Oct. 14, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST
Meh, L & O - LA: Who Cares.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST
I didn't stick around for the ending.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST
Jew Guilt and Negroes has never been a good mix
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST
That is repudiation of network televison production system. <p> Heads should roll.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST
Still, doesn't stop them from making silly decisions. Voting out a strong, physical player over a man who can barely walk and a girl who is ready to call it quits? Survivor, you test my patience.
Oct. 14, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST
I am thinking Cannibals!
Oct. 14, 2010, 11 p.m. CST
I was flipping through channels last night and caught LAW AND ORDER for a while, and damn, Molina really is good. Lifted the material, which was kinda trite. If LAW AND ORDER: LA doesn't work out, I still think this Molina kid has a future.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST
One of the only new shows I've picked up this season. Makes me sad in the face people aren't watching. How can one hijack a ratings box?
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST
Tyrone was perhaps the most rational, level headed player in Survivor history. They were looking for excuses to dislike him so they could vote him out. Or perhaps the editing was done in a way to disguise the real reason they voted him out, simple tribal lines--which was really stupid by Alina. NaOnka should have gone home.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST
I don't know what else they could do to help Terriers except maybe hold it as a Summer series. I guess they could pair it wish Sons of Anarchy, but I don't think an 11pm show would do any better (guess it can't do much worse either). It's a shame, because it's a great series so far.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST
It's better than everything else on that list.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST
I keep forgetting it's on! They need to promote the fuck out of it like USA did with White Collar.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST
Until then all the cool people will be watching Dexter. (You are cool, aren't you...?)
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST
It's gotten progressively better each week. We certainly haven't seen the last of Zeitlin and that big ass investigator of his...right?
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST
Both were powerhouses last year, so CBS moves them and kills them.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST
I thought Ghost Hunters had big viewership numbers? Oh well.
Oct. 15, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST
by xsi kal
With Justified not returning until February, Terriers is my favorite hour-long on television.
Oct. 15, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST
Never heard of it. Never heard it mentioned anywhere cept this site. Never saw a commercial for it. Never heard it mentioned on any other site or entertainment show. No buzz or hype whatsoever...could that be part of it's problem?
Oct. 15, 2010, 6:50 a.m. CST
by Jack Burton
DAMMIT! Hopefully the season/series finale wraps things up moderately well as opposed to the writers' strike "Fuck you!" that was The Riches series finale.
Oct. 15, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST
But whitey's black people show screams "let's try to get 'them' and 'us' to watch the same show. That would do GREAT numbers!" Guess what, didn't work.
Oct. 15, 2010, 7 a.m. CST
What kind of numbers was original L&O pulling last year? They completely got away from the writing that made L&O successful, and the more I watch LA the more I see why Terrence Howard got dumped from Iron Man. He's horrible. Why isn't one of the cops wise cracking? That's what made L&O so successful. Jerry Orbach was awesome! RIP.
Oct. 15, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST
So one of CBS' lowest performers is better than NBC's best drama? CBS is so far ahead of these other networks with the 18-49 audience, it's amazing.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8 a.m. CST
CBS viewers actually sit and watch the shows, faithfully every week. Also, CBS doesn't fuck around with their scheduling as much as FOX, ABC and NBC do, so their audience knows when to tune in to see their favorite shows. It's not rocket science, guys.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:03 a.m. CST
Just changing the title of the show alone would probably give the series a 50% ratings bump.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:12 a.m. CST
I don't know if anyone here watches this, but my wife and I are sure to watch this every week. Putty is by far the funniest one on the show, but the whole cast is great.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST
Over on BBC America. I don't know how much Dick Wolf & Co. are involved in it, but I watched one and thought it was pretty good. It feels much more like the original L&O's earlier days than it does the new stuff. And one of the cops is Apollo from BSG all British accenty.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST
...is not going to play big. Maybe if it was on TBS would've had a chance if Tyler Perry was involved somehow to draw in his fanbase and a more urban audience, but as it is, it was guaranteed to tank.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST
I watched the first two episodes and felt pretty much the same way. I'll watch the rest of the season. I haven't watched LOLA yet. Doubt that I will.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST
Isn't it possible the show just blows donkey weiner?<p>It's also hardly conclusive, considering nearly EVERY new show is doing badly.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9 a.m. CST
Tried to watch the pilot and realized that the two leads, while good looking people, have ZERO chemistry. The banter between them does not come off natural and honestly, Boris Kodjoe could be replaced by a cardboard cutout and you'd get the same energy.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:03 a.m. CST
Why no love for Cougar Town on this site. Ratings have increase over last season and posted the second best ratings of the year.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST
Many of the scripts for the early episodes of L&O:UK were adapted from the first couple of seasons of the original L&O (the Ben Stone years).
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST
Law and Order is a show naturally made to appeal to Conservatives. After all, "Law and order" is a Republican slogan dating back to the Nixon days. So why has L&O taken a liberal swerve to the left? It's probably not going to pick up Liberal viewers, it's only going to lose its Conservative base. I guess because all the writers and directors in Hollywood are Liberals and they don't how to write from any other perspective.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST
Why the hell aren't you watching it?
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST
I disagree with that. Their politics have always been balanced/leaning liberal. Adam Schiff (Steven Hill) was definitely liberal and even wrote briefs against the death penalty. Ben Stone was middle of the road. Jack McCoy (Sam Waterson) was a liberal who would tend to do whatever it took to win a case even if it went against his principles. Nora Lewis (Dianne Wiest) was ultra liberal. Arthur Branch (Fred Thompson) was the only conservative ever to be on the show other than Abby Carmichael (Angie Harmon). The ADAs are almost always been very liberal (except Harmon) as the moral compass of the ADA office especially during the Fred Thompson years. <br><br> The problem with the new show is not its politics, it is the tone of the show. Whatever you thought about L&O, it had a grit to it. It was very much case focused and realistic. L&O:LA is too stylized, character focused, and lacks any substance.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:40 a.m. CST
I blame the merger with Kabletown.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST
I know it was getting expensive (although Terrance Howard and Alfred Molina can't be cheap), but the mothership was far more entertaining than its West Coast counterpart which isn't raising the bar that high. Both get about the same ratings.
Oct. 15, 2010, 10 a.m. CST
Haven't seen one comment. I've all but given up on the show. This week's episode was terrible. Turned it off after 5 minutes... just couldn't stand to listen to it any longer.
Oct. 15, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST
I'm torn on Undercovers. As an African American I do strongly believe that its initial low debut was due to the ethnic leads....that being said....I think the constant decline is due to teh fact that the show quite frankly sucks. I watched the first three and by attempt three it was like torture.
Oct. 15, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST
It was once Syfy's best rated show now its trending towards the middle. Weird, considering Halloween is usually their time. Could be due to the cast changes, no longer going to actually people's homes and the fact its paint by numbers pacing. The show needs to go back to the core which is helping ordinary people and focusing why these people are doing this job. Destination Truth really has become Syfy's best show mainly due to Josh having a personality and not really taking it too seriously.
Oct. 15, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST
This is a show that needs to stick around for a while. Great writing. And Undercovers is boring me to tears. Get rid of it. JJ is good, but he's not untouchable.
Oct. 15, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST
And put L&O: UK on in its place. That's the better of the 2 shows.
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST
I am not saying that people aren't racist in the country, and maybe you could have predicted it wouldn't last. But really, how many other shows this season were barely watched the first night and aren't watched now? Would the ratings be higher if they were white, hell, you're probably right. But the failure of anything involving black people isn't necessarily racist. For example, I didn't watch Undercovers cuz what I saw of the ads make me think it was a show I wouldn't like.
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST
johhnyangel hit it on the head. I have been on both sides of the table in New York City as a criminal attorney and if DA's are not conservative pricks (even if they are truly liberal) they don't last more than a day. I understand suspending disbelief to get the story told, but these crusading DA's don't exist in reality, at all. That hurts a show that is a procedural. Just like defense attorneys, DA's are looking for the win, too. They are supposed to be "truth seekers" but they like to impress their bureau chiefs.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST
I won't even go so far as to call it racism. I'll call it racial detachment(I may have just made that up, I don't know). I think everyone does that to some extent when it comes to television. I can imagine if you see a show about two good looking black people it wouldnt immediately catch your interest. Just like I never got sucked into shows like the OC and 90210. I'm not a black racist, shows like that just never appealled to me from the ads alone.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST
Get over it. So you like the show and to justify your anger at such a guilty pleasure getting generally dismissed you play the race card with it. Terrible it terrible. Do you think Blade: The Series didn't get second helping because the protagonist is black? No. It fuckin' sucked. If there is any racism her, it is no the public opinion on these shows that hold it. It is in the producers and writers of show like this that think that black audiences will eat up this lowest common denominator shit. It is more likely the creative team that has not respect for you Fareal, not your fellow viewer (an no, I am not saying racism is not a part of it, but not the deciding factor here)
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
Lecter1914, at least they tried to diversify a little by hiring one black actor...too bad he was awesome on the Wire, but totally misplaced on that show. Not because he is a black kid in a white setting, he is just a terrific actor, like many of the kids from season four and five on the Wire.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST
my post about undercovers might be the single most poorly typed post I have ever made.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST
I will refrain from commenting on that "diverse" casting move for risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist. And I can't speak for Fareal but if you read my post I said I can't blame it on racism entirely because the shows does indeed suck.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
I was sad to see that it didn't catch on. I enjoyed it more than the third movie, definitely.<p><p>Here's a counter argument: Treme has done well for HBO, and its cast is majority African-American. And, unlike Undercovers, it's a well-written show. Of course, HBO can afford to have lower viewership numbers, so I know my point is, well, weak, to be honest. (The same argument probably can't be used regarding Blade the series' failure, since that was on cable, too.)
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST
Treme has good will from being by the creator of The Wire and it's not exactly the same as the way Undercovers was marketed..you know...with the two black leads prominantly front and center. And I don't think Blade failed because the lead was black(the movies did do pretty well afterall). I just think people saw no need for it.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:11 p.m. CST
by Nerd Rage
you could make a case that people were skipping it due to race but it's not.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST
Undercovers is a poor show. Reminds me of atypical '80's productions with their connect the dots plots. At least give a story arc, à la the Rambaldi manuscript in Alias to pay attention too. BTW...loved Blade the series and was disappointed it wasn't renewed.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST
cuz of the guy's douchy hat.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST
It's a very cool show. It's just that nodu is watching. Sad.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST
Think I just had a stroke
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST
especially the unrated episodes available on DVD.Not as good as the first two movies but far superior than goyer's trainwreck AKA Trinity. Sad to see how it was abruptly cancelled and on a cliffhanger at that.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST
If Terriers changed the title, it would have a lot more viewers. When I first heard that a new show called "Terriers" was coming, I honestly thought it was going to be some show about dogs. Then, Kurt Sutter started tweeting about the upcoming show, and urged everyone to watch the pilot. So, I did. And I like the show. Very much. I just can't believe they let the show keep that title. Bad, bad decision.
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
"Terriers"? WTF? Not as catchy sounding like The Shield,Sons of Anarchy or even Damages. It's a weaksauce title like say, Undercovers. (0:'
Oct. 15, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST
We watch it regularly. Putty kills me, but the actress that plays Audrey is what keeps me watching: Super, super hot.
Oct. 15, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST
the very good and the very bad. <p> And the very bad have to be very very bad.
Oct. 15, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST
If you haven't given the show a chance yet, stream some of the early episodes on hulu. It's impossible to dislike.
Oct. 15, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST
by andrew coleman
While everyone else DVR's things or uses Hulu. They need to just kill off the ratings boxes. I like L&O:LA so go fuck yourselves btw. Undercovers gets bad ratings because the show doesn't go anywhere. Watched every episode so far and I'm giving up they aren't setting up anything. It's just "spy missions" every episode and there is nothing compelling about it. I really don't think it has anything to do with race. Sure their are dumb white racists out there but they are busy watching Fox News to be bothered with any other show. For me though Fox, NBC and even ABC have such better programming than CBS it makes me sick to see them get high ratings. Like what the fuck is wrong with old people these days? Shit my Dad Says? Really? Tried watching it and I got depressed about society so I turned it off.
Oct. 15, 2010, 7:51 p.m. CST
LAW & ORDER IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the whole franchise is fucking dead let it rest in peace
Oct. 16, 2010, 1:22 a.m. CST
and im glad i did. you guys were right. great show, and every episode jumps in quality. i hope through some miracle it doesn't get canceled.
Oct. 16, 2010, 10:38 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I liked the first movie all right but wasn't a fan of it, per se. But I really liked the series. If you enjoy serialized dramas and want a dark, less romanticized take on vampire lore, Blade the series had that. Keep in mind that, due to TV budgets, it's more of a procedural format than an outright action show, but it does have action.<p><p>The blonde guy who played the lead vampire baddie was really good in that role. I even grew to prefer the guy in the role of Blade over Wesley Snipes' original interpretation -- he was criticized by viewers for playing Blade as a "thug" but, honestly, I didn't see anything necessarily wrong with that ("thugging out" on nasty gangster vamps), but he started to warm up, become more personable, as Blade toward the end of the series' first and only season. The Asian guy who was Watson to Blade's Sherlock had potential (their were hints of an interesting backstory), though he was under-utilized. The show also had some interesting side characters, including an ancient vampire who had been turned as a 12-year-old... she was a creepy mix of Emma Watson and Chloe Moretz. You can watch the entire series on Fancast.com.
Oct. 16, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST
If the show's well written, people will watch regardless of the race of the leads. It seems like NBC was trying to draw in a minority audience with the "more colorful" (because whitey is boring) campaign and weren't being too subtle about it. I suppose that's fine, but when you give us shit shows who's only "draw" is that they feature minority leads, you get a minority of the ratings. Outlaw and Undercovers are just fucking bad regardless of what color the leads are. It's a shame that NBC went out of their way to attract a minority audience with horrible shows. But, let's be honest here...it wouldn't matter anyway. It isn't like minority audiences make or break network series' ratings.
Oct. 16, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST
The show sucks. The premise sucks. <p> And of course, YOU suck. You feel vindicated by the shows failure because it fits your mental template of how you believe people think. Project much?<p> I guess if the show was a hit it would prove that racism is dead in America eh? Your infantile reasoning skills coupled with your bitter, race obsessed world view leads you to believe that anything less than a 100% success rate in ANY endeavor undertaken by a person with darker skin pigmentation than you is the result of racism.<p> You're easily the biggest twat on AICN.<p> It couldn't possibly be that the show is no good. Hell no, that's never the case. <p> Now go back to trimming you're mama's bush. I like a clean work space.
Oct. 16, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST
A major mis-cast. Good actor, but no charm, no warmth...AT ALL. Not someone you want in your living room every week.
Oct. 16, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
If it was a geek/critically acclaimed show that was still failing, then you race baiters would have a case. Your only chance to add any validity to your claim is to provide proof that the WRITERS/PRODUCERS on the show are racists... and deliberately sabotaged the show. Good luck with that.
Oct. 16, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST
SVU seems to have been reborn with great stories and the acting is top notch. I have only caught parts of L&O LA but it looks good so I will be adding it to the DVR going forward.
Oct. 16, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST
Jesus what the fuck happened? I use to love south park but holy shit it's terrible. What happened? Did someone behind the scenes who wasn't getting credit leave? Cause last 2 season have been MAJOR declines and it's now about on par with the god awful family guy. There was genius behind this show and now it's a shadow of what it once was. These guys have to be aware of the quality decrease(and ironically the show is doing better ratings wise then ever! Figure that out). I regard Scott Tennerman Must Die has a high point of the series great comedy. Where's the comedy? Your just making fun of people which is what your known for but man the story is so over the top(yes even for this once genius show) and the voices of the kids(Cartman) has matured and changed to much. These character use to be naive and now they are to self aware. Blah blah blah I could go on and on but who cares?
Oct. 16, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST
Is your litmus for a lead actor someone who charms you or someone you can snuggle with? I think simply being *compelling* is enough, and Molina is a pretty fucking compelling actor. Like I said before, he alone drew me into the show.<p> And, come to think of it, in the episode I saw, his egalitarian righteousness (which drew from his character's class background) was kind of endearing.<p> So, to sum up: Molina = Win.
Oct. 16, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
And I'm not sure why. I've been holding off, but from what I've been reading, these two recent episodes have been bad. I figured I was losing interest in the show, for some reason that was just tied with me personally. But now I wonder if my spidey sense has been telling me it's time to move on.
Oct. 17, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST
<p>Living in the UK, we either wait up to a year for a show to start airing or we download them.<p> <p>I downloaded the first episode of Terriers on a whim and I was hooked.<p> <p>The two leading characters are lovable rogues. They have dubious morals but they're utterly likable.<p> <p>The show excels in both its casting and its scripting. I'm a fan of Logue's work but I think this is his best performance to date. He obviously loves the role, as do all the cast.<p> <p>I hope Terriers gets at least a second season; it's easily become "must-see TV" in my opinion.<p>