Nov. 16, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST
Poor guy never really caught a break did he?
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST
It's been "the darkest one yet!!1" since movie three, yet they've never really lived up to that promise. I suppose they are for children.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST
If you were eight when the first film came out, you'd more than likely be eighteen by the time their finished!
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST
There's a scene where Lord Voldemort tortures Hermione for information about Harry's location.<p> I thought sodomizing her with those wands was really, really pushing it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST
... but as I am getting pulled to see this movie with a friend, something tells me I am going to enjoy it for its darker, more dismal tone.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:30 a.m. CST
Yates' work on the last one was exemplary. There was artistically composed shots in that film. At the very least they're introducing a new generation to proper film-making. Hollywood has all but obliterated the language of film from the minds of movie goers and as a result we accept any old shaky-cam crap as 'cinema'. Good on the 'Potter' franchise I say.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
with characters starting out as kids and finishing as adults... I don't have to love these movies to appreciate the scale of the enterprise.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST
The first 2 are ok but Chris Columbus' direction was flat and uninspired, but from Prisoner of Azkaban, I thought the series really took off. The films looked better, the young cast were better and the scripts were better. Looking forward to this.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST
Seriously. He's the Jar Jar Binks of the whole series.
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST
I know I'm being a bitch but you guys suck at spelling, grammar, and just about everything related to writing.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST
Harry Potter wins in the end. People with lives didn't give a fuck.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST
I guess those un-fuck-giving "people with lives" were too busy nitpicking the spelling errors in an obscure review about a movie they fail to give a fuck about, in order to give a fuck about said movie.</p> Gotta love the complete lack of self-awareness there.</p>
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST
by jasper Stillwell
It's getting old. Needs a 'revisioning'.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST
His is the best remaining reviewing and writing talent left on the site. Glad about the muggle murder at the beginning still being there. But can anyone confirm if a certain feathered friend still takes one for the team. I've seen some photos online that suggest that they baulked at that particular death. Don't know why. The book is like the end of The Godfather in terms of bodycount.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:06 a.m. CST
She's 20 now for gawds sake and if you've seen the photos from the premiere you'll know she merits a sprained wrist. Just to rub it in to the yanks she's been 'ok' to crack one off to for 4 years here in the UK rather than the 2 you guys have been allowed to. Not that I'm condoning such behaviour you understand....
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:10 a.m. CST
Careful, you're talking about a Daywalker. You can't trust them.
Nov. 16, 2010, 4:15 a.m. CST
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Nov. 16, 2010, 4:48 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
As the films continue to raise their game, the people who keep writing them off as 'average' are looking more and more ridiculous. I totally get that this kind of thing may not be your bag - but to deny the craftsmanship and ambition in the movies is just silly.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5 a.m. CST
Like the December releases of the LOTR movies or the regular Bond flick (sadly irregular now), the HP movies have become quite an appreciated staple in my movie going year.<p> They always deliver decent well-crafted entertainment, and glad to hear (in Quint's view at least) that this new one is no different. Although I did notice that he's not claiming it's the best of the series so far or anything particularly hyperbolic... so more of the same?
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST
Seriously Quint. Get a fucking word processor or SOMETHING. A proof reader. A spell check. SOMETHING.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST
Gonna be hard to beat!
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST
...and my rates are reasonable. I mean, seriously. This isn't a high school newspaper. Get your professional acts together. It's humiliating.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:14 a.m. CST
It's never planned. My nephews are big fans and and i'm just in a space where I don't mind them - they entertain me but never overwhelmingly so - but to date i've ended up watching the first, Azkaban and Order Of The Phoenix while babysitting. I might aswell watch the last few after OOTP, since the ending of that promised alot of shitstorm yet to come. I could do without anymore of that quidditch malarkey though. Someone make Imajica into a film series already!
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:26 a.m. CST
anything else mentioned by a lot of talkbackers. "Trust me, you'll like this one. It's nothing but miserable hopelessness through and through, with morbid death scenes, a complete lack of joy, and unending agony." "Oh, ya don't say! Well, then, I'll have to give this movie about wizard school a shot, then! Awesome!"
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST
BUT not because of Ms. Rowling. She is an OK writer at best who (in my opinion) took some of the most successful elements of Harry Potter from a few way more talented authors. All artists borrow from the same inspirational stew but I find it very hard to believe that she did not lift off of Vertigo's Books of Magic and the character Tim Hunter. Coincidence that Warner's owns both Harry Potter's film rights and The Books of Magic? There goes your smoking gun. The lowly comic book doesn't do a whole lot for Warner's bottom line but these 7 (well 8 if you count this latest 2 part cash grab) HP books are a guaranteed billion dollars plus each. She's like the long, lost Wachowski sister. The book covers should read "Re-packaged and made more popular by J.K. Rowling". The above shouldn't detract from the movies though. You cannot fault these actors who are really doing an amazing job, or masters like John Williams who have really breathed life into these potentially dull adaptations.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST
big surprise! it's called a press junket. it's called selling the new product. didn't she say that about EVERY movie?
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST
How come there's no sound?
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST
Since someone was asking.. yeah the body count racks up early, a certain feathered friend is dispatched on screen, and a certain other person is dispatched with just a word off screen.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST
But it's available for download elsewhere.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST
In my opinion the movies have been going downhill since Goblet of Fire, Order of the Phoenix was better than Goblet, but not by much, and Half Blood Prince really didn't do much for me either....waaaaay to many things left out like the battle for the school at the end and more on the Voldy backstory. Here's hoping these last two flicks are actually solid, but I will be waiting for the blu ray.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST
compared to the other, more accurate TB a few spaces down on the main page. Ok, so lets make the checklist: does Gambon play Dumbledore as manic, sweaty, and spazzy? Is there an overwhelming amount of teenage romance that no one cares about and goes nowhere? Do they cut major scenes from the book (Dumbledore's funeral.....wait, DUMBLEDORE'S FUNERAL?!!?!) and play other ones all wrong? (Snape's conversational "Oh, and by the way, FYI, I'm the half blood prince, just thought you should, ya know, know"). Do they continue to remove virtually all action set pieces from the books (HBP's completely awesome invasion of Hogwarts) and botch the ones they bother to leave in? Has Michael Gambon actually, you know, BOTHERED TO READ THE BOOKS yet? Sounds like yet another post POA both job on film, yayyyyyyy!!!
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST
..where a boy ACTUALLY named Harry Potter, whose mother has just died- moves into an apartment complex and he's given a wand and mentored by a good witch on how to defeat a Troll (now evil and transformed, that used to be her husband) intent on comming back and transforming the world.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST
What is it with our obsession with stories that get darker? Does that somehow make it more mature or adult? Do we just get off on negativity and sadness? Whats up with that?
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST
botch job, not both
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST
Jesus...Quint Did you let Harry edit this review while he had a double bacon cheeseburger and his flaccid penis in the other ?
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST
I really can't pick out any defining element to make any one of them stand out from the other. I've watched every single one in theaters. They are forgettable and derivative of eachother. Was there any real reason there had to be SEVEN books? Feels stretched beyond recognition.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
Because fucking Yates really did murdered and omitted some of the best parts of the books and fucking killed the ending in the Half Blood Prince.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:54 a.m. CST
...it's dark, dark, dark alright, due to the atrocious blueish 'color-grading' that seems to have infected just about every modern movie nowadays. Going by the trailers, it looks nothing like the first colorful instalment for instance, which was easy on the eyes. Like too many others, later instalments took on a 'tinted' look which just ends up making EVERYTHING dark and murky, no matter the subject.<P>These 'tint'-jobs look dreadful most of the time, and is a trend that sucks the life out of the visuals nowadays!
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST
Or is that not the case? Though he still gets respect like mentioned for even having an eye to locate these kids, and I'm sure dude is pretty proud to see what they've become.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:56 a.m. CST
Harry likes Twilight also. Potter Movies are boring as all fuck. The kids CANT ACT the stories suck and the pacing of the movies is tedious. It’s a cultural phenomenon sure, but so is Twilight. These days “Cultural” phenomenons are bought and paid for by the companies that flog them. Both have NOTHING to offer adults for entertainment. They are KIDS movies/Books they are in no way family movies. Celebrities can praise the hell out of it all they want, its industry politics plain and simple. Stephen King would want to get his tongue out of J.K.s arse because he is rrrrreally starting to piss his fans off with his out of nowhere shameless plugs of this ripped off shit.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST
by Darth Waldo
Artax dies in the Swamp of Sadness in The Never Ending Story, not Legend. And if the film is that dark, could you compare it more to Empire Strikes Back than Artax sinking in a swamp? Sounds like a total (in a good way) "evil is winning" downer.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:29 a.m. CST
Really?.....Really????.....Really???????????? Just kidding Quint, nice review!
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST
If any of the Harry Potter movies were prentiously bad as well as boring as hell, it was that one. Yes, it looks beautiful and thats about it. The first two were great and the fifth one was pretty tight. Half Blood Prince was almost as bad as Prisoner, but it had a little bit more action and was important. Curious about this one, yet I am so bored about everything needs to be dark, dark by fanboys that I might skip it and wait for the finale. Also, the giant complaint about the person dying in this film was the giant complaint in the book that needed to be fixed instead having a dance off.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST
They should have been doing this from Book 4 and up -- heck even book 3 might have worked a tad better. All the films, with the exception of 5 have been magnificent. Order of Phoenix was the weakest and still worked on many levels. It was too fast and skimmed over too much necessary to help the flow of the narrative. Half Blood Prince took it back on track -- and it sounds like the final 2 films are going to blow us all away. This was my favorite of the books mostly because it deviated from the structure of the first six and the hopelessness fully rang true to me. Glad to see the movie is appropriately dark.
Nov. 16, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST
Besides the fact that you couldn't actually see most of the last film because it was just fucking too dark? Or is that what they are talking about, that it's physically hard to see on the screen?
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST
He's citing three different scenes in three different movies. Don't feel bad, it took me a couple of reads as well.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST
I'm not all that interested in seeing this, so I guess the hype has failed me. I read the entire book series, and to me the most disappointing book is the last one. The dopey illogical romantic hookup between Ron and Hermione was the major turnoff, but Rowling's killing everyone of interest off was the final blow. Plus the Half-Blood Prince movie was a dull dire P.O.S. The only Rowling character I can stand anymore is Snape - or Snape as he's played onscreen by the incredible Alan Rickman. So pass, thank you very much.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST
Seriously, how pitiful is that?
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST
really, after POA and GOF, the two best of the series. He delivers the turd OOTP. And then when he tries to redeem himself with HBP, he cuts out the major confrontation at the end. Hello, the story has been propelling itself to the battle of hogwart's for how many books. Way to fuck us in the ass and not even have the god damn common courtesy to give us a reach around.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST
I type like Quint
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST
just like in the book. It's a real slog to sit through. The beginning and ending of DH1 are strong, but that middle section is boring, boring, boring.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:42 a.m. CST
by sam jacksons wig
...and I am unashamedly a huge fan. As a cinematic spectacle they have hit the mark time after time after time. <br><br> Sure, we've had some clunk during the journey- not less than Chris Columbus following the books verbatim which led me to worry slightly about this penultimate installment, but the kids have grown and we are in safer hands with Yates than with Columbus (see Percy Jackson, a blatant LETS DO ANOTHER HUGE FRANCHISE if there ever was one.)
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST
a nitpick from me... the marauder's map was made by sirius, harry's father, LUPIN and wormtail. his mom had nothing to do with it.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
by sam jacksons wig
Have you seen the movie? It hasn't opened yet.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST
by sam jacksons wig
His mom made the tea while it was being made.
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST
Frankly the last couple of films have felt like the series is just treading water to get to the big finale. So it better be a damned good payoff!
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST
's wig. Possibly... Anyway love the books, think the movies are meh (Cuaron's is the best by far) hoping the last two are good
Nov. 16, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
former master's arse in the other movie and I liked his appearance and voice too.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST
Yes they're well made but completely vacuous, and the three child leads are incredibly annoying. Azkaban was pretty good fun, the rest - not so much.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST
I know I'm going against the grain here, but to me they're still the most magical. They treated magic with a sense of awe. <P> The rest (as many have already said) are just tedious and a blur, storywise. I think this could easily have been a great quadrilogy. It just seems stretched out so much to the point that it's hard to care about any of the characters (there are too many of them to focus on) and quite frankly Harry's self-importance is grating. <P> Anyway of course I'll see this. But I can't help but remember walking out of the theater extremely disappointed the last two rounds out. Hope we get to see a little of Emma's tits. Fuck I wanna suckle them so bad.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST
the first four..5..(i can't remember anything distinctive enough to tell them apart, other than by the actor's ages)flicks (and i assume books) have the same structure. the main plot being, two new characters(teachers) are introduced each time, one seemingly good and another shady or mysterious and suspicious. over the course of the film, we learn that the good teacher is bad/evil/working for valdemort, or otherwise cowardly,arrogant and useless....while the shady character turns out to be good all along and is either eccentric or working undercover to help defeat team valdemort. at film's end, harry learned a lesson about friendship/power/responsibility/his past and valdemort is one step closer to gaining control. EVERY MOVIE.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST
So this is a different structure.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST
No idea if you're being sarcastic, but that's actually my case. My aunt brought the first two books over from England when I was 8 and I've grown up with them since then.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST
by eric haislar
I really have enjoyed these films and find they get better with each entry. I am looking forward to seeing where this all goes.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST
I hate him in the role. Richard Harris was perfect for the role of Dumbledore in the way that Harrison Ford was perfect for Han Solo (not putting them on the same level of importance to film, just pointing out how good he was in the role). I was watching Chamber of Secrets the other night for the first time in a while and really...just...wow. There are so many actors better for the role they could have picked. I feel like they just went with Gambon because he bears a strong resemblance to Richard Harris.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST
The first is still my favorite too. I fully understand why people don't like them as much: they're safe. But if you go back to the time they were being made, people were EXTREMELY skeptical about these movies and how they would reflect the series. I remember reading an article when I was in 4th grade when the first movie was coming out where they interviewed some locals about the movie coming out. A few people said that they had no intention of seeing the film because they didn't want their image of everything in the book ruined. While the directing, acting, etc. may be a bit off in those first two, the flawless asthetic is what makes it for me. Watching that....that was Hogwarts. That was Dumbledore, that was Hagrid, that was The Whomping Willow, the flying car....the difference between the first two and the proceeding ones in my opinion is that from Azkaban on, the directors set out to make great FILMS. Chris Columbus set out to make great ADAPTATIONS. And had those first two movies been lousy adaptations, there wouldn't be the following six.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST
Read it again, Darth Waldo. Quint never said that Artax was from Legend. He was mentioning three different movies in one sentence; The Neverending Story, Legend and Raiders of the Lost Ark. And Antmanx68, I 100% agree with you, mate. From where I'm sitting JK Rowling stole directly from such diverse works as Tolkien's classics, mainly Lord of the Rings, the legend of King Arthur, Vertigo's Books of Magic, the Indiana Jones series, the Dungeons and Dragons games so popular in the 80's, Star Wars (both from the original trilogy and the prequels, yes, I said it, the prequels), Willow, Troll and a few others. Hell, I even have a book that I got sometime in the late 80's, early 90's. It's part of an early Indiana Jones series of books, where Indy has to find several artifacts around the world because the main bad guy divided and hid his essence in each of the artifacts and putting all this artifacts together is the only way to defeat him. Horcruxes? Yup, you bet. The name of the book? Yup, you bet. Indiana Jones and the Philosopher's Stone. She may have been able to elevate the material, but original she ain't.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST
Should have looked much different IMO, rather than an imitation of Gandalf.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST
PERFECT performances by Rickman. Snape was an odd character, but it was predictable which way he would turn in the end, although how Rowling did it was superb.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
JK Rowling never claimed to have invented the Philosopher's Stone.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST
The movie sounds great. Looking forward to seeing it. Only problem, I'm seeing an advanced showing of Voyage of the Dawn Treader thursday evening, then this on Friday. Hopefully it will be two great movies based on some of my favorite books.
Nov. 16, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST
When was the last fucking movie? I saw jackass 3D but when was there a fucking movie in the theater. I can't even fucking remember
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST
Seriously, Harry Potter? A decent, clever kids story that ran out of steam 4 books ago. Time to get over it. (Of course, the same could be said for Star Wars which never shoulda went further then the original trilogy.)
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST
Was also my biggest issue with the last book. *SPOILERS BE WARY* I was extremely pissed at the deaths of Tonks and Lupin. It was written in such a way that at first I didnt even realize they were dead and then it was just kindof glossed over like "Oh hey look, its two major fucking people in my life who have saved my ass...they're dead, oh well." Pissed me off.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST
I could see people arguing that it's slow, but even the tent/on the run parts I found extremely well done.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST
...who have never read the books and have no investiture in the characters will not be persuaded to watch, bu they don't know what they are missing. I too wish that all the films had been broken into 2 parts. Barring that, a mini series of six to seven episodes per year per book, that would have been able to include all the nuances. You can see the growth of the characters in the flow of the series, as they grow from relatively simple childhoods into complex adults, as well as the growth of Rowling to take what is essentially a children's fable and make it the story of us. This series is meant to taken one dose at a time, and although I despaired ending each book because I knew it would be two years before I saw another new word, it was for the best. I can envision, in two or three decades when new technologies come around, that this entire series will be remade, maybe from a first person point of view, or in a holographic method, and bring a whole new realization to the characters and story. Hopefully, I am still alive by then.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST
@ Toruk_Makto: This is the book/film where you understand Snape more than any other character. Glad you picked up on that :-)
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST
haven't had much chance to do because they've been so rushed. The decision to split the films really opened this story up to quieter character moments than we've seen before. The middle of the film isn't dull at all, it's quite atmospheric.
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST
these words were actually posted on AICN.com. THIS IS WHY THE WORLD HATES US AND THE CHINESE OWN US
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST
Mixed blood people being murdered for being unpure, kids being tortured, snakes devouring people, animals being killed, magic tearing peoples flesh off, body parts being cut off... Just off the top of my head, all of these are in the first film. Granted it's not particularly gory, but there's no denying that this is darker than SHREK.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST
by sam jacksons wig
The answer is simple- have you ever been to the cinema where they leave the house lights up during a movie?????? BAAAARUMP-POM-POM.
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST
fact: gaiman was readying a lawsuit against her and was given a very nice payday by warners, which halted all action (though he will never admit it)<p>fact:to this day, rowling cannot explain how she came up with anything found in the book (came to her on a train...give me a break)<P>fact: the only original concept is that dumbass game of quiddich<P>fact:i will only see this movie if watson shows her boobies
Nov. 16, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
It's a fucking children's movie! Rated PG-fucking-13!<p>WTF?!?
Nov. 16, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST
from an american/canadian movie called TROLL.where noah hathaway (atreyu from neverending story)plays a boy named HARRY POTTER whose family just suffered the loss of his mom (half orphaned, anyway!)and moves to an apartment with a troll in the basement who starts turning people into trolls and goblins, etc. he meets a good witch who gives him a wand and together they defeat the troll (who is actually her ex husband, transformed.) there is a shitload of magic and creature puppets in it...she has even acknowledged she's seen the movie and may have accidentally lifted a few things without realizing it.she settled with the movie's writer out of court before he went public with a big case. end of story.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST
....yeah, sorry, the words "Hogwarts" and "Muggle" just don't really work anywhere near in conjunction with the word "dark". Ooooh, "Dumbledore"! Drunken babytalk is not dark. Spoiler alert:the good guys win, it's A CHILDREN'S BOOK, no matter how much it "grows up" if you're surprised by any of it you aren't really paying attention.
Nov. 16, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST
i need to watch it again, but the good witch (played by june lockheart and her daughter (younger self)) was also a plant-based witch- even had a little living mushroom thing in a pot (not unlike the mandrake root thing)...guest starred sonny bono, julia louise dreyfuss as other tenants, and the girl from poltergeist as his little sister. i really need to watch it again and do some comparing...
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST
It scared me as a kid lol.
Nov. 16, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST
one big ass joke.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST
I'm baffled by people who say otherwise. You've gotta look at it in context - it's not fuckin' Taxi Driver, and its not meant to be - but, when you consider the target audience, then it is thematically and tonally darker than any 4 quadrant fare you can name.</p> Main characters die violently (including children), there is torture, supernatural horror and the stakes are life and death. That's a rare trait in four quadrant stories.</p> The people who bang on about it not being dark come across as posturing teenagers, pretending they're too cool to enjoy something that is enjoyed by kids and adults alike. That's fine - go watch that Serbian Movie if you don't consider this dark.</p> There's no denying that the HP series is derivative... most modern fiction is, to a greater or lesser degree. But what Rowling lacked in original vision, was made up for with tight plotting and engaging characters in an interesting setting - which is where the strength (of the books anyway) lie. It's a series that dared to mature in tone, along with its main characters. I, for one, really appreciate that scope (even if I think the films never quite captured the energy of the books).</p> You can't fault people for not engaging with a story - different strokes for different folks - but to dismiss it as nothing more than children's fare is plain ignorant.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST
ITS A FUCKING CRAPFEST
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
THAN HARRY POTTER CAN EVER BE, NOT BECAUSE IT HAS DEATH AND DARK BUT BECAUSE THE CONCEPT IS FUCKING MATURE.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST
Again, different strokes for different folks. Some of us >12 males like a little variety in our diet.</p> BTW.. it IS dark (well, it became dark as the series progressed). I'm wondering how you define dark? When main characters die violently, you're entering dark territory with your story - they don't need to be ass-raped with a pineapple before being beheaded while a blood-soaked naked woman drops f-bombs in order to be categorised as dark, you know. The darkness is figurative.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST
It appears your capslock key is broken. Maybe its time to get a new keyboard. Unless of course, your shouting is intended to show us how mature you and your tastes are.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST
I was completely surprised by how great it is. I was concerned he wasn't going to use much of William's themes but I didn't even notice, ultimately. Fantastic stuff.
Nov. 16, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST
I guess they're interchangeable in my mind.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST
...ever hear of Star Wars? The first movie for instance, with the charred corpses, lopped off limbs, murder of billions, allusion to genocide? THERE is dark four quadrant. Harry Potter isn't dark even by children's standards, and by the seventh book she realized that the money was coming from gullible adults, not children.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST
or is this site's traffic down? Or is it just fewer TBers?
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST
So I hope those of you saying Harry Potter is for kids feel the same way about that. I don't care how it was written, conceptually (since we're talking about content and not style or tone), it's a bunch of kids stuff. Elves and trolls and magic. Not that it matters, LOTR is good shit, too. This is a fucking stupid conversation. <p> If you think you're too "mature" for Harry Potter, then good, fuck off and go balance your check book and masturbate to CSI reruns.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST
You're right - those aspects of Star Wars are very dark. But, saying Harry Potter is not dark by children's standards? WTF? Seriously, how do you people define thematic and tonal darkness, and by what measure does the tail-end of the HP franchise not meet these measures? Especially for kids.</p> Look at a lot of Grimm Fairy tales, for examples - that shit is dark.</p> I'm thinking people here are judging thematic darkness by their own desensitized standards - or mistakenly equating "darkness" with explicit blood and gore.</p> Regardless, I think it's an interesting topic - the subjective nature of "darkness". Perhaps it says more about the viewer than it does the material.
Nov. 16, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
Harry Potter films everything you just listed, with the exchange of Thousands for billions (we're just talking about the UK here not a planet). The genocide (not allusion but actual) of mixed race people? Hands, ears chopped off, Children tortured... It amazes me you can list all these things that makes star wars dark but when they happen in HP they don't count.
Nov. 16, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST
yeah, i saw it at the WB employee screenings over the weekend.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:11 a.m. CST
*****Spoilers...Sorta*****<p> I remember getting a little choked up after learning how Harry chose to honor Snape, I thought that showed real class on his part.
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST
You really think the first two Harry Potter movies are the best? Are you mad?
Nov. 17, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST
Well, pretty bad when compared to the books, which I really, really liked. But I wouldn't see the point in trying to pit His Dark Materials against the Potter books.<p> I mean, can inanimate objects actually 'win' anything?
Nov. 17, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST
of a very "artistic" nature
Nov. 17, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST
...and it was obvious to anyone who has read the books that tampering would happen from the outset. It needed someone really brave and with power of final cut to direct. Lyra and Asriel were cast completely wrong too. The girl playing her was way too pretty for starters (which wasn't how I imagined her) and Daniel Craig was just, well, Daniel Craig. In fact, as I recall, my main beef was Ian McKellen being cast as Iorek so soon after LotR. One day someone will do those books justice but I just hope it's not funded by Hollywood.
Nov. 17, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST
It's not dark dark dark, it's teal teal teal. ...yet another movie using the boring teal/orange palette. Give it a fucking rest already filmmakers, there ARE other colors available to use. Wake up from the 'It Ain't Gritty Real Unless it's Fucking Teal' bullshit.
Nov. 17, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST
AND I WAS, they're made of the same guts, Lord. I'm not criticizing lord of the rings. I'm saying they can both exist without me having to shit all over one. This isn't twilight we're talking about. It's clear you think you're too mature for HP and that's fine, but the fact that you're obsessively bashing this movie on not one, but TWO talkbacks, says more about you than it could ever say about the movies.
Nov. 17, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST
She made fucking billions and everyone wants a piece. If there was a legit case, it would have gone to court and been won. There isn't.
Nov. 17, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST
I never read the book, and know very little of the plot, so I was going in cold. I have to say I enjoyed it. Even the ginger kid, who I have hated in every movie so far, and who is still a thoroughly unlikeable character in this one, at least has grown somewhat as an actor. <p> Things I really liked: topless Hermione, showing side-boob. Dracos possibly wavering on the dark path. Lucius not shaving. There were a couple of genuinely funny lines. Things I did not like : The assistant to the minister is back, and fair play to the actress, I can't remember ever wanting to see a character die so badly. Plot-wise, it's shallow as fuck. Also, she invented a new meaning for the word "Hallows". If you want to make up words like quidditch, fill your boots love, but don't redefine existing words. It confuses those of us who aren't kids and have more than third grade reading level. And there was no trailer for part 2 at the end. <p> I will pay to see the second part, but I won't be counting the days or anything. Solid entertainment.
Nov. 17, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST
How many Harry Potter books have you read?</p> Because if you haven't read more than one of them, then you are basing your opinion on what exactly? Someone else's second-hand opinion? </p> And if you have read them all, despite your professed and utter disdain, then one must ask why you would bother?</p> Either way, it's pretty sad. Sadder even than dedicating so much internet time and energy to something that fills your life with bile. Man, here's a tip you can have for free - if you don't like something, don't give it your energy. Wouldn't your time be better spent in pursuit of things that give you enjoyment? Just saying.</p> Then again, this is the AICN talkback, where spending a great deal of time and effort on shit that makes you miserable is the only way some people can get their daily fix of attention.</p> Anyway, I'm seeing this on Saturday night. I'll reserve judgement on it as a movie until then.
Nov. 18, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST
How the HELL did Rowling get away with such out-and-out theft? She's even said she SAW a movie based on magic whose main character is named Harry Potter before she wrote her books...shit! I'd brushed off the plagiarism stuff up to now, but jeez...this is really questionable now...that and the "Willy the Wizard" lawsuit, where it looks like Rowling and/or her publisher lifted concepts right out of someone else's work...kinda outrageous. The day of reckoning for Rowling WILL come if she's the thief she now looks to be...
Nov. 18, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST
Yeah right. The book may be, but David Lynch's film was campy turgid shite. Just so awful on so many levels that he took his name off it. I love David Lynch's stuff but that's his worst film by miles, including the shorts. Sorry, I know plenty of people love it alot. I'll just never see why.