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Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment & AICN Want To Give You A Copy Of The Magnificent ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-Ray Set!!

Published at: Nov. 3, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

Merrick here...
...with a chance for AICN readers to snag one (1) of three (3) copies of the super-fantabulous ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-Ray set from the excellent folks over at Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment. We can't thank them enough for facilitating this opportunity - we really do appreciate their thought and effort.
That's not me in the unboxing video, by the way. This set is, quite simply, a must have for both Geeks and anyone remotely interested in film history in general. It's startlingly comprehensive (including all of the material available on the previously released on the ALIEN QUADRILOGY DVDs , the ALIEN LEGACY set which came before that, and preceding laserdisc issuances of the films), a newly de-censored documentary on the making of ALIEN 3 (the version available on the QUADRILOGY DVD set was...forcibly abridged...when previously released. I truly respect Fox & Co. for finally making this right...), and a flood of new supplemental material as well.
Predictably, all of these movies look fantastic on Blu-Ray. I personally was most impressed by the mastering of ALIENS (you'll be hard-pressed not to say "Wow...") and ALIEN 3, although I'm sure opinions will differ. And, by the way, if you like these films and have never taken the time to watch the extended ALIEN 3 cut (i.e. the "Restored Workprint Version")? It's very much worth your time - the depth, substance, and vibe of the picture are much more effective than what we got in theaters. It's very compelling in many regards, and a more rewarding film all the way around. Check it out. ALIEN RESURRECTION, on the other hand? I don't know. Never bought into the tone of that movie. Many people stomp on ALIEN 3 as being the problem child of the (proper) ALIEN franchise. And, admittedly, it is imperfect. But for my money, RESURRECTION is actually the dodgiest of the lot. What do you think? Here's a rundown of what you'll find in the set...
Alien 1979 Theatrical Version 2003 director's Cut with Ridley Scott Introduction Audio Commentary by director Ridley Scott, writer Dan O'Bannon, executive producer Ronald Shusett, editor Terry Rawlings, actors Sigourney Weaver, Tom Skerritt, Veronica Cartwright, Harry Dean Stanton and John Hurt Audio Commentary (for Theatrical Cut only) by Ridley Scott Final Theatrical Isolated Score by Jerry Goldsmith Composer's Original Isolated Score by Jerry Goldsmith Deleted and Extended Scenes MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream
Aliens 1986 Theatrical Version 1991 Special Edition with James Cameron Introduction Audio Commentary by director James Cameron, producer Gale Anne Hurd, Alien effects creator Stan Winston, visual effects supervisors Robert Skotak and Dennis Skotak, miniature effects supervisor Pat McClung, actors Michael Biehn, Bill Paxton, Lance Henriksen, Jenette Goldstein, Carrie Henn and Christopher Henn Final Theatrical Isolated Score by James Horner Composer's Original Isolated Score by James Horner Deleted and Extended Scenes MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream
Alien3 1992 Theatrical Version 2003 Special Edition (Restored Workprint Version) Audio Commentary by cinematographer Alex Thomson, editor Terry Rawlings, Alien effects designers Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff, Jr., visual effects producer Richard Edlund, actors Paul McGann and Lance Henriksen Final Theatrical Isolated Score by Elliot Goldenthal Deleted and Extended Scenes MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream
Alien Resurrection 1997 Theatrical Version 2003 Special Edition with Jean-Pierre Jeunet Introduction Audio Commentary by director Jean-Pierre Jeunet, editor Hervé Schneid, Alien effects creators Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff, Jr., visual effects Supervisor Pitof, conceptual artist Sylvain Despretz, actors Ron Perlman, Dominique Pinon and Leland Orser Final Theatrical Isolated Score by John Frizzell Deleted and Extended Scenes MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience with Weyland-Yutani Datastream
Making the Anthology (Disc Five) The Beast Within: Making Alien The Visualists: Direction and Design Truckers in Space: Casting Fear of the Unknown: Shepperton Studios, 1978 The Darkest Reaches: Nostromo and Alien Planet The Eighth Passenger: Creature Design Future Tense: Editing and Music Outward Bound: visual effects A Nightmare Fulfilled: Reaction to the Film Enhancement Pods Superior Firepower: Making Aliens 57 Years Later: Continuing the Story Building Better Worlds: From Concept to Construction Preparing for Battle: Casting and Characterization This Time It's War: Pinewood Studios, 1985 The Risk Always Lives: Weapons and Action Bug Hunt: Creature Design Beauty and the Bitch: Power Loader vs. Queen Alien Two Orphans: Sigourney Weaver and Carrie Henn The Final Countdown: Music, Editing and Sound The Power of Real Tech: visual effects Aliens Unleashed: Reaction to the Film Enhancement Pods Wreckage and Rage: Making Alien3 Development Hell: Concluding the Story Tales of the Wooden Planet: Vincent Ward's Vision Stasis Interrupted: David Fincher's Vision Xeno-Erotic: H.R. Giger's Redesign The Color of Blood: Pinewood Studios, 1991 Adaptive Organism: Creature Design The Downward Spiral: Creative Differences Where the Sun Burns Cold: Fox Studios, L.A. 1992 Optical Fury: visual effects Requiem for a Scream: Music, Editing and Sound Post-Mortem: Reaction to the Film Enhancement Pods One Step Beyond: Making Alien Resurrection From the Ashes: Reviving the Story French Twist: Direction and Design Under the Skin: Casting and Characterization Death from Below: Fox Studios, Los Angeles, 1996 In the Zone: The Basketball Scene Unnatural Mutation: Creature Design Genetic Composition: Music Virtual Aliens: Computer Generated Imagery A Matter of Scale: Miniature Photography Critical Juncture: Reaction to the Film Enhancement Pods MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience to Access and Control Enhancement Pods
The Anthology Archives (Disc Six) Alien Pre-Production First Draft Screenplay by Dan O'Bannon Ridleygrams: Original Thumbnails and Notes Storyboard Archive The Art of Alien: Conceptual Art Portfolio Sigourney Weaver Screen Tests with Select director Commentary Cast Portrait Gallery Production The Chestbuster: Multi-Angle Sequence with Commentary Video Graphics Gallery Production Image Galleries Continuity Polaroids The Sets of Alien H.R. Giger's Workshop Gallery Post-Production and Aftermath Additional Deleted Scenes Image and Poster Galleries Experience in Terror Special Collector's Edition LaserDisc Archive The Alien Legacy American Cinematheque: Ridley Scott Q&A Trailers and TV Spots
Aliens Pre-Production Original Treatment by James Cameron Pre-Visualizations: Multi-Angle Videomatics with Commentary Storyboard Archive The Art of Aliens: Image Galleries Cast Portrait Gallery Production Production Image Galleries Continuity Polaroids Weapons and Vehicles Stan Winston's Workshop Colonial Marine Helmet Cameras Video Graphics Gallery Weyland-Yutani Inquest: Nostromo Dossiers Post-Production and Aftermath Deleted Scene: Burke Cocooned Deleted Scene Montage Image Galleries Special Collector's Edition LaserDisc Archive Main Title Exploration Aliens: Ride at the Speed of Fright Trailers and TV Spots
Alien3 Pre-Production Storyboard Archive The Art of Arceon The Art of Fiorina Production Furnace Construction: Time-Lapse Sequence EEV Bioscan: Multi-Angle Vignette with Commentary Production Image Galleries A.D.I.'s Workshop Post-Production and Aftermath Visual Effects Gallery Special Shoot: Promotional Photo Archive Alien3 Advance Featurette The Making of Alien3 Promotional Featurette Trailers and TV Spots
Alien Resurrection Pre-Production First Draft Screenplay by Joss Whedon Test Footage: A.D.I. Creature Shop with Commentary Test Footage: Costumes, Hair and Makeup Pre-Visualizations: Multi-Angle Rehearsals Storyboard Archive The Marc Caro Portfolio: Character Designs The Art of Resurrection: Image Galleries Production Production Image Galleries A.D.I.'s Workshop Post-Production and Aftermath Visual Effects Gallery Special Shoot: Promotional Photo Archive HBO First Look: The Making of Alien Resurrection Alien Resurrection Promotional Featurette Trailers and TV Spots Alien Anthology Two Versions of Alien Evolution The Alien Saga Patches and Logos Gallery Aliens 3D Attraction Scripts and Gallery Aliens in the Basement: The Bob Burns Collection Parodies Dark Horse Cover Gallery Patches and Logos Gallery MU-TH-UR Mode Interactive Experience
Amazing. On the whole, ALIEN ANTHOLOGY is quite possibly the fullest, most well-delivered Blu-Ray experience we've ever seen. I would also like to offer a heartfelt tip-of-the-hat to whoever heavily branded the menus of these Blu-Rays with Weyland-Yutani logos, etc. - but were savvy enough not to use that logo for the ALIEN RESURRECTION main menus (although I thought noticed some tiny Y-T stenciling on RESURRECTION sidebars). I was hoping The Powers That Be would go all-out and brand RESURRECTION with Walmart insignias, which would've been a licensing nightmare but quite hilarious. Instead, the United Systems Military Shield is the menu template for the forth film - more appropriate than Walmart, I suppose, given that USM are actually the foils in that one. So what do you have to do to receive this amazing product? Please follow the rules precisely. In the past we've had folks unnecessarily disqualified for deviating from the simple rules laid out below, and we hate to see that happen! ** Sometime between the time you read this and 11:59:59 AM CST USA (i.e. one second before noon CST USA) on Friday November 5, 2010, send an e-mail to me *****via the e-mail link below*****. ** You can enter four (4) times a day for the contest's duration. ** Include your name and mailing address in this e-mail. The address is to expedite prize shipment only and will be summarily discarded once Blu-Ray recipients are chosen and announced. No spam, no mailing lists, etc. ** Be sure to send from an ACTIVE (and frequently checked) E-MAIL ACCOUNT. If I try to reach you & my message bounces back? I'll trash your win and move on to the next closest winning contestant I can reach. Really not trying to be a jerk here, but I've no time to chase folks down. ** I've already pre-selected three (3) times of day between today (Wednesday November 3, 2010) and Friday November 5, 2010. The person who e-mails me at (or closest to) these times will receive 1 (one) copy of the ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-Ray set - approximately a $100 value (or more) depending on where you shop. NOTE: I've been asked this before, so...for clarity...I'm using whatever time is stamped on the Yahoo mailing address established for this contest as the determiner. I'm in Central Time USA, so I guess that's a CST time stamp (?) ** The three (3) recipients will be announced on this site 'round Monday November 8. ** You can only win one copy of this Blu-Ray. ** Contest open to U.S. and Canadian readers only. ** Fox Home Video will have your addresses in hand by Monday November 8, 2010 & have been kind enough to handle fulfillment in this contest. ** As a general FYI, you should know that...due to the number and frequency of entries...recipients in past contests were sometimes determined by matters of seconds. Literally. And that's it!

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  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    That's not me in the unboxing video

    by ChocolateJeebus

    Shame, I was about to give mad props on the Baywatch shirt.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Nice contest

    by resident01

    Awesome.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I are want

    by darksith

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Subject line?

    by resident01

    Should we have anything specific in the subject line, or will "Alien Anthology" do?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Contest open to U.S. and Canadian readers only.

    by ricarleite2

    FUCK YOU.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    resident01

    by Merrick

    Anything will do. TOTALLY determined by timing and presence of required contact info.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    If that was me in the unboxing video...

    by JDanielP

    ...I would lick it. <P>Slowly.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection...

    by KubricksBellEnd

    ...stinks. That is all...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by JDanielP

    ...only disks 1 and 2 deserve licking. :-P

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    hmmmm

    by chainsaw_shawn

    Its a nice package on blu-ray if your a fanatic. but i want just the first two and maybe the third one. the 4th i would watch once for the quality and that's it.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    by donkey_lasher

    I'll stick to the Quadrilogy thanks. <p> HD isn't as special as people make out.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Alien + another Alien = Aliens

    by treatment

    i'll type it again and again and maybe one more time... Aliens = greatest sci-fi film ever.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    HEADGEEK HAS CHOSEN HD-DVD, and here's why...

    by Valenni

    The Magnificent ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-Ray Set!! ;-)

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    HD is awesome donkey

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ....when it's done right. And in this case from what I've heard this is a great set that was in fact done right.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Winning this would totally make up for not winning

    by jim

    The Last of the Mohicans contest. Not winning this could only be compensated by winning the lottery, or maybe getting to be Ryan Reynolds for a day or two.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    this really is an awesome contest.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    a WIN would really make my day.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    No question, the turd of the 4 is Resurrection

    by I am_NOTREAL

    It's just all wrong from the get-go--the opening credits look like cake batter, the plot is clunky, and the newborn--the less said, the better. 3 is a failure, but at least it's an interesting failure. You could see the good movie in there struggling to get out, although it never quite made it, not even in the director's cut.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    DONKEY, your wrong mate

    by Valenni

    HD is like looking through a sparkling window on my 120" HD projector! DVD looks like a window covered in sh@"t in comparison!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    And another thing..

    by Valenni

    Alien looks outstanding, the transfer is as good as any modern day file. (Mastered right)

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    People who piss on bluray

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    don't have bluray

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I got it. Pretty bad-fuckin'-ass

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    It's any alien fan's wet dream squished into a little box.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I've already bought mine...

    by photoboy

    ... but it's fucking lost in the post and the cunts at Play.com won't even look into it until 21 days have passed. It was going to be my first foray into the world of Blu-Ray too.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Totally agree, Alien 3 extended is great!

    by darthwaz1

    Such an improvement and actually rounds out the trilogy now, it feels like it belongs. that movie I think was actually a good direction to go in after Aliens. A very somber movie for sure. People wanted more action/more aliens for part 3. Sort of the way ppl wanted Matrix-style action and mindless lightsaber kung fu for the SW prequels...but thats a different story!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I Love My AA Set

    by Autodidact

    Last night it was in a dark area of the room and the art was catching the light in this awesome way. Everything about this set fucking owns. Best movie purchase ever.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Hate...hate...HATE end creature in RESURRECTION

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Like most geeks, I love the first two movies for being as perfect as they are. But the third one just felt "off" for too many reasons -- like the stupid decision to kill Newt or Hicks right off the bat (and worse, off camera) to, frankly, not enough Alien for my taste. I was just bored by things, and, back in the day, the ending was RUINED for me by Weaver herself, who blabbed too much about wanting out of the franchise and wanting to make sure she couldn't come back. Which meant going in you already knew she was gonna bite it.<p>My problem with RESURRECTION was that it tried to be more like ALIENS, more running around and action, but am I the only one who just HATED the end creature? Man, to this day I STILL think that is one of the WORST monster creations ever. When that stupid thing appeared, I was like "WTF? Why is the Pillsbury Dough Boy in this?" In fact, to this day, I still can't watch RESURRECTION because I can't stand the ending of the whole fucking movie. All because of that shitty looking creature design!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    One thing that kind of irritates me about the set...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    The TRUE theatrical cut of Alien 3 isn't on it. Instead they ahve substituted a couple of shots from the extended edition into it. I don't know if it was a mistake or done on purpose for some reason.</p><p>The 3 shots I noticed, and there are probably more, are:</p><p>1) The guy scraping the air vent thing looks into the little alcove and sees the little penis-looking alien. In the original theatrical cut that was darkened way down (probably because the puppet looks stupid) so you could see some movement but couldn't tell what it was. That makes a lot more sense because now it's like "Why is he calling it the dog when it CLEARLY is not the fucking dog?"</p><p>2) Right after "85" hits the Bishop guy with the pipe, he slices half of his face off, leaving his ear dangling. This did not happen in the original theatrical cut. It changes the tone of the scene from "Those Weyland-Utani bastards!" to "Holy shit, he split his fucking head open!".</p><p>3)Crane shot spiralling down past "Bishop" as he screams 'NOOOOOO!" with his ear hanging off. Once again, instead of the poignance of the moment, we are distracted by the bizarre gore of half his face hanging off.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 Is Bad-Ass

    by Autodidact

    Aside from the final act, which itself has some strong parts, Alien 3 is a pretty goddamn worthy entry in the series. Especially if you look at the first three as a coherent "trilogy". They really closed the loop by killing Ripley... at that point everyone who'd ever laid eyes on an alien was dead, aside from the one (some say two) prisoner left alive.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    "Am I The Only One Who Hated The End Creature?"

    by Autodidact

    Actually I think the lameness of the "newborn" is one of the most unanimously agreed-upon sticking points in the series... it is a complete embarassment and (as far as big-budget sci-fi franchises go) took "not getting it" to a whole new level.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah I'm Sure Ripley Shoots Bishop 2 in The Theatrical Cut

    by Autodidact

    Right? The pipe thing is from the new 2003 cut?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Even Jeanet admits the newborn was shit

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    I watched it with his commentary when the Quadrilogy came out and he basically admitted it.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Blu Ray is shit

    by donkey_lasher

    Get these onto 35mm film and I'll show you High Definition.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    lol yea well........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    most of us don't have access to private big screens and digital projectors. blu-ray and a nice 1080p flat screen is the best we can do for now. Comparing a good quality blu transfer to even the best quality transfer of a DVD and the DVD will come up short.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    85 always hit him with the pipe

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    In the extended cut it splits his face open. In the theater i think there was a little trickle of blood but that was it.</p><p>In every way the theatrical cut is superior in my opinion.</p><p>The whole thing with Golic...I mean come the fuck on! Dude's petrified of the alien....then he LET'S IT FUCKING GO!?!? What is the fucking POINT of that whole subplot? It's just left over from the Vincent Ward version which probably would have made more sense. It's just a waste of time and one big WTF now. Best to just trim it out as the theatrical cut did.</p><p>The whole extended cut is filled with crap like that. The lice Ripley has to shave her bush to keep from getting infested by are...1" long white CRICKETS? Horseshit! And the whole oxburster scene is pathetic.</p><p>Then you got Charles S. Dutton popping up every 5 minutes with another sermon. I swear the extended cut consists mostly of about 7 extra sermons from him!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Well i got my present for today:

    by KilliK

    http://bit.ly/aiSKLf<br /> <br /> <p>Now i am waiting for my Avatar and BTTF Trilogy Special Editions to arrive. :D

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    These are fantastic.

    by vic twenty

    Just a top notch job on each one. I think of the final two as being in lock step with the great Aliens comics Dark Horse put out in the 90s (that long ago?). <p> But no doubt worth every penny of the upgrade for anyone who cares about what they are looking at. <p> And to the Blu haters, yeah, we get it - Blu is crap, Ferraris are ugly, Pizza tastes like ass, and hot girls are no fun to fuck. <p> HATE FTW!!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    BTW the DH comics were great, not

    by vic twenty

    the last 2 films, although I liked Alien3 well enough.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    There are SEVERAL HOURS of new stuff on this set

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    And it's only on Blu-ray by the way. You cannot buy the Alien Anthology on DVD.</p><p>There are 2 additional feature-length documentaries (although you could buy them seperately). Plus each film has 1-1/2 hours of extra "pods" (featurettes). there's other new stuff too, but that's the bulk of it.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Yes, show love to Alien 3

    by ewokstew

    as this version of it fully deserves.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    And why the American accent

    by ewokstew

    for the MUTHUR promo? It's suppose to be British. Details, people. Done, I suppose, though, for marketing purposes.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Contest open to U.S. and Canadian readers only

    by RichardLuzT

    Damn it.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I need to see

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    the Burke deleted scene. Can't believe more people aren't talking about it. What's it like?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    ok, just found it

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    there, saved myself a good bit of money. Some cool little bits with Drake, too.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Burke deleted scene

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    Haven't gotten around to it, but from what I understand it's only a couple of second long shot of Burke in a coccoon, so no big deal.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    cheers Fett

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    nice little scene, they must have really gone to work on Burke quickly..

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    The Burke deleted scene

    by I am_NOTREAL

    In the novelization, it was Ripley finding Burke in the hive while searching for Newt, but he's already been impregnated. He says he can feel the alien moving inside. Ripley gives him a grenade to kill hiimself and moves on. She hears the grenade explode behind her.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    WHY? THEY ARE MAKING A NEW ONE...

    by uberman

    ...and when Ridley Scotts Alien prequel comes out, will a NEW BOXED SET also come out? Thats why I never buy anthologies until the principals are d.e.a.d. or the story, like Harry Potter series, has been completed. Would you buy a 3 movie Harry Potter disc set, or would you wait until the final film has been released?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    This looks like the best box set ever

    by Anacott_Steel

    I mean wow. I didn't think I'd actually want to own Alien3, but here you go.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I remember watching Alien 3 for the 1st time

    by I am_NOTREAL

    And after Bishop was hit with the pipe, seeing his ear hanging off, while he screams "Nooo!" as Ripley jumps to her death. It looked like a really bad wound, and since it wasn't fatal, I said to myself, "WTF, does that mean he's an android?" Apparently not. Just another example of confusion created by a confused mess of a movie. But the damage and the scream as the camera moves down were definitely in the original, at least the version I saw.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I should point out

    by I am_NOTREAL

    that was in the theatrical run, and I was silently screaming also as I watched two of my favorite movies finish up getting pissed on by a heinously inferior follow-up.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    DVD vs Blu depends on screen size

    by Sonny_Williams

    On a screen smaller than 50", there's not enough difference between upconverted DVD and Blu to talk about. Over 50, especially WELL over 50, that's where you really see the improvement.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Alien3 is rubbish

    by Kaitain

    I'm sorry, but it is. Interesting rubbish, rubbish not without merit, rubbish directed by a very talented guy. But rubbish. The script is a total abortion, the premise of the movie (eggs just lying around on the Sulaco - how the fuck did they get there?) is bullshit, the offscreen deaths of Hicks and Newt stick in the craw. It simply cannot recover from its opening ten minutes.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    yeah

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    they fucked themselves with the Hicks/Newt deaths. For a while I kind of liked it cause it was a ballsy move, but as the years passed and more of the behind the scenes stories came out, it just became apparent that the whole thing was fucked by producers. That said the film has one hell of an atmosphere, unlike the fourth, which is an abomination.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Sonny_Williams, BULLSHIT!

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    You mean to tell me you can't tell the difference between SD and HD on a TV smaller than 50" at Best Buy? Dude get your fucking eyes checked before you kill somebody in your car!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Fuck off, Fett!

    by Sonny_Williams

    Don't twist what I fucking said. UPCONVERTED DVD is not SD, you cockbiting whore.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 haters

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Hate because they cry when Hicks and Newt are found dead. Its true ... they let it taint the entire movie due to being so upset. Fucking man up little cunts, its an awesome movie ... In tone its the true sequel to Alien.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Alien 3

    by donkey_lasher

    ...was a disappointment.<p> I remember an interesting article in Skeleton Crew magazine, which theorised what the next step for the Alien would be. It really got me thinking that they could have explored how a Queen is born, or perhaps introduced another breed. What we got was a hurried attempt to erase any link with the previous movie and have Ripley running for her life again.<p> Resurrection should have been so much better. I liked Ryder, and the uncertainty of Ripley's allegiance was cool. It's such a shame they introduced the newborn.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    My overall impression of Alien 3 at the theater...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    My overriding feeling was that David Fincher was an amazing visual stylist and that he would prove to be an exciting director to watch. Nailed that!</p><p>The other thing was that I found the film a bit geographically confusing when they were trying to lure the alien into the mold. I also got all the bald-headed guys confused.</p><p>I felt that Bishop was kind of wasted. I missed hicks. I mostly didn't miss Newt, mostly.</p><p>I thought the acting was top-notch, particularly by Charles dance. Kinda pissed he died so quick.</P><p>I didn't think the ending was big enough and was too similar to T2 which had just come out.</p><p>So overall I've always liked Alien 3. I just felt it was a little off target and was frankly a little too dour. It also had some odd moments when Ripley said the company "Thinks we're....crud." and when she says "It's just down there...in the basement".</p><p>I kind of think they should have stuck with Vincent Ward's vision because at least it would be coherant, but a wooden planet just makes no sense at all. It would be too fantasy for the series.</p><p>But yeah, the extended version is total dogshit.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    ALL HDTVs UPCONVERT!

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    So when you're seeing SD on an HDTV at Best Buy, you are watching upconverted SD, be it DVD or not. I'm not twisting what you are saying, I'm clarifying it.</p><p>To sum up, every single HDTV ever made upconverts ANy signal, no matter what it is, to the TV's native resolution. It just does. Now obviously some DVD players are better at doing that than the TV is, so you will get better results by upconverting it first before sending it to the TV, but it's STILL upconverted SD.</p><p>The fact of the matter is, you want to sound like you know what the fuck you're talking about but you really don't. HD looks a FUCK of a lot better than SD. Everybody but you knows it. Dems da facts boy.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I'll call BS on that too Sonny.

    by vic twenty

    I have multiple setups all over the house and even on the smaller sets the difference is more than noticeable. That does not mean I need to replace all my DVDs with Blu-rays, most don't warrant the upgrade. Just my personal experience with the format.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    No, Muppet

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I can live with the death of Hicks and Newt. I don't agree with the dramatic choice, but it's perhaps the least of the movie's sins. The worst part about it is the retroactive negative effect it has on its vastly superior predecessor. Unless you get to the point where you just pretend 3 doesn't exist (which, really, I more or less have, haven't watched it in years), the hard-won victory at the end of Aliens begins to ring hollow.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Once again though, what i SAID

    by Sonny_Williams

    was that there is "not enough difference to talk about." Is there a difference? Yes. Will I be replacing my hundreds of DVDs with Bluray? No way! But I do see a vast difference between upconversion from a Bluray player and the native upconversion of a TV. And my opinion of Bluray on smaller screens is hardly mine alone, I've seen many equipment reviewers make the same comment.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    While we're making a list--

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The whole "Alien-vision" climax in the maze loses a lot when you realize it can move like a cheetah, yet has trouble catching a shambling convict running on foot. Pretty big flaw in the internal logic, if you ask me.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Question

    by Bramton1

    When you say "four times in a day," does this mean between 12am and 12am CST or the time span of 24 hours from first email?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Dude I had 3,000 DVDs and once I saw Blu-ray I sold them all

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    My advice: Sell them now before they enter VHS status and you can't give them away.</p><p>And there is FAAAAR less difference between a HDTVs upconversion and say, a PS3's upconversion of DVDs than there is between DVD and Blu-ray. I don't know how the hell you can watch a demo of Blu-ray at Best Buy and walk away thinking the difference between DVD "isn't worth talking about". If that were the case Blu-ray wouldn't have taken off and some new titles wouldn't be selling over 50% on Blu-ray.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Watching DVD makes me physically fucking ILL!

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    I can't fucking stand SD resolution. It looks like shit. If it doesn't bother you, ask yourself why you don't watch your old VHS tapes anymore. Hell, the leap from VHS to DVD was arguably less than the leap from DVD to Blu-ray!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    for me at least...

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I must reiterate and expand upon what I said earlier. A properly transferred Blu looks superior to any dvd even at its best quality, regardless of screen size. For me at least...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but BrainDrain how can you

    by ewokstew

    make the case for zero character development in Alien 3 when there was none to speak of in Alien as well? Trust me, I know Alien is vastly superior to alien 3 in many regards but the no character development argument is not really a strong one. Just my opinion.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Valenni

    Your posts are truly hilarious! That one about Bishops face hanging off made me LOL in the real life brother!! Yeah but I actually like Alien 3 as it is an 'interesting mess'. As for Bluray vs DVD? People need to wise up, the difference is day and night!! (Reminds me of the old DD5.1 vs Stereo debates)

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    "character development" is such a nebulous thing...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    It's probably best to not even bring it up when discussing sci fi/action/horror films. I can see a case being made for some in Aliens for Ripley, but that's about it.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING GARBAGE!!!!

    by rev_skarekroe

    WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ALIEN VS. PREDATOR MOVIES!!! THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!! FUCK YOU FOX YOU FUCKING SUCK SHITT!!!!<p>Nah, I'm kidding. I don't even have a blu-ray player.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I'm really looking forward

    by donkey_lasher

    to seeing this prequel. If Scott has a creative team with him that can emulate the weirdness of that crashed spaceship, then I'm in.<p> There doesn't need to be any backstory for the jockey, as it's obviously been there for centuries. Plus no-one has any knowledge (apart from the company maybe) after the Nostromo leaves the planet. A cameo appearance would be cool though. ;) <p> As for Blu ray. I will probably get a player, but I'll be saving my money for a future Ultra HD Alien Anthology release.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I am in

    by gusw666

    3 emails so far, so desperate I wont win probably.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is about a million times better than Alien Resurrection. 3's title sequence is better than the whole of Alien Resurrection. Fincher's direction, Goldenthal's score, Cronenweth and Thomson's photography, the production design... all phenomenal. Charles Dutton is brilliant in it too. <p> The extended cut solves most, but not all, of its problems. But i'd rather take a breathtaing, flawed piece of art over a corporate hodge podge any day of the week.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I hate watching DVD as well...

    by ufoclub1977

    I can tell with the slight softness on upconverting DVD, even on a small computer monitor! I also hate that Netflix still puts out new movies for instant view in SD resolution. I tend to turn them off unless it's something really rare.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is art, I agree

    by donkey_lasher

    And the late Brian Glover was one of it's highlights.<p> On repeated viewings, I admit, I have loved it more and more. You have to accept it for what it is.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is the perfect example of what happens in a movie

    by KilliK

    when everything works fine,except the script...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is the perfect example of what happens in a movie

    by KilliK

    when everything works fine,except the script...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    My take on how the Alien got on the Sulaco...

    by PCMODEMTCG

    It takes some extrapolation, but I always figured, what with Bishop2 being evil and being the creator of Bishop1, that it seems to imply that while Ripley was rescuing Newt, Bishop was loading an egg onto the ship...remember, he was airbourne when he picked them up, so...where did he go? In any case, I think that is what was implied by Alien3,and I for one thought it was genius. In many ways I agree, 3 definately felt like it was part of the trilogy...whereas 4 just felt like the cash grab shitstain that it was....

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Alien3 = Bald guys running around

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    through dark corridors. Then getting their heads chomped. The end. The only redeeming quality of that film was the knowledge that Ripley had a shaved pussy ("I'll give you clippers and you can attend to your private parts"). If she had survived, they could have called the sequel Alien 4 : The Bush Is Back.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Space lices

    by KilliK

    they will suck you dry

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Space lices

    by KilliK

    they will suck you dry

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    The pipe and ear hang were theatrical for sure.

    by JediRob

    and that was proof that he was human, which was negated by AVP....wait....I'm sorry I brought that up. I apologize.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is severely underrated.

    by jwhj2007

    That movie is scary and dark as hell. Loved it!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Why ALIEN 3 is so great...

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    because the filmamkers went out of their way not to be redundant. they made sure to do things in a unique and interesting way. That's why the Alien didn't act like the alien from the other two movies, not capturing and cocooning, just murdering and stuff, not because it was a mistake, because it was supposed to be different. That's why Ripley wouldn't didn't check every inch of the sulaco before going into hypersleep like we all know she would have... its because shes a different kind of Ripley. very under appreciated flick.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 retarded from the word go

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    okay, so the premise behind alien 3 is that there were somehow eggs on the Sulaco that hatched while Ripley was in hypersleep. Fine, but let me ask you this... one of the first images we see in the movie during the opening credits is acid burning through the hull of the sulaco - this acid burn apparently caused the fire which caused the escape pods to launch - ok so... why was the face hugging alien bleeding? Everyone was asleep and facehuggers don't just spontaneously drip acid so.... who cut the facehugger causing it to bleed and start that fire???

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    would have been so easy just to have ripley crash land on the prison planet alone - hix and newt don't have to be in the movie fine but you don't have to fucking kill them either - they're still on the ship headed home - aliens still matters - the newt autopsy scene is like a long giant fuck you to everyone who loved Aliens - hey guys, we should kill newt off and fucking cut her open for ten minutes - people will LOVE that

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    And yes, Alien 3 is underrated

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    people call it a bad third film in the trilogy but i think its one of the worst movies ever made. very very underrated indeed.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Why Does The Ear Hang Make Him Human? I Think it Makes him a Dro

    by Autodidact

    It seemed to me like he had red blood because he was a more advanced droid. He was able to remain standing and screaming with his ear hanging off, because he was a damn android. I'm pretty sure a real person would have been face-down, unconscious, after being brained with a lead pipe so hard that it takes half the flesh off the back of your head.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Leafy...the acid

    by Autodidact

    The facehugger may have cut itself intentionally in order to help get through Ripley's cryotube by melting it with some acid. Or it may have gotten cut in the process of smashing through the cryotube to get at her.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Ah, that makes sense. like with kane's spacesuit mask in the first Alien

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST

    the acid

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    that also explains why ripley's face was all burnt to shit. I guess I could see the facehugger as being kind of emo and just cutting himself cause he was lonely and didn't understand his existence... i can relate to that as i didn't understand it either.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Ear does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Lance Henriksen in ALIEN 3 is an android.<p> He lies to Ripley and then she whacks him with the pipe and leaves him all lopsided, exactly like Parker does to Ash in ALIEN.<p> If you think he's a human then you're mistaken!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Facehugger on Sulaco Idea Supported by Aliens

    by Autodidact

    If you watch the entire end credits of ALIENS, you'll hear a facehugger skitter across the soundstage at one point. I first heard about this on the local college station a few years after Aliens came out, before Alien 3 came out.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    ... so When I saw Alien 3 on Opening Night

    by Autodidact

    I actually didn't feel ripped off by Hicks and Newt's death in that way. I was annoyed that they were killed without even appearing in the movie (at the time, now I'm fine with it), but I remember thinking "yup the guys at CFMU were right, there was a facehugger on the Sulaco!"

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    an emo one who cuts himself sometimes!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by phifty2

    Ripley didn't hit Bishop2 or whatever he is called.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Facehuggers and eggs

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    The egg was laid by the Queen inside the dropship landing gear.</p><p>Immediately before the facehugger bleeds we see the galss on Ripley's tube break. Doesn't take much brain power to assume that's how the facehugger got cut.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I always thought that was just a little joke. I honestly don't think that Cameron put it in there so a future film could somehow use the cheat of eggs on the ship for no logical reason. It's like how we hear Vader's breathing at the end of Episode I - a little Easter egg for those of us sad enough to sit through the entirety of a film's end credits.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    The alien wouldn't have coccooned

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    Becfause at the time there was no Queen to lay eggs to hatch huggers to implant a cocooned host.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    so the facehugger got cut going through the glass on Ripley's cryosleep tube. that's why it bled on the side of the tube and not on ripley at all? You're right that doesn't take much brainpower

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    so even though the alien knew ripley had a queen inside her and didn't kill her it still just murdered dudes instead of holding onto them for when the queen would lay eggs?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    why did the alien in the first Alien movie cacoon people instead of just popping their heads open??

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    The alien in the first movie DIDN'T coccoon

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    The "Director's Cut" is bullshit, even according to the director. Unless you think warriors lay eggs and those eggs fucking absorb people.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    it didn't cacoon people? then where did he put all those bodies. the alien in alien 3 seemed to have no problem murdering the shit out of guys and just leaving them around.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah It Was, but Still...

    by Autodidact

    Having it in there is cooler than not having it in there.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    We don't knw how long it takes a Queen to mature

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    Enough to lay eggs. Judging from Alien: Resurrection it seems to be several weeks. People wouldn't live that long coccooned.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    i want

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    stargate sg-1 blueray boxset instead

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    okay, so according to you then an Alien either snatches people up for cocooning and implantation purposes or if there is no Queen the Alien then just murders people at random until murdered himself. Did you write Alien 3 - come on, you can tell us?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Leafy, here is how your brain works:

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    "Aien moved bodies. That can only mean that it was cocooning them."</p><p>If you're going to go that route, then why did he take the Prison Warden through the ceiling? Must have cocooned him right?</p><p>"I didn't see acid drip on Ripley's face, therefore the facehugger spontaneously started bleeding."</p><p>*sigh*

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I'm not saying Arachnophobia is correct...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    But in that movie, yes, that's exactly what was happening. The warriors killed anyone near the nesting female to protect her.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    a movie site where people claim dvd is better than blueray

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    is really pathetic and sad.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT, here is how your brain works:

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    You seem to be really pissed...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    That the alien wasn't cocooning people for no fucking reason. What did you think it should do, go plop down in the cafeteria and wait to be petted? Besides, I'm sure it was pretty fucking hungry and Aliens don't live on fucking scooby snacks!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    you did write it though, right?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Did you write Aliens?

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    You seem to be an authority of what should and should not be allowed in it's sequel.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    i apologize, i don't mean to come off like a jerk. I just really hate alien 3 and think that you would appreciate it less if you saw the first two movies in the series

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Facehugger Instinct Is Proably to Avoid Bleeding on Hosts

    by Autodidact

    Facehuggers want the host to live until birthing, so the instinct is probably to stay away from the host until bleeding stops. <p>The alien does not coccoon people. The theatrical cuts are still canon. According to them, you need eggs to perpetuate the life cycle, and eggs come from a queen. <p>The alien is very hostile and if it can't coccoon you it will murder you viciously. That's why it kills on sight in Alien 3. Some of the Dark Horse comics and other sources state that, like many colony insects, a Xenomorph in isolation can potentially develop into a queen in order to start a new colony. Ants, bees, etc. are capable of this same thing under the correct circumstances (mainly no other queen pheremones around).

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    I've seen the first 3 Alien films at least a dozen times each

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    I've owned every version of them ever put on home video. VHS, LD, DVD, Blu-ray.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    are you serious!? Holy shit dude then what is your deal!?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    What's "my deal"?

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    "My deal" is that there is plenty of stuff actually wrong with Alien 3 without accusing it of nonsense.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    acid in alien 3

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    i enjoy your wild speculation on why there was acid on the sulaco - be it through mental telekinesis on the part of the alien making sure his blood did not apply to laws of physics etc - but I think the most obvious answer is the best - terrible movie.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Facehugger Instinct Is Proably to Avoid Bleeding on Hosts

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    yes, that makes sense, instead bleed through ship that host is on...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    It's a Terrible Movie for Dumb Fucks

    by Autodidact

    Stick to Buffy you nitwit.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    come on man, don't talk to RETURN_of_FETT that way. we can be civil

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    can we at least agree

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    that Alien 3 is the worst movie ever made. I mean there have been worse actual movies but nothing that went so far out of its way to destroy a fantastic franchise.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I think I just figured out what you are talking about.

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    You don't understand why, if the facehugger cut itself before implanting Ripley, it didn't burn her with dripping acid blood.</p><p>2 things: They may heal quickly, or, what I had assumed, it cut itself AFTER impregnating Ripley. It wasn't in the tube with her so it must have left. It then cut itself on a shard of glass while exiting and this dripped on the floor next to the tube.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    It's not even the worst Alien film

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    Alien 3 and Resurrection could fight over that title if it were not for AVP: Requiem. AKA Dawson's Creek with Aliens.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I Remember Watching Aliens With Someone

    by Autodidact

    And their big criticism of it was the "unrealistic" way blood was splashing everywhere when the pilot of the drop-ship was killed. Guess what that person was a fucking moron.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The alien franchise was already dead

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    by the time resurrection came around. what's worse, killing your prize stallion for no reason or fucking its rotting corpse four years later... i think we all know the answer

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Good to see another McPlant here! Happy sowing to you.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    alien 3 ending sucked

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_ At_AICN

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    ditto

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Newt/Hicks/Bishop dying fits Alien 3's bleak tone

    by Tall_Boy66

    Yes, it's a dark bleak movie which is a lot to say for a dark bleak series, but Ripley is left alone and the Alien has taken EVERYTHING from her. Which makes her sacrifice at the end even more cathartic.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    winona ryder was hot in alien4

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    i wouldve banged her alien ass then.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    alright AICN time to post the new Sucker Punch trailer

    by JackSlater4

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Dan Obannon said it best when referring to the sequels...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    "How many used condoms do you have to stack on the shelf?"</p><p>I laughed my fucking ass off when he said that on the new Anthology set.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Stargate Universe > Alien (1,2,3,4,5)

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    my hot girlfriend agrees.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Bishop2, Sulaco eggs

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    You can hear 85 yell "Fucking android!" just before he whacks Bishop2 with the pipe. How did he know this? Well, he's a company man so maybe he was familiar with the Bishop model and knew they were all androids. Bishop2 was a newer model with red blood - no human could go on standing let alone talking after taking a blow like that.<P>As for eggs on the Sulaco...here's a crazy theory of mine. We see the hatched egg shell lodged up on the beam. How did it get there? The Queen keeps two special eggs concealed within her head-dress armor thing. When she senses all is perhaps lost, she "shoots" the eggs from her jamboree. The eggs have a sticky coating so it attached to the beam in a place where Ripley didn't think to look (she just checked floors). Of course I'm giving the writers too much credit, they just pulled it out of their ass, but it IS fun to speculate.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by Kaitain

    The facehugger thing was only ever meant as a brief atmospheric bit of throwaway. It isn't even specifically a facehugger, it's a more generic alien kinda noise. <p> In any case, that is not an explanation. You have to explain how, specifically, an EGG got to be on the Sulaco. Not only that, you have to explain how it is stuck to the underside of a structure in the ship's interior. Placed there. *Laid* there. <p> How??

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:27 p.m. CST

    was the android totally biological or robot?

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    how was bishop different from cylons or borg?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Bishop in Alien 3 is human.

    by JediRob

    He bleeds red blood. This is one of the few things that is consistent throughout the mythology. Even in Resurrection which is even further into the future. If he was supposed to be an Android then the red blood makes no sense, as it serves no narrative purpose.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 & 4 are on par with Superman 3 & 4 and Indy 4

    by Quadrillionaire

    and should not be considered canon. Just sayin.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    if android has green blood does that make him environment friend

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    good for the environment? to satisfy liberals?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Henriksen says Bishop 2 is an android..

    by darthwaz1

    There was an interview at the time where he said he's an "advanced model" which makes sense since he's hit in the head w/a pipe, which would kill or put a normal person into a coma, but he's fine, still yelling and his ear is hanging off in an artificial way. The red/black blood is (I guess) just a newer substitute for the white stuff. Maybe Bishop 1 was an older model. This also fits in w/AVP where the original Bishop is a human.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Quadrillionaire

    by Kaitain

    And Highlander 2. <p> I tend to agree.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    AVP Bishop????? never got that one

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    how did Bishop appear in AVP??? how did he become android?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Alien3 is, in effect...

    by Kaitain

    ...high budget fan fiction. <p> If you break the logic of what has come before too much, you lose the right to be treated as canonical. <p> To repeat my oft-used example, if I make a new hundred million dollar sequel to Citizen Kane in which it's revealed that Kane was an android all along and must be reawoken to deal with a planetwide disaster, then even if Time Warner agree to it, and it has the Citizen Kane name as part of its title, and uses some of the same characters, it should nevertheless not be treated as canon. <p> Alien3 cannot be linked up logically to the preceding story. There is an insurmountable break in logic, and therefore it isn't taking place in the same narrative universe. It's some kind of "what if?" story where the initial premise requires a step that cannot be made from the canonical story.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    by phifty2

    Bishop in AvP is Charles? Weyland. They modeled an andoid after his likeness in the future films.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Turning the Alien into your typical Hollywood

    by KilliK

    serial-killer monster was one of the major stupid flaws from the A3 movie.In A1 and A2 there was a specific reason why the Aliens killed the humans when necessary. <p>In A1,if we ignore Scott's DC edition where the ridiculous scene of the half-egg/half-human Dallas is introduced,the reason that the Alien killed the crew-members was nothing else than the instinct of survival. <p>The crew wanted to capture it and naturally the Alien tried to protect itself.When Ripley got to the escape shuttle,the Alien didnt attack there,instead it was lying silent and covered in the shadows. <p>probably because it was smart enough to know that the Nostromo was going down and that the shuttle was the only way of escape.so it left Ripley alone,maybe it wouldnt have killed her at all. <p>it only attacked Ripley when she tried to get rid of him while it was sleeping.how rude. <p>in A2 the reason was again the instinct of survival.The Aliens were protecting their nest or themselves and if they got the chance they captured the humans alive to use them as the hosts for their eggs. <p>in A3 there was no fucking reason for the Alien to kill the humans.When it burst out and grew up,it started killing everyone with no apparent reason. <p>even the scenes where the Alien was supposedly protecting Ripley because she was carrying the queen embryo,dont make any sense. <p>ie when the Warden yells to Ripley to stfu,and then the Alien pop-ups in front of all the other inmates,and kills him. <p>jesus did the Alien,this perfect organism of survival,stealth and killing and enough smart to kill the lights before attacking,suddenly become so retarded that it couldnt tell when Ripley was or was not in real danger and risked its cover to kill someone because he was simply yelling? wtf is this shit? <p>i ll tell you wtf this is: your Hollywood not knowing what are the properties they own and how to handle them.thus the Alien becoming another Freddy Krueger,another Pinhead and so on.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    KilliK

    by Kaitain

    "it only attacked Ripley when she tried to get rid of him while it was sleeping.how rude." <p> Explain.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    In the Dark Horse AvP comics,

    by KilliK

    there was a group of military androids which had red colored "blood" instead of the white one,because they were more advanced and they had that colored blood so that they dont disturb the humans because of the Uncanny Valley Effect. <p>btw any info on what exactly was that milk-ish blood the Bishop and Ash androids had and what was the purpose of it? i dont think it was some kind of oil and it was not definitely organic since the androids didnt have organic parts. <p>so wtf was it?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Kaitain what to explain?

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST

    so if the Alien had come out from Jenna Jameson

    by KilliK

    it would start sucking and fucking because it would be enjoying it.right.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Him as an android is justy lazy revisionist bullshit.

    by JediRob

    The movie is the only thing that's canon, and he is a human. Very clearly.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Egg on the Sulaco

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    ok geniuses...The Queen came with them to the main ship at the end of Aliens...so it had access to the Sulaco...the hugger implanted a queen into Ripley but didn't die...must mean it's a special egg that the queen carries with her...it was VERY small if you remember...so this special egg that the queen carries with her can implant two embryos...first one a queen...second one a regular alien to be her hunter...problem was that the regular seed was planted into a dog so the gestation took less time so the hunter alien hatched before the queen and was unaware that it needed to start cocooning people...it only knew that ripley has an alien inside her not what kind

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    He's an android..

    by darthwaz1

    A human couldn't withstand a wrench blow to the head like that and still be conscious let alone yelling at ripley. There's no way Bishop 2 is a human he's an advanced android.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    white blood = coolant

    by AzzyAzzy

    yw

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    yeah its called the Backup Egg or Emergency Egg

    by KilliK

    the Alien Queen usually carry it in their ass,in case their nest with the eggs is completely eradicated and there is no time to hatch a new one.They simply pull it out from their ass,they shake it well,then they break it and voila you got two new creatures in the prize of one: a facehugger and an alien hunter.<br /> <p>JESUS.just admit already that A3 is a series of pure fails and nothing else,instead of trying to repair the fucked-up job the retarded scrip-writers did for the movie.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Agree, the queen has a last resort "emergency egg"

    by darthwaz1

    If she thinks she's gonna die, she can live on by releasing her last egg, which is a queen also...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    darthwaz1 gets it...killik not so much

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    of course the Queen would have a way to drop another Queen egg when it believes it's close to death...it not only makes logical sense but evolutionary sense...how else would this species prevent itself from going extinct?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 9:58 p.m. CST

    maybe the queen is decided by the drones.

    by AzzyAzzy

    that would make WAY more sense. you kill one queen before it can egg pop a replacement..game over. meanwhile if you have to kill *every* drone, which could be capable of generating a, oh let's say, "royal jelly" that could milk any egg into a queen..that would make a lot more sense, survival wise.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov_was_framed the species is not threatened

    by KilliK

    but this specific colony of aliens.just a small clarification.<br /> <br />

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Well It's Not Easy To Kill A Queen

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    Unless you have an airlock to blow it out of or it gives birth to a half human half alien that can cut its face off...I think the Queen once seperated from its "birthing" sack like in Aliens starts to look for a place to leave a new royal egg, Queen isn't dumb...she wants to leave the egg around possible hosts which is why she follows Ripley Hicks and Newt onto the ship instead of leaving it in the about to destruct facility

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I like the idea in the DC of Alien also..

    by darthwaz1

    The scene where she finds her friends cocooned, Dallas the host and Brett turning into an egg..which shows that without a queen a drone can reproduce too. However much more slowly and only one at a time.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    JESUS

    by KilliK

    "Why then did it attack Parker and Lambert when it was not provoked? "<br /> <P>er Parker wanted to kill the alien.what more of a provocation do you need?<br /> <br /> <p>"Why did it effectively rape Lambert with its tail? <br /> The alien is capable of enjoying doing things, or doing things out of curiosity. It had a sexual interest in Lambert, it didn't just kill her for its own survival. "<br /> <br /> <p>sorry mate.its your imagination that raped Lambert not the Alien,unless i watched the Alien Alternate Universe Edition.<br /> <br /> <p>"In the third film it went on a killing rampage because it was enjoying it, there is NO other reason. "<br /> <br /> <p>that was my point from the start,thank you for agreeing with me.you confirm what i said about the Alien in A3 being your next Pinhead,Freddy Krueger,etc. case closed.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Why Else Would That FaceHugger

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    be able to impregnate two hosts?? no other face hugger works that way and it just happens to leave a Queen in Ripley?? no chance unless that was a special egg left by the Queen while it was aboard the ship....or you could be whiney because it's not explained for you and chalk it up to poor writing...I like to try and work this shit out for myself and I like my explaination...and the Queen could easily have a secondary pouch that can hold her royal egg...the one in the Sulaco was the size of a football

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov_was_framed if the Queen is not dumb

    by KilliK

    then the first thing she should have done,was to capture/kill Ripley,Newt,Hicks,Bishop and THEN lay her Extra Eggs in safety and calm,not the other way around as you described.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Alien 4 is total shit

    by Ben_Richards_Bomb_Collar

    Who the hell thinks it's better than Alien 3?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Re: Aliens spitting acid...

    by JediRob

    Doesn't seem like something an animal would do. Spit out it's own blood. But regardless, this is not done until that one scene on the ladder in Resurrection. Mind you this is also the movie that had 2 aliens kill another to produce acid. Hmmmm?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Queen has egg in her ass

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    and pulls it out when she thinks she is close to death.... hahaha perfect. too good. that makes sense though - so when the queen feels she is close to death - when the airlock is opened in the suloc it lays an emergency egg that eliminates all script errors by being able to do everything - unfortunately it was sucked out of the airlock as well along with everything else in close range on the suloco.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    OK two people to retort

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    Killik...if she kills everyone she doesn't have any hosts for her egg to impregnate...only reason the eggs survived on the derelict is because they were in a special hold built built by the space jockeys...not sure she could count on someone else just happening along in time Leafy...she knew she was close to death when Ripley fired grenades into her birthing sack...so she followed the last possible hosts since she probably cannot regrow it and left her final egg where it could continue the species...not difficult

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    oh boy..

    by KilliK

    you can clearly see the alien's tail coming up to Lambert like a penis. The suggestion is it raped Lambert. Most film critics agree with this. So its not my imagination, its your ignorance of cinema.<br /> <br /> <p>oh you mean that it metaphorically raped Lambert.ok then,no problem with that.but it practically used its tail to kill her,thats for sure.you know like the fucking Queen used her tail to kill Ripley in A2,unless she wanted to metaphorically rape her as well.<br /> <br /> <p>"My point is you are incorrect in saying the alien acts purely out of a survival instinct. And for the record, the alien was coming for Lambert and then Parker attacked it. Maybe you should watch the film again while sober. You made some pretty retarded comments before about The Fly...remember? "<br /> <br /> <p>with the difference that i watched the movie last week when the first BR-Rips mkvs were released so my memory about this movie is better.<br /> <p>but ignore what i said above.instead will make you this question: <br /> <p>if the Alien was doing everything in the movie from pleasure,if that was the vision of the director about the Alien,then may i ask what was the point of filming then the,added now in the DC version,scene with the cocooned Dallas,etc since the Alien,as you say, was acting out of pleasure and not because the instinct of survival?<br /> <br />

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov_was_framed

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    good points but you should also consider her magic powers. just saying

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    not joking around. alot of critics have theorized that the alien queen has said magic powers and thus was able to do all those amazing never established or hinted at or realistic things you mentioned in your post. I liek your post but without giving credit to the queen aliens magic powers your arguments just seem kind of ridiculous.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov_was_framed thats not what i wrote

    by KilliK

    i said that it is more logical,if you are not dumb, to kill the imminent threat,then capture the non-threats as host and THEN lay your eggs in safety and looking over them,than first laying your eggs and then trying to kill the threats will leaving the eggs out of your sight, unprotected in an unknown environment with hostiles running around.<br /> <p>dont you agree with that logical procedure?

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:46 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    ...definitely NOT michael beihn

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    the movie producers would have won,thats for sure

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    or Hudson :P

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    or Bishop

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    terminator would never be able to handle

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    the queen aliens magic secret eggs. they can do aaaaannnnnnyyyytttthhhhiiinnngggg.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Merchandising...

    by Toruk_Makto

    this site sure tries to hock a lot of disks these days.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Queen's "emergency egg"

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Hahahahaha! I love you geeks! I suggested the same thing but I was being facetious. Nice to see some of you taking it seriously! The ony thing I'd add is that instead of pulling the emergency egg out of her ass, the Queen shoots it out from her crown. Its a Rocket Propelled Egg or RPE! I guarantee that someone rading this TB will steal this idea for a forthcoming comic/novel/script. Five years from now geeks will be saying "Woah...the Queen has an emergency egg. That's frickin genius, man!" Hahahahahaha!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:10 a.m. CST

    A few more notes:

    by Monroville

    Originally, the Alien in ALIEN was able to procreate by itself, by attacking one victim to use as a host for egg transformation and stinging/paralyzing the second victim as a host. This fits with the Alien's pattern: Brett (killed for organic matter for egg), then Dallas (stung and brought back as host); Lambert was initially going to be killed (when it turns on Parker, the inner mouth is partially out), but Parker is taken as he becomes a potential threat. Being that Ripley is on the way, I always took it as the Alien "raped" Lambert as a "spoil-sport" kill to mock Ripley, as the Alien would not have had the time to transport Lambert and Parker to it's lair as egg matter and host (in the Alan Dean Foster novelization, Foster indeed describes what would happen if the Alien tried to pull 2 bodies through an airshaft opening not big enough for 1 person). In the end, the Alien was akin to a spider wasp and quite self-sufficient as a lone entity. <p> In regards to ALIENS, I always rationalized the alternate reproductive cycle to the colonists being slightly mutated (on a cellular level) due to the terraforming plant; thus the larvae implanted within Newt's father was a mutated version of the 1st film Alien to develop into the "Queen" version, which itself produced eggs which created inferior "2nd generation" versions of the Alien, as seen in their altered appearance (with the bony head and skinnier bodies), their slightly lesser intelligence and more hive-like mentality linked to the "Queen" or altered 1st movie Alien. Thus both life cycles can coexist rationally (or as rationally as anything can be in the ALIEN universe). <p> In regards to ALIEN 3, they should have went with William Gibson's script, which carried the ALIENS story structure and developed Hicks and Bishop as main characters. Regardless, in response to the "eggs on the Sulaco" issue, here is the ultimate problem: while I can see the Queen laying 1 to 3 eggs within the rear landing leg well of the dropship (as she could have had some eggs within her body after shedding the egg sack) during the flight from the planet up to the Sulaco, the real problem is that both the 1st and 2nd movies established that the facehuggers will not activate unless there is a viable host within a matter of 5 to 10 feet. Also keep in mind that after the crew went into hypersleep, the outside area would be close to absolute zero degrees, as emergency energy would be on at best. <p> The bottom line: how could the eggs activate if they were near half a football field's length away from the hypersleep chambers AND in a cold environment?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    One last note (regarding the Sulaco eggs)

    by Monroville

    The "acid causing a fire, thus prompting the hypersleep capsules to be ejected in an escape pod" makes absolutely no sense, as the facehugger was again proven to be quite tough in the 1st movie alone - while it may have used acid to burn into Kane's faceplate, it did not shed one drop on him or anywhere else to get to him. It also took a surgical laser to cut through its skin to cause it to bleed (thus I cannot see even tempered glass being enough to cut the facehugger to cause it to bleed, much less bleed all over it's potential host, which would kill them as the blood ate through them, the hypersleep chamber and the hull of the ship).

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by rxse7en

    Did not even need to have Ripley in Alien3. Could/should have been a new lead. Follow-up crew that goes to check on LV-426 finds eggs at the Space Jockeys ship, they crash on Fury161 and Alien3 continues the same.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Royal egg!

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Stop being such apologists! Look, I like aspects of Alien 3, but the set up is not one of them - it's a bullshit cheat, a retcon. An example of writers being too lazy to come up with something plausible so they betray the logic of what has come before (Also see: Terminator 3 "Judgement Day is inevitable,"). <p> When did the Queen lay this mysterious egg? She was hidden in the landing gear until her reveal, or did she hop out and stick this egg to the ceiling and hide again? Did she place it when she was chasing Newt? I don't think so. Maybe watching Aliens in 1080p will reveal the Queen landing a shot worthy of Michael Jordan (or 'Ripley 8') and throwing her egg into the Sulaco as she was sucked out through the airlock! <p> When fans have to start debating and coming up with theories to fill in the missing logic of a film, it's quite likely that it's because of bad writing.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Alien3

    by rxse7en

    Remember, Sigourney wanted to end her role as Ripley and only agreed to 3 if Ripley died. Personally, I would have preferred she died in the alien infestation of Earth and setting up the series for that storyline.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    THE EGGS ARE STILL INTACT ON LV-426

    by feebster69

    THOUGH THE TERRA-FORMING PLANT EXPLODED IN 'ALIENS', THERE WAS NO ACCOUNTING FOR THE SPACE JOCKEY'S SHIP, OR THE THOUSANDS OF EGGS IN IT'S UNDERBELLY. IT SEEMS FAIR TO ME TO SUGGEST THAT THOUGH THE SPACE JOCKEY'S SHIP WAS PROBABLY DAMAGED BY THE BLAST, MANY OF THE EXTREMELY TOUGH EGGS BENEATH IT WOULD STILL BE INTACT ... WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION "WHY (AFTER THE EVENTS OF 'ALIENS' AND 'ALIEN 3'), DIDN'T WEYLAND-YUTANI SEND ANOTHER BUNCH OF MINIONS OFF TO LV-426 TO GO AND GET 'EGGED-UP' AND FETCH HOME THEIR NASTY CONTENTS?"

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    feebster, maybe the eggs have a 'best before date'?<p> Rotten Alien eggs - how bad would those smell!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Alien3

    by Norton833

    Is an indefensible piece of shit, the Phantom Menace of the Alien series. Its illogical and contrived Hicks/Newt killing opening is a cheap trick, designed to be "shocking" (mission accomplished; congrats). But leaving that entirely aside, the film is a failure, lacking characters even remotely sympathetic, save for the doctor character who, upon being introduced, is almost immediately dispatched. Then there's a lot of inane running around in tunnels (beautifully shot, I'll give you that), leading to an anti-climax, followed by a bit of comic opera. I blame not the director, but the producers.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Killik

    by Kaitain

    "what to explain?" <p> I don't remember Ripley messing with the alien when it was trying to sleep, triggering some survival mechanism. Or are you saying it simply perceives her proximity as a threat?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Raskolnikov

    by Kaitain

    "of course the Queen would have a way to drop another Queen egg when it believes it's close to death...it not only makes logical sense but evolutionary sense...how else would this species prevent itself from going extinct?" <p> So we would expect to find this pattern throughout most hive mechanisms on our world, right? It would make evolutionary sense. Presumably ants do this, and termites, and hymenoptera? <p> Ummm...no. They don't. <p> The queen lays eggs in the egg chamber using an egg sac. They don't carry around a "special emergency egg". The same way that you don't carry a special emergency spleen, just because it would be handy if you lost your first one. Nature is a ruthless economist. If the situation hardly ever happens in any given creature's lifetime, a mechanism to deal with it will not be selected for. <p> Aside from this, we actually see the queen from the moment of her appearance pretty much up to her being blasted out into space, with one tiny break when Ripley first closes the door after leaving the docking bay. She doesn't have the opportunity to place some "emergency egg" under a small ledge somewhere. And why would she know to leave it here rather than e.g. in the elevator coming up from the depths of the atmosphere processor? <p> The hypothesis makes no sense. It's clutching at straws. The premise for Alien3 is bullshit.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah, the eggs were mutated by the nuke, not destroyed

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    And they produced a Godzilla-sized Xenomorph! 'Alzilla' finds his way to Earth and proceeds to destroy our major cities while laying six foot tall Alien eggs, which Matthew Broderick, Ripley's grandson, has to destroy. Harry will give it a rave review.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Hey Norton

    by Astronut

    I think you said it all re Alien 3. You nailed it, man. Beautiful but hollow -- no gooey yummy substance in the middle.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Yeah. Alien 3 reallllly pissed me off

    by Astronut

    when I saw it in the theater. I recall being so angry that everyone just kept running around in circles. OMG. In fact, I was so pissed about this film and Batman Returns (Batman's "wikka-wikka" scratch on a CD) I remember almost writing a scathing letter to the studios.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Kaitain

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    "The Queen lays it eggs in an egg chamber using an egg sac. They don't carry around a special emergency egg".<P>You do know that these films are FICTION, right? As in they don't go by the rules of real science, right? What other organism on earth has acid for blood? YouR theory = FAIL.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Kain_Bloodstone

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    you know that these films are based on screenplays - and in screenplays they setup things that come into play in the story later. So never setting up magic Queen eggs = your theory FAIL

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I know you are

    by Astronut

    but what am I?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Is it possible the company was involved with the egg on the sulo

    by Redhead_Redemption

    I mean, perhaps they intervined the suloco planted the egg and then allowed for It to take course, knowing that it would crash on some planet and all they would have to do was wait for an emergency request and then go and claim a full grown alien. Of course ripley fucked all that up. I don't know i'm just thinking that the company is pure evil and might do that

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Also, bishop was clearly an android

    by Redhead_Redemption

    even it wasn't specifically stated in the script, there's two things that point to him being an android<P>1)Lance Henrikson has claimed it was, and he likley played it that way<P>2)like it or not AVP is part of the franchise and that film tells us that Bishop was designed in the likness of charles weyland who lived 200 years before. meaning unless Bishop 2 was some great grandson then he had to be an android

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Leafy

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    WTF are you blabbering about? I wasn't talking about the screenplay, I was talking about someone going on how the Alien Queen is like an ant or termite queen when it is a work of FICTION and all comparisons with real, known organisms are null and void. Got it, schoolboy?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    my beef with 4 is the level of retardation

    by MurderMostFowl

    That stupid "getting sucked out of the hole in the wall" is one of the dumbest things I've seen put to the screen. We already established in the 1st movie and blatantly in the 2nd movie that this movie franchise lives in the real world where the vacuum of space is only as powerful as... the vacuum of space really is. So the 4th movie chucks this idea and says "hey you know what would be really cool!" The alien gets sucked through a tiny hole like a warner brothers cartoon he he he<BR><BR> Executive: Great! Do it and write a stupid story around it. This will be great!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    It amazes me nobody has brought this up...

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    A warrior got on the dropship and went to the Sulaco where it stayed for quite some time. i should say, AT LEAST one warrior. If one could get on, others could too. Why is it impossible to imagine that they brang a couple of eggs onto the Sulaco?</p><p>And that was one thing that always pissed me off about Aliens actually. The ship was on the surface, well away from the colony for like a second. We saw the ramp the entire time it was there and nothing went up the ramp. Besides, since when do warriors wander around the planet's surface? It was a stupid moment invented by Cameron to not have an easy exit. yet, nobody ever complains about it because Aliens is considered flawless. I love it too, but it's hardly flawless.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    It never bothered me

    by I am_NOTREAL

    It was shown that aliens were using the tunnels between the processing plant and the colony to move around. The one warrior must've boarded the dropshop when Spunkmeyer was hauling a load of stuff into Bishop at the lab. Perhaps it was a warrior back at the colony, looking for victims. I'll admit it's a bit thin, as is the lab scene calculated to make you wonder if Bishop is really evil (the way he looks at Spunkmeyer, a look he expresses at no other point in the movie), but I never really felt it was anything to get my underpants in a wad over. A bit of contrivance is generally de riguer in a movie like Alien or Aliens, at least in my book. How did Ash get into the Mother room without Ripley hearing him, anyway???

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Ash in the Mother Room

    by Astronut

    "How did Ash get into the Mother room without Ripley hearing him, anyway???" It's a movie. Go with it. Don't fight the enjoyment with a laundry list of what's and why's. Love her because she's special.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    "Alien 3" Is Better than "Aliens" and at Least as Good as "Alien

    by Hectorious

    Alien3 has a tomato rating of 32%. We can take that to represent popular opinion. Most of the reviews, where they do attempt to make serious criticisms of the film, tend to focus on four or five points that I'll address. The most common point seems to be that people found it too "dark," depressing, dreary, nihilistic, etc. This strikes me as an odd point to make against a horror film. I'm sorry, but if you expect your horror/thriller/suspense movies to be uplifting, then you're an idiot. If you can't take a good dose of torment and tragedy, then you should purchase yourself a children's ticket to Toy Story and stop rejecting good movies simply because your whiny baby sentiments can't handle them. Part of why Alien3 gets rejected for the above reason is that it starts with the quasi-happy note on which "Aliens" ended, where Ripley's quaint little family unit had survived the terror on LV-426, made it back on board the Sulaco and into hypersleep, and were on their way home...finally!...yay!!...and then completely destroyed that happy note in the course of the opening credits. Newt, Hicks, and Bishop are all killed before they even get on screen. The very premise of the film is regarded as generally unpleasant by many people. I can understand why they might take offence at this, but really, if the film is to be able to distance itself from its predecessors, and if wiping out Newt et al. makes sense in the context of the film's main themes, then what is the problem here? Ripley is the only character who really matters in this universe, we all know that. People who lament for Newt and Hicks neglect what their loss means to Ripley in this film, how it affects her and sets up her emotional arc for Alien3. She had to insist that Newt be autopsied, for Christ's sake...practically her own daughter! It's not supposed to be a film about the potential we were left with at the end of Aliens. It's a film about Ripley finally accepting her calling to rid the universe of the threat of this vile creature, and giving her own life over to that cause. Another objection to the film is that it shoehorns a sort of "Moby Dick" storyline into the franchise. It's now just a story about Ripley and her white whale, without expanding or exploring the larger universe at all. I think the objection here is that this takes something away from the alien. Perhaps the alien is supposed to remain impersonal in contrast to our corrupt yet beautiful human world. I don't really know. But I don't see making it Ripley's white whale as such a bad thing. It's a great, emotional moment when she tells the alien, "You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else." It's taken everything from her, including her new family unit. We realize how she once had a life, just like Ahab, and how her series of encounters with this thing totally changed that. So there are worse literary sources to plagiarize. In fact, one of my main arguments in favour of the film will be that it gives Ripley a personal connection to the alien, which shifts their dynamic in a new and important way. Two final objections are the indistinguishable, unsympathetic supporting characters, and then an issue about editing and visual effects. I for one enjoy the supporting cast, but I've watched this movie many times and so I've grown to like them more. I can see how they might be hard to tell apart and hard to get to know on first viewing. On this point, I guess I just think the audience needs to make some effort to get to know characters if you feel it's important to sympathize with them. I don't think this is a point about acting, and the actors are all very good. It's more that the characters are all rapists and murderers who shave their heads and are difficult to tell apart, so one doesn't really care when they get killed off; it hardly matters since they're all British anyway. Maybe this does detract from the audience's immersion in the story. But I can always tell that the deaths of each prisoner matters to the others, and I find that I can sympathize with that. These prisoners just want to be left alone with themselves and with the religion they've embraced, but suddenly there is this evil beast running around killing their spiritual brothers. The last point against the film is the chaotic editing of the attempted capture and chase sequences, and the uneven visual effects. Now the creature effects are as good as either of the other films, but the CGI is terrible. However, this film is 15 years old, so I think a little slack should be cut here. As for the editing of those two sequences, I do find them hard to follow, but I would insist they're clearer the more you watch them. The chase has the nifty alien-viewpoint going for it, and the attempted capture sequence is actually pretty stylish. There might be other arguments, and I'm interested to hear them. But most reviews are just outright dismissive. So if you want to convince me that this movie sucks, you'll have to at least do better than that. I have about four main points concerning why this movie is at least as good as Alien, and I'm just going to go through them one by one. One point that a lot of people forget is that Alien3 was David Fincher's first feature film. Now you may not think this is a point in favour of the film when I tell you that the studio interfered so much with production that Fincher basically walked away and left the final editing to them, and it certainly doesn't seem to have the same style and energy that Se7en or Fight Club have. But I think you can easily tell that this is a Fincher film, and this certainly explains the ultra-dark approach the film takes. Anyway there is the fact that it is a Fincher film, and since his other films are as good as they are, I think this merits a closer look at Alien3 for all the haters out there. Now let's talk about the story. Above all, this is Ripley's movie. In the first movie, she was just part of a team enduring a nightmare, and she came out on top as the surprising female heroine. In the second, she was the lone survivor trying to overcome her fear, but she was a sort of voice of reason in the middle of a group of idiot marines. And there was also this whole maternal arc to her character once Newt was rescued. So she is more of a protective hero. But in Alien3 Ripley gets back to the hard-as-fuck military roots of her character. (This is symbolized in her infamous crew cut.) Her very presence as a female on the prison planet is a great source of tension, but she just puts them in their place like it ain't no thang, never shying away from standing up to these double-Y chromos because of any lingering fear from her experience, as she did with the marines and with Weyland-Yutani's henchman in Aliens. And even though her little family unit has perished, we are reminded that she used to have a life and a career before all this began. Now her whole life has come to be defined by this creature. And the whole movie is about her refusing to let this thing define her, even though in the end, it gets the best of her, and has been with her all along. Probably the most important aspect of the story, in relation to the other films, is that this is the one where Ripley has a fucking alien inside of her. I can't stress this enough. This point alone sets this film apart and offers us the "fresh twist" that makes it a great concluding entry in the trilogy. And not only is Ripley effectively doomed before she even realizes it, but it's a queen alien inside her, capable of starting a whole new colony and a whole new nightmare all over again. But the twist is that this fact gives Ripley a personal connection to the warrior alien picking off the prisoners: she becomes "part of the family" and this gives her a power over the creature. It won't kill her. It leaves her alone. This means that she can now go toe-to-toe with this thing, whereas before all she or anyone else could ever do was hide from it or try to kill it from afar by blowing it out the airlock. The whole power dynamic shifts between Ripley and the alien when she becomes the one who can hurt it. This makes for a really brilliant contrast with the first film, where she was basically trying to get away from it the whole time. Now she wants to hurt this thing for all that it has done to her in taking her life away. Alien3 follows the basic blueprint of the first film, but twists it so that Ripley now has a new power over this creature that she didn't have before, and that makes it interesting in a new way. Alien3 also finally offers a satisfying resolution to Ripley's character. The other two movies just see her off into hypersleep. But here she answers the call to make the ultimate sacrifice and keep the species from endangering humanity, as it will surely do if Weyland-Yutani gets hold of the queen inside her. She does this even in the face of the company telling her that she "can still have a life," which is of course exactly what this whole prolonged ordeal has taken from her. But in the end, it's not that the alien kills her: she takes her own life because it is the only way to defeat the aliens, and so she wins, even though she dies. She dies on her own terms, not on theirs. That scene at the end of Alien3 where the queen bursts from Ripley's chest as she falls into the burning abyss--and she clutches on to it so that it doesn't get away--is my favourite scene in the whole trilogy. The self-sacrifice is perhaps cliched as a noble ending, but it's by far more powerful than the way the other films resolve her character. I could go on here, but I think you get my drift, and these are pretty much my main points. The first film was a great horror film with a superb cast and an unexpected female heroine. The chestburster scene is arguably one of the classic cinematic moments. The sequel is a pretty mindless action movie that inexplicably takes place some 60 years after the first one. I do love the power loader fight scene, and the queen is cool, but fleshing Ripley out in a maternal manner is an unforgivable patriarchal backtrack from what she did for female characters in the first movie. Alien3 is at least as good as the first because it takes up everything that was great about it, while simultaneously destroying what sucked about the sequel, and takes it all in a brand new direction that offers a perfect, satisfying resolution to Ripley. I think it's better than the first in important ways, but all I hope is that you see it is at least as good as the first, and by far better than the second.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the formatting

    by Hectorious

    That was pasted from a locked blog

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Would love to read it, but sorry, no.

    by Autodidact

    You need to figure out the P and BR tag... Not sure what "locked blog" i supposed to mean, but you can insert paragraphs by using P or BR tags in the AICN TB post box.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by Astronut

    That's five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Another odd moment in Aliens

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    I had always assumed the shooting in the hive is what started the explosion sequence.</p><p>When I watched it again the other day, Bishop says "There was too much damage from the crash" when explaining the reason for the explosion.</p><p>Well that doesn't make any goddamn sense. The dropship crashed at least a mile away from the colony and a couple of miles away from the reactor. How the hell did that cause the explosion?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Hectorious THANK YOU

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    if not for your title I might of actually tried to read through your post. much appreciated mate!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    RETURN_of_FETT

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    The dropship never leaves the planet surface; it always stays there, hence the low trajectory it flies in at towards the APC. They seem to leave the ramp down so an exploring alien just stumbles upon it. <p> But even if it had gone up back to the Sulaco, why would a warrior be running around carrying an egg?!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    the egg on the sulaco

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    you guys seem to be dismissing the fact that Ripley would have gone through every inch of that ship looking for any signs of anything. If there was a warrior alien on the sulacco something tells me it would have shown itself once its queen got into a fist fight with a giant exo suit. this is all just retarded. alien 3 cheated in its opening. It was lazy with its characters, story and with its audience. they said it wasn't going for the adrenaline action vibe of Aliens but more of the horror tension vibe or Alien bu it wasn't even as scary as Aliens! i don't hate Alien 3 for its dark bleak atmosphere, i hate it cause it sucks. Cause like all of us I think of what could have been and cry

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    If I stare at that wall of text long enough

    by craptacular

    I start to see a sailboat.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    The dropship crashed into the atmosphere processor

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The APC was badly damaged and didn't get far from the processing plant before they got out to meet the dropship. When the dropship crashed, it plowed into the APC (which isn't clearly shown, but discussed in the novel) and then into the processor.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I think Alien 3 gets a bad rap

    by Redhead_Redemption

    If it was a graphic novel, Fans would be praising it and claiming "they should turn it into a movie" but I think because it's officially part of the series, fans get mad because it's not how they wanted to see the series go. the majority of people went in wanting to see another aliens, with wise cracking marines and lots of action.<BR>but I think for a creative third entry, alien 3, really is something of an achievment

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    That "defense" is inane from the word go

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The first point is that people's opinions are invalid because the movie is too dark / depressing, but you make no convincing counterargument, just attempt to dismiss such opinions as trivial and move on. The problem is not that horror movies shouldn't be dark. The problem is that the lose their way badly when there is no chance at redemption. When the redemption earned at the end of the previous film is completely scuttled (with a major contrivance, BTW), in only moments and largely offscreen, the movie is critically handicapped from the start.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I think he meant that the warrior went to the Sulaco and hopped back on to the dropship when it crashed, but that's incorrect as the dropship never left the planet. Ripley spent time cleaning up Hicks and Bishop, and you can guarantee she checked everything for any potential trouble. I still don't understand how the facehugger breached her cryo-tube without it waking her up, or setting off some kind of alarm. <p> I don't hate Alien 3, I like certain aspects of it, but I completely agree that the opening is a lazy cheat and I find it depressing that people try to defend and justify it. It's the kind of thing that if I was writing I would have binned because it just doesn't make sense at all; I'd have rather not made the film than cheat like that, but that's why I'm not writing million dollar films.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    It certainly isn't shown crashing into the processor

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    It certainly seems like Cameron intended to have the ship crash into the processor but for whatever reason, it isn't shown. Maybe they ran out of money before it could be shot?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    There's a big flaming ball of debris

    by I am_NOTREAL

    that crashes into a structure that looks exactly like the base of the processor, at least to me. I always found it clear enough.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Yep - the APC/dropship debris crash into some strange structure

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    This big ball of flaming wreckage flies into this huge scaffolding/pipe structure.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    I was always suspicious of bishop in Aliens

    by Redhead_Redemption

    he seems like a dick when he's in the lab (kind of like ash was in the first film), and then evn as a kid, I found it so wiered the way he acts at the end, when ripley goes to unbelt hicks and Bishop grabs her hand and says something like "leave him, we need to get a stretcher before we remove him".<P>I know this makes medical sense, but to me it always felt like Bishop didn't want ripley staying on the ship to long, kind of a "ok, lets get you off the ship before you start snooping around". Whether this means bishop had alterior motives or was just written as being a shady character to play with the audience is really anyone besides Cameron's guess.<P>But when you think about all the wired little things as well as the egg hatching sound added at the end, It's almost as if Cameron was setting up a possibility of a third movie and who knows maybe it bore some similarities to what we actually got in alien 3 (plot points about the alien and ripley, not the whole wooden planet and prison monk thing)

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Let's talk about something else.

    by MoviesEtc

    Anyone looking forward to "Skating with the Stars"?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Hey, did you guys ever wonder...

    by Astronut

    maybe the aliens aren't as "smart" as we are led to believe. Case in point: In Aliens, the power goes out. Then the line from Hudson, "How can they cut the power?! They're animals, man!!" What I wonder is, what if it wasn't the aliens who cut the power? WHat if it was Burke (Paul Riser)? Maybe HE cut the power. Waddaya think?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Hectorious --- good stuff but you still didnt convince me

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    Aliens is way better. and its made clear when you mentioned the sacrifice in the end. JC understands what makes blockbuster movies, Alien3 had a silly ending, and a rather bleak beginning. So it starts off like bleak shit then ends on bleak shit. WTF? How were the audience supposed to find that exciting? and whats up with that sex scene???

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    The only shot in Alien that look dated

    by Redhead_Redemption

    is when they are placing ashes head on the table, the cut from dummy head to Ian homles is so terrible that it really looks like they didn't have time to film it properly. even when ripley is setting up the dummy head and trying to get it to match right with the shot of the actor, it almost feels like they rushed the shot at the end of a day and just used an outake in the final film.<P>Other then that, I think the rest of the film looks pretty good my today's standards, The alien suit and puppet in particular are way better then any CGI stuff they will likely add to the prequel

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    And yes, BrainDrain

    by Astronut

    Alien is my favorite of the series but I do agree about the scene with Dallas -- the "arms outstretched" alien shot is silly. It was silly in 1979. It is silly today. But I still honor the movie and put it up there with only a few others as nearly-perfect sci-fi film.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    It does not MATTER how the egg got there

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Its missing the point entirely. The point being - the alien always wins. The alien always finds a way. The alien will ALWAYS get you in the end. Alien 3 understood the unforgiving universe. It was the PERFECT sequel to Aliens. You think they got away and are going to live happily ever after? WRONG. The alien always fucking wins. Eventually.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I think the main problem with Alien 3...

    by Redhead_Redemption

    is that people try to read too fucking much into it. The franchise has never had an arc to it, If the last one made money then they would pump out another one. The reason people like to delve deeper into it is because the movies were spaced out by several years (therefore not appearing to be studio produced) and the first three were directed by arguable three of the great directors of the last 40 years<P>But in the end they really just are popcorn monster movies, but only the fourth and the AvP films are ever seen like that.<P>I mean nobody questions how Jason ended up returning in the friday the 13th films, is there any reason to question why the alien egg pops up in Alien 3? FOX and the producers wanted more money.. thats why!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Redhead_Redemption

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    so the aliens always win is the point and therefor can appear in any fashion just to reinforce that point. so you're telling me there is no reason to ever watch an alien movie because at the end of the day no matter what the outcome in the movie I just watched, it doesn't matter because the alien always wins and even though it looks like they have been wiped out they're always going to come back in magical inexplicable ways? Are you a hollywood producer?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    No Leafy McPlantsalot...

    by Redhead_Redemption

    I'm telling you thats it's just a movie and you need to stop anaylyzing the hell out of it and get a girlfriend<P>I was trying to say it in a nice way though

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain

    by Astronut

    Yes. YES. The arm stretches out and the alien actually yawns...... love that shit. You and I are two like minds it would seem. In another universe... I could have called you friend. lol

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Re: "Night club act" with the arms out

    by Astronut

    Forgot to mention I laughed out loud at that, dude. Hilarious. "Hello ma bay-bay, hello ma darlin' hello ma rag time gallllll..."

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Redhead_Redemption

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    its just a movie stop asking for it to make sense - you ARE a hollywood producer

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I love the

    by I am_NOTREAL

    "Stop analyzing it, it's only a _____" argument. You can use it for anything. Movies. Books. Music. Sports. Basic social norms. When you think about it, why analyze anything? Why?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    OH MY GOD! YOU GUYS!

    by Astronut

    Can we all agree that yes it is just a movie so stop arguing details that were probably written on whim based on the need for studio suits to rake in more cash?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    LOL Brain!

    by Astronut

    We should hang out and have a beer some day.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Somehow at least 2 eggs got onto the Sulaco..

    by darthwaz1

    that's all wee need to know- obviously it was the queen who dropped them. the "emergency" queen egg theory works for me. If not that than perhaps she just secreted something that formed into eggs over time, like what happens to Brett in the first film.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Just because it hasn't been setup beforehand , who cares?

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    i weep for the future

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I hate the Nostromo's Explosion Effect

    by Autodidact

    That is one shot I find just so cheeseball... if I had to guess I would say they wanted to evoked the acid trip at the end of 2001 or something. I mean, that is one big and long fucking explosion.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Ripley's Panties

    by Autodidact

    Ripley's underwear at the end of Alien is so skimpy I literally find it distracting. Not in a sexy way, but in a "that underwear is retarded small" way. It looks like Ripley is a giant person or something.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    The egg just formed from thin air...

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    maybe the Queen snorted against the ceiling and her germs mixed with the Sulaco's oxygen filter system to create that new super Facehugger that impregnated Ripley and the dog/ox. It's possible because they are aliens... <p> Some of your theories are creative, I'll give you that! Royal emergency eggs; skin eggs; warriors running around with eggs to hide on spaceships... I'm surprised that nobody's suggested a teleporting egg! <p> It wasn't possible for an egg to be on the ship - they just cheated. They were literally making the film up as they went along (just watch the extras on the DVD set). There is no reason that an egg would be on the ship - let alone anywhere near where they slept which means it couldn't have hatched as there would be no movement to awaken it - other than the creative forces were too lazy and/or stupid to think of a plausible way for Ripley to encounter the aliens again. <p> It's perfectly fine to like Alien 3. I do. But please don't defend poor filmmaking - we don't deserve to be treated that way. That attitude will see us served with dreck like AVP instead of a masterpiece like the original.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I Love The Guys Who Act Like Eggs on the Sulaco is a Huge Plot H

    by Autodidact

    You have to be a fucking retarded. The alien queen was onboard. She was just shown birthing eggs in the preceding scene. She has eggs inside her before they go into the ovipositor which is just a big incubator. She brought some eggs with her. Simple as that.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Why would they be in her skin?

    by Autodidact

    They're in her fucking womb.... the big sack she ripped off just holds the more fully formed eggs... she has less developed eggs up her alien insect-vag. Motorcycle Boy, you retarded cunt.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Im not having eggs tomorrow morning

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    thanks to you guys, i might never enjoy eating eggs ever again

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    What are you talking about, Autodidact?

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I'm not being a "retarded cunt" but you're being a rude cunt, you fucking cretin! Go fuck yourself, you festering colostomy bag. [Ends cyber hardman act] <p> The Queen skin egg theory isn't even mine, so I don't know what you're talking about. And the egg IS a huge hole. Yeah, the Queen was on the ship, for about three minutes! But I didn't notice her going around sticking eggs to the ceiling like they were C4, I just saw her trying to kill Ripley and the other humans because they had wiped out her entire nest!

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    On a lighter note...

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    has anybody who owns the set watched that missing part of the anthology documentary on Alien 3? Anything interesting in it?

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I love ripley in her panties

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    I used to jerk it to that all the time as a kid, unfortunetly it conditioned me to only be aroused by seeing a woman in fear.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Replies

    by Hectorious

    I am_NOTREAL: As you say the "too dark" criticism is an opinion, and as such is neither valid nor invalid. The reason I don't give a counterargument to it is that it's not an argument in the first place. Opinions can't be countered; people either agree or they don't. You have to cite reasons in order to count your opinion as the conclusion of an argument. I'm dismissive of the "too dark" criticism because it doesn't make sense as a criticism of a horror tragedy. I tend to think of Alien 3 as more of a tragedy than a stock horror film, so the standard redemptive story arc doesn't really apply in my view. DioxholsterOperationsOutpost: Again, the fact that it's a bleak film is not a very solid criticism. It's supposed to be bleak. Aliens is a good sequel for what it is, but it's clearly not even trying to be a horror film. It's an action film. Clearly that is a different genre and it must be evaluated according to the distinct criteria for that genre. Whether Alien 3 was a blockbuster or box office failure is totally irrelevant to its merits as a film.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Actually the Bishop theory is not far fetched

    by KilliK

    and it could be used to explain how those eggs happened to be in the Sulaco.<br /> <P>It was already established in A1,that an order to capture this alien form was giveN to an android by the Company,an order which the android put it above else and followed it faithfully.<br /> <p>We can assume that Bishop might have been given the same order by the Company,since after all it is the Company who sent him,something which can be said is hinted in the Spunkmeyer-Bishop scene.<br /> <p>yeah i know that scene is a simple mind-fuck by Cameron,to prevent the audience from completely trusting the Bishop character throughout the movie,so that he could enhance the momentary burst of despair and anger from the audience,when they discover together with Ripley and Newt that Bishop had left the platform with the dropship.(thats why he is such a fucking genius the King).<br /> <p>but regardless of the above we can use the scene as a hint,that Bishop is indeed protecting and promoting the Company's secret agenda for the aliens.<br /> <p>When Bishop landed on the platform and Ripley went down to sub-floor 3 to find Newt in the nest,we can assume that Bishop followed her very soon.While Ripley was fighting the aliens,Bishop had the time,comfort and strength to carry two eggs back to the dropship where he hid them there.<br /> <p>After doing that,there was no need to leave Ripley behind because he had fulfilled his Company orders,Ripley was no threat to that and beside he had the 3 Robotic Laws of Asimov which prevented him from abandoning Ripley.<br /> <p>Later they all arrive back to Sulaco and when he says to Ripley that they need a stretch to carry Hicks,he was simply trying to get Ripley away from the dropship,so that he could buy time and transfer the eggs from there before Ripley could discover them.<br /> <p>ofc he didnt know that the Queen was there too,so when he ripped him apart,his plan failed and the only thing he could do was shutting his mouth and hoping that they could arrive back to Earth without Ripley finding the eggs.But during the space travel,the eggs popped up and then we got the A3 garbage.<br /> <p>OFC there are 2 things that this theory has two inconsistencies:<br /> <p>It has been established by A2,A2 that the eggs pop up in a specific proximity range about 5m or something.the eggs in the dropship were far away from the cryo-chambers so the eggs couldnt have popped up like that.<br /> <p>Bishop happens to stumble upon an unguarded and randomly put in the nest egg which very,very coincidently happens to carry a facehugger which produces a queen.<br /> <p> anyway thats my 2cents in a pathetic attempt to fix the attrocious plotholes of the A3 script.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Get on yer bike

    by Autodidact

    Retarded cunt.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Arf! Great counter argument.

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    You're almost as smart as the guy who decided that there was an egg on the Sulaco. Almost.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I sent in a few emails yesterday

    by Juggernaut125

    but then realized that I never actually win anything ever, so figured it was a ridiculous notion and stopped.

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    We don't need all the dots connected for us..

    by darthwaz1

    It could just be sloppy writing about the eggs getting onboard, but whatever, it gives us a little mystery to ponder over, rather than everything laid out for us dumb and easily. Leaving a little room for the audience to think and ask questions isn't always a bad thing.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    There was going to be an Aliens cartoon series.

    by Autodidact

    If you look around you can find designs for it. Same design as some of the toys that were coming out in the mid nineties.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 6:15 a.m. CST

    You think...

    by rxse7en

    One of the pre-chosen times is 4:26? :D

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    I hope...

    by rxse7en

    the extras have more Wierzbowski!

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Whats up with the zit on that dudes nose in the extras

    by Redhead_Redemption

    it's very distracting

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Redhead... I Could Swear It's Skin Cancer

    by Autodidact

    I agree it's distracting. Looks like a damn melanoma to me, too. Maybe even fascitis.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Looked Around, Couldn't Find Those Designs

    by Autodidact

    The cartoon series was in dev around the time they were making Resurrection. I know I saw a post on it somewhere in like 2003 or 2004, showing some character designs and test cels. Will look again later.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Here we go again

    by jack Bauer

    Brits, Aussies and EU exempt.. <p> Its not as if we read the place eh Harry... <p> We help you in Iraq and get NONEo f the rebuilding contracts (US only), we help on the forums and get jack shit again. Thanks for nothing AGAIN.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Oh sorry, you can't afford the postage....

    by jack Bauer

    Yeah right... <p> Nope, it's pure keep it to the America's and the poor cousin Canadians this time...

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Oh, maybe it is skin cancer

    by Redhead_Redemption

    those interviews were done a few years ago, But i'm too lazy to look up the guy to see if he'd dead now or not. I actually don't remember his name, all I can remember is that distracting red blotch on his nose

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Aliens Cartoon On TV Would Not Work

    by Autodidact

    But I'd love to see Aliens done in animation, either as a feature length story or an anthology of R-rated animation, like Heavy Metal or Animatrix.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah because the Starship Cartoon didnt work on tv either..

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Starship Troopers Cartoon i meant

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    A L I E N animated series would be cool

    by Astronut

    but then again it's probably for the best that it has not happened. Let's be thankful the ALIEN franchise has not over-saturated the market with useless crap ala George Lucas and Star Wars. Although admittedly, an ALIEN LEGO SET might be kinda cool. heh

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Starship Troopers is not Firmly Rooted in R Territory

    by Autodidact

    Nor was it all about body-horror/rape. If you want "SPACE MARINES: THE SERIES" then maybe, but I want an "A L I E N" animation, not some bullshit with characters designed to appeal to me. If you can give me an Alien series that has lots of chestburstinngs and people's heads getting popped like melons, I'm all for it. But ALIEN doesn't work as a kid-friendly series. Same as Terminator or anything else that is totally death focussed.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Contest over!

    by MoviesEtc

    But it will take 3 more days to name the winners? Srsly?

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Autodidact watch Japanime then

    by KilliK

    it already has in plenty quantities what you seek.

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Kain_Bloodstone

    by Kaitain

    <p> "You do know that these films are FICTION, right? As in they don't go by the rules of real science, right?" <p> Yes, that's a terrific rhetorical manoeuvre, or would be except that Raskolnikov had said: <p> "it not only makes logical sense but evolutionary sense" <p> You will note that logic and evolution are both things that operate in our world. Thus Raskolnikov is basically saying, "Darwinian mechanisms would logically drive a hive entity with a queen in this direction!" <p> And in every case of such societies that we've seen, nothing of the sort happens. So Raskolnikov's appeal doesn't work as an argument, because all the test cases seen so far have been negative. That doesn't mean that Darwinian evidence proves that such a thing could not happen. But it does mean that appealing to Darwin to support the idea is not a very good move.

  • Nov. 6, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    why contest is us and canada only...

    by DrBrianOblivion

    ...i swear someone bitches everytime about this and someone always has to post an article of why it is, so I guess I'll do it this time. http://www.howstuffworks.com/question541.htm

  • Nov. 6, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    heres the main bit regarding international contests...

    by DrBrianOblivion

    Contest law varies even more between different countries. If you were to open up a contest to people all over the world, you would have to research the law in every single country on earth, to avoid getting yourself in legal trouble. For a typical promotional contest, this is just too much work. The legal fees for the required research would be much more than the payoff of the promotion. Additionally, there are some problematic legal questions inherent in any international contest. For example, if something were to go wrong, -- say, the prize was lost in shipping -- what court would the contest winner go to? It would be a very tough legal question just figuring out who had jurisdiction.

  • Nov. 6, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    You, thing, are obviously insane. <p> And stop referring to your pet tarantula as your "hot girlfriend", please.

  • Nov. 7, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Watched Aliens Blu-Ray Today...

    by rxse7en

    FANTASTIC

  • Nov. 7, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Who won?

    by guitar_dudester91

  • Nov. 7, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Who won?

    by guitar_dudester91

  • Nov. 7, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Who won?

    by guitar_dudester91

  • Nov. 8, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Watched alien 3 theatrical cut yesterday

    by Redhead_Redemption

    I honestly hadn't seen it since probabaly 2001, anytime I had watched the film since 2003 it has always been the much better extended cut of the film.<P>But I must say that overall Alien 3 is not all that bad and the only fault i find with the theatrical version is that it feels rushed compared to the longer extended cut. If you ignore the plot hole of the egg and get over the death of newt and Hicks (A point that never really brotherd me...I never liked the idea of a "family" in space idea) it's really not a terrible movie and actually has some cool part<P>that dude yelling fuck when the warden gets sucked up the air vent is such an awesome reading of that word, dude should have won an Oscer for that one