Oct. 2, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST
I actually kinda like that show. Though its basically the same thing every week. As long as Chuck gets a back 9 and finishes the season I'll be happy.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST
With 6 shows below it, and only a couple new ones for midseason I think Chuck just might make it to a back nine. Then its on to battle the new pilots for a 5th season.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:42 p.m. CST
It's amazing that Smallville and Supernatural are pulling 1.0's in their Friday Night Death Slots and are only within .5 of the CW's top rated show. Supernatural would probably be doing much better than Nikita in it's old slot.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST
with torv being murdoch's neice. Of course if the show goes farther and farther down in the ratings that won't save it but it will help as long as it's doing half decently.<p> The next show to get cancelled will be.... that maura tierney rob morrow thing that i can't even remember the name of.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST
Talk about sudden death overtime. Shows get barely even one chance? I'm sure we all are familiar with the story of how CHEERS finished dead friggin last of ALL the week's new shows its first week. If that tried to come about in today's world, we'd never of had one of the greatest shows in TV history.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:48 p.m. CST
I don't watch it so i think it should be cancells
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST
By not putting losers out of our misery, the nets are conceding that they are bereft of ideas. <p>
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
That will be the first episode in which a new young female CSI will be introduced to create a triangle between Jack and Liz. The standing sets will be new, and they are making subtle wardrobe and production design adjustments. In the meantime, they're burning off two more episodes that didn't air when they were originally scheduled to in the summer.<p><p>The ratings stink, though (it has fallen to essentially last place in its timeslot on Fridays; unable to hold onto much of the audience of its lead-in, Human Target), and I wonder if it will be too little too late when the reboot episode finally arrives.<p><p>Despite its hitting-you-over-the-head with its zany, quirk, and stupid, the series shows potential charm, mainly because of Whitford. Really, the only thing about The Good Guys that needs to be fixed is the writing -- they need better scriptwriting, and to clock back on the contrived quirk, and simply tell good stories, focus on character development, and let Whitford's character Dan Stark be the one that is mostly zany and how that contrasts with all his straight-level colleagues and villains (who shouldn't be as eccentric and "cute" as Stark).
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST
When does the Second Season of CARPOOLERS begin? T.J. Miller rocks as Marmaduke, and I know that Jerry O'Connell is juggling two shows at the same time (that lawyer thing with Jim Belushi) the way Heather Locklear does HOOKER and DYNASTY simultaneously... Also, do you think that CBS will have a tough go of it renewing THE CAVANAUGHS with the passing of Barnard Hughes? Just wondering.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST
A truly great piece of science fiction.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST
The one most safe, I think, is Fringe, though what Herc said for Detroit 1-8-7 is interesting.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST
Basically has a "get out of cancellation forever free" card...last time Fox tried, the FBI and Law Enforcement across the country told them to keep it running.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST
why do they keep fringe on thurs? is it b/c of Idol fucking up Fox's schedule later in the year?
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
The whole alt-reality arc is rather daring of them to do, since it appears they are going to carry through with this format, alternating between the two, throughout the season. In this highly competitive environment for ratings, a scripted series with soft ratings may as well quit playing it safe and just go for it.<p><p>My humble suggestion to the Fringe producers (actually, it's also my prediction): merge both realities into one in the season finale finale, in order to heal the growing dimensional rift that is tearing about the alt-reality. That means, the two Olivias, two Walters, etc. should merge into one, who retains the memories of both. Characters who are alive in one reality but dead in the other (e.g. Charlie) are alive in the joined reality.<p><p>Therefore, this would mean that if Fringe returns for a 4th season, then it would be a procedural set in an alternate reality (where blimps are in everyday use), and make it where the Observers take up issue with the fact that this merged reality now exists.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:09 p.m. CST
dont care what you say herc, it costs too much to keep with those falling ratings
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST
So is this show cancelled?
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST
How about most of them.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST
and if people were sane, the ones that should would be about 2/3 of the way up the list, not the bottom. Fringe and Sons of Anarchy are good examples.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST
Not exactly sure what warrants a talkback around here (amount of reader interest to justify it, interest from Herc/staff, or what), but ... any chance of SAMCRO seeing some love? Everyone in these forums should be watching that show.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST
by andrew coleman
Horrible trash. Fringe is pretty much the only show I care for. I don't get the hate for the Event. It dipped in ratings but that was actually expected. It didn't bomb like Lone Star which didn't get enough time to even breath before it was canceled.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:53 p.m. CST
"The Box" is currently the 12th Top TV Download at the moment.
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST
by PRESIDENT BALTAR
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Oct. 3, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST
"Rubicon" and "Terriers" are of higher quality than any new drama on the broadcast networks and no one is watching. It will be interesting to see if AMC or FX will back these two for a second season despite piss poor ratings. Anyone know how "Breaking Bad" or "Damages" or "Sons" fared in their first seasons as far as ratings go? If they were on network or even HBO they'd be toast.
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST
Xen11, two episodes until cancellation is not a record or something specific to FOX. CW did it with Beautiful Life last year. ABC did it this week with My Generation. I remember Emily's Reasons Why Not (with Heather Graham) got cancelled after airing one episode.
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:33 a.m. CST
by Stefan McTierney
There's no conspiracy to keep your preferred complex and original show down, it's just that most people want to watch the same old shit on tv. Yes, ratings are an imperfect picture of an audience, but first airing ad revenue is where the money is made (and DVD, but they can't invest in a full season of a show nobody watches and cross their fingers that it somehow becomes a hit on DVD) and despite the small-seeming sample, if Nielsen was fucking this up someone else would do the same thing with a better model and the networks would pay them instead of Nielsen. Hulu and itunes are a drop in the bucket. So ratings are what matter. And people like shit. Total shit. According to Jim, CSI Miami shit. Here's why: they have other shit going on and TV is a low priority. People in this talkback are probably mostly like me, in that they love the TV shows they love to the point that they know when there's a new episode, they will block out some distraction-free time (either when it airs, or later on the DVR or online) to watch it. The rest of the world is considerably less passionate. They turn on the TV and see what's on, and they pay their bills, watch the kids, fold the laundry, do the dishes, whatever, all while watching. If you turn on Fringe and their talking about Walternate and Olivia's typing into her typewriter to the other universe, and you've not seen the show before (or haven't seen it in a while), you will be confused and watch something else. If you half pay attention to Lone Star, you might not pick up on the tension between the protagonist and his father over the fact that his cover story involves a bum for a father. Or something. Anything complex is hard to follow when you're not really watching. But the same old shit is easy to follow. Law & Orders do the "thunk-thunk" noise to remind you look up from whatever you're doing when they're changing scenes, laugh tracks remind your brain that there was a joke just now and that if you remember what was just said you might find it funny, cop shows generally all go the same way (a crime happens, we learn the particulars, a suspect emerges, some kinda twist, then they either get the bad guy or they don't (but we know who the bad guy is, anyway)), so even if you come in halfway through, you more or less know what's going on. Shows get canceled quickly because they are fucking expensive and ratings almost never go up. $3 million an episode sometimes. So pulling the plug on Lone Star now instead of giving it a third episode can save you $3 million. And you know you can bring in Lie to Me and get maybe a 50% improvement in the ratings, so why wouldn't you do that? And yes, a show sometimes develops an audience. Cheers is the one everyone points to. But how many shows with shit ratings got renewed because the network believed in the show, only for it to continue to get shit ratings? It happens all the time. Arrested Development's ratings did not merit a renewal after the first season, but among passionate fans of TV it's the most beloved comedy of the last decade. And thank goodness, they renewed it. And it continued to get shit ratings for a season and they renewed it again so that it could get shitty ratings for a third season. That was a gift. A wonderful, awesome gift, but these were in no way sound business decisions. The general viewing public was not watching the show. Dollhouse, Better Off Ted, Andy Richter Controls the Universe, and many other season 2's were also gifts. They were decisions driven by wishful thinking that a good show would catch on, and they were rewarded by the same shit ratings, because 9 times out of 10 that's what you get. Almost every show gets the best ratings it will ever get in its premiere. So when you start off at shit, even with all the advertising you'd been doing over the summer (and people always complain that the network never supports the show that got cancelled, but I saw a dozen commercials for Lone Star and for My Generation, they always advertise them pretty well), it's only going to go down from there, because no matter how broad your show's appeal, some of the people who tune in will hate it. The networks want to make money. If enough people watch for it to make enough money to justify the cost, they will keep putting it on, whether it's World's Blankiest Blank or MILF Island or the even more highbrow spinoff of Masterpiece Theatre, they will show it if the money's there. If there were 10 million Firefly fans in America tuning in every week, it'd still be on. Unfortunately, there are not. The money is not in complex and original shows with unique characters and all that. The money right now is in cop shows and lawyer shows and doctor shows and pseudo-celebrities ballroom dancing and retarded sitcoms about "nerds." So that is what we get. end rant
Oct. 3, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Like so many great series, or potential ones, I think Fringe belongs on HBO or Showtime with an NR (Not Rated) attached, to allow graphic language, sex, and violence. They can still do it, and I propose that they do.
Oct. 3, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Oct. 3, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST
And the money those commercials bring in. If you use your DVR or ITunes to watch a show or bit torrent it, you don't get to see the commercials. And if you don't see the commercials, you're not watching the show when it's on therefore you're taking yourself out of how the networks rate the series with the Nielsens. Yeah, the Nielsens--totally fucking stupid and totally obsolete like the typewriter or an Amiga computer. The Nielsens is a 20th century holdover that needs to be exterminated like the vermin it is. The Nielsens are one of the many viruses the networks and the studios are infected with when it comes to destroying great, quality television. When you have series after series going to DVD within just a few months after it ends for the season and all the revenue that brings in, you're still telling me that the networks are losing money if we, the public, aren't watching those damn commercials and making sure we hit the Nielsen rating for our favorite show? With everybody out there watching cable, how can the Nielsens even matter these days?
Oct. 3, 2010, 3:59 a.m. CST
That show is currently led into by repeats of House - hardly what I'd call a good start. They need to schedule it back on a Monday if they want to keep it - it has much more going for it than these ratings would allow. A Monday with Human Target and Good Guys to go against Chuck and The Event makes for proper competetive broadcasting. It'd probably give Chase a better chance aswell. My 2c worth.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST
I declare your show baaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:27 a.m. CST
every episode they deal with a different case. that blows.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:32 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
And it just launched in Syndication as a Strip. So it may not be going anywhere for a few more seasons. Syndication may also help First Run Ratings since most people who have never watched (or haven't watched in a while) may discover the show and tune in. I myself hadn't seen an episode since Season 1, and now I totally prefer it over Family Guy. American Dad's storylines are far more cohesive and rely less on cutaway gags.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:39 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
And create a more accurate system a few years ago. But it was shot down. Nielsen has huge influence, but when you look at its highly flawed system, you can tell its a ridiculous joke. Its all statistics that are seemingly pulled out of someone's ass. I bed if there were an actual counter on each cable/converter box, you would see total viewers change. BUT, then they wouldn't be able to gauge Demo Ratings, which networks need to sell to advertisers (especially during the Upfront). But again, since it's fucking flawed anyway, I don't see why they let these bastards monopolize the system... <p>Interestingly enough, I sat in a meeting where they said they were getting closer to a counter that counted actual eyeball impressions... So basically it would count how many eyeballs viewed a screen. When I heard that I had to laugh because they wont put a simple counter in a box, yet they'll develop a big brother scanner that counts eyeballs?
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:54 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
It doesn't win its timeslot but it fares okay on its own. Plus, it's one of the few new shows this season that does well in DVR ratings (Nielsen keeps track of these as well), adding an additional 2+ million viewers to its overnight tallies. I predict Chase will steadily grow its ratings over this season, and NBC will grant it a back 9 by the end of the year. It could be one of the sleeper hits of this season.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:55 a.m. CST
It's garbage. It's lazy storytelling on the grandest scale. Its a police procedural like CSI or Law & Order, with just enough genre nonsense thrown in to trick soft-headed X-files and Lost fans into thinking they're watching something compelling. the only show that was worse was Heroes.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:58 a.m. CST
...everything there is it delivers in a big way. Fringe is a x-files cop show, with a spoon of ALIAS. i expect a smoke monster
Oct. 3, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST
Because racist white people won't watch Aliens.
Oct. 3, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST
"The Good Guys" ratings are BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't have to hit us over the head with it every other paragraph!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:55 a.m. CST
i like the good guys & that liz chick seems to get hotter every week
Oct. 3, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
That's just how it is. Network exec monkeys program for the mass audience monkeys. You just have to enjoy what quality does survive and not take it personally when something you like doesn't.
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST
The promos make it look like a live action version of an animated Adult Swim Show "Stroker and Hoop. that aired a couple of years ago."
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:11 a.m. CST
It's a Factoid
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST
"Lost: The Hurley Chronicles" into production very soon.
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:26 a.m. CST
Personally I think it jumped the shark , but they seem to have realized this and are pulling out quick, so maybe it will recover. <BR><BR> I do find it interesting that the simpsons is still hanging on. I haven't watched an episode of that in 7 or 8 years and I used to be a rapid fan since the 1st season. I guess I just grew out of it... the Movie was the nail in the coffin for me. For some reason I just didn't find it funny. I couldn't believe myself when I thought it in the theater. It was like realizing I wasn't in love with my girlfriend or something. farked up. <BR><BR> SGU isn't truly sucking but it is sad to see they have gotten so desperate for stories that they can't explore the new universe they're in... they have to keep bringing in people from the existing universe. <BR><BR> Oh and don't get started on Fringe... last season we saw the glimmer that we might actually see some real deaper stories and true scifi for more than just a second. This season's last episode was such a disappointment. The_Maltese_Vulcan, you need to raise your standards, man. I still watch Fringe and will till the end, but see my rant in the Fringe TB whenthey come in so weak on the "science" side of science fiction, it just bothers me so much. If this show were on Syfy people would have already trashed it as drivel.
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST
Heard of it?
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
Journeyman and Life were well produced shows that could have survived and found an audience given a little more time. The strike killed Life, I understand that. Journeyman need one more season to see if it could expand on their premise. Life was fantastic and when they saw the second season finale as a series finale, they took care of the fans and gave a very satisfying ending. Heroes had four seasons to give us a good send off and we get pudgy Claire, questionable lesbian, looking into the camera as if we gave a shit, then or at any other time in the series, about what her character thinks. After getting dickjammed with heroes for four years (wanting it to recapture that first season so badly) get undercovers? outlaw? the event?(tying to capitalize off of the Lost gap, what a useless show with a pretend mystery covered by the jumping timeline). I love Chuck. I never thought it would get far out of the gate and I have been gladly proven wrong. People say it is declining, but I don't think the quality of the show has changed one bit. The problem is that it has not shaken things up very much and I think that is the criticism it gets. SVU is bordering on science fiction and the new Los Angeles crew seemed to have this '80's "Hey, this is LA, what do you think about it?" attitude. The comedies are not enough to hold up NBC when their dramas suck. No Seindfeld or Freinds level shows. They have properties that could sell. Even Bionic Woman. I know I am not the first or last person to say this, but Bionica Lewinsky was miscast. Sackhoff's charcter was badass, interesting and resembled the original bionic woman. Plus, the chick cast in the remake looked like shit. I could not believe that was the same smoking hot piece of ass from Jekyll. Fuck, Miguel Ferrer was in Bionic Woman, too. He is the beans.
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST
Unless its for the right to say I told you so later, I dont see why. The only think that matters to me about shows on the chopping block is that they are given enough notice to wrap a few story threads up......and even that rarely happens. Becoming a fan of 95% of the shows out there will eventually lead to dissapointment in its cancellation and the way its plots are resolved. Unless you only watch 60 minutes, Nightline, David Letterman, or Sesame Street. Those shows will outlive you.
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST
Based on the headlines that are being written about your reports, you're gonna make everybody panic about their favorite shows! Stop it!
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST
..although rational and well thought out, don't make much sense. "Detroit 1-8-7" "floundering"? Not according to your own numbers. I think maybe you don't like the show and are hoping it fails. "Life Unexpected" is this years "The Beautiful Life"? Crazy talk. LU was a good premise not written very well. TBL was canceled after 2 episodes if I am not mistaken. "Outsourced" "frightening away" the audience for "The Apprentice"? Are you kidding? 2.8 to 1.3. Hardly proves the point you are trying to make. More crazy talk. And, to be clear, no program has yet shown itself to be truly worthy of cancellation, it's just that the suits have become panicky. Please just report your findings, ludicrous as they are, and stop with the personal interjections.
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST
Hey, you know what's cancelled Herc? FIREFLY, WONDERFALLS, DEAD LIKE ME, DOLLHOUSE and very verry very soon FRINGE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is all.
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST
you hit it exactly. the problem with the hercs of the world is that they believe the opinion they have is somehow "correct" because they have no real life at all, no existence outside the universe of the computer screen, so as a result they feel threatened when someone says "did you know there are only about a hundred thousand fans of FIREFLY in the entire world?" they live in a twofold state of bemoaning the majority and DESPERATELY wanting to be in the majority, knowing they can't and never will. so they pick on Jay Leno and go for the easiest targets ie "middle America" and attack decent people who don't want to try to figure out the massive miscalculation that was the gigantic backstory for FIREFLY or DOLLHOUSE. They want some quick entertainment after a hard day of working (something Herc probably knows nothing about as I suspect the guy probably hasn't worked a day in his life, really worked with his hands and his brain like hard working middle Americans have to do - operating an industrial lift is NOT "dumb labor"). So Herc insults people over and over, won't cover shows he considers "middle America" and won't cover positive coverage of any show he dislikes or people he dislikes because it deviates from his world view where he considers himself relevant. Guess what Herc your NOT relevant and you don't matter and the only reason I post on here about you is because your attacks need to be used as examples to educate others of how not to be. You quite honestly make me feel as sick as your avatar.
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST
the masses take her body down and rip it to pieces. That would be something worth watching.
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST
Did you see the last episode, with her wearing the hooker outfit? Now that's good television!<p>My cable listings is showing House at 9 next Friday. However, it is described with the same plot as the episode airing at 8, so maybe it's just a glitch. Or, has the show been pulled or moved?
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST
by I Max U Mini
Good Television. I love watching Bradley and his 'stache. And Jenny Wade is smokin' hot. She was the best thing to come out of Reaper.
Oct. 3, 2010, 1:50 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
It was great to see them together again in the most recent episode of "The Good Guys". But then I started thinking, and wonder: Did Wise and Wade ever share a scene together on "Reaper"?
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST
Colin Hanks is horrible on the show.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST
Is lucky to have survived this long. I'm sure if a cretain famous actors son wasn't involved with this show,it would've been liquidated already. With extreme prejudice.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST
from cnn.com:Popular movies like "Anchorman" and "Kick Ass" and canceled television shows like "Veronica Mars" and "Gilmore Girls" have a vocal fan base, launching internet petitions and Twitter campaigns. Although the fans are rowdy, the internet can cloud exactly how many of them there are. "It's really no more than a few thousand people here or there that are kind of holding this torch," VanAirsdale said. "But because they have the internet and they can angle their cause in a way that makes the media pay attention, it just looks like a bigger crusade than it actually is."
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST
But mainly because I feel I have to. I haven't grown attached to the characters yet, and I can't get past Anna Torv's husky voice and fake American accent. "The X-Files" was a way better show. If "Fringe" gets canceled, I won't miss it.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST
by JT Kirk
Man, I thought the Fox marketing team sucked donkey balls when the show debuted, but now they're both barely mentioning the show is on, and they have no idea what to say about it.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST
Fuck that fucking dumb ass stupid show. I only lament the departure of the lovely Anna Torv, i hope she finds better pastures next time. She's too lovely for that bullshit Fringe.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:38 p.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST
You are clearly a master of the English language; practically a poet. Do tell, what do you prefer for your TV viewing pleasure?
Oct. 3, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST
Your bizarre obsession with having JJ Abrams mount you is making all the Iberian goats lonely. Has Interpol caught you on that barn yard animal rape warrant yet?
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:14 p.m. CST
yeah, every episode isnt perfect (so far this season has just been 'okay') but saying it's 'shit' is just ridiculous. overall it's still one of the few shows i get excited about week to week.
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST
Why would it be justice for fringe to be cancelled? Did it wrong you somehow? Some of us like it, so let us have it and you can change the channel, buttwipe.<p>it seems to me that Fox doesn't care very much about human target or the good guys. But they gotta promote the shit out of Glee! Even though it's ALREADY very popular. Promote the ones not being watched!!
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST
Personally, I don't think they need it. It's a fun show, dammit. Seems like all the new shows I like aren't being watched. Maybe life would be easier if I liked the crap everyone else did. So this reboot idea aggravates me. But to have it include a effing love triangle?? That is NOT what any show needs.
Oct. 3, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST
L&O: SVU is doing pretty well for FOX considering it's actually on NBC...
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
It's odd that FOX committed to produce so many episodes of the series, but evidently lost faith in it when they started airing it: they aired episodes out of order, which messed up the rekindled romance arc between Jack and Liz. FOX pulled four episodes out and messed up the broadcast order of the rest. It looks like the network wanted to air the episodes with the zaniest villains first -- ironically, I personally enjoyed the two episodes aired so far on Friday (which are part of the four pulled over the summer) the most, because the villains weren't so cornball acting and talking with cartoony accents.<p><p>As for the reboot, October 22 will be the first of 7 episodes FOX ordered which will tweak the show's format. The standing sets may be different, the costumes not so brightly colored, a new sexy young female CSI added to the cast, and I think the informant guy will be added as well to the regular cast. (With these cast additions, I wonder if the Ruiz character will just disappear.) These 7 episodes may have a story arc dealing with Dan's ex parter, Frank.<p><p>After this, who knows what will happen with the show. But they will already have aired 20 episodes by the of the year, when all the other new series that premiered this fall won't even hit 9 or 10 episodes by year's end. Except for screwing up the broadcast order of episodes over its summer premiere, FOX has been frankly extraordinarily generous toward The Good Guys and creator Matt Nix, giving it a break over its 13-episode run and a second chance with another 7-episode order. Lone Star (also produced in Dallas) only got 6 episodes made, and only 2 aired (so far).
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:47 a.m. CST
still haven't heard your final learned word, analyzing the numbers of all the new shows, which have no premiered. So please, won't you tell us, what is the number one new show based on the ratings that you have?
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:56 a.m. CST
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:02 a.m. CST
It should have been gone long ago. Actually there are no good new shows at all (and a lot of bad ones are still on the air). Anxiously awaiting Walking Dead though - I love me some Andrew Lincoln, and he's overdue for American stardom.
Oct. 4, 2010, 3:44 a.m. CST
your all douchebags and redbull_werewolf cancelling a show just because you dont watch it? do the world a favor and take a dive off a cliff
Oct. 4, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST
IQ's really HAVE dropped. Police procedural? Then I guess the X-Files was a cop show as well, huh? Have you even been watching the show??? A different case every week...??? Missed a lot of the arcs they've had haven't you? As for 'sub-par X-Files', that shit is SO old. They surpassed the X-Files during season 2, easily. Seriously, I'm beginning to think the so-called geeks of the world who supposedly like Sci-Fi actually only get a hard on for films made 30 years ago and tv shows that have been cancelled. If they cancel Fringe, 10 years from now (hell, one year from now) you haters will be telling all your friends "I loved that show. It was so cool. But noone watched it so the idiot execs cancelled it......" Schmucks. You don't like good SciFi? Fine. We don't need to know you have no taste.
Oct. 4, 2010, 6:46 a.m. CST
You have to go to the little channels for quality, it's AMC, HBO, etc. the channels that want creativity. Network TV is just not trying at all, say what you will about the Emmys but they're on the right track. How many cloned shows, remakes, reboots, etc. makes any of these shows original? For the best TV Shows, you look at the past to see the originality, not what we have now in the major TV networks. Originality, originality is what Network TV is lacking these days.
Oct. 4, 2010, 6:50 a.m. CST
went to all celebrity shows like all reality/game shows do when they lose their audience. The reason it's failing now is the reason it's ratings were declining then - no one is interested.
Oct. 4, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST
Drinking Made Easy on HDNet, kind of a domestic version of Three Sheets. Slainte! http://www.hd.net/drinkingmadeeasy.html
Oct. 4, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST
by Jack Burton
Sucks about Terriers. That show is damn good and this week's episode was excellent. Like I've said before, FX needs to ditch the movie a night bullshit and pair 2 dramas together. Put Terriers on Tuesday at 9 followed by Sons of Anarchy. That night should be able to compete with the networks. But FOX continues to be run by fucking morons that think the audience for Terriers and Anarchy really want to watch Meet the Spartans.
Oct. 4, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST
The show is awful. I like Will Arnett, but this show is a train wreck. The cast is horrible, the premise is stupid and the writing is bad. It's trying too hard to be Arrested Development. The difference is that Arrested Development had a great cast. Raising Hope is a really funny show. The cast and the writing are what makes the show good. Running Wild is garbage. Sit Down, Shut up and Brother also sucked and were by the same people. Really TV is all about the cast. You can have weak writing if you have a great cast. Give Running Wilde the axe and keep Will Arnett off TV. He's only good in smaller doses, as a supporting character.
Oct. 4, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST
I'm recording this season but haven't watched yet. Does my viewing count?
Oct. 4, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
SGU keeps on flying. I will never understand why Atlantis was cancelled for this cheap a$$ Battlestar Galactica ripoff. Here is hoping it gets axed real soon. As for Fringe at least that show is trying to re-invent itself this season.
Oct. 4, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST
if i understood what they meant. A little explanation for those of us who aren't TV network / ad revenue savvy might be helpful
Oct. 4, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST
Outlaw, as much as I liked Jimmy Smits in West Wing, is boring as hell. Didn't care about a single character or their daddy issues. <p>Good Guys has potential. It wasn't amazing or anything (and I've only watched the pilot) but I can really see the show going places if they give them time (doesn't sound like they will, though).
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
No, that I Want To Believe movie from 2008 was warmed-over X-Files.
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST
that HAWAII 5-0 is at the top. I don't contest that. But I do think it gets a lot of help by having the same name as the popular tv series 30+ years ago. <P> You can't tell me 2010 H 5-0 would be getting these same ratings if it was called "Aloha Vice"
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST
It will keep going and hopefully get a full 4th season. <P> If it needs to end this season, make it a great ending. If not, then I won't complain. I've had a great time watching it.
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:18 p.m. CST
..thst was co created by Bobby the Orci? Yeah, it's small wonder why it's on the chopping block.Cancel this bitch!Hawaii 5.0 will soon follow.<p>I know Undercovers aint gonna last either.show is one of NBC's worst line ups along with outsourced. And ppl thought the Bionic woman remake sucked.
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:30 p.m. CST
Ahahahah Life. <P> I had never seen a jumped the shark moment in a tv until I saw that episode of Life where there is a montage of some girl playing the new Prince Of Persia game and beating it to get the code. All the while there is insperational music and all the adults are getting into the game HAPPY when she wins sad when she dies. I'm sorry I was digging the show up until then, after that I was like.....fuck I gotta stop watching so much TV and stopped watching it.
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST
"... these same ratings if it was called "Aloha Vice"<p>or "Hawaii"<p><br> When I first heard they were doing "L&O: LA", I was hoping it would be set in the 1940s. That could have been great. Get the guys who worked on "Raines" and "Life" and create a period-piece noire cops & lawyers show but with the Law & Order brand recognition.
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST
sounds expensive. L&0:LA set in the 40s sounds like a great premise, but would a major network give it the money to be authentic?
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST
have his first name in lower caps?
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST
Rome, Carnivàle, Dexter, Chuck, House.
Oct. 4, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST
Bionmic Woman didn't felt like a cynic show, unlike the Jar Jar Abrasm's and Bob Orci created Fringe and that other bullshit show which will aslo get the chop. Fringe and Undercovers will get sliced? About fucking time. Both should had never past the pilot. Those and Lost, Alias and Felicity. Fuck 'em all.<br><br>And i'm playing the world's smallest violin in hommage to the fans's sadness of Fringe imminent cancelation. Suck it, dudes! About fucking time! yesteryear was too late already.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2 p.m. CST
I can get amy way around with the english language. How good are you with the portuguese language? I'd like to compare.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2 p.m. CST
I can get my way around with the english language. How good are you with the portuguese language? I'd like to compare.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:02 p.m. CST
It's things like this that brings a bit of sunshine to my life. Oh joy!
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST
If there's a lockout next season, Fox CBS and especially NBC will really be screwed.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST
Never heard of it.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:19 p.m. CST
What was Heroes up to in its last couple of years? $3 million per episode? 5? NBC was willing to pay for that, based on its first season ratings. Mad Men is a period-piece show and I think it costs around $2 - $2.5 million each, so it is possible to do for a not unreasonable amount. Regardless, it's a fantasy as there's no way NBC would have gone with a (barely) "outside of the box" idea.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST
Seeing as how the money might not be the problem, I think the idea is way too "atmospheric" for broadcast audiences these days.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:29 p.m. CST
is the percentage of people in the United States, aged 18 - 49, living in a household that owns a television, who watched that show.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST
The cancellation of Fringe is way overdue and yes, it's about fucking time. Fringe was nothing innovative IMO. Instead, a shameless ripoff of X-Files.As for the fans, well there are far better options than this crap.Never bothered to invest my time in LOST, and glad I didnt since i heard about the "payoff" finale.Smoke Monster my arse.
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST
cops who don't use DNA, cell phones, GPS, or the internet; who can't refer to TMZ or CNN or Lindsey Lohan? Or do you mean the un-PC elements of the period like pre-Miranda tactics, corruption, racism, sexism, and fried foods?
Oct. 4, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST
"Raines" had that and, sadly, audiences had little interest in that show.
Oct. 4, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST
It's pilot script, 'Midland,' created a huge stir among the networks, with a bidding war ensuing. Then they changed the name, cast it completely wrong, made it smaller, and cancelled it after two episodes. Hollywood!
Oct. 4, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST
Maybe I'm alone on that one, I don't know. Maybe I'm just a sucker for slapstick. Too bad I might be in the minority on this one.
Oct. 4, 2010, 4:52 p.m. CST
I mean both of your choices. <P> I think not having the tech would make it interesting, and certainly employing the use of corruption, racism, etc. would make it interesting as well, set in the 40s. <P>
Oct. 4, 2010, 8:34 p.m. CST
Oct. 4, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST
The show is funny as fuck. FOX needs to get off their asses and promote the Show.
Oct. 4, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST
...Only seen a few episodes so far and LOVE IT!!! Too bad Fox has already put it in the Friday death slot. It'll be another T:SCC... a great show dead way before its time! On a related note, why is "Lie To Me" still on?
Oct. 5, 2010, 3 a.m. CST
it cancels promising shows too early (we all know the list) or it takes it's successful shows (Amer Idol, Simpsons, X-files, House, Married with Children, 24) and pushes them way too long they're almost unwatchable. If only they could understand the Goldilocks principle -- 1-2 years too short, 8+ years too long. 5-6 is just right
Oct. 5, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST
Celebrates the cancellation of a show they presumably aren't watching? Why the fuck would you say 'suck it' and take pleasure from someone elses disapointment? Is this what we have come to in 40 years of geek culture? Do you think anyone in America said 'yes! Get that shit off my tv' when Star Trek was originally cancelled. Dickheads the lot of you. If that's all you have to say, you deserve no less. And I never throw trash talk unless there's a bloody good reason. No-one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch. DICK.....HEADS.
Oct. 5, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST
It's not "great scifi" it took a great premise, of superscience terrorism, and threw all its conceptual eggs in the same basket, alternate realities. the alternate reality should be ONE arc for one season at most!! then you can get into other great world shattering things! the only show that teems with imagination is doctor who
Oct. 5, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST
I don't mean just being glad a show you don't watch gets cancelled. I mean crowing about it like these anti Fringe morons. I think my sentiments were clear on that. Your the dickhead mate. I was throwing my ire at the folks making said moronic comments such as 'Fringe fans can suck it'. Like I said, I don't trash talk for no reason unlike many talkbackers.
Oct. 5, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST
Cheers. R Fluff