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Deposed “Tonight Show” host Conan O’Brien is starting his new TBS talk show on Monday, but he’s not the biggest news in late night right now.
* For the first time since Jay Leno returned to “The Tonight Show” back in March, David Letterman enjoyed a superior weekly average, garnering both more viewers and a higher rating in the all-important adults 18-49 demo, according to the Hollywood Reporter. (Leno’s “Tonight” has also been garnering lower ratings than O’Brien was in the same slot a year ago. Is Leno still featuring those Dan Band segments?)
* “The Daily Show” for the month of October beat Leno and Letterman in the adults 18-49 demo, according to Deadline Hollywood. This is the first month ever in which any late night talk show besides “The Tonight Show” and “The Late Show” has come out on top.
Of course the mid-term elections, an appearance by the president of the United States and the Rally For Sanity And/Or Fear brought an unusual amount of help to Jon Stewart’s basic-cable comedy-news round-up -- but it does kinda make O’Brien’s new basic-cable show suddenly seem like a more viable concern.
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Either way - a year from now if Letterman is beating Leno consistently, I'll be happy
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first :D
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leno still being watched by anyone still baffles me. leno EVER being watched by ANYONE will forever baffle me.
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good choice and a stroke of genius nbc!!! snicker!!! snicker!!!
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Sorry, if you don't have the balls to make a loud, forceful proclamation of "FIRST!", sans pansy question mark, you are in fact rendered last. How many times does this have to be pointed out?
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I concur.<p> However, according to Fareal, that implicates both as bigots who can't stomach to see two black main characters in prime time.
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It will be nice to have him back on though - even if it is on TBS.
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And I'd like to see Lauren Graham guest host when he's away.
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and Lauren Graham has such a good interaction with Ferguson. She may be untapped talent as a tv host. Although I sometimes get the feeling ferguson would gladly tap her....
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ESPECIALLY under the age of 40 and after that 2nd grade powerplay against Conan? The guy is an egotistical fossil that could only possibly be appreciated by the grey haired set.
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Wish they were on a different late night show so I could watch them. Leno can go to hell and turn left.
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What a lovely thought! I'd certainly like to be first in line!
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I wouldn't know because I avoid NBC like the plague between 10:30 and 11:30! The last night Conan was host of the Tonight Show will forever be the last time I ever watch it!
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I'm guessing that after Conan's first night back, people will DVR his show whenever THE DAILY SHOW isn't a rerun.
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Here's a hint: "Fuck me Santa, Fuck me Santa, Fuck me Santa!" I bet Billy Bob tried to tap that sweet ass.
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If anybody's tapping Lauren Graham, it's me. You get whatever remains after I'm done.
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Damn, do we really have to read your interpretation of the ratings? You're hatred for Jay Leno and constant jacking off to Letterman and Conan have been duly noted...over...and over...and over again.
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ahemm, now if you will excuse me "I'll be in my bunk."-----later-----m
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It hasn't been funny at any time since he took over in 1992, and now there is no way in hell the franchise can be saved. Once Leno is gone (and at the rate he's going he'll probably die on the air of old age if he's not canceled first) there will be no more "Tonight Show". Actually, "The Tonight Show" ended when Johnny Carson retired. Since then it has been "The Jay Leno Show" under a different title. Damaged goods.
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I pre-ordered it months ago and it should arrive in the mail today. It is principally the story about the Leno/O'Brien War for "The Tonight Show". I'll probably finish it in less than a week.
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In most markets The Daily Show comes on at 11:00 and competes with the local news broadcasts. The L Boys both come on at 11:30. The real question is whether or not Colbert, who comes on at 11:30 keeps Stewarts audience and outperforms the Ls in head to head competition.<br><br> On a related note, Coming on at 11:00 should help Conan. If he can hold his audience for the full hour I would not be surprised with him staying in striking range of the Ls and even occasionally beating them.
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It's like watching two entertaining people just chatting, without that insincere-shit-to-plug crap that frequently infests other shows. And I say two entertaining people, because I swear Craig could make ANYONE entertaining. He's just that engaging a guy. If you've never seen his show, you have missed out. Fact.
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seems like Herc loves posting threads bashing Leno...Conan's gone and he ain't coming back!!...get over it...Leno gonna's be there until he really retires so no amount of ratings bashing is going to get Carson or Conan back
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The "Fuck me, Santa" scene is always the first thing I think of when Lauren Graham is mentioned. It's such an odd line; but she delivered it so convincingly, I want, to buy a Santa suit and take her, on a date.
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Letterman in his prime on Late Night. Conan taking over his show when he left. Craig Ferguson on the Late Late Show. Three insanely inventive shows by comedians taking advantage of the fact that they had little supervision. Leno has played it safe his entire television career, and as a result the only stamp he put on the genre is on of sheer years and then contract douchbaggery. The others will make the TV hall of fame for casting contributions to the medium.
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Damn mobile touch keyboard screens.
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Letterman still is good shit though. I forgot Leno was on and I will admit I've caught Fallon's show here and there too.
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Hey, fuck Jay Leno and all, but considering how Herc is constantly pointing out how the 18-34 demo is the most important, why didn't he mention it this time? Fuck it anyway, bring on CoCo. (an hour later on Comedy Network in Canada. Damn Yankees get him at 11. Looks like Conan went to 12 AM anyway in the end, at least up here)
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That's what advertisers pay for. NBC had to cut it down to 18-34 to find a demo Leno beat Letterman in. Add in the 35-49 year olds and Dave wins the 18-49 demo.
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Nov. 4, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST
There Are No Winners vis-a-vis Leno Vs Dave Vs Conan Vs Stewart:
by EmmaWatsonsWeirdAss
Lettermen should have gave it up after NBC as should Leno after the move to 10:00pm. CoCo's talking dog puppet and chubby sidekick were amusing ten years ago - now not so much. Fallon and Kimmel should be executed.
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at least, maybe before then. Hope she does guest host somebody's show, but I'd like hto see her in Gilmore Girls XXX
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...has resulted in any numbers he reports to be quite suspect at best.<P>I mean, I know he has a strong reputation of being unbiased and all... ::eyeroll::
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Nov. 4, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST
LENO USED THE CHASSIS OF A CORVETTE TO RESTORE A DIFF CAR
by Tigger Tales
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Colbert > Stewart > Ferguson > Letterman > Conan > Fallon > Kimmel > Carson Daly > Informercials > Leno
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is the most important" <p>Only if by "constantly" you mean "never."
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Take that, Coughlin's!<P>Now, go shine the firetruck!
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A strong indicator of how big Conan is going to be might come from how big The Walking Dead is. Since the changeover to digital, now everyone has cable. Without the "there's nothing better on" audience, does Jay Leno even have a career?
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Network late night is fucking bullshit. Bland, safe, boring, and stale. I hope Conan's new show allows him to go really go nuts, and I hope Stewart just continues doing what he's doing, and I hope network dinosaurs fucking choke.
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Karma's a bitch, ain't it Jay?
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he had sf giants closer brian wilson on the show<p>wilson is one of the best interviews in all of sports...cuz you never know what he is gonna say<p>well, leno couldnt have that and the entire interview was controlled from the opening<p>jay and his staff even came up with their own nick for wilson, brian (the beard) wilson<p>it was like leno had never heard of sports guys letting their beards grow during stretch runs<p>both the rome and chris rose interviews killed this one<p>leno doesnt need the money, and its sad to see him go out this way....retire jay...before they pull the plug
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Apparently not only does he have a talk show on TBS. Get this...it's been on for several years! Shocking, I know since nobody has heard about it and it's had zero impact on anything anywhere. Let's hope Conan has a bigger impact on society.
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Years ago. Stewart and Colbert have beeb *FAR* superior in every possible way to Leno and Letterman since day 1.
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You can't really compare the two beyond ratings. To say Stewart and Colbert are superior doesn't make much sense. It's apples and oranges. They center on politics and the others don't at all.
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Watching Leno has achieved the same social stigma as listening to Coldplay. Yeah, it might have been interesting when you first got into it, but now you look back and wonder what the hell you were thinking.
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Good list- flip Fallon and Kimmel, put Geroge Lopez between them (you forgot him) and I think we got a list
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I don't normally chime into the Geek Lustfest on AICN, but I feel compelled to say I would fuck Lauren Graham up one wall, down the other & swing around on the ceiling fan in the middle to cool off.<br /><br />"Lorelai, your sweatpants say JUICY on them." <br /><br />"I know, Mother. If I'd known you were coming over, I would have changed."<br /><br />"Into what? A brassiere that says TASTY?"<br /><br />Yes. Please.
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That is all.
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...the bottom 1/4 of my screen crawling with little figures pushing each other as accompanying text states something like, "The cast of Shovin' Buddies... next Conan!" every time I watch Seinfeld or Family Guy reruns.
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The AP reports that Fox News Channel beat broadcasters ABC, CBS and NBC head-to-head (not mention MSNBC and CNN) on election night: http://tinyurl.com/2dzkhkr. I, personally, don't see ratings as a reliable indicator of quality, but Herc sure seems to. So, using demonstrated Herc logic, Fox really is the best news source on TV. Wonder why this particular ratings story isn't being prominently featured in the news feed?
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now that the election is over and politics won't be on people's minds as much, let's see if he can maintain. I still believe that Conan's ratings, after his initial Honeymoon, will land him behind Leno, Letterman, Stewart, Nightline, and Colbert...
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beat CNN and MSNBC combined. Also, according to opinion polls, it's the most trusted name in news. You want to know why? They give analysis from liberals AND conservatives, and label everyone for what they are. They don't try to pretend that people are objective when they're not. They don't pass off pundits as moderates when they're not. And if someone worked for a politician, or the spouse works for a politician, they don't try to pass that person off as objective...
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Nov. 5, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST
Did you see what the disgraceful MSNBC did Election Night?
by Coughlins Laws
They had on ALL far-Left liberals, and they cackled to each other all night. They invited a Conservative Congresswoman on, condescended her, and called her a moron on Live TV. It really was disgusting. No one on Planet Earth can consider MSNBC a source of news in any way. They really are deplorable people...
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give it a rest already this post is about jay lenos sinking ratings not about your precious fixed noise network so take an ambien and chill
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the only people that watch fox are either old people or white trash rednecks which one are you coughlins
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You must be a completely miserable bastard to apply everything in life to your narrow "conservative rules/liberals suck" paradigm. Besides, shouldn't you be busy masturbating to your DVR recordings of Fox News' election night results?
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1.8 NBC Decision 2010 <br>1.5 ABC Vote 2010 <br>1.5 Fox News Election <br>1.3 CBS Campaign 2010 <br>0.9 Fox Network HQ <br>0.8 CNN Election Night <br>0.4 MSNBC Election
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Thank God for Law & Order reruns.
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Nov. 5, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
Why does MSNBC have opinion folks doing election night coverage?
by FlandersBum
Absolutely painful watching their liberal opinion folks broadcast the election results Tuesday. Dreadfully childish behavoir all night as they sulked and moaned, basically behaving like 12 year old children who can't reach the cookie jar. How about using 'straight' news folks to deliver news, and keep the opinion people doing their normal thing?
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But Dave is watchable. I hope Conan does well.
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Moron complained constantly about 'mysterious' and 'illegal' money going to the Republican party, he illegally gave money to Democrats. Good job, Oberdork.
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Nov. 5, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST
I haven't watched ANY late night since Conan's final week.
by Royston Lodge
I used to watch Conan and then switch channels to watch Craig Ferguson.<p> Now I go to sleep at a reasonable hour.<p> Have Craig Ferguson's ratings gone down since Conan was given the boot? I'd wager Conan served as a bit of a lead-in for Craig.
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Real news consumers don't watch MSNBC. Only the angry right-wingers who actually ENJOY being outraged watch MSNBC. They're like the silly quixotic left-wingers who like to call in to Rush Limbaugh so he can hang up on them.
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Republicans have only taken back power for 2 days and all they seem to care about is repealing Obama's healthcare. How about focusing on jobs? Losers.
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It was merely against NBC policy.
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i was wondering when he would fully meltdown lol. he's done it everywhere he's went. BTW JaredP...lie and project much?? i bet ur the type of wingnut that actually believes that Shultz's rally really drew 175,000 people LOL. tow that wingnut line JaredP!!!
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Watching the election coverage on network NBC versus any other station (CNN, ABC, Fox News, MSNBC etc.) was like watching the adults in the room discussing the issues versus a bunch of hyperactive tweens. When you can have Brian Williams, Tom Brokaw, and Chuck Todd doing your news, everyone else will look like amateurs.
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Hey man Stewart rules. <p> One thing I have to say is it irks me when people shit on a channel or source of where folks get their news....but NEVER say where they get their news. <p> Obviously it's good to get your news from as many sources as possible....but if you are going to take the time to shit on folks news sources at least have the balls to suggest your own supposed unbiased and higher authority news source.
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stumped for answers much?
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getting news from The Daily Show is perfectly acceptable. of course you're usually only getting the basics of the story (and then some jokes), but they cover virtually every major story that the other networks do. they don't have Olberman telling us who's the worst person, or Glenn Beck crying about idiotic conspiracy theories, but they've got the stories. <p>why not have a few jokes with your news? you know who could use stuff like that? uppity assholes in the talkbacks. (no offense)
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God knows if someone so much as farts on FOX News we'd get a two week long flame war out of it.
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as I said earlier - "Stewart rules"<p> that aside I can tell from brain's non-existent alternative news sources and his nonsensical joke about me being bitter (when I clearly didnt come off remotely anything like that) that I simply stumped him.
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You DO realize that Stewart is really just another flavor of the Beck-Olberman style commentator, don't you? They all claim to be satirists when the heat gets too high but, basically, they're all just pundits who try and use does of humor to get across their commentary. The only difference with Stewart is that he uses the humor a little more regularly.
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online unverifiable half truths/lies/obfuscations. Rumors. inuendos/random thoughts. Just because it's easy to access, doesn't make it more reliable -- for all intents and purposes it's far less reliable. Institutional media for all its faults can be at least be taken to task, which can't be said for the ubiquitious/anonymous internet.
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OK, I admit...that kinda made me laugh. (No offense, Herc!)
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18-34 means the same goddamn thing as 18-50, which you always trumpet. 34-50 is irrelevant, they're the exact same demos. <P> By constantly, I mean constantly.
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Stewart may be a pundit, but he's a pundit for satire and healthy cynicism. and most recently, rational and sensible political ideology. <p> Beck is a conspiracy theorist masquerading as a conservative. O'Reilly is a conservative masquerading as...well, ok, he's just a conservative.<p>nonw of that has much to do, however, with my original point. which was that The Daily Show has as much "news" as a "normal" news show, and many of the same stories. just with a satirical bend.
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On her show Sunday.
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If someone filtering the days events through their own viewpoint, as Stewart does, counts as "news," then Beck and Olbermann are also "news" shows. The fact that you, personally, agree with Stewart's views doesn't make his show "news" or "fact." It simply means that you and he share the same opinion.
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...all worth it. NBC wouldn't air it of course, but someone would probably leak it or cam it.
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Stewart's commentary may be skewed liberal, but the actual STORIES that are covered are the same everywhere. that was my point. everyone gravitates towards a news source that suits their taste, there's nowhere that's completely impartial. personally, I surf CNN an hour or so every day, I get the Seattle Times (for the NY Times crossword, I don't care for the NY Times in general) and I watch The Daily Show for laughs and a healthy dose of rational "what the fuck are these people thinking?" commentary. and that's for BOTH sides. there are crazies on both sides.<p> that said, it's telling that The Daily Shows audience is more educated, more informed, and more politically active than ANY of the other "news" shows' audiences. <p>so I guess I'm "skewed" and "biased" towards being smart, informed, and engaged? shit, you caught me.
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There are people that get their news from Jay Leno, too. What about them?
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Nov. 6, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST
If Jay Leno dies mid-episode, his last words would be:
by Doctor_Strangepork
"Stay tuned for Jimmy Fallon..."
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Seriously. Surveys have shown people who regularly watch Fox News have a distorted vision of reality compared to Americans who consume their news from other news channels. 40% of Fox News viewers surveyed believed they found WMDs in Iraq. And 60% believed Saddam was working with Al Qiada. While the averages from other news stations were basically less than 10% for both answers. This is why Fox News is the worst news channel, because it isn't a news channel at all. They do no try to inform their viewers rather they try to make them stupider and more ignorant or reality. Fox News is just a racist homophobic propoganda unit for Republicans. But to be fair the rest of the American news channels aren't much better. BBC and Al Jazeera shame them all.
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Nov. 6, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST
So Herc, you're saying that all that matters to you is
by Coughlins Laws
people aged 18-49? What should we do to people after they turn 50? According to you they are irrelevant. I believe this is called "Agism". Well, it's a good thing you support Obama, then. He seems to be happy letting old people die. Remember when he told that lady at a Town Hall Obamacare debate that "sometimes you should just give your Grandma a pain pill" instead of letting her have life-extending surgery?<p>But seriously, why do you have such disdain for anyone over 49? Aren't your parents over that age? Do you find them "irrelevant"? When you turn 50, will you be OK with everyone deciding any opinion you have is "irrelevant"? The funny thing is, though, that extremist liberals like you are really anti-corporation, but suddenly you seem to only care about the bottom line of advertisers. You'd like to just ignore a huge section of the population. I hope for your sake that someone cares more for you when you turn 50 than you seem to care about 50 year olds...
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Nov. 6, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST
Nabster, they DID find WMDs in Iraq, just not in the huge
by Coughlins Laws
quantities that the CIA believed. Also, there WERE al-Qaeda training camps in Iraq before we invaded. Just because MSNBC didn't cover it, doesn't mean it's not true. In fact, I think it's shocking you didn't know this...
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Nov. 6, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST
Plus, I've seen the polls you're alluding to. The question wasn'
by Coughlins Laws
"Did we find WMDs in Iraq". It was, "Do you believe Iraq has WMDs". Not finding them is NOT the same as them not having them. We know for 100% certainty that he DID have them because he's used them on his own people. We know that there were many mass graves with bodies with no bullet holes. You see, I have the ability to put 2 and 2 together. I know that Saddam Hussein had WMDs in the past cause he's used them, I know that Saddam Hussein kicked UN Mandated Weapons Inspectors out of his country for 3 years, I know that Saddam offered ZERO PROOF he disbanded the programs and destroyed the WMDs, I know he ACTED like he had WMDs, and I know that top Iraqi brass has admitted they lied to Saddam about how many WMDs they still had. You have to be able to use critical thinking. Why would the CIA, British Intelligence, Australian Intelligence, the UN, Bill Clinton, AlGore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, The US Congress, The British Prime Minister, etc, etc, etc, ALL believe that Saddam STILL had WMDs if they weren't in the country?
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was always meant to be inferred as nukes. He was the new Hitler remember? Except he was just another tin-pot dictator that the US is happy to do business with, whatever they are doing to their own people. 150 000 dead civilians. One-hundred and fifty THOUSAND DEAD CIVILIANS AND COUNTING because idiots like you fell for it.
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News to me, and just about every other person with a working fucking brain cell on the fucking planet. They were looking for nukes. There were none. Coughlins, you've just proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, that you're a stupid fucking idiot.
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This is it. Leno and Letterman have aged so poorly, not just themselves but their comedy. Conan, Stewart and Colbert are the new guys even though they're on cable. Ferguson is great and Fallon is good, but they won't ever receive too much notice.
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