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AMC Rubs Out

I am – Hercules!! Mere days after renewing “The Walking Dead,” AMC has cancelled “Rubicon,” the freshman conspiracy thriller that was easily the lowest rated of the channel’s series.

How it compares to the other AMC original dramas: Sunday 18-49 finals (most recent first): (2.5) (2.7) The Walking Dead (0.8) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) Mad Men (0.7) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (0.9) Breaking Bad (0.2) (0.3) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.4) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.3) Rubicon

From AMC:
AMC will not be renewing original series, "Rubicon," for a second season. "Rubicon" premiered on AMC on August 1, 2010 and was produced by Warner Horizon Television. Following is a statement on behalf of the network: "'Rubicon' gave us an opportunity to tell a rich and compelling story, and we're proud of the series. This was not an easy decision, but we are grateful to have had the opportunity to work with such a phenomenally talented and dedicated team."
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  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Any chance the BBC might save it?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Oh, and fuck AMC so hard for this. Seriously. "Rubicon" was better than any of their critically approved pretentious crapfests.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Oh well, it was nice while it last.

    by Amadeo Zeller

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by thecinemasnob

    Just started getting into this.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by mayorofsmpleton

    Not surprised. I mean -- there wasn't even a single complaint on this talkback yet. ;) It took too long to get moving and people weren't all that interested. I didn't find the cast all that engaging either. Mad Men/Breaking Bad this was not. The Walking Dead is great though. Still not their best show, however.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I swear, I was gonna watch this...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Aw shucks.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by Life Proof

    This was my favorite new show other than Boardwalk Empire.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Kinda bullshit

    by Badger23

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by jackcameron

    This show was awesome. It was a good slow burn. Hopefully they put it on DVD for those who missed it and those of us who want to watch again.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by MGTHEDJ

    Ok, so who were the 6 later 5 childhood friends pulling the strings. Children of Russian/East German Spies? Children of Nazis? Just a bunch of trust fund rich assholes who thought up the notion as children at a lake in NY one summer "How about we rule the world?"<p>Oh well.-----later-----m

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    It's fine as is.

    by HoboCode

    I think the show ended in the best way possible with the finale. You can enjoy it without feeling like anythign has been unresolved. That's the nature of the show anyway.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    All AMC needs to do now is...

    by HapaPapa72

    Bring back Carnivale, and they've got me for good.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    And yeah, I know it was HBO originally.

    by HapaPapa72

    I was hoping AMC could pick up where HBO left off.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Best show I've seen in a while.

    by Dataset

    Smartest show I've seen in ten years.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    the 6 people that watched are gonna be mad

    by Redhead_Redemption

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Well Shit

    by SuperXY

    I assumed all season that it would be canceled. It was the most intelligent show I had seen in at quite a while. And, it was well acted. A shame, but slow-moving intelletual shows don't make for high ratings. I was really hoping they'd renew it just so they could show they really are all about stories like they claim to be. It was easily my favorite new show of the year.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Not unexpected but still sad...

    by johnnyangelheart

    At least make a movie to wrap up the ending!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    this show was damned when...

    by BandysTract

    the 'preview' of its pilot made AMC's schedule look like Breaking Bad's season finale was extra long

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Rubicon's cancellation

    by Scarecrow237

    Rubicon was canceled because it was so close to the real conspiracy. We can't allow the real story to be out there now can we?

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Good riddance

    by mullymt

    This show was far less intelligent than it thought it was. It was a "smart" show for average minds.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed this show

    by punto

    but I kinda liked the "code breaking" stuff (like that scene where he asks the guy about 7 digit numbers, and he says "people", I love that shit). The kinda got into the main conspiracy too fast, and they moved away from that.. Still, I enjoyed this show

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I really liked this show, but I'm not surprised.

    by Rebel Scumb

    I like a good slow burn, and this is the closest to John le Carre that a spy show has ever gotten.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    When the hero solves it in Season 1 = NO Season 2

    by tangcameo

    We could have been shown the conspiracy from the side of the conspirators and still had Will Travers in the dark. That would have led to a Season 2. But he solved it and the villian say "Who cares?" and Miranda Richardson gets killed off - great ways to SLAM the door shut on a second season.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Sad, but not unexpected

    by Boxcutter

    I stuck with it and just got progressively more irritated at the holes in the plot and the bizarre, inexplicable behaviour of the lead character. Yes, the casting was interesting and they tried their damnedest to make it interesting and cerebral and moving. But it wasn't. Like the closed world they represented, there was literally nowhere for the show to go, to breathe. Either he'll uncover and/or explain the conspiracy or he won't. Either they'll stop the event or they won't. To Rebel Scumb's point, I love a good slow burn too, but this was painfully inarticulate and clunky; more of a sputter and some smoke that lingered for a while. Some good acting work despite the faux-terseness of the script, but the narrative chugged along predictable rails. Le Carre's world is there in the Guinness TV adaptations of two Smiley books - and it had more of a ring of authenticity, queasiness and dread. This sought to recapture the 70s: Pakula's world, Parallax View, Watergate, Condor - but locate it in the unsettled, hyper-aware and overstrained milieu of the intelligence gatherers today. And I wanted it to work, I was on its side, but it didn't have the chops, thereby (sadly) dooming all who attempt to explore similar TV territory.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Hey Rebel Scum? Have you not seen...

    by tangcameo

    ...Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy - or Smiley's People - with Alec Guiness?

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Loved it!

    by NzYme

    I loved the show but I do realize that the ratings were low all season. It's a damn shame more people didn't watch. James Badge Dale was freaking awesome in the show. Hope he catches on a new show!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    I now have grave doubts about The Killing

    by tangcameo

    Mad Men and Breaking Bad have no real ending points. Like Rubicon, The Killing will probably end with the solving of something (hopefully not in Season 1).

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    James Badge Dale

    by mullymt

    Was pretty awesome. The show sucked, but I'll watch the next thing he's in. JBD with Olyphant on Justified?

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I could not watch a single episode

    by skimn

    because Dale's hair looked an unwashed poodle on his head.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Is this really surprising?

    by AshokForgiven

    I thought The Walking Dead was phenomenal. Renewed? No surprise there. <br><br> Rubicon? Hands down my least favorite AMC series ever. I think the fact it was ever greenlit is more shocking than its cancellation.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    jesus christ...every time I love a show this happens.

    by Cap'n Jack

    fucking networks...they didn't even give it a chance.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    The Council on Foreign Relations...

    by Screentext

    ...forced it's cancellation. Just kidding. Sort of.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    How dare a network assume the general public is intelligent...

    by Cap'n Jack

    most of the public is a bunch of moronic, mouth-breathers waiting for another "housewives" show.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Aaaaaaand...I'm Depressed

    by Crow3711

    Just another shitty thing on my plate of things in this shitty shitty week. I really fucking wanted this to get a second season. God damnit america, and your stupid fucking stupidness. Watch something intelligent for once.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    What the heck is Terriers.

    by AshokForgiven

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    It sucked

    by deelzbub

    That's why. Now we won't have to hear people asking for a Rubicon TB while we are talking About Mad Men or Walking Dead. Thank Jeebus.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    It's too bad

    by oisin5199

    Rubicon was an extremely artful show. Not just another conspiracy theory show, it focused on how the grinding, unglamorous world of intelligence gathering necessarily isolated and dehumanized its participants. I loved its cinematic nature. I loved how Miles' office had framed comic book covers, most notably the grenade from the cover of the first issue of Grant Morrison's The Invisibles (which commented on the show quite cleverly). I loved Will's weary presence. I loved the badassness of Kale (and the fact that he was openly gay took nothing away from that). I wanted to know more about the neighbor who wasn't who she appeared. I loved Truxton Spangler. Just the name. The way he always sat sideways in his chair, ate cereal in the office, smirked and blustered (even when he was putting on a show for the rubes). Just a fantastic piece of work all around. The makers of the show and the actors should all be proud. Not every show can be about meth, zombies, and Christina Hendricks' rack. I really wish AMC would reconsider.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by RainesMaker

    i wanted to like it, but it was so fucking slow and boring.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    that its characters, despite the dark shit they had to deal with in their jobs, were all striving for connection. Some episodes, like the ones written by Zak Whedon, were absolutely stunning in that regard.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    also love Terriers

    by oisin5199

    favorite new show of the season. Just sayin'

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    What are you going to do if nobody's watching?

    by lock67ca

    It was a good show, but those ratings didn't justify spending the money to keep it in production. It moved too slow for most of the ADD suffering public. Most of the people who may have been forced to use their brains obviously tuned out early. Look on the bright side. This show wouldn't have lasted more than one or two episodes on Fox.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Good, Spend the Money on Something Better

    by _Maltheus_

    I wanted to like this show, but the crossword puzzle activations and four leaf clovers had me turning the channel after two episodes. Slow, I can handle. Stupid, I can't.<br /> <br /> And then there was the whole plot that was centered around the death of a character in the first episode. How was I suppose to get invested in that?<br /> <br /> Perhaps the show got good after I stopped watching, but I just couldn't see a path for it to improve.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    By the way, AICN, thanks for supporting the show!

    by StarWarsRedux

    I'm surprised its cancellation is even being covered. Way to help out a fledgling series.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Great show, shitty finale

    by 7Cal

    The first few episodes WERE slow, but good enough that I stuck with it. From about ep 3 to the penultimate episode were AWESOME. Then, one of the worst season finales ever. Blech, I have a laundry list of things wrong with that finale but don't want to bother rehashing them here. It just blew.<br><br>And, based on what the producers were saying, I'm not sure that we wanted a second season. They were going to make it MORE focused on the people at API and less on plot, saying they would probably get rid of an 'over arching' story and have CSI-type "cases of the week," and really focus on how they affect the people there. Fuck that shit. Probably best that it got cancelled when it did and we have some good memories from a solid show while it lasted.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Fucking tragic.....

    by blackflowerX

    Bastards!!!!!!! We actually get an intelligent grown up drama to watch and the cancel the fucker.... Typical. <br><br> I adore the "The Walking Dead" comic , and I have high hopes for the T.V show (even though the second episode was a bit shit in some ways ) but I would take "Rubicon" over anything else on T.V right now . <br>The last episode was a shit way to end the show , and in many ways spoiled the rest of the season.<br>,<br>I guess its just another example of how fucktarded the viewing public is ......<br><br> Fuck em , and AMC....

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I really warmed to that show.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I liked it but it wasn't special

    by FrodoFraggins

    It's nice to have something "different" on TV to watch. But I just didn't really care about what happened to the characters. They were all mostly unlikeable and self absorbed.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    3 out of 4 hits is pretty damn good

    by HeisenbergsBlueSky

    i gave the first episode a go but didnt get into it.amc is still kicking ass tho.i also suspect by the time breaking bad returns so will a larger audience.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Glacially slow, but very cool

    by Captain_Ridley

    Rubicon was a very cool show. Glacially slow, but very cool; it's a shame that it didn't go to a second series now that the conspiracy has been revealed. The reveal was rewarding like a tough crossword puzzle. The problem was those first half dozen episodes. They were all over the place. We had no idea what was supposed to be going on. <p> If you're not watching Terriers btw, go watch it now. Easily the best new show of the season, and nobody's paying any attention!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    The worst office drama I've ever seen

    by TenThousandBears

    And yet another scene where Captain I Miss My Wife heads up to the roof to play another game of "Do I Have the Balls Today". It seemed to be paced really slow, the stakes at play were ambiguous (at least to the point where I watched it), everybody and their dog seems sinister and the conspiracy is stupid powerful. Crashing two trains together to kill one guy? Reminds me too much of the ninja hitman bishop murder at the start of Prison Break, about as subtle as - well as a train crash. I liked the secretary with the big boobies, but the only other characters I can remember are doughnut obsessed dude, pregnant chick and the guy who watches too much news. These are not compelling character traits.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    It was a good show. It's funny how Rubicon haters...

    by American Mythos

    have to resort to the argument that the "show was far less intelligent than it thought it was." Even on the tvbythenumbers website, people were insulting the deliberate pace and "supposed" intelligence of the show. Rubicon haters' intellectual insecurities are on full display. Just say the show wasn't your thing. Don't hate it because it was a smart--oh look something shiny!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Except it wasn't smart

    by mayorofsmpleton

    It was just poorly written and horribly miscast. It had a shred of a good idea and no clue as to how to execute it well. **God damnit america, and your stupid fucking stupidness. Watch something intelligent for once.** They were -- it's why Rubicon was canceled. ;)

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    One thing I liked about Rubicon

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Was how the whole terrorist plot the reveal hinged on developed. Very slowly and for the most part, just in dialogue, talking about stuff happening half a world away. I thought that was a cool way of going about it. <p>The show wasn't exceptional but it might have gotten to be. It was good though, and different enough to be refreshing. As I've said before it was like watching a BBC show with American accents, which is cool with me.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    sad but not surprised

    by ihatefanboys

    honestly RUBICON being cancelled and DEAD getting a 2nd season 2 episodes in just goes to show the viewing habits of the american public. anything thats too complicated or wordy, and requires remembering things from week to week is too much for a stupid audience thats been dumbed down by jersey shore, and all the other reality shows. the walking dead appeals to the majority of americans, real walking dead if u ask sad

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    It had to go.

    by fiester

    Slow and boring.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by DarthScotland

    I loved rubicon, but could see why it wouldnt last, very slow paced, but just what I like. Just regrettable it ended up a cliff

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    by arzbest

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    My favorite show of the past year...

    by arzbest

    ..and it gets cancelled. From about the 4th episode on, "Rubicon" was the best thing on the tube. But, it looks like most people bailed on the show by then, so this is no surprise. But, I do love me some conspiracy shows!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Breaking Bad is amazing

    by torontoxic

    The Walking Dead needs to find its voice and a discernable goal or set of goals for the characters soon. Its suffering from the limitations of the material it was adapted from. Mad Men is pedantic garbage that only impresses half wits. Rubicon I gave up on. I hated pretty much every character so unless it was planning on turning into a series of snuff films then I'm glad they got rid of it. More room for AMC to back something of quality. Like Breaking Bad.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Goddamn it...

    by kadayi

    Characters were awesome (esp Truxton Spangler). Most unfortunate. Here's hoping Terriers survives.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    It had some good things going for it

    by veritasses

    Clearly, it wasn't haphazardly slapped together like so much crap on TV these days but unfortunately, it had too many issues which prevented it from being a show worth saving. A shame... a lot of missed opportunities too...

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by ultragoregrind

    oh c'mon, there is no need to get all butthurt at TWD over this. TWD probably owes a lot of it's success to fans like myself who know the comic and told everyone who'd listen to watch. Rubicon simply didn't have that sort of pre-installed fan base. How can you imply that TWD doesn't require the viewer to keep track of plot items from week to week? It's not a "zombie of the week" sort of program...

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by batman713

    Fuck those butthurt cunts. I'm not watching jack shit on their channel anymore.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Sucks for Rubicon fans

    by lv_426

    although I can't say I'm surprised it got the axe, as it always felt off for some odd reason. I just couldn't get into it.<P>Same thing with Caprica. I'm not at all surprised that it also got killed, as it just felt "strange" through the last few episodes.<P>Too bad the next BSG is not gonna move to AMC. I have a feeling SyFy will botch and then kill Blood & Chrome after the first season as well.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST

    ihatefanboys - sad but not surprised

    by lv_426

    Something I noticed about The Walking Dead that I also noticed right away in other stellar series like Band of Brothers and Battlestar Galactica, is that it had this primal driving urging the plot forward.<P>Band of Brothers: fight for your fellow soldier, and don't get killed<P>Battlestar Galactica: stay alive and outrun the Cylons, then later more focus on finding Earth<P>The Walking Dead: don't get eaten, and find the family<P>All three of these shows are not dumb, but they also are not muddled up with too much stuff either. I find that shows that got bogged down in too much shit (Rubicon, Lost, Caprica) don't have a single driving force of a goal behind the smaller story arcs.<P>And the fact that shows like Lost, BSG, The X-Files, and now The Event are doing well or did well tells me that the audience isn't merely a bunch of zombies who can't keep up with things that happened several episodes back down the plotline.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Blood & Chrome is Doomed

    by TenThousandBears

    The lead character is Adama, and it's a war story. They literally can't put the character in peril 'cos we all know he fraking survives the war, and we know how the war ends! We also know the outcome of the war is ultimately irrelevant! Argh!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    The Event is doing well?

    by Titus05

    news to me...seems like NBC gave it a full season order only because they didn't want to cancel all of their new me no way The Event will see Season 2

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Sounds like they needed a better ad campaign.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Should have hired Don Draper...

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    It was laborious to watch...

    by CountryBoy

    the definition of "impenetrable."

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by loc420

    First Caprica and now Rubicon, I'll see you guys later, Im gonna go hang myself.!!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    I wouldn't say it is doomed for those reasons. I mean, did anyone seriously think that Adama was gonna die early on in BSG? Maybe towards the latter part of season four, but even the end of season one, I thought they weren't gonna kill him off that quickly.<P>Blood & Chrome will introduce new characters we haven't seen before, and they could die at any moment, so I wouldn't worry. And just seeing Cylon War I in full swing and in more detail could be really awesome.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    New homes for Rubicon actors

    by American Mythos

    I could see James Badge Dale suave'ing it up in a role on Mad Men and Arliss Howard taking his subdued sinisterness over to Breaking Bad. Dallas Roberts (Miles from Rubicon) is twitchy and unbalanced enough to make for some great character acting on The Walking Dead. Just sayin'.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST

    I thought Adam Corolla was Clooney in that picture

    by CountryBoy

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Fucking A . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . wasn't perfect but it was definitely worth watching every week. Left me pumped for a second season. Fuck . . .

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by TenThousandBears

    I just don't see how I can enjoy a series where the outcome is immutably established, already known by the entire audience and unimportant in the greater mythos. Why not "Bill Adama and Saul Tigh in The Merchant Fleet: The Lost Years" or "Libron: The Undiscovered Planet"? Because those things and Blood And Chrome are answers to questions nobody is asking. Those new characters will have to be pretty damn compelling to carry this things baggage.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    I think the best post Caprica/BSG series they could do now would be one that focuses on the survivors/resistance immediately after Cylon War II. Besides the stuff with Helo, Starbuck, and Boomer meeting the resistance on Caprica, we never saw what went down on any of the other colonies. Surely the Cylons had to deal with similar resistance movements on the other eleven colonies.<P>Also, maybe Galactica and the rag tag fleet weren't the only vessels that got away after the attack? The Pegasus did, and also ran into other refugee ships fleeing the colonies. There is so much they could do with a series like that.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    TenThousandBears - more BSG stuff

    by lv_426

    A series on Kobol or Cylon Earth and how both worlds got to their apocalyptic ends could be really fascinating stuff too.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    TenThousandBears - even more BSG stuff

    by lv_426

    Now that I think of it, a new series on Cylon War I, but focusing on a different battlestar would be ideal. Sure it would be fun to see Husker Adama, but they could really do a lot more with a totally different ship and all new characters.<P>Still though, I'll take Cylon War I Husker Adama antics over Caprica any day.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8 p.m. CST


    by TenThousandBears

    I couldn't agree more, those are both excellent ideas that would excite the shot out of me. Here's another one: It's the 22nd century and humanity has a small ship presence in Earth's close orbit, maybe some asteroid mining or a Mars mission on the go. A strange signal is detected in the vicinity on the Sun and a group of characters who have the Right Stuff are sent to investigate. They find an ancient and derelict ship orbiting the Sun, and upon docking and investigating the dilapidated bridge they find a comatose man in a tub of dried goo and a crackling, staticy dradus screen showing a bring red Cyclon Base Star icon on the edge of the solar system.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    that could work too. Would the Cylons that left at the end of the series return eventually too? Either way, the cool thing is that it could tie into the whole "this has happened before, and will happen again" thing. Maybe by then, we will have developed or are developing our own type of Cylons?

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by TenThousandBears

    That would be cool, especially if humanity had to turn to its new Cylons to defend them from the old ones. And all the characters could be hallucinating hot blondes and long haired douchebags.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST


    by TenThousandBears

    That idea has the same problem as Caprica and Blood and Chrome, since the fates of all the characters and indeed the world itself are set in stone from the outset the whole narrative would be pointless. Whatever kind of story they tried to tell, the ending would be "and then they all died, except for these five dudes".

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Good Cast. "Technical" story...

    by chromedome

    Pace was very slow, methodical, as focused on the technicals of the story more than the characters. I liked it, would have watched a second season, but can certainly understand the low ratings.<p>The slow pace, slow reveals were meant to reflect the difficulty of obtaining and understand intelligence, and the intricacy of the plot /conspiracy being sought out. Unfortunately, this came across more like deliberate obtuseness.<p>I wanted to love this series, but only liked it. I think they were trying to mimic the mood/pace/approach of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy with Alec Guiness, and they missed the mark just enough to push away the viewers.<p>I really liked the casting, though, the production values, the lighting, the mood, the dialog. The villain was superbly written and portrayed.<p>But, of all my friends and family who started watching the series, I was the only one still watching it by midway thru its run. That says it all, right there....

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST


    by Smack_Teddy

    This really sucks; it was genuinely great in its own frankensteins-monster-coming-together=-till-the-climax way <p>Not even one more season!?... At least the ending works.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Thought this show would make it.

    by Yelsaeb

    Geuss not.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Series

    by aversiontherapy2

    Along with Terriers easily my favourite new show this year. I can understand why people didn't watch, it's not for everyone, but it was for me. God save Terriers.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    The headline should have been

    by InActionMan

    "Rubicon is Rubi-Gone" <P> Lots of interesting ideas, well acted, looked good but, ultimately a poor execution. <P> They should have been more episodic with the API team helping CIA/NSA catch the "Terrorist of the Week" with the conspiracy growing as the B story in each episode. Develop the relationship with the father-in-law so the audience feels it and understands why the hero is so obsessed by it. Season 2 should have been more like what we got with season 1. With a solid foundation established it would have been more compelling. <P> Maybe the show runner could write some books in the Rubicon universe. It had enough fans to be a moderate publishing success.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    I think you've got the right idea, but instead of EARTH, a similarly themed series based on KOBOL would work much better IMO.<P>All we really know about Kobol is that the gods/civilization fell, and there was a mass exodus off world, with the majority of the tribes going to the 12 colonies while the 13th tribe went to a place called Earth.<P>We wouldn't know who survives ahead of time, or who sides with the 12 colonies or deserts to the 13th tribe.<P>Maybe the 13th tribe is searching for this mystical "Earth" in a similar fashion to that of the fleet in BSG? In a sense, it could sort of be a sneaky reboot of BSG, but just not actually called BSG.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Blood and Chrome could be good

    by InActionMan

    The tale is in the telling. Titanic was a huge hit even though everybody knew the boat sank in the end. <P> The biggest problem with B&C is that in "Razor" Adama states that he really didn't see too much action and was only in the end of the war. Their gonna have to retcon the shit out of that if they go to series.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    "The biggest problem with B&C is that in "Razor" Adama states that he really didn't see too much action and was only in the end of the war. Their gonna have to retcon the shit out of that if they go to series."<P>In addition to the notion that they will be using primarily digital sets for Blood & Chrome, the retconning is my biggest worry. They certainly aren't shy about retconning to their heart's content, just witness some of the stuff they tried to pass off in Caprica.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Not too pleased with AMC over this decision...

    by TheContrarian

    This was one of the few shows I would actually watch in realtime (no dvr). Loved it! Loved the slow and deliberate pacing and I loved the characters. C'mon, how could you not appreciate a character like Kale Ingram, or despise Truxton Spangler? I still want to see Will react to knowing that David was on the dvd. I want to know the details of Maggie's relationship with Kale. I want to see Will discover Andy's true motives. Oh well, at least I've got BBC America's Luther to keep me occupied (until it ends in 2 weeks).

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Season 2

    by mayorofsmpleton

    Would also have been largely stand-alone, according to the showrunners -- so the deliberate pacing would kind have been gone anyway after the first season.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    This Ruined My Day

    by potusom

    I found the cinematography and score as intense as the acting and the story. It's really too bad, because while The Walking Dead is pretty cool, it's just a long zombie movie.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Is "18-49" really that important in this case?

    by Ribbons

    As those numbers show, EVERY AMC series besides for The Walking Dead is dismal in that regard. I know that's the "all-important" demographic, but it seems weird to literally remove the rest of the viewers from the ratings on display. Especially since here it's the difference between awful and slightly-less-awful.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Don't bag on AMC's other shows

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    C'mon, there's no need to take out your frustration over the cancellation on AMC's other three dramas, which are each excellent in their own right. And as others have pointed out, a second season of Rubicon would have been changed up into what sounds like yet another episodic procedural. So consider the one and only season of Rubicon a self-contained season storyline that succeeded overall.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead is next

    by SithMenace

    Just kidding, I love that show. Glad I never watched Rubicon now.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 3:03 a.m. CST

    What I hope doesn't happen

    by American Mythos

    Mad Men had crippling ratings in its first season, as with Rubicon. I love The Walking Dead, but I hope every show on AMC isn't held up to the ratings standards of that show, or eventually AMC is going to turn into every other network, competing for ratings no matter the quality of the product. Please, no procedurals on AMC. Leave that shit to the networks.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST


    by WarrenSmooth

    If Rubicon was any slower it would have been petrified. Rubicon tried to substitute plot development with hours and hours of James Badge Dale looking pained, while staring off into the distance. Good riddance!

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 7:11 a.m. CST

    fareal - seriously?

    by JAMF

    it was the slowest show ever. almost nothing happened until maybe the last two episodes. i liked everything about it except the writing.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    They broke up the slow burn w/ some action . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . I don't believe anybody saying otherwise truly thinks it was so weak that it wasn't worth watching and you wouldn't have stuck around for another season.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Too bad

    by The McPoyle Clan

    it wasn't a perfect show, but it tried to do something different, and it paired nicely with Mad Men. Too much for an ADD-riddled, neatly-in-a-bow American audience.<p><p>It's not surprising, but I would have thought AMC might have given it another chance considering how it's not necessarily a ratings whore, and the production costs might have been mitigated by the fact that they supposedly owned the actual API building. Guess the miniscule viewership wouldn't even support that.<p><p>Meanwhile, I'll enjoy what is probably the last three episodes of Terriers, another good show that nobody cares to watch. It raised its game again this week.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I tried to get through the first couple of hours

    by skimn

    but I couldn't get past the fact that I could care less for or about the main protaganist. If you don't find the lead compelling in any way shape or form, the plot is secondary. I could care less what happened.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 10:18 a.m. CST

    HERC Rubs One Out To RUBICON


  • Nov. 12, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Decent show... but this was expected.

    by monolithik

    I watched the whole season, and enjoyed it, but it wasn't quite as deft as it needed to be to move as slow as it did. The cast did a great job with what they were given, but they just weren't given enough. I liked the show, but a truly smart show could have done all of that, and done it in five episodes.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST

    I hate to see it go

    by ides

    Not a surprise, given the ratings, but it was a showcase for great characters and atmosphere.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Quick! Start a useless online campaign!

    by Heckles

    Get Rubicon to host SNL!

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    "Mad Men is pedantic garbage that only impresses half wits"<p>You dull cunt.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by gamerawangi

    Never could get the hang of that nerdy cube puzzle... Oh, wait. That was Rubik's Cube... Sorry.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Rubicon and Zombies

    by SuperXY

    I love that people saying Rubicon wasn't really intelligent are the same people talking about how Walking Dead is AMC's best show. If that is your opinion, then we don't really mind that you don't understand what intelligence actually is. Walking Dead is AMC's most fun show, and it is very entertaining, but it is the least intelligent show on the network. Just because I like an extremely intellectual program like Rubicon doesn't mean I can't love a fun show like Walking Dead, and vice versa.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by MegaBeth

    I never watched it. I saw some commercials for it and they didn't draw me in to actually watch. I did accidentally find it one day and I watched maybe 5 minutes. Looked boring so I bailed. The Walking Dead rocks! Love that show.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    DALLAS ROBERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Series7

    Is this generations most important Roberts!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    AMC didn't advertise Rubicon after debut

    by shutupfanboy

    Walking Dead got on audience since it was on Halloween night which fell on a Sunday ie people parties on Saturday and stayed home. Its also a decent show for those with good stomachs. The wife refuses to watch it due to nightmares. Any conspiracy show is going to either be to slow to develop or done so quickly it doesn't matter. X-Files had the foresight to add the monsters or super beings of the week to its format. If they ran aliens all the time, it would have been done by season 2. Of course, X-Files is the third problem with conspiracy shows, a bunch of contradictions and no bible to go from beginning to middle to end. They should have stopped at season 8 and then they could have done the movies. I like conspiracy shows, but I refuse to watch them anymore unless the premise is a little bit more then a Bourne movie. The Event falls into the same category.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST


    by nostairway

    Maybe if they had actually advertised it or promoted it on the late night talk shows people would have actually known about it. And I have to agree with some other posters here that I was really surprised that the show got no love here on AICN when Mad Men and now Walking Dead are getting tons of love. It makes me wonder if there is some beef between this site and Rubicon's people, because shows like Rubicon usually get the full two-handed release by this site.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    This show was bad

    by Spuncho

    I saw a few episodes. The problem wasn't that it was slow. The problem was that it was poorly written and inconsistent. Heroes was also a bad show for the same reason and it was faster paced. 24: same deal. Shows that are meant to be taken seriously should take themselves seriously.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    JBD has a awesome constipated face

    by RainesMaker

    this show was pretentious as hell

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Rubicon was simply too smart for Americans...

    by andrew coleman

    I mean seriously we have two... TWO NCIS shows so obviously this was canceled. I just hate the ratings system that allows retards to dictate what shows stay and go. It's bull shit. Most Americans are stupid as shit but some of us like good television. I feel like good television get canceled while bull shit shows stick around for years. Oh well I still have Fringe and Walking Dead I guess but fuck this sucks.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 5 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I'd say good post, but considering how much nerds love their zombies, it's kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. I do have to agree that I'm blown away at all the hate Rubicon is getting in this TalkBack... for a show that nobody watched, you all sure seem to have a lot of opinions about it.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST


    by mullymt

    There was nothing "super intellectual" about Rubicon. You can't fake smart.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    All you Rubicon Fans

    by InActionMan

    There is a new show in development for you set in my home town of Hartford, Connecticut about the scintillating world of actuarial science. <P> Now the true television watching intelligentsia will be exposed to the inner workings of the dynamic insurance industry. <P> The story center's on a young actuary just graduated from college. She wears too short skirts like Ally McBeal. She is beautiful but, also very depressed. <P> Every thing is going great until one day she stumbles upon a conspiracy to not revoke the health insurance of sick children. How high does the conspiracy go? Who is the cabal that is behind it and what are their motives? Stay tuned.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by American Mythos

    Fuck yes, what channel and what time? But, and this is important: How severe is her depression? Does she spend an equal amount of time staring out office windows, at city skylines, at inanimate objects (preferrably desk trinkets), and into nowhere? If so, I am FUCKING THERE.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST


    by leo54304

    You have my email address

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST


    by The_Black_Vegetable

    sounds like Unicron... now thats all I can think about

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    RUBICON was a slow slog from the 1st episode. Good it's Gone

    by JonChambers

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    The two problems with Rubicon

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    It sucked at building suspense. It's okay to be slow in this genre if by being slow you are building tension but most of the time it just wasn't.<p> Also there's no avoiding the fact that in this show's universe 9/11 was probably an inside job. There's no way that would go down well, it would come across as a leftist political polemic disguised as drama.<p> On the plus side, that actress who played Julia was subtley very attractive. I hope she gets more work.

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I love James Badge Dale so much.

    by AnnoyYou

    But even this love was not enough to keep me watching this ponderous dog of a show. Good grief. It had a great, completely squandered cast as characters about whom I could not give a rat's ass, and was completely obtuse and slow-moving in the extreme. Dale can do so much better, and I hope he does soon.

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Leo's STD test must have come back posative

    by InActionMan

    You should have worn a condom Anonymoose.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Oh Brain Drain....

    by LordEnigma

    Sugar Babes. Seriously, Sugar Babes. What you have to realize is that the US and GBR both are the two biggest producers of pop culture on earth. Yes, we cannot ignore Japan and Bollywood, but we provide stuff for them as well and we fail as much as we succeed.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    It's a damn shame but I'm not surprised

    by mradriano

    Great show but too hard to get into especially with everything else on tv. I enjoyed it while it lasted. I just hope that someone will sponsor them to make one final episode. Or not. It ended on a pretty good note too. As for the Rubicon fans who are scoffing at AMC. Learn some fucking business. If no one watches your show, you can't afford to make more episodes. It doesn't matter how artistically saturated your show is.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Whose buttons are trying to push, Childs ?

    by Nice Marmot

    Do you think any of the Americans you are describing are hanging out at AICN ?

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    lol good riddance

    by TheWaqman

    I can't believe I stuck with this show to the end. It veered towards the edge of parody during those lame episode closers. Like they'd have a guy staring at a carpet with suspenseful music amping up some nonexistent tension and then it would cut to credits. <p> Oh and I'll give you a season 1 recap: LOL all that investigating you were doing was for nothing, there was a dvd with a summary of the whole thing and also fuck you viewers, none of it meant anything. I'm peacing out, 4 leaf clover after me lucky charms.

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    This show was not for people with ADD

    by Smack_Teddy

    Theres stuff like Transformers, or 24 for that

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Rubicon is one of the best shows ever made

    by Nabster

    It was incredible. I wept uncontrollably when I heard AMC was heartlessly canceling this much beloved document of truth.