I'm not volunteering to be that one special mule owning person in your life. In fact, I think I should try to avoid you in the future. Your attachment strikes me as unhealthy. <P> Good luck in your future...uh, endeavors,<P> F

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai still doesn't exist

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    don't be crazy little girl, we both know I can crush your little body. I think you forget sometimes that we can meet and see uh ...who the bigger man really is. Come on Cobra-Kai...don't let the internet stop you from a real life beating ya little queer

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Uh hmmm. Remember my little niglet, I'm the most hated troll on here. You and fuckin' Al faggot & Cobra-Cunt just reinforced that. Look at my talkback posts, I came in here to start a fight....not talk about Harry uh....I guess I'm succeding in my Godless endeavors....and I thank you for your (weak) contributions. I'm not here from friends, I have thse in real life unlike most of you. I'm just here to spread hate.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST can't keep a good Troll down

    by MJs_Corpse_Rises_Again

    Fuck You

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the

    by LiquidHotMagma

    Crazy Cloud Sex

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the

    by LiquidHotMagma

    Bad Guy is Death from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter and

    by LiquidHotMagma

    You're Supposed to Care When a Minor Character from Five Movies Ago Dies, Part 1

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I've never gotten

    by macheesmo3

    why so many talkbackers feel the need to just piss on everything someone else likes..... Ya know, you can have a healthy , vigorous debate without just being a wannabe hipster and hating EVERYTHING! I really wish that everyone had to post their age next to their handle on here..... I think it would explain a whole hell of a lot. (just for the record, I'm 37 " get off my lawn you damn kids!!!!" lol)

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    who was the snake lady?

    by LiquidHotMagma

    So many things like this didn't make sense to people who didn't read the books. This movies don't stand alone as movies, they're really just supplementary to the books. But since everyone in the world has read them I guess that's ok. And Macheesmo I'm 24.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    <p>*the sound of a runt being flushed down the toilet*<p> Hahahahahhhahahaa!<p> Who got the last laugh motherfucker.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Open the window. Squirt of cleaning liquid. There.<p> All those dirty little posts gone. Like they never even existed.

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    by FlickaPoo

    < P >

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Yes Cobra-Kai...tell us again who got the last laugh

    by Cobra_Kai_is_a_Little_Pussy_Faggot_Bitch

    You small dicked queer. You're right about me being a motherfucker too, just ask your mommy. So what's up now faggot, you gonna hit me with some more Dojo jokes?

  • Nov. 26, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai molests children in this dojo

    by Cobra_Kai_is_a_Little_Pussy_Faggot_Bitch


  • Nov. 26, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST


    by Cobra_Kai_is_a_Little_Pussy_Faggot_Bitch

    ...waiting on your mouth to be around my cock head

  • Nov. 27, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    the snake lady...

    by belledame

    was bathilda bagshot, author of "a history of magic" the book harry picked up in sirius' house. harry convinced hermione to go to godric's hollow b/c he thought this lady - who had known dumbledore all his life - might have the gryffindor sword. he even asked her if she was bathilda.

  • Nov. 27, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Can we have a Protest Wahlberg for Drake thread?

    by dead youngling

    When we could have Fillion. Doesn't take a genius to put this together, especially since he wanted the role.

  • Nov. 28, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Snake lady's house..

    by floggy bottom

    Why did her rundown old house have, for no apparent reason, a completely modern child's room in it?

  • Nov. 29, 2010, 4:08 a.m. CST

    floggy bottom

    by belledame

    i have no idea. it completely baffled me. for a second i thought they'd burst through the wall into the adjacent house.

  • Nov. 30, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    A little moderation maybe?

    by elsachmo

    They should remove all these flame posts so that normal people could actually have discussions about a film on the site.

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Moderation? on this joke of a site, you gotta be joking

    by bongo123

  • Dec. 1, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST

    This is where movie haters & dickheads hang out

    by bongo123

  • Dec. 2, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    elsachmo & bongo123



  • Dec. 2, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Hater of these books/movies don't matter

    by Jaka

    That's one of the joys of being a fan, I think. There are so many people who DO get it, so may people who you know love the world as much as you that it's really easy to just brush off the hate. My favorites are still the people who go on and on about "kids books yadda yadda yadda", but they still haven't read a single word. Genius.

  • Dec. 12, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Hater's in denial here...I suspect

    by Curudin

  • Jan. 16, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    From the lover of Potter books...

    by Jungle Fish

    Couldn't have said it better myself. Well, since I've read all the books multiple times, maybe I could. But I agree with your assertions all the way. The movies are great. Waiting for Azkaban to hit the theaters was what drove me to the books in the first place. So I am incapable of denying their splendor. And this may well be the best of the lot thus far. I enjoyed your review, and I'm glad you're having such a good time riddling out these mysteries. The novels are immeasurably better, though. You should never abstain from wonderful things. ;)

  • Jan. 27, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Harry Potter...etc., etc., etc..

    by Kevin Egan

    This is director David Yates’ best contribution to the Harry Potter film series so far. He not only added some effective touches to the existing story (especially during the opening ten minutes), but also made other modifications that seem bizarre in today’s world of fast-paced, uber-edited, super-violent action movies. Still, though it’s every bit... READ MORE at "Reel" Film Reviews for Real Moviegoers

  • March 11, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Sequence with the radio reports

    by proevad

    is masterful. Just watched the film again and that whole sequence is rather stunning.