Oct. 27, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST
I laughed so hard I nearly passed out but at the same time I was angry because i liked these guys. Watch this film and gasp lol. Peace
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST
But refusing to fly because of the risk of a crash is still an irrational fear. <p> Haven't seen this, but Morris has done some of the greatest comedy work of the last twenty years.
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST
great film, you got it right for once Beaks
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST
So in the midst of all the smoldering evidence proving their existence, they are still "bogeymen"? Nice.
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST
So hard to review this without spoiling jokes. Barry's spark plug rant is amazing.
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST
it's not about intent on whether people die on accidntal crashes or purposeful ones...it's about the probability of getting killed and if that is high enough for the fear to be rational or irrational. It is irrational to fear flying and also to fear getting killed by Islamic extremists which I'm sure the odds are probably .0000001% that it will happen to you...or something like that. Worry about cancer or diabetes or something 10000x more likely if you must worry.
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST
did you guys ever review Zeitgeist?
Oct. 27, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST
by A G
And it is fucking terrible and maybe has 2-3 funny scenes.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST
Ha I forgot about that one until you mentioned it, I think the scenes where the main character is with his family, particularly his brother are brilliantly handled. Insanely quoteable too.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST
aaa well your right Beaks it's hard not too.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST
Funny as hell and heartbreaking in places too. Just a shame it's got to the US so late (it's out on DVD/Blu in the UK after a wide release last Spring).
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST
You live in the biggest gun-carrying country in the world and you're worried about suicide bombers? Radical Americans scare the bejeezus out of me way more than radical muslims do, yet I've still been to New York. Actually radical-anyone's can be scary. Apart from Teenage Ninja Turtles. They can be radical and bodatious and awesome all they like.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST
Respectfully, people with the attitude you just expressed scare me more that the Islamic terrorists do. That you, and the article's author, can discount so thoroughly, the threat that Islamic radicals represent, is one reason why they were allowed carry out their attacks on 9/11. That these people can still exist in so organized a state is only because we do not give them the attention we should and go get them. That you could say that about "radical americans" is kind of insulting. Name the last american radical who carried out a mass attack in the name of religion. Name the American network that is global and carrying out attacks all over the world in the name of religion. There is no group on par with Islamic extremists. None. Whether they do it through terrorism, or political lobbying, the threat they represent is real and should not be underestimated. Continue to do so and you'll find yourself living under their rule before long. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but look at everything you cannot do or say for fear of offending Muslims. They are already accorded a disproportionate amount of "tolerance" as compared to every other religion on Earth. I don't care if terrorism is satirized, but we should not stand for it being marginalized.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST
Such a good film reminiscient of the life of Brian in some respects. Glad it's getting some exposure in the US.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST
by monster man
im from the the u.k. and saw this film a few weeks ago. chris morris is a genius and should be respected for putting his life on the line to make this film. its funny and makes you realise how stupid the whole suicide bombing is, theres some great comedy moments but also some of the most thought provoking moments ive seen on the subject. watch it now
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST
I saw it a while ago, and wasnt really impressed. Didnt laugh once...which may have been because all the jokes were in the trailer. And dont get me wrong, im a brass eye fan.
Oct. 27, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST
"Name the last american radical who carried out a mass attack in the name of religion" - I can't. In the name of oil though there are plentiful examples. Ditto in the name of ideology (every covert war against communism - from Vietnam to South America to Afghanistan). Don't get me wrong - I don't condone terrorism, state sponsored or religiously justified - but really, you guys live your lives THAT fearful of stuff? Let me guess... Fox News viewers yeah? As for the comment "They are already accorded a disproportionate amount of "tolerance" as compared to every other religion on Earth." you have to be kidding me. I stood in a US airport after 9/11 and saw first hand the kind of tolerance (read: racial profiling) that was shown.
Oct. 27, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in the name of his belief in the Declaration of Independence. I don't think that there should be a distinction between belief in a Religion or in a Concept if people die because of it.<P>Beaks use of the statement “The world has had more than enough time to acclimate itself to the wild-card reality of terrorism” in relation to September 11. It is a statement that seems to imply that the world has acclimatised itself since that incident – when in fact the world has been acclimatising itself for well over a century and I am aware that the US has been the scene of terrorist attacks for as long as any other nation – but the focus on September II has in itself marginalised the many other terrorist organisations that exist and operate. Never to the scale of 9/11 but that doesn't detract from the fact that hundreds upon hundreds of people have been killed by the Race Groups, Left Wing Groups, Right Wing Groups, Religious Groups, Groups that kill for territories and so on and so forth.<P>Islam accounts for around 25% of the world population and to judge a quarter of the people who live on this planet by the actions and reactions of a few is ridiculous.<P>I am not marginalising the threat – I knew people who were in London on the July the 7th bombings and I know what they went through. I am just pointing out that to focus on Islamic Radicals is to ignore Moderate Muslims and that is just wrong.
Oct. 27, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST
not make reactionary movies that feed into the false narrative of the war on terror or imply that terrorism is actually a valid threat. did you know you are 6 times more likely to die by suffocating in bed than you are from a terrorist attack?
Oct. 27, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST
nor is their motivation primarily religious, they are hindu but their motives are for political reasons. Check the book 'dying to win' for the most intelligent break down of why people actually feel compelled to become suicide bombers. Statistically it is not because of islam or religion.
Oct. 27, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST
"That these people can still exist in so organized a state is only because we do not give them the attention we should and go get them." i hope this statement was sarcasm, i can't imagine giving islamic terrorism any more attention than it already has been given the last 9 years in the USA.
Oct. 27, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST
www.rte.ie/player/voices from the grave
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST
by D o o d
and have been dying to see this movie. I have no idea what release it will get here if any! :o(<p>Chris Moris is comedy gold!
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST
by D o o d
I didn't mean literally. No pun was intended :o)
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST
Got this on UK iTunes a few weeks back. This is the best movie I've seen all year: hilarious, troubling, thought-provoking. A worthy addition to the Chris Morris canon. Whatever your politics, if you like movies you have to see this.
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:34 p.m. CST
I've seen a lot of films at the cinema this year and Four Lions is one I cannot recommend enough. It came out ages ago here (UK) and just hasn't been topped. It's hilarious and poignant. It strikes a balance so few do. In a time when lame ducks like The Hangover are hailed as comic masterpieces, it's refreshing to see a comedy that is not only laugh out loud funny throughout, but actually has something to say. I genuinely believe it to be better than Inception (which might hit my top 4 unless something surprises me before the year is out). Best comedy film since In The Loop and head and shoulders above any other comedy in between the two.
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST
You watch movies about kidnapping, rape, torture, holocausts, horrific brutality on screaming victims...but a movie about terrorism is "too far!" ha!
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST
Last USA radical who carried out a mass attack in the name of religion? Easy. George W. Bush. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml Although, arguably he is not technically LAST. It is REALLY hard to be last in some things. Name the American network that is global and carrying out attacks all over the world in the name of religion? Easier. FOX News.
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST
I can't think of any other movie released this year that has moved me in to so many different emotions within it's 2 hour's, I can't help but agree.
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST
brilliant film, even better second viewing.
Oct. 27, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST
I was all fired up to respond to some of the ignorant comments on here but luckily there's some considered thoughtful individuals like yourselves who got there first. A bit of food for thought, American funding was a vital source of support for IRA terror attacks which cost many innocent lives.
Oct. 27, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST
"There is no group on par with Islamic extremists. None." *Facepalm* You American? How about your country, and the corporations who belong to it? And it's supporting of horrid regimes in other coutries? I'd call that American extremism. And it has done and continues to harm far more people than Islamist extremists ever will, due to its terrifying resources and political reach, and will almost always get away scot-free. There, I just called it. Nothing personal, and any kind of terrorism is of course terrible, but when I see this kind of ignorant bullshit fear of the greatest threat to humanity on display, I tend to get my angry socks on.
Oct. 27, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST
.... then terrorists have already defeated you.
Oct. 27, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST
"If you have a present fear of terrorism then terrorists have already defeated you."---That's oversimplified to the point of stupidity. That description is derogatory to those ACTUALLY terrorized. I remember well leaving a Sbarro in Jerusalem and the next thing I hear, it's a smoldering pile of ash and dead bodies. There's no need to shame people for a legitimate concern.<p> Not that someone running out of a flaming building really gives a damn whether or not you think they have been "defeated".
Oct. 27, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST
So we should all be weary of all muslims, because you were in a terrorist attack? Well, isn't that as oversimplified as what Happyfat73 wrote?
Oct. 27, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST
by Rev. Slappy
I always wondered what it would have been like to have seen Strangelove in 1964. This is the closest possible thing I can imagine.
Oct. 27, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST
I don't give a shit whether you are scared or not, what I'm bothered by is this notion that people who are fearful are lesser/defeated for having an entirely legitimate concern. <p> I'm sure that Happyfat is a total badass toughguy fuckin' Clint Eastwood type who wouldn't bat an eyelash if someone on a plane ripped open their jacket revealing a bomb and screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR!" but some of us cowardly folk will just have to make the terrorists 'win' by being scared shitless at their batshit insane attempts at mass murder. <p> Must be nice to always live in a place free of terrorist attacks and log onto the Internet and imply that other people are pussy terrorist enablers. <p> I'll be back in Israel in a week or two, to a couple of not-so-nice places... and I'll watch my back, thank you very much.
Oct. 27, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST
Fair call. I made a broad generalisation. I'll amend for you... if you live in a country (like the United States for example), where the actual threat of terrorism on any given day is highly improbable, and live with an ever-present fear of terrorism, then yes, you have been defeated by terrorists.</p> Personally, I refuse to live in fear of a statisticallly improbable event that may or may not kill me in the future. </p> There are thousands of things more likely to kill you on any given day (depending on where you live), than a terrorist attack. Is fearing all of those things a rational reaction? Heck, two weeks ago, I literally came within inches of being killed by a falling tree branch (a 150kg 'widowmaker' crushed a tent that I was sitting in at the time). Should I live in fear of trees?
Oct. 27, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST
Must be horrible for you to walk around Jerusalem or any other Israeli city with Arab inhabitants. I mean some of them even look like Jews! They are so hard to tell apart if it wasn't for the obligatory bomb belt that all Arabs are equipped with... Didn't mean to make light of the situation in the Middle East, but your reasoning is flat out wrong. Do you also clutch your wallet whenever you're in a black neighbourhood? All I'm saying is terrorist attacks or not, not all muslims want to kill you.
Oct. 27, 2010, 8:25 p.m. CST
... but whether or not living fear of terrorism is 'legitimate' or not is a matter of context.</p> It's one thing to be scared when someone on a plane actually rips open their jacket, reveals a bomb and screams "ALLAH AKBAR!"</p> It's quite another to sit in on the internet from a safe room in a safe western country and profess that same fear.</p> I certainly didn't mean to imply you are a pussy terrorist enabler. But they exist. Best of luck to you in Israel.
Oct. 27, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST
In case you haven't twigged this yet, the Al Qaedas of this world do not wish to attack America "because of our freedoms". If that were the case, they would put Norway on top of their list, not the US, and would be looking to attack Switzerland, Germany, Sweden etc. on a regular basis. <p> The reason they look to attack America is because of US foreign policy. The main problem is that the US chose to leave behind its principles of justice, fairness and democracy in order to take a hard-line stand against communism in the cold war, and along the way picked up the bad habits of supporting Israel in a partisan, unquestioning manner, and also becoming fixated on energy security to the degree that its own interests always trump those of other nations. <p> If the US wants to be left alone, it doesn't need to give up any "freedoms". It needs to stop listening slavishly to AIPAC, and either to accept an economic adjustment to more expensive oil, or to invest heavily in alternative energy tech research. <p> If you go around pissing people off for long enough, they will get fucking angry. This isn't to say that terrorism is justified, of course, but the US is constantly putting itself in the firing line by failing to live up to its own self-proclaimed principles of fairness and justice. It trades those for power on a regular basis. And there are those who believe that maintaining US power is vital to keeping the world stable. But when the methods employed cause widespread unrest and anger, that argument starts to look a little circular.
Oct. 27, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
by D o o d
Well fucking put sir!
Oct. 27, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST
"Must be horrible for you to walk around Jerusalem or any other Israeli city with Arab inhabitants. I mean some of them even look like Jews!" <p> It's funny, but I don't recall ever saying I was afraid of Muslims. I do recall saying that terrorism is a real threat and I don't look down my nose at anyone for being afraid of it. So stop trying to saddle me with a ethnic/racist/religious bias. <p> I don't care about the reason for mass murder or which flavor of psychosis they claim, so dump the assumptions, please. <p> Oh, btw... being there makes a HUGE difference. Don't pretend that it doesn't. To Happyfat, I appreciate the caveat.
Oct. 28, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST
I grew up under a constant threat of terror. At least once a week we had to take different route to school coz some road or other would be blocked after a terrorist attack. However, we didn't live under constant fear of terrorist attacks. Every morning newspaper had terror deaths in headlines, but if you were to read rest of the pages, you'd find out more people died in accidents and non-terror murders.<p> Yeah, lots of people died in 9/11 and it was the biggest headcount for a single terror attack. But how many terror attacks have been on US soil other than that? Now compare that to other places in world where terrorism has been a fact of life from way before CIA funded Taliban.
Oct. 28, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST
saw it a month ago, sits nicely with Dr Strangelove and Life Of Brian as outrageously funny films that (in the context of the time they were made) you have to admire the guts shown to make them. any admirers of Chris Morris from this film or in general should check out "Why Bother?" a series of hilarious, mostly improv spoof interviews he did with Peter Cook.
It’s a misnomer that America had never been victim to terrorism before 9/11 because historically they have and not just fairly recently, in 1920 38 people were killed and 400 injured by anarchists who set a bomb off in Wall Street. However what 9/11 did do was to show the US that they were not invulnerable to external terrorists – I think every terrorist incident before that had been conducted by American Citizens. The body count was high, but small towns suffered statistically larger body counts when you look at the overall percentage of population killed and injured. However this line of thinking is never helpful as it turns terrorism into a game of Top Trumps – and again it focuses on one particular terrorist movement. The biggest impact that 9/11had on the world was the nebulous concept of the “War on Terror”. <br><br>That’s a tag line from a 80’s action movie – not a policy. It basically means that the US and the UK have declared war on a concept – an ill defined, unbalanced concept. If it is a war on terror then why is Stephen King still writing his books? He should at the very least be subject to a NATO blockade but ideally he should be being water boarded in Guantanamo Bay – because he’s responsible for some of the best selling spine tingling tales of terror the world has ever seen. The war on terror is one of the worst things to happen to the world in a long time because at it’s very fundamental core it is nothing more than an excuse for perpetual war. The US and the UK, and I get pissed off when I hear America taking full blame for it when Tony Blair and the UK government backed the action fully, anyway the US and the UK are basically acting like those kinds of insidious school bullies that would attack you every day no matter what you did. Having ‘TERROR’ as an enemy means that any target is fair game – any country could potentially be targeted by this Crusade against the age old enemy TERROR. That’s not good for the world – and even when the vague and nebulous definition used by the US and UK – ‘A Global War on Terror’ is examined it means nothing because plenty of countries suffer terrorist campaigns and we don’t react.<br><br>We live in a world where Muslims are pretty much painted as the enemy, the words of news reports tell us that it’s a small percentage of Muslim extremists but the pictures always show the small percentage burning American Flags, celebrating when Al Megrahi returns home to ‘die with dignity’ from the slowest acting cancer anyone has ever seen – we are given the visceral images that remain and the voices of reason that get swept away with the imagery. It kind of suits the administrations and the media to have an enemy – it always has (read 1984 and try not to see the similarities between the perpetual war with ‘Eurasia’ and the perpetual war with ‘Terror’.)<br><br>We have spent so much time demonising Al-Qaeda to the point that they began to resemble a mixture of S.P.E.C.T.R.E and the Orcs that ‘Four Lions’ is great in that it humanises the face of terrorism, it is not a parody – it does not spoof terrorism, it is not a Satire either – it is a very human story that, like all human stories has comedy and tragedy. Terrorists are not demons.
Oct. 28, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST
The scenes where they two guys go off to Pakistan to train in jihad are hilarious. This film is in my top 3 for this year and it's certainly my number one comedy movie. I have to agree with others two that the film is also pretty sad. If i ever visit Alton Towers again the"rubber dingy rapids" will become a pilgrimage
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST
you can barely notice The PR Plants singing their praises for the movie every few posts
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:46 a.m. CST
Maybe I was too quick to assume that your statements were rooted in some sort of fear of muslims and I apologize for that. I jumped the gun. But it seems like you can't say 'Islam', today, without someone yelling 'terror' back at you (and vice versa). As a non-practicing muslim, myself, people always expect of me to defend Islam and the actions of a few, whenever my background comes up. Well that has kinda made me paranoid to the point that everytime people talk Middle East or Islam, I am just waiting for someone to show their Islamophobic side. And I wasn't trying to play down anyone's fear of terrorism. Having relatives living in Baghdad, I've heard about how they have to life in fear of terrorism, but also in fear of being accused of terrorism. My cousin was locked up in an Iraqi prison and interrogated for a whole day, because a bomb blew up in front of his house. So while coping with the shocking fact that he and his family could've been wiped out in a matter of minutes, he also had to deal with becoming the prime suspect. What I'm trying to say, and what Happyfat also mentioned, is that it's all relative: A person living in, say, Portland can't be as fearful towards terror as someone living on the Gaza strip or Baghdad. I've seen the film and, yeah, it might be the best film of the year, but can someone tell me what the hell rubber dingy rapids are?
Oct. 28, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST
With dialogue like this, how can you NOT find this film funny?
Oct. 28, 2010, 7 a.m. CST
by teh ran
They filmed this near where I live, the bit of housing that they keep zooming in on is near a 'gentleman's club' ahem!! Also why would a bomber on a plane shout 'Admiral Akbar', what's that fishy headed rebel scum got to do with suicide bombers?
Oct. 28, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST
Have you seen and disliked the film and are upset that other people have an opinion that differs from yours? This film recieved a lot of great reviews here in the UK and had its release expanded because of its popularity and ticket sales. It's not PR, it's a sign of quality. Rubber dinghy rapids are them water rides where you go down in a rubber dinghy and get soaked through.
Akbars is also the name of an awesome curry house in Castlefield, Manchester.
Oct. 28, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST
George Bush. See what I did there? Yeah, I know you are going to say it was about oil or something, but it was all wrapped up in a lovely God Dress and jesus Sandals as he decalres - "god bless america" before sending young boys off to die. Let's all live in fear of a pedophile in every bush and terrorists in every aeroplane. To quote Bill Hicks - "Here you go, America! You are free to do as we tell you!"
Oct. 28, 2010, 7:16 a.m. CST
and the familes of dead wives, husbands and children in Iraq may feel (and have everyright) that America are the terrorists. No freedoms have to given up, just stop bombing little countries with brown people and the world won't get upset with you.
Oct. 28, 2010, 7:28 a.m. CST
I loved it! "because she's got a beard" hehehe
Oct. 28, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST
Comedy aside, it managed to do what that 'New York' film would have managed to acheive if they didnt completely newter the balls of its its perspesctive/empathy in the last 20 minutes...Morris kind of went in reverse with Four Lions, and made it sad (as in 'sadsack'), tragic, touching and jet black funny...don't want to talk any more for fear of giving away what happens or whats going on the first time round...but i love how Morris took the subject matter or topic as a comedy and made a very 'humanist' film out of it by the end. Also, i love crows.
Oct. 28, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST
by kenneth campbell
first the film, then the politics. this film is amazing, laugh out loud funny and perfectly written and cast. I am a massive fan of Morris and have seen everything he has ever done. from his very funny airport announcements to the brilliant pedogedden brass eye special (hell I even love My Wrongs and Nathan Barley). this film isn't up there with his best, but is still loads better than anything else made this year. the comparisons with Dr Strangelove are spot on, what is funny is that it is a good example of how things get hyped. Chris Morris spoke to members of terrorist cells and people who have been effected, and muslim communities where the british born and raised tube bombers came from and wrote it from knowledge and no one threatened to blow him up, no one put a price on his head because it is a film made with respect and thought and is genuinely funny with an important message. the most important is there is no need to fear terrorism. it is all hyped up and blown out of proportion by the media. sure it happens but so do lots of bad things. the idea that there is this world wide network of evil terrorists trying to destroy the way we live is utter fantasy. 11th September was a lucky attack for them, not lucky for the unfortunate victims, but lucky for the amount of devastation they caused. they didn't know the towers would fall they just thought they would cause some damage. the 7th of July attacks in London (of which I was on the tube in front of one of the ones blown up) gives a good example of the level of incompetence that these people have. they missed the rush hour by an hour. if they had been part of a big evil network they would have gone for 8:30 and not 9:30 only catching some late stragglers on their way to work . and since those attacks they haven't managed to do anything else on UK and US soil (excluding the laughable attempts Time Sq and Glasgow airport). of course the news would have us believe we have stopped attacks constantly, but cant show us any evidence of this. (there was a nice story in the UK tabloids of terrorists trying to blow up old Trafford, in truth they arrested a man because he downloaded a book and he happened to have a Man U season ticket, they then let the man go because he had done nothing wrong.) we live in a time where governments, media and corporations use the fear of the public to pass laws that are against the ideologies we believe in and sell their products and it works. the moment all people start treating each other the exact same way they wish to be treated the better the world will be. and no nation does that. we stand on moral high grounds saying we believe in one thing and then act in a completely opposite way. we are as evil as any terrorists we make up
Oct. 28, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST
Because judging from the trailer, I will need some.
Oct. 28, 2010, 8:58 a.m. CST
...but I do want to see this film. Anything that mocks the miserable homocide-bombing fuckers is right in my books. Dark satire I can appreciate. As for Islam...well, if you're gay, a woman, drinker, pornographer or just decide one day to leave Islam you're fucked. Pretty simple, really. And you're fucked whether you're moving in the radical circles of Islam or the "moderate" circles of Islam. Do they kill because of US foreign policy? It may be a factor but a bigger factor is, if I'm not a Muslim then I am kuffir. Basically I am an ape, pig, dog. And so are you. And they won't rest until the entire world is part of the Global Caliphate.™ Heh. Islam is, above all, a political ideology. It seeks to control every aspect of your life. Maybe that's why so many on the left are willing to support, or at least not protest, the continuing expansion of Muslim influence in the West. The left sees fellow travellers. In reality the left are simply Islam's Useful Idiots. Don't fear Islam. Apparently only everyone in the media and President of the US are actual Islamophobes. How else to explain the tortured reasonings to avoid even mentioning Islam in various Islam inspired violence in the US? OK. I'm rambling. Gonna see Four Lions. I hope to laugh and laugh hard. Then stand up and say, FUCK YOU, to the Islamists.
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST
by Ditch Brodie
The print I saw at the Los Angeles Film Festival had subtitles, although I'm not sure how many other prints have them.
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST
i've seen it. it was ok, had it's moments and a good ending. but for chris morris very disappointing and a bit of a wasted opportunity, which is a shame. Yes, better than the hangover. No, not a patch on In The Loop. Yes, you work in PR
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST
I mean EVERYTHING is fair game when it comes to satire, no?
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST
the story of the crazy love affair between a warmongering prophet and his underage girlfriend...
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST
So, every Muslim will follow the Koran literally? Every word followed to the letter? Right. I'm glad that until I became an atheist that I was a member of Cuddly Christianity - I mean what a welcoming and nice religion that is with only homosexuals, non Christians, daughters who dishonour their father, adulterers, mediums and anyone who won't kill non believers in the name of God being a target for deaths by stoning, burning whatever. I do worry that the fact that I have a few Egyptian Statues in my house - that probably means that I'm doomed on being a non believer and someone who has false idols but as Christians are so Cuddly as opposed to those non Cuddly Muslims I'm fine.<p><p>I have absolutely no idea if your are a Christian or not and don't wish to offend but your post is rabble rousing Right Wing Insular Mentality.
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST
We're all homophobic misogynistic warmongers out to eat your flesh and rape your daughters! Yet threats and violence against muslims is more common in the US than the other way around, these days... Ah, to hell with it! Don't think I'll ever reason with you, so why even try. Think I'll go with the old talkbacker approach: Choke on a dick you Bill O'Reilly lovin, Nascar worshipping, tobacky chewing, moonshine guzzling, sister sodomizing, evelution discrediting, Toby Keith pumping, monster truck fucking, gun toting, mobile home dwelling, minority hating, televangelist donating, roadkill preparing, has to go to the local library for internet access sad sad specimen of a Michael Bay fanboy!
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST
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Oct. 28, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST
The difference is this: SOME Christians may shun, judge and insult you, but Christianity has OUTGROWN the barbaric behaviour that still grips MUCH of the islamic faith and compels TOO MANY of its followers to act out violently. Of course not ALL muslims are prone to violence, but sadly there are ENOUGH prone to violence and hatred that it has become simply too tiresome to try and seperate the wheat from the chaff, ESPECIALLY when the koran and the words of the prophet urge muslims to shun and hate Christians and Jews....
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST
Haha Maverick wrote Islamapologists as a oun on islamophobia... It's sooo fuckin awesome he only left the title. MY FUCKING HERO!
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
Bizarrely enough I don't feel compelled to apologise for a quarter of the worlds population.
Oct. 28, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
that come to this site and want to insult people who have a natural reaction to a phenomenon that is happening at an alarming frequency (that is, muslim and koranic violence) would find your time better served preaching to muslims who fire celebratory AK rounds in the air whenever a Jewish child is murdered...but of course by doing that, you run the risk of getting your head cut off....
Oct. 28, 2010, 10 a.m. CST
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:01 a.m. CST
SO TO OUTSHINE YOU I HAVE DECIDED TO WRITE MY POST IN ALL CAPS. AAAAALLL CAPPPS!!! YOU'RE RIGHT BOTH CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM HAS outgrown MOST OF THEIR BARBARIC TENDENCIES, BUT WHAT YOU'RE FORGETTING IS THAT CHRISTIANITY IS 600 YEARS OLDER THAN ISLAM AND THUS HAS HAD LONGER TIME TO EVOLVE AND DEAL WITH SUCH MATTERS. MAYBE IN 600 YEARS WE MUSLIMS WOULD BE RANTING OVER SCIENTOLOGISTS AND SCIENTOLOPHOBIA WOULD BE A REAL THING!
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST
are following the words of a pedophile warmongerer.....doesn't mean they're right just because there's a bunch of em'!
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST
your prophet is gonna be MIGHTY angry....
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST
it's barbaric tendencies is because there weren't any there to begin with. Christianity is a religion based on the teachings of Christ, NOT the Bible as Christ himself rejected some scripture. islam on the other hand is based on the teachings of a warmonger who HATED JEWS AND CHRISTIANS and felt the need to have sexual relations with children....
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST
Please, don't patronize me, dickwad! I know what I said. The problems lie in the fact that some people tend to misunderstand the use of religion and use it to get their political agenda across, wether it be radical muslims or KKK members while others read too much into certain things and out of fear of going to hell enforce ridiculous rules upon themselves and their fellow men. Christianity is as big a culprit of this as Islam is, but the difference is 600 years of evolution.
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST
But ever heard of Catholic priests or the Koran burning minister with the awesome mustache?
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:17 a.m. CST
Which definitely does not include the Holy Inquisitions - all four of them. It certainly doesn't include the Witch Trials that swept across Europe and early Colonial America. Let's also not include the many Crusades or any other of the many, many non violent and non barbaric torture and murder of people.
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST
Maverick is clearly either a bitter 13 year old or Ann Coulter.
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST
You do realise you were being satirical when you said - "Can't wait to see "Date Rape, The Musical" right?
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST
Terrence Howard as Mike Tyson Mel Gibson as Schlomo the Rapist Tara Reid as Dead drunk Tara Reid Mickey Rourke as Coke mouth Kenny Directed by Victor Salva
Oct. 28, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST
They are all doing it eh? I remember when Clay changed his name to Mohammed Ali when joining the Nation of Islam. They all welcomed him in and gave him a machine gun to fire when a jew child died. Hell, Mike Tyson was even given one in prison when he converted. Dave Chappelle has a whole rack backstage in case he needs them apon hearing of baby jews dying while he is on stage. Mos Def has a clause in his contract which states he will not appear in any movie unless a jew baby dies. Busta Rhymes has the same clause, but can't get into movies. When Bernard Hopkins fights where you think he keeps his baby jew alaram gun? that's right! you guessed it. In his boxing shorts. it folds up and turns into a protector belt. You are a scared child that listens to right wing racists and bigots far too much. You really are a dumbass that doesn't know about the country he is fucking living in!
Oct. 28, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST
I like how you could have gone for Polanski directing, but did the 'ol switcha roo on us. clever.
Oct. 28, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST
Oct. 28, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST
by D o o d
you really need to step back and take a breath. First of all let me get my stance clear. I'm not religious at all but I do respect that if you need it in your life then believe and serve in peace.<p>So having said that, there has been quite a lot said here that is totally influenced by the media and especially media like Fox. Regardless of what islam is, people are people. The people I know that are muslims are really some of the sweetest kindest people I know. The ones you are all talking about are just brainwashed puppets who will do as much for their cause as the two boys from Columbine did. Yes those two boys were terrorist, they had an agenda, be it in their own head, and they carried it out with precision.<p>It is a well known fact that America has segregated its people from the rest of the world and the media inside america keeps you uneducated. The world news in the US actually means National and not International. I rarely hear anything about what's going on outside of the US!<p>Chris Morris is quite a clever bloke and you should all give the movie a chance. I will, when I can find a theatre to see it in!
Oct. 28, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST
"Anything that mocks the miserable homocide-bombing fuckers is right in my books." Four Lions definitely doesn't mock the bombers in the way you obviously want. This is a much more intelligent film which makes you care for and laugh at the bombers in equal measure. The family scenes are just heartbreaking.
Oct. 28, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST
by D o o d
This is what I absolutely love about British/European movies. They can be funny and then at the same time be so heartbreaking and tragic. There are so many brilliant films like that coming out of the UK. Brassed Off and Billy Elliot come to mind but there are so many more.<p>I think the reason is that us brits have this amazing ability to look for and see a spark in almost any dire situation. Our ability to see humour in the face of adversity is one of our greatest charm.<p>Going back to Terrorism, we have had our fair share of it for many many years from the IRA, which I should point out was also funded by the US!
Oct. 28, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST
I also recommend 'Looking for Eric' as another great recent British film. Another example of comedy, heartbreak and great friendship all rolled into one
Oct. 28, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST
Yes, Christianity never had any barbaric tendencies if we forget things like the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, priests having sex with children, "Christians" taking away the rights of gays and shooting abortion doctors, the Holocaust... You're right: Christianity has always been quite docile. Without the helpfulness of CHristianity, I wouldn't know to look down on interracial relations, or keeping my woman at home where she can be subserviant, or treating gays with disrespect and contempt. Thank you, Jesus, and thank you, maverick68.
Oct. 28, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST
by D o o d
Yeah I've been trying to get to see that. I think I'll just purchase it. Thanks for reminding me though :o)
Oct. 28, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST
Your post made me spray my drink with laughter. Well played, sir.
Oct. 28, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST
<p>Hello? Salardo?</p> <p>Choke on a dick you Bill O'Reilly lovin (don't watch him), Nascar worshipping (really don't "get" Nascar), tobacky chewing (Jesus! seriously? Nasty habit), moonshine guzzling (I'd rather have a nice glass of Johnnie Walker Black...neat), sister sodomizing (ewww. EWWWW!), evelution discrediting (micro or macro?), Toby Keith pumping (um, no. Rather listen to STP, RHCP or even the Dead Kennedys), monster truck fucking (Sweet JESUS, NO!), gun toting (once I get my licence...yup), mobile home dwelling (Nah. I have a nice house), minority hating (my wife and kids are First Nation, bitch! Hah) televangelist donating (never..can't stand 'em), roadkill preparing (OK. You got me there. heh), has to go to the local library for internet access (Broadband at home, baby!) sad sad specimen of a Michael Bay fanboy! (Bay? I'd rather watch Jackson, Hitchcock or that Brick directin' fella! </p> <p>John_Lithgows_Crusty_Balls?</p> Yes, Christianity never had any barbaric tendencies if we forget things like the Crusades, (a response to Islamic aggression. Read your history) the Spanish Inquisition (actually a small group of people that did some nasty shit..yeah. but not inidicative of the whole), priests having sex with children (actually men sexually abusing almost exclusively pre & just-pubescent boys....hmmm, maybe homosexuality might have something to do with it? Wrong regardless and shamefully handled...like the way teacher's unions handle similar abuses), "Christians" taking away the rights of gays and shooting abortion doctors (thanks for putting "Christians" in quotes and as for shootings Christians have, as a whole, overwhelmingly rejected and condemned these actions), the Holocaust (was a Nietzsche inspired, athiestic, master-race bullshit piece of evil..oh and btw, Muslims want to finish what Hitler started...just sayin') ... You're right: Christianity has always been quite docile. (Yup. Been twisted at times by stupid, opportunistic people but, as a whole, Christianity is the tits!</p>) <p>MrJJonz? I doubt I'll be disappointed.</p> Later. MT
Oct. 28, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST
...with Christianity and Islam that you are blind to what is happening. The Europeans are starting to clue in but it may already be too late. When Muslims are "breeding like mosquitos" (stated by a Scandinavian Imam so, please, don't get bitchy with me) and the reproduction rate in the West is far below what is needed to even sustain population growth, then, eventually, the Ummah WILL have their dream come true. A global caliphate. And every one of you who saw a Christian boogeyman around every corner will realize you were looking in the wrong direction as you pay the jizyah or just convert to save your job, position, family, whatever. As for me, I will NOT submit. MT
Oct. 28, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST
would approve of you listening to his band. You have obviously missed the point if your views here are anything to go by.
Oct. 28, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Somehow I hope these screenings aren't very full.
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST
Have you ever met a Muslim? Look, I have Muslim friends who hang out with my gay friends without wanting to kill them. I have Muslim friends who drink and smoke. Hell, I sit next to a lovely chap from Iran in our office at work and he wishes no harm on anyone, nor has he ever tried to push his "Islamic agenda" onto anyone (unlike some Christians that I know). Way to tarnish everyone with the same push.
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST
bloody lack of an edit button.
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST
what with you being one of the biggest ones on talkbacks. What I love is your idol Edgar Wright is a massive Chris Morris fan haha
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST
When Ricky Gervais has the huge body of work that Chris Morris has then you could possibly make that weird comparison but at the moment Gervais, and I'm not dismissing him as I think The Office and Extras are legitimately great shows, but he certainly hasn't shown that he has the talent that Chris Morris has - or perhaps sustainable talent that Morris has.<P>However if you can point out Morris' shitty bill paying appearences in shitty Hollywood movies then I'll listen.
Oct. 28, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST
by D o o d
Your speaking from a point of view of not knowing the true body of work that Chris Morris has done. I bet if you were to ask Ricky Gervais who he was inspired by, I'm sure amongst the many names he would certainly throw in Chris Morris.<p>Morris doesn't just make comedy but he's always pushing it as far as he can whether it be subjects on the portrayal of Paedophiles by the tabloids to making celebrities look completely pathetic pushing any charity to enhance their own image to a film about suicide bombers.<p>Your point about one of the bombers being mentally disabled. Would you not agree that if you're willing to kill yourself and bring harm to others, there's something seriously wrong with that person mentally..?!!! Maybe the joke is on you for not picking that up!
Oct. 28, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST
I think we are forgetting this is all from the guy who spent months saying the same thing over and over to gigantic, mental proportions here in the build up to Scott Pilgrims release. He developed a very weird obsession with a director and a film he had never seen. It went well over the line of an escaped lunatic's mad rantings. Comparing Gervais to Morris is like comparing Peter Cook to Dudley Moore.
Oct. 28, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST
Oct. 28, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST
I don't disagree with your statement about there being Muslims who are all cool with the gay, have a pint and puff and are genuinely nice people. The problem is the "tiny minority" of Islamists, those wishing global caliphate, stone the adulteress, hang the gay, slaughter the Jews, Christians, Animists, Atheists, and death to the apostate types are the vocal ones. They scare the bejeezus out of the average schmoo in the local mosque and control the mosque. They run the show and while I can understand the moderate fellow not wanting to get on the bad side of the shit-heads who might be running their local mosque why the FUCK are we (non-Muslims) giving any more credence/respectability/honour to their belief? You, and I don't mean you specificaly bomb, but you don't give a FUCK about Christianity. You don't give a FUCK about Christians. You'll say some of the nastiest shit about Christians, Jesus, their customs and do it with such gusto but you won't do the same with Islam. Suddenly it's all about respect. About showing proper deference. And you know why? Because if you go around mouthing off against Islam, Mohammed, burn a Koran, draw a cartoon you might find yourself having to go into hiding, blown up, shot, stabbed, throat slit or beheaded. Ask Ayan Hirsi Ali, Molly Norris, Salman Rushdie or Theo Van Gogh. Oh, wait. You can't ask Theo. Because he was shot, had his neck sawed at in an attempt to decapitate him and then had a letter pinned to his chest with a knife. Because he was brave enough to make a film that points out the problems with Islam. What do we get on in North America. Jesus as a gay man. Jesus getting blown by a man. Jesus fucking hookers. Jesus just some crazy, messed up motherfucker. Bunch of fucking pussies. All brave against Christians because the worst you'll get is a nasty letter. No. Not pussies. Bunch of fucking cowards. I know one thing. I will NOT submit. You all already have.
Oct. 28, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST
Oct. 29, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST
What's wrong with liking all three? Serious question now...how old are you, man? Deadly serious.
Oct. 29, 2010, 2:42 a.m. CST
Oct. 29, 2010, 3:19 a.m. CST
OK, you don't know me so I'll let some things slide but please don't think I'm an apologist for any religion - it's merely the hypocrisy of seeing people of one faith (that is known for it's violent history) critisise people of another faith for their violence. I'm actually a Dawkins-subscribing bona-fide atheist myself and I consider all religion to be utter nonsense - people take from it what they want - some people look at the hatefulness found in the Qur'an or, yes, the Bible and some look at the love found in both books. It's people who want control that wield religion as a weapon to galvanise people that scare the hell out of me. Also, as been pointed out already, the terrorist groups some of you are so afraid of use religion as a recruiting tool but these groups don't hate the west because religious ideology differences. They hate the west because of it's utterly bias support of Israel, because of the endless exploitative wars that have been carried out in the middle east, from Afganistan in the 90s and now, for the 2 Iraq invasions and, lest we forget, for the US's support of Saddam Hussain in the 80s followed by crippling sanctions that hurt the population more than the government in the 90s. These things add up. Hell, the London bombers of a few years back didn't mince their words in their martyr videos, "This is for the people of Iraq". Hell, the stories might not make Fox News but at the start of the latest Afghan war the BBC in this country were reporting a string of weddings that had been flattened by US airstrikes, civilian casualties left right and center. Hell, just look at the IraqBodyCount website. THAT is why they hate the US, THAT is why they wish you harm. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand. As you can tell, I'm probably ranting now but before anyone accuses me of not looking closer to home I concede that the UK government hasn't helped the situation either. I marched in the streets against the war in Iraq and I'd do it again. Bloody oil.
Oct. 29, 2010, 3:28 a.m. CST
I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the lampooning of Christianity and the same people not lampooning Islam. I do agree with that but I also think that by focusing on the radical militants you're demonising the millions that don't resort to violence.<BR>As for the 'nasty letter from Angry Christians' - well yeah, but from the majority of Muslims you would get the same. However look at the firebombing, the kidnappings, the attempted murders, the death threats, the assaults etc committed by Radical Christians who oppose Abortion. Or look at the many people killed in Britain and Northern Ireland for being Catholic and the many people who were killed for being Protestant. We don't judge Christianity by this small minority.
Oct. 29, 2010, 3:30 a.m. CST
Well, obviously now that I've seen the scientific formula GERVAIS > PEGG > MORRIS I will indeed have to deal with it. I didn't know you'd put so much thought into it.
Oct. 29, 2010, 5:23 a.m. CST
Morris had a hard time persuading people to fund this script. <p> historically, he can be a bit anarchic and this scared off investment, also: he's burned a few fingers in UK parliament. <p> A couple of years ago the guardian newspaper asked if people would be interested in privately funding a chris morris film, and offered an email address to pledge donations by. Myself and many other people dropped a line in and offered to make donations of varying sizes, offered to volunteer our services to the production, asked if we could be extras. I;m not sure what happened next, but it must have been pretty grim for the idea of private, audience-funding to have even been attempted. Anyway, quite soon after this public show of support purely for Morris, i should say, over his chosen subject matter, Funding was provided and the film has clawed back it's investment successfully. <p> A few months ago i recieved a film cell with a scrawled word of encouragement on the back. So did a lot of people. Morris did them all himself, apparently. <p> Whoever this film's detractors are, you are angry at the idea of something before you have tried to appreciate what the discussion is about. This film is anything but exploitative. It is a brutal, hilarious and reasonably thorough discussion of a very sticky subject matter. The content and narrative journey are entirely justified and the characters are all relevant and meaningful. It remains very comical to the end and carries a haunting message about the perils of extremism and idiocy, and also the value of life. <p> Anyone who feels that this film ought not have been made should look first to the massively exploitative 'world trade center' 'flight 93' and for the love of god that pattinson film where it turns out in the end that he's going to die in the twin towers. There's your disgraceful misuse of a medium. This is a very important film and worth the risk that was taken in making it. <p> And whoever asked when an American radical caused some shit? you really must be joking. you MUST be.
Oct. 29, 2010, 5:29 a.m. CST
we never got to invest a penny in the film, we were just remembered, which was awfully nice.
Oct. 29, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST
In UK Comedy 101. There is nobody as funny (yet intensely profound) as Chris Morris. He is more of a bona fide genius with everything he writes. Even his somewhat lesser projects (My Wrongs, Nathan Barley) eclipse the best of Gervais - who, let's face it, has never since been as humorous as he was during his guest spot on the 11 O'Clock Show. His cringeworthy comedic sensibilities in sitcoms just aren't as difficult to pull off, and his stand up routines are mostly useless. I suspect you already know this but are just trying to further the reputation of your obnoxious handle.
Oct. 29, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST
... the idea that terrorism might one day be grist for satire was unthinkable"<br><br>Obviously, Mr Beaks is not portuguese. Becasue we were already mocking then shit out Al Qaeda and all religious extremists the next week. and we had fellow portugueses killed in the attack, the worst mass killing of our citizens since the days of the African Colonial War. It's a typical response from the portuguese when faced with harsh times and catastrophes, we start joking and mocking the shit out of it. It's how we coup it.
Oct. 29, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST
George Dumbya Bush. He actually started a war on bullshit reasons and send A REAL ARMY, and threatned to do it again in other parts of the world. How's that for an american religous radical nutjob terrorizing the whole world?
Oct. 29, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST
The Unabomber and that dude who exploded the federal office in Oklahoma. Who were they if not american radical terrorists who beleived what they were doing was inspired by they believing they were God's favorite pal?
Oct. 29, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST
I just lost all respect for SCOTTPILRIMFAN and his opinion, from now on.
Oct. 29, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST
I remember him starting out on XFM Breakfast Radio in London back in the early 90's.. not funny then, not funny now. He relies far too much on other peoples material. You cannot compare him to Morris, he's on a completely different level to Gervais, check out a series Morris did called BLUE JAM (both TV and radio), it's humour so black you need a torch to see it!<p>Paedogeddon!!!
Oct. 29, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST
...but inconsistent. Morris's stuff is almost always brilliant. <p> The Office was one of the best comedies of the last ten years, but The Day Today and Brass Eye are the best comedies of the last two decades.
Oct. 29, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST
Sadly, a lot of that is being played out today as religion folk want certain elements of science and history stricken from school books or the fact that my home state has a Creation Museum of all things. Gonna' be some rough birthing pains when humanity suffles off the coil of superstition.
Oct. 29, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST
"GERVAIS RULES, MORRIS SUCKS" rinse and repeat 100 times in each talkback. What a fucking idiot you are, boy.
Oct. 30, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST
Oct. 30, 2010, 7:06 a.m. CST
Ricky Gervias should even be named in the same breath as Chris Morris are exposing their piss poor comedy credentials for all to see.