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AirPhotosLive: Stewart/Colbert Rally More Than Doubles The Size of Beck/Palin Rally!!

UPDATE: The ultra-radical extreme-liberal left-wing hippie Communist/Muslim person-counting service AirPhotosLive has these estimates: * 87,000 people attended August's "Rally to Restore Honor" featuring Fox News' Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. * 215,000 people attended Saturday's "Rally to Restore Sanity And/Or Fear" featuring Comedy Central's Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. That 215,000 apparently did not include thousands who traveled to D.C. for the event but couldn't get close enough to see or hear the event in person -- and settled for watching it on TVs in bars and hotels. (Beck estimated the true size of the Beck/Palin rally to be as big as 650,000 people. Colbert estimated the true size of the Stewart/Colbert rally crowd to be between 10,000,000 and 6,000,000,000 people.) More details here. Original post: I am – Hercules!! Jon Stewart’s “Rally To Restore Sanity And/Or Fear” in Washington, D.C., arrives Saturday and viewers on the West Coast will want to make sure they’ve got the TV on by 9 a.m. if they want to catch it live on C-SPAN. The Christian Science Monitor lets us know what to expect (all times Eastern):
10:00 a.m.: The pre-pre-show begins with videos and music on the jumbotron to keep the gathering crowd friendly and entertained. Noon: The pre-show starts with a performance from The Roots. 12:40: A comedian (to be determined) warms up the audience. 12:57: A video countdown with a show introduction. 1:00: The show kicks off with the national anthem by a musical guest (to be announced). 1:05: Mr. Stewart welcomes the crowd – whose projected size is ballooning daily. Currently, there are 200,000 sign-ups on the official Facebook page alone. 1:20: Mr. Colbert enters, and two actors – Don Novello and Sam Waterston – perform readings. 1:40: Jeff Tweedy and Mavis Staple perform for 10 minutes, followed by Stewart and Colbert until 2 p.m. 2:15: Sheryl Crow performs for five minutes, followed by speakers and guests (to be determined). 2:30: Musical guests (also still being lined up) come on. 2:40: The show turns to a pre-taped sequence – The Sanity and Fear Awards.
Quite a number should be turning up, including my kid sister Christy, who made it all the way out from Keller, Texas. How many? As a point of comparison, the Aug. 28 “Rally To Restore Honor,” featuring Fox News’ Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, attracted between 78,000 and 96,000 people, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News, but Beck says his crowd could have been as large as 650,000. Which is more! CBS commissioned to provide its crowd numbers. Beck has not yet explained how he derived his, or why they differ so significantly from the estimates given CBS. If Beck’s number is anywhere near correct, I think CBS deserves its money back. Stewart’s Wednesday “Daily Show,” featuring an interview with President Obama, was the third-most-watched episode in the series’ history, according to Comedy Central. (The two biggest episodes featured an appearance by then-senator Obama and an appearance by Obama’s wife Michelle.) I'm guessing Waterston is coming down firmly on the side of fear: Fox News viewers are the oldest who watch television. They, more than anyone, don't understand why the scientists keep making robots. 9 a.m. PT / Noon ET. Saturday. C-SPAN.
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  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Damn !

    by Gelatinousman

    I really wish I could go, but I live in Montreal.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I'm going!

    by matchesmalone2380

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by jdb1972

    The face of the modern day left is that comedian who go a syringe in his eye in THE FACULTY and a supporting actress from THE COLOR PURPLE - both of whom are probably more accomplished than our current PotUS! What a strange, strange world we live in...

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Mr. Stewart welcomes the crowd – whose projected size is balloon

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Mr. Stewart welcomes the crowd – whose projected size is ballooning daily: I'm having a hard time figuring out if Herc is refering to Mr Stewart or the crowd size. I'm guessing that he was refering to crowd size, but it sounds almost like Herc is refering to his weight. Personally though I think that his Ego is balloning daily.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I wish I could go...

    by Levon Swift

    but sadly, I have a life (and my brother's confirmation, which I don't believe in , but have to go to anyway). Jon Stewart is the shiz-nite!

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by MegaBeth

    Is a load that should have been swallowed. I'm sure regardless of the crowd size, it will be reported as being bigger than Beck's because Beck is perceived as being Evil by the liberal media and Stewart is the Cool guy.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST

    It's too late- America is mired in the past...

    by Carl's hat

    and frankly, from the perspective of a recent immigrant to the USA, seems to be quite a disfunctional country. It's disappointing to see how inflexible thinking and religious zealots have marched America backwards.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by jdb1972

    I missed the guest list. An ex-SNLer who was almost funny 30+ years ago. That DA guy who was on L&O almost 30 years. Two "artists" I've never heard of. And Sheryl Crow, who's... nice to look at. Or was 15 years ago. Not sure that's reason enough to attend, though, even with the free PuffHo bus ticket...

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST


    by LethargicJ

    What I wouldn't give to see a nice suicide bombing at this garbage.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Snark, snark, snark

    by Oozman

    Yay! It's the "Americans Begging for More Centralized State Planning Snarkfest"

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST


    by The Funketeer

    You not having heard of Jeff Tweedy and Mavis Staples says more about you than it does the rally.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Herc - about your sister: What's her situation?

    by Fico

    Is she single, seeing anyone...

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to see the Daily Show's disection...

    by Linguo_IS_Dead

    of Fox News' disection of the Daily Show's rally.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Will it be better the Team Cocos Live Cam

    by Saen

    I doubt it.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    will there be any mice with functioning human brains?

    by alice133

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Beck isn't evils, he just panders to Bigots

    by The Founder

    Same with Rush. Them guys smile all the way to the bank.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    While not wanting to get too political...

    by daggor

    I'm not a fan of people coming to America, then sneering at it. If you don't like it, either GTFO, or preface every criticism with: "Believe me, if I was back in my home country, I would be completely fucked. That place is a shithole." Here is an example. Just a random example of how it could work. Guy with a valid opionion: "Believe me, if I was back in my home country, I would be completely fucked. That place is a shithole. Frankly, from the perspective of a recent immigrant to the USA, seems to be quite a disfunctional country. It's disappointing to see how inflexible thinking and religious zealots have marched America backwards."

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:32 p.m. CST

    My sister looks cute in her braces and boots

    by Hercules

    A handful of grease in her hair

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Senator Obama > President Obama?

    by ROBRAM89


  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    Herc I thought...

    by Darklighter weren't one of the mindless followers of the left on this site. I guess I'm wrong. Who was the only non socialist on this site that I'm thinking of? Obviously not Harry but I remember someone on here being cool. Quint maybe?

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST



    ... is awesome for doing this... but can we admit that this a LIBERAL rally... I mean come on! Aside from the fact that Stewart is an admitted Liberal and Colbert obviously skewers right-leaning pundits, take a look at the guest list... I don't see a lot of moderates there. I mean, at least Beck and co. have the balls to admit their rally was a Conservative rally... It seems like Liberal has become a four letter word these days.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Love the Sat. Night's Alright reference.

    by MrD

    Hey, did you know Elton John's middle name is Hercules?

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST


    by MrD

    That was uncalled for and classless. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't agree with the politics of most of the people at that rally, but they've got the right to assemble, even for humorous liberal gasbags.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Nothing wrong with a liberal rally

    by rainbowtrout1265

    Nothing at all. But don't try to spin it as non-partisan, which we all know is total crap.

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I've never met a conservative that wasn't a total douche...

    by Cap'n Jack

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    by magnetoelectric

    I dont believe it matters what side political ideology you fall on. Preserving the mall (I would think) is something TB'ers can get behind. The Lincoln memorial? The Washington monument? (The list goes on and on.) All of these sites are not only iconographic in the sense of Americana but Filmdom as well.<p> But then again it seems like 21'st century Tb'ers cant figure out how to block popups like its '97

  • Oct. 29, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Had me at "Don Novello and Sam Waterston perform readings"

    by Anything But Tangerines

    who knew that Father Guido Sarducci and D.A. Jack McCoy were both practicing psychics?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    White People Vs White People: The Rally

    by NerdRageFanClub

    There are people out there that actually show up at the same place to support cable television personalities.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Mock Beck all you want

    by redshirt

    But his rally collected over 5 million dollars for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, which provides scholarships for the children of special-operations personnel killed in action or training. It will be great if the Stewart rally does more. Everyone wins

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:07 a.m. CST

    its meant as a satire

    by brabon300

    you fucking stupid bozos....shit<p>and where is the rip thread for dano? that new hawaii 5-0 show killed him....YOU BASTARDS

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:10 a.m. CST


    by brabon300

    have them open the fucking books<p>bet it is just like hannity's fund raising, where the majority of the monies raised goes to "administrative" costs<p> why doesnt beck donate the money he gets shilling for that "invest in gold" scam, he keeps pimping for...ALL WINGNUT FUCKS MUST BE BANNED FROM THIS SITE

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Wow. This is really all they got.

    by ReportAbuse

    The weekend before a critical election, the economy in the dumps, the national debt tripled from $1 trillion to $3 trillion SINCE Obama came into office ... and this is what they think we need for a distraction. This is one reason why they're going to get slaughtered next week. C U next Tuesday, indeed.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST

    brabon300, another Free Speech hater

    by DigitalDong

    Funny how the left is at the center of limiting everyones free speech in this country. Vince Vaughn can't tell gay jokes, conservative thoughts should be banned, and Oliver Stone can't tell the truth about Jews in Hollywood. Oh, no one heard about that last one? Oh yeah because Mel Gibson was saying nigger nigger nigger to his bitch the same time Stone went Jew crazy. Funny how no one reported on Oliver Stone.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Glenn Beck is a blowhard asshole...

    by Cheif Brody

    That is all.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Saturday Night's all right for fightin'!!!

    by NudeandAroused

    Wish I could go, but I have to work. Used to work on the Mall in DC.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:25 a.m. CST

    That's it?

    by FlandersBum

    Meh. I'll be watching reruns of Hawaii 5-0 instead.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by catlettuce4

    I think you'll find the comedian mentioned might well be Eddie Izzard, since he's tweeted that he's on a plane, heading to Washington for the rally.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Beck is insane. Of course his numbers are off.

    by V'Shael

    That said, it's easy as shit to click "I'll go" on a Facebook icon. Don't go counting your crowds at this thing already, based on some 2am drunken/stoned clicks.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:27 a.m. CST

    The comedian (TBA) might be Eddie Izzard.

    by V'Shael

    He's announced on his Twitter feed that he's heading to the rally for Sanity.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    I'm for restoring fear

    by InActionMan

    I'd like to stay and chat but, I have to go check for Jewish,Mexican,Communist,Black Homosexuals under all the beds in my house.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Aint It Conservative News

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Why do these posts always bring all the Wingnuts out of the closet? All these names that I never see contributing to any other discussions that aren't political? It's interesting.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Beck is not insane

    by smackfu

    He's making big bucks by telling crazy people what they want to hear. He's said himself that his show is for 'entertainment' purposes and not to be taken seriously. Of course that was before he really dug in his cult status, now he pretty much has to pretend he really thinks all those crazy things he says are true, or the crazies will stop throwing money at him.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Thanks for drawing away the door knockers!

    by GeorgieBoy

    Awesome! I hope Stewart gets a billion people there and keeps them from promoting democrats at my front door! Way to shoot yourself in the foot libs!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I liked Glenn Beck better...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...When he was a character named "Howard Beal" in a movie called NETWORK.<p>

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Perfect timing!

    by attilathehun

    These assclowns are on the verge of losing EVERYTHING on Tuesday, so what are they doing with their final pre-election weekend? Boozing it up in DC and destroying Jon Stewart's ridiculous cover as a "moderate". Quite the twofer. I REALLY look forward to them explaining away the mountains of shit and garbage that their crowd leaves behind as "ironic commentary" on the rep libs have as dirty hippie litterbugs. And BTW--CBS's ridiculous count of 85K at Beck's rally was UNIVERSALLY panned as a disgrace to undercounting. the vast majority of watchers commenting, even those critical of Beck, grudgingly admitted he had about 500K there.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    The Chinese respond...

    by BurnHollywood

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    This is not on C-Span

    by Life Proof

    Right now they're showing a debate between Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Life Proof

    Nevermind, thought you meant there was going to be coverage before the show. I'm bad at reading.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST

    why are republicans even at this site?

    by smackfu

    Isn't a movie news site part of the liberal elite joo run hollywood thing they're always griping about? If you guys want to stay true to your doctrine, you should only be listening to music that involves people wearing flag clothing, and only watching...wait...are there even movies or tv shows made by republicans?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Aint It Liberal News

    by fanboy71

    This site has changed so much since I started coming here that I only check it a couple times a week, whereas I used to check hourly. The inside info and scoops are a thing of the past. Now they are trolls for the movie industry who only post what they are given and paid to post. And lately the liberal politics have began sticking their ugly head up. This is not the reason this site USED to be "cool". I might as well read the entertainment section on CNN's or MSNBC's websites.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    Does your fat mama whine as much as you do? 'Cause one cares if you wasted a post here or if you're going to come back. Fuck off, die, whatever. We'll soldier on...

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Which Is It?

    by MarkWhittington

    First, what is the real name of this silliness? Smugfest or Lolapalloza? Second, I think it's too bad they decided to merge the Rally to Restore Sanity and the March to Bring Back Fear. The thought of Stewart fans and Colbert fans brawling on the Washington Mall was just heartwarming.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    you're still in high school aren't you?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by PeanutButterSlut

    The lot of you! Cthulhu Party forever! The Old One has the answers! Vote Elder Thing in 2010! Fuckers! C U TUESDAY!!!!!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    More fuel for truthers!

    by Setesh

    Airline freight bombs intercepted on their way to the US!<br> This will dominate the news today, drawing attention from the Rally!<br> Coincidence?<br><br> Yep...

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Silence Liberals!!!!

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    We shall shout you down, gargle with underage boy cum, and shout you down again! You don't know the power of obese, middle-aged white guy whining. We got Firefly renewed. We brought back the Prime Universe. We got Lucas to release anamorphic prints of the OT. And on tuesday, when we take the House and nothing else, you shall bow down before Whitman and O'Donnell. You shall truly know the effectiveness of the whine. And you shall finally understand that our incoherent shouting makes you very difficult to hear!!!!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, noon CST

    Christy O'Donnell is a FINE ass woman

    by superman76

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    What a lefty wankfest

    by OutsideChance

    A rally being put on by an admitted liberal (Stewart), endorsed by the DNC, featuring a bunch of democrat activists, liberal entertainers and giant hippie puppets, with attendees being bused in by the Huffington Post and Oprah. How can anyone be stupid (or disingenuous) enough to think it's apolitical?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Yusef Islam

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    of course...because when I think restoring sanity I think Yusef Islam

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Ha! Teabaggers are funny.

    by fiester

    Bill Maher had a fantastic dissection of the Tea Baggers on Real Time last night I encourage you all to seek out. <p> Why any Tea Bagger types would be frequenting this site is a mystery to me. They write about Hollywood on here--you know, where the gays and Jews and liberals live and work and produce all the movies they cover on here! <p> Doesn't Mel Gibson have a site where you can all go and blog about how much you live whacking off to reviewings of "Passions of The Christ"?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I'm conservative and I love Hollywood, gay people, drugs, unprotected sex with multiple partners, but I don't like corny cheesy whining...I love gay people but I don't want to be told I can't tell a fag joke, I also hate people who want to kill me and I think America is the greatest country on fuck you you cliche slinging bucket of jizzum

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Wow, Herc, just Wow... So, you continue to go with CBS's

    by Coughlins Laws

    lowball number, just throwing out all the other estimates. ABC estimated WELL over 100,000. Why won't you use their numbers? The National Parks service estimated between 300,000 and 325,000. Why won't you use their numbers? Why do you only use the lowest possible numbers you can find? Based solely on satellite pictures, which don't take into account people coming and going or people under trees, etc? Yet you'll rely on 200,000 children promising to come on Facebook. Yes, I get you're a flaming liberal. But could you at least TRY to be objective when you "report" facts?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    OutsideChance: Beck said his rally wasn't political

    by Flip63Hole

    How'd that work out for ya???

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    So, basically, Stewart is the liberal Beck, Flip63hole

    by OutsideChance

    ...a couple of hucksters claiming to be apolitical while promoting politics and getting rich doing it.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by fiester

    I believe in all of those things as well. So maybe you should shut the fuck up and get with the rally, chum, cuz that's what it's all about. <p> P.S.: Most of the "corny cheesy whining" you hear these days is coming from the Right. All the Tea Baggers do is whine. All Palin does is whine. All Beck does is whine and cry. <p> You really seem like a very confused person. I don't blame you. I just don't think you're all the bright, is all, like 99% of Tea Bagger types.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    that crowd looks very, very white

    by Sir Loin

    So, using their own "logic," they're all racists.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Plus, I love all the so-called "tolerant" liberals I see here

    by Coughlins Laws

    and throughout the media. The most intolerant, mean-spirited people you can find are almost all in the Democrat Party. Look at how so many will call people they disagree with "ballsuckers". Look how you'll just dismiss the over 50% of the people who reject Obama's agenda as "crazy" or "racist". Liberals really are the most intolerant people in our society...

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I know, that's the funny thing. Is Stewart's crowd going

    by Coughlins Laws

    to be called "racist"? It sure looks over 95% white to me...

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing. This so-called "non-partisan" rally

    by Coughlins Laws

    has had hundreds of buses paid for by Oprah and Arianna, has SEIU union thugs being paid to go, and has the DNC recruiting at it. Don't you just love these "astroturf" events?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    fiester: Barack whines daily about Bush

    by Sir Loin

    Your guy is the most divisive, incompetent president in history. But hey, he's making history over in India after the election by using the very first teleprompter in their parliament. LOL.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Coughlin's Laws

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    We didn't call you "ballsuckers". You were calling YOURSELVES "Teabaggers" for weeks until someone explained to you that was a slang term for ball sucking.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    (sigh) and the Beck crown number thing?

    by Monroville

    All you have to do is look at the aerial photo of the event and do the basic mathematics: <p> <p> If the reflecting pond from top to bottom can contain roughly 200,000 people (plus or minus a 1000), that would mean the open field to the left should be able to contain more, such as 300,000. So to judge the photo just by the basic math, Beck's rally had at least 400,000 to 600,000 people, and that is in the area shown in the photo above (and not taking into account those that are within the woods on the right side of the pic and those outside of the picture area). No speculation, other than what is based upon what you can see. <p> Here is another picture: <p> Regardless, I think what both rallies come down to is what happens afterwards; as in, the junk left behind or cleaned up by said crowds. Over any message or sign, that is the truly telling point of how caring and mature said rally group truly is. <p> Compare this video ( with this one ( Say what you want, but the truth has a way of just coming out... or in this case, being left behind.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    And cymbalta4thedevil?

    by Monroville

    It was liberal commentators like Janeane Garofalo and Chris Matthews that coined the term, not the tea party themselves, who are no doubt too naive to even know what it means. <p> BTW, notice how I did not use any cursing in this post or the one above to make my point? See, it CAN be done, believe it or not.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Lots of Sanity in this thread.

    by David Cloverfield


  • Oct. 30, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost <P> Brace yourself this video is downright funny!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    cymbalta, Jeaneanne Garafalo and Anderson Cooper

    by Coughlins Laws

    were the first ones to say on TV that someone attending Tea Parties were "Teabaggers". I'm sorry you didn't know this. If you are going to use as your evidence that maybe 5 people at a Tea Party (which I don't think you can) called themselves "Teabaggers" out of millions of Tea Partiers, and extrapolate it to say EVERYONE who has been at a Tea Party said it, then I expect YOU to answer for all of the racism and anti-Semitism in the Democrat Party. The Million Man March had many anti-Semitic speakers. Obama sat in a church for 20 years where the preachers shouted all sorts of Loony racist and anti-American rants. And you voted for Obama. Therefore, I can assume you agree with everything that Rev. Wright says. Is that fair?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST

    My only problem with conservatives....

    by Auriellis

    I find most conservatives take Fox News as the absolute truth and never really investigate the facts. Half of the stuff on Fox News is just cut clips with no context. The rest is all the same "Barack Obama has led us to economic DOOM". <br> <br> Truth is, Reagan started it back in the 80s. Bush Sr added some bills that Clinton continued to work on along with the housing reforms. Finally Bush Jr between the overspending and the wars saw the economy start to collapse. Obama is attempting to cleanup four presidents' messes and it's going to take longer than just two years in office. <br> <br> Don't get me wrong, I also have problems with liberals at times too. But I find the conservative mind set has gone from really thinking about the goals of the party and their people to zombie mind-slavery and constant bashing and out of context clips. <br> <br> So those who just quote what they see on Fox News or conservative websites without doing some real research, I have no respect for you.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Jon Stewart is the opposite of Beck

    by antonphd

    Not the liberal version of Beck. Not unless you consider being a moderate being liberal.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Actually, Auriellis, you can find studies that show that

    by Coughlins Laws

    conservatives get their information from multiple sources and are more likely than liberals to absorb information from sites from the opposite of the political spectrum than liberals will. In other words, conservatives are much more likely to check out what's on The Huffington Post, MSNBC, and the dailykos, than liberals will watch Fox News, read the Weekly Standard, or read In other words, liberals are much more likely to stay in an echo chamber and only seek information from those they already agree with...

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    antonphd, Stewart and Colbert are admitted liberals:

    by OutsideChance

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    antonphd, Stewart and Colbert are admitted liberals:

    by OutsideChance "Stewart ... makes no secret of his liberal leanings..." "[Colbert says] we are liberal..."

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Now the crowd's holding up "republican=Hitler" signs

    by OutsideChance

    AP/MSNBC ( has the pics. Because nothing says "moderate" and "sanity" like putting a Hitler mustache on a picture of Jewish politician Eric Cantor.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    wackybantha = BSB??

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost


  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Stewart and Colbert as liberals

    by maxwell's hammer

    Yes they're liberal, in the same way that my family's church pastor is conservative. He has opposing political beliefs than I do, but we can still have a calm rational conversation about anything up to and including those political beliefs.<BR> <BR> You can be liberal or conservative without being a radical extremist. Most of the big talking heads at FOX happen to be of the radical extremist variety, and are not actually very representative of regular conservatives.<BR> <BR> Jon Stewart is not a radical extremist, and while he openly identifies himself as a liberal, he's WAY THE HELL closer to moderate then anything Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Keith Olbermann, or Rachel Maddow have ever professed.<BR> <BR> And it is on that basis that it is absurd to call Stewart the liberal version of Glenn Beck.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Heh again

    by jdb1972

    Apparently, Comedy Central tried to ban any unauthorized filming (including cell phones) at the event. Good luck with that, since you're on public property. I love the smell of fear in the morning.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    R2D2 : Great American

    by magnetoelectric

    Born a slave(or at least a servant) Not only did he rise above his own shortcomings, but he went on to play a key role in the liberation of an entire galaxy.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Stewart is a moderate for sure

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    Colbert is the conservative.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    jdb1972, can you blame the ban on cameras?

    by OutsideChance

    Stewart desperately wants this to come across as a "mainstream-moderate" event but it's turning into a typical hippie wankfest: Nixon vampires, giant puppets, union thugs and now signs showing a Jewish congressman as a Nazi. He lost control of his shtick and it threatens to bite his carefully cultivated image in the ass.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    by Monroville

    Auriellis said: "Truth is, Reagan started it back in the 80s. Bush Sr added some bills that Clinton continued to work on along with the housing reforms. Finally Bush Jr between the overspending and the wars saw the economy start to collapse. Obama is attempting to cleanup four presidents' messes and it's going to take longer than just two years in office. Don't get me wrong, I also have problems with liberals at times too. But I find the conservative mind set has gone from really thinking about the goals of the party and their people to zombie mind-slavery and constant bashing and out of context clips. " <p> You criticize the right for having a closed mind to sum it up, yet where have you come to these conclusions? The fact is: it all really started with FDR and the forced socialist policies that he created, as well as blackmailing the Supreme Court to rule in his favor or he would keep adding Supreme Court justices until he rigged the court with enough lackeys to rule in his favor (as up until Roosevelt, the SC ruled near unanimously all socialist programs to be unconstitutional, as they would entail discriminating against one group to benefit another, as well as give the government justification to limiting 1st amendment rights to property, among other things). It increased with Lyndon Johnson, who in turned expanded socialist expenditures as well as entered us into the Vietnam war (and as a defensive war with no clear objective as well; it was Johnson and MacNamara that came up with the concept of "victory through body count"). <p> Nixon in turn tried to appease the left through the creation of the EPA, as well as shifting the focus of Affirmative Action (which was a program designed to help poor people in general) to specifically help African-Americans. It was also Nixon who killed the space program (as he saw it as Kennedy's baby). <p> Then came Carter, who sank the economy due to price fixing on oil and higher taxation and government expansion (the problem with price fixing is that the companies, in this case foreign [OPEC], can turn off the production as a counter attack, hence the oil shortages); regardless, the economic downturn during Carter's years was primarily due to the fact that our country's existence revolves around the cost and availability of energy (regardless of whether it is fossil based or not). <p> While it took 1.5 to 2 years for a overall 70% turn-around after Reagan took office, it was still due to taxes being lowered and (even more so) the oil embargo being lifted. With energy being much cheaper, that alone boosted the progress of the economy. Even so, democrats controlled congress and it was through the compromise between Tip O'Neil and Reagan that led to deficit spending, of which only 30 to 40% of the budget was allotted to military spending (which still leaves at least 60% of the budget open). <p> Bush Sr. and Clinton more or less continued Reagonomics (or what should be more appropriately called "Alan Greenspanomics") and kept gas and energy prices low and taxes relatively low, hence the relative economic boom during Bush Sr. and Clinton's term, even taking into account the 2 year recession that happened in Bush Sr.'s term (which itself was intentionally/unintentionally caused by congress when they deleted the ability for companies to use Savings and Loans as tax shelters, and made that deletion RETROACTIVE to at least 5 years, meaning companies were then forced to pay for 5 years of taxes all at once, which in turn caused a lot of companies to go bankrupt). <p> Bush Jr.'s biggest contribution to the economic situation are 4 things: (1) he devalued the currency beginning in 2002 as a means of counteracting the trade deficit with China. The trade deficit may have temporarily went down (but China has since increased tarrifs and other fees to drive the costs of American goods back to previous levels), but it also resulted in our currency becoming weaker and prices of domestic goods to go up as a result; (2) Bush allowed oil market speculators to artificially inflate the price of oil beginning in March of 2005 (where they justified their increase in oil price on low National Reserves - the thing is, a week after the speculators on ALL cases, the government issued a statement that the reserves were MAXED OUT; yet oil never dropped below 40% of the increases in price every time the speculators jacked the price up. To keep it simple: oil speculators artificially inflated the price of oil on an almost 40 degree incline as Bush did nothing to question or investigate. This, to me, was the final reason for democrats to win the congress in late 2005); (3) Bush tried to investigate the housing committee ran by Barney Frank from 2006 to 2008 a total of 11 times, with all 11 requests blocked by Frank. Rather than issuing an executive order to investigate Fannie May and Freddie Mack (as well as the housing committee and Frank himself), Bush did nothing; (4) Bush instituted stimulus plans, of which were also used in late 1920's, which in turn turned a recession into a full blown depression. <p> Obama's problem is the same as Bush's: he refuses to look to American history much less world history to create solutions based upon what has been proven in the past. We almost had a depression in the early 1920's; Hoover cut spending and lowered taxes, which led to the "roaring 20's". By 1927, an economic downturn occured again, but this time INCREASED government spending through stimulus plans were implemented, which turned the recession into a depression. <p> Obama is continuing Bush's and the former Democrat controlled congress' (of which Obama was a part of for 2 years at least) mutual plan of stimulus spending and other government socialist programs. The only thing Obama is doing differently is that he has increased the spending and the speed of spending; otherwise the overall plans are simply carryovers from the Bush administration. Both of them never got it through their heads that the economy is based on (1) how much money people have AFTER bills are paid and (2) how expensive energy costs are. If bills are low and energy costs are low (as with Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton), the American economy does quite well. Yet one can almost pinpoint when the economy started to take a nosedive, and that was March 2005 when oil prices started to hyperinflate. <p> Until Obama stops sending american jobs to brazil (along with $2 billion of our taxes) and does something about the cost of energy and taxes, we will continue this downward slide.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Smugfest to Restore Hipster Irony

    by ReportAbuse

    This just in: At least one black guy attended the event. Still waiting for confirmation that a second one may have been spotted in the crowd. In related news, several attendees said that their threatened sense of self-satisfaction was in fact shored up by the event, and just in the nick of time.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    The richest 2% in the USA are laughing at you..

    by Carl's hat

    I will never understand how they have made attack dogs out of so much of the US population. Fucking mystifying. Maybe it's the dangling carrot of the American Dream..that one day you too may be in the richest 2% and then you'll want low taxes. Hahaha. Wake up, they are screwing you left, right and centre. <p> McDonalds in Ohio today in the news- giving out pamphlets with pay slips to staff, warning that if they don't vote Republican they may lose their benefits. Big business doesn't give 2 shits about you.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Nice cherry picking on event numbers Herc...

    by shagdrum

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost <P> MAN NOW THATS COMEDY!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Smug Hipsters like, Tony Bennett

    by magnetoelectric

    With his high and mighty ideals all in his infantry regiment liberating the Kaufering concentration camp,<p> pfft , what a douche

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Nice cherry picking on event numbers Herc...

    by shagdrum

    Specifically, I am referring to the dispute concerning Beck's rally. You picked one of the lowest estimates (and from one of the more biased sources, ESPECIALLY when it comes to polling or political estimates of ANY sort; CBS) and then contrasted it with Beck's "unexplained" estimate. How about some of the other estimates from sources withOUT a political axe to grind? Like, maybe the National Parks Service official estimate of between 300,000 and 325,000? Or even other sources with axes to grind against Beck but with bigger the NYT's which reported around 300,000. All the info on that is at this link: Also of note is the permit application for each rally which, reflects their own estimates of attendance before the event. Beck and crew got a permit for 300,000. What was the permit for in the case of the Comedy Central rally to restore the leftist narrative? As of Sept 24th it was around 60,000. However I am sure it has been amended since then. Anyone have that info?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Where were the minorities?

    by FlandersBum

    Geez, and I thought the Beck rally looked white.....

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    As predicted, The Right claims it's penis is bigger.

    by Subtitles_Off

    Of course there are going to be fewer people at a rally preaching reasonableness and intelligence. Contrary to what Stewart believes (I "heart" you, Jon!), the American public is overwhelmingly stupid. (A scientific sampling of AICN Talkbackers proves this. Conclusively.) Stupid people don't show up to things unless they can yell and kick somebody in the head or call someone a fag. This stupid majority doesn't want reasonableness, anymore than they want to hear Kid Rock's new song. (What? Springsteen too much of a pussy to once and for all put "Born In The USA" to bed?) <P>You can't schedule a rally on a Saturday in the middle of football season.<P>Tuesday's going to be the best thing that could happen for President Obama. Now, he gets to play the obstructionist and look all strong and Presidential. Guess what? Nothing ever changes.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    These shifts in political power are awesome

    by Saen

    You get to see all the crazies come out and defend their failed party. You get to see them act all high and mighty and smart. You get to hear all the same old chants. Evil Corporations, Evil rich people, Blame Bush; being this years themes. Lets look at reality. The last 4 years sucked a huge one; and when that happens the people in charge get kicked to the curb. Complain all they want about half that time having a President they hated, but still the failure was on them as much as anyone else. The Congress is not a weak entity, it has power and they failed to utilize it to stave off disaster. Now they are getting replaced. It wasnt so bad the last time we had a Democratic President with a Republican controlled congress. Clinton era prosperity was pretty good.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    shagdrum, making up facts is bad!

    by Hercules

    The National Park Service hasn't offered official crowd estimates of any kind for more than a decade. The tiniest bit of research will verify this. <p> As for the CBS estimate, are we saying is some sort of lefty propoganda machine that's less capable of counting people than Glenn Beck? <p>I provided estimates from both AND Glenn Beck. If you have reports you believe more accurate than either, kindly link to them, and explain why they garner more of your trust.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Isnt this the funniest thing you ever saw??????

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost <p> that video is hilarious, you guys need to check it out before they take it down!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Glenn Beck is an idiot! Herc is always right!

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    Herc is the man. He makes AICN look good.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    So what, who gives a fly about the number pple there

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    10 conservatives = 1 liberal. all those lunatics who went there were racists. Glenn Beck energized those racists and he knows that hes fans are all nothing but racists.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    and shagdrum

    by Hercules

    I just re-read the NYTimes piece to which you link. It mentions the CBS/ estimate and Beck's estimates, just as I did. And it also references the fact that the parks service does not give official estimates.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Glenn Beck thinks of himself as a messiah not kidding

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    and hating him only makes him stronger. All those fat rednecks like what hes saying and he feeds their paranoia pretty good.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Gonna say it again

    by redshirt

    Who cares how many people are there. Beck's rally generated 5.8 million for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, for kids of soldiers killed in battle. What charities are being benefited by the Stewart rally? I look forward to them getting a lot more than Beck's charity did, because libs are so much more generous, right?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Beck jumped the shark with that rally

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    no hes not that interesting of a person.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Union Thugs?

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Did someone say Union Thugs? Yeah, damn those Unions for beating up on poor big business and fighting for employee rights and the working man. How brainwashhed are you people?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    It's fun to watch liberals squirm...

    by fanboy71

    ...when they are about to get stomped on. lol All any of them can offer up is obscenities and scare tactics. But Tuesday will be here soon, and your name calling and rhetoric will be all for naught. Happy Conservative Takeover Day! Ah, Liberals. haha

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    There was never any question that

    by smackfu

    Stewarts rally numbers wouldn't hold up to Becks. Desire to watch live comedy can't hold a candle to paranoid fanaticism. Crazy people are way more enthusiastic about being crazy than sane people are about being sane. That's the way it's always been, and always will be.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure why republicans think they're gaining anything

    by smackfu

    by winning these elections. Nothing will have changed, Republicans have already been cock-blocking Obama for 2 years straight so the status quo won't change in any noticeable way for us. The only real difference is now you won't have to use loopholes to block bills, you'll just kill them before they get out the gate.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Everything you just said could be applied to your party 2 years ago. Don't you see you're all the same? The 2 groups need each other, they feed of one another and together they're destroying this nation.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Domenico Montanaro (@DomenicoNBC)

    by Hercules

    is the NBC employee who tweeted an NPS official told him the Beck/Palin rally drew 300,000-325,000. <p> I Montanaro's number is correct, I say again: CBS should get its money back.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by superman76

    your post was a breath of fresh air and truth. Well-written facts.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 5:56 p.m. CST

    SHUT THE FUCK UP Herc, you fucking liberal sycophant

    by superman76

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    "SHUT THE FUCK UP Herc..."

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Yeah! Quit presenting what people reported and trying to be fair!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Obama has been President for 1 year and 9 months.

    by Carl's hat

    I don't care what kind of argument any Republicans/ Tea Baggers put up. How can they stand there and in all honesty claim that they don't like the way the USA is going and blame Obama? They certainly didn't mind when Bush was President for 8 years. Obama was inaugurated January 20, 2009. 8 years for Bush. 22 months for Obama.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Ouch - tough fact, redshirt...

    by theBigE

    I'll have to find the data, but I saw that study which did find that conservatives give much more to charities than do liberals do. Liberals are waiting for the government to take care of things, rather than donate.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    John Stossel on ABC...

    by theBigE

    Stossel on ABC reported that conservatives donate up to 30% more of their income than liberals, despite making less money. They also give blood 18% more often than liberals.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    More importantly (not really)

    by magnetoelectric

    Didn't Stossel once say We should eat endangered species?<p> Yum, Polar bears<p> Ladies and Gentlemen , I give you John Stossel: The real Dr Hubert Farnsworth

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting...

    by chromedome

    ...or ANY time at all here at AICN.<p>What do you get when two comedians throw a mock rally to make fun of extremists on the left and right? Extremists on the left and right battling in brave anonymity in an AICN Talkback.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    the tea party are a bunch of

    by JaredP

    right wing lunatic racist homophobic nutjobs if they get , which i doubt they will, they won't get shit done for the poor only raise their taxes an blame democrats. rednecks are so stupid they can't see that they're voting for the enemy. when are they going to learn this party is against them they are not a seperate party from republicans they're just republicans with a different banner

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    fuck john boehner and mitch mcconnell

    by JaredP

    those two windbags will fuck everything up

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by JaredP

    bullshit if conservatives are so compassionate where was that compassion when terri schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state? i'll tell you where they were in washington trying to get a bill passed to keep her keep her suffering did i mention this bill was only meant for terri schiavo? you call that compassion bige? i call it sticking your nose where it didn't belong

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    "The Rally To...

    by DoctorWho?

    ... Reassure Ourselves That We’re Not the Ones Who Fucked Everything Up."<p> Yeah, run with that.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by funkylovemonkey

    Actually there are two charities that are getting the benefit of the rally, the first is Donor's Choose which goes towards education and the second is to restore and maintain the National Mall. I know you were being swarmy thinking that Beck's disciples were the only people who give to charity, but I thought I would correct you. And Monroville, there are a few inaccuracies in your long diatribe. One is that the court packing incident did not blackmail the SC, in fact it almost killed FDR politically. The idea that any part of the New Deal made it past the SC because they were afraid of FDR is ridiculous. Secondly, any claim made that in 1929 we were in a recession and the New Deal caused a Depression is a minority view held mostly by right wing pundits and not by serious historians or economists. Why? Because the numbers don't add up. Hoover was President for the first three years of the Depression, and during his Presidency it was an uncontrolled slide to the bottom. Unemployment went from 5% to 23% and the real GDP went from 1 trillion to 600 billion (adjusted for inflation). Every economic indicator was in an uncontrolled slide during Hoover's three years. When FDR came in and implemented the New Deal there was an immediate uptake of every economic indicator. Unemployment in the first six years of the New Deal dropped steadily from 23% to 14%. GDP went from 600 billion back to pre-depression era rates at 1 billion. In fact the very opposite of what you said happened, FDR moved the Great Depression into a Recession. What happened that prolonged it? FDR was convinced by budget hawks to balance the budget as all economic indicators were back on their way up. So FDR ended the New Deal which sent shockwaves through the country and caused the second market crash of 1937. The economy again fell into a slide without the New Deal propping it up. The fact is, and nobody, not even people on the right disagree with this (although they don't connect the dots) is that the Great Depression was ended by WWII. What was WWII? A massive spending program. While the US only spent 6 billion on the New Deal, it spent 60 billion on WWII. If anything the problem with the New Deal was that it did not go far enough. This is not a maverick theory, btw, it's pretty well accepted except for a few who have political motivations to disqualify the New Deal (in fact when most pundits first started coming out against the stimulus they showed the numbers from 1929 and then 1938 showing that there hadn't been much economic progress conveniently skipping over the years of recovery, the second stock market crash and the end of the New Deal in 1937.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    and I meant

    by funkylovemonkey

    smarmy, not swarmy

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST


    by funkylovemonkey

    It's difficult to draw a straight line between the tax cuts of Harding and Coolidge (not Hoover, although he was a part of their administrations) and the end of the post WWI depression. That depression ended in 1921, with a brief aftershock recession in 1922. Harding did not start cutting taxes until 1922 and wouldn't finish until 1924, long after the post war Depression was over. The tax cuts simply reversed an increase in taxes to pay for WWI.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    I was not being smarmy, and you didn't correct me. I never said that Stewart wasn't supporting a charity, I only said that I look forward to seeing how much they give. Don't know about Donors choose, but a charity to protect the national mall? Sorry, kids of dead soldiers is way better. The more given to charity, however, we all win. I just want Becks donation acknowledge and appreciated for what it is.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    by Carl's hat

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    by Carl's hat

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    by Carl's hat

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    by Carl's hat

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Slightly Off Topic: A CHARITY needed for the Mall?

    by chromedome

    Seems like some of the billions upon billions of tax dollars oughta ensure that the nation's capital is well-maintained.<p>The idea that we need a formal Charity soliciting donations just to keep things clean and in good repair is kinda ludicrous (and sad)

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Hey, and...

    by jdb1972

    ... apparently Cat "Salman Rushdie must die!" Stevens put in an appearance, too. Tolerance!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Right on jdb1972!

    by DoctorWho?

    Any half informed nitwit knows that Cat Stevens sides with homicidal religious zealotry.I'll provide the quotes if needed.<p> It's easy to make riddicule Christians, Mormons etc...the mainstream press and Hollywood are total pussies when it comes to REAL zealotry. Pfft.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I was fascinated by Obama's recent interview...

    by CountryBoy

    ... where he encouraged Hispanics to "punish our enemies." THAT is what I call tolerance! I will never forget that line: no matter how often Obama tries to position himself as being solely concerned for the plight of the average American (except, I guess, for the "stupid" Cambridge police)... I will never foreget that this icon of compassion exhorted his listeners to "punish our enemies."

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Yeah! And did you see? Stewart introduced him only as "Yusuf", not mentioning the "Islam" last name. Wonder why? If the left is going to claim that guy as a moderate muslim, it proves there is no such thing.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by JaredP

    cat stevens NEVER said salman rushdie SHOULD die he said he only said that the book of koran stipulated that he must die for taking all of his muslim beliefs and writning them in his book "the satanic verses" thats what he said don't try to lump all followers of islam into one category like bigot or antagonistic

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10 p.m. CST


    by Philbert

    Obama is a divider and a class warrior straight out the agit prop left wing terrorists of the 60s. He never had any intention of doing anything other than subverting the constitution and creating new and vast powers for the government to stamp on the rights of the little people.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    I quote the transcript from a 1989 panel "yusuf Islam" was on: "Robertson: You don’t think that this man deserves to die? Y. Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie? Robertson: Yes. Y. Islam: Yes, yes. Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner? Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act – perhaps, yes. …." Yusuf thinks he should die, and would do it himself if ordered. Deal with the truth, dude, and admit you are wrong.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I was there...

    by bobbyjoe1985

    There was a majority of white people, but implying it was a minority-less crowd is ridiculous, they just happened to be the...minority. I also think it is sad that you are all getting worked up over a comedy show. Besides, regardless of your beliefs, we were all pulled out of a vagina once, so why not quit arguing over something as pointless as crowd size and put all of our creativity, energy and diversity into actually working together to make things better? I'd like to see a world where we are all considered just human beings instead of democrat, republican, gay, straight, black, white.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    As much as we all love movies

    by terry1978

    All it takes is politics, religion or race for us to just say fuck you to any similarities we may have had beforehand. Meh.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Compare the aerial crowd photos for yourself

    by Chewtoy

    You'll have to remove any spaces that AICN traditionally drops into links, but here are bit CBS crowd estimate stories, with the pictures:<p> Stewart's rally: <p> Beck's rally: <P> That reflecting pond takes up a lot of space, doesn't it?

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I didn't read any of the above comments

    by WerePlatypus

    before posting this. And for that small measure of self control, I get back all that time and can now reward myself with watching a movie. See ya later, suckers!

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Attention Liberals

    by Robothomer

    Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    CBS owned by Viacom...

    by OutsideChance

    ...which also owns Comedy Central. No conflict of interest there. Nope. Nosiree.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    LOL IDIOTS ...BECK had some 350,000

    by Sloppy2nds

    Look at the arial photos of each event. Beck had more than twice as many people at his rally than Stewarts. Some assholes just love to report bullshit information instead of researching it them selves.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by Keblar

    You need to get some AI and think for yourself: That's a misquote. He did say, "Rum sodomy and the lash though" which is likely more up your alley (pun intended).

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Sloopy2nd hand info: Give me a link to Beck's photos.

    by Keblar

    I'd like to see for myself (given that linked photos are from a variable source). I was there today so I would be able to personally vouch for any of today's photos : heavy density Waaayyy past the Smithsonian, moderate density up to Wash, monument, moderate to light past Monument and for a full block beyond the mall N and S. Plus folks generally meandering about. Best estimates would be from photos taken in from 2:30 the 3 as people generally gathered, stopped, and coalesced to watch the closing.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Damned spell check...

    by Keblar

    Was trying to ask for a verifiable source; of course sources are 'variable', that's the problem.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Even the D.C PD said Stewarts crowd was larger.

    by ganymede3010

    Fuck off you demented earth is 6000 years old inbred Jesus Freaks.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Hercules (jesus christ...)...

    by Monroville

    Who really gives a sh*t what CBS, the National Park rangers, Beck or anyone has to say when we have the G-D photos to look at with our own eyes? I do not need someone to tell me how many people were there when I can see for myself and pretty much figure it out from there. <p> Now does anyone have any aerial photos of Stewart's rally from the same angle, so we can do a straight-up comparison? I've seen the pic linked above, but it is from a completely different perspective (though I would say that there are at least 200,000 people there, if not more).

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Damn, Apparently Churchill didn't even say that,

    by Keblar

    "Rum, sodomy, and the lash," can't be attributed to him, but apparently he had least admitted to wishing he'd said it. Looks like Churchill never actually say anything at all? In fact, Drudge Report says that in reality he was a mute.

  • Oct. 30, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    mine's bigger! no, mine is! way to miss the point.

    by WickedJacob

  • Oct. 31, 2010, midnight CST

    Someone please...provide a photo that disputes...

    by Keblar

    Chewtoy's CBS links. Because by those photos there is absolutely NO comparison. And I can even say that CBS's photo was likely early in the Rally, because by 3:00, it was a chore even just getting past the Smihsonian. And yet, everyone I met/saw seemed so self-aware and reasonable. Some a little kooky granted, but still reasonable.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    I don't think anyone missed the point, the point being this: Jon Stewart is one of the most respected and influential humorists of his generation, while Glenn Beck never got farther in show business than the morning zookeeper shift at Houston's KRBE-FM.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Larger or smaller it will have zero impact on anything

    by BoRock_A_Boomer

    Shitheads on parade

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    This is fantastic news!!!

    by Nabster

    I'm so glad John Stewart is showing the world there are more sane people than there are those insane ignorant tea baggers in America. Plus Becks audience were all geriatrics and people who will dead within the decade. And the average age of the Fox news viewer is 65!!!! THank god all those racists will be dead soon.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    lmao jon stewart humorist

    by happyboy

    he's a dude who couldn't make it with 2 late night talk shows or a movie career so he panders to morons who want to hate Republicans. seriously why do you post this political shit on aicn. do you feel smart regurgitating bullet for bullet talking points from the huffington post. try having thoughts of your own

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Nabster you mindless sheeple

    by happyboy

    I hope all old people die. Then all blacks. Then all Jews. Then everyone in the world will share my opinions and the world will be perfect.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Herc, you're numbers are BULLSHIT

    by Starship Captain

    Give me a fucking break. Talk about a slanted article with no grasp on reality. Ah, the genius of Herc: citing a crowd number for the Beck/Palin rally crafted by lefty CBS which specifically LOW BALLED the crowd size figure. Certainly in comparison to any other crowd size numbers calculated by even more reputable organizations, such as the National Park Service which said the Beck rally EASILY crossed 300,000.<p>So naturally when it comes to the Stewart libby love fest, what does Herc do? Yep, he goes with an overly INFLATED number created by the same fucking liberal retards at CBS. Because suddenly NOW the number suits the left's political purposes.<p>Good work, Herc. Nice to see you're still pimping for your fellow communists!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Damn, even Herc coming off like a whiny little bitch!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I'm disappointed to think he drawing himself into this pathetic debate of who had had the bigger crowd?<p>Really, Herc? Really???<p>Guess that means Herc is just another idiot who thinks 'crowd size' is more important than actual politics!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Herc, you stupid cunt...

    by DrManhattansTaint

    Beck (raging, insufferable douchebag though he is) has one of the biggest radio shows in the country, with millions of listeners, and a television show with millions of viewers. He's written a number of best selling books, and he has a live show that tours and sells out huge venues. He is, for better or worse, a media mogul. I can't stand the guy, I think he's a huge turd. But, to say that he never got any further in show business than a two bit morning show is just fucking moronic.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    On Tuesday all Liberals become PRISON BITCHES

    by Starship Captain

    Sorry, Libtards -- in about 72 hours, for being the total ass wipes that you are, and for trying to turn the USA into a socialist country, you're going to get pink slipped by PATRIOTIC American voters and get your asses reamed in a truly historic way.<p>Then again, being the whiny prison bitches that you are, you'll actually enjoy the ass reaming!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    I obviously meant "real" showbiz. I would not classify as entertainment scaring superstitious old people with nonsense.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    ok, soooo...

    by DrManhattansTaint

    It's not YOUR definition of showbiz. But, for everyone else in the non-delusional/not driven to irrational hyperbole because of their political beliefs real world, radio show/television show/New York Times best sellers lists means something. I will agree with you on the "nonsense" part. He's a fucking nut job, and how he ever made it that far is beyond me.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Better numbers for Stewart's rally means

    by Nerd Rage

    faith in humanity is restored.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:59 a.m. CST

    News about conservatives...

    by BizarroJerry

    Conservative does not equal Glenn Beck follower. It also does not equal tea partier. While all those people are likely conservatives, all conservatives are not those people.<p>Also, conservative-leaning moderate, I will say this. Rush is an obnoxious person with some occasional good points, Beck is a lunatic, and the term tea bagger is unoriginal and childish. Though I admit it's kinda funny that some liberals managed to get that term to mainstream with some news folks obviously missing the joke. And some who probably do.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    The NPS DOES NOT do estimates...

    by Keblar

    For around the 5th time here, and god knows how many times elsewhere: The Park service DOES NOT, REPEAT (sixth time?) DOES NOT do crowd estimates. They are a federal agency, and since therefore ostensibly apolitical, crowd estimates were long ago deemed to be a conflict of interest.<p> Repeating something doesn't make it true. <p> The figure people keep throwing around was allegedly attributed to an anonymous park service employee - completely unverifiable and and unreliable. I repeat again: someone please link to reliable photographs that show crowd size. From EVERYTHING I've seen, including in person with mine own eyeses, today EASILY double, perhaps even tripled the long touted Beck Palin Rally.<p> Why is crowd in fact relevant? Because extremists - in this case teapartican-ocrats - are loud, like small dogs trying to convince other dogs that they are bigger than they actually are. This Rally was by its nature intended to an apolitical demonstration that MOST of America is composed of people who AREN'T consumed by hate and fear on either side: reasonable rational people take their country serious enough to travel hundreds, even thousands of miles, to make this point, even though they don't always take themselves seriously, and even though they have better shit to do than be consumed by their fears and bark all day long.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    is correct.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Stewart better be careful

    by Ben_Fucking_Affleck

    Obama HATES Jews... Beck LOVES Jews... If Stewart puts all his faith in Obama, he might wind up with a dull machette slicing his head off... Beck on the other hand, loves the Jews... Colbert on the other hand is just a window licking retard so it doesn't matter with him...

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah can't wait till the repubs are back in power

    by Nerd Rage

    So they can start a couple more expensive never-ending wars while giving tax cuts to the super-rich and cutting benefits to families out of work. And can't wait till all the inbred flag-waving retard co-sign every gung ho policy that ruined the economy in the first place. Bush raised the deficit and all these tea party hypocrites sucked his dick for eight long years. The black guy gets in for under two years and people act like he ruined the economy and started two wars with no exit strategy. Hypocrites, liars and whores shrouded in the American flag while using America as a condom for the rich diseased penis that rapes the planet.

  • The revolution will be televised. Just sayin'.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST

    If all the people who turned out for this rally . . .

    by hulkdog

    . . . TUNED in to MSNBC or CNN, they might come close to half of Beck's average nightly viewership. The revolution will be televised, I think.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:34 a.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    You are such a partisan liar, dude! Even CBS admitted tonight that the Beck crowd was larger than Clown Fest today. Get it right, my extremely biased (and I mean EXTREMELY) friend. <p> Jesus H. Christ! I am not a fan of Beck...but...geez! Do you even realize how liberally biased that you are? You really make yourself look pretty bad!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Beck's massive viewership doesn't legitimize his views

    by Nerd Rage

    It's just an argument for more birth control in red states.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Some great quotes from attendees...

    by DoctorWho?

    "Liz Pifer, a student at Robert Morris University in Pittsburgh, Pa., told TheDC that though she plans to vote in the midterm elections on Tuesday, she didn’t know who was running for Pennsylvania’s open Senate seat. She later said that she thought Joe Sestak was running, and that she’ll probably vote for him because he’s a Democrat. As for House candidates, she said, “I don’t know who’s running.”<p> "Tara Formica, a junior in college in New Jersey, told TheDC she’s not sure if she’ll vote on Tuesday, and that “it kind of just depends.” She said she came to the rally Saturday “just to come,” and that she didn’t know who was running in her district."<p> "Jared Young, a California resident who attended the rally... He said he wrote himself in on the ballot for the Senator seat and voted for the Green Party candidate in the governor race – even though he had no idea who the candidate was. “I’m not kidding,” Young said. “I really did that.”<p> "McIntosh, who is registered in Virginia, said he plans vote Tuesday for Democratic candidates down the line, even though he doesn’t know who they are."<p> "Melissa Miller, who came to rally from Texas with her husband Tom, said, told TheDC she’s voting for the Democrat House candidate, but couldn’t name the candidate from her district."<p> "Shoshana Senn, 15, of Arlington, Va., thinks Tea Partiers are “dumb.”<p> Ah yes, the enlightened electorate. <p> The Rally To Support Hipster Irony.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Hercules...the little respect that I had left for you...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...was flushed by this ridiculously stupid "article" that you wrote.<p>Flush!</p> <p> I wonder how many of those potheads who attended CLOWN FEST 2010 will help liberal gods as they are voted out by the scores on Tuesday? </p> Oh wait. Hercules probably thinks that his liberal gods will remain in power! Ideologues are often oblivious to fact and even current events. They prefer their comedy.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for TUESDAY!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That will be the REAL attempt by Americans to "RESTORE SANITY." <p>When liberal fanatics are voted out by the vast majority of Americans, liberals will have to resort to their ridiculous "Americans are stupid" rhetoric. </p>

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST

    wow a quote from a 15 year old

    by Nerd Rage

    Really scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we, Dr. Who.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:47 a.m. CST

    The Beck rally was a joke

    by Nerd Rage

    but we were laughing at them, not with them.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Be careful people: Hercules...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...has a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn to go along with his crazy misinformation! He reminds me of the Iraqi propaganda minister. <p> "<i>There are no Americans in Bagdad! We defeated the Americans by the hand of Allah!</i>" </p>

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Republican winning on Tuesday will restore sanity?

    by Nerd Rage

    You call Bush's eight years as sanity? That shit was bizzaro world. Tax cuts for the rich during war with a country with imaginary threats. Tremendous spending while future tea partiers watch in silence. Torture is considered patriotic for the first time in America's history. Fucking bizarro world.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2 a.m. CST

    It just goes to prove...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...that liberals will believe ANYTHING that their masters tell them too...<p>...and that they remain oblivious to what mainstream America believes or cares about. </p> People like Stewart, Pelosi, Barney Frank and even Hercules think that they are a typical "moderate" representative of America (lol). Yet they then spew all sorts of scorn and ridicule on the 82% of the nation that is NOT Liberal (but are, instead, Moderate or Conservative). </p> <p>Then, when they lose major elections, they throw their hands into the air and question the sanity of voters or suggest that "extremists" won again.</p> <p>Liberal fanatics (who claim to be "moderate") are calling REAL Moderates and Conservatives "extremists?" Go figure.</p> Well, at least we can rest assured that most liberals will have a difficult time sleeping without alcohol on Tuesday night! The rest of us will be sleeping soundly and with a smile, getting up early the next morning to go back to work and continue paying all of Joe Biden's "patriotic" taxes that support the nanny state that liberals tried to create.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Nerd Rage

    by redshirt

    Ha, you crack me up. I love all this worry about torture, as if it hasn't happened in every war in the history of the world, by every side that was at war. Think our GI's in WW2 didn't beat the shit out of some nazis to get some info? Or even that some of our colonials didn't beat the crap out of some redcoats? Moron. War is horrible, and you do whatever you have to to win and save your sides lives.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    I find the impotent anger

    by funkylovemonkey

    amusing. There are a lot of people furious about this rally, despite the fact that it wasn't really that partisan. Which all the angry people would know if they had actually watched it. In fact the targets they took on weren't one party or the other but the 24 hour news shows, especially MSNBC and Fox News. This rally wasn't about getting out to vote Democrat, it was about the incredible irresponsibility of news organizations exaggerating everything and giving a megaphone to the dumbest and the least informed. How news organizations have gone from reporting the news to becoming the news and creating echo chambers of hate to incite both sides against each other. Because that's what gets ratings. This talk back is a perfect example of what has happened, and Herc obviously very purposefully and even cynically poking at conservatives to get them to say increasingly angry and stupid things. It's good for site traffic and makes the talk back huge. The difference is this is an entertainment site.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Nerd Rage...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Six of Bush's eight years in office held RECORD PROSPERITY in this nation -- even in the shadow of 9/11. <p> Now, the propagandists have spent six years declaring Bush a complete and utter failure. However, history (and economics) know otherwise. </p><p> This nation enjoyed record LOW unemployment and record LOW inflation for five of Bush's eight years in office! It wasn't until LIBERAL FANATICS in the modern Democratic Party took over in 2006 that things took a turn for the worse. </p><p> Look up the roles of Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd (both Democrats) in the economic crisis. </p>...and watch out for that Kool-Aid that spinsters from the DNC are trying to give you. It is spiked with, uh, some rancid Pelosi juice.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:07 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Now the libs are starting to talk about the need to work together, and respect each other and work across party lines. Yet they completely shut the right out when they had the numbers. Do I smell desperation?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    The problem with this sentiment is that it ignores the obvious. There isn't just bias in MSNBC and Fox News. <p>The vast majority of the mainstream media (including ABC, NBC, CBS and most newspapers) swings very far to the left of center. </p> <p>18% of the nation considers themselves "liberal" (the other 82% say that they are Moderate or Conservative). Yet, 91% of the journalists in the media consider themselves "liberal." The majority of big media newspapers supported liberal candidates and liberal proposition initiatives 8-to-1 margin. </p> <p>Harvard University has even conducted TWO recent studies that concluded that the media is decidedly biased. Yet many Liberals can't recognize their own intrinsic bias. If you ask Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama, they will tell you that they truly believe that they are "mainstream" in regard to their socioeconomic views. </p> <p>Fox News will readily admit that their pundits lean to the left...and that their "balance" is meant to offset the obvious bias found in most other major news outlets. As a result, their ratings are through the roof -- even though the other outlets and liberal fanatics everywhere spew all sorts of ridicule at that network (but not doing the same to other obviously left-biased outlets). </p> <p>IMHO, Liberals are like those bad drivers here in the San Francisco Bay Area (tax hell). They have 20/400 vision -- but don't realize that their vision is not "normal." It reminds me of the people who believe that their "reality" IS reality as they are chained to the back of a cave watching shadows on the wall (as in Plato's Allegory of the Cave). </p> THE SHAYS had it right when they sang that "the brainwashed don't know that they are brainwashed."

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Hey idiot America doesn't torture

    by Nerd Rage

    We're supposed to be a beacon for justice, human rights and civilized behavior. One of the reasons we're considered the good guys over Soviets and the Japanese was our better treatment of our prisoners. Fucking Dubya and Cheney did their best to take America back to the Dark Ages. Is there anything Bush did that you sociopaths won't co-sign?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I do hope that you are right about Hercules. <p> I do hope that he is doing this to provoke responses and isn't the mindless liberal fanatic that he tries to make us think that he is. Otherwise, it makes me want to refrain from reading ANY of his pathetic liberal articles.</p> <p> After all, this is an ENTERTAINMENT website...yet Herc constantly tries to make it the TV wing of the Huffington Post. </p> But no one could be THAT dumb...right? Let's just hope that this is Hercules trying to increase the readers of his, um, "articles" by invoking such ridiculous liberal tripe.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Nerd Rage

    by redshirt

    So you honestly believe that America NEVER mistreated a prisoner of war until W? Hell, eve Obama himself still allows "rendition". You are quite naive. And if you think that is the reason we were better than the soviets or the japs you need to read a history book or two.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Nerd Rage...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    We have been torturing suspected terrorists long before George Bush, my gullible friend. <p> Thankfully, that torture yielded the arrests of terrorists and stopped several terrorist plots (and even Obama has admitted this...after the fact). </p>It is just too bad that we didn't torture a terrorist BEFORE 9/11. Several thousands of lives could have been saved.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    "Really scrapping the bottom of the barrel"

    by DoctorWho?

    That's rich coming from you Nerd Rage.<p> Considering your post at 1:24 was pure temper tantrum and zero substance. Possibly one of the most vapid posts EVER.<p> But that's what you are all about... <p> Vitriol. <p> All of these sanctimonious calls for a return of civility that we’ve been swamped with for the last two years?...Pure Bullshit. <p> Name calling. It's your (leftists )default position now, whatever the issue.<p> Joy Behar can think of nothing to say about Sharron Angle’s position on immigration other than to call her a bitch.(I know you don't know who Sharon Angle is, but the point stands).<p> You've lost the ability to argue intelligently and simply insist that anyone who disagrees with you is either a bigot or mentally ill. Like Juan Williams right?<p> And that’s why the left is losing this election, because they’ve lost the ability to argue. You don't even know the causes of this tsunami. <p> The people who are defending the President are people like Joy Behar, Steven Colbert and his joke appearance in front of Congress, Al Franken, Bill Maher. <p> That's it? LOL. That's all you've got? These are serious thinkers? <p> If you were the Democratic Party...real SANE LIBERALS not leftist wackos...are these really the people you would want to be your public face, and the public face of your positions to the American people?<p> Now go ahead and spend 3 paragraphs calling me a douche beg and a homo blah blah blah. You're a joke.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Gotta run...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    My wife is wondering what is so important as to make comments to more of Hercules' propaganda. <p> She rolled her eyes and told me that he can live in his delusion until Tuesday night. Then, on Wednesday, he can complain about how someone "stole" the elections from Democrats across the nation. </p> <p>You know, people like that really believe in a "vast right wing conspiracy." Go figure. </p> Goodnight! See you at the polls on Tuesday -- the REAL "restore sanity" rally!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:30 a.m. CST

    OF course, Herc will probably spend Monday and Tuesday...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...making calls to his fellow Texans on behalf of Bill White. Liberals actually think that extremely liberal Bill White has a chance in Texas. Sanity? Talk about DELUSION!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    At the end of the day

    by NYSCO6390

    Who cares whose crowd was bigger. Why do Beck's people constantly have to crow that their crowd was bigger? Because from their point of view, they're tied of being shat upon. I'm not a Beck fan, but I lean very right and I'm tired of it too. All one has to do and say "Ya know, I think Mr Obama is leading the country down a bad path" or "I think I pay a lot more in taxes than I should" and the instant response is "TEAGBAGGING BIRTHER MOFO RACIST PIG GO DIE!" Someone says "Socialized medicine hasn't worked in any other country" and the retort is "The Republican health plan is don't get sick, and if you do, die quickly." Someone can say they wouldn't take their daughter to the gay pride parade where some dude's got his junk hanging out with but a sock on it, and the response is "You intolerant unfit bigoted monster you're probably a closet c**ksucker yourself!" We're all tired of it. But Tuesday we get to have our turn. Now can we please go back to saying things like "What the hell kind of shitty title is The Dark of the Moon?"

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    very well spoken,my friend. You nailed them exactly.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    I can't believe

    by boyalien

    ANY right-minded American would EVER, EVER, EVER advocate torture. ccchhhrrriiisssm, you're a horrible person. Just, like, all the way down to your core. Liberals may be pussies, and sometimes elitist, and may feign a high level of intelligence from time to time, but conservatives and Republicans in general are just fucking horrible human beings. Or, they're closet homosexuals. Take your pick.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST

    My dick is bigger than your dick!!!!!

    by DoctorWho?

    Please stop this inane pissing contest. Size does not this case anyway ;)<p>

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill. You need to read up on the real world. This isn't a fantasy land.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:51 a.m. CST

    I love how

    by boyalien

    all the faux-Christian neo-cons who spout this garbage about liberals being the intolerant ones are the same people who publicly rant about their desire to see all homosexuals commit suicide, on fucking facebook no less!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Winston Churchill quotes

    by boyalien

    Have absolutely nothing to do with present day American realities. Take that shit and shove it, moron.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST


    by boyalien

    is fucking unacceptable and completely UNAMERICAN. There is absolutely no argument you can make to the contrary. Go through the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights, and Constitution with a fine-tooth comb. Nothin'.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    That quote applies at any point in time in human history. And name calling is the last refuge of losing an argument. You were far too easy to unbalance.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Bush had record prosperity?

    by Nerd Rage

    Try record deficits. and Clinton created four times as many jobs as Bush over the same period. A wing nut like you would suggest the housing bubble was purely the democrats' fault. Is Alan Greenspan a democrat too? You completely ignored his contributions of low interest rates and deregulation of investment banks. Bush could've done more to lessen the blow of the housing bubble but it seems the only time he believed in smaller government was when disaster was on the horizon like the finacial crisis or Katrina. The rest of the time he was a big government spender while all your future tea party friend were too busy licking his nuts to care. Fucking hypocrites.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Namecalling online

    by boyalien

    Is just the name of the game. See, you're not in front of me, and so I do not fear you. So, fuck off, you're a douchebag, etc.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    So are you saying that America never did it until W? You think any nation would codify it? There are gray areas which will always exist. You just don't understand human nature.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST


    by boyalien

    If that quote applies at any point in human history, then it applies to humans before Winston Churchill was're a fucking idiot.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST

    No, I'm sure we've been doing it since the dawn of the country.

    by boyalien

    That doesn't make it right. That doesn't mean we condone it. Rogue elements will certainly exist when you start the great experiment that is a democracy.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    I don't believe he was advocating torture. You know like, "Let's just torture random people because I am sadist". No sane individual can endorse wholesale torture.<p> The question is, why would you (or liberals in general) close your eyes, cover your ears and go LALALALALALALALALALALLA" so as to ignore that there are true atrocities and brutality engaged in by individuals whose savagery far exceeds any interrogation methods we hear of.<p> You know...Saddam's rape rooms, forcing fathers to watch while his wife and daughters are brutalized. <p> Baathists attaching car battery cables to testicles. <p> Terrorists planting an IED in the corpse of a young child so as to kill the parents trying to retrieve him/her.<p> God knows I could go on and on.<p> At the risk of sounding like a torture advocate which you will no doubt label me...I just think there are degrees of this stuff which need to be faced. Don't hide from it. This type of state sponsored cruelty needs to be fought.<p> My Theory: Most leftist/liberals like to say it doesn't exist because once they admit that it does, doing nothing is tantamount to endorsing it. Better to cover those ears and close those eyes eh? <p> What's on tv? <p> Let's play xbox!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:05 a.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    You just may be my new hero.<p> Well done sir!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:08 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Your last point about Churchill was absolute nonsense. I never said it was right, I just said it happened, and it always will. In desperate times, men do desperate things. It will never change. And I will not judge men who do something in the terror of battle, or desperate to save lives while time is ticking away. You are very comfortable in your soft chair at home, safe, making judgments.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I can't believe people are arguing Beck's crowd was larger

    by hst666

    Just look at the photos

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:17 a.m. CST


    by Nerd Rage

    You think progressives have a monopoly on namecalling? Are you that biased? And I'll take a comedian over the Glenn Becks any day of the week. At least the comedians know the difference between serious public debate and entertainment.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:23 a.m. CST


    by mulberry

    "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill" <p>Is that the same Winston Churchill who was MP for the Conservatives, then the Liberals, then the Conservatives again? <p>Hate to think he was just justifying his own past actions with that quote. <p>Also hate to think that anyone would think that "Liberal" and "Conservative" as used in the quote (British political parties, probably focusing on period from WWI to 1950s) has much to do with the terms "conservative" and "liberal" as used in 2010 US political "debate".

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Bad Ashe

    by Nerd Rage

    So family planning is "forced population control"? and to support the seperation of church and state is an attempt to rid America of religious belief? You've been drinking too much of that right wing radio kool aid.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST

    OK Nerd Rage

    by DoctorWho?

    "And I'll take a comedian over the Glenn Becks any day of the week. At least the comedians know the difference between serious public debate and entertainment."<p> That's both a sad and revealing comment. <p> Your knowledge of anything 'conservative' or even right of center is Glen Beck and Fox news. Just keep on dialing up Jon Stewart and Bill Maher. I'll stick with Thomas Sole, Victor Davis Hanson et al You establish your philosophical/world view (such as it is) on a foundation of pop-culture. What you see in movies, hear in music, what your favorite celebrities say...these are things that inform your politics. <p> Read the Federalist Papers. Study Thomas Jefferson. "Conservatives are eeeevvvviiillllll blahbalhblah". Whatever It's just weak, silly and cartoon bullshit. I have know desire to change your mind or anyone else's but shheessh.... have an informed argument. Turn off the fucking noise machine.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST


    by Nerd Rage

    What does rape rooms and IEDs have to do with America torturing people? The CIA approved waterboarding which both the Khmer Rouge and the Gestapo both did. That's some great company you've got there.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST


    by redshirt

    I would add to your list of who you are sticking with the following: Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, and Hugh Hewitt. They are great examples of conservatism.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Nerd Rage

    by redshirt

    You do know that we waterboard our special ops people as part of their training, right? Does that fill you with outrage? or only when we do it to people who want to kill Americans?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST

    I can't help thinking...

    by solvseus

    ... that a lot of you guys are missing the point of what this rally was supposed to be. It's not this. We should be able to have a healthy rational discussion, facts and opinion based on reality, but you'd rather argue and name call. Just like the media (who is not so much liberal or corporate as it is about ratings, which comes from controversy and yelling and such) and politicians want you to. Both sides have their problems and their crazies, we should all be able to agree on that. Don't make me start making false equivalencies, but you all know it's true. And while this country falls to $#!% once more, most of you still seem to prefer the "them vs. us" bs that's been tearing us apart and making everything worse. Makes great ratings, gets the votes, but it distracts us from the real problems that need real solutions. <p></p>I know I blast a lot of conservatives here for posting something I know to be incorrect or using all those -ists that are nowhere near accurate, but you will not find me defending the worst of the left, nor the so called moderates, who usually just compromise to the point where everything is so watered down no one is happy. We should be able to talk without all this. We should be able to find solutions together. Instead we're partisan douches, or (most of us actually) just don't even bother. Happy Samhain bitches, enjoy it while you can, because we're screwed no matter who wins this elections.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Don't try to educate motherfucker

    by Nerd Rage

    You really think Thomas Jefferson had anything in common with Glenn Beck and his followers? Maybe you should be writing jokes for a living.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Michael Medved's a prissy, prudish bitch.

    by BurnHollywood

    Motherfucker makes my skin crawl.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Sanity and Moderatism means drop the Cable TV Pundits

    by NerdRageFanClub

    If you use "wingnuts" and "teabaggers" you are just as bad as "them". Beck and Stewart use each other to funnel your rage into attention for themselves. The rally was painful to watch with all the old people like obscure in 2010 SNL alum Sarducci, Cat "Yousef" Stevens, and Osbourne. Time to own up and admit what the rally really was: White People doing The Wave.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Do you really think waterboarding during training

    by Nerd Rage

    is like being waterboarded by an enemy. I guess the tear gas at boot camp is just like a chemical attack on the battle field. Right?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:41 a.m. CST



  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:45 a.m. CST

    I was at both

    by squarebird

    and it felt about the same to me. The main difference was that the Beck rally was spread out over more hours, so not everyone was there t one time. Except for Glenn's main speech. Despite a lot of us Jon Stewart/Tea Party fans, the Beck rally was a bit less partisan. The organizers there would not have shut down any signs of politicians wearing Hitler mustaches.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:50 a.m. CST

    I was at both

    by squarebird

    I mean they would not have tolerated any Hitler mustaches. Both crowds seemed to go out of their way to be simply "nice" .. and both were what I would call family friendly. Glenn's rally wan't a Tea Party rally, but there were a lot of us there. Since the media seems to obsess on the subject, I will say there were MANY more African Americans at the Beck rally .. seemed to be more Hispanics and Asians at the Stewart rally, but really it was overall lilly white.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST

    All Of This Is Nothing Special Or New

    by TheRevenge

    So what if the Republicans take back The House on Tuesday? They aren't expected to take back The Senate and they likely won't (but might) take a majority of Governor seats. So...why the chest thumping and back patting? They'll take many seats in The House...but...that's not special. That's politics. It's business as usual. It's not exciting and fresh's just 1994. <br> <br> Fine. Let them take back The House. That's what the system is there for: checks and balances. Almost every political analyst in the country agrees that the Republicans taking over The House is a GOOD thing for Obama. It's likely his approval ratings will jump within 6 months due to the change. That's actually how it typically works in US Government. Heaven forbid any of you read your history. <br> <br> It's just not that special. Republicans (and Tea Partiers) are doing what they always do: They campaign from the far right and then govern more toward the middle. They get angry people to vote by using catchphrases ("small government", "freedom") and then wind up compromising where they said they would not. That's why Clinton was so successful under a Republican Congress. <br> <br> Do those of you who support The Tea Party really think that a handful of Freshman Congressmen are going to suddenly overtake DC and change everything? They'll get mowed REPUBLICANS, not Democrats. The seasoned vets in The GOP will get the Tea Party candidates to toe the party line, compromise and play nice...or ensure they get only one term. That's what wild Congressmen who go to DC and refuse to Compromise and love to stir the pot are called: One Termers. They make a lot of noise and get nothing done. The Tea Party will HAVE to compromise with one party or another in order to get anything done. That's how Government works. <br> <br> Republicans win elections based on platitudes and broad topics. Democrats always run based on specific issues. But the fact remains that most Americans vote for broad topics and platitudes...yet wind up siding with specific issues when it comes to actual governing. That's why compromise is so important and that's why Republicans (and Tea Partiers will) wind up governing more toward the middle. The problem we have now is that AM Radio and outspoken TV personalities have tried to convince The Tea Party that they are something special. They're not. Being an angry American who is pissed that you lost the Presidential Election and then showing up mid-term all pissed off and voting for Congress is NOT special. <br> <br> Nothing personal, but the Tea Party has never been anything but Republicans who don't want to call themselves that convincing other people to vote Republican and then not call themselves that. Once they're in office, they'll just wind up voting with The Republicans...who will still vastly outnumber them in Congress. And that ain't special. It's business as usual. So, take back The House. But the cockiness is laughable. The pendulum always swings and let's not pretend that this is a mandate because you win some seats. There is no poll that indicates Americans are any less divided than they have been. People don't go from being far left to far right in 22 months. Just screaming and making yourself more visible doesn't make your cause bigger than it is. And it doesn't make you suddenly "right". That's how children try to win an argument, not adults. <br> <br> If you're holding out some belief that Tuesday will suddenly bring an end to the Health Care Reform, or Social Security, or Medicare, or will suddenly eliminate income tax and triple the military while eliminating the Department of Education and PBS...and that your taxes will be cut in half and rich people will suddenly create new jobs instead of simply saving their money....You are in for serious disappointment. You will be surprised to find out just how little is going to change. <br> <br> And you should have paid more attention during Poly Sci in high school. That goes for all of you, left and right.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:11 a.m. CST

    If those figures are accurate this means Liberals...

    by gurugurugaijin

    ...have less important stuff to do than Conservatives. lol

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    It was boring. Beck's was boring too.

    by Travis_Crabtree

    Where will all these people be on Tuesday?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Boycott factory-farmed chicken.

    by Uncle Stan

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST

    For some reason I'm reminded of that scene in 300

    by Kevservo

    Where the Spartans meet up with the Acadians on the way to Thermopylae. Let's assume for a moment that these numbers are correct and Stewart DID have more people. Beck had more voters.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST


    by jdb1972

    Some group no one's ever heard of made up some numbers. Suuuuuure. Pity Commie Central didn't hold the rallies in the same place so we could compare the photos of the crowds.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    The thing with Stewart's rally is...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Stewart was the only intelligent person there. Everyone else was either baked or drunk or both.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST

    A message for all you commie jerkoffs

    by Hotrodjesus666

    Come tuesday patriotic americans are going to administer the biggest asskicking you will ever see to the liberals/socialists/communists who worship at the throne of Stewart and Barry Hussein. This country was great THE WAY IT WAS FOUNDED. Americans are rejecting this intrusion of big government into our lives. WE ARE BETTER THAN EUROPE. See what socialism has led to in France and Greece.As for you liberals: GET A JOB!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    TheRevenge FTMFinW!

    by DickBallsworth

    Eloquent, intelligent, and oh so on the mark. Well done. :)

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by Jared

    So, a couple hundred thousand hipsters show up to watch a 3 hour promo for Colbert and Stewart's shows. What exactly does it accomplish? The GOP still wins back the House and gains 7-8 Senate seats on Tuesday.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    If Glenn Beck tells you it's day...

    by PennsyDeux

    Then it's obviously night. Everything he, Palin and Tea Bagging Astroturf Birthers tell you are wrong. If they win Tuesday, America loses.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Wikileaks has exposed America as the nation of Neo Nazism

    by Nabster

    Americans are so ignorant because of their news media channels self censorship. Everyone else in the world nows the details of the largest and most shocking leak of military intelligence in history. And it has shamed America, but dumb fat ignorant Americans don't know any of this. Just as their media doesn't show the racist, oppressive, apartheid state of Israel. Seriously, everyone in the world knows Israel is a disgusting racist nation, except America.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    If not for the stimulus, Teabag GOP'ers...

    by PennsyDeux

    per a Philly Daily News editorial last week, unemployment would've topped 11%. Without TARP, how's about a 16%+ jobless rate, and a depression to boot.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Keith lays it out for you and I, part 1

    by PennsyDeux

    "You do not think your freedom is at stake next Tuesday? <p> "The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for senator from Nevada, Sharron Angle, compared rape to, quoting, "making lemons out of lemonade." She would deny an abortion even to a teenage girl who had been raped by her own father. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate to be the only Congressman in Delaware, Glen Urquhart, said "there is no problem that abortion can't make worse. I know good friends who are the product of rape." Mr. Urquhart also does not believe the phrase "separation of church and state" was said by Thomas Jefferson. He thinks it was Hitler: <p> "The next time your liberal friends ask you about the separation of church and state, ask them why they are Nazis." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Ohio 9th, Rich Iott, not only ran around in a Nazi uniform celebrating their military tactics, but implies he is a Veteran and as late as this March listed his occupation as "soldier" even though the volunteer militia to which he belongs has never been called, will never be called, to any active service, in the 29 years in which he has belonged to it. <p> It's more than just dress-up. They mean business - literally. The Tea-Party-and-Republican-candidate for New Jersey's 3rd House seat, Jon Runyan, defended corporate tax loopholes: <p> "Loopholes are there for a reason. They are to avoid people from really having to pay too many taxes." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for the Senate in West Virginia, John Raese, explained, <p> "I made **my** money the old-fashioned way, I inherited it. I think that's a great thing to do. I hope more people in this country have that opportunity as soon as we abolish inheritance tax in this country." <p> The inheritance tax applies only to estates larger than $3.5 million. For the 99.8 percent of Americans not affected by the estate tax, there is the minimum wage, which Mr. Raese also wants abolished. Or there is Social Security. <p> The Tea-Party-and-Republican-candidate in the Indiana 9th, Todd Young, says "Social Security, as so many of you know is a Ponzi scheme." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Wisconsin 8th, Reid Ribble, disagrees. Social Security "is, in fact, a Ponzi scheme." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Arizona 8th, Jesse Kelly, wants to resurrect President Bush's scam to transform Social Security into private investment accounts so the government can force you to spend part of your paycheck on Wall Street commissions, and so that market manipulators can wipe out your retirement money. <p> The Republican candidate in the Wisconsin 1st, Congressman Paul Ryan, has a more sophisticated plan: Personal investment Social Security, guaranteed dollar for dollar by the government. A fiscal fountain of youth, until you find out its cost: Ryan would pay for it by taxing the health insurance you get from your employer. <p> If you are not employed, Mrs. Angle of Nevada says unemployment benefits can neither be increased nor extended because that "has caused us to have a spoilage with our ability to go out and get a job… There are jobs that do exist. That's what we're saying, is that there are jobs." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Senator in Alaska, Joe Miller, says this is academic, because unemployment insurance is unconstitutional. His own wife received unemployment insurance after losing a temp job he got for her. Mr. Miller also called Medicaid unconstitutional. It proved his entire family had received Medicaid funds. <p> Mr. Miller also claims Social Security is unconstitutional, yet hypocritically he says it should still be paid out, and then the issue dumped into the laps of the states. <p> The Republican-and-Tea Party candidate for Senator in Colorado, Ken Buck, would not stop at butchering just Social Security. [He said] "would a Veterans Administration hospital that is run by the private sector be better run then by the public sector? In my view, yes." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Pennsylvania 4th, Keith Rothfus, has promised to overturn anything the Supreme Court decides, with which he disagrees: "Congress's ultimate weapon is funding. If the Supreme Court rules you have to do something, we'll just take away funding for it." <p> Back in Nevada Mrs. Angle decries health care - not reform, but health care itself. "Everything that they want to throw at us now is covered under 'autism'," she said. As to educating those children Mrs. Angle won't pay for, Mr. Buck of Colorado, waxes nostalgic: <p> "In the 1950's, we had the best schools in the world, and the United States government decided to get more involved in federal education…well, since, we've made education worse, we're gonna even get more involved." <p> In Ken Buck's America of 1957, fewer than one in five Black children graduated high school. Fewer than half of white children did. To the Tea-Party-and-Republican-candidate in the California 11th, David Harmer, Mr. Buck is a wild-eyed liberal. Mr. Harmer once advocated eliminating public schools altogether, and return education in this country to where it was before 1876: <p> "People acting in a free market found a variety of ways to pay for a variety of schools serving a variety of students, all without central command or control." And without girls, blacks, or even the slightest chance you could go to college. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Virginia 11th, Keith Fimian, is "not so sure we need a federal bureaucracy for education." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Florida 2nd, Steve Southerland, wants to "de-fund" the Department of Education because "we can't afford it." <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Texas 17th, Bill Flores, offers a tri-fecta plus a delusion. Get rid of "the pornographic endowment of the arts, department of energy, department of education" and with them, he says, ACORN. ACORN — which went out of business last April 1st. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Arizona 5th, David Schweikert, is "passionately" trying to eliminate the Department of Education because it's "unconstitutional." <p> And while one of the few threads uniting the ragamuffins who constitute the slate of Tea Party candidates is so-called 'strict interpretation' of that Constitution, Mr. Miller of Alaska wants, in fact, to change the Constitution. He wants to repeal the 17th amendment. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for senator from Utah, Mike Lee called the 17th amendment "a mistake." <p> <p> Last year, Mr. Buck of Colorado said the 17th amendment "took us down the wrong path." <p> The 17th amendment, of course, permits the direct election by the voters of U.S. Senators. Buck and Lee and Miller not only demand you elect them to the Senate; they hope to then deny you the right to elect somebody else, next time. <p> The ubiquitous Mrs. Angle, meanwhile, wants to repeal the 16th amendment. It provided for a federal income tax. Mrs. Angle does not explain how, without it, the federal government would pay for keeping out the Mexicans she specifically attacks in her newest commercial. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Senator from Kentucky Rand Paul wishes to repeal the 14th amendment because it interferes with a private business's right to ban black people from its premises, and also because it allows anyone born here in America to be American. He is worried about anchor babies. <p> The Republican candidate for the 1st District of Texas, Louie Gohmert, fears not anchor babies but terror babies — unborn infants brought to this country in the womb, ready for American citizenship and pre-programmed to blow things up fifteen or twenty years from now. Curiously, he has not been asked if he is in favor of aborting them. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Governor of Arizona, Jan Brewer, sees not terror fetuses but headless bodies in endless deserts murdered by immigrants who are nearly all drug mules. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Governor of Colorado, Dan Maes, believes a bike-sharing program is part of a plot to turn Denver into a metropolis run by the United Nations. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Senate from Delaware, Christine O'Donnell, believes she was cleared to read secret classified documents about China because she's been working for Non-Profit Organizations for the past fifteen years. She also believes China is plotting to take over the United States and the first evidence of this is that "China is drilling (for oil) off the coast of Florida." <p> This fear of the Chinese clearly does not extend to the Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Senate from Illinois, Mark Kirk. One day he held a fundraiser with American businessmen in China. The next day, he voted against closing tax incentives for outsourcing American jobs to places like China. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican-candidate for Senate from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson is also in favor of relocating employees. He testified against toughening laws on pedophiles and employers who shield them. He argued this could damage a business. A business like the Catholic Church. (continued next)...

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Keith lays it out for you and I, conclusion...

    by PennsyDeux

    <p> In Utah, the anti-bailout Senate candidate Mr. Lee, insists on not raising the liability limits for the next BP from $75 million to $10 billion: "You have a set of settled expectations that you give to a business when it decides to make an investment in this. Our country benefits from this type of activity…" <p> Asked by the Salt Lake City Tribune if that's a kind of bailout, if it leaves taxpayers on the hook for part of the damage, Lee admitted, "Well, yea, probably does." <p> Mr. Paul of Kentucky called the nationwide pressure on BP to increase its damage payments "un-American." He is also opposed to Federal Mine Safety regulations: <p> "The bottom line is: I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules. You are here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs." <p> Mr. Paul's admission that "I'm not an expert" does provide one of the few dovetails of the campaign. It matches nicely with Mr. Johnson of Wisconsin, who refuses to offer any specifics about his plan to deal with homeless veterans. He says, "This election is not about details." <p> Details have proved devilish for the Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for the second district of Virginia, Scott Ridgell He campaigned against the stimulus bill, including the Cash-for-Clunkers program. Mr. Ridgell is an automobile dealer, and happily made hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Cash-for-Clunkers program. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate in the Missouri 4th, Vicky Hartzler, says she and her husband are just small business owners. "We just want the government to leave us alone," she said. Hartzler and her husband have a farm. In the last fourteen years, that government they want to leave them alone, has given them subsidies totaling $774,000. <p> Mr. Raese of West Virginia told the Associated Press that "America is in an industrial coma" and blamed the "restrictor plate" that is "a bloated federal government." "I can't think," he added, "of very many times when a government agency has helped me." <p> The companies Mr. Raese owns have received $2.4 million in contracts from the federal government since 2000, and $32 million in contracts from the state government since 2000. <p> Back in Colorado, Mr. Buck apparently thought he was speaking to a campaign worker when he self-exposed his hypocrisy. In fact he was talking to a Democratic operative with a recorder in his pocket. Out of the blue, Tea Party nominee Buck blurted, "Will you tell those dumbasses at the Tea Party to stop asking me about birth certificates while I'm on the camera? God, what am I supposed to do?" <p> The contempt of Mr. Buck towards his own Tea Party, extends in many cases to reporters - and thus by proxy, to actual citizens. <p> For instance, the Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Governor of Maine, Paul LePage threatened to punch a radio reporter. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Governor of New York, Carl Paladino, threatened to "take out" a reporter from the most conservative newspaper in any major American city. <p> A spokesman told the reporter that he was now off the Palladino mailing list, which has, in the past, consisted of e-mails featuring racism, pornography, and bestiality. Mr. Miller's private security guards in Alaska detained and handcuffed a reporter, and threatened to handcuff two more, without any legal right to do so, at an event at a public school. <p> The security company was operating with an expired license; its chief, has links to extremist organizations; and the defense was that the guards didn't know the individual was a reporter, which implies it would be just dandy to handcuff an ordinary citizen. <p> Ms. O'Donnell threatened to sue a Delaware radio station if it did not destroy the videotape of her interview there.When she did not like a question, she snapped her fingers at her own press aide then shoved him. The campaign manager threatened to "crush" the station if it did not comply. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for the Senate from Florida, Marco Rubio dreams more of deportation than decapitation. He said, in March, "There are millions of people in America that hate our country, so why can't we just do a trade? We'll send you Sean Penn, Janeane Garofalo, and Keith Olbermann, and you can send us people that actually love this country." <p> This, incidentally, carries with it a tinge of irony. I don't know that any of his opponents has ever accused Mr. Rubio of not loving this country. He just doesn't love a lot of its people. The person they all love the least is of course the President. <p> The Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for Congress from the Florida 22nd, Allen West, had to leave our military after threatening to kill an Iraqi he was interrogating. Now he claims to have a higher security clearance than does the President. Mr. West also told his supporters that they could defeat his Democratic opponent by making the man afraid to leave his own home. <p> And Tea Party-and-Republican candidate for the House from the Michigan 7th, the ex-Congressman Tim Walberg, wants to blackmail the President into showing his birth certificate… to Rush Limbaugh. He figures he can extort this from President Obama by threatening to impeach him. <p> You are willing to let these people run this country? This is the America you want? This is the America you are willing to permit? These are the kinds of cranks, menaces, mercenaries and authoritarians you will turn this country over to? <p> If you sit there next Tuesday and let this happen, whose fault will that be? Not really theirs. They are taught that freedom is to be seized and rationed. They can sleep at night having advanced themselves and their puppeteers and to hell with everybody else. <p> They see the greatness of America not in its people but in its corporations. They see the success of America not in hard work but in business swindles. They see the worthiness of America not in its quality of life but in its quality of investing. They see the future of America not in progress, but in revolution to establish a theocracy for white males, with dissent caged and individuality suppressed. <p> They see America not for what is, nor what it can be. They see delusions, specters, fantasies; they see communists under every bed and a gun in every hand. They see tax breaks for the rich and delayed retirement for everyone else. They fight the redistribution of wealth not because they oppose redistribution, but because their sole purpose is to protect wealth and keep it where they think it belongs - in the bank accounts of the wealth<y>. They want to make the world safe for Bernie Madoff. <p> But you know better. If you sit there next Tuesday - if you sit there tomorrow, and the rest of this week - and you let this cataclysm unfold, you have enabled this. It is one thing to be attacked by those who would destroy America from without. It is a worse thing to be attacked by those who would destroy America from within. <p> But it is the worst thing to sit back and let it happen, to not find the time and the means to convince just one other sane voter to put aside the disappointment of the last two years and look to the future and vote. Because the disappointment of the last two years will be the "good old days" in a Tea Party America. <p> This is the week in which the Three Card Monte dealers hope to take over the government —the candidates who want their own way, who will say anything to make palatable their real identities as agents of regression, repression, and corporate sovereignty. They are here, they have energized the self-serving and the greedy and the proudly ill-informed. <p> And if no other fact convinces you of your obligation to vote and canvass and phone and drag even to the polls the most disheartened moderate or Democrat or Liberal or abandoned Republican or political neutral, to vote for the most tepid of the non-insane candidates, if no other detail hands you that spark of argument with which to invigorate the apathetic, you need only commit to memory the words of Steffan Broden and Sharron Angle. <p> She can run from reporters but she cannot run from this quote from January, and all the horror and insurrection it implies: <p> "Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going. But, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those second amendment remedies." <p> Sharron Angle too subtle for you? "Second amendment" remedies — guns instead of elections - too implicit? Fortunately, to our rescue, to the speeding of the falling of the scales from our eyes, comes the Tea Party and Republican nominee for the 30th Congressional District of Texas, "Pastor" Steffan Broden. <p> "Our nation was founded on violence," he said, on tape. Was armed insurrection, revolution, an option in 2010? "The option is on the table. I don't think that we should ever remove anything from the table… However, it is not the first option." <p> Thank you! The attempt to overthrow the Government of the United States by violence is not The Tea Party's first option. Next Tuesday is the first option! <p> The words are those of Nedrick Young and Harold Jacob Smith from the screenplay for the movie "Inherit The Wind." As the attorney for the man on trial for teaching evolution, Spencer Tracy gets to the gist: "Fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding. And soon, your Honor, with banners flying and with drums beating we'll be marching backward, backward through the glorious ages of that 16th century when bigots burned the man who dared bring enlightenment and intelligence to the human mind!" <p> The angered judge replies, "I hope counsel does not mean to imply that this court is bigoted." The attorney mutters, "Well, your honor has the right to hope." The Judge warns, "I have the right to do more than that." The attorney explodes: "You have the power to do more than that." <p> And *you* have the power to do more than that.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Walls Of Text

    by NerdRageFanClub

    tend to get scrolled over.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Wow, you're really embarrassing yourself, Herc...

    by Coughlins Laws

    First of all, the pictures that were provided were from 2 COMPLETELY different areas. The Beck rally pictures were from around the Reflecting Pool. Second of all, like I said, the National Parks Service and others had the Beck rally well over 300,000. Third of all, we know for 1000% certainty that alot of the people at the Stewart Liberals-Lying-and-Saying-They're-Moderate Fest were either paid to be their/ or had their transportation paid for. Fourth of all, who even cares which one was actually bigger, it's not an exact science counting, but what we do know is that you want to be taken seriously reporting "facts", but you only choose to use numbers that you think help your point. The same thing you do with the Leno/Letterman ratings comparisons. You dishonestly and selectively only show the numbers you think help "your guy" the most. It's a good thing you aren't an actual reporter because what you do can be considered "lying"...

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by Coughlins Laws


  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    My last post didn't go through. Guess i better stop

    by Coughlins Laws

    posting lest I be banned. Let me just say, Congratulations on your "moderates" rally.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Good luck on Tuesday, "moderates". Although

    by Coughlins Laws

    I don't think that Oprah, Arianna, and SEIU will pay you to get to the polls. Oh, I'm sorry, the union thugs probably will pay for your votes...

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Progressives/Liberals = drinking HARD on Tuesday

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Personally, I don't care about these rallies and you can bet most of America doesn't EITHER. In fact, these rallies are pretty much POINTLESS since they only preach to their bases anyway.<p>Here's the cold hard truth -- the overwhelming majority of Americans still lean CENTER RIGHT. In fact, those who identify themselves as "conservative" -- even as blue dog Democrats -- DWARFS those who consider themselves Progressive/Liberal by a nearly 3-1 margin. That's a FACT backed up by EVERY poll out there.<p>Which means the average person STILL sees Stewart and Colbert as nothing more than die-hard liberals given their constant on-air views or real life actions. It also means no matter how much Stewart tries to claim his rally was apolitical, the average American saw this "Sanity rally" as nothing more than a last ditch, desperate attempt to drum up votes for the INSANITY of keeping the Left in power come Tuesday.<p>And if Stewart and Colbert actually are fucking stupid enough to think that middle America doesn't see right through them, then they really have become trapped in their own delusional egos, which makes them nothing more than ranting, raving Glenn Becks of the Left -- though frankly, that title still belongs to utter fucking assholes like Keith Olbermann and Ed Schultz, given the way they foam and bark at the mouth like sick rabid dogs.<p>And like most Americans, I certainly don't give a rat's ass about crowd size, where each side is trying to pull out a tape measure to see who has the biggest cock, to make themselves feel more important. For fuck's sake, grow up already.<p>The ONLY thing that matters is who shows up on Tuesday in the voting booth. And to that end, the Progressive Left is in for a SERIOUS ASS KICKING, with the end result being Harry Reid tossed out of the Senate and Nancy Pelosi losing her House speakership. And just shutting those two assholes up -- or seeing them kicked out of Washington -- is cause enough to pop the champagne and celebrate.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws only pops up when something political happens

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    isnt that weird??? also that southafricanguy when Cameron is mentioned and Asimovlives when JJ gets atention. you all are topic fetish freaks.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Its cool that Coughlins Laws only shows up for the politics!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    At least he's not spamming or trolling the talkbacks 24/7 with SGU bullshit!<p>Like you, Dioxholster!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Neither rally size matters...


    What will matter will be the outcome of Tuesday's election results... whichever way they swing.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    PennsyDeux = sucking Olbermann's cock

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Let's also clear something up. Keith Olbermann is an utterly incompetent and shitty news person... he was also incompetent and shitty simply doing sports where he couldn't even read daily scores... and on a personal level, he's a sad, pathetic, bitter angry douche bag. And if you don't believe that just Google words like "Olbermann, ESPN, MSNBC and staff" and read some of the stories that former (and current) co-workers have about the man, and how much of reprehensible fuck he is to work around or even be near.<p>But what cracks me up about people like PennsyDeux -- cutting and pasting something like Olbermann's rant -- is that they'll typically accuse the Right of eating up and believing every word of a Right wing commentator (for example, someone like Glenn Beck), yet they don't have the ability to see they're doing the exact same thing for the Left. And as a result, they stupidly never question their gods either.<p>Case in point: PennsyDeux posting Olbermann's 20 minute lunatic rant from the other day (which was truly pathetic to see), and never once bothering to fact check any of it. For example, this outright LIE from Olbermann: "The inheritance tax applies only to estates larger than $3.5 million. For the 99.8 percent of Americans not affected by the estate tax..."<p>News flash for Olbermann and PennsyDeux. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between an Estate tax and the Inheritance tax, yet magically Olbermann -- in his usual way of manipulating facts -- managed to blur them together. Hell, he even did it within the same sentence! Contrary to Olbermann's blathering, the average American -- if you're lucky enough to inherit or acquire something -- DOES get taxed out the ass either way. It's NOT a tax aimed ONLY at millionaires. Average people pay the tax when average income parents die and they want to pass on their average savings or average homes to their kids TOO.<p>But, hey, you'll never hear about THAT from the Left. That's because those on the Left have never met a dollar they couldn't tax since progressives ALWAYS have another fucked up "social engineering" plan that they want funding for. So once again they need YOUR money and will openly declare that YOU haven't done enough yet "to spread the wealth around".<p>You know, because if my parents die and want to leave me their house -- which, by the way, was fully paid for after paying off a 30 year mortgage AND was fully taxed every step of the way. Yet somehow I should still fork over MORE money to the Left because, in their delusional eyes, I STILL haven't done enough to help some poor kid in Harlem or Watts. So that kid now deserves a cut of the money of my parents' house. That is literally the kind of fucked up, twisted thinking progressives have.<p>So here's my message to the Left and to clowns like Olbermann and PennsyDeux: FUCK OFF with your social engineering plans. Sorry, but the cold hard truth is that more people need to simply get off the fat, lazy asses to improve their own lots. That's THEIR responsibility in life, NOT MINE. So get your damn hands OFF my wallet and bank account and any inheritance, you damn dirty apes!!!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I repeat- Bush = 8 years. Obama = 22 months.

    by Carl's hat

    Yet Obama is blamed for the direction the US is going. Yeah, that makes sense. Give it up Tea Baggers.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    And I repeat: -- Democrat Congress = 4 years.

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I always love that people like Carl's hat conveniently FORGET to mention who has ACTUALLY controlled Congress for the second half of Bush's presidency and for ALL of Obama's.<p>So to paraphrase Carl, give it up, Progressives. America is on to you and we know who REALLY ran this country into the ground. Which is why the Left is being fired on Tuesday.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    87,000... Strange Joke, Right?

    by blhotz

    A complete idiot could see there were many, many more than 87K @ the Beck rally from the distorted MSNBC pictures... liberal print media doesn't give up, eh?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Oh Man

    by InActionMan

    Did anyone see the right wing ad with the Chinese from the future receiving a lecture on why America fell because it didn't elect Teabaggers and the Chinese laughing at America. It was the most incredibly super racist thing I have seen outside of a David Duke rally. <P> I hear the next one has car loads of black gangstas driving into white suburbia, breaking down peoples doors, waving around silver plated pistols, bitch slapin' the dads and carrying off the teenage daughters while yelling. "Obama be President now. We do what we wants!"

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Barak Obama Eats Babies

    by InActionMan

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Barak Obama Eats Babies

    by InActionMan

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Barak Obama is working on Secret formula

    by InActionMan

    to turn your son Gay!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Barack Obama

    by InActionMan

    fell asleep in front of the TV and didn't wake up and salute when the national anthem was played at 3a.m.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Barack Obama

    by InActionMan

    takes extra ketchup packets at McDonald's and then doesn't use them.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Eight YEARS for Bush. Obama since Jan' LAST YEAR.

    by Carl's hat

    And for the record Big Dumb Ape- The Republican Party kept control of both the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate until 2007. That was after 12 years of nearly unbroken Republican control.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by FoxMulderCSIHaddonfield

    you might wanna do some actual looking around and you will find the sizes of the crowds are not what your are stating. Air photos were taken during Becks rally. First the gatherings were not at the same places, 1 was at the National Mall and the other at the Reflective pool. Cbs is misrepresenting the size of the Beck crowd and your regurgitating it as fact when it is obviously erroneous. Even MSNBC even stated Becks crowd size at 300 thousand and they like you hate him. Quit picking and choosing lies to prop up your position of hatred. here look at the size comparison air shots.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Barack Obama planned health care reform...

    by PennsyDeux

    To create a national registry of Americans complete with their body mass index. The higher your BMI, the better chance you get excluded from health coverage. So sayeth a Tea Bagger Republican congressional candidate from New York.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Hercules, you disappoint me...seriously

    by FeralAngel

    So you think the opinions of "old people" (people who lived through the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam war and the malaise of the Carter years) have no merit? People who have, you know, LIVED LIFE, as opposed to avoiding it via Twitter, Netflix and videogames? Jeebus Christ, give me a break. I've seen Beck's show, and his histrionics, while genuine, are off-putting at times, but there's little in his show's content to incite anyone but the most ardent left-leaning smear merchant, something I never would have thought you were. Shame on you. AS for the "Sanity" rally...yeah, civil, maybe, but so was the Beck rally. Where was the insanity there, may I ask? It was very large, peaceful, respectful for the most part, clean, and just as WHITE as Stewart's rally! So who has the moral advantage there? Beats me. Neither rally moved me one way or the other, politically-speaking, although Beck's seemed more altruistic, since it wasn't launched with the goal of ridiculing people, unlike Stewart's. But rallies of any sort leave me cold anyway. I'll make my beliefs known at the ballot box this Tuesday, and leave it at that.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    "Why did John Stewart change his name?"

    by Man in Suit

    Why won't he answer that question? Or anyone?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    SGU is fucking great TV and i bet Obama is a secret fan

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    i bet every tuesday the white house becomes stargate night.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    To BoyAlien and Libs -- Torture is FINE by me!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    BoyAlien said "Liberals may be pussies, and sometimes elitists, but Republicans are just fucking horrible human beings." Well, you're right about one thing. You ARE a pussy... as well as a coward... if you can't accept that in the 21st century we're now FORCED to deal with Terrorists, who DON'T wear any type of official military garb that identifies them in the field of battle. Or they DON'T swear allegiance to a country, but to a nebulous "cause" instead. Or worst of all, these terrorists SPECIFICALLY set their murderous sights on CIVILIAN targets hoping to spread fear and panic to achieve their goals.<p>For fuck's sake, BoyAlien -- MAN UP and GROW A PAIR. Why the hell do you think even Obama hasn't shut down Guantanamo or still allows rendition? It's because there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between shooting your mouth off as a candidate about human rights versus sitting in the Oval Office, where you get a daily top secret NSA and CIA briefing on the current threats against the U.S., which are all considered HIGH PROBABILITY to actually occur.<p>The other day, the big news was the government thankfully thwarting the latest terrorist attempt to bomb airlines. But you can bet your ass that for every story like that which actually makes the news, there are 5 stories behind the scenes that the government keeps secret. Why? Because even Obama -- now that he's no longer a candidate -- realizes the public would go "Holy shit!!! That ALMOST happened???" and we'd have civil unease like never before if people learned some of the things that NEARLY happened.<p>What cracks me up about the Left is even THEY admit they're pussies. Back during the election, John McCain was on HARDBALL with Chris Matthews. And of course Matthews was being a die-hard Lib talking about the "evil" of torture or the "moral high ground" we have to take. At which point McCain asked Matthews straight up what he would ACTUALLY DO if he captured a terrorist and -- in Jack Bauer/24 fashion -- you learned he had intel on an imminent attack. So now the clock was ticking. <p>When McCain asked Matthews flat out "What would you do? If that guy even POSSIBLY had intel to stop an attack... and thus you could save the lives of innocent Americans... would you allow torture THEN?"<p>Well, it made for classic TV. At that point, Matthews stammered and stumbled and finally tried to deflect the question by saying "Well, that's why I've never run for office. I couldn't take the pressure or accept the responsibility of making a call under those circumstances."<p>Well, here's a news flash for idiots like BoyAlien and Chris Matthews. In the 21st century with terrorists running around and the threat of dirty bombs or these morons even switching to bio/chemical weapons, someone HAS to make that call every single day. You can't just IGNORE it and think that saying "I'll be a Boy Scout and never torture" is actually a viable solution.<p>So, I'll give credit where credit is due. Even Obama -- now that his ass is sitting in the Oval Office -- is getting daily intelligence reports and is saying "I don't care how off the radar and secret we have to keep this stuff. Go beat the living fuck out of someone and get me some goddamn intel to STOP this shit!"<p>And DON'T kid yourselves, Libs. Don't even think for a second that Obama ISN'T giving that order behind closed doors. Because as President, HE MOST DEFINITELY IS.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Love to see the hateful kneejerk vitriol here...

    by Keblar

    It validates the necessity for the rally, and exemplifies the point.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    FoxMulder, could you find a FUZZIER photo for us...

    by Keblar

    That one doesn't quite cross my eyes enough. I'm sure whoever hosts 'gatewaypundit' can afford an extra 100KB of resolution. I can't tell what's grass, what's human, and what's pixelation. Also FWIW, those blocked off green areas adjacent to the Smithsonian were blocked off in the photo shown there - by 2:30 those barriers were either opened or overrun and that entire area was filled in waaayy past the Smithsonian, so the intended map illustration is useless. Can't vouch for the Beck rally, wasn't there. But I can say I still have yet to see a definitive photo for it.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by boyalien

    Is simply NOT the best way to gather intel. You can haz google, fucking use it. Also, whatever happened to the high ground? This "terrorists iz dangurous so we needz to be evil too" argument is wholly unamerican.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    What you say might be true. I merely state that I want those in charge to do absolutely anything and everything it takes to get the intel it needs. I do not want them handicapped in any way at all. Do you agree?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    For the sake of accuracy....

    by Keblar

    I'll revise my wording: the density wasn't "waayyy" past the Smithsonian building; hyperbole doesn't help my point. BUT, it was past the Smithsonian by 2:30.<p> Here's a photo that I'd guess was taken around 2 or a little before 2pm: <p> <p> You can see the spire of the Smithsonian and how that area began to fill in.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I just want to say

    by pushthebuttonmax

    I do not appreciate seeing the site I use for alot of my geek news be filled with liberal propaganda, or any type of political propaganda for that matter. Get this shit out of here. All it does is stir up conflict. With that said, if you're going to take advantage of a heavily trafficked site, so will I. RON PAUL 2012!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Max why only "liberal" propaganda?

    by Keblar

    Why do you only disapprove of "liberal" propaganda (never mind using "liberal" - an intentionally inflammatory and defamatory word.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by Keblar

    "...despite CBS' refutation of their own study." That's not clear? What do you mean? Incidentally, you sound pretty eaten up yourself.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc,

    by Tai_Pan

    Can you AT LEAST post that the 80K figure is the LOWEST estimate... you don't even have to acknoweledge any of the various other counts ranging all the way up to over 1.5M. <p> You gloat over this like a child holding up a handful of shit, grinning for approval. It's gross, man.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    This place is a cesspool.

    by ebonic_plague

    Beck had 1.5 million alzheimer's ward escapees out there? <p> Suuuuuuuure you did, sparky. The AICN brand of scumbag dittohead is even more delusional than the average garden variety. Nice to see Herc doing his part to poke you guys with the common sense stick, and getting you all red-faced and spittley. Fuck your rancid cunts of mothers, too, you subhuman math-impaired whores!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    This talkback makes me want to go over there

    by David Cloverfield

    and steal me some of those cushy American jobs. Judging by the quality of discussion in this thread, it's like taking candy from a baby. No wonder jobs are going overseas, who would like to work with you guys? Obnoxious know-it-alls just screaming Nazi and Communist at each other (interchangably of course). You went insane from the chinese leadpaint on your Star Wars figurines. Sign up your kids for Spanish class.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    No redshirt, I don't agree.

    by boyalien

    Whatever it takes, huh? So if it saves American lives, we should rape babies, kill mothers, firebomb entire countries...this is your logic, dude, not mine.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST

    How Many

    by t3hSt1ngray

    People here actually watch the rally? did you even pay f*cking attention? Jon Stewarts finishing speech was amazing, and in that speech gave one of the most perfect illustrations of America i have ever heard. Never have i felt one ounce of patriotism for this country, not until yesterday. It was fantastic, for all those who didnt watch it i IMPLORE you please watch it, whether Republican or Democrat,whether you hate Jon Stewart or love him, his finishing speech needs to been seen by everyone.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    i used to be SAD when i thought about the world ending.

    by RedHorseVector

    now i'm starting to get impatient.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:03 p.m. CST

    solvseus & the revenge

    by tusk1113

    thank you. pretty sad that only two people have responded to your posts.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    by ebonic_plague

    Reality, as usual, has a liberal bias.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by David Cloverfield

    The closing speach was fucking awesome, and not only for Americans. I've never seen a crowd listening to someone just speaking about the human condition and what democrary... hell, what a society really means. This is why this thread is so depressing.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by t3hSt1ngray

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by Keblar

    I can't tell who you're trying to defend. Is 1.5 million a joke? Are you trying to point out how absurd some of the estimates are or delusional Beck supporters can be, or are you seriously suggesting the possibility that 1.5 million people were at the Lincoln memorial? 1.5 million is patently ridiculous.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Good point St1ngray..

    by Keblar

    I've gotten so caught up in the symbolic gesture of crowd size, I've forgotten to emphasize the poignancy and relevance of the CONTENT in the end.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Maybe Herc should've just post that video to begin with

    by David Cloverfield

    The "my crowd is bigger then yours" post is really not in the spirit of the rally. Hell, it's the reason they had the rally.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    palin/odonnel 2012!!!!

    by alice133

    team mayans ftw!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Washington is surrounded by blue states, so why wouldn't more li

    by Mr. Waturi

    First of all, who gives a shit. But I thought I should point out the obvious fact that New Yorkers and other blue state residents have a much shorter drive to DC than red states. To compare attendance at these two events seems borderline retarded. And all the political bullshit on this site is getting old fast. I've got a suggestion: more pics of Olivia Wilde in tight outfits, less pics of Chris Evans in tight outfits, and no politics.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Wow that crowd is really culturally diverse

    by Saen

    lol not. You could have the video cut to an image of Beck and who could tell the difference.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    lol @ "best country in the world"

    by RedHorseVector

    whenever someone uses that phrase to describe america, i know i'm dealing with a real intellectual heavyweight!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Wow, you are an idiot. If you don't even grasp the nature of what I was saying you are stupid. We have a terrorist in custody, and you want there to be limits on how we extract info, I don't. Raping babies? You are pretty fucked up. BTW we firebombed the fuck out of Germany. That's the kind of shit it took to break the backs of those nazi motherfuckers. We had to completely disabuse them of their superior attitude and break their will to fight. The only tactic which ever truly wins a war.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Calm Down

    by TheRevenge

    Several of you keep making these crazy posts about how Tuesday "Liberals will get the biggest ass-kicking they've ever seen" or something to that ilk. Really? Is that really the stance you're going with? That a typical mid-term election is something that we've never seen before? <br> <br> If you think taking over ONE house in Congress is a major overhaul the likes of which this country has never seen, you don't need to be in a political need to be in a political science classroom. On Tuesday the Republicans and Tea Party will take ONE part of Congress. Stop the back patting as if you just overthrew the government. It's not special; it's business as usual. It's not a mandate, it's a handout. It's common (happens almost every time) for a President to lose Congress after an overwhelming win in a Presidential election. Americans do that. It's part of checks and balances. And the people who lost the Presidential election come out in droves because of their loss. It happens all the time; this is nothing new nor special. <br> <br> There is no more a huge right-wing movement in the US than there is a huge left-wing movement. Most Americans still poll that they are "Center Right" and then wind up supporting issues that are "Center Left". Americans love to say they are one thing while supporting another....but the thing they never are is extremely one direction or another. If you think that Americans are suddenly Ultra-Conservative simply because those who are are being louder than usual, you're mistaken. Tuesday isn't suddenly going to be this crazy historical moment where the entire country suddenly decides it wants to be Far-Right-Wing and we abolish taxes for angry white people. Sorry. <br> <br> It's not even the biggest Congressional Mid-Term takeover this country has seen. So, it's certainly not an ass-kicking. <br> <br> Tuesday is typical. It happens all the time. If anything, it will likely help Obama. Most political analysts agree his numbers will likely go up because, to Americans, it will make him appear more Presidential in the face of opposition. It worked for Clinton. That's how the system typically works. <br> <br>

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Yes, if you LOVE your country, you are stupid.

    by David Cloverfield

    It's a place where you were born and keep all your stuff. If you LOVE a woman it's becouse you dated a bunch of girls and found the one that stands out, that's really works for you. But you are born into a nation, you can't comprare. All that love is indoctrination. I can understand loving a family, a man or a woman, but if i live for a hundred thousand years, I'll never understand how someone could love a concept, like a country. I mean a Country is mostly guys you'll never meet. It's an outdated as fuck concept. The reason why we can't have nice things.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Not only talking abour Americans.

    by David Cloverfield

    I live in Europe and it's ridicolous over here too.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by boyalien

    You said you didn't want handicaps, now you say you don't want limits on interrogation tactics. Which means you obviously disregard both the LAWS of this nation as well as the CONSTITUTION. You don't get to cherrypick. Also, the firebombing of Dresden is widely regarded by anyone with an ounce of sense as one of the most horrific, atrocious mistakes this country ever made. Another? Hiroshima. Bet you'll find a way to argue that bit of nastiness as being necessary too. See? Republicans are just fucking horrible people.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The closing speech

    by BlaGyver

    was indeed, fucking awesome. Also, I laughed at Colbert's estimates out loud. Funny shit.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Can't you feel the moderation in this talkback?

    by Chet_P_Disney

    So check it out from these images it looks like Beck's crowd was slightly larger...

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    BoyAlien, you're still cluleless...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Whenever the American public is polled about dropping the bomb to end WWII, to this day -- over 60 years later -- it STILL gets OVERWHELMING support. Yes, even from those on the left. Only deluded pussies like elitist, brain dead progressive college professors (and apparently you), who would surrender at the drop of a hat anyway, still bitch and moan about America doing the right thing to bring an end to the Pacific end of WWII.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by TheRevenge

    Just wanted to pat you on the back. Well said. Good stuff.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by David Cloverfield

    That's cool. Different things make us happy. Let's agree to disagree. Shouldn't have called you stupid for loving your country, but I'm drunk.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Yes Waturi! More Blue States = greater attendance

    by Keblar

    Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, NC, SC, Tennessee, Ohio: All Solidly Blue.<p> STILL, one point of this rally was that America isn't RED VS BLUE, US VS THEM, ME VS YOU. It's US, as in WE. Letting people who don't care about our country, people who only care about squeezing bills from you through ratings and manipulation, decide what you should and shouldn't like, what you should fear, and all the things that you should be outraged about is counterproductive and divisive. <p> This rally was about think first scream later, or even better don't scream at all, and that's not red OR Blue.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    America is indeed the best country in the world

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    not in living standards but in principles and stability that will forever keep it strong. It was built on top of a powerful ideas and foundations. No other country around the world was built in such a christopher nolan-esque fashion.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost <P> ALIEN SAYS "BALLS!" ---- ITS NOT KING KONG'S BALLS! HAHAHA GOOD STUFF

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Chet, it must be a matter of perspective

    by Keblar

    because I don't see any contest, even considering that the photo used there was probably taken prior to 2pm.<p> I suppose since people are claiming CBS's estimates to be biased we just have to decide for ourselves and disagree.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    google operation downfall, and then tell me that dropping the bomb was the worse choice. My grandfather served in the navy during WW2, and might have been sent in.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    You know Diox, "XY is the best country evah" still baffles me

    by David Cloverfield

    Have you ever heard someone say it about not his home country? How could you see your country without bias? Also: I heard the US military uses stolen egyptian art treasures to colonize the galaxy. Typical.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST ireland.2010..

    by emeraldboy

    my country is in political paralysis. last week there was a two day dail debate. the govt all spoke from prepaired scripts. on the monday there was outrage when all the govt turned up to an economic summit in farmleigh in thier ministerial mercs. the message from the govt is loud and clear. we are all of us in this together. the debate was useless, pointless, ireland is creeping towards a dictatorship. a political one. but a dictatorship none the less.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    if it werent for US military there wouldve not been internet

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    or cell phone or GPS and the list goes on. US military and NASA are the top innovators of the world.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I've never met a conservative who wasnt an out and out mongoloid

    by d_fens1969

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    200,000 People Attend BBQ Festival...

    by nemov

    in NC last week. Who cares? It's easy to get a couple of hundred thousand people together. The hipster crowd yesterday was about the same size as Beck's stupid rally. The CBS source AirPhotosLive seems a bit dubious at this stage b/c their numbers don't match any other report.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    1.5 milion

    by Tai_Pan

    :I can't tell who you're trying to defend. Is 1.5 million a joke? Are you trying to point out how absurd some of the estimates are or delusional Beck supporters can be, or are you seriously suggesting the possibility that 1.5 million people were at the Lincoln memorial?" <p> Neither. I'm trying to demonstrate that the count was so VASTLTY AND INCONSISTENTLY REPORTED, and further show that AICN chooses the lowest figure out of those estimates. It brings up questions of bias. Such as "Why does AICN always choose the most anti-conservative/Republican sources" or my personal favorite: "Why does AICN feel it necessary to get into politics AT ALL?"

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Nerd Rage- Re: Jefferson

    by DoctorWho?

    "...a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government." -<p> Gee, sounds like what most conservative voices I read are advocating. Yeah...what a radical concept.<p> Read that quote again and ponder just how radically opposed to it the Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda truly is.<p>

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST


    by TheRevenge

    Quotes from Churchill or even The Founding Fathers are so asinine and pointless to the debate. People only care about The Founding Fathers when it suits their agenda. It's laughable. For every "Jefferson was a Conservative like today" quote there is a "Jefferson thought Christianity was bullshit" quote or vice-versa. It means nothing. They can easily be manipulated. Amazing that, in 2010, we're actually arguing politics by using the speeches of slave-owning white men who thought bleeding was healthy. The Founding Fathers were smart politicians...but hardly superhuman geniuses who had a clue about what governing should be like 200 plus years later. Life isn't remotely the same now as it was then. It might as well be a different planet. If you're stuck thinking that The Founding Fathers had all the answers, you need to step out of your Delorean and back into the real world of 2010.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I'm a Historian Just Like Glen Beck

    by InActionMan

    History has forgotten Jon Stewart's Cousin Shlomo Stewart. <P> Shortly after the Nazi Nuremberg rally Shlomo held his own Rally to Restore Sanity or "Rally zur Wiederherstellung Vernunft" in Frankfurt. <P> <P> <BR> <BR> Shlomo was killed at Bergen Belsen in 1943.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    thank you thetusk1113

    by solvseus

    It's such a shame our posts, like Stewart's message, are practically ignored, especially since we the reasonable really are the (silent apparently) majority. Maybe I should have called someone Hitler or something. We are, in fact, royally screwed.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST

    more then doubles the size of Beck's rally...

    by shagdrum

    ...based on EXCEEDINGLY questionable (and likely biased) methodology. In other words, the estimates used are WORTHLESS. Here is a much fairer and more honest comparison: Nice to see intellectual honesty on this site.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Why would either side want to win?

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    You're just going to get blamed for America not being "fixed" next election. Sorry, but it's going to take a long time to get back to where we were. Until we all realize that both sides are terribly biased we're going to go through the same bull shit every 2 years.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    You will never get through to either side's extremists. They want to fight and argue and act like their cheering for they're favorite NFL team.<p> And you are right, we the sane are the silent majority.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Bush gets thunderous applause at World Series!!!

    by Starship Captain

    W threw out the first ball at tonight's game. As he and his father entered the stadium, they received incredibly thunderous applause and standing ovations. That's because the fans recognized two REAL presidents who actually loved their country. And after 2 years of the current administration shitting up the place, they realized how much they wished W was back in the Oval Office.<p>Meanwhile, Obama still throws like a girl.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Yeah, just forget about all of the great thoughts, quotes and writings of the great minds down throughout the centuries simply because " isn't remotely the same now as it was then"<p> We all know true wisdom is a product of OUR generation man! Un.Fucking.Believable.<p> True, life was radically different. But one thing hasn't changed and that is HUMAN NATURE. Yeah, let's just ignore all of the Socrates, Aristotle, Voltaire, Confucious, Einstein, Mark Twain, Jefferson, Abe Lincoln...all because you're just too hip. You and your kind are the enemies of the world. <p> You have just cemented your place as one of the great mental midgets (of which there are many) here on AICN.<p> Most peoples lack of any basic history and philosophy is why we are here in the first place.<p> Please do not procreate. That is all.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    nice out-of-context, distorted and misleading statements PennsyD

    by shagdrum

    Have you ever thought to actually study the conservative and/or libertarian position, learn the ACTUAL logic behind those positions (as opposed to the simplistic, straw man leftist misrepresentations) and convey and actual argument? This is the problem with too many on the far left (Stewart's audience). The want "civil" discourse, but "civil" discourse is implicitly defined as being on leftist terms and premised on a leftist worldview. Of course, it is a cynically accepted truth among these people that their viewpoint is the ONLY rational viewpoint; an assumption that shows profound presumptuous ignorance. ALL the various long lasting worldviews from which ideology and are derived are FIERCELY logical. The ultimate difference being the basic premises those viewpoints are based on. This is how different worldviews can look at the same facts and draw different conclusions, both of which are logical. Unless and until those on the left can admit that truth, no civil discourse is possible. Unfortunately, cynical political ignorance is camouflaged through emotionally appealing self aggrandizement and sold as a enlightened detachement; a flaw that is characteristic of most generations in their youth. Unfortunately, Stewart and company have turned this social phenomenon into a lucrative industry that serves to coarsen discourse and devolve it into something that can't rise above the level of High School social cliques; an exercise in ego instead of an honest quest for the truth.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    What We Saw at the Stewart-Colbert Rally to Restore Sanity

    by DoctorWho?<p> Remove space.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    by shagdrum

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    "FOX NEWS viewers are the oldest who watch television"

    by ForgetfulPete

    Yep, Herc! You got it in ONE! There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WORSE than being an old person. You hit the nail right on the head that old people are just BAD BAD people. Remind me when you get old to post on whatever has replaeed the internet to say "Old People Who Went By HERC, let me remind you, SAY THE EVENT IS THE FUTURE OF DRAMA ON TELEVISION (SERIOUSLY!)." Nothing is as bad as being an old person, according to Herc, but I'd wager it's much worse to think THE EVENT is the future of drama on tv than to watch FOX NEWS. But it's ok, Herc, you go on thinking old people are the worst people ever. See how far that gets you in life. Hope you're happy!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by shagdrum

    Why has my last post been removed?

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by shagdrum

    It's two above that blank post. My bad. ;)

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    "The Silent Majority"

    by ForgetfulPete

    Sadly, I wouldn't call myself part of the Silent Majority in America. The Silent Majority in America is happy when gay people die of AIDS, hates women, hates black people, hates any ethnicity but white, hates immigrants, hates Jews, hates anywhere but America, thinks anyone who believes in charity is a monster who should be put to death, wants to hurt people by bullying and violence, wants to slaughter anyone who disputes their Judeo-Christian religion. Sorry, I'll gladly state here and now that I am NOT part of the silent majority, and proud of it!

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    Stewart Rally

    by superroach

    Most Americans think we're taxed too much and the government spends too much. While others think we don't spend enough. Which do you belong to? of course we spend too much and are spending 100 billon just on interest payment.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    "TheRevenge" just demonstrated his profound ignorance of politic

    by shagdrum

    not to mention the presumptuous and arrogant (implicit) viewpoint that this generation has monopoly on reason. That assumption insults one intellectually from reality (and opposing views) as well as isolate and promote groupthink. "TheRevenge" serve as the living embodiment of Edmund Burke's statement, "it is no excuse for presumptuous ignorance that it is directed by insolent passion"

  • the IDEOLOGICAL breakdown of the nation. Liberalism is CONSISTENTLY in the minority. Best example; gallup's polling on this. Since 1992 (when they started polling on this), self identified conservatives and moderates have gone back and forth for the top spot. see this link ( The truth is that this has long been a center right nation and the increased efforts by the left to shame and bully others (instead of engaging in honest discourse) into submission have created a backlash that will be evident this Tuesday.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    "FOX NEWS viewers are the oldest who watch television"

    by Starship Captain

    ForgetfulPete, just ignore Herc on that one. It's another bit of bullshit he got as a talking point memo from his Lib friends. He's just doing his part to disseminate pure crap.<p>FACT: Fox News WINS the key 18-35 demographic every day, in each of its time slots, by a sizable number. In head to head match ups, O'Reilly beats Olbermann, Hannity beats Maddow, Van Sustren beats O'Donnell.<p>And just to make Herc's head explode, Beck wins that demo in his time slot too. In fact, his numbers for the key youth demo is UP over last year, at an all-time high.<p>Maybe next time Herc will actually do some fucking research before cutting & pasting his latest DNC dispatch. If nothing else, he could simply check out Mediaite, which not only covers the news channels and their stories, but routinely covers the ratings war too. They just had an article the other week noting how Fox is crushing the competition and is now running away with the majority of younger viewers too.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by fanboy71

    You are a true voice of reason my friend. Thanks for telling it like it is. I can't bloody wait till Tuesday night when the results are in.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by fanboy71

    You are a true voice of reason my friend. Thanks for telling it like it is. I can't bloody wait till Tuesday night when the results are in.

  • Oct. 31, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    People who get their news from Comedy Central...

    by Ironhelix

    ...deserve EXACTLY the government that they get. Fucking retards.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    LOL Not close to Becks number- though impressive

    by 900LBGorilla

    Here are links to aerial shots so you can look yourself. Both had people in the trees- Beck had a much larger area. <p> Stewart: <p> Beck <p>

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Ah, yes.

    by TheRevenge

    Ah, yes...the last ditch effort of a man who knows his argument carries no weight: Personal attacks. That's the way your Radio and TV have taught you, is it? "Twist the other guy's words until the conversation is no longer about the issues...but about HIM." You should be so proud. Congrats. You managed to belittle any civil discourse in your attempt to argue absolutely nothing. <br> <br> I will not respond to those of you who have nothing better to do than make personal attacks on me because I don't share your political ideology. You want to enjoy your quotes from leaders long past? Go for it. No one said there was anything wrong with it. And I certainly never said that they had nothing to say. But, what I did say was that anyone can use old quotes to manipulate the argument to suit their agenda. But it shouldn't surprise me that people who have to resort to childish namecalling and personal attacks in their debate would be utterly unable to actually READ what I wrote. Rather, you chose of course to simply READ INTO IT whatever suits you. Which only proves that you're not interested in facts, figures, or even conversation. You're only interested in bullying and hatred for people not like you. I'm better than that, thanks. <br> <br> I don't care what anonymous people on a message board think of me. I'd school you in an actual debate and know that you'd be scared to speak to my face the horseshit you spew on this board. Be thankful you have a place to come and whip your balls out and thump your chest without having to actually look your opponent in the eye. Your childish debate tactics only prove that you're too cowardly to actual discuss the issues. If you actually knew anything about that which you speak, you'd discuss that rather than trying to make your insults about me. <br> <br> But, after reading the simplistic, caveman argument going on in this thread, I should have known better than to expect civility from any of you. You seem to be of the "The meaner and more insulting I am, the better at debate I am" mentality that you've been trained to believe by your AM Radio Heroes. None of you can actually back up your claims without making it personal, which makes me wonder if you even KNOW why you believe what you do...other than because you're bitter that your lives haven't turned out the way you wished they had. <br> <br> So, I sleep well at night knowing that I care not what bitter white people think of my opinion. Here's what's great about being right: You don't have to get angry and scream and make insults toward people who don't look/think/act exactly like you do. It's comforting enough just to know the other person is wrong...and that only a fool would need to resort to personal assumptions and attacks. I don't need to get angry...because I'm right. History will show that, so I smile and nod my head at those of you who have nothing but bitterness in your hearts. What an awful way to live your lives, seeing "boogey men" around every corner whenever someone seems a tad different than yourself. No thanks. The air I breathe is nicer and isn't filled with bile. So angry and so full of hate, despite the fact that your lives have hardly changed at all in the past two years...and despite the fact that all of your problems stem from your own support of the failed administration you blindly supported for 8 years. You gleefully played your fiddles while Rome burned, the blood of dead American soldiers on your hands, and now you whine like children when Mommy and Daddy can't fix it for you. <br> <br> Oh, what a terrible life it must be for you! Poor Conservative White men! What with the lowest taxes in history and life better than 90% of the world. What are you guys bitching about, anyway? Spoiled and full of your own delusional sense of self-importance, appalled that you have to pay taxes to a country you claim to "Love so much". Puh-lease. <br> <br> You love your Founding Fathers quotes? I'll tell you this much, if any of the Founding Fathers were around today, the quote we'd have most often from them would be "Why exactly are white men so pissed, anyway? Don't they still have it better than everyone else on the planet?" <br> <br> Yes. Yes, they do.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Most of these so called 'liberal' clowns...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...ranting and raving here actually live their lives pretty conservatively.<p> Most people who find their checking account overdrawn and credit cards maxed out will not...I repeat... NOT continue to write bad checks day in and day out while opening new lines of credit to spend frivolously. Common sense 101.<p> Yet, they rally behind an administration and philosophy who does just that! And on astonishingly massive scale!<p> How does this not register with most people?<p> Restoring sanity indeed.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    TheRevenge has some kind of a "hate whitey" thing going...

    by DoctorWho?

    Got some issues there bro?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Giant wall of text....

    by DoctorWho?

    ...just to tell us he "doesn't care!"<p> Thou doth protest too much.<p> Whoops! There I go again with another outdated quote. <p> And from a stuffy old white man too!<p> Though, he was alleged to be gay...does that put me in your good graces as a 'tolerant' person?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Still not special

    by TheRevenge

    And I'm still not sure where everyone gets the crazy idea that Republicans winning just The House in Congress in a mid-term election is some kind of unheard of, unprecedented, mandate or coup. It's nothing that hasn't happened before (and regularly) in US politics. It doesn't mean that the USA is suddenly ready to turn back the clock to an imaginary 1950s. It's just typical voter response to a mid-term election. <br> <br> But as long as it helps you lie to yourself that the world is somehow changing to fit your ideology, go for it. Enjoy looking shitty in the history books in 50 years.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:48 a.m. CST


    by TheRevenge

    Well, I never said that I'm not long-winded.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Stewart Rally

    by superroach

    And isn't time the liberals admit that obamacare was designed to fail from the start. First you get the employers to drop the employees health coverage and have your employers pay a fine. Then all those employees would have to sign up for obamacare. Ipso facto you are on your way to single payer i.e.Socialised medicine

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST


    by TheRevenge

    Said it best. No one really cares about Mid-Term Elections. See you in 2012 when your smugness has worn off a bit.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    CBS refutes numbers?

    by UnclePuppethead

    I'd love to see where that happened - but it's not on their website and there is no newsstory that I can find that shows that. Can anyone post a link?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST

    CBS refutes numbers?

    by UnclePuppethead

    I'd love to see where that happened - but it's not on their website and there is no newsstory that I can find that shows that. Can anyone post a link?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    What's special is...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...the scale. The wave of enthusiasm and historic meaning which Obama rode into office on as the first black president ( the one thing I was very proud and happy of in that election) was huge.<p> However, it was coupled with a naive, hypnotic, cult like fervor which made drooling sycophants out of everyone who refused to cast an objective eye at the man's words and record (or lack thereof).<p> The repudiation of him and his agenda is breathtaking. I am actually thankful that he was so bold as to state his intentions so clearly. "Transforming America" <p> Not 'reforming' it. Not 'fixing' it etc. TRANSFORMING it. Words mean things.<p> He saw his election as a mandate to swing America hard, hard left. He did not count on this reaction. People with real jobs, mortgages, debt etc go about their personal lives with pragmatism. They were stunned by the 'full throtle' lurch to the left. I frankly think he is stunned by this rejection of his policies.<p> Most liberal candidates try to downplay their statist agenda...but not Barrack. The average American sees the power grab, hyper-partisanship and croneyism and have recoiled. They thought he was a post-racial and post-partisan healer. <p> Instead they got brass-knuckled Chicago style politics. <p> They're Pissed. They're exhausted. They want to pump the breaks and now they have the chance.<p> You obviously aren't aware that if the Republicans get 60-some seats they will control the purse strings. Otherwise Obama will just keep writing checks his ass can't cash.<p>.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    This is not an embracing of Republicans.

    by DoctorWho?

    It’s a rejection of Democrats.<p> Which I love...but trust me, the Republicans will no doubt fuck it up given half the chance. <p> Never forget, they work for US.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Obama betrayed the left, betrayed America, and now...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Is in the process of betraying the entire world, no shit. For those of you with the patience to decipher "economese", read this:<p><p> Long story short, his refusal to reign in Wall Street and their hedge fund / derivative / credit instrument casino is sapping the US economy, which might have recovered from the disaster they created in '08 if Glass-Steagall had been resurrected. "Socialist" Obama did no such thing, and Geithner/Bernanke's "workarounds" are plunging the dollar on global currency markets so fast its disrupting the rest of the world's trade patterns. With the rest of the world unwilling to make any changes to keep Wall Street fat and happy, the result will be widespread currency controls, protectionism, and a parallel currency system challenging America's dollar hegemony. If you think things are bad now, the worst may be soon to come.<p> I've come to a grudging sympathy with the Tea Party types...they know something is wrong, but their understandably limited comprehension of the bizarrely mutated world of Wall Street finance instruments and how it's wrecking their lives is leading them down a blind alley of conspiracy mongering and delusion. Case in point: thinking Obama is some sort of Marxist...the truth is so completely the polar opposite, it's blackly humorous...

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    "Nobody cares about midterm elections"

    by RedJester

    True, but sad at the same time...

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 3:20 a.m. CST

    LOL. Quite a number of fucknuts around here...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Guys, you bore me to death.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST

    All the hate speech from both sides makes me ill

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    After tomorrow, nothing will change. Liberals have to come to terms with the fact that the dems no longer represent you. They are bought and paid for by big corporations and defense contractors. Republicans are unabashed whores who open their votes up to the highest bidder. No one represents the American people anymore and it is time we stop bickering and come to this realization. We need to start looking at what the majority of our tax dollars are spent on. 800 Billion dollars for "defense" with no oversight is what is actually bankrupting us. Both sides are in on it, and it is time we woke up and realized the whole system is broken.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    Good point. <P> I read the US defense budget for 2010 is somewhere between $880 billion and $1 trillion... that is mind boggling. <P> I find it concerning because historically, empires seem to reach a tipping point when it comes to spending national treasure on defense. They hit a point of no return of unstoppable economic decline. Especially when they get caught up in prolonged overseas conflicts. <P> Many American values are shared values around the world and I do think it is important for the US to continue to have a leadership role internationally. My hope is that the amount spent on defense does not erode the good will towards the US or the county's economic standing any further. <P> My guess is that the political right, centre and left would prefer to see the US as the undisputed, long term, economic superpower rather than a military one.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Herc - can you prove us wrong?

    by ForgetfulPete

    Does FOX NEWS routinely win the key 18-35 demographic? I suggest we all ask Herc this question over and over again until he answers it, on any Talkback where he posts ratings. What do you guys think of this idea?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    best part of this libtard display

    by ForgetfulPete

    was that Stewart/Colbert apparently see nothing wrong with giving airtime and appearance-time and possibly money to Youself Islam, aka Cat Stevens, who has publicly called for the death of Salmon Rushdie for writing a book. Has anyone asked Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert why Yousef Islam was allowed to be at the rally when his "restoring sanity" contribution is closer to keeping fear alive?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    So, Before the rally .....

    by unrulyappendage

    Low numbers were going to be attributed to the fact people who would attend this had better things to do so the numbers would be low. Now that they may be higher based on liberal counting methods, does this mean those in attendance are losers and don't have anything else to do?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    You know, as far as Bush goes...

    by BlaGyver

    I'm leaving out my personal opinion and bringing up Tony Blair's recent comments about him. Anybody else see this? Blair said that decisions aside, Bush had more integrity, honesty and genuine patriotism than anybody he had ever met. Point I'm making is that regardless of how shitty it turned out, Bush made every decision out of love for his country, something I honestly don't believe can be said about Obama. And this is coming from someone that wasn't the biggest Bush fan.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST

    corporations are fucking us all

    by slickerynodes

    but if watching glenn beck cry and sell you gold makes you feel better because he hates black people too, then enjoy your hate. <P> and blagyver, bush acted out of what he thought god laid out for him as he kicked all his addictions. god told him to invade iraq. those are statements from his mouth. but that's cool he loves his country. i wish he loved canada.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST


    by CountryBoy

    George W. Bush is also personally responsible for saving 1,000,000 lives in Africa via his AIDS programs (according to 60 MINUTES). But wait -- I thought conservatives WANTED people to die of AIDS!

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    dont ever legalize weed Obama

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    hes not but he needs to kick states like cali to the curb

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Don't knock it till you tried it.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    215,000 people Jon stewart > 87,000 people Glenn Beck

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    just the facts ma'am

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    By the way Nobules

    by HoboCode

    Yes there was plenty of pot smoking and wine-drinking (gin in my case) at the Rally Saturday, but no one was bitching about the government. I think you have us confused with teabaggers. Mostly we just railed against the lazy corporate media perpetuating the corrupt status quo, the illegal wars of aggression started by Bush, the Republican party's complete unwillingness to work for the middleground the nation wants and needs and instead resort to ridiculous anti-Marxist hyperbole, and against the corporate influence in Washington (mostly thanks to Republicans) that allows companies to send jobs overseas while fattening their own executive's pockets.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    As a Aussie my opinion is probably worth shit...

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    and I'm also lazy so I only checked out the last couple o' posts but first things first. <p> Hey Knobules... go fuck yourself. How dare you pre-judge my pot shows. <p> I always watch Glenn Beck stoned. It's the only way I don't smash the T.V. out of pure intelligent, rational and perfectly targeted frustration. <p> John Stewart however seems completely rational. Yes he is a left-wing commentator/comedian but he speaks more truth than any politician... or a certain 24hr News(?) Channel. <p> but hey, I'm just a stupid foreigner. <p> Also, what the hell do I know? Well I know my country has a divided parliament with a puppet Prime Minister and an Opposition party led by a religious zealot. <p> Damn reality sucks.... No wonder we love films so much huh?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Wow... my argument made like.. no sense.

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    this weed is great...

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Australia is fucking racist

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    just the facts ma'am

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    was I even arguing??... heh...

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    what was I saying??? <p> Oh yeh... Knobules... I LOVE YOU MAN!

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    what the fuck is a video game trailer doing on imdb main page

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    its movies, stupid.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    DioxholsterOperationsOutpost.. The film or the country?

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    cause you're pretty well right on both. <p> I don't like to think we are a narrow-minded country. Yet, the widespread fear refugees is sickening. I find our inhuman stance increasingly embarrassing. Not to mention our appalling treatment of the aborigines, the true Australians.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I think Mel Gibson said it best...

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    "Don't take it up the's for taking a shit" <p> I'm sure he was referring to Glenn Beck.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    "I said ping pong balls not King Kong's balls!"

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    wombat soup are the best

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    mighty fine eating

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Using CBS' crowd count as gospel is further proof...

    by maverick68

    that Liberals are incredibly dishonest and/or suffer from a complete lack of intellectual curiosity....

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The Democrat machine is funded by a billionaire Nazi-collaborato

    by maverick68

    and this is NOT an example of "Godwin's Law", rather an easily verifiable fact.... Georgie Soros, aka friend of obama, Pelos, Reid,, helped send Jews on their merry way toward the showers....

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    partisan conservatives can't take a joke

    by BikerZero

    seriously, for all the whiners whining that this is a liberal such and such rally..could you please point out where they ( this rally,john stewart)is stating their own agenda that is obviously pinko commie liberal? The point was the public discourse has become obnoxiously filled with vemon instead of actually debating...something that doesn't seem to be a part of some aintitcool talkerbackers' skill set. how about you actually dig in the context instead of just watching for those flash words Beck and FoxNews told you to beware. Stewart said it best, we are living in hard times, not the end times.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Tea Party is a subtle name for..

    by Stalkeye

    ...Klan Rally."Never seen so many angry Whites since they cancelled M.A.S.H." (0:'

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Subject: Save Obama!

    by corvette63

    Dear AICN As you may have notice, Republicans are looking for a huge turnout this November and some are even predicting a landslide victory. We need all of our little helpers in all forms of the media to do their part to get our base excited about Obama again. John Stewart is doing a rally in Washington DC on October 30 and we really would appreciate you talking it up. We already have a commitment from SEIU and the Huffington Post to bus hundreds of participants to the event. Even Oprah is helping out the cause. Be sure to stay tuned to CBS news where we will distribute our latest talking points on the rally and all things Obama. With your help, this November will be one for the books! Sincerely, DNC

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    The Revenge gets it...the USA is living on past glory

    by Carl's hat

    2010 guys. here comes China, India and Brazil. Get on the train or get off the tracks 'cause unless you get with the program you'll be the latest empire to fall. <p>Republicans/ tea baggers want to hold government yet go on about the evils of government. They make the mistake of thinking Democrats LOVE governments. No, they're all bloody shifty. But, we do need regulations. Republicans and tea baggers think you can have a professional game of football but without the referee.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    "Thread's dead baby....Thread's dead..."

    by Keblar

    Delusion is no Illusion, and any rational thought that may have managed to squeak through in this disgussion [sic] is systematically ignored, as the same pattern of "repeat and it will become true" rages on in spite of saner (vainer) requests for validation.<p> Let's leave this basement to the rats to scream at their walls and preach to their choirs. Nothing constructive or intelligent can be heard over the din of self-delusion, denial, and misplaced rage.<p> There really is no longer ANYTHING to see here; move along.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    heres my philosophical take on this political mess

    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost

    I pee pee in my pants

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Keep fighting with each other dems and repubs

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    While the military industrial complex robs you blind and laughs at your ignorance. 800 Billion per year is too much to spend on anything, let alone more weapons to make more wars that we cannot afford. We are not the world cop, bring the troops home and have them protect our borders.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Funny will always beat crazy

    by andrew coleman

    What I love about dumb ass Republicans these past couple months they keep chanting about how they will win seats tomorrow. Well guess what? Nothing will change. 2012 when Obama looses, nothing will change. Republicans and Democrats put us in this mess and all these fucks running for seats are the same as the last people who held them... The wars, tax cuts for rich... Clinton and Bush made it possible for companies to ship jobs over seas... Those companies give so much money to political leaders so that will NEVER CHANGE the jobs will continue to leave or never come back. Republicans claim they want smaller government... That means less regulation over big companies... That means less jobs! If people want real change get out of debt and out of a deficit two things need to be cut epically... Defense and Social Security. Defense will never get cut because will "look weak" and there is too much corruption connected to defense companies. Republicans will never reform or cut back social security... They will loose all the worthless red necks over 45 who only care about those checks. So yay moron Republicans celebrate your "victory" but really the only one's winning anything are the people getting checks for working in government. Nothing will change. This train of stupidity we all jumped on started decades ago. Look at the trends since even the 80's... It's the same thing! Only reason Bush won another term in 2004 was because people were scared pussies at the time and thought Sadam was actually a huge threat to the country HA HA HA what a joke. Not surprised Stewart and Colbert almost trippled the Beck and Palin rally, because even though whites over 40 don't want to believe this, the young generation isn't filled with hate towards gays and other races. Funny will always beat crazy. Always. Debate over I win. I won before the debate even started.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Funny will always beat crazy

    by andrew coleman

    What I love about dumb ass Republicans these past couple months they keep chanting about how they will win seats tomorrow. Well guess what? Nothing will change. 2012 when Obama looses, nothing will change. Republicans and Democrats put us in this mess and all these fucks running for seats are the same as the last people who held them... The wars, tax cuts for rich... Clinton and Bush made it possible for companies to ship jobs over seas... Those companies give so much money to political leaders so that will NEVER CHANGE the jobs will continue to leave or never come back. Republicans claim they want smaller government... That means less regulation over big companies... That means less jobs! If people want real change get out of debt and out of a deficit two things need to be cut epically... Defense and Social Security. Defense will never get cut because will "look weak" and there is too much corruption connected to defense companies. Republicans will never reform or cut back social security... They will loose all the worthless red necks over 45 who only care about those checks. So yay moron Republicans celebrate your "victory" but really the only one's winning anything are the people getting checks for working in government. Nothing will change. This train of stupidity we all jumped on started decades ago. Look at the trends since even the 80's... It's the same thing! Only reason Bush won another term in 2004 was because people were scared pussies at the time and thought Sadam was actually a huge threat to the country HA HA HA what a joke. Not surprised Stewart and Colbert almost trippled the Beck and Palin rally, because even though whites over 40 don't want to believe this, the young generation isn't filled with hate towards gays and other races. Funny will always beat crazy. Always. Debate over I win. I won before the debate even started.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I've read a lot of batshit crazy nonsense on this thread today,

    by Novaman5000

    Nothing beats ccchhhrrriiisssm's assertion that Bush's terms were filled with record prosperity.... which is of course validated by the fact that he managed to turn a surplus into a record deficit.<p> And anyone claiming this stewart rally was mostly white was not paying attention. Not only was there a ton of diversity, ethnically, there was also a ton RELIGIOUSLY. How many Jews and Muslims went to Beck's rally?<p> You conservatives just don't fucking get it. You're isolated, and you're doing alright for yourselves because white middle class christian happens to be a majority. But not for long. You'll win in 2010, maybe even 2012, but as more and more people get fed up with your bullshit, it's gonna swing back the other way. Such is the nature of politics.<p> Also, learn to take a fucking joke. Anyone criticizing the signs at this rally completely missed the point. The signs you guys are pointing out as being hateful (like the hitler mustache one) were making FUN OF YOUR GUYS. The ones who call Obama Hitler or show up with a picture of him with a bone through his nose, screaming about how he's a secret Kenyan. There's a difference between real hate and mocking the bigots.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    What has become of America?

    by Hater_Von_Oldenfatte

    Why, in my day, if a righty told us to shut up, well, by golly, that's exactly what we did. What happened to obedience?

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    100 Best Signs at the rally

    by Novaman5000 <p> Further proof that conservatives have absolutely no sense of humor? I mean, if we needed more proof than Fox New's "Half Hour Comedy Hour".

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    And coughlin, Fox bused in people all over the country.

    by Novaman5000

    The Tea Party Movement is the DEFINITION of "astroturf".

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    One word...

    by b3guy1


  • Nov. 1, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    T-minus 24 hours till HONOR restored to America!

    by Starship Captain

    In other words, tomorrow Lefties are scheduled for a real pig squealing, DELIVERANCE level ass-fucking for trying their hardest, the last 2 years, to drive this country into the ground. Because hating on America always makes butt wipes like George Soros or an Arianna Huffington or those in the socialist, America-loathing biased Lib media happy. But thankfully we still have a chance to save this place by firing your worthless asses.<p>Tomorrow can't come fast enough! To the average American, Christmas just came early!

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Good to see you bro! God damn I miss your voice of reason and intelligence. You need to post more often. I was at the rally and everything you said was true.<p> The funniest sign/person there? Well that would be the guy dressed in a full-on Skeletor costume carrying a sign with a picture of He-Man with a Hitler mustache and the word "Socialist" underneath it. I pray to God every day to be half that funny.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    You're trying to take the aspects of real politics and economics you can observe, and force-fit them into some right-wing "socialist invasion" scenario...which is bullshit.<p> What's happening to America is not about some giant "Marx vs. Smith" ideological battle, it's about a fading empire losing its global power and two business-dominated political parties jockeying each other for control...but neither has a solution, because at the end of the day, it's a plutocracy and the uber-wealthy don't want to make the necessary sacrifices (reinstate Glass-Steagall, for instance) to get the US back in the game.<p> And corporatism is just the later stages of capitalism...libertarians and other capitalist adherents like to comfort themselves with the belief that there's some "pure" form of capitalism that won't mutate into the unseemly confluence of high-level political and business ties we see in the US now...can't happen. Once a given capitalist achieves a certain level of power, he builds his nest and jealously guards it from all others, buying the necessary political influence to maintain his position. I've never understood why libertarians can't wrap their head around that simple scenario.<p> Just all part of The Game.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Novaman5000, you're another hypocrite

    by Starship Captain

    Novaman5000: "Also, learn to take a fucking joke. Anyone criticizing the signs at this rally completely missed the point. The signs you guys are pointing out as being hateful (like the hitler mustache one) were making FUN OF YOUR GUYS. The ones who call Obama Hitler or show up with a picture of him with a bone through his nose, screaming about how he's a secret Kenyan. There's a difference between real hate and mocking the bigots."<p>Two words for you, Novaman. BITE ME. Amazing how the left always thinks their hate is okay, that their shit doesn't stink, yet you're always the first ones to turn into whiny crybabies and yell foul when someone uses your own tricks against you or uses the exact same imagery that you've employed.<p>But, funny, I don't recall you posting about hate or bigotry when Bush was portrayed with a Hitler mustache. Or was routinely demeaned and called "the Chimp" or "Bushitler" or names like that. THEN it was okay. THEN it was "humor" to make a point and protesting the administration was the highest sign of patriotism. But the second anyone portrays Obama the same way, or protests his administration, you Libs get your panties in a bunch and label people bigots and hate mongers. Sorry, Novaman, but you're just like the rest of the laughable Left: a total hypocrite.<p>And just for the record, I think pictures of Obama with a bone through his nose are fucking hysterical. So BITE ME again. Maybe if Obama hadn't made his very FIRST presidential order to seal ALL of his personal records under lock and key, he wouldn't have gotten mocked so much. "Most transparent administration in history" MY ASS.<p>And that's just what it is, Novaman -- equal opportunity mocking and joking. Which only shows once again that it's erectionally challenged Libs who can't take a fucking joke.<p>WAAAAH! They made a bad sign about Obama!<p>WAAAAH! He's supposed to be "The One" and everyone is supposed to love him and do whatever he says, no questions asked!<p>WAAAAH! Libs have no sense of humor and now our party is gonna get ass kicked!<p>WAAAAH! WE REALLY SUCK!!!

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Corporate America laughs at the Tea Party

    by NoCalFlicks

    Corporate America is made up of a lot of smart folks. Right now they are laughing at the guy making $30,000, out there marching, demanding that the corporate tax be cut, or that the estate tax be abolished. When people say we are a "Center/Right" nation. It is nonsense. What you label yourself doesn't mean much. What matters is how you feel on actual issues, and most data suggests the majority come down on the side of the Democratic Party on the issues. But what do issues matter when the right-wing media has been so successful making "liberal" a dirty word. Liberal/Conservative/Dem/Repub. All that is just identity politics. Unfortunately identity politics is seemingly what is driving people these days. It is all about what team you are on, and what the team demands you do at the ballot box.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Starship Captain

    by BurnHollywood

    LOL. Your "honorable" new Speaker Of The House, John Boehner, is even more in the pocket of Wall Street than Obama. Expect yet another insider to take over Harry Reid's post when he loses his job. And the Supreme Court made it clear who butters their bread when they reaffirmed "corporate personhood", so the bankers now effectively control all three branches of government.<p> Expect nothing, and you won't be disappointed.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Corporatism reigns supreme

    by NoCalFlicks

    If anything both political parties are beholden to corporate america, now more than ever. Once the Supreme Court declared that Corporations were people, and now that they can donate unlimited amounts of money under the guise of "speech" it means that regardless of political party affiliation, you basically need the money and donations from corporate america just to be elected in the first place. The middle-class is disappearing and we are becoming a nation

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Corporatism reigns supreme

    by NoCalFlicks

    If anything both political parties are beholden to corporate america, now more than ever. Once the Supreme Court declared that Corporations were people, and now that they can donate unlimited amounts of money under the guise of "speech" it means that regardless of political party affiliation, you basically need the money and donations from corporate america just to be elected in the first place. The middle-class is disappearing and we are becoming a nation of the super-wealthy elite and then everyone else. People are losing jobs and being told to go get a service-industry job. The super-wealthy and the people who offer them services. This is where this country is headed, and neither party is showing any signs of getting in the way of that. Capitalism has been exposed as being just as flawed as every other economic system. Checks and balances were there to keep it in check, but those are being slowly(or not so slowly lately)chipped away at, as to make it just like every other system, which is to benefit the super wealthy.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    "a bone through his nose are fucking hysterical"

    by Billyeveryteen

    Yep, you're a credit to your party.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST


    by G100

    Unemployment at 10%, Afghanistan still a hopeless quagmire. Both predicted on the night Obama won as was this midterm 'backlash' because the economy is still on it's knees.<p> <p>What matters is how the economy is in 2012 and whether there is a decent Republican candidate. Not the tea party as they won't have a Presidential candidate.<p> <p>All the extremist 'noise' right now is amusing but irrelevant. The economy will decide it in two years as it always does.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    You don't recall me posting because I wasn't

    by Novaman5000

    Posting on aintitcool when Bush was in office... At least not about politics. The truth is you know shit about my political stances, but I came after your fellow righties and now you're feeling all Mama bear and have to lash out, I get it. But lets review some facts, shall we? <p>First off, Starship, you're wrong, I think that putting a hitler mustache on anyone is moronic hyperbole, regardless of who it's on. My point above was that a lot of the signs the conservatives are screaming about from the Stewart Rally were making fun of republican signage. I can't speak for all of them, I'm pretty sure a majority were ironic and in jest. The bone through the nose signs at tea party rallies? Not a joke. Meant in all seriousness. That's the difference. And it's an important distinction. <p> As one of the signs at the Stewart Rally said: "The only person who's Hitler is Hitler." And they're absolutely correct.<p> The fact of the matter is I dislike the idiots on both sides who resort to that bullshit. The ones who scream about Bush being behind 9/11 are just as bad as the ones screaming that Obama's not a real citizen. That sort of extremism lends NOTHING to the discourse.<p> As for MY hate, I have none. I think Bush fucked up the country, but I don't hate the man. I wasn't one of the ones out there calling him any names. I just wanted him out of office. I think he legitimately believed in what he was doing. I don't think he was evil or malicious, I just think he wasn't particularly well-advised or spoken.<p> So you can paint your novaman straw man as the outraged liberal who can dish it out but can't take it, who runs sobbing because the dems are gonna lose tomorrow, who doesn't have a sense of humor, but I'm far from it. I'm not devastated over obama nosebone posters, but I can recognize the inherent racism in it. I can also recognize that the people holding those signs (as well as the ones who think the signs are "fucking hysterical" are probably pretty ignorant and though they're annoying, they a minority on the conservative side. <p> I don't like Michael Moore anymore than I like Karl Rove. <p> And you can rant all you want in ALL CAPS and add cute little adjectives like "erectionally challenged" [which, btw, hilarious] till you're blue in the face but it doesn't give you any more of a leg to stand on. Being loud and obnoxious does not equal being right… Though I would suggest you try to be a little funnier next time, if you're really married to the loud/obnoxious thing. <p> In the end, you're ranting about a position you've never seen me take to make a point that's not even factually accurate… And that's EXACTLY what Jon Stewart held the rally to speak out against.<p> As a side note: Obama wasn't even my first choice, so spare me the "he's the one" nonsense. I never thought he'd swoop in and fix everything because I know that it'd be impossible to clean up the mess he was handed in 22 months. Yet another Nova-fact you've gotten wrong.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost


  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Proved him right

    by Firedrake

    I love how so many posters here have proven Stewart's points right, even if they don't realize it.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    Yeah, it's the economy, but the sad fact of the matter is, if Obama had been willing to take the bully pulpit early on and force the necessary changes in the Financial Industry (Wall Street), we wouldn't be in this mess now. What needed to happen was the return of Glass-Steagall, a crucial Great Depression-era reform which was eliminated by Clinton-era Democrats. It maintained a wall between banks and investment's absence is now sapping the economy as investment is being redirected from R&D, hiring, capital equipment, etc into higher yield financial instruments that have minimal to no effect on the overall economy.<p> (A blogger nicely enunciated this concern here: )<p> History will record Obama's failure to take responsible action when he had the chance...I'd love to say he was naive, but he's too smart for that. "Owned" is closer to the truth.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by Novaman5000

    The signs have been my favorite part! There are a ton of articles online feature photo albums of them. Some real classics.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Charlie Gibson

    by Immortal_Fish

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    It's all Clinton's fault won't cut it. Bush had 8 years.

    by G100

    Bush had plenty of time to regulate the Bankers yet he did the opposite.<p> <p>Clinton did indeed do the financial sectors bidding, but to pretend Bush gave a shit about the incompetent credit ratings agencies and the toxic securities boom would be farcical.<p> <p>In 2003 the Securities and Exchange Commission submitted a report to Congress detailing plans to launch an investigation into the anti-competitive practices of credit rating agencies and issues including conflicts of interest. Despite this, the valuation of worthless garbage as AAA+ by the CRA's became one of the prime causes of the banking crash.<p> <p>If Obama doesn't regulate the financial industry then another bank crash is inevitable. Could be 2 years, 4 years, 8 years, but it will happen. They now expect to be bailed out by Republican or Democrat administrations and the sad thing is, they will be.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    RYAN SEACREST to interview Obama tomorrow!!!

    by CountryBoy

    It doesn't get any better than this...

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    "Bush had plenty of time to regulate the Bankers yet he did the opposite."<p> Yeah, but while I'd hardly stick my neck out for Bush, the Republicans can be expected to stick to their mantra of deregulation and opposing any and all forms of regulation. It's like blaming a wolf for preying on sheep.<p> It was the duty of the more egalitarian "smarter" party to prevent this situation, and they not only helped create it, but are also perpetuating it through inaction, intentional or otherwise. The new Speaker, Boehner, is so completely owned that he actually called the minimalistic Obama Financial Reform "killing an ant with a nuclear weapon" if Wall Street is merely an "ant".<p> After tomorrow, nothing will stand between Wall Street and their own excesses except a backlash by the rest of the globe with a trade/currency war, which will be disastrous to middle America. At the least, this malaise will linger on straight through to the '12 elections.<p> It didn't have to be this way. Obama failed us all.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Re: NoCal

    by SK229

    Why do you have to be so fucking right? If anyone can tell me why the opposite of what he says might be true, with reasons to back it up (i.e. how we're NOT ruled by corporations and won't soon be a country made up of the super-elite and those that service them), I'd REALLY appreciate the dose of positivity. As it stands, I think we are headed towards an era where you either 'get mines' as they might say in hip-hop circles, or risk being marginalized to the point of living in a tin can, subsisting on pork & beans and oats.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    SK229, "NoCal, why do you have to be so fucking right?"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Agreed. No, really.<P>Now, strip all unions of the same luxuries and we'll really be talking. As you mention, "As it stands, I think we are headed towards an era where you either 'get mines' as they might say in hip-hop circles, or risk being marginalized to the point of living in a tin can, subsisting on pork & beans and oats."<P>Agreed. Way agreed.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    No argument with NoCalFlicks here.

  • Nov. 1, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    "Bush had plenty of time to regulate the Bankers yet he did the

    by Immortal_Fish

    Agreed. In fact, it was 11 separate and distinct occasions.<P>Anyone that holds Bush accountable for being at most impotent should also hold Dodd and Fwank for being at least involved.<P>To do otherwise is to betray one's nefarious allegiance.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Just doing my part guys! *wink*

    by NoCalFlicks

    But honestly, until money is eliminated from politics, it is always going to benefit the politician to reward those who give them the most money and keep them in their position. There is just no rational way to deny that. Also, I would point to an issue like NAFTA or the overall Free Trade issue. This is an issue neither Dem or Repub will touch, because it greatly benefits their corporate masters, but it is also an issue that seemingly some of the most liberal and most traditionally conservative minded folks agree is absolutely, unequivocally bad for American workers.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin and 2010

    by superroach

    I've heard on the most watched Cable news outlet that Palin has made 20 million since 08. That's from her Book deal and speaches. I don't see her giving up that cash in 2012.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    I disagree with NoCalFlicks

    by nick_noltes_neckhair

    Just kidding.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    No one seems to realize

    by nick_noltes_neckhair

    just what heedless market deregulation is going to mean for them.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST

    "Beck's White People Rally" vs "Stewart's White People Rally"

    by EmmaWatsonsWeirdAss

    shows that cable tv personalities can attract a lot of retards

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    So the moderates and level-headed are starting to be the majorit

    by AsimovLives

    Good job, Americans, i'm proud of you. That's a good start, keep on going. Next stop, thrown all of the christians/conservatives/GOP/neocon fucks to the bottom of the ocean and forget they ever existed.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:59 a.m. CST

    The most annoying thing about Yanks

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    from both sides, but mostly right, is the constant need to tell itself that the USA is THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.... EVER!!! Jesus, you sound like a guy who works out furiously to compensate for his tiny cock. Beck talking about the country being a unique experiment, like there's just one democracy in the world. It's not surprising as your media only tells you about foreign countries when they are gearing you up to support invading them and torturing their people. You think your brand of democracy is so great, when it's clearly a couple of puppets distracting you from who really rules you. You're not a terrible country, you have your heart in the right place mostly, but quit it with the best country ever woo yeah crap. I'm joking of course, I don't think you'll be capable of that for a century or so if ever.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    It's Okay To Be Intolerant Of Nazis

    by LaserPants

    aka Republicans / Teabaggin' Teabigots, et al. It's more than ok, it's a duty. Of course, since we like in FAILMERIKKKA, we're all headed to a teabaggin' 4th reich anyways, so, vote as a way to clear your conscience and no you had nothing to do with the nightmare the world transformed into when a bunch of brain dead hicks took over and finished the work Bush started -- turning the US into a third world nation and driving it into the ground.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    That analogy was hilarious and spot on and made me laugh out loud. <p> P.S. Eat shit.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    fuck glenn beck

    by lostboytexas

    fuck every single think about that cunt. awesome to see Stewart/Colbert smoke his ass!

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Beck = Stewart = Colbert

    by PTSDPete

    That's the real equivalence.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Dead_Kate_Moss really must hate the 4th of July!

    by Snake Foreskin

    Worst day ever, I'll bet. Probably sits with the lights out and his Union Jack curtains drawn, blaring Rule, Britannia! while staring at a dollar bill and toying with the idea of placing a loaded firearm into his mouth and pulling the trigger.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    You idiots need to ditch your Che tee-shirts & get a life

    by cgd

    The Beck event was over 5x the size of the jokefest and, if you look at independent research, you would know that. Also, all the Beck event $ went to the Warrior Foundation (he pocketed none). You 20-something dopes know nothing of history or American exceptionalism. Once you move out of your parent's basement and work in the real world, you may gain some insight. Until then, STFU.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    But Jon Stewart is the arbiter of all that is right and good!

    by Snake Foreskin

    And funny! And if you're cool like him, you won't take politics any more seriously than he does. Ask Obama what it's like to come face to face with the gravitas that is Jon Stewart!

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Dead Kate Moss

    by Novaman5000

    It's really one side over the other that pushes the "America, Fuck Yeah!" attitude. Most liberals have no problem saying what's wrong with this country. It's the republicans that say "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists".

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    That's basically voting Republican, so you can eat shit as well.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Snake Foreskin, you prbve my point

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    Celebrate the 4th of July, why should I/we care? Unlike you over-patriotic nuts, we don't have Union Jack curtains or listen to Rule Brittania, because we have a normal, balanced attitude to our country (like most countries). We don't need to go around telling each other and everyone else we're the greatest country in the world, and don't yelp with tears running down our fat faces how 'I love this goddamn country and so goddamn proud to be an American!' Just grow up, you embarrass yourself. Imagine some guy going around going 'I'm the greatest guy in the world ever! I love myself so much!!' That's what Americans sound like.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Not anymore anyway. I mean why would you be patriotic? Now that your empire has disappeared and you've fucked up the whole world drawing your little lines in the sand and all. Don't get me wrong. I agree with you on the jingoistic nature of our stupid fucking country. We're next obviously. But don't act all fucking superior either.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    So you need an Empire to be patriotic?

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    We could still trade on past accomplishments (like the French try to) to justify rabid patriotism, but we choose not too because it's not cool. I'm not acting superior, I have clearly pointed out that too many Americans literally act superior with the 'We're number one! Greatest Country in the history of time!'etc. The logical conclusion is that everyone else is inferior. You don't come across very likeable when you do that, but ironically, being liked and admired seems far more important to Americans than any other country. You can't have it both way.

  • I've repeatedly asked for a coherent, backed up argument in these TB's when the discussion turns political as to WHY America MIGHT not be totally fucking screwed and be turned into a caste system. I have yet to hear one person give me a good reason that it won't be. I have some ideas on how we can fix things... namely, 1) making the process of starting a small business EXTREMELY (like full retard) simple so that you aren't running afoul of any tax laws without even knowing it, as things are now. Go start a small business and watch the fucking federal and state vultures start circling and sending you endless piles of forms and guides before you've even sold one widget. Meanwhile they're falling all over themselves to help out monolithic corporations. 2) Reinstate Glass-Steagal and curb energy speculation 3) return manufacturing to the U.S. 4) Do a top-to-bottom, transparent overhaul at all levels of government that seeks to get rid of waste and keep in place SENSIBLE and ENFORCED regulations when it comes the environment, drugs, banks, and corporations... and 5) Add more financial transparency at ALL levels of government, including the state so we know EXACTLY where our money is going. <p>I see almost NONE of these things being done to a point where it really makes a difference. Most of it is mere lip service. All we're seeing today is shuffling out one group of morons and shuffling in another, who are basically getting new jobs in politics on the narrative that because they are an outside, they'll know how to clean it up and will have the incentive to. Sorry... not buying it... and don't much care anymore... like I said, it's not like we can even wait to see if the latest crop of clowns really has our best interests at heart. If you wait too long for them to fix things, well... the writing is on the wall... if you don't 'Get mines' like I said, one way or another (and try to do it legally, please, don't sink to their level), they're gonna get yours for you and you'll be marginalized to living in poverty as they take everything they can and tell you to thank them as they shit down your throat. 'They' being the bankers, politicians, and corporate overloads. I'm not a class warrior either, I think our system once made sense and we had laws to make SURE it made sense and allowed great numbers of people to achieve upward mobility, but all that's been wiped clean because of the power of concentrated wealth. Clearly, this consolidation of power and money is the second to last stage of a capitalist economy and we just never realized it.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Hobocode's bad faith in America explained.

    by DoctorWho?

    For Hobocode (and everyone else who can't apply nuanced thinking) it's either '"America, Fuck Yeah!" jingoistic thinking or " America is the epitome of all evil". Zero objectivity. Zero wisdom.<p> America has and always will be full of flaws...because humans are. Look at all of the past hypocrisy (slavery, suppression of women etc). We get it. Americ's NOT perfect. But much like the sheltered, whining adolescent who finds out his parents aren't perfect...he sulks and pouts "I hate you!"<p> Today, bad faith in America is a sophistication, a kind of hipness. (Jon Stewart anyone?) <p> And hey, it's the perfect formula for political and governmental power. It rationalizes power in the name of intervening against evil—lets have use the government to intervene against the evil tendencies of American life (economic inequality, racism, sexism, corporate greed etc) Our saviors!<p> Therefore, if one opposes such a surrender of all responsibility to the State, well then...they must just be bigots and racists and homophobes blahblahblah.<p> How shallow.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    It's called a "Foundation Myth", Dead_Kate_Moss...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Or more appropriately, "Noble Lie".<p> If Americans don't believe they're the *only* free society on Earth (as Beck tells them in his latest book, BROKE) and the greatest nation ever, they might start questioning the state of their lives and look into how other countries solve their problems.<p> (Case in point: Italy probably has the best balance of health care quality with cost...Finland is reputed to have the best primary schools...why not see how they achieved either? Ever notice how no one suggests that? Just tries to re-invent the wheel, American-style...)<p> The evil "brilliance" of jingoism (especially Beck-style jingoism) is that it praises the ideal of a nonexistent past, then goes on to condemn the present-day enemies who ruined it, leaving reality out of the equation. It's a re-invention of the "Original Sin" myth for political gain.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    OR, Doctor Who,

    by Novaman5000

    They might just ACTUALLY be bigots and racists and homophobes.<p> You can paint THOSE people with whatever red white and blue brushes you'd like, but the fact remains that a lot of those so-called "patriots" you seem to admire are all of the above and more. Anyone who would use the term "Nigger" in reference to the president? Yeaaaah that's a racist.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    And liberals don't hate america.

    by Novaman5000

    That's just a meme the conservatives created to try and temper any complaints about the country. <p> "If you complain, you hate america." "Why do you hate America so much." "If you hate America this much, go to Canada!"<p> Fucking children. <p>You can dislike things about your country and speak your mind about them without hating the fucking place. <p>Conservatives don't understand that not everything is so black and white. Or, as they would prefer it, White and white.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    I like Al Franken's take:<p> "Conservatives love America like a child loves his mommy, and mommy can do no wrong. Whereas we (liberals) love America like an adult loves someone, recognizing our mate has faults and taking the good with the bad, and always working to appreciate what’s there, being critical of what’s wrong and trying to help and make it better."

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by Novaman5000

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    OK Mr. Deep Thinker...

    by DoctorWho?

    "They might just ACTUALLY be bigots and racists and homophobes."<p> Um, gee...ya think there might be some bigots and homophobes walking around out there???? NO SHIT. <p> So that means America is 100% racist/homophobic nation right????<p> You see, it's so funny how you characterize 'conservatives' as thinking in terms of black and white and then you go ahead guessed it... think in terms of black and white.<p> And ya really think there are people out there who use the word "nigger" too??? *gasp* REALLY??? And maybe even use that word to refer to our president??? *gasp*<p> Yes. There called RACISTS Einstein, and they're ASSHOLES. So what exactly is your point? <p> Did you just land on planet Earth? Did you just discover the Internet? You mean up until this point you never realized that the world is filled with some very mean, rude, crude, obnoxious, hateful, bigoted, intolerant people??????<p> And in your black in white little world they're all 'right wingers'.<p> And the "Conservatives love America like a child loves his mommy" is a joke. It's the Left who insists on the NANNY STATE. A thirty year old who is still relying on mom and dad, it's not a good sign right? So why is a society relying on government a good sign? Tell me the difference between relying on your parents as an adult and relying on the government as an adult?

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Dr Who

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    relying on your parents is natural. Yo are helpless without the. Expecting your government to use tax dollars to run and improve the country is a what governments are for, that's why all the other developed countries use them. Can you see the difference?

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Al Franken's take:

    by DoctorWho?

    Actually in that analogy, the person recognize their mate's faults and belittle them endlessly. <p> "I DO think you're attractive honey, but you would be PERFECT if you would just get that boob job...that costs 30 million.... it's more important to look good than to have your self- respect. And of course think about our friends and neighbors too. It's VERY important that you...I mean WE look good in THEIR eyes. This way they will like us more."<p> "But honey, why don't we take that money and pay off our mortgage and save for some of the kids college fund?"<p> "Shut up bitch, that 's what credit cards are for! It's more important that we FEEL good about ourselves rather than actually be responsible, ethical people! Don't worry, we'll be dead and gone and the kids will have to pick up the tab. I'm a genius eh?"

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Almost Kate

    by DoctorWho?

    "Expecting your government to use tax dollars to run and improve the country"<p> Government doesn't 'run' the country. People make the country run. And I'm not sure what you men by 'improve the country. If you mean building, maintaining roads, infrastructure, ensuring (through the rule of law) the individuals free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life, and on and on...then yes.<p> Increasingly managing cradle to grave care of citizens? No.<p> "relying on your parents is natural" To a point. You don't find something wrong with staying with mommy and daddy in your 30's? Not venturing out into the world, travel, work, make and individual life? Even animals leave the nest.<p> This is one of the many reasons that all the founders — especially Jefferson — were so adamant about keeping government small, their belief that humans needed to work out their lives for themselves. Everybody believes that there are a number of individuals who clearly have been hit by such tragedy that the state must come in if nothing else works. And we want other things to work.<p> It never fails to astonish me how people infer how the 'right' wants to abolish all taxes, government and adopt an everyman-for-himself-anarchy. That is a profoundly ignorant, uninformed, cartoonish stereotype (not you per say, just in general)

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    The Washington Examiner Election Day Liberal Media Spin Drinking Game!<p> RULES: Take a drink every time you hear an anchor, pundit, or other TV talking head... Say <p> "Anti-incumbent." No, this isn't an anti-incumbent year. The only Republican Senator even remotely close to losing her seat Tuesday is Lisa Murkowski, a write-in candidate who lost her primary for being too liberal. Somewhere from zero to three House Republicans will lose, and those include Hawaii and New Orleans. There might be one or two Republican governors fall, but in all likelihood, this an anti-Democrat year. Suggested drink: A Hurricane or a Mai Tai, local drinks of New Orleans and Hawaii, respectively -- the only districts where GOP congressmen (Joe Cao and Charles Djou) are likely to fall.<p> Say "temper-tantrum." Recall this Peter Jennings gem from 1994: "Some thoughts on those angry voters. Ask parents of any two-year-old and they can tell you about those temper tantrums: the stomping feet, the rolling eyes, the screaming. It's clear that the anger controls the child and not the other way around. It's the job of the parent to teach the child to control the anger and channel it in a positive way. Imagine a nation full of uncontrolled two-year-old rage. The voters had a temper tantrum last week....Parenting and governing don't have to be dirty words: the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old." Suggested drink: A Jello Shot. Two-year-olds love jello.<p> Say "blind rage" Remember, rebuking Bush and throwing out Republicans was about finding our better angels. Rebuking Obama and throwing out Democrats is about blind range. Suggested drink: Irish Whiskey<p> Blame Obama for not "getting his message out" Both sides do this: if my side is losing, it must be only because we didn't communicate our ideas and plans well enough -- it can't be because people didn't like what we were doing! With Obama, it's even more absurd. The man, famous for his eloquence, was constantly campaigning. Suggested drink: spiked Slurpee<p> Chalk it up to voter racism: Americans figured out a black guy was running the country, and they freaked out, deciding to "take back America" for the white guys. Suggested drink: White Russian. Mention that one guy who owns a McDonalds who (possibly inappropriately) told his employees to vote Republican. Because we're sure that tipped the balance of the election. Suggested drink: Spiked (flavorless) milkshake<p> Say "secret money" Because it doesn't matter that Democrats outraised Republicans from the most politically active industries in America, including Wall Street. It doesn't matter that K Street favored Dems 2-to-1 with campaign contributions. The public-employee unions don't count as a special interest. It's just that secret Republican money that's insidious. Suggested drink: Rum-and-Koch<p> Drink for every block in which Christine O'Donnell is the most-mentioned candidate. Talking about Christine O'Donnell is very important therapy for liberals. First, it allows them to feel smarter than conservatives -- O'Donnell says a lot of silly things, and is a conservative woman, both of which make her a prime target of smug liberal mockery. Also, this is a rare open seat Democrats will win. Combine those two points, and it gives liberal anchors a chance to say their favorite line: Republicans need to be moderate to win. Suggested drink: Witch's Wit ale.<p>

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Dr Who

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    "relying on your parents is natural" To a point. You don't find something wrong with staying with mommy and daddy in your 30's" Sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant until you reach your late teens or early twenties... of course the super-rich get to have their whole lives set up by their super-rich parents and never have to fend for themselves. And cradle-to-grave - well if you pay your taxes, you should be entitled to free education,free healthcare, free police and fire services. Again, works in countries with higher standard of living than the US.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Olbermann 'annoyed'

    by DoctorWho?

    Olbermann "... was so annoyed at being included in Stewart’s video montage of talking heads who make America less sane. Dummy that he is, he was upset at being lumped in with Glenn Beck, not with being derided as extreme at a rally where a guy who’s condoned religious murder (Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam) is standing right there on stage."<p>

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    "And cradle-to-grave - well if you pay your taxes, you should be entitled to free education,free healthcare, free police and fire services. "<p> I appreciate your honesty. I totally disagree but that's fine as long as we have clarity. Most people aren't so honest about outright advocating that kind of European Socialism.<p> But one counrty that has a "...higher standard of living than the US."

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    "higher standard Of living than in the us??? Impossible!"

    by Dead_Kate_Moss "The standard of living in the United States is one of the top 20 in the world by the standards economists use as measures of standards of living. On comprehensive measures such as the UN Human Development Index the United States is always in the top twenty, currently ranking 15th. On the Human Poverty Index the United States ranked 16th, one rank below the United Kingdom and one rank above Ireland.[4] On the Economist's quality-of-life index the United States ranked 13th, in between Finland and Canada, scoring 7.6 out of a possible 10. The highest given score of 8.3 was applied to Ireland. This particular index takes into account a variety of socio-economic variables including GDP per capita, life expectancy, political stability, family life, community life, gender equality, and job security.[5]"

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Haha, Dr. Who, your crazy is showing.

    by Novaman5000

    Why do most of the conservatives in this talkback tend to devolve into breathless rands with all CAPITAL LETTERS and copious amounts of punctuation!?!?!??!?!?!?<p> Anyway, you missed my point. My point was that people don't call this poor maligned group you speak of "racists", "bigots", "homophobes" because they are rallying against big government, they call them those things because many of them are ACTUALLY racists, bigots and homophobes. Not all of them are. Not all of America is. I'm not sure where you're extrapolating that bullshit from, though that's typical. Give me a point of view I don't have so you can make me seem like a radical.<p>I simply said that you were pretending as though the tea baggers have been unfairly painted as those things because they're anti-government, when it's really because some of them they carry racist signs and scream homophobic things things. Don't pretend like it's out of nowhere. And for the record, there are racists, bigots, homophobes on all sides and in all states. No one is going to argue otherwise. <p> As for us wanting a NANNY STATE, the conservatives are the only group who consistently try to amend the constitution whenever they don't like something that another person is doing. It doesn't get more Nanny state than that.<p> And Dead Kate, don't bother, I'd wager that as soon as you mentioned the UN you lost all credibility with him, though that's just a guess on my part.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    *rants, and just one "things"

    by Novaman5000


  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I'm not a Witch or indeed a Senator

    by G100

    Bets please on which reality show O'Donnel will now show up on.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I like how O'Donnell claimed she was backed by God.

    by Novaman5000

    Does that mean even GOD lost in this election? Rough day.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Novaman500, yes I thought that too

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    Like the UN Human Development did the study, and found US best in all categories. Then thought fuck those Yanks, lets take some points of them, hahahaha. There are other non-UN studies that say much the same thing, but of course are also ant-American fakery driven ny jealousy...yeah thats the ticket... <p>"No1! Best Country EVAH!!! USA USA USA!"

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by Novaman5000

    Fuck YEAH!

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    HELL YEAH! Alan Grayson is OUT !!!

    by Starship Captain

    If there was one asshole who truly deserved to get a karma payback and get voted out of office, it was that loud mouthed, bitter fuck Alan Grayson.<p>THANK YOU, FLORIDA!!!

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by Dead_Kate_Moss

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Kind of odd that we're relegated to this old one

    by Novaman5000

    But maybe AICN is trying to stay apolitical.

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by jay2517

    man, that made my night. well, besides Olbermann having to actually STATE the fact. i dont know which was worse for him...having to announce Grayson lost OR Rand Paul WON lol....

  • Nov. 2, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST

    BTW...wheres Herc's TB stating Dems PLUMMENT IN RATINGS???

    by jay2517

    but guess what??? we beat Beck's rally with Stewart's lol (riiigghhhttt!!! anyone with common sense and EYES can put that to rest). i really DOUBT we'll get a TB from Herc on this particular (and relevant topic for him lately it seems) "non tv" event...

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by lostboytexas

    just when I think you couldn't be a dumber degenerate than you currently are you go and say some shit like that. just go back to playing with feces you tard!

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Olbermann smokes Stewart et al

    by lostboytexas

    I want to see Olbermann literally punch Stewart in the face.

  • Nov. 3, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    and i want to literally punch u in the face cowardBOY...

    by jay2517

    plus, ur an Olbermann fan lol. NO WONDER ur a fucking idiot cocksuker...

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by lostboytexas

    i would let you have the first punch. then i would tear you apart and play with your aids-infested insides for hours you lowlife trolling cumstain

  • Nov. 4, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    LOL...right. im sure u would do JUST THAT cowardBOY...

    by jay2517

  • Nov. 5, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Herc just learned size doesn't matter

    by gurugurugaijin

    By the way, since you seem fond of aerial shots here's one for you. Courtesy of The New York Times.