Oct. 1, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST
Quint. The only one working around here.<p>Disgraceful!
Oct. 1, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST
Starring the dude from Wings.
Oct. 1, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST
Even more so when you consider what happened to them in real life.
Oct. 1, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST
Although I have been to Timberline Lodge, used for the one establishing exterior shot. <p> Yes, he does seem to be the only one working on the web site. Is everyone else recovering from Fantastic Fest?
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST
The Shining could have been even better.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST
But any Kubrick is good Kubrick.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST
What on earth are you talking about anyway? Kubrick oversaw all the editing on his films. THE SHINING is perfect just as it is.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST
They have their own language, you know.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST
I wasn't a huge fan of "Eyes Wide Shut".
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST
While not my favorite, is still a brilliant film imho. But I can understand why others don't feel the same. It's sort of an odd bird, that one.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST
One of the best movies all time for me, and I measure that by how many times vie watched it and never ever tire of it! This is the first pic I wanna save and frame... In a little black frame.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:28 p.m. CST
Is an interpretation of King's novel but the television version w/Rebecca DeMornay was SO faithful that is was good.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST
It might have been Cruise & Kidman. While I appreciated Cruise trying to "branch out" at the time - and drag his ex- wife with him - it just seemed ill-fitting. Stylistically, I'll always dig Kubrick [RIP]
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST
It seemed spectacularly awful to me at the time. Maybe I'll give it another go one of these days.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST
Any only 2 people die in it.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:33 p.m. CST
[Hey, it's the guy from Wings!]but comparing the two to me is like comparing apples with a bunch of different type of apples. Same source but different tastes.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:36 p.m. CST
That close up of his horrified face stays with me the most. Truth. Brillantly lit, too.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST
Still the greatest album of all time.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST
quite 'meta' to me in that he seems to be playing himself unknowingly. A shallow little rich boy that's in way over his head. Like he's all front but there's just no depth to him whatsoever. The trophy wife, always using money to get his way, women (and men) fawning over him constantly without him seeming to notice, and a weird cult kind of shadowing every little detail of his superficially perfect life. It could almost be like a satire on Tom in it's own little warped way. Not making myself very clear but it's fun for me to ponder.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST
and his performance in THE SHINING. Can't remember the source though. That it's "Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson playing Jack Torrance playing Jack Torrance".
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST
I was being ironic about the length of his films. His films are long and overblown and need to be edited...a lot. What I should have said is "imagine if his films were edited at all".
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST
by Moa Kaka
It's been a while since I saw the movie, but didn't the last caretaker kill his girls who were something like 6 and 8, or 8 and 10? At any rate, they weren't the same age? Or is my memory shot?
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST
would be better without Tom Cruise. Cruise has ruined many a film for me.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
There's more dead weight on a Kubrick film then on Rosie O' Donnell. Most are still brilliant, but he refuses to edit. Except for Full Metal Jacket and A Clockwork Orange. Those are as perfect as you can get.
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST
by Stifler's Mom
Wow, just wow. It's scary what the media has done to modern audiences' attention spans. Maybe we should just cut the filler out of a few Beatles' albums while we're at it?
Oct. 1, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST
I thought you were being literal. Do you feel that way about all his films or just particular ones?
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST
Never, ever touch those. Never ever.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST
The Steadicam inventor who did most of the Steadicam camera work in the film is masterful. Such an amazing film and arguably Kubricks best.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST
If Kubrick's films need editing then it's as I've always feared, Idiocracy is indeed a work of non-fiction.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST
Looking around I found this: "Neither girl apparently made another film or even appeared onscreen again except in a VH-1 'Where are They Now?' episode devoted to kids who appeared in horror films.<p>Instead, both girls went the academic route. Lisa Burns has a degree in Literature, while her sister Louise Burns went on to become a microbiologist."<p>I think little Danny Lloyd ended up a school teacher if I remember correctly. So it sounds like they all did alright to me.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST
Starring Will Smiff. "Oh no you didn't HAL!!!!" Flames on Discovery! Pods supplied by GM. Product placement all over the Monolith. Splosions!!!
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST
Not my favorite Kubrick, but a great movie anyway.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST
Those two creepy ass girls. DAMN.<BR><BR>CHOPPAH--even CHOPPAH--was skeert of dem little bitches.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
looks like Romanski.hihihi.
Oct. 1, 2010, 8:59 p.m. CST
...that you find 11 year old twins hot? Might want to keep that sort of thing to yourself.
Oct. 1, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST
<p>I love the Shining.its one of my fav horror films ever and definitely my most fav Kubrick movie.its up there with Alien and the Thing,the Exorcist,etc. <p>i love the movie's atmosphere of isolation and the metaphysical vibe it posses,all wrapped in mystery.I love how Jack gradually becomes crazy and how reality is mixed with fantasy.I fucking love the ending with the photo and the open,free to interpretation meaning it has. <p>They simply dont make them like that anymore.. :(
Oct. 1, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST
<p>While it's cool that Wendy Carlos did the music for The Shining (though nothing she's done in my view can top Tron) I fail to see the point of throwing 'Walter' in there.</p> <p>She's accepted who she is, so I don't quite see the point of your reference, especially since it was unsolicited.<.p>
Oct. 1, 2010, 9:37 p.m. CST
played in the Overlook Hotel.it also has a level played in Crystal Lake and a lot of other horror pop references like the Crown,Se7en,etc.damn,i fucking loved that game.
Oct. 1, 2010, 9:53 p.m. CST
That's why King hates it; it's infinitely better than the source material.
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:24 p.m. CST
the best BTS photo I've seen on this site. Thank you.
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST
Come back tomorrow for Kevin Smith's slightly smaller bald spot.
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST
Honestly? And you know this, why? Who the fuck are you to even PONDER such a thing and say it in such a way as though you're an authority and and can safely say 'if only Kubrick, one of the grand masters of cinema, had listened to someone like me and done 'more editing' to his films, they'd be better? What would 'more editing' do to his films, pray tell? Because you can do a shit load of editing to a film and keep it the same length, you are aware of that, correct? Of course, you probably mean they should be shorter... ok, what? Sorry, I'll take the measured and DELIBERATE pacing over zero pacing, which is what most movies today suffer from.
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST
by Ronald Raygun
Orange carpet and wood paneling. Oooooooh, SCARY!
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST
literally-- it's sick, it's visceral-- those girls scared the shit out of me when I was 12 when I saw it the first time. Still does, when Danny is convulsing over his visions, holy mother fucking shit, and his mouth open silent scream-- fuck!!!!! that film was a masterpiece-- yes the book was a King masterpiece too. What a film !!!! and Jack, oh Jack in her heyday, you were the shit !
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:45 p.m. CST
by Ronald Raygun
Oct. 1, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST
Oct. 1, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST
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Oct. 1, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST
They r the girls who got axed-- and I don't mean a question !!!!!!!
Oct. 1, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST
They r the girls who got axed-- and I don't mean a question !!!!!!!
Oct. 2, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST
Almost shat myself. Huge Kubrick and King worshiper, I prefer Kubrick's film over King's book. King wrote a decent haunted house flick but Kubrick had a fucking vision...
Oct. 2, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST
by Anything But Tangerines
A nigger cook.
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST
You racist fuck. No excuses. Find a good IP disguiser cause your ass is toast.
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST
by Anything But Tangerines
ITS A FUCKING QUOTE FROM THE MOVIE
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST
by Anything But Tangerines
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:42 a.m. CST
= best/worst masturbation session I've ever had.<p> EVER.
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:50 a.m. CST
Too bad Kubrick isn't still around so you could point out to him where he was going wrong.
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST
Link also shows Danny Lloyd, the kid who played Danny. http://www.dareland.com/kubrick.htm
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST
...come and play though :-(
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST
That's what Will Smith would have said in a 2001 remake.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST
Let's see Nolan tackle horror at anywhere near this level. Seriously. That would be great.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:39 a.m. CST
I loved the Shining, although I never really understood what the hell was going on.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:43 a.m. CST
Would you use say that line in public? Even in the context of the movie? I have a problem with ANYONE using that word. I dare you to say the line in public and say, "what? It's from The Shining!"
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:49 a.m. CST
On the paper, it would read like so many other horror movies. But the Kubrick touch elevated it to something special, mystical and mythical. THESHINNING is one of the movies that turned me into an hardcore movie fan. and a Kubrick fan. I remember then first time i saw it, and how my mind was blown. Wow! What a movie.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:55 a.m. CST
by Wyndam Earle
gettin whacked in tha gut by that axe....brutal..
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST
What i love about the cook's death is that it's so unexpected. In that, we have all this sceens of him in his home, then he has the shining, then he tries to contact the hotel, then he flies and drives there, and with such long screentime devoted to his travel ther,e the normal suposition is that with such investment in the character, he has to play some heroic part in the tale. And after all that, he just gets axed in the chest and quickly dies and leaves the story. Not every filmmaker would pull such a stunt. Kubrick and his writing partner in Shining made a masterpiece of misdirection.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST
by Anything But Tangerines
I guess you really liked that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror with groundskeeper Willie.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:41 a.m. CST
... and a favorites list, too. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this, but it would be great if I could edit the talkbacks to appear on my browser how I'd like. It's quickly approaching 2011; there's no reason AICN can't have this functionality.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:55 a.m. CST
I believe that the version of The Shining available in the UK is about 20 minutes shorter than the US version. So I guess that is an 'edited' version. It annoys me that the longer cut still isn't available over here (I think).
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST
He was a rare genius. Practically never superfluous.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST
Seeing this on a sleepover scared the shit outta me. Ya think your pal's awake and watching it with you but no the MF is cutting zzzzs and leaving you to stew in Kubrick madness. Mind fuck!!
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST
Eyes Wide Shut is one of those films that might confuse some....but for others it might make complete sense. For me, I knew a girl like Alice (Nicole Kidman)...a girl who you can't trust and you wonder what skeltons she has in her closet. Tom Cruise's character is out for revenge...he feels slighted. He wants payback for her confession. He feels like if he's got a dark secret he can live with her and whatever things she has done. It's the kind of thing Kurosawa would have written had he not had a boner for Samurai. Anyway, as Cruise goes on his cheating adventure he gets cold feet and just doesn't have the balls to do it, regardless of how much of a "player" he thinks he is. God damn what a phenomenal film...if you understand it.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:32 a.m. CST
I first saw the Shining when I was a kid...around 10 just like smudgewhat - and yes, it fucked me up bad. Anyway, when the cook is walking down the hall I was scared shitless and was hiding my eyes...so I didnt see what exactly happened. But I saw him laying on the ground. When you see him there, it actually looks like his arm is gone because his arm is straight out and I think he's wearing a red glove (so it looks like a bloody stump). Check it out...I thought for years that he cut the cook's arm off.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST
I think that's why they were so creepy...those huge billboard foreheads freak me out.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:42 a.m. CST
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST
Watching The Shining in the corner of the screen when I clicked on this... it was on the exact scene. Think I just peed a little...
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:43 a.m. CST
by L. Ron Bumquist
I think the Kube took no small amount of pleasure from performing a living autopsy on Cruise and Kidman's marriage. Just one more take please guys.
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:44 a.m. CST
by L. Ron Bumquist
because saying Bladerunner just sounds to obvious and geeky :)
Oct. 2, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST
..But Jack chopped him in two after he came all that way..
Oct. 2, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST
cause it's about 1000% than the POS he wrote.
Oct. 2, 2010, 8:48 a.m. CST
Go crazy? <p> DON'T MIND IF I DO!!!
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST
Kubrick's selection of Cruise/Kidman 100% intentional. He wants the semi-clueless semi-talented Cruise for a role that emphasizes the same traits. And he wants a much smarter sharper sexier Kidman in the role she fits. And for Kidman to get naked for him. I cannot deny her glorious behind. And I think she is talented actor. Kubrick did same thing (as Cruise) on 'Barry Lyndon' in picking Ryan O'Neal.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST
wow, that's a lot of percent - Of what, I have not a fucking clue. I guess reading really isn't one of your strong suites.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST
by Jim Bolo
Also, Giblets: "I guess reading really isn't one of your strong suites." Haha.
Oct. 2, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST
There's a CD you can buy containing the ton of music Carlos did for the film - but Kubrick being Kubrick, he chucked most of it out at the last minute and used other composers... especially Krzysztof Penderecki (most of the very strange orchestral music (with the "bouncing" xylophones and rattles etc); Gyorgy Ligeti (same chap from 2001, this piece called Lontano I think); and Bella Bartok of course (I *think* Bartok is playing during most of the images showing the twins).<P> I'm sure it doesn't matter much, but being a huge Kubrick fan and film music buff, it matters to me:-) Thanks for the picture BTW.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST
Actually, i never saw that episode.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST
isn't public. This is movie world. If it's a line from the movie-especially if it's the movie we're talking about- then it's in. If I were to say some Nazi lines from shindler's list it's the same deal.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST
Had recorded it off the TV, and watched that recording several times. I knew it was edited for TV but had no idea how much. In my 20's I rented it and discovered what a scary movie it truly is. <p>So, what was the deal with the dude in the bear suit?<br> http://tinyurl.com/6nyxlh
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:42 a.m. CST
I think the UK shorter edit is a better movie then the USA longer version. There's many stuff in the USA version that's cool and good, but i think the movie is better served with the UK version.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:47 a.m. CST
"King hates THE SHINING cause it's about 1000% than the POS he wrote"<br><br>For once we agree. And while i don't think the book is a POS (the first chapters are actually quite good) the book is derivative like hell, and the "love conquers all/redemption" ending made me want to puke.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:48 a.m. CST
Ever heard of blow jobs?
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST
Kubrick's scores for his movies, or rathe,r his use of contemporeanan music, is what made me interested and like that type of music. Thank you, Mr Kubrick, thank you very much.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST
When I see the word "deranged", Jack Nicholson's face pops in my head...but I like the book's ending better.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:50 a.m. CST
1000% is the same as ten times over. Do the maths and check it out.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST
You can view it superficially and it's a great horror movie. But if you go a bit more meta, and you see that the movie is also a sort of statment about horror, and the way horror movies are made. One of the fantastic thing about Shining is how little to no use of shadoews it does. The Shining has to be the most over-lit horror movie i ever seen in my whole life. Also, the movie achieves a claustrophibic not because it's set in thigh narrow spaces but the exact oposite, the movie is set in big open spaces, both exterior and interior. Notice how vast and big the hotel rooms where most ofthe bad stuff happens. The only real tiny space is the Torrence's caretaker apartment, specially the bathroom. But otherwise, all spaces are big. The kitchen is huge, the colorado room is huge, the corridors are long, even the guest rooms are pretty big compared to most hotel rooms. Shining achieves clasutrophobia not so much because it puts people in thigh spaces but because it puts them in huge spaces, dwarfing them. Actually, maybe i should re-acess what i said before, but Shining achieves scares through induced agoraphobia and vertigo from how big the spaces where most of the action happens. And the moving steadycam with the wideangle lenses sure helps cause even more of a sense of vertigo. Not your usual horror movie, THE SHINING is.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:04 a.m. CST
notable on blu ray for having the most detailed forehead wrinkles ever captured on film.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:45 a.m. CST
Dude, it wasn't what buddy was doing that has me wondering "what's up with that" but rather what he's wearing. It has always been to me one of the oddest shots in movies. Was it in the book, I can't remember?
Oct. 2, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST
Well, it seems like one of those costume parties that the posh people loved to thrown during the new year's eve in the roaring twenties. I should also mentionthat i love the song used in the ending of SHINING, a 20s song called "Midnight, the Stars and You". I love that song. I always had a soft spot for those 20s and 30s songs. And for some reason, evne though they are either lighthearted or sentimental, they work a treat in horror movies and always cause the willy jeebies in movies and TV shows. Another song of that period used to great creepy effect was "Love Me Or Leave Me" in the TV show CARNIVÀLE.
Oct. 2, 2010, 12:17 p.m. CST
I saw The Shining probably about the same time I saw Star Wars, on a bootlegged Beta tape, I believe. My dad didn't get VHS until like 1985/86 when it was time to call it quits on Beta. When I was a kid, I'd take a Nerf golf club toy and limp around pretending to be Jack. It has always been in my top 5 of all time. Anyway, for a while in the early 2000's or so, an actor friend had me convinced that this movie wouldn't fare well over time because Nicholson's performance is so over-the-top. Because of his constant haranguing, I kind of saw it as a flawed masterpiece because of Nicholson, and my friend would always say, "Imagine if he toned it down and actually played a simmering madman, someone that you could see going crazy, rather than someone who is crazy from the moment you see him?" I tend to still agree with this, but does anyone else feel like this movie, in a subtle way, has picked up a TON of 'One of my faves of all time' plaudits over the last three or four years? Not even the last ten, but like the last three or four. Something similar happened with Goodfellas around the late 90's, where all of a sudden, every wannabe tough guy put the movie on their shoulders and suddenly everyone was talking through lines in the movie, and it was recognized as a classic some ten years later. That was also a movie that I loved since seeing it for the first time with some kind of rudimentary ondemand system in 1991. I kind of sympathize now with those who must have loved Blade Runner all those years and then you see it suddenly pick up all these new lovers of the film, but you had seen what was great about it for a long time before that. I actually wasn't a lover of Blade Runner until the 5 disc hd dvd/bd edition... and that's with having seen a brand new print in 1998 at the Warner Classics traveling film festival! I just didn't like it for whatever reason. But yeah, The Shining seems to be growing in its estimation as a classic, picking up more and more converts who are finally seeing what makes it stand out from all the other horror films. Funny how it takes a while for people to catch on sometimes, isn't it? Alien is another that kind of was loved and regarded as a classic, but I think in the last three or four years, people are going back and seeing just how insanely well made it is.<p>Asi, I think Kubrick literally went into The Shining wanting to do pretty much the opposite of what every other horror film has done, save 'The Exorcist', where I think he picked up some of those 'uncanny' moments, which is how I see the bear costume/bj moment, the twins, and... actually, most of that movie is about uncanny moments that are just odd and off-putting. If only today's horror movies would learn the lessons of The Shining... or never mind The Shining, just start with Halloween and it'll all be good!
Oct. 2, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST
What anti-semetic lines from Schindler's List would you actually post on here that would actually add to the conversation? In context within the movie is fine by me. In public or on a message board is another matter. At least in public you can get called out in person, on a message board you can hide behind your username.
Oct. 2, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST
Tghere's two very subtle uncanny moments in THE SHINING which, though one tends to never notice, subconsiously we do notice and unsettles and helps the sense of uneasy one had while watching the movie. And it has to do with wobndows. On places they shouldn't exist. To wit: If you notice carefully the scene when Jack first enters the Overlook Hotel and goes visit the mannage's office for the job interview, you notice that there's a window to the of the mannager. However, if you notice carefully, Jack entering the hotel and coming to the office is played in one continuous unbroken steadycam, and you can see that due to the corridors geography, there is jsut no way that office could had any wall toward an ouside wall, thus, the window couldn't exist. The second instanc eis the Torrence's own caretaker apartment. again, the geography and the architecture of the hotel make simpossible to exist the two wall windows if the apartment. This are not goofs, this are deliberate aestetic and filmic choices form the filmmakers of SHINING. All to add subtle elements to uneasy the audiences. We might not directly notice the, but in the back of our heads we are saying "something is wrong". which helps the element of horror of the movie.
Oct. 2, 2010, 1 p.m. CST
King thinks you should just transcribe the novel and shoot it. The brilliance of Kubrick's film is that he took what worked so well about the novel, and ADAPTED it to a cinematic form. Novelistic language and cinematic language are two separate things and have their separate strengths and weaknesses. They both are incredibly strong works in their separate forms, and both achieve the same effect of scaring the shit out of you.
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST
Oct. 2, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST
Very well said. There is a thoughfulness to the movie that lacks in King's book. As one critic said, king's problems are the inverse of Kubrick, in that King "feels too much but thinks too little". The book proves that brillantly. And really, if i have to chose, i side with the thoughful Kubrick any day of the week over King's corny sentimentality. The movie SHINING is one of those rare cases of the movie beign better then the book it's adapted from.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST
and so is King's book. Anyone who would call King's work a POS clearly doesn't know much about the craft of writing. The Shining is one of the best novels from one of the greatest writers of the Twentieth century. King is not "corny and sentimental", he just has an unbelievable gift for creating and developing realistic characters that readers actually care about. Although I do like the more faithful mini-series, I don't feel an adaptation needs to be a step by step re-creation and Kubrick's movie proves that.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST
Eyes Wide Shut is an excellent film.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST
by Vlad the Inhaler
The first time I saw THE SHINING, on a big-ass 60 foot movie screen, I was actually praying "please God, don't let Danny turn the corner and see those girls again. Okay, please?" I was a grown-up 23-year-old, and this movie reduced me to a frightened child. An awesome achievement.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST
that makes sense - a depiction of excesses and depravity through the suggestion of bestiality. Congress with the beast, so to speak.<p>The song is scary the same way the girls (putting aside the shots of them being hacked up) are scary: little girls, like cheerful songs, are not supposed to be frightening. But in the right context, can be the creepiest thing ever.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST
Eyes Wide Shut is an excellent film indeed. I'm glad that you among man others, that movie is getting the recognition and love it deserves. I'll never understand why for so many people Kubrick's movies take so long to be appreciated. For me, they are instant love, with the single exception of 2001, but then again, i was 15 when i first saw it, and at 15 we are all just stupid teens who just don't know any better. One year later, i knew better.<br><br>I think King's book The Shining starts very well. It has a great start. And the premise is a killer. But the book becames lesser and becames increasingly more and more conventional as it goes, until it becames just another one of those irritating "love conquers all" nonsense that plagues the genre. The ending of the book irritated me beyond belief. The book even has a "blow shit up" ending. Explosions ends ghost threat. Michael Bay would be proud. Comparing and contrasting to what Kubrick did with hsi movie, in which he showed more restrain and a better understandign on how to play out a horror story like Shining, and yes, i do not exitate to say the movie far surpasses the book. I'm not going to say thye book is shitty because of it's great strong begining. But the book is so little of what it could had been. And Kubrick movie is just that, what Shining could had been and became. King might had started it all up, but Kubrick perfected it.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST
"little girls, like cheerful songs, are not supposed to be frightening. But in the right context, can be the creepiest thing ever"<br><br>Indeed. Too often i have seen movies and Tv shows showing those cherubic little girls and happy cheerful old songs being used to cause scares, and they always work. Why is that?
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:41 p.m. CST
The most fascinating thing about those two creepy girls is that there is nothing in the cinematogrpahy that actually make sthem scary. They are not shot using some clever light and shadows trickery. It's just this two very composed girls just being ther,e shot in an over-lit type of cinematogrpahy. I do think part of the treason could be the use of music that Kubrick used. The man was a master in chosing already existing orquestral compositions from composers like Penderecki, Bela Bartok and Ligeti and making weird and upsetting screen imagery.<br><br>I never saw The Shining in the big screen, but i saw it for the first time in VHS in the mid/late 80s at the house of a friend. We were a bunch of teens watching the movie on a small TV in a summer afternoon (and in Portugal, summers are extremely sunny) and yet the movie scared the bejesus out of us, specially those two twin girls. Think about it.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST
I will agree that a lot of King's books tend to lose steam towards the end, but I really don't think The Shining is one of them. For people asking about the man in the bear suit: it is from the book, they are ghosts of people from a big costume party held at the hotel in the past.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST
The man made movies which i just can't believe they could be made like that, and that good. And he didn't even need huge ass budgets to deliver striking amazing screen images, CLOWORK ORANGE was deliberatly made on a small budget, even for the standards of the time, a nd yet it's still one of the most stunning movie ever made, a fact made even more amazing because it was shot in the ugliest parts of England.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST
I found the "family uber alles" moralizing at the end of the book downright irritating and insulting. And it clashed terribly with what went before. The solution that Kubrick and his writing partner found for the story feels far more truthful and organic to the story told.<br><br>As for the party, it's correct, ti's taken form the book. It's anotehr thing about this horro movies, why is it that whenever an horror mvoie shows stuff and happenings from the 20s, they automatically look creppy and scary? I mean, that was a decade of posh and elegance, and yet, it creates creppy and scary imagery. I wonder why.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:50 p.m. CST
Kubrick is definitely one of the all time masters of cinema. It's unbelievable how many people I know that are really into film that just didn't get Eyes Wide Shut. I thought it was great the first time I saw it back in the theater. I think a lot of it stems from people that just don't care for Tom Cruise, which I personally don't understand. Despite what you may think of him personally, there's no denying the man is an extremely talented actor.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST
The book as a scene where moving topiary figures seem to come to Danny and attack him. But when the movie was mad,e there was no SFx technology that could show that in any convincing and naturalistic way, so Kubrick canned that and replaced with the maze. And frankly, i'm very happy for that. The maze became an incredible visual metaphor later in the movie, and such an important plot element when Danny is runing from his father. It also helped greate a great ending for Jack Torrence. So, the technical limitations of the technology of the time helped made the movie better. I wonder is so many movies today are not too good because of that very fact. CGI has been too often the saving raft of untalented hacks to deliever spectacle which they could never pull off otherwise.
Oct. 2, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST
are extremely creepy just because of the fact that it is never fully explained in the movie what they are all about. I saw the movie before i read the book and always wondered what the hell that was all about. Really freaky in the film. The only problem I have always had with the movie is that Nicholson's character seems crazy from the outset, rather than going increasingly more and more mad throughout the movie. Only a minor grievance with a truly classic film.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3 p.m. CST
That reminds me of my favorite Stanley Kubrick anecdote which I think I've already told on AICN.<br /><br />Jerry Lewis was editing one of his movies and Stanley Kubrick was editing one of his in the room next door. Lewis finished his movie, released it, went off and shot another movie, and came back to edit it. And Kubrick was still editing his movie in the room next door.<br /><br /> Jerry Lewis said "You know Stanley, you can't polish a turd."<br /><br />Kubrick thought for a minute and replied: "You can if you freeze it."
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST
Tom Cruise CAN be a talented actor... when he bothers to. Which is not too often.<br><br>As for EYES WIDE SHUT, i guess many people migth have resented the fact that the movie follows a very drama logic, so to speak. The whole movie is constructed and presented as if it's a waken dream, as if the protagonist is going by the motions on events that he barely understands what the logic and mechanics behind it. He is a passanger throughout the whole movie, after the confession scene. It is, by far, Cruise's most unique role he ever played. Also his most passive role ever. And mean, Cruise basically plays variations of his TOP GUN persona, always the charismatic asshole that's super excelent at something that he has a natural gift for. always that. And yet in EYES WIDE SHUT, it is the only time in his career he actually plays a normal human being as normal woman being s are who live regular lives. There's nothing of the Top Gun persona in his character in EYES WIDE SHUT. And for that, i'm very thankful.<br><br>Well, for me there was never a problem as embracing EYES WIDE SHUT as the great movie it is because i never saw it as a Tom Cruise movie. I always saw it, and i always see it, as a Stanley Kubrick movie. Tom who?
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST
And that's not because I'm a King fan, far from it. Hell, Kubricks script is light years better than the book and the movie is full of stunning imagery, but still, the movie just doesn't click with me. And the funny thing is, my mother actually said she liked the movie and she isn't even a horror fan.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST
Of cours,e this is an old compalin about the movie. One that Spielberg himself had when he saw Kubrick shooting the film and watching the first rough cuts. As you must know, after Kubrick shot SHINING, the next production scheduled in the same soundstage was RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. The Colorado Room set was shot in the same soundstage where the scene of the Well of Souls was shot for Raiders.<br><br>So, over diner, Spielberg comented about how over the top Nicholson's performance was. And Kubrick asked Spielberg to name 3 actors he admired, and Spielberg replied Steve McQueen, James Stewart, Spencer Tracy. And Kubricm replied "but you didn't mention James Cagney". Spielberg said that with Kubrick's words he imediatly understood what was Kubrick's intentions all along. It also shut up Spielberg about his complains about Nicholson's acting.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST
I beleive one day you will click with Shining. You remind me of me with 2001 back in my teen years. And that movie went from one i didn't connected with what is now one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time. You know what i mean?
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST
Now that we can see it as one of MANY Kubrick movies, instead of the FINAL Kubrick movie we'd been waiting TWELVE years for.<br /><br />Cruise and Kidman aren't idiots. They knew the film would be subverting their public personas when they signed on. And Cruise has continued with that subversion in his acting choices. Would he have done MAGNOLIA or TROPIC THUNDER pre Kubrick?
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST
So you think the reason people at first were cold toward EYES WIDE SHUT was due to the long wait for a new Kubrick movie? You could be into something.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST
"... to deliever spectacle"<p>One of the things I hated about the Star Wars Special Editions and the prequels: every inch of every frame needs to be filled with something doing something. Luke & co. arriving in Mos Eisley to a mostly desolate and empty town only adds to the premise that Tatooine is the armpit of the galaxy. Even at the area's equivalent of "downtown" is relatively deserted (except the bar, which is packed), and there's nothing "going on". But, no, Lucas decided it didn't seem realistic as it wasn't bustling enough and made it "busy", complete with site-gags.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST
See, THIS is the Asimov Lives that I enjoy reading on AICN. When you are talking about a movie that you've thought deeply about and have done some research on, it's much more enlightening than when you really HATE what's being discussed. Good stuff my friend.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST
You also have to figure in the adverse effect of Cruise and Kidman being the hot tabloid couple that critics and audience members are projecting on at the time. Ten years later it's just another movie in each of their resumes that future generations can pull out and enjoy AS a movie.<br /><br />That always happens. The audience/critical responses to GIGLI and MR. AND MRS. SMITH were also more about how we felt about Affleck & Lopez or Pitt & Jolie at the time than the movies themselves.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST
Apologies for omissions.<p>D.Vader<br>RPLocke<br>TakingScorpioCalls<br>Six Demon Bag<br>Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes<br>ChocolateJesusMan<br>Daniel2010<br>Turd_rises_from_the_grave (resurrected)<br>Gabriel_Gr@y<br>nomoredirtyjokespleasewereyanks<br>yourSTEPdaddy<br>MacReady452<br>James_Joyce<p>Fallen to the forces of oppression
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST
I see. you could be right, specially about the high profile pairing of a movei star couple. I don't think that a couple onscreen is inherently a bad thing per se, but maybe what you are saying is that when those couples are so well known and media exarcebated, people uses the movies as their way to do a backlash. I can't say for GIGLI because i never saw it, but it's a pity that people decide to show their tireness about the Cruise-Kidman couple by moving away from a veritable great movie like EYES WIDE SHUT.<br><br>And man, i always research about the movies i talk about. Always. Even those,a nd specially those i dislike. Like you know what. In this regard i'm pretty monolithic, the same things you praised about me also informs those that upset you about me. I came in full package, if you know what i mean.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST
Are you starting the revolution? It always start with pamphlets. Next, you are reading Karl Marx's THE CAPITAL. Frankly, the way the world is today, i miss the old communist parties, ast least those who existed in democractic western democracies like in Europe. Their slogans were lots of corny fun! You guys in America don't know the fun you have missed.
Oct. 2, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST
If you've been away a few days, you've already missed the start of this revolution.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4 p.m. CST
but having watched The Shining recently, it fell completely flat, which is not uncommon for a horror film to do the older I get and the more familiar they become. I watched AWIL again recently and much of it just struck me as plain poor. Such is the way of it. I became aware of a steadily mounting disinterest in The Shining during my last viewing of it. <p>Now Eyes Wide Shut...that's a mesmerizing, fascinating film. I think it is on par with most of Kubrick's work -definitely in its technical aspects- and easily one of the more fascinating, second only to A Clockwork Orange in my eyes</p>
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
is what I meant to type.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST
I have been on-and-off, thanks to work, catching up wiht film classics, and Civilization V. Lastest film classics i seen was John Frankenheimer's THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE and also his other movie called SECONDS. The first is well know, but the second is just amazing, truly amazing.
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:20 p.m. CST
by Thunderbolt Ross
I don't know what he said, but the movie is better than the book so he ought to just shut his monkey face
Oct. 2, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST
Jesus..all those guys are gone? Fuck this web-site.
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST
they went and actually followed through, however haphazardly, with translating their TB nuttiness into a separate website. I think if it wasn't such an in-joke with the names and everything, it could have morphed into a true alternative... it may yet do that, who knows? But if there is such a revolution afoot, what good is it without another website? Personally, I don't think ANY movie news site leverages video and creating their own branded content as well as they could. Also, I think the Cinematic Shrimp idea here was brilliant but, of course, lacked follow-through. There's quite a few things that could be combined into an even more addictive movie news website than this one... but where are the people who will do this? And a gawker-like site (wouldn't that be io9?) is never good enough, in my eyes. Something about those sites always feels like certain stories are the well-connected little dipshits who write for the site pimping their friends films... oh... wait...
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST
Thanks for pointing that out about 'The Shining' and the hotel geography regarding impossible windows! That's why movies like this are what cinema is about... you can see them a hundred times and still others will point out things you've never noticed and you get to go back and take in some new things. And with Kubrick, as much thought as you think he's put into the film... there's always WAY more than you had imagined. The man literally 'deep thought' the entirety of his films, considering every single thing from every conceivable angle while always still allowing little surprises and moments of inspiration to work their way in.
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST
Not even joking that post just posted itself. While I was about to write something.
Oct. 2, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST
This movie is one of the most gripping and compelling movies for me. And such an original mood. Just great.
Oct. 2, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST
DAMN! Was it that 1000 post thing he did? Orcus did not get around to reading it. This culling is insane.
Oct. 2, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST
First off, I love Kubrick, think he is one of the greatest....but you know what those of you who talk about how brave and risky it was to kill off the Scatman after investing so much time in the character are missing something...after the "shinning explanation" Scatmans character serves only one purpose...to deliver the snow cat to the hotel.After that, after that he was not needed to finish the story and Kubrick decided to just get rid of him. The cook became a plot device and not much more. Still it shocked my little mind when he bite it. Also, someone mentioned that this movie has many layers...one of those layers is about the obsessive and generally destructive nature of art on the artists life and the artists personal relations to others. The essentially selfish nature of pursuing art as ones life's work.The slightly pretentious nature of the last sentence is intended.
Oct. 2, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST
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Oct. 3, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST
Asimov Lives wrote: <p> "I think King's book THE SHINING starts very well. It has a great start. And the premise is a killer. But the book [becomes less effective] and becomes increasingly more and more conventional as it goes, until it becomes just another one of those irritating "love conquers all" nonsense that plagues the genre. The ending of the book irritated me beyond belief; it even has a "blow shit up" ending. Explosions ends ghost threat." <p> If I recall, King mentioned when interviewed about THE SHINING stated that he was trying to recreate the feeling he had when watching JAWS and wanted to emulate its story structure (especially the explosive time-ticking climax). So maybe the reason the book lets you down as you read it is because it starts as a critique of himself as an alcoholic father (who could turn into a Scrooge-like isolationistic monster in his fervor to write successful horror novels) into an action vehicle product (which by that time, King had one novel turned into a very successful film; CARRIE. Thus, THE SHINING was a deliberate attempt at writing in essence a book-version screenplay of what he would want a Stephen King film to be like). <p> Here is another great site with some very inciteful Kubrick observations: <p> http://www.collativelearning.com/the%20shining.html
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:09 a.m. CST
You, that means that Kubrick stole The Shining from Jaws' jaws? Interesting. Well, since you mentioned, there is some structure similiaritudes between Shining (book) and Jaws, but they went a bit missed on me because, well, it's actually a very comon narrative structure. It's so common that, if not done bty a brillant storyteller or filmmaker, it is just another invite to cliché-ville. I mean, i lost count of how many movies which have good premises and good starts and they devolve into irritating brain-numbing dumb "been-there-done-that-a-thousand-times-before" cliches movies/books.<br><br>I think my biggest point about Shining the book is that the story doesn't really folow through the whole implications of it's own premise. Something the movie does. It's usually the other way around. This is why Kubrick's THE SHINING is so unusual as a movie. It's also why we call it Kubrick's THE SHINING.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST
You must know this story about the making of Shining in how Stephen King once received a phone call form Kubrick in the middle of the night. King answered, and on the other side ofthe like Kubrick asked if he believed in god. King said yes he did, and Kubrick thanked and hang up.<br><br>Funny as this story is, it's also a window and a grat insight to the movie itself. Others have pointed out that THE SHINING is a ghjost story as told by an atheist. And that's true. Kubrick was an atheist. King is a believer in God and religion. And both the book and the movie reflects that. King's book is fileld with ghosts who do actual manifestations and are unambigiously there, and there's the theme of the possibility of redemption through sacrifice, to go to hell and back. The movie lacks that. The ghosts could both be said to exist or not. They could exist but just be thoughs projected into the minds of the protagonists, just allucianations, more like enablers then drivers of the events. Adnthere 's an inevitability to the actions of the characters. In the movie, the characters follow through intheir actions from what's hinted at the begining to actual physical action by the end. In this regard, Kubrick's movie is pretty behaviorist. King approach to the story is spiritual, but Kubrick's psychological.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:28 a.m. CST
Hallorann's character function in the book was to serve as the calvary that saves the day. First, and like in the movie, he serves as the expository vessel so that audiences/readers get a bit of an insight into what is "the shining". But Hallorann in the book becames a very tiring cliché with his fucntion of saving cavalry at the last minute. In the movie, it's subverted brillantly by, after all his efforts (flying half a continent, driving for hours on car and snowcat during a snow blizzard), he is kickly killed off in seconds. There's not even a fight! One should also notice that him, the other proeminent male adult in the story ends up not being an obstacle at all to Torrence. The only ones who end up being a physical obstacle to torrence and who evne inflic on him some serious injuries are his much weaker wife and his 6 years old kid. Again, another subvertion to the usual horror play-out. People now are used to see a final girl kill the much more physical imposing teen killer maniac. But Shining was made at a time when the slashers were starting. In many ways, THE SHINING is itself a slahser movie. An infinitly sophisticated, extremely smart, artistically and technicaly extremaly well made slasher movie. It's a haunted house horror, a psychological horror, and even a slasher horror. The movie got it all.
Oct. 3, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST
But damn if that typo doesn't give an added meaning to the post!
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST
in the movie.The scene when Jack is locked in the refrigerator room,then the ghost-butler talks to him from the other side of the locked door and finally after Jack agrees to be meaner,the ghost unlocks the door.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST
"One of the fantastic thing about Shining is how little to no use of shadoews it does."
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST
I knew you would say that. I think Kubrick made that deliberatly and on porpose to be a head-scratcher. It's the scene that prevents the notion that the ghots in the hotel are only figments of the imagination of a bunch of cabin-fever sufferers. I's why we are still throwing theories about the subject 30 years later.<br><br>I'm also an atheist, but i have no problem in dealing with real ghosts in THE SHINING. You could say that THE SHINING is an atheist ghost horror movie in that there's ghosts but no God.
Oct. 3, 2010, 5:19 a.m. CST
Other then the typos, what part of it you didn't understand? THE SHINING uses very little shadows in it's telling of the tale and to scare people. Even the night scenes are overlit, and not just interior but exteriors as well. There's others that do that as well, but they are very few.
Oct. 3, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST
the subject of the existence of God? <p>from what i know,the idea of the existence of ghosts is not usually mixed up with the existence of God unless the religious ideas of Hell/Paradise is introduced in the concept of afterlife.Even the big christian religions hold a rather neutral official position in the matter of ghosts. <p>In the Shining i dont remember any mention of God,Hell or Paradise which were used in connection with the ghosts,so how exactly does atheism fit in the movie? <p> unless the argument is that the lack of a reference to God or Hell/Paradise is proof that the movie tries to separate the ideas of God/ghost,as an atheist would do.i dont disagree with that if thats the case. <p>But then again on the other hand,you could say that this lack of reference makes the movie a pure ghost/psychological horror film rather than a look on religious belief.
Oct. 3, 2010, 8:27 a.m. CST
Your's is a very good question. Well, thing is, i didn't brough this subject myself. Remmeber the story i told you about Kubrick asking King if he believed in god? You cna tell that it's an important element to the background of the movie, to it's philosophical approach to the supernatural, if you will.<br><br>The belief in god has been pretty much a taken for granted thing in most horror movies. Notice how many movies use christian iconography to represent the god side of the supernatural agaisnt the evil? The evil is always demonic. The good is always angelic and christian-like. Notice that even in the Nightmare On elm Street, classic christian iconography serves as protectord agaisnt Freddy, like as the lullaby sings "five, six, grab your cruxifix". It's not coincidental.<br><br>The Shining book itself hints many times to the religiosity of Jack Torrence, or rather, his lapsed religiosity. His last act of redemption and contrition is religious in mature, totally in tune with christian theology of salvation though sacrifice. And it's no mere coincidence either. As king was once an alchoolic, many of the anti-alchoolism programs from the 70s and 80s were chruch-sponsored, and they had a very strong prolytisign nature. People here made to leave the boose by regaining their inner christ. Liek King, as true with George W Bush and many of the recovered alchoolics of the 70s and 80s. So, in many ways, you cna read the book as a metaphor for alchoolic recovery through religion.<br><br>Kubrick's mvoie eskews all of the religious and christian elements form the book. Now, the ghosts aren't simply demons on Earth. They are... cyphers. We know they want Danny in some way. We know they use the more mentally unstable person of the family, Jack, due to his alchoolism past. We are never sure if the ghosts want Jack himself or use him as a vessel to get Danny. Both interpretatiosn are valid. But we know ther eis no over good imagery to counter-act on the ghosts. there's no christian morality to counter-act the ghosts. There's no atempts at redemption. There's no atempts at salvation. The mother protectignthe child is as old an instinct behavior that predates even religion itself. So, besides, the ghots, there is no other supernatural enforced moralism at play in the movie. The movie is atheistic. The good there is in the mvoie is the selfless acts of a mother to save his child or a stranger who wants to save a litle kid and a inocent wife from murder. There's no need of religion for those acts.
Oct. 3, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 8:44 a.m. CST
THE SHINING makes no judgment on the existence of God or not. It's left for the audience to decide. You brought that baggage into the movie with you Asi. And yes, I'm aware of Kubrick's infamous late night phone-call to King.
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:05 a.m. CST
I didn't said the movie make statements about the existence or non-existenc eof god. No it doesn't of course. But it's quite evident that Kubrick felt important to know if King believed in god, because he must have though it informed the way he wrote the story. Also, Kubrick's atheism does inform the way he presented his version in film form. This is not baggage, it's just seeign the backstage stuff that went into the making of the movie. And if you see baggage in me, i could flip the coin and say you are brining your religious baggage with you. As for existencialism, in fac,t,many famous existencialists were ahteists, like Jean-Paul Satre. And it's easy to understand why an atheist would be an existencialist and vice-versa.
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST
I have not stated one way or the other what my feelings or thoughts are concerning the existence of God. You are projecting your beliefs about the matter onto me now. Sure, Kubrick's thoughts on the matter informed the film, but it's not what it is about. That question is left open for the viewer. I am also not saying that existentialism does not have an atheistic slant, only that this film is more existentialist than it is atheistic. In that it is unknowable and ultimately not important whether God exists or not. What humans do in this world is all we have any control over, regardless of God's existence. Kubrick clearly had his opinions on the matter, but in no way does he make that kind of absolutist statement with this film.
Oct. 3, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST
by Thunderbolt Ross
I think it was pretty much recognized as great when it first came out.
Oct. 3, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
Could you explain the Spielburg/James Cagney story please? I like The Shining a lot but on a recent viewing did find myself getting weary of Nicholson's performance.
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST
Here's a link to Spielberg himself telling the story. It'll probably make more sense to you this way. It starts at about 1:30, but the whole thing is great if you're interested in Steven's thoughts on Stanley and his films.<p> http://tinyurl.com/2ffgc3z
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST
by Thunderbolt Ross
It's all about Kubrick. And I think it was the right way to go. It is a man reveling in evil craziness, that's why it's over the top. It's not as if he doesn't know what's happening - he does, and he's embracing it. <p>That's why it's important you get the sense he is already a bit shay when the movie begins, so that when he "turns" it's not necessarily like a possession but more like a seed that was already in him bearing fruit. Which makes it slightly less of a fantastical story and slightly more of a commentary on the darkness inside many if not most people.
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST
I read the book in middle school and it scared the doo doo out of me. I saw the movie a few years later and thought it sucked compared to the book. Its hard for me to judge the movie as a stand alone because all I can think about is how much less scary it was than the book.<p>If anyone really loves this movie and wants to extol its virtues, I'd love to read it, then keep it in mind when I re-watch the movie one day.
Oct. 3, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST
Oct. 3, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST
Is perfect in my opinion. It elevates the movie from working in a more typical way, and also further supports the eternal role vibe since there is not a descent into insanity, but rather a call to action as if his true personality is being set free. He was always the caretaker, he was always crazy.
Oct. 3, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST
It's not that I'm a teen, hell I'm 30 and I've seen The Shining at least 3 times. The movie just doesn't click with me. And I fell in love with 2001 when I was under 10. It really hypnotized me and is one of the earliest movie memories I have.
Oct. 3, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST
Look her up and find out where Kubric got his visual aesthetic for the twins!
Oct. 4, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST
Being that this is the year 2010, and most sites with forums (like bluray.com and originaltrilogy.com) have EDIT features, could you please add an edit feature so posters can spellcheck, spell correct and modify posts (especially if said post is considered offensive, and can thus change it as opposed to getting banned off the site)?
Oct. 19, 2010, 10 p.m. CST
...WAS awesome. I too was checking out some classics, and stumbled upon this gem! With Rock Hudson no less! I had forgotten this one - but kind of hard to rewatch when you know the ending: stayed with me for months! (and no, I'm not spoiling it!) All those Michael Bay 'splosionists should dust this one off and watch a real movie with thought and pacing! (and a truly fucked up twist! M. Night - are you listening? ;) )