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No Second Season For Syfy's
GALACTICA Prequel CAPRICA!!
I am – Hercules!!
Even worse, they’re yanking it from the schedule:
Please note the following change to Syfy's broadcast schedule:
The remaining first run episodes of Caprica - airing Tuesdays at 10/9c - will be removed from the schedule as of next Tuesday, November 2. These final five episodes of the season will be re-scheduled to air at a to be announced time in the first quarter of 2011, and will conclude the run of the series.
"We appreciate all the support that fans have shown for 'Caprica' and are very proud of the producers, cast, writers and the rest of the amazing team that has been committed to this fine series," said Mark Stern, Executive Vice President of Original Programming, Syfy and Co-Head of Content for Universal Cable Productions. "Unfortunately, despite its obvious quality, 'Caprica' has not been able to build the audience necessary to justify a second season."
A detailed schedule change with complete and updated listings information will be issued tomorrow morning (Thursday, October 28th).
The first season wrapped shooting some time ago, so don’t expect an inordinate amount of closure.
As previously reported, Syfy has ordered a new “Battlestar Galactica” pilot movie titled "Blood and Chrome" that will follow young ensign William Adama’s adventures during Cylon War I.
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I wanted to like it. But it bored me to tears. Hopefully the new pilot will be more fun.
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but at least that show got an ending caprica wont frakkin syfy can go suck a big cock!!!
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Not to be negative, but I saw this coming. The show is too expensive, and the ratings don't justify the cost. Sci-Fi is a niche genre, and very few shows on television that are Sci-Fi make it. Even the original Star Trek didn't last that long, and the new movie didn't kill the boxoffice overseas. Too bad.
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can't catch a break... He gets booted from BTTF Is in the worst sequel (The Fly 2) to one of the great horror movies ever (The Fly) Now this...
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"JUMP!"
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No big surprise here. Caprica was a risky venture that failed to get the ratings, so it was a no brainer for Syfy to cancel it and devote their money and attention to the new series - one that they SHOULD have done in the first place. The Cylon War series will have more of a science fiction feel to it and it will be more closely tied in with BSG.
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Final five? Man, is that or weird fucking coincidence or what?!
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With the new series. Not that I bothered watching Caprica as it was boring me. But a series on the Cylon war sounds great.
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Bloody typos.
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Because they did, they lost a lot of momentum with their programming. They tried to make it up by making this and SGU, a BSG/Atlantis hybrid that I fear will be next to go.<br /> <br /> It's sad because Sci Fi used to be strong. Now they are a shell of their former selves.
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Caprica was a weak followup to the parent series. <P> A shame that there was so much potential there that was squandered.
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The Adama/Husker spin off though.
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...any loose threads can be wrapped up by a drunk Husker telling a story about his past in Blood and Chrome.
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Hopefully it has a decent ending with some actual closure. Maybe then I'll but the DVDs.
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.....Sell Heroin to folks like John Travolta. The good kind - from the Herz mountains in Germany...
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Last night's SGU actually felt like an episode of Stargate. That's been happening a lot this season.
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I'm one of the few it seem who liked this. Hopefully all the fleshing out of Colonial history will serve this new show well. The new show should fare better, as the military sci-fi stuff is a proven commodity. An experimental show like Caprica will always be risky, and there were some stumbles, but I'm really glad a chance was taken on it. "Always it is the brave ones who die!" —Kor
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SyFy was dumb to move this to tuesdays. I hope the season finale works well as a series finale, and Blood & Chrome can do something to patch up any loose ends.
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it got the series pulled...
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It turns out Hurley and Ben brought them all there. They meet Jack Shephard who cries in front of them. The end.
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Replace Eric Stoltz with Michael J. Fox. It worked wonders last time it happened.
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Its only chance for success would've been to at LEAST come within striking distance of BSG's loftier moments (i.e., Seasons 1 & 2), and what was the chance of that? Slim to begin with, and now none.
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The show was starting to get somewhere, and if they hadnt shown it during the season against the main channels, they would have gotten decent numbers, looks like SGU may also suffer the same fate all because syfy are stupid.
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the show was actually starting to take off too. I am aggravated they are delaying the last episodes.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST
How many years after Caprica does the Cylon War start?
by Voice O. Reason
William Adama is in his early 20s when the war ended....it went on for 10 years...he was about 10 on "Caprica"...
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I think that's my second ass-related post today.
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It's a flawed concept, although it had its moments. I always watch it with a dose of skepticism. It needed a injection of Dean Stockwell's cylon lurking unseen in the conspiracy, pushing the storyline forward. He needed to be an Iago like character.
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Everyone who got on board, for this show, I told you that you would get screwed one way or the other. But, would you listen, to Uncle Jimmy??? Nooooo!!!<p> SyFy rooked the audience, with the last 2 1/2 seasons of BSG, they screwed you all on C(r)aprica and they'll screw you, on any subsequent BSG related property. If this experience doesn't teach you, to flip SyFy the bird, then you're just plain stupid.
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Seriously sci-fi. I already lost half my interest for blood and chrome over this. Not to mention the title blood and chrome sounds like they will go heads over heels into mindless action blowing shit up. If they dont at least pull an interesting season ender for Caprica it will shit all over any subsequent spin off.
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...replace Stolz with Michael J Fox. They could explain away his jitters by saying he's really cold or really nervous over the growing Cylon threat.
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It was actually starting to really become interesting.
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The new series can hopefully wrap up the loose threads of Caprica via flashbacks with the series regulars as guest stars.
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snoozer I am not surprised. I kept hoping the show would 'kick in' and take it to another level but it never did.
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are they gonna cancel fringe? i mean first dollhouse now caprica fringe is the only good scifi show left on t.v. if fox cancels it what then?
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or if they do it will be all in a row at 3am on a Tuesday and unannounced. <P> Gotta try and pimp those season 1.5 DVDs boys and girls.
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fap fap fap
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So hopefully there is at least a payoff to the main stuff, if ends with Cylons becoming self aware and beginning their rebellion that would be suffient methinks.
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Just let them jiggle for an hour in front of the camera.
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That'd pep things up a bit.
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quite milking the dead cow! Caprica is a weak show, and could another spinoff have a chance? NO. what are the people running SyFY thinking?
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Just cause explosions don't happen every week does not make Caprica shitty! Caprica is far more brutal and real than any other series since the Sopranos!!
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They make bad decisions on an ongoing basis, waving their dicks around like a major network. First they pissed off the loyal BSG fanbase by stretching out seasons over ridiculous time periods, then they kick Caprica fans in the crotch by withholding episodes for a cancelled show. Assholes!
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If Sci-Fi has money to waste, screw Blood and Chrome, reshoot the final hour of BSG. Even though seasons 3 & 4 had there weak moments, I submit that the show still had us all in its grasp until they actually get to REAL Earth and Starbuck is an Angel and they pilot all their ships into the Sun and the Prez finally dies. Rebuild some of the sets, hire some of the actors, and continue it where Starbuck punches in those last coordinates. I'm not saying I have any bright ideas, but ANYTHING would have been better than that last hour.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 8:43 p.m. CST
What, SyFy hasn't heard of wrapping things up with TV movies?
by MrMysteryGuest
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Snape killed Caprica!
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At least let the fucking season finish. They spend all their money on stupid made for tv movies like sharktopus, and they have a good show like Caprica that's just starting to hit it's stride and they want to yank it from the air for what? Some bullshit reality show or something? RIP Sci-fi Channel. Fuck you SyFy.
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This will kill the show.
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Voila! Instant hit.
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...Cylon Earth?
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...like MANSQUITO 2.
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Don't forget the Final 5 showed up during the 1st Cylon War. They could easily entice BSG viewers by introducing a story arc that involves them
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is because we need the money we're putting into Caprica to fund 10 more Mega Piranha sequels which will see the mutant Mega Piranhas take on all kinds of Mega animal mutations like Mega Buffaloes, Mega Antelopes and Mega Beavers. Plus we already got the MEGA SHOWDOWN of the year with Mega Piranha vs. Mega Shark vs. Sharktopus coming this December. Caprica is NOT MEGA! That's the bottom line. We know that MEGA shows are what the audience wants to along with the WWE, Ghost Hunters and Stargate: Universe. No one wants intelligent science fiction. That's why we switched our names to SyFy so we could differentiate ourselves from actual science fiction. Thank you."
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The show was boring from the first episode. Apart from Adama, Caprica and cylons the show had nothing to do with BSG. The characters on Caprica were boring, no space battles, and no mystery. I'm glad it got canceled to make way for a possible true spin off to BSG.
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Just didn't fucking get it and weren't paying attention for four seasons. Everything was explained and made sense. Deal with it.
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The payoffs were very much in line with everything that came before.
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But pulling the last five episodes is a giant fuck you to everyone who stuck with their programing. So they can clear more space for classics like Mansquito or Sharktopus... I wish I were making those up. Why Syfy doesn't give money to the huge number of unemployed sci-fi writers to create a few great franchises I'll never know.
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Once again, the programming power-that-be over at the SyFy Channel have decided to cancel a promising TV Series that had such potential. This is not really all that surprising, since the idiots in charge at the network as well as those who people in accounting & finance as well as programming all have thier heads up thier collective asses. I am guessing that the network will now be focusing on coming up with the 20th version SuckmyassGate..er uhh, I mean Stargate or more "Ghosthunter Academy" or WWE Wrestling or more shitty "Made For SyFy Original films"
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It would attract a lot more viewers.
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Nail hit firmly on head.
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will do Caprica 1980?
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Similar ratings to Caprica. Or will Caprica going away help SGU? I guess we'll see in the next few weeks.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST
By delaying Caprica till 2011, 1 season will air over 3 calendar
by CCon99
By canceling Caprica and delaying the "Final 5" episodes until 2011, SyFy will have managed to stretch one season over three calendar years. But fear not SciFi fans, I'm sure SyFy will just give us more Pro Wrestling featuring even more necrophilia storylines.
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Fuck!! Well, I liked it, and thought it was really going to start getting crazy. Last nights ep was great.
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Fine, go ahead and cancel it, but this business of not airing the remaining episodes until whenever is just pure bullshit. Just finish the damn thing and get it over with! Assholes.
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Head shot to that cocktease of a show.
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http://tinyurl.com/ksq7kc
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Also, apparently the Chubby Cylon chick is vying to get the coveted lead role in the new Wonder Woman series.
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Is I was expecting some type of Nod to Bob Dylan and Jimmy Hendrix.
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<P>I found the show to be an engaging sci-fi drama chronicling the social, political, religious and personal tragedies that would eventually lead to the Fall of a Civilization.</P> <P>Ah well. Perhaps SyFy will be amenable to some cable or direct to video movies to wrap up the show and provide a segue to Cylon War 1.</P>
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Now bring back the tensiony space robot battle show. That one worked.
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Yeah, the ending. So bad I haven't rewatched a single episode, and not a single minute of the spinoff. After the brilliant and amazing first two seasons, then came floaty Apollo. That was the shark-jumping moment for me. I had been eagerly looking forward to the repeatedly delayed resurrection ship mother-of-all-space-battles episode. When it finally aired, to my dismay they backgrounded the battle in favor of an angsty, floaty Apollo. And that came out of nowhere. They had to do flashbacks to cobble up a reason for the high flying hotshot Viper pilot's sudden navel gazing. I realized that they were unprepared for the series success, and had no idea where to go with the thing. And they were starting to pull stuff out of their butts. The rest of the series went downhill from there (including the emasculating of former Cylon asskicker Bill Adama), but still it had a few scattered moments of greatness. Then came the ending. So many missed opportunities to tie things from the series in gut-punching ways. Like when Leoben whispered "Adama is a Cylon," or when Lee was thought killed by the explosion but turned up okay. And a big fat easy-out deus ex machina is all they came up with. Like I said, after that, I haven't had a desire to rewatch a single ep, not even an episode from the first seasons when I eagerly looked forward to each one. It's sad that SyFy is planning to pour more money into a BSG series. Save your money SyFy. It's over. It's dead already. The only possible way to save the franchise is a complete rewrite and reshoot of the BSG finale episodes. And we know that ain't gonna happen.
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Rot in abandoned-sci-fi-kid Hell.
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YESTERDAY on DVD through Netflix, fuck my life. I liked the pilot, and had to wait forever to see the rest because I never watch TV, I only watch DVD's. This really blows, the show was building to greatness. I enjoyed it, was really looking forward to seeing the rest of it...
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You had captain and/or commander and crew, dangerous villains, adventures and space battles.<p>Clearly, it was self-destructive to jettison all the things that made BSG entertaining.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST
Caprica will not be missed.
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
There were a lot of good idea and many good performances, but in this case the whole was less than the sum of its parts. Caprica will not be missed.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST
*ideas
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
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I fet it that they don't want to spend money on a second season, but come on - don't pull the show from the schedule after it just came back! That's something I expect from a major network, not SyFy.
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A great news day all around. I'm delighted.
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I swear,it's like a gods-damned *superpower* with me: "Space: Above and Beyond," "Firefly," "Wonderfalls," "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles," "The Unit," "New Amsterdam," and far too many others to recite without lapsing into Tourettes-like outbursts.... frack.
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Lightning strikes twice. Good TV shows don't. Good riddance.
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Moore and Ick's BSG cosmos was all about thinking people will watch names being read out of the phone book or watching paint dry because they produced it. The lore they created for the Cylons sucks in Caprica meaning that in BSG it was all crap too. And you know they were desperate when started to puy girls in tight outfits fighting one another. Was that at all exciting for anyone? They don't even look like they know how to fight. Big deal!
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I can't understand how anyone can defend a single episode of BSG, post-New Caprica. I've never seen such a drop in quality in a show, and the ending was just a joke, a huge "fuck you" to everyone complaining about the decline.<p>(And to those posters who say "you didn't understand the ending, they wrapped it up perfectly", I reply: "I understood it, I just thought it was unforgivably shit.") <p>I watched the first few eps of Caprica - badly plotted, over-acted, it didn't deserve another series. BSG is dead, SyFy, give it up.
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you think watching magda apanowicz and alessandra torresani fight is boring? those two hot young women? you're either crazy or gay!!!
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SGU been running 1.3-1.4 They had one episode under 1 mill, but they were up against baseball playoffs. Caprica rarely got a million viewers, the trend been 0.7-0.9. Unless Sci Fi has something better for tuesdays at 9 .. SGU, thankfully, isnt going anywhere.
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Caprica had some interesting ideas about human nature and how it would deal with the creation and evolution of real Artificial Intelligence in a society not ready to deal with the implication of it. I really don't think there was enough there to make multiple seasons worth of material. I think much of the plots in Caprica were simply filler and drawn out too much. The whole Tauron Mafia thing just didn't seem in any way connected to the creation of the Cylons. It would have made a much better mini-series that may have been a tie-in to the new series. To me Caprica was trying to be more than it actually was.
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can go fuck themselves the show was intricately plotted and well acted well written and directed
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cute little ass. And those still-baby-fattened cheeks. I just want to stuff those cheeks with my meat, then bend her over a couch and do her like a cylon.
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Yeah, she's a little exhibitionist, and I love her for it.
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Bad concept, poorly written, poorly executed, and badly cast. Back to the Sci-Fi drawing Board
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In this day and age, Babylon 5 wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds. Last nights Caprica was cool, and I'm extremely disappointed.
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..."I couldn't believe some emo teen was the beginning of the Cylon nation." Heh. That about sums the series up. It was also completely ridiculous, boring, badly written and horribly cast (with apologies to the great Polly Walker and Paula Malcolmson, who were utterly wasted on this show). The surprise is not that it was canceled, but that it lasted so long.
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Caprica is like the Phantom Menace of the BSG universe.<br /><br />It was unnecessary, doesn't tie in with established continuity, has a hard on for CGI, and seemed to really think that a SciFi audience would be interested in a show about trade relations/industrial espionage.<br /><br />Still, Ron Moore can sleep easy tonight, knowing he won't have to try to make sense of his fucked up series continuity.
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1. For the love of the Gods, don't shoot it in front of a greenscreen and add in "digital backgrounds". Now that Caprica is dead, don't be afraid to spend a bit to make Cylon War I great, just like the war scenes in BSG.<P>2. Focus on Husker Adama and mostly new periphery characters that he interacts with or encounters. Don't shoe-horn in the Final Five. It will take the focus away from the war, and will muddle things up.<P>3. Don't go nuts with the spiritual/religious/prophecy stuff. BSG did it well, while Caprica didn't. Blood & Chrome should be more focused on a traditional wartime setting. I mean, this is basically World War II in space.<P>4. Each season should be about 12-14 episodes long, more like BSG season one. Why you ask? Simple... because it will help focus the story, keep things more intense, and will not only allow the special effects budget to be used more wisely, but it will keep the fans happy by not dicking them around with drawn out half seasons that really kill some of the narrative momentum. And just to give a few examples: Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Band of Brothers, and The Pacific - are all recent but great shows that had shorter yet more focused seasons (10-13 episodes per season).
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Maybe part of that was SyFy's stupid policy of splitting seasons? (And now they split it again)
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If you guys can work in the entire cast from Farscape, then great, but if not, come up with some new characters and a new "premise" and let it rip.<P>Hell, a totally different focus could be cool. I bet people would watch a show that focused on the Peacekeepers. It could be about their war with the Scarran Imperium.
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The should use the money from their crappy CGI saturday night movie money to fund good quality shows like Caprica. First they kill I-Man, then Farscape, now Caprica. Fuck you for real syfy. I will refuse to watch anything else on your rotten shitty channel EVER - I don't care if it's other BSG prequels or Stargate shit - I'm done. You've fucked me over for the last time syfy channel! Think I'll go read some Phillip K. Dick instead. Again - Fuck. You. Syfy.
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It just says you're into child molestation.
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I haven't seen any of season 1.5 yet but the first eps were excellent.<p> Caprica was never as sure-footed as BSG but it had great characters, writing and a real sense of mystery about how the origins of the Cylons and the 12 Colonies.<p> Frak SyFy in the frakking ass.
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Which means they dont need as much of an audience to make money. If you drop CG you either make it look cheap for the same money or it'll costs a ton to make. Which makes cancellation of more good shows even more likely. Fuck I hate this simplistic darwinistic nightmare.
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I can't see how ANY show can do well on a "network" that orders a 20 episode season and then shows it in 3 parts over 2 years. How the fuck did they expect it to find an audience? <P><P>I have little hope for Blood and Chrome, as it seems an idea born out of milking the brand name rather than because it has a story to tell. The best hope for it would be to NOT focus on Adama. New characters, Cylon War I, they could even work in the final 5 at some point, just please no more smoking into middle distance for the illusion of drama, cuz I've had enough of that with Caprica.
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<P>"I couldn't believe some emo teen was the beginning of the Cylon nation."</P> <P>Heh! Well, it wasn't just that. She mirrored an entire group's (the STO/Monotheists) disgust with an increasingly corrupt society. And, apparently, Whomever the Messengers are working for felt the same way, as Zoe also had a Messenger of her own, who was urging her on. Although I still inwardly groan at Real-Zoe inventing an AI copy of herself, at such a real age, shades of Wesley Crusher! But perhaps her Messenger provided technical advice in addition to moral support?</P> <P>"Caprica would have been a better mini-series" keltic1701, above, is probably right.
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Why else would they bring it back early and put it up against Network heavy hitters(where it wouldn't stand a chance)instead of it's traditional timeslot, where it had a built in audience? This gave them the perfect excuse to kill it and blame the ratings.
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as I was trying to say above, the whole thing strikes me as a Greek Tragedy.
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with anyone saying the show was horribly cast. The only characters I really didn't like were James Marsters and Magda Apanowicz. As far as Polly Walker being wasted on this show, I don't agree with that either, but how many times are we going to see something on the level of Atia of the Julii? No, this wasn't Rome, but it was starting to get good, and would have been amazing had it been allowed to develop.
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Can't say I'm suprised. Show moved waaaay too slow. Still woulda liked to have seen how it unfolded.
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I agree with the early eps dragging, they could have paced it better.
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As interesting as the show was in certain aspects, I simply could not get past the whole idea that the Cylons became sentient and rebelled against mankind because of a spoiled teenage brat.
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Why aren't I interested in the minutiae of Tauron culture and the cult of the one god? Because it's all obliterated in a Nuclear Firestorm in 50 years! So who cares!?!
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Forgot to add, Blood & Chrome sounds like they are maybe trying to jump on the Spartacus bandwagon.<br> However when will they learn prequels rarely work because the audience knows the story already? The Cylons rebel, there's a war, it ends with a peace treaty and the Cylons feck off to get all human-like and turn into religious nutters.<br> A story with a known ending is hardly going to entice viewers to stick with a show when there's so many other good shows competing.<br> Why not do a NEW story which isn't a prequel but set in the BSG universe like SGU is doing?
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They can work, if done right. The problem is they are not done right. <br><br>Remember, classical myths often start "in media res" in the middle, then turn back before reaching the end. Prequels work best when done before the final end is done. <br><br>This is why I think "In the Beginning" for Babylon 5 is one of the best "prequels." It was done before the series was finished and so had some freedom.
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It was the one and only decent Babylon 5 movie and it worked well as a prequel.
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But they didn't jettison all the things that made BSG great, if anything they focused on them more, morally ambigious characters, existential themes, experimental film/editing techniques, an alternate human culture in a scifi yet relatable contemporay setting, the nature of life/reality. The only difference was it wasn't action focused, but then half the time neither was BSG.
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I knew the ratings were bad, but I think the show was was ok. It was a little slow paced, but there was huge potential in those apotheosis ideas and putting zoey in a more human/sexy robobabe body... Imagine if graystone finally figured out zoeys's program and was able to really bring her back, but in some hot chick's body.could have been cool Would have been cool.
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I don't get it. They buried BSG and truncated its last season. The intricate story became disjointed, characters changed personalities, and the ultimate wrap up was far less than it could have been if the motivations of the characters still made any sense. Sci-Fi killed BSG, yet they fall all over themselves trying to create new properties in that universe. Not sure why I would expect anything less seeing as their parent is the worst run network around (NBC).
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because his work elsewhere is so very,very good, I don't think the music really helped on Caprica. It was essentially the same sort of stuff as on BSG, but where it heightened the drama and action elements there, on Caprica it jarred with the slower narrative. <P><P>As problematic as Caprica was, its a shame its gone. Ambitious sci-fi is rare to come by on TV nowadays, if given the right timeslot and network support I'm sure it could've come good in the end. I guess we'll never know...
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Oct. 28, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST
FUCK what if they cancel SGU next???? fuck fuck
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
the numbers arent good, i dont know what they planning
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Oct. 28, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST
The more drama there is in sci-fi the less views
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
and thats what happened here. syfy will go back to making "sanctuary"-like shows.
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'Cuz I was wundring where the spaceshps was 'cuz it ain't syience fyction without no spceshps 'cuz reeligyon don't have nuthing to do with syense fictyon and BSG fynal suxed my ass 'cuz it was religyos and stuff and I didn't get it and so cool no mor Caprica bring on shooting Adama wooooo more special effex woooo!
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I actually didn't watch Caprica. I just hate smug haters...oh wait, which makes me one! Oh, the hypocrisy.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST
pacrone ---- thats the same criticism people give SGU
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
isnt it odd that syfy's two shows recieve the same criticism for having characters not likeable?
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...Caprica was dull and unfocussed. It was more of a collection of ideas than a story. What if the Taurons were a secretive space mafia who visually reference the Godfather? What if two hardboiled detectives straight out of Law and Order are the only ones investigating a major terrorist attack? What if the cylons were invented for profit? Etc. Etc. There's nothing wrong with that, but all the elements together never added up to anything that felt like an urgent, coherently told story. Of any sort. Maybe it's one of the problems with continuing multi season series. The writers have to leave themselves enough room for subsequent seasons. However, in this case, I just don't think they knew where it was going and it was getting a little silly. I think that the execs at SyFy shut it down as soon as they saw the Church of the One on Gemenon. It was just too impossible to take it seriously. Really? Ren-Fairers in space? It was also a problem that prequels frequently have. You know what's coming. The writers are trapped by that. The viewers are waiting to see the story they know is coming develop and the writers know that they can't do anything with the characters or the story that could possibly invalidate the future story. In the case of Caprica, this was a particularly bad problem. In BSG--um, spoiler alert?--we find out that the cylons are eventually led by The Final Five who create the humanoid cylons. In other words, nothing that happens in Caprica leads to anything more consequential than the creation of the centurions. By the first few episodes, this has already happened. End of story. I was hoping that BSG: The Plan was actually meant to tie Caprica to BSG, that we would find out that, somehow elements of the Graystone story actually did survive into BSG. Maybe Zoe as a ghost in the machine? But, no BSG: The Plan actually revealed no plan. Then I started hoping that we would find out that the In-Head Six and In Head Baltar or the reappearance of Starbuck were all somehow tied to the Graystone tech. Then, I hoped that, when the Church of the One was finally revealed, we would find out or, at least, get an allusion to the culture of Kobol and the One God Worshipping Cylons who left it for Earth. After all, BSG was pretty careful, especially in the first season or two, to ground everything in the Book of Pythia and the culture of Kobol. Nope. Then I realized that it was all going to just be inconsequential meandering. That there would be corporate intrigue for another season or two. That any tie between the cylons and the church of the one would only happen after threat of cancellation, that Daniel and his wife would keep fighting, that they'd both keep drinking, that the camera would linger over their drinks knowingly; that the STO terrorists would continue to be incompetent, but dress very well. That the detectives would always be right on the edge of blowing that case wide open. That Joseph Adama would never get around to the civil rights cases we're told that he was famous for and instead would be a hack mafia lawyer. Anyway, this is more time than Caprica ended up deserving. Should it have been a mini-series? Probably. Should it have been plotted in advance? Definitely. Should the writer's have known in advance how it tied to the larger story? Certainly. Should we have gotten some hints on this already? Surely. Did it deserve to be cancelled? Sadly.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 6:55 a.m. CST
Most annoying thing is all the unanswered questions....
by Voice O. Reason
Would anyone ever learn who really blew up the train, or keep blaming Zoe? How would the Cylons go from being non-thinking military robots to sentient slaves (the first half of the season seemed to answer this, then they back-tracked had took Zoe out of the Cylon and had Daniel abandon the project in favor of his holo-band fantasy)? How does monotheism go from being a fringe, terrorist-funding religion to the state religion of the Cylons? How does Joseph go from mob lawyer to civil liberties legend? Was V-world outlawed with computer networks during the first Cylon War, or did something else happen to it (i.e. Cylons turning it into a weapon to attack the colonies during their rebellion)?
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Caprica couldve been better if it told us something we didnt know or added a missing piece of the puzzle.
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Stargate Whatever continues, and Siffie engineers the demise of it's own costly series<p> It was all planned, they didnt like the initial ratings, and the put it on hold rather than give it a chance. Effectively killing it off.<p> And by the way, Carpica 1st season > Supernatural 1st season. Go figure.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST
but SGU by far is better than Caprica or even Blood & chrome
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
its philosophical and hypnotic. And its characters are psychological villains.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST
Stargate Universe has aliens and space battles
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
everytime theres an alien or space battle episode, the rating go up. but for caprica it was trapped.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST
so SGU is dynamic because its n adventure show
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
scifi without adventure, doesnt work too well as evidenced by this cancellation. soon SGU will give us less soap opera drama (that i enjoy) and more space battles (that i enjoy a well)
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Caprica earned its cancellation. The minute I heard of another spin off focused on a war I knew that this was about to get canned. There's no action in it at all--and that was something that broke up the pretentious angst of the last BSG show. Oh and it had good characters I actually liked, and it had a good pace. You knew that SyFy needed to cancel it when they featured those commercials with Clarice calling the Cylons to war "The Children of Humanity will RISE and CRUSH the ones who first gave them life!" Where the FUCK was that line in the episode? And the big explosion? Just a demonstration of a terrorist plot, God forbid it be an actual action climax or the start of anything actually HAPPENING. I'll miss Polly Walker, but her and the two dead girls were the only ones who had my interest (so naturally we see next to nothing of the dead girls now). Graystone and Adama were painful wastes of space.
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SyFy is a complete clusterfuck of a channel. Stop delaying your damn shows! Once SGU is done I'll be able to ignore that crappy channel.<br><br>Oh yeah. Caprica was a bad idea from the start.
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It wouldn't have changed it's name to something less sci-fi, they wouldn't have made us wait nearly 3 years to see one fucking season of a TV show, they wouldn't return that show to the air only to yank it almost straight away again, they wouldn't make us buy the dvds to see the final 5, heh, episodes, overall they suck, sadly Caprica often did too.
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They are too cheap to finance two BSG shows. It will cut into the financing of the Mansquito prequels.
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Mostly because I NEVER liked the idea that human built the Cylons, etc. Sorry, Terminator and a score of other movies did the 'we made the machines that killed us' crap. The ORIGINAL series concept was that humans ended up in a war with a reptilian race who built cylons for soldiers, but over time - the species died out and the machines just NEVER stopped. They were berserkers (Read Fred Saberhagen) who kept their original programming - win the war. No reasoning, no compromise. After all, the original BSG was Exodus / The Ten Commandments in space. So, I guess I just couldn't get into the new mythology.
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And the march toward complete abandonment of science-fiction and fantasy by SYFY continues unabated! I'd love to watch the sci-fi/fantasy fans' heads spin as SYFY replaces CAPRICA w/reruns of DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES and LAW AND ORDER (that was the expressed plan of the current head of the network). He specifically even went so far as to categorize the current viewership as basement-dwellers living with their parents. Do the sci-fi/fantasy fans see the writing on the wall yet? In a good ten years, there won't be any such THING as sci-fi or fantasy on television, let alone any other medium. Why? THERE ARE TOO FEW OF YOU TO BE OF ANY FURTHER CONSEQUENCE! HAHAHAHA! Enjoy your dwindling influence on Hollywood! You didn't pick up the ball for SERENITY, KICK ASS, SCOTT PILGRIM or any movie like that in the last five years so now you guys are paying the price. Enjoy EUREKA and HAVEN while they last (not much longer!)
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All the characters were either annoying ie Zoe, shady ie Adama or full of themselves ie Graystone. I thought it was flawed as soon as they went into cyberspace and made it look like the 1940s. Too many high ideals with no firm ground to stand on. It also doesn't help that Syfy has to cut cost to do their stupid movies as well as Smackdown not even close to getting the ratings that were promised. I think they have tapped the Stargate/BSG pool to often and its time for something new. Too bad, BBC cut them off from Doctor Who that show is tight and getting massive ratings for a network like BBC America. BBC America has Doctor Who, TNG and Torchwood as well as others. Its the better Syfy channel.
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I'm sure Jane is sitting at her desk all depressed over the notion that hardly anyone wanted to watch a series filled with characters constantly ready to eat a gun.
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I like Rush, Young and Lt. Chesty McBoobs.<p>Space battles 4eva!!
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Mmmmm... Yummy.
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And no I'm not talking about Syfy. I'm talking about all of YOU stupid fucks who don't know a good show when you see one. Have fun watching "Ow, My Balls" and Syfy's latest sequel in the Chupacabra series of made for tv refuse. Fucking mouthbreathing assholes.
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the thing several times HURTS A FUCKING SHOW? just when you start building a fanbase.....6 MONTH FUCKING HIATUS! It's so fucking retarded!
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Oct. 28, 2010, 8:55 a.m. CST
The producers were just saying that things were gonna heat up..
by RETURN_of_FETT
But honestly the first season was shot like 2 fucking years ago! Let's just hope that we get some sort of tie in when Blood & Chrome starts.
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Caprica was the wrong direction to take, and most people were aware of that when it was announced. Irregardless of quality.
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Plus, the idea of the show never seemed very interesting. Who the hell cares how they got to the point where all that was left of Humanity was a rag-tag fleet of survivors looking for a home? It was a bad idea from the get-go.
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lol for the Idiocracy reference. it's true though, realty tv in the usa sucks iq points out of the population nightly.
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exactly. i love her firefly work. she just went a little too dark with the whole cast being unlikable trauma cases in caprica.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST
SGU will disappear if they don't speed things along...
by Snake Foreskin
and give the audience a compelling reason to tune in week after week. So far it is repetitive and seems to be going nowhere. It's like it's on a treadmill set to Slow speed.<p> Let's get some real action, some real interesting plots and a lot less of Rush being nothing but a crazed douche. I would quit the show if I were Robert Carlyle. He is being given nothing to do, week after week. At least the Lieutenant gets to frak the chicks on the show. And if you've seen the chicks, that's not saying much.<p> Anyway, this isn't an SGU TB, so I'll shut up.
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Prequals are generally bad enough. No one wanted to watch all this puttering around. It was a snooze. Way to take the excitement and intrigue of the reboot and turn it into friggin' CSPAN.
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As someone who LOVED BSG, I HATED Caprica with a passion. I felt it lacked something the first series had. Completely. I am not sad to see it go. And all of you morons getting all cunt-hurt over the BSG ending. Get over it. I felt like it was a slow winding goodbye to these characters we grew to care about. And to me it was perfect. Hey, how about we all go buy subway subs so we can try and keep another shitty tv show on the air like Chuck?! Whose with me!
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This is truly a crap show and a early death is merciful. Now a show about a family of Daleks I would watch.
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some Tamara-Zoe one on one action in AI world. Maybe some Lacey -Clarice action if you like the MILF-teen stuff.
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It was a great show except for polly walker. She killed it. And now Stoltz has to deal with another failure. So unfair!
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Ron Moore just needs to go away
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You cannot base a series on her crappy writing. It will be stodgy and ring false. I don't know why she has a half-decent reputation. I worry what she will do to "Torchwood".
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I have been Tivoing the show and have them all taped. I have not seen one episode yet. I guess I can clear the space on the tivo now :)
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Oct. 28, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST
Caprica's problem = not enough Alessandra Torresani
by johnnyangelheart
The show should have been all about her becoming the first Cylon. Instead it got bogged down in religion, desperate housewives, the mafia and corporate malfeasance.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST
Dr. Rush is fucking compelling to watch
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
He makes the show ten times better. Sometimes you see him as a dick but other times hes like the genius you like.
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So Baltar and the Six were angels, Cara, was whatever. Why not have the cylons, having waited 150,000 years and undergone massive changes, come back to the new new earth, and attempt to eradicate humans. "God" and the "Angels" return, and we discover that some of the original decendants of the "Eve" have some latent knowledge. Go from there?
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Oct. 28, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST
doesnt the new B&C show have the same problem?
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
its a prequel we already know what will happen
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"It happened. Who cares how?"
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Like wrestling...or Ghost Hunters...which is about as real as wrestling...
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Never even got past the pilot.<p> It's so fucking obvious. Enjoy your spoon fed scifi shit, dickheads.
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Oh, wait...another BSG prequel series instead. Great.
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I might give a shit about Capirca. Not enough closure in the finale. The Ron Moore BSG universe is closed for business.
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maybe it's because we have our head up our ass and have decided to split one season over 3 calendar years, not giving any chance for momentum to build or to gain an audience. Oh, and let's hype wrestling more than one of the most creative shows we've ever had. My gods, Slyfy is worse than Fox. What the hell are these people thinking?
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if this is any indication.
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...is well known in the business for despising SF...there have been comments at pitch meetings for years like. ""Well, this is a bit too sci-fi for us." A lot of good writers don't even bother to pitch there anymore. The people in charge wanted to cancel the original BSG for years but couldn't because the ratings didn't justify it. They'd far rather put the money towards another 3 or 4 "Ghost hunters" type series
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they bought smackdown trying to get the macho redneck crowd but i guess they're so stupid they can't find the show because it's posting its worst ratings in history
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I have to say I'm in complete agreement with photothatdodo. The narrative was very unfocused and even when they did stumble on a really interesting idea - they'd explore it most uninteresting way possible. The two 'Law & Order' detectives is a perfect example. That should have been a really compelling, exciting storyline - but they just had two characters that popped up from time to time; and they didn't even seem to do basic police work when they did. Right now we live in very interesting times in this country, you can pick up a newspaper (or read the online version) and find stories that you could use as the basis for storylines. It would have made Caprica seem more relevant and compelling...but it never was, ever. Now that I really think about it - "Caprica" was actually incredibly lame. Pity, there was a really interesting story to be told there, about the fall of their civilization - but "Caprica" was not it.
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Unrelated to "Caprica". Is anyone secretly embarrassed that they watch a network that features pro wrestling, Ghost Hunters, Destination Truth...not to mention the laughably bad tv movies. The entire channel may be too crappy to continue watching...
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i hate caprica and i still watch it every week just because its nice to watch a scifi show with robots and shit, but its still CRAP. actually in writing this i realise i only watch in the hope of seeing the nun get it on with the dead chick's mum.
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to not *get* Caprica I'd like to say: shut up. Caprica was best summed up by its opening titles, overblown, pretentious, meandering but looks pretty. I haven't seen s1.5 yet, (Sky UK haven't got round to showing it, now I guess they might not bother) but the first half season had about an hour of good stuff in it. <P><P>Things I hated the most: the future-yet-kinda-50s setting (interplanetary travel and the press still use flash bulb cameras? Really!?), the Zoe in the cylon body scenes, the "my daughter was a terrorist" scene, that annoying scientist kid that thankfully got killed, everything in the V world and the Amanda Greystone character. <P><P>Some bits were good, the cast was great when they gave them good stuff to do, the corporate espionage and the 'birth' of the cylons was interesting, as was the gay gangster. But overall it was a confused mess and I'm not exactly heartbroken its been canned
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Very well summed up. My sentiments exactly. A shame... The series had loads of potential, but squandered it quite early into its run.
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why they chose The Event over SGU is beyond me.
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It doesn't even hold a candle to Caprica. Is there even one redeemable character on the show? Rush is an insane sociopath. Young is a fascist. Matt is a man-whore. Chloe is a wishy washy and shallow dingbat. Eli is an annoyingly lame, obese, crybaby douche. Greer is half-cocked, unthinking jarhead. Camile is a two-faced bitch. Tamara is a non-entity. Who gives a fuck about these assholes?
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SyFy completely fucking up the schedule of the show, and therefore losing viewers left and right because we have no idea when the rest will even broadcast, would it? Nah... couldn't be.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
I could say the same about BSG & LOST characters
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
what makes them so special? hobocode. SGU is kicking it to high gear every episode some subtle some not, more faster than LOST and less comic-bookish than BSG.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST
Dr. Rush is most interesting character on TV right now
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
the guy is already a legend! i cant wait to see what he will do next.
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Just wait for the full series DVD. Just wanted to hopefully prevent a screw job on my fellow gene fans.
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That's for you Dioxholster - PAID by the Stargate peeps to post positive lies about SGU and rag on any BSG related show. What an idiot.
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I swear I posted that Caprica was going to be replaced with "America's Sexiest Cosplayers."
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Oct. 28, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST
Since they have a lot of time until the finale episodes air...
by Rebel Scumb
If they air at all, I think the best thing they could do to be responsible to fans who did follow and enjoy the show, is go in to those remaining episodes and edit out anything that set up new story threads or mysteries and so the final 5 episodes feel as conclusive as possible, Maybe syfy will even let them go in and shoot a few insert scenes to just to provide a bit of closure. But of course that would be contrary to their normal stupidity.
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Oct. 28, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST
fuck you guys Caprica is 10x better than BSG
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
but SGU is a million billion googlian mcgillian times better than Caprica.
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Don't they ever watch what they air and take some responsibility to their viewers? Seriously, something as well composed and presented as Caprica, was never going to appeal to every viewer that watched BSG since a large percentage of those original viewers are fast-food TV types who only watch for the action and not for anything too cerebral! Caprica gave great insight into the initiation of all that came to be in BSG, this stuff will fly over their head every single time but it was great viewing to the rest of us who have working braincells, patience and understanding. For crissakes at least give the show a chance of some closure before yanking it off the air, a movie even or a mini series but don't just turn the lights off and expect us to fork out bucks for DVD's and Blu Rays for an unfinished presentation! These network studio execs are dumb!
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Even for those who didn't like this show, no ones asking you to watch if it isn't your cup of tea. But wouldn't rather live in a world where there is at least one science fiction show on american tv that is at least TRYING to do something different? We were all spoiled in the 1990s with so many scifi shows airing at once, and many of them among the best ever produced: TNG, DS9, B5, Farscape, SG1. And then in the early 2000s, we had Firefly (albiet briefly), BSG, SGA, Doctor Who. And I'm not even counting all the subpar stuff like Voyager, Enterprize, andromeda, earth final confict, etc. Now, if SGU gets cancelled, there will be literally no science fiction shows airing other than Dr. Who, and it does only a dozen or so episodes a year.
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I enjoyed it, but was ultimately left feeling ambivalent. The story has already been told. The BSG remake was mostly really great with some hiccups and an awkward ending that I half accepted as cool, half rolled my eyes at. But as whole? It was a great series. Now it's over. Done. Let it go.
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no weird shit going on
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cbs cancelled that turgid piece of shit known as medium
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That always seems to do the trick.
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and then asking it to do tricks. If they truly wanted the show to build an audience they wouldn't have dragged the first season out so long. Here's to half a season of "Blood and Chrome."
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Thanks for the final "Eff you!" to the fans by pulling the last five shows!
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Ghost Hunters series.<p>
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Stargate shit stays on while Caprica gets jettisoned. Just bring more and more stupid sci fi shit with ships with captains and viewscreens and dumbass politics with crap CGI and the fanboy pissers will eat it up over something that actually makes you think like Caprica. Or better yet, watch real sci fi like Smackdown.
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sci-fi/fantasy is pretty much totlly doomed, because audiences have outgrown imagination. You heard me. They have outgrown imagination. We're talking in the US, of course.
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I think we can call Fringe a Scifi show, but I'd be hesitant about admitting V into the fold, because it's so fucking bad and seems to run from any sort of actual SciFi trappings.<br /><br />There's Stargate Universe, and Doctor Who. And I suppose we can include The Event, even if it also seems to run from the trappings of SciFi.<br /><br />I think superheros should be their own little genre, so I don't count The Cape, or No Ordinary Family.<br /><br />It doesn't leave much, does it?
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Fucking amazingly good point. Five...?!
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Er, thats about it. Lots of fantasy stuff but no sci-fi. I wouldn't classify Superhero stuff as sci-fi either, as they seem obsessed with setting these "superheroes" in an otherwise identical world to our own. <P><P>I've never seen it but I guess A town called Eureka is sci-fi. Possibly? Looks shit anyway
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Oct. 29, 2010, 7:21 a.m. CST
SGU is the only game in town, support sci-fi and watch it!
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
or else continue with Glee Universe, i hear the next episode will having them singing something iconic.
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...would be a role in CHROME & BLOOD as the Daniel skinjob hated by John Cavil but beloved by Final Fiver Ellen Tigh.
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MNG insight is right.
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When you say "the BSG finale sucked," you mean "everything post-New Caprica sucked."
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SGA and SGU side by side?
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When it first started I thought it was pretty dirivative and slow but now I'm starting to get interested. I realize the blatant ripp off of BSG stuff like the shaky cam and the fact that Rush is talking to things that might be real or not. But ti's started to get interesting as to what is the Destiny? Is that the AI of the ship that Rush is talking to. There needs to be more fleshing out but they can do it.
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Oct. 29, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST
I just watched a Cylon murder a room full of gangsters...
by Billyeveryteen
Should've been episode 2.
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I always thought it was a little too coincidental that the one Cylon model we never saw was named Daniel and the creator of the Cyclons was named Daniel. That would be a great idea is to have Stoltz as the Cylon Daniel
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if they could get something ratings heavy and cheap as shit like Sunset beach, but replace it with a obligatory two-minute evil robot appearance each episode instead of a evil voodoo pearl necklace that possesses folk, then they would. <p>Caprica was at least NOT that show/
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do people find it hard to accept futuristic concepts? dont they realize that we already live in a futuristic world if you look at it from HG Wells point of view? or are they just dumb?
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Come ON! It's idiotic. Fucking stones that make you enter some stranger's body so you can have lesbian sex with your girlfriend? How do the people who own these bodies feel about being being violated? SGU could give two shits as long as they have some lame-ass plot device to create gag-inducing filler episodes.
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I watched the first episode. It was a BSG clone. Egocentric genius suffering lack of morality? Check. Handheld camerawork to inject "tension"? Check. Forbidden relationship between two military officers? Check. Political subplot? Check. Rag tag group of people seperated from everything they know? Also check. <P><P>Then they got onto the magic stones and I decided it really wasn't for me, even if they had fooled me initially by making it look better than the usual shitty Stargate fare. <p><p>Oh yeah and as for the podgy geek everyman character, what a fucking joke. From TBs it seems I aint missing much
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I wouldnt call it a "coincidence". Daniel was a cylon. Thats why two episodes earlier both Daniel and Zoe drew the same Cylon model. It wasn't that he stole it, Its the exact same original model Cylon that BSG crew found remnants of on the real Earth that was annihilated.<p> Right?<p> P.S. : Its downright laughable people talkin' smack about the production design. Greystone industries building , their house , that crazy bank vault floor , New Cap city's design, The battlestar-ish arena in V world.... I could go on and on. Sucks to be you if all you see is "men in hats." The production on Caprica was outstanding.
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Oct. 29, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST
theGoldbergV --- actually you are missing alot
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
sure its natural progression tendency does make it appear slow paced. but you have missed stuff dude. The magical stones? its always cool to have super advanced tech that we cant make sense of. and ever since the days of sg-1 i was fond of these things, they remain elusive. and very handy in recent episodes when they get a group of doctors or experts through it. youve missed aliens, gate factory, psychological games, major gruesome death character episode, T-bag, destiny under command by Rush, ancients or ship AI, and much more. dont need to spoil it all.
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"Is there even one redeemable character on the show? Rush is an insane sociopath. Young is a fascist. Matt is a man-whore. Chloe is a wishy washy and shallow dingbat. Eli is an annoyingly lame, obese, crybaby douche. Greer is half-cocked, unthinking jarhead. Camile is a two-faced bitch. Tamara is a non-entity. Who gives a fuck about these assholes?" You make the show sound great. All those pieces of shit interacting on a ship, it's good. You should never give a fuck about any TV show character. They aren't your penpals. Whose redeemable? Faggot. You don't know how to watch shit television.
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... and its pathetic final "It's the Characters, Stupid" season. <p>Ron Moore's ego grew like a blood-engorged tick and sucked the logic out of what was at one point the best show on television. As interesting as Caprica was getting, it could never escape from the poisoned well from which it sprung. <p>I hope Ron Moore is sitting on a toilet right now, red-faced and constipated as all get out, straining his bowels to no avail, realizing that the giant turd he already jettisoned from his wine-soaked colon was BSG, Season 5. <p>Eff that bearded man-bitch.
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Oct. 29, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST
what the fuck was wrong with BSG finale?
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
it ended the way it shouldve ended. Im not a fan of the series, but the finale was alright. I like those endings, they contrast well with all the mishmash of past episodes.
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I think people are just pissed off because the Cylon God turned out to be real, Baltar really was an instrument of said God and Head Six really was a Messenger of God (or an Angel, if you will), just like she said she was.
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Cheap shots at Eric show lazy thinking. He made that character more interesting than it was written. I hope his work here gets him more good roles. He proved to me that he has some serious acting chops.
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two juggernauts doing sci-fi tv. btw, thank you Carlyle for choosing stargate, that mustve been a tough decision.
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But it's the one the apologists keep trotting out.<br /><br />It had to do with writing and the plotting making NO FUCKING SENSE.<br /><br />From abandoning all their tech, to Starbucks disappearance with no explanation, to the destruction of the fleet... and on and on and on. It's been gone over too many times. But no, you just keep telling yourself, it's because of God. Yeah, that's why it was hated.<br /><br />Freak.
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The reimagined series was great and the finale, while ackward was still good to me. I'm totally satified. Caprica was just a bore and waste of money. I don't want to see a lame Cylon War 1 series. That's the past. If they really want to blow our minds, give us a BSG 100 years after the end of the series, after we have rediscovered the "lost" technology. Better yet, just remake Buck Rodgers, give us a live action Robotech or MechWarrior or even better; come up with something fucking new.
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I'm so sick of you uber-religious imbeciles who make everything about your imaginary "let's get the Christians" conspiracy. <p>My disdain for the BSG finale had NOTHING to do with the religious elements. In fact, that was one of the reasons I started WATCHING THE SHOW to begin with. I thought it was a fascinating element that hadn't been seen or used much in sci-fi, and I welcomed it. <p>The problem was, as said, the plot, the writing, it was all shoehorned bass-ackwards to try to force it to make some sort of sense, and then even THAT approach was abandoned when Ron Moore and his imbecile writing crew decided that plot didn't matter as long as the "characters" were served. <p>Well, they didn't even get THAT right. Starbuck just disappearing was moronic. I can't even watch the great first couple seasons now, because it's all been screwed by the cluster-eff that was the final season. Note: NOT JUST THE FINALE. It was the whole final season. <p>In fact, it all started when they revealed the final five. I tried to force myself to like the idea at the time, but it just got more and more idiotic the more I thought about it, particularly when it was revealed that those five characters were chosen on a whim, and they decided they'd try to write around it later. <p>So yeah, you douchebag religious fanatics with your martyr complexes can shove it. I would've welcomed the religious overtones if attention had been given to the plot, to wrapping things up coherently, etc. <p>It was indeed the worst ending to a series in sci-fi history.
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Actually, while I too had issues with some elements of the BSG finale, the destruction of the fleet was not one of them. <P> You have to think of it from the Colonial perspective. Not while you sit in your heated condo typing on your laptop while you watch the TV series you DVRd the night before eating the popcorn you just microwaved. <P> The Colonials came to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that their technology was a problem that had nearly destroyed them (and sister civilizations) many times over. Therefore, they got rid of the technology. <P> And before you say "well that is just stupid... what about shelter, disease etc etc" there is precedent for this: In July 1519 Hernán Cortés burned his ships because he deemed them not seaworthy even though they still could have been landed and used as shelter and for storage of resources. <P> So there is a factual basis for what the Colonials did even if it does seem a little nuts to us. <P> OK time time to jump into my heated jacuzzi, listen to some tunes on my iPod and read a book on my kindle.
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Oct. 29, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST
i thought it made perfect sense to destroy the ships
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
its realistic.
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That example is far from "precedent." The BSG crew didn't just destroy ships or potential shelter, they destroyed data, technology to fight disease, etc., etc., ad infinitum. Did Cortes also chuck all his weaponry and abandon all his knowledge to live a primitive existence? Silly. Besides, they should have been smart enough to know that destroying things they're brains are already capable of re-inventing, given the proper resources, is hardly solving a problem that originates in man's very nature. Surely they would have learned that by then. Dumb.
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Syphy tweeted that the reason for not airing the last five eps was that "with our other shows and programming, it makes sense"<p>WTF else do they have to air? More panicky plumbers stumbing in the dark, jumping at night vision green blurs?<p>They literally have spread a single season over THREE calendar years now--this makes "sense"?<p>I was hoping that Comcast's purchase of NBC would mean installing smarter suits at Syphy.<p>SyFy: Same Crap. Different Fork.
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Is that the main characters would be the secondary characters on most other shows. If you look at BSG, Adama, Roslin, starbuck and apollo were always the least intersting characters, especially compared to Baltar, Tigh, the Chief, Six. Same with Lost, people were way more interested in Ben, Locke, Desmond, Juliet, then they were in Jack or Kate. And for people who seem to hate SGU and CAPRICA so much you all seem to watch it a lot if you know the names of all the characters and plotlines, plus spend this much time on AICN discussing it.
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Oct. 29, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
BSG ended the exactly the way I always assumed it would.
by Rebel Scumb
You can either believe me or not, but I always said that they would get to earth and it would be 100,000 years ago, and that the show would end with Six in time square. And just to be clear, I loved BSG, but I felt it was VERY uneven, I'd say about 60-70% of the episodes were great, while the remainders were all terrible, but most of those bad episodes were in the second half of season 2, or all of season 3. I really liked pretty much all of season 4 though, and I liked the finale also.
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Sure the technology is different... Cortés' techology was real while much of BSGs technology is fictional. I kid, I kid! <P> However, it did seem that the Colonials did keep at least some of their weapons, perhaps even their data. It also looked like they kept a Raptor or two. <P> And the inclination for doing so is similar: Make a fresh start. By destroying their technology and their past, the colonials, like Cortés and his men, were motivated. <P> Is it entirely realistic? No. Does it serve the dramatic and thematic elements of the series? Yes. Despite inconsistencies with the religious aspects of the series, the ideas about technology were always consistent: Given long enough your inventions will get smart enough to come back and bite you in the ass. The final episode suggested as much with the news footage of modern robot and experimental AI. The show runners pondered if we are on that path. <P> Again, sure the idea seems stupid to us, but to the Colonials, who lived through a nuclear holocaust (on multiple planets) with billions vapourized and then a protracted chase and war of attrition across the galaxy, they have a different perspective than we do. Did they make the correct choice? We will never know. Perhaps it would have been better to introduce Colonial/Cylon technology to the humans that evolved in parallel on Earth. <P> For the most part they were able to shoehorn the story of Galactica into our "real world" fairly well, even if there were a few elements that were awkward as others have mentioned in this thread.
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Agreed. I have the same feelings about BSG. In fact, if they had never done the bottle show and the filler episodes needed to complete 22 hours of TV per season, I think the series would have been stronger. 13 episodes seems to be the magic number for serialized TV. It allows for good story and character arcs while not giving the audience viewer fatigue.
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I agree. The worst episodes of BSG are Black Market, The Woman King, and Deadlocked. But the worst time overall for the show was during the 'standalone' sequence of episodes in the second half of season 3. Another decision imposed on them by this idiotic network who wanted less serialised storylines, and more self contained ones which by their retarded thinking would attract more viewers. It didn't work, it lost some viewers, and the plot momentum just ground to a halt. I'm not particularly suprised they threw in a 'stunt' plot development in the guise of the final 5 during the season 3 finale and then announced that season 4 would be the last one. Something needed to be done to get out of the rut the show was in. While I think they JUST ABOUT got away with the final 5 storyline (it does make some sort of sense, but people above are correct, it was made up on the fly, just like the whole series) there is no doubt that it changed the whole programme. Making Tigh and Chief cylons was something that you either liked or hated. So I understand why people are not happy with that storyline. <P><P>As for season 4 (fuck Syfy, I aint calling it 4 and 4.5, or 4 and 5, its just SEASON 4) I like it. Some episodes are better than others, and the 'arc' element did mean that certain eps had little plot progression (the Helo/Starbuck mini mutiny one for example) but overall it gave some great moments, the opening battle of season 4, Cally's death, inhead Baltar appearing to Baltar, the Hub, the reveal of fake Earth, the Mutiny, etc. Sure, there are some stupid bits too, I never cared for the Caprica 6 baby subplot, and giving Romo Lampkin a gun was a dumb idea. But on the whole, I consider season 4 better than season 3. <P><P>Which brings me on to the finale. I have no problems with the reglious storyline's resolution and I'm far from religious myself. It aint the Christian "God", its something else, and it doesn't like that name anyway. That throughline was there from the beginning, and I like the way they both resolved it and left it open to interpretation. And I don't think everyone who hates it hates it because they hate religion either. Starbuck on the other hand, this one is more divisive. They basically just turned her into an inhead character or "angel". I don't mind it, but I wish Ron Moore hadn't wrote her to just disappear in that cartoon slapsticky sort of way. So I see why people hate it. Where was the payoff to the temple of 5 and the maelstrom? Legitimate complaints. <P><P>But the technology stuff makes perfect sense to me. People are saying above that they abandoned ALL THEIR TECHNOLOGY. Its just not what happened. They destroyed the ships, thats all. And Galactica was effectively destroyed as a warship anyway. I think considering the fleet's position, having dwindling resources, on decaying ships, having eat nothing but algae for a year, its reasonable for them to want to just live on a planet for the rest of their days. Its what they did on New Caprica, and then there was still the cylons looking to kill them. The other complaint I see all the time is that they condemned themselves to a "slow painful death". Well, maybe. But the point is that it DID work, they did starve off another war for 150,000 years, and they did preserve their culture and species because they are our ancestors. I simply can't understand why people don't find that a satisfying resolution, its both tragic and poignant, and a great note to go out on. But I have this EXACT argument reversed with people on LOST's ending (which I REALLY hated) so I guess its all subjective. <P><P>But thats my reasoning for liking it, if that makes me an apologist then fine, I'm a BSG apologist.
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oh well, I wrote that before I read your interpretation good sir
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Weyland Yutani. With all the stand alones in season 3 and whatnot.
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<P>Even if the Colonials had kept ships that could be grounded and used as shelter, there is a practical benefit to chucking the rest of the fleet somewhere else: orbits do decay and then would have eventually crashed to earth. Aiming them at the sun is a bit extreme, but it does get them out of the way, permanently.</P> <P>Kudos to Weyland-Yutani and theGoldbergV: well spoken.</P>
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Interesting and well said. The only part I disagree with is the religious element of the series that didn't seem to bother you. <P> While I agree that the Cylon God is not the Christian God, even if it does share many of the qualities such as wrath and the tendency to smite civilizations, there was actually no proof that it was a deity at all. <P> What bothered me was in the original mini series, after the Colonial Fleet had escaped the Cylon attack, the In-Head-6 says to Baltar in the Galactica hallway: "We will find you." after watching it several times, I am pretty sure the writers meant the Cylons NOT the angels or whatever she ended up being. <P> But all in all a great series with a pretty well conceived conclusion, despite the problems introduced by the network in earlier seasons.
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<P>At the beginning, wasn't she telling Baltar that she was a chip and/or a projection into his head? She played the part of virtual Cylon until Baltar had the MRI? Only after the scan came back negative did she start to tell the "truth"? I loaned out my DVD's, so I can't check.</P> <P>If that was the case, then wasn't she just playing the part of a Cylon up until then?</P>
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That is an excellent point about decaying orbits. I had not considered that. Moving the fleet away from Earth orbit makes even more sense after your insight. The last thing they would want are those hunks of obiting metal falling on your head with their reactors intact etc. <P> Besides the fleet was practically wrecked from age, combat damage, wear and tear in space and continuous long term overuse. Think of the condition of the Superdome after Katrina, but without the ability to repair it. <P> Well put Coordinate_System.
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"Despite it's obvious quality." It's nice to see one of the suits praise something they kill. I don't blame them, this show went out of its way to be something that would never be a hit. It was awesome, I don't care what anyone says. But to get the target audience on this kind of show you need the hero's journey. This show's premise needed to be recast in the tradition of Joseph Campbell.<br /> <br /> Jane Espenson is a genius but anyone who has read her New Republic article about why Harry Potter was so successful can see why this show failed. She failed to take her own best medicine. Just the same, I believe in your genius, Jane. Better luck next time.<br /> <br /> http://www.tnr.com/article/fantasy-land
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Baltar suspected she might be a chip in his head, a hallucination, or some interference caused by the nuclear explosions during CapSix's download. He didn't believe in God, so was looking for another explanation.<p>But InHeadSix declared on multiple occasions that she was an Angel Of God (which makes it humorous that some people thought the influence of God at the end was just pulled out of hat by the writers). The concepts of one vs. many gods, whether the stories of the prophets were fables or factual, the nature of faith, reality, free-will or destiny were all present from the beginning.
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Oct. 29, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST
Henry Fool---- that Espenson article made sense
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
what was wrong with that? every story needs a hero.
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Most of the complaints I heard about the finale went something like this: "God did it? You're fucking kidding me. They just made that up at the last minute." Mostly from people who obviously hadn't been paying much attention to what had been going on since the miniseries.
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So was Starbuck in Season 4, just for those people who still don't get it. I guess they need to have everything spelled out for them.
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..the nature of reality questions, downloading/resurrection, and the genesis of the cylon god in V-world.<p>Too bad the suits at syphy think plumbers in the dark are better television. Syphy will never have any credibility--when they do air good programming, it seems more like an accident, not intention. And they screw with the scheduling if a show is good.... Time to bail on the channel, entirely, I think. Wait for dvds of series they actually commit to. Hopefully that money goes to the studio, not the channel.
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Exactly! And consider what happened to Starbuck in light of the recent developments in Caprica. The discussions of avatars in virtual reality being equated with heaven, reincarnation..... A brand new Starbuck, confused, but with all the right memories (except of her 'death') and a brand new, spotless viper, original, authentic, except perfectly new......<p>A fully developed Caprica series may well have shed more light on the most mysterious events of BSG.<p>Not to mention, it seemed like an InHead just appeared in Caprica.
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Yeah the way I took it was that, just using the christian mythology as the easiest way to explain it by way of comparison, that you Kara's father was whatever the BSG universe 'god' was, he concieved her, she was a jesus type mesiah but with the purpose of leading the humans and cylons to the promise land. She did die, but was "resurrected" and then after her job was done she ascended, like Christ (or Gandalf for that matter). Its just that she wasn't aware of what she was until the end. OR you can see it as she died at the end of season 3, and everything after that was just an Angel like the inhead baltars and sixes, although that doesn't work as well in my books.
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Just for the record in no way am I suggesting they had the whole show planned out from the beginning, because they clearly didn't and retconned a lot of things as they went (Helo was suppose to be dead after the miniseries and it was only due to fan feedback that he was in the series, and had such a big role). Moore was clear in a lot of his commentaries and podcasts that they were making the show up as they went. He also said several times that character development was more important than continuity (which I don't nessesarily agree with, but that was his stance). Thats why I find it funny that of all the things people have a problem with its the god/angel stuff because thats one of the few things that DOES work really well through out the life of the whole show. Now Roslin's cancer, THAT is something that I thought was handled badly. Also I hated the romance between Adama and roslin, and also between starbuck/apollo (who I thought were much better as a brother/sister combo).
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I like Stoltz as an actor and IMHO it makes sense to carry him over into CHROME & BLOOD which should have a major focus on the 13th Tribe/Earth Cylons and skinjobs.
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...but in BSG, all that you mentioned was interspersed with In-Heads, planet Kobol, Lords of Kobol, Temple of Jupiter, leadership challenges (i.e. Adama, Lee as CAG, President Roslin, President Baltar, Quorum of 12), and of course the Cylon god. Such was not the case in CAPRICA.<p>In other words, the show would have benefited greatly had it used more of the powerful epic stuff IMHO.
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Damn that would rock!
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To be honest I was as skeptical as anyone when I heard the BSG spinoff being pitched as 'lawyers in space'. Which in all the early press was how it was described. There was nothing about the Tauron Mafia brought up, and all they ever kept going on about was it was Adama's father who was an attorney. It sounded awful, but I figured I'd give the pilot a shot, and I just really liked the show, its as simple as that. I completely agree, that its slow moving, and definitely not for everyone, but I really dig day in the life type stories. That's why I love the Patrick O'Brian Jack Aubrey books (ie Master & commander). There's no real plot movement at all, its just about daily life in an interesting setting. Also, I really appreciate that for once, someone has done a prequel that does not rely on you seeing the original first. I have a few friends who are big Caprica fans who have never seen and no absolutely nothing about BSG. The show could very easily slip into the reverse-hindsight ironic jokes like the starwars, and every other prequel has done, ie "oh Anakin, you'll be the death of me someday" type jokes. But Caprica seemed really intent on being its own thing. The one character from BSG, Bill Adama, is barely ever even used in Caprica. And you could watch Caprica without spoiling anything in BSG. I think also if the season had all aired when it was originally put on then people wouldnt be complaining about the pace. After all, its only the first season! Before I saw the pilot, I figured we wouldn't be getting a cylon centurian until maybe the 3rd or 4th season if we were lucky, but they had one up and running by the end of the pilot!
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Oct. 30, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST
Lucian Alliance and mafia gangs in sci-fi
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
do human criminal organisations make good sci-fi TV? Caprica had them and so did SGU, even though both franchises were usually about alien gods or cylons, but these recent shows focused on completely different aspects.
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would make sense, it would make it more attractive to DVD buyers, knowing it's a complete package with an endng.
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