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The Liberal Media Calls SARAH PALIN’S ALASKA Snoozy Stuff!!

Published at: Nov. 14, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!
For those who don’t get enough of her on Fox News, TLC has mounted a new reality show focused on the woman many consider the best hope for pushing Barack Obama -- and his Obamacare and his death panels and his corporate bailouts and his costly wars in the Middle East -- out of the White House for good. TLC reportedly pays $1,000,000 per episode to air the series. Palin couldn’t have taken this job had she not midway through her first term quit her position as governor of Alaska, which paid her $125,000 per year. The New York Times says:
… wholesome, visually breathtaking and a little dull. …
The Los Angeles Times says:
… A show that is, in a phrase, breathtaking, though not so much in form as function. Certainly the Palins are a great-looking family and Alaska is a great-looking state, but it's not the image of a bear raising itself to full angry height or the grandeur of Mt. McKinley or Willow Palin's boyfriend sneaking up to her bedroom that causes the viewer's jaw to, and not occasionally, drop. It's the fabulous shamelessness, the awful and yet admirable brilliance of the thing. Whether Palin will ever run for office or not, "Sarah Palin's Alaska" sets a new standard for political ads. …
The Washington Post says:
… Isn't this the kind of person whom forest rangers usually despise? The one whose loud command to heed the bears actually startles the bears? The hapless camper whom taxpayers have to rescue at great expense after she loses her Verizon signal and gets hopelessly disoriented? … It's still pretty blah and rarely rises above a relative's chatty slide show of vacation pictures. …
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… If not for the polarizing nature of its star -- people who love her and hate her will tune in to revel in her Palin-ness or mock her for it -- no one would be talking about this dull, derivative TV show. …
The Boston Herald says:
… turns out to be a tepid travelogue …
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… What’s most unfortunate about Alaska is that what could have been a very good travel and nature series gets co-opted by politics and the faux believability of a reality show. … Alaska shouldn’t worry or rile the people who don’t like her. It should worry her Republican opponents should she ever seek, say, a higher office.
Variety says:
… Palin isn't lyin' when she suggests that the writer next door is "gonna be bored to death," as will much of the audience. …
9 p.m. Sunday. TLC.
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  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Hope She Dies In A Bear Fight

    by Crow3711

    Just sayin....

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    She better share a doubled ended dildo with Bristol

    by _Venkman

    Anal style

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    She's a fucking moron

    by Ferf Muckmeyer

    Anyone with half a brain that would consider voting this twit into the White House has no clue what the consequences would be. Whether you love or hate Obama is irrelevant - she is a parody of herself and would be an insult to any office she could potentially occupy.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    When I hear her voice...

    by Judge Briggs

    Reminds me of having the worst kind of diarrhea imaginable. Actually, I rather have diarrhea than listen to this fucking moron speak ...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    America to Palin: Tits or GTFO

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Bunch of nasty fucks, aren't you?

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    Lady almost single-handidly gave the Republicans Congress, kicked Pelosi out of the big chair, Got the Dems eating each other and Obama is now politicaly a dead man walking. Now all you pubescent Libs got left is swearing like five year olds and griping about how she handed your asses to you this election.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Can we vote for Tina Fey instead?

    by matchesmalone2380

    Why the hell does everyone fall in love with Sarah Palin? No one would have given a flying fuck of McCain hadn't have given her a chance to run for VP. Here's a question to anyone considering to vote for Palin if she does run: How can you vote for someone who doesn't even stay in office as Governor for less then one year??? I hope this POS show gets canceled quick.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    fucking REALLY?!?

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    You write an article about that Alaskan fucktard's new show but week after week you skip out on a great season of Dexter? Da fuak, man, da fuck?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I Didn't Swear Maltese

    by Crow3711

    I just said I hope she dies in a very violent, unpleasant, drawn-out kind of way. With bears. <p> Big Difference, pal

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    And they're off!

    by Tacoloft

    Progressives trolls at work.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The_Maltese_Vulcan

    by _Venkman

    Look man, all I want to see is her going ass to ass with Bristol, Requiem for a Dream style while the main theme plays faintly in the background.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    And I second a talk back on Dexter, Eastbound and Down

    by _Venkman

    It's Always Sunny and some other shows I like.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I lean to the right...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I do not care at all, for Obama as president; and even I would not vote, for Sarah Palin. She's held one political office, of any real consequence; and she resigned roughly halfway, through her term. She should be hosting a talk show not running for president.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Ferf Muckmeyer

    by ComputerGuy68

    "Anyone with half a brain that would consider voting this twit into the White House has no clue what the consequences would be." Thought you were speaking about Obama ;)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Maltese Vulcan

    by jimmay

    You couldn't possibly be more wrong. She is credited by many, including those in the Republican party, of costing McCain the election in 08, and, at least in the Senate contests this time around, her candidates roundly lost (Miller, Buck, O'Donnel, Angle). <p> Trust me, us liberals love Palin. She's an object example of the egregious, bottomless stupidity some (the loudest of) conservatives embrace. Keep putting her up there, and we'll keep winning against her. She's an arrogant, thoughtless simpleton who makes reasonable conservatives queasy. She's ballot-box poison.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Willow Palin's boyfriend sneaking up to her bedroom?

    by American Mythos

    I wonder if Willow got jealous of seeing mom and Bristol raking in the millions and signed a secret contract with MTV's Pregnant at 16.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Hercules...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...can you get Obama's dick out of your mouth long enough to think clearly? Geez.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Hercules = Biggest prick at AICN...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...who can't think for himself...and has to infuse EVERY blog article that he "writes" (*cough cough) with his incessant liberal rants. <p>Hercules, no one takes you seriously any more. Not even your mother. </p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    He's been trying to dislodge it for awhile now...

    by _Venkman

    But you know what they say about black guys

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Liberals, if they weren't so hillarious,

    by jae683

    I'd wish they were all dead too.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure Hercules is Republican.

    by jimmay

    Or at least leans that way.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Palin's retarded child > Hercules

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I think that the retarded two year old could blog better than Hercules. He would probably be less biased too.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    jimmay...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Hercules is a Republican like Obama is a baseball fan. Obama couldn't name a single White Sox baseball player from the past century -- even though he claimed to be a fan. When pressed, he said that he was more of an Oakland A's fan back when he was a kid. Then, he couldn't even name one of the A's players either. Sheesh.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    RUBICON wept

    by StarWarsRedux

    This gets a talkback, but not AMC's finest hour-long? Shameful.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    AIN'T IT LIBERAL NEWS?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    If only Hercules could have his way!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Multese_Vulcan, Palin cost Republicans the Senate.

    by American Mythos

    Almost every tea partier she endorsed lost their senate seat. Angle in Nevada. That race should have been the Republicans' to lose and, thanks to Palin, it was. O'Donnell in Delaware. Another race Republicans should have easily won had they nominated Mike Castle. Instead they nominated a witch. Ken Buck, the misogynist in Colorado, who lost to Democrat Michael Bennet who had previously been considered "a political dead man walking." Here in Alaska, Sarah and my home state, she endorsed tea party candidate Joe Miller, who lost a fucking WRITE-IN campaign to Lisa Murkowski, the first person to win a senate write-in campaign since Strom fucking Thurmond in 1954. In Alaska, where we actually know the ineffectiveness of Sarah Palin's "leadership," she has lower approval ratings than Obama.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Oooh, I touched a nerve!

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    What was it Obama called the election? Oh that's right, he said he got a shellacking. You can spin it every way you want but we both know the left lost bigtime, Obama ratings are in the toilet and those evil "teabaggers" beat you in a fair fight. Get set to shit your pants in 2012 because this was only the beginning.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    makes that senate *race* not seat

    by American Mythos

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    In other HERCULES news...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    In other "news" (propaganda) according to Hercules: <p>"Barack Obama has defeated another attempt by BIG OIL corporate executives from trying to control the world. President Obama also has thwarted the attempts by 48% of people who don't pay their fair share of taxes (you know, the ones who didn't vote for him) by raising their taxes to bring HOPE and CHANGE that we can all believe in! Hope. Change. Yes we can. Failed policies of George W. Bush. Halliburton. Give peace a chance. Republicans want children to die. Democrats really won this election." </p> Geez, give it a rest, Hercules. If we wanted your uber-liberal commentary, we would go to the Huffington Post.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    We're all going to be dead in 2012 anyway

    by _Venkman

    Thanks to Palin

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Obama's wars he went back in time to start as Bush

    by canvasseamonkey

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    No, you just showed your lack of political knowledge.

    by American Mythos

    I always shake my head when I hear some know-nothing from the continental U.S. heaping praise on Palin. Even Alaska's Republicans don't like her.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Since there wasn't an NBC Thursday night talkback can we hijack

    by SifoDyasJr.

    This week's episode of Community was one of the best. Even The Office was halfway decent.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    the only

    by WALKNDED

    thing She's good for is polishing knobs..that way you don't have to hear her talk.and The_Maltese_Vulcan what are you about 70. I'm surprised did your grandson show you how to use the web.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Bless you, Herc!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Keep stoking that fire!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Americans care who won the election. That is why they voted.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I liked the neo-nazi ending to Community two weeks ago

    by _Venkman

    Made the rest of Abed's crap worth watching

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Her show might be junk, but

    by vorlonkosh

    what if conservatives judged everything out of Hollywood based solely on politics? I believe their is a lot of political naivete with actor types, but I wouldn't judge the quality of their work based on my political feelings. Like it or not, Liberals are great entertainers. Too bad they can't just focus their attention on that, and leave the important stuff to the grown-ups.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:01 p.m. CST

    If you like Palin: Fine, then watch this boring bullshit.

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin = The Kim Kardashian of Politics

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    A complete and total fraud with considerably less Twitter skills. A cult of personality...without the ridiculous ass.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I am a Republican

    by Hercules

    I am a Republican, a Republican originally regisitered as a Republican in the very red state of Texas. I've the paperwork to prove it. <p>ccchhhrrriiisssm thinks I'm a liberal because I like that Obama's new health care law makes it much harder for the zillionaire insurance company CEOs to drop my ailing grandparents, who have never missed paying a monthly premium. <p> Many (like Palin's masters) fear taxpayer-funded health care because -- like Social Security and Medicare before it -- it would prove so popular no American would dare vote to shut it down. (This is the case in nations like Britain, France, Italy and Canada that have already adopted socialized health care. They like their "terrible" socialized health care systems so much that their most ardent conservatives no longer dare voice the idea of removing it. No one remembers fondly the days when the insurance companies were in charge of health care, as they are here.) <p>Word to your mother.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    The left's pathological hatred of Palin is FASCINATING

    by CountryBoy

    Of course their pathological hatred of every conservative is intriguing; I honesly never hear conservatives spewing such lunatic ravings at liberals. In The New Yorker this weekend I read a review of ALASKA in which the TV critic said, "When I hear Sarah Palin's voice, my whole being wails..." How on earth can this be considered reasonble? <p> I happen to currently be reading A HISTORY OF GOD, by noted atheist Karen Armstong; in it, she posits (based on nothing) that the "hatred" of the Jewish prophets for paganism indicated a deep anxiety on their part -- as if they weren't that confident of their position, and sought to mask it with passionate fury. Is it possible that liberals possess a deep anxiety about their own position? That they suspect that total sexual licence, self-destructive "green" policies, the killing of unborn children, rabid contempt for the traiditional family, etc... are bad? And they try to mask it with positively unhinged screeching at the very mention of a woman who blithely continues to get the better of them by embracing everything they slave and struggle to destroy?<p>As I say, fascinating...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Gerald "T-Bones" Tibbons killed a bear.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    And Palin's voice is insuferable - that's not political - just f

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    fact

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    "I honesly never hear conservatives spewing such lunatic ravings

    by _Venkman

    Nigga please

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    A Republican, from TX no less, who supports healthcare?

    by Zardoz

    What are you a Socialist-Commie? (I kid, I kid!) I wish more Republicans were as open-minded, compassionate, and, dare I say it? (I do!) intelligent, as you Herc. Kudos! Now, let's hope your fellow Republicans aren't successful in their fiendish plans to dis-mantle it before it even takes effect...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Sounds no worse than most of the...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...boring-as-fuck "lifestyle" shows that basic cable churns out every year.<p> Only this one has a big "name" to hype it.<p> Not really news, sez I.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I think the show will be great

    by PhilipMarlowe

    It will have a high level of gore but I am worried that the cgi will not be as good as if they used practical effects. The computer work that they use to humanize Sarah's face will never make it through uncanny valley. It creeps me out a little , along with the voice.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Palin down in popularity: 52% to 48% and dropping fast!

    by Zardoz

    Exit polls from the elections asked if people would vote for her in '12 and the results speak for themselves: people, even her so-called "supporters" are realizing what an incompetent nit-wit she is. She couldn't run a Starbucks, let alone the highest office in the land...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Palin will never be President

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Never. Didn't anyone learn anything from The Dead Zone? "Ladies and gentlemen, the missiles are flying. Hallelujah."

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Country Boy...

    by ShelbKis

    You "theory" goes out the window when you realize the difference between being Jewish and being a Liberal. Jews are Jews, Liberals can change. Don't try to make Liberals seem like insecure racists. Liberals dislike the Right because of how idiotic the Right is. Yeah, socialized health care, what a terrible idea, just let people die. People bashing Obama's term thus far are on the same side as the people who've put up roadblocks every time he's tried to do something. He hasn't gotten anything done because the Right is too scared to make changes. And if you don't admit the hatred towards Obama isn't 99% because he's not white, you're fooling yourself. Also, Palin is moron. Alaska is practically Canadian and if she was born 100someodd years prior she'd be Russian. GTFO.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    _Venkman, it's true...

    by CountryBoy

    Bill O'Reilly has routinely defended Obama's Mideast policy, and dimisses his own conspiratorial colleagues; he also wrote an article in Parade Magazine called "What America's Children Can Learn From Barack Obama." Glenn Back mocks birthers, and assures his audience there's nothing to their claims; Sean Hannity has often said Obama seems like a wonderful father to his daughters. (Can you imagine any of Palin's critics saying ANYTHING good about her?) These people all oppose liberals but don't say things like "If you want to punish our enemies, get out and vote!" as Obama did; or "There IS no lunatic fringe on our side, all the luntics are on the other side!" as Bill Maher did, or "I hate our opponents, and everything they stand for!" as the chairman of the Democratic National Commitee (forget his name, sorry) did.<p>It's true...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Anyone who thinks Obama-Care is a good idea,

    by jae683

    is a deluded moron. Here's an idea, how about people taking responsibility for their own lives and living a healthy life style. Gee, what a concept.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Palin is a Dunt.

    by Stalkeye

    I need not explain what that word means.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    ShelbKis: "Also, Palin is moron." Classic...

    by CountryBoy

    As for "blocking" Obama, he had a Democrat House of Representatives and Senate for two years. It appears the scared ones were the Democrats, who wanted cover by saying "Republicans voted for (pick your policy) too!" When Repubs wouldn't go along, Democrats ran and hid. Regarding 99% of opposition being racist -- based on what? I try to confine my comments to what I have evidence for.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Definition of irony=jae683

    by Rendell

    Words fail me...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    LOL Touched a nerve there.

    by jae683

    Do you people even realize what "Obamacare" is?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Menstrual, see my reply to _Venkman

    by CountryBoy

    Thanks for being friendly. :)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Ohmygoshtheshow'son,gottago!

    by CountryBoy

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile... buy MILK on Amazon!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Jerc sucks (this is written in Spanglish)<P>How dare television have the chutzpah to air positive family programming! You dare better not watch lest the baleful eyes of that moral paragon Rachael Maddow be upon ye!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Health Care

    by GeneralKael

    As a Canadian I'm fascinated by the debate about Health Care in the US. I think one thing that may be misunderstood about Canadian Health care is that it doesn't cover everything - it doesn't cover prescription drugs unless you are a senior, it doesn't cover dental unless you are a child(to age 12 I think). Many companies provide private plans to cover these gaps, but in my entire working life of about 20 years of working, about half of it was without any kind of dental plan and some of it was without a health plan at all except for the government plan. However, if I got hit by a bus or needed heart surgery, that would be paid for no questions asked. I think that's fair - I won't go bankrupt if I have a health problem and I am willing to pay taxes for that. There are many people in Canada who work at jobs that do not provide them with a health plan. I have no problem paying my taxes so that everyone has health care. Is the main concern here higher taxes or is it something else? Just wondering...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    i cant believe americans are this fuckin DUMB.

    by alice133

    then i realize they elected george w bush. <p>TWICE.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    What's the difference between a 7th grader and a Liberal?

    by blhotz

    Absolutely nothing. Blame thy neighbor (*cough Bush) when theirselves are mostly to blame (*cough control of Congres IE LAWMAKERS during Bush Presidency). And their hate speech and lack of business common sense is almost identical. I shit you not. With that said, sure hope Palin doesn't run as she barely has more experience than Obama before he ran. We need real leaders and results...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    More than most...

    by WeylandYutani

    politicians, she leaves a bad taste in my mouth. <P> Ironically, the more People Magazine covers and TLC reality programs she does, the less Palin seems to be an actual person. She seems to be more of a product without any real personal opinion or platform. I don't get the impression she has much of a say in what she stumps about - it's closer to verbal fast-food designed by her handlers. <P> BTW: I love how there is an ad for the MILK Blu-Ray on this page. I am sure that is the kind of film that conforms to Palin's moral values.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Jercules is a Republican

    by Immortal_Fish

    lol. Please. Please.<P>This is a man that GENUINELY agrees with Bill Maher who GENUINELY thinks Leibowitz's rally gathered more attendees than Beck did.<P>Yet he is a "Republican originally regisitered as a Republican in the very red state of Texas." with the "paperwork to prove it."<P>Any more evidence required to prove that liberal progressives have no problem lying?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    i cant believe americans are this fuckin DUMB.

    by Immortal_Fish

    then i realize they elected barack owebama. ONCE.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Herc assfucks ccchhhrrriiisssm real good, I applaud!

    by DickBallsworth

    Also, Palin is the Paris Hilton of politics. Please Conservative Right, run her in 2012 so we can get a Progressive Sweep to victory.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Does the show include scenes of Oilbama....

    by Immortal_Fish

    ....tossing his largest contributor around like a political football?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Nice Gaius

    by Liberal_Warrior

    That should read 'ridiculously fine ass' - otherwise the warrior agrees with you.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    And will they bring back Teddy Kennedy....

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...to hold hands with the loose corpse who got dead?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Whether Obama you think is a bad president or not....

    by Voice O. Reason

    ....it doesn't change that Sarah Palin was a terrible governor, terrible VP candidate, and is both a liar and a hypocrite.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Oh, it's not on till 9...

    by CountryBoy

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Whether Obama you think is a bad president or not....

    by Immortal_Fish

    ....it doesn't change he was a terrible senator, terrible president, and is both a liar and a hypocrite.<P>WILL YOU FUCKING LIBS ENGAGE DEBATE AND SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS FOR A FUCKING CHANGE?!?!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by Hercules

    According to AirPhotosLive, the score was: <p>* Beck/Palin: 87,000 attendees <br>* Stewart/Colbert: 215,000 attendees <p>I'm aware Beck claims his rally was larger, but he never explained where he got his numbers. <p>AirPhotosLive, as far as I know, is not a partisan entity, and has been perfectly transparent in explaining its methodology. <p>If you're aware of an organization that used a more scientific method of estimating these crowd numbers, I've not yet heard of it.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    jae683 you are the definition of a no-nothing moron!

    by Zardoz

    Being healthy and having insurance is not the answer: my father, a non-smoker, not overweight, had a heart attack and a quadruple bypass. The bill was $150,000. Luckily, he had insurance, which he had paid for the previous 30 years. Unfortunately, after the operation, his insurance premiums went up by 300%! So, he got fixed but he couldn't afford the premiums after that. They basically got rid of him by raising his premiums to un-affordable levels. You will never know how broke the health care system is in the U.S. until you or one of your loved ones gets sick. Then you'll be the one going bankrupt, losing their home, dying or watching someone you love die. Wake the fuck up, morons! It could, and probably will, happen to YOU!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    COuntryboy is right baout one thing.

    by IndustryKiller!

    And before Is ay it Iw ould like it to be rest assured that I am one of the angry conservative hating liberals he's speaking of. I hate conservatives because I think their policies hurt people, not just in America but all around the world, they do it at the expense of science and all factual reason. if that shouldnt make me angry then I cannot fathom whats hould.<P>BUT COuntryboy has us when he says we had a democratic congress, senate, and presidency for two years and acted like cowards about it. Obama got the health care ball rolling, an immense feat to be sure, but shied away even on certain policies regarding that. He should have gone straight to reconciliation at the beginning of that debate, instead he let it drag out for a year. He should have pushed harder for more stimulus, a repeal of DADT, and pushed an energy plan earlier. Instead he placated conservatives and people like gullible baffoons like COuntry Boy who call green initiatives destructive. If there is any way to deal with conservatives, it's with an iron fist, the same way they deal with anyone else.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I love Republicans desire for "small government"...

    by Zardoz

    ...when even under the leadership of their Messiah, Ronald Reagan, the size and spending of the government actually INCREASED! (He did it in CA as governor, too!) Facts and history mean NOTHING to Republicans. We are all doomed to repeat the mistakes of their past...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    That said, Obama IS a pussy!

    by Zardoz

    Especially if he caves to Republicans about Bush-era taxes and health care. (I didn't vote for him! ALL the candidates sucked!)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    "Small government" is Republican-speak for...

    by F-18

    ..low taxes for the wealthy. When it comes to other aspects of government, they want HUGE governmentt.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Hercules...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Now you are going to claim that you are a "Republican?" I guess that you are just as "Republican" as Harry Reid. Geez. <p>As for the estimates of crowd size: You are citing ONE estimate -- that even officials at CBS was flawed! Did you read any of the other estimates? OF COURSE YOU DID! You just didn't want to acknowledge that MOST of the estimates have a much larger crowd size. In addition, most of the photo images of the crowd sizes show that they were MUCH larger at Beck's rally! </p> <p>You have lost your credibility by continuing to defend that figure that you know is both flawed and biased, Herc. </p> <p>The funny thing is that I DON'T EVEN CARE about the crowd size! I don't watch or listen to Beck. I rarely watch or listen to Stewart and Colbert. However, I can't stand for people to claim that they are "impartial" (or "Republican") and then present very flawed crowd estimate while bad mouthing the Beck guy. I don't listen to Beck -- but he certainly isn't the asshole that you make him out to be. </p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Hercules...the Washington Post estimated...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...between 300,000 to 500,000 for the Beck rally -- and that was early during the day! <p>Of course, this is spilled milk. I don't even care...except that you continue to try and make an issue out of it. How many times are you going to cite that flawed statistic anyway? </p> Geez.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Look at the photo comparison, Herc...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    http://tinyurl.com/herc001

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Industry, the word is "buffoon." I'm a gullible "buffoon."

    by CountryBoy

    If green initiaives were so essential, wouldn't Al "first class isn't good enough for me" Gore mend his ways, rather than jetting all over the earth in private planes and indulging in a carbon footprint that would make Daddy Warbuck blush?<p>Also, do you remember when the "Climategate" emails were released, and the left leapt to say "Oh, this doesn't prove anything -- so they lied, so they hid facts, so they fantasized about the detruction of their opponents... Global Warming is still real!" Well, as far as I'm concerned, the one "smoking gun" email that negates their every defense was this:<p> "The truth is, we can't account for the cooling, and it's a travesty that we can't."<p>In other words, what they said was happening wasn't happening -- the opposite was -- and they had no explanation. That was it for me.<p>Of course there's lots of other evidence against global warming, not least the Medieval Warm Period, when, absent a single steel mill or SUV, the temperature of Europe rose dramatically for a period of decades. What evil conservative caused that? <p>Of course foolish, harmful green initiatives aren't confined to measures aimed at stopping a nonexistent climate trend; they can also be things like refusing to drill for the vast reserves of oil in ANWAR, a tract of tundra in excess of a million acres, wherein the drilling would occupy... wait for it... 2,000 acres! Out of a MILLION! Oh, the humanity! Or I guess, oh, the empty land! Anything that lives there can easily find refuge in the other 999,998,000 acres surrounding the drill site -- but no! We must protect the all-hallowed environment from the EEEEEEVIL oil companies! sigh...<p>Actually, IndustryKiller!, I've always considered you a good guy, ever since you, like me, saw through the lameness of AVATAR. Maybe we'll someday be on the same side again, trashing AVATAR 2...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    That said...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    GO STANFORD! Woohoo!!! The Big Game is next week...and we will rock the house! We will be getting the Big Axe back next week! <p> :-) </p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    BTW, Herc...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I am NOT a Palin supporter. I just don't think that she is the idiot that you make her out to be either.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Hercules

    Why do the Washington Post's estimates differ so dramatically from AirPhotosLive's? Did they use a more scientific and objective method than did AirPhotosLive?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Worse in what way?

    by DoctorWho?

    Experience? Character? Message?<p> Specifics.<p> You presume a template on Palin that everybody agrees on. What some find likeable or honorable in Palin you may probably abhor.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Will AICN review the new movie COOLIT!

    by DoctorWho?

    By the super-smart Bjorn Lomborg.<p> http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=eZR3gsY98VU

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    here's a possible worst Republican

    by mad_hacker87

    being a native of Deleware I nominate Christine O'Donnell. Mostly because when you run for a Senate seat you have to swear to "protect and defend The Constitution". In debate she didn't know what the 1st Admendment says. Not to mention the whole "I'm not a witch", can't either a Senator or name a Supreme court case she disagreed with. How she got close to 40% of the vote frankly amazes me.....

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    CountryBoy

    by Hercules

    If Obama earns praise from the right, it's surely because he is one of this nation's most praiseworthy Democrats. <p>Certainly you must agree there are Republicans more praiseworthy than Sarah Palin. Though many of his problems were ultimately unsurmounted, Arnold Schwarzenegger (to cite an example) took a mammoth pay cut and for eight years put in a lot of effort and personal capital to make life better for Californians. <p>I'd ask this: Do you know of any Republicans less praiseworthy than Sarah Palin?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Jism is lying yet again

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Here is what the Post said: <p> "The Glenn Beck rally on the National Mall Saturday drew between 300,000 and 500,000, according to Beck. CBS News hired a consultant with an expertise in aerial photography and came up with a total of 87,000. Other media outlets either wussed out and just said "thousands" or came up with their own estimates, mostly in the 80,000 to 200,000 range. " <p> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/story-lab/2010/08/how_big_will_the_crowd_be_at_t.html

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Hercules, a better question is...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Why does the estimate from "AirPhotosLive" differ so drastically from everyone else's? Do we even know how qualified "AirPhotosLive" is in measuring the size of a crowd? For all we know, they could be a couple of pilots with Communications degrees.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    is there a more rotten human, Repub OR Dem than...

    by DoctorWho?

    Alan Grayson?<p> Checkmate.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That's the wrong article, Lib.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That's the wrong article, Lib.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Obama=same ole same ole. Such a disappointment

    by The Founder

    I voted for him and is hoping he turns his shy around but the man did exactly what The corporate tycoons wanted when he got elected. It doesn't matter if he won or Hillary Clinton won or John McCain won, the same steps would've been followed. Well not the heath care. McCain wouldn't have done that and Clinton would've done it better. Obama's mistake was letting The Same career politicians that run congress and the democratic party take the lead on the Halth care reform while he remain silent until he had to get in and letting them write the stimulus package. When I saw the way both was heading I knew that was gonna cost him and it did big time. Health Care should've been a slam dunk.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I'm conservative

    by lock67ca

    And I still think she's dumber than a tree stump. Guess I'm in the minority.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Then post your Post article, Jis

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Then we really can laugh because if they differ - as you are implying, then that means even the Post does not the real numbers

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Countryboy

    by IndustryKiller!

    Five independent inquiries exonerated those involved with climategate. It's a dead issue that holds no water.<P>And to say Al Gores climate footprint has anything to do with what 97% of climatologists agree is man made climate change is absurd and you know it. It's also more than reasonable that a guy who basically flies around the world for a living might be more than a little hamstrung by your average airport security systems and schedules. A private plane for a far greater good is reasonable by any standards.<P>As for ANWAR, its meaningless, just like just about all the other U.S. drillings ites. It would take a decade and probably mroe to drill and refine that oil and even if we did it, at maximum capacity (which is impossble given the limited number of refinement factories) it would account to a mere 2% of our daily intake, a negligible amount that would neither wean us off foreign oil or drop prices one fucking penny. In other words, further domestic drilling has absolutely no bearing on our lives or oil prospects. Domestic drilling is a staple red herring of the conservative agenda, as meaningless to the average american and nonsensical as the fight against gay marriage. An issue they know they're dead wrong about and don't care because it distracts and manipulates the base. How guys like you are still griping about it is beyond me.<P>As for the medieval warming period, there's an awful lot of question marks surrounding that. <P>"The IPCC Third Assessment Report from 2001 summarised research at that time, saying "... current evidence does not support globally synchronous periods of anomalous cold or warmth over this time frame, and the conventional terms of 'Little Ice Age' and 'Medieval Warm Period' appear to have limited utility in describing trends in hemispheric or global mean temperature changes in past centuries".[16] Global temperature records taken from ice cores, tree rings, and lake deposits, have shown that, taken globally, the Earth may have been slightly cooler (by 0.03 degrees Celsius) during the 'Medieval Warm Period' than in the early and mid-20th century."

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    AirPhotosLive...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Actually, they are just PHOTOGRAPHERS and ART/GRAPHIC DESIGNERS! I just looked it up! None of them were listed to have a survey or math degree! They aren't qualified to even make an estimate!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Hercules

    I'd assume the estimate from AirPhotosLive differs so drastically from everyone else's because they employed a more scientific and objective methodology. But I can't be certain until I learn what kind of methodologies produced those other numbers. So far AirPhotosLive is the only organization that has explained in any detail how they derived their numbers.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I'd rather watch Lawrence Welk reruns than this garbage

    by JoeSixPack

    I hope the show is an utter failure.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    It's not pathological hatred of the woman.

    by AnnoyYou

    It's out-and-out fear - fear that some Americans would actually consider someone so stupid, venal and proudly clueless as a viable candidate for high office in this country. I mean, W. was bad enough and he did massive damage to this country during his 8 year regime (something conservatives are quick to pin on Obama even though he's only had a two year tenure), but Palin is beyond the pale. To seriously consider her for national office would be tantamount to considering one of the Kardashians, Snooki or one of the moronic reality housewives. She's a marketed product, an idiot and a menace, because she's the real-life version of Stephen King's Greg Stillson, and if that isn't scary I don't know what is.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Chrism post your article

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Put up or shut up

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior,

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    First of all, my name isn't "Jism" just like your name isn't "SHIT FOR BRAINS." <p>Secondly, I will look up the various estimates and list them here within a day. </p> Lastly, the estimate from CBS was given to them by the photographers who they hired to take photos. They aren't even qualified to make estimates! LOL!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Palin=charlatan

    by The Founder

    This woman greed and opportunistic ways are so freaking obvious. She quit Gov to make money period. I don't care that she's making money , but she should've finished her job. She and her family are media whores. The bad thing is her supporters don't pick up on it. She is no better then the librel media and the Hollywood elite she claim to rally against. I just wish the fucking mainstream media would stop reporting on her. She brings nothing to the table but fools ramblings and talking points she pick up from the standard republican mouth pieces.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Wow, I got a black box reply! Cool!

    by CountryBoy

    Herc, do you think California is "better" for Arnold's efforts?<p>Anyway, I don't dispute that there are Republicans with more accomplishments than Palin. Indeed, I'm not even a die-hard Palin fan. I weary of her platitudes like "common sense solutions," and when she reacted angrily to the media "taking advantage" of Bristol, my thought was "If you want to protect your kid, don't let her appear on the cover of PEOPLE in her graduation robes with her baby!"<p>That said, I certainly don't find her positions or ideas fundamentally loathsome or idiotic. Her resigning the governorship resulted in exponentially greater political influence for her, and Alaska seems hardly to have suffered in her absence. (I recently saw an article attacking Alaskan senatorial candidate Joe Miller by mocking Alaskans' anger, e.g. "We have low unemployment, low taxes, and we're mad as hell!" Liberals can't attack Palin for "leaving Alaska in the lurch" and simultaneously make fun of Alaska for "having it too easy." It can't be both good and bad there.<p>So I don't know if there are Republicans "worse than" Palin; she doesn't seem bad to me. When people rail against her -- like Nancy Franklin, the New Yorker TV critic I cited -- they tend to use ludicrously personal venom ("she makes my whole being wail") or wish death upon her. Does she deserve that? Really? That's all I'm saying. I just find the wild hate bizarre, and I like speculating about it. Maybe it says more about its perpetrators than its target.

  • Carl Paladino ?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Chrissssm: "I don't care aboutt he crowd size!"

    by IndustryKiller!

    "I'm just writing post after post about it because I care so little! I don't listen to Glen Beck or anything so my defense of him MUST come from a place of TOTAL impartiality!! You know....because I don't care! SEE HOW MUCH I DON'T CARE!!!"

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Jism, you repsonded to me calling you that, so it must be true

    by Liberal_Warrior

    I did a five second google search and found that Post article, why do you need all fukken day?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Are you stupid? Who made you the ranking member of the Free Speech Gestapo, you retarded liberal fool? I'll find the Wash Post estimate...and then post it (along with the others). The only lowball estimate came from the AirPhotosLive photographers that CBS hired to simply snap photos. I will probably give them a call in the morning too and see how they came up with their crowd estimate.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Palin will never be president cause she won't run

    by The Founder

    I'm not gonna say she can't win. The stupidity of the American voter never ceases to amaze me. Palin won't run cause she can make and milk more money outta her supporters and big media and entertainment as long as she stays in the spotlight and the people doesn't tire of her.

  • It has no actual basis in who they are in reality or their circumstance. It's about what they think their childhood cinematic idols would do (and they wouldn't, really).

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    "resulted in exponentially greater political influence for her"

    by IndustryKiller!

    Countryboy I'm sure Joe Miller, Christine O'Donnell and the entire Republican party would disagree. Bu by all means PLEASE nominate her in 2012.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Guys! Guys! Guys!

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    Can't we just listen to the radio?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Jism -are you fukken motarded? Yes you are!

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Too fukken stupid to type into a google search window Beck Crowd estimate?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    in a John Carpenter movie

    by reflecto

    FOR FUCK'S SAKE HARRY, IT'S 2010, UPDATE YOUR FUCKING TB FORMS. YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO TONGUE THE BALLSACKS OF EVERY STUDIO FILM THAT GIVES YOU PWESENTS, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO WRITE A SCREED ABOUT HOW TOY STORY 3 REMINDS YOU YOU'RE A MIDDLE-AGED MAN, FIND THE TIME TO GET A SINGLE FUCKING HTML SPECIALIST. YOUR "I'M JUST A BIG SILLY KID WITH A LITTLE OLD WEBSITE" ACT IS TIRED. SHAPE THE FUCK UP.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I am commenting because Hercules seems so fixated on the size of the two rallies...and continuously quotes the only lowball estimate from any major media source. You have to question his motives for continuing to mention that estimate...over...and over...again.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    If Palin becomes President

    by cylon_conspiracy

    She'll completely reverse all the accomplishments of the Obama administration like

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    "resulted in exponentially greater ...money"

    by Liberal_Warrior

    She quit because she wanted to get rich or die tryin,- just like fiddy.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Hey ASSHOLE (*yes, you are a big, fat Obama-fucked ASSHOLE)... <p>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html </p> They list NBC's estimate of 300,000. This seems to be the norm...outside of the liberal bloggers who worked tirelessly to question the size of all of the estimates. </p> My point? Liberals (like you) and guys like Hercules are using the ONLY low-ball figure given on the subject...and then use the highest estimates for the Stewart rally. </p> <p>Again, I don't care how many attended the rally. I just hate it when someone claims to be a "Republican" and then tirelessly works to push the lowest possible crowd size estimate on an ENTERTAINMENT blog -- while tirelessly mocking the political views of people that he disagrees with. </p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    ccchhhhhrrrisssmmmmm I agree

    by IndustryKiller!

    I think Hercules keeps on it because he cares about the size of the crowd, just like you do. There's no objective impatial moral authority on your part here, and I'm not even saying you're wrong aboutt eh crowds, I don't have a god damn clue. I would argue both rallies attracted who they aimed to attract and both got about equal attention in the mediasphere, which I think is a bigger deal than physical crowd size.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    We Americans are our own worst enemy

    by The Founder

    We all allow and accept the same shit that's shoved down out throats by both of the main political parties. When ever either party fucks up, we vote the other in power. After seeing the republicans come roaring back into power I actually cried that my people put them back in charge after they ran the country into the ground. all because people are desperate and want a quick fix. Obama isn't doing as good aaa he should be I believe the man cares and while I know he leans more pro corporate his policies will benefit the middle class and poor better then the republicans ever will that are currently in power. I'm a democrat and have no problem with republicans and their values and I think both sides can work together. I just have a problem with the currrent eleted republican leadership. They are same ones who were their with Bush and crafted the same policies they led to this mess. So people vote them back in power and expect a different result? I don't get it. The dems aren't clean either. A lot of them career politicians need to go. I'll take up to much time positing my problems with the current political system but a good start would be Freaking term limits for all elected officials.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy:

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    The inclusion of "Obama" and "accomplishments" is an oxymoron. <p> That is why the DNC lost the House, the majority of Governor's offices, the majority of State legislatures and a half dozen Senate seats. </p> It seems that Obama's "accomplishments" went against the will of a majority of Americans.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    The phony lawsuits against Palin

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Were bankrupting her family, costing the state, and making it impossible to do her job. So for the left getting her to step aside was mission accomplished. Except, the idea was to just get her out of the spotlight, and the complete opposite has happened. Free from being a politician she can do whatever the hell she wants, and as a result is a bigger national figure than she was before. If it weren't for the lawsuits (that made her quit) she would have gone back to being Governor, and would have more or less faded from the public eye. Ooopsie!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Herc...

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

    I really wish you and Palin could just fuck and get it over with. I mean, honestly... why are you so obsessed with her?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    and I predict this will be a top rated show

    by cylon_conspiracy

    This show will probably break records.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I doubt it's solely for her policies...

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Jism -just type: Beck Crowd Estimate

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Grab a tissue from one of the many boxes of kleenex you have strewn around your 'command center' i.e mommies house, and type the words, or if you are too busy with 'knocking off a quick one to the picture of Anne the Colt you have taped to the command chair, just drip some if that jism-jism on the keyboard. You really should invest in a voice activated system if you find your hands too wrapped up on the little jism stick.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    The Right's Pathological Love for Pain is Amusing.

    by Shub-Wankalot

    Just sayin'.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Wow, Palin's trying really hard to flesh out her credentials

    by Quadrillionaire

    for the 2012 election. Republicans meet your nominee for President!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Political figures aside...

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

    Boardwalk Empire is one of the best shows on t.v. right now.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I'm sure they will feature many shots of her with an open mouth.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    She's the Republican's financial sex kitten, after all.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    To be really honest, I don't care about either Beck or Palin. I have always found Beck to be a bit "audacious" to the point of being "pompous" -- which is a quality that I see in people like Obama. I'm not a big Palin fan, although I agree with many things that she says...even though she is constantly attacked by liberals and other figures from "BIG MEDIA." Still, I don't think that I would vote for her. She is almost as polarizing as Barney Frank, Barry Obama and Nancy Pelosi.<p>I just find it ironic that Hercules continues to push the ONLY lowball figure on that rally. </p> It would have been much more HONEST for Hercules to admit that the estimates for the crowd size of Beck's rally were between 87,000 to 500,000 and the estimates for Stewart's rally were from 100,000 to 200,000. Personally (and from all of the photo comparisons that I have seen), I think that there were slightly more people at the Beck rally than Stewart's. However, I am happy that a few hundred thousand people were motivated enough to attend the two rallies.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    "Obama's "accomplishments" went against the will...

    by IndustryKiller!

    ....of a majority of Americans."<P>Bullshit chrism. Health care, on a national level, had almost nothing to do with voter anger. It comes down tot his;people don't have jobs. Obama didn't provide them with jobs effectively enough and so they thought they'd try the other guys. The sad thing is economic policies very rarely can provide jobs, which in recessions are often the first thing to go and the last to come back. Certainly Republican tax cuts won't do it as tax cuts increasing corporate spending is one of the ultimate ignorant economic fallacies. Corporations wont spend in an environment where consumers won't spend. One begets the other, which is why it's such a long slow crawl up the ladder out of these dicey economic situations. If you want jobs, you need MASSIVE stimulus. Americans aren't willing to do that, so they don't get jobs. They made their choice and it's that simple.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Palin is a red herring...

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

    ... she will not be the Republican candidate in 2012. It will be the flipside of the 2008 Democratic primary... every Repub thought Hillary would get the nod, and they prepared their election strategy for her. However, they were not ready for the fresh, lean campaign/cultural movement that was the Obama effect. As for the Repub's possible candidate... I think it will be a sitting (i.e. did NOT quit their job) governor.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Obama is kinda polarizing

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I don't see why that's a bad thing though. If you have something you care about, stick to your principles and let people either agree or disagree. Don't compromise your principles just so the talking heads don't call you "polarizing". As lame of a president I think Obama is, you have to give him credit for doing things his way, or no way. The American people just told him they want absolutely nothing to do with his agenda, and he has said "go fuck yourselves. I'm president, and that's that." Yet, you never hear anyone call him polarizing. Just Palin, who has views that probably 75% of Americans share. To the talking heads, yes she's polarizing. To everyone else, not so much. Present company excluded, of course.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Nice try Jism - you motard

    by Liberal_Warrior

    "Washington officials do not make crowd estimates, but NBC News estimated the turnout at 300,000, while Mr. Beck offered a range of 300,000 to 650,000. By any measure it was a large turnout. " <p> So by your logic nyytimes is also saying the crowd was 300,000 to 650,000. <p> No you motard the article does not endorse any estimate is simply says 'By any measure it was a large turnout.' I still don't see that famed Washington Post article

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    <p>Liberal_Warrior<p>..</p></p>

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    LOL! Is that the best you can do? You can't come up with an argument...so you attack my screen name? <p>It seems like you were probably the fat asshole who hides behind his keyboard in his mom's basement...and is brave when he is alone. You seem to accuse people of things that no one with a moral conscience would do -- so it makes me think that you are guilty of what you accuse others of. </p> <p> You are a sad, sick fuck! </p>Maybe if you weren't such an ASSHOLE, you would actually have a friend outside of cyberspace?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior (Asshole)...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Yeah, my point (if you would have actually read the post with that link) was that NBC estimated a crowd size of 300,000. <p>Try again, dick breath? </p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by redshirt

    We will never know for sure which crowd drew which numbers. Here is a number that is concrete, though. The Glen Beck rally donated 5.8 million dollars to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, for the kids of special forces killed or injured. What did the Stewart rally do that compares?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I don't THINK I'm obsessed with the rallies.

    by Hercules

    Immortal Fish brought them up. <p>I AM certainly interested to learn why a tiny minority of talkbackers believe Beck's estimates more accurate than those of AirPhotosLive. <p> I'm not even certain Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin has challenged the findings of AirPhotosLive subsequent to the release of those findings. <p>If Beck or Palin did challenge AirPhotosLive's findings, I'd certainly be keen to learn why they challenged them.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Oooo, hit a nerve didn't I Jism?

    by Liberal_Warrior

    See Jism, just like you constantly respond to the name 'jism' you got all riled up because I hit the mark dead on about your investment in kleenex products and your mommies basement. <p> I'll bet that pic of Anne the Colt is pretty damn sticky by now, time to cut out another one from Dog World

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Oh come the fuck on

    by Philbert

    Are we back posting the low ball estimates of the Beck Rally again? What tired libtard bullshit. It's no wonder the left lost almost everything in the midterms. Because Libs like herc are fucking clueless and just filled with hate. I bet herc watches Palin every time she is on TV with his hands all over his junk. He seems obsessed. You get a visit from the Secret Service yet?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    There was a pretty big rally on November 2

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I don't know if anyone saw it, but way more people showed up for the republican rally than for the democrat rally. It was like, historic. It was one of those nation-wide rallies I think.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    redshirt

    by Hercules

    I readily confess am I am inexpert with regard to any funds raised at these rallies. I am certain a sizeable number attendees at both rallies agree that helping orphans is a fine and commendable thing.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    "Just Palin, who has views that probably 75% of Americans share"

    by IndustryKiller!

    Cylon Conspiracy gets idiot comment of the talkback. Really? 75% huh? And with all that her party still couldn't take the presidency with her on the ticket or more recently the senate. Or even have the candidates she wholeheartedly endorses, cut from her very cloth, take their respective races? With numbers like 75% I would think that would be easy. I mean it's not like her own party is dreading her running for President because there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of her winning even if Obama gets caught on live TV eating a baby. But you still come up with a number like 75%. WHat kind of insular, hick, idiocracy world do you live in cylon conspiracy?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Mccain doesn't even support her

    by paulloch

    He's been asked several times whether he likes the idea of President Palin, and he just keeps ducking the question, he never even gives a straight answer whether she should run in 2012. And he knows her "qualities" better than anybody on this board. If it's a silent no from him, it should be a vociferous no for palin from all of us.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Once a week

    by Philbert

    We get some weak ass thread where Herc can post his low ball Beck numbers. No one fucking cares. Beck is Crazy, The comedy central duo are no talent hacks. Midterms said it all. Conan is back, fuck the daily showm fuck beck and fuck libtards. There were clearly more people at Beck's rally. Shit the fuck up about that bullshit.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    psstt....

    by cylon_conspiracy

    When I said 75% it was kind of like, making a point by exaggerating a little. Although hell it could be 75%. Maybe more? I don't know. I didn't think anyone was going to take it THAT literally, but I feel sort of bad you decided you needed to. Oh well.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Philbert

    by Hercules

    But WHY do you think AirPhotosLive lowballed the Beck-Palin rally estimates?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Philbert

    by aceattorney

    Couldn't have said it better.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    McCain didn't get support from Republicans

    by cylon_conspiracy

    to begin with. He's probably the most hated republican (to other republicans) of all time. I guess what I'm trying to say is, no one really cares what he thinks.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Herc, thanks!

    by redshirt

    Thanks for replying. The Stewart rally charity was a trust to preserve the national mall. Can't find out how much was raised. I find the choices for the 2 rallies quite telling. Wish Stewart had picked something a bit more noble.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Damn, I fukked up my own joke about Anne the Colt

    by Liberal_Warrior

    The pic that jism faps to should be cut from Dog and Pony World

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Hercules, I have a question

    by cylon_conspiracy

    What is a better indicator of where the country is right now, the attendance of the Beck/Stewart rally, or the historic midterm election we just had?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Hercules is asking a fair question

    by IndustryKiller!

    Color me interested now why you think the numbers were lowballed and why guys like philbert are getting pissed when they seem to not be citing a single even SLIGHTLY believable counter source. I didn't think I cared,, but simply in the name of fair play I suppose I do.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Hercules

    I'm going with the latter.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by cylon_conspiracy

    So, if you're suggesting that more people are into Stewart's views than Beck's views, the election results kind of set that straight.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Cylon, how was hte midterm "historic"?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Republicans took back the house in a time of great economic unrest. Economic unrest brought upon us by a Republican president I might add. Although to be fair the seeds of it go back decades and include both Reagan AND Clinton. But the election isnt even remotely historic. It also says NOTHING about american values and everything about americans not having jobs. I don't think you even have the slightest clue about whats going on in this country right now. You're only interested in making it about Liberal vs. Conservative. America is certainly that, but the economic crisis is about many other things to, to ignore that is folly.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Philbert

    cuz i have eyes and i can clearly see they low balled the numbers. Because AirphotosLive or whatever the fuck it is has some bullshit motive. Maybe Beck did coke off the ass of the wife of one of the Airphotos guys. No idea. They clearly fucked it up when every other media source stated numbers upward of 200,000. Yet, you never mention that. Just constant off topic posts about 87,000 people, when there are clearly more than 87,000 people in those photos. 87,000 would mean that each person at the rally had 13 square feet surrounding them, yet not a lot of green in between those little specks of crazy people.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    I Love Sarah Palin

    by kevinwillis.net

    But I consider all reality television pretty snoozy stuff. As I consider most talking-head punditry on the various cable news channels.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Maltese_Vulcan: I don't believe you touched a nerve

    by Flip63Hole

    But you were tragically wrong. Love the response, though. Defensive much? Back to FauxNews for you...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure

    by Life Proof

    I'm pretty sure that no one actually thinks Palin has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected to anything.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Why is political affiliation more important than the issues?

    by jimbojones123

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Election was about liberal versus conservative.

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Liberal policies scared the hell out of the voters, so the voters voted in the conservatives. That's why we have two parties. So that voters have a choice. People clearly didn't like where Obama, Pelosi, and Reid were taking the country, so they removed as many of those liberal fuckers from office as possible. If it weren't liberal versus conservative, no one would be able to make a choice. But, hey, maybe you're right and I have no idea what's going on in this country, I assume you're the authority on such things. What the hell do I know. I just vote and that's all I can do. I'll leave the heavy analysis to the brilliant minds such as yourself.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    BTW, The Great Rally Controversy

    by kevinwillis.net

    Is kinda silly. Rally attendance doesn't equal votes. The numbers of folks who routinely self identify as conservative is a lot more meaningful than the folks who want to show up at a Beck and Palin rally. <br><br>Frankly, I thought the whole rally thing sounded boring. Even if I could have gone, I wouldn't have. I'd actually be much more interested in the Stewart and Colbert rally. But, at the end of the day, I voted a straight Republican ticket this year.<br><br>Ergo, rally attendance--no matter what it was--doesn't equal votes. Doesn't equal "hearts and minds". It's an abstract number of no particular significance. <br><Br>Also, though I definitely would have picked the Stewart and Colbert rally's over Beck (I like Palin, Beck is, um, entertaining, sometimes, but I really had no interest in an hour of moralizing and crying over Christmas sweaters and Overton Windows and what not), I'd pick San Diego Comi-Con over either of those things.<br><br>However, it's never gonna happen. But my voting precinct is just down the street. I can always make time for that!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Philbert, you're wrong

    by IndustryKiller!

    "every other media source stated numbers upward of 200,000" Nonsense, Beck himself and other conservatives estimated that. I want to see the evidence from guys whose job it is to do this sort of thing. Now mind you I will absolutely accept that number if I have a good reason to, I mean it seems like a fine number to me, but until you show some proof your just making shit up. Also here's an article from one of the guys who tallied the 87,000 number talking about his process. <P>http:// stevedoig.com/ archives/250

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    How Was It Historic?

    by kevinwillis.net

    Second time in history that many seats switched at one time. Probably first time in history the winning party had so many crappy candidate sand ran so many terrible campaigns, and yet still won a huge amount of seats.<br><br> So the Democrats must have really sucked this year. ;)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Jism is defending Beck

    by Judge Briggs

    ... now that is funny. Don't bother arguing with Jism, it's not worth it. Facts and reality aren't part of his world. He's basically Fox, Beck, and Hannity all summed up in one voice of the far right: the voice of the militant ignorance.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Election Was About "These Guys Suck Even Worse!"

    by kevinwillis.net

    I'm pretty sure. Just like 2008 was about "Man, the Republicans suck", and 2006 was kind of about that, too, 2010 was about, "Man, these guys are even worse than the last guys! Let's get some new guys who are like the previous guys but at least aren't *these* guys!" That was what the election was about. <br><br> The huge state legislature wins on the part of Republicans was about the Republicans have a much better ground game than the Democrats. And priorities--redistricting is determined by those legislature and gubernatorial wins.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:20 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by Hercules

    1) I am not suggesting that more people are into Stewart's views than Beck's views. 2) I'm in no way certain the midterm elections demonstrate that more people are "into" Stewart or Beck. A better measure of that is likely the Nielsens.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    MooseMalloy

    by kevinwillis.net

    She'd have to run to be president. I'm betting that's not going to happen. She really seems to see her role as king maker. She wants the next Republican primary winner to have to come kiss her ring. I'd bet a dollar.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    kevinwilliams

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Pretty much my exact sentiments. I'm not a Beck fan but I do like some of the issues he brings up. His theatrical presentation is not my style. I'm also not religious or anything like that.</p> <p> I love Stewart, and Colbert as entertainers, but I don't really agree with their current agenda. But now you got Stewart on Maddow trying to explain he's non partisan, that he's really above it all... it's kind of sad. He wants to be a political figure but feels he has to pretend to be impartial so he can get ratings from the majority (people who are center right). At least MSNBC isn't pretending to be objective the way he is.</p> <p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Conservatives are creatively inept beings, but

    by Flip63Hole

    I'll give Philbert credit for his Beck rally attendance conspiracy theories. Great stuff, Phil! Cherry picking numbers is fun and a great way to flex that bias muscle of yours. And hey Phil, gotta love Beck touting his rally as a "non-political" event, eh? So yeah, you should definitely take everything he says seriously...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Cylon, sorry dude, you're wrong too.

    by IndustryKiller!

    And instead of bickering I'll provide some examples. It wasn't about liberal v. conservative issues. Let's take countryboys "destructive" green initiatives for example, which played no part : http://scienceblogs.com /tfk/2010/11/ climate_change_legislation_did.php? utm_source=networkbanner&Democratsutm_medium=link<P>Mind the gaps in the links. And here's a more sweeping poll from CBS, which, like others, show Americans still have a less favorable view of republicans than Democrats.: http://www.cbsnews.com /8301-503544_162-20022599-503544. html<P> And then you have Mitch Mconnell himself "We know Americans didn't suddenly fall in love with Republicans, they fell out of love with Democrats." So there you have it.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Hercules, Re: Praiseworthy

    by kevinwillis.net

    "Do you know of any Republicans less praiseworthy than Sarah Palin?"<br><br> Um, yeah. Christine O'Donnell. Sharron Angle. Rick Scott. Mark Foley. Plenty of Republicans I've known personally are less praiseworthy than Sarah Palin. <br><br> Tangentially, I'm more into John Stewart than I am Glenn Beck, and I voted a straight Republican ticket this year, and did in 2008, as well (I voted for Palin and that old guy she was running with). But John Stewart rocks.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Fair enough Hercules

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I always got the impression that your constantly bringing up the attendance numbers had some kind of relationship to you believing more people agree with your worldview than Beck's. That's obviously not the case, so at the end of the day the attendance number doesn't mean much.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    I love Sarah Palin, too

    by Colonel Activity

    The difference between her mouth and vagina is that only one retarded thing has come out of her vagina; retarded shit is always coming out of her mouth.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Philbert

    by Hercules

    I am unpursuaded.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Palin as kingmaker?

    by Colonel Activity

    Shouldn't she have a 80%+ accuracy rate? She's a pretty piss-poor at picking winners...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Lol@ making fun of the disabled, Colonel

    by cylon_conspiracy

    You would have made a good stormtrooper (Not the Star Wars kind, the Nazi kind).

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The thing about the claim that most Americans...

    by kaylum

    reject Obama's policies is that it's not so much that they reject the policies themselves per se, but that the right wing media,including Palin, has convinced a large number of them that his policies are scary (death panels!) and will bankrupt the country. And for those who say the right wing doesn't use language as hateful as the liberals use, then why, when they use Obama's full name, do they emphasize his middle name with such venom? They're trying to not-so-subtly add another layer of fear by trying to prove he's not really American, even going as far as to say he hates this country. C'mon!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:32 p.m. CST

    previous post

    by Colonel Activity

    excuse the bad grammar; I was under the influence of that complete cunt-whore, Sarah Palin. May she rot in hell like the scum she is.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I disagree, kaylum

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Your theory is based on the fact that no one has a mind of their own. If that was true, you'd have to include yourself in that--and I don't think you'd want to.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Philbert

    As i knew you would be. You have stuck by the lowball numbers this far, why change now. I really don't care. There were 200,00 nutjobs at Beck's event, and there were 200,000 loser idiots at the comedy central yuckfest. Both rally's were filled with idiots with nothing better to do. Palin is an idiot with no chance of being elected. Of course, that is what I thought about Obama too. I won't watch her show, just as I wouldn't watch a show about barney Fwanks blind dates. Your bias is absurd and intellectually dishonest, Herc.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Hey, I'd have no idea who he was

    by Colonel Activity

    if it wasn't for Palin parading him around. Tsk tsk on her for being such a cynical ass-hat bitch. May she rot in hell like the fucking scum she is.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    So did Palin go ass to ass with Bristol

    by _Venkman

    *Goes back to Walking Dead* *enjoyed Dexter

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah, she's the dangerous one.

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I can tell from the way you express yourself that you are the one who has their act together.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    cylon:re: stewart

    by kevinwillis.net

    I don't have any real problem with Stewart, generally. I could go back to his big f-you to Sarah Palin for calling small town America "real America", which I did have a problem with (really, you went to school, and you don't get what she's sayin'? and that's your response? f*** you?) . . . but, you know, I respect non-crazy, non-paranoid-conspiracy-theory liberals. <br><br> I'm not a big Beck fan. I like Palin, but, again, would never have gone to the rally. But I always self-identify as conservative, and will consider voting against certain Republicans, but usually end up getting more incensed by (and thus voting against) the Democrats. <br><br>Still, point remains. Rally attendance (whatever it was, and how many angels can dance on a head of a pin?) is a non-issues. Says very little. Both of them looked like they drew a pretty big crowd to me, but, again . . . the debate here mystifies me.<br><br>Though I will say, I've never heard of AirPhotosLive. I'd be more prone to go with the WaPo's numbers than WhoTheHeckAreYou?Live's numbers, descriptions of their methodology aside. But that's social proof--they may, in fact, have the most correct numbers. I just never heard of them until the Stewart rally. So, I'm at once dubious, and just don't care. 5 people could have shown up for the Beck rally, it doesn't change whether or what he's right or wrong about. Wouldn't make a difference regarding who I voted for. Or the fact I find his show progressively more unwatchable, every time I stumble across it. ;)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Herc is basing his estimates on SOMETHING, Philbert

    by IndustryKiller!

    YOU have nothing to back up your statement. Don't call him intellectually dishonest. He's the one with a methodology behind his number. I've asked you before and I'm asking you again, back up your fucking claim.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity: Classy!

    by kevinwillis.net

    Seriously. I think you should be held up to all as a standard bearer of liberal thought and rhetoric.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    May I add i'm angry that I have to defend Herc here.

    by IndustryKiller!

    Because the guy has absolutely horrid taste in television and especially comic books. I would really like to get back to yelling at him about those things, so, please philbert, for the sake of my pop culture cynicism, come up with something so I can get back to it.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Well

    by Colonel Activity

    I am more educated than her...and I've never walked away from a job half-finished as an adult. Also, I know that going back to "The Founders"© original intention of the constitution did not include the bill of rights. So, I guess I know more about history, government, and the constitution than she does to. Although, in her defense, she is not qualified to do much more than read high school basketball scores on camera.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller: You Don't Have to Defend Herc

    by kevinwillis.net

    He's a big boy. And you can still criticize his taste in entertainment, which is frequently inexplicably awful. I mean, "counter intuitive".

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Liberal thought

    by Colonel Activity

    Voltaire, Jefferson, Lincoln, Paine, Newton, Einstein, Galileo, etc.<p> Conservative thought: Beck, DeMint, Hitler, Mussolini, Bush

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    DIGRESSION Even if Palin wasn't politically involved....

    by alisa

    This show will suck and does suck anyway. As a person she is unlikeable and obnoxious as is her entire family and the drama that surrounds them. I still have no idea why she is even considered someone to look to as a political leader or a role model for women. I know plenty of women that could do a better job.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    If Palin becomes President (continued)

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>There are going to be a lot of people sitting around thinking to themselves, "how the hell did this happen? I explained to everyone who would listen that she was unqualified, that she was inept, and that she was a total joke! Yet they ignored me and voted for her anyway!"</p> <p>Then they will all move to France/Canada (or threaten too, at least).</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Here

    by Colonel Activity

    The difference between calling Obama "Hitler" and Palin "a cunt" is that Obama has never done anything remotely Hitler-like, whereas Palin has consisitently been a grating, divisive cunt.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Threaten TO

    by cylon_conspiracy

    is what I meant. I must be loosing my mind.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Shaking my head

    by Craig2574

    Herc we all know you are a flaming liberal like Harry but Harry almost never insults people on the right as you do. This is an entertainment blog and not a political blog. It always is unwise to insult readers of this site whom do not agree with you.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    You must be a big hit with the ladies Colonel

    by cylon_conspiracy

    That healthy view of women must really make you stand out from the crowd.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    "Liberal thought" by Colonel Activity

    by jae683

    That was hilarious. You should take that to Vegas. Absurd, but hilarious.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    My main point

    by Craig2574

    is that readers can get their tv news else where than from here. The meat of this site is the movie part

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Craig2574

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Every single time Palin is in the media, no matter how big or small the story, you know Hercules is going to have a talkback about it.</p> <p>I've posted this before but I think it's hilarious, worth reposting:</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/36evkzs</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    You on the right really show your ass when you defend Palin

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    If I were a conservative, I wouldn't want someone speaking for me who 1. Can't name a newspaper or supreme court verdict. 2. Blames Katie COuric when she looks stupid because its all a big liberal conspiracy. 3. Misinforms people on serious issues like healthcare (saying it pays for abortion and there will be death panels), climate change (denying it because she's an "energy expert"), and her own credentials. 4. Quits being governor to go be a celebrity. 5. Thinks Glenn Beck is an actual news source. - Yeah, if I were ROnald Reagan I'd be kicking all of your asses for defending this twat and letting her rule the right.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    If I were a liberal

    by cylon_conspiracy

    The last person I would listen to is a conservative explaining to me how I should be a better liberal.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity: Future (or present) Serial Killer

    by kevinwillis.net

    Someone should check all that freshly turned dirt in the backyard.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the war to start.

    by jae683

    You know it's coming: Liberals vs the Conservatives. Of course it'll be a short war and policies won't have anything to do with it. Conservatives have all the guns. lol

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Cylon_Conspiracy: A Better Liberal

    by kevinwillis.net

    "The last person I would listen to is a conservative explaining to me how I should be a better liberal"<br><br>Ain't that the truth? If I were going to explain how stupid certain conservatives were, I wouldn't call myself "Keeper of the Chimps", either. But, hey. What do I know?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!, I checked out what you said...

    by CountryBoy

    as well as watched a bit of the Palin show. It was actually kind of boring, as I often find unscripted shows to be. <p> Anyway, I found a list of the "damning emails," which were truly amazing; not just the line I referenced, which they actually explained quite convincingly, but talk of "hiding the decline" in temperatures, deleting emails, hoping their opponents never found out there was a freedom of information act, etc. I also note that the only "exonerators"(?) I could find were not really independent (Penn State exonerated a Penn State climatologist? Would you accept that if it were a conservative on the block, being exonerated by, say, the Heritage Foundation?). There may be other authorities, more objective, but I never saw them named. (And they may be no better.) <p> As for ANWR, I'm not sure where you're getting your figures: the US Geological Survey estimates up to 16 billion barrels of oil there: enough to replace our Saudi Arabian imports for decades. I'd go for that.<p>And it's not JUST Gore's plane, it's his whole queasily opulent lifestyle, the mansion, the (in)famous power consumption, just a life of utterly thumbing one's nose at the strictures he tirelessly seeks to impose on others. And I really don't see why he can't just endure first class. If the issue is SOOOO urgent, take an extra two hours to go to the airport, and help the planet! "But he's AL GORE! He's too important, he's not like you!" Sorry, I don't buy it.<P>Uh-oh WALKING DEAD'S on! Gotta go...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I hope TLC/Discovery swallows a bucket full of dicks for this sh

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    I've endured entertainment chimps hawking shows on animal planet, a show glorifying logging, and endless shows about fat people - but this is the last straw for this stupid company of networks. I hope there are lasting consequences to doing an "environmental show" with an anti-environmentalist like Palin. When her fame ends (and it will soon) I hope TLC is left with a big educated-people shaped hole in their ratings.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Let the hate flow, liberals. Keep proving your the least toleran

    by Coughlins Laws

    people in our society. Just look at the blind hatred. As far as Herc being a "Republican", sure you are, kiddo. Why don't you point out one single post you've put up in the last 2 years that proves this. Show me one single time where you didn't side with Obama on an issue or one single time you defended Republicans or conservatives on anything. It's like the Left claiming Colin Powell, or David Frum, or David Brooks are Republicans. Maybe at one time. But certainly not any more. You see, if you side with Democrats on every issue, give us Democrat talking points on every issue, and attack Republicans in just about every column whether it's about politics or not, you can't exactly call yourself a "Republican" and be taken seriously...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Jae683: Short War

    by kevinwillis.net

    Don't be so sure. I've been privy to many torture-porn fantasies of lefties fantasizing about killing conservatives, notable and not-so-notable. I'm not sure they're all that non-violent. Like so much of liberalism, the non-violence is for other people--it doesn't apply to *them*. ;)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    The last time conservatives listened to liberals

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>We nominated John "Maverick" McCain. Why was he a maverick? Because he wasn't afraid to side with the liberals! Good for you John, and thanks for all the times you insulted GWB while he was in office. Your reward is getting your ass kicked by the telegenic man who is half your age. Kinda makes you wonder maybe they wanted us to prop up McCain because they knew he'd lose.</p> <p>Sort of like they DON'T want to prop up Palin, because they know... she could win. If she couldn't win, they wouldn't be so scared of her.</p> <p>In any case if it weren't for the Maverick, we wouldn't have Palin, so in the end something good did come out of it.</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Palin = cunt

    by Colonel Activity

    I know plenty of women who believe the same thing. In fact, most women I know hate her; granted, I've always live in large, educated cities, so it would make sense that everyone I run into would hate such a harpy twat.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Kevin Willis

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Its always good to mock what you don't understand.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    At Coughlins: Herc Could Be a Republican

    by kevinwillis.net

    You can be a registered member of any party, in most cases, without any sort of litmus tests. Thus, there are Democrats who haven't voted for a Democratic politician in decades, and Republicans who almost always vote for the Democrat. There were plenty of registered Republicans who voted for Obama. <br><br>Herc could easily be a registered Republican and a far-left liberal. There's not a ton of them, but he'd hardly be alone.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Conservatives have the military

    by cylon_conspiracy

    'Nuff said.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Not scared of Palln - just amazed at how stupid you all are

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    That you all eat up her shit. I'm pretty sure its because she has a vagina - and many of you on the right haven't seen many of those. Its probably because of your enormous manboobs and creepiness. In anycase - like most on the left I am BEGGING you to nominate Sarah Palin for president. You're RIGHT! She COULD win!! Do it!!! Palin 2012!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Palin is to 2010 what Dan Quayle was to 1992

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    And in 10 years, everyone on the right will pretend that they didn't support her.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Keeper of the Chimps

    by kevinwillis.net

    "When her fame ends (and it will soon) I hope TLC is left with a big educated-people shaped hole in their ratings."<br><br> I'm I to translate that as: all educated people hate the same people I do? Or are disinterested in the same things I am?<br><br> I'm not sure, but that suggests a very limited definition of "educated people". <br><br> Having said that, TLC stood for "The Learning Channel". What am I learning from TLC these days? That anybody married to multiple wives is guaranteed to be a douche bag?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Conservatives have the military?

    by Colonel Activity

    Really? Most soliders I know like their government healthcare and hate chickenhawks like Bush, Cheney, Rove, Chambliss, etc. Backwoods enlisted, maybe, college educated non-fuckheads, not so much.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    At Keeper of the Chimps

    by kevinwillis.net

    "Its always good to mock what you don't understand."<br><br> Well, that's clearly your opinion. Myself, I'm not so sure. But I suppose it suits you.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I don't know Chimps

    by cylon_conspiracy

    </p>It's pretty clear you don't have the conservative interest at heart, so I take your enthusiastic endorsement as a reverse psychology tactic thingie. Like "do the opposite of what I just said." But I'm sharper than that.</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    cylon

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    No, you have it all wrong. Also - keep letting her suggest Senatorial candidates too! Renominate Angle, Miller, Buck, and O'Donnell!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    I'm going to make a controversial statement

    by cylon_conspiracy

    People who brag about their education are extremely insecure, and secretly fear they don't anything that actually matters. It's true!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I'm going to make a controversial statement

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    People that glorify the fact that they are UNEDUCATED should probably not vote.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    KNOW anything that actually matters

    by cylon_conspiracy

    It's like a big bully pushing around a weak kid. Is the bully REALLY a strong, confident kid? No, he's the most insecure kid in class, right? Same thing with people who think they are somehow a member of the intellectual elite when in fact they are actually quite common and boring, and in the case of a few posters here, not particularly eloquent.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Conservatives Have the Military

    by kevinwillis.net

    Um, our political structure is designed to be resistant to military coups, which is a good thing. There's no one side or the other "having the military" so they could seize the government and spread their beneficent enlightenment over all. <br><br> Indications are the political affiliation of enlisted men and women mirrors the American population as a whole. 63% of officers self-identify as conservatives, however, suggesting that the folks who want to make a career our of the military tend to be more conservatives. But that also means that 37% of career military officers don't consider themselves to be conservatives. So I don't think one ideology "has" the military in any monolithic sense.<br><br> BTW, talking about "going to war" because you're on Team Edward and those other folks are on Team Jacob is just brain-dead. In my opinion. You don't like it, campaign for your guy, run for office, or at least show up to vote. If you (or your side) loses, take it gracefully, regroup, and try, try again. Don't frickin' talk about "coming wars" and how your side "has the military", etc., etc.<br><br> We're at least 50 years from that happening. ;)

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by Hercules

    What I post in my column doesn't make me a Republican. A piece of paper in the Tarrant County Registrar's Office does that. <p>And Republicans, as you know, are permitted to criticize other members of the GOP. During primaries, particularly, we've been known to do so with no paucity of vim.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    How do you define educated though?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    For example, if you are fluent in Klingon, you could technically say you are more educated than I in that particular subject. But does knowledge of Klingon serve any sort of useful purpose in the world? Does it give you any sort of advantage? I think not! It's not so much THAT you know about a topic, it's the advantage that particular knowledge gives you in life. When it comes to liberals, they know an awful lot about theories that just don't work in the real world. Which would make them technically "educated", but also breathtakingly ignorant at the same time.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Educated

    by Colonel Activity

    Degrees in Mass Comm (PR emphasis) and Philosophy; currently attending law school in MSP. That is educated.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    "Conservatives Have the Military"

    by Hercules

    Certainly not the ENTIRE military, I trust. I seem to remember a rather pleasant former general named Powell backing Obama two years ago.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    That's right, more hate. Keep it flowing, liberals. Show America

    by Coughlins Laws

    how tolerant you are. As far as Sarah Palin, why does it have to be love or hate her existence? I don't like her anymore and don't want her to be President, but that doesn't mean she's "crazy" or a "cunt". I just don't get the Left's hate. You can vote against her if she runs (don't worry, she most likely won't and will never be elected if she does), but seriously, why waste time on hating her and calling her names? Makes no sense to me...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Cylon, umm never talked about my own education

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Maybe I'm a high school drop out. Either way, I wouldn't want someone guiding me politically who is stupid. Call me crazy, but I think stupid people shouldn't be in charge of countries. Maybe thats just me being elite. But WOW Cylon - must have hit a nerve?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Herc, you're not fooling anybody. Quick, tell me the last

    by Coughlins Laws

    Republican you voted for. Quick, tell me the last conservative position you've taken in this column. Quick, tell me the last time you disagreed with Democrats...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah I used to be an elitist snob

    by cylon_conspiracy

    So it does bother me when I see kids going down the same road. I grew out of it though, so maybe you will too.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Woah! Careful with the butthurt Herc!

    by gurugurugaijin

    And remember, crowd size matters! It shows that even though they threw the biggest party in America, we still beat their asses in the election. Ouch!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Coughlins - because she's arguably the most powerful person in t

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    She has a horrendous influence over about 45% of the country who will follow every word she says blindly and defend any mistakes she makes as some sort of liberal conspiracy. Yeah - there's totally enough reason to "waste your time" hating her. It won't last, but for now its pretty fucking scary. Funny how its all John McCain's fault.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis.net

    by cylon_conspiracy

    My point is that I doubt that if the president ordered the military to turn on the American people that they would follow orders.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Cylon, it doesn't seem that you have much to be elitist about

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Maybe I'm missing some hidden wit? Some enigmatic intellect?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Herc, you can criticize Republicans all you want.

    by Coughlins Laws

    That's not the point. But Colin Powell is clearly no longer a Republican. He pretty much helped Obama over the top in the last election over the kind of Republican he says he wanted, the most moderate one that ran. He chose to back a very liberal Democrat over a moderate Republican who sides with Democrats on many issues. He ceased to be a Republican when he did that...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Defining Educated

    by kevinwillis.net

    I went to art school. I got a BFA. Would have done graduate studies in art, if I could have gotten my parents to pay for it. I couldn't. So I had to get a job . . . and thus, went (most) of my liberalism. ;)<br><br> Supposed lack of education is just a cudgel with which to advance a pre-ordained truth. Erudite and deeply educated conservatives, such as William F. Buckley, or broadly credential economists like Thomas Sowell, don't change their minds about anything. Thus, it turns out, education (or lack there of) has no actual bearing on their opinion of conservatives or conservatism.<br><br> It's not about education or lack thereof. Intelligence is defined as being smart enough to be a liberal, or stupid enough to be a conservative.<br><br> To quote Bill Buckley: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I'd have to say if you are a supporter of Obamacare

    by cylon_conspiracy

    There's a good chance you are not an ideological conservative.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Keeper Of Chimps

    by jae683

    Where do you get this crap? What horrible 'influence' did she have over anyone? Are you so arrogant that you can't fathom anyone willing disagreeing with you without some 'outside' influence? I don't need Palin to tell me I disagree with a good many 'liberal' policies.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    "But Colin Powell is clearly no longer a Republican."

    by Hercules

    That was my point. I think. I sense a lot of Go Obama among those G.I.s and jarheads. Don't you?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    @cylon: president, not king

    by kevinwillis.net

    "My point is that I doubt that if the president ordered the military to turn on the American people that they would follow orders."<br><br>The president can't do that, except for the National Guard. More importantly, the president won't do that. Any president, of any party, would find it structurally impossible to declare martial law and suspend elections and make him (or her)self president for life. That has nothing to do with the political affiliation of the members of our military, but how it is structurally developed. We don't spend a lot of time discussing it, but our civilian military is structurally brilliant. It's the way to go. <br><br> For all the talk about chickenhawks, I'd much prefer the chickenhawks in charge instead of General El Presidente (who settled the last close election by rolling into DC with his tanks and taking the job for himself). Which is a tangent, but still. It's a good thing.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST

    I went to art school too

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>And used what I learned to build a career. Any other education I have gotten has been on my own, basically just reading a lot. You never stop learning. My beef with people bragging about being "educated" is they think the second they get their degree, they are "done". They are "officially educated." Thus, someone like Obama, who most would say is very well educated, doesn't actually KNOW ANYTHING of value that is applicable to his current job (mainly, common sense, a grasp of history), yet someone like Palin, who is less educated, at the time of the 2008 election had more PRACTICAL wisdom (not to mention real world executive experience)than Obama, and was thus more qualified to be president.</p> <p>And here we are, two years later.. all of Obama's "wisdom" is clearly not worth anything, the fact that he never had a real job in his life is quite apparent, and the "time tested truths" and "common sense conservative" values Palin espouses still work, still have real, practical value, and will be the values and policies that will pull us out of the mess we are in, two years from now. Fortunately the last election will stop some of the bleeding, and maybe we'll be able to slowly get back on our feet again.</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Erm...

    by Rendell

    Seems to me theres a lot of hate to go around from both sides of this talkback. <p><p>No claiming the "Moral high-ground" for any of you...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I think the military is still predominately conservative.

    by jae683

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Palin's

    by Keeper Of Chimps

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Hercules: Re: Jarheads

    by kevinwillis.net

    "I sense a lot of Go Obama among those G.I.s and jarheads."<br><br> From Armytimes:<br><br> When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic, according to a Military Times survey."<br><Br>http://thinkexist.com/quotation/liberals_claim_to_want_to_give_a_hearing_to_other/332085.html<br><br> I think phrases like "conservatives have the military" are, um, ill-chosen, let's say?<br><br>But let's not let our personal prejudices attempt to repeal reality, shall we? There's less Go Obama amongst the Jar Heads and GIs than amongst the general public.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    So, Herc, when did you start supporting Democrats and

    by Coughlins Laws

    why don't you change your voter registration. You clearly don't agree with Republicans on any policies so it makes no sense for you to say you're a Republican. That'd be like Tom Cruise saying he's married and has kids, but even though he fucks other guys (allegedly), he's still straight. I'm sorry, but just because he's married, doesn't make him straight.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    "Palin's practical Wisdon"

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Cylon, alright I feel elite next to you. You win.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Rendell: Moral Highground

    by kevinwillis.net

    I claim it. For myself, and my people. Let us join forces and rule it together.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    As far as other views

    by Colonel Activity

    It's hard to give credence to such views like "trickle down" economics and deregulation when they clearly do not work. I hear a lot of "Clinton started the deregulation" prattle from the right as if this gives credence to the idea that a liberal president caused the impetus of the economic downturn. Problem is, that was a conservative idea. Phil Gramm's conservative idea, to be exact. So, technically it is correct to say that Clinton started the deregulation that would eventually crash the economy in 2008, but what you're really saying is that he was fucking stupid for trying a disproven dumb fuck conservative idea.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Moral Highground ...

    by jae683

    Death to the heathens! So say us all.

  • Neither has done shit for anyone. For all of the people that hate Obama, show me exactly what the Republicans have brought to the table in recent years. Anything? Not for nothing but all of you people touting the "big Republican win" didn't win shit. People didn't vote for Republicans. They voted because they were dissatisfied with current policies. In two years they'l do the same shit to Republicans too.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Sin86a

    by jae683

    I actually think the 2 party system is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. This 'platform' voting just creates lazy thinking.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST

    A Voted for a Democrat 4 Years Ago

    by kevinwillis.net

    For governor. A conservative Democrat. I also voted for Harold Ford, Jr. for senate (he lost), and the Democrats hate him, so I still think that was a good decision. Does that mean I have to register as a Democrat now? Or re-reigster every time I vote for a different party (since I voted a straight Republican ticket this year, would I have to re-register as a Republican, because I had voted for a Democrat 4 years before? And since even when I have voted for a Democrat, it's usually a split ticket, would I have to register as half Democrat and half Republican? <br><br>This sounds very confusing. I think Herc has the right idea. Stick with the registration, because, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter a hill of beans. You can vote for who you want.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Can we just nuke ourselves at this point?

    by KazamaSmokers

    I mean... this is it? This is what we have become? This is the health of the body politic in America? No one willing to put aside ideology? Everyone on one team or the other? Each team seeing the other as "the enemy"? It's OVER folks. The nation is bankrupt. The people are obese arrogant dullards. We don't have a single leader capable of eloquence and inspiration. All we seem capable of anymore is to thump our chests and crow about our supposed exceptionalism, but it's a joke. What do we do anymore? What do we fix? What do we cure? All we do is sit on our asses and whine and point fingers. Where's our next Norman Borlaug? Our next Frances Kelsey? Where's our next good, decent, humble, honest leader? We have thrown aside our ability to create those people, in favor of sound and fury signifying nothing. Maybe we should just do ourselves a favor and put ourselves out of our own misery. You know what America has become? America has become the nation-state equivalent of the last three seasons of the X-Files.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis.net

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>"I think phrases like "conservatives have the military" are, um, ill-chosen, let's say?"</p> <p>Alright dude you made your point, lol. You're reading more into my statement than I was even trying to bring up.</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    2 Party Voting

    by kevinwillis.net

    I like the idea of 2nd preference (preferential) voting. So you can vote for who you like most, and then who you want your vote to go to if it turns out that the guy you really want has no chance in hell of winning. They do that in Australia. But I'm not sure it actually improves governance. I think two party is probably as effective as multi-party, or multi-cameral governments are. I'm not sure there's a system that can involve human beings, and still be an improvement.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Actually, Colenel Activity, the policies you're talking about

    by Coughlins Laws

    clearly DID work. Ronald Reagan's policies lead to the longest consecutive peace time expansion in the country's history, totally ending the double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment that Jimmy Carter handed him. As far as Bush, we had 7 and a half years of a robust economy, with greater economic growth and lower unemployment than Clinton or Obama gave us. It wasn't till the very last quarter of Bush's Presidency (when Democrats had been controlling Congress for 2 years and Bush was a lame duck) did the economy start going south. And guess what, Obama has done NOTHING to stop unemployment. The failure Obama has done nothing but make unemployment worse. He's admitted that he lied about there being "shovel-ready jobs" in his so-called stimulus. Why do you think Americans now prefer Bush being back in charge than to having Obama be President? Why do you think Obama lead Democrats to their worst defeat in over 70 years? Because of Obama, there are less Democrats in Congress than there have been since 1934. That's pretty stunning. The American people have seen what a failure Obama is at every thing he does and are rejecting him...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Will People Vote Out Republicans . . .

    by kevinwillis.net

    In two years? Maybe. If the economy doesn't improve. Or if Obama has coat tails in 2012. However, the Democrats have more seats to defend than Republicans in the next two senate election cycles--always a bad sign. So, I'm not so sure.<br><br> I'm still likely to vote against Democrats in 2012. Not guaranteed. But likely. Because I figure, given two bad choices, I'll vote for the one that I find the least horribly offensive. That tends to be Republicans, are very conservative or "maverick" Democrats.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis

    by jae683

    The problem I have with the 2 party system is that it's become what I call 'spy vs spy' politics. Meaning that one party is more worried about beating the other guy than actually creating a policy that's best for the country. Both parties do it. And, like the Mad Magazine cartoon, both end up losing, sooner or later. Both parties are great at rhetoric, but when's the last time we've seen anything of substance out of our government?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis, you're right. It DOESN'T matter how you're register

    by Coughlins Laws

    But he was trying to "prove" to us that he's a Republican when he clearly isn't. Maybe he was a Republican at one time, or maybe being a Republican in Texas is different than nationwide, but the point is he clearly isn't a Republican now, and I don't like the idea of someone who agrees with the Democrats on almost every issue voting in a GOP primary. He can call himself whatever he wants, but he is definitely NOT a conservative. He's a liberal and he's trying to deceptively convince people he's NOT...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Do you think TRON Legacy will be just as religious as TRON?

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Oh, sorry. I was getting bored and must have drifted on to another topic. Oh and... Coughlin, if you think that the last election was just about the American People rejecting Obama, you, like most conservatives, are in for some SHIT in two years.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Hercules was suggesting he was an oldschool republican, and intimating that anyone who disagreed with him wasn't as genuine of a republican as he was. It was very transparent, and very laughable. If you are an ideological conservative (you believe in small government, states rights, etc)no way in hell you're going to be for Obama.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    It wasn't about rejecting Obama personally

    by cylon_conspiracy

    it was worse than that, they were rejecting his policies. His agenda. What he believes in. The direction he is taking the country in.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Actually Coughlin

    by Colonel Activity

    Reagan was death for the middle class, was not good for unemployment, terrible for crime, and exploded the deficit. And to claim Bush was anything other than an abject failure or to blame his Medicare part D boondoggle, wars of choice, or his budget busting tax cuts for Paris Hilton and the like on Democrats will only expose you as the hack you are. You lose.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Folks Talk About Deregulation and Tax Cuts

    by kevinwillis.net

    As if they have inherent properties of goodness or badness, or that any tax cut is identical with any other tax cut, or if any regulation is identical with any other regulation. It seems to me that this is self-evidently not so: a tax cut on the middle class is not the same as a tax cut on the very rich. Nor is it the same, economically, as a cut in capital gains taxes or a cut in corporate taxes. An income tax is not the same as a tariff, and they will have differing effects on the economy.<br><br>In the same way, a regulation against using certain property for commercial activities is different from a regulation requiring that bond agencies publish their ratings processes for a given financial instrument. It's one thing for the government to attempt to micromanage the price of a steak at the butcher shop (a regulation) and quite a different one to establish standards by which streets and roads are designed and striped( also regulation), etc. Some regulations clearly are valuable. Some, perhaps not so much. Periods of economic activity have clearly followed certain tax policies, at least in many sectors. At other times, not so much. <br><br>Even so, I'd like to hear the argument as to why it would be a good idea to raise taxes on the middle class during a recession, or what the arguments there are against cutting them even further. Is a tax cut on a family of four making $60,000 a year the same as a tax cut on a single individual making $1,000,000 in personal, non-business income? Or are they both bad, because "tax cuts" are always bad? <br><br> Didn't the last cut in the capital gains tax exactly match an increase in revenues to the IRS from the same, just cut tax? Just saying, it is possible, in some cases, for tax cuts to actually increase federal revenues. So that seems like a net good, if you ask me.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    and most elitists will say that

    by cylon_conspiracy

    "voters were confused, they were angry, they lashed out. Forgive them for they know not what they do." This is because they can't comprehend anyone being confronted with such "educated" liberal policies and not having an orgasm from it. Obama ran as a centrist. Not as a hardcore progressive. Now that he's shown what he really cares about, people realize they were duped and couldn't wait to get to the polls to express how they felt about having the wool pulled over their eyes.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Colonel Activity

    Reagan raised taxes more than anyone in the history of the United States because his tax cuts were unsustainable. Even the most casual of political observers know that, you fat fucking piece of shit.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Re: on tax cuts

    by Colonel Activity

    Tax cuts to the wealthy are inherently bad since they do not spend them. If the idea is to stimulate the economy, then they are, in fact, inherently bad.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Cylon, you and COughlin give me great faith that Obama gets a 2n

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    The reason that the democrats got smacked was because its all about voting out the current crop of politicians - who all happen to be democrat at this point. The American people, at large, don't give a shit about these Glenn Beck / Sarah Palin conspiracies of "Obama turing the God-fearin' US into a Socialist Sharia State". They want shit to change. They don't care who does it - they want jobs, they want money, and they want something effective to happen. I'm pretty sure that most of the tea party fuckwads they voted in aren't going to give them what they want. The right will pat themselves on the back and see this as a referendum on Obama - and they'll stonewall everything and nothing will get done. Then they'll pay the price for it. Keep thinking the way that you do. Keep thinking that the entire country is a fox news loving, intelligence hating, baptist wingnut.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    @jae: Spy-vs-Spy

    by kevinwillis.net

    "but when's the last time we've seen anything of substance out of our government?"<br><br>Agreed! I agree, it's a problem, and both sides do it. I just don't know that a multi-party system does anything but make the spy-vs-spy backbiting more complicated. It still seems to happen in countries with more than two robust political parties.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Can we agree

    by Colonel Activity

    That financial regulation is generally good, that health regulations are good, and that tax cuts that triple the deficit in eight years are bad?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Regan was not death to the middle class.

    by jae683

    My family and every family I knew was middle class during those years, and we all did just fine. Man, the rhetoric is getting thick in here. Seems to me the only person the liberals hate more than Palin is Regan.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Take it from me

    by WerePlatypus

    The average high school student, in general, doesn't know anything. Anything. About the recent election, Obama, Palin, Health Care, or any of our country's issues or political processes. Two years ago, I had alot of fun posting and arguing and making fun. But now. . . I know, I KNOW that we are SO incredibly screwed, and I foresee no solution or consistently successful method of student engagement into our political process, no engagement into ANY real system of values, and certainly no ability to make logical, cogent arguments based on facts and reasonable use of verbal and written communication skills. Is it me? Is it you? Are we the role models for these kids? Are we involved? Can we SHOW through our real world actions that we care, and not just TELL others via anonymous message boards that we really give two shits about anything at all? Really? Fuck you all, you hypocrites.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Keeper Of Chimps

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I just patted myself on the back, felt good, thanks for the suggestion. Kind of like it's "appreciate cylon" day. Yay me!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Can we also agree

    by Colonel Activity

    That it's not Obama's fault that corporations have made record profits and still won't hire? And that Bush is Little Lord Fauntleroy?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    New rule

    by WerePlatypus

    No posting on a political thread the day before six weeks grades are due.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Cylon, I'm sorry that you're upset about how stupid you are but.

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    You need to get rid of that chip on your shoulder. Not everyone thats smarter than you is an elitist. Go hang out with Wal-Mart greeters. I'm sure, as someone who loves Sarah Palin's "common sense traditional wisdom" you spend a lot of time enjoying Made In The USA products at Wal-Mart. Hang out with the greeters and you'll feel better about yourself. Also, there are good shows that aim at your level - According to Jim might be a good one for you. Some good movies too! How about "Gone Fishin'" with Danny Glover? Any of the Ernest movies would fit the bill too. Cheer up! The world needs the simple folk too!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Keeper of the Chimps!

    by kevinwillis.net

    Tron Legacy may not be as religious as Tron, but elements will still be in there. But I love the debate about if the users really existed, and Sark advising them to abandon their hysterical religious beliefs in the users, and pledge all fealty to the MCP. *sigh* <br><br>Good times, good times.<br><br> Cannot frickin' wait to see Tron Legacy. But then, I loved the original Tron, and have seen the movie about 100 times now. And I'm pretty open minded. They'd have to really mess it up for me not to like it, and I've seen no sign that they're really going to mess it up.<br><br>On another, yet slightly related topic, am I the only person who loved Neo's conversation with The Architect in Matrix: Reloaded? I like the whole movie, but I've stopped and re-watched that particular part several times.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Keeper Of Chimps

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Don't know if you picked up on this, but I got bored talking to you a few posts back. Thanks for participating.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Serial Activity: Can We Agree?

    by kevinwillis.net

    "That it's not Obama's fault that corporations have made record profits and still won't hire?" <br><br>Yes.<br><br> And that Bush is Little Lord Fauntleroy? <br><br>Well, maybe in your own personal fantasy. Is he sitting in your lap?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    From the trailer for Tron Legacy

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I get that Jeff Bridges is God, Clu(?) is Satan, and Jeff Bridges Jr. is of course Jesus. Pretty on the nose. Not sure how Daft Punk fit into that mythology but I can't wait to buy the soundtrack.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    KW, I'm very psyched about Tron Legacy

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    I showed my 7 year old Tron and he got REALLY into it. I am, in fact, listening to the TRON 1982 soundtrack right now. Any word on if Daft Punk is going to retain the same musical themes?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Whoa

    by Colonel Activity

    What's with this sick fantasy about you watching a man with George Bush as Little Lord Fauntleroy in some sick little game of Santy Clause? I was just referring to him being a whiny little prick. You have some issues.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    BTW: Obama Gets a 2nd Term

    by kevinwillis.net

    Unless he's primaried. There's only been a few incumbent presidents who were defeated in a straight race (one being Herbert Hoover). In most cases, incumbents win unless they decline to run, or face primary or 3rd party challengers, or (and this has not happened recently, and won't happen to Obama), the party simply decides not to nominate the incumbent to run (not even sure that would be possible under the current primary system for the Dems).<br><br>So, if you've got a fantasy of Obama getting the boot in 2012, you better keep an eye out for him facing a primary challenge or 3rd party (preferably someone who runs to his left). <br><br>Otherwise, Obama is almost guaranteed to win a 2nd term. However, he may not have coat tails, and may lose seats in the house or senate, even while winning a 2nd term.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Religious parallels from Tron 1982

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Flynn - Jesus, Master Controller - Ciaphas/secular world, Tron - religious warrior, Dillinger - Satan? I don't now where that leaves Sam Flynn for Legacy.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity: Thanks for the Clarification

    by kevinwillis.net

    Because the way you said it the first time, you really sounded like a total perv.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Obama Primaried

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Read a great article about that scenario yesterday:</p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/2fm5qu9</p>

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Chimps: Down to 10 Minutes of Laptop Juice

    by kevinwillis.net

    And I left my power cord elsewhere! But, agreed. I can't get either of my girls psyched about Tron Legacy (and, last year, my oldest was stoked about anything 3D, but now she's so over that).<br><br>Re: Daft Punk giving us some Wendy Carlos! No word, from no where. And they've talked about the soundtrack plenty, but have conspicuously avoided mentioning it. I just want a few references. Some cues. Just remember. But I also want at least one old program in spandex with a skull cap, just to show they can still do it old school. But that may just be me. :) <br><br>I'll be irked (but still happy, I'm sure) if they don't use any Carlos cues. But there's been no sign so far. <br><br> Solar Sailor is in there. Grid bugs? What do you think? 7 minutes of power now. I'm so out of here. Later!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Religion in Tron Legacy

    by kevinwillis.net

    "I don't now where that leaves Sam Flynn for Legacy."<br><br> "You're father is the creator", from one of the trailers. I think it's clearly a switch. Kevin Flynn is God as Colonel Kurtz, Sam Flynn is Jesus as played by Martin Sheen.<br><br> Moving to my iPhone. Will read, even if I don't post.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    KW< Totally agree on the skull caps!

    by Keeper Of Chimps

    Every hint looks like there going to keep up the continuity with the original - I can't imagine that Daft Punk doesn't through the Wendy Carlos theme in there - it was pretty iconic (especially since it was in the video games and all). I'm out too - off to dream about light cycles and NOT Sarah Palin!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Coughlin Laws = Fiction

    by chiwrtr72

    Coughlin do you just make stuff up? "Why do you think Americans now prefer Bush being back in charge than to having Obama be President?" I know of no Americans who think that. The GOP winners didn't mention Bush at all. "Why do you think Obama lead Democrats to their worst defeat in over 70 years?" Um... in 94 the GOP won back both houses. This year they just won one. The GOP victory was striking but the bs you are piling on makes me remember why I stopped voting GOP have George H Bush lost.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    You're a fucking idiot Hercules

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Ofcourse a BLACK Gen like Powell is going to support Obama. 99.99% of all black people regardless of their background or political affiliations support Obama because....wait....wait for it...it's coming....BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING BLACK...well at least 50% black. Black people are almost totally engulfed with skin color....try reading Ebony, Jet, Black Men's Mag, etc... or watch just one hour of BET. It's all you hear "Black this or Black that"! I'm going to kill you tonight for your ignorant statement

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Keeper Of Chimps...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Spoken like a true liberal pedophile. Your way of thinking isn't even coherent on a subhuman level. I'm gonna go ahead and chalk up that monkey garbage you posted earlier to your terminal brain cancer. You are a liberal pussy talking out of your ass....it's amazing you have enough testosterone in your frail lesbian body to exert enough force to push down the keys of your computer. You are 100% Toad Pussy

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    good lord

    by pushthebuttonmax

    I just came in to see if anyone had posted their impressions of the show and look what I found!

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    If that's true

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Then there's about 100 talkbackers I could send to jail right now for threats made to me.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    pushthebuttonmax

    by cylon_conspiracy

    The irony being, no one here has actually seen the show, including me.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, midnight CST

    William_Faulkner

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Charges should be pressed against you for that threesome you had with those 2 little boys

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Go back to Aint it Choppah news William_Faulkner

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Go chat with your fellow fags you dick sucking rat

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Palin is a bad joke

    by GornPirate

    Seriously. The fact that polls show about a quarter of the country still think this woman is qualified to be president speaks volumes about the level of stupidity in this country. I guess George Carlin was right after all about our politics. Its not the politicians faults. Its the public that they come from and puts them in office. Garbage in Garbage Out. This is really the best we can do?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    You're right GornPirate

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    look at the garbage in office right now. We might as well elect Oprah next time...with Flavor Flav as VP. Palin is red neck idiot, but don't for a second think that Obama is a capable leader. That dude is dog shit and the second coming of Carter

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    This entire talkback

    by MugenOh

    is a political microcosm of why we as a country can't have nice things.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    By definition

    by Colonel Activity

    A little under half of this country has below average intelligence. Add to that the media in America and you can see why this is such a spectacularly dumb nation.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Herc! Principled people on the left don't like obamacare

    by Neo Zeed

    Check out this Huffington Post article that exposed the healthcare bill. http://tinyurl.com/yd47t9c Besides, Obama is just George W. Bush the sequel with all the neverending wars, the horrible police state measures, and what not.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    MugenOh

    by Ribbons

    Yup, pretty much. I really don't feel like having it out here but this post pretty much sums up the head-slapping hypocrisy of armchair politics to me. The fact that neither side is capable of seeing it both raises a lot of questions and explains a lot of things: <br> <br> "What tired libtard bullshit. It's no wonder the left lost almost everything in the midterms. Because Libs are fucking clueless and just filled with hate. I bet herc watches Palin every time she is on TV with his hands all over his junk."

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:07 a.m. CST

    A link that might help Herc.

    by gurugurugaijin

    http://www.ehow.com/how_2129389_change-voter-registration.html

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Why do military men vote Republican?

    by ganymede3010

    When it's the Republican lawmakers who vote NO every-time whenever there's legislation that would increase their pay and benefits?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Half-Baked Alaska...

    by Charlie & Tex

    God help the world if that lunatic gets in...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:31 a.m. CST

    She's kinda pretty.

    by chainsaw_shawn

    In a I would take her back from the club, fuck her in the ass and nut in her mouth and never call her back kinda way... She isnt the type that inspires a long term relationship. lmao.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin's Alaska

    by Fing Fang Foom

    Lemme get this straight. You quit being governor of a state 18 months into being sworn in, go on to pocket 15 million, then star in a reality TV show with that state's name in the title, like it's your bitch that you didn't just abandon. You quit being governor for BS reasons and blamed in on who? the media? really? Anyone buying this? Pretty ballsy. Why did she have to quit again?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Talkbacks like this are a back-up argument for the large Hadron

    by JuanSanchez

    Collider. Cause, hey - if they accidentally open a black whole that destroys the earth - at least these people will be dead.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    CountryBoy, we consume 21 millions barrels a day

    by IndustryKiller!

    of Oil int eh United States. What kind of insane statistic says a total of 16 millions barrels keeps us off of saudi oil? None, that's how many. Domestic Oil, for the second time, is a red herring bullshit issue.<P>And a simple google search brings up the exoneration of the climategate scientists, here's one example: http:// blog.seattlepi.com/ seattlepolitics/archives/213825.asp<P>I'm sure you can find plenty of others with the bare minimum of research.<P>as for your al gore problem, that's sounds bizarrely personal. If you think Al Gore thinks he's better than you, that has no bearing on Al Gore, or the inarguable science of climate change.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Ehm... guys, one of your top politicians has a reality show

    by David Cloverfield

    How the fuck do you live with yourselves. And she may be a republican presidential nominee? If this was on one of the channels in Robocop, a few years ago we would have said "Verhoven, please, keep the satire smart."

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by smackfu

    It's easy to perceive 'liberal bias' in the media due to the fact that, and this is a complete and utter coincidence, sane people's viewpoints frequently tend to coincide with liberals viewpoints. I mean, it's not like the concept of Sarah Palin being a walking joke is some kind of rogue liberal idea. Pretty much entire world sees her this way, including most of your own political party. IMO she's a perfect litmus test to help determine whether or not partisan vitriol has demented ones mind - Basically, if you actually believe this dumb, ridiculous caricature of a person should be President, or Vice President, your logic centers have become horribly tainted by the political dog and pony show. Beauty Pageant contestants who answer political questions with colloquialisms and who have written more books than they've read should not be in control of the free world, this is a no-brainer, pardon the pun.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:53 a.m. CST

    She Is A Would-Be Hitler With A Reality Show

    by Media Messiah

    She would be dangerous, if she was smart, but her stupidity, may make her even more dangerous than Hilter (an intellectual) ever was--on his best day--should she make it to the White House, or continue to influence politics in high political circles.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    WOW - HERC?

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Says he's a Repub??????? <p> I don't need to see any papers. <p> Anyone who watches Buffy the Vampire Slayer and isn't either A) Trig Palin or B) a 10 yo girl CANNOT be a "gun toting bible lovin' big drinkin' Texan from good ol red TaxaS". <p> Herc watched an episode of Angel WHILE posting this from his room is his parents basement, a room littered w/ Liberal propaganda posters like YES WE CAN DUOTONE OBAMA POSTERS and motivational posters like "AWESOME - your cool have an awesome day". <p> Palin is about as inept a republican as Herc. Infact, "Friefly" and "Buffy" are probably Palin faves.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:06 a.m. CST

    You just got fucking served Herc

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Pachooow!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:23 a.m. CST

    NOT Cool News!

    by Uncle Stan

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST

    SARAH PALIN'S METHED OUT TRAILER PARK

    by LaserPants

    Cmon all y'all teabaggin teabigots! It's time to kick start the Final Solution! YEEEHAW! You betcha! <br><br> The End of America isn't coming, IT'S HERE.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Please get rid of Herc.

    by Deathpool

    His juvenile jabs at Jay Leno and Conservative/Republicans is getting sad. No one cares about this at all, but hey, he gets a chance to make fun of Sarah Palin so why not, right?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Nancy Pelosi's SAN FRANCISCO

    by ron2112

    In case anyone needs some counter-programming: http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/11/14/nancy-pelosis-san-francisco/

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:03 a.m. CST

    by Moonchild_316

    At least this reality show is confined to TLC, I for one am really bored by these shows on the whole. By the crop of cancellations this season it seems nobody else is interested in scripted TV, or at least that the writers aren't interested in producing anything of quality as reality is such an easy option. Would watch this for the scenery and Palin certainly is fascinating in her popularity. I would NEVER vote for her, even if I didn't disagree with her on every level I would have a problem with her public service record. She can't be planning to run in 2012 and say she hates being in a yuppy office or whatever? I personally am very wary of some of the Tea Party views and many of their candidates. I think they are damaging and backwards and for the most part just spew vitriolic hatred. But I also think the other side is escalating, we already have one completely impartial 'news' organisation I wish the others wouldn't follow suit.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Always the Best TBs, Garaunteed, Or Your Chin-Bile Back!

    by Flummage

    Nothing more dispiriting, enthralling and then rationality-affirming than a political talkback on the AICNs. Little else beats it in co-axial, except perhaps except a particularly inscrutable, cypheric Don Draper eyebrow raise. And Herc's a Republican, to boot. Well played, good sir. Well played. <br /> <br /> A calm, moderate, reasoned voice, challenging the cognitively flabby, radioactively stupid hysteria of the right or the left, is always a welcome thing to observe in political discourse. See you next time, hernia fans.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Politics Aside

    by DangerDave

    Palin is a moron and deserves as much attention and those idiots on the Jersey Shore. <P> Anyone that gives her more than a pass should not be allowed to reproduce. <P> As far as her running in 2012; please do. I really want America to go out with a simpering wimper as we decline into a fallen empire, and the Chineese run the world. Then they will REALLY cry about Socialism.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Palin is a fuckin retard...that's old news

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    but so is Obama....but the difference is that I'd rather fuck Palin. But after listening to some of you fags, I think ya'll prefer Obama's caramel colored cock stuffed between your willing jaws.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:10 a.m. CST

    William_Focker

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I have been banned many times, but much like those herpe sores around your anus....I'm not going away.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    DangerDave- A. Men.

    by ScaryWaitress

    Seriously.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    by DangerDave

    Son, I am disappoint.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I really despise most of you people.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    Yes, I dislike you for your psychotic hatred of the lovely Sarah Palin, but I despise you because I know that most of you have bad-mouthed the incomparable Kristin Kreuk in her magnificent role as Lana Lang on Smallville. I can never and will never forgive you for that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    PALIN BRINGS DOWN HOME, COUNTRY COMFORT TO MY LIVING ROOM

    by BringingSexyBack

    Does she go hunting for Liberals and blacks?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    PALIN MAY NOT THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY

    by BringingSexyBack

    But she *is* the President of our hearts.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    A REALITY SHOW ABOUT SARAH PALIN?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Do we get to see her signing political endorsement contracts and negotiating her choice of hotel for speaking engagements?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    It is impossible to argue with people who choose to believe

    by ScaryWaitress

    the OPPOSITE of reality. <P> Seriously, you want to believe Glenn Beck had a bigger turnout... you just go nuts. It's like the whole birther bullshit... you could have his birth certificate IN YOUR HAND, and you would still want to believe he wasn't born in this country. <P> Believe what you want to believe... it's a free country. You just get down wit' yo bad self. ☺

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Let's just use an actual number we can back up.

    by ScaryWaitress

    How about transit numbers? <P> "Washington’s Metro moved a record 825,437 people on Saturday, compared with an average Saturday ridership of about 350,000." -Christian Science Monitor <P> So, unless you want to argue that Glenn Beck's followers think mass-transit is unAmerican... I think your case is weak if you want to claim he had a bigger draw. <P> Just sayin'.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ALASKA

    by BringingSexyBack

    Lisa Murkowski: "Political prostitution whore!" <P> Palin: *Cocks shotgun* "That's quite enough, Lisa."

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST

    SCARY - I DON'T CARE IF THERE WERE 5 JILLION AT BECK'S RALLY

    by BringingSexyBack

    The collective IQ still pales to Stewart/Colbert's.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Brood Queen of The Retards.

    by fiester

    Quits her governor job to do reality tv and laughing all the way to the bank with her constant bullshit--special thanks to Red State America for making her a multi-millionaire.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    IMHO: The Stewart/Colbert show wasn't really a rally.

    by Royston Lodge

    Rather, it was a free concert.<p> That might go a ways to explain why more people attended.<p> IMHO, of course.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin is the new Snooki

    by SpyGuy

    And almost as smart.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    I_Love_LanaLang: Kristin Kreuk? Really?!

    by Royston Lodge

    She's ok, but she's no Barbarella.<p> TITTIES!!!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    so...did anyone actually WATCH this show?

    by MST3KPIMP

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    She's too stupid to be in office and a quitter.

    by Powerring

    Good candidate to do porn. At least that would be interesting.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    MST3KPIMP: There's nothing good on TLC anymore.

    by Royston Lodge

    The last good show TLC had was Connections.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    royston lodge re: TLC

    by Deathpool

    I thought for sure you were wrong, that TLC must have some decent shows, but after looking at their website, you're right. All the shows I was thinking of were on Discovery or other channels. TLC might be the biggest cesspool of a network on television. <p>They have a show called Toddlers & Tiaras. That's all I have to say about that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Don't Forget the AICN Power Mod

    by kevinwillis.net

    If the Banhammer doesn't come down fast enough for you . . .<br><bR> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/72709 <br><br>It fixes a lot of other problems with the AICN talk backs. Hilites posts that reference you. Etc., etc. Doesn't work with Chrome, but works with Firefox running Greasemonkey. Someone could update it to work with Chrome. Heck, I could update it to work with Chrome, but that sounds like a lot of work.<br><br>Inserts breaks for formatting when you write. So many cool things does it do, yes.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    I'm Gonna Write a Script for AICN

    by kevinwillis.net

    That fixes links posted in a comment and makes them clickable. That inserting spaces ever 25 characters, and not making links clickable, drives me nuts. And mine will work on Firefox with Greasemonkey, or natively on Chrome. Take that, Maltheus, who I haven't actually seen on AICN since the Lost talkback days.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I think this..........

    by Number9997

    ......this show speaks volumes about Palin's future political ambitions! It is an indication she has no desire to be president. She's interested in being a multimedia figure, raking in the cash. Palin knows she could never win the high office, especially after a show like this one. She's a dominant force for conservatism. I see a move for senator or RNC chairman some day, but not president.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    ugh

    by torontoxic

    Watching anyone under 50 'talk politics' is like watching Family Feud. You just look at each side and hope somebody has a brain but you're always let down.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    HEY SAURON - GOOD TO SEE YOU TOO

    by BringingSexyBack

    Forget the IQs, let's get to what's really important: <P> From Huffpost: <P> "LONDON — Daniel Radcliffe was expecting a tender embrace when it came time to kiss co-star Emma Watson in the new "Harry Potter" film. What he got was torrid necking, Watson working magic with her lips "like an animal," he said. <P> "I thought it was going to be like a soft, sensual sort of moment, and it was this very vigorous kissing scene," said Radcliffe, reprising the title role in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1," the second-to-last of the big-screen adventures about the teen wizard, which opens Friday. <P> "She really went for it, I have to say. It caught me slightly off guard, but yeah, I'm not complaining. Many men would lose a limb to be in that position, so I was absolutely fine with it," Radcliffe said in an interview."

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    HEY KEVIN - GIVE US ALL BLACK BOXES TOO WHILE YOU'RE AT IT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Thanks

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    If you need any more proof of how bankrupt conservatives have be

    by HoboCode

    one needs only to read their hysterical and idiotic retorts to Hercules' well-reasoned, well-established, and even-measured posts. Fox News has destroyed this country by rottign the brains of its loyal but deluded followers.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    If all it takes to be a GOP leader is

    by Powerring

    To be a MILF, and QUIT your job when the pressure is on, that is too low of a standard for me. Quite sniffing her snatch....she's a pathetically weak politician and incapable of holding any meaningful office. The GOP will continue to be a laughing stock until they support QUALIFIED and INTELLIGENT candidates that don't quit. She needs to go cook a deer or something.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Geez what a boring show.

    by Tinfang

    I guess it was OK as a travelogue for the state of Alaska but that's about it. I was hoping The Sarah was going to try and hook one of those bears and reel it in. "I'll scale this brook trout right up folks! You betcha!" Let's just say there is absolutely NO INTEREST in watching episodes 2 - 8.<p>Please, let the right run her as their prez candidate in 2012, PLEASE DO IT!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    So I guess Fox is considered "liberal media"?

    by Tinfang

    Of course it is because anything dead center in this country is now considered the far left. It's also been my observation that the right sees liberal bias in a box of corn flakes along with everything else. Methinks there's just TOO MUCH DAMNED PROTESTING!<p>So, does Palin represent the latter day Know-nothings?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    jimbones has the post of this thread...

    by foree forehead

    ...his question is lost amid the pissing contest.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    should've known better than to read this TB...

    by RedHorseVector

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Politics aside - she has a voice like a bag of cats

    by skimn

    scratching and fighting atop a chalkboard surface.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    bad_ashe

    by adml_shake

    I'm interested to know what news network you think is the most neutral.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    This broad is hilarious.

    by LookWhosTalkbackingNow

    I wonder what would happen if she actually became interested and engaged in politics, maybe read a book or something.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    A humble rest, Herc

    by MemBirdman

    Can we get a "Politics" box much like a "Spoiler" box on the front page? Politics don't entertain me and I can't be the only one that sees political discussions pop up in the midst of an entertainment website. I'm not asking that they be removed, only that there be some kind of notation so those that are of a similar persuasion of mine can be notified that this isn't the article we're looking for.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Why is this woman even ALIVE?

    by ricarleite2

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    adml_shake - I will answer that

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Al Jazzera! <p> All jazz all the time baby!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    LookWhosTalkbackingNow

    by adml_shake

    Why should she bother. She's fairly popular now with out having done that. Anytime anyone asked her a question about her stance or view on something she would just cry out "I won't stand for this gotcha journalism!" and go scurrying off. The woman is the picture of double standards and half truths.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    "half truth" is giving her too much credit

    by foree forehead

    adml_shake

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    foree forehead

    by adml_shake

    Even though I think this woman is one of the worst things to happen in American Politics, I was still trying to be nice.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Don't like Palin because.....

    by TheRevenge

    I don't like Palin because she isn't likable. It actually has nothing to do with her politics. She speaks in broad platitudes and catchphrases that really mean nothing. She just insults the other side, which really isn't a conversation at all. <br> <br> So, I couldn't care less about her politics. I'd even be willing to listen to what she has to say. But she's not likable. She's mean-spirited and dismissive of others. She comes across as simply not being a good person. Forget her politics for a second and all you see is a mean, smug narcissist who does little to hide that fact. I've seen no evidence to the contrary that proves she anything but a selfish, rude person who cares little about those around her, political party or otherwise. Forget her politics, it's never about politics with her...it's just about HER. <br> <br> Her stance (and the stance of those who rally behind her) is not one of actual viewpoints or even real ideas or solutions. It's just one of "hate the other guy and be smug while being hateful". That's just a shitty way to live your life and to look at the rest of the world. <br> <br> But she's not stupid. She isn't going to run for President and never planned to do so. She was broke after the 2008 election and is now reaping the rewards by getting richer and richer. Which is what she should do...what anyone would do...in her shoes. That's why she speaks in broad nonsensical catchphrases all the time: It's the biggest way to have the biggest, broadest followers within the right-wing base. Talk about freedom, apple pie, and "flyover states" and you'll sell books and sell-out concert halls giving the same speech for years.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    i like how Herc ignores common sense evidence...

    by jay2517

    about the Beck rally. love him or hate him his rally had way more than 87,000. keep clinging to the lowest est. Herc and keep IGNORING aerial photos and NBC's est. of 300,000+ my favorite unbiased reg. republican lol...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    I AM an Alaskan who knows her and she's utter shite!

    by J242

    I worked in the Wasilla Public Library while going through high school and when she became Mayor of our small, quaint little town we had almost zero meth problems, very little domestic assault cases, very low numbers for criminal cases of assault, rape, arson, drug trafficking, etc all across the board. When she came in, she brought Wal-Mart with her giving them a sweetheart land deal (screwing over the original land owners of the 10 acres that they weren't even willing to sell in the first place) which then put more than 6 out of 10 small business owners out of business in the valley. Since she took hold and brought the big-box stores into Wasilla, it has become (based on % of population) the meth capitol of the US and our once nice little town is nothing but one giant strip-mall. The overwhelming majority of people in the town work for one of the big-box retail chains and are stuck in a life of servitude giving their money back to these chains (Wal-Mart, Target, the various fast-food joints, Blockbuster, etc...) because it's all they can afford. It's sad to say but it's almost identical to the South Park episode on Wal-Mart. I moved to Seattle about 15 years ago and somehow, this metropolitan city has more common sense then the small town I grew up in. As for Sarah herself? She's an opportunistic cunt who only cares about her own standing and would throw anyone under the bus to help her political aspirations. While I still worked at the library, she opened up an "investigative research option" to see about the possibility of banning certain books from our public library. Some of the books on this list? "Practical Demonkeeping" by Christopher Moore (the closest thing we have to an equivalent of Douglas Adams), The "Sri Isoponisad" (a Vetic text detailing their beliefs but not preaching), Anne Rice's Vampire chronicles (Because that was against god!) and so many others... Thankfully she failed in her attempts however that is the kind of person you are dealing with. Take it from someone who has met her, had to debate her over the value of the public having access to books for knowledge and entertainment and has had to deal with her proclamations and decisions. This bitch is a horrible human being who needs to pull her head out of her ass and look at reality instead of pushing her shit-colored view of the world on others.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    jay2517, you're a fucking moron...

    by J242

    Check the link and try to actually learn about the methodology of how they count attendance like this... http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=20e143f6-2e3c-43ce-ad35-7c91a7b25f56&m=false&i=0:0:23&c=-0.0326945:0.00564689:-0.155881&z=456.487753646045&d=3.20724838548858:-2.11638966347034:-1.35131803732056&p=0:0&t=False Keep in mind, demonstrations and protests to Bush invading Iraq reached into the tens of millions. Why? Because major cities in industrialized "Top 20" nations around the world all had hundreds of thousands of people show up to protest. 87,000 was a scientifically generated number based on square footage and number of people based on an average height/weight that occupy "x" many square feet. Math doesn't lie, but biased commentators do! I'm surprised Fox didn't claim there were 2 million people there to be honest. It would've been par for the course.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:36 p.m. CST

    J242 - THANK YOU

    by BringingSexyBack

    Great post. Any confirmation that the house she built was with kickback labor and materials from that contractor who built the skating rink? That's what I heard.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I MEANT ATHLETIC CENTER, NOT SKATING RINK

    by BringingSexyBack

    Something along those lines - a facility she approved while mayor, at great expense to the taxpayer.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    So no conservative here can accurately refute 87,000?

    by IndustryKiller!

    That's all anyone who has argued that number, unscientifically, based on Glenn Becks own insane claims, has done. I started this talkback not giving a shit about those numbers, butt hen Herc asked the fair question of "Why do you refute that claim?" and no one, NO ONE, has done so in a manner that can be considered even remotely substantial. So the issue is closed, until a better figure scientifically calculated comes out the number is 87,000.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    The Left are the most hateful...

    by maverick68

    intolerant people on the planet... I'd like to thank you knuckleheads on the board for proving it beyond a doubt on a daily basis...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Most watched program debut in TLC's history

    by cylon_conspiracy

    5 million viewers. Show is a hit, but we already knew it would be.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Once upon a time....

    by crankyoldguy

    Republican did not equal conservative nor did conservative equal more far right reactionary. Democrat did not equal liberal nor did liberal equal far left socialism or (dread, oh the horror) communism (which the USSR was not, hardly). And neither Conserv or Lib was used in such hate. Both were used in debates of reason. But other than Herc and a few others, you children wouldn't know that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Really? Beck rally numbers

    by justadude

    So, I'm comically amused that this has had so much discussion and people put so much faith into the survey conducted by one consultant working for airphotoslive. Anyway, I live in D.C. the traffic and the metro was insane that day. http://www.wopular.com/metro-ridership-spiked-day-glenn-beck-rally-510000-riders There, debunked! You still believe that 87,000 number, that's your issue. (don't forget to divide by two at least)

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    crankyoldguy...

    by foree forehead

    ...i refer you to the best post on this thread: Why is political affiliation more important than the issues? by jimbojones123 - it says it all really and i think you're falling into the taking-sides trap a bit yourself.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Industrykiller, the National Parks office said it was

    by Coughlins Laws

    over 300,000. Simply by looking at the aerial pictures and knowing what they said was at the million man march, you can see that it's clearly more that 87,000. Look at pictures of the Beck rally and compare them to officially counted gatherings in the past. Look at what the National Parks office says fit around the Reflecting Pool. Why would the National Parks Office lie about how many people were there?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    The_Maltese_Vulcan if you this Palin

    by MurderMostFowl

    if you think Palin had anything to do with how the Republican party has accomplished anything in the last 4 years, you need to read up on how things really work in Washington ( an dI don't mean in a conspiracy sort of way ). <BR> Republican;s currently play up fear and pander to Baby Boomers who despite no longer being the population majority, are still the voting majority.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    No they didn't Coughlins Law

    by IndustryKiller!

    The Nationals Parks office doesn't do a count anymore, not since the million man march. That number from the "national parks office" was second hand hearsay and not on the record, supposedly from some guy who worked for them spoken the day of. That guy could have been completely guessing for all anybody knows. You're going to have to do better than that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Palin is Magnificent

    by MarkWhittington

    Gee, Herc gets snippy about Sarah Palin (whose outdoors series is a cable ratings smash by the way) and all of the sudden there is all this partisan rancor on aint it cool. Who ever thought of such a thing?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    "Refudiate" Now a Real Word...

    by MarkWhittington

    ...according to the New Oxford American Dictionary. Suck it up, libs.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    justadude

    by HoboCode

    And the ridership the day of Stewart's rally was almost twice as much at 825,437.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin loves Rape babies

    by nilus2k

    She's a moron. I don't understand why anyone would listen to her. She sugar coats it in some interviews but she thinks that woman who are RAPED and IMPREGNATED by there FATHERS or BROTHERS should have to carry those babies to term. All they need is a little consoling. Is there anyone out there that doesn't think that is fucked up?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Not to mention...

    by HoboCode

    the average ridership for a saturday on metro without a rally is already 350,000.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by justadude

    I'm not arguing that the attendance at the Stewart/Colbert rally was less or more then the Beck rally. I was at the Stewart rally, I was not at the Beck rally. I'm simply stating that the 87,000 number for the Beck rally is laughable at best.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Watched the episode last night...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...because my wife wanted to (and happy wife = happy life). <p>I have to say that the only good that came out of the episode is that I wouldn't mind visiting Alaska. It hasn't changed my mind about Sarah Palin.</p><p>Palin seems to be a nice lady and a typical soccer mom/grandmother...who is often unfairly attacked by the "mob media"...</p><p>...but I still wouldn't vote for her either. </p> Then again, I don't know who is running in 2012. I would support Dr. Condi Rice in a heartbeat. I have met her here at Stanford...and she is a class act and a true academic. I have a very strong suspicion that Dr. Rice might pop up as a running mate in 2012.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    87,000 IS STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Not as much as 825,437, though. Still, good job, Beck.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    DR. RICE CAN SUCK IT

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I AM a liberal...

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    And I have to say, thank you thank you THANK YOU flying spaghetti monster for putting the great Alaskan Quitter where she belongs: with the rest of the freak shows on reality TV

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I WATCHED HACHI: A DOG'S TALE LAST NIGHT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Had me and the wife blubbering at the end. If you're not a hot emotional mess at the end you don't have a heart. Then we caught Secret of Kells. Gorgeous, magical movie. A visual work of art.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    87,000 were there...along with a couple hundred thousand more. The CBS figure that Herc quotes was quoted to CBS by the PHOTOGRAPHERS they hired to snap a couple of photos. That was it. They weren't mathematicians or even experts in anything other than photography and graphic art. <p>Sexy, why don't you like Dr. Rice? </p> Her life story is fantastic! She is highly educated...speaks seven languages...and quite Moderate. Her resume is also about 25x thicker than Barry Obama's too.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Gay jokes are so fresh and effective.

    by Novaman5000

    Please, tell us more, MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Tea Baggers= Not real Conservatives, IMO

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    Tea baggers are, essentially, Fringe Groupies. I know I know. It's a sad truth that we must all deal with. Palin is a star attraction, much like..say for example, a two headed fetal pig in a jar at the County Fair. Sure, it's cool to see a two headed fetal pig in person, just like it would be cool to see palin in person, but really,once you get up close, and see it for what it really is, you'd be disgusted.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    As far as the hating on Palin, almost every criticism

    by Coughlins Laws

    alot of you are saying about her you could attribute to Obama. Obama is painfully unqualified to be President and he is showing with every single failure how in over his head he is with being President. The guy can NOT succeed at anything. He single-handedly destroyed the Democrat Party in just 2 years and his latest overseas trip was a complete and shockingly embarrassing disaster...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    CHRISM

    by BringingSexyBack

    Because of her involvement in and promoting the Iraq and Afghan wars. She may be nice, but actions speak louder.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Oh cough-cough

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    You really tickle my fancy!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    YEAH, NOT GETTING ANY TRADE CONCESSIONS FROM THE KOREANS

    by BringingSexyBack

    is definitely embarassing. At this point, I'd slap some serious tariffs on SK goods and remind them who's standing between them and a commie takeover. Sneaky little buggers.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I guess that this is where we disagree. <p> I fully support the war in Afghanistan...and think that the wars in Iraq were justified in the sense that they prohibited any further development and distribution of WMDs as Saddam Hussein repeatedly stated that he would do.</p><p> Even though intelligence reports from the CIA, Pentagon, FBI and 11 other foreign intelligence agencies about "new" WMDs were, in fact, flawed...Hussein's Iraq still had large stockpiles of older WMDs (mostly chemical and biological) that were hidden around the country.</p><p> Saddam Hussein had already met with Al Qaeda reps on three occasions regarding weapons deals. Even though they hated one another, it did indicate a willingness to deal with terrorists. </p> <p>I do think that the preemptive war via the case made by Colin Powell was just a bit too hasty, the justification was sound from an entirely analytical perspective...and was voted upon by a majority in Congress -- both Democrats and Republicans. </p>I wouldn't fault Dr. Rice for that...since she knew more about the situation than any of us.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    C'mon Coughlin. Do you actually think that

    by Novaman5000

    Palin and Obama are on an equal footing in terms of intelligence and political savvy? As for not succeeding, He certainly got his healthcare reform passed, didn't he? <p>http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/<p> 122 "promises kept"<p> 234 "in the works".<p> 40 "compromised" <p> Dwarfs the numbers in the "stalled" (84) and "broken" 23 categories. <p> BTW, politifact = non-partisan.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Obama has been a frustrating president.

    by Novaman5000

    His intelligence is not in doubt, it's his lack of balls. The republicans have bucked him left and right, they've forced him to dilute legislation in the name of compromise only to turn around and not vote for the legislation they ammended, anyway... And yet he still is talking about bipartisan politics. If he had balls he'd do what Bush did, which was "vote with us or get out of our way". <p> The democratic party is equally to blame. None of them have courage of their convictions. The republicans have no problem saying "fuck you", why can't the dems follow suit?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    That being said, things would be 100 times worse

    by Novaman5000

    If McCain and Palin had been elected. The current GOP is a joke compared to what it used to be. When my staunchly republican father cannot even bring himself to vote for a ticket (McCain/Palin), you know they've lost sight of their original message.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Palin may not be as educated as Obama...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but Obama is still a pompous, arrogant ASSHOLE who thinks that his views are the only ones that matter. <p>BTW, most of Obama's "promises" were very "fuzzy" in his speeches. Americans voted for his "HOPE CHANGE YES WE CAN BELIEVE HALLIBURTON FAILED POLICIES OF GEORGE W. BUSH CHENEY IS DEVIL SPREAD A LITTLE WEALTH AROUND REPUBLICANS WANT SICK CHILDREN TO DIE" rhetoric -- and NOT because of his promise to raise capital gains taxes, socialize the medical system by REQUIRING individuals to purchase insurance, etc...</p><p> People are beginning to realize that Obama in practice isn't the same as Obama in theory as highlighted by his fuzzy Axelrod-written teleprompter speeches. </p>

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    BTW, as "popular" as Obama was in 2008...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...nearly half of the nation voted against him. He only won 52.7% of the vote when he had his highest approval rating.<p> I am almost willing to bet that Obama will decide against running for reelection. I think that he will see how things go for the next year...and if his approval rating doesn't get any higher...he will decide against running again to "preserve his legacy."</p> Obama is a liberal ideologue. I think that he, like Nancy Pelosi, is having a difficult time coming to the realization that people actually disagree with many of his views.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    If obama thought his were the only views that mattered

    by Novaman5000

    He wouldn't waste his time with this bipartisan posturing. As for pompousness and arrogance, I think Palin has that market cornered. Boehner for close second. You've never seen Obama be as disrespectful to a fellow member of government as those two have.<p> People just think Obama's arrogant because he's smarter than them. Which, in 90% of cases, he is.<p> And nice use of words by saying she's "not as educated". As if she also didn't lack a fundamental grasp of the issues and standard issue common sense.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Many of the people who disagree with Obama's views

    by Novaman5000

    Are simply uninformed. There will always be disagreements- I disgree with him on a lot, he was not my first choice for president. But to see these lower middle class mid westerners out there chanting about how he's raising their taxes, when he is giving them a fucking tax break, is mind boggling. And how they could always stand there an ask for tax cuts for the rich when Bush BLED jobs for years and trickle down economics have not been proven to work is equally baffling.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Palin is a half-bright grifter

    by Marduk

    If McCain had somehow lost to a popular white candidate, she would have evaporated into nothingness in short order.<p><br /> <br /> Having the instincts of a pig, she planted her snatch squarely on the face of every teabagger moron who suddenly "don't like the way things is a goin' in this here country".<p><br /> <br /> Observing her confusion during the rare occasions she deigns to venture outside of her communal re-enforcement bubble promises to be a hoot.<br /> <br />

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I also don't mean to imply that he's right on every issue

    by Novaman5000

    Or that there aren't informed dissenters, there CERTAINLY are. What I mean is, particularly on the issue of taxes, it's interesting to see a group of people campaigning so heavily against their own best interests without even realizing it.<p> You have to hand it to the right. It's quite the feat.<p> Fact is, taxes should be raised for everyone, rich and poor alike. The country doesn't run on patriotism and jesus kisses. You idiots calling for blanket lower taxes don't seem to grasp that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    @ Bad

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    ahahahahahaah! wow i got under your thin skin! I don't think ive ever seen that much anger in a single post before! Thanks for being a true reactionary gasbag!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Palin was...

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    Born for reality tv. I mean after quitting so many things, she's finally found her niche as a reality tv host.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by ravenloff

    Novaman5000 I don't carry water for Palin or the GOP and think this show is a horrible idea if she's got political aspirations (which is also a horrible idea), but your Obama cool-aid drinking here is hysterical. 90% of cases? Based on what measure? What metric? "he wouldn't waste his time with this bipartisan posturing"...right there...hysterical. If it was actualyl bipartisan, it wouldn't BE posturing. Hysterical. Arrogance? Our President reeks of it. From the Cambridge incident (horribly handled) through his unbridled "You got me-isms". Once again, I really don't care for Palin, but through the use of facebook/email/twitter this uneducated simpleton, as the left tends to see her, has kept the White House on the defensive at almost every turn. Inertia is a bitch, huh?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    All politicians are basically the same, except

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    for Sarah. She's a tv host now. So her tea bag bleating is of no consequence.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST

    @BSB: All Black Boxes

    by kevinwillis.net

    But BSB, if everybody is special . . . then no one is. Plus, you'll only be able to see that if running the script. I just want to be able to click on links and have the spaces removed.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Hey Bad,

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    Tell ya what. Lets hash out our differences over a pig meat sandwich, and a glass of tit milk. Whaddaya say?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Um, Novaman

    by DoctorWho?

    How about his arrogant 'I Won" comment to congressional leaders?<p> His rudeness to the Brits and Netanyahu?<p> Taking on the Supreme Court during his State of the Union speech?<p> The guy is just petty and rude.<p> He's that kind of smug, coastal liberal who views his foolish, economic inferiors with condescension. The unwashed masses... wretches needing to be educated into mature enlightened, "progressive" Democrats. He views people like Palin and her Down's Syndrome child as knuckle-draggers. He would never let his own daughters be "...punished with a baby" like that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws; Seriously, Comparing Obama and Palin...

    by The Dreaded Rear Admiral

    While much has been said about Palin's two years running Alaska vs Obama's two years in the Senate, there IS a great deal of difference. President Obama attended Columbia AND Harvard, was president of the Harvard Law Review, taught Constitutional law in Chicago, and was a state senator for several terms before running for US senator. In short, he DID things. Ms. Palin was basically a journalist for a couple of years before running for mayor of Wasilla (sp?), and then governor. Let's face it, if the idea of her being one heartbeat away from the presidency scared voters in 2008, the idea that a book, a show on Fox, and now a reality show isn't going to change too many minds.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Obama is not afraid of Palin

    by Novaman5000

    Her running in 2012 would be the best thing that could possibly happen to his campaign. She's not a threat, she's a distraction. She's the SNAKES ON A PLANE of politics. People talk about her a lot, but when it comes down to voting for her, few people like her enough to put their money where their mouth is. <p> And 90% was me being hyperbolic, but there is no denying that the man is very intelligent and the right can't STAND it. <p> And of course it's posturing. It's ALWAYS posturing in this political climate. You're going to tell me a GOP president would be more bipartisan? The republicans don't give a FUCK about bipartisan anything, and Obama knows it. You know it and I know it, too. But for some reason, Obama keeps pretending that it's possible, keeps bending over to try to get the GOP on board. It's nonsense.<p>

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by MugenOh

    For the sake of balance: <p>"Reagan raised taxes more than anyone in the history of the United States because his tax cuts were unsustainable. Even the most casual of political observers know that, you fat fucking piece of shit." <p>And as you demonstrated, it's like this on both sides, and neither one realizes it. Or if they do realize it, they don't give a fuck about solutions and care more about having a "moral" high ground built on platitudinous bullshit.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Doc,

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    I totally support what you're saying there. "The unwashed masses... wretches needing to be educated into mature enlightened" I agree 100% also your comment about liberals:"progressive" Democrats" "mature enlightened" but hey, I draw the line at your characterization of one of my favorite reality tv stars :"The" "Down's Syndrome" "Palin" "is just petty and rude."

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Herc your a Republican??

    by reaganjn

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! FUCKING hilarious dude. On top of that one that supports Obamacare!!?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Nice try man nice try.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Bad...

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    You're right. All that...whatever that carp was you just said, I believe it.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    The Netanyahu thing is hardly as black and white as you make it

    by Novaman5000

    Especially not after he had just blindsided Biden with their buildings announcement while he was visiting. A huge slap in the face, but regardless of what happened (the original story has many variations so it's hard to tell what happened and what didn't), I didn't say Obama was perfect. He's not. I just said he's not as arrogant as Palin and Boehner. There are others, too, but those are the first that spring to mind.<p> How come the right was so upset about Obama calling out the supreme court, but sat quietly when Wilson was when he screamed "YOU LIE!" during the state of the union?<P> The level of disrespect this president has been shown is the worst any president has ever been shown. Democrats may have hated bush, but you never saw a congressman scream during a congressional event like that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I agree the healthcare bill is only a minor victory

    by Novaman5000

    I think I'm just so surprised he got anything through that I count it as a win. There are some great points to the bill, and a lot of stupid shit, too. But the beauty of legislation is that it can evolve, and it's a better starting point than starting over from scratch like some wanted.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    And yes. I said CARP.

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    I don't want you people telling ME what I can and CANNOT say! This is a FREE country, and my patriotic use of the word "CARP" is beyond you're elitest, lib judgements. Oh wait...I said Carp instead of Crap. Wow. That's really stupid. I guess I made a mistake...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    The History Channel: Bigfoot, UFOs, crop circles...

    by Marduk

    ...Sarah Palin. It's a logical progression of the kind of cost-effective, can't-miss programming that has traditionally played well in America's heartland.<br /> <br />

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    and Bad..

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    You didn't get back to me on that pig meat sandwich and cold glass of tit milk request.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    And Dr. Don't assign positions to obama that he doesn't hold

    by Novaman5000

    the "punished" line had nothing to do with down syndrome. It was in reference to teens accidentally getting pregnant.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    "Why has Barack Obama failed so spectacularly?"

    by Novaman5000

    Don't you think that's a little dramatic?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Did I miss something

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    or did Obama not win the election? Two years ago? and Palin...the Quitter, is nothing but a book schilling reality tv host now. Right? ahahahahahahah...ahhh. Those fringers just cant let it go, can they? that their nutty little conspiracies and their Dear Leader Palin are pretty much farts in the wind at this point.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Bad...

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    You really enjoy the sound of your own voice! ME TOO! I love your voice! When I read your comments, I picture an elderly man, ever so gently filling his diaper with the apricots and boiled toast he had for breakfast. Breathtaking! My only concern, is that you may be wearing a sweater vest as you write, and frankly, that's just not christian.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Mike_Hines_Says...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I wish that Obama would quit. He is the second coming of Jimmy Carter...but with less military and economic knowhow.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's part of the problem with our politics.

    by Novaman5000

    We're all guilty of it, and we'd all be better off with less of it.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Enough of this Ivy League education circle jerk

    by DoctorWho?

    Sure Obama studied Constitutional law. He understands the Constitution. He just doesn't like it very much. He doesn't much care for certain limits placed on government powers that get in the way of redistribution of wealth. The fact he went to Columbia and Harvard tells me nothing about his values and common sense.<p> Do you choose your doctor based on what college they went to? No, there's probably many factors involved.<p> As for Palin, you underestimate what a decade as a city council member and mayor of a small town brings in experience. Local government experience means an immersion in the real problems of real people as well as with a load of issues a community organizer would never know. From the details of budgets for road maintenance, police and fire forces, land use issues, parks and recreation and school construction issues.<p> My point is this: You can take the 10 smartest people in the world...and you will still know something they will not. You will be better at certain things than them. You will have an expertise and knowledge in things that they will have no clue of. <p>

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    The only good thing that came out of Sarah Palin

    by kidicarus

    is that nice cover for Runner's World. Nice legs for an older lady. Anyone want to bet when Bristol's Playboy spread comes out?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Sarah's prettier than Bristol.

    by Novaman5000

    Just saying.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Hercules is a Republican?

    by nemov

    You know what the call a Republican who thinks socialized health care works in the long-run? A Democrat. I love the argument about Europe's health care system. Have you noticed those countries are going bankrupt under the weight of their unsustainable entitlement?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Marduk

    What's your opinion on the Bush Doctrine?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I thought

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    Jimmy Carter was the second coming of Millard Filmore! WHAT'S HAPPENING HERRRE! By the way chissm/jissm, whateverthefuckyournameis, on Palin quit. The Quitter. The Quittiest. She just couldn't hack it, so she pussied out, y'know, like a pussy. Hahahaha. Sara Palin pussied out. dude that must chap your ass. You're lady is a tramp!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    @marduk

    by Mike_Hines_Says

    "In what regard Charlieeeeeee"

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Re: the "punished" line

    by DoctorWho?

    True. It had nothing to do with Down's Syndrome.<p> But if he was talking about ANY pregnancy in general being a punishment, one might assume a Down's Syndrome pregnancy would be the Guantanamo Bay of "punishments". Hell, Palin is accused of bringing her pregnancy to term for the political upside.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Doctor, So Palin's "small town" experience is important

    by Novaman5000

    But Obama's time as a "community organizer" has long been considered a punchline? There's no doubt Palin knows things Obama does not. The question is, do any of those things make her as or more fit to be a politician than he is?<p> That's debatable, and so far she hasn't demonstrated that to be the case.<p> And lets not forget that this woman LEFT OFFICE halfway through a term as governor so she could go on a book/speaking tour and make herself a cool 12 million. It's hard to argue that Sarah Palin is looking out for main street USA when it's pretty clear that she's only looking out for Sarah Palin. <p> Hell, she won't even speak at Tea Party Events for free!!<p> Anyway, I don't CARE about Sarah Palin. It annoys me that our society focuses on her, but in the same way it annoys me that Paris Hilton is famous. I wish she would run for president, though. PALIN / BECK 2012!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    He was talking about teen pregnancy "ruining" a teen's life.

    by Novaman5000

    It's debatable. Ruining / Punishment is probably not the best choice of words, and I don't think anyone feels like getting into the abortion debate right now so we'll just leave it at that.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Cool Novaman

    by DoctorWho?

    Good stuff! Gotta run.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Marduk

    What newspapers or magazines do you read?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    This Left Winger thinks the show looks good.

    by crazybubba

    I'd watch it just to get feel for what the state of Alaska is like.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Rebulicans: "How can you like Obama! He's not a Republican!!"

    by IndustryKiller!

    The best obama criticism thus far has come from Novaman, a Democrat. The rest is absurd single minded bullshit. Being tough on Israel, economic stimulus, an expanded health care system are what we fucking elected him for. The only problem has been tehre hasn't been enough of any of it. Particularly a watered down stimulus which should have been made stronger and passed via reconciliation AT LEAST 6 months before it happened and the second stimulus should have come last year.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    As for Liberals being arrogant and condescending

    by IndustryKiller!

    OF COURSE we are Not kidding, we often sit around and talk about how simple minded and foolish conservatives are, mystified as to why are Democratic leaders ever acquiesce to your nonsense instead of coming up with more creative ways to rub you out of the political process. Your guns, you absurd adherence to religion, your racism, your disdain for science and facts, and your total inability to argue or cite relevant sources are all fodder for our elitism. When it comes to neo-conservatives we are indeed elitist, and we would do ourselves a favor to be moreso.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    and a quick correction

    by IndustryKiller!

    two posts above I meant watered down HEALTH CARE bill, not stimulus, fucking lack of edit.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Marduk

    Out of all the Founding Fathers, who would say is your favorite?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    JR42- another extreme lib with no common sense lol...

    by jay2517

    i love how u hacks love to cling to anything to justify outright lying. airphotoshoplive has already been dismissed on this tb bright boy. also, lying, biased commentators on Fox? how about Ed Shultz claiming he ALSO beat Becks by having 175,000 people at One Nation?? he passes that off as a FACT. AGIAN this is refuted by comparing the aerial photos and fucking COMMON SENSE man! if fatass Shultz had 175k then Beck had over 900k and Obama 5 mill. for his inauguration lol! i dont give a shit about #'s but, i do care about fucking outright, biased lying by Herc. common sense man...common sense...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Five Million Viewers and TLC's biggest ratings ever

    by OutsideChance

    Sorry, Herc. Knowing how strongly you feel about ratings = quality, this has to be quite a blow.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Jay, how has airphotoshoplive been dismissed?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Show me the evidence that's here in this talkback.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Marduk...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    1. I agree with the Bush Doctrine to the extent that it holds nations accountable that provide a safe harbor for immediate and present danger enemies of this nation. <p> 2. I read an eclectic assortment of magazines and newspapers. I think that it is important to hear ALL sides of an issue before trying to formulate an opinion. Favorite periodicals: The Economist, NY Times, Wash Post, New Republic and National Review. </p> <p> 3. I don't think that I have a "favorite" founding father. However, I think that we can learn from MANY of the various ideas, policies and views of each of our founding fathers. While I agree with some of the Hamiltonian views on Federalism, I reject the notion of a massive, central federal government out of concern that it would become a "nanny state." The 10th Amendment leaves things not covered in the Constitution to the states. However, some liberal states -- like California (where I live) and Massachusetts -- have very broad and expansive central governments that sort of validates the anti-Federalists. I believe in Jeffersonian view of a Democratic Republic -- but realize that "tyranny of the minority" can often be just as ugly and imposing as "tyranny of the majority." </p> Any more questions?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    We know what a community organizer is now

    by kingink123

    It is someone who gets crackheads, illegal immigrants and homeless people to the polling place and helps to gather "lost" voting ballots.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    You are demanding "proof" for something that has never been proven. Where is the evidence that AirPhotosLive are even a credible crowd estimating organization in the first place? <p>After all, their website states that they are nothing more than a for-hire aerial photography and digital arts studio. </p>

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Killer...

    by jay2517

    read chrism's post up above.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    500th!

    by Hercules

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    This looks more retarded then...

    by donkingkong

    Dancing with the Stars... What did you think I was going to compare it to?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Evidence...? We don't need no stinking evidence.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    What do you think this is? A debate club? This is just another whiny Herc political talkback with a bunch of self-centred basement dwellers who think everyone else hangs on your every utterance with a Messianic adoration. We are truly a sad and sorry lot to think anything will be decided here, or any minds changed for that matter. Present company included.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    So, 5 million viewers....

    by Fieldingm

    and a record for TLC. Biggest selling political memoir of all time. Instrumental in engineering the biggest midterm result in 70 years. This woman is unstoppable. Oh, you poor, cretinous lefties; I almost feel sorry for you.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm...

    by Marduk

    Just one more...can you cite any indisputable empirical evidence that tax cuts have ever increased revenues and decreased deficits?<br />

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    bad_ashe

    by Marduk

    Hot Air or Free Republic?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Fielding! She's unstoppable!!! Until...

    by Novaman5000

    She actually has to discuss/argue the issues, instead of just farting out cute little colloquialisms on twitter and appearing in tightly rehearsed and politically safe events with a broad, ill defined speech to give. She will be a pop culture star for quite some time, maybe her entire life, but she will NEVER be the political star you want her to be. EVER.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    She makes W. look like a genius

    by Kremzeek

    I can't stand this woman. She is just so... ya know, I don't even have words. But she makes Bush look like Albert f-ing Einstein. I can't fathom someone this incredicly stupid being our president, because again... even W. is a step up from her. And I'm no Obama lover either. He's done some fucked up things with his presidency, but one thing he's not is an idiot. The man is highly intelligent. Palin not so much. She's our supposed "hope" for the future. Kill me now.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Yes, I said "incredicly"

    by Kremzeek

    That's what I get for going against my normal MO and letting my emotions on this subject type the words. DOH

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Oh my God Americans are stupid

    by andrew coleman

    People who watch this drink Keystone Light. Fact! Women who watch this have had at least two abortions but claim they are "good Christians". I mean seriously... Seriously? What I love is conservatives flaunting the fact that she's famous... It's not a good thing retards! I don't like this trend of "I'm stupid but I love America" bull shit. Palin doesn't know anything about politics. She knows how to raise a fat slutty daughter and that's it! It's not about being liberal it's about not wanting our country to be made fun of anymore. You do realize this pro "hick" agenda makes us look like fucking idiots right? God I look forward to when whites our the minority in this country so we can stop dealing with all this "Lets go back the 50's" mentality. It's pathetic. Also stop calling yourselves "Conservatives" because you're not. The actually conservatives are the one's who want a smaller military that doesn't spend trillions, true conservatives want a fix to social security. True Conservatives want to stop the companies in this country from destroying the middle class and shipping jobs over seas. These new Conservatives all they care about is making money and making money for their friends. They don't give two shits about our country or what is good for it. These are the people who allowed China to buy half of our country. So all you good hearted middle America, Liberal hating shits should probably look into your peoples policies before chanting any type of victory. Because these fake conservatives winning over the fly over states hearts will destroy the country with their bull shit ideas. I mean Palin... She's a possible candidate for President? I mean... If that happens we make Somalia look like a san country. Seriously.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm...

    by Marduk

    One would have thought you would retain such telling statistics in your head, available for instant recall.<p><br /> As it turns out, I'm a patient man.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Why is that...

    by v1cious

    Everyone that hates this woman is accused of having some obvious liberal agenda? Surely it couldn't be that she's just an annoying, opportunist bitch? Seriously, every time the woman talked, Mccain's poll ratings went down. This "Real Americans" stuff is bullshit. Sarah's in it for Sarah. If she wasn't, then she wouldn't have quit her governor job to be on TV every chance she gets. Let's be realistic here. People are watching her show for the same reason they watch Jersey Shore: they love a good train wreck.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    bad_ashe

    by Marduk

    Oatmeal Cream Pie, definitely.<p><br /> Your English is remarkably good for only being 31. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Okay...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I spoke on the phone with AirPhotosLive. The guy who answered the phone was nice...but it seemed like this was his personal telephone number. <p>He explained that AirPhotosLive is pretty much a small aerial photography company that takes high quality landscape photos using 360 degree panoramic cameras. </p> <p>He also explained that none of his employees are NOT mathematicians or statisticians, but they use a rudimentary method for making estimates for crowd size. </p> <p>He said that they really just relied on the couple of panoramic photo images that they snapped at the specific time that CBS hired them and tried to make an estimate from those images. He also stated that the company is now going to reexamine the method by which they estimated the crowd size for the Beck rally. He said that they have seen other photos from other organizations that admittedly seem to show a much larger crowd. </p> He asked me if I was with a newspaper or studio. I explained that I am just a guy who was interested. He was very polite and also referred me to Life's Little Mysteries website to show how he estimates crowd sizes. He said that if they come up with a different figure, they will offer a correction in a press release to CBS News.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Marduk

    Answer my question.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Marduk...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I was a little busy. <p>Can I provide "indisputable empiracal evidence" that tax increases actually raise income? <p>Is this a non-sequitur or what? </p> <p>This matter has been disputed by economists and politicians for YEARS -- so of course ANY evidence will be disputable. </p> However, I don't think that the premise if flawed. When the poor have more money, they spend it. When the middle class have more income, they spend it. This raises LOCAL revenue via sales taxes, gasoline taxes, etc... When the upper middle class have more money from lower taxes, they invest it...in property, businesses, education, or stock. This influx of investment income helps create jobs and funds business research and development. When the wealthy have tax cuts, they invest. Few wealthy Americans keep ALL of their money in banks. They manage their wealth via a diverse portfolio that includes stocks, bonds, business creation...amongst other things.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Jism: "I DON'T EVEN CARE about the crowd size! "Nov 14th, 2010 0

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Okay... by ccchhhrrriiisssm Nov 15th, 2010 06:45:07 PM I spoke on the phone with AirPhotosLive. <p>Obsesses much jism? Yes you do! Oh yes you do!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Marduk...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Can you provide any "indisputable empirical evidence" that tax INCREASES are good for the economy and don't harm jobs during volatile economic times? <p>Again: This would be a non-sequitur, because OF COURSE it will be disputed. That is why LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES exist. They disagree on such matters...even if the evidence looks quite convincing.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Fukken jism tracks down some dude on his cell phone

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Because he 'does not even care' about crowd size. Yeah, right. GeechyDan Stalker that Jism.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Liberal_"Hey_Look_I'm_A_Big_Warrior..."

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Are you the ranking member of the free speech gestapo? I was interested in finding out their METHODS...not regarding whose crowd was larger. <p>Get a life, asshole. </p>

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Liberal_Warrior...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Really? That is the best insults that you can come up with? You must really be desperate...and needy...to pretty much mock anyone and everyone who disagrees with your warped world view. <p>Of course, that is a lot of people -- since only 18% of the nation considers themselves "liberal" -- and the other 82% are Moderate or Conservative. <p>BTW -- Isn't "Liberal Warrior" is an oxymoron. </p>Just saying.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Gotta run...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Life is calling!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Marduk

    So the answer is "actually Marduk, I have no evidence at all...it's just a talking point I keep repeating in the hope that it will some day come true".<p><br /> I guess that dovetails nicely with the current Republican strategy of counting on stupid people to buy into cooperate-sponsored demagoguery.<br />

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    And somewhere out there Herc laughs at you all.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    Notice the glee in his talkback hitting 500? Bend over and take it talkbackers as he tries to stroke you to 600. YOU'RE ALL BEING PLAYED!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Jism you motarded piece of twice fukked wildebeast shit

    by Liberal_Warrior

    The only one on here who does not have a life is you, you fukken camel suckin, warthog humpin, lyin piece of used goat dildo. <p> Who loudly proclaimed "I DON'T EVEN CARE about the crowd size!"? Then goes out and calls the motherfukken compaany that took thepics the CROWD size was estimated on, then says in a mealy mouthed whiny voice 'I was only interested in their methods'? If that was so, billy goat butt boy why did you feel the need to tell everyone here about them? <p> If it was just a personal need to know why did you feel the need to breathlessly share it with everyone? <p> You fukpickle

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    yea Vulcan Herc's actually a real politician now...

    by jay2517

    making money by lying and using biased "facts" lol.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    That was kind of creepy and obsessive

    by Marduk

    Calling AirPhotosLive and giving them shit?<p><br /> But, hey, Life is calling!

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Amusingly long and pointless TB...

    by BurnHollywood

    As if Wall Street dupe Obama gives a shit about any Americans other than the top 1%. And as if Palin is anything other than a disposable right-wing stalking horse.<p> Meanwhile, the G20 (might as well be called the "G19 minus 1") told the US to fuck off for the second time last week (and the third time a major gathering of nations has in the last two months), which means the dollar is well on its way to losing its status as a global fiat currency. Given the amount of debt connected to it, our collapse is assured.<p> Hungry man's an angry man, so little wonder the Chinese decided to have a "coming out party" for their Jin Class boomers last week and test fired a JL-2 SLBM right off our coast (or did you REALLY think that was an airplane contrail and a trick of perspective? LOL)...in case Wall Street decides to take this spat to the next level.<p> But please...do continue this academic mudwrestling match...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    BFD Jism

    by Liberal_Warrior

    And BTW, you just tipped your hand

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Jism is a stalker

    by Liberal_Warrior

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood...

    by Marduk

    "did you REALLY think that was an airplane contrail and a trick of perspective?"<br /> <br /> Of course not. They were Kenyan socialist mind control chemtrails.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    so actually backing up ur statements...

    by jay2517

    with actual facts is stalking and obsessive? the dude actually does some actual legwork and HE'S the idiot here lol??

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Jism is a sheep in mod sheep clothing

    by Liberal_Warrior

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Late 60's Mod clothing that is

    by Liberal_Warrior

    Out of date

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    OKAY LADS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Easy does it

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Marduk

    by BurnHollywood

    Your "Kenyan socialist" is the best employee Goldman Sachs ever bought. And I voted for the fucking sellout, too...got all misty eyed when he delivered his acceptance speech in my home town, bought his fucking book, believed his bullshit about blue dog intransigence while Emanuel's committees strangled the public option and handed Health Care over to the insurance companies (just another division of the financial industry, after all).<p> Fuck him and fuck his liberal apologists. Just the mirror image of the clueless Tea Party...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah, when you are on a message board and you feel the need

    by Liberal_Warrior

    To call the photo service that took the crowd estimate that you are basing your argument on after you loudly proclaim you could care less about the crowd size in the first place, then you are a fukken lyin obsessive and probably a fukken stalker too

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm bravely runs away

    by Marduk

    An ideologue's worst nightmare is being cornered at a party by an anti-ideologue.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!, I said 16 BILLION, not 16 MILLION

    by CountryBoy

    And many sources say it would indeed replace our Saudi imports.<p>I finally found a list of the panels that exonerated the scientists, and read the most famous one in some detail. It began by saying global warming is so serious and urgent an issue that the utmost rigor is demanded of its scientists -- in other words this panel already wholly accepts global warming as a done deal. Not entirely "independent." Further, while "exonerating" the scientists, it also uses words like "unhelpful," "defensive" and "misleading" before assuring us they were really right about everything. Okey-doke.<p>In truth I have no wish to belabor this point; even before climategate, I marveled that global warming is a phenomenon miraculously resistant to debunking by ANY evidence: everything that happens, floods, droughts, warming, cooling, good weather, bad weather, everything is always cast as more "evidence" for it. It must be nice to support a theory that can only ever be supported. As for the 97% of climatologists, I looked into that too. It apparently comes from a non-peer reviewed survey of 79 self-selected climatologists, of whom 75 (I think) supported warming. I will reserve comment. <p>Maybe my Gore complaint was excessive. I do still feel, though, that someone who professes to be so concerned about global warming could try to set a halfway decent example for the rest of us. George W. Bush for instance, without any fanfare, lives in a relatively modest energy-efficient home in TX. To be sure, the Bush Kennebunkport compound is no tent in the woods; but at least he's trying; and he doesn't even particularly support global warming. It's true that after it came out that Gore's Nashville mansion uses 12-20 times more power than the average American home, he made various improvements to it; by why should he have to be "caught" in order to do that? And does he really need FOUR luxury mansions? It just comes off as very tacky and hypocritical. And I don't think it's "bizarrely personal" to point that out.<p>Now can we go back to agreeing about AVATAR?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Our collapse is assured.

    by Subtitles_Off

    It was from the first minute a pilgrim took a piss on a tree and thought, "I'll build a toilet here."

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by Marduk

    You're a conspiracy loon who voted for Bush twice<p><br /> If you want to play act as a PUMA, you might want to nerf the obvious right-wing framing.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Marduk

    by BurnHollywood

    LMAO. So that's how the DLC thought police try to maintain order in their ranks, eh?<p> FYI: I'm a progressive who voted for Nader in '00 and Kerry in '04. But don't take my word for it...use the site's search utility. I have posts going back to '03, including some recent rows with Media Messiah and his conspiratorial "lunacy".<p> Sorry to tell you this, kiddo, but some of us aren't buying BO's bullshit anymore. The disillusionment has come full circle back to the era of Clinton's sellout and Gore's defeat, which is why the Democrats got trounced. Bit of a pity, because Pelosi's little finger has more progressivism in it than Obama's entire cabinet, but sometimes the baby gets tossed with the bathwater...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Republicans are brilliant...

    by PinkFloyd7

    at brainwashing the masses into voting against their own self interests. If the democrats learned to play at their level, maybe we'd have the public option by now.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Novaman...

    by Fieldingm

    She already IS a political star. Accept it.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by Marduk

    I've been here much longer than you might think.<p><br /> If you truly believe that video is indicative of some vast conspiracy, your brain may no longer be the boss.<p><br /> You were wise to leave your potential tormentors.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    JFK and his advisors thought tax cuts stimulated growth.

    by Philbert

    “It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.” – John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president’s news conference “Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.” – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964 “In today’s economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues.” – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President” “It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today’s economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates.” – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President” “Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate.” – John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session. “A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues.” – John F. Kennedy, Sept. 18, 1963, radio and television address to the nation on tax-reduction bill

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Palin Won't Run...

    by The Dreaded Rear Admiral

    She's a hothouse flower, blossoming on Fox News. Get her running for Prez in 2012, and she won't be spoon-fed questions by Hannity and Co. She'll have to answer the tough questions, like "Name a Supreme Court Justice", "What's That Amendment", and "Newspapers I Read". She's simply not going to survive. On the other hand, I can see her as a kind of Kingmaker. Her seal of approval didn't work well this election cycle, but a few more idiotic TV appearances may turn the tide.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Why should Palin run?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Limbaugh would win handily too, but he wouldn't run either due to the pay cut. Why should Sarah for the same reason?

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Hercules is a Republican? Shit

    by Nabster

    I can't help but lose some respect for him. Oh well, you never know with people.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Marduk and Liberal_Coward...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I just returned from dinner and -- DAMN! -- both of you stupid fucks are still at your hate and ridicule fest? <p>If you guys would stop rhetorically FUCKING one another in the ass long enough to realize that some people actually have lives outside of AICN...</p> <p>...you would realize that you are truly painting yourselves into the extremists that you truly are. </p> <p> I was merely calling to check how "qualified" that photography company was to give an adequate estimate to CBS. I was nice to the guy on the phone...and he, in turn, was very polite too. </p> <p>As for Marduk's excessive demands for "indisputable evidence" that his HIGH TAX model of economic stabilization is a big, smelly pile of shit: Just go to any college and speak to a Macroeconomics professor. </p> <p>I didn't bring up supply-side economics, so I don't know why such a stupid fuck like you (Marduk) would DEMAND that I provide you with "indisputable proof" either way. </p> Now, I'll let both of you guys can get back to fucking one another. But, be warned: You might want to have your minds checked for mental STDs.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Marduk...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    BTW, I didn't start a conversation with you...and I don't want to keep playing your silly 20 QUESTIONS nonsense -- especially since a mindless liberal fanatic like yourself wouldn't believe truth if it were right in front of you. You really can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. <p> I suppose that your "liberal party" is fun since you are king of the party. After all, "in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king." </p> But be careful with that Kool-Aid! Someone at your party mentioned that Nancy Pelosi spiked it with some thick Barney Frank Juice.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    PinkFloyd7...

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    looks like the Dems have already brainwashed your little monkey brain with bleach beacause you're a complete fuckin' retard

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Nabster you're pedophile

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I can't help but lose all respect for you ....faggot

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    THE SEXUAL TENSION IN THIS TALKBACK IS PALPABLE

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Dear IndustryKiller!

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    You are by far the dumbest piece of shit on this talkback. I hope you and both of your gay dads die from Cancer-AIDS. Your post describing Republicans: "Your guns, you absurd adherence to religion, your racism, your disdain for science and facts, and your total inability to argue or cite relevant sources are all fodder for our elitism" LMAO. So anyways let's get it straight. How about the religion attack first. So your typical Liberal is an Agnostic or an Atheist (or pedophile IMO)...yet they constantly preach freedom of religion...unless it's Christianity. I find this totaly hilarious. Because if there is one thing that's at odds with liberalism it's Islam...not Christianity. The liberal lesbian gay loving baby stem cell milkshake making ideology is considered an abomination by Islam....and most sane people. Muslims would much rather stick their scimitars into a hippie lib than a bible thumpin' conservative. Let's see, what's next...oh yeah Racism. Liberals always use the race card...they can't live or think without it. They will inject race into every debate even if it's about chess vs checkers. They will attack a gathering of conservatives saying there isn't enough color...and if there are some black conservatives...well they just call them Uncle Toms. The funny part is that the libs are usually young white/rich college students who haven't even seen a black titty outside of a National Geographic magazine. What's next...oh...guns, What's wrong with guns? Guns are cool! If we didn't have guns people would just find other ways to kill each other. We could use sticks, rocks, knives, hell I'd use my bare fuckin' hands to kill IndustryKiller! if I ever met the bitch. The urge to kill is in the heart not the gun...the gun is only the tool...and killing is as natural to the human race as breathing. Okay okay I'm done...I could go on and on poking holes in your whackass post.....but you'll never learn. You're just a dumb liberal bitch.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm...

    by Marduk

    "I don't want to keep playing your silly 20 QUESTIONS nonsense"<p><br /> Of course you don't. You're just an incoherent hodgepodge of received wisdom that flies into a rage at the merest hint of the "other".<p><br /> Hence your intuitive leap to "Nancy Pelosi spiked it with some thick Barney Frank Juice" as a way of dealing with certain innate personal fears.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    MJ - YOU BONAFIDE PSYCHOTIC

    by BringingSexyBack

    Gott damn.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    MJ needs to bring the carrots and p's

    by Marduk

    Until then, he's dead to me.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    There is no liberal media...

    by Gremlin517

    It is a concept that the Right has put together to cover up their near total control of televised media. Let me give you a helpful hint when trying to decipher anything that comes from the Right--it's called Projection the unconscious denial of one's own actions, traits etc. placed upon others, etc.--the only difference is that with the "Right" it's conscious and used as a tool of misdirection (i.e. if you call the media "liberal" constantly then the news etc. can be used to promote a conservative agenda and nobody's going to believe it...) You can thank me later for helping you to see through an important tool of misdirection...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Rush Limbaugh and Palin

    by Colonel Activity

    Both hated by the majority of the American public now; they would become downright despised if they actually had to answer questions about policy. Limbaugh would garner about 20% of the vote; Palin, about 35%.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    My mistake country_boy, but to little effect

    by IndustryKiller!

    I misread your post and for that I apologize. But as far as the argument on our foreign oil goes it matters very little. Here's a excerpt from non-partisan website factcheck.org on the matter<P>"Meanwhile, President Bush tried to reheat some energy proposals that he's championed for years, to little effect. There are reasons for that. Back during the 2004 presidential election and even before, Bush called for Congress to allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, arguing that it would help the U.S. achieve energy independence, a goal we dismissed as unrealistic at the time. In 2003, 2005 and 2006, ANWR provisions were attached to several bills, but never made it to final passage. Not one to give up, Bush trotted the idea out again at a press conference this week: Bush (4/19): The Department of Energy estimates that ANWR could allow America to produce about a million additional barrels of oil every day, which translates to about 27 millions of gallons of gasoline and diesel every day. That would be about a 20 percent increase of oil -- crude oil production over U.S. levels, and it would likely mean lower gas prices. ANWR could create nearly a million barrels of oil a day (though the mean estimated “peak” number is 876,000 and would not hold steady "every day" as Bush claims). Current U.S. crude oil production is 5.1 million barrels a day. With rather generous rounding, one could calculate that oil from ANWR would bring a 20 percent increase in current U.S. crude oil production. But supply is only one part of the equation. Bush didn't mention that with U.S. consumption at 20.6 million barrels of oil a day, the ANWR bounty, if all went well, could only satisfy 5 percent of the U.S. thirst. That wouldn't have much impact on eventual gas prices. More importantly, any effect from drilling in ANWR wouldn't be realized for many years. Even if legislation to tap the oil reserves were passed today, it would take years to reap the crude. An Energy Information Administration analysis in 2004 concluded that "between 7 and 12 years were required from an approval to explore and develop the coastal region of ANWR until first production." The peak production of 876,000 barrels per day wouldn't come about for another five years or so. So even assuming Congress gave the go-ahead today, the first oil wouldn't begin flowing until sometime between 2015 and 2020, with peak output half a decade later."<P>So there's that. What they don't mention is that by the time the ANWR oil is market ready our oil consumption from Saudi Arabia would have increased 58 to 75% (a sobering number liberal and conservative alike), making it that much more negligible.<P>As far as the climategate inquiries, be skeptical all you want but you aren't going to find any investigative body with any sort of heft in the climatology community that doesn't, at the very least, consider global warming a real occurrence. You can think thousands upon thousands of scientists get together and scheme every day how they are going to dupe the public but it's no less delusional and stupid than guys who think the government orchestrated 9/11. It sounds to me like what you wanted was a conservative panel, and I think we both know how that would turn out. At this point I don't think anything would satisfy the aspersions you've cast, not that a few scientists hypothetically making shit up would amount to anything but an ad hominem argument to the greater settled science of climate change.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse = homophobe threatening murder

    by IndustryKiller!

    Thanks for making my point hoss

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    PALIN'S SHOW HAD 5 MILLION VIEWERS AND BROKE TLC RECORDS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Well, okay. 5 million viewers is about 2% of the American population. I got over 3 million more people than that in my city alone. <P> And breaking TLC records? TLC on its best day doesn't match Bravo when it's running old Season 3 Top Chef reruns. So let's please stop sucking Palin's cock and treating her like the second coming. Sheesh.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Ok Philbert, JFK was wrong.

    by IndustryKiller!

    Expecting us to be flabbergasted and tongue tied because a Democrat was wrong 50 years ago? Nice try.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    MJ - JUST READ LAST WEEK THAT AMONG LESBIAN COUPLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    The incidence of child abuse is 0%. <P> I suspect the incidence among gay couples is similarly nil / low. <P> Just wanted to bring that to your attention seeing as how you're so fond of equating gays with pedos.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Both rallies weighed the same

    by Dennis_Moore

    according to Bill Maher.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    INDUSTRYKILLER! - YOU SOLD ME

    by BringingSexyBack

    Excellent post. I do think 9/11 was an inside job, but we're eye to eye on the climate thingy.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Why are so many Repubs sex offenders?

    by Dennis_Moore

    www.republicansexoffenders.com

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST

    You people are still here?!

    by jae683

    It's over. Go home.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Right=Wrong

    by ShelbKis

    The right is wrong. The left is less wrong. The end. You guys are arguing on a fucking movie news site. Also, Palin is a fucking moron. There are better Republicans to defend, reds.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST

    And 5 million viewers

    by Fieldingm

    is about 2 million more than Mad Men (Herc's favourite show) has ever gotten. And let's not forget how well Bristol has done on DWTS. So suck on it, liberal scum!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Fieldingm

    by Colonel Activity

    Britney Spears sold more records in the 00's than Radiohead, so she is obviously better. Much better. You fucking piece of shit fucking sack of aborted tea-bagging asshat. Go kill yourself.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    All hail Palin the new Hitler.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

    Elect Palin and 2012 will happen

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST

    I understand your plight, Col. Activity!

    by Fieldingm

    Your anger comes from frustration, doesn't it? Because we've got babes like Sarah Palin on our side, and the best you can do is visualise Nancy Pelosi pleasuring herself with her Speaker's gavel. Oh, waitasec...you can't do even that anymore, can ya? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    NOW JOHN BOEHNER CAN PLEASURE HIMSELF WITH THE SPEAKER'S GAVEL

    by BringingSexyBack

    At least for 2 years when our side wins again.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge - You have greatly chapped my ass!

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    Royston Lodge said, "Kristin Kreuk? Really?! She's ok, but she's no Barbarella." HOW DARE YOU! How dare you compare the beautiful & talented Ms. Kreuk with an old dried up actress who was a traitor to her country. I'm ashamed to be in the same talkback with you. You are due a cold bowl of karma. Don't ever speak to me again!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:40 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    no homophobe here, I just think your lifestyle is gross and painful to the anus....and I like calling you a fag. But you need to live up to your liberal sterotype and call me a racist too you piece of garbage

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    MJ - IMAGINE IF YOU WERE RAISED BY LESBIANS INSTEAD

    by BringingSexyBack

    You'd actually be nice.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    chrisssetc.m

    by foree forehead

    "half the country" did not vote for obama in 2008. half of VOTERS voted for him, huuuuge difference.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    and re: climategate etc.

    by foree forehead

    regardless of what you think about the existence of global warming, go out on stick your face next to the exhaust of a bus and see if you think what comes out is good for the long-term health of the planet and humanity. tip: don't stick face next to it for too long though.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Here's what you Republicans don't understand

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    You have NO MEMORY at all.</p><p>Democrats took over the Senate at Reagan's first midterm election. He was re-elected.</p><p>Republicans took over the House at Clinton's first midterm. He was re-elected.</p><p>Democrats took over the House and the Senate at Bush's first midterm election. He was re-elected.</p><p>While you fucking idjits are busy laughing your asses off and smearing feces all over your faces...you have NO CANDIDATE FOR 2012! Your best hope is this retarded reality-show bitch! How fucking sad is that? Weren't you all saying how Obama was merely "a celebrity like Paris Hilton" last time? Your hypocrisy clearly knows no bounds!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST

    May I suggest an episode?

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    She has sex with Glenn Beck, then gives birth to Tard Satan.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm, you are SADLY uninformed

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    But what more could I expect from a Fox News hound.</p><p>NO WMDs were EVER found in Iraq. At least no chemical or biological ones. Sure they had some short-range conventional weaponry, but that was allowed.</p><p>I still remember the day a Marine found a single shell with some powder in it. Fox News went fuckign APESHIT crying from the roof tops "We found the WMDs! We found the WMDs!". Turns out that, nope. It HAD been a chemical weapon at one point, but as I'm sure you don't know because you are fucking ignorant, those weapons become innert after about 10 years. So the chemical and biological weapons Reagan gave them to use against Iran (even Bill OReilly admits this), which we then used as an excuse to invade, had all long been destroyed. So no, there was NO REASON WHATSOEVER to invade Iraq.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    PALIN premiere outdrew WALKING DEAD premiere...

    by Dan Halen

    read up on how you used to get beat up.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Jay242 - A little late to the party

    by skimn

    But nice to read from someone with firsthand knowledge of the woman, and has lived under her "reign". Kinda cuts through all the bullshit, when you get that side of the story.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    And just to underscore....

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    The Bush tax cuts HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR 10 FUCKING YEARS!</p><p>The result? RECORD UNEMPLOYMENT!</p><p>You conservatives is SO SMART!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT: post hoc ergo propter hoc?

    by Royston Lodge

    Hmm...

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    The Liberal Media; assholes

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Yeah, those ex-power czars really influenced the midterm elections, huh? The Democrats suffered defeat/humiliation as a result of an unscrupulous Pelosi (who will be re-elected chairwoman because the party is clueless), Reid (closet racist), Obama (ties with Bush for "Worst Ever") and the media that ineffectually tried to "lean" the vote. But the "popular" networks are even more corrupt than Fox and the public ain't buyin'!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    How this Show gained such huge ratings only proves..

    by Stalkeye

    ..how dumb Americans can be.And it's from a network called The Learning Channel.Talk about irony.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Hercules: More like a Keep Austin Weird Republican

    by corvette63

    Government taking control of healthcare is not a conservative solution to our healthcare problem. What people fail to realize is that government created the problem that it is now trying to solve. If you want to bring prices down, you allow more competition. That's just common sense.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Barack Obama's Asia

    by corvette63

    Got low ratings and was cancelled early. Unfortunately the cost will be in the billions. I understand that the producers are now exploring another Obama travel series in Europe though. I for one can't wait to see more zany antics of POTUS and FLOTUS. I'm hoping their wacky neighbor Joe Biden stops in on the next series.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    lmao hercules

    by happyboy

    seriously, selling out your integrity on this site to shill political crap shows how far this country has fallen. this is a geek site not a political site. you're selling out the integrity of what's supposed to be your profession on this site for a lowest-common denominator personality-driven moralizing of politics. you are a fucking tard, you think it makes you smart to ape what you see jon stewart or rachel maddow do on tv but it makes you a mindless sheep who shits where he eats. seriously if this were 40 years ago and this was China you'd be a Red Guard. If this were 400 years ago and you were European you'd be a footsoldier in the Inquisition. that you think it's smart to get swept up in the romanticism of complex political issue and demonize others' beliefs shows that you are undeserving of the democratic legacy your forefathers established for you. Let all the Asians and Mexicans in because effete and lost white boys like you are fucking it all up.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Palin

    by dukeroberts

    I'm a conservative Republican and this show didn't interest me in the least. And I think she and Bristol are hot. I will reserve my opinion of Willow until she is 18. Is she 18 yet? Of course, she made me mad when she quit as governor. I find that irritating about her.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    No more fucking "politics" on this board, guys...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    This is all about movies.<p>Plus, these themes flood these boards with much too many wannabe-politicians...

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Obama

    by MegaBeth

    Obama had accomplished close to nothing when he was elected president. He had almost no experience in running an organization. So it's no surprise he has been a failure.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful...

    by Marduk

    Dude, I didn't know she was your girlfriend.<p><br /> Sorry.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    So many bitter Dems on here! Hilarious!

    by Snake Foreskin

    Keep up the good work, guys. You're wasting time writing on this TB that you could spend trying to help Dems stage a comeback. And we can't have that!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Palin whould had a GRIZZLY MAN's fate

    by AsimovLives

    If she ever became USA's president, we can all kiss the future goodbye. All those post-nuclear apocalypse movies like THE DAY AFTER and THREADS will not be fiction anymore, but a sample of things to come.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Snake Foreskin, if democrats are bitter...

    by AsimovLives

    ... the republicans are retards. You guys don't deserve a president as good as Obama. The very americasn president and helped bring the USA back to the embrace of the rest of the world. You don't really deserve a president this good. Fucking bunch of unappreciative weiner whinners. Fuck's sakes!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Hercules I work in the healthcare industry and

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    I work in government healthcare for the last 26 years (and as a provider and recipient) I would say you get what you pay for. I have seen folks get completely wrong treatments for various reasons that include both fraud and incompetence.<p> Don't get me wrong, I think everyone should be able to get care however; the reality is that it is expensive and if you don't work or have longterm insurance then you are in bad shape. <p> My daughter has type 1 diabetes and under this tax payer plan by Obama, she won't be covered. Don't believe the hype or promises. That means I will pay in my hard earned taxes to support folks who pay in nothing and my daughter (who I support as she finishes grad school) will get nothing.<p> I say, get a job, buy insurance (which has protections to prevent folks getting dropped for claims) and move on.<p> If you look at other systems that provide healthcare, you will find may of the fringe not getting adequate care (elder being one).<p> Beware of what you wish for...you might get it.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Why such hatred for Sarah Palin?? I mean really.

    by chadiwack

    I'm a New Zealander living here and am still learning about your politics, I watched the show and thought it was okay, Why is there such hatred for this woman and her family. What did she do that was so deserving of all this angst?? What a vicious bunch of people.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    What did Sarah Palin do to deserve such anger??

    by chadiwack

    Please explain in detail. Don't just mouth off because you think it's the cool thing to do?? back your words with a factual statement.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    By the way...I too am a Republican....

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    Sorry it should be have worked....<p> I am a republican, hated Bush, hate Obama (clearly over his head) and don't see any hope or change in the future after Obama.<p> In my mind, I don't care what your policies are but be honest, do your best, and quit spending money that you didn't freaking earn. Do that and I will give you a shot.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Also...insurance companies don't restrict care

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    as much as you think. Physicians still have the last word on your care but some are simply too lazy to follow the procedures to get the care authorized. If you think Obamacare will be better then don't....it will certainly be as restrictive or more so to control costs. I get my healthcare through the government and I pay out the nose for co-pays all the time and even as an active duty service member been turned down for some treatments on the first, second, and third tries and I am supposed to be 100 percent covered (until I retire that is). Just a thought from a guy who has worked in the trenches at almost every large medical facility in the Army (and most small ones in Iraq and Afghanistan).

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Palin's an idiot, that's why even many repubs hate her

    by SithMenace

    She was plucked from obscurity because McCain needed something similar to Hilary Clinton, ie, a woman. If she was the same exact person, only a man instead of a woman, you never would have heard of her outside of Alaska. Ever.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Chad - successful conservative women are a threat

    by Chet_P_Disney

    Any successful woman who doesn't fit the Yale-educated gender-feminist mold(ie:Hilary,Elana Kagan) is a threat, because they've been taught literally all their lives that this is the only path for women to be successful in the evil corrupt, oppressive patriarchy that is America. In fact many of them are Leftists -because- of their unquestioning belief in an evil, unjust patriarchal America, so having to acknowledge the existence of someone like Palin drives them INSANE with rage. That said I think Palin would be a terrible President doubt she'll even make the primaries.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    by DeusExMachina

    I get your argument but here's mine. My uncle had a $100,000 a year job, was laid off, and could not find work again because of his age. It's a fact, employers don't want to hire people over in general because they are a bigger drain on resources... especially health insurance. So after opening and failing at his business, he had to take a temp job making only $25,000/year. He stopped going to the doctor because he didn't have insurance and couldn't afford it. And it's true, the emergency room won't turn away people. When he had his three blood clots and we all thought he was going to die, they did everything for him. But he still had a big ass bill afterwards. And then he couldn't afford the blood thinners that he was supposed to take. A year later he dropped dead before hitting the ground while getting off the train on the way to work. So, I get your argument about Obamacare. As a liberal I don't like it because to me it's a give away to the health insurance companies. So what are people like my uncle supposed to do when they just can't afford it? And plese don't say he should have gotten a second job.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    by Hercules

    But your daughter would be covered if she lived in Argentina, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Britain, Canada, Chile, Cuba, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Oman, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden, South Korea and Sri Lanka. <p> The one thing virtually every individual in these nations agree upon: their health care systems are far better than the United States'. <p> The one thing every American abroad I've spoken to can agree upon: their health care systems are far better than the United States'. <p> When our health care system isn't gouging hard-working Americans, it is putting the sick ones in the poor house. As bad as putting health care in the hands of a voter-controlled government - a la Social Security and Medicare - it's still preferable to the consumer rape perpetrated by the U.S. system the insurance companies control. <p> The new health care law is a step in the right direction but our health care system is still one of the worst in the civilized world. If we want to improve it, we need pass a law prohibiting insurance companies from contributing to political campaigns.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Democrats, total oblivion

    by thegreatwhatzit

    I was formerly affiliated with the party but cut-out, the joint stinks with hypocrisy and corruption: The Kennedys (can you say "Chappaquidick"? Talk about getting away with murder), Jesse Jackson, Pelosi (renominated!), Reid (renominated!), Rangel, ad infinitum. You'd think the party's bitter defeat would prompt a purge but nooooooooooo; the assholes re-elect the same crooks who were the catalysts for their humiliating decline. The vice president is an idiot (as evinced by gaffes in every speech) and the president is the D.C. equivalent of Soupy Sales. The Democrats deserved their exile; but Pelosi is unscatched, she's motoring in luxury cars and aircraft, all fueled by taxpayers' dollars.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Don

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Darn Enter Key.. Hercules....Not true for all

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    First, no healthcare system provides better service or more comprehensive care period. More Canadians come to the US for major oncology services and others would too if they could afford it (got to admit the drive is easier from Canada versus Australia).<p> My sister in law lives in Australia and has healthcare issues on both sides of the pond. She is not too pleased with that provided in the Outback(long time between appointments....8 hours wait time in emergency care and flat out refusal to provide service). She actually came back to the US last year for a skin cancer surgery because they would not cover it in Australia (4 grand flights back and forth).<p> So I would now agree there are problems all over but our system works. Best and brightest providing quality services, at a cost. <p> I will tell you this much. If we do put in socialized medical care then forget the best and brightest going to medical school. If you can't earn based on your skills and work ethic then you will see many folks going to other careers. I taught at a major medical school and believe me when I tell you that most want to earn back their investment in both time and energy. For my kid, I hope we figure out something but I do have some very expensive insurance picked out just in case.<p>

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by BurnHollywood

    "If we want to improve it, we need to pass a law prohibiting insurance companies from contributing to political campaigns."<p> The Roberts-controlled Supreme Court would probably call that a violation of the First Amendment, thanks to its recognition of "corporate personhood".

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    By the way too Herc

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    Not all the military are republicans but many are conservative. Someone asked why military folks vote in republicans and I would say it is because those that serve hold similar value systems and core ideals but I could be wrong. <p> I would say for sure that most feel that conservatives better represent the idea of duty, honor, and country over others (in many cases).<p> Anyway, just saying we have a mix in my service but most that stay long term tend to be conservative.<p> PS: Colonel Activity. You kind of give Colonels a bad name but I respect your will to put it on the line and argue no matter how inane the point.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    Right you are on that one. Most sane argument in this entire talkback. Kudos.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Hear! Hear! DocSavage!!

    by jay2517

    we have the best health care in the world. extreme libs like Herc just can't (won't??) comprehend it. so sick and fucking tired of hearing we dont have great health care. wonder why Herc and Michael Moore dont scoot down to Cuba for their major treatments??

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    DocSavageFanFromWayBack

    by BurnHollywood

    "If we do put in socialized medical care then forget the best and brightest going to medical school. If you can't earn based on your skills and work ethic then you will see many folks going to other careers."<p> The French and Italian health care systems found a way around this "brain drain" issue by allowing their medical professionals to earn outside the government network. In other words, if a wealthy patient wants to commission their immediate services and pay out of pocket, it's allowed, as long as they continue to provide their usual services to the government system.<p> Also, your statement that "no healthcare system provides better service or more comprehensive care period" is both inaccurate (France and Italy are consistently ranked higher than the US) and a bit of a logical fallacy...you mean, NO ONE in the world has better health care than anyone else?

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    for the umpeenth time...we dont need HC reform...

    by jay2517

    we need insurance reform for fuck sake. there is NOTHING wrong with out HC we just need better and more fair ACCESS to it yeeesshhh...

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    If that bitch gets elected I'm joining Alqida

    by JohnWayneWasGay

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    "More Canadians come to the US for major oncology services and o

    by Hercules

    What do you mean by "more Canadians"? Are you saying more Canadians are treated for cancer in the U.S. than in Canada? <p>That's a shocking stat. <p>Whatever your meaning, can you link to whereever you saw this? <p> Also, why does Australia deny cancer treatment?

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Oh, and on this "long wait" issue.

    by Hercules

    I'd much prefer my grandma wait for nine hours in a clinic waiting room than see her lose her house paying for cancer treatments. Wouldn't you?

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Also, with regard to your sister-in-law in Australia

    by Hercules

    Do you believe she would vote to abolish universal health care in Australia and return to a private system like the one we have here in the U.S.?

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Industrykiller @ Nov 15th, 2010 05:36:19 PM

    by Immortal_Fish

    He actually wrote "airphotoshoplive"<P>BLA-hah-hah-hah-hah!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Sarah Palin Is Someone Who Missed Her Calling...

    by Media Messiah

    ...as a porn actress. The rest is just dumb-luck, and good old fashioned...sociopathic fueled opportunism. She really is an unstable, megalomanic--who is of average, to low, intelligence, who got-over, in politics, based upon on her looks. Really, if all was in-balance in the world, she would be doing hardcore porn right now, not running for office--or giving mentally twisted political speeches.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Re: Healthcare in the US

    by Colonel Activity

    Is ranked 37th in the world, right behind Costa Rico. You fucking piece of shit motherfucking doucebags.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Irock Obeyme Is Someone Who Missed His Calling...

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...as a Starbucks employee. The rest is just dumb-luck, and good old fashioned...sociopathic fueled opportunism. He really is an unstable, megalomanic--who is of average, to low intelligence, who got-over, in politics, based upon on his skin. Really, if all was in-balance in the world, he would be getting Bill Clinton coffee right now, not running for office--or giving mentally twisted political speeches.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    *rica

    by Colonel Activity

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    People who blindly yell

    by Colonel Activity

    that the United States is number 1 have clearly never been outside the US and have talked to a foreigner. The US is number 1 when it comes to the quantity of mass media produced, food produced, military, and paranoia.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    People who blindly yell

    by Immortal_Fish

    in protest of American exceptionalism have clearly never enjoyed being in the US or have talked to a patriot. The US is number 1 when it comes to the quantity of countries liberated, aid given, military, and promotion of individual freedom.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    SARAH PALIN IS A DOUCHE NOZZLE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Literally.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    immortal_fish

    by Colonel Activity

    YOu're talking to a guy from the midwest, you tool bag. The countries liberated thing? You are so full of shit. Aid given per capita? Not so much. I said military, which isn't that awesome when you realize it helps, along with Republican fiscal policies, to run up our debts. And individual freedom? Really? Paying through your nose for healtcare is freedom? You fucking pud faggot.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!, what's wrong with replacing 5% of our oil?

    by CountryBoy

    When George W. Bush wanted to invest 2% of Social Security benefits in stocks, his opponenets flew into a rage. Why is 2% of Social Security astronomical, but 5% of our oil supply negligible?<p>Whatever the number, my point remains: foes of drilling would prevent it for the sake of a tiny fraction of the land in question; an area that in any case is little more suited to flora and fauna than Death Valley. Why?<p>As for the length of time it would take ot acquire, I've honestly never understood this argument. If you can have billions of barrels of oil in 15 years, or not, why choose "not"? In 15 years you'll be here anyway, with or without the oil. I don't understand why time is a dealbreaker. (In all honesty, I may be missing something here. This argument just seems nuts to me, so maybe there's some glaring reason I don't see.)<p>I don't think global warming is thousands of scientists getting together to scheme, but I do think it's big, big business with immense financial and cultural pressure to conform, with its "consensus" massaged for effect (it turns out 31,000 scientists publicly denied it), and whose "evidence" its supporters would sum up as "everything that's happened ever." <p>And the Al Gore thing really does stick in my mind: if he honestly, deep down, thinks global warming is a threat of such overwhelming magnitude, which everyone should do his part to prevent, why does he live his personal life as if it's a big joke? Does he REALLY think we're on the edge of destruction, with "Earth in the Balance" as he titled his book -- so he responds with lavish indulgence and excess? It's so important eveyone must dramatically alter his lifestyle... except him, who gets whatever he wants? Does this look like someone who believes what he's telling us?

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    Shouldn't you be groing through the Hospital nursery and sucking all the fat baby dicks right now?....That is your job right? I'm pretty sure your job is sucking fat baby dick

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Kernel Activity

    by Immortal_Fish

    "YOu're talking to a guy from the midwest, you tool bag."<br /> <br /> You're talking to a guy from Massachusetts, you tool bag.<br /> <br /> "The countries liberated thing? You are so full of shit."<br /> <br /> Really? After WWII even? Really? Are we at least #2?<br /> <br /> BTW, I've been taking colace. So I'm not full of shit, trust me.<br /> <br /> "Aid given per capita? Not so much."<br /> <br /> So you really believe that there are other countries that have given more in foreign aid, ever? Really? Wow. That goes a long way to make me feel that my 50% tax drain is worthwhile.<br /> <br /> "I said military, which isn't that awesome when you realize it helps"<br /> <br /> Isn't it? Our military is TOO AWESOME! Glad you agree.<br /> <br /> "along with Republican fiscal policies, to run up our debts."<br /> <br /> Going into debt to smash the cold war was a wise investment. Please quantify, categorize, and corroborate how you disagree.<br /> <br /> "And individual freedom? Really? Paying through your nose for healtcare is freedom?"<br /> <br /> I presume you suggest paying a premium for 'free' healthcare is... free-er?<br /> <br /> "You fucking pud faggot."<br /> <br /> What's wrong with homosexuality? Are you this nation's first liberal bigot ever? At least I'm the one doing the fucking. ::eyeroll::

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:25 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I want you doggystyle right now!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    ahahahahahahaha @ herc

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    he's really going overboard to validate himself here today. <p> say Herc - can you update with the ratings for the first episode? I heard something on the radio that upwards of 8 million people tuned in.<p> Thats like, 7.86 million more than Conan.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Ratings

    by Immortal_Fish

    The Walking Dead earns 5mil ratings. It's a smash success.<br /> <br /> Sarah Palin's Alaska earns 5mil ratings. It's doomed for failure.<br /> <br /> ---<br /> <br /> Obama beats McCain 53% to 46%, a landslide victory.<br /> <br /> Brown beats Coakley 52% to 47%, a narrow victory.<br /> <br /> ---<br /> <br /> Nope! No bias to see here! Move along, people!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    immortal_fish

    by Colonel Activity

    You were implying that I was not from America, you fucking jackass boy raper. WWII was not won by Americans in the European theatre, hate to break it to you, jackass. Whoever was on Stalin's side was going to win. And I think you have a problem with understanding per capita, since there are many other countries that give more, per capita than America. You fucking jingoistic piece of shit. If you can't objectively look at the world, get the fuck out you piece of shit. I said we were number one in military, but that's because we spend so much. This is not a good thing. And the Cold War was over twenty years ago, you fucking rat bastard asshat fucking pussy coward piece of shit. Anyway, the Soviet Union collapsed because of oil prices and mismanagement, not because of an arms build up. What is your level of education? Pre school. I want you, and any person sharing a trace of your DNA, to drink bleach and then blow your fucking brains out, you worthless fucking douchbag ass raping fuck

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    how does one "get the fuck out" of the world anyway?

    by jay2517

    u must have been beat up on alot growing up mr colonel...

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    so I heard you had a threesome with your parents...and both are dudes....sounds true to me. Your last post was nearly Michael Moore bad. I have been (and lived)overseas ....and uh yeah....America is number 1....by far. Don't let the news fool ya sheep boy.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    MJ

    by Colonel Activity

    Lived in Europe, and no it isn't, Bush-voting pussyboy coward nothing piece of shit.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    lol, Europe smells like dog shit and it's full of frail queers....like you. Now I know you're talking out of your ass, name a specific place you lying toad. Saying I lived in Europe is like saying "yeah...I use to live in the North-East Hemisphere of the Solar System"...it's also like saying "yeah...I suck cock...what of it!"

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I lived in

    by Colonel Activity

    Alnwick, Northumberland, England. You piece you shit coward. I'll break your fucking arms, poop thief.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I lived in

    by Colonel Activity

    Alnwick, Northumberland, England. You piece you shit coward. I'll break your fucking arms, poop thief.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    You live in a box in downtown Chicago you fuckin' liar

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    You are probably on a stolen computer with wi-fi right now trying to satisfy your lust for child porn. Oh yeah....and England is a giant piece of Catshit and the women there are fucking ugly....but then again, you don't like women.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Colon Activity

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    There, I think that name fits you better. Lol, break my arms! I'll break your hymen ya tubby bitch

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Okay

    by Colonel Activity

    Whatever you say. Give me your address, pussy. Coward

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    MJ

    by Colonel Activity

    Is a boy raping coward who is a glory-hole fuck toy for a bunch of inbred fat ass in Southie. Fucking pussy. Go kill yourself you republican coward. Going across a river doesn't mean, oversea you fucking faggot piece of trash fucking coward. DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    MJ

    by Colonel Activity

    got gangraped at catholic school by a bunch of transgendered nuns. You are a complete waste of skin. Kill yourself. Kill yourself. You have no education, you have no job, you live at home with your grandma who sexually abuses you with a "bop it" toy, and you pay people to have their dogs shit in your mouth. you should kill yourself.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    ALL REPUBLICAN TRAITORS

    by Colonel Activity

    DIIIIIIEEEEEE

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    "POOP THIEF"

    by BringingSexyBack

    LMAO!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    I win because

    by Colonel Activity

    I am better than MJ in every possible way. I am beetter than you, coward.

  • Nov. 16, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU DESERVES

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    "The wars in Iraq were justified"??????

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    I can't believe that in this day and age people are still peddling that idiotic moronic nonsense. <br> Even Bush himself doesn't believe that crap, despite the fact that he has to toe the line to sell his silly book. <br> What kind of absolute Moron seriously still believes that crap today? Probably the same kind of idiots that still believe the Sun actually revolves around the Earth and that if you sail far enough and don't turn your ship around, you will fall off the edge of the earth. <br> It's technically impossible to take anyone seriously who makes such a dimwitted comment in an adult conversation.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Interesting...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Not.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 7:55 a.m. CST

    You're right "drain.

    by Stalkeye

    That shit is obviously fixed by the Network (ABC) So no matter how many votes Brandy received, it didnt make a damn difference.(Not that I give a shit about Brandy, since she was involved in a reckless Car accident that killed two people.so how the fuck was she considered for 'Dancing in the first place?)But yeah, the votes are definately fixed.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Neocons = retard scumbag traitors

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Kai_Mah'gra

    by AsimovLives

    You said it, brother.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin is NOT the Tea Party's pick for President

    by Royston Lodge

    Palin a hero to many in Tea Party, but not their pick for president:<p> http://tinyurl.com/2vbnb4b

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity needs some anger management.

    by DoctorWho?

    And throw in some sensitivity training too.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I neither need nor want

    by Colonel Activity

    anger and/or sensitivity training.

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I'd crush you and all of your male relatives at the same time. Then I'd pull out my meaty dick for all of your female relatives to feast upon....old and young. You're an internet bitch with a little dick

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    I'd crush you and all of your male relatives at the same time. Then I'd pull out my meaty dick for all of your female relatives to feast upon....old and young. You're an internet bitch with a little dick

  • Nov. 17, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    William_Faulkner

    by Immortal_Fish

    You do not promote abstinence by way of promoting condom use.<P>You glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

  • Nov. 18, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    William_Faulkner

    by Immortal_Fish

    Since when do public service announcements promote a brand name product? They may have _mentioned_ abstinence at the beginning, but this was clearly an overly long ad for Magnum condoms and Mike the "stipulation's" ego. You poop thief.