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TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO Loses To Both CONAN And DAVID LETTERMAN Monday!!

I am – Hercules!! Jay Leno’s current incarnation of “The Tonight Show” has been lagging Conan O’Brien’s “Tonight Show” in the adults 18-49 demo, and on Monday night TBS’ “Conan” more than tripled Leno’s number in that all-important metric: 3.30 million viewers 18-49: “Conan” 1.30 million viewers 18-49: “The Late Show With David Letterman” 0.95 million viewers 18-49: “The Tonight Show With Jay Leno” O’Brien also led in total viewers, 4.2 million to Leno's 3.5 million. O'Brien's basic-cable debut was the biggest thing in late night. To add insult to injury, “The Late Show With David Letterman” also continued to beat “Leno” Monday night in 18-49. Everyone expects a big dip on the second show, but it should be helped along by an appearance tonight by longtime Coco booster Tom Hanks. Find the Hollywood Reporter’s story on the matter here.

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  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Go Coco!

    by T-RACE

    Hope it continues to do well!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Show one was fun, but I need more comedy

    by daggor

    Two guests on the couch and a musical act is too much. Two real guests, tops, or I start changing channels. I really want the sketch before guest two to return, but I suppose they blew the wad on show one with the cold open. Here's hoping.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Where's the Glee and Desperate Housewives talkbacks????

    by strongbadmonkey

    Kidding.. Coco was great last night!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Eat it Leno, eat it with a fork!

    by JT Kirk

    That said, the show was a hurried up version of Conan's standard fare, and I do wish he'd get a little less shilly with his guests.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Conan is overrated

    by Titus05

    Conan is too inconsistent...can be funny at times but then painfully unfunny other times...more often then not I find him unfunny...he also does the same spastic moves for laughs every show...he'll never be what everyone wants him to be...his new TBS show is trying to recapture the magic from his early success on Late Night but that crowd has moved on to Craig Ferguson...after his TBS show gets cancelled what's next?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I love it how Leno is vilified in the media

    by Sithdan

    RIP responsibile journalism.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by sweeneydave

    Didn't you see? After this gets cancelled he's moving on to Food Network (according to Gervais).

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Leno ruined his own legacy

    by DrPain

    what an ass. Only person he can blame is the one he sees in the mirror every morning.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    How do they get these numbers?

    by Indiana-Joe

    It's great news and I hope Conan feels vindicated. But I've never understood how they get their facts and how acccurate they are. I know they used to mail out log books to selected households to keep track of tv viewing and I know a little bit about the Neilsen ratings. But I don't understand how they get numbers this fast and accurate. Anybody?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Solid start...

    by NotARegular

    for Conan. I wasn't expecting him to reinvent the wheel, just a return to form. And it's looking like he's returning to his pre-Tonight Show roots. ...having said that - the guests were pretty lame. Seth Rogen and some Glee chick? I actually was hoping he'd interview the nutcracker lady. I remember his old Late Night interview with the bread guy being hilarious so you don't need some big time actor to make a good interview. Also, Norm should have been a first show guest. Norm is the Don Rickles to Conan's Carson.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Anybody read Bill Carter's book?

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Thought about picking it up.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    RATINGS EXPLAINED

    by Razorback

    The overnight ratings are taken from 5,000 Nielsen homes using hardware that records what each member of the household is watching. There are different kind of meters used but most of them have buttons for each individual that flash, and the viewer has to push the button to indicate that they are actually watching (as opposed to just leaving the TV on). These fast national ratings are what you hear about each day. There are other means to record ratings that are collected weekly and monthly but we rarely hear about those numbers.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Conan is overrated- Part 2

    by Titus05

    Conan has all these 'alleged' supporters, Twitter fans, celebrity friends and Herc who is constantly trying to make him into some kind of comedy God but in reality most of these 'supporters' don't even watch his show otherwise his ratings would be a lot better...people just like to root for the underdog and Conan has become the face of underdogs everywhere...the guy who was wronged in life, fired by his boss and now revels in the notoriety...he'll never be anything more then an sideshow attraction...that's why they call them underdogs

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Ricky Gervais

    by funkylovemonkey

    was the highlight of the show. The rest felt strangely awkward. Awkward even for Conan. Hopefully Conan regains his form as time goes on... but seriously, those guests were horrible. I was expecting more big hitters. Leno's a little like Favre, he had the chance to bow out when there was at least a little bit of respect for him, but he keeps on coming back becoming less and less relevant until nobody really notices or cares once he actually does retire.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Ratings

    by Red Diver

    Ratings are taken from 5,000 homes when compared to the millions that have TV in them? How in the hell can they say that is a good enough sample size for their ratings? Seems dodgy to me...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Leno deserves all the negative press he gets

    by jimmy rabbitte

    He completely screwed Conan; and his contractual manoeuvers only served, to dredge up the bad feelings, of how he screwed Letterman back when Carson retired.<p> Leno's ten o'clock show tanked; and he knew it was going to get canceled sooner or later. Once he found out that Conan didn't have a time slot clause written, into his contract, he used that knowledge, to torpedo Conan's Tonight Show.<p> Leno is a snake. He agreed back in 2004 or 2005 (?) to leave the Tonight Show. He showed that he is not a man of his word; and that he'll snake anyone at any time.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    JAY LENO IS A SCAB DOUCHEBAG

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Ah, nostalgia. Congrats COCO.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    i give it at best 6 weeks

    by j2talk

    i give it at best 6 weeks, then Conan's ratings will be a tad better than George Lopez, at best it will be equal to the daily shows

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Red Diver

    by funkylovemonkey

    Actually 5,000 is a good sampling size as long as the homes chosen are sufficiently randomized. When collecting statistics for anything generally a little over a thousand is the goal. Having too large of a sample size can actually be detrimental because it increases the amount of variables which can lead to bad data. Back sixty years ago they used to do political polling with large sampling sizes of tens of thousands and the numbers had a huge margin or error.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Leno screwed George Lopez!!

    by Titus05

    Conan is a backstabber as well...he did to George Lopez what Leno did to him...where is the big uproar over that classless move?...Conan wanted the 11:00 timeslot so he forced TBS to move Lopez to midnight...what an asshole

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Gauging ratings via the internet would make more sense

    by terry1978

    But I guess like mentioned there are way too many motherfuckers that watch tv online, so it would screw up the tally somewhow.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks Monkey

    by Red Diver

    I'm nowhere near a statistics major, that shit bored the hell out of me in college.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Why is Conan not on the CW?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Why did Time-Warner put him on basic cable instead of their broadcast network? Is it because of the CBS partnership? Affiliate clearance?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    re: Titus05

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I don't have a link; but the report, on that has been that George Lopez wanted Conan ,to come to TBS. The report, also, states that Lopez, also, liked the idea, of moving his show, to midnight; and that it was Lopez who went to TBS and suggested they pursue Conan, in the first place. No need to start fights that don't really exist.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by NotARegular

    Leno took back his old time slot without even bothering to reach out to Conan and seeing if he was okay with it. Conan wasn't and hence the debacle. Meanwhile, TBS approached Conan AFTER George's approval. Conan, making it clear he didn't want anyone to endure the same shabby treatment he got at NBC, turns down TBS offer... until George Lopez contacted him directly and told him to take it since he saw it as mutually beneficial. See the difference?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Why not CW?

    by Sonny_Williams

    Just a guess, but I'm betting that TBS is on more cable lineups than the CW since the CW is carried by local affiliates, and lots of towns don't have a local CW outlet. And even if they do, cable companies don't have to offer it since the "must-carry" rule for local broadcast stations went away.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    do people really think this will get cancelled?

    by Timahh

    it's gonna get equal numbers to his original show, and as a result it will be a bonanza for basic cable.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte/NotARegular

    by Titus05

    you guys don't really believe that Lopez was 'OK' with Conan taking over his timeslot do you?...gimme a break...in that case I'm sure Conan was also happy to move to midnight and have Leno back at 11:30...I'm sure Lopez was OK with Conan moving to TBS but no way did he volunteer to move from his prime 11:00 timeslot to midnight...why didn't Conan move his show to midnight behind Lopez?...because he knew that the 11:00 timeslot was what he wanted and where the ratings were better...Lopez got screwed by TBS and Conan...he was probably told to move or his show would get cancelled...Conan is no better then Leno in this regard

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    re: Titus05

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I'm not going to try and dissaude you, from your position, since you seem steadfast, in your conviction, that Conan went to TBS, to screw George Lopez.<p> The fact, of the matter is, Lopez really did reach out, to Conan; and he really did agree to move his show, to midnight. That's the way it went. If you really feel that Conan sought out a way, to screw Lopez, in the process of getting a new show, then I'd guess you'll be boycotting Conan. That's your choice, there are plenty of other shows on, from eleven to midnight.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by Titus05

    so Lopez volunteered to move to midnight and get lower ratings all to help Conan become a success?...what a generous guy

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    re: Titus05

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Alright, we get it. You hate Conan. He screwed George Lopez. He is the anti-Christ. He is very sorry. We are very sorry.<p> Don't forget to tune in to an all-new George Lopez show! Tonight at midnight, on TBS!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by DanielPlainviewOnVacationInBoston

    Lopez had his best ratings of the year last night, you ignorant fuck. That's why it was mutually beneficial. Lopez himself is on record as being the biggest person campaigning to bring Conan in because his own show was doing so poorly. You have absolutely no mother fucking clue what the hell you're talking about. Shut your ignorant trap.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by NotARegular

    Yes, I do believe it because A.) George wouldn't have tried to sell Conan on the idea if it really bugged him. He would have just watched from the sidelines instead of aggressively pushing for Conan to take his timeslot. And B.) Conan's show before George Lopez is a smart move FOR Lopez. Lopez has a limited demographic but Conan carries a fanbase that has grown over 17-something years. A strong lead-in with a strong audience trickles down to him. It's smart business. And considering the Lopez timeslot isn't as cherished as The Tonight Show/Johnny Carson timeslot, it's really not a holy grail he's giving up here if it means potential better ratings for him in the long run. Conan and his manager, Gavin Polone, were also very adamant in not wanting to screw someone over the same way Conan was. Read about it in the deadline article about how the negotiations went down. And even if for some reason you still choose not to believe it for whatever reason, Conan still talked and got George's approval before he went ahead with the deal. That is a fact and, sincere approval or not, he got it. Leno didn't even bother to reach out to Conan and went through the execs to get his show back. Conan = classy. Leno = not classy.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    all these shows are terrible, really they are not very good

    by korkie70

    if you want to see great interviews, fun stuff and music, watch George strombo on the CBC. now thats my sort of entertainment, check his inteview with edgar wright http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/videos.html?ID=1636785743

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    heres another from lopaz on cnn

    by deadpool2449

    lopez tells the story http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=B8mterMol_Q talk the space out of course

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    havent we moved into technology enough

    by TheJudger

    that theres an easy way to tell without a system who's watching what? Why the need for boxes in homes where people know what they watch is being monitored. Surely most of the cable viewers viewing history is trackable

  • did you know George Lopez had a late night talkshow? I certainly didn't. And I'd guess the majority of people hearing that then were hearing it for the first time. Lopez's show, thanks to Conan, has gotten a ton of free publicity.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    George Strombopopadopalis

    by smackfu

    is quite possibly the most bland, boring human being on television, and he looks like a street junkie. His show is good to watch if you really like his guest and want to delve very deeply into the trivia of that person's life. But entertainment? That's like saying 'if you really want to be entertained, tune into CBC radio!'.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Re: DanielPlainviewOnVacationInBosto n

    by Titus05

    you don't judge a show's success by its opening night premiere...of course Lopez got his biggest ratings and the reason for that is because a much larger audience was tuned in to watch Conan...I'm sure Chevy Chase got HUGE opening night ratings as well...the hype will die down quick and then let's see what Lopez's ratings are...oh and don't underestimate another reason for Lopez's ratings last night- Janet fuckin Jackson...she almost never gives interviews so she was a big time get for Lopez which contributed to more people watching him...oh and why is a guy whos show has been cancelled twice considered a 'strong lead-in' lol?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    I liked the "last season on conan" bit

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Pretty funny, overall the show was nothing extravagent, but he obviously doesn't want to blow his load in the first ep. But i think it's safe to say that late night has a new king

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by korkie70

    i do tune in to CBC radio - Jian Ghomesh, the current, the morning edition with shelia coles, DNTO with sook lin lee and the rest. good listening. thats right.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    WTF

    by Harry Weinstein

    "is quite possibly the most bland, boring human being on television, and he looks like a street junkie." DOES NOT COMPUTE

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I listen to CBC radio also

    by smackfu

    when I want to listen to stimulating discussion and good music. My point being, you're comparing apples to oranges. George's show isn't about entertainment, it's about intellectual stimulation. You're comparing quiet, thoughtful discussion to monologues, absurdist humor and bears slapping their testicles.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Conan

    by MegaBeth

    I don't watch Lettermen or Leno. I find those type of shows boring. But out of curiousity I did watch Conan this week, and it was entertaining.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Is that moon thing, like, greenscreen or something? Something about it (particularly the reflection in the water) seems digital.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    What is CBC?

    by MegaBeth

    Is that something to do with Canada? Never heard of it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by smackfu

    Give it up man, saying something doesn't make it so. The truth of the matter is, you just have a negative obsession with Conan O'Brien, you aren't thinking or acting rationally. Here's what I mean by that: Personally, I don't like George Lopez's show, or George Lopez. I demonstrate this, by simply not watching it, because it does not interest me in the slightest. You know what you WON'T FIND? Instances of me showing up in George Lopez threads ranting and raving about him over the course of a dozen posts, trying to knock him down, etc. Because that is what rational people do when they don't like something. They simply dismiss it. They don't fixate on how much they don't like it, and go around telling everyone how much they don't like it, and they don't go on bizarre obsessive tangents in forums about it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Big. Fucking. Deal.

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Coco had 4.2 Million and Leno had 3.5 Million. The "all important demo" is good for slightly better advertising revenue...and little more. <p>Besides, Herc, do you shit more easily now that the bearded, nearly 50 year-old with a receding red hairline has rammed his cock up your tight ass so often? I'm guessing your interviews with Conan go something like this: </p> <p>"Say my name, Hercules. Say my name!" </p> "Ohhhhh Coco! Give it to me one more time! Coco Triumph, shoot it at me again!"

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    MegaBeth

    by lock67ca

    CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the Government run Television and Radio network. Like the BBC in the UK. Many Canadians have never heard of it either. Lol!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    In six months, Conan's audience will shrink...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...like his hairline. That is why he is compensating with the beard. <p> I predict that Conan will average 1.8 Million by May 2011. </p>

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Karma is a

    by Riff_Randell

    bitter, angry bitch. GO Coco. Hope Letterman retires soon so Craig can take over. I said it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Whoa, what - how do they still have the rights to the closing credits song? Awesome! It looks like that was the *true* Conan theme all along!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Conan FTW!

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Didn't see Conan's first. Heard it wasn't so good.

    by SnootyBoots

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    lopez sucks

    by Sicuv Uyall

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm, you sound pretty angry

    by smackfu

    I can't help but notice that all (3 of you?) Conan haters on this site are very angry, bitter, people. And Republicans lol. But that's kind of redundant.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Conan's monologue has always been weak

    by Teddy Artery

    He should dump that part of the show, quit trying to be Johnny Carson, FFS, and focus on the stuff he's good at.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    CBC is the Chancellor Broadcasting Co., Inc.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Former broadcasters of the Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell radio program. <p>Conan needs to get Richard C. Hoagland on his show NOW!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    1st show ratings mean nothing

    by resinrats

    We all knew he'd win the night for the first show. He'll probably win for a few nights. Does that mean he'll keep those numbers. Hell no. Lets check his ratings in 2-3 weeks when "Conan's back" feelings are gone. Then we'll know if he is the king. Its a safe bet Letterman and Leno will be back on top.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Doesn't this also mean that O'Brien beat Letterman?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Jerc's bias is way teh funny.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    resinrats

    by hst666

    Really? You knew he would win for the first show? I am a big Conan fan and I did not expect that.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The great hero of middle america Jay Leno failed at 9PM

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    The only reason he was able to horn is way back in to late night is because he had better lawyers than mister Ivy League elite Conan. He should bring that up then next time he has Sarah Palin on the Tonight Show. <p>Conan had a successful 20 year career in television (SNL=>Simpsons=>Late Night=>Tonight Show) before Jay started flinging his shit around AGAIN.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    smackfu...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I don't hate Conan. He is much funnier than Letterman. His humor is definitely appealing to some people. <p>I just don't get the HATE for Leno by Conan lovers. </p> Leno didn't have anything to do with Conan's promotion to THE TONIGHT SHOW. He didn't have anything to do with Conan's firing from THE TONIGHT SHOW. This was all NBC's fault...and no one else's.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Jay Leno is such an Ass

    by Rob2030

    http://www.showbizspy.com/article/212431/jay-leno-changes-tire-for-conan-obrien-production-assistant-report.html

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    10 PM Eastern & Pacific

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Check local listings

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The numbers aren't great but...

    by moviemenace

    that is a pretty big number for basic cable. I seriously didn't know what channel TBS was on until last night (I almost missed Conan cus I accidently put my TV on TNT instead). I really enjoyed the show, but I hope Conan tinkers with the talk show format in the coming weeks - shuffling bits, bringing out guests sooner - cus why not. The format is tired, he's off a major network. Hopefully TBS will be more excepting of experimentation, and O'Brien's creative team will be more open to it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    ratings drop for Episode #2- 25%

    by Titus05

    I hope Herc starts a new thread tomorrow detailing how much of a ratings drop Conan suffered on night 2...Herc needs to be fair and balanced...Jersey Shore will probably beat Conan in January

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    It's True, Conan Fans Rarely Watch Conan

    by Dapper Swindler

    That's because they are smart people with better things to do at 10:30 pm than watch a talk show. Only people too stupid to appreciate Conan watch late night talk shows all the time. <p> And so you have now heard the most succinct explanation for why Conan's Tonight Show failed.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Conan will never beat Jay

    by Dapper Swindler

    Because the majority of people are idiots who like stupid shit. Quality entertainment has no place among the masses. Hasn't this movie site taught you guys that already?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Conan's monologues aren't very good

    by Dapper Swindler

    Because Conan doesn't write them. Conan's improvised jokes are funnier than the monologues his team of writers can come up with. That's how awesome Conan is. If only he worked harder to better use his talent. I get the impression he just sort of shows up and does the show and rarely puts much of it together himself.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Re: Why not CW -

    by jimbojones123

    Local stations have WAY too much invested in syndicated programming. Both on a $$ level over years and years of contracts and expectations from viewers that they would air specific shows on their stations. Many Americans watch much more syndicated reruns over first run TV. The entire Tribune network of stations would put a giant NO stamp on the contract long before it ever got whispers of happening.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Lopez got low ratings...

    by Mr. Profit

    So he knew "Lopez Tonight" would have done better following "Conan" and last night it was the highest rated episode ever. He joked with Chris Rock who told him he moved for a white man, and Lopez said that it was a Latino's dream to go to work an hour late. There's no animosity. TBS is a great place behind the scenes for talent. They treat their talent well.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Did I miss a memo?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    When did the local affiliate revolt over Jay Leno's spectacular prime-time failure morph into a Conan O'Brien failure? Leno nearly killed the entire network to feed his ego!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    The CW...

    by Mr. Profit

    Most CW Affiliates are owned by Tribune, and Tribune gets high ratings with "Two and a Half Men" reruns (Which is the highest rated comedy in Syndication). They are not going to risk their revenues with a nationally fed late night show when they have tried to launch shows in the past (including a Jon Stewart talk show) and they all failed.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Again, Herc, you're lying/misrepresenting the truth.

    by Coughlins Laws

    Leno beat Letterman in overall viewers. Leno makes more money for NBC than Letterman does for CBS. Just calm down and wait two months. Let's see who's on top of the ratings in February during the next sweeps period, after Conan's Honeymoon is over...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Lopez got high ratings because of

    by Titus05

    people are not robots...they don't just stay tuned to the exact same channel AFTER their program has ended...they change the channel to something else they want to watch or turn the TV off...if a program gets high ratings it is because people want to watch it and has nothing to do with the show that preceded it

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Herc didn't lie

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    He summarized another site's content and provided a link to more info. It doesn't surprise me that a Leno partisan would be too illiterate (computer or otherwise) to follow a link to more information.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it

    by _Venkman

    I'm glad to have me some Conan in my life again. Put a smile on my face

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    why Lopez would want Conan as a lead-in

    by professorjack

    Lopez is a new guy starting out as a talk show host. To have a hugely popular talk show host with a young demographic is a great opportunity for him to increase his audience & popularity. The people that watch Conan may stick around for Lopez and they both win. Its so much better than Lopez trying to build an audience following a repeat of Family Guy or the Office, dont you think? People who say Conan screwed over Lopez the same way are just so ignorant

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    If I have one note for Conan, its this

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    more 1864 baseball, driving desk, random David Copperfield impersonators & the like and LESS CREEPY FEMALE GUEST ISSUES. You're a married man in your mid-40s for god's sake.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by smackfu

    I'm not sure if you've noticed or not, but generally speaking people under the age of 50 have been talking smack about Leno for the past 2 decades, on the account of his obvious, generic 'humor', so lame it's almost insulting to listen to. It's not like everyone used to love him and just suddenly stopped because of the Conan fiasco. They just have a newer reason to dislike him, is all. And if you can't comprehend why people would consider him passing the reigns off to his successor, then taking them back 6 months later, you obviously have a damaged moral centre, so nothing I can say would ever convince you. Can you point out any other spot in talk show history, where that happened? The main point being, if the guy had any class or sense of decency, when approached by NBC and asked if he wanted to usurp his successor, he would have said 'no way, that would be a pretty sleazy thing to do'. As pointed out by almost everyone else in the business, it's something they would never do. It was pretty low. And if you don't think it's a low thing to do, you simply don't know right from wrong.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    I stayed out of your little fight because you seemed (and continue to seem) like someone who has made up their mind about some little cionspiracy, and won't be dissuaded by even an Everest-sized mountain of facts. <p> but this one, you have to be kidding, right?<p> "if a program gets high ratings it is because people want to watch it and has nothing to do with the show that preceded it" <p> of course it's not ONLY because of the show that preceded it, but it ABSOLUTELY affects the ratings. just logically, if more people are tuned to a station, watching a show, they're more likely to watch whatever comes on one minute later. and beyond that, people are likely to associated shows in a block (Stewart and Colbert is a good example), especially on basic cable where styles are going to be more similar.<p>there are dozens of shows who got HUGE boosts because of their lead-ins. (Shatner my Dad Says is currently still on the air ONLY because it comes after the runaway hit, Big Bang Theory)<p> and finally, if you really believe the quote I just listed, that means you have to also HONESTLY BELIEVE that Lopez just got his best numbers ever on the night Conan's show premiered right before it AND THAT IS A COMPLETE COINCIDENCE. if you stand by that statement, then that must also be true. so do you believe that? or do you want to retract your quote about lead-in shows?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    lead-ins do have an effect yes...but as you stated it is maybe for the first few minutes of the next show...people will not watch the ENTIRE episode unless they really enjoy the show...people must be total sheep to just blindly watch a show in its entirety just because they enjoyed the previous show...it should have nothing to do with it...unfortunately it happens but I want to give the human race more credit then that...plus if that were the case then how come it doesn't apply evenly across all networks and shows?...why does House on FOX get excellent ratings but the show that follows it get half the number of viewers?...the same can be said for any show...if people just left the TV on the same channel then 1 network would consistently win each day...it's obvious people do tune it and tune out based on what they enjoy watching over what show follws their favorite shows

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    and keep the rating thing in perspective

    by BadMrWonka

    network vs. basic cable is a HUGE component of this. the economics of the business are much different. Conan wouldn't (in theory) have to beat LEtterman OR Leno consistently to actually be bringing in MORE money. especially as a return on investment (since he's making so much less than Leno or Letterman). <p> Bill Gorman, who analyzes this stuff for a living, said this in an interview:<p> --Gorman explained that a "1.0 rating" for the coveted age group of adults 18 to 49 translates to about 1.3 million viewers. For the week ending October 29, CBS's "Late Show with David Letterman" bested NBC's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" with a 1.0 rating versus a 0.9 rating respectively, marking the first time Letterman had beaten Leno in that demo since the latter's return to "The Tonight Show." <br> "If [O'Brien] averages a 1.0 rating that's huge, pop the cork time at TBS" Gorman said. "My guess is TBS would be happy with a 0.9, they would be happy with 0.7.--<p> Conan got a 2.5 rating his first night. Even if his numbers drop (which of course they're bound to do) he will still be in the range of enormously profitable and popular.<p>This is a huge success, and if you don't want to admit that because you hate Conan, or you have to hate whatever a lot of people like, or you hate hipsters who like Conan, or blah blah blah...that's fine...but the numbers don't bear out your assertions. This was a huge success, and even at HALF these numbers, it will still be a huge success. Period.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    No one ever got rich assuming people were not sheep. I'm not saying that a bad show will be a huge success just due to its lead-in, but it is a factor in getting people to watch the first few minutes, and that makes it thousands of times more likely that they'll watch the whole thing.<p> And if the argument is "Lopez has a great show, maybe Conan's lead-in gets people to the channel, gets them there at the right time, and so they're more likely to see his show and like it. The lead-in only works if the show following is good." well, OK, I'll accept that. but doesn't that make it LESS likely that your conspiracy theory about Lopez being angry about the move is correct? why WOULDN'T he want Conan as a lead-in? it can only help his show.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG???

    by J-Dizzle

    I love Conan, loved last night's premier show, and was as pissed as anyone that he was unjustifiably booted off The Tonight Show.<br /> <br /> BUT, its time to get over it. Leno has the Tonight Show back, Conan has his own show where he can play by his rules AND he's the King of Late Night! Everybody wins!<br /> <br /> Its time to put aside all the hate, pick up our remotes and tune in to our favorite late night hosts (whoever they may be).<br /> <br /> Mine are Conan and Ferguson. I don't watch the others, but I don't hate them either. What's done is done.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    deadpool2449's link seals the deal...

    by NotARegular

    On top of all the additional information you can easily look up yourself, if you're still pushing that Lopez somehow got screwed or there's some bad blood between the two TBS hosts, you're either ignorant, trolling or just have some sort of agenda against O'Brien. Take your pick but no point in trying to push that faux feud anymore as there is ZERO information out there that will support your argument. Common sense isn't even in your favor. Yeesh!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    Conan as a lead-in is all well and good but there's a HUGE difference between starting your show at 11:00 PM vs 12:00 AM...the average person is still up at 11:00 PM watching the news or whatever but at midnight that number probably drops in half if not more...to say that Lopez was excited to have Conan as a lead-in is way different then saying that Lopez happily moved his show to midnight...that is 100% BS...the people that are saying that they both are best friends and agreed to the move based on press releases and news reports are naive...the real truth is not always in a press release...of course Lopez does not want to end his show at 1:00 AM...he did it because he had no choice...Conan is no more of a saint then Leno yet people seem to support Conan over Jay

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    Besides your opinion, do you have ANY links, evidence, etc. to support what you're saying? Anything? Because the counter arguments to you have clips, links, interviews....I'm just saying.<p> If you think after what happened to Conan, he'd pull the same stunt a few months later on someone else, that's a bold statement. Conan has never done anything to indicate he doesn't have one of the strongest ethical standards on television. Look at the way he took care of his staff during strikes, and after they were all fired for Leno's show to come back. <p>no matter how you want to spin it to make your delusions a reality (this is what conspiracy theorists always do) Lopez' numbers will be better at 12, with Conan at 11, than they were for him by himself at 11. Period. So WHY WOULDN'T HE WANT MORE VIEWERS?<p>I need to stop arguing with nutsos online, it's so aggravating. you end up in these corners of idiotic logic where you're trying to explain something to one guy that is blatantly evident to 99.99% of the population. why can't I just let them be wrong? let them have their conspiracies? why, Wonka, why?!?!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    Conan's opening night ratings will not hold up so the normal ratings curve of shows beginning at 12:00 AM will start to take effect soon and Lopez's ratings will fall...BadWonka you need to stop believing everything you see on Entertainment Tonight and Extra...common sense is all it takes to see that this will not turn out good for Lopez...George Lopez is not a household name otherwise Conan's screwjob would have gotten more notice...until then keep believing in the tooth fairy, easter bunny and TBS press releases stating that Lopez was more then happy to move his show to midnight

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    If lead in's don't count, explain the Post-Superbowl Slot

    by Mr. Profit

    The slot which is used by networks to either premiere a new show, or give exposure to a show that could be a breakout... How come 90% of shows premiered in that slot get huge ratings? Your argument is flawed and you know it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by Titus05

    are you really using the highest rated televesion event of the year by far to make that point?...think about it

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Also, who really gives a shit?

    by Mr. Profit

    None of you fuckers will continue to watch Conan. Jay will be on for another 5 years. NBC will be fucked without a replacement. Letterman will also bow out. And these late shows will eventually die out. <p>It's obnoxious to read countless unfounded posts from non-industry people who claim to know of "bad blood". You don't work in TV. You're making shit up. Stop it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah I sure did...

    by Mr. Profit

    You said people don't watch shows after a high rated show. Many shows have high audience retention rates, and many people just sit their lazy asses there and don't change the channel. Will & Grace benefited from a Friends lead in for years. But when that show ended, their ratings dropped the next season. Many shows are protected in the timeslot after a high rated show. And some break out. How many post Two and a Half Men comedies survived outside of The Big Bang Theory?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Ego's have sufficated current late night shows

    by hegele

    all anyone cares about with these clowns are ratings.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST

    smackfu...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    "Generally speaking?" You mean "generally speaking" on AICN's coaxial section? Leno has had much higher ratings for two decades. Still, I don't like Letterman...but I am not going to publicly ridicule the man for two decades either.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    What is it with Repugs and Leno??

    by Billyeveryteen

    I am truly mystified.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    I have never watched Entertainment Tonight or Extra in my life. I am coming from a place of LOGIC, not irrational opinion, like you. <p>And we've all asked a few times, and you seem to ignore it, but I'll try again. can we get ONE PIECE Of evidence to support your theory? I'm going by what Conan has said, what Lopez himself has said (both in interviews, on his own show, and elsewhere), and you're going by...what? just your gut feeling?<p> and the boost in Lopez' numbers is not just a one time thing. his ratings at 12, following Conan will CONSISTENTLY be higher than his 11 ratings. that is UNDENIABLE if you look at the numbers for his show before, and even the most CRAZILY MODEST projections for his and Conan's numbers in the new arrangement. it's NOT ARGUABLE. <p> so I ask again...(and please, at least TRY to give an answer this time) WHY WOULD LOPEZ BE UNHAPPY ABOUT MOVING TO MIDNIGHT IF IT MEANS CONSISTENTLY MORE VIEWERS?<p> Here's a nice little quote from George Lopez about the move: "Lopez Tonight moving to midnight and Conan being on before, it's the best thing that could happen [...]it's a younger crowd, and more diverse, and it just takes it into the future." man, he sounds so angry! and again, I know you're going to claim that everyone is lying, and it's all a conspiracy, and Lopez is steaming mad and yada yada yada, and YET AGAIN, do you have ONE SHRED of evidence to support this, beyond your own conspiracy theory? why is there any reason to think that Lopez's move, which gets him more viewers, younger viewers, and most likely a more permanent position (being part of a block of shows, rather than just on his own) would make him upset?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by H20x

    You know what is the best part of your horrible ramblings. The fact that you said Conan has had shows cancelled twice, I didn't read another uninformed word after that. Please give me just one example of a show he's had cancelled.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Agreed, #1 reason it's beneficial to Lopez...

    by SK229

    is that it makes him part of a BLOCK of talk, the same as NBC or CBS, and it's highly unlikely he'll be canceled for a long-ass time now. It will also introduce him to a shit-ton of viewers that never would have watched him otherwise. Whether or not he keeps them is up to him and the taste of the people checking it out for the first time.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Why are the haters ragging on his hairline?

    by Bruce Thomas Wayne

    I hope I have that much hair when I'm almost 50. Hell, I bet some of the haters are balder than Conan. Get a fucking life please.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by Ribbons

    I'm,not saying you don't, have the right to, call anybody an idiot? But it's, a little hard to take what, you have, to say, seriously, when you write everything, like this?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by lock67ca

    Still has his lips firmly glued to Leno's ass. Always good for a laugh.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Hooray for meaningless numbers!

    by ballyhoo

    That we fans should be above discussing!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Yippy Ki-ay, Mister Falcon

    by ShabbyBlue

    So far tonight's episode is better than last night. They should have had Tom Hanks on the premiere episode.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Max Weinberg hated Conan

    by Titus05

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Memo to CoCo's Audio Guy...

    by Cheif Brody

    2nd night in a row, you had the mix wrong on the musical guest. <p> Last nite...you had the vocals of Jack White at the same volume as the guitars. Same thing tonight with SoundGarden. <p> Vocals need to be 5%-10% higher than the rest of the band. <p> Last nite, I didn't understand one lyric Jack was warbling...tonight, Chris Cornell needed a bullhorn to be heard over the band....and that dude has serious PIPES! <p> Great second show...but get that audio guy with the program. <p> Am I drunk on this?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Tonight's episode better than the first

    by American Mythos

    Hanks and McBrayer were far more interesting and funny than Rogen and the cute glee chick. But I still say get rid of the second guest and make it a skit, or have a second celebrity guest on just to participate in the skit, but no second interview. Tonight Conan seemed more relaxed and natural. I don't think we should stress too much over ratings. They're bound to drop, most likely even below Jay's, in overall viewers anyway. The point of the TBS move was for Conan and his crew not to have to worry about competing night in and night out and just to do their thing.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    why do you keep quoting stupid press releases and comments from TBS, Conan and Lopez for?...I've told you countless times already they are MEANINGLESS...it's just a PR agency typing up some stupid press release and does not mean a thing...hell Conan and Leno said the same things about each other when they were at NBC...do you believe that too?...get your head out of your ass

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Watch Bon Jovi on Letterman tonite...

    by Cheif Brody

    to see how it's done properly.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    what are you talking about, I was quoting GEORGE LOPEZ HIMSELF from an interview.<p> here's another interview with him:<p> http://tinyurl.com/2augylt <p>press release? what are you TALKING about?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by palooka_boy

    Not to beat a dead horse, but do your research numbnuts <br><br> http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/how-the-conan-obrien-tbs-deal-happened/?src=busln

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    dude stop posting quotes, interviews etc...don't you get it?...they are saying those things to keep up the pretense that everything is fine so as to not make this into Conan vs Leno II...they are taking the high road by telling the media that everything is fine...you need to read the book The Late Shift or other behind the scenes looks at what really goes on in Hollywood...you can't be this naive...we've seen this before with Carson leaving and Leno and Letterman both wanting to take over for him...and most recently with Leno re-taking the Tonight Show...nobody likes giving up their timeslot or show and giving it to someone else...if Lopez loved the midnight slot so much then why didn't he take it when he first started his show on TBS?...also his ratings were obviously good enough for TBS before Conan arrived as his show is now in its second season

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    so what you're saying is that you're right because you're right. wht everyone involved has said is meaningless, and therefore there is no way to disprove your zany theories.<p>seriously, kiddo. that is EXACTLY what conspiracy theory wackos do...<p> and please, I'll ask for the tenth time...if George Lopez audience is going to increase, (which it is, without question) then why should he be upset.<p>please, PLEASE try to actually answer that question for ONCE.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    so any success Lopez Tonight gets is due solely to Conan preceding him?...do you now see where this might be an issue?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    I give up. you are unable to answer simple questions, and you've set your nutty theory up so that no matter how much evidence there is against it, you will still claim to be right. that is what conspiracy theory nuts and children do. <p>I give up. you are a moron. Lopez is not one to shut up if he was upset. he's excited, period. if you can't see that, you're a complete moron, and I feel sorry for you. but I'm not wasting any more time trying to convince you. you're too stupid to believe. conspiracy theory wackos are all the same.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    talk show host George Lopez was allegedly told he’d be fired from TBS if he didn’t welcome the network’s latest signing, Conan O’Brien, with open arms...Sources have told New York Post gossip column Page Six that Lopez’s delight at O’Brien’s arrival is an act...“George was initially opposed to the idea of moving his time slot to make room for Conan on TBS,” said one insider...“He was told that if he wasn’t supportive, his show would not be renewed...The Lopez camp is even more disheartened by the fact that Conan’s contract states that if Lopez’s show is canceled, then Conan will be able to develop a show for the midnight hour, as well . . . it’s in Conan’s best interest for Lopez’s show to fail.”

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    The musical guest audio does need work.

    by JuanSanchez

    I was a little pissed about that - especially with Soundgarden.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    a yes, gossip mags. the final resting spot of truth.<p> seriously man, you are delusional.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:49 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Titus05

    you're in denial Wonka...I finally give you the 'evidence' you have been clamoring for and not surprisingly you choose to dismiss it...keep believing your rose colored glasses scenario

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Titus05

    by BadMrWonka

    I'll go by George Lopez's word, Conan's word, their own interviews, and their reputations as being ethical and fair guys in the entertainment world.<p>you can go by one refuted gossip piece with unnamed sources from the fucking new york post. <p>if that sounds logical to you, go right ahead. the world needs gas station attendants, too.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I like watching puppets and stuffed animals late night

    by EmmaWatsonsWeirdAss

    I turned on Letterman on Monday with Harrison Ford. Two men approaching the end of their lives. Then I tuned into Conan there was a guy in a bear suit (a furry perhaps?) dancing around. The first guest was "Seth Rogen". How do people watch this shit?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Sithdan

    by Epsilon

    Do you whine about Osama Bin Laden being vilified in the media too? Because he and Leno are equally evil. So maybe you need to just shut the fuck up.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Conan's headed back to form; War's over people.

    by ToMonicker

    I don't give a shit about Leno-Letterman-Conan trifecta combat anymore. <p> Sure, I'm gonna fast forward through boring guests, just like I do with anyone else. That's a given. <p> Seriously, I think this whole adventure has been good for Conan. This show feels like it's steering towards where Conan needs to be. <p> Yes, some of it seems re-treaded too. *Note to Conan Staff Writers* Really, you guys thought referencing Sir Mix A Lot as hip? I'd expect that from Letterman's camp. <p> P.S.~ damn, that song from Soundgarden sucked.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 5:43 a.m. CST

    when it comes to us chatshows...

    by emeraldboy

    I am outsider as i dont watch any of these people. we get leno on msnbc. and that is all. the funny bits on these shows are always at the start. then you turn off when the interview starts. conan and leno were and are terrible interviwers. conan would laugh his fake laugh and leno would do the same. letterman can be a mean spitited old bastard. not long after ellen barkins divorce from gabriel byrne, he had byrne on and byrne looked like he was interrogated and it was none of lettermans business. but letterman does not exist beyond his chatshow. he is utterly invisible

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 5:50 a.m. CST

    actually..

    by emeraldboy

    i think letterman had gabriel on around the time that barkin got married to the owner of the revelon company. and dave wanted to know what byrne.thought. bastard

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Much improved...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Conan was way better, more relaxed.<p>Yeah, kill the 2nd interview, go for a skit.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    stuff

    by SSquirrel

    emeraldboy>Here in America, if you're a celebrity, people are gonna talk about your shit regardless. If he got divorced and his wife was remarrying and he was worried it would come up, he has 2 options: 1) don't do the show, 2) ask Dave to not bring it up and hope. ToMonicker>I was fine with the song itself, but 2 nights in a row the vocals are buried. Who is his sound guy? Epsilon>Did you really just equate Osama Bin Laden, the guy behind the destruction of the Twin Towers with Jay Leno, a talk show host who fucked over Letterman and Conan? You're a fucking moron

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    NBC sucks

    by optimus122

    Leno is just horrible, seriously. Why in the world would they take him over Conan. Its beyond me.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Left unsaid

    by The McPoyle Clan

    NBC's Monday lineup is still eroding, and this week, it couldn't be blamed on Chuck.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    "Jersey Shore will probably beat Conan in January"

    by jim

    So? Forget about stuff on cable, Jersey Shore gets higher ratings than half of what's on network TV.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Night 2 of Conan: significant ratings drop

    by Titus05

    since Herc won't start a new thread about this I have to do the job...early ratings for the second episode of “Conan” dipped, a day after O’Brien’s TBS debut topped all late-night shows, including Jay Leno...Tuesday’s show posted a 2.1 rating- falling below “The Late Show With David Letterman” (which did a 3.0) and Leno’s “Tonight Show” (2.5)- meaning Coco was king for just a day...It amounts to a 28 percent drop from the "Conan" debut...much bigger drop then I predicted (25%) and not a good sign

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Titus05, what were TBS's 11PM ratings last week?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    LOL 20-year veteran Leno's network ratings were .4 points above a brand new basic cable show.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Margot_Tenenbaum

    by Titus05

    so you're saying .4 doesn't matter?...lol...tell that to shows that got cancelled for getting a 2.0 rating...also you do realize that a 28% drop for Night 2 means that those viewers who tuned in for Night 1 were so disappointed in the show that they had no interest in watching it again...how much of a drop for Night 3 lol?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Hey Titus...

    by DrBrianOblivion

    ...congratulations... you're officially the biggest dork ever...

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    titus

    by SSquirrel

    since when is 28% "much bigger" than 25%? 3% difference is still within statistical margin for error.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    No TBS on COMCAST in ATL ?

    by deelzbub

    Just realized this last nite whilst looking for Conan. I mistakenly thought that Peachtree TV was a pseudonym or something. Recently downgraded my cable service to super-basic, and now no more TBS, I guess. Which is pretty stupid, b/c I still have WGN-Chicago.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    SSquirrel

    by Titus05

    yes I noticed that typing error...can't edit post here unlike 99% of other forums so we all have to live with our typos

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Titus05...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Tuesday's ratings: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/11/10/tv-ratings-tuesday-glee-ncis-ncisla-detroit-187-fall-no-ordinary-family-parenthood-raising-hope-rise/71519 <p>If this is a trend, it doesn't look good for Coco. </p>

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Titus05

    yup the 18-49 demo shows even worse ratings for Conan...the adults 18-49 viewership works out to be a 1.6 adults 18-49 rating, down 36% from his premiere’s 2.5 rating

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by Wade Wilson

    As an objective and casual observer of this talkback, you come off as a sad, bitter troll. Why do you care so much if Conan fails? Seriously, what is the obsession? What do you gain from it? Not only is your argument flawed and completely devoid of any hard evidence to back it up, it's also just petty. You posted pretty much nonstop from 2pm to 9pm last night. Then again from 9pm to 11pm. You came back on before noon today, presumably to start another full day of trolling. Is this what you do all day? Do you have a job? A family? Is not, is that why you're so angry? Why aren't you spending time doing something productive? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Conan's ratings are fine...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Seriously, they're probably way higher than TBS has EVER had in that time slot. The hardcore fans will watch, along with some new fans, and all will be well with the world because Conan is back!

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    joke of the day

    by Titus05

    Question: Why is it good to date a homeless man?...Answer: because when you're finished, you can drop him off anywhere...Ha lol...Oprah thought that joke was funny

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Conan's start vs George's start

    by SSquirrel

    http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/16/lopez-tonight-scores-big-first-week-ratings/33705 "In its first week on TBS, the high-energy late-night series LOPEZ TONIGHT averaged more than 1.6 million viewers and outdelivered the competition among highly coveted young adults."

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    It's kind of shocking that Conan's ratings are this low so

    by Coughlins Laws

    quickly. I was just reading what AP said his ratings for his second night and they said he still had "robust" ratings. Really? 2.8 million viewers for his second show is "robust"? I actually kind of feel bad for him. He did have 9 months to come up with funny shit, though. His first show was WAYYY too unfunny. He had funnier stuff on his Twitter and that 24 hour cam in the hallway...

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Ratings...ratings...rantings & SSquirrel

    by ToMonicker

    SSquirrel, back in the nascent days of Grunge, I was a minor Soundgarden fan but as years have gone by I became allergic to Chris Cornnell's vocal style- I don't know why, I just don't dig him. But frankly, yeah, his vocals were turned way down, as seemed his guitar as well. The online only song was only a little better, perhaps there is an acoustical-engineering quandry. I assume they had a soundcheck, so perhaps it sounded fine to the band live, but did not translate through to us. <p> Screw the ratings. I watch almost entirely everything online or time-shifted and it's on freaking TBS! I didn't even know if I had it on our cable provider.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Wade_WiIson...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I think that your question would best be asked to anti-Leno folks. Their rampant hatred for him is just...amazing. So what if they don't think that he is funny! Does it mean that they should mock, ridicule and hope for his failure? Geez.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Why do you nerds car about ratings?

    by andrew coleman

    First off they mean nothing. Who cares what a bunch of losers with Nielson boxes watch? I see these numbers and I triple them in my mind. These "ratings" prove nothing. I hate that studios cancel shows because of them. Some "low rated" shows are some of the most talked about. So I don't care if they claim Conan had one viewer. Also does TBS care about Conan's ratings really? What else would they be showing then? Family Guy reruns? Who cares? Some of you come on here with all these ratings numbers and saying stupid shit like "Looks like Conan is in trouble"... Really? He's rich as fuck and not some computer troll like you. So I'd say he's alright. It's you fucking losers looking up bull shit numbers to hate on people you're jealous on are the one's in trouble. Get a life before your life bar runs out and you realize you spent so much of your time caring about numbers that aren't real.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Wade Wilson

    I'm not asking anti-Leno folks. I'm asking Titus05, who has conveniently chosen to ignore my post. Titus05, my questions were legitimate and directed specifically at your behavior. Your level of obsession and the ridiculous amount of time you have/waste here truly baffles me.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Wade_WiIson...I understand...but...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...don't you think that it is funny to ask this to one of the few non-Conan guys here?<p> For over a year, the vast majority of anti-Leno guys (mostly pro-Conan) were going ballistic with their posts -- with all sort of ridicule that you now are calling out Titus05 for. </p>

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Wade_WiIson

    by Titus05

    was there a serious question in your post?...let me go back and re-read it...nope, didn't see anything worth replying too...I've given out some hard facts and ratings facts thus far...fair and balanced reporting

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by Wade Wilson

    How were my questions not serious? I'm very curious to know the answers because I'm truly bewildered. You have given more of your OPINION than facts. Your post of Conan's ratings dropping last night seemed like gloating to me. However, that was not the topic of my questions. I don't care what you are anyone else's opinion of Conan's show is. I'm more interested in WHY you care so much either way. Let me paraphrase my questions for you: Why do you care so much if Conan fails/succeeds? You posted in this talkback for 9 HOURS yesterday. That's an entire workday! Do you have a job or family? If not, why not go get one or the other? These are serious questions. I don't get how someone can have so much time on their hands and can waste that time posting here about an inane and irrelevant topic. What's your story?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Wade_WiIson

    by Titus05

    what you interpret as gloating I call official Nielsen ratings...no disputing the facts...I also called out Conan for doing to Lopez what Leno did to Conan...you do realize that posting during a 9 hour period is different then posting for 9 hours?...least I hope you know the difference...count out my total posts during that time period and get back to me...you have already memorized all my time stamps on my posts so I'm sure this assignment will be easier for you...as ccchhhrrriiisssm stated, the hipocracy of Leno bashers is amazing...Herc only posts stories about Conan that paint him as a comedy God...I don't care if Conan fails or succeeds...I'm just stating the facts

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    one more thing...

    by Titus05

    I posted before Conan's 2nd show that his ratings would drop by 25%...they dropped anywhere from 28-36% based on the demo...I think I've been more right then wrong here

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by Wade Wilson

    Well, you responded to every post directed at you within minutes, which leads me to think that you are by your computer at all times and thus able to immediately see these posts directed at you. Am I wrong to assume this? So tell me, what other important tasks were you performing during these 9 hours? Since you dodged the questions, does this mean you have no job or family? I am not a Leno basher or a Conan supporter, just an objective third party. And for someone who doesn't care of Conan fails or succeeds, you certainly spend a lot of time in this talkbalk spewing negative "facts" about Conan O'Brien and the status of his new show. Don't you think?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Wade

    by Titus05

    should I space out my responses to give the illusion that I'm really busy?

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Here's where your Dogs are at Conan

    by Smack_Teddy

    is what i meant...except i torrented this.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by Wade Wilson

    So you admit you're not busy and you avoid the question. The answers must be painful. I was genuinely curious but it seems the obvious answer is usually the correct one. You're jobless, friendless, and have no significant other. That explains the bitterness. I was hoping there was more to it than that. Oh well.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Wade_WiIson...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Easy there, buddy. It is almost hilarious that you have been demanding to know why Titus is lurking in this thread. Some of us actually have jobs with computers in front of us. During our breaks (usually 5 minutes each hour), we make return visits to websites like this. <p>So what? </p> <p>You are accusing Titus of being "jobless, friendless and having no significant other" -- over something as INSIGNIFICANT as "Leno v. Conan." </p> <p>Conan is funny. Leno is funny. If someone is going to tell me otherwise, it is because they are a moron who thinks that everyone else MUST see the world as they do.</p><p> Last night, more people watched Leno and Letterman than Conan. So what? They each attract their own particular audience. It isn't anything to create a radical religion for! It isn't anything to get your underwear tied up in knots about! It is just a late night TALK SHOW...and nothing more. </p> Those people who are so radically obsessed with worshiping "Coco" and ridiculing "Leno" (or vice versa) really need some direction in their lives.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by Wade Wilson

    If Titus05 had been posting in a 5 minute window every hour, then you might have a point. As it is though, that's not a reasonable explanation. I wasn't putting down those who post here a lot, just singling out Titus05 for the frequency of his posts over a 9 hour period. And I didn't call him "jobless, friendless, and having no significant other" because of "Leno v. Conan." It was because he didn't answer otherwise, which is pretty revealing in itself. Other than that, you have agreed with what I've been saying. Who cares if someone like Leno and/or Conan? It's just a tv show. That's why it fascinates me that Titus05 obviously cares so much. The best part is that he's intentionally not posting in this talkbalk to give the illusion that he's not at his computer reading these words at this very moment. I love it.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Quick Question

    by Wade Wilson

    I don't post here much so can someone tell me how to insert a space in between paragraphs? The good 'ol 'Enter' key isn't working out for me.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Hi Wade...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I think that Titus05 is just pointing out that most visitors to this website (especially "Hercules," the Coaxial blogger for AICN) almost HOPE for Leno to fail. Then, they turn around and offer all sorts of adoration to Conan. <p>It just doesn't make sense to me...because it is just a talk show.</p> <p>I suppose that Titus05 might just be upset at the notion of many of the TBers since about 2002 who have turned this website into a highly partisan hate fest. It is like painting anyone with an opposing political thought as "evil" or "stupid." It is silly...but it happens all of the time. </p> <p>I guess that it started here circa 2002-2003 when some 30+ year old men started whining about George Lucas "raping" their childhood (with the prequels) or that George Bush was some sort of diabolical genius idiot who fabricated a war over oil (and that this idea will spread if people say "Halliburton" over and over again). It is as if some people become extremists in their efforts to label others as "extreme." </p> <p>But, I digress. </p> <p>As for the paragraph spaces, just use [p] and [/p] but replace the brackets with the "greater than" and "less than" signs.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    BTW...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I get involved in political discussions here quite often. However, I usually do this in response to someone else's comments...and just to let them know that their views aren't the only ones that count.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    <p> and </p> for paragraphs

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    spectrebeeyatch and ratings

    by wierdo27

    The reason why ratings are important is that a certain number of people in the population get a box in their home that records their viewing activities. This represents a certain "slice of the population"...my cousin has on of these, called a Nielsen box. It's a survey, whose purpose is to determine how many people are watching what, and in what demographics/categories. This information is boiled down into a number- higher number means more people, etc. The real VALUE of these numbers is that it translates DIRECTLY into what advertisers can charge for air time. For example, The Super Bowl consistently posts the HIGHEST Nielsen ratings of any programming throughout the year, because that's what the boxes are telling them, which is why advertising during the Super Bowl is so expensive.<p><p> The reason Leno was a failure at 9pm is because his ratings were bad, which pisses off the sponsors/advertisers who are paying to advertise on his show. If no one was watching a show you paid a lot to advertise on, you'd want the network to replace it with something that people DO watch.<p><p>In short, it's all about money. Low ratings = less advertising money, BAD ratings = cancellation, GREAT ratings = high ad rates, happy execs, renewed contracts, etc.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Notice no AICN Headline when Conan loses in the ratings on Tuesd

    by cloneomat

    I'm pro-Coco, but this site is so biased - which is fine if they admit it...but alas... earwax.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    cloneomat- a Harry Potter and the Sorcerere's Stone reference?

    by Wade Wilson

    Excellent.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    This site is biased against Leno

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    like a calculator is biased against '2x4=3'

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Charlie Sheen comes out on top again.

    by Julius Dithers

    The fact that he's not dead or serving a lifetime bid AND nailing pornstars WHILE being paid a gang on an unfunny sitcom is proof enough that Xenu has a sense of humor that no late night talk show host can fathom.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    numbers

    by BadMrWonka

    Conan's numbers took a dip in the second night. a dip which everyone who understands anything knew was inevitable as the show whittles down to it's core audience. in fact, if you google it, virtually every news source talks about it as an inevitable, unsurprising, and un-worrisome thing. the biggest point is that Conan still is going to destroy every other show in terms of youth of audience and core demographics. and that is good for the show. an average age of 30 is unheard of, and VERY good for advertising dollars.<p>another thing people need to understand is that comparing network shows to basic cable shows is inherently misleading. Conan had 2.8 million viewers last night. The Daily Show (which has been on for over a decade [in the Stewart incarnation], and with its young and educated demographic, is highly coveted for advertising) takes in about 1.5 million a night. and that's huge for basic cable. everyone is more than happy with that. <p>even if Conan whittles away to 1.5 million eventually (unlikely, but let's say for the sake of argument) he will still be making a HUGE amount of money for TBS, and it will be considered a VERY successful show. if he can hover around 2 million eventually, that is phenomenal. he can still dip way farther down and be more than fine.<p> network shows have affiliates, they have an entirely different structure to how the ad revenue works. not to mention, they are paying their hosts a hell of a lot more than Conan or Lopez are making. the expected return on investment is much different, and the ratings are much more about key demographics and targeted ads (whereas affiliate network stations have different ad structures)<p>so while it was fun that Conan's debut beat Leno and Letterman, there is no realistic way it was ever going to last, and gloating over it shows a serious lack of understanding about network vs. cable television, especially as ratings are concerned. <p>I don't find Leno that funny, but I don't think he is evil incarnate, just kind of a dick for doing what he did. I like Conan better, but I'm not one of the wackos who treats Leno like Pol Pot just for kinda being a dick.<p>that said, I find it truly amazing that the biggest Leno supporters in the talkbacks are almost invariably the people who are also either the biggest conspiracy theorists or the biggest conservatives. it's as though there is this hidden funnel that plunks every conservative out on Leno's side (and therefore they have to rail against and lie and distort any success Conan has) and plunks every liberal on Conan's side (and therefore they have to scream at the top of their lungs how everyone that enjoy's Leno's humor is a drooling imbecile, or worse, elderly).<p> I've gotten into way too many of what I like to call "nonversations" with people on here. the kind where someone has already made up their mind, and refuses to listen to any logical means of persuasion, yet you keep hoping that somehow you'll get through to them. so I won't try that again. but I hope people understand that Conan's show, for now, is immensely successful. he doesn't have to beat Leno or Letterman to keep being successful. <p>so please, let's drop the hyperbole and distortion.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Conan needs to do sketches

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    and thats it

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    this site SHOULD be biased against Leno

    by smudgewhat

    1. b/c he sucks my ballz. 2. see 1.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    sorry for the long absence...

    by Titus05

    I was really busy with work, family, friends and sex <>testing paragraph space</>

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    testing...

    by Titus05

    testing 1...2...3 <p>testing paragrah break</>

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    smudgewhat...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    If Leno sucks your balls, I would advise him to get tested for STDs and any other diseases. <p>BTW, is MORON a sexually transmitted disease? If so, and if what you are saying is true (about Leno "sucking your balls"), Leno should be worried and may want to take an IQ test ASAP. </p>

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Conan

    by Jared

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Conan

    by Jared

    Anyone else think this new show is rather flat? It lacks the energy of Late Night or even Conan's time on the Tonight Show. I realize they're still looking for their rhythem, but at this point, even Conan looks bored.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST

    suggestions to improve Conan

    by Titus05

    one thing that needs to be eliinated pronto from the new show is the corny show title that Andy reads off at the beginning of each episode...it's not funny at all

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Conan lost 35% of 18-49 demo on second night

    by FrodoFraggins

    thinks will be back to normal fairly soon unless Conan has triumph the insult dog on every night to add some humor. It's bad when your sidekick is funnier than you.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Impugned

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST

    TONIGHT'S SHOW WAS PRETTY BLAND

    by J-Dizzle

    Jon Hamm was a class act. Will Forte as Ted Turner was 'ok' at best. Everything else fell flat.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    what's really funny

    by frank cotton

    is the picture i have in my head of 'jay' trying to juggle all of his multiple accounts here on AICN without slipping up! it's like a STOOGES short

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Do people not get Conan is on TBS?

    by BigTuna

    2.8 million for his second show is still terrific. TBS will be happy is he avgs. a million a night. It's TBS! Different expectations.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    hey ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by smudgewhat

    1. your username is dumb, as are you. 2. your ma squeals in bed. 3. leno loves my ballz - they make his chin seem small. 4. see 1.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    hey smudgewhat...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    <p>1. You're an asshole. </p> <p>2. Your mother created an asshole.</p> <p>3. Leno wouldn't touch your balls, because he isn't a homosexual and you are an asshole.</p> <p>...and...</p> <p>4. Your username verifies that you are an asshole that smudges your shit on everything you do.</p>

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    BigTuna...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Yes, TBS would be ecstatic if they averaged 2.8 Million viewers for Conan. Unfortunately, this is only the second show. It is highly unlikely that Conan will maintain this amount of viewers. However, it is too early to tell. Who knows? He could attract even more viewers away from Leno, Letterman or the Comedy Central clowns.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    FOR THE LAST TIME, WHO GIVES A FOCK...

    by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH

    ABOUT LATE NIGHT TV ANYMORE?!!! STOP LIVING IN THE 90S!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    William_Faulkner, what do you want him to do? Personally attack

    by Coughlins Laws

    her? Insult her to her face like Letterman does?

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by wierdo27

    nice expansion on the theme. I'm not really clear on what the difference in ad structure is between network and cable- can you give me a layman's version on the basics?

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Conan

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Conan's ratings slipped again...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...to 2.72. <p>At the same time, Leno rose to a 5.0 while Letterman dropped to a 3.0. </p> Any reporting on this Hercules? Ahhhh...I didn't think so.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    BTW...TBS estimates that Conan needs to pull...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...an average of rating of 2.5 over the next year for the show to be considered a "success." It seems like he is approaching that number by the 3rd show.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Ratings

    by TheRevenge

    As little as a week ago on this site people were trumpeting "Conan is going to kick Leno's ass!" Well, he did. One day. <br> <br> Now those same people are posting "Who cares about ratings?" <br> <br> Would you be saying that if Conan was in first? Probably not. <br> <Br> Conan's ratings are great for TBS. If he keeps them around a 2.5. But, as I've said before, people find the HOST they want and go there. It's not because of lead-ins; it's not because of who got screwed by whom; it's about people finding the host they want to watch. <br> <br> Conan's show is hardly a failure. If he keeps the numbers pretty consistently where they will likely even out to next week, he'll be considered a huge success for TBS and be around as long as he wants to be.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Conan is no Arsenio

    by Titus05

    Conan's numbers are going to somewhat even out...then fall again...he's the guy that everyone pretends to like to sound hip but in actuality they never watch his show and only follow him on Twitter and Facebook to seem cool...why he keeps getting second and third chances on talk shows is beyond my comprehension...guys like Pat Sajack, Arsenio Hall and Magic Johnson never got 3 opportunities to host a late night show

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    specifics for weirdo27 (some of you ought to read as well)

    by BadMrWonka

    the biggest difference is that network shows have local affiliates. they are still the biggest draw for advertisers (they just flat out have more viewers) but the affiliate system means more local ad time as well, and ads have to be more general.<p>for cable, their shows tend to have a much more specific demographic (we've talked a lot about age with Conan and Lopez, but it's also household income, geographic location, etc) and so targeted advertising can, at times, net a cable network almost as much as general ads for networks.<p> and it gets even more specific. the affiliate system means that it's hard for advertisers to advertise, say, a sci-fi oriented product on the same night that Leno has someone from Battlestar Galactica. on as a guest, even though that would clearly be a big bonus. ad buys are laid out WAY in advance, and the juggling of local vs national ads with affiliates means it's not always assured what ads will show up with what guests. Cable shows, on the other hand, have a more friendly structure for targeted ads. the reason I said this was important was because the more specific an audience is in many demographics, the more advertisers that appeal to that demographic are willing to pay. <p> I know this seems like it's tangential to the overall "how many people are watching this shit, period?" point, but you have to understand...the average TV viewers is FIFTY YEARS OLD. that is the boomers pulling it high. FIFTY YEARS OLD. Conan and Lopez's average viewer age is THIRTY. this means that advertisers with a product or service that doesn't appeal to older people can focus their ad dollars somewhere where they have a MUCH higher rate of return, and expectation of exposure. (just FYI, the average age of a viewer of EITHER Leno or Letterman is actually OLDER than the average viewer age, I think it's like 56 for Leno, 52 for Letterman, but I may be misremembering slightly. Over 50 for both though, for sure)<p> so yeah, Conan getting a 2.8, 2.7 (my guess is he levels off at 2 mil per episode eventually, unless something big changes) is huge because even at half that number, TBS would be making plenty of cash. <p> so people can throw around whatever hyperbole they want, but the show is making a lot of money, and it's not going anywhere. Leno bashers should take note that Conan's show (beyond the first week or so) isn't really going to affect The Tonight Show that much...(see my previous point about audience ages...and I doubt many people that have been watching Jay for 9 months are now switching to Conan) and Conan haters, please stop making up shit, and spouting off about viewership when you don't understand at all how this stuff works. The show is a success, and unless his numbers drop to like .9 mil per episode, no one is going to be worried at all. (by the way, .9 is what the Daily Show is usually at...and of course that's a much cheaper show to produce, but they've been happy with those numbers forever)<p> also a fun note to show how SUPER important the 30 year old average age is for Conan and Lopez in terms of interest from advertisers...Can you guess the average age of the hip, young,"liberal propaganda" Daily Show is? Yeah, try 41.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    TBS-

    by Titus05

    smart move by Conan going to TBS...he knew that he would be on a short leash on FOX and would most likely be canned within 2 years so he picked the place where no one will give a shit if he tanks in the ratings...and he can have a nice long shelf life in the footsteps of Family Guy reruns, 10 Tyler Perry comedies and Atlanta Braves baseball

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    also

    by BadMrWonka

    I forgot to point out that Network TV lives or dies by ratings more than cable because network Tv only has one revenue stream: advertising. Cable has advertising AND subscribers' fees. For basic cable, it might seem nominal, but how much a month are YOU paying for cable? multiply that by millions and you'll get an idea of how big an industry that is. <p> if a network like TBS is in, say, 100 million homes, they might only make $1 per subscriber per month. but that's still 100 MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH that networks are not getting. and that is NOT dependent on how the network is doing as a whole, or how any specific show is doing. advertising is, but the subscriber's fees are just a part of the licensing to cable providers.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Thanks Wonka

    by wierdo27

    I have worked in and out of movies/special effects, and it seems sometimes tv and movies are worlds apart. movies seem to be a whole different system, way of thinking, based on investment/return and everyone's points, then the home sales back end. funny, never really thought about tv economics, cable v network. interesting. in all my time in LA/industry, I never even owned a tv. weird. <p><p> in any case, it's a lot of cash, no doubt.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    You obviously don't understand how cable networks get paid. $1 per channel per month?!? Not in their wildest dreams!!! Most networks hardly make a dime from being offered on basic cable. So, the bulk of their income comes from advertising dollars -- just like broadcast television. <p>TBS has already explained that they need Conan to pull an average rating of 2.5 in order to be deemed a success. Last night, Conan pulled a 2.72 on his THIRD show. It isn't looking good. </p>

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I have 290 channels with Comcast Digital Cable...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...and my bill is just $45 per month. TBS just isn't worth $1 per month per subscriber.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST

    wierdo27

    by BadMrWonka

    no TV? blasphemy! ;o)<p> I've worked in the preiphery of the movie industry for a little while, worked on a few independent films up here in Seattle. and yeah, it's much simpler...well, with indy films, it's very simple, no one makes any money, period!<p>but yeah, TV is an odd beast, though. I just hope people read a little of this and try to realize that Conan is making major moolah for TBS, no matter how they slice it. I'm not sure at all, but I'd venture to say that Conan, per dollar invested in the show, may be making more than Leno or Letterman for the network. Of course, that is a leading statement, even if it is true. I mean, Hollywood would rather have only a 2x return on investment if it meant making 200 million on a 100 million dollar budget, than a 20x return on investment, if it meant making 20 million on a million dollar budget. you have to spend more to make more!<p>but yeah, I like Conan. I usually watch the Daily Show, so I'm going to have to DVR one or the other. but I'm happy he found a spot where he can have fun. I'm hoping once he settles in, we'll get even more skits and funny shit. the interviews are only as fun and exciting as the interviewee. Tom Hanks was pretty good, he certainly tries hard, but fucking Seth Rogen was MISERABLE. I don't hate the guy's movies, but he is a BORING guest.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    cchhrism

    by BadMrWonka

    what have you seen here that has made you think I don't know what I'm talking about? you really want to get into this?<p> Your $45 includes dozens of channels that have very little household penetration, and therefore get way less of the pie. (for example HBO [which I'm assuming you don't get for $45 a month] gets like $7 per subscriber, per month, but is in way less households. some rinky dink shopping channel might get way less per subscriber, but will be on every cable package that exists)<p> Time Warner owns TNT, TBS, HBO and CNN. excluding HBO, CNN, TNT and TBS together are around $2 per subscriber per month total, so perhaps TBS is 67 cents, instead of the dollar I guesstimated. sue me. it's still much larger by an order of magnitude than you were thinking, so I don't think my example being a little off is a big deal.<p> and you wrote:<p> "Most networks hardly make a dime from being offered on basic cable. So, the bulk of their income comes from advertising dollars -- just like broadcast television."<p> This is really, very wrong. It's true that recently ad revenues have risen while subscription revenues have fallen, but we're talking 5-6% in either direction, not a paradigm shift. there are still HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at stake for a company like Time-Warner through cable subscriptions. where do you think your $45 is going? the cable repair guy? shit, if you live in a decent-sized apartment building, just the cable in your building alone is paying his salary every year. <p> subscription revenue across the board is in the billions. do you honestly think that is negligible? it's not nickels and dimes, as you suggest. if subscription revenue were negligible, and ad dollars were everything, then why would cable companies care about people watching things online? just place those same ads within shows offered digitally and it should be the same deal, right?<p> well yeah, in theory for ads (it's not, but let's pretend) but the subscriptions for cable dropping, even slightly, is a loss of millions of potential dollars for companies like Time Warner. <p> and in case you're wondering, here's a source to substantiate my estimates about money per subscriber per month.<p> http://tinyurl.com/2fyozwh <p> I'm happy to continue the education process, it's kind of fun. it's like with weirdo I just got done explaining math to my 10 year old son, and now I'm trying to explain it to his pet salamander. no offense...I like salamanders...

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST

    that one sentence is a little weird to read

    by BadMrWonka

    I meant: "excluding HBO [dot dot dot, pause] CNN-TBS-TNT [those three together] get around $2 per subscriber per month."<p>that's an odd sentence to write clearly, with all the acronyms and whatnot.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    OK OK OK, I was a little farther off

    by BadMrWonka

    I just looked it up (maybe I ought to have looked it up before I got all condescending) and TBS gets 50 cents per subscriber per month.<p>I still maintain that my basic point is the same (if I told you that TBS made 50 million from its subscribers per month, EXCLUDING ad revenue, you'd have laughed me out the door...in reality it's more, since over half the population of the US has basic cable)<p> but in fairness, my guesstimate was double the reality, so I admit I exaggerated. still...160 million cable subscribers x 50 cents a month...do the math. it's an ENORMOUS amount of money.

  • Nov. 11, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Wonka

    by TheRevenge

    Thanks for the info. Good stuff to know. <br> <br> I am sure that Conan is doing just fine and will continue to make some nice cash for TBS. I think it was a smart move. Fox would've expected way more. With TBS he obviously has more freedom. <br> <br> That said, I don't dislike any of the hosts. I, of course, don't really watch any of the shows, either. Every blue moon I might turn one on, but it's rare. When I DO, I don't dislike any of them...including Leno. They are each appealing, in my opinion, which is why they each have millions of fans. <br> <br> That said, no one has been more annoying this year than the Conan Fanboys. Ugh. The vitriol has been so crass. It's not enough to dislike Leno...but the personal insults at people who DO like him. Just stupid. And it all comes down to the fact that Conan failed on his own, no help from Leno...no matter how much people want to whine about "Lead Ins". <br> <br> The only point I was making earlier was how silly it was that, as soon as a week ago, people were saying "Conan is about to bury Leno!" and now, when it seems pretty obvious that neither is going anywhere, those same people are saying "Meh...who cares about ratings?" It just screams of backpeddling. Just as you'll notice Herc will go out of his way to point out Leno losing one viewer but won't mention it if Conan dips in the ratings over the next few months. <br> <br> Frankly, I'm an optimist. I like to see funny people get work, and I'm hopeful that they all keep their jobs. There's obviously room for everyone. The insults are absurd....screaming and bitching about talk show hosts, for crissakes.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Is Titus05 still

    by Wade Wilson

    jerking off to Conan's ratings? <p></p> Why doesn't he spend more time on his job, or with his wife/girlfriend/family? <p></p> Oh that's right... *snicker*

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Thanks for the info. I will look it up, but I still think that 45 cents is quite a bit for a single channel that hosts mostly reruns, Atlanta Braves baseball games and George Lopez's pathetic talkshow. <p>BTW, I pay $45 a month for Comcast -- and I do have HBO, Starz and Encore.</p> <p>I was on a one year $30 promo price w/ free HBO (10 channels). It expired and my bill was going to increase to $85 a month. When I called to cancel my service (to switch to satellite TV), the cancellation rep begged me to stay. They offered to lower my price to $45, but threw in a free upgrade to a better package AND free Starz and Encore. At the time, I was merely a TA while completing my dissertation, so the offer helped quite a bit. It never hurts to negotiate! </p> <p>BTW, I have to mention that your source is for TimeWarner cable...and not for other providers. I would like to see a source that singles out the single channel (TBS) with the various major channel providers. </p> I've been looking, but I haven't found anything...yet. IMHO, a channel like TBS for 45 cents per subscriber per month seems just a bit pricey. On the other hand, any of the Discovery Network channels are worth at least twice that (via our viewing schedule).

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    THURSDAY NIGHT RATINGS:

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    <p>Leno: 5.0</p> <p>Letterman: 4.0</p> <p>Conan: 2.02 </p> <p>If TBS said that Conan needs to pull an average rating of 2.5 for Conan to be deemed a success -- then I suspect that they aren't quite as optimistic as they were. </p><p>Hercules, will you report on this? Oh wait -- you only report the coaxial "news" when it aligns with your own views.</p> Go figure.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Conan unscripted

    by chifforobe

    I don't know if he doesn't realize it, or if it's just too much work every night-- but Conan is a different animal when he's pulling things out of his ass. That is the Conan that needs to drive this show.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Wade_WiIson

    by Titus05

    why is Wade_WiIson so concerned about my wife, kids and job for?...he sounds creepy...probably a registered sex offender...Ain't It Cool should try and keep these type of pedophiles off the site for the safety of the online community

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    The ratings won't be great, it's a nightly show on TBS.

    by JoeSixPack

    And agreed with William_Faulkner, how the hell is Lopez getting better guests?

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by BadMrWonka

    why do you keep mentioning the 2.5 million figure? I can't find reference to that anywhere? Conan's biggest tonight show audience was 2.5 million, and that was on network. why on earth would anyone expect him to match that on cable?<p> Herc's not the only one who likes thing to suit his preconceived notions.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I did read that 2.5 rating figure in an interview somewhere before Conan's premier. Granted, this figure was used to determine whether or not the show would be the "success" that TBS is hoping for. I imagine that they will be happy just to break even with his $10-15 Million contract.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    BTW, I am not hoping for failure...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...in regard to Conan. I think that there are enough people for all of the late night hosts to succeed. I just think that it is funny that some people think in an "either/or" manner. To love Conan, they must spit on Leno (or, much less often, vice versa). It is a shame, really. <p>BTW, I don't mind that Hercules loves Conan. I just don't know why he tries to act objectionable when he clearly HATES certain people, ideas, views, or shows. I know that he doesn't like certain other shows -- but it is funny that he spends soooooo much time hurling ridicule and scorn on political views he dislikes and Jay Leno. </p> In addition, he flat out LIES (knowingly) when he used biased stats for the Jon Stewart and Beck rallies. After that display of dishonesty, Herc's credibility was shit.

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    agreed chrism...

    by jay2517

    esp. on the Ed Shultz (lol) One Nation Rally. fatass Ed claimed that there was 175,000 people there and, of course, used the 87,000 Herc (CBS) est. to say they doubled it too lol! common sense (and aerial photos) proved otherwise lol. wonder WHY no tb for THAT rally lol hmmmm???

  • Nov. 12, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Titus05

    by Wade Wilson

    Get a job.

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by BadMrWonka

    I'd love a link to that interview, I think you're misremembering it. there is really no way anyone ever expected him to get 2.5 million viewers a night. even 1.5 would be hugely optimistic. I think your mind is playing tricks on you.<p> and I think you meant to say "objective" up there, not "objectionable" but I'm guessing that's a Freudian slip.<p> and I'm not worried about any of the estimates for Beck's rally anymore, now that Stewart and Colbert blew him out of the water with theirs. let them use the biggest one they can find! :o)

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I will look for the interview, but I don't think that my memory failed me on that. I did find a blog that repeated the same thing, so maybe the blogger found the same thing that I did. <p>As for the rallies: Yeah, I am not worried about them either -- even though photo evidence proves that Beck (who I neither listen to or watch) had a much larger crowd than the one that Ariana Huffington bussed in for the funny rally of Stewart and Colbert. </p> :-)

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    dear lord Wonka...

    by jay2517

    just look up the aerial photos man. im not worried about rally #'s either BUT the truth is the truth. if only 87,000 (and Shultz claimed they had 175,000 for theirs) were there than Stewart's must have had over a million. Herc's just an ignorant, extreme liberal and its painfully obvious with his bias. splitting hairs is one thing (used on both sides) but, outright lying??? use ur common sense man...

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm not following...by all account both rallies had about the same number of people, yeah? I was referring to the Rally for Sanity being more fun, interesting and helpful to society than a crying, megalomaniacal conspiracy theorist trying to one-up MLK.<p> I really don't care about the number at all, as I said. I'm not sure what your point is.<p>and by the way, I love it when people talk about "extreme liberals". it's such a meaningless term. if "extreme liberals" are gay-loving, sandal-wearing hippies smoking pot, and "extreme conservatives" are racist, ignorant white trash assholes, I guess I'd rather err on the side of the sandals, right? buying into this phony binary of political ideology is the problem.<p> I'm still not sure what you're asking me to use my common sense for...did you misread what I wrote?

  • Nov. 13, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    well, since u fall into the extreme lib portion Wonka...

    by jay2517

    ur depiction of Beck and "extreme conservatives" shows ur true colors. i was referring to u saying that Stew's rally BLEW Beck's rally "out of the water". thats simply not true (i agree with them both having similar #'s) and u saying that sounded like a typical "extreme liberal" like Herc. u know, just spouting off talking points or using false info to "back" up ur own personal vendetta without common sense evidence...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    um, jay?

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm a registered republican and I voted for Bush twice. <p> sometimes making someone look stupid is as easy as letting them speak.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    ummm..good for u (i guess?) Wonka....

    by jay2517

    so...ur not gonna stand by what u said in ur posts?? u being a registered repub makes my criteria of ur posts mute now?? i guess common sense eludes u...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Ross Perot is disappointed in all of you

    by Titus05

    what the hell does what show you watch have anything to do with politics?...Wonka has brought politics into this thread several times now which is just silly...anyone who uses a thread about Conan to debate political viewpoints is an idiot

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Titus05...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Hercules is the most political member of AICN -- and he is one of their bloggers. He readily admitted that some of his lib friends want him to post only when Conan is rated higher than Leno. Go figure. <p>I think that Herc is no longer a "blogger" -- because that means he actually spends meaningful time thinking for himself. I will call him a "blooger" now -- since he reminds me of "Booger" from REVENGE OF THE NERDS...but without the brain cells.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Titus- i wont believe that Perot statement until...

    by jay2517

    Perot himself shows me some pie charts or bar graphs as evidence of his disappointment lol...

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I'm just playing, I'm super liberal

    by BadMrWonka

    heh heh.<p> and I only "brought up politics" in the sense that I mentioned I found it curious that the only people defending Leno were very conservative, and the ones bashing him were very liberal. just thought it was an interesting thing to note. everything else, I've just been responding to questions, so don't blame me. <p> and I don't have a problem with conservatives in general, even if I disagree on a lot of points. I'm certainly not parroting talking points or whatever ludicrous thing you've accused me of.<p>but Glenn Beck is beyond "conservative", he's really a whacko. he's really an off the deep end conspiracy theorist (no offense, Titus...I'm sure you're only half whacko). Seriously, he believes in shadow governments and illuminati and all of that. seriously, he's lost the plot. that so many people worship him is startling. Bill O'Reilly may not be my taste, and I Certainly don't agree with him on much, but he's just a commentator. he's a conservative, and that's that. fine. no problem. <p>Beck is a whole different ballgame. he's scary. once you start thinking there is a Zionist shadow government controlling everything in the world, how can you be taken seriously as a political commentator, I don't really get that.

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    ok cool Wonka but...

    by jay2517

    Stew's rally "blowing" (bad pun on ur part) Beck's is simply not true AND a extreme lib talking point though. u said that in ur post not me and that's simply not true. BTW...whats ur opinion on "truth telling, none whacko's" Olbermann and Shultz?? there NOT scary???

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    akkkk!!! THEY'RE!!!!

    by jay2517

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    akkkkk!!! THEIR!!!

    by jay2517

  • Nov. 14, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    akkkkk!!! TAKE UR PICK OF THERE'S LOL!!!!

    by jay2517

    i hate typing fast lol...

  • Nov. 15, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    as I explained already

    by BadMrWonka

    I meant blew it out of the water in terms of, well, being reasonable and exciting and meaningful. Beck co-opted MLK to basically try to position himself as the new leader of the christian evangelical movement (which is going to be a little tricky for a mormon).<p> and, again, as I said. liberal comentating vs conservative commentating, I don't dig it. I think it fuels partisan phonyism, I think it's bad for the media in general. but I accept that for every O'Reilly, there is an Olbermann, for ever Hannity there is a Maddows. fine. I get it. I reluctantly accept it. I know that because I am more liberal, it feels to me that however exaggerated the commentary is, I gravitate towards the more liberal side. and I'm sure you gravitate towards the more conservative side. that's just how it is. I think your side is a bunch of lying, manipulative jerks, and you think the same about mine. (you've certainly not held back on labeling me)<p>but Beck is NOT IN THAT BINARY. he is completely a conspiracy nut. sure, if you have to peg him, he's a "libertarian-oriented conservative" or whatever, but if you actually look up what they guy has advocated in the past, it goes beyond, "Obama's a racist, muslim, socialist, nazi, blah blah blah" I mean, that stuff is ridiculous, but I know my side said some pretty harsh shit about Bush (personally, I think it would have been better to just let him sink his own ship) so I get that. But Beck goes WAY beyond that. he truly believes that all major government are subservient to a larger shadow organization run by Zionist leaders. seriously, I'm not making this up!<p>he's lumped in with the rest, but in reality, it is SCARY that so many people worship and trust this nutcase. he is DANGEROUS for America.

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