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Badass Says Khan Won’t Unleash His Wrath In The Next TREK, But One Of Five Season-One Characters Will!!
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The Alamo Drafthouse’s new Badass Digest website quotes a source close to the next “Star Trek” movie who says Khan will not be featured in the project.
But the same source indicates one of five classic Trek elements will be featured:
It’s definitely a character that will make fans of TOS excited. Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually it’s one of those that I named.
Any of them would be awesome. I think they could do worse than working in all five.
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Could be him.
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It's great they're gonna create an original story instead of rehashing like everyone feared. Gotta rewatch my S1 blu-rays to remember who 80% of those characters are....
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Some good comedy relief would be nice.
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That'll really excite the masses.
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...long dead, now selling Tribble zombies...
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If they do make him the villain it sucks that they didn't introduce him in the 1st film since he's supposed to be just as tight with Kirk and Spock as everybody else until he goes all silver eyed. Gary would be awesome 1st and foremost because his arch is intelligent old school "science fiction" (as opposed to mindless sci-fi) that many of us TOS fans thought the 1st film was missing in favor of ripping off Star Wars.
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Quattro Triticale of the living bread
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Oops, I was thinking of Gary Seven.
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Easier than Long Division
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Rehashing Khan is about as interesting as rehashing General Zod...
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I'm guessing him because I have no idea who the others are. And since they are going for a wider audience that the Trekkie-Elite, they'll go for one that knows of Star Trek might recognise. <p> That said, I hated Mudd. Boring character. Hopefully they'll do something good though. Even though it was forgetable, I enjoyed watching the new Trek and hope that the sequel won't go back to the boring formula of the previous incarnation.
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so who gives a fuck which one they drag out to try and cash in on.
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Harry Mudd - Conman (sometimes with sexy androids) Trelane - Think of him as a Baby Q. Gary Mitchell - A wannabe Q. Talosians - Marvel's The Watcher Horta - A living rock Spock famously mind melded with.
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What a horrifyingly ill constructed subject line for this article. I had to read it 5 times to absorb it.
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and got in fights and fell in love. yeah, now tell me what difference does it make which new character shows up? this shit already sounds like it was written by some advertizing/marketing scum bag.
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Assuming Mudd and Horta are red herrings, I'm assuming it's going to be a classic-ish TOS storyline with the Ent vs. a God-like being. The Talosians don't have magic powers, basically, like Trelane and Mitchel did, but it's pretty damn close. I'm thinking the Talosians, they could get inside the character's heads. Literally.
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Old school Trek (as well as TNG with the Q) kind of take for granted the idea of God-like beings whether they're people who are suddenly given nearly ominpotent powers or Aliens like Trelane and Q. Gary Mitchell is pretty much the 1st human for this to happen to. It would be a pretty big deal. I mean, yeah they live in an advanced technological society where people can compress their molecules into a data stream but it's still based in science. A regular guy who suddenly gets the kind of powers Gary gets wouldn't just be a footnote in human (or federation for that mater) history. He would be awed and then eventually feared just like in the episode but on a greater scale. Gary would be a threat to the federation as well as the Klingon and Romulan Empires since the Q haven't been discovered yet. It would be a big deal.
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Especially the bit about the rock mindmeld. In any event, thanks!
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The original series movies hardly had single entity villains. Khan's really the only one I can think of, unless you want to include the assassin in ST6. Seemed like the better movies just had the crew get tangled up in some weird situation. It wasn't really until the TNG movies that having a single enemy became the norm (Sauron, Borg Queen, F Murray Abraham, and Shinzon).
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Their marketing assholes will be pushing for a limited-time, cross-promotional, campaign blitz for a tranya flavored beverage with Coca-Cola or Pepsi Co. campaign.
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It was just a giant, rock eating slug.
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Sort of shoe-horned in wherever possible. This short, which is cool, and kind of touching, is not 'badass'. I feel that AICN 'writers' are trying to promote awareness for something.
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"Pray to me... I'm thirsty..." <p> Lame.
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Can start off as a Captain of his own Starship and be a paralleled rival/foil to Kirk since they'd obviously have to '86 him being a "5th beatle" Enterprise crew member. Basically you have a perfect foil in that Gary is just as inventive, intelligent and cunning as Kirk but he doesn't need a Starship once he gets the powers. Basically this dark version of Kirk who doesn't care about consequences and is drunk on his own power. So Kirk has to face those same demons in himself. You know, like the fascist cops in Magnum Force did for Dirty Harry.
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Maybe with Inception making all the money it did the studio suits would be open to something more intelligent centered around a "bizarre situation" but I doubt it. They need a villain so they can put a face on Slurpie cups at 7-11.
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Otherwise they could use the Guardian of Forever in this sequel (As the originally wanted to do in the first film) and young Spock could be tempted with the possibility of going back in time to prevent the destruction of Vulcan.
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Who cares if she's ten years older than Chris Pine.
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umm...to have a story arc?? This isn't an arthouse flick
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Neither was ST4. All they did was try to get some whales from the 80s. That movie didn't need a face for Kirk to punch in order to have a story.
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Should be the big bad guy this time out. Get on it Orci you talentless hackass.
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that would make an epic film. But from the options up there, I would choose Trelane.
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He was Kirk's best friend. And it would be interestint to see how it plays. The woman I most want to see on the show is Carol Marcus and her son David. Maybe in this Universe Kirk might actually take steps to know his son. Also Saavik would be cool. The talosians wouldn't be bad as that could bring back Bruce Greenwood. Please no Harvey Mudd. And no Klingons. They are the most overused aliens on star trek. I only wish J.J. Abrahms had Nero blow up Chronos (the Klingon Homeworld) instead of Vulcan! Maybe the Talosians could help the Vulcans start a new homeworld. Also... try something new!
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cuz after The Dark Knight II (f that batman III b.s.) Tom Hardy's gonna be hot as the sun.
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He's a Talkbacker!!!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST
Wouldn't if be funny if they started the next Star Trek...
by Merlin_Ambrosius
With them finding the Botany Bay, and Kirk telling them to lock phasers, and blow it up? Problem solved. Ricardo Mantalban's performance can rest in peace
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But he's got it!
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out the window by pimping the Perez Hilton of Fandom's new shitty site? What does Farce have on you exactly that you now need to do the reach around and promote him?
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know which website has become contaminated by his obnoxious ranting and raving so that I may avoid it like the plauge....
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General Order 4: death penalty.
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hell, Casey would do also.
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and alien racers from TOS. Though Im cool with them taking a crack at Khan. Great villains can always be reinvented imho. Just look at the Joker in TDK. No-one thought Nicholson's Joker would ever be matched or topped, but Ledger totally knocked it out the park. I cant help but imagine Javier Bardem playing Khan and totally making the part his as per some smart talkbackers suggestions.
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Khan too. Certainly there are many good concepts, characters etc...from TOS that deserve exposure in a Trek film....Just for the love of heaven please let them write a smart script this time. I enjoyed the last Trek for what is was, but fuck me the script was dumb imho...
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They did that in one of the novels...I believe he was retconned into being Q's retarded son. I'd love to see Q himself pop up in the alternate timeline and pit Kirk and company against The Borg...maybe I'm the only one.
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THAT is the sequel I will pay to see.
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You kinda ruined my joke by posting 8 seconds before me. Curses.
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Man that's something the big bald due on BIZARE FOODS couldn't stomach his one show. The guy eats things' dicks in a soup, eyeballs, animal nuts like buffalo wings -anything and everything he can possibly get his mouth near... And he barfs out the Horchata.
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Kirrrrrrrrrrrk givvvvvve up and I willl give you a quick deathhhhhhhhh.
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You know the duDe on BIZ-however the fuck ya spellit. Eats it all day & night and yet the horchata, no.
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Bringing Khan back to the screen would have been pathetic.
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Those Mudd episodes were absolutely terrible. Mudd's Women was especially awful. That stupid Poison Ivy/Hathor "Hot Chicks that turn men into brain washed, gaping mouth idiots to control" cliche is one of the worst in all of the sci-fi/fantasy genre.
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Come on J.J. and company... Bring back Khan. We've all been waiting for his return since 1982. Think about it... Khan or Harry Mudd? Easy choice. Don't blow it!
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Paramount blew it the first time by killing off Khan at the end of "Star Trek 2." Please don't make the same mistake twice. Khan is Star Trek's Darth Vader. Bring him back! Cast Javier Bardem in the role -- He even looks like a young Montalban. It's sooo easy!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST
ARCHER AND HIS DOG MUST'VE BEEN VERY, VERY OLD IF SCOTTY MET THE
by feebster69
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But I don't necessarily want to see a god-like being either. That shit got so worn out with Q in TNG and the other series where he appeared. Fuck Trelane too. He's just Q-lite. If they're going to go the god route, Gary Mitchell in an adapation of Where No Man's Gone Before. But it would not surprise me that this is all a bunch of bullshit and what they're really doing we won't know until much later. And something with Mudd and his women would be as about as interesting as watching paint dry. We need old school vicious Klingons (no honor or anything like that) that are human looking, no TMP and beyond Klingons. I want Koloth or Kang as a direct nemesis for Kirk. Give us an epic quest type story that spans the Alpha quadrant (no time travel) with the Klingons along for the ride as the villains trying to kill the Enterprise crew every chance they get.
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One of five. Oh well...
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But I'm not up enough on the trek scuttlebutt to know which one that would be.
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1) Flat out state he's a Q. 2) John DeLance cameo. I have a feeling it'll be the Talosians, though. Just for the symmetry of The Cage / the first "real" mission of the alternate universe Trek crew. There's a hellova lot of wiggle room in the Talosian concept that it doesn't have to be a straight-up remake of The Cage anyway.
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It blew up on Trekmovie and AICN and ole Boborci hasn't popped his head in to discount it. If it was 100% bullshit, I'd wager a few quatlos he'd squelch it real quick.
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They have the strongest visual potential. Crazy looking aliens with the power to create overly elaborate CGI environments? The marketing team LOVES that shit.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 1:51 a.m. CST
"Too bad Harlan Ellison is such a greedy selfish prick"
by BurnHollywood
Actually, Ellison LIKED the new TREK, and was reportedly cozying up to Abrams and Co.<p> (I could add a cutting insult in there, but I'll just settle for you blushing in embarrassment...)<p> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Ozymandias/news/?a=12343
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Gary Mitchell would work as far as the timeline goes because Kirk was actually a bit older the Gary when they met. If you remember Kirk was a Lt. working as an instructor at the academy when he first met Gary Mitchell as one of his Cadets. However it seems fairly self-defeating since Kirk skips over that period of his life in this timeline so he wouldn't have the opportunity to meet Gary... and then you would pretty much lose out on the best part of that story, that Kirk is forced to fight and kill his best friend. The other names on the list fill me with dread. Good episodes, horrible movies. Well, some of them were good episodes. Harry Mudd is terrible... I'm hoping this is a rumor. The last rumor I heard the script didn't sound like it had been finalized, and I'm not sure what sources would have seen the script at this point outside the inner circle yet.
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Javier Bardem? Hmm.
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if we're just going to retread old characters and story lines all over again. Why the fuck are people wanting a new Kahn? Star Trek II is fine the way it is. The new Star Trek has wiped the slate clean in terms of the in universe time line---use it to come up with NEW stories and NEW characters. Producers supposedly bitched and moaned about having their hand tied down to continuity and the massive amount of characters and plot lines in the Star Trek universe, yet now all they can talk about is rehashing old characters, some which may not even exist to begin with since the time line has been shot to hell. If this is the direction they're taking the franchise, than count me the fuck out.
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Abrams Trek sucks Star Trek rules
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Imagine if the script of "The Final Frontier" was this. Sybok is being called to Eden. Takes over Enterprise, just like in the movie. Instead of some dumb "great barrier" in the center of the galaxy, the planet, he says, is INSIDE the great barrier as established in TOS. The arrive, even citing previous quests to find Eden, (that doctor and the space hippies from TOS). They arrive at the world, instead of some new being, they discover, its Gary Mitchell, trapped in the barrier and he can't get out.
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you know it
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If they go with the Talosians, then it means they're going with kind of a rehash that's meant to drive home that this is the same universe but different, the same crew but different. In the original TOS timeline, Pike was captain of the Enterprise when they first met the Talosians ("The Cage" originally, which was then chopped into "The Menagerie"). Kirk was nowhere around on that mission...hell, neither was half the TOS crew. How differently would Kirk have handled the Talosians? I think we may find out.
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Or Trelane or Gary or any of the aforementioned 3 God-like characters could do some magic hojo and boom! Shatner cameo or whathaveyou.
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Jack Black would be perfect as Harry Mudd. He's already made that preening, smarmy OTT persona very evident in quite a few movies.<P>(Please tell me I *didn't* just open a Pandora's Box casting suggestion).
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Dude... much as I applaud your sense of exuberance, and appreciate it: TAKE your meds.<P>The meds are your friend... frieeeeeeend. Ride the wave of comparative tranquility.
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How exactly could Johnathan Archer still be alive during Kirks time, Enterprise was set in 2150's and Archer was in his forties then! <P> The new Star Trek must have been set around 2200's. <P> So while it's nice that theyreferenced it, and Enterprise is the only Trek that exists in the new timeline, but unless the Archer mentioned is a grandchild, then it's a mistake.
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Oh yeah, I forgot, Bob Orci is writing...
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Because Scotty just said it happened 'a while back' and he had been exiled to that Hoth station ever since. Scotty is about 30 or so, this could have happened any time basically since he was 17 or 18. So the movie could have been set at least a decade after Scotty's exile.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 3:35 a.m. CST
How about giving the story to be scripted by talented writers
by KilliK
for a change? Bob Orci is good for Xena level stuff,but not for a good scifi film.fuck him.
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yeah, what i said up there, no mudd. gary mitchell would be super cool. thats about the only idea i like up there. although, the talosians could be cool, mind buggering the crew, i like that.
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The new Trek should explore the Roddenberry concept of making yourself a better human, rather than only large explosions and Spock making out sessions
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This is the timeline. <P> Enterprise 2150's-Archer is between 40 to 50 years old judging on the age of the actor. <P> New Star Trek film, the Kelvin is attacked in 2233, so the main part of the film is set in 2250ish. <P> Even if Scotty (who is meant to be older than Kirk) transported the beagle 20 years earlier, in say 2230, Archer would be what 120 easily? Even in the Star trek universe that is pushing it a bit.
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What was great about Star Trek is that it was what it was. Nothing too heavy. Just fast, exciting, funny, enjoyable. Great characters, great performances. Maybe a little too close to Star Wars in shape. (And why must we end with the military-style medal moment - I thought these guys were peace-lovin'?) If JJ and co want to bring back the philosophising of the original series, good luck to them. But be careful - don't want to end up like Starship Troopers without the irony.
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Really missed them last time round..
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Oct. 26, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST
Khan is a bad idea, frankly so is any other TOS character.
by Keith Maniac
Khan was only relevant in the 2nd Trek movie because they got the same actor back to play him, who was in the original episode which by chance had an unresolved, open ending. So it was a relevant continuation of something, in the case of the new movies its not continuing anything, its just pandering, for that matter so is bringing in Harry Mudd or any other TOS character, if you want to start from scratch with new actors, in a different reality, then you cant have your cake and eat it, come up with something new, pref better than Nero.
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OK, you are now OFFICIALLY a Harry Knowles sockpuppet. There's no way you'd survive here otherwise.
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...why go to all that bother of setting up an alternate universe then retreading old ground? Blimey you have reset the game plan and could do anything? New characters, planents, aliens but no...
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They will. Something old, something new, something borrowed, and an Andorian. Blend it all together for exciting space adventure.
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As everybody can see, he would have also been straight PERFECTION to play Gary Mitchell! <p> Having just seen RED, I feel the urge to underline that conclusion! <p> And I would bet my ass off that it will be Gary Mitchell being featured in the Sequel To The Prequel. If it's about chracterization, it would make the most sense.
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its Re-Imagining! I'd think, it'd be a very good choice; Drama and Science Fiction at its best. <p> Oh, by the way... would we learn more about the Delta Vega featured in the 2009 movie? Ice, The Station, and the vegetation featured in the 1966 pilot?
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Trelane and "Q"? <p> The Horta? Not for a 2 hour movie. <p> Mudd? I expect him to appear with James Cawley and Crew. <p> The Talosians? Too brainy... ;-)
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And I don't much curtain to ST talkbacks, anyhoo. Much more a SW geek, TYVM.<P>Too close to Halloween, besides. Weirdness is in abundance, as it stands.<P>Carry on.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST
I know the same was said of Nicholson's Joker but..
by cameron1975willi
..Montalban really is unbeatable as Khan.
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You know it to be true!
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a direct comparison between trek babies on ice and the original would just underscore how bad the new films really are.
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And how they're space-time distortions that make the audience dumber.
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1) Scotty just said he transported Archer's beagle. Archer could have died the day after it was born, and Scotty could have transported it much later in its life. 2) What's the point of Mudd if Scotty is the comic relief now?
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blah blah hate hate jar jar...blah blah, wank wank, jerk jerk..blubber, blah blah..
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Yeah .... we want those fucking losers instead of Borgs and Khan .... Fucking shite.
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They could do a difference take on his takeover plans instead of using Genesis device. And Khan could not move around too much in ST2 from before.
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Seriously.
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base the next movie on that gangster planet! Yeah, see!
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Gosh! I hope it's Trelane. Nothing is scarier than a psychotic god-like Liberace character. NOTHING!!
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The whole dream world, virtual world thing is WAY over done IMHO -excluding INCEPTION, which at this point, seems to have a monoply on the genre.
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He's the easiest to integrate without getting into a whole subplot.
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Redletter review called it in the review. It'll be called Star Trek: The Kingons Strike (lensflare) Back.
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Redlettermedia review called it in their recent review. It'll be called Star Trek: The Klingons Strike (lensflare) Back.
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He was the first Jar Jar.
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for harcourt fenton mudd
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That's enough material for this movie! <p> Pure Science Fiction Gold!
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...how about Timothy Olyphant as Gary Mitchell? Come to think about that.
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...that would be the Horta. But, I doubt it would be a main character of any sort... Harry Mudd - Likely, since J.J. kept Star Trek rather grounded. Just a matter how much crap is Harry in or causing... Trevalian and Gary Mitchell - doubtful. Again, Abrahms seems too grounded for 'I'm a God' stories. Talosians? I think likely. Since mind manipulation opens a lot of character exploration doors. And Pike is a major character in this universe.
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Gary and Kirk went through training together but then Gary got all paranoid and they had fight and Gary fell in some lava and Kirk left him for dead but, Gary survived. <P> He was rescued by the proto-borg and rebuilt with a cybernetic suit so now he is seven feet tall and dressed all in black and he wears a mask that looks like a skull face and a Nazi helmet and he breaths real heavy and...................Why does this sound so familiar?
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"(Not Q or the Borg, though, which are throughly fucked out at this point.)" Peter David's excellent Q-SQUARED novel flat-out stated Trelane was a Q. Too, we see that Q was involved in Mitchel gaining his immense PSI powers. So, if either of those character exist, yes, they'd be proof the Q exist in the new version TREK. As for a possible god-like character, how about Charlie X and the Thasians? There's something I wouldn't mind seeing expanded upon. One thing I would like with new films would be to correct Kirk's constantly forgetting to have the likes of Nomad download all their technical specs into the Enterprise computers for later perusal by Starfleet engineers. The number of times Kirk passed up the chance to give the Federation almost unbeatable tech advances was criminal.
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done deal
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HASSEL UNLEASHED! You know it!!
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That's Guest Starring, I tell ya! And he's quite capable, still!
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No, that's no stunt casting!
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At least when he showed up in the TNG book, they alluded to that fact. I wouldn't mind if they had him in their, but I think the Klingon war is where they going with it. I would expect it would easier to get Mudd in as an arms dealer, a grey character who Kirk beats up for info. If the Horta is in it, I would think it would be a cameo appearance. Khan not being in it is a good thing. Chang would awesome to have in it.
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means, we are quite near The Truth! <p> Aren't we right, Bob?
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Us old Trekfans die hard! <p> Same with us old Star Wars fans... but that's not the story here! BTT!
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doing his Pulp Fiction speech: "You know, Jim, I was just laying there under that rock slab you dropped on me, and I had what alcoholics call a moment of clarity."
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Both please! There's no reason why they both couldn't be in the next movie...and each of them having a respectable amount of screen time as well...you have Gary Mitchell be the main bad guy [not starting out that way of course]...and in their mission to stop him from his nefarious deeds the Enterprise crew runs into Mudd...and after a brief, but hilarious encounter with Mudd and his women they continue on their way only to find that the con man has stowed away on board the ship...they don't have time to take Mudd back so he goes along with them until mission's end...when all is said and done they promptly deposit him kicking and screaming back on whatever planet they found him.
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Talosians- unlikely. Basically they tricked people for selfish gain of a few. Not sympathetic yet not villains despite their 'redemptuon' helping capt pike Trelane- he's a q. And acts like our q-- flbouant and gay maybe but isn't a real villain more an evolution accelerator MUdd-- maybe. He's a drug pushing sexual deviant narcissist megalomaniac so maybe but they can't make him a goofball Gary Mitchell-- good choice. Friend of Kirk. Intro shows him a loving husband and father then evolves and becomes dangerous. Absolute power corrupting absolutely, ethics of killing him etc. Broadsweeping story. No Horta No charlie x
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Frickin' shame.
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Whereas most TREK villains are timeless, this particular character is from a REALLY bygone era.
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The crew of the Enterprise finds themselves up against numbers beyond what they can dial.
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Wow.
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sadly the last thing the majority goes to the movies for is to learn something. Minority Report did poorly in the states for that very reason which is why the new Trek went and will probably keep going in the direction it's headed with "light" sci fi. At least there's always the science channel!!
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Yea.. maybe it's overly obvious, but would still be great!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST
stargate ia a bottom TB loser every time
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
fucking shame really.
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The next Trek movie needs to bring back Gary Seven! or is it that Gary Seven needs to bring Trek back to him? http://trekmovie.com/tosrem/assignment_earth/tosr055_extra_01.jpg
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...in that he is a superhuman.<p> Technically speaking, you could have Gary Mitchell doing all the things a rebooted Khan would do, only Mitchell imposes his will on people through the power of mind control. Mitchell could have an entire fleet and its weapons (Federation or alien) under his control by forcing the crew to do as he pleases.<p>If no Khan, Mitchell would be the next best villain, but Khan (re-imagined) would be better IMHO.
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Gary Seven would be more interesting than any of those being teased.
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It''d be like The Voyage Home - back to the present. Nothing I'd find compelling...
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Is that Mitchell will be in this, but not as the villain. Kirk/Mitchell relationship status will be established in this one...Then in JJTrek 3--Mitchell is villain. Maybe a cliffhanger leading to this in JJTrek 2. Apologies if someone already said this. Late to this thread and just skimmed thru.
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Or Jensen Ackles, perhaps?
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Oct. 26, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST
Unfortunately Knobules, the more I think about the Doomsday Mach
by zillabeast
...the more I realize they already cannibalized the best parts in the first movie. Huge unstobbable ship destroying planets. Noble Captain crashes his starship into said said unstoppable ship to save the day. I think on screen, this would come off as too much of a rehash of the first film. Freakin' shame, too.
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...said the Horta. After looking at that thing, now I REALLY want a meatball sub...
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Oct. 26, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST
Knowing the writer's affinity for TNG, I'm betting on TRELANE
by zillabeast
Trelane as the villain gives the writers the flexibility to include Q in this movie if they wanted to, putting an end to speculation that Trelane is a member of the continuum (sp?). We know that Orci and Kurtzman were huge TNG fans, and the comic book prequel of the first film heavily featured Picard, Data, Geordi, and the Enterprise-E. They might feel that John De Lance is due for the big-screen Trek appearence he never got, as Q who appears to try to subdue Trelane, like in that novel that Peter David wrote about 20 years ago.
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That's my guess.
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I enjoyed the Harry Mudd episodes, but he really doesn't have it in him to anchor a whole movie. The mentione of Gary Seven raises an interesting point. Since Seven is in the past, his memory of the Federation should not be altered. So his alien bosses would know something screwy's happened to history. Otherwise, a spin-off movie of his adventures would certainly have my vote. It was what Roddenberry wanted from the outset, after all.
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Why go for the cheap laughs? It's a space adventure, and all they can come up with is a smarmy fem-bot pimp? Keep it on Earth then and call it the Star Trek Variety Hour, featuring dancing girls and special guest Steve Lawrence, with the comedy stylings of Jamie Farr and Frank Gorshen. Jeez, can they please get out of the 60's TV mindset!
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Portrayed by Greg Grunberg and it turns out HE was Kirk's stepfather! (making it consistent with the first movie). Adding how was pissed at Kirk for wrecking his car would add the necessary comical element.
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The Narada was pretty much a makeshift doomsday machine was it not?
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Those two characters would logically be the most affected by the changed timeline.<p> Captain Pike's altered history means that The Cage couldn't have happened the way it did.<p> Captain Kirk's altered history means that Where No Man Has Gone Before couldn't have happened the way it did.<p> Those other characters' stories could theoretically happen pretty much the same way in either timeline.<p> I'd love to see Trelane, but I doubt that's the direction they will go, because his backstory was explored in at least one of the novels, where it was "confirmed" that he's a juvenile member of the Q-Continuum.<p> Of course, those novels aren't canon, but still...
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because of the time-line reboot,then they are clueless fucktards because Q has clearly stated in TNG that his race are above all the dimensions,time-lines and multi-universes.unless you dont follow the canon,what happened in Nu Trek doesnt affect the Q in no fucking way.<br /> <p>If you want a new Q,just introduce us some other Q character played by another actor ofc,which will be more sinister like TNG Q used to be.Trelane is a good choice as well,have him a grown up entity who asks the help of the enterprise to fight a more power Q or something.
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Like the superhero movies that give us two villains. Someone like Mudd could be the "light" villain who somehow gets involved with or leads the crew to the really scary bad guy.<p>Some others may have suggested this above, but I'm too lazy to read it all.
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Sum it up in three words "PIGS IN SPACE". Now the blood starts to trickle out my ears again.
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That would all be a nice idea, but these movie people never do that. Remember when everyone was convinced Venom would appear at the very end of Spider-Man 3 as a cliffhanger. THEN people were guessing that Harvey Dent would turn into Two-Face at the very end of The Dark Knight? These movie folks just aren't that patient.
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Didn't Peter David establish that in of the sequels?
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Didn't Peter David establish that in of the sequels?
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it's gotta be the Talosians. They'll know what kind of threat the Talosians are and have to deal with them. Khan and the rest of the eugenics clan can easily be captured and towed to a prison without even waking them up, but with the Talosians there is plenty of room for the handling to be fumbled and then they need Kirk, the Golden Boy to come in and save everybody in a flashy explosion filled manner. But if we're talking about Hollywood hacks, it could be anyone. Tribbles Versus Predators, anyone?
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No interest whatsover.<p>
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It'll be a rehash of an old OS Trek episode, with flares and BSG style camera movement. <p> They'll finish the film and then think "oh fuck, where's the nod to TOS" and stick a few aliens and actors in with a knowing wink to the fans.<p> Re-imagining, rethinking, reboot, alternate universe. None of these apply. It's a fucking remake.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST
They want to do something preachy. Do "Let That Be Your Last Bat
by zillabeast
Sprinke some Harry Mudd in there, and you're good.
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Goldnugget!
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I'd love it if Shatner could ham it up as the evil Kirk against the new cast. Old evil Kirk against young new Kirk.
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these news.
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Good choice.
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The TNG pilot showed us McCoy, who was like 120 or something. Friggin' old, but still alive.
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Because all pimps should be black.
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As I said earlier, too bad that they already have Karl Urban for McCoy. He would have been the other pitch perfect choice... but, alas, he's perfect for his McCoy. So that's over, now!
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of the starship enterprise. It's continuing mission- to explore strange new worlds- to seek out other humans in the galaxy with makeup on their foreheads- to boldly retread the same characters over and over
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movie and capn Archer saved all realities in the entire known universe? And yet Kirk has to be told what the federation is at the beginning? The federation would be even more militaristic after archer's missions because of the insane threats out there. They would be talking of archer like a god and saying things like- in Archer we trust. I have to go back and catch the reference
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"Quick, Gary, we need to suck the radioactive positrons out of the turbolift shaft! That's it -- work the shaft... What are you all looking at?"
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Fuck Hary Mudd and fuck Gary Mitchell. Mudd was only marginally interesting and wore out his welcome almost immediately. while the godlike human thing has been done to death in Trek and elsewhere. Trelane is great but he's also been done (and the whole Q thing is pretty much a grownup Trelane and that was also waaaaay played out) and while the Horta is my favorite Trek life form, I don't see her working within the context of a feature, plus the big reveal about her is very well known so the surprise element there is pretty much shot. That leaves the Talosians and I can totally see them having a decent script crafted around them. However, I would prefer it if they just started fresh and gave us something new, or gave us an all-out conflict with the Klingons that finally explains the reason for there being red and ridge-headed versions.
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Have Spock go into Pon-Farr and have to return to Vulcan, only this time have Uhura take on T'Pring in violent armed combat. Like you wouldn't want to see that!
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Oxymoron. I assume you're referring to quality sci-fi that doesn't rely on action and shakycam? If so, then there was a little movie called Inception that came out this year. And Minority Report did fine domestically. Not great or anything, but it wasn't a failure.
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Paul Giamatti would make a great Harry Mud. And I'll second the idea as Timothy Olyphant for Gary Mitchell
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Oct. 26, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST
Why was "the bulk of the fleet" occupied in the Laurentian syste
by zillabeast
Remember when Tyler Perry said that in the first movie? WTF was that all about? Maybe the Federation was involved in some kind of war that we heard nothing about in the first movie?
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It just fits. I can't see it being Trelane, I can't even imagine him in the rebooted Trek universe.
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I'd love to see how James T. would handle The Borg.
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I agree completely. I fear we will never see a script like that for Trek again, though.
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People live to be 100 nowadays. It's not exactly common, but it happens. Think 200 years in the future how much longer people will live AND in the alternate timeline, it's so wacky advanced because it all stems from the Kelvin's scans of the Narada which was from the TNG timeline anyway. So I can buy it's a really old and really angry Archer. Hell, I'd even love to see Bakula in a cameo in the next movie as just an anciently decrepit Archer in a cyber-wheelchair who basically just screams a lot about how Scotty nuked Porthos.
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There was a rumor before it was released, there would another movie or two then a series. I doubt it now, since the movie made a ton of cash and most of the actors can pick parts that they want. I also agree a Klingon war is needed since we never really got one anyway. If Inception isn't sci-fi, I don't know what is. Its a bank robber film in a sci-fi element deal with it.
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I like the idea of the mirror universe. The layer between dimensions could be torn given how the last movie ended with the warp core being jettisoned and the red matter creating a black hole thus allowing the mirror universe and the Terran Empire to invade the Federation. I would personally love to see the exchange between Spock and Mirror Spock played by Quinto. We could see killer Enterprise on Enterprise space action. Plus a moral tale could be put in place with Kirk seeing so many similarities between himself and his mirror self. Instead of mirror McCoy being a doctor, he could be the guy delivering torture courtesy of mirror Kirk's orders, think of his witty banter there with an evil twist. Just think how dark this movie could be, especially with the Terran Empire on the brink of conquering the Federation. Maybe even a momentary alliance with the Federation and Klingons taking on the Terran Empire. Just ideas guys.
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<P>and Good (Real?) McCoy (and everyone else) met up early in the DC Comics Trek series (ca 1984)</P> <P>Paraphrasing:</P> <P>Mirror McCoy: "Look at all of these bleeding hearts" <P>Real McCoy: "Put that phaser down, and we'll see who does the bleeding."
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They should go back to Harlan Ellison's idea for the original ST:TMP. Have the Enterprise accidentally mess with the timeline which results in a race of lizard people coming to power on earth that ultimately lead to galactic peace. Enterprise is faced with the moral dilemma to fix the timeline or not. Maybe some Klingons get sucked back with them for a little ridged forehead fun.
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its a comic book version of the real Trek.
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is on the Bad Robot payroll too.
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I went and checked the linked article (ahem) and found that apparently the film will not focus ona traditional villain at all, and that one of the original series characters will be a focus of the story. So, Herc, did you ever read that part? Your speculations here make it sound like you didn't.
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I mean who cares about another Star Wars Trilogy, more CGI and bad dialogue. Star Trek was great, I don't give a fuck about the people here who hated it. When it comes to these potential bad guys, it's just the basic name and character, guaranteed they are nothing like what they were on the show, so don't go picturing a guy in a cowboy hat when thinking of Mudd in the new series.
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is what I always called the Horta when I was a kid. My mom made a casserole that looked an awful lot like that.
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you are dumb man
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the TOS movies,with the exception of WRATH,didnt have a villain which acted as the opposite pole in a representation of the battle between good vs evil which ended with the villain's demise.<br /> <p>most of those movies were about the Enterprise and its crew getting involved,as their job and duty demanded,to very complicated,serious and threatening situations where the final solution was not occurred with just the plain use of physical violence.<br /> <p>most of the TOS movies were more like adventures which tried to explore more themes,than just your more entertaining but overdone theme of good vs evil.<br /> <p>ST1,4,5,6 had villains which were used mainly as devices to set,develop and progress the stories,than cliche bad guys who are in conflict with the heroes of the movies.<br /> <p>even in ST3,the Klingon bad guy was only thrown in there to have someone to give thrills and agony to the audience and fill the movie,while in reality the real thrills were caming from the story itself which was about Kirk subordinating the Federation,escaping and being in the run while trying to save his old fried.that's where they should have focused the creators of ST3 from the start.<br /> <p>anyway i will say it again: we need more complex and compelling stories and not a type-casted villain which will be used as an excuse for a bunch of cool CGI scenes with the Enterprise exchanging phaser shots with other ships.<br /> <p>We dont need more ST movies acting as Star Wars movies,or James Bond movies or in the worst case,as Transformers movies. We need ST acting as a spaceship from a space Federation,with the mission to go where no man has gone before.is this so fucking hard to do?
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I like the concept but I'm not sure about it (as if I'M an authority)...The tone's been set for the Kirk/Spock relationship and I gather they'll want to explore that some more so for clarity's sake won't they need a visible, tangible enemy? Just throwing it out there. It is a movie for more than we picky nerds. If they do choose Harry Mudd, please for the love of cheese toast, not Jack Black!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST
This kind of TB is EXACTLY why JJ and Co. leaked in the info
by zillabeast
They wanna serve the fans, and they wanna see what we got. That brings a smile to my face. At least the give a fuck.
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What no Klingons? Thumbs down.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST
haha as if the first one had a real villain
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
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comon hes whole character background is begging to be villainized!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST
I'd also love to see if the Mirror Universe has been altered.
by Royston Lodge
What if Nero's fucking around with the Timeline didn't have any real effect on the Mirror Universe? So the Mirror Universe conforms to old Trek canon, causing all sorts of confusion when the AbramsTrek characters cross the dimensional boundary.<p> I dunno exactly how it would work, but there's gotta be a way to do it that would melt every fan's brain without being too corny.
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Makes it so, Number One. Boom! There's your comic relief.
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At least he does in the Orci/Ortzman penned Star Trek Countdown comic. I thought it would have been easy and nice for them to mention that when young Spock checks into the Jellyfish ship and asks for it's stardate origin. The computer voice says it was comissioned by the Vulcan science academy but didnt mention LaForge as the architect. Woulda been cool. If you're a fan you'd get the reference, and if you were a casual viewer you wouldnt think about the name or think it meant anything. Best of both worlds. Pun intended. Enterprise E cameo during the Narada's attack on the Jellyfish in the 24th century woulda been cool too.
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a new life-form which was found in an unknown planet, in one of the enterprise's voyages.<br /> <p>the Tribbles become a huge hit with thousands of sales throughout the Federnation's planets, because they are very cute and everyone wants to have them.<br /> <p>but a terrific secret lies behind those adorable pets.If they drink water they multiply without limit,and if they get feed after midnight they turn into small,hungry for flesh,monsters.<br /> <p>Spock learns about this terrible secret but it is too late,the monstrous Tribbles have infested all the planets and the Federation is on the brink of destruction.its up to Kirk,a now shaved Spock and the Enteprise to save the galaxy,in the new sensational movie Star Trek 2: The Menace of the Tribbles
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trelane (who def is a Q in my opinion), harry mudd, or gary mitchell could all be great fun. i'm gonna guess they won't do gary mitchell b/c then they'd be shifting the friendship emphasis off spock/kirk, which i think they want to enhance in JJ Trek 2.
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That was a fun prequel to Star Trek - if they'd fleshed that out and turned it into a movie... ...would have been THE best TNG movie and THE BEST way for them to call it quits. ...and then have the franchise rebooted with this new timeline.
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The USS Defiant from the TOS ep "Tholian Web" in the Prime timeline travelled back through time into the Mirror Universe in the ENT episode "Mirror Darkly". No USS Defiant in alternate universe to get captured by mirror universe Tholians, no Mirror Archer seizes control, no Emperoress Hoshi Sato who takes over the Mirror Universe with the Prime USS Defiant. Shit turns out different. Ripples, people, ripples! <P>Of course, I would find it hard to believe Nero's incursion would affect stuff like the Whale Probe, the Borg, the Nexus, and the Dominion, but I highly doubt the JJ-verse will tell those tales on the big screen, maybe in spin-off materiel. As for V'Ger, just read the Nero comic, they kinda handled that. (And I'm one of those "everything is canon" freaks anyway so it works for me)
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A variation on the Gary Mitchell character would be great, but you would have to have another "exterior" threat to work with, like the Klingons. Mitchell would work great in a Spock / Kirk triangle ripe with a ton of conflict and resolution. I recall the episode very well. Spock keeps urging Kirk to kill his best friend. Awesome stuff. I love the idea of Harry Mudd as well. There is so much that they can do, but I definitely want more "Star Trek" and less "Star Wars".
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That name is in the ownership of Khan!!!!
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Harry Mudd must be played by Ryan Reynolds. Gary Mitchell would be awesome in the hands of someone like Joseph Gordon Levitt or maybe Sebastian Stan (but he's Bucky now, so maybe not, but who knows).
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why cant i access gateworld!!! why!
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Fuck, you could make a whole TV series about Spock Prime using his knowledge of the future to protect the Federation from approaching threats, stealing all of Pine Kirk's glory!
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i would totally watch that!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST
Spock Prime's got nothing to lose by changing this timeline
by zillabeast
Why not just kill V'Ger, The Probe, Khan, General Chang, Dr. Soran, The Dominion, even the freakin' Borg, all on easy mode! It's like playing through a video game after you're already beaten it! He could harness the power of the Genesis Torpedo to make the Federation the ultimate power in the Galaxy. All in the name of logic.
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..was one of the smartest and worthiest adversaries Kirk faced; the episode was one of the best and helped set the tone for Star Trek as an intelligent series. Have the new movie focus on a battle of wits between the Kirk and the Romulan captain, a game of chess in space, have the whole movie take place on the 2 ships, and let the movie focus on what Star Trek was ultimately about, the characters. <p> In short give it the intelligence that the first one so sorely missed.
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Then the happy go lucky brown non-rigged forehead Klingons seriously need an update. They had to whole "mystery of what the Klingons look like" bit in the deleted scenes of Nero in the prison camp. I don't think non-geek, mainstream audiences will mind if they bring back the brown skinned, goatee look. Also, it would be nice if they had a throwaway bit with Kirk and Spock visiting a Nazi, Ganster, American Indian or Ancient Roman planet in the beginning and basically just established that there are freako sub groups of humans that populate these theme planets as a 22nd century fad.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST
I would LOVE a Balace of Terror Redux...but KHAN sorta did it
by zillabeast
I'm not knocking the idea. It's a dream for me, too. I just think that they would have a hard time selling a two-hour cerebral space-battle-chess-drama to the JJverse's "target" audience.
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The thing there is this; McCoy may gave lived to that age but that was 200 years after Archer's time and medical science would have progressed by that point. Also, even if by some miracle Archer survived all that time, Porthos certainly wouldn't have! <p> It was a blunder meant to be a reference.
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all his organs were replaced by artificial ones which makes it an irony,since McCoy was always against the "use" of technology.
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So the dream invasion technology/equipment used by Cobb (DiCaprio) and Archer (Gordon-Levitt) is real? OK.
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"Cobb...and Arthur..."
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Is it just to make cosmetic/stylistic changes to the property and repeat old stories?
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pens shootings lasers,invincible cars shooting rockets,jet-packs,doomsday machines,x-ray glasses and so on.<br /> <p>yep.
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so let's get out of touch here. Mudd can be part of story-- a conman with a heart of gold who helps them maybe in a cursory way while at the same time being funny and a scoundrel and a womanizer and a narcissist and a drinker and a fiend, just like we all love him to be. But you need a real serious threat-- Trelane (Q) is an asshole and if he's a Q they aren't threats they are tests which help evolve mankind. If Q's were evil they could end mankind in a second. They aren't a threat and they are characters for TV, not movies. It's gotta be a HUMAN story, that is what this production team always does and they won't stop here. No one wants to see a 5000 pound slithering rock for 2 hours that can only be communicated with telepathically. Telosians are cool, but not true villains, obviously. Gary Mitchell is the story, if it's among these. And making him a close friend of Kirk, like someone he was very close with during school and even before in Ohio, and now, logic dictates that he must die, but when and how and who should do it, but he has a wife and kids and maybe we can stop what is happening to him, etc.... there's a good story here. and of course if we can sprinkle in some Klingon tension at the end to lead us into the next movie, so much the better.
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In a New York Times interview, Nolan says:<p>"...What “Inception” deals with is a science fiction concept...which is that you and I are able to experience the same dream at the same time..."<p>Here's the web address:<p>http://tinyurl.com/3y63kbw
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And I as I said, people do hit the century mark nowadays. Medical advances in the 2200's could still make sure he's alive, and in the Prime timeline, Archer lived long enough to see the launch of the NCC-1701 (taken from Mirror Darkly Archer's bio, which was written by a writer on Enterprise. Check his Memory Alpha entry). ALSO, we're talking about the JJ-verse, where the technology is much more advanced, since it's based around the Kelvin's scans of the Narada, which of itself is from the 24th century (Boborci said so in a talkback here, check Memory Alpha for that). Orci also said in a Q & A at Trekmovie that, yes, it was the Johnathan Archer we all know and love. <P>Honestly, if you REALLY can't believe that it isn't the NX-01 Johnathan Archer, go right ahead. But there's nothing that says it isn't him. And why the hell not, Porthos too. Just kept his dog in cryostasis and took him out for a good pet and/or transporter experiment. Archer REALLY loved that dog, see "A Night in Sickbay"
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replace his dream-device with a magic potion and you get the same movie.hell,if i am going to use his definition of what classifies a movie as scifi,does this mean that the Elm Street movies are sci-fi as well? clueless geeks...
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it can't be him.
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Sigh.<p>There were clearly defined rules to the dream invasions. Lack of a magic potion is the whole point.
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Well yeah Nolan's definition is correct. You could have the same narrative structure but if you resort to magic or spiritualism (ie Exorcist or Harry Potter or Star Wars) than it's not sci-fi. Science fiction is about the fictional application of scientific concepts and conundrums. Harry Potter has a typical "sci-fi" structure but it's not sci-fi as it does not ask scientific questions of itself. If Harry was going to a school of genetically freaked out special kids, then yeah perhaps it would be sci fi.
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Well yeah Nolan's definition is correct. You could have the same narrative structure but if you resort to magic or spiritualism (ie Exorcist or Harry Potter or Star Wars) than it's not sci-fi. Science fiction is about the fictional application of scientific concepts and conundrums. Harry Potter has a typical "sci-fi" structure but it's not sci-fi as it does not ask scientific questions of itself. If Harry was going to a school of genetically freaked out special kids, then yeah perhaps it would be sci fi.
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The use of gadgets is not sci fi. Maybe to a simple sorority girl it would appear that way (what sorority are you btw?). I know them lightsabres and spaceships can be super distracting to the typical retard but they are no different than horses or buggies in a western. Unless the story is about the scientific problem and speculation and implications of building a ship. A ship in and of itself does not dictate whether a story is sci fi. Nor does a laser gun. Or a crazy pen.
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there were clearly defined rules to the dream invasions in the Elm Street movies as well.i repeat my question: does this make them scifi too? well?
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Well, first, I second Gungan Slayer and the others that they're defeating the purpose of the new timeline if they're simply going to rehash old tv episodes. But, if they must use Khan, why not actually cast an Indian actor instead of Javier Bardem. (Man, the thinking behind that is hilarious... "Well, they used a Mexican actor in the first one." Yeah, well, that's what morons did in the 60's. They cast Natalie Woods as a Puerto Rican too. And Charleton Heston as a Mexican. Today, we don't make that mistake. Except when they cast Chinese and Korean actors as Japanese characters) Anyway, as I think about it, Amitabh Bachahan looks a bit like Ricardo Montalban. And has the same hairdo with or without the wig. Of course most of you have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm just wasting time here, but there it is, that's what I'd do. Actually, if I was in charge. I'd just say "To hell with it" and do a new sci fi series called Star Trak! Because that's what most of the idiots who liked JJ Trek call it anyway.
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It has to be, but he is from season one.
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<P>The character was referred to as "Admiral Archer", right? It wasn't necessarily the same person, right? A descendant, perhaps, who shared his particular taste in pests, er pets.</P> <P>Johnathon Archer was last seen elected as President of the Federation. He most likely would be addressed by his highest (and probably, last) title.</P>
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so you do agree that NoHubris's argument that Inception is scifi because Leo uses the gadget of a dream invasion technology/equipment to is invalid.thank you for helping me to make my point.cheers.
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well-known Archer from the Enteprise series,then he is a more retarded writer than i thought.jesus.
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from Memory Alpha, later career section: http://tinyurl.com/24w9cuc Relevant snippets: " For the biographical display seen in "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II", writer Mike Sussman wrote a final section of text that didn't end up being visible on screen, stating that Archer "...died at his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation starship Enterprise, NCC-1701"" And also: "In Star Trek, Montgomery Scott, stationed on the remote Delta Vega outpost, believed he was "exiled" there after using a beagle belonging to "Admiral Archer" for an unsuccessful transporter experiment. Writers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci have confirmed that this is a reference to Enterprise, [1] and later confirmed that it is, indeed, the same Jonathan Archer. [2] Jonathan Archer would be 146 in 2258, when most of the film is set." <P>That would be Johnny about 10 years older than Bones was in Encounter At Farpoint. And Archer would still be an "Admiral" in the alt. universe, same way Picard was still a "Captain" in All Good Things... Anyway, busy guy that Johnny Archer.
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Vulcan, Spock should live at least 500 years.that's the purest definition of fan-service there,fan favorite things thrown randomly and without logic to create a product which will please the fanboys.that's how Hollywood works,that's why Boborci and co are so famous as writers,because they are very good in making this kind of populistic crap.
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That was a good idea for ST V. I used to wonder why Shatner wasn't playing catch with young David Marcus while Joan Collins looks on in the Nexus Ribbon. I honestly don't understand how a guy like William Shatner, or any of them for that matter, can not remember what came before. I mean, really, Shatner's last movie, hmmmm... what do we do to make a strong, memorable homage to his character. OOOH! I know, let's not do Forest Gump effects and have Picard following Kirk on Genesis as he saves David's life, let's instead have a lifeless, pointless horse jumping scene!!!
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Written by that hack populist sell out, Gene Roddenberry. Gotcha. Just making it clear.
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They can do better than that for hits.
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is how he should have been referred to then. It's analogous to referring to President Eisenhower as opposed to General Eisenhower or President Bush (I & II) instead of Lt. Bush.
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Chris Pike was set up in the first movie. And Trelane and Gary Mitchell are dumbass characters. I would think Trouble with Tribbles is also something that they would at least reference at some point.
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Starring, get this, Al Pacino!
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Oct. 26, 2010, 10:20 p.m. CST
Some Of You Know Way Too Much Insignificant Trekkie Trivia
by Lesbianna_Winterlude
and thus the sequel will not be to your liking at all.
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See? Where's my No Prize!
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Not a good villain. I never liked him.
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Let's start a campaign to bring Khan to Star Trek back a la Betty White and SNL. Who's with me?
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Don't tease us Trekkers buy building a movie around Harry Mudd or some other lame villain... Khan is the ultimate Trek nemisis... You know it, I know it, we all know it. Why make us wait? Just do it!!!! :)
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You don't need an Indian actor to play Khan. Ricardo made the character who he is despite his name. Who cares anyway? Find an actor who best resembles Ricardo.. They did that with the other new Trek actors... No?
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I like the flashback episode in the original series showing how Pike got disfigured. It ended with him electing to stay on the planet. It'd be a decent way to get rid of the Pike character.<p></p> Even as a kid I didn't care for Mudd and there's no way he could carry an antire movie as protagonist.<p></p> Trelain reminded me of Liberace.<p></p> Gary, on the other hand, requires a really good background in order for his character's importance to really be felt. So make him a main character in 2 and then the whole God-like entity in 3.
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<P>If you're going to play in someone else's yard, you have to play by their rules.</P> <P>Too confining? Make up your own characters, universe, mythos. Or, at least, do a full re-boot with no cross-overs from the "Prime" universe. This could have been used as an opportunity to fix all sorts of problems including the timing of the Eugenics War/Khan, which of course, did not happen in the 1990's. Sort of an "Ultimate" Star Trek. Trek XI, was, at the very least, a missed opportunity.</P> <P>Appreciation of Trek XII will hinge largely on the perceived or demonstrable quality of the writing, or lack thereof.</P>
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part <P> Try and justify him living to be 140 all you like, but in that time period medical science wouldnt have been half as advanced as it was for McCoy in TNG. <P> It was thrown in to please fans but it was a bone head mistake choronologically speaking. <P> In the Star Trek novels they mention about humans who live to be over a hundred and still serve in Star Fleet as if they were 60, but they are rare, and that is almost the 25th century 250 years after Archer's time. <P> It was a mistake.
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taken from an interview with Collider, at the Informant red carpet I believe (Bakula is great in Informant, by the way). http://tinyurl.com/2ev4zbl Always thought this was kinda funny: "tally surprised by that, I didn't see it coming. I bouguth a ticket and saw the movie with my boys and-it was so fast to be quite honest-I wasn't sure that I heard it, because there was so much going on in that movie-great movie indecently, I thought they did a wonderful job-but I thought "did he just talk about my dog dying?" And the you are on to something else."
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Have him in it, but not as the primary object of the film. He could, however, be great with the Talosians together. Imagine them trying to deal with Mudd (instead of androids).
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Bakula is great in everything! Have you not seen my screen name?
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Called Bakula.
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Damn that made me laugh!
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plausible,because they had the technology for that in that specific period of time.a 200years old Spock is plausible because of his resilient vulcan genes.a 200years old Scottie is plausible because of the teleporter technology.a 120 years old Archer how exactly is plausible,when he lived in a time where the first enterprise didnt even have shields to protect itself ffs? <br /> <p>ofc the cameos of the above characters were used as fan-service too,but there was a logical reason for their appearance in that specific time period and they were used to tell stories,there was content.<br /> <p>now a 146 Archer shown in the movie only for the shake of being shown and without at least a logical reason to make his appearance plausible,well thats retarded fan-service writing in its purest form.
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haha that was a good one.
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Cameo in part 2, please.
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It will be Mitchell. Liked all the Treks from TOS and even enjoyed the reboot (mostly for Urban). Looking forward to seeing what they do next and hope it comes closer to TOS in tone and style. I won't wish them bad luck, as many of you do here, since any Trek is better than no Trek. Don't get me started on SW prequels.
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its a reboot, who cares its been done before.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST
fuck that this is a prequel disguised as a reboot that is really
by DioxholsterOperationsOutpost
JJ wanted to re-affirm himself in the nerd-world by fucking with their most sacred bible--- star trek. Im glad i go stargate one way and man it stayed pure by having the same people creating it all this time.
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Let the Botany Bay fly by, Gary Mitchell gets an ESP spasm, fires Photon Torpedos... and there she goes... <p> Boborci, problem solved, Khan was in and out in a second...
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...whatever they do.<p>Nero was OK, but if JJ's TREK wants to be the next TDK or be named with the all time science fiction greats, the Enterprise needs to fight a tremendously extraordinary villain.
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...whatever they do.<p>Nero was OK, but if JJ's TREK wants to be the next TDK or be named with the all time science fiction greats, the Enterprise needs to fight a tremendously extraordinary villain.
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when did they tell us Archer was the President? Was it on the TV show?
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Yeah I wondered about that too, it wasnt mentioned in the show or in the new novels, which arent considered cannon anyway as they rewrite a huge part of Enterpise lore.
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No more revenge plots - we have enough of those in every dumb action flick. No more human villains in space. It's called a Star Trek -emphasis on space - away from Earth. Bumps on foreheads is not enough to convince anyone of being "alien," nor are the bickering war-like villains that show up just for a fight. Boring. <P> The pilot with the Talosians set up a series where the aliens were highly intelligent, were not out to deliberately harm anyone and were far more interesting than a lot of the subsequent beings encountered in the rest of the original series. There was moral dilemma, high drama, peril, good old-fashioned action and even some high-brow philosophy. Fist fights aside, Star Trek needs to make us think, like all good science fiction. Show us some really interesting aliens.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST
How about Kirk getting Court Martialed for all his violations?
by Royston Lodge
I'm just sayin'...
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Sure, I suppose you could then say of all the horribly overrated not-worth-discussing Nightmare films, Dream Warriors is the sci fi one. And yes the use of gadgets in and of themselves does not make a story sci fi. The stupid briefcase in Inception is a pretty goddamn central tool in what they are doing. The whole teaching and learning and process of going into dreams is explained and argued. It's a moral and ethical centerpiece and conceit of the whole story. Having said that, I have come to terms with the fact that Inception is totally retarded and that spoof on collegehumor.com hit the nail on the head. But that doesnt mean its not a perfect piece of sci-fi. If you want to talk installments in a film franchise, then sure some might be bound to be more sci-fi than others. In Star Wars, which is a fantasy, Attack of the Clones is probably the most sci-fi of all the episodes with the whole cloning issue. In the Star Trek series, I guess you could say VI has the least sci fi elements. Namely that the characters in the movie arent really discovering any new scientific frontier or possibility at all. It's a political movie, conspiracy, prison escape film, rescue attempt film, assassination etc. Characters working strictly within a political plot. No scientific conundrum. (Oh a bird of prey fires when cloaked? Whatever). Anyways probably the least sci fi of the Treks, but also the best (sorry Wrath of Kahn lovers).
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I agree. I almost said in my response to KilliK that the new Trek is probably the least sci-fi of the movies but realized in terms of story Trek VI probably is. At least Trek XI deals with wormholes, alternate histories, timelines etc. But yeah I think if they can get back to exploring space and finding a villain in that then that would be the next logical step for Trek. But if they want to raid daddys closet and cherry pick Kahn, I think that would be a mistake. I think Bryan Singer proved the problems inherent when you make love to a film you adored (Donner's Superman) and disregard the great wealth of cannon and fresh possibilities out there.
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I think that's obvious...and it'll just be reboot-ified version of The Menagerie. Which will be pretty cool, I think.
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NoHubris after all.gadgets or scifi devices dont make a scifi story.<br /> <p>although i have to disagree with ST6.if anything else,using a scifi setting to explore contemporary situations of our world is part of what makes a scifi story.ST6 was an allegory for the chernobyl destruction,the fall of USSR and the curved point it presented in the human history.
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Oct. 27, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST
The Horta, is the the kindest, most cultivated of creatures.
by cookylamoo
Unless she's sitting on your face, spewing acid.
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Tell that to Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich.
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Cause a Horta is all ass baby.
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When the USS Defiant from the TOS era travels back in time to the alternate universe and goddamn sexy looking Captain's Woman Hoshi Sato is reading Archer's bio and it flashes by on his on-screen bio, which was written by the Enterprise writers. Hell, it's not even in dialogue, it's just on screen if you can see it "PRESIDENT UFP". At which point Mirror Archer just snaps, "Great men are not PEACE-MAKE-ERS. They are conquerors!!" <P>I highly recommend watching Mirror Darkly from Enterprise to complete random strangers on the street. It's that good. And it has a shit-ton of Hoshi Sato in mid drift bearing shirts and wearing even less. I think honestly Mirror Darkly has even cracked by personal Top Ten Trek's off all time, and it's a hell of a list to get on. Easily the best episodes Enterprise ever did, anyway.
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I hate to say it but jack black as mudd I could see that work... and if they did the doomsday devices like peter david wrote in the novel...would be good as well..If its just the harr mudd movie...I will pass on the movie..but a Q movie...BOUGHT DAMN TIME...just think all the star trek characters he could make cameo appearances..and of course MS. "Q" suzie plaxon...
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Amazing book, it basically bounces in between 3 different dimensions, the Prime timeline, Yesterday's Enterprise timeline, and the one dimension in existence where Jack Crusher is still alive. When Trelane reveals to Jack that out of all the multi-verse, there's only one Jack Crusher, it really fucks with his head. Oh and Gary Mitchel is in it. His super-powers were Q who had been blasted into a primitive floating space-conciousness form. Really great read. One of my favourite Trek novels.
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Like Nero, Mudd had a connection to mining. In original TREK, Mudd was delivering his women to lonely miners. Maybe Nero's father?
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...with Kirk and crew having to stop him to save the Hortas and planets from destruction is another possiblity.<p>No pun intended.
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He's the one being preserved by the Talosians in this version of the Star Trek Universe, and he doesn't have to be on their planet to do so.
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They make Kirk feel and look as if he aged.. in one sequence of the film. There. Done.
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Stop with the self-absorbed,village-people classic "winkwink" bullsh!t. Follow the mythos and add a modern edge. It's already falling off a cliff...
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Just because you use a Character, that doesn't mean you need to stick with the actor's portrayal; Harry Mudd; ditch your preconceptions, and just use the concept of a dodgy trader. Maybe he's running weapons; maybe he's Michael Madsen, Philip Seymour Hoffman. Trelane doesn't need to be a fey Q; why not a little solid menace, with Daniel Day Lewis or Ralph Fiennes? (BTW - no matter what who says, Trelane wasn't a Q; he was tech based.) A horta doesn't need to be a shuffling pizza - it could be half-blob, half 'Alien.' For a bunch of Trek fans, you all seem to think awfully linearly. Get out of the box, and think possibilities.
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I'm all Klingon-ed out, I'd rather see them twist around a lesser-known concept.
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Like let's say the movie is about the Talosians and while Kirk/Spock/McCoy are stuck on the planet, the rest of the Ent. crew has to deal with Klingon attacks the whole time trying to keep the ship together. So you got a cerebral thinking man's sci-fi conundrum on ground and balls-out spaceship action going on up on the Ent. Probably won't happen but would be neat than just having the crew hang around the Enterprise waiting for Kirk to hail them.
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I mean, the movie was "okay" for a totally retconned mess bordering on absurdity, but that's about it. Why do we need another one set in this new half-assed Trek universe anyway? No matter how "stylish" they serve it up, Kirk & crew HAVE gone there before...and better.
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says it all
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