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Mr. Beaks Surveys The Humanity-Hoovering Wreckage Of Colin And Greg Strause's Alien Invasion Flick, SKYLINE!



Colin and Greg Strause's SKYLINE is a sci-fi epic born out of acute frustration with the studio filmmaking process. For now, it's a minor revolt; a bid to make a seasonal tentpole movie without the interference of executives and their typically meddlesome notes. But if their alien invasion yarn connects with audiences this November, there will then exist a template for keeping the studio out of the creative process on an event film for as long as possible (until it's time to distribute the finished product) - at which point we might have a revolution on our hands. Of course, the Strause brothers have a unique advantage in that they've got their own visual f/x company, Hydraulx, which has provided eye-popping CG for movies like THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, 2012 and IRON MAN 2. I was invited to attend a press event at the Santa Monica facility a few weeks ago, and they've got a pretty impressive set-up. They've got a small army of animators clicking away at their workstations, a handful of RED cameras, and lots of talented technicians ready to run out and shoot at a moment's notice. And as battle-scarred directors in their own right (having survived the ordeal of AVP: ALIENS VS. PREDATOR - REQUIEM), the Strause brothers have enough experience to pretty much run the show from preproduction onward without the "assistance" of overpaid execs. "It's just fucking amazing how many assholes it takes to get a single decision made," says Colin Strause. "It's the most frustrating part of the whole thing because you can't fucking do anything."

The brothers and the Hydraulx crew pretty much did everything on SKYLINE: the screenplay was written by f/x artists Joshua Cordes and Liam O'Donnell, they filled out the cast with actors they wanted sans auditioning (save for Donald Faison, who had to read twice - and only because he initially misread the tone of the film), and shot most of the movie in the apartment complex where Greg lived. It was a no-frills forty-two days of principal photography in a lot of respects ("Independent means pretty much no stuntmen," observes Faison), but the brothers seem happy with the movie - to the extent that they're not shy about talking up its franchise potential. Judging from the select scenes they showed us last month, I'm more intrigued by the Strause brothers' resourcefulness than the perfunctory narrative they've laid out thus far. I missed the Comic Con presentation in July, but I'm told the "First Contact" sequence - in which we see hundreds of thousands of human bodies being vacuumed up into hovering spacecraft - is much more impressive now that it's mostly finished. I love the idea of watching this unimaginably horrific event from a widescreen-framed distance; this is the way it would look to the naked eye. It's a disquieting sequence, and it's something I've never seen before - which sets it apart from nearly every studio tentpole I had the misfortune to sit through this year (including the Hydraulx-assisted IRON MAN 2). We also learn that the bright light emitted from the ships has a transfixing and gradually deleterious effect on the human body (after a prolonged stare, you're basically sucked dry ala LIFEFORCE).

The second bit of footage shown to us was titled "Garage Attack", in which several groups of frantic survivors load up their vehicles and, after some squabbling, tear ass out of the structure. The first car out of the garage gets squashed by the foot of a giant alien. (The frantic and desperate quality of the action here is reminiscent of Spielberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS.) Next was "DB Sequence", which revealed a major spoiler. Without giving anything away, one of the principals is snatched up by an be-tentacled alien, who makes a meal of the human's brain. Pretty nifty. And if you're thinking this is an R-rated movie at this point, the Strause brothers have actually found a way to make this process bloodless. Unless there's a scene of consensual, emotionally-honest adult sex at some point, I'm pretty sure the MPAA will give SKYLINE a PG-13.

Finally, we watched an "Aerial Battle", which is mostly viewed from the apartment-bound (but telescope-enhanced) perspective of David Zayas's character. There's an unmistakable INDEPENDENCE DAY echo here: i.e. we're rooting for a solitary aircraft to evade enemy fire long enough to deliver a coup de grace (in this case, it's a nuclear missile). I'm not going to say if the nuke hits its target, but it does detonate. This seemed like a rather decisive moment in the movie to me (the explosion causes all manner of collateral damage), but when I asked the Strause brothers where it occurs in the narrative, they assured me that the biggest set pieces take place after this sequence. The Strause brothers are promising a "Biblical scale" invasion in SKYLINE that wipes out 99.9% of the human race by Act Two. They're not fucking around. But while I'm impressed by their ability to capture blockbuster-level spectacle on a low-ish budget, I've no idea if their characters and story will be interesting enough to get us back in the theater a second time. Because all successful franchises have memorable characters and stories, right? There's talent here, and no shortage of confidence. If they muck up the studio way of making big-budget event movies, cool. If they simply make a good movie, even better.

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  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    a "Biblical scale" invasion

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    hmmmm, the new TRAILER does make me want to see it,whereas

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    the first made me want to vomit. It does have an INDEPENDENCE DAY quality to it, which is pretty cool (for nostalgia)

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I'm a sucker for alien invasion flicks...

    by SlyAndTheFamilyStallone

    ...I really want to see this.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I'm intrigued by this.

    by DiscoGodfather

    It's nice to see a major studio that still takes chances. Besides, you can usually wring at least a little fun out of alien invasion movies. What can I say, dammit, I love watching landmarks get destroyed, and I'm not ashamed to say it.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    GIANT MONSTERS RULE

    by the Green Gargantua

    I was hoping for a full scale alien invasion today, anyone else?

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Model to Avoid Studio Interfence ...

    by thorin01

    Umm, there's really nothing new to their model. It's basically the same one Lucas used with the Star Wars Prequels and Cameron used for Avatar. Basically its: <br> 1 - Have enough money on hand to fund your own movie. <br> 2 - Have easy access to or own your production facilities. <br> 3 - Only rely on the studio system for distribution. <br> There's nothing magical about it. They have a lot of money banked from their previous work and they own the facilities to do their own post-production. <br> The reason you don't see this model used very often is because there are very few people in the world who have the resources to pull it off.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    If they own a vfx studio

    by D o o d

    then how is this low budget...?

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    It's "Low Budget"...

    by mrbeaks

    ... when compared to other studio sci-fi "event" films.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Love That Gonzo Attitude...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...hopefully they'll make enough on this to empower them.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    INDEPENDENCE DISTRICT 9 DAY : THE MOVIE

    by gruemanlives

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    low budget = magic word for nerds to watch

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Hey, come see out low budget $75,000,000 film. We couldn't afford stunt men! (sigh....I'm still going to watch it though...sucker for alien invasion pics done right).

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Batista versus the Aliens?

    by Flip63Hole

    Hope it doesn't suck.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 effects were garbage

    by Zardoz5

    in a lot of places. Hopefully they stepped up their game this time.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    AVPR = No sale!

    by Sigourneys_Beaver

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Heard it was shot for under $1 million...

    by RonnyCox

    With all the effects done at cost, it's just under $10 million.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    75 Days

    by Countdown_to_Vader

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I hope people like it.... that's all.

    by ColinStrause

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    They shot in the same building where my in-laws live

    by jersey_d

    It's in marina del rey, ca. Very nice condo complex. The residents weren't too happy about crews shooting all day and all night, so I hope the movie was worth it

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    AVPR was beyond shit

    by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS

    What I saw of it anyway, the whole thing seemed to be shot in pitch black. I love a good alien invasion flick as much as anyone but these two guys will have to go a long way to proving they arn't the hacks they appear to be.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    That guy in the last picture looks like

    by ewokstew

    Jeremy Piven with a Krispy Kreme consumption issue.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    ColinStrause..I hope people learnt from AVPR... That's all.

    by Sigourneys_Beaver

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this

    by NippleEffect

    hope i'm not disapointed

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:03 p.m. CST

    The movie takes almost only in the sunlight... you will actually

    by ColinStrause

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    <cont> to see stuff this time

    by ColinStrause

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    It looks

    by macheesmo3

    appealing I will give it that. IF the story turns out to be well done this could be a lot of fun. The good thing is that I won't go into it full of crazy hype that it's going to be awesome like I will at say, Battle Los Angeles or something.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I have high expectations

    by billF

    So far nothing I have seen or heard has diminished my excietment.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    ColinStrause

    by Sir Loin

    Thanks for posting in here, your movie's looking really good and my butt will be in the theater seat opening weekend. How cool it must be to have your own resources for making films, I shot 8mm back in the early 80s and always wished I'd followed that dream. Ignore the haters!

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Colinstrause...

    by Sigourneys_Beaver

    You use this forum almost as badly as you make a movie. Sadly, I'm not Sigourneys_Beaver either BTW.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Will probably be a hit...

    by BurnHollywood

    The trailer has a nice, "WTF is going on?!" vibe, where you're trying to figure out how all this weird shit (people getting their faces cooked, floating away, dinosaur-size aliens, etc) ties together...<p> I'd see it.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    I'm cheering for this one!

    by sonnyfern

    Being an indie moviemaker myself, I hope I hope I hope these guys knock this one out of the park, but for Christ Sakes they NEED A GOOD STORY AND CHARACTERS!! I know the f.x. will be great...but they gotta do more than that! Like I said, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will be an epic happening.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    ColinStrause I'd give your movies a chance

    by UGG

    If you or your bro weren't such knobheads on public forums. True WE are knobheads, but we can be. I understand AvPR may have been a hard time but there was no need to get assy with peep's who criticized. (although most like me probably deserve it) <p> I may give this a whirl, as I loved Vicarious I beleive I saw you on the DVD?

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    ColinStrause - i have a question.......

    by CARTMANEZ

    was there any talk of you guys...doing AvP 3? <p> although AvP:R gets a bad rap it was still a success and i wonder if the studio were up for doing a 3rd one (set in space in the Alien era?) over what they doing now with Predators and Alien 0<p> you got any insider info on what mightve been?<p> btw im liking what i see with Skyline, its been a good while since a decent alien invasion movie so you guys might be on to a real winner here...

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST

    you got my $10

    by frank cotton

    i had some problems with AvPR, but i like what i've seen of this so far. nice to see someone take the $ they made from a studio project and invest it back in a personal one, rather than spend it all on coke and hookers! hey, if you'd like to do a film about TIME TRAVEL, frank's got an excellent property he's sitting on. seriously, i've been published, and i'm not a complete hack

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    I'm all up for Heart and Effort

    by D o o d

    You know I can deal more with a film that has had a lot of heart and effort put into it than a Michael Bay effort any day (regardless of the budget). So I'll give this a viewing but if it's shit and this site is not reliable in giving that kind of honesty, I will not be pleased!

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Looks great. You've got my money come the release.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    As to the fucknuts giving shut over AVPR:R, get a clue. No it wasn't Alien, Aliens or Alien 3 but it was a damn site better than Alien Resurrection or AVP. Entertaining, well made movie and I for one really enjoyed it. So Mr Strause, you've got my best wishes for this one if that means anything - really looking forward to it.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 9:03 p.m. CST

    my fave scene of AvPR was...

    by CARTMANEZ

    get to duh CHOPPAH!

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    AvP v3 ain't happening

    by FracturedLojak

    Accept it. Ridley Scott is working on the prequel, and it has legs. No point in rebooting AvP for at least another 7-10 years after that comes out. I wouldn't be surprised if there are sequels to the prequel, all taking place before the original of course. RIP Dan O'Bannon.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Im a gonna be there premiere

    by pax256

    And I really hope to be genuinely surprised. But its not good enough to be outside the studio system. The story has to be good.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Hint_of_Smegma

    by Chief_Red_Crow

    You "really enjoyed" AVP Requiem? Good for you man, but I don't know how. The whole thing was stupid, ugly, and boring. Did I mention it was really, really stupid? Sure the Bros. were probably hamstringed by Fox, but what filmmaker(let alone Alien fan, which they professed to be)would look at that script and say, "Yeah, I think I could make that work." What really chapped my ass, though, was that not only was it a bad film (badly shot, (very) badly lit, badly acted, and with a script that appeared to combine random cliche's randomly) but that it was so mean-spirited. Alien and Aliens were tough, scary films, but they didn't mistake gore for suspense or alienate the audience. The little kid getting chestbursted with his Dad was dumb and off-putting, but the scene in the Maternity Ward was so vile, not to mention obvious (the Predalien 'impregnates' them, get it? Huh!?) as to make me hate everyone involved with the production. And I'm no prude, mind you. Far from it. I just thought the film was deeply insulting to me as an Alien fan. Much more so than Paul Anderson's also shitty film. Btw, this movie looks like shit too. Donald Faison? Misinterpreted the tone of the film after reading the goddamn script? That should tell you everything you need to know.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Bodies vacuumed up into hovering crafts...

    by NoHubris

    ...reminds me of HBO's COSMIC SLOP from back in the day (F/X were of MUCH lower quality and budget was small of course). Here's the scene at starting at 1:49:<p>http://tinyurl.com/24aj7gf<p>Anyhow, the trailer looks good.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Monsters > Skyline

    by BWOzar

    As 2010 alien flicks go...

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 11:07 p.m. CST

    From what I've seen....

    by MovieDeal

    ....from other sites as well as AICN, this may be a "sleeper". It will be nice to make the regular filmgoer think that this is a HUGE tentpole pic. Well, especially if it's GOOD! I'm hoping. Much better than the cynical assholes who (HATE this site) but STILL hover around to post their self-congratulatory "clever" comments.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Everyone should support this

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> Fuck the studios when they try and suck the lifeforce out of a project. I hated ID4 and SS War of the Worlds. The 53 TWOTW is a classic and is still fucking killer and The Arrival was decent. </P> <P> The second I saw 99.9% of the human race wiped out my head hit the bottom of my jaw. Fuck yeah! It's about time someone got it right. Although 99.9% isn't quite enough in my book, cuz that still leaves I think about 68,000 fuckers. But that'll do. </P> <P> If this does well then they'll keep bringing us bigger and better projects without corporate influence. Spread the word on this. </P> <P> I'll be checking it out. </P>

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    REALLY low budget?

    by gun_will_travel

    NO. Check out The Call of Cthulhu in Mythoscope. Now THAT is low budget! (And still pretty damn entertaining for a sci-fi geek).

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    And BTW

    by gun_will_travel

    The first item that should have been cut from the budget was clothes for Scottie Thompson. Is it too much to ask for aliens to just vaccuum up her clothes?

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Good luck to them

    by BenBraddock

    2nd trailer looked good, I'm there

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Screenplay by f/x artists

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Wow, this will be good then.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Beaks, what do you think about their lawsuit with Sony?

    by BadMrWonka

    it seems like it was mostly just a tactic to change their release date, but is it completely baseless? I think it's a little sketchy that they made this movie a the same time (or very soon after) they were working for Sony on Battle: Los Angeles...and didn't tell them. if there was no impropriety, why wouldn't they give them a heads up? pretty fishy.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Monsters

    by Righteous Brother

    another alien invasion movie is also coming out, that was shot by a crew of about 5 and the director did all the effects in hs bedroom.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 5:22 a.m. CST

    It can't be as bad as "Independence day" ...

    by andyny29

    one of the worst films ever made. I wanted my money back after seeing it.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    That cunting VW ad

    by belasco_house

    how the fuck do you close it? <p> Cunt keeps playing on loop... no idea what the top 4 or 5 news posts are today, can't see them

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Oh. It's gone.

    by belasco_house

    Never mind.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 6:44 a.m. CST

    74 Days

    by Countdown_to_Vader

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    ColinStrause

    by Flibbertygibbet

    If that is indeed you - very brave of you to post in here, you know how things can get! Good luck with the film. That is all.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Looks like a good Netflix rent

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    . . . but that's about it.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Aren't they getting sued by BATTLE: LA ??

    by Unlabled

    For essentially stealing VFX from that movie as they worked on it???

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    YUP

    by Unlabled

    http://www.deadline.com/2010/08/battle-over-l-a-alien-invasion-films/ "I'm told the questions that SPE legal are asking include whether Hydraulx’s work on Battle: Los Angeles served as a springboard for Skyline, or gave the Strause brothers access to equipment that helped bolster the visual effects on their small budget film. SPE’s position is that at minimum, the Hydraulx principals should have disclosed their intention to make the rival project, to avoid any conflict of interest issues"

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Scottie Thompson is H-O-T

    by S-Mart shopper

    If I were an alien I'd suck her dry

  • Scrubs has soured me on Donald Faison, and I think Eric Belfour is a terrible actor. However, as other have already said, I am a sucker for invasion movies.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I like everything I've seen and heard.

    by blackwood

    Especially the 'fuck studio interference' ethic. That's the way to my geek heart. Even if I don't like the film I can respect that I'm watching something made as intended.<p>There might be a 'conflict of interest' with BATTLE:LA because of FX work but everyone and their dog is coming out with an alien invasion movie in the next few years. Thank you, DISTRICT 9. You saved us from the vampires.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Sony's timing seems fishy

    by RonnyCox

    Sure Skyline was under the radar but it was reported on all last winter How could Sony not know about it? It wasn't until after Skyline stole their thunder at Comic Con that they started crying about it like a bunch of big studio bitches.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    You know what this movie needs? Will Smith!

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I'm actually pretty impressed by what I see

    by kidicarus

    As long as the core characters remain interesting after the shock and awe of the opening tones down, it'll be a solid invasion pic.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Tentpole movie in my pants

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Battle: LA

    by Roveache

    I still think the real story is how Hydraulx decided to make this movie even though they were doing the FX for a rival film, Battle: LA. Working at a VFX company myself, I know how elements are reused and artists are strategically shuffled around. But hell, I'll probably see (as in DOWNLOAD) both!

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Mcdevitt's Time Travelers never Die

    by rben

    is out in paperback next week. looking forward to it. what does that have to do with this talkback? nadda. just sayin. readin good stuff is cool.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    wait, Turkleton is in this movie?

    by rben

    great, i'll keep expecting J.D. to make an appearance the whole film!

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MOVIE NEEDS? D. VADER!

    by J-Dizzle

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Chief Red Crow. High horse you're sitting on, fella.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    It was boring and mean spirited to YOU perhaps. Not to me. It was a damn site more playful and closer to the tone of the first two Alien films as far as I was concerned. Badly lit? I've never understood that criticism of the film. It's no Citizen Kane, Granted, but its an entertaining movie to me, with great nods to both franchises that don't detract from it being it's own movie. I think people can sometimes read too much into a film when they don't personally enjoy something. The maternity scene? That bothers you? The kid getting burstered? Well fine, if that bothers you that's one thing. But if it'd been Ridley Scott directing it with exactly those two scenes I'm willing to bet you'd be raving about them and saying exactly the opposite. It all comes down to personal opinion of course but I really don't see why this one gets so much flack - the worst I can say about it is that it had the chick who played Dale Arden in the skiffy channel rape of Flash Gordon. It had good humor when needed, it was appropriately brutal for a film about these creatures and yeah, I enjoyed the hell out of it. So these guys have got my money for Skyline no matter what any review says because they've already entertained me, and bearing in mind even Ridley Scott can't seem to manage that these days, that's saying something. Good luck to them.

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Hint_of_Smegma

    by Chief_Red_Crow

    Putting aside all other criticisms about the Bros. approach to the film, don't you think that the film was misguided at its basest level? All four "Alien" films, each of which has its distinct merits (although I loath the decision to kill of Newt and Hicks), were all big-budget, imaginative sci-fi films set IN SPACE, IN THE FUTURE. Along with Ripley, that was the thread that tied them in my mind. The narrative never came back to Earth, which is why I find Fox's AVP franchise so disingenuous. Both films were clearly cash-ins on brands that they had allowed to fall out of favor, which is very sad considering the strong creative pedigree of the earlier installments (arguably minus Resurrection and definitely minus Predator 2). The original AVP at least had a distinct setting and large-scale sets and effects. AVP:R's rural, contemporary setting was weak. Can we agree on this point, perhaps?

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach my first thought was that

    by KilliK

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I have psyched for this from day 1

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Not saying it is destined to be a classic, but the visuals are amazing, 99.9% of us get iced, c'mon it looks fucking cool!

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I have BEEN psyched for this from day 1

    by DoctorZoidberg

    sheesh!

  • Oct. 14, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST

    People that have worked with these guys

    by Brosefulae

    hate them.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Chief - guess we can't.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    I didn't see that at all. Frankly, I'll give you that AVP sucked massive balls. It's setting, it's execution. But AVPR was a different animal and the setting added to the threat of the creatures. It gave a good reason or Weyland/Yutani's pursuit of the creatures and unlike a continually isolated, minimal threat to existence, the USA woodland town setting made it a genuine urgent need for the things to be destroyed. Stakes were much bigger. Like I've said, it wasn't Citizen Kane but it was for me at least, a good entertaining film that added to the Alien and Predator mythos. And that certainly can't be said of AVP, or Jeunet's miscreation. So, sorry dude. Just don't see it the way you do.

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 10:53 a.m. CST

    People who worked with them?

    by RonnyCox

    You mean like David Fincher and James Cameron who continue to work with them on every project?

  • Oct. 15, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Sponsored by

    by Astronut

    Skyline Chili. That would make sense.