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Two Hobbit films officially greenlighted with Peter Jackson directing!

Published at: Oct. 15, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The good news seems to be that after years of turmoil it looks like The Hobbit is becoming a reality with Peter Jackson directing. The two Hobbit films will be shot back to back much like the original LOTR Trilogy was and it looks like cameras will be rolling February 2011. The Wrap broke the story, I believe, and that posting was followed closely by an official announcement from New Line and Warner Bros, which I first heard about on The Hollywood Reporter. What's still up in the air is where they'll shoot, which is a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. New Zealand is Middle Earth. This whole actor union bollocks is ridiculous. I know many people who have worked both in front of and behind the camera on the LOTR films and everyone was payed above union minimums. This doesn't feel to me like the unions fighting against a greedy overlord not wanting to pay his employees a fair wage, but a way to flex nuts. If you want to read more on the goings on, I suggest this interview over at TheOneRing.Net with NZ filmmaker Chaz Harris, who started a petition to drop the boycott. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want this petty bullshit to force a move to Ireland or somewhere. New Zealand is just as much part of the identity of those films as Jackson himself. But I'm sure calmer heads will prevail and this power play will dissolve eventually and we'll all be happy. Now I just want a guarantee that Christopher Lee is back as Saruman and I'll be one happy nerd! Bring on the Smaug!

-Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Woot!

    by James Westfall

    About damn time. Now pass the seedcakes.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to see it in 5-6 years!

    by matchesmalone2380

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST

    YOWZA!

    by Grimjack99

    This needs to happen, and soon. Ian McKellan isn't getting any younger, and he IS Gandalf. Michael Gambon couldn't replace Richard Harris as Dumbledore, and I don't think any other actor could stand a chance to step into the boots of Sir Ian.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Isn't this story like 2 years old now?

    by jimbojones123

    Really, was it going to EVER play out any other way?

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    FANTASTIC!!!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Can't wait!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    I hope...

    by Stinkle_Your_Dinkle

    the quality of the two films isn't compromised by the petty union sqabble.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Who will play Bilbo?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That is the question!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Is he gonna pull a Lucas?

    by BB1970

    Hobbit releases and new FX with the outdated LOR? That's what I'm thinking here.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    BIG DICKS

    by MelvintheMopBoy

    slapping across your face

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Will SMAUG be CGI, or played by the Rock?

    by Tigger Tales

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    You know, I think that...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...Sam Worthington could actually pull this off (Bilbo). He might be a bit too tall, but he might just work.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    IRELAND OR SOMEWHERE?

    by robertplant

    Fuck you. Ireland would be great. Fuck, they could make parts of illinois look like that shit. Fucking predators was shot in Texas. Fuck new zealand. shoot in old zealand for fuck's sake.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    back to the well, and Jackson NEEDS it.

    by Stifler's Mom

    he's coming off of the WORST movie of 2009

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Alex O'Loughlin...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...could also pull off a Bilbo Baggins. He is an Aussie and looks like a mix between Elijah Wood and Ian Holm. It could work!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I heard a rumor about Luke Ford...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...being considered too for Bilbo. He is a dead ringer for a young Ian Holm.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Saruman isnt in The Hobbit...

    by Sulla

    unless they're still planning on showing where Gandalf disappears to in the book. Or are they now going to just split The Hobbit into 2 pieces and forget the older script ideas for the second film?

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    This is going to suck by comparison to the trilogy

    by locke815

    There just isn't as much going on.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    I thought Martin Freeman was...

    by Sulla

    going to play Bilbo. Last I heard he was being seriously considered anyway. Freeman plays Tim in the original British version of The Office btw. Look him up, he's Perfect for Bilbo.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Martin Freeman would be perfect... genius!

    by locke815

    He looks like a Hobbit for sure.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:10 p.m. CST

    finally some good news...

    by exador

    cooler heads will prevail....the nut flexing will go on til the very real threat of pulling the filming to another location becomes more real. at that point no one in their right mind will block it...who wants to be known as the doofus that pushed away film work of this magnitude to another country? as for the rankin-bass movie...not sure how the rest of the folks here in talkback feel about it, but i still absolutely love that movie and the songs as well.... and as much as i like the golum from the movies, for some reason, the one in those cartoons will always be the real-deal for me...

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    IT SHOULD BE FILMED IN CENTRAL PARK

    by HaterofCrap

    i'm tired of the new zealand tourism movies.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    robertplant, much of Predators was also shot in Hawaii

    by NativeGaijin

    There are certain things that you just can't fake. Is Ireland mountainous enough to pass for New Zealand? Like it or not, that's the look that the audience is going to expect to see.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Saruman will be in this Hobbit

    by malcolm_mccallum

    The White Council (Saruman, Gandalf, Glofindel,Galadriel, Elrond,Radagast, and others) drive The Necromancer (Sauron) from Dol Guldur. This happens within the scope of the Hobbit and so won't be passed up for story-building.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    sure, i'll see 'em

    by frank cotton

    but the thrill is gone

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    This project has too much baggage

    by ATARI

    This project already has too much baggage for me to be able to enjoy the final product. They are just not going to capture magic lightning in a bottle again like they did with the first three.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Terrible news

    by Star Hump

    and of course Jackson will bring in his two ego-mad screenwriting gals and together they'll ride roughshod right over Tolkien's story. Why? Because they think they can do it better, that's why. In fact, they're so sure of this that they're going to write another entirely brand new story/movie.<p> Remember the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles? Get ready for a bunch of dwarfs sitting around a fire and farting their beards off. Gandalf will probably let a few fly, too. And that's just the beginning. Have fun, fan boys.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    THANK GOD!

    by Sardonic

    The series will be truly complete.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:21 p.m. CST

    yea is Lee still pissed about being dropped from ROTK?

    by TheSeeker7

    so that, if Jackson wanted him in this (I'm not familiar enough with the original book to know if Saruman properly belongs at all), Lee'd wanna say fuck you to him?

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Star Hump

    by Sulla

    Are you sure that's still the plan? You could be right, but I thought they said they were just going to split The Hobbit into 2 films now, not go with the "new" story, which I totally agree would be a bad, bad, bad, idea.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:27 p.m. CST

    I'm dancing on the inside.

    by antonphd

    Best movie news since... ever.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Wonderful news!

    by Hufu Man

    The only person I'd rather see direct these films than Del Toro is Jackson himself! A great day for geeks!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    i still don't understand, what's the tone going to be like?

    by awepittance

    the hobbit has a distinctly different more children book style to it than the LOTR trilogy. Has Peter Jackson explained how they are going to interpret these qualities into a film? will the 2nd movie get noticeably darker and more LOTR like to bridge the two together?

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Great a 5 hour movie about Bilbo setting up a Tea Party

    by _Venkman

    The caps were on purpose.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Haven't we heard this before?

    by BarryConvex

    Until I see a trailer, I probably won't believe that it's finally getting.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Christopher Lee

    by Disgustipitated

    Christopher Lee indicated he felt he was too old to fly halfway around the world. Peter should fly to Christopher's hometown and shoot his scenes in front of a green screen. I'm sure Mr. Lee would be more than happy to reprise the role and would be thrilled at the prospect of having his cake and eating it too. Here's hoping and praying.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    by BarryConvex

    That should be "getting made".

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    David Tennant for Bilbo

    by bauerpowerhour24

    The Doctor himself would be perfect for this epic role he is my #1 choice

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I have to say

    by Zorak5

    I'm very glad that Peter Jackson is ending up directing these movies. I'm sure he was probably worried about tarnishing his legacy, but to me there is no one else who could possibly carry on the films with the same style. I watched The Two Towers at Radio City Music Hall last week. And seeing that film on the big screen again after so many years made it abundantly clear that Jackson is the only one who should carry on these films. And we are incredibly lucky that Howard Shore will be back, too!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Is it too late to snag Del Toro back?

    by hegele

    I think Del Toro would have gotten the mood and atmosphere of The Hobbit well. I fear Jackson will keep these in the tone of LotR for continuity sake, and it may well ruin it.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Russell Crowe for Bilbo

    by Box_Bruceleitner

    "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?"

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Russell Crowe for the dragon

    by gruemanlives

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    YES!

    by Powerring

    There is a God. Or at least Peter Jackson works for him. Now I am officially psyched for the hobbit.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    With Guillermo Del Toro gone

    by TheFlyingWasp

    so went some of my passion for this upcoming project. It will be awesome, I'm sure, but The Hobbit was set to be much different than the Ring Trilogy and Guillermo would have accomplished that. The problem, in my point of view, is that Jackson runs a bigger risk of repeating himself here.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Russell Crowe for All The Cast

    by D o o d

    OUTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Is Bond next?

    by BlackBriar

    Lets get Bond Moving, Shall we!!

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    If new zealand is out there is always tolkien's motherland

    by DrRumpledink

    you know. where it was all based on anyway...England.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    argh, hurry up and make it already!

    by HornyForHarry

    but take your time and do it right bozo.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    What about James Bond?

    by StarQrtrs

    Does this mean new line is going to get their shit together and green light this next? It's as much as a guaranteed money makes as the hobbit will be. Obviously not as much, but still a guaranteed money maker none the less.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Quint

    by vadakinX

    I was born and raised in Ireland dammit! In truth we have far too much rain here for 18 month shoots and New Zealand works very well for Middle Earth but for the pride of my country, a big fuck you for shitting on it.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Guillermo Del Toro for Bilbo

    by JIMBOCOP

    Tell me I'm wrong...

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Peter's heart is not in this

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    he's doing it because he feels he has to in order to please the fan boys. I'm afraid these movies will ruin the LOTR legacy..hope i'm wrong though

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    The could film it here in Canada.

    by Juggernaut125

    Around Alberta and BC. I think that would work.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Oh its about fucking time!

    by sam jacksons wig

    Another potential $billion per movie against a pesky MGM shakeup? Don't be fucking daft!<br><br> As for Jackson, after Del Toro pissed off (understandably) who didn't see that coming???? Heart in it or not, for the sweet package and back end deal (that sounded REALLY gay) he is likely to receive, he will perk up soon enough methinks.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    unparanoid_android

    by sam jacksons wig

    Tank....hard?<br><br> So sorry matey! Don't think so. Juyst a feeling, you know?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    $500 mil?

    by TheHumanBurrito

    I swear I read something about a $500 million dollar budget, which is flat out inexcusable. LotR and Star Wars both did trilogies for less, there is no way this could/should cost MORE than that unless they plan to do some shit like breed an actual dragon.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    the greenscreens in NZ are best

    by drturing

    you just don't get the same quality of greenscreen in other countries in which you can put your 8000 digital soldier men and fantasy creatures pretending to saw each other in half

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    They missed the bus

    by ratpack223

    The LOTR craze is over and Thank the Lord for that!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST

    There are TONS of filming possibilities

    by Bass Ackwards

    Lets get over this idea that New Zealand is uniquely suited. It looked great, and it's wonderful that Jackson was able to pump some mine and interest into his home country. But Europe is full of sweeping, grand, beautiful locations, and if I show you a picture of some grand landscape of Germany and tell you it's New Zealand, you're not going to look at it and say "no way! It doesn't have New Zealand unique coloring/lighting/whatever." you'll just shrug your shoulders and say ok. Movie magic, as long as it's not being filmed on some back lot they'll have no problem making our natural world look like middle earth.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    RedBull_Werewolf, don't talk such shit

    by DrRumpledink

    That's the most stupid thing I've read on this talkback since the person who said it's going to bomb. Heart is not in it? haha

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Bass Ackwards, very true

    by DrRumpledink

    Hobbiton was based on the English countryside of Sarehole or something. <p>Not sure how cost effective it is, but some places in Scotland could double for the mines of moria perfectly. I guess that's missing the point of him wanting to film in new zealand though. Not only is his studio, crew and facilities set up there, but I find it very strange the new zealand government are playing hard ball and would want to lose the production to Europe (i'll have to reseach why). With Xmen, Pirates 4, captain america and War horse all in UK right now, it seems the most cost effective next choice.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Film in Iceland.

    by jackofhearts29

    It's the same volcano-and-ice look, just closer to the UK and USA. And Saruman can fly there for a quick shoot without getting his 98-year-old pecker in a knot. Also, Luke Ford looks a little too Gamgee-ish (read: dimwitted) for Bilbo. How about Jeremy Renner? He's got a great Hobbity face...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Start petitioning for a remake...

    by MajorFrontbum

    ...you may as well. They're going to remake everything anyway, even you!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:38 a.m. CST

    TheHumanBurrito,

    by DrRumpledink

    don't believe all you read. sure, it will be a couple of expensive flicks, all 3 rings movies cost around 300 mil to make. 500 sounds a bit far fetched, even with the 3D. Contrary to what people believe, Avatar was between 280 and 350. Not the 500 mil tag that was banded about at the time.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Anyone who thinks these movies with

    by Dennis_Moore

    Jackson on the marquee won't bust the block are either fools or talking out of his or her ass.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST

    awepittance...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I don't think that THE HOBBIT was really too different from the LOTR books. Unless you only read a shortened version of the book (or watched that dreadful old cartoon), the story is very similar to the others. In fact, it leaves quite a bit of specificities up to the imagination. This book might work out very well -- because it will leave a lot up to Peter Jackson's imagination.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:02 a.m. CST

    NEW ZEALAND IS MIDDLE EARTH!!!

    by Zombie Vig

    Amen to that Quint! End this union bullshit now!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:17 a.m. CST

    one more setback and I officially

    by Phategod2

    Dont give a shit.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST

    No way will this even touch the first Trilogy.

    by ganymede3010

    I see why Peter Jackson tried his hardest to get someone else to direct. He will pull a George Lucas. He'll rush right through this production and worry more about how Smaug looks instead of the quality of his script.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Iceland.

    by 11dayempire

    If the unions keep acting up, take the films to Iceland. Let's see… it's geologically similar to New Zealand, thanks to that LazyTown series it's got a well-kitted out HD studio and plenty of trained crew (Tarantino went out there to study how they were shooting HD, look it up). Oh, and since the financial collapse the production costs (accommodation, crew hire etc) will be depressed. Makes sense to me…

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Jackson ought to be in director jail for Lovely Bones.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    That crap makes M. Night Shyamalan's worst look like Citizen Kane in comparison. Just atrocious filmmaking. There's actually equally ineptness on display in smaller doses in King Kong and even LOTR. Honestly, there are some real wince inducing moments even in his best work, although I have to admit there are also signs of brilliance as well.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    All I Can Say Is...

    by KingKirby

    Yay! I can't wait. Honestly, I know I will line up to see this movie when it's released.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:44 a.m. CST

    ganymede3010, rush into production?

    by DrRumpledink

    Where have you been for the last few years? It's been in pre production for at least 2 years now! Peter, Fran, Phillipa and Del Toro have worked hard on and finished the script. Designs and previz battles have been done. This sucker is ready to go once it's been fully casted. Keep up, lad!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST

    A few facts

    by MrH

    I think a lot of you are forgetting quite a few things. One - as for the tone of the movie, GDT had written the first drafts of the script with Jackson, Boyens and Walsh and had also had a big influence on the design of the creatures etc, which will stick. I remember reading that whatever happens Jackson said very much of GDT's vision will stay. Two - as for people thinking this may be rushed. Pretty much all of the pre-production has been done, a lot of sets have already been built, maquettes and character design done etc. A Feb 2011 start means 22 months for principal photography and post work for the first part alone and a further year to refine the second part. 22 months is a long time for a movie these days especially given most of the hard work in pre-prod is already done. Three - it's not the NZ government pushing for a bigger cut, it's the NZ Actor's Equity who only represent about 10% of NZ actors and is controlled by MEAA, which is the Australian actor's union. The more union actors that are in a movie and the more they get paid, the more the union gets paid. It's just a power struggle to fill the union's coffers. Four - As for the budget being $500 mil... that figure apparently includes $100 mil in legal fees over the rights issues, which leaves a production cost of $200 mil per movie, which going by today's standards really is the average going rate for an effects laden blockbuster. And to all who think that the ship has sailed, it's going to bomb or any other way of saying it's going to fail that you can think of...FUCK YOU you don't know shit, pessimistic fucks the lot of ya

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST

    LOTR legacy lives

    by krylite

    We LOTR fans were right after all. After reading this whole talkback, LOTR is held unanimously as 3 of the best movies of this decade and century. Gone are the naysayers and those Star Wars prequels and Matrix ****heads. I think Jackson will remember the strength of FOTR was in the script. The first part of FOTR in the Shire is the right style that will work in the hobbit. Light hearted humourous, and idyllic plus the great cinematography and colors. They are going to get elements from the other works of Tolkien also. "Lost Tales", "The Silmarillion". In "Lost Tales", there's a scene where Gandalf explained what he was doing in the Shire in the timelines of both The Hobbit and FOTR. I hope we get to see Galadriel shooting her bow as she also partipated in the attack against the Necromancer during the Hobbit.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Ireland has a fantasy world already

    by awardgiver

    The Game of Thrones series is being shot in Northern Ireland, so quit bitching about it. I'm sure it will do well enough to film the other books there as well. Leave Middle Earth in New Zealand. And film Gormenghast in Wales, and Dark Shadows in Maine...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST

    11dayempire

    by DrRumpledink

    it's all about tax breaks. I wouldn't be suprised if most of the filming ends up at leavesdon studios in the UK. It's where they did the harry potter movies and has recently been purchased by Warner Brothers to use for future productions. this is of course if they do move out of new zealand to film it. Let's not forget that it's Jackson that is threating to move it out of the country, they are not being told they can't film in NZ.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:51 a.m. CST

    KingKirby

    by pushthebuttonmax

    is the only person in this talkback who is not a sad fuckface. He's actually happy about this. Go to Hell, whiners.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Danny DeVito for Bilbo

    by robertdee

    and Rhea Pearlman for Smaug.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:53 a.m. CST

    ^ haha

    by DrRumpledink

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    DrRumpledink…

    by 11dayempire

    Pretty sure the good burghers of Reykjavik would be throwing incentives at Jackson if they thought there was even a whiff of a chance he'd shoot in Iceland. I'm just puzzled that more films haven't been shot there recently; with the whole economic collapse thing, I would've thought the government would be bending over backwards to get films to shoot there, to boost the economy.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:28 a.m. CST

    stephen fry to voice smaug?

    by Y282

    just a thought.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:46 a.m. CST

    P.J. directing?!?

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    *smacks forehead* <P> Ugh... i guess we can expect more... WALKING. And droning on about destiny, fate, heavy-handed concepts and themes, etc, blah, blah, blah. More pretentious, self-indulgent crap that passes itself off as "intellectual" or "deep and or meaningful"... <P> The Lord of the Rings Trilogy has to be the most overrated set of films in the history of cinema. I don't even know what would be close...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Didn't it seem to anyone else... to be shot as if it was a tv show? I don't really know how to clarify that further. It just seemed "small", like it was shot on a frickin' sound stage or something... Which is odd, considering it was shot on location in NEW ZEALAND for fuck's-sake. And all those cliched "SWEEPING-VISTA-SHOTS" didn't do it for me either i guess... Damn, i can't stand Pete Jackson. Dude just LOOKS like a fucking hobbit.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:53 a.m. CST

    All that shit aside...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    I did enjoy the first 45 minutes of the first film. All that stuff in the shire was fucking gold... Gandalf, Bilbo, and even Frodo were all pretty great. It was shot well... and the music was fantastic. There was a nice, simple, CHARM to it all. And then they LEFT THE SHIRE... *DUH DUH DUHHHHHHHHH* <P> :-(

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Gollum had his moments...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    But the rest was shite. Plain old, stinky, crusty, SHITE.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    MGM?

    by supertoyslast

    I thought this hadn't been greenlit because of MGM's financial troubles. Are they now over?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:11 a.m. CST

    gotta love the whiny fanboys!

    by Ditko

    First it couldn´t be Jackson and the market ran out of kleenex. Now it´s Jackson and they´re whining because it might be filmed somewhere else and not NZ. LOL don´t you boys get tired?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:16 a.m. CST

    @ Dead_Flag_Blues

    by ratpack223

    Damn Right you are!!!!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:26 a.m. CST

    The problem with the LOTR Trilogy is that it is very

    by KilliK

    Hollywood-ized for consumption by a mainstream audience.add to that the not-very-inspired direction of PJ and you have a trilogy which is not that great of a masterpiece that people think,and not that faithful to the books either.<br /> <p>when you change the Shire ending from the book to your typical,cliche Hollywood ending and you defend that by saying that this kind of ending in the book was not important,then despite how much you love the books,you are fucking CLUELESS about what these books were really about.<br /> <p>but nevertheless they are event movies,they are very well-crafted and very entertaining,and though they are not the perfect LOTR movies,they are three of the best fantasy movies ever made.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Quint...

    by catlettuce4

    Saruman isn't in the story, why do you want him back? I realize Jackson may shoehorn him in, but why would you personally want that?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:31 a.m. CST

    and the real question is how much PJ is up for this project?

    by KilliK

    he did a good job with LOTR,but after that he did two very shitty movies,especially the last one was trashed by everyone.Did the LOTR drained PJ from all his talent and creativity? did WETA and its technology,transformed him into the new George Lucas who cares more about showcasing his vfx tools,rather than his vision as an aritst?<br /> <p>Well Hobbit will show if PJ still has it,but if you ask me,i feel very pessimistic for the entire project which from the start seems to be very cursed.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Martin Freeman is Mr baggins

    by ManEatingFish

    Simon Pegg was on Radio 1 in the UK and confirm he (MF not SP) had been offered the role and was just waiting for the green light and contract

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST

    God, fuck LOTR

    by Daniel2010

    Such a crap story. The Hobbit will be no better.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:49 a.m. CST

    I do however, remember loving the animated Hobbit film...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    from back in the 80's. I loved that damn flick as a kid. Gollum scared the beJESUS outta me... lol

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5 a.m. CST

    Petty bullshit ?!?

    by PTSDPete

    No wonder why America is poor.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:26 a.m. CST

    "shoot it in Old Zealand" Hahahahahaha

    by pokadoo

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    MENTAL DOMINANCE

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Well fucking said! Let the PJ hate commence!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Yeah but remember...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Fucking DAMON LINDELOF is in charge of the script on the Alien Prequel. I wouldn't allow 20 fucking dollars to produce that PG-13, watered down pile of shite...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:40 a.m. CST

    I just READ "The Hobbit".

    by Ringwearer9

    So should you, you illiterate bunch of bastards

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Bad news

    by fitzcarraldo2

    Jackson has Lost It.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST

    lol @ ringwearer

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    I HAVE read it. YEARS ago, in fact. <P> Silly child...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Fitz. Correction...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Jackson never HAD it to begin with.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    PJ is the most BAFFLING "beloved" director of all time...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Maybe tied with the "great" Tim Burton... <P> Ugh. I don't enjoy a single one of his films. King fucking Kong?!? The most BLOATED, Self-Indulgent tripe i've ever seen on film. <P> And i've seen the LOTR trilogy!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    RON HOWARD...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Throw that bland, vanilla motherfucker in there with P.J. and Burton... <P> Yuck.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    ALFONSO CUARON

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    should be directing this shit. <P> Search your feelings... you know it to be true!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Now lets sort out Bond 23

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Must squeeze at least one more Bond movie out of Craig otherwise will be a total waste of talent.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:53 a.m. CST

    I ditto Dead Flag Blues sentiment

    by Ringwearer9

    Jackson never "had it" to begin with. What he "had" was all Tolkien.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:02 a.m. CST

    I agree with everything unparanoid said...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    except for the lack of clarity with said "Matrix Trilogy". Yes, the TRILOGY was shit, only because of the awful sequels... But i hope you're not including the absolutely BRILLIANT first film. So please clarify... or i WILL have to slap a ho.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Yup.

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Tolkien was P.J.'s crutch. Like GARY KURTZ's Star Wars Trilogy was a crutch to George Luca$' shitty prequels...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Actually, i should have said...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Gary Kurtz'/Lawrence Kasdan/Irvin Kirshner/Mark Hamill/Harrison Ford/Marcia Lucas/Joseph Campbell/Ben Burtt/John Williams/'s "Star Wars" <P> ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Why two films?

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I still don't get that. It just seems a decision rooted in greed.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Ok, AWESOME.

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Ron Pearlman as Smaug

    by disfigurehead

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    LMFAO!

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Holy shit, that collegehumor link almost made me piss myself i was laughing so hard! Well done MENTALDOMINANCE. I just added that shit to my favorites. <P> I liked the bucket o' makeup... "Yup. *Thud*" and that Danny Elfman shit was fucking SPOT ON. "Deedley-Deedly, Deedly-deedly... Bum-bum-bum-bum" lol <P> I was skeptical for the first 30 seconds or so, thinking it was a little too easy, but goddamn i was laughing out loud all the way to the end. Good work sir... ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Well said GeneralJSjackson...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Except for the part where you actually PRAISED the PIRATES TRILOGY... lol That crap was as shallow and vapid as the LOTR flicks. Although they're not nearly as pretentious or self-indulgent... so i'll give 'em that ;-) <P> I'll allow you to retract that last statement now.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Danny Elfman, like Tim Burton, P.J., and Ron Howard...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    can go fuck himself. He's as redundant/unimaginative as those clowns... but i will give him Edward Scissorhands. His best score by a country mile. <P> Fuckin' "Ice Dance" is class.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Haha

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Good call on Oliver Stone. The very fucking definition of overrated... <P> Shit, i'm gonna go out on a limb and send a fucking SHOCKWAVE through AICN and say that Tarantino and Aranofsky are a bit overrated as well. <P> Holy shit! :-O BLASPHEMY!! <P> I mean, i do like some of their stuff, but they are quite pretentious and self indulgent... The fucking FOUNTAIN anyone?!? How about Inglourious Basterds?? <P> Bleh. Tarantino's monologues (or DIATRIBES, as i like to call them...) operate under the mistaken impression that they are somehow "deep" or "meaningful" in some way, but they really aren't, at all. <P> Reservoir Dogs and Kill Bill are my favorite from Quentin, and Pi, is by far, my favorite from Aranofsky...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:22 a.m. CST

    And MentalDominance...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    A Uwe Boll Lord of the Rings would be oddly fascinating... lol

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Yeah, fuck Peter Jackson.

    by rbatty024

    Fuck that guy for making three films at one time on a property generally considered unfilmable, and then, after making this gambit, the fucker has to go and make all three of them huge blockbusters and award winners. What a hack.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST

    He's made 2 good films - Heavenly Creatures and FOTR

    by performingmonkey

    Gollum and the Helm's Deep battle in TTT was awesome, as was the siege of Minas Tirith in ROTK, but just about everything else doesn't stand up (even at the time with ROTK I thought 'noooo they've messed up big time'). FOTR, on the othe hand, is flawless.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    My Fave directors...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Spielberg, Fincher, Cameron, Scott (Ridley, not his fucking brother...lol) <P> Would have included Proyas after Dark City (a favorite of mine...), but what has he done after? I, Fucking, ROBOT?? ;-) <P> Kubrick, Cuaron, and Nolan would be up there for me as well...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST

    MORE LEMBAS BREAD!!!!!!!!!!!

    by wackybantha

    YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I am looking forward to Black Swan though.

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Probably has a lot to do with Natalie and Mila however... <P> ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    A Clockwork Orange baby!

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Yeah buddy... <P> And i'm with ya on most accounts MENTAL, but "Knowing"?? You blindsided me with that one... i saw that in the theatre and found it unintentionally hilarious. But maybe i wasn't in the right mood or something. I'll give it another try...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    RIght, i think that was 2061 actually...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    I still have that novel i think. I was really into that shit when i was younger. <P> I love me some good sci-fi.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    performingmonkey...

    by freerangecelt

    we are in total agreement.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    And yes, Kubrick has a VERY Meeeeeethooooooo....

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    ...diiiiiiicaaaaaaaalllllll pace ;-) <P> But he was one of a kind...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Oh you don't have to tell me twice!

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    About score that is... I'm fucking OBSESSED with film music :-) Who did the score for Knowing? I can't recall...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    umm..

    by dengreg31

    let me get this straight.. the Lord of the Rings films "sucked"? Sweet Jesus are you people hard to please...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Favorite composers...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    John fucking Williams (of course), James Newton Howard, Elliot Goldenthal, Jerry Goldsmith, and James Horner are my favorites. <P> Hans Zimmer, Michael Giacchino, Michael Kamen, Alan Silvestri, John Barry, Ennio Morricone, Thomas Newman, and Angelo Badalamenti are runners up too...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    JAMES PETERSON (The Red Canvas)

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    MENTAL, if you don't know about "The Red Canvas", go listen to it. IMMEDIATELY! I keep pimping this thing in other threads, 'cause it's fucking AMAZING. Seriously one of the best scores of the last decade. It's totally fuckin' old-school... James Peterson really puts an emphasis on MELODY and THEME. Something that is sadly absent these days in a lot of film music...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST

    wonder of the trolls will match up

    by MurderMostFowl

    I wonder of Jackson will remember his troll statues from LOTR since the Hobbit will explain the origin of them.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Dengreg...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Sure, we're probably a little more "picky" than most, when it comes to film... but it really isn't that hard. It all comes down to being well-executed (technical aspects of film-making like being well written, good dialogue, quality acting, nice cinematography, great score, good editing, etc...), but it also needs to be ENGAGING for the audience. That is the biggest quality lacking in the LOTR films, and for all of Peter Jackson's films for that matter.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Agreed General...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Entirely MEDIOCRE, we should say. Average. Mundane. But they should have been GREAT. That was the biggest crime that Jackson commited...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Dead_Flag_Blues you need a bigger TV

    by MurderMostFowl

    looks like it was shot like a TV show?? This is LOTR you're talking about, right? 2.35:1 aint too shabby.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8 a.m. CST

    I'll take fuckin' WILLOW...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    over the LOTR trilogy. Better score, more imaginative/inventive, a leaner script/plot, with none of the pretense... <P> I mean, c'mon. Fuckin MADMARTIGAN! ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Fowl...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    I'm good, man. I got a nice 42" LCD widescreen, so i could see it just fine ;-) <P> It was probably the shitty sets and bad costumes/makeup that made it look cheap...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:05 a.m. CST

    GeneralJSJackson re: 2001 you need to remember

    by MurderMostFowl

    When 2001 was filmed... 1968. At the time, there had never been any Space movies that had special effects as good as this, not to mention it was shot on 70mm. <BR><BR>At the time, space exploration itself was still very much in the heart of the public and there was a certain fear and respect for risky missions in space still <BR> Try and see the movie from that perspective if you ever watch it again. It's not a good movie if anyone has ADHD

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:06 a.m. CST

    My God...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    It's full of stars... <P> Fuckin' classic.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    And i'm sorry...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    But Orlando fucking Bloom, and Viggo Mortensen do absolutely NOTHING for me. <P> Whatsoever. <P> They have about as much screen presence as Sam Worthington...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Ian Mckellen, Chris Lee, and Elijah Wood...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    were pretty alright though. <P> And all the women were dry as fuck too...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Yeah, i sense your frustration GeneralJackson...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    And shit, i wasn't even a huge LOTR novel fan. I mean, i read it... and i enjoyed it. Good piece of literature, but it wasn't the be-all-end-all work of fiction for me. So i went in to the films pretty open-minded, and i STILL didn't like them, just from a pure film-making perspective. <P> So yeah, when you throw in the differences from the book, it gets even worse...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Yup.

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    2001 was a technical marvel, for sure... But i see what people mean when they bring up the STORY aspect. It is kind of a "cold" film, in a way. Much like Kubrick's other works. I can see why some viewers were left unengaged and disconnected... but i love it :-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    JESUS CHRIST!

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    A little off topic, but someone mentioned Pirates of the Caribbean... and i just stumbled upon this photo of Penelope Cruz' body double, which turns out to be her freakin' sister. Check it out! <P> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://igossip.com/photos/Yeeeah_Sausage_21004_monica_cruz_elle_magazine.jpg&imgrefurl=http://igossip.com/gossip/monica_cruz_elle_magazine/956680&usg=__eHsSSTlXvqM1NLIIQQtjUqGwDcU=&h=1030&w=799&sz=99&hl=en&start=55&zoom=1&tbnid=bfc-2fw1SD7mJM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmonica%2Bcruz%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1069%26bih%3D778%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=141&ei=76a5TIbbN4m0sAPlj_S0Dw&oei=maa5TOTfA5C8sAPk76zqDg&esq=4&page=3&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:55&tx=56&ty=83 <P> Goddamn, she's fine!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Unions = Collectivism

    by brobdingnag

    The have never been anything but organized theft and film companies have no one to blame but themselves for being held hostage to them.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    people actually think a Hobbit film will tank?

    by sith_rising

    wake up folks, no way a Hobbit film directed by Jackson will tank. no fucking way. just you wait until that first trailer hits - pandemonium.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Shit, that was a long ass link!

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    lol

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Tiny URL...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    http://tiny.cc/h959n3ga93 <P> There ya go ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that's funny you mention Eyes Wide Shut...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    What the hell IS that movie about? <P> lol <P> And dude... Leelee was 13 or 14 in that shit! <P> But yeah, she was definitely an "early developer"... ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST

    And yes...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    it was pretty ambiguous about Bowman, the monolith, and the "Star Child" and all that shit...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    And shockingly, no, they aren't twins!

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Monica is apparently 3 years younger than Penelope... They are 2 of the finer women on this planet though. That is not up for debate ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Haha... understandable.

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    We've all had our Katherine Heigl moment. You know what i'm talking about... <P> 14 year old Katherine in "My Father the Hero", in that freakin' bikini... Impure thoughts aplenty lol <P> ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Shit, there's plenty of well developed celeb teenagers from the

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    You got your Phoebe Cates, Jennifer Connelly, Penelope Cruz, Asia Argento, Ornella Muti, Virginie Ledoyen, Jessica Pare, Etc... All of them were fully developed while they were underaged and most of them appeared nude in films at the time. You don't see much more of that these days, as we're a helluva lot more conservative as a culture now...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Hhhhmmmm...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    let me check that out, 'cause i was sure that she was a youngin'...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST

    She was born in June of 1983 actually...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    and the film was released in July of 1999. So she was most likely 14 at the time of filming, 15 at the oldest... <P> I still won't hold it against you though ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    They could shoot this somewhere else.

    by rev_skarekroe

    The entire second half of the story takes place in lands we didn't see in LotR, so you could use some other landscape and make it work.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Alright, peace out guys.

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Until next time...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    No way man...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Asia Argento is MINE. <P> Although i'll "settle" for Penelope/Monica Cruz too... ;-)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    one of the countries that in competition...

    by emeraldboy

    for filming the hobbit is Ireland.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Yes unparanoid...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Ambiguity is definitely a good thing in this case. Lots to ponder and ruminate about after watching 2001... That's why i love it.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Close Encounters = fucking EPIC

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    Dammit guys, stop bringing up AWESOME films that require discussion... i'm trying to go to sleep here! lol

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Martin Freeman IS playing Bilbo...

    by blackmantis

    ...so sayeth Deadline Hollywood, and they are usually correct.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:24 a.m. CST

    New Zealand? Who cares?

    by thedarklingthrush

    Not once did I think during the movies, oh that looks like New Zealand.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Martin Freeman

    by DVaderRIP

    Is probably the best choice. As long as he dials it down a bit, it's probably the role he was born to play. And in terms of 'not getting any younger', I'm less concerned about McKellen than I am about Christopher Lee. Lee would be very much up for it, but it's questionable how many years he has left.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I'm usually...

    by cocolopez

    ...ripping Harry's fat ass a new one- but threads such as this bring up the "other" problem with this site. A hoard of whiny twats that either A) hate on anything successful B) act like everything is sooo last year C) are so angry over how their love of Star Wars concluded with George Lucas slapping his hilarious CGI cock on their faces while the LOTR trilogy garnered just acclaim D) are pissed off that elements of the books were changed for the big screen -- idiots who don't understand that books are books and movies are movies E) 13 year old seeping cunts who just want to spew troll venom without any substantial argument or F) are somehow too cool for Lord of the Rings- yeah- geeks on a geek site that are too cool for these movies. "COCOLOPEZ- how about option G)- those of us who know shiite when we see it blah blah blah" Whiny fucking twats all of you. Too many playing like the ship has sailed yet they'll all be beating off collectively when the trailer for this hits. Don't get me mistaken though- I'm no apologist for Jackson's last lump of shit. Lovely Bones was a jaw-dropping show of how to make every decision involving your movie the worst possible one. I could rant for weeks on just how much that awkward combo of My Little Pony meets serial killer thriller sucked wild ass. Look at the source material here though- we're talking about THE HOBBIT. Not THE LOVELY BONES. What more can Jackson do to prove how capable he is of adapting Tolkien's world? And that's aside from the fact that as a piece of work The Hobbit is a better read than the LOTR trilogy. You all need to plug up those dripping vaginas that you call mouths and to actually celebrate one of the few "cool" things this site has reported in some time- regardless of who broke this story first. The LOTR trilogy sucks? Sure you're right. The Hobbit films will suck and/or bomb? Sure you're right. These films have as much chance of sucking as most of you feverish masturbators do at getting laid by something other than your hand or fat cosplay chicks- the ones that you don't see in the comic-con footage- the ones looking like cows in steam punk costumes lined up in the corridors looking as desperate as you. Sadly- now that Harry's a self-important douche of the highest order all that's left holding this place together is the TB'ers- and it pains me to see that each day it becomes more and more a fertile patch of blooming idiots and Sour Patch Kids.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    They should've had a back-up Middle Earth somewhere on Earth.

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    New Zealand

    by DVaderRIP

    As tempting as it is to tell the unions to go fuck themselves and shoot in Ireland, above all else this has to be a fiscal decision. This is going to be a hugely expensive film, and while there's no question about it being 'big' it's going to need to be 'very big'. Anything less than $1bn per film and it will be seen as having underperformed (think of that!). The unions are talking their industry down the toilet right now. My suspicion is that calmer heads will prevail.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by spikeandjezebel

    MENTALDOMINANCE thinks Paul Verhoevan is a better director than Alfred Hitchcock. Interesting, ummm.... opinion.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Freeman, 2001.. and more..

    by mcgillj

    what happened after Bowman entered the Monolith? Well the opening scene was how the Monolith JUMPSTARTED the evolution of Ape to Man.. Dave became the "starchild" (the books term not mine). EVOLVING beyond his human form into something more.. or if you're religous, you could say Dave became GOD.. But.. I'm not, but you could. The whole movie was about the search for answers.. Bowman in the end finds the ULTIMATE answer. But I will say.. for a film I can watch over and over again, I too actually prefer 2010 to the original. Is it a more thought provoking film? Not really. BUT it has a much clearer narrative structure.. which I can admit 2001 does NOT have. It's left open to questions (which can be a good thing).. as for Freeman as Bilbo.. he has been OFFERED the role.. but last I heard he was concerned it would conflict with his commitment to the BBC show (I want to say) "Sherlock".. so it wasn't sure as to whether he was going to be able to.. I hope so though, I was wracking my brain to figure WHO could do it.. and when I read that I said.. "THAT's PERFECT casting".

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I'm with the guy way up above....

    by Orbots Commander

    ...in other words, I'll believe THE HOBBIT is shooting when I see press photos of Jackson on set in his director's canvas chair with the headphones on. <p> There have been way too many false starts on this thing to believe otherwise.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    Aint It Cool Olds

    by DVaderRIP

    These guys aren't in the business of giving out breaking news - they never really were, I don't know who seriously thinks that Harry gets a call when the Hobbit gets greenlit. On the contrary, he is sitting in his chair eating (and probably furiously masturbating, but lets not go there), when a ding! sound from his RSS feed alerts him that variety has broken the story. This site has its strengths, but lets not pretend they have their fingers on the pulse.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Freeman

    by DVaderRIP

    I think the problem with the second series is now resolved, but the real issue is that Freeman is going to be in NZ pretty much solidly for 5 years. The BBC are no doubt happy with the buzz around him right now, but it's hard to see how he could keep going with Sherlock under those circumstances. Which is a pity, because apart from the misfire of the second episode it was a very solid start.<p> That said, those in the OT did a few things in between, so it's possible. Anyhow, I don't see how Freeman can turn this down.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    PJ is going to pull a Lucas

    by disfigurehead

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I don't care who plays Bilbo, so long as it ain't Shia LeBouf

    by planetran_fan

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Great news. Has to be New Zealand. It IS Middle Earth.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    AICN has been CHOPPED!!

    by 40VirginsAnd_aMule

    The news went live from him 24 hours ago...the choppah left you all in his dust

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Wow! No one mentions Nino Rota as a great film composer.

    by planetran_fan

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Good to see

    by Dreamfasting

    It's unfortunate that the business has to be so complicated some times. If Peter Jackson is going to be directing it himself, I hope that he is not too distracted by the production issues outside the creative process - that's an awful lot to have running through one person's head while trying to make a movie.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit boat sailed and sank long ago

    by James_Camera_On

    Note: If this post offends anyone or their friends or relatives who might be working on the Hobbit film, please let AintitHarry new know so I can be banned. That said, a big part of the problem is that LOTR was just not that good. It looked good and the cast was fine (which in most cases is sufficient these days), but the writing was weak, unfocused, and tired. Jackson is an ok director, but he lost control of the sources material from the start, and his sins are becoming more apparent with each passing year. Here's a quick way to tell if LOTR meets the Test of Time. Would you slap the LOTR dvds/BRs into the player this weekend for a good time? I doubt it. Personally, I would rather watch "Ghandi" again and for most people I think it would be a toss-up. Of course, nobody, but nobody, ever watches Ghandi again.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    by ToshiroShimura

    I don't have much hope for Jackson doing a faithful adaptation anymore. Lovely Bones was awful, and the more I watch the LOTR trilogy, the more I notice just how weak of an adaptation it was. Yes, the books were "unfilmable" and ok, Jackson and friends did do a lot of things right, but I was really hoping for Del Toro to take over the helm. I guess we just wait and see

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    You might want to shoot Lee's scenes first just to

    by Squalidae

    be on the safe side, PJ. Just Saying.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST

    3D, HERE WE GO

    by louisse

    I mean, yeah you can all hate. but what the hell would I love to get that Pandora experience with Middle-Earth.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Freeman's schedule doesn't conflict as much anymore...

    by blackmantis

    They were going to shoot in April, but now it's moved up to February. They reportedly worked out the schedules so he can do both Hobbit and Sherlock.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Shoot in Lew Zealand...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...'s place in the Hampton's.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    How about the Elves?

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    They're all mystical in LOTR but in the Hobbit, they were more woodland warrior types like Legolas. I can't see Jackson's grim, haunted Elves fitting in to the Hobbit.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Louisse

    by gabbygall

    Agree - it would look spectacular!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Some people think it's cool to hate-on great films...

    by braddavery

    Like The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Those people are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    At long last. If this greenlight date holds, then I...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...can announce my retirement and bring my AICN TB circle to a close.<P>It's kind of funny reading all these revisionist LOTR/Jackson hater trolls; they always seem to simultaneously crawl out from under their rocks and stroke each other off. (A LOTR/Jackson Talkback never goes by without an appearance by Ringwearer9!) But let's face it: they're in the overwhelming minority and their criticisms (while occassionaly valid) reek of biased fan-wank.<P>That being said, I'm glad this film is finally moving forward. However, I do have concerns about all the drama that has gone done in the lead-up to greenlight. As if the pressure wasn't enough for these films to reach the heights of the first trilogy, now it seems doubly so. And while I don't really have any qualms about PJ as a director, I do have some concerns over his editing style and choice of story-focus. (i.e. KING KONG could have been a great movie but suffered from way too much bloat. And THE LOVELY BONES was a total misfire. I actually think the first third of that film is strong. But once the girl is killed, it falls apart under the weight of the CGI-afterlife distraction which seemed totally out of place with the initial tone and set-up. The original source material may have left a lot to be desired, too.) I just hope that with all the familiar pieces, actors, and locations falling into place, PJ will once again be able to capture the lightning-in-a-bottle as he did so well with LOTR (especially FOTR).

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    You haters are fucking hysterical

    by castor778

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whether you like the films at all is entirely your decision to make. But to call them "average", "overrated" or rip on Peter Jackson shows you either never saw the films, don't remember them, or haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about. Clearly you don't recall all the hard work that went into them - with Joel Silver and George Lucas talking about how they raised their bars for their own films, Peter Jackson comes around and rapes the living piss out of their films and neither guy has been able to shit right since. LOTR was a statement in how much can be accomplished with the right people behind their favorite work. Go ahead and act like it's nothing, these films proved to be an enormous success and continue to be remembered as some of the best films to come along in the past decade.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Ah, the return of Ringwearer9 and cocolopez...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...strangely welcomed trolls of old. It's like...nostalgia.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    2001

    by ToshiroShimura

    Kubrick and Clarke never set out to create a linear, coherent narrative. Kubrick would spend years developing a project, and in turn asked a lot from his audience. Why spend all that time, effort and money on a film that can be forgotten about the moment the lights come on? You can say that some of the decisions made regarding pace, structure and plot-intelligibility hamper the film's impact, and ultimately it's purpose, but really all the filmmakers asked for was a little abstract thinking from the viewer. Sometimes filmmakers ask for too much; David Lynch comes to mind, but I think Kubrick got it right.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Peckinpah over rated?

    by savagedave

    Congrats Mentaldominace, you had me going for a second.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    POTC 4: The Lining of Bruckheimers Wallet

    by savagedave

    I can't wait.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    PJ will get it done properly.

    by Yelsaeb

    I'm sure these movies are going to be just as good as the LOTR movies.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I think these Jackson haters are still pissed...

    by rbatty024

    that he never put their precious Tom Bombadil in the movies. <p> Some of the most absurd criticism I've heard usually revolves around some small part of a book or source material that is left out of the film. Sorry, but a book and a film are different mediums that tell a story in different ways. In order to have an adaptation at all, the source material must be changed.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Thanks Quint. As a proud New Zealander I'm stoked with this news

    by chadiwack

    Peter Jackson has done a lot for the industry and brought a lot of income and jobs into N.Z. and I know for a fact that He is not a Hollywood sell out... and is one of the most down to (middle) earth people you will ever have the pleasure of meeting. He had a vision and stuck with it. Go Pete, so happy you're taking the helm on this one.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    DeadFlagBlues, MentalDominance, GeneralJSJackson

    by Joely_Boy

    Have you gotten tired of eating each other's assholes out yet? <P>You better watch out, you might drown in cum

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I second the call for Lee as Saruman

    by yesiamaplant

    In fact, they'd better shoot his scenes first. The guy isn't looking his best.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Anyone hating on the LOTR films is trolling.

    by Orbots Commander

    Seriously, the other two films aside, and putting aside the LOTR books as well, The Fellowship of the Ring alone is one of the best straight-ahead epic adventure movies ever made. <p> The weakest of the three, ironically, is the final film. The re-watchability is mostly with Fellowship and funny enough, The Two Towers. TTT plays, likewise, as a great stand-alone epic adventure swashbuckler. <p> It's because the first two films were so great that the Academy, too late, decided to bestow the awards on the later, weaker film in the trilogy.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    talkbacks are the ooze from Ghost Busters 2

    by antonphd

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm glad to see all the love for Fellowship.

    by rbatty024

    I've always thought it was the best of the bunch. Even if King was the lesser of the three (and it is), the film is still a fine finish to the impressive accomplishment that is the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Fellowship is a fuckin' masterpiece

    by Joely_Boy

    It was much more intimate and didn't have too many characters to follow around, thus making the interactions so much more meaningful.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Praise Eru! At last!

    by morGoth

    Now knock some heads together PJ and keep this thing in New Zealand where it properly belongs! If you need Bert, William and Tom as backup then so be it!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I'm not hating, I just like The Hobbit a lot.

    by Rage_Against_Martin_Sheen

    It's a wondeful book that is charming, whimsical, and tonally different than LOTR. I'm sure PJ will muck it up and make it an dark epic, seamlessly leading to LOTR, complete with Viggo as Bard and a live action Battle of Five Armies. I liked Fellowship as well, but thought the latter two LOTR films were snore fests. That's my opinion. I'm glad so many enjoyed all three, but the Hobbit was something I was really happy to have Del Toro adapting. Bottom line, I wanted a faithful Hobbit film. Now, I'll probably just wait until PJ's Hobbit gets played on TNT ad nauseum.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Erm Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by morGoth

    ...don't mean to quibble but in relative LotR TB archival history, those folks are newish trolls. Especially Rb9 though I'm convinced he is Orson of old (which WOULD make him one of the relatively older trolls). Nice to see you again.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    In 1988 I drove the length of both Islands...

    by lettersoftransit

    ...and when I came back a colleague asked me what New Zealand was like. The best way I could think to describe it was "like the pictures on the covers of the Lord of the Rings." I'm fine with states and countries offering up cash to bring projects to their locales (at least to the point of exclusions based on citzenry), but films are always best if they're shot where they happened or would have happened if they were real. The Hobbit "happened" in New Zealand even before the Ring films were shot. And that's where it needs to be filmed.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    LOTR rules

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    Get this rolling so we can see Christopher Lee on film again before its too late, before this film giant departs this world, and sails the seas "of shining glass".

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Great.....

    by KinjoAlcoholicNinja

    Hopefully they will have better writers than the LOTR movies. They were great movies, but the writers didn't understand the books. Yea yea bitter fanboy here. Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff was awful. Aragorn being a whiney little puss was awful. These will of course suck money out of my wallet faster than Arphenion's girlfriend

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    My experience with Lord of the Rings

    by RandySavage

    I read and appreciated the Hobbit as a kid but could never get into LotR. In 2000, I saw the first internet preview and it caught my interest. I then read the trilogy (and listened to the excellent BBC radio drama)... and fell in love with both. <P> PJ's FOTR instantly became one of my favorite films and remains so to this day. I understand and appreciate the changes that were made for a modern cinema audience. TTT & RotK I really liked at release, but over the years the flaws I personally find in them (typically unnecessary deviations from the book like the warg battle, elves at Helm's Deep, over-the-top Denethor, etc., some casting choice, or nitpicky geographic, battle or armor design) have made the 2nd & 3rd films less enjoyable/re-watchable for me. <P> Despite a number of choices (particularly in films 2 & 3) that I disagree with, I give PJ a lot of credit - huge credit - for creating these epic films (and almost single-handedly creating a film industry in NZ). If nothing else, he steered me to the books & radio drama. And when you compare LOTR to the prior "big" fantasy epics like "Legend" or "Willow", LOTR's qualities (and Jackson's merit) are elevated even further. <P> So I am greatly looking forward to these Hobbit films, but with some trepidation. I want them to be a FOTR-like success in casting, adaptation & direction.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    $100 mil legal fees????

    by Nem_Wan

    Denny Crane!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Best thing about the Hobbit = Gandalf the GRAY

    by RandySavage

    One more thing. Ian McKellen's portrayal of Gandalf the GRAY was iconic. I didn't care for his more aloof, plucked-eyebrow Gandalf the WHITE nearly as much. So, that's one thing to be excited about: two films with McKellen the Gray... but as has been stated, he is no spring chicken either, so here's hoping for a smooth and quick lead-up & shoot.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST

    EVEN BETTER NEWS - DISNEY DUMPS DEL TORO

    by ForgetfulPete

    In even better news for the world of cinema, Disney has officially as of today dropped DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE DARK from its schedule - movie looks now to be direct-to-video. YEP, THOSE HELLBOY NUMBERS ARE STARTING TO HAVE AN IMPACT - YOU CAN'T DO TWO FLICKS THAT FLOP AND PRETEND IT'S A HIT. Unofficial word also is that the HAUNTED MANSION remake is also dead.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    nattering nabobs

    by TV's Frank

    Strange how a thread that should have been a celebration by those who are excited about The Hobbit getting made became dominated by a conversation between a few PJ-hating naysayers. I personally love Jackson's LOTR trilogy despite its flaws and I think that there is every reason to believe that he will do a good job with The Hobbit. So I guess what I really want to say is: Piss off you negative fucks.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    never understand LOTR success

    by ForgetfulPete

    between the dime-store costumes that look to have come straight out of a RenFaire, wobbly Ring Wraiths bobbling around incoherently with bobble-heads because the actors were so short they built heads for them to make them taller that show no weight or muscle mass or strength, Orc costumes that look to have come right out of Central Casting for Monsters out of the worst of the 80s flicks IE expressionless, half-realized, half-the-face done in makeup and the other half ignored, inconsistent (some look like lizards, others like zombies, etc), riDIculous overacting and the incredibly gay subtext of just about EVERYTHING, it's a wonder why anyone went to see the things. That they won Oscars makes me simply imagine Peter Jackson saying "Money's on thw table, Chocolate" to the Academy.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    not to be picky, but <p> "greenlighted" is NOT a word

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    Given the Greenlight <p>Greenlit <p>But there is no such word as greenlighted. Come on, Quint, you're one of the best on AICN, don't start going for that ebonics/netspeak habit of making up or changing the spellings of words for the fun of it.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    oh yeah and let's not forget

    by ForgetfulPete

    in the first movie you couldn't tell anybody apart, they were all dudes with long reddish beards and armor, except for the Hobbits. And even the Hobbits were vaguely ginger pieces doing nothing but laughing, crying or rolling round the place.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Also

    by TV's Frank

    I like what RandySavage said in both of his above posts. I totally agree, except that I would clarify that I still love TTT and ROTK despite their not being up to FOTR's standard. I think part of that lessened quality of the second two films is just due to the fact that PJ had to incorporate a lot of disparate plot elements into those films that made them harder to present as a coherent narrative in terms of pacing, editing etc. than was the case for FOTR (also Jackson just made some obviously bad decisions). But The Hobbit is less likely to suffer from those problems, I think, as it is more of a straightforward, linear story, more along the lines of Fellowship. So I am quite optimistic about this.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    cocolopez

    by menacingphantom

    You had me at "hoard or whiny twats". I want to gay marry you.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Geek-gasm x2

    by gun_will_travel

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Dwarfs burping, shield surfing, dwarf tossing

    by Star Hump

    dwarfs farting. This is gonna be great.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    "lighted" & "lit" are interchangable

    by RandySavage

    Not to be a grammar douche, but both words are grammatically correct. <P> TV's Frank, I agree with you. The linear nature of the Hobbit, you'd think it would be much more straighforward/FOTR adaptation. <P> That said, my issues with TTT & ROTK, don't come from the mash-up of the Eastern (Frodo)- Western (Aragorn) storylines - more from less obvious things like ignoring the easily-included character aspect of Denethor being decent in nature but corrupted by Sauron/fear, and nitpicky things that only a few would care about, such as the rich townlands of Pelennor being substituted with a dry scrub desert, Gondor's archers in full plate armor - basically nerdy stuff that I can get obsessive over - most people should (and do) overlook & forgive these things.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    morGoth

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hail! Good to see you as well.<P>I did not mean to infer that Ringy and cocolopez were LOTR-based trolls - just familiar names from long ago. (Although, I think the general consensus is that Ringy is, indeed, Orson. And it's utterly BIZARRE how he comes out of nowhere evertime a LOTR-related story gets posted!)<P>Cheers!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Uhhh Rage_Against_Martin_Sheen... Whaaatevvvveerrrr!!!

    by chadiwack

    what the?!?!? your coment "...I'm sure PJ will muck it up and make it an dark epic, seamlessly leading to LOTR.. I was really happy to have Del Toro adapting"....yeah whatever you say mate... because all Del Toro's films are like a bunch of fluffy bunnies bouncing around casting disney PG rainbows everywhere... I mean Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy, Mimic were all so sweet and innocent... they weren't dark by any means. Check yo-self before yo wreck yo-self!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Hey BrainDrain...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...get fucked. Then, get a life.<P>Thanks!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Harvey Fierstein for the voice of Smaug

    by planetran_fan

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I'm personally glad the bloom's coming off the Del Toro rose

    by planetran_fan

    Give us the same shit over and over, and people will eventually see through it.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    ^ now that is funny.

    by RandySavage

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Overrated directors overrated movies blah

    by Avon

    He's overrated, she's overrated, everybody's overrated?? Do any of you fuckers like anything. Talkbacks make me ill with all this ill will. Just don't get any ideas that your opinion is anything more than another asshole when you spout your shit *you know who you are*.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    RE: "...greenlighted" around 100 times by now"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Once again, you prove that your name is more on the nose than you're aware. You should learn what "greenlight" actually means before you waste more of AICN's bandwidth.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You started it, muthafucka. Now, you have to deal.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz what don't the both of you kiss and make up?

    by chadiwack

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    But what about us black folk?

    by Rocco Curioso

    (Naw, just kiddin'). I suggest roping in PJ trainwreck alumnus Jack Black as a Hobbit. Please consider:<P>He's short. He's chunky. He's dim-witted yet elfin-lovable. And he probably has no qualms about jumping up and down on a bed with his brethren.<P>C'mon, Petey... us black folk demands you give our homey JB another shot at greatness.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    What the...?

    by Batguy

    I'm always glad to see differing and dissenting opinions, but when you anti-LOTR fanboys try to push your opinion like a Jehovah's witness will push theirs, it just pisses me off. Personally, I love the LOTR films. In fact, they're among my top ten. But they do have their flaws. That being said, please have your opinion, but must you state it as though yours is the only one that counts? The reality is that NONE of them count.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    the first LOTR movie was solid GOOD...the other 2...

    by future help

    fair to poor good looking flicks. Also: the Promise of an Ultimate Battle in 3...never happened...it Never looked as Bad-Ass as the peak we got in 1...WHAT up wit that? (and roaring to a Zep tune would of been nice too)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Longing Looks of Love

    by future help

    the movie

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:58 p.m. CST

    chadiwack

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Welcome to the world of BrainDrain (aka RPLocke, lockesbrokenleg, & skywalkerfamily). He is, without a doubt, AICN's most useless Talkbacker. It's believed that he never logs-off as he's here 24/7.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    AND they never should of CUT the death of Christopher Lee scene!

    by future help

    His death should of been left in the theater! I was so pissed to be "looking" for CHristopher Lee and some sort of end to his character.!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    Shoot it in GB

    by Thall_Joben

    England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales. New Zealand wasn't the Middle Earth Tolkien envisioned. It was a travel brochure.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3 p.m. CST

    The Chad, I'm going off of interviews with Del Toro

    by Rage_Against_Martin_Sheen

    about adapting the Hobbit... he really seemed to get it.. the elves, the animals, Beorn. Sheesh, buddy. No need to get your Legolas undies in a wad.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Metaldominance

    by Out of your element

    Just, shut up. The fact that those films were even made is an amazing accomplishment. Yeah they are flawed it certain ways, but we are talking about THE epic story of the 20th century. Also, those key scenes probably wouldnt have worked at all in a movie. And the movies were beautifully shot and edited pretty damn well. Shows what you know. Pirates trilogy sucks ass btw. Now THAT is a half-assed trilogy.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I love you, haters.

    by DocPazuzu

    Oh, how I love the inevitable meatheaded backlash stampede instigated by tasteless gimps years after it actually would have taken guts to launch it. The exception here being Ringy who, although a walking taint, at least has been consistently myopic for the better part of a decade regarding anything Jackson-related. That deserves some sort of respect. No, the ones I really love are the ones who think enough time has gone by that they can vomit forth any unfounded bile they see fit to without anyone calling them on it. <p> Guess again, scrote-snugglers. <p> I'm simply all a-tingle over the news of Jackson returning to the director's chair for The Hobbit (suck it, Ringy) and equally excited about the potentially earth-shaking talkbacks we have ahead of us. Imagine talkbacks with all the heat, venom and combat of the Transformers TBs, minus the suck of AsimovLives' presence. See what I mean? Something tells me these coming wars will be the final burst of awesome for the otherwise sad, dishevelled and pathetic AICN we have suffered though over the past few years. <p> If this is indeed to be our ragnarok, then let's make it count gentlemen. And by gentlemen I am specifically referring to Mr.NiceGaius and MorGoth in this present talkback and to a few others who haven't yet shown up but most certainly will in the months to come. <p> Fix bayonets!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    lol..true I'll unwad my legolas undies when you stop scratchin y

    by chadiwack

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Finally

    by mortsleam

    Not all that happy about PJ being forced into doing it to get it done, though. If his heart's not in it, how can he be expected to give it the thought and care that it deserves? Plus, yeah, Lovely Bones was complete disaster. Every decision they made in translating the book to a movie was wrong. The complete opposite of the *mostly* tasteful choices, additions, and conflations of LOTR. There's a lot of apprehension going into this. Especially inflating the book into a two-movie epic. I agree with everyone else who said, "Film Christopher Lee's scenes right now!"

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    ...oh, and preach it, cocolopez!

    by DocPazuzu

    Never thought I'd ever hear myself saying that.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    ..ment to say stop scratchin your ballbaggins.

    by chadiwack

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    starqrts

    by JaredP

    the new james bond will start filming this coming spring

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    RandySavage

    by TV's Frank

    I agree with what you said about Denethor being made much more one-dimensional in the movies. The dumbing-down of certain characters such as Denethor was among Peter's worst offenses. I also hated what he did with Faramir in TTT (he was better in ROTK) and the fact that he relegated Gimli almost entirely to comic relief. Hopefully he will treat the dwarves in The Hobbit with more respect. I do have some qualms about that in particular but am optimistic. I think it is probably a good thing that Del Toro was also involved in writing the script. I know that the movies will be great in terms of direction, editing, visual effects, musical score etc. I believe the overall quality of the final product is ultimately going to come down to the screenplay.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I'll stick to the Tolkien family's opinion of His works...

    by Ironhelix

    ...and that is that they are "unfilmable". All the magic and essence was lost in LotR, and I suspect the same will happen to The Hobbit.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Hey, I remember Orson.

    by TV's Frank

    That was a while back.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Indeed and well said, sir. Let this be such an end as to be worthy of remembrance!<P>"RIDE NOW! RIDE!...NOW! RIDE FOR RUIN AND THE WORLD'S ENDING!!!"

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:38 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by DocPazuzu

    Glad and honored to be with you in the trenches. I know you'll be front and center when we go over the top. <p> "Death! DEEEAAAATH!!!"

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Puff the Magic Dragon as Smaug

    by iceman199

    Also forget New Zealand. Shoot it in Detroit. Huge tax incentives in Michigan.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Hell yeah, DocPaz.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Over the top and into the breach until my slaughterin' arm is tired.<P>"How fast are you going to run?"<P>"As fast as a leopard!"<P>"Then let's see you do it!"

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    TV's Frank, I'm very optomistic about PJ's Hobbit

    by RandySavage

    for a number of reasons, in addition than those already stated. <P> LotR, the book, can be a pretty deep and heavy - as Tolkien himself said its central theme is death. I love the book, and so every move away from its themes, characterization, dialogue & plotting, I see as magnified. <P> Hobbit, as has been mentioned, is much lighter adventure - less a sacred cow - and less dear to me (though I still love it). So, I'm not as concerned about deviations & liberties PJ may take. <P> Second, I'm interested in seeing how PJ handles the Necromancer, Dol Guldur, the White Council and other things that are only mentioned in passing. <P> I don't want to jinx it, but it seems to me like a slam dunk. There are no other films in the Hollywood pipeline I'm half as anticipating as these. <P> My wishlist for PJ: 1. Cast a relatively unknown (no more famous than Martin Freeman) english-accented actor in the central role. <P> 2. Don't give the dwarves strong Scottish accents, laddie. 3. Don't somehow shove Arwen in Bilbo's quest to give the film female appeal.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    RIP Barbara Billingsley

    by disfigurehead

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by DocPazuzu

    Heh. <p> Here's hoping we're at least not heading for another Gallipoli.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Braindrain

    by DocPazuzu

    You utter, useless douchenozzle. You have not posted one single item under any of your usernames which: <p> a) made any point <p> b) made any friends <p> c) made any sense <p> Now fuck off, you subhuman non-sequitur.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    DocPaz

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's true. The "over the top" image is an evocative one; it stirs the blood and the desire to go out in a blaze of troll-slayin' glory. (I'm glad that Gallipoli reference wasn't lost on you!)

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Excuse me, Stewardess!?

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    I speak Jive! <p>RIP Barbara Billingsley

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Indeed, Turd.

    by DocPazuzu

    Let trolls suck each other's dicks long enough in TB and things like that will pop up.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Hey, I liked the Rankin-Bass cartoons

    by Chief Joseph

    An early American-Japanese co-production before that became "hip". (Animatrix, Gotham Knight, Halo Legends) The Ralph Bakshi one flat out sucked, though. "Aruman", my ass.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    "...zzzzzzzzzz..."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Apparently, that is the actual sine-wave representation of BrainDrain's brain "activity".

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    YAAAAAAAAWN

    by MichelleRodrijizz

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    PADDY CONSIDINE - Bilbo

    by SpartacusHughes

    .

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    BRENDAN GLEESON - Thorin

    by SpartacusHughes

    ..

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Oh no! He's flatlined!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Perfect timing, ArmedNDrunk!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL FASSBENDER - Bard the Bowman

    by SpartacusHughes

    ..

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    "As for soundtracks...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I am too into my own work to slow down and start listening to other people's. Maybe when I finish my album I'll have time to check other stuff out." <p> Shhhh!.... Don't disturb the genius at work.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    If you read that book of Tolkien's letters

    by Dennis_Moore

    you'll discover that he was very much interested in seeing his books made into movies, especially because he needed the money for his family's medical bills.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    DrainedBrain posts are ignorant twaddle

    by STICKY WHITE

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain lives at home with his mom

    by STICKY WHITE

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    How would you know?

    by STICKY WHITE

    Even if that were true, at least I actually have friends. The same cannot be said for your infantile ass.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Unless you consider

    by STICKY WHITE

    the C-list celebrities that you stalk on Twitter to be your friends. Hate to break it to you, but they probably don't feel the same.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Me? Miserable?

    by STICKY WHITE

    You sure like to project your insecurities onto others a whole hell of a lot. It must suck for your poor mother to see your sorry ass in her house every day.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    I'm relatively certain that Jackson will do a good job, but...

    by rbatty024

    I was kind of interested to see another director's take on this material. The Hobbit is a very different book, written in a much different manner. It would be interesting, then, to have a director who would try and capture that difference.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Alienating everyone?

    by STICKY WHITE

    More projection. Do you have any self-awareness at all? Is calling me an asshole for calling you out as the 38 year old, live at home, manchild that you are all that you can come up with? Go ahead, call me Beaks again. That always works!

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain

    by DocPazuzu

    You really SHOULD hand me a gun. Please.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Every day?

    by STICKY WHITE

    You sure like to exaggerate don't you? Besides, I only harass you really. And yes, it is pretty fun. What about you? You troll these boards 24/7 saying anything you possibly can to rile people up, then attempt to play victim when called on it. Is that fun for you?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I'll stop when you stop

    by STICKY WHITE

    No, I don't own AICN, but neither do you. On topic you say? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit! You truly are delusional man. Overweight? I'm skinny as fuck actually. Besides, can't really take that as an insult coming from your 250 pound ass. Try again.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    there is just one problem about shooting in the uk..

    by emeraldboy

    the tories abolished the uk film council. It took mel gibson to launch the irish film industry. I would fight to get Jackson to ireland. Soderbergh shot that Gina Carno for 6 months in dublin and nobody has done that before. using dublin as a base to start filming has never happened. it was a huge coup to soderbergh.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Good one Drain

    by STICKY WHITE

    Ever noticed how fixated you are on anal type descriptions, i.e., shitty, asshole, crap, etc..? Were there complications during your potty training?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:15 p.m. CST

    So soon? Bye Drain

    by STICKY WHITE

    Hope you enjoy diddling your rectum with your "fun" finger. Until next time...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    There it is!!!

    by STICKY WHITE

    I somehow knew you wouldn't give up so easily. Your trolling compulsion just wouldn't allow it. Throw those stones Drain!! It's only glass after all...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Ooooh

    by STICKY WHITE

    I see what you did there. You're so clever Drain. How's that working out for you?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    A Million Obese Virgins Just Got Wood

    by LaserPants

    Everyone else shrugs and moves along.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah once you hit 250

    by Star Hump

    the real depression hits. Ooo gotta run. Hot dogs are ready.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    So clever

    by STICKY WHITE

    My name is BrainDrain and I have nothing to say of any merit about anything whatsoever. I can't even be bothered to change the name in my copy/paste insult. Please piss on me.

  • the problem is that the Hobbit lacks a love story.thats what essentially made the LOTR trilogy so successful in the first place,outside the geek circle.<br /> <p>I have seen it from first hand,but i have listened about this from a lot of other people,that a lot of men brought their girlfriends to watch the movie,and a lot of women enjoyed it because of the love story in it.in fact somewhere i the majority of the demographic that watched the Trilogy was women.<br /> <p>I mean do you think that PJ was stupid when he Hollywood-ized the books and brought the love story between Aragon and Liz Tyler,or the other blond female who wants to become warrior and at the end she kills the Dark Knight (no i dont mean Batman,spare me i dont remember the characters' names)<br /> this is the stuff that makes the Twilight movies so successful,the women eat this shit up and the love it.<br /> <p>The Hobbit will be a big hit,thats for the granted,but it wont reach LOTR's level of success.But PJ is not oblivious to this,he knows what it worked in the first time in LOTR,he understands the limitations of the Hobbit story and you can bet your ass that he is going to make some major changes to the main story,to make it with a more mainstream appeal.<br /> <p>Probably in the movie,the team will be more diverse.There will definitely be a human in the team thats for sure,who wants to find the treasure or kill the dragon in order to save his beloved princess,and Bilbo at the start will only want to find the treasure because he is greedy,but then he becomes a good guide and decides to help his human friend.<br /> <p>and i say that a human is going to be in the team,because the love story is not going to work if it is between the audience.the female audience wont care about the love relationship between two hairy midgets,it is a bit diffult to fantasize sexy hobbits when you get fucked in the bed in the night.<br /> <p>thats why you need a love interest,a human male in the team,the protagonist hobbit to be motivated by higher moral values and gentle emotions,instead of greed and only the thirst for adventure.come guys,we are talking about Hollywood,about a product to sell,which means that we are going to witness changes of this kind in the movie,in order to sell the movie in more people apart from the dedicated fans.they did it the first time and it worked,they are surely going to do it again with the Hobbit.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    yeah but no but yeah but no

    by kimbers

    i want jackson to do it but a few things bother me..... 1 lotr was awesome but fuckin cheesey in places -in a too much enya not emough slayer kinda way 2 jackson is looking a bit old now bad taste took no prisonersit happens, spileberg, lucas, cameron, they start out daring, pushing boundries end up pumping out hollywood friendly happy morality tales 3 any film thats had directors dropped in and out and legal battles out the ass before its even started doesnt bode well saying all that im still hopeful these 2 films will blow me away

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Didn't Del Toro say Cameron told him...

    by CountryBoy

    ... that he (Del Toro) would NEVER direct THE HOBBIT 'cause Tolkein was Jackson's territory, and ultimately he would never give it up? I thought that was really interesting, if true.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    The Real Smaug = The Investors + Lawyers + Unions

    by PartTimeMasseur

    It's BECAUSE everyone knows this is guaranteed to make a billion that everyone wants a bigger piece of this pie and the reason that the powers that be are willing to hold hostage what should be a love letter to the fans. I will gladly be downloading THE HOBBIT and donating the money I would have spent on these movies to charity.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    This thread went downhill

    by EpilepticLurcher

    when MentalDiminutive and his pals started bashing Hitchcock and Kubrick. Guess 2001 was too cerebral for these intellectual pygmies.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the Arwen/Aragon love story taken from footnotes?

    by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS

    I seem to remember it being something that Tolkien originally came up with and Peter Jackson and the other scriptwriters just expanded on. <p> As far as book to film translations go, Lord of the Rings is probably one of the most faithful I've ever seen.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    BrainDrain we are talking about big budget,mainstream

    by KilliK

    Hollywood movies which combine spectacle,fantasy,entertainment and ofc love interest.take a hint:<br /> <p>Avatar,Titanic,POTC,Prince of Persia,Inception,TDK,Spiderman,Indiana Jones,Matrix,ID4,D9,Transformers,Twilight,SW Prequels,Harry Potter,LOTR and so on.all these movies do have in a degree a love interest.<br /> <p>capisce?

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Excited, but nervous....

    by GeorgieBoy

    While I think he's the best man for the job, I fear that his being coerced into making these movies will compromise the quality somehow. He's going to go to work on the Hobbit every day angry that he had no choice but to make it.<br><br> Good luck, Peter. I only hope you fall in love with Middle Earth again before it's too late...

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I thought Martin Freeman was the guy from Half Life

    by IceTitan

    I was like wtf are you serious? He was being considered? He doesn't look anything like Bilbo..

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    GeneralJSJockson

    by EpilepticLurcher

    I read all the crap you guys were posting. <P>"2001 is too slow" It spans millions of years then charts HAL 9000's slow descent into madness as it approaches the intelligence giving monolith and blows the computer's mind.<P>"Hitchcock only made 1 good film" How about checking out North By Northwest or Vertigo?<P>You and your pals talked a load of shite and should get called on it. As for me being part of a group or having pals on here, then you're sadly mistaken as I'm a long term lurker and have no affiltiates here. I just like to call bullshit when I see it and you and your buddies talked the biggest stinking heap of shite I've ever seen on AICN and because it was uninterrupted you think it was a decent conversation.<P>Get the fuck out of here imbecile.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:30 p.m. CST

    GeneralJSJockson

    by EpilepticLurcher

    I was referring to your whole chat not what you said as an individual.<P>What I quoted was said in you're conversation and proves it was puerile shit spewed by morons.<P>Sweeps away another internet twat who thinks his opinion is gospel and should be respected.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    CountryBoy

    by Bass Ackwards

    I actually read an interview with Cameron where Cameron recalled that same conversation.

  • Oct. 16, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    2 more films about....

    by Kakii

    ..... Fucking walking! Jackson should stick to what he's good at - low budget horror

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    CHRISTOPER LEE

    by Lord Elric

    If anyone associated with THE HOBBIT movies is reading any of this, Please make this happen. I know it'll likely require a shoot in London, but it's a significant role and It would be wonderful to see Saruman's full arc played out. Alright, I've said my peace. As you were...;)

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu, people are sincere, I think.

    by Ringwearer9

    The films just don't hold up. Not everyone was as ahead of the curve as I was, of course, but the films have been playing on cable this past year repeatedly. People get to just appreciated them for what they are .... and the flaws are way more apparent in the casual setting of the living room.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Re: Filming in Ireland

    by Ciderman

    What the feck is wrong with filming in Ireland???? It nice here you know! Plus, most of the myths that Tolkien wrote had roots in Celtic mythology, and we invented that too, so, come on, we'll leave the key under that mat at the door, ok?

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Bollocks Quint ?

    by Keith Maniac

    Whatever next my dear chap, you'll be drinking warm Beer, dropping your Hs and calling Women Slags !!!!!

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 3:37 a.m. CST

    that painting

    by KGB3317

    of the dragon is awesome!

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Jackson pissed Christopher Lee off big time

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Really breathtakingly dumb more to cut the spectacular death scene of Sauron. Jackson had been smoking Bilbo's crack pipe that day for sure.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Ringy

    by DocPazuzu

    I have no doubt that you're sincere when your hatred of Jackson is so deep that you even start criticizing the color of fire in the King Kong trailer. You were also very sincere when you accused Mori of being insincere when his review claimed that he liked the film. It simply means that you're an honest lunatic rather than a lying one. <p> I still have a copy of your infamous King Kong review, which is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I have ever read in talkback. <p> Stay special, cookie.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Flim Springfield

    by Shaw

    They don't need a big ad, or even correct spelling

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 7:49 a.m. CST

    For Smaug

    by pilgrim64

    I think Jason Statham has the right kind of gravelly voice that is needed. Won't belive it's coming out until I see some trailers Regarding 2001, I watched it not too long ago and the line "it's full of stars" isn't actually in it. It's in the book and in 2010 but not 2001. RIP Barbara Billingsley

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 8:19 a.m. CST

    The only thing I worry about is forced epicocity...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I realize this needs to get huge eventually, but they need to let it start like a small story and let it snowball. Respect the lighter tone of THE HOBBIT, at least at the beginning.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST

    ...well, that and I worry about the Dwarves...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Gimli was one of the worst parts of the LOTR movies. I can't fucking take 13 John Rhys-Davies Dwarves...one was too much.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    shut up...

    by Skankardly

    nerds.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Does this mean

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Mike Francesa and Ken Whisenhunt will finally get a moment alone?

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    T H E H O B B I T.<p> Fucking your furry feet in 2013.<p> Nothing else matters.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Epicosity does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Flicka, you're right on the epicosity and right to invent a new word.<p> The English language already has around 540,000, but epicosity has been sorely missing until now.<p> Epicosity should be kept to a minimum in THE HOBBIT because the book doesn't have the glowering sense of dread and coming war that LOTR has. However, Smaug burning up Lake Town ought to give it a bit of grandeur and there's plenty of potential for some great set pieces (Mirkwood, Gollums riddle, Wargs and Beorn, Battle of 5 Armies...).<p> ...so yes let the epicosity build. Don't spunk it all over the screen in the first five minutes like FORT did with the Isildur vs Sauron battle.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Ringwearer, I watched all 3 extended editions earlier in the year and thought they 'held up' brilliantly.<p> Dipping in and out, watching 15 mins or so on cable... that's def not the way to take these films in.<p> But watching the EE versions like a mini-series over a couple of weeks (an hour one night, maybe an hour the next), they still make for a magnificent 11 odd hours of cinema.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Too little, too late

    by Hooded Justice

    Wrong writer and director for this material. Jackson and Boyens are well past their best.<p>Jackson has had one excellent film so far - Heavenly Creatures - and that was 16 years ago. Since then, Jackson has become bogged down in CGI-heavy, over-long adaptations. Story and pacing have been sacrificed to the absolute necessity of stretching the material to three-hour (plus) running-time and cramming those hours with as much CGI as possible. The Hobbit needed a new director with a fresh story-focussed approach.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    NZ is not ME

    by Son of the Suns

    Saying that NZ is middle earth is quite simply nonsense. I suppose it could be if you completely ignored where the books were written, who they were written by and where the places were based upon. Ignoring those and that vast amounts of LOTR landscape were CGI, then yes, NZ is completely middle earth. For those that know better, The Shire is definitely Oxfordshire and Mordor is definitely Swindon.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Flickapoo re 13 dwarves

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    You're absolutely right. Even five dwarves is overkill but THIRTEEN!? The thing is Tolkien never intended for The Hobbit for publication let alone a film. He wrote the story for his children, a ridiculous bedtime story. Hence the characters are not fleshed out properly, there is no deep and meaningful dialog going on. Bilbo is actually pretty one dimensional compared to Frodo. At the end of the book he's had the adventure he wanted, he's wealthier and...well..that's it. Methinks they are making this for the money grab. Maybe WB, New Line and MGM will be licking severe financial wounds.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    ...The Dojo knows...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...epic exists, or does not exist. Force it and it just becomes ocity.<P> The Battle Of Five Armies has a lot of epic potential...implied at least. I like how in the book that part feels like the sudden intrusion of a much larger and darker world.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Middle-Earth is Europe

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    The Shire is England, Mordor is the World War 1 trenches in battle torn Europe. Tolkien was a soldier and Frodo is most certainly based on his own experiences of going away and coming back spiritually broken and mentally scarred.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Planty, true story. I had the pleasure of meeting one of Tolkien's children. His daughter - quite an elderly lady. And being the Dojo I asked her about making a film of LOTR and she said 'it couldnt be done'. This was about 5 years before PJ did it. I'd like to ask her the same question now...

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    ...yeah, Planty...I think 13 Dwarves are will be...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...a challenge on film. You don't want it to be confusing, and then you have the SNOW WHITE comparisons...<P> Wait, is Bombur Sleepy or Bashful?

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    ...very cool, Cobra...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...of course she'd probably give you the same answer today. Tolkiens seem to be a stubborn bunch.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    ...by the way, who is this dashless Cobra--Kai...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...running around recently?

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by savagedave

    "I still have a copy of your infamous King Kong review, which is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I have ever read in talkback."<p>Share it!

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST

    A change of location might actually help the film.

    by rbatty024

    Don't get me wrong, New Zealand is a gorgeous country, but because The Hobbit is such a radically different book, I wouldn't mind a different feel. Look at what Cuaron did to the Harry Potter series when he jumped on board. I think a similar revamping would do the Hobbit some good.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Good to hear

    by Smack_Teddy

    Hopefully then filming in New Zealand wont be a problem once things move ahead in production. The Uk or otherwise wouldn't be a bad substitute for New Zealand, The Hobbits going to be slightly different in scale and tone anyway isnt it?....but surely that wont' happen right? Too much money/work in the bank for New Zealand.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:06 a.m. CST

    LOTR films

    by Kaitain

    I find that Fellowship is the only one that bears much repeat viewing. It has a sense of the epic, real flair, and (crucially) a sense of sadness hanging over everything, which is its emotional core. (The Argonath sequence is one of the best.) <p> TTT and ROTK feel kind of movie by numbers to me, the latter especially. It's all very competent, but there are few moments that really engage me emotionally. And some of the scenes in ROTK seem to have been designed to be as slow as humanly possible, which seems a weird decision for an already-lengthy movie.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Of course

    by Kaitain

    ...part of the issue is that source material itself doesn't lend itself very well to a cinematic format, especially the final book.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Fuck Hobbit and the hairy midgets

    by KilliK

    i want to see Silmarillion in the big screen in 3D.that is epically the true epic epicness.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    If you read SIr Micheal Deeleys book...

    by emeraldboy

    deerhunters, bladerunners and blowin the bloody doors off. Lee's treatment of people who edit his screentime is outrageous. decades after the wicker man was released lee was still railing about how they cut his screentime. he is such a truculent actor its unreal.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    savagedave

    by DocPazuzu

    Contact me in the Zone and I'll hook you up!

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    CobraKai does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Itonically dashless Cobra isn't quite as dashing as me!<p> He's a guy I had abit of a ding dong with a while back but then we kissed and made up, and now I have no problem with his leg sweeps.<p> Surely, the more Cobra the better.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Mordor is Swindon

    by EpilepticLurcher

    Class, but I always thought it was Glasgow.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Or post your e-mail address...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and I'll send it to you.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu can you send it to me too?

    by KilliK

    <p>here is my email:<br /> <p>killik0@yahoo.gr

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Doc, now you've got me intrigued too... but I don't like going in The Zone - that place gives me the heebie jeebies.<p> Surely you can post an 'excerpt' from this infamous piece?

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The people have spoken!

    by Rocco Curioso

    The weekend U.S. box office numbers are in:<P>"Jackass 3D": $50 million<P>"Red": $22.5 million.<P>Why the huge discrepancy? Well, the 3D craze that "you kids today" have been so enamored of since Cameron's themepark-movie hybrid seems to still be in full swing. But you know what the real reason is?--- MIDGETS! "Jackass 3D" has one (Professor Emiritus Wee Man), and "Red" had none. Case closed.<P>Instead of digitally shortytizing normal-sized actors (as he did in the LOTR trilogy), I suggest PJ employ actual midgets for the two Hobbit shindigs. It will add realism and restore empathy with society's malcontents.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm

    by BatVomit

    Why look for another actor to play Bilbo? Just get Ian Holm to reprise his role. LOTR already had a flashback scene of Holm, as a younger Bilbo, finding the ring. I know Holm has aged since then, but hell, with CGI, make-up, and prosthetics, he could easily be made to look like a young Bilbo. There's just no point in getting a younger actor to make the film series less cohesive when Holm could easily reprise the role. Otherwise it will be just like the Hannibal Lector series where you have Jonathan Demme and Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs playing Crawford & Starling, then having Julian Moore and Harvey Keitel playing the same characters in the other films.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    A generation of critics instead of leaders.

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is Overrated. Geez, and you wonder why creativity is at a standstill? Maybe if some of you armchair quarterbacks went out and made your own stuff maybe we could get the LOTR movies we deserve. Until then, STFU.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Replacing Holm in FOTR

    by savagedave

    Really don't think its necessary, should just live him in, regardless of whether they're recasting him in The Hobbit.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I would love for Holm to reprise his role.

    by rbatty024

    There might be a problem with his age, but if they can get around that, then I say the more Ian Holm, the better (this is true for all movies).

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Hobbit women or women the size of hobbits equal great blowjobs

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    You KNOW Gandalf was not visiting the shire just to see Bilbo. He had tow or three hobbit babes under those robes at all times!

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm - get defuck outta here. I like the dude but dang

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    All of you crying for Holm would be the first ones bitching your fool heads off with all of the CGI that would be needed to make a very old man be able to do what Bilbo does in a Hobbit movie. Some geeks just can't see the forest for the fucking trees

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by DocPazuzu

    Yeah, I hate the Zone, too. I just use it for private messaging. <p> As for Ringy's review, it's a whopping nine pages (including his demented attacks on Harry, Mori and Vern). I'd repost it all in TB, but that's what got TomBodet banned a few years ago. <p> An excerpt? <p> "Regarding the opening scenes in New York.... The opening montage was jumbled and annoying, and pointlessly confused with the intercutting to the Vaudeville show and the homeless, until Anne if finally introduced, and the "Sitting on Top of the World" song seemed out of place and tasteless." <p> "The only chance they would have of survival is to have Kong pull them back up before Jack's muscles gave out. I was afraid jack would jump through the air to grab a bat, but he simply reaches out with one hand to grab a bat, which didn't look too bad, even though he is only holding on to the vine with one hand, with Anne on his back, a really dodgy move to make, but the bat doesn't seem to have enough wing-area to support TWO fully grown adults, no matter how hard he flaps. All three should have dropped like stones." <p> "As I said, Kong vs. the Biplanes was the part I truly enjoyed, but even there there's cheating, for cheap gags, as when Anne is falling from a collapsing ladder, Kong is reaching to her, but she's out of reach, she lets go and falls screaming, ... only Kong catches her, without us seeing how the hell he got down below her, or how his arms managed to stretch to reach her. Cheap and Stupid, similar to the gag where Treabeard stomps on the Orc, with Merry, who was under the orc, magically jumping several feet away to avoid being stomped on too." <p> Now imagine nine fucking pages of this sad, anally retentive drivel.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Whats this zone you speak of?

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    where people can post nine page long screeds? imma haveto take a look at that

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Kobe

    by DocPazuzu

    No, he posted it in ordinary talkback. The Zone is the hoidy-toidy forum within AICN where people login to discuss shit without the scum and villainy of talkback. No fun at all, in other words.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Where do I get my 2011 Tailenders Reunion Tour tickets?

    by Rocco Curioso

    You haven't lived until you've heard 5-6 geezers thump their walkers in unison to the opening of Queen's "We Will Rock You".

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Jews = real life Hobbits

    by MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse

    FACT

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    thanx DocPaz

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    i just checked it out- looks like a cleaner chud, fuck that.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    hey corpse fucker! go lick a hobbits dripping ass clean with ur

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    you necrophiliac fucking homosexual pederast goat fucking freak

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Hobbits = pussy Liberals.

    by ZodNotGod

    Good God and the queer floodgates will open with more pussy Hobby bullshit. These will suck worse than a whore with herpes.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Fellowship was a good flick....

    by ZodNotGod

    The other two are over-rated ass rape. The second one being the absolute worst with all that buildup to what exactly? and the last one ending with 44 endings and of course the hobbits jumping on the bed like it was pride day in San Fransisco. Ugh. I was never a fan so I'm not dog-piling on, since I've hated them from the second flick on.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Film it where it was set... Yorkshire Dales.

    by workshed

    Fuck the pay... there's ten-thousand actors in Yorkshire would do it for nowt, me included.

  • Oct. 17, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Ian Holm for Bilbo!

    by Shaw

    Nah, that's a terrible idea. Martin Freeman would be perfect. Nervous about the Christopher Lee situation. Not only is he very long in the tooth, I'm sure he's still pissed about being axed out of ROTK. Can't imagine a recast though.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Good

    by Cobbio

    Jackson's on board and the movies have been greenlit.<p> Can't wait to see these films!

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Howard Shore's work on LOTR is the best thing

    by Joely_Boy

    about those movies. Some of the best notes ever chosen by a composer. FACT!

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Oh just shut up already. It's gonna be great. Period

    by corplhicks

    Any of u who think it won't be great are cum guzzling morons. Jackson boynes and Walsh have a true passion for tolkein and for writing dialogue. As for the story and script of course it will be adapted and modified but u can bet ur ass it will be true to the story and tolkein. Lotr mot

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Oh just shut up already. It's gonna be great. Period

    by corplhicks

    Any of u who think it won't be great are cum guzzling morons. Jackson boynes and Walsh have a true passion for tolkein and for writing dialogue. As for the story and script of course it will be adapted and modified but u can bet ur ass it will be true to the story and tolkein. Lotr not good some of u say??? Youre hopeless

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Can't go home again...

    by lukestarkiller

    Did anyone learn from Da Prequal tril? You Can't go home again. LOTR...very good but it started to wear out it's welcome in ROTK (aka the ENDLESS goodbye movie)... Structurally, Hobbit isn't nearly as coherent as Rings and despite the Loser Fanboy Brigade(aka Parents Basement Dwelling Pathetic Manboy Virgins on AICN) dancing with joy like a masterbating bear (aka "self pleasuring Panda" since NBC owns the former), while it will probably gross well (heel the SW prequels did VERY well)it won't be nearly as good or acclaimed as the Rings trilogy. Every story has it's time and Middle Earth (at least Jackson's vision/version of it) has passed.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Lukestarkillermoron

    by corplhicks

    So u think that when the rings came out the books were like 65 years old. Now they will be 75 years old and it's all over ???? If it's done well it will be loved. And btw the ending of rotk was perfect for the ending of an epic this massive in scale. The rings movies were an incredible achievement

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST

    There. Their. They're.

    by BiggusDickus

    *sigh*<p>Once more for the thickies:<p>There = Over there; Their = Belongs to them; They're = They are.<p>Sorted? Lovely! Moving on...

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Who will play Smaug?

    by KilliK

    probably Van Kilmer...

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:27 a.m. CST

    So are these babies gonna be

    by Ghostball

    3D or what? I know it's not exactly the done thing around here, but I'm a bit of fan of the format, when done right *flails here hysterically while you all line up to me with knives, baseball bats etc Airplane style* <p>Definitely hoping for more of a Fellowship vibe than the "comedy gold" mining of the other two, though moments like (but not too similar to) Returns'lighting of the beacons would be a welcome return. I've got a feeling Jackson will nail Smaug's grim majesty, and will cast someone pretty leftfield (and gosh darned right) for Bilbo. <p>I have high hopes (remember them?)that this movie won't Poochie out on us, although it's been a while, hasn't it Jackson... you haven't amassed a whole brood of adopted kids since the success of the trilogy, for whom you wish to beqeathe the wall-to-wall, morally fibrous cinematic gift of Saruman "shooting first", do you? <p>Also, I pretty much have my fingers crossed, highly sacriligously, that we get not ONLY a Silmarillion follow up, but also a ton of extremely tight, dark, non-canon new material onto the screens set in the Arda universe. Imagine a Del Toro/Jackson/Blompkamp-directed Middle-Earth story set 5000 years later, in OUR time but in a parallel universe where all the original Ring wars shit actually HAD happened in primeval times. Modern-but-exotic tech, mixed in with swords and sorcery - the descendants of the denizens of Mordor and Gondor, and all the other Dors, settling old scores using not only occult psychological attacks but nukes, aircraft and particle beam weapons - developed from recovered parchment fragments pertaining to the One Ring's construction. Yeah, we had Star Wars, but that jumped the shark a long time ago in a galaxy not all that far, and it ain't like King Beard's gonna be letting anyone loose - live action movie-wise - with his toys any time soon. Back to the subject at hand. As to love interest to placate the - ahem - chicks - or no, I'm good either way, as long as we don't end up looking at our watches as the protags recite poetry to one another for five hourse, a la the Two Towers special edition. Fuck me - we GET it, Jackson - they're really into each other. Let's also hope here that Jackson defintely doing these two means Del Toro now has totally no distractions with AtMoM.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    I think PJ NEEDS to do this so that...

    by workshed

    ...he can get on with making something different without everyone saying 'when's The Hobbit coming?' Much the same as G.Lucas should have done in 1983. However, this already troubled production is making the production of 'Kong' look like a walk in the park. I have only love for the man who brought me 'Bad Taste' and 'Brain Dead' in my youth so good luck Peter! Just remember to get plenty of sleep when you make this or it'll kill ya.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Bad Taste sequel...

    by Ghostball

    Going over the Invaders' homeworld, and Jackson going back to his roots - we could get some really crazy Thing-like stop-motion and animatronic shit with the kind of budget he could command these days, even for an R movie...

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    FUCK THIS HOBBIT SHIT! WHERE IS BOND?!

    by ricarleite2

    Daniel Craig cries alone in the shower.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    How do you keep 13 dwarves distinguishable??

    by darthwaz1

    wow that's gonna be hard! Best bet is to keep them visually very different so they're instantly recognizable! I agree that Bad Taste/Feebles/Dead Alive are PJ's best movies!!

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    you don't need to keep the 13 dwarfs seperate

    by MurderMostFowl

    Only two or 3 of them have of them do anything anyway IIRC, it's been a long time since I've read the book.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Coupl'a'things

    by Mr Gorilla

    First up, I am glad to see the love here for FELLOWSHIP, which many people including myself feel is far and away the best film of the trilogy. Please, Mr Jackson, more of that vibe and less of the action/FX extravaganza that the rest of the trilogy became. Secondly, I think he should cast British and Irish actors. No Americans, no Australians. Just because the bad English accents were getting quite annoying. It has to be said, this is something that the Harry Potter films got right.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    It may have already been said but

    by Kremzeek

    I don't see Christopher Lee coming back. He's already said publicly he'd love to be part of it, but he won't travel anymore because he's too old now. (Interview is out there somewhere - Google it.) Unless he suddenly does a 180, I don't see it happening, unfortunately.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    FOTR is my fav, too, MrGorilla

    by Kremzeek

    Was always my fav of the books and it stands true for the films as well.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Aye

    by Smack_Teddy

    its suprising but nice to see alot of people feel the same way about Fellowship - i like the other two films, but feel nothing for example got closer to the emotional resonance, or more exhilirating than the balrog in the mines or the orc chase/fight seen at the end of fellowship, which was essentially guys in great prosphetics, with great direction/editing.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    "u can bet ur ass it will be true to the story and tolkein"

    by Damned if I can login

    That is a bet I will NOT take.<p>Anyone that took that bet for the first three "adaptations" is currently ass-less.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Roll A d20, Make A Saving Throw Against Being An Obese Virgin

    by LaserPants

    Everyone excited about this news failed the saving throw whether they got 20 or not. Everyone else made the saving throw and likely has a girlfriend(s) / wife and/or life that isn't sad to the point of being embarrassing.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Lawks people, just get over it right now...

    by morGoth

    ...Jackson wil not do a faithfull re-telling of our beloved, "The Hobbit." It will be tailored as a prequel to the movies...NOT the book. Yes, two movies full of "fan-fic", epicosity (see: Silmarillion backstory), at least two more major battles and probably more elf lust/love in Thranduill's Woodland Realm. IOW, Jackson's usual, though one can only hope, SLIGHTLY, bloated scripting.<p>The Big Questions is...will there be a narrator? If yes, it will capture more of the childlike tone of the book. If no, which I prefer, it means more fabricated story by Jackson and His Ladies. It remains to be seen how much of delToro's influence will survive.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    LaserPants...

    by morGoth

    ...gets a -20 hit for using a cliche that was stale when LotR was being made. C'mon, can't you trollers come up with some new material?

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The More You Read

    by Droll_Troll

    the more you learn fanboys and trolls have not matured in the past 9 years. Listen up and learn a lesson. If you utter the name of a troll, give them an iota of attention, you're their trapped bitch. Your only hope of escape is to bicker til sunup and hope they turn to stone. Capiche? Alrighty now. Carry on.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    LOTR had some flaws

    by AlfordHitchcoke

    ...but it's still the best fantasy epic ever made. What even comes close? Excalibur? Dragonslayer? The Dark Crystal? By the way, I'd rather watch a bucket of watery fecal matter congeal than sit through Eyes Wide Shut again.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Trolling does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse_Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes<p> Here lies two trolls pwned by The Dojo. Turned to stone. Together forever. Trapped in an eternal 69. The final answer?<p>The ass tastes of granite.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Theory: P.J. GET THAT GIRTH BACK ON!

    by blue meanie

    Anyone noticed that PJ was a like a big hairy and happy hobbit when he was directing the Rings trilogy, and it turned out to be a cinematic masterpiece. Then, he went on a drastic soup diet, lost half of his weight, directed King Kong and it was a ho-hum experience. His follow up, Lovely Bones, turned out to be a box office disaster, and despite the solid story, the magic was gone. Theory: FAT IS GOOD. So get back to your Fat Bastard, AICN Harry-sized self, PJ, because we need the Hobbit to rock! Sorry, but the skinny PJ just ain’t cutting it.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu

    by Ringwearer9

    I hate to disappoint you, but future rants about Jackson and the Hobbit might not be forthcoming. I have gotten bored with saying the same thing over and over. And just as happened with King Kong, the general talkback community caught on to what I'd been saying all along and I had no more need to say it. I'll be happy to watch everyone else carry the torch.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Morgoth, I will say this ...

    by Ringwearer9

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Morgoth, I will say this ...

    by Ringwearer9

    I think you are right that "The Hobbit" will be "prequelized", and that this will probably mess it up as a self-contained story (which the book was). The coolest thing about The Hobbit was the way it served to give a taste of a larger world around the central story ... the hints of the Necromancer's stronghold in Mirkwoood, and the efforts of the White Wizards to drive him out, for instance. Actually diverting from the main story to show this stuff is counterproductive ... it is going to kill the thing that made the Hobbit such a beloved book, and made people want to know more about the larger living world that was hinted at. And from a storytelling perspective, the story of The Hobbit sort of had it's own self-contained theme regarding the corruption of Dragon's Gold, and the Dragon Spell, a theme that Tolkien expanded upon in LOTR using Sauron's Ring (which, like the Dragon Hoard, everyone wanted). Bringing in too much of LOTR's story to the Hobbit undermines and makes redundant the Hobbit's main theme.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    To make thing short ...

    by Ringwearer9

    The Hobbit's charm was in the way it hinted at there being more to the world than just the main story, that it had a history. When Tolkien expanded on that story in LOTR he didn't just expand on what had been hinted at in The Hobbit, but added more hints ... the world became even larger, and there was even more of it you wanted to know more about. The trick was in giving tastes of more, but not overindulging every desire to know everything about it. It made the world seem real, just as our world is stuffed with things we don't really understand fully.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    blue meanie

    by Baryonyx

    I agree: if Jackson ain't fat when he makes these movies I dunno if they're gonna be any good.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    And to conclude ...

    by Ringwearer9

    It may be that Jackson and company don't undestand this quality of only hinting at a larger world, and will use The Hobbit to shove in Lord of the Rings references only. Which will kind of deaden Middle Earth.

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    The Coward --Cobrakai strikes(limply) yet agan when no one

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    is around to respond. that boy got bitch slapped all over aicn by urs truly. bitch went and hid under a rock for days then only came out after i left the tb and claimed 'victory' by posting someone else's nonsensical rant, then went back into hiding again. bitch. i alrady renamed him Coward--Cobrakai, but the bitch needs to change his name to garter-kai cause real cobras would kill themselves before acting like the punk ass bitch he is. any tb any time coward. ill wipe the floor with you and anyone you need to have 'help' you out (in a non physical sense of course since apparently you cant distinguish between real and virtual world - hence your pathetic need to hit on anyone online who has a female sounding nic)yet again

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    ringy

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    dude, its a movie, it aint supposed to be a literal translation of the book - cause that shit never works. the rhythms of a movie dictate a different pace than what you get from a book that you can pick up an put down when you feel like it, as well a he financial investment, yeah it sucks that they will squeeze two movies out, but that doesnt mean the movies will suck, so hardcore book fans wont be happy, boo hoo, you see how the hardocre fans came out and supported watchmen didnt you? yeah a flop, you cant play to the fans unless you want to get burned

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    70 Days

    by Countdown_to_Vader

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Ringwearer9

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "I have gotten bored with saying the same thing over and over."<P>Do you think you can help AssimovLives come to that enlightened realization?

  • Oct. 18, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    And nothing can really deaden Middle Earth...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...except a slavish-fan devotion that allows for no cinematic breathing space.

  • Oct. 19, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Nice Gaius, as long as it's faithful to the spirit ...

    by Ringwearer9

    ... and doesn't have the dwarves and Gandalf in a farting contest around the fire, as was mentioned above.

  • Oct. 19, 2010, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Make the Silmarillion!

    by Strajder

    And not let PJ direct it, please. Hmm... Michael Bay, perhaps? :3

  • Oct. 20, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Can’t say I entirely disagree Ringwearer9…

    by morGoth

    …even though you misspelled my posting handle. Yes, a “taste of a larger world” or as Tolkien called it, “The glimpse of a hidden vista.” Example: When Gandalf is first looking at the sword that is to be named Sting, he states it’s an Elvish blade and probably came from Gondolin of old. “Whu? Gondo-what?”,the reader is thinking. “Man, wonder what Gondolin is all about.” Of course he was bringing in a bit of his beloved back story, the Silmarillion. I would also remind you that Jackson did similar things in his movie such as the wonderful tapestry hanging behind Elrond and Arwen (TTT) when he is trying to convince her not to marry that Ranger scum. The tapestry has a highly stylized depiction of the Two Trees of Valinor. There are others.<p>So, I don’t know, nor do you, that Jackson doesn’t get that concept. I think he does but more importantly, a “prequelized” Hobbit precisely parallels what Tolkien also did after LotR was published. He edited (some published) The Hobbit to bring it in line with his later LotR. He decided against publishing this final re-write as a friend pointed out to him that, “It’s wonderful and brings the Hobbit completely in line with LoTR…unfortunately, it’s no longer The Hobbit.” It’s all in “The History of The Hobbit” if you care to check my source.<p> At any rate, it should come as no surprise that it is what Jackson intends to do…prequels to HIS existing movie. I’m not saying this as fact but that’s my take on it based on what he has said to date. I got over his treatment of LotR a long time ago, was delighted with his entire effort and I’ll just wait and see what he does with this movie. That is what I mean when I say we shouldn’t expect The Hobbit we all know and love. Knowing this up front, why would you (and other Jackson haters/book purist), in particular, be even remotely interested anymore?

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    morGoth

    by Ringwearer9

    I don't know if I'm interested anymore. It took me a good long while to get the movies out of my head so I could reread "The Hobbit" recently, just before this "greenlight" announcement. I'm starting to re-read LOTR again, for the first time since the films came out, and perhaps I would rather not have my mind's eye polluted by the overly literal and physical smell and dirt of the Jackson films. <p><p> Then, again, there were MOMENTS in the LOTR films that seemed transcendent ... Aragorn and Boromir talking in Rivendell, beside a tapestry depicting the fall of Sauron, alongside the broken sword. Elrond's talk with Arwen about her future as an immortal married to a mortal. There were moments of beauty in the film. But I don't think those moments were from Jackson's heart ... his heart is in the "dwarf tossing" and , if he feels the books can support it, the gore. Seeing the Misty Mountain Goblins turned into his half-dead filthy mutant orcs from the LOTR films ... it makes me sad. I have hopes for the Smaug design, because Del Toro may have left his stamp on the production there (I approve of his stated taste in dragons) and so ... yeah, I'll see it.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST

    The thing is ... is Jackson's heart in it?

    by Ringwearer9

    He apparently did everything he could to NOT have to direct it himself.<p><p> Perhaps his apathy and willingness to delegate as much as possible will be better for the final product, in the end, however.

  • Oct. 21, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    Aww look at that

    by Droll_Troll

    trolls in love. Ain't it sweet news.