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Updated! Zack Snyder To Direct The Re-Rebirth Of SUPERMAN! Villain To Be General Zod!
Beaks here...
Update 4:37 PM PT: Geoff Boucher of the LA Times' "Hero Complex" blog gets the first comment from Snyder. Nothing revelatory, but this is quote is fairly interesting...
“I think he is viable, yes,” Snyder said. “He endures. We all want to know, ‘How will he come to us now?’ He is the biggest and the baddest of them all. The greatest of them all, right? We all want to know how the next chapter takes shape. I want to know how it will take shape.”
Update 4:03 PM PT: This just in from The Hollywood Reporter's Borys Kit: Superman's villain in THE MAN OF STEEL will be General Zod!
Deadline's Mike Fleming has the scoop! As probably should've been expected, Warner Bros. has brought together its two geek-friendly visionaries - Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder - to reinvent what should be the studio's most valuable franchise after the HARRY POTTER series concludes. It's hard not to get giddy at the thought of a Snyder-directed, Nolan-produced SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL. The screenplay is being written by David Goyer, and it's expected the film will be completed in time to clean up during the 2012 holiday season.
Looking over the directors who were allegedly in the running, it appears this gig was Snyder's to either lose or turn down. Though I would've been interested in seeing what Duncan Jones, Darren Aronofsky or Matt Reeves might've done with the character, the studio needed a filmmaker both comfortable with working on a large scale under crushing expectations, and capable of delivering tentpole production value. That's why this was only ever going to go to Snyder or Tony Scott - with Jonathan Liebesman lurking as a dark horse (provided BATTLE: LOS ANGELES lives up to the Comic Con hype).
Now the big question: does this mean THE MAN OF STEEL's tone is going to be darker than, say, Supes getting hammered and straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa? I hope not. Though Snyder and Nolan clearly share a pessimistic view of human nature, Superman should - for now, at least - appeal to our better angels. This appeared to be the direction in which Goyer was headed when he took on the scripting chores - and I assume it still is. It's just very easy to see Snyder and Nolan working each other into a nihilistic frenzy. Maybe that's the Superman we deserve today.
What do you guys and gals want to see out of a Zack Snyder-directed, Christopher Nolan-produced, David Goyer-scripted Superman?
“I think he is viable, yes,” Snyder said. “He endures. We all want to know, ‘How will he come to us now?’ He is the biggest and the baddest of them all. The greatest of them all, right? We all want to know how the next chapter takes shape. I want to know how it will take shape.”
Update 4:03 PM PT: This just in from The Hollywood Reporter's Borys Kit: Superman's villain in THE MAN OF STEEL will be General Zod!
Looking over the directors who were allegedly in the running, it appears this gig was Snyder's to either lose or turn down. Though I would've been interested in seeing what Duncan Jones, Darren Aronofsky or Matt Reeves might've done with the character, the studio needed a filmmaker both comfortable with working on a large scale under crushing expectations, and capable of delivering tentpole production value. That's why this was only ever going to go to Snyder or Tony Scott - with Jonathan Liebesman lurking as a dark horse (provided BATTLE: LOS ANGELES lives up to the Comic Con hype).
Now the big question: does this mean THE MAN OF STEEL's tone is going to be darker than, say, Supes getting hammered and straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa? I hope not. Though Snyder and Nolan clearly share a pessimistic view of human nature, Superman should - for now, at least - appeal to our better angels. This appeared to be the direction in which Goyer was headed when he took on the scripting chores - and I assume it still is. It's just very easy to see Snyder and Nolan working each other into a nihilistic frenzy. Maybe that's the Superman we deserve today.
What do you guys and gals want to see out of a Zack Snyder-directed, Christopher Nolan-produced, David Goyer-scripted Superman?
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But unless the script is absolutely shit hot this will be pretty mediocre stuff shot in slow-mo.
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so it'll look great but have soulless shitty acting. great. who directs the next reboot after this one sucks dick?
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...Norman Wisdom has died. Legend.
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Now there was a comedy genius..
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I think Zack can pull this off, especially under Nolan's guidance. BUT PLEASE NO SLOW-MO!
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Snyder hasn't put one convincing emotional moment on film yet.
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He truly was a great man
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This is most definately cool news
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I for one LOVED Watchmen (book and movie) so I have no beef with letting Zack take the reins. Ultimately, in Nolan I trust.
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I think he'd be a good choice.
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He's too stylised, I guess that's a good thing thou as Superman needs a new look, he doesn't lend himself to different transition as easily as Batman thou so this'll be interesting..
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"Mr Grimsdale!!!!" Comedy hero.
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Maybe we'll see some fucking action for once.
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is in Sucker Punch
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Snyder is a terrible filmmaker. period.
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Snyder makes films that look nice but that's about it. They are hollow, lifeless husks with no heart and Superman is all about heart.
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Nolan's a retard. Good choice man.
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Are you fucking kidding me?! "Visionary" director Zack Snyder, my ass. As a HUGE Superman fan, I say: BOOOOOO!
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I'd rather have had Tony Scott. Honestly, I don't think Snyder's made a single good film. A few nice scenes, sure, but a whole narrative...
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I bet Singer is laughing his ass off. Warner Brothers have been worrying about how to improve on Singer's film, and they have all but guaranteed that the next film is going to be a step down from Superman Returns.
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No crystal Fortress of Solitude, though.
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Great news! this superman will truly be a feast for the eyes. 300, watchmen and Dawn of the Dead are all top notch, can't wait to see what awesomeness Snyder puts forth. if Nolan believes in him, the rest of the naysayers are instantly TRUMPED.
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I'm a fan of Snyder.
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Mathew Bomet would do pretty well. Fuck all this "Hamm" talk.
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Why recast? He was the perfect Superman. Henry Caville, DJ Fontana, Matthew Boomer, Jared Padalecki, and the other wannabee Superman don't hold a candle to Routh. The is nothing wrong with having him return to the role.
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Correction
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nolan is fine, but man can his movies drrraaaaaaaaaaag........
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Nolan's presence still leads me to believe that this will suck
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About f'in time they get a real action director! I'm so stoked!!!
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Supposedly David Goyer offhandedly remarked the idea to Chris Nolan who thought it was unlike anything previously done with Supes. Has anyone heard any rumors as to what this "fresh take" is? Any guesses?
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All that gold to be dug in villains and Lex always gets pulled to the top of the well!
Bring in Doomsday / Darkseid / even Brainiac for some serious action please!!
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STARGATE UNIVERSE IS AWESOME!!!
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Snyder?!
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I think this is a good choice. Snyder is heavily influenced by the Wachowski Bros. and Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions have the best superhero, Superman-type aerial battles ever. In fact, the Wachowski Bros. would have been a great choice as well.
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this is a Spielberg job people
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whoever that is
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will be back never. he's got about the same chance as Reeve, well slightly less actually. it's not his fault, he was instructed to mimic the master. but that's all out the window (thankfully).
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Not Superman. Shave that head and let him play Lex.
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...he should play Roland in Ron Howard's "Dark Tower" movies.
Routh should stay in the "where are they now file". Get a new guy for Superman and make him not such a pussy as Routh was. And if anyone says "Gerard Butler" they are dumber than shit. -
I'm one of the few who wouldn't mind giving Singer another shot - his spiritual take on the material was flawed, but inspired. Snyder's style seems much better suited for Supes, tho.
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Watchmen was pretty good.
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for clark and lois
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lets hope not.
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metropolis is becoming more and more crime ridden. Kal el comes to earth and is raised my jonathon and martha kent. But because this is being produced by christopher nolan. things will be dark in smallville and Clark kent will be a brooding teen. He will be a cocky teen, great athlete, great student, gets the girls. then he gets to metropolis. where he remembers. the destruction of krypton, he goes underground where to become a vigilante, he takes down metropolis's crime gangs. general zod came to earth before kal el. and the film will mirror both characters. Gen Zod knows who kal el is and will at every turn try to unmask clark kent at every turn.
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i cant believe Nolan thought of Synder as "talented". they guy has no substance.
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Mentioning it on a Bourne talkback was not wise. All I got was one reply. "Who?"
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Yeah, great battles, but absolutely no narrative to be caught up in. Snyder is a stylist, not a dramatist.
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on what percentage of this film in in slo-mo? My money is on "too much".
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You know you want it.
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Oct 04, 2010 5:30:14 PM CDT
Problem with Superman Returns, all the contradictions
by thatswhatshesaid
-If superman gets his power from the yellow sun, how the hell did he take a space trip to another galaxy.
-If some guy can shoot a bullet in his freakin eyeball and it bounce off, why does he need to duck when chasing after a plane and the wing flies toward him.
-Why would he turn into superman by flying up an elevator shaft blowing a hole in the roof, when he could simply go outside and why the hell did no one figure out theres a big hole in the elevator.
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I didnt hate Watchmen, but I didnt love it either.
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...that is all.
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'is IN slo-mo'.
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Everyone bitched about his collaboration with Goyer for Batman, but that didn't turn out too badly did it? Nolan knows Snyder can direct action, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ghost directed the actors (which is definitely Snyder's biggest weakness). Its gonna be good everyone, just calm the fuck down.
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Please please please please please.
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Chris Nolan has great taste. He knows how to make movies work, and his films have been very diverse so he can adapt to this. I think the intellectual Nolan mixed with the hyper stylised Snyder can make something unique. Also, I thought Watchmen was great; i can see this really working
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But with a reasonable script, and Nolan producing, he seems like a pretty logical choice. The superhero genre on screen is not insignificantly substantiated by design, in the visual, the sensory. I haven't been particularly moved by the stories he's told, so far, he seems too beholden to Cambellian cliches and cheesy K3WL!!1isms, but if there's a place to render those as sincerely as possible it's with the iconography of the Man of Steel.
I wouldn't have minded a more textured, crafted pitch at it, aDunan Jones, or Aranofsky, but it's a compromise I'm curious enough to endorse.
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Though Zemekis’s name had me excited for a bit there. Wow, Snyder. Can’t wait, here we go again TBer’s! Good times ahead. Lets hope they get the damn costume right this time, because I HATED the one in Singer’s. But there is a little part in me that would like them to bring back Routh, he did a great job, he’ll do even better with a director like Snyder.
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Nolan and Synder dont mix. too different people
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Oct 04, 2010 5:33:55 PM CDT
"I wouldn't be surprised if he ghost directed the actors"
by the_motorcycle_boy
I wish! Nolan will be making the new Batman at that time; he'll surely be too busy. In fact, I hope his involvement with this film doesn't affect the quality of the new Batman film. Nolan has always concentrated on one film at a time until now.
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solid choice. he's the only director out of the bunch that can make me excited about seeing a revitalized Superman. should be way different than the other movies which is what it needs. he's going to need to step up his game in the writing and drama department though to really knock this out of the park. good luck, I'm jealous, this was my dream job.
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this guy Synder is just style!
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Come on movie Gods! Make it so!!
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Persoanlly, I think this is good news. I agree he'll have to restrain himself from going crazy with the slo-mo, but he's got a great eye. I think it's a good choice.
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You mean other people's visions, right?
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Snyder is one of the greatest visual directors out there. I love "Superman Returns", but now, I really want to see this new take on the iconic character.
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He'll probably make it Watchmen style, mixing formats, so it might have some cool camera angles and direction. Any of the directors in line for this film could take it in a unique direction. They should give it to a different director each sequel.
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Snyder himself has admitted that he doesn't get Superman, that he doesn't know how to make it work. Nolan has similar things in the past, saying he doesn't know how to make it work. Then you have Goyer, who's writing this thing, who believe there needs to be some "twist on the legend" to make it work.
That's three guys, the director, the producer and the writer - who either don't know how to make Superman work or feel they need to change Superman to make it work. Do you know what this reminds me of? Tim Burton, Nic Cage and Jon Peters. Yeah, Superman Lives.
Or JJ Abrams, Jon Peters and McG (later Ratner)...you can't forget that one on this site - Superman Flyby.
We've been through this. It got so bad that Warners settled on a film that continued the Reeve films and gave Superman a son. I liked that film but it wasn't what the world was waiting for.
Now we have a situation we had for a decade where the people in charge feel they need to make big changes or don't really know how to make it work.
Then you have Snyder himself who is all about style over substance. Frankly that choice surprises me and I get the feeling that the choice was made by Warner Brothers and not Nolan. I think it should have been Jones. He may not have the blockbuster experience but at least his Superman film would have had heart. -
Man, this is schadenfreude.
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Oct 04, 2010 5:37:24 PM CDT
What does Superman have to do with visual style??//?
by dioxholsterreturns
we need a storyteller not a visual teller.
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Seriously, get a real fuckin villain for this shit not another bald old man with a rock!
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Just for variety's sake on the Superman franchise. If we create the notion that Superman is a mythos with room for more than one vision, it will help solidify the idea that we don't need to tell yet another origin story. Snyder will do fine. Why not have some variation?
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Can we get yet another Superman film where Lex Luther is trying to make a killing in real estate by some nefarious plot where millions of people will die?
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Here on AICN everyone needs to hate something, this time is Nolan and Snyder.
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Oct 04, 2010 5:39:54 PM CDT
fuck this shit. this will be shit movie dont fool yourselves
by dioxholsterreturns
im not gonna repeat myself but we all know what synder is capable off.
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But for the love of GOD, let's have an actor over 30 for Superman. If it's some Pattinson-type boy/man I'm out.
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Snyder hasn't exactly been lighting up the box office after 300. That slow-mo owl movie probably won't even make up its costs.
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Really who cares for seeing some capped dude fly in style? i dont give a shit. i want a Superman told in a Spielberg way.
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they really need to give him a rest for a long while. Hopefully Nolan will make him do like he did in the Batman movies and start with some second teir villians and save Luthor/Joker for the 2nd or 3rd movie.
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and rightfully so.
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Loved 300 and Watchmen
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hes important
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...sure. Snyder has a flair for comic book stuff.
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I don't think anybody is disputing that. The film will have a very stylized look (albeit with dead CGI backgrounds) but I think there are questions about how much weight the story will have and whether we'll actually care about the characters.
I'm sure it will look cool seeing Superman punch someone through a CGI building while the speed changes and rock music plays - but will it have an emotional impact? Will I care enough to want Superman to win that fight? If Snyder's last three films (I've not seen SWAT) are any indication the answer is, sadly, no. -
Oct 04, 2010 5:47:00 PM CDT
Superman 3D Visual Porn ??? thats why they picked Synder!
by dioxholsterreturns
not gonna watch.
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But this film has just gone from one of my most anticipated to being a film I'll go and see.
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I'm sorry, but Snyder isn't even that talented with visuals. Look at that humpbacked guy in 300. His makeup was laughable. Every one of his films looks like a music video, and there are a million others out there who could easily do what Snyder does.
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I actually think that's a GOOD thing. Singer "got" Superman and look what we got - a love letter to the the Chris Reeves films that was all over the shop. Nolan, Snyder and Goyer are not Superman nuts and that will help them enormously. They'll go into this with a cool detachment to the material, and they could come up with something we've never seen before.
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They're still going to call it The Man of Steel right? Because that is the perfect title.
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How much power Christopher Nolan wields in Hollywood.
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Jimmy Olsen
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Let us not forget all your bitching and moaning when Nolan chose Ledger to done the Clown Prince of Gotham, who incidentally exceeded expectations unreachably higher than the levels of solvent emission in all your softheads.
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Why did anyone ever care about Superman? Does he appeal to some jingoistic "USA First" strain that runs deep in this country? I never understood the appeal until Richard Donner made his film. So why try to apply paddles in a half-assed attempt to defib the legend back to life? You want Superman? Watch the movie. You want more Superman? Good luck with that.
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Oct 04, 2010 5:52:47 PM CDT
SNYDER IS A GREAT CHOICE SUPERMAN NEED ACTION AND VISUAL STYLE!
by superwelling
AND SNYDERS GOT IT TOM WELLING FOR SUPERMAN!
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It's Snyder and Stargate sucks donkey balls. Can you do the decent thing, say something against the rules and get yourself banned please? Thanks.
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If he did why was the character presented as a morally dubious guy who used his powers to spy on a woman he had a one-night stand with, and try to steal her away from her (more heroic fiance)? Why did he leave Earth because some scientists *thought* that they saw Krypton still intact? Singer certainly didn't understand the character from my point of view. Nor did he get Lex or Lois.
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Alot of people said the same for The Joker when Batman Begins was announced.. Looks like the Spidey reboot will get Venom too..
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Superman won't fly with these clowns in charge.
There is little to recommend Snyder for this project. SWAT? Awful. 300? Stylized and gimmicky- inappropriate for Superman. Watchmen? Dark and stylized, inappropriate for Superman. Nolan? Dark and brooding, inappropriate for Superman. -
can fly in slow motion
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superman banging lois lane in slow motion on the daily planet to the tune of every breath you take by the police
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Oct 04, 2010 5:58:55 PM CDT
This will be gayer than BATMAN & ROBIN and SUPERMAN RETURNS
by nosferatu jones
...combined. Get ready for the single-most homoerotic Superman EVER.
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Oct 04, 2010 5:59:54 PM CDT
Superman is too complex for Synder the visual entertainer
by dioxholsterreturns
it needs an expert in human emotion. they all got Synder coz he did that Blue cock guy and they want the same blue cock as Superman
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THIS IS SMALLVILLE!!!
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Synder would make a kick ass visual-Superman... Duncan would have brought some real heart to it. Snyder has worked with WB forever and will probably make them more money with 'his' vision. Move on. If Snyder gets a good fast paced story then we're in for a treat. I'm on the side of 'show me something Superman hasn't done'. I'd love to see his teenage son throw him around the solar system in a rebelious rage! I mean, the kid's first act of superism was murdering a thug. Could be a awesome storyline there.
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Oct 04, 2010 6:01:56 PM CDT
Lex Luther is the defacto Metropolis villain not an outcome
by dioxholsterreturns
he cant show up all of a sudden in a sequel
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Both have been done to death, lets have braniac, doomsday or metallo, some real action for a change...
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First off, The Director's Cut of Watchmen is a masterpiece. You dopes who want to keep putting Snyder in the "style over substance" box should check it out 1st. The theatrical cut was rushed by the studio. Second, I think the overall problem with Superman is that people keep worrying about making him "relevant for today's audience" instead of just telling a great a Superman story. If they concentrate on that 1st and foremost(like Donner did) then they'll be fine. And YES, Superman does deserve to be a visual spectacle. He's the 1st and the greatest superhero of all time. Audiences should be wowed by the action sequences. It should primarily be a popcorn film. I understand the risk of this being a misfire since Nolan and company have stated that they doesn't 'get' Superman but hopefully a Tom DeSanto type will come along and give them the crib notes. It's not rocket science.
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we need background on how the character thinks. he is still very alien to us.
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Now keep Routh but hire Zoe Daschanel as Lois.
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Oct 04, 2010 6:05:54 PM CDT
People liking this will REGRET it the MOST!!!!!!!!!!
by dioxholsterreturns
cme back two years and cry here i know. im good at this.
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Fuck the haters
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he was meant for it.
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THIS IS AWESOME FUCKING NEWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. PERFECT FOR SNYDER.
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that is complex. Synder just cant handle this
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It's rumored Superman is 25 in this one. Hammer is 25 next year. He looks like Superman without looking like Reeve. He's hot off the social network. Right height and already more than halfway towards the right build.
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they got this right, finally. maybe we will see some action, instead of supes getting his ass kicked by luthor.
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He has done it for what 15 years now? And bring on the man who would be Superman Tom Welling!
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Snyder can deliver the visuals... I believe that. But can he bring the heart needed for a truly great Superman film? I sure as hell hope so. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed Snyder's work, but he's done a zombie film, a film about Spartan warriors, and a dystopian comic book tour de force (the comic, not the film...although I did like the film), and even though I feel that he did them all justice in their own way (and in his distinctive style), Superman is a completely different animal. So while I certainly won't take this as bad news, I do see it as a chance for Snyder to broaden his horizons and deliver all the blistering action he's known for, as well as the feeling hope that a film like this needs to bring with it.
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Im ok with this as long as he keeps the slofast cranking to a minimum - or better yet, doesnt use it at all.
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A Nolan-approved script with Snyder's fantastic visual style?
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I mean what the fuck? How can so many great directors get passed over for this moron on great comic progects as 300, Watchmen and Superman?
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"...feeling OF hope..." me tpye bad.
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Why Snyder?!!! Duncan Jones would've been awesome!! Snyder?! AW! Shit!
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Oct 04, 2010 6:11:35 PM CDT
Superman inner conflict should be denying his alien heritage
by dioxholsterreturns
then his indignation slowely makes him want to be alien.
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To see the genius result or the epic failure (I'm leaning toward genius result).
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why not do it right the first time!!!!!! Synder is so wrong for this, comon Nolan you dont want him either so why did you allow this?
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How about getting a real man to play Superman, someone over 35 who looks like he could be a dock worker or a truck driver, who could lift something for real, not some sappy boy who had to work out and take steroids to get the part. A little grey in the temples, like Alex Ross' Kingdom Come Superman.
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co-directing. Snyder taking of the visuals and action and Jones doing everything else.
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that is all.
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Oct 04, 2010 6:15:24 PM CDT
There is no "perfect" choice with this stupid property.
by mr. nice gaius
I really wish the whole Superman thing would just go away. It's a tried and silly story; one that just gets increasingly tiresome with each attempt.In all seriousness, comic book movies are already going stale and all these origin-tales and "reboots" are starting to take their toll on each subsequent franchise.Chris Nolan may be a great idea-man and Zack Snyder may be able to duplicate other people's artistic vision on film, but I find nothing compelling about the character of Superman whatsoever. In fact, I find him to be equivalent to cinematic Kryptonite.Anyway, I hope everyone is ready for another hyper-stylized CGI-fest.
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ok so zack snyder is gonna direct a superman movie produced by chirs nolan, and written by who? based on a story by david s. goyer, that's nice to know but is he gonna have a real villain for superman or is it just gonna be lex luthor with another real estate scheme. when they start talking about the story i may get a little excited or absolutely hate it
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As much as I dig the first two Superman flicks (and Returns...) , I'm more than willing to see a full on action-based Supes flick. Heck... I'm tired of thin, pretty Supermen. Give me a Superman that LOOKS like he can kick ass, for crying out loud. Just because we all associate the Donner Superman era with what Superman is "supposed" to be, it doesn't mean that is the only way to do it.
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a)It's SNYDER you moron
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I'm assuming yes
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Oct 04, 2010 6:17:10 PM CDT
Nolan's Craftsmanship + Snyder's Visuals = WIN
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
This is going to be great!
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I loved Singer's Superman and never understood all the hate behind it. But since Superman is being taken into a new direction under the guidance of Christopher Nolan, Zack Snyder is an ideal choice and the best in my opinion. I didn't even know that Zack Snyder was up for consideration so before this broke out, I was hoping Darren Aronofsky would direct. But now he can go and make another masterpiece while Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan make a potentially epic collaboration.
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Darkseid would have been great too but I'm happy with Zod. Perhaps the story can even be linked to a Darkseid sequel?
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I thought he did pretty well the first time around all things considered. It wasn't his fault they made Superman so wimpy and lame. Plus, it's been about five years. He's only improved as an actor since then.
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happy now?
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According to The Hollywood Reporter's Borys Kit, General Zod will be the villain in THE MAN OF STEEL. Awesome.
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Oct 04, 2010 6:20:46 PM CDT
General Zod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by dioxholsterreturns
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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I agree. Superman is pretty dull. I think they should do it as a period piece with Supes throwing gangsters out of windows and such. I love the style of the old Fleischer toons.
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In my own opinion. 1. Watchmen, in DVD sales, Foreign ticket sales, and domestic gross made its money back and a little profit. Though I'm not sure how it did on DVD, between here and the other world markets, it made a profit.2. He did Watchmen as much justice as would be possible without input from the writer of the original material, I think. Also, let's look at 300.3. 65 mil budget -- 210 million returned in profit domestic, plus whatever the hell the rest of the world forked over to WB (even with IMAX sales) the dude has an impressive resume.4.Dawn of the Dead -- Remix. Uh, again, the guy gets a budget, and turns a profit.And whatever the hell you guys think here, I believe, if you add Superman's name recognition on TOP of the fact the guy knows how to direct a profitable, crowd-pleasing flick AND his actual fandom of comics, the guy IS the right choice... in the eyes of those with the money to make a Superman movie that makes money.Now, if people here can't get that through their heads, that simple mantra: Money talks, bullshit walks. Then you're going to wonder why LOTS of things happen that you disagree with.Chris Nolan tempering the ADD of Snyder? Hell, on paper, that take on Superman could be very profitable indeed.
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You made my melon farmin' day. ^^
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Snyder is an amazing director, his visual style is simply amazing. we're not gonna get a shaky cam quick cut action scenes, Snyder loves us to take it all in. With nolan in charge you know the script is going to be tight. This news in erection inducing!
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But it's still has that Znyder hack at the helm
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Okay, my interest just went up...
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...for such a grand undertaking. I'm alright with this. However, ZOD? Superman has tons better villains than Zod. But I guess they want a sense of realism. I'm hoping there's more to this. Nolan is hit or miss. But at least visually, Snyder is spot on.
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They've gone straight for the jugular. Wise choice. I don't think starting off with a minor villain ala Batman Begins would have worked. Someone get Ed Norton on the phone pronto. So can we assume that Luther will be playing no part at all? I'm going to sleep now. Wake me up when its 2012 - Bat 3, MOS and Hobbit = pure geekasm year.
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Pray tell me which story is more important and primal than Superman?
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because your brain has technical difficulties
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what a hack
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just in time for the end of the mayan calender and civilization as we know it. earth = krypton
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Screw you whiny bitches who want to complain about everything. Remember, at one point Tim Burton was on board to direct this with Nic Cage as Superman. We also had the horrible Kevin Smith script – anybody who is complaining about this hasn’t done much reading about Superman’s troubles on the big screen. As bad as Singer’s Superman was (and I honestly don’t think it was too bad, it’s just that nothing really happened) it could have been a lot worse. I’m actually quite excited by this news, while Watchmen had no squid, it was still impressive as Hell. Besides, from an homage standpoint, you know at some point Zod is going to ask somebody to kneel – Terrance Stamp is going to be hard to out-Zod, especially to those of us who saw Superman II at a young age – it doesn’t hold up nearly as well as the original, but superman using his freeze breath and duking it out with super-powered bad guys back in the day kicked ass! So, any more complaining and I will use my “great wall of China” vision on you! (As shown in Superman IV).
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well, shit it's Transformers II. It's like porn in a way: you watch action sequence after action sequence and, sure, they look cool, but after a while they all start to bleed together and get boring. If 'surface' is all a film has then it doesn't really have anything (IMHO). And I agree that this does not need to be tied to Donner's vision in any way (although, I think it would be cool if they kept the old school score, or part of it). No reason for it not to be a new vision.
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Not Zod!!!! SUPERMAN HAS SO MANY OTHER VILLAINS WORTHY OF A MOVIE. Why is it always Lex and Zod every the time!? Doomsday!?!?!? Darkseid?!?!?!?! Metallo & Lex teaming up!?!?!?! Anything but another god damn version of Zod! Ugh......
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Zod? Not so much. Whatevs.
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isnt that right beaks?
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Whaddya mean? How many more times do you need to see the same thing?
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He said so in a magazine.
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and a shit, softcore sex scene. Just like his other films
Synder? Maybe. Dawn of the Dead is better than it has any right to be, parts of Watchmen are great, but 300 is one of the worst films I have ever seen. How people rate it I have no idea -
it's got everything that makes Superman wonderful. Check it out before you say anything else stupid about Superman being played out.
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ZZZZZzzzzz.....
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Did you see some alternate version of Dark Knight where the citizens of Gotham blew each other up on the ferries?
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Rather than landing in American Gothic, he lands in some horrible ghetto and is raised to be a master criminal, until he reaches adulthood, realizes his origin, and must choose between absolute tyranical domination of mankind and being, well, Superman
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Again???
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Better then that massive pile of DogShit they call Superman Returns, Man what a shitty Movie!!
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Nolan better tell Snyder not to overuse the slow-mo.Remember, BRIGHT RED, BLUE, AND YELLOW COLORS IN THE COSTUME! (NO PLASTIC S SYMBOL ON SUPERMAN'S CHEST!)Last but not least, make sure Superman believes in TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!
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Snyder lacks a light touch and a sense of humor, which I think Superman needs, at least in the Clark Kent / Lois Lane dynamic. I fear this will be more of the same tone as SR.
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will likely make a more homoerotic film than a gay man did.
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It's the greatest Superman story ever told. Snyder would rock it.
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who knows martial arts. lol
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going head to head? Holy fuck. December 2012 is going to be un-fuck-ing-believ-able.
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As many times as it takes for them to get it right. And when they do get it right I want to see a new one in IMAX every two years until I'm dead. All right?
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Can the film live up to expectations now?! If the film is about "Americana" (which Superman lend to) it needs to be a period film, set in the 50s.
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I'm now excited about Superman. I haven't cared since I was a kid. Now they have given me a reason to give a fuck!! Zack "Watchmen" Snyder doing Superman. Prepare for the second greatest superhero movie of all time. After Watchmen.
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at least Snyder is a good choice. Not sure abut the choice of villian though.
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"Oh God"
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The guy is poison. Batman Begins is a bad script, and thats just a fact, anything good wrung from it is Nolan. Other than that hes done The Invisibles, Blade 3, and the terrible Unborn. The man is a hack of Kurtzman and Orci levels.
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Expect that
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Would be a great Clark Kent!
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KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!!!!!
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I'm happy with the choice of Zack Snyder. Rather you're a fan of his films or not at-least he cares about the source material he's filming.
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Okey-dokey. I wish you much joy and happiness with that.
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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a giant, unexplained, and pointless cellophane S that Superman throws?
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hell Zod could be great. It all depends on who they cast. And is he the only villain or will we be getting another (as sometimes happens)?
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MOVE ON! Grant Morrison layed out the next film in All Star Superman.
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What happened to Braniac? How about using Mongul, Metallo, Parasite, or Darkseid instead!
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EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fuck everyone who complains that it's a different universe. Brandon was the right guy for Superman, period. Bring him back. Give him a real chance to play the Man of Steel.
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no inner conflict here. and i bet Zod will try to recruit superman how typical.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDFop0aqYQ
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Zack gets a lot of haters, but I for one think he makes great films. Hopefully they cast the actor right.
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WATCHMEN is an underrated film and he's certainly more fitting than Darren Aronofsky.
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Jim Cavaziel for Superman.
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There, now THAT's outta the way.
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He's way to old looking to play Superman.
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imo that and Hills Have Eyes are the only respectable horror remakes of the past decade, so that restores a little of my faith that this might possibly be good.
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Snyder is the guy I least wanted for this. I can't stand his work. He's a hack. 300 was melodramatic, homoerotic crap, Dawn of the Dead was dumb beyond words, and Watchmen lacked everything that made the graphic novel so good.
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Snyder speaks to Geoff Boucher of the L.A. Times' "Hero Complex" blog.No word yet on Ursa. Or Non (and whether or not he'll be caged).
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I kneel for no man!Well, except maybe Elvis...
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or Michael Caine!
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I liked him. Let him put his own spin on it, rather than make him beholden to Donner's vision. But we can lose the darker colors, okay?
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Though it's not an out and out origin story, I think that the people of Earth should be polarized about Superman to give him an overarching quest to earn their respect rather than always being adored. The destruction that results from his battles has to be infuriating. Still, however, he must remain a hero of optimism despite the sting his feels at his adoptive home's disapproval.
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Just please in the first 5 min. have him fight a big damn robot or a large monkey
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WE WANT MORE COMIC BOOK VILLAINS LIKE BRANIAC BIZZARO & METALL FVCK ZOD!!!
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about a Superman movie.
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Snydes????
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thanks to Synder
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Are you kidding?! The character's name is SuperMAN...not... SuperBOY.How can you guys sweat 20+ year old WB Network nancy-boys when Hamm looks like a goddamn Alex Ross painting?
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depending on of course who the villian is. Make Lex a part of the universe, mention him in passing or give him a cameo but for God sakes, don't make him the villian of this movie. And Tom Welling would make a better Supes than Routh. Just saying.
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it's very possible. Though I pick Russell Crowe.
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I'd be cool to Brandon Routh as Superman, although I'm not opposed to another. James Caviezel would rock as Superman.
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I'm not crazy about you helming this Zack, but you'd win me over with giving Dwayne the role he was born to play.
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of "It's hard not to get giddy at the thought of a Snyder-directed, Nolan-produced SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL." The only thing good about General Zod was Terence Stamp: "You are master of all you survey!" "And so I was yesterday... and the day before."
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And watch why Nolan hired Zack for Superman. Zack gets flying. The flying is going to be fucking insane in his Superman. I hope he does at least 2 of them.
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Oct 04, 2010 6:54:49 PM CDT
The only thing that would make this news even better is JOHN WIL
by mike_d
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Well, maybe not, but his "KNEEEELLL!!!" would be awesome.
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Christopher Reeve played Superman at age 25, so I guess he's a superboy in your opinion.
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every superhero flies nothing special jackass
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Keep The John Williams Score. Daniel Craig for General Zod! Man, This is gonna be good!
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As a big DC fan, I hate to say this. Marvel Studios takes chances while Warner Bros/DC Entertainment is run by a bunch of clueless people.
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"300" cost 70 million to make and made 400 million. "Dawn of the Dead" cost 30 million, and made 100 million. "Watchmen" cost 130 million and made 250 million. He makes stylish, cost effective movies that bring in audiences. All the hate is funny. Who should have done this? The guy that made the little seen "Moon"? So that his career can crumble before it even begins if he doesn't deliver? Snyder may use a lot of slo-mo. But guess what, he directs action better than Nolan. And all you people seem to love the fuck out of him. With Snyder we are guaranteed well directed action. All he needs is a good Superman, and a Lois who is feisty and instantly likeable. Not someone like Bosworth who is ridiculously boring. Good job WB. This is going to kill.
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Oct 04, 2010 6:56:28 PM CDT
that Sucker Punch trailer looks really awesome
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
but I didn't really like Watchmen very much. It was o.k., nothing to write home about. Same with 300, visually superb but story wise not very enthralling. Zod doesn't sound great either. IGN ranks him #30 all time villain, btw: http://comics.ign.com/top-100-villains/30.html With Nolan's guidance this could still potentially be great, though. With a good story, and some way to make Zod more interesting, he basically has the same powers as Superman, right? they need to spice him up a bit.
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It's already in the works. That's why smallville is ending, to allow Tom Welling to be Supes in the movies!
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Superman Returns no matter who directs as long as Brandon "Plastic fuck doll" Routh is playing Supes.
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....ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!? THAT'S ALL YOU GOT??? WILL WE EVER MOVE THIS FRANCHISE FORWARD???
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Oct 04, 2010 6:57:21 PM CDT
T-Minus 10 SECONDS BEFORE ASIMOVLIVES HEAD EXPPLODES
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
Asimov has finally met his match. R.I.P.
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LOIS' BARE BUNS WILL TAKE THE CAKE!
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Do not turn him into Batman who can fly. Superman is the opposite of Batman. Batman needs the shadows to exist, what criminals don't see is used against them. Superman doesn't hide, he thrives in the light. He has to defeat larger than life forces that go beyond Batman's capabilities. He handles threats that push the boundaries of the imagination. Those are the best Superman stories.
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Crowe as a supervillain would rock. Gerard can be pretty damn imposing as well.
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That's the movie I want to see. Supes punching clowns into red vapor.
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As much as I think he deserves a shot as Superman, it'll never happen. Bringing him on would bring all the plots and character arcs - good and BAD - to the movie. In the series, they killed Lex off!! At least in the Routh movie, he's either stranded on some island, or back in prison, and is a viable villain at some point.
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Yes, he was. Zod rest his soul.
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Too many people judging what hasn't been made by what has. You really think Snyder will make Superman the same way he made 300 or Watchmen?
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Are you kidding me? More Donner villains? When will they move forward? Why not Brainiac, Bizarro, or Darkseid? Why?
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Snyder can do no wrong after hitting it out of the park with Watchmen. Sucker Punch looks great. I can't wait to see what he does with Supes.
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Are making me nervous, but I'm glad Snyder got this. It's a good fit. I know people are tired of Luthor (although they have not done him justice in any of the movies. I would use him as a morally ambigous asset in this Zod picture, setting him up for later use.) I would recommend to Snyder and Goyer to watch the fuck out of 90's cartoon though. I don't think it's only the nostalgia tellin me that it was the perfect interpetation of all characters.
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Fuck Zod and fuck Donner's embarassingly awful Lex Luthor. Fuck Donner's boring fucking Superman universe.
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Or make JOHN KREESE BEGINS about Americas Greatest Hero! Vietnam Vet and Army Judo Champ. Introduce Terry Silver and Jonnie's Abuseful Father.$200m US (As per FRANZ SANCHEZ) budget with me directing
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A giant robot would be ideal. A fight with Zod would also be cool.
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Snyder & Nolan & Zod? I'm in.
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I've officially lost all faith in DC/WB. Fuck them in their fucking asses, fucking mother-fuckers.
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I don't want him for this movie, but just for the record (and this might sound a bit odd) I think he makes a great "Superman" and a piss poor Clark Kent. Seriously, the diatribes he goes on, the speeches he gives, the way he challenges other 'heroes' to be better (you know... by condescending to them? In speeches and diatribes?), all great 'Superman' stuff (ironic, since he's been playing Clark the majority of the time, and the other times we just get "Kal-El"). I just can't see him playing a convincing Clark (not necessarily Donner's bumbling Clark, but any version) that is far enough away from his 'Superman'.
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his movie's look dated 2 month's after there released. Did Nolan choose him? What. the. fuck.
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great, that's just what superman needs. Also everyone don't get excited because Nolan's name is on this...a producer credit doesn't mean this is going to be any good...spielberg was exec producer on TF2 so there ya go.
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Both in their 20's and over 6'4. Padalecki has a strong relationship with WB since Supernatural is a WB produced show and he has done a few WB movies. Also when he was cast in Friday The 13th, they had to try and make him look smaller than Jason since he was just as tall as him. Hammer was supposed to be in the JLA movie and is getting noticed in The Social Network... Either are better than Routh. That movie should be forgotten.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:05:02 PM CDT
How can they have great news about Snyder and counter it with cr
by superwelling
ZOD FUCKING SUCKS and is Boring as hell put a real comic book villian like Braianiac or bizarro in this movie!!
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Like the Snyder news, hate the Zod news. Fuck, did nobody learn anything from how shitty Superman Returns was? Why not some cool-ass, gigantor villian? Blech.
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I'm sure the movie will be fine.
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How about Darkseid? Or Mongul? Or Brainiac? Or Bizarro? Or Metallo? Or Doomsday? Fuck you, Goyer! You suck! You don't have a creative bone in your body, you fuckin' hack! Leave Donner's Superman alone already.
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...the man was right behind Chaplin, Keaton and Lloyd when it came to pratfalls. MR.GRIMSDALE!!! A legend.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:06:16 PM CDT
Hey Snyder, no jagged, uninhabitable real estate this time
by soylentmean
That bothered me the most about Superman Returns. Oh, and that they tried to make it a continuation of the Donner films.
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So long as its not another rehash of Superman 2 or another rehash of his origin or a quasi-sequel/prequel to SR. I'm trusting Nolan's sensibilities here, and I absolutely have enjoyed all of Snyder's efforts. 300 and Watchmen are among my personal pleasures, and DOTD was excellent in its own way. As for the plot, maybe allude to Brainiac or Darkseid gaining contyrol of the Phantom Zone, breaking Zod out of the Phantom Zone with an army of exiled pissed-off aliens and Kryptonians to soften up the Earth for an upcoming invasion. Could be interesting. Gerard Butler for Zod would be spectacular.
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Wasn't Jared in the running for Returns? Or one of Ratners/McG's attempt? I doubt he'd get it now though, it'd be a slap in the face to Welling and the Smallville fans.
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This is the year 2010, and these production companies have the ability to make any CGI character they can imagine, and we get fuckin General Zod AGAIN? FUCK that. I'm no superman fan, but I know that there are plenty of cool villains... Braniac, Metallo, Darkseid, even fuckin Bizzaro would be way more interesting than Zod. Jesus Wept.
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Why don't we just at some point in the movie want a Giant Robot Spider in it! Jon Peters sucks!!
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And awesome song choices. Say what you want, the movie will at least be interesting as hell if they let the guy be himself (although hardly the Superman film we have in our geek heads). Snyder has some signature elements in his movies. That's more than other members of the homogenized mess of young directors can say. Very good choice.
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he did a great job with a half shitty movie. superman returns was not his fuck-up. he did a solid job with it.
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I dunno about him being in the running previously. But there aren't that many taller/young actors out there. Padalecki is 6'4. I never watched "Supernatural", but I know his fan base is pretty vocal online. And I've only seen him in "House of Wax" and "Friday the 13th". But everyone gets a chance to surprise with a good role. Look at Lively in "The Town". As for "Smallville", I'm sure the fans will be salty is Welling isn't cast, but I don't think WB is going to put him up there. It would make "Smallville" a prequel to the movie and they did say it was a "Fresh Take". Also, Welling kinda let himself go lately. Not as in shape anymore. It's aged him and he is not even 35 yet.
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"And speaking of Zod being used again...
by Shermdawg Oct 4th, 2010
06:57:07 PM
....ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!? THAT'S ALL YOU GOT??? WILL WE EVER MOVE THIS FRANCHISE FORWARD???" My sentiments EXCALY! there so many awesome superman villains like Brainac! Bizarro and METALLO! fvcking ZOD AGAIAN? FUCK NO i WONT STAND FOR THIS RETREAD CRAP! -
I think Zack is a great film maker. I thought "Watchmen" and "Legends of the Guardians" were both wonderful movies, loved them a lot. I think WB's picked him because they clearly loved what he did with "Watchmen". Honestly, "Watchmen" did kind of feel like a Superman movie a little bit. Give Zack a chance. Zack will stay true to Superman, he won't make it similar to "300" or "Watchmen" at all. Zack would make a GREAT Superman movie, I totally believe in him.
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Legends of the Guardians. Zack nailed the flying. Did he not?
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That's for sure. One thing will be missing though...a soul. At least Nolan is there. There's still (some) hope.
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...are pretty exhilarating. I think 78 SUPERMAN captured a nice sensation of flying for its time...it would be cool to see that brought into the present.
Those 3-D dragon flying scenes in AVATAR gave me tingles.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:15:48 PM CDT
deadlying theres no fvcking need to Create a New villain!
by superwelling
When the Ahole MORONS AT WB HAVE NEVER EVEN USED THE OLD VILLAIN SFROM THE COMICS! WTF WB!!!
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in James Marsden, but nobody seemed to see it. But yeah, I'd take Padalecki as Cyke now.
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He's not too old, the character could use a little maturity. If not him, then use Routh again, they already searched the damn planet back in '05.
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I am totally excited that Snyder is doing this. So far, I don't think there been one good Superman flick, so hopefully this will break the curse.
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Can we have Routh in the new suit (which grew on me over time and looks to be used on Smallville) as Supes, a non Zod villain (great character, but done before), character development, big action, and real life jeopardy? I'm willing to give Snyder whose films I've LIKED but not loved a chance. Nolan is super critical and a great storyteller who knows "reality-based" fiction. I know that going with Zod reduces the budget ten fold, but we've waited thirty years for a new baddie that can throw down with Superman. The John Williams theme and crystal fortress can stay too. lol
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It'll only take them ten years for a working script. By then everyone attached to the project will have moved on. Warner's will by then feel that somehow we've forgotten Superman's origins and green light another boring as hell movie that will disappoint' and the box office and put it all back where we are now. Oh yeah and forgot any current actor playing him... they'll all be in their 60's before this ever gets off the drawing board. Easy solution?? At the end of "Smallville" make a movie with Welling as Supes battling any one of a million enemies, or maybe a million enemies, just so long one of them isn't Lex Luthor unless in the end it IS Lex (Michael Rosenbaum returning of course) who's been controlling everything from the shadows. See? And I don't get a dime for this brilliance!
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love snyders films like watchmen and 300 so i know this will be fuckin awesome
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he probably could still do it and have a hell of a lot more audience draw than anyone else would but i think i read that he really fucked himself up going for broke bodybuilding on 300.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:19:13 PM CDT
Let's all forget X-Men until Disney gets the rights from Fox...
by mr. profit
Until then, any Fox superhero movie (unless it's directed by Cameron) will inevitably suck. Marsden WAS a good Cyclops and Singer got all hot for Wolverine. Funny how he phased Cyclops out, yet he was able to squeeze in scenes where Magneto was catty like an old queen and makes fun of Rogue's hair while Mystique looks on. Like 2 Supervillan "Mean Girls"... Gimme a break.
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...good...then Superman will fly in the shade.
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he certainly has the general badass thing down.
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Its time, children. Hans Zimmer can come up with something new.
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in the title sequence. It's his thing. He covered a Zombie Apocalypse to Johnny Cash and generations of superheroes to Bob Dylan. The only question is: to what music will Supes be sent to earth/grow up/become Superman to?
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are pissing themselves over this. This film doesn't even have a script yet! And yes Snyder is talented. He'll either fail or win, but at the very least, Superman gets some new creative talent that will hopefully get more right than what Superman Returns got wrong. And Superman Returns got a LOT wrong.
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that is all
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Welling was in great shape for the season ten premiere.
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Zack and Chris, wouldn't ditch the John Williams score. It wouldn't surprise me if they hired John Williams to score the new movie, it'll probably happen.
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Doesn't mean he is Superman. John Hamm will be 40 when this starts filming. 41 when released. Assuming a 2 year break, 43 if a sequel is made, and 44 when released... To make a new franchise geared toward 13 year olds, you don't want to skew older in your lead actor casting.
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A sterling suggestion Mr. Dickblood.
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Brainiac, Darksied (no one knew who Darth Vader was before Star Wars so fuck off!) Gog, Doomsday, Jax-Ur, anyone on this list... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Superman_enemies the only hope this movie has is if Goyer and Nolan keep Snyder on a leash!
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Carry it over from Smallville so we don't need the whole fucking origin story AGAIN! Tom Welling as Superman, whole cast back!
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and he's buffed now. i can see him brawling with Supes.
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Don't see it man, he's more rugged than dashing.
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Good to hear, last I saw him I was like WTF?
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Just look at the Watchmen cast. He goes for talent first. Him and Nolan together should be superb.
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yeah. i thought about it more. i think he'd have made a great Batman though.
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I'm still worried. General Zod....Zack Synder.... Sounds like a nice ode to Superman 2. Please let this and Spider-Man be good.
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Bring the whole cast back? Does that mean we can get Glover and Schnieder resurrected? Also, do we really need Kreuk?
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I'm still worried. General Zod....Zack Synder.... Sounds like a nice ode to Superman 2. Please let this and Spider-Man be good.
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Again, I don't want another boring ass Bosworth like choice...
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Superman must fight his most despicable foe yet; censorship.
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Then why was Nite Owl so terribly miscast?
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Snyder is a sold visualist and does action well, but he isn't a particularly good director. Nolan just needs to curb Snyder's masturbatory instincts, and we should have a good Supes flick.
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as a movie villain. Superpowers, so Snyder can destroy a city? Check. Ties to the protagonist? Check. Can they make him a "dark reflection"? Check. Would other villains like Doomsday or Mongul bring something to the table other than "Evil Alien Overlord" (the same role Zod has, but with ties to Krypton for better narrative). No.
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She's got Margot Kidder qualities to her.
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He would've been perfect for Jor-El.
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Apart from Zod, this has much potential. WB, DC, Nolan and Snyder sound like a match made in heaven.
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We don't need this 'reality-based fiction', wchblade. It's a goddamn MOVIE based on a fucking COMIC BOOK. It should be high escapism. There are some heroes where social commentary can be thrown in here and there...Hell, some of them BEG for it. But some just need to be heroic, right? Some of them aren't conflicted about love, dual identities, morality, etc. They're just doing what's right. Not even what's kind of right or relatively right or the lesser of two evils. I think Superman deserves to be a purely good hero to balance against Batman's questionable morality. I know they might not exist in the same cinematic universe, but I don't want Clark Kent brooding about how he has no choice or the world is worse for having him around. I hope that Nolan and Snyder's realistically foggy takes on human nature can clear up a bit to do Supes justice. And it's been 33 years, guys. Let's try to push for someone else to score us up a heroic theme, okay?
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Great choice everyone, great choice! Now let's go to Spago's.
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Nite Owl was great, Patrick wilson packed on some weight for the role. Casting a great character actor over a big name. This is why even a weak choice like Malin Ackerman still beats out using Lindsey Lohan.
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She has a perfect personality. Bosworth made me sleepy.
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Nite Owl was DEAD ON
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Is Gen. Zod from the comics, or was he from the Donner movies and THEN the comics? Regardless, I'd rather see any other villain.
Lizzy Caplan would be a great Lois- agreed, Sherman. I would like to see Rashida Jones. She's like a cuter Margot Kidder.
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That's all the fucking rage currently.
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Zod?? Fucking no, man come on WB we just got fucking Zod on Smallville and he was a villain in the Donner films. They refuse to move Superman forward, WTF? A three pic Darkseid and the new gods
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The Prankster(Macy) teams up with the Toyman(Adam Sandler). Together they corner the Pokemon market in Metropolis. Meanwhile, a piece of Red Kryptonite has turned Superman into Rip Van Winkle, and falls into a coma and grows a long gray beard. Jimmy Olsen's Superman single watch is the only thing that can wake Superman up, but Luthor(Nathan Lane) shrinks it and throws into the bottled city of Kandor. Jimmy(Zac Efron) shrinks himself and becomes Flamebird, and goes on a quest in the bottled city for the watch. Can he find it in time? Or will the villians turn Metropolis into the Pokedex?
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Caviezel is the only actor with the looks and depth to portray supes. Superman should have the qualities of a leader and eyes of tremendous depth and wisdom but still have chiseled good looks.
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I want a Superman that shows that you can be kind hearted, humble and corny friendly and still be a badass underneath it all. I want to see a movie that utilizes practical special effects as much as possible. I don't want to see a CGI superman. Knowing Nolan is overseeing I trust he will make in-frame sequences a priority and make a beautiful looking picture.
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incredible lack of creativity
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Zod as villain is fine, and I hope they go with Ed Norton as someone suggested. As for Lex, please please please, make him PRESIDENT LUTHOR and have him in the background but set up as a major, non-punchable antagonist for the series.
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Donner's Superman should not be revisited. Nostalgia is not what Superman needs. It seemed like a good idea at the time but it didn't turn out so great. Made for one hell of a trailer though.
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Or Doomsday.
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Snyder's work has been hit and miss. I liked 300 and Dawn of the Dead. Haven't seen the Owl flick and Watchmen was boring but visually good.
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...that superman is an old fashioned superhero and not a pouty emotionless , angsty mesiah allegory (as bryan singer would have you believe) . He leaps tall bulidings in a single bound, gets into punch ups with evil super villains, saves cats from trees- that sort of thing. I really hope that this aspect of the character isnt sacrificed for the new movie because i dont think i can take another pouty faced, dewy eyed superman who sits on rooftops and gets his ass kicked alot. I wanna see superman do superman stuff (and that includes punching badguys, because superman can FUCKING PUNCH HE'S BEEN DOING IT, FOR DECADES, SINGER!)
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I mean, can you imagine anyone who is the Anti-Obama more? You could even run a viral campaign by having LUTHOR FOR PRESIDENT posters and TV spots etc in the lead up to the pending US Presidential Election. -
No carry over baggage from the embarrassment by Singer.
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BRAIANIAC IS FROM KRYPTON TOO USE HIM!!
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Lots of the choices here are predictable fanboy choices. Think outside the box folks. I mean did anyone predict Andrew Garfield for Spiderman?
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not live up to fans expectations but will still be a good movie. And it will be appreciated more as time goes by and the initial hype fades away. And 80% of the TBers on here will never be satisfied.
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"It's just very easy to see Snyder and Nolan working each other into a nihilistic frenzy. Maybe that's the Superman we deserve today"
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No matter how much weight Wilson put on, it wasn't nearly enough. Part of what made him endearing was the fact he shouldn't have been able to snag a chick like Laurie. Wilson didn't capture that at all, he was just a slightly out of shape older dude.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:46:18 PM CDT
Padalecki is not Supes! If WB wants him as a hero then cast him.
by the founder
Apollo in an Authority film. And Armie Hammer isn't much better as Supes.
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You get Nolan? And bitch
you get zod? And bitch some more.
WB is trying to give you both quality, and some continuance and yet...........
you still bitch.
Here's an idea: go back to your respective basements, put on your underroos, and read your comics. Leave the movies to us big boys and girls. The world will thank you for it ;) -
Remember that it was all Singer and not Routh at all for the failure or Superman.
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You're just focusing on the physical.Typical fanboy critique. Patrick Wilson is a fantastic actor and he gave the role more gravitas than any other actor would have. I think he sold both nerdy Dan and Hero Owl. He fit both without going over board on one or the other.
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Try to remember that General Zod is a very important character. Remember, Zod was a Kryptonian just like Superman is. You don't have to worry about this being a remake of "Superman II", I think it'll be a different story.
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...got out of the shower, combed back my wet hair, put on a black and silver and white shirt, looked in the mirror, and though "Holy crap! I look just like General Zod!"So, in short, bravo for this move.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:51:26 PM CDT
WHY IS ZOD SO AWESOME!?! IT'S FREAKING STUPID AND LAZY!
by prestigeworldwide
Seriously, ANOTHER Superman movie with Zod?!? So, instead of seeing different rouges with all different kinds of powers testing Superman in various ways, we're just gonna have Zod, and I'm sure a few other Kryptonians, fight Superman. Been there, done that. Seriously, this is almost as boring as having Luthor be the main villain and his big scheme is to build a barren wasteland of a continent out of Kryptonite so he he rule over it... Look, I am off the wall thrilled that Zack Synder is directing this movie, and after seeing the trailer for Sucker Punch, I knew that he was literally the ONLY person out there that could do this movie justice. But Zod is the villain most likely because Nolan, like most people, knows crap about Superman outside the Reeves movies and doesn't realize that Superman actually has one of the best and riches Rouges gallery in comics history, with villains like Toy Man, Parasite, Metallo, Bizzaro, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Doomsday, Darkseid, Brainiac, Mogul, Lobo, and just about any other DC villain that he'stangled with. At least if the movie is sucessful and they make a sequel, they can hopefully include some of these rogues, but knowing how these things USUALLY go, the villians in the sequels will be the US Army or some made up non-powered human character.
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Mad Men should be over by the time this movie comes out, so that part of Hamm's career will be over. If they want to go for a more serious tone a la 'The Dark Knight', Hamm is the perfect choice as an older Superman. Zack Snyder will make a good, maybe great, movie out of this, I'm sure.
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I didn't know there was really that many fags on AICN
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Too old to begin the franchise.
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Also, Goyer stole my Superman idea. Fact!
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Snyder and Nolan, haven't even released the plot/synopsis of the film yet. Quit accusing Snyder of too much "slow motion" and quick picking on their choice of villain. Wait until the plot comes out, and then you can whine, bitch and complain. The story to the new film will be different than the earlier ones.
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Oct 04, 2010 7:55:42 PM CDT
Hey, I wonder if these guys bitching about another Zod film...
by rev_skarekroe
...are the same ones DEMANDING that they recast The Joker for the next Batman movie?
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This is bad fucking news, worse even than Bryan Singer and I hate his depressive ass.
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To me, the Superman mythology has always been about the empowerment of the noble individual over the might of the industrial age ... a reassurance that empathy and purity will not be swept aside by technology.
Not faster than light. Not lifting continents from the ocean. Just on par with our strongest technology, made flesh and blood with an elemental empathy to do good.
Personally I would make a Superman movie an unapologetic direct rip of 9/11. No subtly, no abstraction: just wind back the clock to the morning of that day and put Superman in the world. That's the empowerment wish of this generation. -
do not want Doomsday. Doomsday is and always was a crappy villain (if he even qualifies AS a villain, more of a mindless beast really). Good for a slugfest, sure, but nothing else. If you use Doomsday someone would have to be controlling him (or at least be responsible for unleashing him). Zod could play that role I suppose, but it would greatly lessen his own. This is not an attack or a challenge to anyone who has mentioned him, it's only my opinion...take it for what you will.
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Seriously how can you NOT have a geek boner about this? Nolan. Zod. Snyder under Nolan's guiding hand. That alone is enough.And I'm afraid Jon Hamm IS too old. If only he were ten years younger he'd be already trying out the costume.
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Yes, General Zod did die at the end of Superman II, maybe this new movie, "The Man of Steel" will be taking place before, "Superman II". Think about it.
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no need to recast, just name-drop him once or twice. That's all I ask.
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Will they use it? That's my number one question. It doesn't really fit in a dark or gritty Superman tale but whichever composer(please god not Brian Tyler) gets gig will be under an insane amount of pressure. Cant imagine superman without that great fucking theme. They go hand in hand. Maybe hire Williams to rework it a bit . Please Snyder GET THE RIGHT COMPOSER PLEASE!
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You know a actor better placed for Superman right now than Armie Hammer?
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Let's face it. Most of that rogue's gallery would have to be cgi and it's surprisingly not as much fun to watch in the long run. A well-written villain with a good actor to chew the scenery really gives it a necessary kick. Zod makes sense since he's one of the few human looking characters Superman can actually punch.
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Oh, I'll go see this movie (unless the previews show horrid, horrid things (like Supes in a jetpack, holding a sword, or something)), but I'll obsess and worry about it more than is good for me.
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Why? I don't see the appeal of Superman in today's pop culture really.
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Artic patrol picked him, his posse, and Lex up in deleted scenes.
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I am going to say this right now, that the Snyder Superman film will do the same numbers as Returns, or less. Reason being is Smallville. It is a cockblock for a successful Superman film. The show has been on for Ten freaking years, and there is an army voting for Tom Welling to be Superman. I love Superman, and like Smallville, but you and me both know there isn't a snowball's chance in hell for Welling to be Superman. There is a strike 1 already with Zod being chosen for the villain of the new film, the next one will be who they decide to pick to be Superman. There are too many fans wanting Welling, or Routh, or your Mama to play Superman, and no one will be happy for who ends up playing him.
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The Fleischer Superman cartoons are incredible. What if Snyder did a period piece Superman movie? THat would rock my fucking DICK RIGHT OFFF!
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Hey Larry, I agree wholeheartedly. I'm in the same camp about Superman NOT being dark and brooding, but was merely stating that these guys do the reality-based fiction that (it would appear) that the audience and studios today seem to need via their lack of imagination. I'm all for a black and white Superman and he definitely needs to be the antithesis of Batman. I read those books faithfully. Two different heroes and methods, but aiming for the same goals. Reality based in Donner's film would be a kid with Supes' powers using them to race a train or cops thinking they were drunk as a man in blue tights and a red cape flies away. Those are REAL human reactions and POVs. Sorry you misunderstood my meaning.
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Which is what Superman kind of it... Jesus with a cape.
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I need to see Superman spin him in slo-mo.
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I think these three guys could easily write and film earth being invaded by Darkseid although you might want to save something like that until a JLA movie.
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Kate Bosworth was a Terrible choice for Superman Returns...IMO!
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Just kidding... I'll wait and hear what the cast is going to be before I get excited though.
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DOTD was OK. 300 wasn't bad. Watchmen was soulless and lacked the squid. Zod is bullshit. Should have gone crazy with FX and had BRAINIAC, Mongul or Darkseid. I'll reserve judgement until I see it but would have preferred to live in a world where Nolan did Batman and Aronofsky did Superman. Roll on 2012 so we can all really see what's going to happen with this trainwreck/homerun. Oh and Cavaziel would be my choice as the big blue boyscout.
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http://tinyurl.com/2dvk6w9 3:45 in.
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Yeah it's been on for 10 years. But remember, every day a new kid turns 13-14-15. And they are not usually "Smallville" watchers. The audience for "Smallville" grew up with the show and they are older now. If the audience is growing with newer generations watching, the ratings would reflect that. I doubt that WB is going to yield to the demands of the 2-3 million fans of a show who's viewership has faded with time. Credit for lasting so long, but this movie will have nothing to do with "Smallville". Also if "Revenge of the Fallen" can make 400 million domestic based on the buying power of teens. A new "Superman" with an action packed trailer will kill at the box office. But it won't kill with Welling in the role, because then it's "Smallville: The Movie".
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Oct 04, 2010 8:16:31 PM CDT
I DON'T KNOW. SNYDER COULD'VE DONE NUCLEAR MAN RIGHT.
by bringingsexyback
Still time to switch villains.
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That is all.
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He's 42. By the time the movie comes out he'll be 44 going on 45. By the time a sequel comes out he'll be pushing 50...
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I loathe Bay. I despise Ratner. The fact that I'd take either one of them over Snyder should give you some idea of the contempt I have for him. Bay and Ratner make no pretensions--whether they actually admit it or not--that they are hacks w...ho make lowest common denominator popular entertainment for the masses and in so doing get richer and richer. Snyder has the delusion/illusion that he is an artist/artiste/auteur, an illusion that's been fed and fostered by sycophantic fanboys who maintain that the all style/no substance 300 is a classic and the absolute cinematic botched abortion that was Watchmen is in fact an unfairly derided masterpiece. As much as I hope the involvement of Nolan will offset Snyder's worst impulses, my hope for this project just dropped to the bottom--and if it's the absolute creative and financial failure that I think it WILL be, I think it will cause an IMMEDIATE reassessment of the unfairly maligned Superman Returns. I'll see it, with as open a mind as I can muster, but I am just supremely un-thrilled.
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Oct 04, 2010 8:19:41 PM CDT
Alaina De Garza as Lois, Henry Cahill as supes
by captain_clarence_oveur
De Garza is on Law and Order so she can do tough and looks like Lois.
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We don't know what happened to Zod, as he was cast into the Pit of Vagueness...
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It wasn't great but solid, a good nod to Superman I
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There are no new ideas on the left-coast. It's just remakes and rehashes of the same old thing. Kinda like Obama...
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Couldn't be happier with Snyder getting the job. This will be a very visual and much darker movie than Superman Returns. In my opinion, either keep the continuity of the casting or redo the entire cast with Jim Caviziel as Superman, Keira Knightley as Lois Lane, Topher Grace as Jimmy Olsen and Terrance Stamp as General Zod.
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...has it occurred to anyone that, since this IS Nolan-produced, we could possibly get a cameo by Christian Bale's Batman? Brandon Routh's Christopher-Reeve-like boy scout thing would be a good balance against Bale's brooding dark Bats.
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one hour of real story, 90 minutes of slow-mo filler. even his owl cartoon was mostly slow-mo.
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Can we have a confirmation you'll do one? And we won't mention the fact he wrote the words to White Cliffs of Dover while America cowardly hid from the Nazi's :-)
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I can promise you that. Batman's going to stay where he belongs, in his own separate stand alone universe as was originally intended.
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that "Clark Kent" is suppose to have a cameo on Green Lantern. If WB is smart and want to make money they should film at the last minute a cameo of who will be the new Superman, and let it be there where people find out who it will be. Superhero cameos work for Marvel! Just saying....
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they characters are stand-alone icons.
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Christoph Waltz would make a great Zod.
This is best case scenario, Snyder is totally meant to direct a Superman film (and hopefully trilogy). Watchmen Director's cut is one of the best comic book films ever made (if not THE best) - up there with Nolan's for sure, so what a perfect team.
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I find it disheartening that even WE are obsessed with the youth aspect. If we can't support a slightly more mature man what hope is there?
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If you guys wants honest criticism, here is some. Most of your choices for casting of Superman are terrible. Jim Caviziel would not make a great Superman. I don't want Brandon Routh back either.
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Zach Snyder is an amazing visual director...as long as Nolan or someone else is onboard to ride herd over the acting/story bits,this could turn out petty good...at the very least,it'll LOOK like a comic book movie should look.
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Hamm is nearing 40, looks 50. Too old for a possible decades worth of films.
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cool news although it he was the most obvious and best choice from the beginning.GO SNYDER GO.
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Oct 04, 2010 8:41:50 PM CDT
CAPTAIN CLARENCE ALAINA DEGARZA WAS ON SMALLVILLE ALREADY
by superwelling
AS A KRYPTONIAN DISCIPLE OF ZOD COME TO EARTH TO KILL CLARK!
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Long live Singer's Superman Lives!!!!
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Hopefully this will have less slow mo though, which I think Snyder uses too much to try and make a scene look like a comic book pane. It will be interesting to see what he does with a superhero movie not based on a specific book.
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He's got megawatt heat off The Social Network. He's got a commanding voice and presence. Not sure how he'll look with dark hair, though.
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Oct 04, 2010 8:45:29 PM CDT
CGIH8ter ur a MORON!lol smallville has already done crossovers u
by superwelling
Superman, has met Aquaman Supergirl, flash, green arrow the entire justice Society the Wonder Twins Cyborg, Speedy? need i say more? ur a Moron they do crossovers in live action
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Why do we have to cast based on what we want to happen 10 years from now? If history is any indication it will never get that far.I'm much more interested in seeing a singular good movie, and something different than what we have seen at that, then ground work laid for some possible sequels.
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Oct 04, 2010 8:48:03 PM CDT
Brain Drain...ok fair enough! I'll just say TV shows in general
by cgih8r
DC doesn't do things like Marvel tho, for good reason. People should get used to that.
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But Matthew Fox can't fucking act.
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Oh yeah.
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What about Doomsday? Mongul? Brainiac? The Cyborg? Darkseid?Please: let go of the 70s Superman movies once and for all, that was Bryan Singer's mistake! It's the 21st century!!!
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We don't need another retread, no matter how fancy or dark. What we need is a true kick-ass sequel - better or worse. The whole Loise Lane and Lex Luther thing has been done to death. There were 1,000 of stories without them. Let's have a great villian and an interesting Superman. One who has to deal with not only his obsession for being social dysfunctional, but dealing with being an illegal alien as well. Damn, the man has the ability to be the utimate Machete! All joking aside, I never saw Superman as dark. Perhaps smarmy like George Reeves - now that would be cool,
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So another reboot? Zod is just done to death, can't touch Terrance Stamp. Smallville did Zod to death also. Doomsday would be better. Duh.
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in slow motion. This is a vast improvement of Supes moping around in his speedos and sighing.
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in slow motion. This is a vast improvement over Supes moping around in his speedos and sighing.
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Yeah, I was gonna point out what already hads been pointed out to you. If you want to break it down a little further, DC is the COMIC BOOK company, and they are all about crossovers, they even have an ongoing Superman/Batman series going. Warner Brothers (which owns DC) does the television (like Smallville, lots of crossovers there, you may want to look into it) and the movies — which the Superman hasn't been filmed yet, so we'll see if WARNER'S wants to make the decision to establish continuity within their movies.
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I'll admit it: Back when he was involved in the Justice League movie, I dismissed him just because he had a silly sounding name. Who knew the guy had any talent? I don't know if he'd make a great Superman, but I definitely judged the guy unfairly. So, I'm sorry (but I'm still going to make fun of your name, feel free to do the same to mine).
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Oct 04, 2010 8:57:05 PM CDT
He will look just like the comic and the action will be insane
by jackslater4
This is the best news I could have hoped for for this movie. Ever since I saw the red capes in 300.
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cartoon movies. Their characters are stand-alone icons.
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Like the Emmys are an accurate barometer for talent/material.
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Great choice for director and so glad Zod will be the villain.
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Next week looks to be awful.
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fight from the Matrix: Revolutions. Why redo it again?WB is run by a bunch of unimaginative fucks!WB should've just rehired Richard Donner.
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KNEEL before the BRAND
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Superman Returns was a complete mess. I hope that Zack Snyder can do the character justice; I *don't* want to see a two hour string, of 300 style slow motion shots. Nolan as producer was a good start; but I'm staying guarded, after this news, until some casting work has been done.
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Carla Gugino as Lois Lane
Gerard Butler as General Zod
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it's the fact that he's always written as the character who makes the right moral choice. A being with such powers who is forced to make a bad/ambiguous choice, and then must face the consequences, is the only kind of superhero we want now. What 'The Dark Knight' promised us in Batman, but did *not* deliver.
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I'm so happy that Zack Snyder will direct this... but can we please see something we have yet to see. Brainiac... Myxlplyt.... Bizarro... why the fuck do they keep rehashing shit that we've seen before. I'll be there on opening night like everyone else, but we've seen this movie before
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...would actually make a great Superman, if they're planning to hae him tanked through the whole movie
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If she was cast she'd have to told to scale it back a bit.
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BRainiac could BRING Doomsday to Earth, Lex Luthor is nowhere in sight.
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They've made the statement that they believe in keeping their characters in their own separate universes telling their own separate stand-alone stories in movies. They're proud of how this separates them from Marvel. Nolan has made the same statement so don't get your hopes up. Every time a DC movie is coming out the same fan-boys keep hoping they're going to tie everything together like Marvel and do an eventual Justice League film. It's just not the case. It won't happen.
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of teaming superman up with made-up characters like Richard Pryor instead of batman. Ya know? Cuz audiences would just fucking hate to see an unbelievably kickass batman superman team-up.
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I think Mongul is ready for the big movie experience.
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All the other villains you can possibly choose and you go back to Zod. I'd rather see the Super Friends era Toyman than him again (not really, I'd rather have something like Bruce Timm's Toyman).
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They don't need to resort to throwing there big properties into one basket to make a dent like Marvel is doing.
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He could do it with one of his clone selves while fucking. And his huge lollying cock could bounce off his inner thigh(best cg animation in history?) and knock supes like a wrecking ball. Oh and for you kids who wondered why there was so much digital dick in watchmen. It's because it's just like the comic. You simply see the panels in-between panels in the film. See? It's not so hard to understand the reality we all experience. It just takes a nice person to explain it to you slowly and concisely
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I'm sure Mr. Knowles will take the time to write his thoughts on Zack Snyder doing Superman, can you write something for us Harry?
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LEAK THE GEORGE MILLER JUSTICE LEAGUE SCRIPT! IF ANYONE HAS IT OR ANY INFO ABOUT IT, PLEASE click submit at seriousissues.net and pass it my way.
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in case no one's said that yet. ain't got all day to check first, ya know?
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and I HATE the word "Meh". Why are we retreading ground covered by Donner & Lester w/Luthor & Zod? For Rao's sake there are a plethora of supervillians that have never appeared on the big screen! I'd even settle for Vartox @ this point! (Well, not really, but you get the idea.)
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Oct 04, 2010 9:27:18 PM CDT
I'm guessing Nolan has an idea he loves for Zod
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
so maybe it will work out. But yeah. Meh.
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if the Avengers turns out to be a huge hit,then you can bet your ass that the next plan from DC will be to unite their movie franchises.its all about the fucking money.
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/film is better than AICN. they have set pics from The Thing. with pretty graphics and pictures. this place is really showing it's age.
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I could live with this!
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With Brainiac, The Wachowski's direct part 3 with Darkseid and bring back Snyder for part 4 Doomsday
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Oct 04, 2010 9:32:12 PM CDT
Superman'll have slow motion hot sex with Lois Lane...
by mrmysteryguest
...like in 300 & Watchmen...remember?
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Zod's been done already -- give us a new villian!!
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I don't want an origin story. I wouldn't mind an origin reminder, lasting maybe 20 mins (Superman landing in the U.S. in the '30's). But I want this Supes to deal with more personal, psychological issues. He's come to the realization that he will not die while those around him, those he loves, are dying to both natural and unnatural causes. Crime doesn't stand a chance against his physical might. His reason to fight crime (truth, justice, and the American way) have become a muddled mess and Superman doesn't know what it is he is fighting for anymore, or even if it matters. Then, he faces a true challenge: Gen. Zod.
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and I'm sure it will be. Marvel will merely get a taste of what it's like to be in DC's shoes. They don't need any help making money.
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fucking what I wanted for superman 3. Here is the poster for superman 2:
The 3 villains from Krypton descend to earth, to confront the man of steel, in a cosmic battle for world supremacy.
Here is the poster for superman 3: Superman flys around with a scared black guy.
That fucking poster was supposed to say Superman VS Batman. Batman's costume would have been designed by dune's designer. They coulda teamed up after a scuffle to take down brainiac. Fuck it the cartoons are 200 billion times better than any superhero movies. Crisis on multiple earths with james woods owlman villain is memorable. That shit is fantastic -
PLEASE get rid of that shit brown cape! And the "I'm Superman" belt buckle, while you're at it. Just let Superman be Superman for once. A kick ass alien who's adopted this planet and who's all about something good and noble. Is that so hard?
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Unless, he grows up in this film to be a surly super-teen who gets into building-destroying knock-down-drag-outs with his dad, kind of like Superboy-Prime. Now, that would be a cool movie!
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set in 1930s America, which ends just befoe the very first Max Fleischer short (a screenshot from the short is the book cover) would actually make an excellent Superman film.
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what do you mean?
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THE SUPERMAN IS REAL, AND HE IS AMERICAN
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It sounds like you got everything you wanted already. I like the cartoons too for what they are. But when it comes to the live action movies I prefer my Superman working alone in his own universe and I'm happy that DC and Nolan agree.
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psychological issues,then go and rewatch SR,since thats what the movie was all about.
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Superman should remain the light to Batman's dark. I want the brightly colored costume, no muted-brown red.
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that's what I meant. Dark Knight made nearly double what Iron Man 2 made (not to down Iron Man or Marvel I'm a fan of there stuff too). DC is doing just fine making stand-alone movies where the characters get their own stories and can carry their own weight at the box office.
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Yes, Zod was cool. And if I want to see him again, I'll fucking watch Superman II. Give us something new, you cunts. This is fucking Goyer's doing. Stop paying that douche money goddammit!
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Oct 04, 2010 9:56:57 PM CDT
The retard franchise that sits in the back of the short bus.
by crimsoncinder
No origin story, no lex, no zod. Give us something that hasn't been used in the past 5 disgusting abortions that we call Superman movies. GIVE US SOMETHING!!! This feels like the fucking highlander franchise. Totally fubar with no lube.
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Zod works for an origin story. And if you do him right you can set him up as a kind of anti-Superman, a perversion of Superman's ideals. Superman wants to inspire us to save ourselves. Zod wants to save us from ourselves.
Forget Terrence Stamp and Planet Huston. While I cringe at the thought of a Superman movie directed by Snyder and written by Goyer, if they pull this off the way I think it can be done it could be something really special...the problem of course is that it's Snyder and Goyer...so...you know....get ready for the non flying, Fox-produced Superman in about 5 years when Warners lose the rights.
The fate of the entire Superman legacy is at stake here. If the film isn't a hit, Superman as we know it will die. The Siegel and Shuster heirs will claim that WB have mishandled the property and decide to deal with Fox or Disney and that will be the end of it. -
toons and they really go far in showing you the end of what this stuff could ever be live action. And frankly it would be a live action version of the exact thing the cartoons do. But there's the Richard Pryor/3rd tier villain rehash crap to consider. I dont want a batman movie without joker at least overseeing villainy in the background like spector. And I don't want another take on 2 face. I want superman and batman shoulder to shoulder back to back or at each other's throats in the same way audiences wanted Moses to fight Ahab and yes they finally made that movie. Also its simply inevitable
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Because he almost killed the Superman franchise with his boring deadbeat-superdad "opus". I want a Superman with action, that kicks ass. I think this is a step in the right direction.
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For those who are still being whiny bitches about it; There's no chance in hell they'll use the origins in this because there's a lawsuit preventing it. Now you can all stop sucking your thumbs about whether the origins will be repeated. And Jon Hamm doesn't look shit like superman. Dark hair and blue eyes doesn not equal Superman. And Jim Caveizal (however you spell it) is a skinny elderly man nowadays. Welling still looks like he's 18. Routh might still be ok, especially now that he's a little older. Matthew Bomer looks the part but might not be able to pull it off. And anyone who honestly thinks transformers 2 or Pearl Harbor are better than anything Snyders directed needs to never have an opinion about anything ever again. In fact, let's just go ahead and remove their voting rights as well, since they really don't know what they're doing with it anyway.
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Anyone that wants to support him there are a couple of petitions going around.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Brandon-Routh-back-for-the-man-of-steel-reboot/494294110437
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Snyder's typical gimmick is pretty much the thing ANY flimmaker would use to show Supes at Superspeed doing things no human eye could naturally see. Lame about ZOD though. I say the title "MAN OF STEEL" should be saved for either Metallo or Hank Henshaw. Also, Jon Hamm for Supes/ Henshaw/ Bizarro/ Prime or any other version of Superman that they ever use.
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you can keep looking up at the sky or you can look down at the ground you're standing on. Supes and Bats will never meet in a blockbuster movie.
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That's about all I could muster up in response to this news
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and the original Theme!
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Keep John Williams main title theme and cast Rashida and I'll definitely see it!
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Something from the New Gods or even Eclipso. How about Cosmic Odyssey the movie (never going to happen but it would be awesome)? Something that can tie into or kick off a broader DCU film set. Maybe they'll introduce the greater universe concept in Green Lantern, and continue it in this.
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to make that Wolverine sequel that we've all been waiting for with bated breath. Heh heh heh. Right...
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Jon Hamm is too old
Jim Caviezel is a joke.
Joe Manganiello has a broken nose
Armmie Hammer is blond and has a stupid voice.
Tom Welling can only play Superman on TV because Smallville's continuity is too fucked.
Jared Padalecki might not be pretty enough.
Brandon Routh can't get another chance because general audiences will wonder where the baby is.
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Seriously- Kate Bosworth was the worst part of that movie. My vote is Zooey Deschanel.
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I forgot about his X-men moratorium (until the rights revert, anyway). Sorry, man, won't happen again.
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John Malkovich as ZOD. Kneel before Malkovich.
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DWAYNE FUCKING JOHNSON!!!
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That's disappointing.
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Not being racist, just stating a fact.
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Not being racist, just stating a fact.
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Not being racist, just stating a fact.
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in the past. Surely we can find someone better for Lois? (Playkins, you now have the right to tell me that there is no one better and not to call you Shirley)
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What does color have to do with portraying a fictional character?
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he better remain black in Hancock 2.
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...has been known to redesign, and update their characters on a regular basis? Both in appearance and backstory.
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...I still won't give a shit about the sequel. Horrible film.
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Oct 04, 2010 10:24:40 PM CDT
Darkseid woulda een better, but Daniel Day Lewis for Zod, then.
by codename
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Oct 04, 2010 10:24:50 PM CDT
Darkseid woulda been better, but Daniel Day Lewis for Zod, then.
by codename
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I'm ok with Routh doing it again...no idea who to play Zod. I reserve my judgment on this till I see Sucker Punch. I wanted to see Brainiac personally...oh well, KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!
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Pass the kneepads.
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And stunt cast John Krasinski as Superman! Steve Carell as Perry White! B.J. Novak as Jimmy Olsen! The Daily Planet scenes will be THE OFFICE with glasses!
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They need to cast a talented unknown for Superman/Clark. Routh was great at doing the role for the Bryan Singer film, but they need to start from scratch for this one.Lois Lane should be an unknown as well. Remember how Bryce Dallas Howard stole the thunder in The Village? She was pretty much an unknown then. For this film, I want that same kind of surprise revelation for Superman and Lois Lane.
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...apparently he's good friends with Tom Welling. I doubt he'd even accept this without at least getting his blessing.
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We should get some damn good talkbacks out this production in the near future. Glad to have been a part of this one. Later, everybody.
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What have we learned from Snyder's filmography?
He can deliver gorgeous, painterly images that flow in slow-motion and can make a 2-minute trailer that makes your eyeballs explode in lust.
But a full feature-length, he delivers boring-assed, heartless movies that are ultimately depressing and soulless.
His weaknesses are EXACTLY the same weaknesses of Superman Returns. All head, no heart, some nice storyboards, a great trailer. And a spiritual vacuum at the core. Nice art-film philosophical askewed-angle take on the character, but, NOT. SUPERMAN.
I hope that Nolan's sweeping, engrossing brand of genius can act as a corrective to Snyder's worst self-indulgent impulses. Nolan's vision could act as a defibrillator, jolting life into Snyder's cinematically bankrupt, slide-show paintings.
A home-run of a casting choice could tip the balance in a positive direction.
Perhaps Snyder evolves and gets a heart transplant. His initial comment "the character deserves to be loved again" indicates he has a chance to succeed.
An otherwise good and solid Superman film could become iconic with his brilliant eye and FX genius. He has it within him to paint a filmic Sistine Chapel of images. But if it's in service of a dead fish, like his previous work, it will fail to resonate.
Snyder - study footage of Chris Reeve and Tom Welling at their finest. Read "All Star Superman" at least ten times. May the motherflippin force be with you, because you need it.
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I agree, I enjoy all this back and forth, CGIh8r, I enjoy debating with you, and while I agree that the Nolanverse probably won't crossover into itself, I hope that Warner's and DC do someday produce a great DC movie. Thank you for keeping all the debating civil and respectful.
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Fuck OFF with your constant suggestions for Tom Welling, Nathan Fillion, Jared Padalecki, insert-shitty-actor-from-your-favorite-shitty-fanboy-tv-show-here. What is it with geeks?! Your ideas are shit, and that's why movie studios ignore you completely. Just by endorsing these actors, you are ensuring that they will NEVER be movie stars. And this movie is going to suck ass unless they get someone to heavily rewrite whatever that fucking hack Goyer drooled on to the page in one of his untalented seizures.
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Oct 04, 2010 10:53:42 PM CDT
Excited and at the same time apprehensive about Snyder
by miyamoto_musashi
Really enjoyed 300 and Dawn of the Dead, and thought Watchmen was fantastic.
Given his style I can't help feel that there will be too much Matrix style fights, particularly with Zod in it, as others have said that Neo v Agent Smith fight is what I could imagine as a shot he will use.
Additionally it will be hard work not to be just an updated version of Superman 2 with better CGI.
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this is pretty silly when you think about it as Singer was intending on his sequel to involve Zod. If not for all the hesitation and paranoia we would have already had our proper Singer directed sequel. So essentially Singer was booted so they could follow his course. What a pointless exercise. All you Singer bashers can really eat shit.. SR may not have been perfect but it was a great film and he would have undoubtibly made a epic sequel.. now you'll have to pray Snyder does'nt botch this.
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Wasn't rooting for Snyder, but the more I think about it the more he seems like the right guy for the job. Here's hoping that Nolan/Snyder's Zod will lean towards the Superman 2 version, rather than the Smallville or comics version.
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http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/10/04/superman-director-zack-snyder-reboot/?mobile=true
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Oct 04, 2010 10:58:51 PM CDT
Lex has to be IN the movie, but Zod does the heavy villiany
by tall_boy66
Kinda like Superman 2. Luthor isn't the bad guy of that movie, but he's clearly an antagonist and he's in the flick itself. Maybe even less this time, just have him hang back and pull some puppet strings if they have any sense. Not the borderline barely-in-the-movie cameo that Moriarty had in Sherlock Holmes.
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Loved "Watchmen", trust Nolan. SR sucked big time, because it was no fucking boring. I liked Routh though; give him a shot with a better script. I love Kevin Spacey, but I thought he was horribly miscast. I never saw 'Lex' on the screen - just Spacey screaming from time to time.
I would rather have seen Darkseid cast as the villian - this should be the "Empire Strikes Back" of the Supes films. We need to see him not hold back against some true planetary threat. I mean, he's fucking SUPERMAN. I wanna see him save the fucking PLANET. I think Zod could work (and I think Gerard Butler would be a stroke of genius), but that's not the movie I was hoping to see. *sigh* -
Should be involved in it to some extent and maybe can be a bridge of sorts with Darkseid in the one after
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Let's do a whole movie where Superman peeps and lifts stuff but the GOOD SHIT will be in the sequel. Honest injun. Right. You snooze, you lose Singer.
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The Dude is tall Hell when I saw him at a New Orleans set.The dude looks like Clark Kent In real life. Age doesn't really matter, as long you can make impact on the role, and he seems ideal for it
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"I'm 6'5, I'm invulnerable, I'm a super-strong alien from Krypton and there's two of me!" (<---Paraphrasing his great line from Social Network)
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I am glad Snyder is doing this w/ Nolan on board too. I don't know what people are talking about when they say Snyder has made no good movies. I liked 300, DOTD, & The Watchmen. I am looking forward to seeing some action finally in a Superman film. I liked Moon, but I'd rather not see a super slow styled version of Superman. Plus w/ the news of Zod being the villain; I love it. Superman 2 was my favorite of the original old school Superman flicks(minus the goofy throwing the S off the chest power & teleporting).
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Was brilliant in TSN.
Definitely worth a shot.
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I definitely co-sign your idea of having Butler play General Zod. Great idea.
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is a genius. Perfect casting.
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And not becuase of a pryor fuck up. No supes should dress up as someone else and do bad things. Kill his goodself off and force the world to unite to stop his fake bad guy. Zod aint shit with out his crew. I really hope that hot chick and that dumb big russian dude are with him. And i still say a great plot would be everyone on earth becuase superpowered and supes becomes average everyday man. The dynamics are very big and it would take a very savy scribe to make it into an interesting story. If the sun went red and the world was coming to an end, and everyone was super. What would you do what would we do. Like the plane going down everyone starts fucking or whatever.
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Oct 04, 2010 11:15:01 PM CDT
UltimaRex you can't be serious? I can find 10 better then Hammer
by the founder
seriously dude you did not ask me who else is out there? Armie Hammer(I hate even typing the name)is not Superman. i don't care if the guy is 6"4 or 3 or whatever. Have you heard him talk? He's an ok actor I guess. i havent seen much of him but i certain he is not Superman.
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If you gonna put the heroes together then Darkseid would be the more logical choice for the villian. He has vast resources and an army of Superpowered thugs or gods or minions. I also confident that WB will never pony up the cash to make an JLA movie of such a scale.
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Nathan Fillion, Tom Welling the rest of the usual suspects that is mentioned here often makes me glad that FANBOYS DONT HAVE THE POWER OR A SAY IN CASTING SOME OF THESE ROLES.
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One thing that really annoyed me about returns was the endless hype about when the suit will be revealed, and the endless discussion about it.
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Another Superman rehash with a director I do not at all trust with the human element. So basically a Superman 2 remake by a paint-by-numbers director. Hope they prove me wrong, but doubt it.
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Saw him in a interview. He says he's always wanted to play Supe's. Seems to not be a bad choice and is relatively unknown which I think the studio may go for.
http://www.trueblood-news.com/joe-manganiello-talks-about-his-beard
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I do not wanna see Tom Welling on the big screen period. He's fine for tv but he and the rest of the actors on Smallville just comes across a little substandard.
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Hopefully there is going to be more to him than, "kneel before Zod!" let's not make that his only motivation throughout the movie. I say a team up with Brainiac. Superman is a God so we have to make this as tough as possible for him.
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Everything sounds fantastic about this! Can't wait to hear more!
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As General Zod.
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Boo!! Thought I'd just scare you all. C'mon. Jacob the Superman. Just think about it.
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It just amazes me in talkback after talkback how negative and closed minded people are that they wright off movies even before they're made.
Oh, well. I am excited to get another Superman movie and I think they made a wise choice in the director. I will wait and see the movie before I judge it...that only makes sense.
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I'd like to nom Dominic Purcell...
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Oct 04, 2010 11:33:58 PM CDT
Zod should be black. or there are only white people in Krypton?
by killik
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I'd like to second the nom of Mads Mikkelsen, don't know who mentioned that awhile back, but it was an inspired choice.
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get him all skeezy looking and he'd be perfect for the part.
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Son of Jor-El...KNEEL before Zod!
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Singer's sequel was about Zod and completing the story line with the son. With this reboot they should have started with Lex and Metallo and moved on to Brianiac or Darkseid... You know villains we want to see. Either way I actually trust Snyder and I'm worried about Nolan's input. I don't want a "real world" Superman I want an epic kick ass Superman!
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... now I hope that they will make the right casting choices for the actors who will be in front of the cameras. One of the MANY things wrong with Superman Returns (and believe me, there were many) was the casting - especially the part of Lois Lane. When I think of how well both Watchmen and the Dark Knight were cast (especially the role of the Joker), I'm pretty confident that this team will do a much better job than their predecessors on Superman Returns.
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I thought I'd add another comment to make it longer!
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But that implies DC/Warners know what they are doing.
And cant see that at least before 2020.
They don't appear to have a plan like Marvel does, I would have thought a JLA movie by 2014 would be a very reasonable timeframe.
Within that timeframe you have another Batman movie, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman. I am not convinced you need 7 in the team, but if need be add in the Wonder Twins, kidding Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter -
So my vote goes to John Hamm. Look, guys, Superman is simply an "old school" superhero -- that's the impression the general moviegoing public has of him. I hope Goyer and Nolan are not attempting to "reboot" the character. I hope they have the same idea that's been on my mind: make Superman an older, more mature veteran superhero who has been at his game for a generation already. Their take on Batman has been great, but with Superman let's go the opposite route. And after 10 years of Smallville, we don't need another SuperBOY. I'd like to see Supes as a grown-up, mature MAN.
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Remember that the script is by Goyer and the Nolans. They've had two villains in both of their Batman films. There maybe a second popular villain in the Superman mythos that they are keeping quiet about for now (just as they did about Two-Face showing up in The Dark Knight).
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..I like the idea of Zod being the 'Vader' to Darkseid's 'Emperor'. Someone else mentioned the idea of Darkseid releasing Zod and his crew from the Negative Zone - I like that (wouldn't the majority of the 'inmates' have been Kryptonian? I don't know sjit about canon, but I'm just using common sense). An army of Supermen to soften up the planet for when Darkseid shows - or Doomsday - Whatever. Big friggin' battles with people getting punched through buildings (and in real time).
@ brandon - Can't take credit for the Butler casting, came from someone else in the thread, I was simply agreeing with it. I think he would nail it - "THIS! IS! KRYPTON!" -
..that I'd love to see Jon Hamm as Supes in a JLA movie. All the heroes a bit older, and more beat up - cynical. I think he'd be a lock for that. Too bad Warner's doesn't have the balls to gearup for a movie of that magnatude, ala Marvel and the upcoming Avengers movie(s). Keeping (most of - sorry, Eddie) the same actors to play their original roles is genius.
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"Snyder sucks." "Nolan is overrated." "The blue they're using in the costume is a half-shade too dark." "The 'S' is pushed too far up his chest." "His codpiece isn't big enough." "MY CHILDHOOD IS BEING RAPED!!!!"
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Zod, really?I hope they go with the whole "Superman kills Zod" storyline at least.
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It's Zack Snyder. You know it's coming.
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they both fight crime, but they go about it in opposing ways. a dark Superman is about idealism - believing that humanity is capable of much good. Batman is about realism - that even the best people are capable of the worst. making Superman into a dark character goes against everything the character is about. even in the dark and uncertain times we live in, Superman has to stand as a beacon of hope, as a pillar of justice that we should all strive to emulate. Brando's speech as Jor-El sums to it perfectly: "They're a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son." You can still make a Supoerman movie that is dark, but keep Superman the beacon of light he's supposed to be. Don't make his character dark like Batman. but I agree that Gerard Butler would make an awesome Zod, though I'd rather see a villain we haven't seen on film before. having Darkseid as the villain would have been EPIC.
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ZOD!!
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Don't care much for Superman, but: Nolan, Snyder, Superman 3D. Sold, sold, sold.
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It guarantees this movie is going to have lots of action with Superman kicking ass. Isn't that what everyone was asking for after SR?? What else can you brats find to bitch about?
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But only if Zod is killed by Doomsday.Yes? Please? Thank you.
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Z:He cares. He actually cares for them.
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Best Superman material in a looooong time. not particularly well suited to a movie, and even if it were so adapted it suffers from being Luthor driven (too much luthor in the movies thus far), but still... worth your comic book allowance.
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I mean, I haven't seen much of his work--only 300 and Watchmen. Of the former, I only remember the visual artistry of it, and the latter, I only recall the fact that the Rorshach and Nite Owl were really well cast. Otherwise, all the other parts of both films were pretty much forgettable.
What the Superman franchise needs isn't a visual overhaul, which is basically the only decent thing Snyder could bring to the table. The franchise needs to break away from the Donner influence and go back to its comic book roots.
What you need is a good script--get a decent writer like Geoff Johns or Grant Morrison--and then get a director who can balance between character driven drama, and decent action. Snyder just seems way too 1-dimensional to make a decent Superman flick, even if you do have Nolan supervising. The last thing I want is some visually stylized film with explosions and punching and stuff like that. That's no different than having Michael Bay direct a Superman film, and nobody wants that. -
but it sucked. I hope this is good but I'll stick to my Chris Reeve version.
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Don't know what else to say, because it's just so obvious.
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My money is on Henry Cavill as Superman. Even as producer, Nolan may want a Brit in the lead roll. And they're not going to cast anyone over 35 in my opinion. So that puts out Caveizel and Hamm for Supes, although both could be inspired choices for Zod. Again, depending on how much influence Nolan has, the cast could be largely Brit. I think Gerard Butler could be awesome as Zod.
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That is all I can come up with. The fact this "reboot" mirrors Donner's sequel [as in Zod as main villian] is ominous in itself. History repeating itself, again?
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FANTASTIC NEWS
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I'm freakin' peeing in my freakin' PANTS. THIS WILL BE FANTASTIC ! PERFECT ! Kudos to JIM LEE and GEOFF JOHNS !!!
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Snyder is like that friend who is a blast to play video games with or watch action movies. But sometimes you get the feeling he's not all that bright, and everyone at work is always complaining about his irresponsibility. You like him because he's fun and wacky . . . but you'd shudder to trust him with anything valuable like your comic book collection.
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...that's why they're turning it into the next DC Animated Movie (the preview is on the latest "Superman/Batman" animated movie they just released). So my choice for Supes? I'm actually kind of leaning towards Joe Manganiello...he has a good look to him and I think he'd do great in some intense fight sequences. And hey, who's to say that since Zod and Brainiac are both from Krypton, there's not a story there? Both intent on taking over the Earth, but for very different reasons. Brainiac in the mode of destroying the Earth to replicate Krypton and Zod wanting to conquer the planet and make the Earth his slaves. Not a sequel to any of the previous films (Superman Returns, either), just start the thing...we know who all the players are...for those who are demographically challenged and have never seen the the "ancient" 1981 "Superman II", make Zod young and sexy...but dangerous...a sort of charming rogue, who actually makes a play for Lois (plenty of outstanding hot chick actresses from the recently cancelled "Legend of the Seeker" series have nothing to do right now). Have fun with it...turn it on it's ear and shake up the status quo a little bit...within in the confines of the world of Superman, of course. I actually will anticipate this movie.
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to render judgment..
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But only if it gets the full DOMINO treatment. I want to combine my love of Superman with my love of LSD something fierce.
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I never do this, but anyone that thinks Hamm is too old for the part is a moron. How long do you think the franchise will last with the same actor?? Even if it's a huge success, probably no more than three movies, taking less than a decade to produce(Spider-man as a model here). Superman has super powers for Christs sake. He doesn't have to be an athletic specimen to appease your crappy suspension of disbelief. Supes should have authority and the ability to inspire people. Hamm has those chops in spades and looks the part like no other living actor. Cast him now and catch lightening in a bottle.
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DC is going to want to eventually do a proper Justice League movie if the Avengers movie does gangbusters. Superman needs to be an iconic figure that inspires awe and commands respect -- particularly when leading the other major DC superheroes. NONE of these other fanboy suggestions fit that bill. Hamm, on the other hand, already plays Superman. Don Draper is Superman, Dick Whitman is Clark Kent. Plus, Hamm is not a movie star yet, and they can lock him into a 3 picture deal for a dirt cheap rate. People have been saying that Jon Hamm should play Superman ever since Mad Men went to air. There's a very good reason for that -- he's perfect to the letter for it.
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Snyder just worked with Hamm for Sucker Punch. There's an existing relationship there.
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Spot on.
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I'd love it if David Goyer's script added Larry Niven's "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" concepts into the mix. I mean, in Superman Returns, Superman had a kid, no problem. However, the short story discusses the practical problems of such an act.
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I'd love it if David Goyer's script added Larry Niven's "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" concepts into the mix. I mean, in Superman Returns, Superman had a kid, no problem. However, the short story discusses the practical problems of such an act.
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Just googled him and if he was clean shaven and grew his hair out a little, he would be a pretty badass superman.
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Go eff urselves
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Man can grow a beard
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It's really not. Two completely different types of superheroes, one of which is primarily covered in robotic armor.
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The perfect trilogy.
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I'm sorry, I don't care if the non Smallville fans flame - the guy has given TEN YEARS to the role of Clark Kent in Smallville - it's by no means a perfect show (cough, Callum Blue, cough) but HE is definitely Superman, at least in my eyes.
Brandon Routh is a walking 2x4 & CANNOT act. He's simply dreadful.
If they don't give the gig to Welling then they'll have to pull a rabbit out their ass to get me to watch it.
I really don't understand all these folk wanting that old smoking dude from Mad Men to be Superman either. You cast that old you ain't gonna get much of a franchise, are you?
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Let the epic battle scene commence!
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They'll be straight to dvd though.
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will it have heart and the right tone. We all know the fight scenes and trailer will be bad ass.
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Perfect!!!!!!!!!! Fuck Shiteville .That plastic dead horse is beyond flogged , Welling is is a soap opera actor,.....John Hamm is THE ideal choice. reTARDIS is spot on with James Callis (Boltar) for Zod too , that would beyond amazing.....
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Really? They make okay henchmen but you can hardly build an entire story around them without Lex. Zod is much greater threat because he has the same power as Superman without any of the morals.
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I'll be in my bunk...
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Stupid shit like a dude thinking a handgun will succeed where a mounted machine gun wouldn't against Kal all for the sake of some lameass slo-mo shot.
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As long as it's not Lex Luthor!
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That's debatable given we have never seen the guy in anything decently written.
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THat went a long way in making Superman Returns suck.
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Miscasting Lois made Superman Returns even shitier.
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Hey....wait a minute...
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Just as backlash against Superman returns.
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I also want Seth Rogen for Jimmy Olsen.
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We might even be sitting here discussing this flick if Schnieder hadn't been killed off on Smallville so it could keep in line with Returns. If he had stayed on, the show would've turned out so much better.
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Is that a character on Space Ghost?
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Why bringing a character made UBER-FAMOUS from the Richard Donner movie is beyond me. I thought they were done with that universe ? THE ELITE/Manchester Black as the villians PLEASE.
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but John Hamm does have the idealized look of an Alex Ross painting. Personally that's how I choose to imagine Superman. Zod, I'm cool with, although Braniac would've been my first choice. Especially after seeing that kick-ass trailer for DCU Online. I don't think having Zod is re-hashing Donnar. However, If they keep the Superman theme and Zod then we might have a problem. Above all, I really want them to keep the theme music. Iconic, completely heroic and instanly recognizable as THE Superman theme.
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http://tinyurl.com/2dnk7mq
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It's as important to the character as the costume at this point, and it doesn't hurt that's it's arguably the greatest theme ever written.
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Oct 05, 2010 2:44:05 AM CDT
Suoerman Returns was good, but this should be better
by harryblackpotter
Singers movie was too beholden to Donners original and the script was uneven and for a man who could fly faster than a speeding buller it moved too slowly. But it was still a fine movie and gorgeously shot. But kinda excited by a new take on the old boy scout.
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...without it's theme would you? Nothing will live up to, or be good enough. Keep it. Shit, that was the only exciting point of Superman Returns, finally getting to hear that score being played in the theaters for the first time since I was a kid.
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Superman IV.Doesn't that just depress the fuck out of people? Superman Returns was another Lex Luthor real-estate scam movie. And now they're going back to the well with General fucking Zod.In three or four years, I suppose they can CGI together a Richard Pryor avatar...
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I would have thought Snyder and Nolan's sensibilities were polar opposite. I am now officially interested.
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A Superman film to be produced by the director and writer of the first superhero film to take a billion at the box office and win an acting Oscar, which will be directed by a guy who actually pulled off what was thought to be impossible and filmed the 'unfilmable' Watchman... and you Fucktards are STILL complaining!!!! So should you wake up to find Claudia Shciffer sat on your face, Paz Vega licking your balls and Emma Watson riding your cock like she had a gun to her head... I'm willing to wager that you pricks would complain that it tickles!!!!!!!! No fucking hope or clue about anything is what you have gentlemen.
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Would be funny with Rorschach in the movie and the guy who plays him. He could be kind of an interloper.
with after credits stunt scene for the JL movie. green light appearing through the window.
John Williams still going strong. Bring him back to score. He could add Harry Potter like music to add the "light touches" that Synder's weak on. Cameo by the Joker and Scarecrow too. They were visiting Metropolis.
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It doesn't mean this will be a re-hash of Donner's Superman sequel. The Joker was in Burton's Batman and Nolan's. Two totally different movies.
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Hell yes! I've loved ALL of Snyder's efforts so far ... well, ok, I only really liked Watchmen, but that's only because I wasn't a big Watchmen fan to begin with. As long and he can deliver the eye-pwnage EPIC visuals, breath-taking action sequences that only a superman can pull off, characters that we can actually care about (heart), stay true to its comic book roots, and deliver a great Superman story that can stand on its own w/o the Donner worship, this will be great ... though they can "steal" some of Zod's lines. ;) Casting the right actor for Superman and Zod will be key to this too. I feel sorry for Brandon Routh. He had the look and personality, but Singer made him seem so stale, 2D, and depressing. No Superman with angst please! in terms of the mood, definitely do not go the dark Batman route ... that simply is NOT Superman. Superman is supposed to be a idealistic, strong, and moral leader in a cynical, polarized, and compromised world. At least that's how I saw him in the comics. I'm a Nolan fan too so I have great faith in that the movie will have a great cast of ACTORS, won't suck, will have substance, and not be made for teenage girls. Can't wait!
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Two great minds and they still feel the need to borrow from Donner ? Wow. Superman The Movie IS alive and well.
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we better finally be getting an EPIC fight worthy of Superman, i mean something we would see in one of DC's animated shows with Supes and or villian being punched through buildings etc..
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hmmm... uhh... err... (I got nothing).... wait. Oh yeah I've got one..
"I'm always around'. That's a line that he says to his out of wedlock kid. -
I am now very interested in this film.
Watchmen Directors cut is fuckin' superb.
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John Williams can in fact make new fantastic ones.
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ZACK THE FUCKING SHITTY HACK SNYDER??? THAT FUCKING PUSSY ASSHOLE???? This can't be true, this can'tbe true!!! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!Why, Nolan? Why? Why have you forsaken us so? What the hell is wrong with you, man? Was Nolan replaced by a pod or soemthing? Zack the Fucking Hack Snyder? Fucking shit, man!! Fucking fucking shit! Motherfucker! Fuck! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!!
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So don't think Zod is the only baddie in this. They are keeping the identity a secret right now, and I predict it will be a popular villain from the comics. And also I feel they should go for depicting Superman/Clark as an older man who is experienced already as a superhero. It would set this movie apart from all the other comic book superhero movies that are emphasizing on rebooting things with a young cast (i.e. X-Men).
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I'm not following you, man. We should be excited about this because one guy made a film that got a significant boost because of it's star's death? Also I most certainly WOULD NOT want Claudia sitting on my face. The chick probably STILL has Copperfield stank on her. I wouldn't want Emma in on that scenario either, dude. For one, she never really did anything for me, and after that Nanny McPhee flick!? No thanks, bro. Paz Vega though? Yes please.
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It had such iconic imagery, explorations of the human condition (and Kryptonian!), and fully showed the magnitude of Superman's powers. Not to mention the SPECTACULAR plane sequence.
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Guess, he stood too nearby the incoming wormhole....
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... total fucking shit fucking peice of hack "director". Really, what the fuck?Dear ;r Christopher Nolan, it's still soon enough to corect the worst mystake in your whole career, the hiring of Zack Snyder as a director for this movie. I really hope he gets replaced in a hurry, like once MCG was for a previous superman movie project. Really, it's something i'll never understand, this constant hiring of hacks to make big important flagship movies, with some notable exceptions liek Nolan himself for the Batman movies. Really, talented directors actually work for this type of movies too, one doesn't need to be reduced to the miserable untalented fucking hacks like Zack The Hack Snyder. What piece of shit news this was. Most depressing. The movie is fucked, no matter who is producting or writing it. Nolan migth as well step down from producing and give it to Jerry Bruckheimer, for the hamr that is already done. Goyer migth as well give the writing job to Jar Jar Abrams and Porci and Klutzman, for the harm that's already done.What a terrible way to start the day with such terrible news. I'm very disapointed!
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Bring it on. I would have preferred another director, but Snyder knows how to make an entertaining film.
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Why shall i have to cross the valley of the death and endure the inequity of untalented fuckign hacks for thy sake? It's fucking unfair, man! I have been such a support, and this is how you reward me? Dammit! Dammit! I'm still buying the INCEPTION DVD, though.
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Yes please!
How about action sequences similar to intensity of this trailer?
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How about introducing Lex as a kingpin on the path to becoming a US President? -
Should still be Zemeckis. Chris, do not read my previous post and follow Asimov's request.
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Snyder does? Since his first movie, i haven't seen one single entertaiming movie from his. Where is this mythical entertaining movie made by Zack The Hack Snyder? Never seen it. Has he made any other movie besides DAWN OF TH DEAD, 300, WATCHMENT and SUCKER PUNCH that i'm not aware of? Frankly, how can anybody call being insulted like a retard with 300 and WATCHMEN be considered entertaiment?
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Fucking Zemeckis? What, and turn the movie into a creepy cartoon with creepy dead eyed characters? Is that a solution? Chosing between zack The Hack Snyder and Robert The Hack Zemeckis is like having to chose between hell and hades, you still end up with a bad deal.
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I'm glad that Christopher Nolan was finally able to acknowledge the lack of warmth and emotion in his films and chose a director for Superman who can bring emotion and character development to the Man of Steel.....Zach Snyder.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!
You poor DC fans. You sad bastards have my sympathy.
I will not pay to see another Snyder movie, as he is a brainless twit. Style over substance personified. He's no better than Michael Bay. Nolan is a heartless filmmaker as well. And Goyer should not be let near comic book films again. WB must be really run by idiots. -
But it's still fucking Zack the motherfucking fucking hack fuck Snyder! FUCKIGN SHIT, MAN! FUCKING FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCKING SHITTY FUCK!
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Bob's reportedly moved on from the CGI-thing, and mentioned he would've liked a crack at the job.
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Your comentaries about Nolan andcomparing him to Michelle Bay are idiotic. I'm sorr,y but they are. You cna't find harm in Nolan's movies? That's maybem, because, like, Nolan doesn't pull the sentimentaloid melodramatic bullshit crap designed to make bitches emote? Well, if you ask me, thank god for that. Soembody has to make more restrained movies that use easy emotionalisms to sell the movie to a crownd. and he's doing it quite well, considering the sucess of INCEPTION. Thank goodness not all filmmakers are making snetimentaloid bullshit. Bring them all those "cold" movies, bring them on!
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Great! Now Bobby Zemeckis will direct a life action movie like it's a CGI cartoon. He can go fuck himself!
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Most of the current movie-going audience, born in the 1980s or even early 1990s, have no idea who Zod is, nor do they care if he was in Superman II. Let go of your nostalgia for your idealized childhoods, friends. Seriously.
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This means Snyder isn't gong to be available to fuck up any other properties I actually care about for a while!!
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Oct 05, 2010 3:40:06 AM CDT
General Zod????? BORING!! BORING!! BORING!! SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
by jonchambers
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Snyder gets one of the hottest gigs in hollywood. I'm intrigued to say the least. Haven't seen his Legend of the Guardians yet, but I really liked 300. Watchman was a little disappointing, if visually stunning. As long as he doesn't get the "Bourne" disease of filmimg everything in a shaky-cam style I'll be happy - slow mo? That's fine with me.
As for Supes... well, am I the only one thinking Tom Welling? He's grown so much into the role in Smallville and he would be perfect. Only choice for me. Meanwhile, Erica Durance has created the best on screen portrayal of Lois Lane, so she too should not be overlooked.
I doubt this will happen though, but nevertheless I can not wait to see Snyder/Nolan/Goyer's version of Superman to see the light of day! -
Oct 05, 2010 3:40:50 AM CDT
WORST VILLAIN IMAGINABLE!!!! HORRIBLE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by jonchambers
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Um, the complaints are mostly based on the overuse of the character rather than besmirchment.
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No pisstaking, respect man.
I'm curious to see how Snyder would do it as all I know of him is dark gloomy shit.
I'm still standing by Welling though.
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Yeah...well...that's just like your opinion, man.
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Hell, there were people who thought zombieland was the sequel to adventureland. I like Welling, but unless they invest fully in the smallville universe (and I dont think they should), I want to see fresh faces all around.
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Let's hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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Oct 05, 2010 4:04:14 AM CDT
Carla Gugino as Lois Lane is actually a really great idea...
by borishumphrey
Smart, sexy, great actress. Perfect match for Hamm. FUCK Tom Welling and FUCK Smallville. If you cast Tom Welling as Superman, audiences will feel like they have to go and watch all two hundred seasons of that fuckin terrible show just to be in the loop. Every night, I thank the baby Jesus that geeks don't get to make decisions for movies, tv, comics, video games etc.
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at the end of the day,its your beloved god Nolan that he chose to hire him to direct the movie.Sooooo your god has a different opinion on this matter.HA.
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you know, in the story Goyer pitched to Nolan, that Nolan loved. So even though I'm not happy about Zod either, I bet the story is great... which means we'll see if Snyder is the real deal or just a glorified music video director lol. I understand why people are complaining about either the villain or the director or both. But yeah. At least Nolan is producing it, we'll get a new Superman movie that is well written and looks great, and hopefully doesn't suck like Watchmen or 300. Personally I'm supportive of Zack and hope this movie rocks.
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Oct 05, 2010 4:14:46 AM CDT
truthfully I wouldn't say 300 and Watchmen 'suck'
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
but they weren't that great, either. 300 was entertaining enough, I got pretty bored towards the end though. Watchmen was serviceable, it dragged a lot in parts but I left the theater partly satisfied. I absolutely love his style and art direction. the Sucker Punch trailer looks fucking bad ass.
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1. Brandon Routh. A great Superman. Guy should be supes again.
2. The John Williams Superman theme. Though the theme shouldnt feature at the start. The theme should feature about 1 hour into the movie when Clark finally dons the cape...the first few tunes play out as the camera pans up over the "S" on his outfit...then a heroic shot looking upwards at Superman to have the score scream out DUN DA DUH~! that would rock the house. -
and one more thing that it needs is:
MORE COWBELLS !!!!!!!!!! -
I kinda dug Watchmen, I mean visually it's great, but the story just didn't work as well as in the comics (I'm talking beyond the changes), and that can be attributed to several things. Like I said, I'm not exactly fond of some of the casting choices, but the real issue is Zack just IS NOT an actor's director. Too many scenes he just let the actors breeze through the lines without displaying an ounce of emotion, and it just felt hollow. Just take a look at the scene where The Comedian guns down his mistress in Vietnam. It's obvious he completely misread that from Jeffrey Dean Morgan's performance. Or that dinner between Laurie and Dan where they're reminiscing about their crime fighting past. You need someone that can guide their talent with dialogue that seems too fantastic, instead of just being satisfied they reciting their lines and hope the visuals will be good enough to get him by. Total style over substance. I just hope, like some of us are worried about, that it'll be a slo-mo bluescreen-fest. I honestly don't mind the gloom, but I don't want it to dominate the film. As far as Welling goes, he should have got it, but that was years ago. WB should've took more control in Smallville...at least to better it rather than place restrictions on it. They should've built this up and spun it off like TNG (though that's really not a good example because the TNG flicks blew). But what they did do with it was pretty brilliant. It's dvd returns help keep it on the air for ten seasons (as well as The WB and CW afloat) and kept the interest in Superman up for two films. Too much crap has happened with that show's continuity and villain usage to justify a spinoff and no amount of retconning or Infinite Crisising or whatever would fix that. And just bringing Welling over would be awkward. I still believe though, that they'll give him a dvd movie deal eventually, which is honestly better than nothing if you're a fan. I know I'll buy them.
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...but please don't make it fucking Jude Law.
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...to the point it's kinda grating (which is a shame). Casting her as Lois might not be the best move.
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Zod and Luther? They need to stop making these movies small...and yes..Superman Returns was SMALL. They need to think HUGE, make it with amazing special effects...Supes has to do more than LIFT things...he has to fight...he has to be challenged. For the love of god no more Lex Luthor PLEASE!
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What is wrong with the studios? Why Zod? Zod was Superman 2? We have done Zod. We don't need another Zod movie! Awful awful decision. I still think Brandon Routh should continue...
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...for the first time since it's midnight release, they really need to bring the classic yellow S on red cape back, Singer's shit was ugly. And for the love of god don't make the curl so fucking prominent this time around.
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I actually find this news depressing. Snyder makes films that look like comics, but even less real.
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Oct 05, 2010 4:43:17 AM CDT
Also, I just saw that Sucker Punch trailer for the first time.
by shermdawg
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT??? It's like someone sat a thirteen year old down and ask him to list everything he thought was cool and they just threw all of that shit in there regardless if it meshed and cranked the slo-mo machine fullblast. Jesus, man. It's getting really sad.
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He hasn't made a perfect flick yet, but Synder has a great eye for stylized action and I'm sure Nolan will keep a close eye on things. I was a Superman freak as a kid, so I'm happy that this thing is finally getting some legs. Here's hoping...
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Ooooooo..if Nolan felt there was mileage in retreading this character then colour me interested.Zod in 'For Tomorrow' was kinda interesting, but this is Nolan people. NOLAN!With him overseeing the exuberance of Snyder (who is always faithful to source material, I'll give him that) then this could be a blast!
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and Nolan says STFU I do what I want, suck it bitches!
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With fake Kahn like rubber prosthetic body for Zod!
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That's who.
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I wish.
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And it being a crying one at that. I don't know what came over me.
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1) Bryan Singer needs to be able to do a director's cut of his film-- the trip to Krypton (as I've heard it described) has to be in there. It sets up the entire mood of the film more than simple text could ever do. I'm convinced that if we saw that, Superman Returns would make so much more sense, emotionally. It makes the whole "I've been gone a long time..." aspect more powerful. 2) Snyder needs to keep very close to the original Williams score. 3) No slow-motion 4) Routh-- he was and is about as close as it comes to how we see Superman. Keep him. He was the best thing about "..Returns". 5) Snyder, make the action dynamic but let your actors ACT. Pay attention to them! Listen to the scene through headphones sans picture before you say you've got it. I wish you the best of luck.....
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First - Bryan Singer's film was too much of a homage to the Donner movie. It was a bold attempt at reboot (like Star Trek) but didn't work in the end. Kudos for the bold attempt, though. However, in the light of that movie, I feel this should be a clean start. Second thought - although 300 was ultimately an idiotic film (a despotic state claiming it fought for 'freeeedom', with no ironic gloss from the director), I do think that Watchmen was really really good. It wasn't just a case of looking good - he got some fantastic performances and every scene counted. It's very difficult to take something like Iron Man 2 seriously having seen Watchmen and thought about what it has to say regarding superheroes.
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...after as much as he talked about that ship sequence beforehand, he ended up cutting it. Also, if Routh does return (which I seriously doubt he will), he better bulk up a bit more. Between that unflattering suit and him all skinny, that was not the best look for Supes.
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Should have gone with Scott but definitely no LEX.
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Now kneel before Zod
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this superman is going to have a bulging 6 pack
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come on now seriously,who modern young actor has enough scenic gravitas and posture which will allow him to say that line without becoming cheesy and ridiculous?
Terence Stamp played his character with such seriousness, grandeur and arrogance that not only made him a very cool and memorable movie villain and Superman's enemy but also the definitive version of Zod,which has since then made a big comeback in the comics.
So if you are trying to find the perfect actor to play Superman,you might as well try and find the perfect actor to play ZOD.after all its the baddie that makes a movie more interesting,not the hero.right? -
From MTV..."Last spring, during the previous who-will-play-the-superhero sweepstakes (this one was for Captain America), Hamm had this to say to MTV: “It’s a tricky road to go down with some of those heroes, because they’re not flawed. Superman is Superman — he’s invincible, so where’s the drama?”
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1) He looks the part.
2) He can act.
3 And this is the most important. If you want a big hit, a real cross demographic crowd pleaser like "Titanic" you need to bring in more than 14 year old boys. 14 year old boys are going to see a Superman movie regardless but, if you want people over 30 to go see your movie you need a star that isn't a 20 year old boy-man.
Reeve may have been 25 but, he seemed a bit older in the part. Trust me teenage girls will wet their panties over Hamm so will 60 year old women and all the ladies inbetween.
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Says "Winona Ryder's Pussy Juice" (and I'm giving him a compliment by making it possessive). If Routh isn't Superman in this one, and I believe, regardless of what we all thought of the film, he was the best thing about it. He deserves another chance. Agreed?
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and No 'Kneel before Zod' especially. C'mon be creative people. Jeez.
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Afterall, it's all about the script with Snyder: give him a decent script, he'll do decent movie, given that the themes aren't too complex for him to handle. As it was with the Wacthmen.
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Sounds like my worst nightmare. I will say this, though: So far Snyder has impressed me. I thought 300 would suck, instead was an awesomely cheesy guilty pleasure. I thought Watchmen would suck. It didn't. I'm still not a fan of his style. His slo-mo combat porn fight scenes did not suit Watchmen at all. And he seems to have a thing for ridiculously elaborate softcore sex scenes. He's a fratboy director, just like Eli Roth and Guy Ritchie. Don't know if that's what Superman needs.
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It could be as simple as Superman has a midlife crisis.
He has been protecting the Earth for twenty year from criminals, super-villains, space monsters and natural disasters (We're gonna need a montage). Yet things don't seem to be getting better they actually seem to be getting worse.
Superman begins to ask himself if he has really made a difference? He has sacrificed so much, he can't be with Lois, he can't have a family. He's tired and maybe wants to hang up the cape. Then the government asks him to do something questionable in the name of "National Security". Superman has enough and quits.
Zod shows up and offers himself as a "New Superman" to the government but, quickly turns the tables on his handlers and institutes a fascist reign of terror. Superman needs to put the cape back on to restore "Truth, Justice and the American Way". -
Bring in Jonathan Nolan. For the love of God NO ZOD.
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That guy is a truly dreadful director. When his best film is Dawn of the Dead, then you know this Superman hasn't a hope in hell. Anybody who rates Snyder knows nothing about film. FACT!
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10 guys huh? Name them.
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Is definitely built for the job, but he has a Seth Rogen-esque voice... But having a voice that doesn't match a strong body never stopped Ryan Reynolds...
I bet it will be down to Hammer and Padalecki, with Padalecki getting the advantage due to the fact that Sony is seemingly snatching up EVERYONE from "The Social Network" and putting them in other Sony properties. -
Oct 05, 2010 6:10:14 AM CDT
The drama in Superma? he cant fuck without killing his partner
by killik
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"One possibility already shot down though is Brandon Routh returning as the Man of Steel. Snyder tells Variety that the chances of the "Superman Returns" star coming back into the fold are "unlikely" as "we're looking in another direction".
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shit this movie is going to tear the fucking roof of the house.... can we have metallo please or darksied or mongul or doomsday....?!!!!
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Oct 05, 2010 6:15:08 AM CDT
I liked Routh and Superman Returns, flaws and all
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
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zod being the main villain sounds like a rumor....
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Exactly, everyone has a boner for Don Draper, but he's old. People on this site are so against 20 somethings, yet back in the day that's all that was cast. And anyone saying, why are they thinking of a franchise instead of one movie, you just don't know Hollywood. Why invest 200 million to make a movie if there is no franchise potential attached. Cast a late 20's, early 30's person who is over 6'3 and can act. And if he is from the USA even better. Tired of Brits getting high profile roles in the USA and fucking it up.
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Definetely not pulling a Marvel.
Batman : Dark, Gritty Superhero realism.
Green Lantern : Superhero space opera.
SUPERMAN : Epic Superhero fantasy.
No, these worlds do not collide because they want to get the character right first. I salute all the people involved in this wise choice of decisions.
Now go scrap Zod.
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I have a hard time believing this "Fresh Take" includes Zod. Unless Zod is the mastermind that unleashes/controls another villain.
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This thing just gets worse and worse. Singer was getting pelters (and rightly so) for suggestions that he was going to use Zod in his sequel.
I know many think that the problems with the last Superman were because he wasn't punching robots into space, but my problems were with the characterisations. Superman was a peeping Tom with a bastard son; Lois was a nasty, spiteful woman; Lex was even more of a buffoon. It needed interesting, engaging characters and a hero who we could actually root for. I'm not sure if I'll get that in the new film either.
Asimov - I too am despondent over this choice of director. But considering that Nolan loves Michael Bay movies (I know, I know) perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised that he's gone for someone so bombastic when many fans are braying for spectacle? However, he has yet to make a bad film (although there's always a first time) so until Superman is released I'll just keep hoping that he's not dropped a clanger here.
Oh, and in what world did Watchmen make $250 million? It made $185 million on a budget of $130 million, but that's not including P&A, or the cut that had to go to Fox. The film was a bomb. -
Couldn't agree more. This movie is going to tear the fucking ROOF of the HOUSE. Period.
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I think that figure includes DVD Rental gross and DVD Sales.
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As long as Superman isn't wearing maroon, things should be half-decent.
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It was a "bomb". Not a huge one, but it was a gamble that didn't translate into huge gross. I didn't enjoy it because I had zero connection to the source material. BUT dammit it looked good. Snyder made a great looking movie for 130 million. To compare, Singer made X2 for 135 million and that movie had no real visual style. X2 was a bigger hit, but it was a sequel to a hit film based on a well known property.
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Been there, Zod that. It will be hard for any Superman movie to come along and 'beat' Smallville after 10 seasons, especially as they dealt with Zod recently.
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Snyder has style and the ability to shoot action in super slo-mo, but I just don't find any heart to his movies between the actors and the plot. DAMMIT! My only hope is that with Nolan and Goyer along for the ride that they can offset Snyder's weaknesses.
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http://tinyurl.com/2wtqczq
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He has forsaken me.
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To everyone out there getting jumpy - just calm down. WB will always view Superman as a franchise, and this relaunch will be designed as the first in a new series. Zod is perfect for a first movie - not too out there, brings Krypton mythology with him, not as boring as Lex, and will almost certainly be an improvement on S2's campy version (though I love me some Terrence Stamp). Snyder has directed some of the best action scenes of the past 5 years, while Nolan has consistently delivered the most mentally engaging mainstream action films for about the past decade. I genuinely haven't seen a bum note in the planning so far (save perhaps for Goyer's involvement) - bring on the casting!
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Nolan likes Bay's movies? Where's the proof of that?
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But fucking Snyder? Hell no! Of all the people to be chosen, him? Jesus, who is holding somebody of Nolan's family in ransom? "Hire the hack or your mom gets it, Nolan!"
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see ladies and gentlemen,thats what happens when you have an arrogant attitude of expressing your opinions as absolute truths and worshiping someone as a movie god,while trashing everyone else.
yep Asimov,i am talking about you.suck it now,your god approves of your hack.HA. -
It goes against all logic, but it's blood true according to Wally Pfister!
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/08/24/christopher-nolan-loves-watching-michael-bay-movies/
“…there are the movies out there that he loves and I hate. I’m not a big Michael Bay fan. Chris loves Michael Bay’s movies. And so I’m always like come on, dude! But he sees something in it, and I don’t see it.”
We all have our guilty pleasures, I suppose. I love 'Last Action Hero'. But Bay and Nolan? Could you get more polarising filmmakers? -
Superman NEEDS to retain that "Boy Scout" banner Batman pinned on him. Metropolis also needs to be brighter then say Gotham, but can still have a dark underbelly. Have Luthor involved, BUT PLEASE MAKE HIM THE MODERN INCARNATION. Make him the Billionaire Mogul of Metropolis.
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Look at it this way... who would have thought Peter Jackson would have delivered the LOTRs trilogy the way he did when they announced him as the director? I didn't.
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Is that I think with Snyder, we will get a visually accurate depiction. The bad news..as noted in the article, we may not get the optimistic tone a Supes film should have. Also wish they'd consider giving us a villian we haven't seen on screen before, but if they get the costumes right I could live with it. Welling or Armie Hammer for supes.
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When director's like Uwe Boll exist I'll never know. Snyder's weaknesses still put him a cut above the rest. He's smarter than he looks. He just needs to cut down the slo mo but whatever its his signature style. I'll take it over shakey cam action any day.
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The future of dc movies is riding on this one, it needs another dark knight...
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Like some, i have no problem with a total reboot of the Superman sotry. i don't midnthat at all. Tell the origin story again, i'm totally and completly cool with that. While i might know more about superman then most of the so-called average audience, i don't know as much as the more ardent geekry, therefore, i have no bones with a origin story, i even welcomed it. I don't mind the reuse of General Zod. I even think that a reuse of Lex Luthor can be achieved. And who knows, bring some unused Superman villain in the movies.So, no, i don't have a problem with many things about a Superman movie-to-be. What i have a problem is with FUCKING ZACK FUCKING HACK SNYDER! Fuck this shit, man!
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I'm sooo tired of seeing them rehash the same villains over and over again. General Zod? Let's see, this will be the fourth time Hollywood has gone to General Zod in TV and Movies. Once with Christopher Reeves, Twice on Smallville, and this would be number four. It's the same thing with Lex Luthor. You would think that they are the only two villains in the DC universe when it comes to Superman. Hollywood proves yet again that it's lost its imagination,and brings us more of the same crap in a different bag. What about Darkseid? Mongul? Braniac? Metallo? There are so many truly epic villains that have never been touched and us DC Fans chomp at the bit for them --but this is apparently the best they have to offer.
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HEAVENLY CREATURES was enough to make me realise that Peter Jackon could deliver the LOTR movies. What is it in fucking Zack The Fucking Hack Snyder that can convince you that he can direct traffic, much less a movie? When your best and smartest movie is the remake of DAWN OF THE DEAD, you are one serious fucking untalented hack.
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Was as good as it was ever going to get. Its only ever going to be downhill from that movie.
Still I love the big blue cheese and am glad to see some movement towards a new movie. I dont like this too-many-cooks vibe though, not one bit! Nolan dosent suit superman at all, his involvement will be minimal, trust me, it all a clever marketing scam WB are pulling to get the 30 somethings interest up. Nolan and Snyder are both directors at heart. Nolan is exec producer in name only he not going to interfere in snyders directing , and why would he? he has hardly any interest in the character of Superman to begin with.this is STUDIO MARKETING boys and girls, wake up and smell the bullshit people.
"Nolans Superman" give me a break! this is now Snyders Superman for good or for bad .grandpa Nolan will show up for a press piece here and there during the shooting but he will not change one directors decision Snyder makes!
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Sicne when liking LAST ACTION HERO is a guilty pleasure? That movie is genuinaly good. It's a good movie. no shame in liking that, man. What, you bought all that dogmatic bullshit about that movie? It's bullshit. The movie is good, really good, no shame in that, man.I really can't udnerstand what Nolan could see in a Michelle Bayass movie. Maybe he's like Tarantino, in that, Tarantino watches this incredibly bad cheap movies and he ses stuff in them that he then reusees in his movies and look brillant. i don't know, i guess it takes a genious to see past the shit in a Bay movie... nah, it's jsut puzzlign. Makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Maybe Nolan just loves to upset Wally Pfister and he's pulling his leg.
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Not every genius sits around all day watching Fellini movies and reading the wall street journal? We all just want some simple fun every now and then. Bay's loud distractions are not the worst movies I've ever seen. I give Uwe Boll that honor.
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In what good direction was WATCHMEN for? That movie proved, again, what a clueless idiot that Zack The Fucking Hack Snyder is. The guy is pushing 40 and he has the mental process and the mental immaturity of a early teenager, not to mention the same crass ignroance. In fact, Zack The Fucking Hack is progressively getting worst with age,aand as each movie goes by. He's getting more and more infantille. I can't fucking believe that an adult was responsible for the fucking movies he made.
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patrick wilson. snyder put him in watchmen and he played the perfect clark kent in that movie. i think he is the right age and has the right aura about him. good actor too.
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Michey Bayass movies ARE THE WORST MOVIES EVER MADE! Bayass is Boll with a budget and a californian accent. That Bayass uses even bigger budgerts only makes his case even worst, because to fuck up so bad as he does while you have all the means and money in the world, it means you are completly untalented. Bayass is the worst director that ever lived. He's Ed Wood with a gigantic budget. The fucker is a nulity, he's a black hole of talent, he actually has NEGATIVE TALENT. He's the only director i really hate.
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Please be a better script that 'Returns'. While Snyder will be cool, the script is what failed 'Returns'. Please just have a better script this time!
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Somebody posted this on another site. Sounds good to me.
A group of meta-humans calling themselves the Elite suddenly appear on the world scene and Superman doesn't like it. They are able to stop some heavy-duty terrorists, but not without killing them, and not without huge, and unnecessary, loss of civilian life. However, many people think that the Elite are the way forwards, the only way to deal with increasingly more dangerous evil-doers. Superman, however, resolutely refuses to kill. Eventually, they are headed on a collision course with Superman who disagrees with their method. All hell breaks loose as The Elite hails themselves as supreme savior of mankind. -
are David Lynch and Michael Bay. And their favourite film maker is Stanley Kubrick. Weird.
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Im just saying that Watchmen was better than 300, not that that wouldnt be hard in fairness!just saying that watchmen was 10x the movie 300 was , maybe Snyder has matured even more since then. maybe. i have a bad feeling regardless.
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I liked Watchmen a lot.
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The guy is perfect. 6'5, 200lbs, the perfect face and he can act, and he's young enough to do sequels, which is the problem with getting someone like Jon Hamm, good as he may be.
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Yeah, I honestly think Last Action Hero is a good film - one almost ahead of its time with the use of meta. But to most people the film is disliked, so it kind of is regarded a guilty pleasure by most I speak with. But, hey, I like it which I why I mentioned it here.
Yeah, I don't know what Nolan sees in Bay's film (the fact he could see anything in that shaky cam mess is a miracle in itself). I didn't believe it when I first heard the rumour. Maybe he sometimes likes to kick back and watch brain dead rot to prevent his own from overheating? Or maybe he just likes the way Bay betrays all basic logic. It just doesn't seem right though looking at some of Nolan's favourite filmmakers: Kunrick, Mann, Ridley Scott, Roeg... Bay! It's one of life's great mysteries!
TheManWhoCan - I agree that Nolan probably won't do much heavy lifting on the film. How could he when his Batman film is due five months earlier? He might have some input into post-production, but all he'll have to work with is Snyder's material. This film is going to be more Snyder than Nolan for sure. For me that's not a good thing, but it probably is for the majority and the Box Office... -
What the hell. I meant Kubrick obviously.
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Nolan being producer horseshit???
I can see the poster now:"from the producer of the dark knight"
Then when the film bombs due to being shit the DVD/Bluray cover will say "from the director of 300 and Watchmen" instead!
Nolan probably has this condition in place before agreeing to lend his name to the studio illusion. That way he can take credit if it’s a critical and commercial success. And has the option distance himself from the home market sales if it’s a failure and most people will forget his “involvement”.
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ever written. I'm the famous comedian, Arnold Braunschweiger!
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British Screen Legend Sir Norman Wisdom died today and not one mention on this site!!
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"Practice. John Practice!"
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C'mon, do we really need General Zod? And please, stay away from Donner references.
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If they kill the kid and the hubby, that would make me happy. After killing them, Zod whispers in supes ear: you owe me.
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SPOILER ALERT!!! DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN 'THE DARK KNIGHT!!!
Beaks, did you see "The Dark Knight?!" I don't know if you noticed or not, but the Joker was proven wrong. They didn't blow up the boat at the end. Either group - the rich snobs or the hardened criminals. I'm not sure how you parsed that ending, but that struck me as a pretty damn optimistic view of humanity.
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Fucking Zod?! REALLY? Nobody else than ZOD?!
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But it seems like he might be doing some time after all...
"John McTiernan has been handed a one-year sentence for committing perjury during the trial of P.I.-to-the-stars Anthony Pellicano.
During the investigation into Pellicano's nefarious dealings, it came to light that McTiernan hired him, paying $50,000 to wiretap "Rollerball" producer Charles Roven. McTiernan inititally lied to the FBI about his involvement. He ended up initially pleading guilty in 2007 and being sentenced to four months in prison. However, he withdrew his plea, was ordered to have a new trial and has now ended up being sentenced to one year. He's also been fined $100,000 and ordered to serve three years probation. He is currently out on bond and his lawyers plan to appeal." -
It's become iconic and can't be topped. It's like fucking with the Star Wars theme.
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http://rubberbabybuggybumpers.ytmnd.com/
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Too much information. Not too long ago you didn't know anything about a movie until you read about it in Starlog or Fangoria 3 months before it came out. I remember seeing the trailer for "Return of the Jedi" and thinking to myself "cool, they are making another Star Wars movie". Now we know every detail about every project 2-3 years before it gets released and nerds and mouthbreathers everywhere waste time that could be better spent losing weight or making sex with real-life women (over 18) bitching and moaning about how their world will come crashing down if the movie doesn't meet or exceed expectations. Newsflash, assholes: MOST COMIC BOOK MOVIES ARE PIECES OF SHIT! They are made to sell toys and make children happy. Once every 5-10 years you get a "Superman II" or a "Dark Knight" but for the most part they are all "Barb Wire"s, "Tank Girl"s, and "Fantastic Four"s. Count your fucking stars that they aren't all treated with kid gloves and that studios spend money on this horseshit to begin with. Don't get me wrong, I love me some Superman movies. I got to grow up with the excitement of "Superman the Movie" and "Superman II" and the fun and campy black & white live-action Superman TV shows. I already lived through the hype of the best so I could care less if this was 3 hours of slo-mo Superman fighting hordes of zombies, Spartans, and a giant robot spider. Now turn off your computer, put down the pop-tarts, take a bath, and get a gym membership and make Superman proud.
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As majestic as it is, they should compose something new. How many thought that Danny Elfman's Batman theme was irreplaceable? They should create something new. It might not be as iconic as Williams but it would probably suit the tone of the film better. They should force one on Snyder though because his favourite, Tyler Bates, is crap and a plagiarist.
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Snyder has a very specific kind of style & attitude. even if it doesn't fully work it's probably going to be fascinating.
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i like the Patrick Wilson suggestion too. he was great in "Watchmen". either guy would be interesting.
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Watch that show, Superman Returns looks like Shakespear at times compared to that. I like the choice since its someone with experience in comic books. He also filmed the unfilmable graphic novel of all time and minus the ending, it was pretty spot on. Zod instead of Braniac is interesting, I would have preferred to see a new villain on screen instead of probably rehashing an old one.
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Really bummed to hear this news. So not only is David Goyer writing the script (it should have been Jonathan Nolan instead -- Goyer is a terrible writer) but Snyder gets picked to direct? Snyder hasn't made a single film that I've liked and somehow he gets trusted with one of the most important comic book franchises in the history of film. Very sad.
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Why Zod? WTF. I just got done saying how great it would be to have other stories to illustrate room in the mythos and we have to fucking retread. UGH.
Yes, I am one of the few who hates Superman 2 ( hate the donner version far less though )
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New. New. New. Please.
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great.
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If you asked me to hum something from Baleman's flicks, I honestly couldn't do it. It wouldn't fit those films admittedly, but nothing as memorable has came from them as of yet. Superman NEEDS the theme though. Watching a new movie without it will feel just as strange as playing OoT and it lacking the Zelda theme. It could be amazing but there'd still be a feeling something important is missing in the experience.
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Oct 05, 2010 9:04:20 AM CDT
Cgih8ter ur a douchebag everyone loves crossovers and hates ZOD
by superwelling
and no one likes you u tool!
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He's got the size, experience and personality for Supe'. Just give him a nose job.
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Perfect!!!
To those that grumble about these two being too dark for Supes remember that both have made probably the amongst the vey best adaptions of comic books over recent years & are obviously clear minded & intelligent enough individuals to know what Superman is all about. This movie now resides just a notch below Batman 3 on my anticipation meter! -
God bless him but he's just TOO OLD. Superman should not be a fucking 40 year old for chrissakes
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sigh
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Not to be.
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I am a huge superman fan and anyone that says he is lame or to powerful to be interesting has only seen the film versions of the character or watch one of the tv adaptions. There is more to the man of steel then super powers he a beacon of hope in a world filled with cynical bastards. I love the original film and II, and even the Donner cut. I liked superman returns. It was a good superman movie, it has it flaws. Not enough action, Miscast of Lois but it did alot of things right too. I like Zack he was not my first choice but it is still going to be exciting. Finally at least on the action front people will get to see why superman is the greatest of all hero's. I just hope he does not lose Superman's heart. because his heart is what really makes the character stand out above all the rest.
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It can't be that hard to find an actor who is talented, and the right height, and the right look, and the right age.
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he was the perfect clark kent in watchmen. i think he could also be the perfect superman.
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but otherwise i think hed be a good fit. perhaps they will go with an unknown tho
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stop talking about brandon routh. they are not going to bring him back. too many people have a bad after taste in their mouth after superman returns and bringing routh back won't help. somebody new is better
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Come on--gimmie Darkseid, Metallo, The Parasite, and Brainiac.
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He could definitely carry the giant S across his chest, which is the version we need now
http://tinyurl.com/2g2mhz4
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The man has been Clark/Supes for 10 years now. Do you really think he wants to add another 10 years? I have nothing against him- he's done well on the small screen. I"m betting he wants a break, thinking he can do "other roles" and not be known only as the Small Screen Superman.
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Just, because its New, doesn't mean its good. The Theme is as much a part of Superman as the suit. Pay the money and keep it, the new Batman films have a good score, but its not as good as Elfmen's score. Even the Animated series kept the score and it made the show.
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Oct 05, 2010 9:56:04 AM CDT
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1 - Lose the kid;2 - Get a real Lois Lane, not some 20 yr old who can't pass gas without taking off;3 - Luthor.. If he's in there.. NO MORE LAND SCHEMES!;4 - Send Singer on a field trip far far far away from the shooting;5 - try not to mess him up;6 - can the dark costume, birng back the BIG S on the chest, put the yellow S on the cape and make sure he can actually do something during the movie;7 - Side note: Kryptonite can really really hurt Superman, if a small shard almost killed him in Superman Returns ensure that a whole continent made of it would understandibly KILL HIM IN AN INSTANT!;8 - Clark Kent, not just a stand in .. use the damn character and try to give him more than four lines;9 - Jimmy, can be a good character if he isn't done in a so 40's-50's douche bag idiot way;10 - Superman has values, peeking into people's house ain't one of them;11 - A newspaper helicopter pilot and a reporter don't make enough money to buy a 10 million dollard house with helicopter pad right on the shore line admist all the buildings;12 - Take Singer's script... Burn it to shreds.. Take the ashes, bury them in a big field where no one will ever find it, burn the field... There... No go and makes us want to see this movie...
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40 is not to old for someone to be superman. He is superMAN for a reason. I am tired of superboy, Fuck Harrison Ford was 39 when he made the first Indiana Jones film. 40 is not to old.
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Sincerely. I almost can't get over it. It's ruined my FUCKING day.
Why does Superman get a Snyder not a Greengrass or even a Cuaron or Aranofsky?
Why does Superman get a Goyer and not a Gilroy?
In the 70s he got MARIO FUCKING PUZO. FUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKKKK.
And why does Supes get a fucking Nolan fucking 'twist'? Did Guy Pearce actually kill his wife? Fuck me, I only guessed it within seconds. Is Leonardo awake or asleep? Who fucking cares, he's a shit character with a shit bearded babyface.
This is all shit. Smallville has been a piece of shit for 10 years with a wooden lead, irritating as fuck sidekick chloe, and no ability to get it up.
Bryan Singer chose Routh - is he even an actor? He stinks in everything he's in, he looks fucking dumb.
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Darkseid is way too confusing for the general population, and handled poorly would look like a Power Rangers villain. Doomsday would work, but he's just very one dimensional, besides WB needs a good strong Superman film before they move forward with he inevitable "Death of Superman" storyline. Zod is a great choice, and the Nolan/Snyder combination is fantastic.
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Oct 05, 2010 10:02:44 AM CDT
It's hard not to get giddy at the thought of a Snyder-directed S
by indianapeach
Not it's not...it's not hard at all.......excitement level 0
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Oct 05, 2010 10:02:53 AM CDT
It's hard not to get giddy at the thought of a Snyder-directed S
by indianapeach
Not it's not...it's not hard at all.......excitement level 0
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Just so you know Mario Puzo's script was trash they rewrote everything. Donner said it was alot like the batman TV show. Hell there was a scene in it with superman walking down the street meeting jack Bennie. Leslie Newman is the one who rewrote it with everything we know about it today. Puzo got the credit because it was in his contract.
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Enjoy the trainwreck. I guess the only way to have fun at this shit is to marvel at the trainwreck that will be this movie. The enjoykent one can have at watching things going FUBAR very badly.
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Though given that Zod's in it, does this mean it's actually a follow-up to Superman Returns?
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This is a year 1 Superman. See the difference. Armie Hammer for Superman. P.S. Darth Philbin, You are also here and you have a geek username. Mind your surroundings you moron...
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Snyder hasn't made a bad movie yet.
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I mean, he knows his comic books, he looks the part and the guys who made The Wire thought he was a good enough actor to play himself in Generation Kill. Oh, and he's a fucking black-belt ex-Marine. Yeah, how many of you 14-year-old talkbackers would call him a "gay fag lol" when the costume photos turn up, knowing that he can kill you with his bare hands in any one of 47 different ways?
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Zack Snyder may not be the perfect film maker but when it comes to his choice of cast, music, and visuals he's half way there. Most directors can't even get those parts right (Ratner, McGee, Boll) so your "hack" tirade is really silly.
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If you left it up to fanboys no one would have thought of Heath Ledger for Joker. I want the film makers to find the one guy nobody is looking at and pick them. Fanboys knows shit about casting cause all they do is look for physical attributes. Hugh Jackman is too small to play wolverine...cry babies. Its about embodying the role not just looking the part. Routh looks like Superman but he didn't give it the heart it needed.
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No one whose movies go to the theater at least.
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the height difference has partly ruined the dynamic with Sabretooth in the movies.
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"One possibility already shot down though is Brandon Routh returning as the Man of Steel. Snyder tells Variety that the chances of the "Superman Returns" star coming back into the fold are "unlikely" as "we're looking in another direction". ________Well, my response to that is F@#K Zack Syder. Idiot.
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Maybe Nolan likes to watch Bay's movie to learn from Bay's mistakes so that he doesn't fall for the same. Somebody once said that we learn as much from the good movies as from the bad movies. Maybe that's the deal with Nolan about Bay.
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Word.
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Four wrongs do not make a right.
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I'd settle for a modern movie getting the 'OLD TAKE' as right as Donner got it. And Singer came close... I just didn't like the kid, the Luthor tongue-in-cheek humor again, and Luthor's whole fucking Otisville thing all over again... but he did get a lot right, not the least of which was the tone. I think he worried almost TOO much. But for fuck's sake... I love TDK and Batman Begins, but really, Burton's Batman gets the tone more correct that Nolan... and Keaton is a MUCH BETTER and more interesting actor than Bale. Anyway, Nolan obviously truly believes that his shit doesn't stink now (coming from someone who thinks he's great and enjoyed Inception) so he knows what's best, right? The problem with someone like Nolan or Snyder taking on Superman is they don't really want to make a Superman movie. They'll want to subvert the genre or whatever the fuck they're calling it nowadays, instead of just making a GREAT Superman movie. I honestly don't care about Zod, that's fine, but PLEASE don't overthink this... I say this knowing they already are.
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Nolan just likes to watch shit blow up from time to time.
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Oct 05, 2010 10:32:58 AM CDT
You over-optimistic geekoids who are so giddy about Snyder...
by asimovlives
... you deserve the movie you are going to get. Don't come complaining afterward. You should have known better but chosed not to.
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Sorry for your disappointment my friend. I do have a question, seeing as how you have said producers and whatnot have a lot of input into a movie's outcome.....Seeing as how Nolan is involved, why can't you give the movie a chance? Why can't you think that maybe, just maybe, Nolan can give Snyder some sage advice on how to be a better film maker? You trust Nolan so completely, so why all of the sudden do you have no faith in him? And don't come back with "because it's Zack the hack" nonsense, Nolan will be mentoring the film, you are letting your dislike of Snyder get in the way of the fact that Nolan;s influence will be on this movie. Stop with your blind hatred and actually give the thing a chance before you declare it shit. Don't be like all the idiots in the world, please.
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Nice rationalization, doesn't work.
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"Directed" by Zack The Fucking Hack Snyder. Jesus wept.
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But I really think an unkown for Supes is the way to go. ala Chris reeves. As for Zod, not crazy about that. rather see a Darksied or a Doomsday story arc.
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But I really think an unkown for Supes is the way to go. ala Chris reeves. As for Zod, not crazy about that. rather see a Darksied or a Doomsday story arc.
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Or, maybe Nolan just like's Bay's movies. I know that is a brain melting thought for you, but until you actually hear it from Nolan himself, you CANNOT know why he watches Bay's films.
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unless they do the Alex Ross version
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unless they do the Alex Ross version
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My casting is based on what the film makers need. Thus, Armie Hammer for Superman. Watch the social network. Duality, noblity, with the tough or funny when needed. Some of us look past the face...
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"you deserve the movie you are going to get. Don't come complaining afterward. You should have known better but chosed not to." So what is that statement supposed to mean? That already, before you have seen one stitch of film, you are saying that anyone who enjoys Snyder's Superman film is an idiot? Because that is sure how it seems.It seems Nolan sees some potential in Snyder, because I seriously think if he really did not want him to direct it, he would not be. That is something you just have to accept. Nolan has that power, you are kidding yourself if you think he doesn't.
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Damnit.
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...are wedded to the Chris Reeve version of the character. That's understandable, since every screen Superman since Reeve has been cast from the same template: John Haymes Newton, Gerard Christopher, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Brandon Routh... they're all young, Chris Reeve-clones. SuperMAN can be played by an older actor in a more paternal style; George Reeves was 37 when he started playing Superman. I'd be down with Hamm playing Superman.
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Oh, also: SNL/30 Rock proves he can bring the funny, if that's what's required of the Clark Kent role. And he certainly has the stoicism to play Kal-El. Also: he looks pretty fucking good for 39; I doubt anyone here will look that good at that age. And, hell, he'd be a big draw for the female audience, akin to casting an ER-era George Clooney as Superman (which he clearly should've done back then instead of Batman & Robin).
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With all the fucking gay nicknames. Dude is such a douche. AsimovLives so obviously wishes it was his name tattooed on Snyder's arm. Just admit you have secret gay fantasies about Snyder you man crush loving cross dresser you. Not that there is anything wrong with that. AsimovLives just loves the cock. AsimovLives you old fucking queen you.
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Possibly the greatest working action director today, seeing as how James Cameron apparently forgot how to shoot an awesome action scene.
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Why not?
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Well, that was fast. Routh is out according to Snyder. Expected. How do you bring him back without the kid and without whatshername as Lois Lane.
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CGI Doctor Manhattan + CGI Green Lantern suit= CGI Superman suit.
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People have forgotten that Nolan will probably be a very "creative" producer and Snyder has made a living out of being a slave to detail. This could be far better than the sum of it's parts.
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by Superbaby
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Is the flavor of the moment because of Mad Men, everyone is jumping on his bandwagon, next year it will be someone else. he is an ok actor, but christ all I see lately is how he should be in EVERYTHING......that's called overkill.
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seriously telling me that Bays ation scenes are better than Cameron's? are yopu saying that those pathetic, impossible to tell what the fuck was going on action scenes in TF2 were better than the end battle in Avatar? Becasue if so, please elaborate...
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at least we will get building crumbling fist fights in downtown metropolis. Two guys hitting each other so hard glass shatters in buildings and falls to the street. Make it happen!!! I have my reservations but at least the action will be mind blowing to look at.
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Damn why'd Singer throw in that kid?
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The people who brought us the Blade movies, The Batman reboot, 300 and Watchmen. Glorious.
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There were a couple cool extreme zoom shots, but that was lifted from Attack of The Clones.
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than Avatar. Michael Bay had the Army, Navy and Airforce in the climax of his film. Avatar had clean CG planes and a mech-warrior with a kitchen knife.
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Now, first off I should explain myself in regards to how I see Snyder. I liked DOTD,I think it a good remake and a fun zombie film, I enjoy 300, I think its not for everyone, but I enjoy the complete over the topness of it all. Watchemn, after three times trying to watch it I have yet to get further than half way, It just does nt appeal to me. I have nt seen the owl animation he just did, nor have I seen the trailer of sucker punch. So..I think Snyder is a very stylistic director that does fairly good action. He isnt a particularly intelligent film maker, but hes no Bay thats for sure..
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Now, first off I should explain myself in regards to how I see Snyder. I liked DOTD,I think it a good remake and a fun zombie film, I enjoy 300, I think its not for everyone, but I enjoy the complete over the topness of it all. Watchemn, after three times trying to watch it I have yet to get further than half way, It just does nt appeal to me. I have nt seen the owl animation he just did, nor have I seen the trailer of sucker punch. So..I think Snyder is a very stylistic director that does fairly good action. He isnt a particularly intelligent film maker, but hes no Bay thats for sure..
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Matrix did it better 7 years ago and District 9 did it better with 1/16 of the budget. Hell, Cameron himself did better in Aliens.
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His movies are always too long. Most action movies should be no longer than 90 minutes. His films are exhausting at two and a half hours.
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District 9 is the kind of movie Cameron would have made if he cared more about the story than the technology behind it. Those days are over.
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actual people, real people that think Bay's shitty action is good. What the hell does useing real military hardware have to do with good action? Good action is about clarity, good establishmnet of the geography of the scene, the action only being an extension of emotion or to resolve the plot, have characters or anything you give a shit about at stake in the action. Bay fails in every one of these regards. Not to mention his extremely bad use of close ups, mtv editing, shaky cam which make it very hard to even tell what the fuck is going on...
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during the action scenes in Bays films..
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I was thinking Asimov might actually have the sense to think that maybe Nolan could be good for Snyder as a mentor and that he might actually give Superman a chance...alas, I was wrong.
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the Matrix sequals, D9 and Avatar. Imho they were all awsome, and all were very different.
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Oct 05, 2010 11:18:03 AM CDT
Sam Raimi and Peter Jackson are damn good with action too
by jackslater4
The Evil Dead fight between Spiderman and Green Goblin might be the all time best comic book movie fight.
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Do people really take movies so seriously they can't enjoy something that's pretty and dumb every once in awhile? Isn't that what fucking a super model is all about?
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do you dislike Snyder so much? Im not really a fan myself, but I dont see how hes bad. 2) Are nt you being like the other typical morons that pre-judg things way ahead of time? If you have already made up your mind Asi, then how do you know you will ever be able to tell if you like it or not since by having already made up your mind, you will create a self-fufilling prophecy
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As long as that other direction is not Nick Cage.
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Jesus dragging his knuckles on the ground in The Passion of The Christ was a more gripping piece of action than any action in Avatar, and I didn't real like that movie, while I do like Avatar.
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very soon George Miller will teach Cameron a thing or 3 about action and 3D when he gives us Fury Road.
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intelligence? He has hand picked Snyder after all, there has to be something good he sees in Snyders work.
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Oct 05, 2010 11:22:57 AM CDT
I honestly don't understand why Bay's action scenes are idolised
by the_motorcycle_boy
For me, I like to have some sense of geography in the scene; to actually know what it is I'm looking at. The Transformers films with their rapid cuts, shaky cam and incomprehensible character design made it virtually impossible for me to grasp what was happening during an action scene. I'm not sure how that is a sign of greatness? Bay could literally have a naked couple rolling around in some shots and I wouldn't be able to tell.
But, most importantly, his characters are so poorly defined that I am not invested in the film at all. There's no emotional resonence. I don't care if Sam Witwicky lives or dies because he's such a shit character. There's no tension, no amazement. Bumblebee? I don't know anything about him apart from he speaks using pop songs. The truly great action directors are able to get great performances from their actors. Think McTiernan with Willis in Die Hard (hell he made so many great little characters in Dutch's squad in Predator!); Cameron with Weaver in Aliens. and Arnie, Hamilton and Biehn in Terminator; Donner with Gibson and Glover!
While Snyder's sensibilities thankfully don't fall into the shaky cam, rapid fire editing (although he has that cool-for-one-shot-but-not-most-of-the-film's-running-time speed ramping) he gets shit performances from actors. So we'll probably have some superficially cool scenes, but no care for Superman.
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us how much you disliked the action in Avatar, expalin whats wrong with it
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fferent action scene. I saw the camera pull back to establish the geography of the action perfectly (I was never confused where anything was in relation to anything else), the cuts were long, there was 0% shaky cam, the action was involving and imaginative, and perhaps most importantly it was an extension of everything the whole film built to thematically and emotionally. And I actually gave a shit what happened.
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as he did about the glow in the dark floating tree seeds.
The savages didn't fight like savages, the mech suit looked like a toy, and I was never given the "marine in an avatar body" payoff they alluded to early on. -
I am with you bro, I really enjoyed the action of Avatar
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The long-term design for Superman Returns meant that we ended up with very young actors who sunk the film and subsequent sequels. Exaple: Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane. "Oh, she'll still be young when we make a third film!" It didn't happen. Maybe if the studio had gone with a woman (like Parker Posey) instead of a girl we might have ended up with a film that was good enough to spawn a sequel.
Tackle one film at a time instead of thinking ten years ahead. There's no guarantee that this film will be a smash hit. So cast the actor who is best for NOW. Maybe that's Hamm, maybe it's not - but don't just cast a young actor for sequels because there's no guarantee of one. Especially considering the ongoing lawsuit. -
cool imho
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And he himself has said he is too old to play Superman. And we have to think 10 years ahead because it is a franchise, and we got a 1 movie reboot and it didn't work out too well because superman was given a child and Lois Lane was a blond surfer in a bad wig.
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Can you imagine. It will never happen but fuck!
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is there were limits to using the 3D cameras, all of which Cameron couldn't have figured out at the time, and the action suffered for it.
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Oct 05, 2010 11:40:42 AM CDT
AVATAR HAS ITS FAULTS. BUT ACTION IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
by bringingsexyback
Cameron knows how to let a camera linger just enough so you can taste the flavor of the action he's serving up. Bay just puts his camera on a skateboard and tosses it around, then cuts scenes into tiny little pieces in the edit room. No comparison.
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http://tinyurl.com/28h8pto
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Oct 05, 2010 11:45:04 AM CDT
I honestly don't understand why Bay's action scenes are idolised
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you do know that the (extremely difficult, yet realistic) action scenes from transformer aren't bays only work don't you?
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Slo-mo and cgi, that mostly what we can expect.
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There I said it.
One of the problems with Singer's movie is that Superman just flew into the movie, starting saving people, and we were expected to care, as if everyone automatically associates these characters from decades ago (film-wise.) Stories need specific actors playing characters we understand and care about, and we need those characters to have a real story arc. Batman Begins was called that and treated that way for a reason. And it was great.
Sure the Donner movie is great, and the Krypton stuff is probably my favorite section. But you can't do another Superman, especially if you want to bring in Zod, without going back to the beginning. They re-did the origin story on the 90's cartoon and it was awesome. They re-did it in the comics i.e. Birthright. Why not again now?
People want to skip the origin, as if everyone knows it (or remembers it) which they don't really, so you can jump right to big kick-ass fight scenes or something. But who cares?
I'm a Nolan fan, glad he's behind this. Snyder not so much - he needs a great script, for once, to match his whole visual trip. Maybe this will be the one. But start it at the beginning. Brando's Krypton was 32 years ago. Tell us who Superman is, where he came from, right from the start. Give us context.
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Save the Origin story for Zod.
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Oct 05, 2010 11:51:38 AM CDT
Bay's not even fit enough to keep hold of McTiernan's shoelaces
by the_motorcycle_boy
until he gets out of the clink.
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Oct 05, 2010 11:54:57 AM CDT
They should definitely continue to re-hash villains they've alre
by stan gable
Why would they actually go out on a limb and introduce a new villain when they can continue to retread the old ones like they did in Superman Returns? Forget about Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, Metallo, Parasite, or Ultraman. Keep re-using what you've already done. Maybe after this, they can create an all new bad guy for the next Superman movie. OK maybe it is early in the process and we are just now starting to get some details, and maybe some additional villains will be announced in the coming days, but seriously, how can we be going on the SIXTH Superman movie and still not have Brainiac or Bizarro yet?
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But Rollerball?
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I'd clarify my all-important thoughts here by saying, I think you can wrap up the origin (pre-Daily Planet) stuff in about 40 minutes. Leaving another 2 hours in a nice long great Superman flick.
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Should have been Oscar nominated for that role. Ursa and Non better be there as well and I cannot see Jack O'Haloran and Sarah Douglas ever being bettered for their roles either. Sarah Douglas is a terrific actress and it is atravesty she never kicked on to bigger things apart from Conan The Destroyer. She was strikingly beautiful as well which makes it even more astounding that she never became a bigger star.
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Nolan will make sure the story is tight, and the sets ands shooting locations are fantastic, Snyder will make sure the movie is fucking awesome.
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but maybe he can do a Preacher movie justice. Snyder is definitely style over substance, and I'm pretty worried about a slick, soulless Superman film. Say you want about Singer, but his superhero movies have waaay more heart and soul than anything Snyder's touched. And after Superman 2 and years of 2 different Zods on Smallville, I really wish it was a new villain. This franchise really needs a new direction. Please don't repeat the same thing!
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No, "Zod"
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Sorry to conform to the typical "bitch bitch bitch" mentality...but in this case, it's what I feel about this project. Snyder's films bore me. Not a big fan of Nolan. And GENERA F'ING ZOD? I thought we were hearing BRAINIAC! Even though there's different takes on Zod, I just wish they'd go with someone WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE ON THE BIG SCREEN...and there are so many!! And sorry folks, there was no way Routh was coming back no matter what...Warners doesn't want anything to do with Singer's shitpile...which is why you'll probably never see a "director's cut" or that "lost" $10 million opening, either...
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I'm okay with having Zod, but have Braniac or another big bad in the background or to setup for a sequel, just as Nolan did for Joker at the end of Batman begins. And please cut the comedy. Apart from the original superman and the Donner cut of part 2, the comedy was like JarJar in Star wars, F'in annoying. Please please please have a kick ass fight scene or two that sticks to Superman's abilities and don't make up shit like telekenesis, amnesia kiss and the clingfilm S. Those powers annoyed the shit out of me.
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and for my next prediction. it will be a dark twist on the superman story. kal el will come to earth at the same time as Gen Zod. jonathan and martha kent keep clark in smallville untill he is old enough to find his own way in the world. he is cocky, smart and sails through school and he is good at everything. the girls love him. here is where the story gets dark. he goes to metropolis and its crime ridden hell hole. he goes underground and becomes a vigilante. but what he doesnt know is that all the criminals are connected to the young zod who is building a power base to take over the world and zod has plans for smallville which means jonathan and martha kent are in great danger. along the way clark meets an edgy Lois Lane. hopefully played by somebody other than the apalling kate bosworth. she was the only reason I hated the film. and the only reason I hated the film. I thought routh was great. especially in the scenes where he had to keep his identity secret.
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Yep, im gonna let it ride with this one. Zak has delivered faithful comic book adaptations period! 300 was a success, and if more people read the watchmen graphic novel it would have defintiely been bigger.
I'm defintely loving the idea that nolan is producing. Him rebooting the batman has been epic! and yes when i heard about batman begins. I was skeptical. So with both of them on board we have a chance to be witness to something epic. Supes vs zod with earth in the balance. I mean what is there not to love. Superman has always needed a villan on his level. in todays superhero world we want to see aa hero and a villan evenly matched. Lex luthor is a cerebral villan. We want to see supes fight villans on par in the movies so we can remember. I can see darkseif coming to earth setting up a justice league movie.
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...stalking your baby's mama (via x-ray vision)while not paying child support?Oh, let's not forget the whole Luthor retread real estate scheme.Siner was on top of his game with X2, but his take on The Man of Steel was an epic failure.I have faith that Snyder will do a much better job.
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...arse-suck, not a single iota of magic-realism exists in any his films - what is realistic magic you may ask, well, it is the art of superman, of course, something that was clearly absent in SReturns - in fact, everything in every re-incarnation of superman asisde from the first two Donner/Lester films makes one reach for the blue pill and erase the mind of such disturbing visual experiences.
When I say Snider possesses a lack of artic endeavour and integrity just compare his films - nothing feels real in any of his products, filmakers ought to be realmakers, that is to say they are architects of visual fiction that must be delivered with uncompromising reality; Spielberg, Cameron, the Scott bros. Donner, amongst a select few others, all understand this, for it is the sole reason their earlier films seem so REAL, example? Take the scenes in the first two Superman motion pictures and compare it with not only the sacrilege thrown up in superman returns, but also many of Snyder's work - there are simply no people in his films; please let me explain
Far too often directors - contemporary screenwriters are also guilty of this crime -neglect scenes of everyday life that add weight to realism, in favour of the main characters; it is gravely important that characters, especially those that belong in the comic book genre, are not overly concentrated on. Snyder and even Nolan do this time and time again. Okay Nolan gets away with it as Batman is less hyperbolic and sci-fi than the Man of Steel. But these fucking idiots better understand that in order to project a realistic and believable reincarnation of Superman, other people aside from the main characters need to be shown to exist. Again, I draw whatever attention you have left during my rant, to the first two Superman films and you will see a clear reality incorporated in the pictures because people unrelated to the main plots were always used to deliver the realism needed. Furthermore, the transition or morphing from Clark Kent to the man of Steal is at its best in these films - consider Mr. Reeves ripping his shirt open or diving out of the window in the first movie or Kent's grand morphing into Superman inthe opening of the second movie. Watch the films again and you'll notice how regular everyday folks and crowds are utilised to further cements in the reality needed for the man of steel to appear believable. Superman returns made me tea-bag the entire fucking auditorium. I'd say Singer go Fuck himself, but his X-man films demonstrate what is needed, lord knows why the fuck he chose to ignore this artistic approach to returns, but fuck it. Point is these elements are important in order to bring the necessary magic and realism that Snyder has never brought into to his own work. If he can't do this, the rule is simple in its purity; if you can't create something that's better than good, expect to see my faeces being thrown at the cinema screen!!! You motherfucking bastards, Fuck you ALL, one time!! -
First of all, Dawn of The Dead was done realistically, second there is plenty or room for the surreal in movies, especially dealing with superheroes!
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of small stature. he was a giant of the film world. People of britiain and ireland and albania will never see his like ever again. How he never broke his neck whilst pratfalling I will never know but he did make everyone break thier sides laughing. Charlie chaplin said that wisdom was his fave clown.
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I told you, watch his other films. They're full of coherent practical action and to say anything else is fanboy hyperbole.
an example bad bays had no script but only a fucking moron could argue that they action wasn't staged clearly.
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very much except cameron and he had his chance to make spiderman. and it never happened.
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but the rock out does any of McT's movies by a mile.
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Compared to Singer's trainwreck, Snyder has a chance to make this right via Nolan's input. Goyer for the most part is a good writer, but I'm still pissed that he ruined the Blade franchise with Trinity.Fucking worse than the short lived TV series.Reserve judgement till the film comes out and besides at least Orci and Abrams is not involved.cheers ya angry bastid.
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Why i can't give this movie a change, you ask? four words: Zack Fucking Hack Snyder. His hackiness will overcome and blow away all the good work that Nolan can do to the movie. It's FUBAR. Total FUBAR! I have enough movie experience to be optimistic about movies where a hack like Snyder is attached to. SUPERMAN FUBAR, cortesy of Zack The Fucking Hack Snyder.
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...DOTDead was a good film but it is a remake, obviously if material already exists in a form that maybe considered inferior to current technologies and actors, naturally the film making process ought to be evolutionary in that remakes should always supersede the original that proceeded it, alas they seldom do, but granted DOTD was a good film, but it was a remake, and in no way is it considered to be more realistic or believable that the original night of the living dead, watch them back to back and you'll see my point. and yes moments of surrealism ought to exist in films, but not when it means sacrificing real believability, no way!
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That's the thing, SUPRMAN RETURNS is not a trainwreck. It's just a good to average movie in which parts wre slightly disapointing. after Zack The Fucking Hack Snyders FUBAR the next superman movie, you will all, even the bashers, look foundly on SUPERMAN RETURNS and even find qualities in it that doesn't exist. This new Superman movie, it's total FUBAR! SUPERMAN FUBAR.
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... and it's not kryptonite, but a hack director. In 2012, Superman is FUBAR.
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Which isn't a bad thing. Its a very romanticized view of the big blue guy. Me thinks of course that Bryan Singer is just madly in love with Routh. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just not the kind of movie that fans wanted in the end. A love letter to Donner's movie with little to offer outside of that.
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Have you actually seen any Mickey Bay movie? Because your coments says otherwise.
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It seems your faith in Nolan is greatly diminished if you think he will not be able to mentor Snyder well enough to make a good film.So basically, this movie is already shit for you, before seeing one stitch of film, you have declared it shit. No matter how good it may turn out, you will never give it a fair chance. Let me guess...."It won't turn out good at all because zack the hack is directing it".....meaning you have very little faith in Nolan, because that is what you are saying. You yourself have said that a producer can have great influence over how a movie turns out, ala Bruckheimer.....but now, because you hate the director, it won't matter what Nolan says or does, the movie will suck. Sorry my friend you are blinded by hatred and are being VERY short sighted and even a bit hypocritical.
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Though shit for Singer that Routh is married to Courtney Ford, hem?
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...believe it or not critics once considered Superman the Movie a rather poor attempt at making an epic, it has taken a far less inferior comic book films to emerge from Hollywood, what i consider a cargo of shit, piss, puke and phleghm, that forced the critics to reconsider what a gem superman 1 & 2 were and still are, btw has anyboduy been to www.fanedit.org ??
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I truly didnt I have no idea people are saying it was a good movie. I was utterly disappointed. I was hoping for more fighting and action and yet we see corny lex luthor steal the growing crystal to recreate a kyrptonite mountain! and OMFG supes lifts the holw thing out of the ocean, and yet he doesnt die??? Really!? a mountain of kryptonite and yet he doesnt die.
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Eventually all our heroes disapoint us. It hasn't diminished my admiration for his movies or for him as a director. But as a producer, not that much. His choices for directors of his produced movies sucks.
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they're not the failures at substance driven films people make them out to be, they're the buddy cop movies and blue collar space fantasy's that the producers and for the most part paying audience wants them to be.
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How can i be hypocritical? I would be hypocritical if i had before always talk bad of Zack The Hack but becaue he had been chosen by Nolan for a Superman movie, nowm suddetnly i would think zack was a good choice for director. That would be hypocritical. But i'm mantaining my stance on Zack The Hack, regardless and even though Nolan chosed him to direct the next Superman movie. I'm actually showing a lot of consistency here and not letting Nolan starstruck me, something i have been accused a lot before. You didn't made a good use of the expression hypocritical up there, buddy.
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Oct 05, 2010 12:47:34 PM CDT
they better not get some pig ugly cunt to play Louis Lane...
by allthosepowers
...or I'll chuck my sperm at the director, bastards!!!
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and by your juvenile characterization of SR, I already know you fall into the camp who will never understand an ounce of subtlety because you're too busy repeating the whole 'Supes is a stalker and deadbeat dad' thing til you're frothing at the mouth. I can't believe people still try to make that stupid criticism of the film. (I'll give you the weak Lex Luthor stuff). People who complain about SR want it both ways. They bitch that Singer was too beholden to Donner and repeated things too closely (a valid criticism), but the elements of the film that actually progressed the mythos and asked good questions - why does the world still need Superman, or how would he handle Lois moving on, or how might he handle fatherhood, or introducing a great character with James Marsden's role, than everyone bitches because it's 'messing with the mythos.' So do you want a retread, or new territory? The truth is every fanboy wants HIS Superman and men are uncomfortable with an emotional Supes with daddy issues.
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I think you are being really pig headed about this, really, no insult intended, but it's the only way i could express what I want to say. Actually, in most cases I would say see the movie before passing judgment, but you are already so dead set against it that no matter how it turns out, you are going to hate it. Besides, this is his first time producing a movie he is not directing, so knowing that, you are still not willing to give it a chance? Come on now.
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Michelle Bay's movies are TOTAL FUCKIGN FAILURES. They are what movies shouldn't be. His fucking mvoies should be studied so that filmmakers know what not to do. Ever! He is, literally, the worst director that ever made movies in the whole history of cinema. He's shit! The fucker doesn't even deserved to be called a filmmaker, that shitty asshole. He's shit, and all his movies are shit, without a single exception. Whenever Bay makes a movie, it is th worst movie of the year. In that, the fucker never disapoints.
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it had the heart of donners film...didnt like the kid thing...but routh was great.
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Becasue i never sae a Zack The Hack Snyder mvoie before, right? I have seen all of them. and all of them are movies made by a retard who is pushing 40 and yet thinks like a 13 years old. Worst, an ignorant and dumb stupid 13 years old who's good at micking better people's styles but coming from him comes vapid, dumb, shallow and stupid. Truly, the older this clown gets, the dumbed he gets. Fuckign hack Zack.
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... oh that's fucking great!!! Brilliant! Fucking Brilliant!! So we got two fucking muppets with no clear hand up their arses showing them what needs to be done. Add to that that Nolan will no doubt exhaust all his creativity on batman 3 leaving very little indeed to apply to superman, the film looks like it'll be a shit chewing experience, fuck them all!!!!! Everysingle one of them!!
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i hope they man superman a real MAN! not a "young man" again...he should be a barrel chested lantern jawed MAN OF STEEL!
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... for him to direct. At least the dumb stupid shallowness could be excused because of his tender age. Zack The Fucking Hack Snyder as no such excuses.
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Who on earth are they going to get that WASN'T looked at the last time this casting call went out? The same friggin' field of actors are going to be trotted out and test for it. THE SAME. And out of that field of actors...it was Routh (who owned in that role and also in Scott Pilgrim) who beat out everyone. They found their perfect Superman, and Synder is just going to walk away from it with the blanket statement of "we're going in a different direction".... what the F does that even mean??!?!!?______It's change for change sake and anyone they cast is going to be pale shadow of Routh. Synder is a jackass.
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Raping childhoods summer 2012. The cries of agony and the gnashing of teeth will be tectonic.
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IMHO Routh is the second best Superman, after Christopher Reeve. Hopefully, he'll return. Also, keep the John Williams music. Snyder's a good choice.
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...stop finger fucking Routh, he and Singer were perfectly mindless to think they could emulate Mr. Reeves, he went to Juliard for Christ's sake. Who the fuck is Routh, but some fucking bit part earner in a daysoap. You know what I say - fuck em!!!
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*shrug* meh... I dunno...
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To me, the big action scenes were like a master class in everything that one needs to do to stage and film memorable, exciting action. You can criticize Avatar for derivative story, bad dialogue, corny characterizations... all the usual suspects and I can see where you're coming from. But action simply isn't one of them. I think Cameron takes a big shit on nearly every other director working today when it comes to shooting big action set-pieces, ESPECIALLY Nolan, who leans a little too much on the wide angle, smooth moving, music booming, "this is important AC-SHUNNNN!" shit because I think he has no real idea how to do what Spielberg and Cameron can do effortlessly. The fact of the matter is, I can go back and watch that last battle in Avatar again and again and I'm in awe of the way it's staged and filmed... the music and dialogue can be a bit distracting at times however, his direction is so bravura that it all somehow fits.
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Superman franchise dies again, this time thanks to a very poor choice of director.
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if you are expecting films and I mean all films to have an agenda. and it doesnt, then you will be dissapointed. take superman 4 quest for peace. that was written by and directed by Christopher reeve and margot kidder said the script was dreadfull. everyone else agreed. it had a political script and was anti-nukes. it tanked at the box office.
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The same way Singer filmed X-men as an allegory for homosexuality in American I think he filmed SR through lovey dovey eyes.
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Oct 05, 2010 1:06:47 PM CDT
Fuck nolan, fuck Snyder, fuck Routh, and fuck Warners...
by allthosepowers
...if you wat to see real superman films go to fanedit.org and see what real fans of the superman films have been cutting and splicing together, it's incredible
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THE MAN SAYS HE DOESN'T WANNA DO SUPERMAN!! geez...
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Iggy Pop.
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I always felt that was Singer's intention, but the studio overruled him, so he gave Posey that bit part. She fit the Margot Kidder mold much better than Bosworth, considering Returns was basically a redo of Superman 3.
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Apparently knows how to cast hot female leads. Kirsten Dunst? Maggie Gyllenhaul? Gwyneth Paltrow? Whats up with all the fugly females in super hero movies these days?
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His music video sensibilities will have Superman being gay in slo mo. Can't wait.
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but wasn't allowed to create his own interpretation of the character. He played Christopher Reeves playing Superman - but that's Singer's fault.
When you listen to him in interviews he is very charismatic and great presence. It's a shame that was sucked out of him. It didn't help either that the awful costume made him look really small because he was in big shape when you actually watch the very good Superman Returns documentary. They also made him look really young and unblemished like a boy, but when you saw him in anything else he looked the perfect age.
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I actually thought you were going to try and make a rational point aginst bay there...I suppose bay doesn't deserve one.
I'll do you one better and play your game. If michelle was the hack you say he is than his films wouldn't return revenune as well as they do...so there ahaha -
Yeah, I don't have to say the dude's name. It's blatant obvious Snyder raped his sister or something... geez. Calm the fugg down, man. It's entertainment though, reading the guy's rant.
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You know want i want from movies? My money's worth. Simple as that. I don't get that from hacks like Zack The Fucking Hack Snyder.
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This is all I will discuss with you on the subject then.
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How droll.
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AsimovLives just can't stop saying how much cock he wants. Dude didn't just come out of the closet. He blew that motherfucker right off its hinges. AsimovLives is so gay. Fruity bastard (not that there is anything wrong with that).
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I gracefully abandon this TB....carry on fellas.
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Therefore, a movie should feel as important a a meal, since it's valued as much and as such. Rarely i find a movie as valuable.
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If that is your atempt at wit, you are a big fucking failure. Epic fail, as they say. Methinks the gay is on you.
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Superman Returns was so bad and forgettable that this film will feel like a godsend upon the audience.
Just wait till that trailer shows up for a holiday release.
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as an insult on their opinions has GOT to have some fucking issues. I'm sorry, I've known a few guys that like to say faggot and a bunch of other gay slurs when trying to diminish another man, and it makes me wonder what all the fuss is about under the surface. Of course it's cliche to say the whole three fingers pointing back at you bullshit, but in real life, that's how it is... a lot of these overcompensating macho tough guy assholes are actually very insecure and uncomfortable with themselves... the reasons I'll leave up to speculation.
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Then I saw the movie. About 30% of it worked, and most of that was towards the beginning.
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you simply don't know what constitutes good action movie filmmaking. You probably think Superman Returns in a great action movie. Better than Michael Bay's The Rock. And you would be Dead. Fucking. Wrong.
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Would be better than yet another 'reinvention'.
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Bad Boys II out did it though
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in Bad Boys movies.
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take your chances. I dont know where asi lives but if hes hate the movies so much he should go to theatre instead. you wont get any commercials. I used to go theatre quite a lot. nothing beats a live theatrical experience. the last play I saw with my mother was a play with Johh Mahoney and david Caulder. in the abbey. I have seen a lot of theatre. both in the uk and ireland. there is somehing special about seeing a stand comic doing a gig in front of a live audience. there is no screen and you cant screw it up. I liked both films and theatre. but for the past ten years I went to the cinema. from 1997 onwards.
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Nolan is a restrained filmmaker who attempts to make his films grounded in realism. Snyder on the other hand is over-the-top whose films at their most realistic are exaggerations. Snyder will bring the necessary wonderment to the character whereas Nolan will help bring the necessary depth to the character. The only thing I worry about is the fact that both directors are dark, which is the opposite of Superman. Superman is a symbol of hope and the Nolan brand is anything but. Both will have to leave their comfort zone to make the movie the character deserves. Yet, if they can achieve it this could be truly great.
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getting any decent performances from his actors. So is incapable of making care for any of his characters. I have just become massively disinterested in this film
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Spend the time/money to nail the cast (cast as a group thats works off each other) Spend the money for them BIG SciFi end fight.
People will LOVE it, kids will love it! teens will love it! I have so many comic friends that 'dont like superman' the like birthright, I have "non comic" friends that have picked that book up around my house started reading it, and love it. BIRTHRIGHT! DO you hear it WB???? -
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Welling isn't much younger than Hamm.
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"The Rock" with Nic Cage was the first movie I remember seeing in the theater where I felt ripped off and saw my first example of long lens/quick cuts/shaking the camera as a low calorie substitute for a solid action scene.
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Why i'm harsh with Zack The Hack Snyder? It started with 300. That fucking shitty movie has to be one of the most insulting piece of shit i have seen that was not directed by Mickey Bay or the Jar Jar. But what truly sealed it was listening to the guy in his audio comentary. The idiot is retard, stupid and immature like hell. And all his moves reflect that to a fault. I don't give a fuck if his movies look "pretty", they are stupid and imbecillic. He can go fuck himself.
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...who knows, maybe this thing will blow minds. All I do know is, can we get Hans Zimmer to do the score? His stuff is pretty epic. SCREW GIAOCHIANO (sic), his Trek score was so one-note, so boring. I would like to hear the original John Williams theme in there, though. Have Zimmer update it in some way. Come on admit it... it's legendary sheeit.
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If you mistake The Rock for a good movie, you have no clue whatsoever what a good movie looks like. none whatsoever. You need to live in sweet oblivion to mistake that piece of shit for a good movie. And as an american, you should feel ashamed of how the fucking movie portait your armed forces. Good job, dude.
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Oct 05, 2010 2:57:02 PM CDT
No, i don't believe Nolan can counter-act on Snyder's shittiness
by asimovlives
It will be a losing battle. However hands on Nolan might be, the movie is fucked up thansk to the chocie of director. Beside,s if we consdier that nolan will be making his Batman movie at the same time as the Superman movie is being mad,e i don't think nolan will be hands on at all about the Superman movie. He might just be a figurehead. The next Batman mvoie will take all his attention. I suspect Nolan's involvement in the Superman movie already ended with the choice of director. And Superman is truly fucked up. SUPERMAN FUBAR.
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Oct 05, 2010 2:57:06 PM CDT
Asimov are you going to watch the Superman movie in the cinema?
by killik
yes or no? because on one hand,you hate Snyder as a director and on the other,you love Nolan.so what is going to be? :)
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I'm not a Goyer hater like many others, but I have to believe that Jonathan is the main reason for the recent batman scripts.
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There is a difference betwen being 33 and being 40 of age. It's the same age difference i have with my younger brother. It's there and it shows.
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Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!
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you or your bro.
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I'll be dragged to watch it by my mates, i'm sure of that. Personally, i wouldn't mind waiting for it to be easily available through other means.
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That line might sound cool, but it's stupid beyonf belief. It means jack shit at all. It's frat talk! Anybody who would be impressed with that shit must be incredibly immature.
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then turns around and makes one for Warner Bros, the very company he was shitting on with his "I'm smarter than the writers of the original" commentary on superhero movies? Wow, feel the integrity! I didn't buy his argument either, Watchmen as a story is a thoughtful deconstruction of the superhero comic book genre, he used his film version to try to do the same thing about superhero movies, but instead of a thoughtful deconstruction he just went to cheap shots and near-parody while ignoring the flat performances and dumbed-down statements of the screenplay. Will this reboot suffer a similar fate, or will being Warner Bros' biggest cash cow force him to do what they say?As for Zod, it's feeling played out, there are bigger Superman stories than just Zod and Lex Luthor. We're not seeing movies about who Superman is, what drives him, how his powers make him who he is, what limits him (beyond kryptonite, which is another stale limitation). Doomsday movie could have said that, but ultimately it would be a lot of tale to pack into 2 hours (3+ if you're Bryan Singer jerking it and crying while making an opus of boredom). Maybe this is why Superman only works in the comics.
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which makes your whole dragging a bit pointless,no?
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Jonathan and Christopher Nolan were solely responsible for THE DARK KNIGHT. Goyer himself says that he had little to do with the actual script of BATMAN BEGINS, it was all Nolan except for premise and details, due to his more familiarity with the Batman's mythos and backstory.
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I would be laughing like hell. I would be laughing at the shellackign that Snyder will receive when the movie opens. I would laugh at the end of the honeymoon between the AICN geeks and Zack The Hack Snyder. Because if i take Nolan out of the picture, this shit is hillarious beyond belief.
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before you get an aneurysm or something.your continuous grumbling has become very,very tiresome, boy.
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... had earned the right to make a mistake, thanks to his good work so far. I say this about every filmmaker who have been very good throughout their careers. It was inevitable that Nolan would goof up and make a mistake one day. It was to be expected. But not this kind of mistake. I wasn't expecting Nolan to hire zack The Hack Snyder for director. Not a mistake this bad! I wasn't expecting THAT!
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Your problem. Get a stress pill and chill.
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33 but looks younger, he's certainly big enough. No Routh as that would suggest a continuation from 'Returns'. Even as suggestion would effect box office.
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Which other vilalins can bring drama to a Superman story? Fro what i know of the other vilalisn of Suprman's pantheon, and forgive my ignoranc,e but it looks to me that all other vilalisn are just brawlers and using them would mean having a whole Superman movie which would be just one big brawl from start to finish. Is that all that interest you guys in a Superman movie?
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i appreciate that they're at least trying something. I appreciate the talent behind this, but i really dont want to see Zod again. Darkseid, Kalibak, the Female Furies, that would be awesome. Im tired of Zod. Smallville did him to death, the Donner movies were great, but an homage to the previous films
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"You cna have un-perfect movies without any problems or flaws in it. If you liked it, you liked it, that's it. Why the fuck people are so coy?"Why should this not be applied to Bay/Snyder films?
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instead of a hate speech.thats all that i ask mate.
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A Superman who breaks criminals in half and uses their spurting torsos to block oil leaks in the ocean floor. In slow-motion.
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Nice try, taking that out of context and using it as a pseudo-argument. How about you post the wholwe of it and so we can see the exact context in which it was writen. Don't fucking pull that Creationists tactics bullshit on me, man.
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Calling an hack an hack is hate speach now? Why is it with AICN that you are always at the defensive about hacks?
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that will probably never happen. So, sorry this is so long, but this was how I kept myself entertained at work today.
Here is my Superman movie. Zod is behind a plan to take over Krypton. He uses Brainiac to complete some plan, and as a result Brainiac does something that causes the destruction of Krypton.
Film one would deal with the destruction of Krypton, than skip straight to Superman already being established as a hero. Up until this point Superman is touted as Earths greatest hero, and is introduced in a battle with Metallo. He defeats Metallo and we find out that Luthor was behind Metallos creation. Luthor should be a business man, not a criminal on the run. After Metallos defeat Luthor tries to find another way to defeat Superman, and finds out a way to open the Phantom Zone to release Zod, OR perhaps to change things up a bit, we find out Zod escaped Krypton and pursued Kal El believing it to be Jor El. He follows him through a worm hole, and on the other side, though its minutes for him, he finds out years have passed and Kal El is the sole survivor.
With him he brings a copy of the Brainiac program. He confronts Superman and is defeated, still not to full strength, and is approached by Lex Luthor who teams up with him. Luthors vast network provides Zod with the perfect avenue to download Brainiac into the system, thus providing him with total access to any global system he needs, including weapons etc. With Brainiac in the system Zod can now find a way to use Earth technology to open up the Phantom Zone and release his generals.
Luthor, of course, hopes to kill Zod once Superman is dead and he has global control, but Brainiac, now that hes in the system, downloads all of Earths information, and decides Earth needs to be destroyed as well. At this point Zod is now stronger and knowing the control he has with Brainiac in the system he demands submission from Earths leaders. Superman confronts him and that is when Zod reveals his plan and launches a nuclear attack. As Superman tries to stop the nuke from reaching his targer he battles Zod, eventually beating him again, stopping the nuke in the nick of time, throwing it into space, only to be caught in the blasts shockwave, sending him plummeting to Earth. Zod believes him to be dead and moves forward with his plan only to find that Brainiac has turned against him and intends to destroy Earth and not release Zods people from the Phantom Zone.
Zod has a kill switch for Brainiacs programming and threatens to deactivate Brainiac. Brainiac concedes and opens the Phantom Zone. Moments later Superman appears, battered and weakened from the explosion, moments too late to stop the Phantom Zone from being opened. He tries to stop it but in his weakened state, and with Zod increasing in strength, he gets his ass kicked. The battle explodes into the city and the two supermen attack each other, destroying much property in the meantime. Superman is on the verge of collapse, but in typical Rocky fashion, he finds a reserve of strength and subdues Zod, only to be attacked from behind by Zods people, now escaped from the Phantom Zone.
Superman is beaten and almost killed, but Lex shows up and stops them, comparing his hatred of Superman to Zods hatred of Jor El in order to get the privelege of dealing the death blow. Lex takes Superman hostage and puts him in a room with red sun lighting and starts performing experiments on him, and torturing him. Lois eventually shows up and breaks Superman out. After a moment to recover and gain back his strength Superman realizes defeating Zod, his people, Brainiac and Luthor wont be possible with brute strength and comes up with a plan to defeat them. In the end Zod and Co are sent into the Phantom Zone, Brainiac is shut down, and Luthor manages to avoid blame.
Without going into more detail, in future movies we find out that Luthors experiments on Superman go a long way and future movies can deal with the return of Brainiac in physical form (perhaps a bond between him and Luthor is created and Brainiac survives complete deletion), the creation of Bizarro, the creation of Parasite etc.
By the 3rd movie Luthor may find a way to turn public opinion against Superman, citing the supervillains that have showed up tied to Supermans Kryptonian heritage. In part 2 it would be revealed that when Kal El was first sent to Earth his ships energy signatures caught the attention of Apokalyps (or however you spell it) who have been searching for Earth for some reason, but have been barred from open search due to a treaty with the New Gods. Perhaps a weapon exists on Earth that would help Darkseid defeat the New Gods or something. To add a little twist, this weapon is the reason Brainiac wanted to destroy Earth in the first place, knowing that its use would threaten the Universe. The Phantom Zone technology works on the same principles as Boom tube technology and when Zod was sent into the Phantom Zone this finally allowed Darkseid to pinpoint the existence of Earth.
In part 2 we find out that Luthor has been using Kryptonion technology, combined with tech gained from Inter Gang to create a body for Brainiac, or perhaps a suit for himself if Brainiac exists in Luthors mind. This would set up the massive battle in part 3 where Darkseid reveals himself to Earth and Superman must stop him. Confronted with Earths greatest threat Superman defeats Darkseid and proves himself as Earths greatest hero.
Alternately, all of the Apokalips stuff may be set up in the Superman movies, and that is what a Justice League movie can be about.
Obviously I borrowed ideas from the animated series, but in my mind TAS was my favorite version of Superman and there are soooooo many great ideas that would work perfect for a movie trilogy.
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these pro Snyder morons haven't a clue. You just have to look at his films. He hasn't a clue about performances, story or rhythm. What, is Nolan going to mentor him on how to direct the actors? The fuck he is. Snyder doesn't give 2 fucks about performances, he's more interested in composition of shots and what will ultimately look cool. Snyder has a complete inability to emotionally connect with most viewers. He hasn't an ear for dialogue, and the concept of subtlety is completely alien to him. A lightness of touch is essential for Superman, something that he is completely devoid of. And don't get me started about his use of CGI. 300, shit. Watchmen shit. Legend of the Guardian shit. He's just useless
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is there any director that you actually like? or do you hate all directors. or is it just new directors?
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Are you not arguing in that quoted post that one can like films which are not perfect, and that you can simply enjoy them for what they are?
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That must be why Leonidas, Rorshach and the Comedian became icons.
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....hahahahaa, suck it HARD!
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kevin spacey said that he had signed on for two movies. that never happened. but neither did the supposed supergirl sequels. and according to helen she signed on for three. there was only one movie and what a load of crap that was. zzzzzz
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For those of you who haven't seen this yet, this would make an insane movie.
http://tinyurl.com/38njk8y
As for all the complaints about Snyder and Nolan, give it a rest, your opinions will not change a thing, and I am 100% sure that everyone will watch The Man of Steel regardless.
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Too right.
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Kryptonite is not the only thing that can hurt him. Think of him as a big battery, every time he uses a power it drains. The longer he fights the more weak he becomes. So the stronger the opponent the more interesting it is. Once he is drained he is no more mortal then you or I. Also Magic will hurt him. Also you are dealing a god that chooses to not interfere with the world for his own selfish needs. If you had all of his power and could change anything you wanted, would you? If you where superman you could rule this planet with a iron fist. But he doesn't.....but it weights on him, all the suffering he see's could be changed but he doesn't because he tries to let us handle it. That is a very interesting delema for a character to be in and one i hope they explore in the new film
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Don't be daft.
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Many, many a time.
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Creationists do what you did above, take something out of context to use for their ends. And i have no respect whatsoever for such tactics. If you actually want to ask me something, just ask, no trickery.
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Other than Superman/Clark Kent casting, what about other roles?
My picks for casting the other characters are here:
Jonathan Kent: Liam Neeson or Michael Caine
Martha Kent: Meryl Streep or Helen Mirren
Perry White: Gary Oldman
Lana Lang: Amy Adams
Jimmy Olsen: Cillian Murphy or Billy Crudup
Lois Lane: Maggie Gyllenhaal
Jor-El: Patrick Stewart
Lex Luthor (if used): Jackie Early Haley
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...suuuuuuuuuuck it, hahahaha!
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There's magic in the Superman universe? That just doesn't feel right.
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28 out of 30 posts,thats a hate speech.come on mate,we are adults not kids,you know what i am talking about.
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Yes I know....But there is. Hey it's DC not Marvel.
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Sorry for spelling mistake.
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What's stoping you? Do it already.
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Something about The Fall just makes me think he's perfect for Superman.
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Calling an hack an hack is not hate speech, it's just a statement of fact. Unless you feel agravated by it because you have some love or lyoalty towards the hack. Otherwise, why it would bother you? What is it to you?
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A Tarsen directed SUPERMAN? Perfect. Of course, the problem would always be "he is not experienced in making big budget movies" thing. Same problem for others like Duncan Jones.
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and still call Snyder a hack. Holy fuck that is a great movie. As a superhero movie it kicks Dark Knight's ass and has it for breakfast.
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on how to do Batman right. Hell, just give Batman to Snyder.
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... is that the producers of SUPERMAN are playing safe for the first movie by hiring someone like Zack The Hack Snyder, like WB also did when they hired Chris Columbus for the first two Harry Potter movies. And like the HP movies, after the first movie establishes the franchise to be, the sequels will be given to proper really truly talented filmmakers. That's my hope.
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deliberately ignoring and misinterpreting a meaning,is your typical internet behavior,ladies and genlemen.
oh well nvm,one more hater to play with.its a pity though,because you are intelligent and knowledgeable but you let your impulses to control you.
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Now I know you're pulling our legs.
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Synder is going to knock the shit out of this one. He will take that fag Superman and really make him fly. This version of Superman will not be boring. Synder is a revolutionary, Synder is the King of Adaptation, Synder is going to create the definitive movie Superman. He will not fail. Everyone will see this movie. It will outgross the Dark Knight. Just wait until the trailor comes out, everybody is going jizz themselves over it. The director of 300 and Watchmen is directing Superman with Mr Dark Knight looking over his shoulder? Who won't see it? Oh yes, the "true" fans will not like it, the geeks won't like it, but the people will. The people love Zach Synder films, thats why Nolan picked him, he knows Synder has a relationship with the common man. Synder respects his audience of children, teenagers, twenty somethings, and random clueless middle aged men. Synder will provide that images that will put the masses in the seats. Great decision. Everyone should be happy.
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Just think of it: Nolan and Snyder. Wow.
This is the funniest thing I've ever had the pleasure to experience on AICN. The contortions your mind must be going through right now must be extremely painful. How exquisite. Your tears of humiliation are as sweet as nectar. -
Oct 05, 2010 4:47:31 PM CDT
Well damn, now it's up to casting to get me excited again. ZOD
by imjustsaying
Well that's disappointing, I was rooting for Darren. If and only if they cast somebody Jon Hamm caliber will I get excited about this again. Fucking ZOD?? Are you kidding me? Figures, coming from freaking Goyer, the hack. I'm pissed about this news. This ain't cool. Please, please fucking surprise me.
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Yes, Magic and Kryptonite can hurt Superman. You are also forgetting Superman's third weakness which is the, Red Sun. Superman can't take radiation. It'll take the powers away from him. Remember in Superman II when he didn't have any powers throughout most of the movie?
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he will hire the people and give the general direction for the movie,he will give 2 or 3 ideas,but thats that.he is not going to direct or write the movie.
Its pretty obvious that they are going for a full entertaining comic-ish Superman movie,in opposition to the gritty and realistic Batman movie franchise,and its the correct route to follow,something that Singer should have already done with his own movie.
Anyway whats done is done.I strongly believe that Nolan's general vision direction,Snyder's visual direction and Goyer's skill to write good,fun comic-book movie stories,will give us an awesome Superman movie experience.and if its in 3D it will be even better.
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Id love to see Welling take a crack at it but thats just me. Karl Urban would be a good Zod I think and that Liane Balaban looks great for Lois. Clancy Brown would kick ass as Lex but I think Billy Zane is still my top pick. ALthough someone said Denzel for Lex and oddly enough I would totally be ok with that.
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Yeah? Got your cock hard didn't I?
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So hope for the best, drool over all the new info that gets leaked, and get over it.
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the only possible explanation!!!
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batman begins is word for word the same as david goyers draft of the script pre nolans spell check.
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and not MaryJane
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about dublin BringingSexyBack
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It's looking like Christopher Nolan will have his hands full working on the next Batman, the same time Snyder will be directing Superman. So, the hope is that the screenplay is really, REALLY GOOD. Let's just hope that we don't have speed-ramping and slow-mo in a Superman movie.
After watching The Social Network, which I loved BTW---great writing and dialogue---maybe somebody like Sorkin can do a pass on the script to add some humor and some soul.
Also, I can see why people are petitioning for that kid, Hammer, to wear the cape; not only is he physically right for it, his performance as a set of twins with distinctly different personalities was pretty good. You believed the Winklevoss twins were two different people.
Also, OT, but most of the scenes in TSN were taken verbatim from the book, The Accidental Billionaires, which I also just finished reading. What Sorkin (and Fincher) added were the emphasis on the Zuckerberg/Saverin friendship, and as a spine-motivation, the interest in "the girl that got away", which in the book was some unnamed girl in one throwaway sentence. Also, the Rashida Jones lawyer was another invented literary device, to reveal Zuckerberg's character and to be Jane Exposition. Everything else was directly from the book. -
Jon Hamm is now a possibility, since Routh isn't likely to be invited back to wear the cape, and Snyder wants Superman to be played by a MAN. They could de-age him with make-up and so on.. Plus, if Man of Steel ends up being epic in scope, akin to Watchmen, having an middle-aged Superman lends to the story.
As for Zod, if you have Hamm cast as Supes, you definitely cast older than Jude Law. Think about it.. Ian McShane! -
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I think we can now all agree that AMC no longer stands for American Movie classics.
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.....Clark and Lois!!!!!!!! MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!!
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Movie starts with Supes flying around Metropolis stopping super-criminals, using both his super powers and super intelligence, with relative ease.
He has no real competition, and then Zod arrives to up the stakes.
And Lois is NOT taken hostage. Please. Just this one time.
Maybe even have the super villains and Lex team with Superman to fight and beat Zod's army. Lex then discovers Zod's shuttle operating system while doing some gay Independce Day style hacking. It's called BRAINIAC, of course. And it's almost impossible to beat at Chess. But like John Locke, Lex is bald and can figure out any computer system. -
Now that we know that Routh is out, it's also unlikely Welling gets the role either. Snyder is unlikely to bring the history and story continuity of the Smallville "universe" into the Man of Steel movie.
We know Jon Hamm could be considered, since he's worked with Snyder on Suckerpunch. Given that Nolan is producing, I wouldn't rule out a Brit getting the role, such Henry Cavill. Or they could go really A-list, and cast Leo DiCaprio. As for Zod, I'd look for someone like Ian McShane, Ciarán Hinds, or Daniel Day-Lewis, before casting someone in the same age range as Superman (30ish to 40 - in Hamm's case).
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The movie will be out less than a year after Smallville wraps, and Darkseid is gonna be the final/ultimate villain. Too fresh on people's minds.
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HA, HA, HA! You silly fuck. This is killing you, isn't it? Could you be a more condescending asshole?
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It wouldn't surprise me if Chris Nolan has his eye on Leo for Superman/Clark Kent. Knowing how, "Inception" is a big hit. They could get Leo too.
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Okay by me! They were great in (500) Days of Summer, and Nolan worked with JGL in Inception, so it's only logical.
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You are obsessed.
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No doubt he could pull off the dual Kent-Superman part, and if you squint real hard, he kind of resembles George Reeves.
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We're planning a trip to Ireland ... do you know anything about the O'Cavanaugh hotels? I think the Davenport is what we're narrowing down to. Are they good, well known? The wife wants to stay at some castle hotel outside Dublin but I'd rather stay in the city, not outside of it.
Also we're thinking about signing up with Dublin Bus Tours to take in the city for a few days, and then doing their railtours to go to all corners of your fine country.
They go to all these areas:
Cork, Blarney Castle and the Queenstown Story
The Cliffs of Moher, Burren and Galway Bay
The Wicklow Mountaineer, Ballykissangel (Avoca) and Glendalough
The Giant's Causeway Glens of Antrim and Wild Atlantic Coast
Her great grandpa hails from Donaghadee, which is east of Belfast I believe. We're gonna try to make it out there too, maybe get on a bus from Belfast.
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Yes, a healthy obsession it is.
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including myself. The last I heard about it was back in 2005 on the Batman Begins DVD. Is it any good?
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...I just don't see him ever accepting anything like that.
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Oct 05, 2010 7:41:29 PM CDT
PREDICTION Zod Kills Supes, Supes Son Reverses Time, THE END
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Oct 05, 2010 7:42:11 PM CDT
Well, the one advantage for a Dicaprio Superman, is...
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...that unlike other, lesser known actors up for the part, he wouldn't have to worry about being typecast as just 'Superman'. He's friggin' Leo Dicaprio, star of Titanic, Departed, etc. etc. etc.
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Is it true that during one of the Superman movies Christopher Reeves lost a chunk of his hair due to alopecia? I heard a rumor that he had to part his hair differently or wore a wig or something. Just a nagging curiousity that's all.
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I'm seriously baffled by all the Zack Snyder hate on this site. Thanks to HBO and Cinemax I've now sat through Watchmen 8 or 9 times. It's fantastic. Snyder's Superman film will kick all kinds of ass.
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Oct 05, 2010 7:47:35 PM CDT
So, Zod will have a giant blue-green kryptonite dick
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
and will move in sloooo-faassst motion! synder is not a bad filmmaker, but he is so into his fetishistic, homo-erotic style, that everyone who complained about singer (and i was one) is gonna really be pissed when Nom shows up wearing an armored tutu
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ireland needs tourism really badly. Ireland is a great country with great people. its just we have not so great leaders. davenport hotel, I have not been in. its 4 star hotel. It all sounds like a great plan. well as I live near wicklow thats the garden of ireland, that is stunning. giants causeway i was there on a schooltrip. and that is stunning too. cork has a great buzz about the place these days. kinsale has the best seafood restaurant in the country. irelands image has been dented some what. so we need all tourists we can get. let me know how you get on. two words of advice dont buy a newspaper and dont listen to the radio. enjoy your holiday.
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Oct 05, 2010 7:52:31 PM CDT
I'm cool with the choice but i don't want a Superman 2 remake
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oh i forgot there is no SW in the DCU (strange that,no?). But still she would have been a nice addition.Have Hendricks to play her,so that we can see her super-boobs flapping while flying.
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JackSlater4 and I ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING!!! It's the end of days I tell ya!
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Actually there have been at least four Superwomen and a LOT of Supergirls. Knock yourself out.
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a Hack. A hack is a director that has no idscernible style or signature anything that makes a film "THEIRS". For example there are many things, bith technical, and creative, that mark a film out as being spielberg, Scott, or Cameron film. Also in terms of how they shoot their films, the thematic content of their filmns etc...And in this regard Snyder has established a certain style and look to his films, as well as his speed ramping and slo-mo techniqes. So whatever you or I may think of him, we cant call him a hack..
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If there is Zod there will be Ursa and you know Snyder, she won't be wearing a baggy jumpsuit.
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but superman needs to be played by Routh, he was great as superman.. he had the kent personality down to the max
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Snyder, but I enjoyed 300 for what it was, a totally over the top, highly stylized version of a historical event. It felt like a live action comic book (which I believe was the point), and imho it suceeded in doing that. Im no expert on Snyders filmography as I still have nt been able to sit through Watchmen (have you seen watchmen Asi?), and I have not seen the Owl animated film, but I am really not sure what the hell to think of Snyder doing Superman. I have trouble seeing how his visual style,and his sensibilities will match with Superman.
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inue, he was a good Superman imho. I still think he could be a worthy successor to CR is given more of a chance, anything wrong with SR was not Routh's fault.
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In response to UltimaRex's post, Zack will indeed make Ursa all sexy looking just like he made Silk Spectre sexy in "Watchmen". As for Zod and Non (the big guy with the beard and mustache who don't talk), maybe they'll look like Superman II and maybe they'll be different. I think Zack's take on these three characters is going to be quite interesting.
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Im a big animation fan, so anyone care to tell me how it rates?
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Im a big animation fan, so anyone care to tell me how it rates?
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Yes, I saw "Legends of the Guardians" and it was quite amazing, in my opinion. The film was very dark and pretty violent. Lot of action with owls try to kill each other in battle. Check it out.
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Oct 05, 2010 8:48:53 PM CDT
Non will be wearing an armored Tutu
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
bet on it
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BOOOO!!! HE NO SUPERMAN!!!
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That was my girlfriend. She's slow. I think Jon Hamm would make a great Superman......and Zack Snyder sucks ass.
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Call Me! ;)
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no dysfunctional family please. the only love triangle should be superman-lois-clark. this is simple comedy gold.
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you do see a blacksmith hammering away.
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Hey thank you for the insight. I'm really excited. Best seafood restaurant is in Kinsale? I just Googled that - thinking it's Fishy Fishy? I loves me some good seafood. I think this will be a great trip. Looking forward to roaming about Dublin, but yeah, I'm very excited about taking in the countryside and the coasts. I'll be in your neck of the woods in Wicklow. Very cool.
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He'd be great. I'm the first person I know who's been saying that since the Lord of the Rings days. He's a "man" not a young "guy" type, but if they do cast younger maybe Ben Hollingsworth (The Joneses) should get a shot...He is charismatic and looks the part.
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would make a good Superman and Smiley Virus would make a good Lois Lane!
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Anyone who tells you different is a moron. Zod has the EXACT same strengths and weaknesses as Superman, so what's the fucking point? The only way Kal-El can win is to outsmart him. Any other villain can have alternate solutions, but Zod is a complete waste of a great opportunity. Nolan is a fucking idiot (at least until the next Batman movie).
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How can anyone look me in the eye and say that Watchmen wasn't a huge failure (apart from opening credits). Rorschach was just not that good--and how do you mess that up? As for Superman being the "biggest and baddest"...whatever that means...just not sure what the point of this is...Warner execs...I find your lack of vision disturbing.
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Enough said, I'm There.
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Ahh, that old chestnut. I think that was a great portrayal of the moral dilemma of whether to use your powers for good or evil.
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Should've been Braniac or Darkseid. Or the Ultra-Humanite.
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Your contrarian stitch is funny sometimes. Sometimes.
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Back up your claim or fuck off.
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I think SUPERMAN RETURNS played the angle of a god with human feelings among humans. If it did it sucessful or not, that's open to debate.
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If you are to go old school: Jon Hamm for Superman, Rachel Weisz for Lois Lane, Jeff Bridges for Lex Luthor, Ben Kingsley for Brainiac, and Danial Day Lewis as Zod. Although if you were to go young(ish), I'd probably go Routh again as Supes, Emily Blunt for Lois Lane, Joaquin Phoenix for Lex Luthor, Viggo Mortenson for Brainiac, and Jude Law for General Zod
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And if the fear is for people to think the next movie is a continuation of the last movie, that's what advertizement is for, to put the audiences on the right track. Those Dracula movies of old weren't proper sequels to each others, but they all stared Christopher Lee as Dracula. Same thing could be donje with the next Superman. Different movies, but just use the right actor for the job. Routh is that, the right man for the job. It's also good to see that the geekry opinion of Routh as Superman has mellowed in this last 4 years.
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Really cant wait to see Zack Snyder's take on this. I thought they could have kept Routh as Superman and made the whole Returns adventure a dream constructed by Brainiac while Superman was adrift in space. That way you could take away the stupid Superboy subplot and it would give him someone to hit that could hurt him on a physical and psycological level. But I'm sure with Snyder,Nolan and Goyer on board fans of the character should finally get the film we have waited decades on.
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Oct 06, 2010 2:44:43 AM CDT
Unless casting outside the box with Leo or Jake Gyllenhaul...
by the founder
I don't see a reason at all not to keep Routh. If Snyder and WB is going to put out a casting call where the likes of Henry Cavill, Armie Hammer, Jared Paledeki and similar actors of that ilk it makes no sense to dump Routh.
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To challenge Superman, you have to basically put him up against another godlike being or go with Kryptonite. It just doesn't translate well to film, unless you want a pure action movie. He has no other skills, he hears or sees the crime and stops it, nothing else is involved. That is one of the many reasons I didn't like Returns...instead of a chunk they went with an entire continent of Kryptonite, which as far as I know would have made it impossible for him to lift the thing, if not killed him outright from the massive dose of radiation he was exposed to. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a hate-on for the character, I just think the options on-screen are limited.
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Really this is Superman. He has the look and enough acting talent. Let the guy bring his on take to Superman and not have him copy Reeves take. Chris Pine pulled it off as Kirk. He didn't copy Shatner as Kirk but brought his on take to the role.
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they still want Routh to still be Supes.He was pretty fuckin' perfect in the role.I still think Returns is a masterpiece of Dark Knight proportions.
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the right actor to play superman,they might return back to Routh and hire him again at the end.we shall see.
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I think it was VERY successful in that aspect. Returns is so well written in terms of it's themes and study of character. Alas, it seems like people just want to see Supes punch and smash stuff.
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Just saw a brief synopsis of the film that was leaked but then taken down by WB. Apparently the beginning is taken from the "Birthright" comic, with Clark traveling around the world when suddenly Braniac appears heralding the return of Zod and the phantom zone Kryptonians. Supposedly this sets up an uneasy alliance between Superman and his rogues gallery against the Kryptonian threat. Not sure how accurate, but there were two sights that had it this morning but then took it down.
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Aren't you going to answer SAguy's post on the word "hack"?
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..would certainly be an interesting day on here if that was announced. I'd be OK with that.
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Amen to that. I'm happy to see that even though we all have disagrements about the merits of SUPERMAN RETURNS and Zack The Hack Snyder as director for the next movie, we are all in one voice about how good Rouyth was as Superman, and that he should be kept. Too bad there wasn't such unamity about routh when the previous movie came out, which might have inspired the studio's decision not to cast him again for the next movie. I'd like to think that we in here could cause some influence in the decision makers. It's a good though.
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You are long overdue. Return to the sewer you came from and end your misery. And don't speak the name of Southafricaguy, his name is too good for you, shitface. Put yourself in your place, rat. Leave him out of your stupid schemes, shitface. Show some respect, motherfucker.
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I guess i'm one of the fools who doesn't think badly of SUPERMAN RETURNS. The movie satisfied me. It didn't blow my mind, like BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT did, but i don't see it as the disaster many do either. And i'm the one accused of not being able to enjoy movies! Fancy that!
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suggestions from the fans,sometimes the fans are indeed correct and the studios should listen to them,although i am sure that they never give a fuck about us.
Which reminds me,regardless of how the fans feel about Bay and his changes in the TF franchise,he did listen to the fans and hired Peter Cullen for the voice of Prime and got Welker for the sequel as well.he even openly acknowledged that the fans were right that they insisted to hire Cullen for the voice,and that he was wrong for not wanting him.maybe i am wrong,but i dont remember any other director for doing this thing. -
thrilled like with TDK,but still SR doesnt deserve the trashing it gets.but i can understand why the fans dont like it,it did have the wrong vision for a big-budget movie,its story fitted more a Lois and Clark tv episode than anything else.thats why Nolan is going the opposite route,he is doing it more comic-ish,more super-herori,more like SM:TAS.
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I think it's possible to make a smart Superman movie movie without either going all-action or very dar or melodramatic. If SUPERMAN RETURNS make a mistake, so to speak, was to err on the side of melodrama. And still, it was played quite some nice restrain. The idea of the Supe's kid could had been handled so much, much worst then it was. Thankfully Singer avoided pulling a spielberg on the melodrama. I welcomed the restrain. but i can't help but agree with the critics that kind of melodrama sits wrong with Superman. At least in movies and so soon for a moie that was supposd to be a reintroduction to the character, no matter how much of a direct sequel it is to Donner's movies. I think we are pratically in agreement about this.As for the voice of the fans reaching the studio's ears, i think the thing works far more subtly and indirect. Cullen as the voice of Optimus Prime is a big case f the "D'UUUHHH". I mean, who else? I'm not a ttransformers fan and evne i think that is just the only way to go. Bay inicial decision to cast somebody other then Cullen as the voice of Optimus prime and then retract and hire him anyway seems, to me, more a the typical case of internal studio powerplay poltics, which backfired on Bay. Him "agreeeing" with the fans seems more like a case of him kissing the ass of the fans so to generate positive publicity for the movie. Bay is remarkably stuborn, and for him to back down it has to mean a power battle he lost.I think there was precedent in a fan popular opinion KINDA influencing a studio decision about a movie. Some talkbacker in another talkback once refered to what happened in 2004 when they were casting for Batman and they sent to AICN and other sites a list of prospect choices. Bale won by a large margin, he hiself not about 90% of the votes. I did some archeological digging and found that talback and indeed the vast majority chosed Bale. Did it directly influenced the studio's decision? probably. I don't think it's a direct thing. But the studios do use us as guides and barometers to put their toe in the water.I don't think we influence the studio's decisions that much. But i'm sure that someone at the studios did read our good opinions about Brandon Routh to return as Superman, and the though is in the air for appreciation. How seriously they will take that, that's anybody guess.
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came after the movie's theatrical run.besides for the rest of the movie's shooting,he had an attitude of defiance towards the fans,especially with the case of "flames on prime",so i dont think he was too keen to kiss their asses.
but he is not stupid,he is a smart director,he did auditioned Culler and other actors and he did see that Cullen was as the fans insisted, the only choice for the voice so he hired him.
Thats why i hope,that the same thing will happen with Nolan and Snyder.if they dont find the perfect replacement actor for the Superman role,and unless they go for the safe choice of a movie star,they will be smart enough to hire back Routh for the role.
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Smart is the last thing i think when i see a Bay movie or him as filmmaker. Scheming, devious and manipulative (in the negative description of the word), that's another matter. As for the subject of Cullen, and if my reserach is correct, the talk about the casting of Cullen came way before the move had began post-production, and Bay was adamant to not use Cullen, much to the chagrin of the fans. And i have to say, somebody at the studios besides Bay (maytbe Spielberg) must had realise that Bay was being obtuse and wrong and forced his hand. And then Bay had swallow a hard one and had to kiss ass to the geekdom by admiting his errors.
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you are smart.maybe not talented as an artist,but definitely smart.
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... more like Dr Manhattan, a dark and complex figure that must deal with the choices he makes as he uses his powers, and the fact he is not, in fact, a hero, being an immortal superbeing. I guess some studio heads heard him, because that's what we'll get, with Nolan and Snyder there. Cue in Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack!
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Ah, AssLives, it was you who was put in your place by SAguy. Although he didn't do it out of spite (he's too nice for that), he most assuredly laid bare your faulty usage of the word "hack".
I find it endlessly hilarious to watch as you proclaim how "only idiots" could love certain movies and how much you despise people who have a different view of movies than you do, yet become tellingly silent when one of your TB friends (few and far between, but I digress) claims to love one of those "shit" movies. Can you not see how pathetic that makes you look? How hypocritical everyone can see you are? The more you tell me to go kill myself, the more you make it clear that you have not one intelligent thing to say on the matter. You're a sanctimonious, condescending, one-dimensional windbag. -
) I dont love 300, I just enjoyed it for what it was, a literal moving comic book with heavily stylized visuals, and very over the top action. Something I can ejnjoy when in the right mood/frame of mind. I m not a particular fan of Snyder, but I have absolutely nothing against him either. And besides, I simply am not familiar enough with his filmography having never seen Watchmen or the owl film, to really know what to think of him doing a Superman film. Could be very interesting if nothing else.
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Asi, I was just pointing out a simpell, even Bay cant be called a hack as his films (love or hate em) are clearly identifiable as his films. We all know the things he does in every one of his films (and have unfortunatly been copied by other moron directors). I would just like people to use the word hack correctly in terms of its actual meaning...
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good, misusing the word hack like that is simply beneath you. Btw, why did you hate 300 so much? And have you seen Watchmen (I have yet to ever watch it)..your thoughts?
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very underrated. Its flawed sure, but Singer got a lot right imho. And for sure Routh should be given another chance. He was actually a very good Superman, and I would love to see him given more to do, and more to play as Superman. I do think Snyder would be stupid not to at least meet with him and see if they click so to speak...
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What's up, man? I wasn't referring to you vis-á-vis 300 in particular, but rather AssLives' general dismissal of ANYONE who likes a film he hates -- that is, until one of his few friends admits to liking one of them, at which point his braying bullshit comes to an immediate standstill (at least for that TB). I am sick to death of his condescending, hateful, baseless and sometimes downright ignorant proclamations and his spineless attitude when called on them.
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If you think 300 is good, Watchmen will blow you away.
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MOVIE NOT TO BE MADE! ZACK TO BE KICKED OFF BECUASE OF BAD BOX OFFICE! NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD TO CARE! SMALLVILLE TO END THIS SEASON! NOBODY TO LIKE SUPER HERO MOVIES AFTER MASSIVE BURN OUT FROM BAD ONES! CAPTAIN AMERICA TO BOMB! THOR TO BOMB! AVENGER TO BE SHUT DOWN AND RETOOLED! NO HULK SEQUEL TO BE FILMED! FANTASY AND SCI-FI TO BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE! CHEAP FOUND FOOTAGE MOVIES TO FLOURISH! REMAKES REIMAGININGS REBOOTS TO BECOME STANDARD! AUDIENCES NOT TO GIVE A SHIT! ALL THAT IS TO BE!
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...that everyone involved should watch the Timm/Dini 90's animated series, which is the most perfect non-comic iteration of Superman since the Fleischer shorts.
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...that everyone involved should watch the Timm/Dini 90's animated series, which is the most perfect non-comic iteration of Superman since the Fleischer shorts.
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Sorry for the dub post
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It wasn't the dirt falling away - the Kryptonite was still growing and expanding as he lifted the mass into space. So it got close enough to affect him.
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Calling it now.
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But I'm really starting to resent it for alienating the general public from a character that was initially the embodiment of American populist ideals.
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According to Vulture, Ben Affleck and others turned down the job. Aronfosky was VERY interested (Jesus, I feel like crying) but Warners weren't prepared to give him the time to develop the film because they need to rush it out before they lose the rights. Apparently this is the reason they have chosen Snyder - they believe he can turn the film around the quickest. Also Goyer's script is meant to be, well, in need of a lot of work, but whether it will get that with the time constraints... The basic story is Clark Kent as a freelance journalist traveling the world and decided if he should become Superman.
These are, of course, just rumours at the moment, but if true this could be the death knell for the franchise. It would surprise me though that Nolan would attach his name to a seemingly-fucked project though.
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Oct 06, 2010 9:23:26 AM CDT
I'M FAITHFUL THAT SNYDER WILL RESTORE THE AMERICAN SHEEN
by bringingsexyback
to Superman. As far as I can tell he's been pretty faithful to the themes of the graphic novels he adapted from - 300 and Watchmen. I can see him portraying Superman in the archetypal mold ala Alex Ross. If anyone can bring the Ross-like vision of Superman to life, it's him.
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When was the last time he wrote a really great script? Dark Knight was better off without him and he ruined Blade.
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i don't give a crap about gay ass "superman". i want that next trailer. "sucker punch" will be the movie of 2011.
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Not when Superman Returns wasn't the hit they wanted. They don't want to remind audiences about that movie.
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Zack, listen bud. Slow-motion can be VERY effective,...just as effective as the sudden absence of music. But use it sparingly. James Cameron rarely uses slow-motion but when he does, it is usually very effective. If you can master WHEN to use it (like Cameron), you will be the envy of many. --Just make sure that script is top shelf. And have the costume department from WATCHMEN return Superman to his glorious red and blue. (And here's my vote to bring back Brandon Routh.)
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So far, I'm optimistic about this development. Nolan's involvement is the secret sauce for me. Snyder - well, there's the rub: If he follows too literal a line, then this will be mud. On the other hand, if he makes the script fly (pun intended) then we could all be in for a treat.
For my part, 300 worked beautifully; Watchmen not so much. Clearly, slavish recreation of something as complex as Watchmen just didn't work. The movie didn't sing the way that 300 did.
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Oct 06, 2010 11:06:22 AM CDT
Can't believe those complaining about too faithful adapatations
by stabby
Probably the same hypocrites complaining that Galactus was a cosmic dust cloud!
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Oct 06, 2010 11:30:15 AM CDT
These filmmakers just dont understand Superman or the problem!!!
by weapon m
I truly hope there is someone listening for real!!!! The problem is not that Superman is too goody goody.. Ummm someone forget Spiderman 1 2 and 3?? He's goody goody. Superman doesnt have to be so dark. The problem with Superman is that the story is too unrealistic!!! First of all, give Superman Characteristics that people could relate to! that they could care! He's an alien from another planet. He may have grown up with the Kents but he still is different. Why dont we show how he has trouble relating to human beings in certain instances. Why dont we show how he cant understand certain aspects of society. Maybe he feels isolated and alone! Maybe Lois is his window into the world that he cant understand. We're human beings and we cant understand our world! He's learned so much from his father in the fortress of solitude, but his values dont match that of the realistic world of Metropolis! A villain that is iconic in itself and is recognizable needs to be presented. Look at batman, it's promoted and most celebrated characters are the villains! NOT ZOD again or LUTHOR AGAIN!! Even Luther was tame! Luthor is Tony Stark Gone mad! SHOW US THAT. Robots Mechanical monsters. Amazingly cool space age technology all up against Superman! Superman finding himself in a uniquely different position as enemy of the state or something! Come on people! Not the same recycled shit!!!!!
Another thing Put him inside the DC universe. That would help also. Not isolated universe all unto himself. bring on the DC villains! Why are they recycling the same fucking supervillains? GENERAL ZOD?!! are you fucking kidding me?? Of all the villains Superman has he has to fight the same two guys over the last 6 movies!!! no wonder nobody watches the movies at the level intended. -
The people who say such things never read the Silver Age version of the character, which is what Donner's(and Singer's) version was based on. Superman was always snooping on his friends, trying to figure out what their motivations were. Conversely, Lois and Lana Lang were also always snooping on Clark(to see if he was Superman), on each other(to see if they could figure out how to win over Superman and find their rivals weak points), and on and on. Also, Lex alternated between a mad scientist and a smart con man. He was never some rich industrialist(how cliched is that anyway?). Superman didn't begin with John Byrne's revamp, the character had a rich history long before the post Crisis continuity. I'm sure Nolan/Snyder will make an interesting film, and I'm looking forward to it. But Singer's film was an admirable attempt(and Donner's film is still the benchmark).
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are not in the comic books, I doubt Snyder will be using them unless it really is a sequel or remake of SUPERMAN II.
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Routh was not the problem. The story was to tame.. Routh was one of the few things right about that movie. He was perfect as Superman. Everyone loved Routh as superman, but not enough people saw the movie cause there was not enough interest, nothing unique to go to. People feel they know what to expect. Warner bros throws away things that work and bring back things that don't! Typical
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She's got the perfect combination of classic girl next door looks, acting chops and spunk. My spunk!
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There's no misuse about calling Bay an hack. He is the biggest hack of them all.As for why i dislike 300, the reasons are many and longwinded. If you so wish, i could sent an email to you with my reasons.
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Actually, back when the movie was released, half the geekry hated Routh as Superman. They called him girly, gay and worst. It's only now that seems to be a consensus about his worth as Superman.
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I agree with you about a Superman movie should emphasie Supe's alieness. He is an alien. there's thing he should never be like us. There's quirkiness aboutus humans that for Superman he could never figure out. Insome ways, Superman should act like a person with Asperger's Syndrome, completly lcueless about certain things that make us human. But he isn't. I'm with you on that, friend.
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Save one scene (Manhanthan's on Mars) i hated WATCHMEN. But not as mchy as i hated 300.
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and failing.
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MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!
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A hack is a creator who exploits, for money, his creative ability in the production of repetitive work.There is nothing, NOTHING fresh or original in Bay's output. He often revisits themes over and over again across different movies, his shooting style is the same in EVERY GODDAMN FILM HE HAS EVER MADE. He is the very definition of a hack.It doesn't make him less successful, because truckloads of cinema fuckwits dig triteness, but that also doesn't stop him from being defined as a hack. If we swallow it, hacks will keep spooning it to us.There's plenty of room for hacks in this world - and they often do one thing quite well, but it's the lack of frshness which makes them hacks.
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It was a technicality in his origin, I think Siegel & Schuster intended him to be closer to humanity than he's grown. Why widen the gap between Superman and the audience? I love many of Byrne's post-crisis changes, but the coldness of Krypton and the "birthing matrix" garbage is bad for the character.
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Why shining a light on his alienless is widening the gap to audiences? If anything, it would be great sourse for drama. Everybody has, at some point in their life, felt alienated from the rest of society. If anything, this could make Superman more identifiable.
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Well said.
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I mean, SUPERGIRL and SANTA CLAUS:THE MOVIE are masterpieces of cinema.
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...and people hated it. I just don't think we need to play up his lack of humanity. I agree he shouldn't be "one of the boys", but I think the drama of the responsibility of doing good things with extraordinary talents is stronger than the drama of being from another planet.
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Wouldn't him being "one of the boys" make his story much more interesting as it creates dramatic irony for the audience?
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Mr Snyder hasn't directed a good movie. Proficient...perhaps to some extent... but nevertheless a treater rather than an apprehender, transformer--that is, a man with a vision, an idea--an approach.
he is as we say,,,,,,,,a hack ...a recreator....the most interesting aspect of "the watchmen" he didn't even direct. poor shame. -
I'm not quite following you.
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Knowing that the individual they need to destroy a force (Zod) that is, to their minds, godlike, walks among them sets us, the audience, in a position of knowledge above the entie story, save Kal himself.A wandering god, struggling with his otherness, eager to blend but obliged to reveal his hand and accept the massive responsibility that then follows might work. Though J. Michael Straczynski is doing something akin in his current iteration of Superman for DC.
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Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good. But
I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode
by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I
guess that marked the moment where Patrick Wilson's destiny lay in
movies that were more about superheroes than action, for much of the next
decade.
I was so hopeful when Legend of the Guardians came out that it heralded the
return of Snyder as a genuinely action guy. But it was
a false dawn for both. -
...like a person with Asperger's Syndrome"
Project much, AssLives? Wow, talk about completely misunderstanding the character, moron. It seems you understand Superman the same way you understand Howard's Conan -- in other words not at all. That's at least two American pop cultural icons you don't grok yet post endless texts about. Way to go, sparky. -
The only real alienation played on SUPERMAN RETURNS was that he missed his child birth and growing up. It was not so much his alienation because he's an extra-terrestrial, but because he was not a family with Lois and his son. The alienation angle in SR was quite limited and reduced in scope. Another movie could explore that far better, and more insightfully. Superman's only real dramatic element is that he's AN ALIEN. Otherwise, he's just a perfect goody-two-shoes, and that's fucking boring like hell. To remove Superman's alieness it to take away the only single thing that can make him interesting.
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How does that little punk fit into the mix?
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Oct 06, 2010 1:19:18 PM CDT
DocPasshole, do you have ANYTHING to contribute at all...
by asimovlives
... you fucking staker piece of shit? Sanctimonious motherfucker miserable piece of shit. Kill yourself already, motherfucker! Six Demon Bag gets banned and you are still around? There's no justice. Stalker cocksucker motherfucker!
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Oct 06, 2010 1:21:24 PM CDT
Snyder's hyper-kinetic hyper stylizations for a Superman movie..
by asimovlives
... i hope they don't make that movie in 3D, or everybody will vomit while watching it due to motion sickness.
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To start off, this is a prequel to everything that happened in the previous shows and movies, and I'm sure most of you know that already.
Now, to begin, I haven't seen any of the shows or movies, and I feel as though when I watch this movies that i've seen everything there is to see. The special effects are top notch, the action scenes as Mr. Pink (Reservoir Dogs) would say "you have to be professional when handling this type of job", and that was how it was times 10. The story and whole atmosphere sucked me in and I was hooked the whole time and then some. What's not to like here, seriously?
Now, for me, a person who doesn't watch Sci-Fi movies that much, it was kinda hard to get into, but after 15 minutes I was completely hooked.
I mean, Who didn't go to the movies to see Star Trek? I thought there would never be another good Star Trek, but I was wrong. I actually loved the plot and hope that the characters reveal more in the sequel!
My favorite movie of 2009, the 2nd and 3rdbeing Inglourious Basterds and UP!. This a really well made action movie that is really funny as well. The acting is good, and the special effects are amazing. Definitely worth seeing even if you don't like the series.
You see, I typically don't give high marks for movies because I believe, a lot of times, there's room for improvement. But, if there is in this movie, I didn't see it.
This is an incredible ride! The story is fantastic, and drew me in to how they all came to be the starship 'Enterprise'. Everything is tight and very well done. The cinematography is the BEST I've ever seen.
Not since the 'Matrix' have I enjoyed a science fiction movie like I did this one.
It was just an awesome, exciting, fun, action-packed movie that is sure to entertain and satisfy the hell out of you.
Now I've always been more of a Star Wars fan. I never gave Star Trek a chance, until I saw this movie and it converted me! I thought it was going be just an average Sci-fi flick that focuses more on special effects than story and characters. But I was DEAD WRONG!
This film really discovers the dark roots of the characters you grew up watching and loving as kids. This film is not only the humorous and fun side of Star Trek but also the dark side. The film has the best acting I've ever seen in a Sci-Fi flick. The special effects are mesmerizing and the action scenes are totally out of this world!
I love this movie and it's the perfect summer film to watch. This is a must-see. This film will surly please hardcore fans and NON-fans alike.
You see, When you talk about re-booting a franchise that really needed one like Star Trek, this one was done just fine. The new Captain Kirk, Spock as well as McCoy were cast perfectly; I thought they were great.
This movie nearly destroyed my surround sound system, what a loud movie! Plenty of action and special effects power.
Purists might argue over Kirk's past, even events surrounding Spock's past and present. But its easy to look past minor details and enjoy a wildly entertaining movie.
Ask yourself: Why is James T. Kirk such an insufferable yet cuddly tyrant? Why is Spock so irritating yet strangely accessible? Could Bones be a bigger worry-wort or fast friend? Can anything really "phase" Scotty? And, what about this Uhura? Never has such a cunning linguist graced our screens.
For a true Star Trek fan (no, not TNG, not DS9, or that abomination issued under the same franchise), this is something of a Holy Grail. The legend unfolds under a different time-line. How clever is that? And, Leonard Nimoy reprises his role and becomes a legend within a legend. How often does that happen?
In the first episode of TNG, Picard surrenders the Enterprise. This film brings us full circle to the the heroic majesty - twentieth century man in space - of TOS. There is no surrender, here. Diplomacy issues from the working end of a phaser.
To quote Scotty: "I like this ship! You know, it's exciting!"
I have to agree with a lot of critics. This was a very well done movie that will win over any skeptics. The actors did a fantastic job playing the characters the world knows and loves; making their interpretation of the characters unique, without hurting the legend created by the actors who were formerly in the roles. A well written story that allows for many more villains that the timeline of the original series would not have done.
It did what Gene Roddenberry would have loved to have done. People might think he wouldn't like this but I think the opposite. I think he would have loved it and would have thought he was dreaming when watching it if he was still alive. -
and (he's always) failing. One upside to this announcement is that since he'll be whining about this for another two years, there's a possibility that he might actually learn the difference between "this" and "these" (among other things). So please don't kill yourself Asi, just keep bitching until you give yourself an ulcer. You can then blame it all on Abrams or some shit. Oh, and please take that corny neologism of "geek(e)ry" and shove it. No one finds it cute or endearing you confused little goat wrangler.Eagerly awaiting a weak little stab of "fuck off" from our most beloved English-mangling, cheese-hating Pedro. AspergersLives if you prefer.
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I sounds good on paper, but...
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You're an utterly clueless cretin in love with the sound of your own flat, unimaginative thoughts rattling around in the vast, empty loft you call a head.
Go on, treat us to more of your wisdom regarding Superman and Conan. Maybe you have theories on Paul Bunyan, John Henry and Holden Caulfield as well?
"Hack".... LOL -
You will not look smart by saying stupid shit, you know? Nobody ever told you that, boy?
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The problem with assjackerlives is that he thinks he is always right. He presents his OPINIONS as cold hard fact...."Why is it wrong to call a hack a hack" he posted....BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME OPINION AS YOU DO YOU IDIOT.Just like when he was bitching about people slamming Clash Of The Titans, and he asked "How come you are not as harsh on shit trek as you are on Titans" Because a lot of people LIKED Trek you fucking moron. Your word is not law, jerky. Just because YOU say Trek is bad, does not make it undisputable truth.I have said before I think Trek is good not great, but my opinion is beside the point. Another reason why people cant stand you assjacker....you insult people, right to their faces. Go ahead, deny it asslicker, I dare you. You cant deny it, because the proof is right here in this TB.Chopped goat boy
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"You will not look smart by saying stupid shit, you know? Nobody ever told you that, boy?" Heed your own words boy, you are the texbook example of someone who trys to look smart but says stupid ass shit.Chopped
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Forget it, i'm out of here.
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Awwww we are scaring him away....HA...don't like it when you are owned huh? Just run away like a scared little boy. Can't dispute the facts so you run away.What a pussy, real men stay and fight.Chopped chicken shit.Trolls huh assy? It takes one to know one.
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What are you...chicken?
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But he needs to hear it regardless. Looks like he can't keep stroking that little BladeRunnerUnit of his without running into some conflict. I'm loving watching him writhe around trying to rationalize all of this though. Nolan LIKES Bay's movies!!! Nolan CHOSE Snyder!!! Deal with it, Pedro.
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Choppah respects him in a strange way, for being true to his convictions, I just wish he could do it in a less insulting manner, as do many I am sure.It seems when confronted with cold hard fact he retreats, and that is not what CHOPPAH expects from an adversary such as Asimov.So be it though.
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... a foreboding cameo by a dark entity who might be revealed in a sequel? eh ? eh? hmm. and please choose someone interesting for Lois (NOT Zoey Deschanel).
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I'm sure putting Geoge's face over another actors would not be an issue. George was the only person that played Superman as someone with super-intelligence.
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Ah, as usual, AssLives makes for the exit when the heat gets turned up. Loser.
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Why would I comment on something I haven't seen?
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At least when people start talking shit to me because I'm trolling I'm expecting it and don't act surprised. Assimov. most people liked Star Trek. you're a broken record. shit trek this, jar jar abrams that, dude. JUST STFU ASS CLOWN. you only like movies made in the 70's and 80's. GOOD. GET IN A TIME MACHINE, AND NEVER COME BACK! go sit in a theater playing 2001 and masturbate yourself to death. then go in a time machine and do it again.
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ASS CLOWN LIVES
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Let the pigs roll on this shit, i'm out.
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Since you clearly can't handle it when it's returned to you. Ever heard that, boy?
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Poor Carlos. He just can't deal with the pwnage getting served up in Doc's kitchen. Hot stuff, brutha!
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Perfect!!
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Jon Hamm for Clark/ Superman, Sela Ward for Lois, Ed Asner for Perry White, Clancy Brown for Lex (if he appears). Skew the film as Superman is an established hero, Lois knows who he is, outer space bad guy shows up, massive ass kickery commences.
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abundy1978@gmail.com I am interested to hear your views on 300 and Watchmen.
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abundy1978@gmail.com I am interested to hear your views on 300 and Watchmen.
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scary how close Harry does indeed resemble a Manitee....lol
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No prob, southafricanguy. Got banned for that post, though.
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You can't argue with freaken posts, it's so stupid! Get a life!
Superman should be played by Tom Welling.....and Erica Durance for Lois Lane.....General Zod should be played by Eddie Murphy. Branica should be played by Ben Stein. Dark Side should be played by Hulk Hogan!
In your face SUCKAS!!! :P
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