Newton, concerned about the consequences of a distressing development involving a high-ranking official, is forced to call to action a sleeping shapeshifter. As Walter and the rest of the team gather evidence, they move the investigation to Massive Dynamic, where Olivia goes on high alert and Walter finds himself in a perilous situation.9 p.m. Thursday. Fox.
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:01 a.m. CST
It kind of feels like they are falling into a procedural rut where the stories really dont matter until they end up getting Olivia back where she belongs.
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:02 a.m. CST
This show is coming into it's own, I think.
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:05 a.m. CST
... Is kinda annoying. He's borderline parkinson/milton from office space.
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST
Scarlie also seems to be onto Olivia, kinda hoping Peter figures things out this ep. The longer they stretch the switcheroo out the less believable it gets. Season is shaping up really well, hope things can continue.
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST
A fart joke a two weeks ago and looks like a tripping pants off gag this week, its getting tiresome. Any change he uses MD resources to cure himself? missing brain parts can be cured right?
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:53 a.m. CST
you can just bet MD has very advanced stem cell research
Oct. 14, 2010, 5:01 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Merging the two realities into one. This would mean Walter and Walternate would merge, sharing the same memories (even if they are contradictory). The same would happen to everybody else, except for those who don't have a living counterpart in the other reality. So Charlie from Earth 2 would exist in the merged reality just as he is now. I wonder if this is where the series is ultimately heading.
Oct. 14, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST
But giving Walter One the company is definitely the best and most interesting move in the series so far this season. Just hope they make the most of it - and it should obviously involve Astrid and Walter getting it on, too.
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:51 a.m. CST
+The Dominion War <br> +The X-Files <br> +Zam Wessell in Attack of the Clones <br> +Heroes <br> <br> It's such an overwhelmingly potent superpower. Socially it's the most powerful ability you could have. You could impersonate high level politicos or captains of industry. But shapeshifters in sci-fi are always marginalized underlings. <br> <br>Unless you're in an over the top comic book universe (like Mystique or Zartan) once you introduce shapeshifters into your story, it falsifies every character interaction for rest of your series (they might be a shapeshifter!), while subconsciously throwing the power balance out of whack. <br> <br> Any shapeshifting assassin could kill Mulder and Scully in an afternoon and impersonate your president by dinner.
Oct. 14, 2010, 8:16 a.m. CST
The Dominion in DS9 were never as terrifying as they should have been. It might be a case of the writers being afraid to fully utilise the shapeshifting paradigm, because it pretty much kills the heroes of your tale in about 5 minutes.
Oct. 14, 2010, 8:23 a.m. CST
Both are crazy lazy hackdom. But cheap! Same actors different personality!<P>Anywho, I'm more a fan of Ourwalter. Waltenate is full of meh.
Oct. 14, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Stupid fucking baseball :(
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST
by Real Deal
Walternet can't come close to the over the top, unexpected, humor of our Walter! I also find him more interesting from a tortured soul point of view. I like the over there episodes a lot becuase it's fun to see the different aspects of their world however what goes on with our characters for me remains the meat and potatoes of the series.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST
the best hour of television this year, IMHO. it floored me. oh and for whoever thinks Walter 1 is tiresome, STFU and go to sleep then.
Oct. 14, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST
by UCB Agent1
Shapeshifters CAN be hacky and cliched, though I think Fringe has done a really interesting job with the one's they've introduced. They've limited them and they seem to be machines and not fully sentient humans. Also, our Walter is much better than Walternate, though thanks to the awesomeness of John Noble, both are interesting characters.
Oct. 14, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST
I haven't been able to get into Walternate at all.
Oct. 14, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST
Yeah I hate baseball howit interupts everything.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST
One of my favourites at the moment, and probably the only must see scripted hour long on network tv for me<br />John Noble is the best actor currently on network TV and he is up there with some of the best on cable
Oct. 14, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST
by puto tenax
Makes more sense than either of the other two running. Noble rocks.
Oct. 14, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
"Is anyone else hot in here?" Truly a brilliant scene. This show deserves nothing but Emmys, Golden Globes and Screen Actors Guild Awards. It's the best series on TV.
Oct. 14, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Last week, one of our fellow posters suggested that this alt universe story arc is building to a merged reality between the two universes, and that seems to be a brilliant idea, but how to keep the drama of this going after the merger--should be of most importance? Of course the benefits of a merged reality will give us a more stable Walter and Olivia will have a sense of compassion, joy, and well, both characters will be more well rounded--all around--and this will give the actors and the writers a bigger sandbox to play in, creatively. But once the alt universe storyline is over, how do you equal it, or top it--somewhere down the line? Well, the answer just popped into my head!!! I would like to see a new threat appear, again...after the merger, where there will be those--a handful of people in the government, Fringe Division, and elsewhere, that will be aware of the merged reality, and won't want it. These folks will rise to try and undue it, somehow, while others will attempt to defend and protect it. This seems to be the next logical story-arc for the show to take when the alt universe story-arc concludes. Post alt universe, we get set back on the regular show theme of investigating monster of the week scenarios as a set-up to introduce a new story-arc that will play as a reaction to the alt universe arc--and again, that next major story-arc should be, a conflict to undue or keep the merged universe, and the consequences, either way.
Oct. 14, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST
Walternate is DULL. His whole schtick is to glare at people, twiddle his invisible moustache and say sinister things. Walter, meanwhile, is one of the reasons I tune into Fringe. It's also one of the reasons I don't like the Earth 2 stories as much.
Oct. 14, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST
where it belongs. Screw Lie to Me, let it languish in Thursday night hell for a change. If it can't hold House's audience, it doesn't deserve the time slot.
Oct. 14, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST
...Then Michael J. Fox and Eric Stoltz will BOTH be the stars of Back to the Future!
Oct. 14, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST
Oct. 14, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST
<p>Marty McFly with 2 heads? I'd watch that...</p> <b> </b> <p> Anyway. A month with no Fringe? Can't they replace a religious show with the sport? Sundays are always good for sport. </p> <b> </b> Experimenting with formatting please excuse any random html.
Oct. 14, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST
Your idea isn't the 'next logical step' for fringe to take... what it is is the 'next logical step' IF the other talkbacker's idea of 'merged universe.<br><br>I don't really like you're idea, but nothing against you, thats just me--it wouldn't thrill me... If I had to come up with a next step the show could take, I'd say that I think it would be cool if Walternate launches his attack on our dimension, but the fringe crew was able to minimize it, but there would be a lot of damage done... then lets say Walternate dies in the middle of his own attack, then Walter--now owner of massive dynamic--would have to step up and use the technology in the alternate universe to help repair the damage done in our dimension... of course, during the attack on our universe, shit went wrong and new fringe threats are created by the failed attack on our dimension....<br><br>not saying that my idea is better than yours--I'm not sold on my idea completely either, but its all i could think of at the moment, because your idea doesn't really grab me, but i'm just one person.
Oct. 14, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST
temporarily into the Amalgam universe, pretty much the same thing happened as Media Messiah suggests. It's hardly an original idea. Chances are the Fringe team will come up with something original.
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:15 p.m. CST
he double posted
Oct. 14, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
...both of us have some good ideas to keep the story thread going, but there is a danger of over-doing the alt universe...and its affect, and effects, on us. My story outline would at least keep it in a manageable realm...keeping it grounded, yours, however...opens-up many possibilities for Fringe to explore, and I think both might be fun.
Oct. 14, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST
My guess is that somehow the Alternate storyline will be ended somehow at the end of the season. Probably some way of closing off any travel between realities or the merging or something. Or maybe Walternate will be killed and the two realities will be at peace and find a way to safely travel back and forth, but that story will move to the background. What I see for the future seasons thorugh is usually the creators hints at and set up future season far in advance. Now there has been mention of "The Orginal People" or something like that in the show. The creators said in an interview that the Observers are NOT the original people, but we have met them. Its my guess that maybe the bowling guy Sam Weiss is one of the original people. I would think that maybe season 4 revolves around getting to know them and whatever threat that they pose. (kind of like the Event, but a lot better done). Maybe Olivia finds their skeletal remains in a cave with a white and black stone, Just Kidding!<br> <br> Season 5 I would bet revolves around the Observers and figuring them out. Maybe one of those groups is from Atlantis or Stonehenge or something? It would be cool to be able to see maybe different international Fringe groups. Like a Russian, French, Scottish, etc group. But then this is all my taking the clues and hints from the show to make a guess.
Oct. 14, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST
Last week's episode was amazing. One of the best villains and cases the show has ever handled. I absolutely love the ambitious direction Fringe has taken this season. If the writers manage to keep up this level of intensity & inventiveness throughout the season it will certainly become my all-time favorite sci-fi show.
Oct. 14, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
If it happens, then I believe it should be done in a way where the people of the world know it happened. Just imagine what people would be like -- most of people would retain memories of two lives up to that point. That would cause a lot of character bipolarism, and present a lot of interesting storytelling possibilities -- such a major event would have ramifications in religion, government, society in general. It would be the kind of world setting that Philip K. Dick would have imagined for one of his novels. The procedural format would deal with Fringe-related cases resulting from the aftermath of The Merge.<p><p>So this means that the merged Walter would be more sane. And how would Peter react toward him? Merged Olivia would have both her sister and mother, but both of them came from a reality in which the other died earlier.<p><p>As for conflicting elements, like what would happen with pop culture, like "Back to the Future"? I say that in cases like this, our reality would take precedence, overwriting the alternate reality was the first to invade/leak into the other one. So this means in the merged reality, "Back to the Future" starred Michael J. Fox.<p><p>But in other aspects, people and places that do not exist (due to death or destruction) in one reality would exist in the merged reality. Thus, that would mean the Twin Towers still stand, and the White House was never attacked on 9/11. But helium dirigibles as a common form of mass transportation probably still exists in the merged reality.<p><p>Then there are the Observers. Would they have a problem with this merging? Would they try to undo it, aiding factions that come together within world government who would to split the merged reality apart, despite the probable risk of destroying both?
Oct. 14, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
There was an episode (in the second season?), where a guy was merged with his alternate self, but the result was a horrific human centipede.
Oct. 14, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST
Newton was trying to pull a building from over there to over here (or vice versa). Maybe a setting for what the "doomsday device" is supposed to do.
Oct. 14, 2010, 6:28 p.m. CST
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST
by Real Deal
I'm thinking both universes will remain seperate and something much larger will emerge in the storyline. I know they said they wouldn't deal with other universes but I still think this might be in the game. There'a a lot we still don't know concerning a lot of things that have been introduced on the show. No matter what they do I think the other univese will play a role until the end. When I watch the show unfold I get this feeling that there's still something much larger going on ( maybe to do with the Observers or Sam or something behind the scenes we haven't seen yet.
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
I image if the producers go for this, maybe it would be a worldwide event where everybody on the planet blacks out, then wakes up with hazy, unclear memories as to what happened to them. But over time, memories start returning to them. The idea of having such a wide-reaching event would be similar to Flash Forward, The Event, and that one anime series The Big O. Would the producers of this series, which tends to stick with a paranormal procedural format, be willing to game-change the series into something this grand? I don't know, but why not? Why play things safe if the ratings are challenged -- I say they should go for it, go for the big WTF.<p><p>Even if they do this, it doesn't mean that there wouldn't be a bigger story going on at the same time. A Great Merge would be a huge event, but what if after this settles down after one season, an even bigger thing (the very literal nature of reality itself?) is revealed and becomes the basis for the fifth season?
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
This would open-up the show to all kinds of new arcs, but what do you mean about the White House being attacked on 911? Did that happen in the alt verse?
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
You guys are thinking like producers and writers now. you have fabulous viewpoints, and insights.
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Let's say our present is the merged universe? Well then, Michael J. Fox and Eric Stoltz are the stars of Back To The Future, even now, however, one was fired after 5 weeks of filming (Stoltz), and the other (Fox) replaced him. We are living in the merged reality.
Oct. 14, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST
In the season 1 finale when Olivia was transported to Bell's office in the World Trade Center Towers Bell had a newpaper on his desk that said that the White house had just finished with being rebuilt.
Oct. 14, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST
I was like totally woah man
Oct. 14, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Great writing! Thanks for that!!!
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:07 p.m. CST
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Oct. 14, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST
Seriously great. If people aren't watching this show, it's because they are douchelords. I don't want to live in a world where this show is struggling to get ratings and fucking Glee is the hottest thing in the country. I want to live in the alternate world, where Fringe rules, George Lucas stopped at 3, and they never added a voiceover track to Blade Runner.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:46 p.m. CST
the first two acts of a play as you are introduced to the characters and story and as the story breathes and flows, dramatic tension arises. And then you realize something big is coming up in acts three, four and five. The first season began as nothing more than a monster of the week show or Liv, Peter, Walter, Astrid, etc. must solve some fringe science dilemma. Season one relied on too much of this stuff and it resembled The X-Files sometimes at that series best and worst moments. But J.J. and crew still found a way to hook you with the Pattern, ZFT, and the bombshell which dropped revealing the presence of an alternate universe. Then season two began to shed the monster of the week and dilemma solving plots as they built the core mythology of what this series has now become. By the time season two ended with Over There Parts 1 and 2, Fringe had become its own unique and intelligent piece of television. Hell, I'd gander to say that right now its the best show on television, network or cable. And what I love about Fringe, is that there are mysteries still to be revealed but it is focused and centered on moving the story to a conclusion. It's not all over the place like J.J.'s Alias or Lost (which I loved) which felt so much like we were never really focused or centered.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST
is working to get finished will merge the two universes into one. Though he may think it will destroy the Earth 1 universe and save his, the Earth 2 universe. But I can see that thing backfiring. The third season finale will probably end on this point. Seasons four and five will see this new, merged universe come flying apart.
Oct. 14, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST
Yeah it was a blink or you'll miss moment. They actually gave out copies of the newspaper at Comic-Con two years ago in the Fringe panel. I have it somewhere.
Oct. 14, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST
A third universe and a whole nother set of alternate personas to explore? Give the merged universe a new threat. Or leave both fractured sides separate and then have the third invade. Writes itself...
Oct. 14, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST
Fringe is absolutely blossoming into one of my favorite shows of all time. There are so many places this show could go, so many possibilities. I'm totally hooked. The writers are doing a good job making me invest in BOTH sides of the conflict; I sympathize with the Fringe operatives 'over there' who don't have all the info we, as viewers have...I want Ourlivia to get home....I hope Fauxlivia has a change of heart...I want more Charlie at any time. <p> The entire story is predicated on a decision Walter made that ANY one of us might have made in his shoes. It's a tragic misunderstanding writ on the canvas of the multiverse. My geek button has been well and truly pushed. Keep it up Fringe. I'm along for the ride. <p> P.S. Terriers is kickin' all kinds of ass too. And bring on THE WALKING DEAD in 17 days, and JUSTIFIED in February! T.V. is GOOOOOD these days fellas.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST
actually gives a show a chance to develop.
Oct. 14, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST
I find myself eventually getting around to Boardwalk Empire episodes if I actually have the time. But Fringe is must see TV. Premium cable is overrated.
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:06 a.m. CST
Great balls of fire! I'm just wating for the floor to drop out from under them. I am loving this ride though!
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST
Now we're talking. "(b)Olivia" was just lame.
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST
seriously...it's a weird show...I love every episode...but I also love the week wait till the next one...it's like a hot chick teasing sex then finally giving it up...too bad we now have 4 weeks until the next ep...but god damnit that's ok...like tantric sex up in this mother fucker...I fucking love Anna Torv...end of rant...time to watch Sunny
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST
by Media Messiah
You keep your hard on away from her, she's mine!!! I saw her first, really--I think?
Oct. 15, 2010, 1:48 a.m. CST
so I win...it's a tough language to master
Oct. 15, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST
by Media Messiah
...but she'll love my soft black leather jacket.
Oct. 15, 2010, 7:59 a.m. CST
I thought they got the Walter humor back in, which has been sorely missing. On the other hand, a little goes a long way. And having Walter be head of MD was pretty much wasted. Having him give a speech to a few scientists is the least they could do. Turning Walter loose at MD should be an episode in itself, as he orders people to make chocolate milk-giving cows and so on.<p> Killing off Newton seemed to be a waste of a perfectly good character. He's got some vague disagreement with Bolivia, he dies, she lives, he gives some ominous warning. He was a ruthless, competent agent. Bolivia's idea of undercover work is going off to search an apartment in a case and not telling Peter, almost certainly guaranteed to raise suspicions.<p> Bolivia is conflicted... somehow. About what? Why? Because she can't bring herself to have integrity? Because other people's integrity and self-respect deters her? What? She's talking to Peter, and has to run into the restroom to recover from the stress. What stress?<p> Bolivia showed up on This Side and says she's running the operation. Why? She didn't even know anything about alternate worlds until recently when Walternate explained it to her.<p> Peter says he can tell differences in Bolivia but ignores it, in a conversation about how someone couldn't spot an impersonator because they saw differences but ignored them.<p> And another damn "A truck comes out of nowhere and hits someone" scene, the fastest growing cliche on TV.<p> I don't know, it had the obligatory funny stuff, and the shapeshifter infiltrator plot, but it seemed like they were already marking time just four episodes in.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST
by Real Deal
I was thinking this when they were in the car chase toward the end of the episode. It's always nice to have an episode this well done this early in the season. John Nobel over the top again. He really should get an award. I'm thinking Fauxlivia ordered the execution of Newton to cover up the fact that he was right. She is getting attached.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST
As fun as it is to see Anna Torv as the more interesting Fauxlivia, it's starting to get tiresome that nobody is suspicious that Fauxlivia came back instead of Olivia. Peter, who is generally a sensible character, even commented how "completely different" Fauxlivia seems but was quickly distracted by some shiny dangling car keys and the connection is instantly dropped. I'm not sure I want to see a full season of Fauxlivia sabotaging things while Peter or Walter is conveniently in another room.
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:51 a.m. CST
by Real Deal
During the show said that Olivia returns to our universe ( or something like that ). So it sounds like this switch won't last too much longer.
Oct. 15, 2010, 9:56 a.m. CST
(1) Original Walter "healing" his brain and going BAD ASS on Walternate, (2) The inevitable 'civil war' in the alternate universe as they realize we aren't the enemy and this is all a personal vendetta by Walternate, (4) the inevitable revelation that the watchers have something to do with some even bigger threat that could destroy both universes, forcing them to work together to fight the 'real' enemy and (4) the inevitable showdown between Ourlivia and Altlivia, where they decide to settle their differences by stripping down and rubbing each other with hot oil.
Oct. 15, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST
Both Walter and Peter have started to notice. Peters denying it and Walter hasn't quite put all of the pieces together yet, but will. But the thing is that its only been a week at the most since they have been back. For us veiwers its been a month, but in reality with only two Normal world episodes its only been a week, whichis totally understandable that Walter & Peter wouldn't have figured out Olivia's secret, but they are starting to. Patience Grasshopper.
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST
...it's that they know they're dealing with shapeshifters and alternate-universe duplicates. If they didn't know of this, yeah, I could see Peter denying this. But they dealt with Charlie being a long-term infiltrator/shapeshifter last year. They've HAD someone close to them being an evil duplicate. That's been a year, not a week.
Oct. 15, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST
I was glad to see Walter and Peter showing some suspicions about Olivia; Fauxlivia is just acting too different to ignore, and I was getting pissed that no one seemed to notice. But that was my only major reservation regarding this season, so I'm a totally happy FRINGE camper again. And holy FUCK, but didn't Fauxlivia look hot as fire at dinner with Peter? He'll be forgetting about his suspicions of Olivia for a while, lost in post-orgasmic bliss after she fucks him into the next universe and back. I'd sell out my own mother for some hot naked matress thrashing with her, and my brain would be mush by the time we lit up the smokes.
Oct. 15, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST
he's fucking hitting that ass now!Seriously though, the comment that it's only been a week at the most since the season started is a pretty valid point. I also wouldn't be surprised if Walter has been aware, or will be aware, he's just keeping it secret and planning something.
Oct. 15, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST
Yummy, seriously that girl is smoking hot. I love this show!!
Oct. 15, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST
i'll miss him because i LOVED to hate him!!!
Oct. 16, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2010, 4:09 a.m. CST
If you like sci fi and you don't watch it then you are seriously missing out!
Oct. 16, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST
Season 1 felt like a slog, but Hoo Boy season 2...<p>Thank the Gods.