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THE HOBBIT cast!
Hey folks, Harry here with the latest on THE HOBBIT which may or may not be shooting in New Zealand. I think we'll know definitively in the next 7-10 days. Let's pray it stays. Mike Fleming broke the story.
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here to run a little update on Harry's initial posting. He asked me to hunt down some photos of the cast while he concentrated on pressing BNAT business and I figured I'd run a little commentary as well.
Martin Freeman – Bilbo Baggins
This is the very best of the rumored Bilbos in my humble opinion. I mean look at him! He's a Hobbit. I was hoping Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy would be his break out role, but it didn't exactly hit that way. I've loved him since the original UK Office and I'm psyched to see him take on the role!
Richard Armitage - Thorin Oakenshield
I'm not familiar with this dude, but he played Guy of Gisborne in the BBC Robin Hood series and has a role in the upcoming Captain America flick. Remember before LOTR nobody knew who the fuck half the Fellowship was and they were all note perfect.
Aidan Turner - Kili
Aidan is one of the stars of the original UK Being Human, which is Being Remade... for us Yanks who don't get accents. He has an accent, so he can be in the movie. I approve.
Rob Kazinsky – Fili
A regular on the popular English Soap Opera, EastEnders. Don't be worried, he also has a role in the upcoming George Lucas production Red Tails.
Graham McTavish – Dwalin
McTavish is known for being a hardass, playing a Russian in Season 8 of 24 and playing that tough Merc in RAMBO... he's also a big voice actor, having voiced Marvel characters in cartoons and video games... He has been Loki and Sebastian Shaw. Losties will remember him as Desmond's tough drill sergeant in the episode The Constant.
John Callen – Oin
This dude is hard to track down, hence lack of picture. I do know he just played a character called Professor Craddock in a New Zealand flick starring Rhys Darby (Murray from Flight of the Concords). So Kiwi hire? Probably.
Stephen Hunter – Bombur
He's a relatively unknown guy with little other than TV work on his resume. But he looks the part, no? I buy that dude as a dwarf.
Mark Hadlow – Dori
A New Zealand regular who had a bit part in King Kong, been on Xena and most importantly was the voice of Robert (Wobert), Barry the Bulldog and Heidi the Hippo from MEET THE FEEBLES!
Peter Hambleton – Gloin
I love Gloin and I have no earthly idea who this guy is, but he's got character to his face, even in that low res shoddy pic.
Them's the dwarves we know of and one new Hobbit. Can't wait to hear who else is in... the biggest character I'm hoping is returning is scenery. Come on Warner Bros, don't puss out on this. New Zealand is Middle Earth. Fact. This is a no brainer if the Unions have already backed down. Watch the below video if you want to see a passionate (and pissed off) Peter Jackson. I wish we could say "goddamn" without a second thought in our political discourse stateside...
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to find our long forgotten gold.
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First for such cool news?
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CRAZY DELICIOUS!
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can't wait.
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Hot damn.
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As for the rest of the cast, not familiar with them.
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But if they fit the roles properly, then great. Nothing would have been worse than the "safe-minded" Hollywood tradition of casting some big movie star as Bilbo.<P>Could you imagine Tom Cruise as a hobbit, or The Rock playing one of the dwarves?
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Totally funny and genuine dude.
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I can't wait for this movie and I hope to God they film it somewhere other than NZ so that the upstart union gets what's coming to them.
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FREEMAN FTW!!! What's the story with Gandalf? Izzit gonna be Magneto?!
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Hows come no Maoris got cast as leads - yet again?
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PJ interview on TV last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoUN2AGxrnA
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Oct. 21, 2010, 9 p.m. CST
Still have zero interest in this movie.
by The Gospel According to Bastardface
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commence office jokes
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I am sure ol PJ has tons of unused footage of the mountains and valleys, he could film in West Va fer cryin out loud and make it look like Helms deep
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...they seem to be going awfully young for a lot of the Dwarves...maybe they were worried about being stuck with a movie full of old geezers and turning off the kiddies. Not all the Dwarves are old by Dwarf standards, but I dunno...they still usually come across pretty grizzled by human standards.<P> Hope they don't put too much shit on their faces. I thought Gimli was one of the main weak points in the LOTR movies...all hamming it up, and stiff, and plastic looking crap all over his face. The brief shot of the Dwarf Lords wasn't great either.<P> Dwarves got shitty treatment in LOTR, so I worry a little about them in HOBBIT. I was hoping they'd get James Cosmo (Hamish's dad from BRAVEHEART) and an bunch of his Scottish drinking buddies...
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What's the next classic sci-fi/fantasy book adaptation Freeman should do?
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Great casting, Freeman is perfect, Rob Kazinsky is intresting as the only thing I`ve seen him is Eastenders. This film finally looks like its happening, Shame Del Torro is not Directing thou I Still pray Ron Pearlman Shows up in this lol
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Wow, it's really starting to move forward now. Richard Armitage as Thorin is a big surprise...but I'm definitely interested to see how that turns out. Could be really, really cool.
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Any movement on that? Just a rumour, perhaps?
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They better have McKellen in a full body suit made of marshmallows!
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Would be the best fuckin' Dwarf. Lord of all Dwarves fo' sho.
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I don't like how the press release uses words like "rounding out the company of dwarves" and "completing the cast." There's thirteen dwarves, dammit!
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Oct. 21, 2010, 9:17 p.m. CST
Middle Earth should be filmed in Middle Kingdom - China!
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
Fuckin Jackie Chan as Bilbo!
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Best surprise eyes, ever!
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hooray! the battle of five armies is going to own you...joyous news
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Hugo, Andy and Sir Ian have all stated their intent to return, with Sir Ian being the most vocal about it. They all have plans to come back.
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David has been mentioned a few times, I think they're looking for him to do SOMETHING...same with another former Doctor Sylvester Mcoy, he apparently has been going around telling people he is playing Radagast, but this is not confirmed.
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I am certain that there will be 13..but I think some will only have very bit parts..I cannot see them juggling 13+ character into the main narrative.
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I really hope he's NOT the voice of Smaug. That role belongs to someone with a bit more regalness and menace (i.e. Ian McShane).<P>However, I can see Pearlman in the role of Beorn...that seems almost tailor made for him.<P>And some random Talkbacker recommended Michael Fassbender for the role of Bard. That's a pretty heads-up and spot-on choice right there.
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Yup, still 2 movies, sadly in 3D, and hopefully shot in NZ. WB bigwigs will be flying down there to asses the situation with the actors unions, see Peter's work, and decide to stay or go...I am hoping Peter can convince them to stay..much like he convinced New Line to let him do his thing back in 1999-2000.
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Apparently someone familiar with the LOTR 'family' is doing that role..dunno who..
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I am WITH YOU on McShane as Smaug. Great choice.
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That's a terrible choice for Bilbo. We all know there are no black people in Middle Earth.
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Martin Freeman.....nuff said. Amazing!
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Howdy, sir! Good to see you. That's an interesting tid-bit. Do you think it might be someone like Simon Tolkien?<P>Hey is your site down now due to this news? Heh.
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Hell yeah. Gospel, brother.
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I always knew he had it in him, Jeebus! ;)
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But we don't really need to, do we? They'll all get tossed around by the makeup department!
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I don't know any of these actors. At least not by name.
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Wouldn't that be awful....
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I think they meant LOTR Movie 'family', not the actual Tolkien fam. Nice to see you too!
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So is he in?
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Which gets me fairly excited because given the hype, you can imagine all the big names who had expressed involvment, boycotts and delays or not.
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Thank you baby Jesus!!!
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Ah, I see what you mean. I was thinking it might be someone from the actual family (I think Simon may have played a Gondorian soldier in ROTK...).
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Super. Army. Dwarf.<P>Make is happen, PJ!
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in the history of the cinema now has the no name cast to equal it. I had a vision as I stared at this list of names, a vision of 500 million dollars flying off like angry bats into the distance, never to be seen again. I'm surprised the producers couldn't find room for Michael Cera.
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Bloody typos.
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@poxyvonsinister there are 12 dwarves in total, 13 in the party inc Bilbo, but yeah they better be casting four more to fill the void there. @ Mr. Nice Gaius. Fassbender was reported by a site a few days back as being up for a role and I think Bard would be perfect for him
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the others look promising. looking forward to it!
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I cannot think of a better actor to play Bilbo. Not familiar with most of the others, though, but Jackson did great the first time around.
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Ha ha! He sucks but Martin Freeman is inspired casting. Maybe PJ can get a less stary, wooden performance out of Kazinsky than Enders or The Real Hustle did.
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TheOneRing.net is completely fried..and I have bios and pics to post too! Sadness..
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Spot on! I love him and think he's perfect for the role! I'm glad that so many of you other guys and gals think so, too!
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no Blessed or Cox (so far)<P>I mentioned this in THE ZONE but the only actors I really want to see in these movies in some form are the Brians (Blessed and Cox) and Christopher Plummer. Ideally Cox would have been Thorin, Blessed as Beorn, and Plummer as Radagast
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... often forgotten (by me, anyway) but ALWAYS awesome! He needs to do more work other than his Shakespeare stuff in Stratford, Ontario. He's fantastic.
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No pictures of or links to profiles for each actor? Am I supposed to google each one manually god damn
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The Dwarf cast seems pretty young. I always imagined them as older like Gimli. I guess this is where makeup comes in? Or is this the 'Young Guns' of Middle Earth?
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I agree, I don't think I've ever seen a bad performance out of of Plummer. Even if it's one short scene with him and Lee and McKellen
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...from BRAVEHEART) should play any or all of the Dwarves.
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Love the dude but he's gonna need a lot of makeup to look like a dwarf. Might even need to chop his legs off, the guy looks huge onscreen. <br> <br> What confuses me is that I swear that not 2 weeks ago I saw Freeman saying he had other commitments and there was no way he would be available for THE HOBBIT. Contract brinkmanship?
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isn't a no-name cast a GOOD thing? It shows that the filmmakers are looking for the actors who are right for the roles, not celebrity draws. Look how many of the LOTR cast were no-names!
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The Hollywood Reporter article on this says they're going to be reprising their roles, so...who knows. Was kind of hoping they'd do some sort of reverse-aging computer gimmickry on Ian Holm, but Martin Freeman is one of my favorite people, so I'm excited about this!
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It's going to be pretty difficult watching Arthur Dent play Bilbo, but... whatever.
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Nah...Sauron lost his mortal, "fair form" in the destruction of Numenor (The Akallabêth). From then onward, his form / spirit was of darkness and shadow.
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Okay, yeah... that really has no basis in anything. Can't really imagine wrinkly old dwarves and wizards sticking their bumpy noses out into 3D-land....
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Oct. 21, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST
Jackson should have McTavish do all his Rambo lines as Dwalin!
by DougMcKenzie
Dwalin to Bilbo: "Oh dear, you really are an uptight bastard, aren't you? You can drop the thousand-yard stare. I've seen it all before, and I'm not impressed." or Dwalin to Smaug " Gutless fuck! Come and have a go at me, you lady-boy cunt!"
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if it's anything like the other movies.
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I figure Ian McKellan is still returning for Gandalf, but Lee is still important.
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Oct. 21, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST
I just watched that TVNZ Close Up interview w/ Jackson...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...(and Boyens) and boy is he PISSED! This whole Australian union thing is fucking insane.
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...pay $200 for a celebrity autograph, BrainDrain.<P>Zing!
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Zing X 2!
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Great to see Freeman is officially involved. And I never realised Richard Armitage was in this, quite enjoy him in Spooks.<p> Admittedly, the rest of the casting seems to lack any names - where are the John Rhys Davies and the Hugo Weavings? And it seems they've yet to confirm McKellen, Serkis etc.
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Casting is great!!! BUT PLEASE GET IAN MCSHANE AS THE VOICE OF SMAUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oct. 21, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST
Just film this in BC Canada. Oh and Jackson and Shore=Awkward
by ndally
much better looking vistas. I'm not from there but damn it's alot more mystical looking in my opinon. I find the production values(besides some FX work) in the LOTR films to be lacking. The stunts and sets looked like exactly that stunts and sets, they should be pretty seamless. I duno just move the production somewhere in North America, we could use the jobs. Oh and I wonder how awkward it'll be for Jackson to work with Howard Shore after dumping his King Kong soundtrack. Pretty awkward I'm guessing
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Starfucker.<P>ZING!!!!!!!!!!
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Ian Mcshane gravely voice sitting on giant pile of treasure
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... played by Alan Ford.
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Only two pieces of casting I really care about. Freeman is a great choice, have to wait and see on Smaug (hopefully it's not Serkis or John Rhy-Davies).
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... played by Vinnie Jones.
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Awesome casting.
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ndally, the LOTR sets are some of the best, most detailed sets I've ever seen on film. they have just about unprecedented levels of detail. just watch the bonus features.
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Deadline is also reporting that Stephen Fry & Saoirse Ronan are up for roles. And...that Bill Nighy may possibly be voicing Smaug.
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... played by the "first" posters.
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Oct. 21, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST
Here is the problem if they don't film in New Zealand:
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Further delays. They've been in pre-production now for about 2 years which means that they have already started building sets and choosing outdoor shooting locations. If they move to the UK, Eastern Europe, Canada or the US, then I assume they will have to scout for locations all over again. While they may have the interior sets for stuff like Bag End, Gollum's Cave, and the House of Elrond, they lose all those familiar and beloved exteriors for places like Hobbiton, Rivendell, et al.
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Right.
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Any word on that?
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reason people see dese pictures is to bear witness to de undraped female form. Or something like that. So when do we get that Denham movie with Jack Black? Ever since you announced that I get chills just thinking how crazy he is and how he'll stop at nothing to bring you wonders from skull island. What terrors from Skull Island will Denham bring back next? At least do a game if you've shelved the movie. He needs to bring the weevils to the public
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Or was it Verne Troyer....?
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I can't see how this film could be a flop in any way. Aren't the LOTR films some of the highest grossing?
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but I have no fucking idea about any of these guys. I'm sure they'll be great.
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Maybe Liv Tyler will be back to fall in a river in her elvish nightgown, if we're lucky.
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But GOLLUM and the EVIL ONE crept up and slipped away with herrrr herr. herrr her, herrr her, yeah......
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I hope he lives to see this through. Death warmed over.
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Hmm?
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everyone watch it now
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That way I won't disapointed once it's evident it won't live up to the first trilogy. I'm sure I'll still enjoy it. Still waiting on the extended edition blurays to drop.
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Jackson is really pissed and he looks like he's about to blow a gasket out of cumulative frustration.
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Ian IS the fucking smaug in Deadwood!!
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perfect
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perfect
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Which would be awesome as long as the guys who did the original are kept locked in an alternate reality until all 6 books of the trilogy have been completed.
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perfect
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And one of my hopes landing the role. As for the interview... NZ should be really worried losing this to Romania or Hungary, since it is a big money maker. The boycott may be off, but the WB is right to be worried...
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That's actually RAMBLE ON, not MISTY MOUNTAIN HOP. But Zeppelin kicks ass regardless. Yay for Freeman!!!
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Oct. 21, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST
Maybe all this adversity will strengthen the film
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
Just thinking in terms of how films made with no pressure end up feeling quite sterile. The pissed off Jackson might step it up more than he would have under more comfortable, less stressful conditions. Just a thought.
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Here again is the link originally posted by ANTS:<p>PJ interview on TV last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XoUN2AGxrnA
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I mean, congrats to him for losing that weight, but Christ, he looks almost sickly. Maybe it's just stress, but god damn. I hope he's ok.
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SMAUG. I can get behind that choice.
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Running a mini film empire must be rough.
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Interesting. Not that I knew of Mortenson or Bloom or Boyd or Monaghan or Wenham or Urban or Otto or Noble or Hill or Serkis either... Most of the unknowns (or little knowns) went on to truly own their roles, so here's hoping for a repeat.<p>I'm glad they made the logical choice and went with Martin Freeman. Now let's get Ian McKellan and Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving back and film some Christopher Lee before he goes the way of sitcom parents.
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And she will single-handedly destroy the New Zealand film industry. They're going to the UK, mark my words.</p><p>As for casting, it all looks good.
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The man does NOT look well. Eat a goddamn cheeseburger Pete!
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Peter!! Lachy Hulme IS Bard!!
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He's a different guy in these recent interviews: tweaked and a little labored in his breathing. Either he's on drugs or he is on the verge of a breakdown. It looks like a lot more than just being angry. Hope he's ok.
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Gotta have the real Saruman, period.
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What, does nobody watch Spooks/MI-5? He plays Lucas North. But I first saw him a few years ago in "North & South".
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I hope so.
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I can't see how Martin Freeman can film a second series of that and this; I'm guessing he's out then. Shame. Oh, and Richard Armitage's character is looking even more doomed in Spooks...
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king of voice actors
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was actually very good, the actor himself wasn't so hot but as Smaug he was great. As was brother theodore as Gollum.
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Some of you may know him as the distinctly odd Merlin from Boorman's Excalibur. He narrated an amazing version of The Hobbit in the early 1970s equivalent of an audio book. I must have heard him do all the different voices hundreds of times as a nipper. He did the trolls as cockneys, goblins as Eastern Europeans, and distinct accents for the wood elves as compared with those of Elrond's kin. Only Stephen Fry comes close to Nichol when it comes to narration skills.
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Quite enjoyed that I did.
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Peter Jackson and all the people who worked on The Lord Of The Rings trilogy did an outstanding job. It's stupid for a studio to not have the confidence in them again. Just let them get on with it.
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YOU ARE NOT A GENIUS!
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Nice one, for anyone outside of the States there are some well known names there. martin Freeman who everyone knows, but Richard Armitage (ask any female between the ages of 10 and 90 in the UK about him and they'll just melt into a pool of drool), Rob Zaninsky - hell, he played a bloody Slater on Eastenders, again a household name in the UK. Quite why Being Human is being remade is beyond me (sadly it'll totally miss the pioint and be shit like 90% of UK to US remakes, The Office notwithstanding), and Aidan Turnerwas a huge part of that. As for the rest, I guarantee that Kiwi's will be more than familiar with them,. A great part of the success of LOTR was the fact that most of the cast were unknown to US audiences - No (Bilbo) baggage being brought to the roles.
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The studio (WB) does have confidence in the filmmakers, but not in the unions who could disrupt filming during what is essentially a half a billion dollar investment. With all the legal wrangling over the past years I think they want to start rolling the film and not worry until the wrap party about whether they will make their release date in time. From a business perspective the WB argument makes sense, from an actor's perspective they know the movies will make a fortune so why not share in the wealth and as for the filmmakers... Well, they might be forced to abandon their home country if WB says so (I dearly hope that they stay in NZ, but geography is not the most vital element in these movies. With all the digital wizardry Weta can do, they can easily do some second unit stuff in NZ and shoot all actor related first unit stuff in London or even on the WB backlot). These movies will get made, but it's just a matter now Where they will be made...
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But Martin Freeman as Bilbo is perfection. Couldn't be happier with that. Good to see Richard Armitage in the cast too as he's just a splendid fellow.
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That's what he'll eventually make. The money well is still deep, Pete!
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He would be perfect.
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going to be cast in this. Any roles left for him?
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Those guys are pretty dwarfy. And not shabby actors, to boot.
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Seems like a good fit.
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...will both be great. as will freeman of course.
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I'm not seeing this. He's a dick in interviews and has expressed disdain for fantasy flicks in the past. Also his performance is a one note riff on Gervais. I'm writing this movie off now.
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Seriously, check out Johnny Mnemonic and you'll understand...
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After all that The Hobbit has had to go through to even get green lit, it's now in jeopardy to give us the LOTR Middle-earth scenery because of some greedy unions. Unions in the 21st century = curse for workers.
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Have to say, pre Sherlock I'd have dreaded seeing MF cast as Bilbo, but his work on that series was fantastic, a whole new area of gravitas and not being Tim-ness. As for the rest of the cast of Brits, that probably aren't known in the US, I'll vouch for them all, every one of them is turning out work that is better than the show they are in, with the exception of Aidan Turner, who just happens to be in an excellent show in Being Human. This flick is gonna fly.
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You listening Jackson?
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get a cameo? Or perhaps they will dump Enya and allow him to sing over the end credits?
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I'm with Nice Gauis, the role of Balin will be highly important. He needs to be a strong, true and likeable character, but also memorable enough in a cast of 14 to stand out and create a resonance for the scene in LOTR where we find out he is dead.
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I'd also love to see Tom Baker in there as a wizard. Wasn't he rumoured along with Sylvester McCoy? I'd also like to see Brendan Gleeson and Bill Bailey.
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Skinny Peter Jackson just does not look happy at all. Were is the fat Peter that we all know and love? That skinny guy is an imposter.
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Assbender as Bard. Sean Astin as Beorn.
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Watching Martin Freeman act is like watching paint dry, he's no Ian Holm. Sorry but I hated him in HHGTTG, he killed it for me with his one level performance. Richard Armitage is TERRIBLE in Robin Hood, wtf is going on with the casting of this movie? Aidan Turner is great, but he's playing a dwarf? Rob Kazinsky?!!!! Fucking East Enders!? Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. Not impressed by this news at all.
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MARTIN FREEMAN as Bilbo... after seeing him in SHERLOCK recently In say YES!<p> He played a fantastic Dr Watson, really great in that role. And in mnay ways Bilbo is the same archetype. Bilbo plays the blustering, bothered Watson to Gandalf's 'answer for everything' Sherlock.<p> I'd have felt better about that cast list if they'd also stuck in Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving - I take it these three are all 'in'?
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Thall, Freeman was weak in HITCHHIKERS I agree. But that whole film was weirdly weak. After a great opening song (so long and thanks for all the fish) it just cruised along in 2nd gear. Very limp movie.
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<p><p>"YOU FAAARKIN LADY BOY CUUUUUNTS!!"<p> Nice to see that RAMBO guy in it too!
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They didn't sound English in the LOTR, so they probably won't here either. Grrrrr!
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As the subject header says - Freeman confirmed, with quotes from Jackson. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11604193
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Very nice choice, imho.<p>That guy is way too underrated!
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CURSE MY TYPING 'TARDEDNESS!
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Guy's a fucking EXCELLENT actor. Great in ROBIN HOOD, funny in the final episode of THE VICAR OF DIBLEY, then did some solid work in CHRIS RYAN'S STRIKE BACK and currently doing great work in SPOOKS. It'll be a shame he's out of the UK for a couple of years - he's one of our best actors at the moment. Does this mean the end is nigh for John / Lucas North in SPOOKS though?? The Spud called it first...<P> Nice to see some love for Rob Kazinsky, too. He was better than his material in EASTENDERS, and he's got that Joaquin Phoenix look about him where he could be the heroic lead, the romantic lead or the villain - all because he has a face you can't quite read. This is a DAMN good start to THE HOBBIT, for sure...
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Flicka, dude I agree i'd have thought that Hamish guy from BRAVEHEART would be a lock-in for one of the dwarves. If I was him i'd be firing my agent right about now for not getting a part.<p> I doubt 'Sir Peter', as he now seems to be, has even got spare time to take a shit right now but in the hope that someone from the production might read this i'd also agree that they shouldn't stick too much latex on these actors faces.<p> You can tell from the mugshots that these actors already 'look' like dwarves. Just give them beards and pigtail wigs but don't go overboard with the facial latex. They don't need it and it hurts their ability to act.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 5:19 a.m. CST
Hahaha, I love how Jackson's caption in that vid is 'Hobbit Dire
by henrydalton
Yes, yes he is.
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'Hobbit Director'. Damn cutoffs.
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The beginning bit where Ian Home finds the ring will they change that with Martin Freemen? And where Gandalf says you haven't aged a day, will they take that bit out now?
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<p>Christian Bale as Bard.<p> Come on Warner Bros - you've got a lot of unknowns and you need a big name to help sell this flick.<p> When Smaug's burning up Lake Town and you've only one arrow left you need a professional that's not easily distracted.<p> BALE is BARD!<p> The campaign starts (and probably ends) here.
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You're my hero. Keep it going, mate!
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Fan-fucking-tastic! This is starting to look really good.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST
Roll A D20 For A Saving Throw Against Diminishing Returns
by LaserPants
Ask any random morbidly obese guy in a cloak stained with cheese doodle dust how it turns out.
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for musician, comedian and actor bill bailey. starred in blackbooks, panellist on never mind the buzcocks and was in hitchhikers with martin freeman and he auditioned for the role of gimli of gloin.
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to replace new zealand as the hobitt's location. The hobbit movie has a price tag of about 500 million.
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have the immorality of unions demonstrated as an object lesson right in front of their own eyes yet cannot learn from it.
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a loooong time ago. Cuz I remember agreeing Freeman would be great. Could have been on a Snakes on a Plane TB tho, the way these threads go sometimes. Too lazy to search.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST
I see they've gone in the younger direction for Thorin
by performingmonkey
While it kind of makes sense I always envisaged someone more like Brian Cox in that role. Richard Armitage isn't too young or anything, and has a presence about him. This effectively means they're gonna play it that this is a fresher band of dwarves taking back what is theirs. Fili and Kili are going to work as the Merry and Pippin-like double act, mark my words. Robert Kazinsky will be great at comedy. Martin Freeman IS this universe's Bilbo. If you think of him as playing the younger Ian Holm Bilbo it definitely works without a shadow of a doubt! Glad they didn't go for someone in their early 20s or anything as it wouldn't have worked at all. Martin has that youthful spirit about him even though he's nearly 40. He is 100% right for this.
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IAmLegolas called it in 2007 when HHGTTG came out.<BR><BR>Someone else may have called it sooner but I was surprised to see how long ago it was! <BR><BR> http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/34095#comment_1694602
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Frankenblogger also said this in 2006! <BR><BR> http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/30806#comment_1326989 <BR><BR> I'm impressed!
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It was always his role to lose. If there was ever someone born to play a role, it's this. I seriously doubt anyone else was ever really in the running. <p>And fuck the unions - move it to Ireland. They have talked themselves out of a job (as unions always do, eventually). Ireland will give the production *massive* tax breaks, since it will send their tourism revenues through the roof.
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He's freaking important. Leads that dwarf regiment into Moria to take it back, only to get slaughtered right? That's his tomb that Gimli stood on in FOTR, right?
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so much as everyone else appears too, but i do really like the guys acting, i'm completely behind the choice ...the other casting choices seem solid too...just happy they're getting the chance to make it really...
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No mention of boobies in the book whatsoever - not even in passing, or by metaphor - which is a shame. However, I expect to see some female characters injected in a'la Arwen, so whatever boobie potential there is, is down to Jackson. I suggest you start lobbying him ASAP. <p>Me, I've got my fingers crossed for elf boobies - but some people on this forum might prefer some dwarf boobies. Your call.
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Pwn elvish boobies. Oh wait, wrong board.
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<p>Boobies. Maybe the women of Lake Town like to go skinny dipping?<p> You've gotta find something to stretch this thing out to two movies, and boobies are the answer.
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Unions are not the problem. The problem here is human greed, as usual.
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pushthebuttonmax, I expect THE HOBBIT will end with the dwarves slapping each other on the back and saying;<p> "What you going to do now Balin?"<p> "Me? Well, I've heard THE MINES OF MORIA are nice around this time of year. I'll send you a postcard. Cheerio!"
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and we have a booming reputation in the computer games industry.
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...if it weren't for him playing opposite McKellen in X-Men.
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Motivated self interest is the only moral value. Any other stated goal is a lie. Unions embody irrational self destruction under the guise of altruistic mysticism. The point of a union is to attempt to over value the goals of the collective (unions in this case) and is exactly why do no business with companies that deal with unions unless there is no other choice. Unions are the very definition of the mindless mob.
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I will settle for nothing less....well, maybe Tom Waits :P
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I quite agree - Boobies are the clear answer to the problem of how to draw out the Hobbit script into two films. Let's face it - a generation of geeks cracked one out into a sock watching Arwen in FOTR - imagine what they'll do watching the Elven-King's daughter dancing topless in a waterfall?
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Seriously? Come on! This is terrible news, terrible. He CANNOT ACT and his character will carry the film!!!! Hope they shoot his first scene and PJ realises he's made a giant fuck up imediately and fires him.
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....except for Aragorn, Frodo, and Sam. Y'know, just the minor players.
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I hope he lives through the production of 2 more movies. Man, I miss the plump, four eyed, happy PJ.
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Freeman just had to accept the offer! Truly inspired casting....well we all wanted him anyhow, but the rest of the cast!?! I really cant wait for this, top British Talent at its best! Innocence overwhelms me, the cold light of day never upon my ... on Twitpic http://t.co/tgmgrDb
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There are a few times in your career when you come across an actor who you know was born to play a role, but that was the case as soon as I met Martin. He is intelligent, funny, surprising and brave - exactly like Bilbo and I feel incredibly proud to be able to announce that he is our Hobbit." - Sir Peter Jackson. The right person is directing this film. This will EXCEED Lord of the Rings. U heard it here first.
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That's inspired. Sounds perfect DT.
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...for Smaug!!!!!!!
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When? Never made me laugh once, all he does is mope about looking pissed off. Crap as Dent, crap in Hardware. Crap. Do not see his apeal AT ALL. Way to kill the movie.
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That would've been cool.
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He's playing Lord Mormont (the Night's Watch Commander) in HBOs Game of Thrones so doubt he's available. He should be great in that though.
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The rumors that Kili and Fili would be female have turned out to be wrong. If they made any of the dwarves female it would kill it for me immediately. But there will be some new female characters and I don't mind. Someone said the Elven King's daughter? Yup. She and Bard will get lovey dovey like Aragorn and Arwen in LOTR. She'll also help Bilbo and the dwarves escape from the Wood Elves prison.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 8:07 a.m. CST
YA know, I actually forgot...
by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview
... that The Hobbit had the Seven friggin' Dwarves in it. I always thought that was lame... even as a kid when my parents read the book to me.
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a good vibe from the casting. Then again, I wasn't too worried, from the beginning. So far, it looks spot-on. Now...My question is, once PJ is done with 'The Hobbit' saga, will he be moving on to 'Bored of the Rings', as well? I've been waiting for the film adaptation for years.....
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There are 13 dwarves in Thyorin's gang. And this is great news. I only hope they manage to keep it in New Zealand. I'd be glad to see it shoot in the UK but unhappy with the reasons.
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Typo - Thorin
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Please, please slip the Hat FM into a shot or two. Please please
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Based on the awesome job he did casting LOTR, I knew Jackson wouldn't disappoint amd he didn't. Particularly Martin Freeman as Bilbo; he's note perfect for it.
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the movie will look like a gay parade with dwarfs.the talkbackers above are correct,we need pussy in this film,just to balance things.but NO female dwarf,jesus no.
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Quiz!
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Who the fuck are you, some New Line marketing executive worried about the demographics?
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someone who wont be surprised when PJ will add a,non existent in the book,love story in the movies.
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It can be less epic, more intimate and tighter as the focus is not the huge themes of good battling evil, but on the development of a single, endearing character. I can understand their wanting to tie into the LOTR but they should never take the focus away from the center story. They should be careful of over developling the White Council stuff.
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Yeah, the workers are to blame. Not the greedy, souless CEOS who rule over them, deny them healthcare, and terrorize them daily. What the hell is wrong with the world where you faux-anti-establishment neocon brownshirts worship the rich while they spit in your face and steal your money? Ridiculous. WAKE UP!
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Laserpants, um... did you actually watch the clip about the union dispute in this article?<p>I suggest you do so and then come back here for a helping of humble pie.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 9:21 a.m. CST
I've never read The Hobbit.
by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW
Are there no female characters?
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He's brilliant in everything he's in.
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I'm all for Ian McShane playin' the role of that fuckin' dragon and the like. He's a handsome cocksucker...if I do say so my own fuckin' self.<P>Now, a story about a tiny hobbit hooplehead, a pointy-hat wearin' cocksucker, and 12 dirt worshippin' heathen dwarves. Could almost be a movie about specialty acts...
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...over your AVATAR/TIN CUP stuff the other day...<P> And yes, even Tolkien could be improved by a liberal garnish of boobies. Hell, when I was a kid I lusted after the Mary figurine in my parent's nativity set. If Mary can tart it up, so can Galadriel.<P> Lady Of The Wood indeed.
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where are the rest??
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He looks exactly what Curt Cobain would look like today, until he opens his mouth. Weird. Plus he looks like he lost even more weight.
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Yeah, I was really disturbed when I saw that video of him last night. He almost looks deathly ill, but I imagine that's a result of all this union hogwash. When I saw that bitch get interviewed after him I almost punched my screen.
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..have since I was 12, and as always the casting looks spot on but, I don't think this one's going to resonate with general audiences as much as the LOTR trilogy did--unless they add in more human characters.
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...if he needs to. I'm a lifelong reader and revere every word Tolkien wrote, but 13 is a lot of Dwarves, and the screen is only so big.<P> Most of them aren't really developed as characters anyway...I think the main reason for having so many was to get Bilbo good and flustered when they first crash is tidy Hobbit hole.
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Tolkien took the outline of plot and expanded it for the larger work. Both begin with a party in the Shire, then danger on the rode to Rivendell; journey under mountain to face orcs and something secret that lives under the mountain. This is followed by travelling through forests to an elven realm that is both beautiful but not entirely welcoming. From there they journey to the world of men and there are battles. Both have a mountain figure prominently at the center piece and culmination of the store. There, at the mountain, the hero confronts an old evil. Fire is involved. After all is over, the hero returns back to the Shire where he confronts some changes (not for the better) since they have left.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST
I could live with 7 dwarves, Flickapoo
by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole
If they chop 6 of the lesser dwarves it wouldn't affect the chemistry, indeed it would improve it because a tighter group = better character development. Just as long as they don't make any of them female! Hairy little women would kill my libido for a week.
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Tolkien took the basic outline of the plot for the Hobbit and expanded it for the LOTR.
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I expected nothing less from Team Jackson. This cast looks perfect and intriguing.
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...for good reason.
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but i´m not excited at all for this movie, even tough i´m a big fan of all middle earth related books. what gives?
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When did that happen?
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would be fuckin cool as hell, an adaptation of Beren and Luthien or Hurin. If anyone is interested, theres an audiobook of Children of Hurin read by Christopher FUCKIN Lee.
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...the less said the better.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST
HOLY CRAP!!! THAT'S RIGHT!!! WHERE ARE THE BLACK PEOPLE?!?!?
by ONeillSG1
THERE ARE NO BLACK PEOPLE IN MIDDLE EARTH!!! I JUST REALIZED IT!!! RACISM!!!!<br /> <br /> lol
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Your have to have 13 dwarves. Bilbo was selected to be the 14th of the company to get away from the number 13. Like the cast so far, but we'll see. I'd still like to see Doug Jones with a part.
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Comin atcha winter 2022.
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Anybody who recognizes the need to remove Tom Bombadil from the LOTR movies is all right by me. I am curious to see how he handles the tone of the Hobbit, and what gets expanded/dropped. A lot of the book could be interpreted as light-hearted adventure with Bilbo pulling one rescue after another (with talking Spiders etc.)
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And don't forget, the eagles come and save the day at the end of the both.<br><br> This has always been my fear, that The Hobbit is going to feel like LOTR-lite, or just more of the same. The Hobbit doesn't have the sense of dread and urgency (i.e. the end of the world) that LOTR has. But PJ will find a way. He must. He must find a way. <br><br> Gandalf says in FOTR (film) that Sauron cannot take real form yet, and he seems shocked by the very idea that Sauron is returning. How that works with any expanded subplot about the Necromancer will also be interesting to see.<br><br> They should make Balin a female and cast Grace Park.
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Literally.
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Too many dwarves?<p> If I recall for quite large stretches of the book, Bilbo and the dwarves are seperated.<p> Also I can imagine when they're all together Jackson could compose shots that have the dwarves 'huddled in the background' while Thorin / Bilbo / Gandalf converse in the foreground.
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this sucks
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...you know what I'd love to see? Some sort of movie/series/collection/show or something of history, legends, and myths of Middle Earth...all treated differently. Sort of a Jim Henson's STORYTELLER or ANIMATRIX in Middle Earth and for adults.<P> Some could be live action, some could be animated or experimental mixes of live action, animation and puppetry...<P> Never happen, but I'd love to see it.
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No seriously, whoever they cast will be right, and the Bilbo/Smaug encounter is going to own.<br><br> Orlando Bloom cameo? PJ as a battle extra? Count on it.<br><br> Audience cheers on Gollum's first appearance? Put your money down. <br><br> 'The dwarves are all gay' jokes? They've already begun.<br><br> Line breaks in talkbalk comments? Can't get enough of them.
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I loved the BBC Robin Hood series. (well the first 2 seasons anyway) and Richard Armitage did an awesome job as Guy. I guarantee he'll be awesome in this. Anyone who hasn't watched Robin Hood yet from the BBC should head to netflix and check it out. They've got all 3 seasons on instant que.
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Not only is he mentioned in LotR, he's Bilbo's best friend among the Dwarves.
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...all along. This is very, very good news. As for the relative youth of some of the dwarf actors, I guess it makes sense. They have to serve as buddies/peers to Bilbo, similar to the way Merry/Pippin/Sam were peers to Frodo in LOTR.
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...in HOBBIT, just that (even as a Tolkien devotee) if Jackson felt the need to cut a few I wouldn't stone him for it.
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I saw Harry at the Blanton Museum in ATX yesterday checking out some Monets! :)
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For god's sake, Hobbit movie producers, DON'T FUCK UP SMAUG. Otherwise...Martin Freeman as Bilbo is EPIC!!!! Couldn't have made a better choice. Those other guys I'm not too familiar with, but like others here, I trust Jackson.
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Here's what he says about Hobbit vs. LOTR: There are some readers who see "The Hobbit" as a lesser work than "The Lord of the Rings." But Child is quick to take them to task. "This is patent nonsense," he writes. "[T]he two novels are simply entirely different beasts, one a vivid but fuzzily drawn tale, the reading of which feels like a warm hearth and a mug of mulled wine, the other a thrilling yet terrifying vision of a world in which nightmarish creatures of genuine evil vie to destroy that kind of comfortable existence." ALLL RIGHT!!!! THIS GUY GETS IT!!! And I hope that Jackson gets it - that he give the Hobbit the humor, the wonder, and the heart that graces the book. It's NOT LOTR and hopefully will not be twisted to fit that mold. But again..I trust Jackson...
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...has to be.
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Smaug obviously will speak, but the eagles and spiders? the eagles also spoke in LOTR but Jackson (wisely) decided to cut that out. So I don't think the eagles and spiders should talk in The Hobbit...its lighter in tone but still needs a bit of realism.
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Saw speculation about this at theonering.
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...Jackson made all the right decisions about that in the LOTR movies. Gandalf and the moth on Orthanc was one of my favorite bits, and isn't even from the book.<P> Yeah, eagles probably shouldn't talk. Spiders could have some sort of malevolent whisper similar to the Nazgûl.
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Perhaps he'll replace Richard Armitage!
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Obviously
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Yeah, because it's impossible to express being pissed off without that word.
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Talking crow. Kewl.
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A dragon actually talking, forming words with his mouth will look cheesy and childish...they should have him talking/projecting his voice through his mind. That would be way creepier!
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Rankin Bass' THE HOBBIT is *still* the best Tolkien related product or service ever offered. The LOTR movies pale in comparison. I hope there's LOTS of silly sing-a-longs! Yay!
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Oct. 22, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST
FINALLY A Reason For Obese Middle Aged Virgins To Continue Livin
by LaserPants
You know, if they're smart, they'd make THE HOBBIT into several films, perhaps one for each chapter. They'd make SO much money offa these people, they should really exploit it to the maximum amount possible... or, you know, make one 2.5 hour (tops) movie out of it, cut out the dumb stuff, and strive to make a good movie.
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I want to see those guys. I like the guy from RAMBO.
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Sharon Stone. No CGI. Seriously, have you seen that woman lately?
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hypnotic quality (in the Hobbit). Perhaps add seductive. Why not a woman voicing Smaug, perhaps Helen Mirren or Alice Krige.
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There are two UK actors that I have always pictured as dwarfs. Brian Blessed and Colm Meany.
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I'm excited about Freeman, who I've been championing since day one, but I've got to say that the most exciting casting news is HEIDI THE HIPPO!
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it always was in Tolkins mind anyway. Even England's geographical position on the world map indicates that England pretty much sits in the middle of the Earth, hence....wait for it....Middle Earth!
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how come when all the cast members supposed to return are mentioned, no one ever mentions Hugo Weaving's Elrond? They talk about Aragorn and he's not even in the book! Elrond actually has a major scene. Why is he never talked about?
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Hey, where are the black people at?
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...not really. Certain parts are. The Shire certainly is.<P> Places like the Misty Mountains were heavily influenced by a hiking trip he took to the continent...Switzerland I believe.<P>...and of course ultimately, it's an imaginary place, and very well described in its own right.
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..."today and tomorrow are yet to be said. To measure the mean-ing can make you delay.." Look at that compared to the Japanese card crap the kids have now. Is it any wonder we have so much more character than any of these little texting zombies? By the way is Glenn still alive?
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is that Cho from The Mentalist standing on the boat?
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its just for some reason Quint pisses me off when he keeps stating that "NZ is Middle Earth FACT"! No doubt that beautiful country portrayed it perfectly in The Lord of the Rings and I am aware 70% of it came from Tolkins imagination but his inspiration was predominantly England.
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England as the Shire would make Germany (to the east) Mordor, and America (to the west) the ethereal land that the Elves & co sail to at the end of LOTR?<p> However the map of Middle Earth certainly isn't a map of the real Europe, like Flicka says a mythical land with echoes to our own.
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One prob if they don't film in NZ would be finding a match for the Shire. You see quite a lot of outdoor stuff around Bag End in FOTR and if they film somewhere else it's going to be tricky finding a similar patch of ground.
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...Middle Earth is imaginary, but we know that when Tolkien started fooling around with the original SILMARILLION stories he saw himself as recreating a lost English mythology (supplanted by the Norman invasion I believe)...if we look at it that way, there would be at least a mythical/symbolic relationship to the real world.<P> Is England Valinor across the sea, and therefore Middle Earth is continental Europe?<P> There are several continent shifting cataclysms in THE SILMARILLION, LOST TALES, etc... Is England the more homely West coast of Middle earth (still attached to the continent), and Valinor a lost home of the gods in the Atlantis mold?<P> I'm sure somebody more scholarly than this humble poo flicker has worked it all out.
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"and America (to the west) the ethereal land that the Elves & co sail to at the end of LOTR?"<P> HA! The thought crossed my mind too, but had to be banished instantly. The thought of Gandalf, Galadriel, and co. facing the bureaucracy and indignities of Ellis Island after all they've been through is too much to bear.
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Is a lazy, fat, mean, and nasty bastard who just wants to roll around in his loot and be left alone. Richard Boone nailed it the first time around. If not Perlman, then someone else who is a complete prick.
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Rush Limbaugh
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Flicka, below is what the ancient Wikipedian scholars have to say on the subject, with some quotes from Tolkien too...<p> "Tolkien had written multiple times that Middle-earth is located on our Earth[1]. He has described it as an imaginary period in earth's past, not only in The Lord of the Rings (see Prologue[2] and Appendices[3]), but also in several correspondence letters[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13], estimating the end of the Third Age to about 6,000 years before his own time[14], and in N.W. Europe (Hobbiton for example was set in same latitude as Oxford)[15], though at times he would also described elements of the stories as a kind of "...secondary or sub-creational reality" or "Secondary belief" in replies to letters.[16][17][18]During an interview in January 1971, he stated "No... at a different stage of imagination, yes.", when asked about taking place in a different era.[19][20] However, he did nod to the fact that the series take place on Earth, "Oh yes, they're the same world. Most people have made this mistake of thinking Middle-earth is a particular kind of earth or is another planet of the science fiction sort but it's just an old fashioned word for this world we live in, as imagined surrounded by the Ocean."
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I guess it's the same with pretty much all fantasy lit. It's a re-imagined medieval time or unrecorded 'dark age', with castles and kings - but a monstrous dose of dragons and dwarves etc too.
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Personally I love all this fantasy, d&d type stuff. It builds on so many myths (and some truths) from our past. Elements from the greek gods and heroic battles, norse myths, witchcraft, paganism, stone circles, dragons and sea monsters, all in a big melting pot.<p> I think im right in saying that Tolkien was the first to apply that type of fantasy on a 'world' scale, rather than just geographically localised stories as most myths were.
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Bunch of young cute fellows. No women? BORING.
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...I knew most of that...it pretty much leaves us where we started...The Shire is in England, and the rest is an amalgamation.<P> It's less literal, but a little like Conan's Hyperborea...the real world in an imaginary, prehistoric past with different continental structure.
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I'm very curious to see how they manage to give all the various dwarves a moment in the camera - I have to admit that most of them blur together into this solid mass of dwarfdom in my memory of the book.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST
...Tolkien had some interesting ideas about the imagination...
by FlickaPoo
...he believed that God created the universe, and man was created in God's image...and that therefore imaginative creation was close to Godliness and almost a form of worship. <P> He liked to call it sub-creation. If God created man in his own image, and man created worlds in his imagination, then maybe man's imaginary worlds were in some sense part of divine creation and even "real" in some ideal sense.
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there... i said it!!! keep on pj! millions of fans are with you! i actually do not trust hellen kelley, just look her in the eye!
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Maybe you should all start hating minimum wage, too. Like the teabaggers.
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...[insert joke here]
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I've thought about this, and I'm still pleased that Martin Freeman got it. But The Brians (Blessed and Cox), Colm Meaney, James Cosmo, Ray Winstone, Brendan Gleeson and Gordon Kennedy would all have been excellent choices for the Dwarves.<p>Armitage should be good though, glad to see he's finally getting the big roles.
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it were to ever be released. It won't.
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Eh...not so much England as Europe is Middle Earth. Good article on the subject- http://www.bogost.com/blog/where_in_the_world_was_middle.shtml
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Sean Connery as Smaug. He has talking dragon experience on his resume.
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i cannot believe this shit is actually looking like it'll happen in my lifetime.
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Smaug, perhaps? Though I always imagined him to sound more sneering than Perlman's gravelly tones. Ian McDiarmid, for example.
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We need to stat focused on whats important here.
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because Rob Kazinsky is going to be in an upcoming George Lucas production? Is that a joke? If so, good one!
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Does this mean he is going to be killed off in the last episode of the current series of spooks/MI5? As 2 years filming is not going to fit!
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HOW COME THERE'S NO NEWS ON HIS TOP SECRET NEW CG PROJECT AND HIS NEW SANDCRAWLER SHAPED BUILDING?????
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What a mess this has turned into!
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Part of me hopes he stays, because he's awesome. However, they seem to be intent on turning Lucas North into a James Bond/Jason Bourne type, which totally goes against why I got into the show in the first place. So if he were to leave, it wouldn't be all bad, I guess.
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What the hell are you talking about? No really, I'd like to know.
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I love these worlds of fantasy that are similar to our medieval times but not actually set in any countries in our world, like LOTR or D&D. I've been looking around for similar stories that are Asian rather than European - anybody know of anything?
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That's right. Who says Lucas has run out of good ideas?
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Animation Express has an interesting interview with Heather Brown, a recruiter for Lucasfilm Singapore. In the interview she states that "Lucasfilm Singapore had recently been to India and the good news is that they are working on a top secret CGI feature film project." Now we all know that ILM does work for many movies, but since this is the animation team from Lucasfilm Singapore, does that mean the potential for something Star Wars? Hmmm...
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"RUSSELL BRAND to play the NECROMANCER" ...keep that wincing, winging twit faaaR away from this production. He almost ruined the recent Monty Python Documentary for me with his idiotic 'contributions'. Add him to a growing list of actor/celebs that would MUCH more interesting doing line readings ON FIRE.
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fuck that nasaly talking cunt rag
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This guy makes a much scarier dwarf. http://tinyurl.com/3yfzy9a
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If Russell Brand touches this film I'm out. Praying to god someone cool plays Bard.
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I don't know if he's right for Smaug. But I rather fancy him for the role of the Goblin King.
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if we are to accept that middle earth is our earth and shire is england?
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Oct. 22, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST
"nobody knew who the fuck half the Fellowship was and they were
by Like_the_groundhog_Phil
Bullshit. Viggo, Elijah, Liv, John Noble, and David Wenham all SUCKED. Assuming you had expectations based on reading the book.
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John Ryes Davies could play Gloin, as he was the father of Ghimli. I don't understand this anymore than I understand why Ian Holm isn't playing a 50 year old, fat, Hobbit named Bilbo, who, other than riding a barrel, does nothing particularly physical in the entire book. Quote Gandalf, to Bilbo 60 years after the events in the Hobbit, "you haven't aged a day". And he wasn't being 'nice'.
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That would be the Haradrimm, a swarthy race from the south.
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Has Alzheimer's disease and hardly knows who he is.
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Nothing sucks like dirty stinkin' Communists.
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people are mostly basing their hate on unions based off seeing a movie not being able to shoot in their preferred location, lol. <p> nothing serious
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But I understand the government's desire to keep it in NZ. Let's hope it works out for the best !
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casting celebrities in any of these roles would have been a mistake. i especially like their choice for bilbo, martin freeman is great and i think he'll have great chemistry with ian mckellan.
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I'll eat my own ass.
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Please o please...
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I like this casting too. Nice job, Pete!<p> Oh, and after watching that entire newscast, that union woman doesn't have a fucking clue. She really doesn't. She's got her head so far up her own ass that she can't see the light of day. The union should fire her immediately.<p> As for "The Hobbit," I can't wait to see where it might go.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST
Pretty good cast, but
by Christopher_Walken_Walks_Christopher_Reeves_Cant
Mark Hadlow looks like a retarded Malcolm Mcdowell.
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look at him, he's already got the look
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Hated the LOTR movies, LOVED the Hobbit cartoon. So I'm mixed to begin with. Freeman is a stellar actor. GREAT on The Office. Goofy, knows he has flaws, smart, driven to one cause (Dawn) and was just a good character. Should fit Bilbo fine. I hope the Hobbit isn't as unnecessarily as sweeping an epic as the LOTR movies. The cartoon film never bored me so this one shouldn't. Smaug will look great I'm sure and Martin Freeman is perfect. I just hope it is more than that.
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and Bill Bailey should be one of the dwarves.
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Maybe because Ian Holm is 80 freakin years old!!! And Bilbo does a heck of a lot more than ride a barrel. So no, playing a 50 year old Hobbit wouldn't work. <p>scaryskeleton, brilliant casting. Tom Waits all the way.
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It was such a great locale for Middle Earth in the LOTR trilogy, and since they've already started building sets, plus Hobbiton is already there anyways, it seems silly to pack up and go somewhere else.<P>Hell, New Zealand would have been good for exterior locations for the Halo movie that Jackson and Blomkamp were supposed to do a few years back. It is too bad that Halo isn't shooting simultaneously with The Hobbit. We'd have an awesome fantasy series and an awesome epic sci-fi series of films to look forward to over the next few years. Oh well.<P>The new skinny Peter Jackson is always a strange experience when I see pics or video of him now. For some reason, the jolly and portly PJ with glasses during the LOTR days is so iconic for some strange reason.
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It's not very imaginative. It seems like their primary concern with casting Bilbo was that he looked like Ian Holm ... that should really be way down the list of priorities. And several of the dwarves seem to be selected based on their facial similarities to the actors who played Merry and/or Pippin in the LOTR films. The guy they selected for Bombur looks a lot like the actor who played Sam. The only face that doesn't remind me of another actor from LOTR is the guy selected for Thorin (though that picture looks a little Aragornish). So, I'm going to throw out my first spark of unhappiness here ... it seems like they are casting backwards from the LOTR films, instead of doing their best to bring the story of The Hobbit to life on its own. Casting LOTR-ish faces is a bad sign.
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because I really haven't seen their kinds of faces before. And now that I think of it, Thorin reminds me of the actor who played Denethor. But I still like his face. He looks, in that photo, like a good Aragorn.
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And some people like Brendan Gleeson or Brian Cox, or even Brian Blessed, as some of the other Dwarves. Oh well, maybe Blessed can be Beorn.
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Tolkien based Middle earth on Europe only. If anything the Orcs would be the early German peoples. ( Cherusci, Franks, Bavarians etc ) <BR> The elves were something like the Danes<BR> The humans of Rohan were the Saxons and Gondor are the Normans, etc etc. It doesn't match up perfectly, but that's why it's fiction.
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Wow. Just...wow.
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No, I think Tolkien had stated (somewhere) that the Elves were more like angelic beings - they were a type of "perfection" that Man could never be. (They were, truly, not of this world.) Perhaps, only the peoples of Numenor, Gondor, and Rohan can be compared to that of the UK and Northern Europe.<P>As for the Orcs, it was clearly stated by Tolkien that they were Elves who had been corrupted and twisted by Melkor/Morgoth. They are NOT "black people" - they are/were beings that were turned from the light and subverted into darkness. And the notion that they were representative of the German people is something Tolkien would have scoffed at. He hated allegory and had no intention for the races of LOTR to be definitive representations of people/countries in the real world.
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That there is no Mirkwood sequence or spiders in the pre production or script???? Somebody better be fucking with me. Anyone on here heard this?
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...close. Tolkien thought of the Elves as un-fallen man...as in humans in the garden before eating the forbidden fruit. <P>More perfect, but less "earthy".
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got drunk during the barrel escape chapter. I am PRAYING that bit of hilarity makes it in. But I doubt it will.
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Freeman is a bit too obvious for me. I find him unconvincing as an actor. On the bright side, at least it's not that tosser McAvoy.<P> Evening Standard seemed to think it was being filmed at Leavesden. Makes sense since Warner own it and Crappy Potter has finished there now. I don't think it'll be any worse for not being filmed in NZ.
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This is exciting. The guy playing Thorin seems kind of young though.
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Oct. 22, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST
wasn't this supposed to be the most expensive movie ever?
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
what's with all these low-rent actors? I'm sure they'll mostly do a fine job, but still, who the fuck are these people? At least that guy from Rambo is a badass.
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Over 3 years ago, jesus. I lost the excitement momentum about two years ago for this. But it's The Hobbit, so it won't take long to get it rolling again.
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is a done deal, he was provisionally offered a deal about a day or two after the Jackson deal was confirmed a couple of weeks ago. <p>
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Proof why unions do not fucking work. Get the fuck out of the way
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I hope you aren't going to be a dick and quote "casting LOTR-ish faces is a bad sign" out of context for time immemorial. To remind you, instantly, what I meant, was that their looking to LOTR's actors and trying to cast faces similar to those ACTORS is a bad sign ... I'm not saying they shouldn't cast actors or faces that are appropriate to the LOTR story, just that if they are limiting themselves to faces that will be familiar JUST because they look like actors we have already seen, it will be a sign of creative cynicism. It remains to be seen if this is what is happening, but it's quite clear that it's what happened with Bilbo, ferinstance, when other things should have been foremost in their minds.
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THAT should be the stentorian voiceover (done by the erstwhile Sir Ian McKellen) for the teaser trailer. Then cut to the new Hobbits (all of 'em, however many) bouncing up & down on a Sealy Posturepedic mattress. Good product placement, followed by voiceover #2, by Vince Vaughn: "OK, they may be gay... but they're the men behind the men, and you always double down, even if it's not Vegas, baby!".
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He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What've YOU done???
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Agreed. Good description/explanation; you put it better than I did.
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Looking at that selection of actors, it never would've occurred to me in the million years that they were casting "LOTR-ish faces". (Especially when you consider that these guys are to be dwarves and will most likely have their faces obscured to some degree anyway.) Perhaps with the exception of Bilbo, but Freeman has been in the running since day 1.<P>BTW - how do you know (or why do you seek to infer) that they are limiting themselves to these so-called familiar faces? Considering the fact that they've casted relative unknowns who (some of which) happen to be friends or former collaborators with Jackson & Co., I'd think it's fair to say that they clearly have other things foremost in their minds (i.e. the right actors for the right parts).
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Oct. 23, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST
The most worrying thing about the hobbit films
by judge dredds fresh undies
is that PJ has pretty much been forced to step in as director and now if the production has to relocate he is going to be in another country where he doesn't want to be, directing a film he didn't really want to direct.
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I'm pretty sure they were more focused on casting people who are capable of playing dwarves and hobbits. Naturally, yes the actors would kind of resemble the same TYPES of characters that LOTR actors portrayed. I don't even know why I responded to this. Christ. Should that even be considered a valid complaint?
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...he can hit all the low frequencies required.
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The rest... I'm sure they're fine, but, beyond a few that stood out, who honestly cares about all the different dwarves? They could basically be anybody. I suppose the movie will give them more distinct roles and personalities?
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Seriously. Shut the fuck up. It's been 11 goddamn years. If you haven't matured beyond your rant crusade against whatever the fuck it was that you were ranting against then you officially suck as a human being.
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is like England (the Shire) and Western Europe. There are people from the south (Africa) and east (middle east). In Tolkien's wiring, the Earth was originally flat, and Valinor was situated to the west of Middle Earth. After the Numenorean men attempted to conquer it, however, the god Eru removed Valinor from the earth and made the world spherical. After that, only elves and certain others with permission would be able to find the route to Valinor. Others who sailed west would simply arrive back at where they started. The Americas are not Valinor. It would have been in the Atlantic between the Americas and Europe. I think Tolkien's world is supposed to be an earlier version of our own.
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Tolkien has said many times that Middle Earth is simply our Earth - but how long ago? Tolkien once said this: 'I imagine the gap [between the Fall of Barad-dûr and modern times] to be about 6000 years...' So there you have it, the events in LotR took place in Europe around 4000 BC.
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broink broink BLORK!!!
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I prefered the original actor from the pilot episode.
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Not sure if it's just the unkempt graying hair, but Pete looks damn exhausted, and I don't blame him. He's been kicking down doors to get this film made for two years with all kinds of roadblocks to barrel through. I just hope that things will eventually smooth out, and he'll return to being positive and cheerful Peter Jackson, again. Guy busts his ass to make some exceptional films, and deserves some smooth sailing. On an odd side note, I'd love to watch more videos like this because I'm finding the New Zealand accent very pleasing to my ears.
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Hence my comment above. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but can anyone really say with honesty that Rob Kazinsky doesn't look remarkably like Dominic Monoghan and Stephen Hunter like Sean Astin? Also, Mark Hadlow looks like Malcolm Macdowell, but he wasn't in LOTR.
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Oct. 23, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST
And dwarves (or did Tolkein use "dwarfs"?) don't look like hobbi
by bah
So it's not a general look thing.
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Oct. 23, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST
******CONFIRMED: Sylvestor McCoy (Dr Who) in "THE HOBBIT"*******
by The Marquis de Side 3
He plays Radagast the Brown. Very happy for him. Read here: http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/
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MAKE IT SO, PEOPLE!
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Awesome news.
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Don't see him in enough these days.
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the bourne of the internet
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mcshane would be an ok second, but fry would be perfect.
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Too much bad mojo. First trying to work out a deal with the Tolkien family. Then Del Toro quits. Then Jackson is forced to make the movie. Now we got New Zealand unions/whatever messing things up. When is it going to end?<br><br> I fear that once this movie comes out (if it does) it will be a total disaster...
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of the project dies or is involves in a accident.
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C'mon! Please!
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I always got the impression that Beorn was an extremely big muscular man in his prime, probably no older in appearance than someone in their 40's. A "big gay bear" you could say, and that actually describes him on multiple levels. Maybe Brian Blessed circa 1980, on steroids, but not the fat old man Blessed of today.
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There's always the rumour that Beorn has been written out of the script and replaced by Radagast. Sounds plausible considering Beorn's chapter is ridiculous and retarded to the extreme. Bipedal talking dog butlers? Ponies and sheep that lay tables and sort the dinner out? It makes Babe: Pig in the City look like Schindler's fucking List.
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...but it would probably be for the best to cut him out of the movie. Reads fine, but hard to picture in a movie...especially with the tone they've set up thus far.
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Oct. 24, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST
Yamato--interesting idea, re: female Smaug voice
by soma_with_the_paintbox
I think Linda Hunt would be too cliche actually, but maybe someone LIKE her, who can inject a bit of androgynous mystery into the voice. I think it would also be interesting if they went the WATCHMEN route--a very powerful character manifest in actions and aspect only; his voice is rather mild and unassuming. Billy Crudup's performance was one of the few bright spots in that movie. Something similar could work for Smaug.
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good choice. that would work.
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to turn smaug into some androgynous, whispery, ninja dragon. kinda creepy. you guys belong to some fetishist club?
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That's fucking retarded. What do you do then to replace the ultimate badassness that occurs when he shows up in bear form at the battle of the five armies at a crucial point and starts reeking fucking havoc? Huh?
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It's possible they'll combine Beorn and Radagast into one character - that is, they'll give Radagast the power to transform into a bear. BTW, since Radagast is now in, that certainly means Saruman is in as well, no?
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Should they have pointy ears? What do you think? :-|
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for major of Lake Town!
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Lose the talking animals. Also, Smaug is a giant dragon and should thus have a male voice.
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why not? creeeepy in the cartoon. Of course that was a million years ago I saw that. Of course I wouldn't put it past Jackson to hamfist it and make it too goofy Del Toro could have pulled it off.
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They are expanding the White Council bit where Gandalf leaves the dwarves at the edge of Mirkwood. This also means we should get Saruman, Galadriel, Radagast, Glorfindel, Cirdan and others as they figure out how to drive the Necromancer out of Dol Guldur. That should be one heck of a setpiece battle. Aragorn may even show up, not unfeasible. As for the casting. Very happy and at least Fili and Kili are not fucking Jedward.
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win.
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"I'VE ABANDONED MY GOLD! I'VE ABANDONED MY GOLD! WHOOPSY DAISY!"
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Sylvester McCoy has officially been asked if he wants the Radagast role. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a284054/sylvester-mccoy-reveals-hobbit-role.html Aint it cool news?
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If I remember correctly Radagast would not appear until the Hobbit sequel (to tie Hobbit to LotR) as he is instrumental in alerting Gandalf of the the Necromancer in Dol Guldur. I am also curious who'll be cast in the role of King of the Mirkwood elves, but it would be neat if reference to/sighting of Legolas is mentioned :-)
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YOU EAT WHEN WE SAY YOU EAT! YOU PISS WHEN WE SAY YOU PISS! YOU SHIT WHEN WE SAY YOU SHIT! YOU SLEEP WHEN WE SAY YOU SLEEP! YOU MAGGOT-DICK MOTHERFUCKER!
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emeraldboy - good shout about Bill Bailey; the man's a bona fide genius (& Black Books was pure dead brilliant).
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can't wait for him to lose is rag with those nonce Hobbits. James Earl Jones for Smaug, quality.
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Nothing about the protests and demonstrations in New Zealand, by people desperate to keep the production in-country.<br>Nothing about the actors guild boycott-then-talk-later attitude.<br>Nothing about the filming schedule either.<br>Does AICN wait for a set invitation before reporting anything about LOTR/The Hobbit these days, or are they afraid of pissing off the SAG by discussing how morally bankrupt the actors unions have behaved in respect to PJ and The Hobbit?
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My browser wasn't rendering the Youtube link correctly.<Br>Well done for finally providing some coverage, plus PJ's awesome nerdrage.
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1st, I never heard of most of these actors. 2nd, without Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond, a young Aragorn and Arwen (White Council. I don't see this happening. Also, instead of using some random elves at Rivendell, why not have Elladan & Elrohir. The twin sons of Elrond? Also who will play Bard the Dragon-slayer who would be king? And what about Thranduil (& Legolas) for that matter? Just some concerns.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST
Need some Lidnsay Lohan in there to take down a notch.
by Damien Chowder
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An extended Hobbit is undoutably going to have The White Council drive the Neucromancer (Sauron)out of Mirkwood. So where's the announcement of these returning greats? Otherwise, the casting so far is great...
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Ian McKellan, Andy Serkis, Hugo Weaving and Cate Blanchett I think have all said they would return to their LOTR roles. They may not be officially signed on yet, though. I'd definitely like to see an Orlando Bloom cameo in there. And Christopher Lee if at all possible. Not sure how Aragorn would fit into the story.
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I hate seeing the Hobbit refered to as a prequel. The movies don't have to be THAT tied together. Galadrial is not in The Hobbit. An Orlando Bloom cameo would be possible but kind of retarded (unless he gets wasted on wine with the elven guards enabling the dwarves to escape) I also agree that the dwarves should get better treatment in this movie than LOTR. I feel like Gimli was largely underscored as comic relief. I say David Bowie for King Thranduil of the Elves. And VIN DIESEl as the voice of Smaug.
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Perlman or Blessed.
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Oct. 26, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST
Tim from The REAL Office! I love it! I hope you sees teh success
by Coughlins Laws
he deserves. After David Brent, he really held that show together...
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A movie based on a book that was already made into a movie? Whats next, Rory Calhoun dying at age 76 of complications due to emphysema and diabetes? Bin Aflac directing a movie set in or around Boston? Petre Jaxon, director of Dead/Alive becoming some sort of commercially viable director? Absurd i says! Hollywood sucks.
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Why would a Legolas cameo be retarded? They go to his house and talk to his dad. Why couldn't he be standing in the room as well? And as for Galadriel, they are going to include the casting out of the Necromancer in the movie, if I understand correctly, so she would be there.
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You're a fucking idiot. There. I feel better.
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seriously...this is huge...we should allbe so lucky to live in such a place/
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The government stumped up a little more cash, and agreed to amend employment law, to keep the films.<br> It seems to be a win-win deal so far. Although this has to be a massive own-goal for the stupid bloody MEAA and their 70-odd New Zealand members who blacklisted the Hobbit in the first place.<br>(Speaking of which, how come all of these unions are backing this tiny group of actors and were ignoring the rights and needs of the several thousand technicians builders and SFX artists? Bloody stupid unions.)
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1) Jackson's LOR Legolas wasn't even really Legolas, he was more Glorifindel 2)because given the choice between faithfullness to the source material and tie-ins to an entirely different movie, it's probably a better choice to go with the source material 3)because people would feel gyped if they see Bloom standing there like "oh shit here comes some ass kicking" and all he does is shove some dwarfs into a barrel.
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After his Ding Dong over King Kong? See what I did there, that was pretty fucking poetic... Hope Shore does return, one of the most important people to sign up next I feel.
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I know people who will be unemployed if this film doesn't get made in NZ. And it very nearly didn't. If my concern about how 70-odd actors nearly screwed the country out of a $670 NZD spend by Warners (our GDP is only $120 Billion, so it's a significant percentage) means the 'whole country is run by Jackson', well, better him than the Union-besotted idiots who squared off against him.<br><br>Plus, you have to admit, AICN has been suspiciously low-key about the Hobbit drama. Has Quint not been invited for any more set vists? </envy>
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1) No he wasn't. Are you thinking of Arwen? And anyway, why is that relevant to him being in The Hobbit? 2) This would be a tiny alteration to the story, and would fit easily. The story is going to have to be altered quite a bit in much more drastic ways than this anyway to work . He could have been there in the book and just wasn't mentioned. 3) I don't want him to do anything, really. Maybe just be standing there next to Thranduil and saying one or two brief lines. No stuffing dwarves into barrels. Maybe this would piss the audience off, but I don't really care.
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Interesting. It could work. I remember his name being thrown around for Elrond when the FOTR film was first being discussed.
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The only Dwarves I can remember from the book are Thorin (the boss) and bombur (the fat one). The rest seem pretty interchangable...tell me I'm wrong!
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down down to goblin town. ((you will never hear this song in the Peter Jackson rendition)) :(
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To dungeons deep and caverns old. Bitches.
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The greatest adventure, Is what lies ahead, Today and tomorrow, Are yet to be said, The chances the changes, Are all yours to make, The mold of your life, Is in your hands to break
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Move Production to Ireland and Get Donald Trump to play either Smaug or Sauron while he's over there pissing people off and building his golf course. - he can even keep the hair
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Instead of breathing fire, he just fires New Zealand
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Maybe they'll have him in the movie singing of the adventures of Lemiwinks.
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*gurgle* Jesus Christ!
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That's not true. The Orc and Goblins are green skinned and the Uraki are a blackish purple color.
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Oct. 31, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST
So what exactly is the going to be the structure of these movies
by Sardonic
Is it just The Hobbit broken into halves? Is Part 1 The Hobbit and Part 2 the stuff with the White Council/Necromancer etc.? Is it both? Is anything even confirmed? Personally, the idea of merely splitting the Hobbit into two movies seems unnatural for the story, but if they add the White Council stuff then it would make more sense.
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The lack of an editing function is really the only major downside of these talkbacks.
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Looks not a bad cast at all,Martin freeman could be inspired casting.For those of you who dont know Richard Armitage,check out a SKY 1 6 part series called Strikeback,its Chris Ryan book and follows and ex SAS soldier.Good series and Armitage is pot on in the lead role.
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Bjarki
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I loved Martin Freeman in the Office, and I am sure he will step up to this role! I love the choices many stars from BBC and the UK. Seasoned actors but with a fresh slate for most Americans. This is going to be a wonderful film.
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If you take the book as written, there are a few scenes that could form the basis of an action set-piece - the fight with the goblins in the mountains, the fight with the spiders in the forest, the escape from the elves, the destruction of laketown and the battle of 5 armies. If you were going to pick a half way point it would probably fall at the escape from the elves. Of course, Jackson may not be able to resist bringing in some stuff about the white council driving out the necromancer, which would be fine as it is authentically part of the greater narrative. What worries me though is that he will go off on some half-witted and unnecessary excursion of his own, as he did in LOTR with the guff about Arwen and Aragorn. I suppose I should stop worrying, the LOTR films were good overall, even if the purist found plenty to offend
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Or is Jackson looking more and more like Tim Burton? Good on him that he lost all that weight, but damn, with that hair, he's starting to look like a maniac.
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Pity the casting didn't choose to reflect the world we live in now.
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Because it is set in the world we live in now, right? Not thousands of years ago in western Europe.
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Call me when the BLU-RAY super special extended edition is out.
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How come the posts come out in order? Something wrong with the algorithm.
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For this of all movies? I mean, really? You people will find anything to bitch about, won't you?
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will be
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Hahahahahahahaha.
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prancing elves, doe-eyed hobbits, hunchback gollum, big footed cave trolls, cum-my-lady figwit, or gay gandalf?
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The thought of Ian McShane voicing Smaug moves me in my pants.
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should be cg, like a limitless character, infact, just make it allllll cg. Except for like two or three trees in the background, but even they should have cg leaves
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I told you Jackson was a racist. Nothing but light-skin tones wanted. Now the hasty coverup-->fire the casting agent.
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