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Beaks here...

Zack Snyder's SUCKER PUNCH was one of my most anticipated movies of 2011 before he got the SUPERMAN gig. Judging from the footage shown at Comic Con (scored to Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks"), the film has the potential to be just about anything: ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST for teenage girls, a series of HEAVY METAL covers brought vividly to life, a reminder that Scott Glenn should be on the $50 bill, and so much more. In case you've forgotten or somehow missed the trailer, give 'er a look-see.
Tell me you don't want to see that right this instant. Well, the lucky bastards below actually saw it a couple of days ago in Chatsworth, and their reactions are about as different as could be expected. The first review makes a reference to SCOTT PILGRIM VS. THE WORLD - which I'm sure is a great artistic compliment to Snyder and an absolutely frightening commercial prospect for Warner Bros. (though I can't just imagine seeing that trailer and not being sold on the movie - even if you can't make heads or tails of what it's supposed to be). It's important to remember that the version of the film screened this week was far from finished. There's still plenty of time to tweak this. Or not. I've a feeling WB wants Snyder fully focused on SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL as soon as possible. Here's Anorak with our first look at Snyder's wild amalgam...
Monday night I had the fortune of seeing what I assumed to be (and was later confirmed to be) the first test screening of Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch," set to be released nation wide on March 3, 2011. The screening was all the way out in Chatsworth, but I was determined that win or lose the movie would worth the trek. Oddly, once in line there was a woman asking potential audience memebers whether or not they attended this year's Comic Con and then checking their names against a 2 page list. Several people were asked to leave. After lying about my attendance I was able to get in and scored premium seats in the back row. Before the lights dropped Zack Fuckin Snyder came in from the back door in a baseball cap and sat 3 seats away. The lights dimmed and the movie began. All backstory, titles and credits roll over a soundless motage set to a Pixies cover. We are introduced to the protagonist, Baby Doll has a younger sister and their mother has just passed. Their stepfather terrorizes them and the next night locks Babydoll in a room and goes after the younger sister. Babydoll escapes and shoots him, inadvertently killing her sister. She is then placed in an insane asylum and the person in charge is paid to have her lobotmoized in order to keep quiet. In a few days the doctor arrives and in the moment before the spike is hammered into her face, we are transported into Babydoll's mind. Here the asylum is a whorehouse, the therapist a dance instructor, the patients prostitutes, the warden their pimp, and the leacherous stepfather a priest. Babydoll is told that in a few days the Highroller will arrive to take her virginity. She is then forced to dance. It is in this moment that we once again retreat into Babydoll's mind, a breathtaking snowy feudal Japan scene where Babydoll is given a sword and a gun and told that she must find key items in order to escape her fate. What ensues is a awesome fight against 3 15 foot samurais, including one with a gattling gun. Babydoll decimates the samurais and we are brought back into the whorehouse reality, the crowd stunned at the unseen dance they'd just witnessed. Babydoll then befriends the other prostitutes and enlists them into her plan to escape the brothel. As they go about collecting the items, Babydoll does her entrancing dance as a distraction, and each time we are transported into a different fantasy setting in which Babydoll and the other women work together to achieve a quest associated with the item they are attempting to procure. First there is a WW1 trenchwarfare scene with bi planes, zepplins, mutated German soldiers and mech suits! The next fantasy setting is straight up Lord of the Rings, as the women attempt to take something from a dragon in the middle of a castle siege and battle between knights and orcs. The final escape is a train heist against an army of robots. I won't spoil how it all turns out, how closely the fantasy quests are associated with the whorehouse and the asylum. I will tell you that the connection are all there, embedded thoughout the mulitple layers in some really cool ways. Of the young girls, all are phenemenal! Emily Browning in particular is jaw dropping, even without a line of dialogue for the first half hour or so. She is sexy, tough, vulnerable and entrancing, even without the dance. Oscar Isaac is the true villain and is charming, intelligent and sinister with every line he delivers. This guy hasn't done much before this movie, but he really steals the show. Jon Hamm shows up briefly, just enough to deliver his now trademark gravitas and pomp. The CGI and Greenscreen were some of the best I've ever seen, with the exception of the train scene. Regardless of how unfinished that scene was, the robot design itself was too generic for my tastes, too I Robot. In the castle siege scene, the Orcs look like they were Lord of the Rings leftovers pulled from wardrobe and the dragon CGI is a little too rubbery. The movie is Snyder through and through, meaning a washed out color scheme, a lot of slow motion and sudden speed up. Unlike previous Snyder remakes and adaptations, however; this film is equal parts flash and substance. The mutli layered dream worlds are well fleshed out, but do bring to mind thoughts of Inception. Unlike that film, the protagonist here is all too willing to dream bigger and bigger. The film flows at a good pace, and even without the fantasy action pieces every 20 minutes the events transpiring in the whorehouse world are captivating in and of thereselves. It is difficult to focus on Snyder's "vision." Although the movie is consistently arresting visually, it does seem that I've seen some of these sights in my own doodles in the margins of school papers. At the same time, there is a charming quality in seeing these post pubescent concepts translated to the big screen; something I never imagined possible. Snyder blows his load early on the samurai scene, and although the WW1 scene is equally intense, the castle siege and train heist are less impressive in comparison. This movie was constantly entertaining and visually revolutionary, in both special effects, as well as camera tricks. Brutally violent, this will get a PG 13 because 95% of the violence is against non human enemies. One thing I couldn't shake while watching this was just how shockingly badass and convinving these women were; Joss Whedon's strong female characters look like a step backward in comparison. In the end this may have been my favorite film experience of the year. It is what the trailer portrays: scantily clad women kicking a lot of ass in crazy settings. I remember a random critic that said Scott Pilgrim was an "indulgence of everything a not-quite-adult, no-longer-a-kid manchild could want from women" and shudder to think what she will say of this film. If you give it a chance you will see that Sucker Punch has a lot to offer and a lot to say besides the simple set up of the trailer, though.
And now here's BLANK's somewhat tempered review.
Beaks, I was in the audience last night for one of the first ever showings of Zach Snyder’s “Sucker Punch” and wanted to write in to tell you about it. Call me BLANK. As I was watching this movie I couldn’t help but think of M. Night Shyamalan’s The Last Airbender. What does a movie about a tattooed Alopecia-suffering midget have in common with a bunch of slutty Cosplay women in an action flick? The answer is, my initial HUGE interest in both movies after watching the teasers and my MASSIVE letdown with what I saw on film later. When I saw the teaser for Sucker Punch I thought maybe Zack Snyder just had a misfire with impossible subject matter on “Watchmen” and now was back to making movies I wanted to see! Fuck me if I wasn’t completely wrong on that one. I know many viewers have a hard time writing a review of a film that is still in a rough state without all of the visual effects, color correction, finalized score, or editing not finished. This movie was way closer to completion than you would expect for a movie being six months from release (guessing it was this finished so early on so they could send it to off for a postproduction 3D conversion). All the visual effects looked 95% done with only tweaks to be finished. The only reason I tell you this is so you don’t think I am being overly critical for a film in its premature state. ********SOME SPOILERS BELOW*********** While there is no date given in the beginning we assume this movie takes place sometime in the mid 60s. The movie begins with Emily Browning’s character Babydollhaving just lost her mother to some ailment. Through the course of a music video montage set to a new version of Eurythmics Sweet Dreamswe are introduced to Babydoll’s younger sister and her pedophile stepfather. Long story short, kid sister is killed by stray bullet meant for child molester stepdad after he goes to rape them. This is the set up for sending Babydoll to the Sanitarium. In the Sanitarium we are introduced to Oscar Isaac’s character Blue. He is the head orderly in charge of all the patients and is the one that takes the bribe from pedophile stepdad to lobotomize Babydoll so she won’t talk to the police. She is to be given the lobotomy in three days. At this point we are transported from the grim real world setting of the Sanitarium to Babydoll’s alternate reality (her fantastical reinterpretation) of a burlesque whorehouse setting. It’s here where we are introduced to the rest of the girls in her group. The leader is Abbie Cornish’s Sweet Pea followed by her sister Rocket (Jena Malone). There is also Jaime Chung’s Amber and Vanessa Hudgens Blondie. Nothing spectacular to report from any of the acting from this bunch. Together they form a dance group that performs for high rollers that come to the burlesque house. They are marshaled by Madam Gorski (Carla Gugino doing a very bad Polish impersonation) who oversees their training and makes sure the girls stay in line. Since this is an interpretation of Babydoll’s reality we are told there is big spender coming in three days to take what is implied to be her virginity. By now in the movie I am wondering where in the holy hell are the flying dragons having sex with ninjas effects aversion therapy that gave me eye boners from the teaser trailer?? Well, this comes into play when Babydoll is told to dance in one of the training sessions for the girls. Whenever she “dances” we are transported to the magical world CGI eyeball sex. It’s in these worlds we are introduced to Scott Glenn’s Wiseman. He informs her to escape the Burlesque house/Sanitarium she will need five items: a map, a knife, a key, a lighter, and one final special thing. What goes on from there is sequences of Babydoll’s dances where her viewers are so captivated by the dance that the rest of the girls can grab the items necessary to make their escape. By now I am sure you are wondering whether if I am really bad at laying out the storyline or is the plot really this anemic?? Turns out, right on both accounts. ********SPOILERS END*************** My problem with the movie is that the story doesn’t seem fully realized. Love or hate Avatar with its storyline, Jim Cameron kept your eyes busy with an environment that was pretty spectacular. If you want to keep me interested you will need a lot more than 20 minutes of fantasy CGI sequences sprinkled throughout a 120 minute trek. Having all of your primary actresses’ dressed in Fredericks of Hollywood’s finest doesn’t hurt but ultimately wears thin………….zing! The fantasy sequences are amazing although heavily borrowed from other movies in the art direction department. Drawing from Blood: the Last Vampire to Lord of the Rings to I, Robot there is really nothing new under the sun with where they went in designing the fantasy scenes. The ending felt rushed and unfinished and I am certain that is where a lot work needs to be done so I won’t comment on that. All I can really say is if I would have paid to see this next March (for what I am sure to be a post-converted 3D film) I would have been greatly disappointed. I think Zack Snyder can be a good director but needs to stay away from writing his own movies. As long as Chris Nolan keeps him on a tight leash on Superman: Man of Steel we might have something actually look forward to in 2 years.
SUCKER PUNCH opens theatrically March 25th, 2011.

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  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    What Do You Expect?

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...freeze frame. Slo mo. Speed up. Next scene. Great.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    God I hope he comes threw with superman but i have doubts.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I expect...

    by LordPorkington

    A pint of Jack 'n' coke and a Greggs pasty. That is all.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST


    by Virginia_Woolf

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    poor poor supes

    by idrinkyourmilkshake

    Zack, screw Superman up, and your dead. I like 300 and love DAWN of the DEAD,but WATCHMEN sucked ass.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    2nd Review sounds about right

    by UGG

    And what was it. Pixes or Eurythmics?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Even the negative one

    by P862010

    felt positive lol

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I was there, too. I liked it a lot, but...

    by Gil Brooks certainly will divide audiences, esp. the very end, which had people laughing (for the record- I loved the very end). The last 15 minutes felt too long, though, like Return of the King's 7 different endings. Hope they tighten it up.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    If it's half as entertaining as '300'...

    by Pawprint

    ...then I'll give it a spin.<p> There is NO WAY this could EVER live up to the promise of the trailer though...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    nice music video but doesn't really say much about the film

    by Rupee88

    i'll wait for the tomatometer

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    If it's half as stupid as '300'..

    by savagedave

    Then I'll give it a miss.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:42 p.m. CST

    This will RULE

    by Party_Animal_IV

    I can't wait! I hope Mr. Synder gets the time to finish this properly before starting Superman

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Huge pet peeve of mine.

    by tj donkey show

    The incorrect use of the word decimate. It doesn't mean to destroy something. I simply means to reduce by 10 percent.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The trailer looks like...

    by Rameses

    Ten different films have been spliced together....Reign of fire, cross of iron and brazil , being the most obvious.Still looks mega cool though

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    My impression of 300....

    by Han Cholo


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I don't want to see that this instant.

    by Ribbons

    Zack Snyder doesn't do it for me, and that looks like exploitative garbage. Sorry. I guess that makes me "bad at film," or whatever, but that's just how it is.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH's Journey Through Linguistics


    Decimate can also mean the taking of nine out of ten, rather than one out of ten. Just so you know.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST

    if you dont like 300

    by P862010

    you have no testicles that is all

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    300 was right up my alley.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Because Snyder is all kinds of awesome.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST

    by zdog22

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    If 300 had contained even a hint of irony


    it could have been pretty good. That it didn't illustrates nicely the vacuum between Synder's ears.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by redkamel

    thats not really incorrect usage. Decimate originally meant "to take 10% of" but now it means to eradicate, whether you agree or not. Thats how its defined in dictionaries and in common usage. Good story of how a word went to almost meaning the opposite of its original meaning.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    After Watchmen I have serious doubts

    by zdog22

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Will you one day stop being a smart-ass and post for real? I enjoy your posts, but the charm is starting to wear thin.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I lasted 45 seconds with the trailer.

    by gingerella

    That looks fucking pish. I don't want to see that right this instant.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH's Journey Through Classical Antiquity


    A Roman century didn't actually have 100 men in it, only 80-odd, despite its name.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "If 300 had contained even a hint of irony it could have been pretty good. That it didn't illustrates nicely the vacuum between Synder's ears."<br><br>Wow! Yes indeed, yes indeed. Good analisis there. Kudos.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Something tells me that after this movie is released...

    by AsimovLives

    ... many people's enthusiasm about Snyder as director of SUPERMAN will cool off.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH heartily recommends..


    J.E Lendon's excellent work, SOLDIERS AND GHOSTS: A HISTORY OF BATTLE IN CLASSICAL ANTIQUITY, for those interested in Greek and Roman warfare.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Thanks. Dully noted.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    here we go with the cry goddam babies

    by imagegod

    whaaa snyder is a hack boo hoo! i'm gonna post every 5 minutes to let everyone know that i dont want him to direct superman! please agree with me! <p> do shut up, it's happening and you're part of the 10% of the population that doesn't matter. ps. STAR TREK 2009 was AWESOME. can't wait to see what JJ and Jonathon Nolan come up with together!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I'm intrigued...

    by craptacular

    Even if this is horrible, I've spent money seeing much worse... but I'm intrigued.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Snyder's a....

    by AllThosePowers


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    So what was the Pixies cover?

    by Lone Fox

    Tell me it was Scarling's version of Wave Of Mutilation. That would justify anything that happened for the entire 2 hours afterwards.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Superman will need counselling...

    by AllThosePowers

    ...after Snyder rapes him

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH could dedicate


    an entire wing of the Smithsonian as to why all the horseshit about fighting for freedom in 300 probably shouldn't have been regurgitated with a straight face, but it would likely by lost on maxcherry.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    a compeltly historically innacurate telling of a famous battle that features more CGI then a computer game and is completly affraid to show any homoeroticism from it's characters (while being very homoerotic in presentation), you bet your ass the ebst way for that mvie to present itself was by heavy use of irony. Instead, the movie in it's seriousness looks even more foolish and clownish. If the movie had been ironic, at least both the movie and the audiences would be on the joke.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    So is it Chicago mixed with Brazil?

    by skimn

    I get the feeling Snyder would be a good choice for Biosphere if Verbinski drops it.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Snyder is an hack with delusions of artistry

    by AsimovLives

    And the mind of an imature and ignorant teenboy of 13.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST


    by PleaseWipeMyAss

    YOU JEALOUS!?!?!?!?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Irony lol

    by P862010

    oh damn that snyder for adapting frank miller's work to a tee it is an action film man you fanboys have no balls it seems you all apparently need some thought provoking message i nyour films people just cant go to a movie and be entertained anymore action films are a dying breed and 300 was a breathe of fresh air

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Although THE_CHOPPAH would be remiss


    If he didn't admit watching the shit out of that bit with Lena Headey. You know the one he's talking about.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    the enire movie should be in slow motion


    to please Assimov. he likes slow paced art fag movies. that way he can invent fantasy hallucination induced subtext and imaginary themes in his ass clown carnival mind evoked by his panic attack medication.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    tired of being spoonfed

    by craptacular

    I think I like it, just because it looks kind of like having ADD and drinking a whole pot of coffee. I'm tired of everything having to be explained to death, beyond "some girls mind war trip, battling samurais and dragons, against lobotomy." You won't see that shit on lifetime.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by savagedave

    That's what we really need.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by Squashua


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by savagedave

    everyone knows its a fucking comic book, thats not the basis of their criticism.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    'Sweet Dreams' cover

    by tiktak

    I bet Snyder uses this one:

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    I agree MaxC

    by deelzbub

    Asimov, if you want irony, go see Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson wink at the camera in a Mummy movie. The 300 story was about badass men, ready to kill, and fighting. They were the elite of their era, with no time for fudge-packing or hand holding. And if Xerxes himself wasn't full of irony, he was probably full of 2 quarts of Rod Stewart.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    only a mentally deranged individual


    would go to the theater, watch 300, then complain afterwards that it wasn't a realistic styled, historically accurate sword and sandals epic.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    "with no time for fudge-packing or hand holding"


    Nothing could match the irony on display in that statement, intentional or not.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    While I can't and don't want to speak for everybody who has a negative opinion of Zack Snyder, the only film of his I've liked was the 2004 Dawn of the Dead remake. I didn't like 300 when it came out, and I didn't start hating on the man because it was "trendy." Sorry if that messes up your neat little theory of how anyone could possibly have a different opinion than you.

  • I really liked that film, obviously different tastes.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH is gonna go pitch his script


    about the bad-ass, ass-kicking, no-time-for-fudge-packing SS platoon defending Berlin in 1945. Based on this talkback I can guarantee at least 3 whole ticket sales!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:51 p.m. CST

    And here I thought Sucker Punch

    by Snookeroo

    was a Tootsie-Pop flavored drink.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by craptacular

    Yeah, I liked Watchmen too.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    green screen porn for 15 year olds

    by FranklinStreet

    ho hum. looks like more self-indulgent, head-up-his-ass, slo-mo fight sequences from the king of no substance. no thanks.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Another "all just a dream" movie? Bummer...

    by Flip63Hole

    After the expositionfest of one-dimensional characters that was Inception, I think I'll pass. Though, I have no doubt Snyder can tell a story without resorting to endlessly explaining ridiculous concepts...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Don't get the watchmen hate.

    by Centauri

    Zack did a great job with difficult material, IMO. Rorsarch (sp-whatev) was awesome. Jump on youtube and take a look at those scenes. John was hard a hell to do, and it was quite good. The ending betweent he 2 was spot on.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    New title.

    by TheJudger

    Random ADHD Derived, Alternating- War, Fantasy, & Martial Art Video Game like Item Quests & Boss Battles- Created In the mind of a Psycho "Penises want to violate me" Chick- Who perceives herself and the other nut-job'd Lipstick Lizzo Bitches around her as as Luscious Makeup Heavy Sluts Living a slaves in Dick Heavy Bordello- As they embark on a Quest to Avoid metaphysical dirty man penile invasion and destroy the psychoholica head made Monsters: The Movie. <P> Red Dye no 5, Sugar binge, Red Bull, 8 ball- Fuck Riddlin!--- I glue them to walls! See my walls- dont lick them: The Movie- <P> by- "I'm so fucking hyper, I jerked off and came after I starting typing this- wihtout taking any breaks, but just before I inserted the first period "." "- ZaCk "Fuck Youuuuuuuu Normal Boring Slow Once Assholes- do a line with me or I'll fork your cock in your sleep with my saftey manscaping razon" SnYdEr.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by blackwood

    I read several words from both reviews because I think this looks pretty neat, and I don't really want to know more than that. If it needs to be torn to shreds by the tired old Talkback Standards Association afterwards, fine. I really like that preview. And Zack Snyder is cool. I didn't love Watchmen, but I also think the source material is a bit crap. Which I'm sure is a lynchable offense, but you know, I'm pretty tired of people unable to live with difference.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Going by the trailer. I'm going to SUCKER PUNCH.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Looks good.

    by Sailor Rip

    Like Snyder. He hasn't made a film I don't like.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Zack Snyder has quickly become a director

    by skimn

    that has mastered the visual, the composition, the use of color, using digital to his distinct advantage, but outside of Dawn Of The Dead, to echo another TB'er, I have felt a thing for any of his characters. He's mastered the surface, but I get no emotion. Even in emotional scenes, I feel nothing.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7 p.m. CST


    by alienindisguise

    sluts and a ton of bullshit will never replace a rock solid emotional story regardless of what the morons of today think but unfortunately that's the demographic all this garbage is aimed at.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    The Ptich would be...

    by Randy_of_AFTimes

    MOULIN ROUGE meets BRAZIL through and X-Box.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    have =

    by skimn

    haven't...damn typing at work..

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    This movie reminds me of the "Samurai Cat" books.

    by Ironhelix

    A series of awesome books that were some of the smartest, wittiest fantasy I have ever read.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    To be fair

    by Ribbons

    I don't think Zack Snyder is a terrible director, or even really a bad one; as far as Superman directors and "auteurs" in general go, you could do a lot worse (after reading the new headline about Transformers 3 I sort of felt compelled to say that). There are some things that he does really well. I just think he's a little hack-ish, for lack of a better word, and though I can completely understand why people are interested in his projects (they're pretty much designed to cut a mean trailer), I can't say I've really *liked* any of them since 2004.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    was one of my most anticipated movies of 2011 before he got the

    by IndyCollector

    This makes no sense. You say "was." So Sucker Punch ISN'T one your most anticipated movies of 2011? Why does Snyder directing Superman have anything to do with this now not being anticipated by you? Superman isn't scheduled until Christmas 2012. This site really needs to be renamed AIN'T I RETARDED.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I swear this looks like a kid made it on his laptop

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    it looks like the cheap, dark, fake cgi, with random unrelated elements thrown in to make some people say 'ooo' but it looks like shit. no way i spend a dime on it. superman might suck really hard

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Now I'm worried.....

    by thot

    ...that Snyder just may be the wrong man for the Superman gig. I didn't care for '300', thought 'Watchmen' was decent. I'm just not convinced that his visual style and sense of action is right for the Man of Steel.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Snyder dares to dream a little bigger

    by Arbifax

    Unlike Nolan's bland and unimaginative Inception, it seems Snyder will be the one to deliver on that film's promise of "dreaming a little bigger"

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Photo of Harry You've Got to See to Believe

    by Virginia_Woolf

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    If by "dreaming a little bigger," you mean "slapping together a bunch of shit that middle-school boys doodle during English class instead of learning to read," then sure.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    by Arbifax

    As opposed to slapping together levels from Modern Warfare? At the beginning of Inception Christopher Nolan teases the audience with the idea of making Cathedrals the likes of which have never before been seen by man. But all he delivers are stock locations from the latest First Person Shooter video games.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The SCOTT PILGRIM conundrum.

    by blackwood

    So its B.O. was a bit lacking. It will now sell for ever and ever on home video in many editions and grow to mythic proportions that match its hype. Okay maybe not. But it's a great movie and will find its audience somewhere.<p>Everything Snyder has done up to this point is an adaptation. SUCKER PUNCH is his first ground-up. Honestly, I don't care about SUPERMAN. SUPERMAN has been done, again and again and again. SUPERMAN isn't relevant. SUPERMAN has never been more interesting than Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder and Richard Donner. I doesn't mean it shouldn't be made, or something good can't come out of it, but with SUPERMAN, none of it really matters. This one -- this one is interesting.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Didn't Snyder confirm this wasn't going to be 3D?

    by Mr. Profit

    So how is the 2nd review so assured in saying the film was done for the 3D conversion to be done. If Snyder said this movie was not going to be 3D, I'm inclined to believe him. And if this doesn'r come out till March, I am sure there is a lot more to go to actually finish this movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    "Superman isn't relevant"

    by IndyCollector

    Please explain.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    And is Slo-Mo bitching the new Lens Flare Bitching?

    by Mr. Profit

    It seems to be the same bullshit criticism about him over and over. Give it a rest already. Slow mo-Speed up isn't for you. It's for the young guy you all used to be. The people who still pay to see movies opening weekend and not download them online. The peoole who see these kind of action scenes and eat it the fuck up. <P>Talk shit about "300", but the guys in their early 20's still randomly yell "This is Sparta" and fake kick something down a pit. <p>Its like talkbackers get old and want everything to have some deep meaning. And you end up with very cold superhero movies where Batman is the least interesting character in his own movie, and there is only one major action sequence in a 2.5 hour film... You eat that up and give it some bigger meaning that isn't therw, then go on to deride Snyder and JJ's Star Trek. And pull weird shit out your ass like "Star Trek Babies" when nearly all the cast is in their 30's. Silly.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:04 p.m. CST

    And is Slo-Mo bitching the new Lens Flare Bitching?

    by Mr. Profit

    It seems to be the same bullshit criticism about him over and over. Give it a rest already. Slow mo-Speed up isn't for you. It's for the young guy you all used to be. The people who still pay to see movies opening weekend and not download them online. The peoole who see these kind of action scenes and eat it the fuck up. <P>Talk shit about "300", but the guys in their early 20's still randomly yell "This is Sparta" and fake kick something down a pit. <p>Its like talkbackers get old and want everything to have some deep meaning. And you end up with very cold superhero movies where Batman is the least interesting character in his own movie, and there is only one major action sequence in a 2.5 hour film... You eat that up and give it some bigger meaning that isn't therw, then go on to deride Snyder and JJ's Star Trek. And pull weird shit out your ass like "Star Trek Babies" when nearly all the cast is in their 30's. Silly.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Superman Isn't Relevant: The Explaination.

    by blackwood

    Superman was created in 1932. In the 78 years he's been around, everything conceivable and inconceivable has been done with him. The new SUPERMAN is being made because people recognize what Superman is. That's it. There is no artistic, philosophical, intellectual, visceral, animal, mineral reason we need another SUPERMAN film. None. It's just money and IP. Everything that can be said about Superman has been, a hundred times. Anything the new SUPERMAN will be will be repeating something said before. They've had to create new fictional universes because of how many things have been said about SUPERMAN, and all superheroes. There is no there, there, anymore. And I bring it up, because whatever SUCKER PUNCH ends up being, it's not bumping a dry well for geek dollars. Snyder wrote this five years ago. Because he wanted to. Because he was driven to. I have no interest in another project funded by greed for geek money with no integrity. I have interesting in new things.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Watchmen didn't have a single character to care about.

    by CreasyBear

    Great visuals, a lot of time clearly spent on creating the alternate 80's world, fittingly iconic music choices, but it all comes down to the problem that we don't even feel anything for Owl or his girlfriend; Rorshach was played wonderfully by Bad News Bears but was depressing and too damn sick in the head to identify with, Blue Dick is even more aloof, and well, it's hard to remember any other character. I don't care what else a movie has going for it, if the audience can't give a shit about any of the characters, then it's just two hours (or more) of watching stuff happen that doesn't engage or involve you.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    It's like someone sat a thirteen year old down and asked him to list everything he thought was cool and they just threw all of that shit in there regardless if it meshed and cranked the slo-mo machine fullblast. Looks kinda lame. <br><br> But I've been known to enjoy lame stuff from time to time.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    blackwood, Superman is NOT a dry well.

    by Shermdawg

    Those incompetent suits at Warner Bros. have barely tapped it. They keep recycling the same shit. And you really shouldn't bring the comics into that comparison given they don't exactly go hand in hand with with the tv/film fanbase.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Watchmen sucked.

    by ebonic_plague

    This could be alright, but that plant review doesn't allay any fears.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Sherm, Superman is a continuum.

    by blackwood

    Of course, what has been done in film does not compare to what's been done in comics. And yes, the audiences are different. But we are, broadly, not the 'just movies/tv' audience. We are the everything audience, which includes comics. Superman does not exist in just one medium, and just because all the possible stories explored in comics haven't been brought to film doesn't mean they haven't happened, or that they should be made into movies. I just don't see the point. It's all repetition.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Inevitable comparisons with Inception

    by onezeroone

    Most folks in general public will see fantasy within fantasy as a rip-off of Inception and that just might hurt it further.<p> And this one looks like it will go 300 route.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The geek community makes up a tiny fraction of Superman fans.

    by Shermdawg

    It's only repetition for THEM. (Well, it would be if WB did something new with the character onscreen) And given comics have pretty much been phased out of mainstream outlets, it separates average joe from geek even further. Just because you may be sick of the property because you've experienced all it has to offer, doesn't mean average joe Superman fan has.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST

    The Problem is..

    by HermesTrismestigus

    It looks cheap...the font looks like a Moulin Rouge ad..and the film looks like a music video...its the worst case of style over doesn't even look like a for a positive..the idea and concept from what I could gather sounds cool but we'll see...loks like a bomb from the trailer or a heavily hyped never to be seen french jeuneaut flick.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    See, that's the thing --

    by blackwood

    The average joe Supes fan is not going to get anything evolved with the character. We are going to get warmed over samesies. But that's sort of a tangent to my point. For the record, I'm not a huge comic fan. I have an awareness. But that's also not my point.<p>It's just property. Superman may have many fans, but he has no meaning.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    He should be making video games, not movies

    by SifoDyasJr.

    I would buy these games. I won't go to see these movies.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    It looks like shit

    by AlwaysThere

    I'm not sold on it the same way I wasn't with Scott Pilgrim, and that was because of Cera.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST


    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    Appears to have just a small Obi-Wanesque role? Oh well, pass.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    "he has no meaning"

    by Shermdawg

    I'd say he has more to offer than this masturbatory smorgasboard of cg'd geek imagery.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    I absolutely don't want to see that...

    by BoogerEater

    ..."right this instant," or anytime in the future. Snyder is all visual verve, no substance, and this appears to be nothing more or less than a straight-up vanity project. It's masturbatory and pointless. Slick visuals with nothing behind them are a waste of time and money. I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am that the Superman franchise has again been mishandled by putting this guy in charge.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    When does he make Hard Boiled? The world needs

    by UltraTron

    to see orgy referees that chainsaw folks at the moment of climax in order to help them get off at new levels previously undreamed of

  • ooooops

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST

    The Second guy


    Didn't like Watchmen so i am not gonna trust his review i loved the Watchmen.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:50 a.m. CST

    The problem I have with Suckerpunch

    by lv_426

    And something echoed in the second review, is that it seems like too much thrown together without needing to be. Why not create one fictional universe that can have some of these things in it? Dragons and World War One tech together would be a cool combo and enough for a movie.<P>But then there is the mental asylum, robots, etc... it just seems like overkill cranked up to 11. Maybe that is what he was going for though?<P>Still it looks awesome from an eye candy perspective. It is too bad that he didn't decide to adapt Gears of War or something instead, as that is one cohesive universe and has a more digestible plot.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:07 a.m. CST

    The Superman script is at LEAST 220 pgs long???


    I mean, if those excerpts are to be believed. And if they're real, it kinda spoils the end for us. Reads suspiciously like fan fiction, though...

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:30 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You should say historical fantasy, because few of the shit that was shown onscreen could resemble reality. The Imortals as zombie looking orcs? War elephants at Thermopylae? War RHINOS?? Gunpowders handgrenades in 5 BC?? Sell out greek priests? What the fuck was that shit? And ONLY 300 spartans at the battle? I'm sorry, but there is a difference between historical fiction and HISTORICAL BULLSHIT! It's you who doesn't get it. I'm sorry friend, but it's you. And for your information, i wasn't one of those who came out of 300 loving it and then had a change of heart. I came out of 300 hating the shit out of it. and you know what? When i went to watch it, i was decided to give it a big chance. I was with good hopes and some enthusiasm. It was me that convinced the pals to watch it. It was me who pushed my pals to watch it. It was me who wanted to see it. Until i saw the movie, i had pretty much liked everything i had read about it. I was even had made a rationalization to why the movie was so stylized, i figured, it's because it's the telling of the battle from one of the few survivors and he was telling a hautly tale with patriotic vim to inspire the troops for the next battle agaisnt the persians. This is why i don't evne have a problem with the hyper-theatricality of the movie's pressentation. I evne like that. I have seen too many british historical shows which present hyper-stylized depictions of the ancient times. I'm cool with that, i even enjoy that. But the movie blow out all my good will. Because of the bullshit. Because of it's heavy-handness. Because of the stupidity and retardness. Because the movie is fucking shit. Even the "it's based on a comic" excuse doesn't cut it. I read the comic, and it's not the bullshit the movie is. So, it's you who doesn't get it. And here's the thing, i'm extremely forgiving about the fictional inventions in a work of historical fiction, which is why i can enjoy so much such shows as Kingdom Of Heaven and ROME. But 300 goes beyond all that's reasonable acceptable. 300 is a dumb action movie barely disguised as historical fiction. It's total bullshit. I'm not that easily fooled by shiny trinckets to forgo and not notice the bullshit. And 300 is 100% bullshit.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST

    and by the way, maxcherry

    by AsimovLives

    If a director's track record is bullshit, then it's quite a safe bet, even a statistical certainty, that the next movie will be bullshit too. People, specially filmmakers, are that consistent. What are you expecting, miracles?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Oh, I will enjoy masturbating to the disc

    by Dennis_Moore

    later on, don't get me wrong, but there is no way this is an even passable good story. Yet another thing to give speculative fiction a puerile, sexist face to the mainstream.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:16 a.m. CST

    My 3D sci-fi movie idea, inspired by Suckerpunch's absurdity

    by lv_426

    features a blind, mentally challenged girl being frozen cryogenically until the year 3070, then being surgically upgraded with cybernetic implants, imprinted with the personality of both Julia Childs and Duke Nukem, and finally sent to a world in a far distant galaxy through what the future people call a hyper-spatial arse hole (really just a traversable wormhole). Once there she must free an oppressed race of sentient mushroom-like aliens from silicon-based alien invaders that levitate and have ambi-dexterous diamond blades for limbs. She is aided by a deadly MTV (mech-vehicle-thing) that has the voice and personality of a Victorian prude. The mech has an arm-mounted minigun that shoots nuke bullets. It's fuel cells look like big tits too, in case you were wondering.<P>I haven't thought of a title yet. Maybe you wily yackbackers can help me figure one out.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:25 a.m. CST

    '300' an action film for men?

    by jasper Stillwell

    For 13 year old boys more like. 'The Wild Bunch' is an action film for men.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Irony In 300? Fucking retard

    by smatt584

    300 had irony. For those who actually know the forms of irony; "300" had a healthy dose of dramatic irony in it. The definition of a film-school cunt is one who tries to insert hip buzz-words (gleaned, perhaps, off of an actual wasted education somewhere) into their arguments without knowing what the fuck they speak of. How's that for fucking irony; speaking with authority on something you know shit about. Still very on the fence about Snyders Superman though. Especially as a fan of Snyders earlier work, im agreed about the concern about the depth of character there. The reason "300" worked so well is BECAUSE of the lack of subtlety, but Superman requires some subtlety to correctly portray the character in my opinion. When people use the term "popcorn flick", I imagine movies like 300, where the audience do not need to use their brain, not movies that require the absence of one to be enjoyed (such as Transformers 2 or Wolverine Origins). Superman will almost certainly bring up topics such as moral ambiguity and singular justice versus the greater good. I just don't know how Snyder will pull it off. Can't we just have Snyder direct the action and Aronofsky direct the rest? That would make everyone involved a happy camper. Fucking directors guild. If Rodriguez can do it why can't they?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:25 a.m. CST

    And Asimov

    by smatt584

    Did you read the same "300" the rest of the world did? There was nothing extra there. If you hated the movie it makes no sense for you to not hate the comic. Both were equally "historic bullshit". There was no added realism in the comic, unless you really wanted to see the cocks on the big screen. (comic went full frontal on the soldiers, an element of the comic I was personally glad never made the transition)

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Asimov lives found 300 homo erotic.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

    When I watched 300 I found it to be about Spartans kicking Persian ass.I gave up on second review of sucker punch when the reviewer said something about Avatard having a deep story lol.Everything that you nerds have accused Snyder of,Cameron has been guilty of in his last 3 movies,True Lies,Titanic and Avatard.Cameron hasn't made a good movie since Aliens.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Slow mo

    by smatt584

    Apparently those bitching about the use of slow mo haven't seen an action movie during or after The Matrix. Welcome to reality, the effect is used EVERYWHERE. Those who constantly site it as a jab at Snyder are without usually cliched to the point of not having an actual opinion. Seriously, give a valid complaint but don't hit on the slow motion without renouncing every other director abusing the effect (are you going to honestly tell us that Bay hasn't abused slow mo in worse ways his entire fucking career?, deny that and you are fucking lying your ass off). Superficial, style over Emotional conflict, lack of honest emotion? Yeah, heave an actual criticism on there, but don't be a little bandwagon-jumping, cliche-spouting, un-original whiny cunt and form some logical complaints of your own instead of repeating the diatribes of those who can't properly articulate why exactly they feel one director is talented while others get a pass for worse.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST

    No one can deny Snyder is a fine stylist


    but then so is that gay Brazilian who does The Choppah's highlights.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Sucker Punch Looks Stupid

    by Media Messiah

    I see no reason for it.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    LV_426: That Would Be A Good Outline For A Porn Movie

    by Media Messiah

    Call it, Anal Invaders.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "If Snyder's 300 were a human being it would be Kid Rock."<br><br>You mean, a junkie hasbeen?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The added stuff was all that useless subplot about the Queen and the traitor, which only made the movie even mroe retar dthen it already was. And you know the irony of that shit? First of all, sparta had two kings at all times. Why? To avoid the very same shit that Zacky boy invented for the movie. There was no one king in sparta, there were TWO of them. One would command the army, the other stayed at the home front. There was no senate in Sparta either. But the biggest irony is that some 30 to 40 years after the persian Wars, guess which of the greeks nations received persian money and sold out to the persians agaisnt all the other greeks? Sparta!! SPARTA! The stupid queen subplot is just retard beyond fucking believe. and all that shit talk about liberty in the fucking movie? The spartans were the only greek people who enslaved felow greeks, something which was taboo for all other greeks. The very spartan society was made that abolished all personal liberties and personal identity. It was protp-fascistto the hilt. The movie is just retard like fuck. I don't mind the hyper-stylizations, but i do mind about the fucking retard stupidity in the movie.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST

    A Cheapy Rip-Off Of Pan's Labrynth...

    by Media Messiah

    ...mixed with Girl Interrupted and Shutter Island--by way of Tank Girl--and Barbarella--the latter without the sex. And what is with this guy's obsession with slo-mo? Enough already!!! They gave Superman to this dude??? What a major mistake!!!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Looks like a Fanboy Wank Fantasy...

    by KillaKane

    Why do I feel compelled to see this? ;-) No probs with Snyder, I disagree with the notion that his films are al style and no substance, Dawn of The Dead and 300 were all character-centric. He should be lauded for advancing the medium, visually I think he's in a league of his own, and never dull. Adapting Watchmen was an onerous task, but he did Moore's graph justice imo. The fact that he's been signed on to direct Supes doesn't surprise me, he's a solid choice, works under tight time constraints, makes the most of modest studio budgets and is mind full of the fanbase. Got a lot of respect for the man.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:21 a.m. CST

    A Zach Snyder Wet Dream

    by BeyondStatic

    ... I'm down for that!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Why Sucker Punch won't work


    You really have to be a fan of the director. Oh what the hell, this movie will just plain stink! <P> The costumes looks horrible, too many liberties were taken with the characters and the plot will lurch forward badly. <P> Here's how it will probably go down: It will basically start out with a few minutes in one place, a few minutes in another, a few more elsewhere, etc. You get the idea, and then all these separate incidents gradually and slowly lead to one single plot. MST3K's Pod People was easier to follow! <P> Maybe a few good things about this: Baby Doll(?) looks enough like a video game girl fighter should, but will be hampered by the lousy script and implausible plot. The culture shock she has might be done fairly well, and the Samurai description reminds me of a cross between Freddie Kruger and Jason Voorhees. This movie could have been so much better set entirely in WW2 with the opening scene of Hitler screaming at his generals, "I could make that bellboy a better leader than any of you !" That is from the mythos of the genre. <P> After the opening credits, we should see the process of Baby Doll(?) becoming the hero who goes on to fight the Samurai, who through most of the movie should be spoken of and referred to, but not seen. This movie will need that sort of impact, the indication of the sort of evil the Nazis represented, but as it is, it sounds like one big car wreck.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:49 a.m. CST

    The only sucker punch


    Will be to the audience that pays to see this turd!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    The Worst of Tarantino Mixed with the Worst of Rodriguez

    by Aquatarkusman

    Incoherent fetishism and rip-offs + insipid dialogue.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Snyder haters


    I kinda feel bad for Snyder as you wannabe movie critic arthouse douchebag haters are pissing and moaning like bitchy little girls because watching 300 made you realize you were repressing your own homosexuality and are now living as closet-case self loathers (props to mallrats for the phrase). F you all! Once your balls drop and you realize a movie can be good for other reasons then your gay ass arthouse merit perhaps you will finally realize what f-ing tools you all are.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Wow. Don't get the hate.

    by Nice Marmot

    Can't wait to see this. I don't care if there's no dialogue whatsoever. I'll take the STYLE I see in the trailer and SUBSTANCE can take a hike. Is the footage w/ the LedZep available? Gotta go find out . . .

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I guess I must be the only one...

    by wacko3205

    But I really appreciate Zack Snyder for what he is...if that makes any sense. My thing about Snyder is that he's a great end of the week treat for me every time that I see one of his flicks. If you roll in expecting anything more than the most bang for your'll be disappointed...if you roll in for a brain detatching good're set. Anything about & beyond that...I leave to the Fincher's, Aronofsky's, & Nolan's of the world, because let's face it...these days very few & far between are the Coppolla's & Scorsese's of the world. That being great as this thing looks doesn't look to be much more than a "big boss/video game mash up"...not that there's anything wrong with that after a long work week.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Snyder is obsessed with men

    by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK sausage fest, half naked men fighting and bonding.....<P>Watchmen....giant blue cock and blue ass all over the place.<P>Can maybe , just maybe Snyder do one of two things....come out of the closet already, or stop obsessing over naked men!!!!!!!!!!!!!<P>My own junk is all THE CHOPPAH cares to see, I don't need to pay 10 bucks to see it!!!!!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Can I keep the bottom half?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    by Astronut

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Based on the trailer

    by J.B.M.A.

    I think this looks awful. I've no problem with Snyder and will welcome the chance to see various young Hollywood ladeez in their smalls come the DVD release, but really - this just looks like what you'd get if you took one of those meaningless sex and fantasy paintings from the covers of 1980's adventure game books and actually tried to convince everybody that there was a purpose and a story behind what is just obvious simplistic boy-nerd exploition. And we already have schoolgirl Manga and The Games Workshop for that.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Oy gevalt!

    by WavingFlagsInSpace

    If I want to be challenged I might watch a Lars von Trier/Gaspar Noe movie.<p>If I want to have my eyeballs fucked I might watch a Peter Greenaway movie.<p>If I want to enjoy a big screen epic I might watch a Sergio Leone/John Ford movie.<p>If I want to watch a character movie I might watch a Michael Curtiz/Darren Aronofsky movie.<p><p>If I want to snack on my popcorn, kiss goodbye to the ol'brain and relax in my cinema seat whilst supping on a soft drink and not resenting that I've paid £10.00 for a cinema ticket then I might watch a Christopher Nolan/ Zack Snyder movie.<p><p>It's only fucking Superman, a pop-culture icon who has dated BADLY. They've given him to one of the most exuberant, cost-effective and respectful of fanboy filmmakers. WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT?<p>Can't wait for Sucker Punch. Popcorn, zero brain and a few hours mindlessness away from the daily grind. Cheers, Zack.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't it be great...

    by Astronut

    ... if the Nolan/Snyder combo delivered an epic Superman film? The kind with epic battles like Supes fighting against a giant machine or hell, maybe DOOMSDAY in the SEQUEL --- with a backdrop of mile-high flames filling the sky? Superman gets his ass handed to him for once... that, I'd like to witness on film. Seeing this trailer for Sucker Punch makes me imagine that a Nolan/Snyder flick could be AWESOME. Anyone?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by Could_Harrys_Oblong_Penis_Penetrate_Another_Hermaphrodite

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    SPINO! SPINO! SPINO!<p>...oh yeah, brotha!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    I can watch Vanessa Hudgens do nothing

    by estacado1

    all day.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, noon CST


    by AsimovLives

    Yes, it would be great. Most certaqinly, it will not happen. As the next Batman's production looms, Nolan participation in superman will diminish,while Snyder's participation will became exclusive from late post-production foward. Basically, Superman will be fully Snyder's movie. _And that's the worry. Nolan can't be in charge of two gigantic movies at the same time, when he has to co-write, co-produce and direct the next Batman movie.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Unapologetically Derivative but looks good.

    by Stalkeye

    I'm not paying attention to the second reviewer especially when the assmunch leaked more spoilers but regardless of the Zac Attackers' opinions, this looks like a fun escapist actioner.RONINDICE's post was a bit harsh, but some of the TBers warranted his response.Don't judge a film entirely until you have seen it.Oh, and Snyder's DOTD remake easily eclipsed Romero's version. (can't say that about most remakes save for JC's The Thing.)Zac deserves props and praise for that alone.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Astronut

    I understand. I guess I am just doing some wishful thinking. And I am not exactly what you might call an optimist. But! I love me some good Superman. I want it bad. I loved TDK. I think a juiced-up Superman has been long overdue. I guess I keep hoping that somehow, some way, what with so many FAILS at the Superman movie thing — and even with a deadline looming/rush to get it out before Shuster Estate attacks — Nolan and Goyer and Snyder will be able to put it all together and do a good job and give ius what we have been dreaming of... a Superman film that can actually hold a candle to — no, make that SURPASS — the original Donner one.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by Astronut

    Regarding the "Nolan can't do everything at once" notion, doesn't JJ Abrams spread himself pretty thin also? He seems to get shit handled. Also — I know Batman 3 is his new baby but why in god's name would Chris Nolan put his name on the line as producer of this if he thought it was likely to be half-assed?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Skimm you meant "Bioshock"

    by Stalkeye

    If not Cameron (who is obsesssed with the deep.)then maybe snyder-man would be a suitable choice for a Bioshock movie.He's got the talent for helming IP related films.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Ditto, Astronut . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . and what about G.DelToro? Jesus, the guy is trying to break a record w/ all the shit he's involved with.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    And for the record...

    by Astronut

    I just went and bought me some "Superman Doomsday" Blu-Ray. 'Cause I am in a mood for kick-ass, epic battle Superman. We may never have been given a proper Superman battle on the big screen but hey, at least Bruce Timm showed us what it can look like.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    PG-13, Though?

    by LaserPants

    Hot chicks in cosplay fetish wear brandishing swords living in Brothel Hospital fighting 15 foot tall robot samurai and Nazi Zombies at Pg-13??? Why??? This is HARD-R B-GRADE EXPLOITATION ALL THE WAY. NC-17 would be even better. All of that would more than make up for the generalized crappiness or derivativeness. Whatta shame. Oh well.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Jar Jar Abrams is a master of taking credits from others' hard work.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Anothing shit i don't udnerstand about this movie...

    by AsimovLives

    ... if this movie is set in the 1960s, how in the bloody hell a girl from that decade would have fantasies about samurais, robots, ninjas and whorehouses? a 14 years old from the Era of Dorris Day? A time when what boys liked and what girls liked was so different and divisive you could make a literal wall in between? Who thinks up this kind of bullshit, anyway?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by Astronut

    I can see that being the case... right... Hey aren't you the ringleader for the "nu trek" hate patrol? I seem to remember reading a lot of your stuff on the TB boards. For a long time. Are you a purveyor of hate? As in, "I hate just about everything?" Like that asswad YourSTEPDADDY? I hope not. Don't you think though, and be reasonable, Jor-El, but don't you think you are rushing to judgement on this Superman project? We haven't even read a script yet. Maybe it DOES have heart... maybe it DOES have a compelling angle... not just mindless action. If so, then Snyder will be FORCED to follow it. Then we are halfway there, I say!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN is awesome

    by 3D-Man

    Not perfect. But AWESOME.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    1960's and weirdness

    by Astronut

    Maybe this takes place in a parallel universe. You know. "Something......................... parallel............ a................... parallel universe!!"

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The 60's

    by cushing1967

    The era of The Avengers (Steed and Cathy Gale, Emma Peel - not the comic), Barbarella, Modesty Blaise, The Girl from U.N.C.L.E, Pussy Galore, Batgirl being brought into Batman for the female audience, Agent 99 (the competent agent from Get Smart)...

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Keep Snyder away from my Bioshock.

    by Shermdawg

    The majority of something like that could be practical effects.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    His best movie was Dawn of the Dead

    by SithMenace

    Which is sad since that was only about a quarter as good as Romero's. Snyder basically blew his load on the first 10 minutes of DotD, and everything since has been downhill.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Who cares if it doesn't make any sense! Exploitation flix rarely do. The problem is that it looks like it *could* be awesome if it went FULL ON ID and ripped the lid off. Like hardcore exploitation. It doesn't need to make sense, it just needs to be unfettered by PG-13.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN Was An Entertaining, Flawed Experiment That Never Shoul

    by LaserPants

    The ONLY director who could have done it, and done it well, is dead -- KUBRICK. That said, Snyder did about as good as anyone else working today would've done. Bottom line: it never shoulda been made. It's a book meant to be read and re-read. The film is a cool visual companion piece, but without the backbone of the book, it's kinda flat.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    That Never Shoulda Been Made

    by LaserPants

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I fucking hated 300

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    and the last time I checked, I had testicles.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Did you watch it

    by P862010

    with or without your art house movie critic glasses?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Too true.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It's not my fault if you only remember about me is the shit i hate.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    THose shows you mentioned were seen BY BOYS. They were made FOR BOYS. Boys where the audience. The guirls were watching other more "girly" stuff, back in the day. It's only about 10 years to today that the tastes of both boys and girls have leveled out. But before, there was a divide, a huge divide. This SUCKER PUNCH movie about a girl having a dreamworld populated by samurais, nunjas, robots and she being a badass super-hero lady, that shit would never be the dream world of a girl in the 60s. Fucking never! It's clear this movie was thoughout by a boy, meaning, Snyder.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    All stories, evne surreal, need their own internal logic. That logic mightnot be imediatly aparent, but the filmmaker who makes it needs to have it pat. In SUCKER PUNCH, i suspect all we will get is just a bunch of "kewl" stuff thrown in for the sake of looking "kewl". I don't expect much more then that from Snyder. He's a clueless cat that thinks himself far smarter then he is.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    The only thing that could make me feel some curiosity...

    by AsimovLives

    .. in checking this movie would be Emily Browning. She was great in LIMONY SNICKET: A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS. But even a good pretty actress is not enough for me to go watch a movie, specially one directed by a hack i have little to no respect for.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    But SUCKER PUNCH *DOES* appear to have it's own internal logic. I don't understand why you think it doesn't. <br><br>In it's logic (which admittedly is a stretch in the real world), a girl growing up in the 60s vividly fantasizes about stuff a girl from the real world 1960s wouldn't be aware of. That might be a stretch, and I think it's valid that you don't care for that kind of anachronism, but it is internally consistent to the narrative. It appears to be a movie that revels in anachronisms, so, ergo... girl dressed in anime cosplay fetish wear fighting giant robot samurai even though an *actual* American girl growing up in the 60s would have no conception of such things.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, But I Agree That Snyder Is Kinda Dumb

    by LaserPants

    And I HATED 300, but he does have a good eye for action. He makes cool visuals without much depth. Which is why WATCHMEN is half of a good movie -- the visuals are outstanding, everything else is flat. Which is also why I think that SUPERMAN: MAN OF STEEL is going to ROCK -- Nolan brains guiding Snyder's visual sense tells me that awesomeness is likely. But, hey, who knows, it could be a trainwreck too... but NO WAY is it going to be worse than SINGERMAN REGURGITATES.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    The problem with films that take place in someone's head...

    by rbatty024

    is that there is no sense of urgency or danger. If it's not happening in the real world, then there are no real consequences. There are ways of getting around this (sort of), but it has plague a lot of stories. No one likes it when they're told that it's all a dream.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 5:29 p.m. CST

    anyone wh othinks

    by P862010

    watchmen had no substance is a fucking moron quit paying attention to the style and watch the substance staring you in the fucking fac.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Oh dear Asimov

    by cushing1967

    So women didn't fantasise about fantasy until the year 2000? That's a bizarre and incredibly sexist thing to say - Ursula K. Le Guin wrote her first Earthsea novel in 1968, Joanna Russ was writing science fiction in the 50's, Daphne Du Maurier was writing stories like the Birds and the story that became Don't Look Now in the 40's and 50's, Shirley Jackson wrote the Haunting of Hill House in 1959, Maly Shelley wrote Frankenstein in 1818. All of whom were women and all of whom at least fantasised enough about monsters and wizards and dragons and the like to write books and stories about them.<P>William Dozier stated in an interview that he added Batgirl to the show so that the large female audience had someone to identify with. Emma Peel and Cathy Gale sparked fashion trends in the UK and I believe France in the 60's as women were so impressed and taken by the characters that they wanted to emulate them. The James Bond books had a substantial enough female readership that Fleming wrote The Spy Who Loved Me with a female protagonist as the narrator. And let's not forget that Lewis Carroll wrote Alice in Wonderland because a girl he knew loved the stories so much.<P>What you're argument is basically doing is reinforcing stereotypes that may have had some credence in the 50's (when Doris Day was at her sheer height of popularity) but not in the 60's.<P>It was the 60's that groups like the Women Liberation Army etc started becoming more organised and perhaps more noticed and trends in entertainment recognised and began to mirror this.<P>Obviously not all women then liked science fiction or fantasy as not all men then liked Sport - but it is fair argue that you saying that NO WOMEN in the 60's would have the imagination to create fantasy worlds like the ones in Sucker Punch is insulting, naive and sexist to the point of being misogynist.<P>All of my examples are facts borne by social and cultural history - to argue against them succesfully you have to have empirical proof that no woman in the 60's liked science fiction or fantasy or genre.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    If I'm understanding him correctly, it's not women creating fantasy in their heads that Asimov has a problem with, it's the type of fantasy. <br><br>For example, the whole ingenue schoolgirl with a samurai sword battling giant robot monsters comes from manga / anime from the 80s and 90s; something *especially* Americans, male or female, were not all that aware of in the 1960s. Of course, Japanese manga and anime has a long history, but this specific kind of genre trope simply didn't exist yet. Of course, there was Astro Boy, Gigantor, Speed Racer, Kimba, and the like, but the whole "sexy schoolgirl brandishing sword" didn't really emerge until the late 70s, early to mid 80s in Japan and didn't hit the US until the 90s. So, on that, I think his point is valid -- he doesn't like anachronisms -- but is also kind of missing the point of the movie which seems to turn on imaginative anachronisms.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    1) Learn how to spell.<br><br>2) Nobody said the source material of WATCHMEN had no substance. It's one of the greatest comic books ever written. But Snyder's handling of it was flat, without nuance, and far too literal. It's like he just used the book as a storyboard but wasn't able to get to the weird psychological stuff bubbling underneath. I don't think he really understood the text of the book, but did a great job of translating the images to the screen.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Most worried about

    by smatt584

    The statements that the script for Superman is still very rough. I think we can all agree that Snyder should not have a hand in the writing of this, regardless of how talented he is as a director?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by cushing1967

    That may well be what he's finding fault with - but we know so little about the film that it may be the unspecified framing device (possibly the 60's) may well be the fantasy - so at this point we have no idea what is anachronism or not.<P>I am not arguing against his taste or concerns it's his sweeping statements that I am addressing really... <BR><BR> "THose shows you mentioned were seen BY BOYS. They were made FOR BOYS. Boys where the audience. The guirls were watching other more "girly" stuff, back in the day. It's only about 10 years to today that the tastes of both boys and girls have leveled out. But before, there was a divide, a huge divide."<BR><BR> When in fact there wasn't. Maybe the Magna style specifics wouldn't be a cultural identifier with the main character - but Samurai films had been seen in the West, Giant Robot Films had been seen in the West - we know nothing about this character and what her influences are. <P>I'm not arguing against opinion - I'm arguing against the massive generalisations that he used.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Definitely agree. The script has to be smart, thoughtful, and awesome. Snyder can't do that, but Nolan can make that happen. Then, Snyder can make the script look pretty on the screen. I hope.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Oh, I getcha, I didn't see that quote. <br><br>Asimov, shame on you! There have ALWAYS been girls into adventure and fantasy stories. I'd agree it's *mostly* the region of boys, but girls have always liked that stuff too. I would think that a girl capable of shooting her dad (which apparently happens in this movie), would probably also be a girl fond of Annie Oakley and Nancy Drew adventures, as well as other things.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    In fairness to Snyder

    by Rob0729

    Watchmen was deemed unfilmable. If it didn't live up to people's expectations, he was facing a near impossible task to begin with. I didn't feel it lived up to the graphic novel, but even in the extended cut there wasn't enough time to explore the depth of the novel and it would be boring as hell for people to sit around and talk as much as they do in the graphic novel in film form. Personally, I thought it was far better than it could have been.<br><br> Snyder isn't the best director out there, but he can do mindless popcorn, eye candy movies far better than hacks like Michael Bay (who only do a decent movie when he has the actors to rise above the material like he did in The Rock).

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    I agree, Synder was on a hiding to nothing with Watchmen

    by savagedave

    If someone had asked you before its release, was its main failing likely to be being too close to the source material, I doubt many people would have said yes.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Could You Imagine Snyder On Transformers?

    by LaserPants

    I think THAT woulda been an Epic Win. Like if he was as slavish to the source material on Transformers? You know, those original cartoons / comics / toy commercials, but with today's technology? That woulda been an EPIC WIN. I think Snyder is the thinking man's Michael Bay -- like he's still retarded, but he can shoot a cool action scene with cool visuals that's visceral and stylish, though adolescent. Bay just vomits. Vomits shrill, incoherent garbage. At least Snyder's B movies are pleasing to the eye.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    And I Think Snyder Digs Source Material

    by LaserPants

    WATCHMEN went over his head on anything more than a literal level, but something like olde skool G1 Transformers? I bet he knows that shit back to back, up and down, side to side, and would've made a BAD ASS Transformers movie. Oh well.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Looks stolen from 'Brazil'

    by Teddy Artery

    Snyder's been soaking in Terry Gilliam, apparently.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by smatt584

    I think you should personally rewrite history

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Someone I know in the industry...

    by Grinning White Skull

    Someone I know in the industry read the SP script (for the company he works for) and said it was the most awful thing he has ever been "forced" to read. There was no story. Just scenes built around what must be Synder's fetishes. I think Synder can direct well with the right script but agree with BLANK that I hope Nolan keeps a tight leash on him and has a terrific script for the SUPERMAN film.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Looks great! Loved Watchmen and 300 too!

    by Ivan_Mtl

    Just based on the visuals alone, I am really looking forward to seeing this movie. I thought Zack Snyder did a really admirable job on both 300 and Watchmen, so I am definitely looking forward to his take on Superman. Even Frank Miller said that Zack Snyder can direct a Dark Knight movie anytime!

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    No mention of nudity?

    by gun_will_travel

    WTF. A sexualized fantasy world filled with hot young actresses and no mention of nudity. Count me out.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Watchmen - Ending Changed

    by bufordtannen

    Snyder changed the ending from the book, just to remind you of that. The ending in the book is very powerful, very cynical, very dramatic. What Snyder did with it wasn't by any means awful but it probably was in his mind an 'update'... an unnecessary one. Snyder probably means well, works very hard, but he just doesn't have the stones or smarts to make a really good film. I never bought the idea that Watchmen was unfilmable, it just required a Ridley Scott not an MTV guy.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Superman - irrelevant??

    by bufordtannen

    James Bond was irrelevant but... give him amnesia and deep regret, change his name slightly and you have... Jason Bourne. The only reason Superman is irrelevant is because the studios/directors/writers/whoever don't have the guts to gamble a little. Put him in the real world where religious people live in fear of 'god', where all those who achieve great power exploit others and abuse that power and you have something quite interesting... maybe... A great writer would get it right.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 7:04 a.m. CST

    300 Rocked

    by Captain RawBeard

    a film about Spartans kicking ass, it was great... all you haters complaining it wasn't historically accurate, I am glad it wasn't... otherwise the film would have been filled with naked men, and man love. <br> <br>

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:38 a.m. CST

    What was the track

    by scrote

    used in the trailer?

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Am I allowed to lust for Emily Browning?

    by HoboCode

    That's the little Lemony Snicket girl for God's sake. Who here has a cilice?