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Antepenultimate MAD MEN!!
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A remarkable and gripping episode teeming with incident last week, unexpectedly circling around to long-dormant plotlines. And while “Mad Men” no doubt paid dearly for the services of The Rolling Stones three weeks ago, it had to make do last week without Paul McCartney’s vocals.
Pete Campbell applied for security clearance, Betty Francis got a visit from the feds, Roger Sterling lost Lucky Strikes, Joan Harris dealt with a personal issue, Robert Pryce went all John Steed on Lane’s ass, and Don Draper revealed his biggest secret to a new girlfriend – only to discover SCDP’s hottest secretary applying lipstick just outside his door.
What is Roger’s plan? Does he fly Sal Romano south to change the client’s mind?
AMC says of tonight’s installment, titled “Chinese Wall”:
Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce employees resort to scuttlebutt after an agency-wide meeting is called.
Episode titles:
4.1 Public Relations
4.2 Christmas Comes But Once A Year
4.3 The Good News
4.4 The Rejected
4.5 The Chrysanthemum and the Sword
4.6 Waldorf Stories
4.7 The Suitcase
4.8 The Summer Man
4.9 The Beautiful Girls
4.10 Hands and Knees
4.11 Chinese Wall
4.12 Blowing Smoke
4.13 Tomorrowland
10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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I love Boardwalk Empire, Fringe, Terriers, Rubicon, 30 Rock, Community, Cougar Town and The Modern Family. Mad Men is, by far, my favourite thing on television. Roll on July 2011.
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Christ, that guy is the most worthless character ever....
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is so much more than this piece of old hat!
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Yeah it's been a great season. In many ways better than Season 3. <P> BTW, loved you in Deadwood.
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You can't be serious? God I hope not.
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Vocals by George Harrison.
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They turn into a toy company. <br><br> Now that you've read it, don't think you won't think the subject line every time you hear SCDP.
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Wtf herc?
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Jessica Pare's breasts needs their own agent. They're getting more screen time than her face.
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Then YES bring on the Jessica Pare nude scene!
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He almost had it. Now it's all slipping away.<p> In other news, although there are definitely rough seas ahead, I think Sterling Cooper Draper Fisher Price will ultimately make it through okay.<p> Wait -- did I just say "Fisher Price"? Damn you, Squashua!
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shoot more daytime scenes outside the office.
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Mad Men Talk back now officially AICN #1 troll bait.
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It could be a function of cost, but I also assume they are limited in where they can film outdoors since the show shoots in LA.
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murder victims do not get buried 2 days after a murder, even if the cops think they know who the killer is
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There are enough places in downtown LA that could easily be substituted for NYC for an outside shost. It's done quite often.<p> Still it is a very expensive to film outside and I would guess Mad Men blows their budget on interior sets, clothing and set dressing and the like to manufacture the atmosphere that the show is known for.
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What other film or tv show was she nude in?
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It WAS awkward! But I don't know how you can follow up how the last season ended with anything BUT awkward. I hoping Quin gets strapped to a table soon.
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Jessica Pare's feed bags made an extended appearance in Hot Tub Time Machine. It was just about the only good part of that movie.
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Oct. 3, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST
...and its just creepy to NOT have a Dexter talkback
by Keeper Of Chimps
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You will never get a Dexter talkback.
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AMC has Breaking Bad starting late this year so it will be out of competition for next year's Emmys, giving Jon Hamm a better shot at taking one home.<br /><br />Discuss.
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you're forgetting lost & delirious where she was also naked and with piper perabo in a lesbian love scene
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don't let dex hear you say that he might put YOU on his table!
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It is in the trash with the show.
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i think you might be right about jon hammi say "might" because thanks tosteve buscemis performance in boardwalk empire he could have a fight on his hands
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don't talk smack about dexter the show is ten times the show mad men is
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I didn't forget about Lost & Delirious I never knew about it until you mentioned it so thanks for that. Did Not Julia Roberts get nekkid also or was she to prissy to show the goods?
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Damn you, Squashua!
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youre assumptions about miss roberts are correct she has NEVER gotten naked in front of cameras too bad too im sure shes got nice tits
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is going to off himself if one more back thing happens in his life.
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Oct. 3, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST
Where's the Law & Order UK review? It's on BBC America tonight!
by MrMysteryGuest
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Here we go again. Bedding another secretary. I swear, he's the Sam Malone of the advertising world.
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Way to go, Don!
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Bad angle on Jessica Pare in that last seen very overbitey. <P> Heinz will probably save the firm but, Don will dump Dr. Faye anyway.
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Why am I getting the vibe that Roger might off himself by season's end? Wasn't there some rumor circulating a few weeks ago that there would be a major character death this season? With Roger losing Lucky Strike, he's pretty much lost the last thing that made him useful to the firm. He was already starting to feel obsolete before that happened, so I wonder if losing Lucky Strike plus being rejected by Joan might drive him to suicide in the near future. Didn't he also say a couple episodes ago that the way he'd want to die is falling from a high rise? That makes me think of the opening credits sequence. Foreshadowing??
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I think that Roger is going to kill himself and then Joan is going to reveal that she did NOT go through with the abortion. She'll have his baby, and it will always be a part of him (and a secret) that she carries with her for the rest of her days.
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Probably Joan's husband gets killed in Nam and she's suddenly back in his arms, giving him reason to go on. That wouldn't be a major character death, but that's my guess in where this is all going.
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Only two options at this point. Let's hope it's the former, cuz John Slattery is the shit, and it would be a shame for him to leave permanently. Also, I bet Megan gives mad awesome blowjobs with those big teeth of hers.
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Good theory about Joan. I was already speculating that she decided to keep the baby and made Roger believe she aborted. They're already setting things up for next season. She'll have the kid and her husband (might) return from Vietnam.
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They could still use Roger in flashbacks for next season, and he's proven himself as a director for this show. He might continue to direct more episodes next season.
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Or is it just me? It's always been a witty show but the humor seems more pronounced this season. Maybe the actors/writers/characters are more comfortable with each other? Anyway I'm laughing more while watching than I used to.
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You might be right, but I still think they could also pull Pete's death out of their bag of tricks. Roger seems kind of obvious now. Cooper wouldn't be too shocking either. He's old. Oh, and I am torn about Megan. As much as I would love to see "more" of her, I really like Faye. And it was good to see Jane again. Homina, homina!
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Then Peggy has Lipstick on Her Teeth. Stuff like that is what I'm talking about. Maybe it's a sort of Giddy Gallows Humor. But it's definitely there.
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Blankenship was hilarious. It might be funnier based on her alone.
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He's one of the 3 main characters. Don, Peggy, and Pete are the big trifecta of this show. However, tonight I was almost expecting Trudy to die during labor, leaving Pete a single father stuck raising a new baby. Boy, that would have been stressful for him combined with the pressure of keeping this firm afloat. Just the kind of thing to drive him to an early heart attack.
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Although I can't believe they cast him in what was nothing more than a single scene cameo. Give that guy a bigger role on this show! He's the kind of actor that can bring some real class and gravitas to any scene he's in.
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as the VP in season 5. It was nice seeing him on the show, albeit briefly.
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to me anyway. I enjoy seeing him in other roles, but in a suit he always looks exactly like Leland Palmer. He should change his hairstyle or grow a beard or something.
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and my eyes are too crappy. I didn't realize that Ray Wise was on the show. I can't believe I missed the Devil himself.
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I loved the Jim Reeves music at the end. "Welcome To My World". What a great, classic country gem.
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show is like a good book...takes some time for things to build but you can tell that some big shit is about to go down with Jimmy now siding with Chicago...everyone's also gunning for Nucky including Doyle and Rothstein...can't wait to see where things are headed
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The wolf is always at the door, and sometimes you want to let him come in!
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Would have some ugly kids.
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and that funeral scene was the best
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pare does have an overbite....and its makes her even sexier
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STARGATE IS WHAT A TV SHOW IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE
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YOU SEE A TYPEWRITER AND THATS IT!
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BB was given more pre-production time for the writers to work their magic and won't start shooting again until Jan 2011. Suppose they could have started airing again in March like they typically do, but judging by their podcasts, it's already a hectic enough schedule, so AMC's decision to wait until July gives them even more breathing room. They didn't do it to completely knock one of their two award-winning series out of contention just so an actor on the other one could win an award the network already owns. And how effing awesome would it be to have both BB and MM airing at the same time?!<p><p>Yep, too bad Wise didn't have more than a bit part. Overbite or not, would you say no if Pare came up to you and said "do me, no strings attached?" BTW, she also dropped trou in Stardom. And Roger was extra upset because he was molested by Lee Garner, Jr! Sorry, bad joke.<p><p>Spangler deserves more time on Rubicon. Just like your favorite funny, but creepy uncle.
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left me a little cold. Other than Peggy's hook-up with "Abe the Proto-Hippie"(TM)I did not connect with the rest of the ep all that much. <P> Basically a set-up episode for the final 2. <P> Weiner is simply priming the pump on his Swiss precision drama machine.
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...because Faye will keep feeding him her contacts, which means he'll likely keep her around for awhile despite what goes on with Megan.
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I didn't even know Spencer Gifts was around in the 60s.
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Spangler is pretty dang creepy. I hope he gets what's coming to him.
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Jessica Pare was only 17 when she starred in Stardom. Are you sure it wasn't a body double?
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If you go to Egotastic.com, and type in Jessica Pare in the search, you can see stills of her in her scene from Hot Tub Time Machine. Magnificent.
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I can see that ... Definitely nothing to really bowl the viewer over but still some really sharp stuff. <p>Not sure where they're going with the secretary, and I'm a little leery, but I'll obviously reserve judgment given their track record.
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It wasn't so much about him screwing yet another secretary. It's the fact that while he was doing that, his girlfriend was out risking her career to help him save his. Nice way of showing, once again, what a fucking scumbag he is.
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Yeah it's not looking good for Sterling. If he doesn't off himself than he'll probably be off the show anyway barring some kind of miracle. He serves no purpose without Lucky Strike. Not only did he lose his lone account, lose Joan, and have his autobiography tank, but he hit rock bottom this week by having Cooper, COOPER of all people!, basically tell him he's been a joke his whole career.
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He's too vane for that. My guess is the big one will finally take out his ticker in the last episode this season.
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But go he must, or change, I think. His character has kind of reached the end of a major arc - his life up to this point - and I think he either ends it, leaves the company and turns over a new leaf, or has some kind of sea change, staying at SCDP with new mojo. Losing Lucky Strike, Joan, Cooper calling him out, and him looking at that pitiful book, it just seems like the end.<p>Now that I think about all that, the episode seems more substantive.
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Roger spent most of the episode a whining mess desperate for sex with Joan. And Danny had a question but was too far back to have it answered.
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He's kind of funny but what a fucking asshole that guy is. Don made it perfectly clear the gravity of landing the Platex deal in light of losing Lucky Strike, so what does he do? He jeopardizes the meeting out of childish revenge by not telling Peggy she has lipstick all over her teeth. Moronic.
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She's like Peggy, but really hot. Naturally, Don hops on board. But, yeah, within a day or two of his fight with Faye? C'mon, man. Granted, he didn't TRY to stop it a little bit. You'd have to have to be a strong man to stop after that woman insisted.
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"Granted, he did TRY to stop it a little bit."
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You kinda feel bad for the guy, but marrying that trophy wife who he won't even have a conversation was always a bad move. It did seem like he was happy back then, though.
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How did you all like that ridiculous rich housewife ensemble she had on last night? The horror. Roger completed the picture with his offhand insult "Now what did you buy?" Just sad.
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She knew how to hit all his buttons and she used her prowess effortlessly to bag her man. He was helpless against her powers. Sadly Don is still a child. He stepped to the edge of change and instead chose the easy route by not picking a woman who challnged him at all. Just another fuck bunny, albeit a seemingly more intelligent one, instead of a true partner and equal.
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Until they disagree with them. Half expected him to tell Faye, "Shit, I thought you were done with me."
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However, given all we have been by this show, this was the weakest of the season. Still, this episode by itself thrashes anything else on TV.
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does it inspire you at all? i doubt mad men changes you.
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My guess is that it is Cooper who actually dies (or has a debilitating stroke) in the next episode or the finale and that his this finally triggers Roger's life change. It will reinvigorate him in a strange way and make him take up his father's mantle. I believe at the end of this season and for all of next, we'll see Roger become the AD MAN he was meant to be. He'll be kicking ass while Don has ups and downs. THEN in the middle or at the end of Season 5, he'll have a heart attack and die. It will be much more powerful and tragic if Roger dies while he's back on top and living a better life than to "kick him when he's down" and off him now. I'd still expect to see Slatterly direct some episodes and appear in a flashback or two though going forward...
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It's great to see a journeyman actor like Robert Morse who's paid his dues get to do quality work at this stage of his career but, if story demands it so be it. <P> If "Breaking Bad" has one weak spot I think that it is that Jesse should have been killed at the end of last season. In the real world a fuck-up like Jesse would be dead. I don't think a late blooming sociopath like Walter White would keep a liability like Jesse around for sentimental reasons. <P> Too many shows keep characters around that should move on or be killed off because good story telling demands it but, they are kept on because the audience or the producers or the network like the actor.
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cant she ever find a real nice guy?
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think he could have at least some sort of humorous sub-plot going on. <P> Hate it for Roger. Think Joan has put him back into the "absolutely not" file
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odd coincidence.
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way more interesting than mad men. is it as good as it sounds?
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"What is Rubicon about? ... Is it as good as it sounds?"<p>You're an idiot
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Three decades in a row!
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Oct. 4, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST
what? i think this Rubicon show sounds interesting
by DioxholsterReturns
not sure what its about exactly. but why am I an idiot?
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Some real tension, a lot of pay off, and more build up for those of us who have waited patiently for the story to flesh out. It's my favorite new show of the year, and I'm also factoring in Boardwalk Empire (my second favorite new show). Here's hoping AMC takes mercy on Rubicon's struggling ratings. Afterall, the show looks incredibly cheap to make.
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He's a handsome, talented guy. But God put something in his face that always makes him look shifty and untrustworthy.
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mad men is so boring
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Reminds me of the time this gaggle of Millennial teens walked in on my favorite book store, milling about, blathering, but not even looking at the product on the shelves. At one point, one of the kids whines into his cell phone, "Ah man, I'm so FUCKING BORED right now-w-w-w...!"<p> Fuck I hate stupid people.
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Oh wait, there's not one. That's because it sucks.
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Oct. 4, 2010, 5:55 p.m. CST
no offense but Rubicon sounds more original than The Event
by DioxholsterReturns
i might check it out. AICN tends to hide the good TV shows from us.
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Has left the building?
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Not a double. The actress in American Beauty was <18, so I don't think age is necessarily an issue.<p><p>Spangler is creepy, but great to have around. Man can indeed live on cereal and "the good shit" alone.
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under 18, so age isn't necessarily an issue.<p><p>Spangler's creepiness makes him great to have around. Man can indeed live on a diet of cereal and "the good shit" alone.
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is about a billion and half times better than Dexter.
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Do you mean Mena Suvari or Thora Birch? I believe they did use a double for Thora Birch, but I think that was Mena Suvari, straight up. Am I wrong?
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I wish more people watched it.
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It was Birch. She was 17, and Suvari was 19 or 20. The PR around the film make note of how it required parental approval, etc.
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Every time I think it's doing something right, I end up throwing my hands up at the screen. This conspiracy , for the all the mystique surrounding it on the show, seems to be amateur hour. Talk about the WORLD'S WORST assassin. Jesus I could kill a man easier. First this supposed professional leaves the cooking spoon in full view for Will to find, then instead of waiting to ambush him in the bathroom, he steps out into Will's peripheral view to try to STAB him with this needle. Then despite being twice Will's size, he is overpowered after destroying the room and making a racket. Then Will blows him away with a non-silenced gun and sits out in the hallway bloodied without his neighbors apparently giving a shit about the obvious brawl and shooting thta took place on the floor. What a fucking joke.
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...that Don was allowed access to Megan's lady parts so quickly. Still, I'm hoping that the character not only sticks around, but that she proves to be one of the pillars of the show as it continues on. She's smart, quietly ambitious and, for my money, provides the only genuine female warmth since Rachel Menken left the show. It would be truly cool if, by Mad Men's final season, she ended up being the one to finally "three-dimensionalize" the hollow and shallow Don Draper.
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It's going to be a classic case of sleeping her way to the top, that is if SCDP even lasts past this season.
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I find Faye to be very warm. I like her a lot.
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I always thought it was a body double for Thora Birch. The way they shot it, if I remember correctly, had a pane separating the image of her chest from the image of her neck and head. I just assumed it was a double because she had starred as the very young daughter of Jack Ryan in Patriot Games just 7 years prior. Of course, if it came down to parental consent, her mother did star in porn.
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Roger's book becomes an overnight sensation. Hits the bestseller list. Clients come pouring into SCDP.
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