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Why Snyder's On SUPERMAN!! And Has A Plot Point Been Revealed??

Merrick here...
Paul over at JoBlo caught a fascinating little tidbit in THIS Vulture piece about political machinations leading to Zack Snyder's selection as director of the new SUPERMAN film. Vulture says that Darren Aronofsky, who now looks to be closing in on WOLVERINE 2, was initially far more interested in SUPERMAN than Fox's upcoming X-MEN ORIGINS movie. In their evaluation of the matter, there's a brief descriptor offering what may be our first hint at the nature of the new SUPES picture...
Until last weekend, though, Aronofsky was far more interested in directing WB's original take on Superman — in which Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman —
The same Vulture assessment goes on to indicate that (as we knew before from THESE REPORTS) Warners is under the gun to get a SUPERMAN movie made before they (potentially) get blasted by the estates of Superman's creators. One significant reason Snyder was hired is because The Powers That Be felt he could move faster than Aronofsky when getting David Goyer's SUPERMAN's script ready to shoot (Goyer's script was evidently rushed to completion and remains a bit unrefined at the moment). Snyder. I don't hate the choice - I'm sure the new SUPERMAN movie will look fantastic. My big issue with Snyder is a pervasive dullness that runs through his work. Lots of visual flair and tremendous sense of beauty and design, but it all feels energetically flat and uninvolving to me. Which makes me concerned that this new SUPES film might end up feeling a little closer in vibe to Bryan Singer's version than some of us would like.
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  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by iwontwin


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by iwontwin

    or LOBO.....whatever...stop making superman boring

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Could be worse

    by BookhouseBoy

    At least Ratners not involved

  • My big issue with Snyder is a pervasive dullness that runs through his work. Lost of visual flare and tremendous sense of beauty and design, but it all feels energetically flat and uninvolving to me." <br> Can't the same be said of Singer's Superman? Seems like we're headed toward the exact same conclusion.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Not close to Singer's version.

    by Stalkeye

    I'm confident that it will surpass 'Returns in every way.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    So PETER Jackson is directing the Hobbit

    by fcukdeath

    Have I missed it here?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by batjac

    Smallville to the big screen...He's ready

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by superhero

    That is all...Zack Snyder=Waaaaayyyy overrated. I weep for Superman's cinematic future!!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a great idea

    by John_McClanes_Vest

    And although Synder is mostly style over substance, most would agree he's still got it. I wonder where and if Gerrard Butler will fit into this?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by Unlabled

    Test <br> <br> Test

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Snyder's just Directing

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Goyers script might keep it aground to something we've all been waiting for in a supes film. One thing tho, with a Zod/Supes fight, it better be in league with (or better than) the Neo/Smith fight from matrix Revolutions.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Superman will still be better than Wolverine 2. Count on it.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Fucking X-Men soap opera bullshit series.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by lochkray

    Everyone I've heard that is involved with this has potential. But every person has also dropped the ball in the past (I'm looking directly at Watchmen and Blade 3 - though the former was in no way the disaster that was the latter). Anyway, I'm certainly more excited about Superman than I am about Wolverine 2 - so the laws of hyped-up-expectations will probably mean I'll love Wolverine and hate Supes. Any news on who will be the man in blue? I still vote for Brandon Routh. He wasn't the problem in the last one.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky has an interseting take.

    by Stalkeye

    However, how quick would the pacing of the film be with all this globetrotting?He's probably more suited for Wolverine than Supes IMO.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    No more origins stories please---

    by Weapon M

    This is what I was talking about in the other post... Stop recycling the same nonsense with a different twist.. It's tiring. New stuff.. He needs to have something relatable to him, there needs to be more interesting villains like Braniac or any villain it dont matter! I know Darkseid is better suited for a Justice League movie, but have maybe Doomsday or some other villain. Two villains would hurt? If you have to have General Zod (yawn), then also have some other villain as well (NOT LUTHOR). I mean Luthor can be in the movie but he cant be the main villain. It's tiring. Please. Something new. No more remakes.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Bullet dodged. That would have been a DISASTER. And not just because it would be pretentious, overwrought, TREMENDOUSLY silly, and obvious in his hacktastic hands. Snyder might be kinda dumb, but he's the cool, fun, exciting kinda dumb who knows how to make an exciting movie. (And with Nolan "godfathering" it, I predict epic win.) Arronofsky is JUST as dumb as Snyder, arguably EVEN DUMBER, but he's operating under the delusion that he's a genius.<br><br>Again, THANK F****** GOD IT'S NO ARONOFSKY.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    My thoughts exactly, ToughGuyRizzov . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . and don't see how said fight won't be EPIC.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Oh dear.

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I mentioned this in the other talkback. If it's true then this could be the death knell for the franchise. If the script really is poor, then we are doomed with Snyder at the helm. It's depressing to know that we could have gotten one of the best directors around (Aronofsky), but have instead ended up with a guy who makes 2 hour music videos. <p> If this is true then it surprises me as to why Nolan would attach his name to a seemingly-doomed project.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Ever so different, that LaserPants . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . stop it w/ your contraversial opinions! So shocking . . .

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    That's good news

    by Bass Ackwards

    So basically they have a crummy to average script (which is about Goyer's wheelhouse), and they felt like of their list of potentials, Snyder would be the least picky about letting that hold up the film. Sounds great can't wait!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Superman Begins...

    by JustUsNerdsHere

    ...does not need to happen. If there's one origin story we ALL know, it's Superman's. Superman is the one character that needs no introduction and needs to move on to chapter 2. Also, please God...or Satan or Odin or the Celestials, whomever...let someone else revise Goyer's script. Please let Nolan be hands on enough to not let Goyer's scripting go unsupervised!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Re: Superman Retiring

    by lochkray

    Modern cinematic obsession for bleakness is not a motive for discarding the optimism and purity of a character like Superman. Sometimes, when you're surrounded by alcoholic Iron Men, brooding Batmen, foul-mouthed 12 year old Hit Girls, and emotionally conflicted Watchmen, that's the moment you need a hero like Superman all the more.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    So they're not, in fact DOING "Superman"...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ... they're doing "Smallville: The Movie" basically. Lame. It will suck because it's only being done for licensing reasons: Rush it through before those crazy Siegels kill the franchise and at least we'll make some money on toys while we still can."

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Superman: The Battle for OTISBERG!!!!!!!!!!

    by wackybantha

    It's what the fans want!!!! MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah, this sounds like a train wreck.

    by Orbots Commander

    Ah, well, after this new Superman flick comes out and is also pretty awful, we'll have to wait another decade or so for yet another reboot. <p> (Shrugs) Whatta-ya-gonna-do, right?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    This Needs to be a Direct Sequel to...

    by JackBauer@CTU


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Another origin story?

    by CuervoJones

    Come on, we have the first Superman movie, Smallville, Superboy and whatnot. Give us APOKOLIPS and fun.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    yup, craptacular Snyder

    by oisin5199

    I just don't seem him being able to pull this off with any subtlety or depth. So basically, they're saying Snyder would be the studio's bitch and Aronofsky would have had too much of a 'vision.' Typical Hollywood bullshit.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Ha. Good shit.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Virginia_Woolf

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    it's a "plot point"...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Who knows how much of a role this element is actually going to play? It might all be in act 1, like the Ra's Al Ghul training stuff from BATMAN BEGINS...and then we'll get to the really good shit, including an awesome, epic action set piece in act 3. Remember, Nolan.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Birthright storyline?

    by jerknowitzki

    Traveling the world as a journalist trying to decide if he should become Superman... Sounds a lot like the story used in Mark Waid's "Superman - Birthright". It's a great story, and I don't another origin as long as it's done well. It would fit in well with Nolan's theme of motivation for donning the cape.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Brandon Routh

    by CuervoJones

    He was a good Superman. The problem with Superman Returns was the script, not the actor or the director.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I don't find Snyder's work flat at all

    by jimmy_009

    By all means it SHOULD be flat since he's really into style and slow-mo shots and looking "cool", but 300 was still involving, as was Watchmen. I even thought Owls was more engaging than expected. I think he's a great choice for Superman and the perfect antidote for the dull and lifeless Superman we just saw.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    If that's the actual plot, I pass...

    by Wes_Reviews_

    Seriously? A Superman movie where he's not Superman for most of the running time? Did they learn nothing from Superman III? FAIL.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST


    by SilentP


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    and the article says the script is a mess

    by oisin5199

    It's a rush job and they didn't want someone who would take too much time getting it right, because of the rights issues with the Siegel/Shuster estates. Now there's a reason to make a movie. What a recipe for disaster. You wouldn't actually want someone to get it right. You want the guy who can rush it and not worry about whether it actually works. Nice.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I think you meant "LOTS of visual flare..."

    by 3D-Man

    ...right? Just checking.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    And thanx Marmot.

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Hey, it is WB right, they can get that shit done, so fuck it. Just do it already. <br><br> While Luthor is classic, Superman 2 is considered gold. Why? Zod. <br><br> How many geek-tastic Zod references are there nowadays? Not too many Luthor phrases tho. <br><br> Look, people know Superman. Lets see a smart, possibly darker film with a villian like or actually if reports are true, Zod; someone who can have a Super-tastic epic fight battle with other smart-cool Superman/Metropolis shit going on. <br><br> Throw in a Gotham/Batman reference, even better. How would this not make money? Why am I just a bartender and not making millions in Hollywood pitching ideas like this?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    So It's "Superman Begins"

    by Acquanetta

    What a surprise. I think the first red flag was when Snyder mentioned something about how Goyer's idea attempts to make the character more "modern". So now we know his script was also rushed and features Zod. Sigh.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Maybe Zod is what makes him come out...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ..and he doesn't even have a choice. Or he chooses not to help, but then realizes he has a moral obligation to do so as a citizen of the world when Zod attacks.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Rushed script + Studio Money/Rights grab + Snyder

    by melchior42

    2.5 hours of Supes & Zod slow motion bulging crotch shots with an occasional Lois appearance so Supes can say, "Yep. No gay stuff here"

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by sweeneydave

    I agree. Deschanel as Lois Lane would be beyond inspired. I want it.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Zooey Deschanel...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...Finally saw (500) Days of Hipsters they other day. Zooey's finally passed the dividing line between "unusual but hot" and "weird-looking". She'd make as shitty as Lois Lane as that chick from the surfer girl movie did. They need to find someone who's beautiful, but real, and who has determination and spunk. Sadly, Hollywood doesn't make actresses like that anymore.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Superman Is my favorite super hero

    by TheNipplesofGodReturns

    But "a Rushed unrefined Script" looks like my hopes for a epic supes movie just got pissed on with kryptinite piss

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    So, in a word

    by tomimt

    New Superman will be pile of shit in a pretty parcel.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    A Superman film should be a no-brainer at this point

    by Godpiece

    No origin story is needed. The characters are classic, their histories well known; you'd have to be born yesterday to not know Superman. A Superman story should start in the middle, the people of Metropolis and people of Superman's Earth should be very aware and familiar with Superman. No Lex as the main baddie, make Lex a part of that universe, maybe he's in jail or something, or on the sidelines, but he's been done before in previous films so he's not needed in anything more than a cameo or a passing reference. Give Superman a super-powered baddie to fight. Giant robots or Darkseid or Doomsday. Whatever the case, Superman should have his ass kicked in this film, only so that he can rise above his foes and muster up a bigger ass kicking than his enemies'. Feats of strength like saving an airplane are great but something that fights back is more threatening and exciting. No quirky takes or reinventions of Superman mythos, sorry Arononofsky, Superman should be in fully fledged Superman mode from the start, everyone's living on Superman's earth should know about Superman. No Superman paternity tests. Nothing like JJ Abrams reinvention script from years back. Have a straight forward, keep it simple, classic Superman, but make it thrilling by having villains that kick major fucking ass.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Go Zooey!!!!!!!!!

    by wackybantha


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Superman: Legacy

    by CuervoJones

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Singer has no visual flair whatsoever...

    by Mr. Profit

    Dont see how Snyder compares to him when he makes better looking movies at a cheaper cost. X2 cost 135 million. Watchmen Cost 130. Which looked more expensive? Which created its own realistic world? X2 looked like a fucking TV movie. And the Jean Grey fire effects were like the special effects in an episode of Xena.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by FlyingToupee

    "The script by David Goyer was rushed, is still a bit of a mess, and that Warner Bros. needs someone who won't spend months or even years trying to get it just right" This doesn't sound promising. If WB screws up this franchise again, then Superman is finished with the general public. Perhaps that's preferable to WB then the Siegel/Shuster estate getting control of the character back...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I have a bad feeling about this.

    by jasper Stillwell

    Pretty astute observation about Snyder. Dull and actually, despite all the whizz-bang set peices, actually quite lifeless as a director. Aaronofsky would have been interesting but perhaps mismatched. If The Nolans are on board steering the script through pre-production this might be OK in the end but tonally I have to say Zemeckis seemed the perfect fit for this and would have been able to handle the character beats in a way that Snyder could never get near.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    FUCK Zooey Deschanel & Olivia Munn

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    I cannot stand those 2 bitches. Gooey plays the SAME type of girl in each film. Too cool/quirky/snarky to be loved/wanted/laid. <br><br> Damn...... that kinda might be true to Lois (except for her wanting to bang Supes) , but I want to punch the OLD outta her face. (Munn too)

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by CuervoJones

    Yep, Watchmen looked like the most expensive screensaver ever, but X2 was a very entertaining movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    It's all about the script

    by ufoclub1977

    Any of these directors even Singer, would make decent movies with pop legs if they had a great well thought out and structured script. It has to be good enough to be recounted virtually by some excited kid who sees it. It has to have great characters who each have an arc of narrative and emotion themselves. It has to feel populated with life (where Nolan fails for me).

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    It's a little bitty place!

    by FlyingToupee

    Otis needs to be in this film. That's why Singer's film tanked. No Otis!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Teschmacher Peaks

    by FlyingToupee

    Needs to be a location Clark visits while soul searching. He'll find his purpose in life while there.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Doesn't need to establish Superman again...

    by workshed forget the origin story. Nothing too heavy either. Supes ain't Batman.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    It's funny how many people on here...

    by ufoclub1977

    attribute the effects or design to the director. The illusion that every director is an auteur is huge! And it's simply not true on some of these mammoth projects.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    X2 cost $110 million?

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Singer's not as stylish as Snyder, but at least the guy can direct actors and tell a story. <p> The world of Watchmen felt artificial to me; Snyder's films, while having some superficial beauty, are... synthetic. They are quite dull, there's nobody living there apart from the few main characters. There was no gravitas to it, and it didn't help that ordinary human beings were punching chunks out of walls (!) and doing back flips all over the place. <p> Yeah, Watchmen is prettier, but which film had engaging characters? Which film had some real emotion and chemistry between its characters?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Did they suck as hard as they do on tv/film?

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Olivias hot dog gimmick = job. no talent, but she can definitely use her jaw

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Snyder. Sigh.

    by BooBoosDaddy

    The biggest problem I had with "Watchmen" was the god awful flat acting. Yes, I understand the love letter to the creators and fans. But, Mr. Snyder, you forgot to direct the actors towards the gravitas needed. My fear is that this movie will look great, but will be soulless.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    So Snyder was hired because supposedly...

    by AsimovLives

    ... he can rush production. Instead, of, like, he being the right man for the job. Yeah, it figures. I should had suspect as much. So, basially, what this me3ans is tha,t no matter what, the new Superman movie will be HALF-ARSED. Great! Just great. I bet the producers are already thinking "just do the job fast and quick, the really good stuff we will leave for the sequel". Great!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Summer 2012

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Please no instrospective bullshit!

    by hank henshaw

    If there is a superhero that knows his place and role in the DCUniverse and the world, that is Superman. Hack writers in comics have been doing "introspective" stories, for most of this last decade, where Superman doubts his every move. Crap. Besides Superman premiered in "ACTION Comics" not "Chick-flick Comics" (Superman Returns) or "Psychoanalysis Comics"... but it also doesn't have to be a mindless Bay-like movie. We already have Batman movies where Batman doesn't think like a detective and relies too much on his gadgets. This Superman project sounds as bad as Superman Returns, but for different reasons.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Origins Origins Origins are nothing but Oranges

    by stryfe1986

    Some are sweet some are sour. So this is basically the 9th Season of Smallville turned into a Feature Film? Sounds lame. Why do we have to have Origins every single time? Why? This is why " The Incredible Hulk " with Norton was one of the best comic to film adaptions we have seen, It had all the eye candy for those non fans, Character Moves such as "Hulk Smash" for the fans, geeks, nerds, and fucking Tony Stark. anyone remember that 100 or 200 page Death of Superman comic? That is what we need, Supes already being established as the "Sign of Hope" with maybe Bizarro or Metallo dicking around, once dealt with either of these would come the Epic fight that kills our hero. End

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Few people can make action as boring as Snyder does.

    by rbatty024

    I agree mostly with Merrick's assessment. Despite all of the special effects at Snyder's disposal, he still manages to make action scenes appear dull. He's kind of like the anti-action director. He sucks all the life out of his set pieces.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky Would have Made a Better Film

    by Crow3711

    But I don't think Snyders will be bad. Very different. I think, personally, superman needs a very introspective and character driven story, which is what we would have gotten from Aronofsky, but if anyone is going to make an action sequence with shoes exciting, it's Snyder. I don't find superman very interesting as a action hero (nothing can hurt him, there's no point) but if anyone can make my balls shrivel up from superman awesomeness it's probably Snyder. If he can adjust his sensibilities and deliver some great moments and something heartfelt, it could be a good flick. I think the bigger problem is Aronofsky doing this wolverine shit. Talk about a waste of his time and talent. The fountain this will not be. I'm sure it'll be better than the first (honestly, how could it be worse) but still, if he's not gonna do superman, I'd rather he make another auteur piece, totally his own. He doesn't need to "boost" his career or standing in Hollywood by doing a superhero movie. It's kind of a shame. Then again, he's yet to make a film that didn't blow my mind, so ill probably end up eating my words and loving wolvie 2 unconditionally. At least I hope so. Wolvie is a more interesting character than superman after all. Hopefully he finds a story worth telling

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Thank god it's bnot that MEMENTO guy directing Batman, hem? And INSOMNIA was so boring and dull, thank god that director of that borefeast didn't directed Batman, can you believe it, they actually though him to make Batman? He should stick to quirk low budget indie movies, not with comic book mvies of beloved comic characters. Uff, bullet dodged.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by HelveticaConspiracy

    whatever, merrick. now you've just gone off the deep end. snyder is one of the most exciting directors working today (his 'legend of the gaurdians' is a classic animation film the likes of which we haven't seen since the glorious 'dark crystal' and 'secret of nihm' and 'neverending story' days). and, with nolan's steady hand guiding the ropes- you're a sucker to think this doesn't have unlimited potential. between this and you're ludicrous 'stallone should direct 'die hard 5' because of 'expendables' digression', i'm wondering if you don't have movie fatigue...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Supes Baggage

    by Demps

    As much as I agree with the idea that a Superman movie should be a no brainer because of the iconic nature of the character, it's probably that iconography that makes it hard to pull the whole thing off. No one (director or actor) can really take ownership of a Superman movie because we all feel a sense of ownership to the character (especially the Christopher Reeves incarnation). It's almost that he is too popular to give life to because it's impossible to meet expectations. That said, I think the best way to go about making another Superman movie would be to set it in an alternate reality where the Cold War is still going strong in the current day because that version of reality gives the character a much more comfortable home to exist in. Either that or start in a reality where Superman has practically achieved world peace except for a terrorist uprising here and there and then introduce Zod, who doesn't fear Superman and thus doesn't play by his rules. That could be fun.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    The Problem: There are 2 Superman's

    by wilsonfisk89

    1. The one us geeks love, who has an expansive rouges gallery and lots of depth and history. His universe is vast. 2. The American icon, who sells billions of dollars of merchandise, and was represented by Chris Reeves on screen. His rogues consist of Luthor and Zod, and he's never travelled the universe. ALL STAR SUPERMAN is the best case scenario, bridging these two. Synder need only use it as his storyboards and he'd craft the perfect film.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I agree with rbatty024

    by AsimovLives

    There's nothing particulary exciting, interesting, involving or original in snyder's presentation of action in his movies. Everything all feels to distanced and unreal. Even more eunreal then what a comic book movie would justify. And people ciomplain about TDK's action scenes! I rather have any one of those then the entire output of Snyder. Snyder's filmaking bores and alienates me to no end.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Brandon Routh

    by Mister Grieves

    Was ok as Superman, but he was pure shit as Clark Kent. That's the miracle Christopher Reeve pulled off- he made watching Clark Kent as much, if not more interesting than watching Superman.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Guys be careful on Superman

    by hallmitchell

    He hasn't been in anything good since 1982. THat's a long time!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    The problem with you geeks is that...

    by AsimovLives

    ... you are so over-familair with Superman, you automatically assume the rest of the eorld shares your knowledge. Guess what: they don't! not even 10% of what you know of Superman. Not even 5%. Maybe even as low as 1%. Your mantra about "No origin story" only makes sense to you but nobody else. You geeks are seeing the subject in a very tunnel-vision way, making the crass mistake that the whole world is like you. It isn't. Not by a long mile.<br><br>And origin stories are luike voice-overs, some are good and some aren't. There's no absolutes.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Mister Grieves

    by AsimovLives

    "but he (Brandon Routh) was pure shit as Clark Kent"<br><br>That's quite an exageration.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Zooey deschanel.

    by emeraldboy

    is wonder woman!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I never said which film WAS better. I said which one looked bett

    by Mr. Profit

    Watchmen. So for the writer of this article to say Snyder's film will look like a Singer film confuses me as they are so far apart visually. One has flair, the other doesn't. And Singer gets a lot of love for X2. But the XMen were like Power Rangers. In a jam they couldn't do shit without Wolverine aka "Tommy". You have bad ass mutants and they need Wolverine to lead them out of a crumbling dam? No... <P>And then you have Wolverine have long drawn out fights with women. But with Sabretooth, it was quick... No thanks.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman "<p> Sounds like the famous 'Poochie' episode of Itchy & Scratchy where they keep seeing a sign saying Fireworks Factory... but never actually get there.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I bet they call it Superman Begins

    by rev_skarekroe

    Just to cash in on Batman's success.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Superman Origins: Otis

    by Cosmo Nautilus

    *nods and heads for the window.*

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Someone suggested Lizzy Caplan for Lois in another talkback

    by MattmanReturns

    Brilliant suggestion.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Lizzy Caplan

    by eric haislar

    Wow thats is really great idea!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I'll take that bet, rev_skarekroe...

    by Grasscutter

    because "they" would have to be retarded to do that.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    I don't hate him. To me his best film is "Dawn of the Dead". "300" was cool but I always compared that movie to "Gladiator" and "Gladiator" owns it. "Watchmen" or as I call it, 2.5 hours of stiff acting and huge blue cock, was a film I did not like. But I had no attachment to the source material. I only went because all you were so exicted about it. But in him being so faithful (up until the end) there were some good scenes in that film. And it looked great. The opening fight was well choreographed and was filmed so that you can understand what was going on. The title sequence was good. The jail break out scene was good. The movie had good things in it, that if applied to more accessible mainstream material would make for a good movie. <p>But in towing the line to please the die hard fans and the studio, he made an adaptation that was too literal. <P>Still doesn't make him a bad filmmaker. And he pays attention to detail while trying to appeal to the teenager who wants to see holy shit moments in action movies. <p>I'm not mad at him for that.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Lizzy Caplan

    by Mr. Profit

    Is too East Village to play Lois. We need a girl who looks more Upper East Side but knows how to party on Friday below 14th... Rachel McAdams.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST

    This reminds me of the time

    by papabendi

    of the time I was supposed to be Jimmy Connors bagman when he was supposed to play an exhibition match against Horton Market from aha, or whatever the fuck he's called. Jimmy had developed a hatred of Horton due to the fact that he claimed that Horton stole 'The Sun Always Shines On TV' from him during a long yet fruitless songwriting partnership. Horton for his part was Swedish and Religious and had convinced the members of Echo and The Bunnymen and Was Not Was that Jimmy Connors was mad and after their gold. The law states that at least one member from at least three quasi-seminal 80's pop acts are needed to sign commital papers And thats the story of how the collective members of aha, Echo and the Bunnymen, and Was Not Was worked to have Jimmy Connors commited.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST

    D. Vader would never...

    by billyhitchcock1

    ...reveal a plot point!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit, is that New York talk?

    by MattmanReturns

    I live in SoCal... (Lizzy lives out here too).

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    So it's walkin superman

    by NippleEffect

    or Forest SuperGump

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    EMILY Deschanel for Lois Lane

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST

    There's no need to dwell on an origin story!!!

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    Plus, Snyder could so something similar like the intro of Watchman, or something similar to the flashbacks in the intro of The Incredible Hulk (the movie, not the TV show).

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Watchmen's Title Sequence

    by wilsonfisk89

    Was some of the greatest adaptation of superhero mythos ever put to film. This guy gets it. It's gonna be all about the script.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Tom Welling as Clark Kent on the big screen

    by SmokingRobot

    I WANT THIS. Even more than I want my 'Magnus Robot Fighter' movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns


    Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good. But I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I guess that marked the moment where Kevin Spacey's destiny lay in movies that were more about action than comedy, for much of the next decade. <P> I was so hopeful when The Men Who Stare At Goats came out that it heralded the return of both Spacey and Clooney as genuinely comedic guys. But it was a false dawn for both.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    I think we need another Supes comedy like Superman 3

    by SkitZo

    Actually that one was a turd, but it had some cool elements to it. Like when Evil Supes had to fight Clark Kent.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by Autodidact

    Can we get a story that's not about the beginning or end of something please?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky would have been a nightmare.

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    The guy that directed Requiem for a Dream? I like that movie, as well as π (Pi), but his stuff is uber-intellectual. Superman is not a thinking man's superhero.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    That synopsis does not sound good

    by Wormie1

    We need an epic Superman movie with Clark already established as Supes. After Superman: The Movie, the lame Superboy TV show, the Lois & Clark pilot, the 90s animated series premier, and a whole decade's worth of Smallville, we do not need another origin story. It's ludicrous to say the general public does not know Superman's origin.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by SmokingRobot

    You make a good point.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by billandted

    Good news? that sounds like the start of Birthright.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Watchmen's Title Sequence

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    wasn't actually directed by Snyder... It is great though, up until a guy blows himself and everybody up!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    origin story

    by nightmute

    I wouldn't mind an origin story for Supes. They should reboot with a classical story-telling approach. But the familiarity is a problem. Superman's strength is that everyone knows the character, but that's also a weakness. How do you make it fresh without compromising the myth?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by rodneyfaile

    I can have faith in just aobut any director or set of actors, but I am just not sure I can imagine a Superman movie without that JOHN WILLIAMS tune. It just screams Superman! The same as Star Wars and Indiana Jones are tied to their respective John Williams compositions. I wonder if they will use it?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    If that's the plot it will SUCK!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Welling as Supes is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    How many times does it need to be said. Neither Nolan, nor Snyder, will want to bring the Smallville universe onto the big screen. Casting Welling would do that, which they don't want. They're more likely to stick with Routh, which has basically been thrown under the bus already by Snyder.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Why Superman w/ Snyder won't work


    You really have to be a fan of the comics. Oh what the hell, this movie will just plain stink! <P> The costume will look horrible, too many liberties will be taken with the characters and the plot will lurch forward badly. <P> Here's how it will probably go down: It will basically start out with a few minutes in one place, a few minutes in another, a few more elsewhere, etc. You get the idea, and then all these separate incidents gradually and slowly lead to one single plot. MST3K's Pod People was easier to follow! <P> Maybe a few good things about this: The culture shock he has returning home after too many years might be done fairly well, and the Krypton description reminds me of a cross between Freddie Kruger and Jason Voorhees. This movie could have been so much better set entirely in an earlier era with the opening scene of Hitler screaming at his generals, "I could make that bellboy a better leader than any of you !" That is from the mythos of the comic book. <P> After the opening credits, we should see the process of Clark Kent becoming the hero who goes on to fight Zod, who through most of the movie should be spoken of and referred to, but not seen. This movie will need that sort of impact, the indication of the sort of evil the Nazis represented, but as it is, it sounds like one big car wreck.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy for General Zod!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Are you f***ing kidding me?!?

    by r_number6

    A script that is "rushed, is still a bit of a mess, and Warner Bros. needs someone who won't spend months or even years trying to get it just right?" Clark Kent trying to decide if he should even become Superman? Really? REALLY?!? After ten fucking years of "Clark Kent - the Series," they're going to do "Clark Kent - the Movie?" One thing I thought everyone agreed on was that the main problem with Superman Returns was that it needed more action. Singer himself said that that next movie should be the Superman "Wrath of Khan." Now THIS is what they've come up with? This would be fine for the Smallville series finale, but this needs to be a SUPERMAN MOVIE! I know they're under the gun to get a movie underway to keep the character rights, but do they somehow not realize that if they screw this movie up that it will bomb and thus ruin any chance of a proper Superman movie ever getting made? I was actually on board with a Snyder/Nolan-helmed movie, but after hearing this, it sounds like this is going to be a trainwreck of epic proportions.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    more superman, less stupid clark kent


    god i have always hated clark kent.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    i hate the clark kent character


    matter of fact

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Allison Brie...

    by BlackBriar

    Would be another good choice for Lois Lane. Jim Caviezel would be great for Clark Kent.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST

    but will it be in 3-D

    by ORIONgods

    thts all the matters

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    Ha, yeah... If Lizzy lived in New York, she would fit right in the East Vill with her style. I love the girl. Her arc on "True Blood" pissed me off when she died. But I don't think she is right for Lois. But maybe because to me she will always be "Janice Ian". <P>What part of SoCal by the way? I may be making a move fron NYC to San Diego... I'm sure it would be a HUGE adjustment to what I am used to here.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by ORIONgods

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by SkitZo

    Hell of a better idea than Margot Kidder.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    jousha jackson "peter from fringe" for superman

    by ORIONgods

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Theres' two clark Kent,s the real one and the goofy reporter that masquarades the real clark kent who masquarades Superman. Kent the goofy reporter is not the real clark kent, he's kent playing goofy for pretends.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    or maybe in the comics kent as the goofy reporter...

    by AsimovLives

    ... wasn't as goofy as in the Donner movies... or goofy at all.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    "Pacey Witter" aka "Peter From Fringe"

    by Mr. Profit

    Is 6'2, but looks short on TV. I'm sure they are going to go for someone taller like Joe Manganiello, Armie Hammer, or Jared Padalecki.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    This is what it say's on IMDB.

    by De_Nomolos

    Super powered Clark Kent has travelled the world for years as a journalist trying to find his place in the world. Arriving in Metropolis, he realises his place and potential as the world's greatest hero: Superman. An immediate hero, he soon comes across the path of Lex Luthor, a business mogul who owns almost all of Metropolis through corrupt and illegal methods with the help of crime syndicate Intergang. Their battle is soon disrupted by the dramatic appearance of an alien ship and Brainiac, a rogue alien super computer who has come in search of an all powerful crystal. He recognises Superman as the owner of the crystal revealing his origin as an alien and holds the world to ransom in exchange for the crystal. Superman must find the strength to defeat Brainiac by using the full extent of his powers, will and hope for humanity and discover his true origins to become the greatest hero of them all.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Just Make a "Superman' movie, dammit!

    by brutal

    So much material to draw from and they are (tentatively) opting for an angst-filled emo trip for the man in tights. If they do that, by all means, get the craptacular Paul Welling of Smallville to play Supes. If they want to make a next step Superman movie (and, by God, they better) consider either Routh for a continuity to 'Returns' or Jon Hamm for a more Alex Ross-ish mid-life Superman that truly has (and has earned) the weight of the world and universe on his shoulders...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Lizzy Caplan for Lois, please.

    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:43 p.m. CST

    SMALLVILLE: the Movie

    by SapGoblin

    that's all this is shaping up to much for reboot

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Birthright was a good series

    by eric haislar

    If done right it could be structured just like batman begins. I just want more superman and less should i become him.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    i seem to remember aranofsky's batman treatment sucked

    by mr. smith

    so wolverine 2 should be a good fit.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    We don't need an hour of Clark on walkabout with no Superman

    by SpyGuy

    I love SMALLVILLE, but we're now in the home stretch of TEN YEARS of Clark becoming Superman. We don't need another "How he becomes Superman" take, especially if the source material is the diappointing SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT. Let Superman be Superman!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    I hope Supes stops stalking people

    by Abominable Snowcone

    and actually fights, you know, a bad guy and stops fucking brooding. Batman's got that covered (which is fine because it's appropriate for the character)<p> If the next Supes sucks I'll stab MYSELF with a krypto-knife.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    It's not Snyder really

    by Sunhawk7

    So much as it is the story. If they deliver a great script then that is most of the battle. The story has to be there first or no director is going to pull off a memorable Superman movie. If Snyder is fully involved in developing the story then we might be in for a movie that will be visually strong and emotionally unsatisfying. Superman is about heart. Remove that and you have nothing. Based on Snyder's other work, I think overall he is a poor choice to helm this project...unless a stylistically empty Superman is more to your taste. I'm also very concerned that they might use the nihilistic tone of the Batman movies as a jumping off point.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Superman origins

    by Abominable Snowcone

    The beginning of Superman has already been done twice on the bigscreen. Neither the character nor his movie franchise will survive another Clark-based feature film in which he broods and doesn't fight imposing villains

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by Prisoner_Zero

    ...he decides he WILL become Superman.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Brandon Routh

    by gabbygall

    This guys needs another crack at this character. Considering what he had to work with in the last movie I think he did a sterling job. He was likable, looked the part and did a good turn - the biggest problem he faced was stepping into Christopher Reeves incredibly large shoes - he was always going to be a Superman `lite`. Get him back on board, give him a good script, a bit of continuity and I reckon he could establish himnself as Supes.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    the top 4 superman choices are

    by wtfuckers

    up at at the 4th choice

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Singer would have made a phenomenal sequel

    by MST3KPIMP


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    A bad filmmaker can fuck up a good script. It has happened too often.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Travelling the world...

    by I AM ROCKO Clark Kent? Wondering if he should become Superman? Sounds like Batman Begins to me and another origin story. Let me guess on his travels he finally meets someone who shares his powers- his name is Zod. Superman is born and takes him down. Fucking hell, they have even done this on Smallville. Just bring Welling, Durrance to the bring screen in a Superman adventure. Rosenbaum can appear as Lex in the third film, other villians for the first two. No Zod- Superman 2 is a classic.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    If they have to give some nod...

    by jimmy rabbitte Superman's origin story there are two effective ways, of working it in. They can review it quickly, the way it was done, in Norton's Hulk movie(over the credits); or they can stretch that a bit and tell it in slightly longer beats. The best example I can think of for that would be the first ten or fifteen minutes, of The Fugitive. In that short amount of time, all we needed to know, about Richard Kimble was told and told well. There was momentum to it that only ratcheted up, after the inciting incident, of the train wreck, and the introduction of Sam Gerard and his team.<p> ..."inciting incident". Damn. I hope that doesn't make me sound like I've been reading "Script-writing for Dummies".

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by 40VirginsAnd_aMule

    CHOPPAH posted it days this place is getting old and lame..<P>the mods are resulting to posting sex pics of themselves to get comments...<P>just sad and pathetic when

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    in Nolan and Snyder WE TRUST. It WILL have HEART.

    by Se7en

    They will deliver not only a film with 'Lots of visual flare and tremendous sense of beauty and design'... but it will have HEART.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Hey, wanna know how to make Superman relevant nowadays?

    by RedLeaderStandingBy

    Make him a BADASSS. Put him against a FUCKING SUPERVILLAIN. Use his SUPERPOWERS in a COOL and VIOLENT way.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Sounds like shit

    by alienindisguise

    poor Superman. The best representations of him were back in the 70's. Too bad everyone who's in a place of power to make another Supes flick is a fucking idiot these days

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Less Clark, more Supes, please.

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Whoever gets the job must give us a Superman movie with balls to the wall HEROICS and ACTION. I hope Snyder understands this, as he tends to make his stuff too fucking violent. There is a difference.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Wesley Snipes. In Prison. As Super Man

    by lonecow12

    Make it happen.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I knew it! This makes sense with Nolan involved

    by andrew coleman

    It's clear now we won't get a balls out Superman action film. More of a "self discovery story" with some Superman in it. That's fine but one day can we please fucking get Superman kicking a super villains ass in Metropolis pease?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I don't want a modern Superman...I want SM in the 30's

    by boogel

    I want to see the world in a depression just trying to find the will to go on for one more day. I want a world of men in hats that smell of pomade and women that smell of powder and bourbon. I want a black and white world where the only color, the only hope is SM. I want Clark Gable as Clark Kent. Somehow I don't think I'm going to get any of it.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives-obviously, i know this


    But its time that we get to see Superman in action, and taken seriously. and also not be a fucking pussy, and kick the shit out of someone, or something. this is a superman movie, not a bumbling Clark Kent movie. lets have some fucking action! on a cosmic fucking scale! Lets focus this movie on Supes and not his alter ego, and fucking dumb lois lane. i mean, we need these characters, but lets not focus the damn story around it.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I predict success

    by RowanM

    A Goyer script with Snyder's visual style, coupled with Nolan's input. So Chris Nolan has made 2 great Batman movies. He said he wasn't interested in getting involved with a Superman movie until David Goyer pitched an idea to him. That idea hooked Nolan BIG time. It brought him enthusiastically on board. Look how Snyder handles visual style. The trailer for Sucker Punch is oozing with the stuff. If he starts to get carried away, I'm sure Nolan will have a word in his ear. When it comes to Superman in my opinion. It's this... FUCK LUTHOR and FUCK THE WHOLE KRYPTONITE PLOT POINT. Fuck that whole "oooh.... feel....weak....kryponite....nearby...ack" I want to see Superman get the shit kicked out of him by someone who's bigger and tougher than he is. I want to see windows shatter from the sonic booms of their punches. I want to see whole buildings collapse around whatever fight Supes gets stuck into. Something like the Hulk v Abomination brawl but BIGGER. Then I'll be happy.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Rashida Jones for Lois Lane!

    by djangoilbastardo

    Perfect. There ya go. And bring back Routh too.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST

    I'm with WackyBantha

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    They'd have my ten dollars.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    It will be about SUPERMAN. Not Clark.

    by Se7en

    It will be EPIC. Man, this will be epic.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    - RT: #SMH

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Yes, Rashida Jones for Lois Lane!

    by BackRiverCatfish


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Olivia Wilde for Lois Lane!!

    by fuck.wit

    I'm calling it right here peeps!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Do something like "What's so funny about..."

    by hank henshaw

    Truth, Justice and the American Way?" Make the villain(s) as evil, dark, ruthless, violent as you possibly can, and show that Superman can't just lower himself to the bad guy(s) level, and why his way is the right way.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Aronofskys_GLEE_Reboot

    Are you a Whedon fan? I was just curious because of your capitolization of The Powers That Be

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I trust Nolan

    by AsimovLives

    I don't trust Snyder. At all.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    The "walk the Earth" thing

    by Wormie1

    Looks like it comes from the synopsis on the IMDB page. Somehow, I doubt the somewhat detailed plot there is legit.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST

    so what I read that as saying is

    by MurderMostFowl

    We're going to rush to a director, we rushed a script and we had to rush to do something before some rights were possibly revoked.... all the elements I want to see in good cinema! Bravo!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I could see Rashida Jones

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm not a huge fan of her, but she fits the Lois Lane archetype way better than whatsherface did

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Sad to know this was almost Aronofskys

    by TheJudger

    Seriously. It's sort of not cool that he spoke openly about his opinions on Snyder's film making aesthetics, but deep down I agree with him. Snyder is about image and flair and damn does that guy love slow mo. I haven't yet felt a real quite character moment in his films in contrast to Aronofsky pacing. All of those drama moments depend on the music or the visuals surrounding the character. <P> Aronofsky has a lot of heart. I mean a big bleeding huge ass heart, and he knows how too make characters very interesting. Snyder on the other hand is TNT. He frames action for the ADHD crowd. I want a bleeding heart Superman, and I don't need the scene to slow down to show me his emotions or struggle. <P> When I read the list I stood up for Synder because he was the better of the group, but I certainly didn't get a chubby thinking about his take. To some extent we already know how he will make the film- Just watch Watchmen. Aronofsky would do it in a way that didn't require image tricks to make the character play work. You know this to be true. <P>Think about the sex scene in watchmen-- I get the fire shooting out, and that is what I mean when I say the man uses dramatic images to increase the audience's connections to the characters emotions. Aronofsky can do that with out those games. The camera play in the wrestler shocked me. I mean I honest felt like I was a true 3rd person to those events. Like a floating ghost of sorts. It didn't feel like a film. Superman on film is just that- a movie. The camera never stays with him through out. It has other characters to deal with, but imagine if it stayed on him like it did with the Ram. No superhero movie has been done like that. I bet it would be very interesting. Aronofsky did this with Pi as well and in some way with RFAD. <P> Oh this new news hurts me a bit. <P> I wasn't for Snyder because I thought he was a wonderful choice. I was with him because he was the better choice on that list, based on what we have seen, but his films are more image than substance, and I know some people here will say I'm wrong, and hey that's cool. <P>We are living in a Wiz, Bang, Pow ADHD Era of film making. Everyones toying with the color play, the camera cuts, the frame rate, and the amount of on screen visual distractions in frame- All to keep our eyes on the screen. The problem is some people overdo it and over saturate it until the impact of those tricks are lost. Many filmmakers know that visual confusing is easy route entertainment. When the mind and eyes cant keep up, the thinking process stops and the firework effect takes hold. Like the Zombies taring at the Firework Blooms in Land Of the Dead. <P> I like pretty images and mass action, as much as the next guy, but for me- Superman as a film should be about Characters first, and the action second. The look and color effects and visuals fireworks don't concern me in the least. It's the last thing I want the director to be concerned about. I want character before visual substance and frame per second games.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Gabourey Sidibe as Lois Lane

    by blackmantis

    You know only Supes could handle that.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST

    "Are you a Whedon fan?"

    by Shermdawg

    He's probably a WCW fan.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Interesting choice

    by Kammich

    I'm way late on finally weighing in on all of this, but its definitely an interesting choice. I really thought that someone of Nolan's acumen would've lobbied for Duncan Jones or Aronofsky. And Snyder has been handed some big reins by Warner Bros in the past and hasn't exactly delivered box office success with any of them... so yes, I'm surprised by the choice. I'm not a huge Supes fan, never have been(growing up I gravitated towards the flawed, ethically troubled heroes with minor powers rather than the flawless demigod), but I truly think those of you clamoring for a knock-down-drag-out epic Superman action picture are going to get it. Snyder may over-use some of his tricks a bit, but the man can set up a brilliant action sequence, and I can definitely see him delivering one hell of a show. as for the rest of the picture, I don't know... the notion of a "rushed, unrefined Goyer script" can't instill confidence in anyone. and casting will play a HUGE part, especially because Snyder isn't the greatest around at getting deep performances from his actors. this is the first interesting development in a production that will surely be loaded with them.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by louisse

    I can not imagine Aronofsky directing a superhero film. besides, xmen has been made into a fucking waste. I'd like Aronofsky to fix that. Snyder looks to be a very proper choice for superman. I hope they DO take it like batman begins was to batman.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 2:55 p.m. CST

    We either get a Supes that looks good or a Supes that's boring a

    by terry1978

    We just cannot seem to find a director that can do both.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Talk about the LAST movie that needed to be an origin story

    by ImJustSaying

    What wankers.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Zod and Carla Gugino

    by rhine1784

    Carla Gugino will be Louis Lane Zod will be the villain THIS WILL ROCK!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    This is EXACTLY what a TB suggested some 6 months ago!!

    by ricarleite2

    They took this idea from AICN! Search it up!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    TheJudger - Aronofsky spoke out on Snyder?

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Got a link? I'd love to read it. Thanks.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    r_number6.... I agree.

    by VADER77

    ...we'll get a dumbass frikkin "Wolverine" that looks like "Smallville".... SUCKAGE. It was bad enough we got "Superman Returns", now you want to give us this. I am so VERY disappointed. Asimov makes some very good points, also.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I'd have rather seen Aronofsky's

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    But it might have been terrible. Who knows, he never tackled anything like this

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by Chain

    seriously we don't need another take on the origin. Or another Lex Luthor as the main antagonist film.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Carla Gugino would suck as Lois.

    by Shermdawg

    I'm telling you guys, she's waaay too theatric. She's probably a wonderful stage actress, but nearly every time I've seen her in a flick she always overdoes it to the point it's grating. Beautiful chick, but not right for this.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I want them to do something in the vein of...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...that Superman vs. Darkseid brawl from the finale of Justice League Unlimited. Where Supes, itching to finally bring the pain down on Darkseid as payback for killing his friend Dan Turpin, says something like, "You know, it's hard having such amazing powers and living here on Earth. I have to be careful and watch everything I do, it's like living in a world of constructed out of tissue paper. So it's nice to finally be able to go up against an opponent who's powerful enough to let me REALLY cut loose!" Then we get the mother of all fights with the slipstream of thrown punches knocking buildings down, sonic booms cracking the ground open when the punches connect, heat vision frying entire forests... it was awesome. THAT'S the kind of Superman action I want to see in this new movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    So what we'll get is a rushed...

    by VADER77, script and effects I'm sure.... hmmmmm, sounding familiar?... What I'm hearing is we are gonna get a Kane ala "Kung Fu" type, walking the Earth, trying to figure if and how he'll become "Superman" ala "Batman Begins" style...? SOUNDS FUCKIN' QUEER !!!.. next you're gonna tell me they are gonna go with a "darker" more brooding style.. so what that means is a "Spiderman 3" emo fuckin "Superman"....... just fuck off and leave it the hell alone...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    It's not due until Holiday 2012...

    by Shermdawg

    ...that's not really rushing things.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Lizzy Caplan...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ... yeah, that chick that beat up a giant CloverFlea, got bit, then popped later. She has the kind of look and toughness that you'd want in an actress playing Lois Lane. Good one.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    They should've just given Bruce Timm a

    by Dennis_Moore

    shot at trying live action directing; or producing, writing (with his Justice League cohorts), and or designing with his friends Alex Ross and Darwyn Cooke).

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    ...for MY villians...

    by VADER77

    LOBO, Metallo, Mongul or the Toyman... Metallo would bemy first choice, then LOBO, then a toss up on the other two.... just my two cents..... course, with the queer way they're talking about going, they might just use a Bizzaro Jimmy Olsen...... fuckin ass-clowns.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Wow, Clark Kent roaming around the world.....

    by Darth_Kaos

    ...thinking about becoming Supes. That doesn't feel right. It's not true...and even if it will be changed. A massive story overall. But if by some chance that it is true. It will make Superman Returns look like a masterpiece, and all the rights to Superman should be returned.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I get a strong Smallville vibe.

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    If he's sort of in-between Kent and Superman, sounds like aperfect transition for Smallville. I'm fine with that by the way.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    LOVE the idea of giving the whole thing to Bruce Timm

    by RETURN_of_FETT

    If ANYBODY knows how to do Superman, it's him. Somebody just tell him that characters can only doing the backwards-toe-slide once...and that's it. I just watched Apocalypse and no shit, that happens like 5 times in a row!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Superman Begins = UGH

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I think the general public is tired of seeing Superman's origin told, and retold so many times already. Both older people who grew up on the Donner films, and the younger generations that watched Smallville and before that Lois & Clark. I find it incredibly disappointing that from the sound of it David Goyer is repeating what he did with Batman.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    The timing is good for Superman fans

    by cameron1975willi

    Listen, Snyder is on the up-and up. In my opinion Snyder is getting beter with every movie and The Watchmen was dangerously close to being a Masterpiece. I cannot wait to see what he does. I have two requests. I want john Williams' iconic music used to some degree and I wanna see a glimpse of a holographic Marlon Brando. Deal? Deal.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Superman and Russel Crowe

    by InActionMan

    Fightin' Round the World.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Snyder's of

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Oops! Bumped the enter key.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    LOBO, the parody of a fanboy badass anti hero?


    Why on earth would you want that?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Snyder's of Berlin for product placement!

    by Dennis_Moore

    They can make pretzels in the shape of Supes's S shield.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts about how to modernize this:

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    1. No origin story. We already know Superman's origins.<p><p> 2. Change the Daily Planet to a cable news network, as another talkbacker suggested. Clark and Lois would be on-air, globe-trotting reporters for this network.<p><p> 3. With #2 in mind, model Clark Kent after Anderson Cooper and adventure journalist Sebastian Junger.<p><p> 4. Make him a middle-ageish guy -- late 30s at least. Yes, John Hamm should be a contender for the part.<p><p> 5. In the universe of the movie, have Superman be in semi-retirement, and the plot (the conflict with Zod) forces him out of retirement.<p><p> 6. And maybe have it where the general public knows that Superman is Clark Kent. (In other words, drop the glasses-as-disguise b/s. It's not believable anymore -- never was.)<p><p> 7. Thus, the central character conflict would be, how does this guy balance his public life as a famous cable news reporter, trying to be objective with his job, with the fact that he is a semi-retired superhero and the public needs/wants him to return to active duty?<p><p> 8. This is probably already in the script, but have a second villain, a popular character from the comics who has not been depicted in the movies, probably Doomsday or Brainiac.<p><p> 9. Finally, I would argue that "Hancock" actually had the right idea for how to present a modernized, Dark Knight-ish take on Superman. That movie's execution and script weren't good, but its overall premise was intriguing and could work for the ideas here as to how to present Superman in a timely, relevant fashion.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Dark Superman

    by NerdRageFanClub

    Why the hell not

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'll see this film if...

    by rbatty024

    during his trip around the world, Clark Kent does a funny dance in different exotic locations. Sometimes the locals will join in.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    I have no idea what you're talking about. Nolan directed Memento and Batman, not Arrogantofsky. Are you saying you don't like Nolan? That you do like Arrogantofsky? I can't tell. <br><br>Personally, I think Nolan would have hit another grandslam homerun on Superman, but the fact that he's involved in the creation of this new flick (one suspects guiding Snyder's adolescent Id so it doesn't fly off the rails) has me feeling pretty damn good about it. Nolan's brains and Snyder's bombast looks like Epic Win to me. No weeping at the vagina tree whilst being hit over the head with a sledgehammer that you're supposed to care.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    WB's relationship with Snyder has only produced 1 "bomb" so far with "Watchmen". "300" cost 70 million and made over 400 million. Watchmen barely broke even but it wasn't a great return. And finally, "Sucker Punch" doesn't have a huge budget at 85 million and WB is happy with it. Unless it's outright shit, it is bound to make it's money back. Especially since the trailer is full of holy shit what the fuck scenes. <p>So it's not like they keep giving him properties that continue to flop. His track record is pretty decent so far.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Eat Fly Love

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Clark Kent (Julia Roberts) a freelance journalist realizes how sad his superpowers are, and that his life needs to go in a different direction. He takes off on a round-the-world journey to "find himself".

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I can't be worse than Superman Returns can it?

    by Rob0729

    Singer's snoozefest did almost everything wrong in my eyes. He paid homage to Donner's original without really catching anything that made it special and using some of the bad points that should have been lost especially since they weren't right for this generation. <br><br>Lex Luthor has been overplayed, but keeping his bumbling sidekicks and not looking at one of the more modernized characterizations were just wrong. <br><br>The super kid was just plain stupid. <br><br>Kate Boswell was miscast as Lois Lane. <br><br>Brandon Routh was not playing Superman/Clark Kent, he was playing Christopher Reeves playing Superman/Clark Kent and brought nothing new to the part other than an impersonation of Reeves. Watching him since, I doubt he has the acting chops to have brought anything unique to the part (side note, I didn't see Scott Pilgrim where he supposably broke from his tradition and was actually good in his role). <br><br>There was not enough action or real tension.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky's better than Nolan you dumb twat

    by TheWaqman

    typical of LaserPants to blab his stupid mouth as usual. If you want to talk pretentious and silly watch Batman Begins, it's already aged horribly. Why is Liam Neeson giving shitty philosophy lessons while fighting Batman? Also "It's not who you I am but what I do that defines me" HAHAHAAAA. <p> Snyder's Superman will be terrible. And honestly, what happened to this site? You should all be screaming about this terrible news. They practically admitted that they chose Snyder because they need a rushed project, and he's just the hack to agree to such a thing. Fuck this film. I'm just going to watch the Superman Returns teaser for a total of 1 hour and a half. One of the best teaser trailers of all time, for a fairly mediocre film (but which will be guaranteed greater than this mess. God damn, they even have Goyer writing the script. bleuck)

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Clark as a globe trotting journalist? WTF?!

    by fredjs

    I'm not totally against it but shouldn't his Clark persona be a little more low key? I thought the point of the Clark shtick is so Kal-El wouldn't have to be 'on duty' 24/7. And deciding to become Superman? OK, I could buy that but this would have to be a pretty quick conundrum for him if the goal is to give this flick the action scenes it needs.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    i know this is wishful thinking, but...

    by ragingfluff

    ... could they get Hackman to make a cameo in this? Just a little one? Like a minute, even. I'd like his last film to be memorable, unlike that crappy mayor of a small town thing he did with Ray Romano.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I wonder if he ends up deciding to become Superman...!

    by MaliceHighload

    I'm thinking, probably. I wanna see George Miller's movie that'll never get made, but ugh... whaddaya gonna do?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Is it Zod?

    by hank quinlan

    We have a wealth of amazing villains who could be explored (including Luthor who they never got right) and we go back to the Zod well just cuz Stamp played him so memorably 30 years ago? The problem with the Reeve Superman movies is they weren't comic booky enough. They were cartoony. And rarely used any of the comic's ideas. Even as a kid I couldn't understand why the only bad guys he ever fought were the Krypton guys and Nuclear Man??? Same with Superman Returns. Which by the way may have the single WORST opening scene in movie history.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    You know,

    by thecheesegrommit

    It smells like ASS in here, because opinions are like assholes and you all got 'em. Whining dinks!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I agree with Merrick


    that was a very well worded description of Snyder's movies. I love his visual style though and am looking forward to this. I hope he evolves as a filmmaker. If this ends up being another typical Zack film I'll change sides and agree with Asimov, but until then I'm still on Snyder's side of the ring. I don't hate his movies, they are moderately entertaining, but they really drag in parts.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by fredjs

    Nice. I'm not whining so much as anxious. But your point is valid.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Spot on Merrick

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Snyder is good at the mechanics of filmmaking, terrible at the human side of storytelling. You can't magic a great film out of thin air, you have to be a great artist. Snyder ain't.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Arrogantofsky Fucking BLOWS

    by LaserPants

    But he must seem like the most brilliant filmmaker in the world if you're either a) retarded, b) 5 years old, c) haven't seen many films, or d) all of the above.<br><br>PI was kinda clever, and it was a first go, so it's overwrought, pretentious awkwardness gets a pass. I'll grant that. <br><br>REQUIEM FOR A DREAM was like being hit over the head with a sledgehammer repeatedly by a retarded middle school kid who came to the conclusion that junkies come in all shapes and sizes. Oh shit! That olde lady is a junky for the tv! HERE COMES THE FRIDGE! (Duh.) But hey, if you're 12, that musta seemed AMAZING. <br><br>THE FOUNTAIN was H I L A R I O U S LY awful and over-the-top. Easily one of the worst, most unintentionally hilarious movie I have ever seen. Like reading a medicated 15 year old's bad poetry. I mean, licking the space vagina tree? Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Hahahaha! Ok, ok, we get it Arrogantofsky, you've experienced loss. BRAVO! Clap clap. Join the fucking club. Now could you but the maudlin sledghammer away? Some of us aren't retarded 15 year oldes writing bad poetry. <br><br>FINALLY, we have THE WRESTLER, which, was okay. I liked it alright. But again with the sledgehammer and the obviousness. I mean, I called the ending about halfway through the movie, right down to the cliched Stripper With The Heart of Gold running in to tell Marv that he's gonna die! "Don't do it, Ram! You're heart condition!" HAHAHAHAH! I mean, really? REALLY? Okay, I guess you guys are just easily impressed. Or dumb. Or both.<br><br>All that said, I think Black Swan looks like it's gonna be a hilarious / awesome train wreck. Can't wait to see it!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Why is Aronofsky wasting his time directing films?

    by LaserPants

    I think he should be writing afterschool specials for retarded middle school kids. They'd eat his totally unexamined, sledgehammer subtlety up!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Thanks for reminding me, Hank Quinlan,

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    about Superman Return's opening scene. I had forgotten about that old woman thanking Luthor for giving her "pleasures I've never known". That's how a genius earns his fortune? Romancing 80-year-old women?! What the hell was Singer thinking by dropping the $10 million Krypton sequence for that!? <p> I do think that you could salvage that film with a new cut. Restore the Krypton stuff, the scenes where he speaks to Martha about her leaving, scratch that awful scene with Lex and his wife, show the scenes where Superman sees the consequences of his decision to leave (the stacks of newspapers detailing the disasters he could have prevented). And, finally, take out the bit where the doctors removed a shard of Kryptonite out of him - that was the final death blow for Superman Returns. OK, I'll accept him lifting a whole chunk of land mass made of Kryptonite as an act of sheer will and sacrifice, but then they reveal he has a shard in him all along! What the hell!?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Arrogantofsky To Helm Autobiopic: THE WEEPING SLEDGEHAMMER

    by LaserPants

    It tells the tale of a self-described "genius" filmmaker running around hitting undergrads over the head with a weeping sledgehammer. They then follow him around, drooling with adoration. His wife is in it too! She's hawt!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Laser Pants

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Aren't you the guy who hates James Cameron? So you rate Zack Snyder but not Aronofsky or Cameron? Oh well, people are strange...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST



    Pi and Requiem are overrated in some circles. They were an interesting experience to witness but not great movies. The Fountain was o.k. at best. But the Wrestler, that was fucking great. I really loved that film. A lot of it was Rourke but you gotta hand it to Aronofsky, too. I think this guy could potentially make a really good Wolverine film. He's got a lot of stylistic flair that will suit the comics genre, and has proven he can tell a compelling emotional, human story and oversee a brilliant acting performance with The Wrestler.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    He's Superman by the end of the first act.

    by UltimaRex


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    There's no bashing of BATMAN BEGINS on my watch, mister. and for your information, i love both Nolan and Aronofski. Both are great young directors, each in their own way. I wouldn't trade one for the other.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I rewatcha THE FOUNTAIN recently and one needs to have an heart made of iron not to feel moved and impressed with the movie. It's movies like THE FOUNTAIN that remind me why i love movies. I'm in awe the movie even got made. And thank goodness for that. Thank goodness the movie exists. Cinema would be poorer if it didn't.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Nope. I hated T2 cause it was AWFUL. I loved T1 and ALIENS. Thought AVATAR was kindof obvious, but it totally lived up to his hype. I liked it. <br><br>And I'm not sure where you got the idea that I love Snyder. I think he's got an eye for action, but is kind of dumb. As I've said countless times. Hey, I said it up above! Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote? I'll quote it to help you out:<br><br>"Snyder might be kinda dumb, but he's the cool, fun, exciting kinda dumb who knows how to make an exciting movie. (And with Nolan "godfathering" it, I predict epic win.)"<br><br>"Personally, I think Nolan would have hit another grandslam homerun on Superman, but the fact that he's involved in the creation of this new flick (one suspects guiding Snyder's adolescent Id so it doesn't fly off the rails) has me feeling pretty damn good about it. Nolan's brains and Snyder's bombast looks like Epic Win to me. No weeping at the vagina tree whilst being hit over the head with a sledgehammer that you're supposed to care." <br><br>In other words, Snyder is kinda dumb, but he can direct good action scenes. I HATED 300, but thought the Dawn of the Dead remake was pretty awesome for a remake. I think he was the wrong choice for WATCHMEN (only Kubrick could've done it right), but he did about as well as anyone else would have. <br><br>The upshot here is that I think Nolan's steady hand and cold, calculated approach will keep Snyder on track. Nolan brings the brains, Snyder brings the bombast. Sounds like Epic Win to me, or at least, Regular Win.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Aronofski is not the self-described genious. Jar Jar Abrams and Zack The Hack Snyder, on the other hand...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Fair enough. I'm not sure how much influence Nolan can have though; Batman 3 has apparently just been confirmed for an April 2011 shoot in New Orleans which is when Snyder will get going on the film. Nolan's going to be busy with the new Batman while the bulk of Superman is going down.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Where's Nolan in all this?

    by zooch

    Why is he allowing this thing to go forward being rushed with an uninspired choice at director that people already aren't too thrilled about. Bad sign. No Jon Hamm. No Aronofsky.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    I certainly don't think either Jar Jar Abrams or Snyder are geniuses. And I've certainly never heard them, or anyone else, say as much. I think the former is lame and the latter has a good visual eye, and a great eye for action, but is kind of dumb if left on his own. Which, again, is why Nolan guiding the hand of a guy who knows how to shoot cool action scenes points to Epic Win.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Evangeline LIlly and Henry Cavill

    by thevision

    Evangeline is sexy and sweet not the BattleAxe Bitch Kate Bosworth was in "Returns." I had no problem with Brandon Routh but I don't want another rendition of SadSack Superman! Henry Cavill looks like Jim Lee's Superman- square-jawed and confident.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What? Are you trying to pull or my leg or are you playing dumb? "FROM TE VISIONARY DIRECTOR OF 300" doesn't ring a bell? Jar Jar Abrams being constantly compared to Steven Spielberg, being hailed as the new Spielberg? You got to be kidding me!!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by Roderich

    No Superman-Movie without Otisburg!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Manganiello, Armie Hammer, or Jared Padalecki? Why cast any of t

    by The Founder

    When you got Brandon Routh. It makes no sense what so ever. I've said before unless WB is gonna cast outside the box with someone like Leo or Jake Gylennhaul them guys mentioned are no different then Routh. They all are of the same ilk. For the love of god WB just keep continuity going and not make Superman a revolving door of actors, KEEP ROUTH!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by kafka07 m/index.php?s=specialman&search.x=0&search.y=0

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Don´t be sheep

    by Ditko

    That articles sole purpose is to create, very early, a negative buzz on the movie. The script wasn´t "rushed out", you people believe anything.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Umn isnt that the basic plot of Smallville?

    by stockbridge

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Umn isnt that the basic plot of Smallville?

    by stockbridge

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    No Henry Cavill either, no different from Routh.

    by The Founder

    Well he isn't

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Aronofski deserves an Oscar for the line

    by InActionMan

    "Ass to Ass" Alone.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Did someone bash...

    by teethgnasher

    the special effects of Xena?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Clark should have a statue of Seinfeld in his apartment.

    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Why does DC worship Jim Lee?

    by teethgnasher

    He draws a good Superman, but I don't understand the worship that DC gives him.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Snookeroo

    is Lois lane.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Toyman, Metello and parasite can't carry a movie

    by The Founder

    These guys why classic villains and I would love to see on the screen but they need to be part of the a group led by a mastermind villain, like Bruno Manheim or Lex(god he's been overused) and Superman Cyborg leading them. Their is inter gang but it seems WB is hellbent on not moving Supes forward and sticking with what worked in the Donner films. Now villains like Brainiac or Darkseid can be stand alone villains. Darkseid has his minions already.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Today I saw...

    by AllThosePowers

    ...a priest in church, where I was begging forgiveness for my sins pray for superman

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    If Clark's glasses were the coke bottle variety

    by Snookeroo

    he could hide an identity behind those. Not to mention scare dogs and small children.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I want to see him get totally unhinged

    by cgih8r

    He's on assignment in Afghanistan and is witnessing the Taliban about to stone another woman and he goes berserker rage on them and tears them all to pieces. God that would be a better than sex movie. But sadly I know that's not what the character is all about.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Holy living shit.

    by MikeTheSpike

    Merrick's analysis (in this case of Snyder) was actually incredibly spot-on for the first time in the history of humanity.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    You Nolan Sheep are really sad

    by havehope

    Thinking he is the greatest thing ever. All sheep.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Stop Saying Doomsday

    by Autodidact

    Doomsday is not even a character.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    "pervasive dullness"?

    by 11ZOMBIES

    Really? Surely you are talking about Aronofsky or Singer. Snyder's films have so far been visually stunning and mentally engaging. Hell, his film adaptation of 300 made my girlfriend see the good in the graphic novel. Snyder and Nolan's names on this project are the only things that make me want to see it at all.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by wackybantha


  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Bruce Thomas Wayne

    "Goyers script might keep it aground to something we've all been waiting for in a supes film. One thing tho, with a Zod/Supes fight, it better be in league with (or better than) the Neo/Smith fight from matrix Revolutions." I've been saying the same thing since I saw Revolutions. That fight was fucking epic. FUCKING EPIC.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Have Clark Kent living as a homeless bum

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    with super-powers at first. Nice dark edge to the character.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:40 p.m. CST

    I would love to see Superman outside of our solar system

    by rbatty024

    There's such potential for the character to get involved in a grand Star Wars style space opera. This could easily incorporate Darkseid and his ilk. A Superman story that took place on another planet would be unlike any previous Superman film.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST

    First Heath Ledger dies, now Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    by zooch

    's brother died.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:50 p.m. CST

    He's probably a WCW fan.

    by Bruce Thomas Wayne

    hahahaha hell yeah

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I wonder if he decides to become Superman...

    by CountryBoy

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    NO MORE ORIGINS!!!!!!!!

    by br1947

    It's Superman, he exists, everyone knows who he is. Cue Darkseid or Braniac, 2 hour epic super being fight. Done.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    I gotta say....

    by darthSaul666

    I'll have to wait and see the movie before I can decide what I really think of it..

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    CHUD already covered this

    by dancing_jerry

    and sent it hurtling into the rumour mill.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by RaptorJesus

    No Batman Begins bashing on your watch? As good as the film was, it fucked up a lot.<p> Killing Ra's Al Ghul?<p> Making DuCard simply a pseudonym, taking away from an important point in Bruce's training?<p> gah

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Jim Jam Bongs

    by RaptorJesus

    Wow, you have some wack ideas. The only point that makes sense is no origin story...the rest...ayeeee<p> Having The Daily Planet as a cable show is fucking stupid, and would lead to that many people recognizing clark. <p> Agree that he can be played by an older guy, but he should by no means be in semi-retirement. Again...just stupid. <p> The public *should not* know that Clark is Supes...that kind of defeats the purpose, yeah? <p> Since you liked Hancock, why am I not too surprised.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Superman, truth justice and the Taliban way???

    by corplhicks

    what happened to him upholding American values-- yeah he will !!!! period. One idea could be he is about to make it a life long commitment and he tours the world and sees all the shit out there. Question is, would he take our Iran and N korean nukes if he saw them, bring terrorists to their knees easily, etc..... or chase out of control cars in downtown Manhattan. for the love of all things holy, don't make it campy and stupid, PLEASe!!!. no dumb side kicks or dumb broads with big tits. make it a the Watchmen of superman !!!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Stop asking for Routh!!!

    by Kenny8

    You only display to everyone here that you know sweet f*ck all about makes screen acting. Routh is a plank of wood with ZERO charisma

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Tom Welling will be Superman.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Reason being...Geoff Johns. Geoff now oversees the DC Movie/TV Universe, and with all of the input and work on Smallville, I bet he will have some input on why Welling should be Superman. Another reason is the contract that Welling sign for the final two seasons of Smallville. From what I read he got a ginormous payday, and I am wondering if in the contract was future movie. The WB needs to make a Superman movie ASAP because of the copyrights, and it makes me wonder if they threw that into the contract for Welling to appear as Superman in a film. No origin needed for the new movie, and the WB can promote the sells of the show on DVD/BR as the origin for the upcoming movie. That is nothing but BANK for them.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Doggy Style

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    It's in everyone of the dudes flicks. How will this affect Supes and Lois?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST

    AICN Photo You've Got To See to Believe

    by Virginia_Woolf

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:31 p.m. CST

    So, it is a SMALLVILLE movie?...

    by Master Bruce

    "Clark Kent wanders trying to decide if he will even become Superman."...sure sounds that way. While I'm all for Tom Welling finally getting his shot at playing Superman, this film sounds more like a cheap quickie production in order to retain the movie rights just like the new Spider-Man & X-Men movies.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:50 p.m. CST

    respect the Snyder!

    by technosnob

    He's done great work in only a hand full of films. And lets face it Watchmen is unfilmable.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    All Superman needs is a strong threat

    by technosnob

    Someone who can kick his ass and really threaten him. That's it. It doesn't matter which villian as long as he can kick Supe's ass and make his life hell. it's not that complicated.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Krypto can appear....with his head upside down!

    by Meadowe

    and lois can be walking around in tighty whities with some serious camel toe! awesome!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Welling is Superman because....

    by jazzylg

    It's time. Smallville is ending? They could have done 5 more seasons if they wanted to. Welling will be superman not only because he deserves to be, but because it's convenient.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Superman Begins?

    by RainesMaker

    wtf? didnt we see this already with batman

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Well, it SHOULD be Welling, if


    they're going with that plot. I mean the guy has like ten years experience of NOT being Superman. oh, and Rebecca Hall for Lois.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    st treatAt this point I think the bement of Superman would be...

    by REMcycle

    ...a story bridging the gap between Superman's earth-loving peak and the "20 years later" US-government-owned weapon we got in Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns". How/why did that happen? Why wasn't Lois Lane in that book? Did something happen to her? I think there's a lot of potential there...

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    That subject was supposed to say...

    by REMcycle

    ...At this point I think the best treatment of Superman would be... Stupid mouse.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    by catlettuce4

    So Clark's going to be deciding if he wants to be Superman or not (we all know he will), all the while the audience is waiting and wanting to see Superman, since that's what they paid for? And the script (and film) are rushed just to make sure WB isn't in a legal mess? That sounds like a great idea, there... ugh, so it's already off on the wrong foot. Why can't we just have a simple, honest-to-god Superman story put on film, like they have put out in animation many times, and done very well with? I'm afraid they want to turn this all into some big overly dramatic thing again, and all they need to do is actually use what has worked in animation and apply it to a real film. There's never been a Superman movie that nailed it 100%, and I can't see why not! The blueprint is there.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    For the record, Singer was responsible for the script in SR

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    He had as much to do with the story as the screenwriters. He worked closely with them on X-Men 2 and they came over with him to work on Superman. I'm sure he worked just as closely with them on Superman.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    You know what would be neat?

    by Shermdawg

    If Lois wasn't around for Supes' travels, and after he runs in with Zod, accepts his destiny, and defeats him, they then throw a massive twist at us that we didn't just witness Clark Kent's journey in becoming Earth's Savior, but Jason taking up his father's role. Thus leading to the question of what happened to Kal?

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:16 p.m. CST

    If it's an origin story, I ain't buyin'

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    I will never see another Superman origin film. Never ever again. Give us something new. That is all.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Snyder and hack Goyer better not strip Superman

    by The Krypton Kid

    of his hope and humanity! The Greatest Here Ever is not dark; he is the embodiment of hope, light, and decency.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:26 p.m. CST

    If Goyer goes unchecked, he will try to ruin Superman

    by The Krypton Kid

    The hack has badmouthed Superman plenty of times before. Just a couple of months ago he told Wizard magazine that Superman's primarily color scheme would not work for a modern superhero film. HACK!

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Goyer is a scuzzbag and a scumbucket

    by The Krypton Kid

    That filthy degenerate has no business writing the Greatest Hero Who Ever Lived.

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    He's not real dude.

    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Superman.....that is, not Goyer.

    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to finally see aranofsky unleashed- give him

    by UltraTron

    STAR WARS. Total reboot. Look at THX1138 and then tell me it's not karma. It would make perfect sense

  • Oct. 6, 2010, 11:48 p.m. CST

    What Superman stands for is plenty real

    by The Krypton Kid

    And I don't want to see it misrepresented by a scummy hack like Goyer.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, midnight CST


    by the Green Gargantua

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Title should be "Superman"

    by Se7en

    No over-dramatic Clark Kent 'soul searching' please. Kal-El knows exactly who he is.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST

    might get blasted for saying this...

    by sambafreak13

    but I REALLY enjoyed SR, and I wish they were bringing Singer back for this one...(now I'm gonna duck)

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I want to see the Greatest Hero Ever...

    by The Krypton Kid

    fighting for Truth, Justice, and the Ideal American Way and pummeling evil super-powered alien tyrants while John Williams' Superman March blasts at full power!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Rachel McAdams for Lois Lane..

    by Bootskin your know it to be true.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Which American Way do we want Supes upholding?

    by The Founder

    Clearly not today. the American way consists of greed , debt, no respect of your fell countryman, and a quick fix whe the shit hits the fan after years of going down the wring road.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Ill bet my savings that Welling's wooden ass won't be Supes.

    by The Founder

    Dream on fan boys. Welling will never be Superman in a movie. That I'm sure of. The guy is wooden and just overall not a good actor. He works for Smallville and is a CW tv actor to me. Welling may have got a big payday for Smallville cause WB wanted another season but the man would go non for another season if he could cause no one is checking for Tom Welling for Hollywood roles. When SV ends see how much we see of Welling. He may get a guest on on Criminal minds or something or even another cable tv series, but this guy future ain't in motion pictures.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Charisma Carpenter as Lois Lane

    by dukeroberts

    She's hot and is spunky. Do it!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    The IDEAL American Way, Founder

    by The Krypton Kid

    The government might fail, BUT SUPERMAN DOESN'T

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Keep Welling a million miles away!

    by The Krypton Kid

    Terrible, dull actor. Clark is supposed to be mild-mannered, not a charmless plank of wood.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Welling's "wooden ass" WILL be Supes.

    by Shermdawg

    Warner Bros. would be INSANE not to release straight to dvd films with the Smallville cast.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    And you can't really place all of the blame on Tom.

    by Shermdawg

    There's really not much you can do when you have constant scenes with him being preached to for five minutes at a time about his destiny.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:15 a.m. CST

    WB would be nuts to release Smallville movies...

    by The Krypton Kid

    and dilute the impact of a Superman feature film. But considering WB's history of stupid decision making, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Jim Caviezel over Tom Welling and Jon Hamm

    by bishopfan85

    With Zack Snyder directing it is fair to assume that there will be a certain lack in connectivity between characters. Not to say that he doesn't have his own way of telling a good story that I for one appreciate but it's not what one would consider a mainstream methodology that many have grown to love. What he can do well is make for some amazing singular character moments of high intensity and even better great scenes between a hero and antagonist. With that being said I can't imagine a better choice than Jim Caviezel to take the role as Superman under his direction because his greatest work comes from exactly those types of moments. If you've seen him in Angel Eyes and the Passion of the Christ then you know that he's already auditioned for this role just as Christian Bale had for Batman when he did American Psycho. I refuse to begin judging an unfinished script based on a rumored and incomplete plot point and would find it very hard to believe that Snyder's talents would be wasted on directing a film about Superman trying to find himself. Visually I anticipate this to be the most stunning live portrayal of the man of steel and be the closest to bringing the pages of the comic books directly to life opposed to simply taking a comic book hero and placing him in a "real world" setting.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:18 a.m. CST

    "dilute the impact of a Superman feature film"!?

    by Shermdawg

    You do realize not only did it's dvd sales keep it on the air, but it was used to keep awareness high for Superman Returns. Doing dvd films with the Smallville cast and including special trailers and featurettes of Man of Steel would only help them.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Christ, man...just because Superman is a Christ-like figure...

    by Shermdawg

    ...doesn't mean he needs to be played by Christ.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Yeah, and rumors were they killed off Schnieder...

    by Shermdawg

    ...because of Returns as well. BIG FUCKING MISTAKE.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:33 a.m. CST

    worst talkback ever...

    by hatemphd

    Everything written here is stupid. Including this statement. But it's not as stupid as everything else here.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST


    by ugh

    All they need to do is pretend that Superman 3 & 4 plus Superman Returns never existed and continue with a new story that leads to an eventual Justice League film. Give us Darkseid! Give us Doomsday! Give us Brainiac! How about Mister Mxyzptlk or Bizarro!? Bring on Lobo!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 5:32 a.m. CST

    *Taz sigh*

    by my liege

    *facepalm* at literally everything I'm hearing about the new Superman movie.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST

    If Aronofsky makes Wolverine 2...

    by Knuckleduster

    ... I will cut off my own dick. It's never gonna happen. This is laughable.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Can't they just do like a regular Superman movie?

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST

    the talkbacker ...

    by Spunkmonkey

    ... who said Superman is from another era is right </p> <p> If Captain America can be sent in 50's era New York then why not Superman? Have him coming to Earth during WW2. Maybe tie in the Smallville idea of Lex being affected by the Meteor shower so his intelligence is super human. But make him both intelligent and psycotic. Or a sociopath</p> <p> You could follow Lex growing up as a kid - almost Omen style. Completely and utterly devoid of empathy but smart enough not to get committed. Dad rich enough to pay off the police when he does cross the line</p> <p> Meanwhile show Supes growing up in Kansas. moving to 50's Metropolis.</p> <p> Personally I can see that working. At least it hasn't been done before either.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Raptor Jesus

    by MikeTheSpike

    ... is correct in saying that killing Ra's al Gul was stupid. One might go so far as to say it indicates a huge misread of Batman on Nolan's part. In fact, *I* might say that.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Jon Hamm

    by Jor-El23

    But use that technology from X3 to make him look younger

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I'd like to see Supes in Afghanistan

    by Sigourneys_Beaver

    I just would. It'd amuse me.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Bring back Mark Pillow!

    by willy_25

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Technology to make someone look younger?

    by rogueleader66

    Come on, for Superman? That is a really really bad idea. It can work for something like Tron Legacy, but not for Superman.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Slow mo Superman


    Is really going to suck hard...THE CHOPPAH may have to go see Snyder and edumacate him on how he should make this one wants to see slow mo shit in every fucking movie....we got it Zack, yer kewl, now go make a good Superman film or else.....<P>Y O U<P>W I L L<P>B E<P>C H O P P E D ! ! ! ! !

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Here is something I require

    by BizarroJerry

    This may sound silly, it may sound like a strange thing to say... but Superman must fight a giant robot in this movie. Seriously. A Superman movie needs a scene like that.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Bring back Mark Pillow?


    THE CHOPPAH just died a little inside from reading that

  • I can’t believe Jonathan Nolan would churn out shit,I can’t believe Cristopher Nolan would put his name to this project if he knew it was going to (excuse the gutter slang parlance) SUCK. Listen, you have guys that know what they’re doing (at least I hope so). They will polish the script,believe me.In regards to Snyder directing.I just don’t know.Does he have the gravitas to bring a spectacular Superman to the screen.I don’t know.Nolan does though and if he’s going to be heavily involved with the direction and production of the film,then we may have a shot.Snyder does have the eye to make a truly gorgeous eye popping movie,but if the script sucks,then no amount of CGI and FX is going to help.If Snyder and Nolan work in tandem.Work of each other’s strengths,then maybe,we could have a Superman film we all deserve

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9 a.m. CST

    Routh eats hobo asscrack

    by mojoman69

    Get somebody NEW!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Why not Bale as Supes?

    by mojoman69

    He can fuck up that franchise too.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST

    I just recently read up on the Tim Burton Su

    by southafricanguy

    perman film, I cant remember if it was going to be called Superman Lives or SupermanReborn, but fuck me did that fil sound like a stunning train wreck. I almost wish it had gotten made, I think its awfulness would have been legendary...

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:06 a.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Morning bro!<P>I think Burton doing Superman would have been an unmitigated DISASTER. Burton's style was fine for Batman, but no way could he do a good Superman movie, especially not now when all he really is now is a window dresser.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    And fraklyI think that leaked picture of Nic Cag

    by southafricanguy

    e as Superman may well have been real because apparantly all the designs were being done by Toy companies, and thats what that picture looked like. We would have gotten a Jack Nicholson Lex Luthor, a Chris Rock Jimmy Olsen, and more insane ideas from Jon Peters than you could count...

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Rouge66....good evening my friend (its almost

    by southafricanguy

    midnight here in Korea). I agree totally dude, it would have been a giant clusterfuck, but Burtons innaproipriteness would have almost been the least of the problems if you go read up on its development...

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Luthor HAS NOT been overdone. He has just never been done the right way in the movies. Make him the billionaire industrialist who the people of Metropolis think is a good guy, but who is really downright ruthless and evil.<p> Make him a match for Supes brawn with his money, influence and intelligence.<p> Make Supes/Clark and Lois the people who know the truth about Lex. And it's only Supes that stops Clark/Lois being silenced forever by the nefarious Lex.<p> If done right it's like a wonderful love/hate triangle that just KEEPS ON GIVING!<p> And of course in the sequels it can always be Lex's actions that (accidentally or otherwise) are responsible for the summoning of some of Supes greater foes to Earth.<p> Same with the origin story. It can be done again, differently and with much more impact. Get INSIDE some of Kryptonian life. Let us understand why Zod is a real threat rather than just show him doing one thing bad on Krypton and going "He's bad Mmmmmkkaaaay!"<p> Why not make Zod of ambiguous morality, a dissident who is against Kryptonian society, the council and Jor-El but not necessarily wrong.<p> So when he rocks up on Earth he presents a moral challenge to Kal-El rather than just a rock-em-sock-em punching bag.<p> Zod's outlook is so different to the teachings of Jor El that Supes has to question a few things.<p> Maybe Zod falls under the influence of Luthor and is 'played' like a sucker to try and get rid of Supes, the only thing getting in Luthor's way.<p> Finally Supes is left with no choice but to destry Zod as he is getting out of control, but in doing so he ends his only chance of having a 'brother' here on Earth and this is where he makes the decision he is no longer just a Kryptonian, but a defender of Truth, Justice and the AMerican Way right here on Earth.<p> Fuck it, hire me to write it!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Bale did not fuck up Batman


    He DID however, royally fuck the Terminator franchise...well, him, McDouche and Bland Worthington. Yea great choices for Terminator. Way to fuck shit up assholes.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Every nerd on this talkback is deluded

    by IG_89

    if they think the studios care what we think. There's no such thing as respect for character or storytelling any more. Unfortunately, the formula for a film like Superman these days is "minimum expenditure + maximum merchandising opportunities = success". That's the way of the world & no matter how much cooler a million other Superman films could be we're not going to get them. Superman I is the first film I remember seeing at the age of 5 (yeah I know, I'm old) & I've been a huge Supes fan ever since, so it breaks my heart to say it - but we just don't matter.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Fuck Tim Burton.

    by shutupfanboy

    Kevin Smith is pretty dead on target why that Superman was not going to work. No flights, no tights is fine for Smallville, not really considering how the show is a joke, but it doesn't work for a full film. I am not a big fan of Birthright, it felt like they tried to shove some Smallville stuff into it when they should have just ignored it altogether. If its like JMS' current run of him helping people out while showing that Clark is not as unrelatible as people say. Personally, I would prefer a non-origin story, but its something we haven't seen before since Smallville barely acknowledges other states let alone other countries.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Bale / Terminator

    by DVaderRIP

    Hardly what I'd call a fuck up. A mediocre film, yes, but I've seen a hell of a lot worse

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Well SAG

    by rogueleader66

    Morning here, bed time there...weird. I dont love or hate Snyder, he's just there. I enjoyed 300 and Watchmen, but his style does not seem like a perfect fit for Superman. Sure the movie will have a comic book feel to it, but Superman needs to be more than just a good looking film. I hope Nolan can mentor him into making something great. I am not as pessimistic as Asi, I think it has potential to be good. But time will tell, as always, I reserve judgment until I actually SEE the movie.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Sure there has been worse


    But this is fucking Terminator, and when TS was worse than T3, you have a problem. THE CHOPPAH actually liked T3, but the flaws so evident in TS just took away the magic.<P>I went home after seeing that and kicked my dog and gave my cat to the local chinese food place, that's how upset I was.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    This is going to sound stupid, but Routh is now probably too old for the role. He's 30; sure he could do one film, but for the sequel he'd be 33/34, for the next one he'd be 38. Reality is that the economics dictate a 25 year old, someone who can do an 8 year stretch in the role and still look the part. Remember this is Superman we're talking about; not Batman.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    It still amazes me that anyone really expected anything from TS. It was McG for christ sakes. Surely we all knew it was going to be mediocre.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST

    It's been done. It's called

    by Powerring

    Smallville, and it's on tv already.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    shutupfanboy.....Burton would have made an

    by southafricanguy

    awful Superman al right, but Cage would have been a terrible Superman too. And frankly having read Smith's script, it was just ok, nothing amazing really imho. There were just too many things wrong with that production..

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Just use the exact script from the Lois and Clark pilot!

    by TheManWhoCan

    I’m not even joking.(well I am just a bit) Actually watch the 2-hour pilot and imagine it with different actors and 100X the production value, some cheese taken out and you have a very solid movie. Much better than emo Smallville is now. I couldn’t help thinking about how much fun that show was while watching the lame Cat Grant episode of Smallville the other day. Smallville has actually morphed into the same show L&C was, only worse on every level. L&C captured the light fun tone of superman perfectly in my opinion. The same tone that All Star Superman has gotten critics gushing over, only genuinely more entertaining. <P> I know it’s not “hip” or “cool” to be saying all this but I’m sure there’s plenty of closet L&C fans out there! <P> Can’t wait for Smallville Clark to just put on the suit on and fuck right off.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Dvader....welcome back friend. Why the fuck

    by southafricanguy

    were you banned? Anyway, amen brother, I knew it would suck as soon as McG was attached..

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Themanwhocan.....I remember really liking

    by southafricanguy

    that show back in the day dude. Dont know what I would think of it now though, but it was an entertaining show...

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I know Im going to get a lot of shit for saying

    by southafricanguy

    this...but personally for me, Superman has never been done right. We have had the perfect/definitive Superman in Mr. Reeves, but imho Donners films are very overrated (just my opinion, so please nobody jump down my throat) for everything they got right there were plenty of things wrong (Otis, Spinning the infamous,Earth backwards, the magic kiss, Hackman's Luthor etc...), and frankly I dont think they have aged well either. Superman 3 and 4 were just terrible films, and SR was imho a good film, but the wrong film to relauch the Superman series after having been away for so long. As said, Burtons film would have been a spectacular train wreck, JJ's script was utterly ridiculous. So where does that leave us? I say give Snyder a chance, with Goyer, and Nolan involved, we may just get a different Superman film for a change....

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    I am with you on this dude, I will give it a chance, despite what anyone may think of Snyder.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    I'm with SAG. Sure, I like Donners movies but I think they are waaaaaay over-rated. And Supes II really goes to shit after a promising start (yeah I know, Donner / Lester et al...).

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST



    Derek Jeter for Luthor! Go Phillies! Yuck the Fankees!!! DEREK JETER GAVE JESSICA ALBA HERPES!!!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Superman 1 & 2

    by DVaderRIP

    For me, everything about Superman the movie was A1 5* perfect until the 'Superman goes back in time' scene - biggest deus ex machina EVER. <p>Superman 2 was around 65% awesome, 35% shit. The magic kiss was another poor DEM, but what the hell was that plastic Superman sign he pulled from his chest???

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    So they want to do CLARK- THE MOVIE?!?!?!?

    by geodesigns

    No. Bad idea. Allow DC Editorial staff some power over the story--plot approving privaleges. A director may claim know what a good movie may be, but DC Editorial can give the director the plot of a GOOD SUPERMAN STORY (see Singer's disaster SR for lessons learned on what NOT to do.) WB fucked up SR, and now they want to do Clark- The Movie?????? They still don't know what fans want.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Superman 3 & 4

    by DVaderRIP

    Whilst I enjoyed Superman 3 when I was a kid, it hasn't held up. The ratio flipped again - this time 20% good, 80% shit. I liked Lana, the 'bad superman' sections were OK, and the whole 'steal all the 0.5 cents' plan was alright. But the rest was mediocre.<p>As for Superman 4, it's very rare that a film can have no redeeming factors whatsoever, but somehow that manages it. An actual waste of celluloid.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:16 a.m. CST



    Anyone know? Also heard a rumor of a Watchmen Origins: Rorschach movie. That would be the bees knees!!!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by TheManWhoCan

    You should check it out if you catch a repeat on Tv, Especially the first season. I remember how everyone was scoffing about how lame 90's Lois & Clark was on a Smallville special on British TV channel four, 8 or 9 years ago (fuck). <P> Oh and D.Vader got banned cos of some bullshit last week in a RIP talkback for some editor lady who’s name most people don’t know/remember/really care about that Tarantino worked with and was fond of. . From what I've gathered (I didn’t see a copy of his post) he questioned Beaks on his hard-line don’t-speak-ill-of-the-dead-especially-if-it-means-we-won’t-get-freebees-from-Tarantino-and-his-friends policy. I don’t think Vader said anything that harsh, probably just wondering why the fuck Beaks was doing an article on a relatively unknown movie person that had just died. <p> Further proving that the writers on this site are compromised when it comes to their friends in the movie business like Tarantino/Rodriguez. Kissing their arse and running an obit on a (lets be honest here) relatively unknown editor. It was only last week and I’ve already forgotten her name.<p> Come to think of it, maybe Tarantino told Becks to take D.Vader out. But its probably just Beaks being a brown nose and afraid of what his ‘best fwend’ QT would see if he read through the talkback.<p> This site was gone downhill bad enough (the Yoko factor if you ask me) and most people like me only really come for the talkbacks and now we are getting banned for trivial offences.<P>

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Hitman # 34 goes into why Superman matters

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    Important reading for anyone making this film. Superman is the melting pot personified. And I don't think it's an anachronism to keep the Daily Planet as a paper. It adds an element of the underdog, makes Clark Kent a fighter in his own way. I think that was always an implication, given that yellow journalism was big some years before Superman was created, but it's more poignant to have Clark Kent take on a struggling industry. Which is not to say updates aren't out of the question. Perhaps cable networks are looking to hire Planet reporters. Perhaps Jimmy Olsen is working on the Digital Planet. Perhaps Perry is more out of the Watergate era Woodward and Bernstein model. And... The Planet of the 1930s was probably progressive for its time. You had an alien, a working woman, an openly Irish kid. I don't think it's a huge stretch if Jimmy's black (I know a couple African Americans with Irish last names) or gay if you get the right actor- Green Lantern went that way with Hal's sidekick Tom in the 50s and Kyle's assistant Terry almost 10 years now.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    In a Donner Superman documentary they talked about how they thought about making Clark a TV reporter, but it felt too flashy a role, and too exposed for Clark. Although it was done for a time in the comics.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Coming Attractions: Snyder's Superman notes (joke)

    by Rommel Catuncan

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST



    An American ubermensch fantasy created by two jews.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Superman Dam Fool

    by Rommel Catuncan

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Superman fighting for the American Dream?

    by AsimovLives

    You mean greed and financial thievery? Why would i want Superman to do that? Superman is supposed to uphold good.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST



    is clearly based on the American flag. Like it or not, Superman is Zionist-American Neocolonialist propaganda in defense of the State of Israel and the American hegemonic dream..

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I agree with you that Superman has not been done properly before. Not even in the much beloved Donner's movies. I find them pretty flawed. The first movie has a very god start at krypton and smallville, but goes to shit with the forced comedy villains and some pretty misguided "Superman saves stuff in Metropolis only". And i never felt inlove with Margot Kidder (aka Spielberg's Devirginator) as Lois Lane. The second movie, with or without Donner, are a sea of clownish dumbness with the ocasional good scenes. And Zod. Other then that, more and mroe i find myself embaraced watching those movies. Christopher Reeves, more and more i'm a fan of his work as Superman, he brough great nuance and instant likability to a character which is nthing but a cypher god. No small tak, that.<br><br>As for Snyder, i'm terribly disapointed by his choice and i have zero expectations about the movie. All that's wrong about 300 and Watchment can't stop poppuing at my mind. As for nolan's involvement in superman, as the next Batman movie looms fither, his involvement in superman will be lesser and lesser until he just will not be able to, because he will need to focus only on Batman, sinc ehe's co-writing, co-producing and directing the thing. And as Nolan's invoklvement will diminish, Snyder's will raise. and that's the worrying part right there. In the end, i'm quite positive about this, Superman will be a full Snyder's movie... for our sins!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    TYhat's an extremist interpretation and i don't buy that at all. Yes,the costume is based on the Union flag, because, like,, when Superman was finally give that costume, there was runnign about this very naive notion of ameicanism as the symbolization of all things good, which is not only naive but insulting to all other countries on Earth. As if there isn't other xcountries which share favour similiar with USA and uphold with as much vigour and vim. But that wassa late 1930s/early 1940s thing, i cna excuse because of the times, but toda,y it's unacceptable to still pull the "Superman upholds freedom, truth and the american way. that shit is no longer acceptable, not since after Vietnam War, Watergate, Reagan, Iran-Contra, Two Market Crashes, two Bushes and Iraq. The americna way is tainted. Just have Superman uphold truth and freedom. Suffices alread,y they are universal valous that everybody loves and desires to be uphold, no matter where in the world. To make Superman relevant, you have to make it UNIVERSALLY RELEVANT, and that can only be done by stripping away his americanism and make him universal. Superman for all mankind.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Routh is a very young looking 30 years old. When he hits 40, he will barelly look he aged a day. Most 40 years olds today look they barely left their 20s, anyway, specially actors.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Donner's Superman

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I didn't like that Superman's powers could be taken away and then returned inside the Fortress of Solitude by his dead parents stuff.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST



    SUPERMAN was created by American Jews whose parents migrated from Europe to "the land of the free." He landed on Earth in America and was adopted my Americans, therefore becoming and American himself. The Zionists who created him were afraid of impending Nazism and like Captain America Supes did his share of fighting the German Socialists. They took Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch or "Over Man" which Hitler had co-opted for his Master Race and turned it on its head by making an American Zionist Uber Man, hence Superman!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Sounds like another shitty idea

    by SithMenace

    for yet another shitty Superman film where he wrestles with his feelings. Superman isn't Spider-Man, being Superman is the one thing he knows he has to do. Save the emotional stuff for his relationship with Lois.

  • Choppah, how is it Zionist propaganda.I always thought Superman represented an immigrant ideal of integration and eventual acceptance. Isn't that what America represents. In essence Suprman represents the American dream, not some cockeyed Zionist agenda.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Was in a POLYamorous relationship

    by templar

    Damn ticker.Now somebody is going to think I'm against Poles.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm very aware of the "jewishness" of the creation of Superman. Superman's origin is quite similiar to Moses, including his dramatic birth and sending to a different land and being raised by adoptive parents, like Moses was. And the original superman, who couldn't fly, was pretty much a modern take of Samson but without the hair frailty. And yes, Superman is the ultimate emigrant story. Which is why i think any new Superman mvie should downplay his americaness/human side and play more his alieness, since, like, Superman is AN EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by templar

    Though Moses, may have been an inspiration,I'm sure there could have been other characters they could have used as model, gilgamesh and hercules come to mind, not to mention jesus christ (superman as a messianic figure)

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST



    The jews who created Superman dreamed of a Jewish state, which actually came about after World War II when the U.S. set up the State of Israel for the purpose of protecting U.S. interests in the Middle East under the guise of creating a homeland for the thousands of European jews who survived the holocaust. Like the jews, Kal-El was forced to flee his home and he migrated to America as many of them had also done. He is thus the ultimate immigrant and literally an illegal “alien.” The Fortress of Solitude is eerily similar to the Prophet John’s description of the City of Zion in the Book of Revelations with its crystal structures. Superman’s ultimate goal is to advance the American hegemonic agenda while installing the Fortress of Solitude in the center of the Middle East thus establishing the Zion Empire.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I thought it was about 2 jewsh kids from

    by templar

    New York, trying to make a living.Whether or not Siegel or Shuster had Zionistic aspirations, no one will know for sure.But I suppose any subject matter can be up for interpretation.Are there religious tones to the premise,one could argue that(Asimov did so). I could liken Superman as an epitome of a fascist concept.I suppose,if one had a enough guile and casuistry, they could probably link Zionism as Fascism or my all time favourite Apartheid.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST




  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    gone but not forgotten

    by savagedave

    Apologies for omissions.<p>Jehovahs Witness<p>D.Vader<p>RPLocke<p>Six Demon Bag<p>TakingScorpioCalls<p>ChocolateJesusMan<p>Daniel2010<p>Turd_rises_from_the_grave<p>Gabriel_Gr@y<p>nomoredirtyjokespleasewereyanks<p>yourSTEPdaddy<p>MacReady452<p>James_Joyce<p>Scarlett_Johansans_Breast_Milk<p>Cheeses_of_Nazareth<p>PRESIDENT BALTAR<p>paburrows<p>CTM<p>Double_DWhite<p>RJCoolJ<p>Dog_Eat_your_mom<p>Biff85<p>mushroom_borg<p>Stereotypical Evil Archer<p>Virginia_Woolf

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Jew or Jew-ish?

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Siegel and Shuster were two sci-fi fans who printed their own science-fiction magazine and originally made Superman a an evil genius who made a guinea-pig of a poor man during the Depression. Then the character evolved to become a good guy fighting injustice. I don't know about a deliberate Zionist agenda these two guys had but their experiences certainly influenced the character. <p> - <p> --<p> In Search of Superman's Inner Jew <p> "There was a kind of diffused anti-Semitism at the time, and it was better to use a good American commercial name to reach the wider public." Even as Robert Kahn had become Bob Kane and Jacob Kurtzberg worked as Jack Kirby, their superheroes reflected some of the identity they were masking, evoking Jewish concepts such as tikkun olam (repairing the world through social action) and legends such as the Golem of Prague, the medieval superhero of Jewish folklore who was conjured from clay by a rabbi to defend his community when it was under threat.<p> Years later, some comic superheroes would actually be identified as Jews, like Auschwitz survivor Magneto and — the Golem myth incarnate — Ben Grimm (The Thing) of the Fantastic Four. But despite the rumors, the Man of Steel is no Supermensch, says Pasamonik. "Superman is not Jewish," he says. "When Superman gets married it's not at the synagogue!" Pasamonik has not missed the heavy dose of Jewish culture Siegel and Shuster instilled in their character: baby Superman's passage through space in a cradle-like vessel and subsequent adoption "is the story of Moses," he says, adding that El of Superman's given name Kal-El is a Hebrew word for God. But with a Methodist upbringing and extra-terrestrial origins, Superman, says Pasamonik, is best described simply as a "non-Aryan" hero. <p> And why not? Non-Aryan describes most of the southern and eastern European and Asian immigrants that crossed the oceans with the Siegels, Shusters, Kahns and Kurtzbergs in the late 19th and early 20th century. For the Pulitzer-prize- winning cartoonist Jules Feiffer, World War II-era superheroes embodied the American dream shared by the countless foreigners. "It wasn't Krypton that Superman came from; it was the planet Minsk or Lodz or Vilna or Warsaw," wrote Feiffer in his essay The Minsk Theory of Krypton. "Superman was the ultimate assimilationist fantasy." --

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    The crystal structures you mentioned

    by templar

    were not in the original comic book.That concept was developed for the Superman movies and not from the source material.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Oh wow I didn't know all those guys were gone.

    by Rommel Catuncan

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    I think Superman needs to also play some basketball while on this walking tour. And do some dishes.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    The crystals

    by Rommel Catuncan

    That's right - Donner and his team came up with the crystal design after ditching the previous team's concept art.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    And choppah,I'm not agreeing with you

    by templar

    I'm just saying, if someone is looking for supposed connections,one will usually find them.Even if they are deluded and devoid of any "proof" whatsoever. DC Wiki Unlike the Fortress from the comic books, the movie Fortress was sparse and barren with no advanced equipment or trophy rooms

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    American way

    by oisin5199

    Just because Americans have lost their way, doesn't mean the American Way isn't an ideal worth fighting for. The problem comes when debates arise over who gets to define what that means. Just like Captain America fighting for the ideals America stands for, but not at all is he 'America, love it or leave it,' despite what Mark Millar would have you believe with the A not standing for France. Superman definitely still stands for the American way, as others have mentioned, the immigrant dream of freedom and prosperity. Look at the original Action Comics and Superman stories. He wasn't fighting supervillains. He was fighting corrupt politicians and businessmen (and anyone who abused power), mobsters and racketeers, championing the small businessman, the worker, the immigrant family. There's a reason he was a journalist. He would bust up the corruption as Superman, but then expose the truth as a journalist. It was vigilante justice that people feeling disenfranchised by their government and their law enforcement could look up to. Superman should still stand for social justice, in my opinion. That's my interpretation of 'American Way.'

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Set it in the 30's/40's and Gimme Giant fkn Robots !

    by smddoc

    They should go retro with the whole thing and either john Hamm, or Ben Affleck should be supes. And I want giant robots trying to take over the world goddamit !

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST



    oisin5199 is correct when he says that "Superman.... stands... for Social Justice." Superman's vigilante justice is just rampant liberal do-goodism gone terribly awry. A lot of terrible fascistic things were done in the name of Progressivism. Like the Marxists before and President Obama now "Superman champions the worker, the immigrant family." Superman, the ultimate illegal "alien" is going to save the world from the evil "businessmen (and anyone who abused power), mobsters and racketeers."

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    Yes he should also join a kibbutz and attend Burning Man.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    This is a part of Clark's life I've wanted to see

    by JT Kirk

    In Batman's origin story, we see a LOT of his formative days before he donned the cowl mainly because we needed to explain who he is and what makes him effective. With Superman, we've just been handed 2 pieces of info: he's an alien so he has powers, and he was raised by a nice gentile farmer family so he has honest American values. That's it! And it's made Supes somewhat bland in the mainstream pop culture, he's basically a god who slums it for the greater good. It's boring because the mainstream view of the guy doesn't think about who Clark Kent is, and that's who Superman is. Instead, they look at the 1978 film's bumbling, silly Clark and leave it at that. But what about Clark's journey from the farm in Smallville to the news desk in Metropolis? The Smallville TV show considered dealing with college but found it too boring so literally blew up the college and moved Clark right into journalism without any education or foundation or a knowledge of the world. That said, a movie version of Clark's journey backpacking across the globe probably wouldn't be satisfying to audiences hungering for larger and larger things to see lifted.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    That list bring tears to my eyes. It's our own Arlington. A salut for our fallen comrads.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    From Zionism to Socialism

    by templar

    When does he become a Libertarian ;D

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The americna way was lost when the americans lost their way. The americna way today is unending greed and financial maleficience. that's the american way nowdays. and it's not jsut the americans believing in that shit, it's spreaded out. That's the victory of the american way. It's corrupted and to try to repaint it in bright happy colours is not only deranged and out of touch with reality, it's even hypocrite. The american way died.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    JT Kirk

    by AsimovLives

    One question: if Superman was raised by a kansas farm couple, wouldn't he be raised as a bible-belt christian fundamentalist? Maybe the most unprobably thing about a Superman from the midwest is that he would have humanistic values. He would more likely be a fundie. And with his powers, he would think himself Jesus returned to Earth.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    A socialist Superman?

    by AsimovLives

    That's SUPERMAN: RED SON. Great comic too.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Osin,consumerism killed the American way

    by templar

    The American way like Communism, works in theory.Unfortunately there were those who took and maligned a pretty decent concept and corrupted it.You want to blame somebody, blame consumerism.And Osin, consumerism isn't geographically specific to America.It's a global issue. Like Gordon Gekko said "Greed is good,Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind"

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:17 p.m. CST

    the rumors about ZOD being villain....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    instantly made me fucking drowsy. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I realize he can be reinterpreted bla bla bla bla....but how about something we simply haven't seen before???

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Could Superman beat the financial crisis?

    by AsimovLives

    I'd like to know if even Superman could beat that monster.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Fuck yeah!

    by k_pilkington

    Snyder will knock this shit out the park. I just hope he gets to use plenty of super slo mo as that stuff is virtually balletic in it's majesty and visual sumptiousness. Oh and dump the Williams music....that shit be tired. Get MCR or The Killers to record the theme tune. Plus welling as supes.....I'm in line already.if not Snyder why no mention of JJ? He's our generations Kubrick after all and has the Midas touch

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Superman Vs. Bizzaro Vs. Lobo!!!!!!!

    by Dillactus

    It goes like this. Lobo chases Bizzaro to planet earth and all hell breaks loose. Superman intervenes then boom...a 3 man showdown!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    that would make a cool dc animated flick

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by Dillactus

    Yeah, you're right. That idea would never be taken seriously for the big screen, but i can dream, right?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Emo Superman Redux

    by Ultraman2000

    Based on the (admittedly sparse) plot description, this film seems wildly misguided. Not only is there zero dramatic tension to the notion of Clark Kent quitting his gig as Superman (there wouldn't be a film if he went through with it), this trope has been tried enough to be a fossilized cliche' (Superman II, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man 2, even Hellboy II to an extent). How about presenting a well-adjusted Superman facing a serious world-threatening crisis for once? How about showing Superman's smarts and humor a' la All-Star Superman? How about creating the sense of a Superman family with Lois, Jimmy and the other supporting players? How about a simple, but engaging human Superman instead of the Christ figure we've gotten since the Donner years?

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    My casting choice for a young Superman

    by ufoclub1977

    Hunter Parrish. He's got those unreal almost to perfect proportions to his face (like Christopher Reeves had), has the physique, and just needs the hair dye. I think his eyes are blue too. He's young though. I might be biased since I think Christopher Reeves was as great a casting miracle in the first Superman as Robert Powell was in Franco Zeffirelli's "Jesus of Nazareth" The power of casting that semi-unknown perfect person is worth millions!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Asimov, Kents aren't fundamentalists

    by leo54304

    In all the decades Ma and Pa have been in the funny books, they have never been portrayed as fundamentalists. Heck, taking in an illegal alien as one of their family and keeping him safe after his powers came to the front is proof enough just how progressive their thinking is.<br> <br> As far as all midwesterneres being all fundalmentalists is also wrong. Remember it was bible belt Iowa in the democratic caucaus that went with Barrack Hussein Obama and put him on the path to the white house. All fundamentalists aren't the wingnuts that are hijacking the GOP. Many are good, decent folks.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    CHOPPAH is supes uncircumcised?

    by leo54304

    If so, how did he avoid the knife from the "fundamentalist" Kents?<br> <br> "Darn it Martha, thats the third knife I broke on Clarks dick!! The hell with it, let him keep the damn foreskin."

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Thank You!

    by THX1968

    I could not have described my distaste for Snyder's work any more succinctly than you have, Mr. Merrick. Very flat. However, I do think "Watchmen" is his best work to date. Still, I was hoping for Duncan Jones.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST


    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    If America is so awful, please feel free to stop frequenting an American website discussing an American superhero character being made into an American film by Americans.

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives,that is

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by ForgetfulPete

    who WOULDN'T want a whole two hour superman movie where Clark uses his powers even less than in SUPERMAN RETURNS! Fewer powers, no costume, no abilities - THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LOVE SUPERMAN!

  • Oct. 7, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by ForgetfulPete


  • Oct. 8, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Well, I dont agree with the American way

    by southafricanguy

    about greed, we could argue that greed exists everywhere and always has as part of human nature. Was it not greed that led to European colonialism in part? Or the Spanish conquistadors to destroy the Inca and Aztec civilizations in thepursuit of gold? I agree with the other dude that said it depends on whose definition of the American way is accepted as such. And Leo is right, not all midwesterners are fundamentalists, and the Kents are nt either. I always saw the whole point of Kal-El being raised by the Kents was that they were decent, good people first and foremost, not that they were American.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    But im sure we can all agrre on one thing

    by southafricanguy


  • Oct. 8, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Rouge66.....hey buddy, im still waiting for that

    by southafricanguy

    email explaining why you were banned...

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Asi.....just for fun, what would you have prefer

    by southafricanguy

    red? The Burton Superman with Nic Cage and doing the death of Superman storyline? JJs script Superman:flyby directed by McG or Brett Ratner (both were very close to doing the JJ script), or The man of steel being done now by Snyder?

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Personally I think we were lucky to get Singer

    by southafricanguy

    's SR despite its flaws...

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 2:09 a.m. CST

    America doesn't have a monopoly on corruption


    the banker gangsters aren't doing anything original. Humans that get into power always become greedy and fuck up society and start oppressing the weak so they can buy shiny cars or a really nice stone palace on a hill with 10 hot slave whores that polish their balls while they have decadent homosexual sex with their servant boy. This is Asimovlives fantasy, even he can be corrupted. So if you are Asimovlives don't throw stones because you would love to be an American republican senator who takes bribes and has sex with 12 year old boys that are provided by a government contracted corporate sex trade ring.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    After 8 years of Bushie Jr, a christian fundamentalist as good person is as hard to believe they exist as any mythological creature like the unicorn. This is why Ma and Pop Kent as humanistism is, by far, the most fantastical element in Superman. There's very good rational and reasonable arguments to why aliens might exist, but not for good fundies.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 4:46 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    But it was the USA which created the financial crisis that we live today, due to the institutionalized greedy ways and the fucking social support and state inaction it gets. Thanks for all this shit, buddy. From the bottom of my heart, and i think i can speak for all foreigners on this, fuck you very much. This is where Superman would really come in handy, not to save kitties from trees, catching purse snatchers or lifting heavy boulders.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 4:55 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I don't know if there's jews in Kansas, but i do know there's quite may of them in Minesota. The Coen Brothers are from there, for instance.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Superman's Bar Mitzvah

    by AsimovLives

    Now that would be a party to attend.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    As the old saying goes, and i paraphrase, four wrongs do not make a right. I'd prefer none.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 5:18 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The internet is global. About time some americans start to realise that fact.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Anybody read SUPERMAN: RED SON

    by AsimovLives

    It's a comic that posits the premise that if the pod that brough Superman to Earth had arrived 8 hours earlier it would had crashed on Ukraine in the early 1930s. Superman, while he still is a fundamental good person, becaue he was raised in an stalin's USSR, his quirks of personality are different, and he has a far more desire to do direct action in to the betterment of humanity, not just from saving people from catastrophes, but to actully lead the country as a benevolent dictator. Of course contestation rises, and one of the most proeminent rebel is this vigilant who keeps saboutaging the system and strike the goverment institutions, specially the state police. He does it because he's avenging the death of his parent who were kileld by an over-zealous KGB agent. Yes, he's Batman the commie version. Lex Luthor is still there as well, but because his nemesis is a soviet foreigner instead of a fellow american, and while he's still a sdevious, his actions to try to bring down Superman actually have good side benefits to the world.<br><br>Maybe it's my ignorance about all things Superman, but i think RED SON has to be one of the most complex portaits of ol' Superman i ever saw. Great read too. And the ironic twist at the end of the comic is nothing short of genious.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Juemad internet is universal,there are no boundaries here

    by KilliK

    and most of the sites are freely accessed by a worldwide audience.<br /> in other words,your suggestion is a big FAIL.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 6 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Right on!<br><br>One question: It seems to me that the only thing we do disagree with is if DH3 tabula rasa DH2. Other then that, we seem to be in agreement on pretty much everything.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Asi if we were agreeing on everything

    by KilliK

    our conversations would have been boring. ;)

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    how about a 1930's accurate origin story?

    by jameskpolk

    Go all captain America on it. Have Kent grow up just as Hitler and Japan become world threatening. He travels the world reporting WWII and blah blah blah...

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Too true.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 6:22 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Some people have already come up with a similiar notion, of a Supermna movie set in the 1930s. Personally, i think it's a brillant idea. Superman set in the stylistic 30s would be a treat. i'd love to see such a movie. But i wonder how much universal appreal it would have. Seeing from the perspective of a studio, it's the notion of spending 150 to 200 million dollars on a movie whihc, for some, might loo like an art-house version of Superman. I don't want to play the studios groupie, because i'm not, ut i can understand why they would hewsitate on such a prospect. I'd love to see on such Superman movie, though. I'm a sucker for 1920s/1930s style and fashion. The posh decades of the 20th century.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Imagine if Supes landed in San Fernando county in CA

    by leo54304

    the area in and around Los Angeles where most of the country’s legally distributed pornography is produced. That’s where a new adult video is shot every 45 minutes, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year<br> <br> Imagine him raised by a porn star and becoming one himself. Clark Dent, the man of steel. Think about it. Course he'd suffer from erectile dysfunction whenever kryptonite was around. He'd have a crush on Lois Payne, a female porn star dominatrix and his rival would be Lex Lustor. Yep its friday.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST


    by Sigourneys_Beaver

    Superman is vulnerable to magic. No Kryptonite, lets have somebody hypnotize him and let him turn evil and wreak havoc, not in a pussified Superman III way but really be a fucking bastard. Then figure out a way for him to redeem himself at the end.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I don't like the idea of magic in Superman

    by AsimovLives

    Beside,s if magic works so well agaisnt superman, then any african witch doctor or haitian voodoo witch could make Superman his bitch. Superman better never set foot in any third world country.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Asi...hey dude, hows it going? I got your ema

    by southafricanguy


  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I agree, magic should not be part of the S

    by southafricanguy

    uperman mythos. And it should nt really be a part of any very science or sci-fi based superhero ala Iron Man, Batman, Superman etc...

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST

    I dont mind a bit of supernatural stuff, just so

    by southafricanguy

    long as its not overtly magic...

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Btw you watch Tru Blood? Such an

    by southafricanguy

    awsome show..

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Red Son on the other hand..

    by Stalkeye

    ..would be more suitable for Darren Anofsky as oppossed to the "standard" mythos of Supes.And it wouldn't even require too much flashly action scenes.guaranteed to surpass Superman Retreads.(in both style and substance.)

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I always thought The Superman animated

    by southafricanguy

    series from the 90s was pretty damn good. Perfect portrayal of Supes and Lois Lane imho...

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You got my email? Cool! Now all it takes is for you to be online at the same time i am, and we can have a bit of a chat on MSN. I'd like that.<br><br>because Superman is an alien, i see Superman more as a SF kinda comic. I always felt a bit unconfortable in seing SF mixed up with magic and such. Doesn't seem to relate much.<br><br>RED SON could never be a mainstream telling of Superman, of course. No, i don't believe it would ever be made as a movie.<br><br>I have only seen ONE episode of TRUE BLOOD. But it was a mid 3rd season episode, which means, i caught it way, way very ahead. I have no bloody idea what's going on. i'd need to watch it from the begining. And i never start watching TV shows at the middle. For example, i refused to watch CARNIVÀLE, ROME, HOUSE and DEXTER until i got an oportunity to see them all from the first episode foward.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Do yourself a favour Asi, start watching Tru

    by southafricanguy

    Blood from the begining. Its a damn good series.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    That means i would need to buy the show's DVDs from first series on, and in this economy, i have other priorities, if you get my meaning. I'll leave it for happier times. But thanks for the recomendation, much abliged.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Superman TAS

    by Stalkeye

    SAG, before Timm's Superman animated series, I never thought much of the character.Flash foward to a few seasons of STAS,original video animation flims and not to mention Justice League my respect for Supes have increased twofold.Timm not only made Kalel vulnerable during a few battles, but also more "Human" especially during the final scenes of Apokolips Now".Timm,Dini and Mcduffle IMO made the best adaptation of Superman mediawise.I was hoping some of that magic would carry over to Singer's adaptation, but my hopes were dashed.I'm placing my bets on Snyder for a better take on the man of steel.<p>And Asi, of course a Red son film would never come to fruition, but if it did, I can visualize Darren's durection or to another extent Neil Blonkemp.Such a project would prolly be sutiable as an HBO miniseries.Just my opinion.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Glad to see the the Superman Animated Series love.

    by rbatty024

    That's probably my favorite depiction of Superman. If Snyder is able to make something similar to TAS, then I might forgive him for being a talentless hack.

  • Oct. 8, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST

    You guys are making me curious about Superman: TAS

    by AsimovLives

    I might check it out. Thanks for the tips.

  • Oct. 11, 2010, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Superman TAS is the shiznit

    by orcus

    The Origin episode had the little Orcling in tears