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Sheepf*cker takes a look at Tony Scott's UNSTOPPABLE!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a reader review from the strikingly named "Sheepfucker," the origin of which was too funny to redact from the submitted review, so you get the whole kit and caboodle. Sheepy's name might signify a certain type of review, but I found his write-up to be pretty damn entertaining and well-reasoned. Enjoy!

Harry, The one time I talked to you, years ago, I told you I was an Aggie and you immediately called me "Sheepfucker." Seems as good a handle as any should you find a use for the below. I was able to catch a public screening of Unstoppable on Saturday night. Some non-spoiler thoughts: Unstoppable I cannot be certain but I believe it was William Goldman (Princess Bride, Butch & Sundance, Marathon Man and a ton of others) that told the story of meeting with a real-life hero in a bar somewhere and hearing him retell his past glories. How he'd saved a woman and her children from a burning building. How he'd narrowly escaped death on several occasions. I forget the details but you get it: real-life hero stuff. Real drama. Real life-and-death. Goldman, or whomever it was, recalls at the end of their fascinating conversation of all the fireman had been through thinking to himself, "Tom Cruise does all this before breakfast." Real heroes don't necessarily make for good movie heroes. The rescue of one woman and her kids isn't enough to sustain a 90 minute story, so movie heroes do the "real stuff" in the first 15 minutes to establish the essential 'heroic-ness' of their character before moving on to a) experience a personal tragedy and b) save the entire friggin' world, or at bare minimum several thousand people by Act III. Unstoppable is no exception. Based loosely on the story of train #8888 that in 2001 rumbled through near 70 miles of Ohio with no one at the controls (while carrying a toxic liquid cargo). Train 8888 is the story of what didn't happen. Unstoppable is the story of what might have happened. The idea behind Unstoppable isn't your typical Hollywood fare. Freight trains aren't as sexy as F-14's, not as photogenic as space ships, and don't typically have turret-mounted guns that shoot Volkswagen-sized ammunition thereby achieving inherent awesomeness. Freight trains don't scream "movie." In the hands of anyone but shaky-cam messiah Tony Scott the movie probably would have turned out to be more boring than George Bush's sex life. You can thank me for the mental image I just generated later on. William Goldman (and I'm sure it was him this time) said that screenplays are structure, nothing else. Unstoppable has one glaring structural problem that will irritate people. We meet Chris Pine's new to the train business character in the first scene and Denzel Washington's experienced voice of wisdom character shortly thereafter. Both are established as Protagonists With Problems... Pine's marriage is in trouble and Washington's marriage is over, his relationship with a daughter is strained. None of which has much of anything to do with a runaway train. Their problems serve only one real purpose: give the characters something to talk about since the characters are given nothing at all to do. Indeed for the first 50 minutes as the mechanics of how this train came to be in this condition, and highlighting the danger it causes are illuminated over and over Scott keeps cutting back to Pine and Washington talking about their personal troubles. The high-dollar main characters with their faces on the one-sheets aren't even aware something's gone wrong. For 50 minutes. Death to any story, except Tony Scott's in charge here and he keeps the audience interested by having a million-or-so ton freight train run into a series of objects and destroy them. Thank god Michael Bay wasn't shooting this one or else the horse trailer that gets obliterated would have exploded like it was filled with T.N.T. instead of, ya know, hay and horse apples. Otherwise Unstoppable is pretty good popcorn fare, just make sure you turn off your brain before the lights go down. It's Tony Scott, so expect a lot of shaky-cam where it doesn't necessarily make sense. This is the man that made Man on Fire, the first film apparently shot exclusively during earthquakes. Overall the whole thing feels balanced, and I mean that in the very best of ways (huge props to the film's editor here). There's the "corporations are evil and would rather kill people than devalue their stock" theme, but it's not overplayed. There is shaky-cam, but not nearly so often as in Man on Fire. The protagonists have personal issues and while I question the point somewhat the quantity of those scenes isn't so excessive as to deter from the reason we came to see the movie, ie seeing a train flatten stuff. The train does indeed flatten and shatter various objects, but not nearly so much as in the Michael Bay version. Scott doesn't turn this into some sort of Jackass 4: The Train Skit (sit back and enjoy watching this freight train blow stuff up for 90 minutes until Johnny and the boys recover from their wounds!). Unstoppable could have been a far more boring film. Unfortunately had The Powers That Be given the 2 male leads some actions to perform in the first half of the film it could also have been much better. Overall: B+ solid but not great p.s. New trailers for "Battlefield L.A." and the long-delayed "Season of the Witch" were attached to the film.
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  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Plan to see it anyway

    by m.dung

    Looks good for a fall film.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    by UGG

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    by UGG

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "Man on Fire, the first film apparently shot exclusively during

    by AndrewWanKenobi

    Yeah, this made me laugh. Nice.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I saw this the other night.

    by Holeman

    Tony Scott has lost his fucking mind. Someone needs to reign that asshole in and tell him to STOP with his current style of filming because it completely ruined a perfectly good action flick.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I'm still convinced this isn't a real movie

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It looks like one of those fake movie trailers to sell a cell phone or something.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    um..first?

    by nightmute

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    dammit

    by nightmute

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    It's more like a South Park parody

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    "One million tons of runaway steel is careening straight for a bunch of school children and the only one who can stop it is...Rob Schneider. Dee durp dee durr dee dippidy durr!"

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Saw this movie in 1985.

    by the_patriot

    Jon Voight, Eric Roberts, Rebecca DeMornay. "Runaway Train." Thanks though, Mr. Scott.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Wait...there's a BATTLE: LOS ANGELES trailer attached???

    by zillabeast

    Umm....THAT is the REAL news, IMO.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Scott makes bloody entertaining movies!

    by John_McClanes_Vest

    Style over substance, yes, but who cares!

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I saw this movie...it's called Speed

    by SlyWalker

    just with a train and not a bus

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    So On Demand, maybe

    by Norm

    You know a film is bad when it's completely free, all you have to do is push a little button, and you think, "You know what, I'd rather go outside and rake leaves than give this POS 2 hours of my life". I'm thinking I'll probably end up outside when this one rolls around.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE NEEDS MORE SHIRTLESS VOLLEYBALL SCENES

    by Darth Busey

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    What happens....

    by shaft478

    ...if the train goes below 60 MPH? Does the train explode? Didn't they kill that guy in the original Speed? How did he make it into this movie to put a bomb on the train? So many questions.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Young buck & old buck, both down on their luck

    by Rocco Curioso

    I do not GIVE a fuck. Bring on "Skyline", dammit! The soon-to-be sleeper hit of the year.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    "Turn your brain off it's Tony Scott" = GO FUCK YOURSELF

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Shameful shit.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    A lot of this was shot in my hometown

    by Rand92

    The action sequences anyway so I'll probably go see it just to see my home on film.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Jay Pharoah's Denzel impersonation on SNL...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...pretty much assured that I would NOT be seeing this one... I'd be thrown out of the theatre for laughing maniacally at all the wrong scenes.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Sheepfu**ker does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Sheepy, cheers for the early review but you should perhaps steer clear of attempting comedy and concentrate on saying something about the story, synopsis, acting, etc. I mean is this an action movie (with villains) or just a disaster flick. I still don't know.<p> And I personally think MAN ON FIRE, TRUE ROMANCE, BH COP 2, LAST BOY SCOUT, CRIMSON TIDE, and many other Tony Scott movies are top notch flicks. Really enjoy his style of direction... so yeah like Stuntcock says... go fuck yourself (or the nearest sheep).

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    the_patriot, RUNAWAY TRAIN - yes! Great movie!

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Wish he would have reviewed...

    by Bass Ackwards

    ...the two trailers mentioned above, I already know that I'm not going to bother seeing this movie, but those other two at least sound like they might be interesting.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Hill-fucking-Larious

    by Guy Grand

    The trailer is the best thing about this movie. SWAT teams with guns trying to drop in and shoot the thing, school buses, little girls, and probably a hobbled dog (in the outtakes) lurching near the tracks, and that great line, "I don't know where the train is! We've lost it!!!" Fucking hilarious. Tony Hack Scott you've got another winner.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it.

    by Obscura

    a simple, no bullshit hero film. its not complex because it doesnt have time to be. Think of it like Speed in the real world.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Which George Bush?

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I just hope...

    by The Dum Guy

    In one scene, one of our heroes will say, "Looks like I've got a train to catch."

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Tony Scot...

    by Rameses

    has really dissapointed.I loved his first movie * The Hunger* , which was like Ridley turned upto 11.But the commercial failure of that film, seems to have pushed him into some sort of hardcore mainstream approach , that means not stop slick and shallow.His trademark seems to be zooming in too tight to an action scene , so that when its cropped for tv all you can see is some guys shoulder and a bit of wall .

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Domino ruined Tony Scott for me.

    by TheUltimateMathTeacher

    Since that horrible movie, I always go in expecting the worse from him. Stupid Domino.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    World Invasion: Battle LA

    by syn_flood

    The new title sounds even worse than the old one lolololol

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Sorry, worst. Stupid non-editing...

    by TheUltimateMathTeacher

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    My only question is this:

    by Supernatural_Canary

    Is it as good as the greatest “runaway train” movie of all time, the Akira Kurosawa scripted RUNAWAY TRAIN, starring Jon Voigt (who received an Oscar nomination for best actor) and Eric Roberts (who won the Oscar—his only—for Best Supporting actor)?

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Sheepf**ker...

    by DrMorbius

    So, it was EWE!!!

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Unwatchable

    by D o o d

    that's what it should be called. Boring concept and it's got Tony Scott at the helm to give it shaky cam look and overstyled coloring and grade!

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Refreshingly non-planty review...

    by Somerichs

    It's about time...and all it took was a dirty sheepfucker! Kudos...

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    no interest

    by torontoxic

    Sorry but I just don't give a fuck about trains. I have to give a fuck in order to get past the expected formulaic structure. I love Tony Scott's movies (most of them anyway) but seriously I can't bring myself to pay to see this. I need to end on a joke or i won't seem witty. Um...the only train I'm interested in is the one I ran on Harry's wife with those bikers in 04.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    what happened to tony scott?

    by chucks888

    say what you will about top gun, it was at least a good looking movie get off the color grading dude, and make a movie that has a story people actually want to see that doesn't star denzel

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Roberts didn't win the Oscar

    by Ditch Brodie

    He was nominated, though. I still can't believe he wasn't nominated for Star 80.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Trailer = South Park

    by thommcg

    It's like they created the trailer to preempt South Park knocking it off. I can't imagine watching this without laughing.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    to add:

    by chucks888

    tony scott is hell bent on a streak of making the same movies as if he believes it'll etch him into greatness. except those movies are shaky quick cut boring action movies with denzel. someone needs to pull him aside and just tell him, dude, no. (and it won't be ridley, who's off making weird robin hood movies) he's basically bob zemeckis with his mo-cap cartoons

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Don't confuse Man on Fire with Domino.

    by CreasyBear

    Domino is the Tony Scott movie where the editing theatrics don't add to the experience. Man on Fire's editing - including the way the subtitles appear as translation or just emphasis, and are smoothly removed by the movement of an object in the foreground, as well as the so-called "shaky cam" - enhance the movie. Watch it again and notice how many still shots there are, how much traditional camera work there is. There are only certain moments when - for the sake of exposing the characters' states of mind, or for the sake of quickly providing details in a time-efficient manner - the editing is used.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    And Top Gun was boring as shit.

    by CreasyBear

    Miami Vice cooler-than-hip mentality bullshit. I would rather rewatch Domino than Top Gun. At least it has a sense of humor about its own style. I admit, though, that Deja Vu and Pelham were some neo-Scott movies that weren't that exciting. I was excited for Unstoppable, but the reviewer mentioning an hour of the main characters not engaged with the problem at hand is disturbing. I like the look of the more recent Tony Scott movies, and Denzel Washington is the best actor working today, but it's hard to like a movie with a weak plot.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Hollywood trying to force fed us Chris Pine

    by chien_sale

    All these uninteresting young punks.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    chien_sale: But what about Channing Tatum?

    by CreasyBear

    He's an exciting and talented young actor who -- oh, same thing. Yeah, I see your point.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I AM TALKBACKER HEAR ME ROAR!

    by THE WALLACE

    I haven't seen it. But it's terrible. Shittiest acting I haven't seen yet in a long time, and I hate the quick cutting crap I DID see... in the trailer that is. Fuck this movie! Tony Scott sucks based on unpopular opinion, and as a talkbacker that's all that matters. Bigger hack, shittier director than James Cameron. And fuck James Cameron... he's been in a downslide since Terminator.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    CreasyBear

    by TheUltimateMathTeacher

    I hear you. Man on Fire is lightyears better than Domino, but every time I hear Tony Scott's name, Domino inevitably comes to mind. I never trusted Harry's reviews very much, but his enthusiasm for Domino back when it came out pretty much made me dismiss any future reviews. There's disagreeing with someone's opinion, then there's realizing that you and he aren't even on the same planet.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    @chien_sale and CreasyBear

    by Rocco Curioso

    Lest we forget Sam "Not The Man" Worthington. God only knows what McG and Cameron saw in him.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    If anyone wants to find out more

    by xevoid

    about this event, this is a very interesting read. http://kohlin. com/CSX8888/z-final-report.htm I didnt understand half of the engineer-speak, so I am hoping the movie will elaborate on some of the specific things engineers do.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    by event, I mean

    by xevoid

    the original event this movie was based off of. It actually was a pretty serious occurrence back in 01, and it truly was amazing that no one was injured.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Why the asterisk? It's spelled SHEEPFUCKER

    by GetMeAn18ManFireTeamIn12Hours

    Pussies.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    It's got Pine, Washington, and a runaway train.

    by DellsDontBounce

    Wife wants to go see it, so we go see it.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    SO, WHO PLAYS REBECCA DEMORNAY?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST

    "YOU IMMEDIATELY CALLED ME SHEEPFUCKER"

    by BringingSexyBack

    Charming, Harry. Charming.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Review's not bad.

    by Gwai Lo

    B+ seems a little high for the movie described but oh well. Personally I am done professionally with Tony Scott but I'm not gonna question anyone who isn't.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Um, BATMAN LIVE anybody?

    by Subtitles_Off

    Any Brits got deets?

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 9:33 p.m. CST

    George Bush's sex life...

    by Hipshot

    Might be better than you think. I get the sense that Laura might actually be kinda hot.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    All this money and talent for a remake of The Cassandra Crossing

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    What's next, a new version of The Swarm?

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Is this like speed, but, with a train?

    by Toruk_Makto

    I can't seem to motivate myself to investigate further.

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Aside from your pointless left-wing politics, not a bad review

    by IronEagle74

    I especially liked the comment about "Man on Fire." I literally got sick watching that movie. The colors and the earthquake cam combined were a deadly combination.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    It could have been Goatfucker that wrote this

    by Xiphos_2

    Thank buddah it wasn't. INTERPOL finally captured that barnyard animal rapist.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Well if someone named sheepfucker didn't like it

    by SithMenace

    how could it possibly be good?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST

    @IronEagle74

    by KGB3317

    "I literally got sick watching that movie." So you obviously didn't see Cloverfield or you'd be dead.....you pussy.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:31 a.m. CST

    "just make sure you turn off your brain...

    by AsimovLives

    ... before the lights go down"<br><br>Word just fails me to describe how fucking pissed off i am with such statements. Begging to turn off the brain is the the same as an admition that the movie is a piec eof shit. And UNSTOPPABLE will be a fucking piece of shit of a fucking movie. Tony Scott directing pretty much seals the deal.<br><br>Somehting this fucking Hollywood hacks kep forgetting is that people love to see procedual movies. And the mroe realistic a precedual movie is, the better it is. People love to see movies where, in the context of a dramatic presentation, real life proceduals of asome accident or dramatic even plays out. It engages audiences. Have professional and likable characters in the story, and voilá lá, you have asses on seats, or as the modern parleur says, asses in the endge of the seats. You don't need to have explosions and fucking total destruction every each 5 minutes. All you need is to present the situation with cçlarity, and show a bunch of very smart people dealing with the problem, while the problems themselves escalates.<br><br>This "turn the brain off2 is jsut brainwashed bullshit. Pure total dumb brainwashed bullshit. Any movie that needs to have the brain turned off is shit and doesn't deserve people to waste their time on that crap.<br><br>UNSTOPABLE looks dumb and retard and a fucking waste of my time. No thanks. And i'm relaly getting tired of watching a great actor like Denzel Washington fucking up and wasting his talent on crap like this, ruining all the good will he accumulated throughout 3 decades of excelent acting. As for Chris Pine, this guy is really getting on my nerves. Who he thinks he is, is he puling a Tom Cruise stardom strategy by playing fucking irritating assholes who are supposed to be endearing to audiences but are unwatchable and unbearable to sit through a whoile movie? Why the fuck do americna movies always shove this assholes as heroes on us and try to trick us to think they are likable and edgy? And why thr fuck i need an useless background story for those two clown protagonists of this movie if in tne end it all amounts to fucking nothing? Who the fuck makes this movies? This shit move, no thanks. I rewatch THE SOCIAL NETWORK instead, now that's a really good movie that doesn't try to make an asshole protagonist into an imediate sympathetic character. That's how you do it. Fuck this movie, fuck tony Scott's middle age crisis, fuck Chris Pine, and Denzel Washington, shame on you, sir, shame on you.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:37 a.m. CST

    "corporations are evil and would rather kill people than devalue

    by AsimovLives

    Yews, that's real life. Wouldn't it be great that for once, a fantasy movie like this one wouldn't play that trope?

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST

    John_McClanes_Vest

    by AsimovLives

    "Scott makes bloody entertaining movies! Style over substance, yes, but who cares!"<br><br>More people then you think. Specially those who pay for their theater ticket with money they had to earn by working on a job. Only kids who get allowence money from their parents and don't ever question how it got there would be OK with bullshit movies of the kind Tony Scott makes, like this one.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    MAN ON FIRE could had been a really great movie, the reveng emovie to end all revenge movies. Sadly, they hired Tony Scotgt to direct it, the Tony Scott in his middle age crisis. MAN ON FIRE is not a great movie, it's a sad spectacle of a great movie to be, a great movie that didn't got to be one.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai, about LAST BOY SCOUT

    by AsimovLives

    Let me tell you what that movie is. It's a great dramatic scene surrounded by dumb action bullshit. The fantastic scene i'm talking about is that scene when Bruce Willis bring ex-footballer home and he has a very harsh and brutal verbal fight with his young daughter. That scne is intense and dramatic like you wouldn't beleive an action movie would ever had. It's as if the movie had suddently turned into WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOLF for a moment. And it really is a great scene, very dramatic and heart-breaking. Then the bullshit resumes. fuck that movie, except for that great, amazing scene. It deserved it's own movie, hell, it pratically is a short movie on itself.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:08 a.m. CST

    YOU BUNCH OF WHINING BITCHES!!

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Firstyl, it's TONY FUCKING SCOTT. If you don't like his style of film-making - and it IS a very distinctive style - don't come and watch this movie. Simple as that.<P> This is the Tony Scott who made TOP GUN, NOT the ADD-editing afflicted meth-head who made DOMINO (which was shit) and MAN ON FIRE (which wasn't). This movie does have the shaky editing at the appropriate moments - for example, when he's trying to make a freight train lumbering along at 70 mph look scary. But by and large, it's basically a realistic version of SPEED - no over-the-top heroics, just a situation escalating out of laugh-at-the-twat-whose-fault-this-is to full-on, shit-this-will-decimate-an-entire-town tension. And it's a BRILLIANT movie. A really well-made, gripping-as-all-hell movie.<P> The cinematography is just beautiful. You have a freight train going reasonably slowly, on a track it can't veer from - and yet, through careful use of sound desing and editing, the train becomes a character in the movie - effectively, it is the antagonist. The way the train is photographed owes a LOT to Spielberg's DUEL, which is why you shouldn't worry about the first 50 mins - while we're hearing about the probs our main characters are dealing with (so we can care about them later on) the train is already causing serious headaches. We're with Rosario Dawson in the yard, dealing with clearing the tracks and warning the evil corporate suits that they're heading into populated areas, and the tension is ratcheted higher and higher. By the time our heroes encounter the problem, trust me - the stakes are sufficiently raised.<P> Chris Pine is just fine here. He's got the charisma of a young Christian Slater, but more verisimilitude in the performance - you believe these guys are REAL, they're not superheroes like Jack Traven in SPEED. They're fallible; they get hurt. The only fake note is the obligatory wife-and-child they saddle Pine with, who are photographed EXACTLY like the wife-and-child in CON AIR. At least we didn't have to suffer Leeanne Rimes.<P> This movie does what it says on the tin. It's a solidly made, tense, gripping action thriller that doesn't let up after the initial snafu that kicks this whole thing off. Denzel is as dependably great as he always is; Chris Pine keeps up, and is also great. Rosario does more with a small role than is necessary for this movie, and comes off very well, but for me, Lew Temple's Ned is the unsung hero of the piece - bringing some much-needed humour to leaven the proceedings.<P> This movie isn't DOMINO - you can actually see what's happening (though it DOES get more fast-cut towards the conclusion). You'll already know if this appeals to you or not. If it doesn't, fuck off and don't bother me when I'm watching this for the third time at the cinema. I fucking LOVED it - it's a brilliant movie, possibly one of his best.<P> As for turning your brain off? Not that kind of movie, unless you're not remotely bothered by the whys and wherefores of how trains are driven, or attached, coupled, or how they are moved from track to track. The train stuff is all very interesting (I worked for Railtrack and Network Rail in the UK for a few years, so it interested me) but when the shit hits the fan, it's an action thriller vall the way. The way Tony Scott takes what could have been a very boring (visually) story and makes it visually interesting is a masterclass in using the skills he has as a film-maker to make a static situation dynamic. The train can't leave the track; it's travelling at 70. Sounds boring. In Scott's hands it becomes frightening; it becomes something cinematic. That's the highest praise you can give this movie; it's Tony Scott's DUEL. And it's a fucking great time at the movies for those of you brave enough to turn off your snark glands and actually just go watch a good movie with no cynicism. It's a great Tony Scott movie. Simple as that.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Asi

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Try watching a movie before delivering a dissection of how shit it is - BEFORE YOU'VE FUCKING SEEN IT. Scott knows EXACTLY what he's doing, and you DO get the procedural atuff - just enough to give you the sense of jeopardy, but as the train accelerates, the details give way to the actions of those trying to srtop it. It's a BRILLIANT movie. But since you're a psychic critic who can tell me EXACTLY how good or bad a movie is without fucking watching it, you'd know this, wouldn't you??<P> Get ofv your high horse and think about what you're saying, you horse's ass. You have no idea how dumb you are making yourself sound.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Asi??

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    "a fantasy movie like this one"<P> It's based on a fucking REAL EVENT, you dumbass. Another poster posted a fucking link to it earlier. Try actually READING about the movie if you can't be arsed to watch it. BASED ON A REAL-LIFE EVENT, you dumb shit.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:18 a.m. CST

    chien_sale, Rocco Curiouso

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    I see what you're saying, but at least Channing Tatum has a sense of self-deprecating humour to go with his lunkhead acting, and Chris Pine can actually act, and has a modicum of charisma. He's Paul Walker with chops.<P> Sam Worthington, on the other hand - by all accounts, the nicest guy in the world offscreen. Onscreen? A combination of Bale-level angst and barely-repressed fury, and zero self-deprecation. Makes for an action hero you have no emotional investment in whatsoever. The only way Worthington can interest me in anything he does is to actually show he can laugh at himself in some way in his next role. 'Cos right now, he makes Arnie in CONAN look like Laurence Olivier.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST

    chien_sale

    by AsimovLives

    I agre with you. Hollywood is really desperate to shove into the public and making stars of two very vanilla actors, Chris Pine and Shia LeBeuf. Now, i donpt think that per se they are bad actors. But they are uncharismatic and they have a medium rance talent, which they are using by replaying the same character again and again. They are supporting character material. Now, i saw THE SOCIAL NETWORK, and i saw two naturally charismatic actors with loads of talent and screen precense, thew two guys who played the lead roles, the guiy who was alos in ZOMBIELAND and the new Spiderman guy, and frankly, this guys are really great. they are effordlessly true move star material, and very good actors too. I think Spiderman is in very good hands as far as the lead is concerned, if THE SOCIAL NETWORK is anything to go by.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Yet more pearls from swine...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    "Let me tell you what that movie is. It's a great dramatic scene surrounded by dumb action bullshit. "<P> no. That movie was one of the last fast-talking, wise-cracking, self-deprecating fucking FUN action movies that we used to get back in the 90s. Back when watching action movies was FUN, before EVERYBODY had ot be Jason fucking Bourne. And for the record- I love the Bopurne movies. What I DON'T love are all the Bourne clones that followed, especially James Bourne starring that well-known ladykiller Daniel "WTF does self-deprecating mean?" Craig.<P> So sick of this po-faced take-it-all-so-serious bullshit. Where's the fucking FUN these days? Thank God for THE A-TEAM, THE LOSERS and THE EXPENDABLES this year - at least SOMEBODY is having fun doing the job most of us have dreamed of doing our enitre fucking lives...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:33 a.m. CST

    No, Asi. No.

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    "they have a medium rance talent, which they are using by replaying the same character again and again. "<P> Captain Kirk is very different to the Will Colson that Pine plays in UNSTOPPABLE. And those two characters are very different from the lovable loser Pine plays in JUST MY LUCK. Or the white trash psycho hitman he plays in SMOKIN' ACES.<P> Once again, you are wrong. Pine can actually act.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:37 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    Because i haven't seen shitty movies before in my 25 years of movie geedom and can't detect their stentch a mile away, right? It's called experience,dude. It's not the shitty movies that suprises me anymore (ell, except for Jar Jar Abrams's latest, hat was totally leftfield bad in it's immense crapitude). So, yeah, i can tell, for certain, this movie is a crappy waste of my time.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:41 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    Nu Kirk: Arrogant cocky authority defiant newbie asshole with a cliched family problem nobody can give a shit about who we are supposed to identify and be sympathetic with.<br><br>Whatshisface characterhe plays in UNSTOPPABLE: Arrogant cocky authority defiant newbie asshole with a cliched family problem nobody can give a shit about who we are supposed to identify and be sympathetic with.<br><br>Yeah, not the same character at all. At least you didn't refute the same character nonsense that Shia LeBeuf is always playing, so you are agreeing with me on something. Small mercies.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Asi, I'd agree with you...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    ...If it weren't for the tiny detail that you're wrong.<P> I hated DOMINO as much as anybody here - damn near gave me a fit. I can handle fast editing and shaky-cam - hey, I saw CLOVERFIELD at the cinema, how hardcore am I? - but DOMINO was fucking incomprehensible. MAN ON FIRE less so - I liked the tricky editing and the way he used subtitles etc - but still, I wanted a Tony Scott movie I could actually just WATCH without gettinga headache from the ADD-editing.<P> I've seen UNSTOPPABLE now, and in my opinion, it's one of the best movies Tony Scott has ever made. It's his version of DUEL. His DoP performed miracles in how great they got the train to look - it really is the villain of the piece, not just a plot point - and the soundtrack's great. The problem is, you're so fixated on how much you hated DOMINO and MAN ON FIRE that you can't get into your head that THIS IS NOT THE SAME FUCKING FILM.<p> I've gleaned from what you said about THE LAST BOY SCOUT that you just flat-out do not like Tony Scott's stuff. Fine. He's a fairly divisive film-maker. But this is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a shit movie. If anything, it's one of the best thrillers I've seen in ages. But you just regurgitating your hatred of Scott's previous movies doesn't give you clairvoyance enough to know what the problems (if any) are with THIS movie. If you want to moan about what the problems with this movie are, do me a favour - WATCH THE MOVIE FIRST!!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    And again, no, Asi...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Kirk - Discipline and authority issues stemming from having no father figure. Becomes a natural leader under pressure. Finds father figure in the Bruce Greenwood. His weaknesses become his strengths.<P> Will Colton - IS a father, having trouble with anger management resulting in estrangement from his wife. Has no problem with authority - he's from a rich family, so the friction comes from him being young and taking a job that the older guys in the yard are being fired from. It's the old "new blood replacing the old" problem, and Colton is more being picked ON than doing the picking on. He defends himself, but it isn't him with the problem - it's the old guys. And there's no stupid heroics in UNSTOPPABLE - everything these guys do, any yard guy trying to save his job would do. There's no leaping tall buildings in a single bound here. It's a realistic movie, realistically played.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:52 a.m. CST

    That said...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Shia LeBouef is just shit. Flat out, indefensibly shit at anything even approaching acting. Just shit.<P> NONONONONONONONONONOOO!!!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai, Stuntcock Mike...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    You guys should see this movie. From what you've said about Tony Scott's previous flicks, you'd enjoy this one. Visually, it's beautiful, but it's really, REALLY well directed. And the lead performances are uniformly great, across the board. Well worth your time.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    "Where's the fucking FUN these days?"<br><br>In very few place,s because most of the crpa make in Holywood today is just shit. There's very few real fun movies being made today. Either you have to look elsehwhere, watch TV like Dexter, Chuck, House or The Walking Dead, or the few movies made in Holywood made by truly good directors like INCEPTION and THE SOCIAL NETWORK. that's where thr fun is. Where the fun isn't is in bullshit crap like UNSTOPABLE. To enjoy and call that shit as fun is to surrounder your ass to corporate dumbed down nonsense, it's to be their slave while paying for it, the saddest type of slavery there is. That is not movie geekdom worthy if the name, it's just selling your ass to corporate cynicism for cheap.<br><br>And THE LAST BOY SCOUT is a dumb shitty movie with one exceptional great scene in it. all that "it's self-aware dumb" is a whole pile of nonsense bullshit, it's the same typical excuse from dumb shitty movies to justify their crapness. I'm not that easily fooled.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Sheepfucker couldn't be more wrong...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    “Real heroes don't necessarily make for good movie heroes.” This statement’s so wrong, I don’t know where to start. So you didn’t enjoy CRY FREEDOM, then? Or BRAVEHEART? BLACK HAWK DOWN? SAVING PRIVATE RYAN? Hell, SCHINDLER’S LIST? None of these any good?? <P> “The rescue of one woman and her kids isn't enough to sustain a 90 minute story, so movie heroes do the "real stuff" in the first 15 minutes to establish the essential 'heroic-ness' of their character before moving on to a) experience a personal tragedy and b) save the entire friggin' world, or at bare minimum several thousand people by Act III. Unstoppable is no exception.” I don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea, but UNSTOPPABLE is basically – Act I: We get the set-up of how this all started (idiot driver doing something stupid), who our heroes are (Denzel and Chris talking in a cab) and who the main players are. Act II: Everything goes to shit. Rescue operations set up and fail. Repeat. Act III: The situation is brought to a conclusion. There’s no initial heroics, then further, bigger heroics later on. Doesn’t work like that. Has Sheepfucker even WATCHED this film?<P> “The idea behind Unstoppable isn't your typical Hollywood fare. Freight trains aren't as sexy as F-14's, not as photogenic as space ships, and don't typically have turret-mounted guns that shoot Volkswagen-sized ammunition thereby achieving inherent awesomeness. Freight trains don't scream "movie." In the hands of anyone but shaky-cam messiah Tony Scott the movie probably would have turned out to be more boring than George Bush's sex life. You can thank me for the mental image I just generated later on.” It’d be nice to see what your point was, but I assume you were going to say, in Tony Scott’s hands, this unappealing set-up looks so much better visually than it has any right to. At least we agree on something. Could be one of Tony Scott’s finest films.<P> “William Goldman (and I'm sure it was him this time) said that screenplays are structure, nothing else. Unstoppable has one glaring structural problem that will irritate people… over and over Scott keeps cutting back to Pine and Washington talking about their personal troubles. The high-dollar main characters with their faces on the one-sheets aren't even aware something's gone wrong. For 50 minutes.” No, because THIS IS BASED ON A TRUE-LIFE INCIDENT. So if in real life the characters didn’t know initially what the problem was – why the fuck would they know on film?? It’s sticking to the true story, dumbass! And anyway, it’s handled just fine. All the drama in the first 50 mins is in the control rooms and on the track. So stop worrying.<P> “Death to any story, except Tony Scott's in charge here and he keeps the audience interested by having a million-or-so ton freight train run into a series of objects and destroy them.” Yeah, death to anyone with an attention span of less than a second. Some of us are intelligent enough to give a shit about the drama unfolding as the train authorities, companies and staff try to stop this train every way they can before Pine and Washington swing into action later. Again, I think this says more about the writer than the movie. The movie’s just fine – the running-into-things-and-destroying-them is icing on the cake.<P> “Otherwise Unstoppable is pretty good popcorn fare, just make sure you turn off your brain before the lights go down. It's Tony Scott, so expect a lot of shaky-cam where it doesn't necessarily make sense.” Twat. This is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, a dumb movie. Don’t assume it is. What it DOES do – and it does very well – is take a situation that could have got bogged down in technical details and pared it back to its essentials – set-up, characters, problem, further complications, resolution.<P> Oh, any the shaky-cam – such as it is, because this is no DOMINO – is used where it makes sense – on the train itself, and more towards the conclusion, to give the editing a sense of escalating jeopardy. It’s beautifully photographed and edited.<P> “Overall the whole thing feels balanced, and I mean that in the very best of ways (huge props to the film's editor here). There's the "corporations are evil and would rather kill people than devalue their stock" theme, but it's not overplayed. There is shaky-cam, but not nearly so often as in Man on Fire. The protagonists have personal issues and while I question the point somewhat the quantity of those scenes isn't so excessive as to deter from the reason we came to see the movie, ie seeing a train flatten stuff. The train does indeed flatten and shatter various objects, but not nearly so much as in the Michael Bay version. Scott doesn't turn this into some sort of Jackass 4: The Train Skit (sit back and enjoy watching this freight train blow stuff up for 90 minutes until Johnny and the boys recover from their wounds!). Unstoppable could have been a far more boring film. Unfortunately had The Powers That Be given the 2 male leads some actions to perform in the first half of the film it could also have been much better. Overall: B+ solid but not great”<P> It’s a much better movie than this jackass makes it sound.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Fucking hell, Asi...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    "Where the fun isn't is in bullshit crap like UNSTOPABLE. To enjoy and call that shit as fun is to surrounder your ass to corporate dumbed down nonsense, it's to be their slave while paying for it, the saddest type of slavery there is."<P> HOW THE FUCK IS A TRUE STORY A PIECE OF CORPORATE DUMBED-DOWN NONSENSE?? IT REALLY FUCKING HAPPENED!! IT'S NOT A FUCKING CASH-GRAB, IT'S A TRUE FUCKING STORY!!<P> Jesus, do you even fucking READ your own stuff?? HOW THE FUCK is a true story a piece of corporate slavery?<P> you're demented. Just watch the fucking movie, then we can aruge. I've seen it twice, and I'll be going again. So, just on that basis, I know way more about what I'M talking about than you, because I'VE SEEN THE FUCKING FILM! TWICE!!<P> I look forward to you telling me why the next STAR WARS trilogy is shit, a decade before George gets round to making it. I can't believe you're this dumb!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    All those family problems that the Nu Kirk and whateverthefuck Pine plays in UNWATCHABLE are just easy cut out shallow cliche tropes from the cliché factory. It's even below shorthand, it's just nobody giving a shit about actually writing a really interesting character. To call it mundane would be a compliment it doesn't deserve. And for me, i need something far better then "train rams into shit" to make me interested. Thing is, there was a movie made before that's also about a train ramming into shit, but it was a smart and elegantly made movie called RUNNAWAY TRAIN. just because the story is about a tain ramming into shit doesn't mean the movie has to be inherently stupid, and that we should accept stupidity at face value and be cool with it. Fuck that shit, i say. Even ation can be smart, and it is the better for it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:19 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    yeah, because UNSTOPABLE is a really true depiction of the real even that's barely based upon, is it? Try reading about the real even, and then compare and contast with what's depicted in the fucking movie. No, thyou cna't excuse the movie with "but it's based on real events". it's BARELY based on real events, so barely it's pratically a whole fictional story. I'm not brainwashed by dumbed down lazy corporate moviemaking for me to shallow that bullshit excuse wholesome. Give me a break. The fucking movie could had been set in space, for all it resembles the real events.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Hell, the movie should had been set in space

    by AsimovLives

    If you are going to bullshit about a real event, you might as well do it in style. Make real spectacle, instead of just reusing the same old tired action cliches that were already old and unbearable in the 1980s.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    "I look forward to you telling me why the next STAR WARS trilogy is shit, a decade before George gets round to making it."<br><br>Where the hell did you extrapolate that shit from? I like SW. Well, RETURN OF THE JEDI i consider it a good movie as long it has anything to do with the fucking teddy bears. I don't consider the SW movies to be the end all of all things cinema, as the fanboys do. I have seen abd like better moves then any of the SW movies. No, i don't rate them as high as the fanboys do. I rate them high, but not that high. I have seen better. Deosn't mean i don't get a kick out of them. and they are proper fun entertaiment, instead of the fucking corporate dumb action bullshit that Tony Scott and others like Michael Bay and Jar Jar Abrams excel at.<br><br>And i'm not going to extend this duscussion with you anymore. Obviously you really like this type of movies and you defend them like a damsel in distress. At least we do agree that Shia LeBeuf is terribly over-exposed, and, hopefully, that TRASHFORMERS 2 is beyond defense.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:42 a.m. CST

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    "And for me, i need something far better then "train rams into shit" to make me interested. "<P> You see, if you'd actually watch the movie BEFORE telling me what's wrong with it (which is fucking nonsensical, even for you, Asi) you'd realise that this movie is far more about the drama of trying to stop a runaway train at 70mph than it is about ramming trains into shit. It's about the stupidity of corporate decision making, and about the integrity and bravery of the blue-collar workers when human lives are at stake. It's about people making a decision that will cost them their jobs (and possibly their lives) but will, in the end, save thousands of lives. "trains ramming into shit" doesn't remotely begin to describe this movie. But then, UNTIL YOU WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS IN THE MOVIE??<P> The reason you are no longer extending this discussion with me is because I'm making too much sense. You're trying to describe to me the structural problems of a movie YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YET! Which is obviously completely stupid. So, it's probably best you DON'T continue this discussion, because it's REALLY making you look stupid.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Asi

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    ""I look forward to you telling me why the next STAR WARS trilogy is shit, a decade before George gets round to making it."<P> Where the hell did you extrapolate that shit from?"<P> To illustrate the stupidity of you trying to tell me what#'s wrong with a movie that I HAVE seen, and you have not. It's like you trying to tell me what is wrong with a movie that doesn't exist yet. Until you see a movie, you can think it may be shit, based on whatever factors you wish to consider. But you CANNOT say for certain that UNSTOPPABLE is shit for all the reasons you have mentioned until you WATCH THE FILM. Anything else makes you look dumb. Sorry, but it does.<P> As for it resembling the real event - hey, read it yourself:<P> http://koh lin.com/CSX8 888/z-final-report.htm <P> But you won't know until you watch UNSTOPPABLE how close the real event is to the screen story. From a man who's seen it twice - it's PRETY FUCKING CLOSE.<P> I do agree that Shia LeBeouf is a terrible actor, way over-indulged by a seemingly insane Spielberg, and that the TRASHFORMERS movies can only be lauded for ushering the supernaturally beautiful Megan Fox onto our hallowed screens...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    i have better things to do then watching UNSTOPPABLE, a movie i know for certain is shit and that would be a waste of my time and pacience. I rather reserve my time for better stuff that catches my interest. I'm done with this type of bullshit movies like UNSTOPABLE and the typical Tony Scott crap. I still love his first movie, THE HUNGER, and i think TRUE ROMANCE and REVENGE are quite pretty good movies (and to some extend MAN ON FIRE), though. I wish that Tony Scott was always the director who made those movies, instead of the idiot who made TOP GUN, DAYS OF THUNDER, SPYGAME, THE FAN and DOMINO.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    And by the way, you are not proved an idiot by not liking dumb ass shit.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Asi

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    "UNSTOPPABLE, a movie i know for certain is shit"<P> The only way you can know for CERTAIN a movie is shit is to watch it. You can ASSUME a movie is shit, believe it is, wish that is it, or even say that it is - but you don't know what you are talking about if you have NOT seen the film.<P> Sounds pedantic, but actually it's a pretty important point.<P> It's not DOMINO, it's not MAN ON FIRE, it's not TRUE ROMANCE - it's something new for Tony Scott: a true-life, realistic thriller. And it's the best looking movie he's made in years. But you won't know that, because you are unburdened by such things as facts, knowledge, first-hand accounts, or anything as important as actually WATCHING the movie. Saying you know for certain that UNSTOPPABLE is shit is like saying you know for certain THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is going to be shit: you can surmise, imagine, believe, assume, insinuate, even accuse it of being shit - but until you have seen it with your own eyes, your opinion is invalid.<P> This seems fairly obvious to me...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:05 a.m. CST

    TRAIN RAMS SHIT: THE MOVIE

    by AsimovLives

    Starring Nu Kirk and Denzel cashing a paycheck.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST

    DENZEL CASHES A PAYCHECK: THE MOVIE

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:06 a.m. CST

    CHRIS PINE FORCED INTO STARDOM: THE MOVIE

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    PSYCHIC WARRIOR - THE MOVIE

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Starring AsimovLives as a guy who can review a movie, plot point for plot point, BEFORE HE FUCKING SEES IT!! Because, y'know, he remote views them first...<P> Directed by Tony Scott; produced by JJ Abrams.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Saving Private Ryan??????

    by Courtjezter

    Since when was that a true story, based on real people??? Just saying

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST

    To get in on the argument

    by Courtjezter

    If you judge the overall quality of a movie by it's trailer or a plot synopsis then you are going to miss some real treats. I avoided watching Good Will Hunting and The Shawshank Redemption for years based on poor trailers or a boring sounding plot synopsis. How wrong was i. By the way i loved Man on Fire, i wash Jack Bauer had been as hardcore as Creasy, it would certainly have made the last few seasons of 24 more watchable.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Courtjezter - here ya go!

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Niland_bro thers <P> SAVING PRIVATE RYAN is loosely based on the story of the Niland brothers. Here's a basic overview of it. Interesting stuff...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Courtjezter - Annoying thing is...

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    ...The trailer for UNSTOPPABLE is one of those really annoying ones that does two things wrong - one, it makes us believe that the train full of schoolkids is the main jeopardy of the movie (it really isn't - the imminent vapourising of an entire town with a population of 750,000 people is), and two, it makes the movie look like a generic action flick along the lines of, say, SPEED - when actually it's more a procedural thriller that gets more action oriented as the situation escalates out of control. The tension is expertly ratcheted up, and a story with relatively few properly dramatic situations is made almost unbearable, thanks to the best film-makking Tony Scott has done i a very long time. Direction plus great cinematography plus awesome score plus tight-as-a-drum editing equals an excellent, realistic thriller. The trailer is very much not the movie you end up seeing. I was very pleasantly surprised :D

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    And Creasey is properly hardcore

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    To a guy with a grenade up his ass:<P> "What do I wish? I wish you had more time!". BOOM!!<P> Excellent stuff. But I think the definitive Denzel badass role has to be Alonzo Harris in TRAINING DAY. You wold NOT fuck with that guy...

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    just for the record Asi...

    by just pillow talk

    It is not acceptable to show up at your local theater dressed up as Captain James T. Kirk to go see Unstoppable multiple times.<p>Nor is handing out leaflets to fellow movie-goer's asking them to join the Chris Pine Fan Club acceptable.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck about a train.. TELL US ABOUT BATTLE LA!!!

    by bongo123

    seriously a trailer for one of my most anticipated movies and no mention of anything!!! WTF!? tony scott moves are a dime a dozen and almost always enjoyable enough downloads but come on, more info on Battle LA ffs

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Scott does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Wow, this thread really turned into the Spud and Asi show!<p> Spud, I will certainly see UNSTOPPABLE (prob as a rental) and thanks for the recommendation. I don't think Tony Scott is a hack director in fact far, far from it.<p> His filmography is very consistent - the smoky visual style, the claustrophobic closeu-ps where you can almost taste the sweat on his characters, the hard-hitting action beats. He makes manly movies - there's a lot of testosterone there.<p> I named my fave flicks of his already but even his lesser movies like ENEMY OF THE STATE and DEJA VU are pretty damn well put-together films.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Just a note on the "cliched family drama" Asi,

    by smatt584

    Divorce rates are well above 60%. Welcome to reality. It's easy to bitch about "shallow cliche tropes", but why don't you tell me what makes for a realistic depiction of a married man today? When most married men today are divorcees or on their way to becoming one, this has become the standard for reality and for two men who have absolutely nothing in common, marriage problems are something they could definitely find some common ground on. I'm still personally very turned off on the premise of this movie, but knocking it for this aspect is just kinda dumb given the world we live in. It's almost like you just want to see some actual movie cliches instead of realism. How about they are both highly-trained CIA operatives who live off the coast of Maine with perfect family lives and golden retrievers who get along well with witty dialogue and wear matching sweaters with their ivy league alma mater on the front in their downtime? This is the "perfect-life" cliche of the movie world. Imperfection is realism, anything else is cliche bullshit. Sorry to disappoint. As for Tony Scott; I loved Man on Fire and fucking hated Domino. The man is capable of greatness and absolute shit, so this could go either way for me. Premise is definitely keeping me away from this one in theaters, and possibly even renting.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns, Tony Scott = me there opening day

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Domino was a fucking aborted fetus in a jar to be sure but his good shit massively outweighs the bad. <p> See Revenge, Man on Fire, Last Boy Scout, etc etc for further details.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    And this is why THE_CHOPPAH gave up on AICN

    by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK

    Ain't it Cool? No, it's not cool to have someone named "sheepf*cker" as a film critic on your site. Sorry! The fact that he's a f*cking PLANT is even less cool! Guess you guys think it's funny. Well, it's not! YOU'VE BEEN CHOPPED!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    The Social Network is SO OVERRATED

    by Autodidact

    I saw it in cinemas. I thought it was okay. But seriously I don't understand why anyone would rave about it, or feel the need to ever watch it again. It's the story of some genius guy who is socially smart enough not to trust anyone, and dicky enough to allow people to screw themselves over.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Social Network is a Lifetime Made for TV Movie at best

    by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK

    but it does got Asian ta tas so CHOPPAH gives it a "Semi" rating.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    I'll hire you to direct it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    spud_mcspud_returns

    by AsimovLives

    I think creasy is Denzel at his most badass, and sure tops over Alonzo in TRAINING DAY. Alonzo didn't striked me as a badass but mroe of a fucking psychotic traitous cunt who attacks people unawars by getting their confidence first and stabbing them in the back. That's not a badass, that's a jerkass. Creasy is a real badass, and he's even justified in his roaring rampage of revenge. And what i liek about Creasy is that for the most part he's presented as a pragmatic badass whose actions are soemwhat realistic. But what made me really like the movie MAN ON FIRE, despiste Tony Scott's best atempt to make me fucking hate it due to the stupid editing and cinematogrpahy, was the ending, where Creasy decided to use himself as a bargain pay for the life of the girl. thank goodness for him, he was already dying, and he expires before god knows what kind of torture the mexican mafiosi would do on him. Well, at least that's how i interpert the movie, given his eyes closing at the very end. If he does survives the car ride to mee the big bad, the movie is even harsher then already is.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by AsimovLives

    Good to know that.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    Are you kidding? tony Scott pratically inaugurated The Hack Pack movement. What differenciates him from the others in the Hack Pack is that he actually made a few good movies in his rare moments of cinemsatic lucidity. But the man is a hack. A few exceptions does not isempt him from his usual filmmography. I gained soem sympathy and i was starting to liek him in the early/mid 90s, when it seems he was starting to take his career more seriously and making an effrot to actually make really good movies. It didn't last long, though, sad to say. Bullshit like DOMINO is not an exception in Tony Scott's career, they are the rule, it's his apotheosis, pure undistilled unhinged Tony Scott. And it's a sorry spectacle.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK

    by AsimovLives

    THE SOCIAL NETWORK is a real movie. That's what a real movie looks like. It doesn't ned action and flashy crap cinematography to tell an engaging story. In fac,t bullshit action movies liek tony Scott makes are not real movie,s they are over-extented music videos that tire the pacience and endurance of anybody who truly loves cinema and pays from their own money to watch them.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Does anybody actually like Tony Scott's style?

    by cgih8r

    I liked Top Gun back when he didn't have the shaky trippin on acid color oversaturated look. Which is still kind of a recent thing for him. He should drop it and try something new for a change.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives: Your critique of Pine Kirk

    by onezeroone

    I may not have read entire exchange, but all the earlier critiques [shallow cliche et al] stem more from piss poor writing than acting, which I thought was the point of argument, unless my comprehension skills have nosedived much worse than I thought they had.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, there's an alternate extended ending to MAN ON FIRE which I actually like better than the ending they went with.<p> In it the dying Creasy does get taken to the big bad's villa and after a cool one liner from Denzel (referencing his speech to the nun earlier - 'do you ever see the hand of god in what you do') he self detonates his 'anus bomb' and blows the mobsters up! You can see a bit of it here:<p> http://tinyurl.com/2vbz9ht

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Wasn't there some dude named "The GoatFucker"?

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Are they one in the same? Bah ram ewe billy!

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    It's Denzel...

    by UncomfortablyInLoveWithHitGirl

    which means I spend 10 bucks no matter what.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Asimov Lives:

    by Fist Dirtbox

    You sir, are a MORON who needs to work on his English language skills before pontificating about the merits of films, and the performances therein, made in the English language.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    I think the ending of MAN ON FIRE is perfect as it is. I saw the "alternative ending" and it's all kinds of wrong and dumb. No, man, the movie ending is just right and it is the ending it should had. On that regard, the filmmakers did the right thing. That melancolic mood ending is exactly the mood the movie need to end on. Instad of that farsical bomb up Denzel's ending stuff, that's ridiculous and embaracing like hell.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Fist Dirtbox

    by AsimovLives

    And you are a moron because you can't speak portuguese, my native language. I'd like to see how smart you would look lime trying to speak portuguese, dumbass. Nazi grammars like you make me laugh, yet i bet you always mistake they're for their and two for too. Give me a break and go bug somebody else, boy.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    onezeroone

    by AsimovLives

    A fe wmonths ago i wouldn't disagree with you. I would say that indeed the problme was the script, and that Pine was just acting whatever was in the script and taking it as gospel, regardles of result. A few months ago, i would go with that. today, i have my doubts, today i think part of Nu Kirk's bad character and his irritating assholeness is not just the writers' faults, though they still have to bear most of it.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    UncomfortablyInLoveWithHitGirl

    by AsimovLives

    a few years ago i would say the same about any movie with Denzel. until he came the go to boy for every each Tony Scott movie that doesn't feature a female bounty hunter as lead. And frankly by now i'm getting fed up of the Denzel-Scott combo. I'm ever getting fed up of Denzel myself, a thought which 7 years ago i would find impossible.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    i love tony scott

    by GenerationMTV

    he is the man. i could write essays on why his style is awesome. domino is my favorite movie of all time. the visuals in that film are revolutionary. same with man on fire, which is a classic and one of denzels iconic performances up there with glory, malcolm x, training day, etc. the thing about domino is its about a real woman, Domino Harvey, who was a drug addict (and overdosed two months before domino came out). she hung with bounty hunters who were all on coke and meth. tony hung with them during his research for the film. tony has also done drugs in his life time. he knows how people see when they're on mescaline/schrooms (the drug of domino's plot). the visuals of domino represent what your vision would be like if you done those drugs. tony created a visual aesthetic in man on fire/domino that has since been copied on CSI, commercials, music videos, etc. he is a genius. even back when he first started his style was beautiful. he toned it down with deja vu, pelham 123, and unstoppable with less crazy colors and no text on screen ot white flashes, but he still uses freeze frames and zoom ins effectively. he is one of the most interesting visualists working today and what makes him NOT a hack is the fact that all his films have great character. theres a reason denzel keeps working with him. certain actors like denzel, christian bale, ed norton, sean penn, etc. dont take paycheck jobs. they need a script/character they can bite into.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    more on domino

    by GenerationMTV

    the story in that film is kinda crazy and back and forth and comedic in a dark Tarantino kinda way (brilliant script by Richard Kelly) but it has layers. first its about a british girl (domino harvey) who had a model mother and actor father and a chance for an modeling career and threw it away to hang out with bounty hunters and drug addicts. its a TRUE story. tony scott was FRIENDS with the real domino for years. she was like a daughter to him and he warned her to quit the life. she became a drug addict and became very cold and hard. the movie ignores certain facts like her being a lesbian but does add fictional stuff like the subplot about Monique's character needing to steal the money for her sick granddaughter (touching on the Universal health care issue). mickey rourke gave a super badass performances and gives my favorite movie quote of all time when consoling a teary eyed and angry edgar ramirez who is heart broken over keira knightley not loving him back ("we all get weak over women, we all get weak over women") as the camera shows a tattoo of a woman on rourke's back we can only assume was his wife. hauntingly sad and beautiful music plays over that scene. then on top of that you have chris walken doing his thing in a hilarious small role as a reality TV producer, the guys from 90210 playing celebrity hostages, the Point Break homage with the 'First Ladies' masked robbers, and the out of left field conclusion with the non english speaking and mostly useless Arabic guy saving them all in the Vegas shootout (which itself is an homage to tony's True Romance climax). its truly a funny, dark, entertaining, action packed, fast moving, and visually stunning gem that could be seen as either a sloppily shot tarantino/smokin aces ripoff stoner flick with only cult fans OR as a twisted and unique love letter tony made for a female friend of his who lived a crazy life, found family in a dysfunctional group of misfits, and died way too soon. i dont care what anyone says about DOMINO (a film i hated when i first saw it), the more you watch it and study it the more it grows on you.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    BIGGEST HACK DIRECTOR TODAY!

    by BradZuhl

    Tony Scott only misses out on being the biggest hack director working because Michael Bay and Brett Ratner are still alive.

  • Nov. 9, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    MORE LIKE UNWATCHABLE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Domino gave me a seizure and my popcorn went flying. Scott owes me $6.50.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Spud Mc Spud returns

    by Courtjezter

    I knew the Saving Private Ryan Story was loosely based on some real life actions. My actual point was around you trying to defend that real heroes don't make good movie heroes. They generally don't. What we get in the film is a fictionalised version of someone who shares a name and some life events with a real person. The same goes for movie villains based on real people. The movies will, in most occasions, obliterate anything that shows the hero in a poor light and again with the villain redeeming factors are also skimmed over.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Courtjezter

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    I see what you're saying - but then, any real-life story filmed as it really is would be boring, wouldn't it? Just by condensing time and editing, by rearranging narrative (as happens in many documentaries) any movie is changing the real story - just by viewing it through a lens, even, But I do take your point - certainly stuff like THE PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS tends to ignore the less favourable aspects of the lead character's personality, while extolling the postive.<P> Do I agree with this? As long as the integrity and truth of the story is intact, and the liberties taken aren't TOO large, then yes, I'm in favour. You could argue that UNSTOPPABLE's true story would be better served as a procedural documentary - but it wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun as this film is. Tony Scott is back in the game with this movie - and special mentions go to Harry Gregson-Williams (long-time Scott collaborator, also did the score for MAN ON FIRE amongst others) for the incredible score, and Ben Seresin, the director of photography, for making run-down working class districts look so great.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    BradZuhl

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Wash your mouth out, son. Tony Scott is far too great to be included with those asshats. Realign your perspective.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST

    GenerationMTV

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    I'd agree that Tony Scott knew EXACTLY what he was doing with MAN ON FIRE and DOMINO, but here's the problem - DOMINO is TOO fast-cut to be comprehensible. You're writing, I assume, from the point of view of a film studies student, and from that perspective I'd agree - you can write reams and reams on how Scott shot DOMINO through a drug-fuelled perspective on camera, and it may have worked, if not for the fact that the film is nigh-on incomprehensible thanks to going over the top with the druggy visuals. We still need to have a narrative to follow, and we need to be able to see that story play out - DOMINO screws that up royally. One static shot of Keira in custody smoking a Marlboro gets superimpositions, jittery frame rates, wash outs, fades to white, superimposed sound - WHY? It's the story OF a drug addict, who was also a bounty hunter - I'm interested in the character, not how it feels to BE the character! Tony Scott is an incredibly accomplished visualist, that's unarguable - we need ad directors of his calibre these days, instead of all these identikit car ads with added SFX for the kids too jittery to wait for TRASHFORMERS 3 - but ad sensibilities don't always translate well to the screen. Yes, you can see what he was trying to do with the movie DOMINO, and it was an interesting take on the story - but in the end, too fast cut and so concerned with the look of the film over the content that it turned off a large part of the audience. Scott must have understood and taken this on board, because he hasn't made anything that's nearly so fast-cut or tricked-out visually since then.<P> UNSTOPPABLE could be Scott's best since THE LAST BOY SCOUT. Propulsive, exhilarating film-making, driven by not just the cinematography but also the editing, the score, the performances, and best of all - by an understanding of how to take what could have been a very boring story, and through the prism of his considerable skills as a primarily visual film-maker, taking that story and making it tense, gripping and thoroughly enjoyable. THIS is where Scott needs to keep making his movies - not in the haze of experimental film-making that gave us DOMINO, but in the hands of a man who knows EXACTLY what skills he has at his disposal, and knows expertly how to use them to get a story to its most entertaining and visual place.

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Asi

    by spud_mcspud_returns

    Your English is just fine. I may disagree with you on points of principle, but as a bi-linguist, you're doing just fine :D

  • Nov. 10, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Great Scott

    by Buffalo500

    I want to chime in with some love for Domino. It’s a film that gets better every time I see it, a very funny script, great characters and a visual style all of it’s own. Tony Scott is definitely one of my favourite directors, even when at his most average he still makes entertaining films, and at his best, well they speak for themselves. True Romance, Crimson Tide, Last Boy Scout, Man on Fire. It amazes me how much hatred he generates on this site.

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