Herc Has Seen Tonight’s First New CAPRICA Since March!!
I am – Hercules
Notes on tonight’s “Unvanquished,” directed by Eric Stoltz from a teleplay by Ryan Mottesheard, are hidden in spoiler-cloaking invisotext.
* Time has passed since RoboZoe crashed and Amanda plummeted.
* The first shot is of Cylons being assembled. We’re told 1,000 per month are rolling off the assembly line.
* Patton Oswalt’s character jokes about the myth of Icarus.
* Daniel Greystone is introduced in a wifebeater, sucking on a bottle.
* We meet a pretty girl who hugs her mom too long.
* Meg Tilly, looking not unlike she does in “Agnes of God,” is introduced as Mother, who appears to be the pope of the monotheists.
* There appear to be quite a few monotheists on Gemenon, where Mother is headquartered. Did we see any on the Galactica? Did monotheism fall out of favor by Cylon War II, or were they just not allowed to join the fleet for some reason?
* We do not see a lot of young Willie Adama in the first episodes back. He appears to have been Boxey’d for now.
* The Adamas are around, and have stuff to do, but the first two October episodes focus much more on Daniel and Clarice Willow and young Lacey Rand. Stoltz, who plays Daniel, really seems on his game in next week’s episode.
* We don’t see a lot of Zoe either, but the conclusion of her one scene in “Unvanquished” carries an intriguing conclusion.
* Expect a lot of non-holoband violence in these first two episodes. A lot.
* The production design looks spectacular, even on these muddy DVD screeners Syfy provided. I look forward to watching again tonight in HD.
* I still find this series more interesting than most, but also less compelling than the one with the older Bill Adama. That show seemed to have a lot more on its mind.
* Maureen Ryan at TV Squad (bit.ly/aaQUv4) says: ‘the show's overall conflict basically boils down to a clash between monotheists and polytheists, but there's been little or no explanation of why there is so much animosity between the two factions.’
* Alan Sepinwall at HitFix (bit.ly/9RT1bA) says: ‘like the two “BSG” movies (“Razor” and “The Plan”), “Caprica” never feels essential. It’s a history lesson that only occasionally comes to life on its own. And those moments aren’t frequent or compelling enough to make me want to sit through the rest.’
* Rob Owen at The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (bit.ly/bD4NDS) says: ‘It may be time to throw in the towel on this one.’
10 p.m. Tuesday. Syfy.
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Oct. 5, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST
The Show does have its moments. But it doesn't really keep in it. I like that the other person said it wasn't compelling. It really isn't...sometimes.
Oct. 5, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST
I know invisotext has been on this site forever but please stop! Mobile web browsers can not see the invisotext. So this page can't be viewed by iPhone, iPad, android etc.
Oct. 5, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST
its no bsg but it does have its moments and looking at alessandra torresani aint a bad deal
Oct. 5, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST
They did a close advertising shot for the Jaguar (car) in the 3rd or 4th episode. It was already slow as anything but that just destroyed all believability and I was done. Much the same way I gave up on Voyager in the first season when an alien race on the other side of the universe had a pet dog (Chihuahua)...
Oct. 5, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST
you seriously can't come up with any critical thoughts about this that aren't a list of spoilers?
Oct. 5, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
I really can't remember, she DID jump off the bridge I think...can't recall. Loved BSG, but this is just...underwhelming
Oct. 5, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST
Just couldn't get into it. Caprica, on the other hand, I find strangely compelling. This means it probably won't ever see a season 2.
Oct. 5, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST
Tuesday 10pm will be a tough time slot for the show. Not only do they have to compete with the big 3 networks, they'll have to compete with a few existing big cable hits like Sons of Anarchy and Teen Mom.
Oct. 5, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST
Not to mention Owen. Are we watching the same show here?<p> Not compelling enough? Not as interesting as BSG? Caprica definitely isn't as tightly-wound or as high-stakes as the first season of BSG, but that's a little like complaining the West Wing didn't have as many dream sequences as Twin Peaks.<p> Caprica ain't perfect but Sepinwall and Owen seem very wide of the mark. For a start, there's a lot more interesting ideas here than in BSG and one suspects they will ultimately yield more than we got by the end of that show.<p> Secondly, it's clearly going for a different vibe than the frequently raw and gritty Galactica. I think it's still finding its feet and some storylines work less well than others, but Caprica still is more compelling than 95% of tv out there, even in today's relative golden age...<p> bottom line, I like Caprica for what it is and will be, not what it ain't.<p>
Oct. 5, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST
I find the show to be huge on ideas. Actually. they get to the very nature of what defines a soul and sentiency. It's pretty compelling actually. I can't stand the mobster planet shit myself but the stuff with the the V World and the monotheist terrorists is great.
Oct. 5, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST
and from the promos it seems like New Cap City is coming back in a big way. No one can die in V world, so there's no jepeordy. If they fucked that off, and concentrated on the political story it might be better. But the major problem with Caprica is the characters, the ideas are all good, but without characters you actually care about whats the point? <P><P>After 10 episodes of BSG we had loose cannon Starbuck, Tigh and Ellen the loved up drunks, noble Apollo, and the egomaniac Baltar. Caprica has the group marriage and the gay mobster, but while they're both interesting concepts for characters, the characters themselves are not engaging. Still, out of brand loyalty it has me for another few episodes at least
Oct. 5, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST
Oct. 5, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST
<p>Was, for the most part (aside from some bad episodes in Season 3) BSG episodes always ended on a cliffhanger that really made you pissed off you had to wait a week to see the end result. That's how invested you can get into a story and the characters living the story, you start thinking of their characters as real people and you invest heavily in the world that when a crazy cliffhanger happens you shout "holy shit! No way!".</p> <p>Can't say I care all that much about the characters in Caprica. It's a well made and well acted show, sure. But I don't have the same investment I had with BSG. For example, I didn't even know it was coming back tonight. If this were BSG I'd be at the syfy site watching and re-watching promos for the next episode just to kill the cravings.</p> <p>I don't think Caprica is even trying to be that same type of show, but it just seems like a disappointment to me. Maybe when it gets canceled I'll watch the series in order on DVD and just enjoy it that way. But BSG was an event, each week.
Oct. 5, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
The reason BSG was so addicting wasn't because it was about war or life and death situations each week. My favorite shows recently have been Mad Men, and the first 3 seasons of Nip/Tuck. Compelling drama, excellent dialogue, and well defined characters. Not many explosions or alien invasions. Though nip/tuck did have some murders and kidnappings and serial killers.
Oct. 5, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
they built her up as some kind of badass queen of the underworld (which would have been the only interesting thing on the show), and then something happened (I don't even remember), and she's out of the picture now? did we even see her once on New Cap city?
Oct. 5, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST
How many Space Fedoras in this episode? Six? Seven?
Oct. 5, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST
are slim. ratings below a 1.2 = death
Oct. 5, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST
Oct. 5, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST
There is a thick line between HIT and MISS on this show. The things that hit are hardcore scifi ideas that just do NOT show up on television. The misses are really bad. The gay toughguy, the depressed mom that is an insane liability. The prick dad. Overall, it is the slightest tilt towards good.
Oct. 5, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST
Oct. 5, 2010, 10:11 p.m. CST
I hate seeing things like trumpets and netbooks. Sure, these are supposed to be our ancestors, but I seriously doubt we came up with the same design of brass tubes to produce music and the exact same keyboard layout. Jesus.
Oct. 5, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST
how I missed thee<br> I tremble when you thunder by
Oct. 6, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST
If this show has a problem its that it has too many ideas and concepts all up in the air together... Too interconnected (almost incestuous)((Amanda is with the Sister Clarice while the Daniel drinks etc)) At least on Galactica you could pawn some off on second tier characters with some strengths.Sadly the supporting cast isn't as interesting as BSG's second tier characters like Doc Cottle , or a Tom Zarek. I mean, I like the Barnabus character and I like Marsters. Just give me more meat and less potato's please
Oct. 6, 2010, 3:02 a.m. CST
if you buy colonial society having developed suits and fedoras, cigarettes and english along with cars and trucks that are all definitely modern, in addition to a theology that is derivative of the Greek (except when they're derivative of the Roman such as the use of Mars) I don't think the trumpets are that hard to swallow. I mean, personally I don't have much of a problem with all of it, it's dealing with the resources they have and honestly I wouldn't want the writers to have spent a great deal of time developing an entirely unique set of instruments for the tiny amount of screentime they take up. I accept it as a way to tell a story with limited resources just like when I was younger I accepted that all planets in Star Trek look like Southern California (or have painted skies). Anyway, I had mixed feelings about tonight's episode. Still a lot of wandering, not a lot of direction. I was hoping for a little bit more focus with the departure of Jane Espeson. The depiction of Geminon surprised me... although I imagine it would be like getting your first glimpses of Italy by wandering the halls of the Vatican.
Oct. 6, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST
Definitely time to throw in the towel on this one.
Oct. 6, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST
This episode was completely all over the place. Which isn't completely the fault of the show as it is more Sci Fi's fault for taking so friggin long to air it. I agree also that it's just a little to late. I'm a devoted BSG fan but I found myself doing things around the house while this was on because I just couldn't keep focused on it. I just can't see this show saving itself at this point. One of the major flaws is none of these characters are at all like-able. Even the BSG characters at their worst had a core to them that we connected with. There was a small connection with Stolz character and his daughter, but it was just to weak. Sad too as I really like the Moore and his staff, but this show was just badly designed form the beginning. Way, WAY to much religion.
Oct. 6, 2010, 6:28 a.m. CST
last scene. Well played Caprica team, well played!
Oct. 6, 2010, 7:17 a.m. CST
Apparently most Hollywood writers think they could could write their own "Lost" or "Mad Men". "Caprica" seems to be trying to be "Mad Men" with robots. News Flash. You are hacks. <P> If Moore is pitching a new "Wild Wild West" I would guess that he has given up on "Caprica." <P> The Oracle sees cancellation in your future. <P> Very Sad. BSG up until its last season was a very, very solid show.
Oct. 6, 2010, 8:20 a.m. CST
Where the Cylons infiltrated the battlestar, and rushed to eject everyone out an airlock? Apollo and his new pilots raided the armory, and divided up the grenades? The Cylons turn the corner with bullets bouncing of 'em? Apollo dives under the last one and shoots his only grenade? The remaining pilots pelted with raining shrapnel? How totally awesome!<p>Yeah, Caprica sucks.
Oct. 6, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST
Was tired of seeing him as a bumbling idiot last season. Playing his boss to get another stab at his daughter. That was pretty great.
Oct. 6, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST
You don't see her in the new episode, but she is talked about at the very end. It appears as though she's having quite the affect on the people in the virtual world.
Oct. 6, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST
Remember when we all thought it was going to be about the creation of the Cylons and the build up to the first Cylon War? Yeah, those were the days.
Oct. 6, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST
in the writing of the show since the miniseries. And it shows. The miniseries of Caprica, while slow, did not feel like the overcomplicated mess that is Caprica right now. You can also see where he started focusing on other projects during the third and forth seasons of BSG.
Oct. 6, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST
....like "Plan 9 From Caprica".
Oct. 7, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST
SyFy (oops, almost typed Sci-Fi) is nuts if they think any but the most hard-core faithful audience could make sense of the "previously on Caprica" teaser after so many months off the air. (I guess that's why they ran a marathon all day, but my DVR only got the new ep.) I fell in love with the show by the end of the first run of eps but I felt myself straining to reorient myself. The network's "half season" scheduling strategy needs to be shown the airlock. As a "semi-season premiere" or whatever they call this, "Unvanquished" can't possibly, and clearly wasn't designed to draw new viewers after a long break. I'm not sure it can hold onto old ones either. If this show doesn't make it the break will be a big part of the reason.
Oct. 7, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST
How about you got to the offical website and download the 4 minute season 1 recap video and stop bitching?<p> Personally I like this show a lot. It's no BSG but it has some interesting concepts. Personally I love that Clarice and Daniel want the same thing but for different reasons, one moral, one monetary, both power. It's pretty compelling. And considering every single one of the new network shows suck ass, I'll be watching this for the forseeable future.
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