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In the midst of a crisis, Don runs into an old friend.
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  • Oct. 10, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    FIRST??? COOL!!!

    by JaredP

    in a mad men tb

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST

    IDK why...

    by pantera777

    I love such despicable characters as Don and Sterling...BUT I DO!!!

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 1:34 a.m. CST

    seriously herc

    by JaredP

    you need to post a dexter talkback its been 2 weeks since it premiered

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Mad Men needs to run more episodes per season...

    by nomihs

    Also, hijacking another talkback to complain about Herc not having a talkback for a great show like Dexter is akin to sleeping with your sister. Sure, she's a nice piece of tail with a great rack, but it's just WRONG! <p> Wait, did I just hijack this talkback... <p> WAIT! DID I JUST SLEEP WITH MY SISTER? <p> Sounds like a great Mad Men debacle. Dick Whitman, AKA: Don Draper, sleeps with a woman who he finds out later is actually his sister. Who said this show wasn't as soap?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    An old 'friend'

    by Riff_Randell

    It'll either be Conny or Sal. I'm leaning towards Sal. Weiner said of his character, "he's not dead."

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Piping Hot? Really?

    by Crow3711

    I mean she's certainly not unattractive, at all. But piping hot? You have to make some distinctions somewhere. Piping hot she isn't. A little horse faced Imo. I mean, I'd give it to her, no doubt. But she's second-rate compared to most of the tail dons had on the show.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST

    I hope it's.....

    by Clomenhopper

    Conny. He was great.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Crow3711

    by Mono

    Have you seen Hot Tub Time Machine? I suspect that when people talk about how hot she is (I'm probably guilty of this as well), they know the actress as the naked girl from Hot Tub Time Machine, and even though she doesn't look spectacular in Mad Men, our minds fill in the blanks and our libidos remember that she is, indeed, as hot as bleeding fuck.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:58 a.m. CST

    WE NEED A VENTURE BROTHERS TALKBACK.

    by Spaderific

    Yes, I used caps deliberately. WE NEED A VENTURE BROTHERS TALKBACK.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 4:07 a.m. CST

    is this the week..

    by celebritydave

    we find out grandpa was chopping up betty and dons kid?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Nomihs, STFU!

    by mansuper

    Quality over quantity always! This show is good because it's refined. You're an idiot!

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 7:36 a.m. CST

    she's the hottest person on the show

    by doodler

    including january jones. plus, she has emotional depth (deft handling of children, cool enough to sleep her way to the top). Porcelain-doll skin, great hair, trim figure (and we see thru the '60's wardrobe b/c of HTTM).

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Mad Men doesn't need to run more episodes

    by lock67ca

    13 is just fine. Cuts down on the number of "filler" episodes that bog down so many regular 22 episode Network shows.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Bring back Midge!

    by Goon Bighead

    I miss her.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I really hope it's Sal.

    by reTARDIS

    He hasn't been seen or even mentioned this season am I wrong?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    January Jones is 1000 Times Piping Hoter

    by Crow3711

    fact. and pares boobs in hot tub time machine....not to be too picky, but for someone that skinny, she has big fat girl boobs. Really threw me. Not a fan. google it. jones on the other hand...

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    And I Also Hope Its Sal

    by Crow3711

    Loved that guy. They need his...taste.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Pares

    by InActionMan

    Is smoking hot but, as last week's episode showed, she does have some bad angles and needs to be lit properly. <P> In the scene where she was seducing Don last week her teeth were practically sticking out of my TV like they were 3D. Did she do something to piss off the director of photography last week?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:57 a.m. CST

    The interesting thing about Sal was

    by InActionMan

    That his story sort of paralleled. Don's. Both were men living secret lives. Don is the worse person of the two: Deserter, identity thief, philanderer, lair. But Don seems to get away with everything. Sal's only real 'crime' is exploiting Kitty in order to live in the closet. <P> Sal gets fired for resisting sexual harassment from Lee Garner Jr.. Don keeps failing upward.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST

    InActionMan

    by dukeroberts

    You are so right. Sal was a great guy, just living a lie. Back then it was normal for gay men to live that lie. I liked Sal a lot, but I think the old friend will be Connie.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Connie Isn't Really a "Friend" Though

    by Crow3711

    But it would be convenient for him to save SCDP. If it is Connie though, my prediction is in order for him to save the company, deus ex machina style, hes going to want something in return. Control. He's going to make a powerplay for SCDP. Own his own ad company perhaps. There has to be something bad to go with the good he does in saving the company if he brings his business there. He'll want to own Don. They're all still partners, and they run the shop, but he'll be "in charge" ostensibly, and have to be at his beck and call.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    They need to find a good kid actor

    by InActionMan

    to play Don's son. Kiernan Shipka is a great little actress and has turned Sally into a real character on the show. She holds her own with some very accomplished performers. <P> Don's son is a fucking cipher. You could replace that kid with a cardboard cutout and nobody would notice.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    old friend

    by Timahh

    i want it to be kinsey. It will probably be midge or sal.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Kinsey

    by dukeroberts

    Yes! I miss Paul too. I wonder what that burgeoning hippie has been up to.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST

    don's first date of the year

    by Timahh

    Jane's friend/preacher's wife from true blood=hottest girl of the season and easily top 3 of the show(FACT)

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:58 a.m. CST

    What I was afraid of...

    by DanielKurland

    It seems the only way to save SCDP will fall into deus ex machina territory, but at least with these guys, I know they'll be able to pull it off competently.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    In advertising a lot of it is Deus Ex Machina

    by OutsideChance

    A lot of businesses in fact. If a business runs on one or two big clients, and one leaves, quite often that business will fail unless it is lucky enough to have another account drop in its lap.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    OutsideChance...

    by DanielKurland

    I suppose that's true, and fair enough.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Jane's friend

    by dukeroberts

    Yes, Jane's friend is super cute. I would love to ride home in a cab with her.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    other thoughts

    by Timahh

    DEAR GOD, please let tomorrowland(the finale)take place in disneyland. Pretty pretty please. thanks for everything god. Have fun in space. Amen.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    One reason it might be Sal

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Is that Sal's presence would remind Don of a secret he knows about Lee Garner Jr. Don knows first hand the lengths someone will go to when a secret identity is on the line.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST

    ThrowMeTheIdol

    by Gleemonex

    DING! DING! DING! That was my thought exactly. (which, now that I consider it, probably means that it won't happen since the writers are usually way ahead of us plebeians)

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    All these posts and not one mention of Christina Hendricks

    by BiggusDickus

    So allow me:<p>Christina Hendricks has absolutely smashing knockers.<p>That is all.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I Don't Go In For Hendricks, But only Because

    by Crow3711

    I don't typically go for women who weigh more than me. Don't misunderstand. She's sexy, a beautiful woman, and incredible in that pinup, real woman kind of way. Just not my thing. I don't think id be attracted to her naked. Everyone likes different things. She's quite a woman. But I'm not a huge guy myself, and Im sure she weighs plenty more than me. Again, she's not fat, at all, it's just her figure. Not my style. But then look at the guy she's dating (married to?). He's probably smaller than I am. So, each their own. I just laugh when I think of them together. Does he even know what to do with all of that, because, full disclosure, I dot think I would. Jones tho...oh my, Miss Jones.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    RE: InActionMan

    by Riff_Randell

    Thing is, they did replace Bobby TWICE and barely anybody noticed.The role was first originated by Maxwell Huckabee, then came Aaron Hart and now Bobby is played by Jared Gilmore.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Tommorowland.

    by bee152

    Maybe the last episode will refer to the 1969 World's Fair in Flushing Meadows. Didn't it take years to develop and promote that event?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Oops.

    by bee152

    I spelled tomorrowland wrong.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Horribly Sexist Comments and Non- Sexist Prognostications

    by Greggers

    * Bobby is the basic cable tv equivalent of the character Happy from DEATH OF A SALESMAN. <P> * I like my women with voluptuous, but I'm beginning to think Christina Hendricks has quietly crossed the line from voluptuous to whatever is past voluptuous. Something kinda like fat. <p> * I think Lucky Strike is over. OVER! Lucky Strike was very Sterling-Cooper. This isn't Sterling-Cooper anymore, this is Sterling, Cooper, Draper, Fisher-Pryce. <p> * As I've said in the past, I think Lee Jr. was more of a hedonist sexual omnivore (and judging from his bullying, possibly a sadist to boot) than a closeted homosexual, so I don't think he's going to be leveraged into anything. Besides, any play like that would ruin Sal's life, and I don't think that would happen. <p> * Like I said, I like voluptuous women, but I call shenanigans on January Jones' GQ cover. It would be awesome (for Jason Sudakis) if she were actually carrying that equipment, but I think there were some creative photography tricks going on. <p> * No shenanigans with the gal from HOT TUB TIME MACHINE, who if I recall, looked pretty great (and natural!). Let me check google images just to make sure...yep, that's the stuff. I guess I like fat girl boobs. <p> * I expect blowback from the Faye situation. Lots of emotional destruction. It will be bad.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    greggers

    by Crow3711

    completely agree on jones GQ cover. So obviously not her jugs. Some kind trickery happening there. Though I prefer what she actually has compared to that. This: <p> http://hotcelebrity.name/2009/09/19/sweet-january-jones-2/ <p> might be one of the sexiest picutres of anyone ive ever seen. shes exceptional

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    greggers

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Sal doesn't have to make a play. It's just Don running into him might remind Don and then Don makes the play. He might even rehire Sal out of not-explaining-why-to-him gratitude.<p> But like the other guy said, since we predicted it, it probably has no chance of happening.<p> Anyone else want to see Christina Hendricks eat a Double Down in slow motion?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Megan/Don

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    That encounter disappointed me a lot because when Mad Men falters it usually is in the direction of being too much of a middle aged man's male fantasy. That was a perfect example.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Knowledge of Lee's homosexuality is useless

    by ShabbyBlue

    How can they prove it? It's their word against his, and he acts very macho as a front. People would just think SCDP was making up shit to hurt him because he dropped them. It's not like they have photos of him in the act to blackmail him with. I agree with others above who say Lucky Strike and SCDP's relationship is OVER and they aren't going to pull some kind of leverage to get it back. They'll just move on and find some new big account to save them at the last minute.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Quality AND Quantity...

    by nomihs

    C'mon, there isn't any reason to believe that Madmen would suffer due to having more episodes running per season. There are a few slow episodes on every show out there, but even a mediocre episode on Madmen is better than a lot of the other options on TV today. <p> Looking forward to seeing more Don Draper notches on his belt. Freedom of the time period. We need more of that today.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST

    One plus about a short season run...

    by ShabbyBlue

    Is that it frees up the actors to work on other projects, rather than be conflicted with choosing to stay with Mad Men or focus on a movie career (which happens often with other tv series when the star suddenly wants to break into bigger roles). There's no danger of losing any of the actors on this show who are growing in popularity with each season.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Apart from the skirts in this show......

    by CANT_WAIT_TO_HATE

    .....what's the big deal, I'm only 5 episodes into season 1 & so far it's been a snooze fest. When does it become gripping? Because I am in a state of non-grippedness, I am completely smegging ungripped.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 7:06 p.m. CST

    CANT_WAIT_TO_HATE

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    But the "skirts" make U "grip" yourself right?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait to Hate

    by ShabbyBlue

    The appeal is the intriguing characters, the amusing office drama, the fascinating glimpse at the world of advertising, and the 1960s setting with its different social/technological culture compared to modern day. At least, that's the appeal of the show to ME. Maybe others just watch it for the "skirts".

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    78 Days

    by Countdown_to_Vader

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    CANT_WAIT_TO_HATE

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    MAD MEN is a slow burn show. It takes awhile to figure out who everybody is and why you should care. I was that way with THE WIRE. At first I was like "This is just HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREET with Cursing." It took 3 or 4 episodes to really hook me.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    CANT_WAIT_TO_HATE

    by InActionMan

    "Mad Men" like any piece of good art is more than meets the eye. It operates on multiple levels simultaneously: <P> You can watch it strictly for the narrative - Don Draper is a successful advertising man who cheats on his wife, Peggy is an unintentional, proto-feminist making it in a man's world etc. <P> It is also about a major pivot point in American socio cultural history when the power structure and business that was primarily controlled by Male WASPs was infiltrated by women, homosexuals, Jews, Catholics, Blacks and Hispanics. American changed profoundly from 1962 to 1975 before the Carter era malaise hit and the Regan backlash. It was a time when virtually every "minority" in American began to demand a bigger piece of the pie. <P> "Mad Men" is also about why is Don Draper (Dick Whitman) so fucking miserable. They guy is living the American Dream: Movie Star Handsome, Smoking hot ex-model wife, house in the suburbs, 2.5 Kids, successful career, All the hot and cold running pussy he can fuck, paid handsomely for not working very hard. Yet he is absolutely miserable. I think Don may be a metaphor for America itself the worlds richest most powerful country yet Americans in the first decade of the 21st century seem pretty miserable at the moment. <P> I think there is a certain yearning in the audience for what has been called by some "The American High". Even with the Cold War and Vietnam America was the undisputed King of the World. We landed men on the moon, there was a growing middle class that lived significantly better than their parents, things were economically at least very good. <P> Add it the retro look, the hot chicks and a lot more subtext than I have time for now and you can see why this show has won three Emmys.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Slattery directed this ep. huh?

    by terry1978

    Should be a good one.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Ugh...the creepy sociopath neighbor kid

    by ShabbyBlue

    I swear, he's going to become a serial killer or rapist when he grows up.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    "We're Creative."

    by buffywrestling

    "We are the least, most important thing there is." <p> I love when Mad Men goes all meta.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Bobby Kennedy impression

    by Canuck815

    Anyone else flash back to Clone High? Forrruh Supppah, I-errrra want a pahttty platttahh

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Best line

    by bee152

    "I didn't think they'd start with him."

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Don pulled a "Jerry McGuire"

    by ShabbyBlue

    His newspaper article reminded me of Jerry McGuire's memo. Hopefully it pays off in the long run.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Roger Sterling

    by Canuck815

    "Well I gotta go learn a bunch of people's names before I fire them". Goddamn that's hilarious.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Tomorrowland...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ...is Disneyworld. They're going to land Disneyworld. This season is 1965, right? That's when the Beatles played Shea stadium...and Disneyworld in Florida was in development at the same time...

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    So Bert Cooper quit?

    by ShabbyBlue

    Does that mean the firm will now be called "Sterling Draper Pryce"? Er... I mean "Sterling Draper Fisher-Pryce"? :)

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    "You there! Bring me my shoes!"

    by nyjett17

    best line of the episode

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    And goodbye to that guy from BTVS!!!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Really he never fit with the show so I'm glad his stint was short!(lol pun intended)

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Disneyworld

    by ShabbyBlue

    Good theory there, GeneralJackCosmo! Disney was secretly buying up property in Florida during Summer 1965, but the identity finally leaked to the press by October 1965 and word got out that Disneyworld was in development. The timing definitely fits for them to call upon the firm to help promote the new park.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    SO glad there was no Sal

    by Shakeshift

    Sal Romano is boring as fuck.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Lots of red herrings with this episode

    by ShabbyBlue

    The last episode lead us to believe Heinz would be their big new account to save the firm. Then the episode description suggested Don's old friend (Midge) might somehow lead him to finding a way to save the firm. Then they had the called from "Robert Kennedy" which turned out to be a crank call. So by episode's end, they really aren't any better off than when the episode started. I'm glad the season finale revealed no new scenes and we are totally in the dark about whatever Deus Ex Machina might save the firm in the final ep.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Sterling Draper Campbell Pryce

    by Voice O. Reason

    "Hey, Pete....sorry I fucked up American Aviation for you. Let me pay your share of the partnership commission."

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Voice O. Reason

    by OutsideChance

    Yeah, Don had a lot of nerve in the last episode calling out Pete and Roger for losing a big client when he always expected they'd lose it eventually AND he regularly endangers the firm with his own shenanigans.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    That Was A Home Run

    by InActionMan

    Layers, upon layers, upon layers. <P> Free spirit Midge has become a desperate heroine addicted defacto prostitute driving home to Don that SCDP's addiction to tobacco business has made them look to the Ad industry the way Don looked at Midge. <P> Don took Peggy's advice and changed the conversation. <P> Poor Dr. Faye thinks they will now be able to take their relationship out in the open. I think Don's ultimate rejection of Faye will mirror Faye's strange rejection of Peggy's admiration and attempt at friendship. <P> Burt Cooper throwing in the towel is interesting. He has always been portrayed as crazy like a fox, always seeing all the angles. Does he see something the others have missed or have the times finally completely passed him by. <P> Peggy seems to be the only one who is not really afraid. A growing confidence in her abilities and worth? Even if SCDP goes down, she is confident that she would find work elsewhere. <P> Betty finally moving out of Ossining just because she saw Sally with Glen. Jealousy or something else? <P> So much more to digest. I'll have to watch again. What a great season. I think last weeks was the only mediocre ep. of the season.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    InActionMan

    by ShabbyBlue

    Good observation about the Midge addiction motivating Don's "Jerry McGuire" memo. I didn't catch that connection.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Tomorrowland

    by dsback

    I see two others have picked up on it too, but as soon as the episode ended, it all made sense. Considering the finale's title, its gotta be Disney. Right?

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I'm not.........

    by blackflowerX

    Looking at any of the talkbacks for this season , as I've not watched any season mad men yet , just please ....With a big fat cherry on top....Don't tell me Joan isn't in this season (I'll cry)....She's my role model lol.....

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Season 4 that is (Im drunk btw ...sorrry lol)

    by blackflowerX

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    BlackflowerX

    by ShabbyBlue

    Yes, Joan is in the season. She was in nearly every episode.

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Sally Kills herself

    by Doc_ttoc

    I cant help but think they are setting this up to be the huge disney account, impressed by Don's willingness to put himself out there against tobacco and define himself as a man of morale's. Disney would want to be involved with a company like that, a sort of family first company. Meanwhile while the emphasis is on this, what an heartbraking episode if something happens to Sally. Don professionally embracing the concept of the perfect family and what matters about family while being soul crushed by the suicide of his little girl. In no way do I hope this happens, but I have this dreadful feeling this could be what it takes to make Don Draper finally face his demons, when his professional and personal life combine in such a terrible way. If so, could be one of the most powerful hours ever televised. But I think the genius of Mad Men is the finale will most likely have none of this happen and we will love it

  • Oct. 10, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Roger is back in full form

    by Riff_Randell

    Me happy. But I'd hate to see Bobby Morse go. He has to come back.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    They should

    by Rodie

    have Cooper die just like longtime spouses die shortly after their husband/wife does. "He couldn't live without this place," that type of thing. Then they land Disney and it's Tomorrowland, looking to the future. Ironically, it will be such a "family friendly" company working with Don who's "home-life", his liver and his sex life is anything but that...

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Betty Draper

    by KGB3317

    is turning into a cunt

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:24 a.m. CST

    slattery needs an emmy nom

    by brabon300

    for both or either of his directorial stints this season<P>but was don's pulling a jerry mcguire, while brilliant and far thinking, really in character?

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:28 a.m. CST

    ShabbyBlue

    by brabon300

    you better call weiner, cuz that is his kid

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Love the Emerson Foote reference...

    by Spaderific

    ...and Megan looked terrible this week. AND GET A VENTURE BROTHERS TALKBACK GOING!

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 3:06 a.m. CST

    The complete opposite of a deus ex machina...

    by DanielKurland

    Could not have been happier with how this turned out.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Betty WANTING to have a child therapist...

    by DanielKurland

    is just fantastic. And that she's getting more therapy sessions as Sally is getting less.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Spaderific

    by InActionMan

    I don't think Herc is going to oblige fans of the Ventureverse this week. <P> Try over here: <P> http://mantiseye.com/ <P> Mike runs a first rate site dedicated to VB with tons of content and episode TBs that run up to about 100 posts. <P> I have no affiliation with this guy just a fan of his site.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Mad Men TB is number one

    by InActionMan

    When was the last time that happened.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 4:13 a.m. CST

    bee152

    by celebritydave

    bang on! great line. cracked me up.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    lock67ca

    by WeylandYutani

    Yup, I agree 100%. <P> The best US cable and British series have low episode counts per season. <P> The first season of BSG was 13 episodes and had a fantastic, tight narrative. <P> When they expanded to 20 episodes, while still an excellent series, it did start to meander due to bottle shows and filler episodes. <P> It's better to be left wanting more than to feel a season (or series for that matter) has overstayed its welcome.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Fareal

    by InActionMan

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOKay. You just realized this place is the Mos Eisley Spaceport of the internet. It's a shit-ton of fun but, nerd-on-nerd abuse kind of comes with the territory.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST

    re: KGB33 "Betty Draper is turning into..."

    by Executor

    "...a cunt." <p>Um..."turning into??" So you're only on Season 2?

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST

    re: Fareal: I love how smugly unfunnny people think...

    by Executor

    ...they are so brilliant with 7 paragraphs of crap, when (a) most people think it's not funny, and (b) most people stop reading after paragraph 1.<p>There. I was smugly unfunny in two paragraphs.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Sally offing herself

    by adml_shake

    I could see it happening I suppose. Though I'm not sure if child suicide happened back then. She's obviously very unhappy in that house, and just had her only real release valve taken away from her by Betty. It's pretty obvious that the kid therapist see's how fucked up Betty really is and is trying to get her some help with out coming out and saying it. Sally is smarter than her years, I think next episode she's going to do something drastic, or we'll see her start to go all wild child and leave home next season.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Robert Kennedy calling Don Draper - getouttahere

    by deanmail

    hello talkbackers, (WeylandYutani - great name from great film btw - Aliens arrives on blu ray this month in the UK) - weird thing is I started watching Jerry McGuire this morning and I love that Dons motives behind his memo is almost the complete opposite of Jerrys but the similarities are there like less clients (Jerry to focus more on helping individuals, Don wants to save money) and then Jerry wanting to do the ethical thing in business whereas Don wants to just APPEAR like he's doing the right thing and not look like the company that got dumped (His secretary made a good boyfriend dumping girlfriend analogy on that) - had to give up on Dexter series 5 and Sons of Anarchy series 3 (BOTH terrific shows but will come back to them to watch the whole series when they're complete) - Glad I stuck with Mad Men though as there's just this terrific attention to details that keeps me paying attention to all the details and seeing how it all develops and fits together, the prank phone call was excellent - even as I was watching it I felt the disbelief suspension bridge wavering in the wind (Robert Kennedy calling Don in his hour of need!! are you sure mate? are you sure???) madness man - pure madness and I've loved every second of this series - my favorite so far.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Sally Suicide?

    by RosemarysBabyDaddy

    I used to be of the mindset that Sally was gonna leave home for Haight-Ashbury, become a Grateful Dead groupie and never look back. But Doc_ttoc got me thinking...and now I'm afraid that sweet Sally might indeed kill herself. She and Glen talked at length (for 12 year olds, anyway) about death in Sunday's episode. Sally said she couldn't wrap her brain around the "forever-ness" of Death. She's thought a LOT about it, obviously. Could just be due to her grandpa's passing a couple season's ago. Or it could be because she thinks death is the only way out of her repressive home life with her ice queen mother, especially since Don has made it clear that he can't/won't take her in. Glen and Sally's conversation reminded me of the "Home Movies" episode of "The Sopranos" (Season 6, an ep co-authored by one Matthew Weiner). In one scene, Bobby and Tony discuss Death. Bobby says that when you die, everything just goes to black. It sounds like Sally believes roughly the same thing. That "Soprano's" scene foretold Tony's death at season's end (just my opionion). I'm afraid Glen and Sally's death talk may be a bit of unfortunate foreshadowing as well. I hope I'm wrong. I probably am. As someone's already pointed out, the MM writers are usually a few steps ahead of us mere mortals. Sally has evolved into one of my favorite "Mad Men" characters, and I would hate to see her go before she's had a chance to sleep her way down one coast and up the other. Hang in there, Sally. Everybody hurts...sometimes.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Will give it another crack.....

    by CANT_WAIT_TO_HATE

    ......I did love the Wire, which also took it's time to carefully unfold it's plot.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Weird talkback, guys.

    by Greggers

    It's nice that a discussion of such a middle-to-highbrow show like MAD MEN was able to claw its way to the top of the talkback rankings, but its strange that it had to happen through Fareal's creative writing exercise and a spambot post. Ah well. <p> * Here's where we stand with the show right now -- In the next episode, things will either: <p> A) Turn around. <p> B) Go under. <p> C) Neither. Weiner will leave us hanging until next year. <p> Of course, I think there will be a fair amount of C no matter what the outcome. With the letter, (and like with Faye's Heinz tip), I feel as though we're being set up for A. <p> But I feel this way more as a matter of form rather than of content. To wit: I think Don's letter was actually a HORRIBLE idea. I wanted to think it was a masterstroke of Machiavellian manipulation, but instead, it seemed like a misguided misfire, especially for Ken's point about how future clients would be able to trust them. Seriously, WTF? <p> So I think the narrative *feels* like it's telling us that the firm is sinking until Don's initially unpopular, fortune-favors-the-brave masterstroke eventually lifts them back up -- that's the form this story usually takes -- but my brain is telling me that the letter only made things worse. <p> * Sally will not kill herself. However, Sally's progress towards keeping her shit together has taken a major blow with Betty's (possibly motivated by jealousy) move to keep her away from Glen. <p> * Glen gets WAY more play than he actually deserves, am I right? <p> * Bad times for Midge. I wonder how Rachel is doing?

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Sally

    by lock67ca

    She'd probably end up killing Betty, rather than killing herself. Although, I don't think either is likely to happen. Betty sure as hell isn't going to win any Mother of the Year awards.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    A. B. and C.

    by The McPoyle Clan

    A- is too easy, and conventional. One of the reservations I had with last year's finale was how SDCP was birthed so quickly and neatly, and I wouldn't want them to repeat it.<p><p>B- a show that stresses ramifications and consequences can't let SDCP get away undamaged. We saw some of the initial effects last night. There has to be some conceit that keeps the nucleus of characters together, so I think it will survive in some form.<p><p>C- has Weiner given any indication of how far the timeline will jump next season? That will provide a big clue, but there I trust there will be a mix of resolution with some important questions unanswered.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Banning of Cigarette Advertising

    by Damer1

    Congress banned most forms of Cigarette advertising in 1970. Although that is 5 years after this there was growing sentiment that this was not in the public's best interest in the late 60s. I suspect that Draper is going to be elevated soon and once again as a revolutionary.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    SCDP changes name to Sterling Cooper Draper Fisher Price

    by Squashua

    In order to remove the bad media of losing Lucky Strike. <br><br> Don's move last night was quite modern.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Sally is her Father's Daughter

    by MGTHEDJ

    She picked up on the Land o'Lakes ad, and she's wise beyond her years, just as Dick/Don was.<p>Midge becoming a junkie, coupled with the Joan's mugging is in step with what NYC was becoming in the 1960's. Many parts of the city decayed within the 15 years between 1955 and 1970. Oh, I noticed the music for the scene when Don gives Midge money was a callback to Miles Davis' "Sketches Of Spain." Nice Job Mr. Slattery<p>Trudie pulling rank on Pete was perfect. That little waif became a tigress when her child's security was threatened.<p>Betty is so messed up. I don't think it was jealousy, it was the fear of Sally "playing doctor." This finally motivated Betty to move. The kid vandalising the house didn't work, but Sally befriending him did the trick.<p>Sundays are just too rich for TV, and BBC America begins running "Luther" next Sunday!-----later-----m

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    "Mad Men" Pop Culture info

    by MGTHEDJ

    Jon Hamm is now the voice of Mercedes-Benz, and Sunday during the football games Ford debuted their new Lincoln ads with their new voice talent, John Slattery.<p>The Clorox ads during the episode were pretty good as well, I actually rewound the DVR and watched each one. Mission accomplished.------later-----m

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Yes Squashua, we're all on board with Fisher-Price

    by Greggers

    and their adorable little round people, the scal of which set us up for the Star Wars action figure boom of the late 70s. Generation X, represent! <p> (Although, unfortunately for FP, I don't think the success of their little people translated into appeal for own action figure line "The Adventure People." It never really caught on the same way Star Wars figures did. <p> Of course, a good deal of the appeal of Star Wars figures was the brand tie-in. Kid culture for those born in the late 60s/early 70s really was a Star Wars culture, so the success of Star Wars figures had only a little to do with Fisher-Price conditioning. Or Weebles-related conditioning, for that matter.<p> I mean, at the same time we had Fisher-Price people and Weebles, we also had those big honkin' bearded GI Joes and Six Million Dollar Man dolls. Planet of the Apes dolls. Pulsar. Arguably, we were just as conditioned to carry on with the dolls. (My poor dad nearly flipped his lid when at some point I actually asked for a Bionic Woman doll. The fact that she was a part-robot chick didn't really make up for the fact that she was still a chick, and a doll. I was asking for a dolly. But hey, I wanted the *whole bionic world* in my playtime universe, plus I had a crush on Lindsay Wagner. So there you go.)<p> But Star Wars figures was the perfect middle step between army men, whose scale made them more practical for vehicles and quick-action play, and the GI Joe sized dolls, which had limb mobility and individual identity.<p> And this all relates to MAD MEN because...er...uh...Generation X represent!)

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Seriously, back to MAD MEN

    by Greggers

    I can actually imagine an option B scenario, where the series gets upended as Don now has to make his way in the advertising world working for other companies, like Chaugh's, and possibly taking Peggy with him. On the other hand, McPoyle, I think you're right: the production of MAD MEN has too much invested in the other characters to have them drop off the show, and to follow them on all their disparate career journeys wouldn't work. The nucleus has to stick together. <p> (For what it's worth, past interviews with Weiner have suggested that the show has two more seasons after this one.)<p> How about this for next week: <p> No going under, but no reprieve. The show will end with SDCP continuing under the six month mortgage, but with the future uncertain and precarious. Essentially, option C.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Draper peddling Star Wars

    by Doc_ttoc

    It makes me laugh to think of an older Don pitching Star Wars toys to a young nerdy Lucas. That would be funny

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Suprised at Cooper

    by deelzbub

    Thought he would've seen Draper's letter as inspired, considering what all was looming. Guess he doesn't have to pony up his partner contribution if he's out.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Sally may not kill herself...

    by ShabbyBlue

    ...But I can definitely see her doing something shocking as another big cry for help. Just like cutting her hair and running away to find Don at his office earlier in this season. Only it would have to be something more shocking as a protest against moving away from her home/neighborhood.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Biggest, most unexpected change this season was Pete...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Actually becoming a stand-up guy. He not only saved Draper's ass at his own expense, but last week's episode made it clear that the entire future of the firm was in his hands. Had he jumped ship with his clients, the entire thing would have instantly collapsed.<p> Brilliant, equally unexpected move on Don's part to pay his share, same as his "mea culpa" anti-tobacco ad. It shows Don's head is clearing up, and points to a new direction in advertising that started in the Sixties, where the ideals of that era were co-opted by Madison Avenue.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Too much attention has been given to Sally this season

    by ShabbyBlue

    A lot of screentime this season has been devoted to Sally, so you just KNOW it has been building up to something in the final episode. In contrast, I think we've barely seen Don's son and we have no idea how he's coping with his home life this season given that he was crying when his parents told him at the end of last season that they were divorcing.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Tomorrowland?

    by Voice O. Reason

    Maybe I'm hearing things, but didn't Henry tell Bobby and Sally he was taking them there? And the 1964-65 World's Fair would've been wrapping up around this time...its possible, but I doubt it means Don or SCDP is going to work for Disney. I'm thinking the use of the title, like most things, is the actual place being used in the episode as a symbolic metaphor for something bigger. I don't think Disney would want to be involved with this show for some reason, given its on a channel that competes directly with the networks they own.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Fuck off Fareal

    by Xiphos_2

    take your political shitbaggery someplace else you worthless cocksucker.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    77 Days

    by Countdown_to_Vader

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    So, is Truxton Spangler fish food?

    by The McPoyle Clan

    Discuss.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    I think Pete is sort of a surrogate for Don's brother

    by Greggers

    Other internet commentators have described Don's payment in more cynical terms, but I don't think that hits the mark. The last scene of last season sent the message that SCDP is Don's family. <p> Which kinda sucks for Sally, Bobby, and Gene.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    And Peggy is like a younger sister for Don

    by ShabbyBlue

    As we've already discussed in previous talkbacks, she's going to become the new Anna to him... a platonic female friend he can confide in and treat almost like a sister.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    A day behind, just saw the episode now

    by Rebel Scumb

    Had to wait for my torrent to download, plus its thanksgiving this weekend here in Canada. The thing I realize more and more about Mad Men which each season is its not so much a show made in the 2000s about the 1960s, it feels more like a show made in the 1960s that is about our current present day. I'm not sure if that makes any sense though the way I'm describing it. I would love for the series finale to jump ahead to the 1990s and Don as an old man comes to visit a modern advertising firm where his daughter Sally is now working, and just show the huge differences.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The McPoyle Clan

    by BackRiverCatfish

    Truxton's scared Kale's gonna choke him out!

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    What makes you think Sally offing herself will change Don?

    by lowpassat

    He's already lost his little brother by suicide, didnt really seem to effect him much

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Rubicon

    by InActionMan

    has improved significantly since the start of the show. <P> Unfortunately, I think it was structured badly. It should have been more like the X Files or Fringe: API hunts down the "Terrorist of the Week"(instead of the Freak of the Week) using their analytical skills while the conspiracy plot slowly develops as the B story each week. David's mentor should have been killed in the last episode of the season and a lot of what we saw as season one would have made a much better season two when put into context. <P> Given that Rubicon is the lowest rated show on Sunday nights I don't hold out much hope for a second season.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb

    by BurnHollywood

    "it feels more like a show made in the 1960s that is about our current present day."<p> This episode's layoff sequence was definitely topical...

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 12:01 a.m. CST

    @Executor

    by KGB3317

    lol, no but I might need to go back and watch the show from the start without rose-colored lenses for January Jones/Betty Draper. She was always kind of a bitch..but this season she has clearly gone into cunt territory..even after saving Don's ass with the Feds.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Rubicon

    by Rebel Scumb

    I just got into that show last week, and I'm all caught up except for this weeks episode (12), so I'm going to avoid reading whats been posted for now. I think its a really great show though, reminds me a lot of John LeCarre novels.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 6:23 a.m. CST

    76 Days

    by Countdown_to_Vader

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    lowpassat

    by adml_shake

    Thats true, but he had also written off that part of his life and would have been just as happy to never see any of them again. But Sally doing it would be a serious blow to him, it's his daughter. While he acts distant and cold to his kids from time to time (skipping out on getting the cake for Sally's B-day party for example) he has shown that he cares about his children. When Sally ran to him while he was at work, I think he caught a glimpse of just how bat shit crazy Betty is and was for a brief time thinking about letting Sally live with him. Then his libido spoke up and squashed that idea down.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Kiernan Shipka

    by lock67ca

    Just saw an interview with her. This girl, just like Sally, is wise beyond her years. Hard to believe she's only 10. She comes across as someone much older than that. I have a feeling she's going to be a big star.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Greggers

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    <p>I think Don paid Pete's share in return for Pete covering his ass on the government background check. Simple as that. Although obviously over the course of the series Don has come to respect Pete's ability to do his job well.</p> <p>Shabby, I agree that Peggy is definitely the new Anna to Don, or at least on her way to being there. More than with Anna, though, I think Don sees A LOT of himself in Peggy.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Peggy's "shenanigans" line

    by BizarroJerry

    Brilliant call back to earlier in the season. And Don actually finding it funny speaks volumes about their relationship. If someone else tried to make that joke, they would've gotten their head bitten off.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Greggers

    I think there was something a little more intimate in Pete's toast to Don; I think that over the course of the series, they've come to have more of a relationship; I think Pete (like Peggy) has always tried to win Don's approval on an almost familial level; I think Don's brother would have been just about Pete's age. And again, I think Don pours more of his heart into the firm than his family, making it a de facto family. <p> These are all interpretations, of course, and nothing explicit along these lines has been said. (And it wouldn't be said. "Pete, the dynamics between us remind me of what my relationship might have been like with my dead-by-suicide brother. Mazel-tov!") But I think it's a good reading, and I stand by it.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Do you want the backwash

    by Kraven Morehead

    is my new pick-up line. Little Glen is a crack up. From his body language while laying around in his football uniform to hauling ass after he dropped the cokes.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    DRAPER'S OPEN LETTER...

    by Weasel

    ...was an absolutely brilliant move on his part. When you're surrounded by the enemy and there is absolutely no viable defense left to you, then you do what Draper did: attack! While his team mates were dithering, whining, and pretty much just wringing their hands like a bunch of little girls (I'm surprsied that an old pro like Burt Cooper was so easily shaken, though), Draper decided to actually DO something. DD reminds me a lot of Julius Caesar at the Rubicon; not a lot of soul-searching here - he just up and did it, Brilliant, Don! And I'm sorry, Crow 3711, but Megan's "big fat girl boobs" are a truly wonderful thing to behold. As I've said in numerous Mad Men talkbacks, I'm hoping that this female character has some staying power in the story arc. I would love it if she ended up being the woman who finally makes Don something more akin to an actual human being. And as for daughter Sally? If you want to knbow her fate, gentlemen, all you have to do is wait until cable re-runs, for the umpteenth time, the movie "Forrest Gump." I'm willing to bet that his friend Jenny's journey through the sixties, seventies and eighties is an exact parallel of what will happen to Sally Draper: sex, drugs, rock and roll, and death by AIDS at the end of it all. Poor thing.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Last week it was Roger is suicidal

    by DustinBones

    this week it's Sally, what show are you guys watching? Sally is doing the best she has ever done. And, no, no one (we know) is jumping out of a window, ever. It's just symbolic imagery.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Betty moving out of the house

    by DustinBones

    is nowhere near enough of catalyst for Sally, she made it out of the separation and the divorce just fine, little Glenn ain't gonna be enough to off herself.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Spoiler ALERT

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I posted this last week (Just watched Sunday's episode so I'm a little late here), and maybe it was in the previews which I didn't watch but the last episode - according to People magazine anyway - will feature SPOILER jdhfjhj kg hluhd fluas dhguladnsj hfjsdnfjna ludshuas ngdjlbgfjbdgaf gjah fdjl hgjklahgDon and Megan and the kids (???) poolside in LA khjdks; hjkfdlh iueyt faspa.<p>I wish I never read it but I'm sharing the info so other people can suffer as I if they so choose.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Spoiler ALERT

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I posted this last week (Just watched Sunday's episode so I'm a little late here), and maybe it was in the previews which I didn't watch but the last episode - according to People magazine anyway - will feature SPOILER jdhfjhj kg hluhd fluas dhguladnsj hfjsdnfjna ludshuas ngdjlbgfjbdgaf gjah fdjl hgjklahgDon and Megan and the kids (???) poolside in LA khjdks; hjkfdlh iueyt faspa.<p>I wish I never read it but I'm sharing the info so other people can suffer as I if they so choose.

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    If History teaches us anything

    by TxRangerFan

    In 1964 the Surgeon General came down hard on big tobacco. Besides the warning label, most advertising was (except n for print) was bye-bye. Was Don Draper the cause? Stay tuned...

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    TxRangerFan:TV ads went away on Jan 3 1971

    by MGTHEDJ

    The final ad aired on "The Tonight Show" in the final break before midnight. But more money was then put in print ads and billboards. This peaked in the 1980's with "Joe the Camel." Then the feds came back around in the 1990's and nuked big tobacco again.-----later-----m

  • Oct. 13, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Dustbinbones

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    You're wrong about the window. In a way. Weiner has said that one of the supporting characters (can't remember which one, but it was a guy who cheated on his wife in season 1 and felt guilty) was going to jump out of the window but they had a change of heart and dropped that idea.<p> As to Roger being suicidal, well he's lost almost everything that matters to him plus written his memoirs. We're not pulling that idea out of thin air, the show is shoving the idea at us that he's at the end of his rope.