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That Gauntlet’s For CLOSERS!! Whedon On AVENGERS: ‘I Would Like To Put These Actors in A Room & Just Make GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS!'

I am – Hercules!! So many great quotes from SFX hinting at what Joss Whedon (“Toy Story,” “Speed,” “Buffy The Vampire Slayer,” “Angel,” “Firefly”) has in store for Marvel’s “The Avengers,” which will put Hulk and Iron Man and Nick Fury and Black Widow on screen together with Thor and Hawkeye and Captain America.
What I kind of think ultimately defines Marvel Studios was the first thing they did and that was cast Robert Downey Jr. They said, ‘What if we got great actors and let them have some time to be the people they’re supposed to be instead of going through the paces of hitting this mark and that mark?’ They don’t always get it right, but nobody does. But if you look at who they already had, and who they allowed me to add to the cast, they are thinking about the integrity of the characters. Obviously we have to get from point A to point B, and fans really want to see this – and ideas for set-pieces which I said are great. Now I’m going to make them matter and they are completely on board with the idea.
What I will struggle with, in the outline and throughout, is that I would like to put these actors in a room and just make Glengarry Glen Ross. We’re talking about really exciting people and at the same time I have to keep the momentum of the thing going. I can’t let it turn into a lull fest. Knowing that I have enough time to do both of those things – that by the end of the movie you will feel ‘in’ with these guys – is the trick. It’s not an easy one but one that Marvel absolutely honours. They don’t hire Mark Ruffalo [the new Hulk] to say one iconic line and strike a pose. They hire him because he has so much humanity in him. He’s the antithesis of the iconic actor. He’s so human. He was my first choice to play the part, and the fact he is playing the part is nuts! They went to great lengths to make that happen and they understood exactly why he was right for the part.
I hear that the great Mark Ruffalo is using Serkisy motion capture to do Hulk as well as Banner. Does this mean nobody bothered to offer Bana or Norton the opportunity to play Hulk? Oh! If you’ve been asleep for the last six month and are wondering which actors Whedon is talking about, here’s the rundown: Nick Fury: Samuel L. Jackson ("Pulp Fiction") Captain America: Chris Evans ("Fantastic Four") Thor: Chris Hemsworth ("Star Trek") Hulk: Mark Ruffalo ("Zodiac") Black Widow: Scarlett Johansson ("Ghost World") Hawkeye: Jeremy Renner ("Hurt Locker") Phil Coulson: Clark Gregg ("Iron Man") Iron Man: Robert Downey Jr. ("Sherlock Holmes") And this is really happening? They’re putting the creator of my favorite TV show in charge of the biggest superhero movie ever? Oh my fucking Zeus! P.S. I’d love to see Alyson Hannigan cameo as sexy superscientist Janet Van Dyne. This thing’s supposed to hit cinemas May 4, 2012. Find all of SFX’s story on the matter here.
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  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Can't Wait

    by hidden_shallows

    ...and first!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Clint Barton?

    by ImJustSaying

    Whoa, I guess I'm late to the party but when did they switch out Jeremy Renner? What's the story there? Oh wait... just looked that up. I'm a dumbass. And by dumbass I mean die hard DC fan. On a different note why the fuck is Agent Coulson still around? That guy ruined the Thor reel.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:03 a.m. CST

    i'd be sweating blood if i were in his shoes

    by hegele

    seriously. so much is on the line. I have a feeling if it isn't perfect MARVEL will blame him for everything.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:04 a.m. CST


    by ImJustSaying

    Herc fixed it, my previous comment doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. Wake me up when they make a Linklater style rotoscope Justice League movie.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    It's a real bummer that Norton...

    by Charlie & Tex

    ...isn't going to be in this, as he was great in The Incredible Hulk - far more interesting than Eric Bana in the pretentious Ang Lee snooze-a-thon.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST


    by NippleEffect

    Did he spend 8-12 hrs a day on internet forums?<p> Has he killed the franchise yet?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    sported heels and massive post-pregnancy boobage in the HIMYM premiere. It hurt how hot she was.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    In the case of Bana...

    by Ribbons

    ...Ang Lee actually did the mocap performance for the Hulk himself. I'm not sure what the deal was with Norton, whether they had him or somebody else act the part out, if at all.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Elen Page would be a better Janet Van Dyne

    by NippleEffect

    uber cute super petiete<p> Janet's a tiny woman, even before she shrinks

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Iron Man already has the brass balls....

    by TronBurgundy

    ..Glengarry G. is in my top 5. Someone tell Whedon it's "FUCK OR WALK"

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Renner is too Puny for Clint

    by NippleEffect

    Hawkeye's a big boy, and ripped<p> Should have gotten Jared Padalecki<br> Boy's 5'4" / 5'5" in real good shape<br> Looks like he could pull a 300lb bow all day long

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Will this movie ever happen?

    by RPLocke

    That's a pretty big cast. Can Whedon handle all those egos?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST


    by NippleEffect

    6'4" / 6'5"

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Whedon is either stupid or incredibly brave

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Its an awesome concept, but incredibly hard to execute on. <p> I think accomplished filmmakers would struggle with Avengers, Whedon as a filmmaker is far from accomplished and I really wonder what was going through his mind when he said yes to this. The impression that I get of Whedon (could be wrong) is that it wouldn't be amount money or fame (though would help) but would be about being involved, scratch that, be in charge of something quite amazing. <p> I again want to know how much he has thought about how difficult it is, maybe he didn't maybe he thought "the worst thing that can happen is that this movie is a complete failure and I will never be given money to make a movie again, but I can still keep making TV and my own smaller projects". <p>

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    "the first thing they did...was cast...Downey Jr."

    by Shermdawg

    They cast Howard first, you silly goose.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I wonder if this will be "Iron Man & The Avengers"

    by bishopfan85

    The way many feel that "X-Men" was really "Wolverine & The X-Men" since everything seemed to center around his character. Obviously (and for good reason) Robert Downey Jr. is the most beloved character of the team (which is shocking when you think about how much more popular several of the other characters are in the funny books). With that being said I think it's impossible for this movie not to meet all expectation. There's just too much passion and too many great talents on both the front end and the back end. I'm not sure I've ever been more excited for a film as a grown adult. I do still hope Justice League comes out down the road and breaks even newer ground.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Alyson Hannigan yes,

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Still getting used to this bullshit keyboard.

    by UltraTron

    Anyway. Alyson Hannigan can play the chick who knows how to swallow spuz like a champ.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:43 a.m. CST

    the main character

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Any in ensemble there is clearly a main character, Mad Men its Don, X-Men movies its Wolverine, the obvious choice for Avengers would be Tony Stark, given the strength of the actor involved, the age and experience of the character. <p> Captain America could be interesting, I think if Thor fails or is not great won't be the end of the world for the Avengers movie, but I think if Chris Evans fails to be convincing as Cap then that will cause some significant aprehension for Avengers. Cap is the man and should be the leader, early on in the Avengers movie will be interesting with Iron Man as self proclaimed leader and the interaction between him and Cap but later on Cap needs to be in charge. Chris Evans needs to pull it out of the park to match it with RDJ. <p>

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:44 a.m. CST

    its a disaster!

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    you and I and I would imagine many others who know Avengers well thinking the same thing about Iron Man and the Avengers.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Serenity was pretty great

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm sure Whedon knows what he's doing. The guy deserves a huget hit at the BO after all the shit he's been through.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Justice League

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    If there isn't a Justice League movie out in the next 5 years I will be even more worried about DC and Warners ability to do anything. <p> Of course there is Supes and Bats, should have already see a Flash and Wonder Woman movie. Add Green Lantern, and then Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter (though am mixed on these two characters, you could cut it to 5 but not much of a league)to the mix and you have your Justice League. <p> No question on who the leader is.... DC/Warners pull your finger out and get it done.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Not much to say on the guy, but he needs to the obligatory mention when Whedon is talked about and of course as a potential for Ant Man.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST


    by bishopfan85

    I think it's fair to assume that Captain America may befall the same fate as Cyclops did in the X-Men movies. He absolutely should have been seen as the strong leader and a more central character (which would have made Wolverine much more interesting with the "less-is-more" ideology). But like most modern day thinkers, the belief is "hey everyone loves the lone rebel so let's over saturate the screen with them" which does a disservice to both characters. In the case of Avengers, Tony Stark is less of a lonewolf type which makes it fair to centralize him more than the choice to do the same to Wolverine so it wouldn't hurt the franchise as much. What will hurt is if Chris Evans' Captain America turns out to seem too much like the Human Torch in FF (since we're all fearfully assuming that possibility as well).

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Think about SERENITY

    by Robots In Das Guys

    Arguably Joss’ best and most completely satisfying film experience of Whedon’s career.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:03 a.m. CST

    I Want to Titty-Fuck Hannigan

    by Akira Cowabunga

    That's all.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Don't invoke Glengarry Glen Ross, Whedon...

    by Julius Dithers

    ...because it made me think how much cooler this project would be if David Mamet was in charge. "The Machine? The Machine? Fuck the Machine!"

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:07 a.m. CST

    This will have problems.

    by windomearle39

    Too many characters, vieing for screen time. I would imagine a couple of the Avengers" barely appear in the film and only turn up for one or two big set pieces.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Hannibal looks like

    by jedimast3r

    God stretched her face and let it thwap back into place. And she is the same no matter what role she has. Have you watched HIMYM? Its fucking Willow with a dye job. <p>And before you say anything, I was a raving Buffy fan too. I just think Whedon needs to keep his sub par TV actors away from this shit. This movie is too big for me to look and say, "Why the fuck is Flute-Camp in this?" <p>That being said, there's no way this movie can succeed in the fans eyes but I am pleased that Whedon is writing it. I can tell you right now though: you guys are expecting Astonishing X-Men quality of writing but you aren't going to get it. I have a bad feeling about this; that he is under so much pressure that he will succumb to some forumulaic, underwhelming garbage approach. I hope to hell that's not the case.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Oh and as for DC

    by jedimast3r

    They should get a clue and get Bruce Timm producing in the live action department. The guy and his team just get it. Even when they change things for the sake of adaptation, it's never horrendous. Whatever they do just feels right. Take Under the Red Hood, for example. <p>Having Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman dynamics play out in a movie smartly could be so epic, and most definitely a cash cow. Why can't anyone just DO it in the Warner camp? Such a pathetic bog in entertainment we wade through, and as a result the gems that come along seem more shiny than they really are. (Dark Knight was okay, but honestly - ask yourself - did it *really* feel like Batman?)

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Give Whedon a chance

    by old_man_and_the_sea

    I'm really sorry Norton isn't in the cast. But that doesn't stop me wishing Whedon well. He's shown he can do ensemble action with credibility and respect. And I agree with Miyamoto_Musashi. Thor is not the main character here; the story must centre on Captain America. Have fun Joss!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST

    didn't Norton mo-cap for HULK?

    by RogueScribner

    I swear I saw some behind-the-scenes footage of him doing that.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST

    2 Directors who could make a Justice League Movie kill any Aveng

    by bishopfan85

    Quentin Tarantino (maybe with Robert Rodriguiz) and Steven Soderbergh are on the top of my personal list of directors who could turn JLA into the truly nostalgic Superhero ensemble movie of our time. Both have a great track record of pitting great ensemble casts together and giving them the right balance of time to shine with dialogue worthy of their chops and vision that gives their films a sense of weight and nostalgia. Many people don't know most of the Avengers but JLA are a group of familiar faces who are usually known individually. Making a gritty cinematic DC Universe with a situation that would call for all of earth's heroes to team together would be simply unbelievable. Based on the short list that's been released, it looks like Zack Snyder will likely end up getting the call which is an interesting choice as well with a similar level of potential albeit slightly lower.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Too bad Whedon's dialog borders on cheese..

    by Bodacious_Crumb

    there goes any entertaining his idea of making this into a GGR-styled Avengers.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    @bishopfan, we are still pre Thor and Cap

    by Saen

    So who knows if Iron Man will still be the favorite. If Thor turns out great, and the Avengers villain ends up being Loki, it could just as well be Thor and the Avengers. Same thing goes for Cap.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Didn't Stark always sort of pull the strings

    by Dingbatty

    in the organization, as it was/is his mansion, butler, equipment? Anyhow, hasn't the de facto leader of The Avengers always been changing, along with their roster? Just re-reading Secret Wars the other day, and in the mid 80's, Wasp/Janet was mentioned as their "leader." Anyhow, "de facto" sums it up, because they are more of a loose democracy. Members tend to float in at out of the mansion at whim.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Yea Saen it could be the case

    by bishopfan85

    But realistically based even on what we've seen in the tail ends of the Incredible Hulk, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 we're likely looking at a film that is going to start out focusing mainly on Stark, Nick Fury and Shield unthawing Cap and bringing him up to speed, resurrecting Thor from Asgard and basically trying to stop the Hulk. If this is the case then Thor and Cap will have meat but won't be central to the story, it'd be Nick F and Tony S running the show.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Better Whedon female repertoire picks: Acker, Glau, Baccarin

    by Tall_Boy66

    My first vote is Amy Acker, even though I only saw her in Dollhouse but I thought she rocked in every scene she was in so pick her. Hannigan is cute and all but I think the other three gals with Whedon experience are the better actresses.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Anyway, didn't Hulk-guy write a draft of Avengers already?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Forget his name, but he's been on a few meh Marvel movies. Whedon keeps talking about breaking down a story, but I think in the end the Hulk guy will probably at least get a story-credit.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    I honestly think the reason we haven't seen DC do JLA is

    by elgato73

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:23 a.m. CST

    This is what happens in my dreams.

    by Deathpool

    After Avengers comes out and makes a metric ton of money, and Whedon is able to do whatever the hell he wants, he goes, "I think I'll make Serenity 2."<br><br>That's how it happens in my mind at least, and it's beautiful.

  • How about 'good direction'.... We aint here for the drama.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:39 a.m. CST

    DC/Warners say they just want to stick with stand alone movies

    by elgato73

    Which is absolute bullshit. DC/Warners said they're fine with doing movies that just have one character and no crossovers but they are lying out their teeth too. DC is just waiting to see what goes on with Thor, Cap, and Avengers before they start doing multi-character films that lead up to a JLA film. DC's going to do everything Marvel does wrong, right. I think the reason DC/Warners hasn't gotten any of their big characters into films is they are still fighting over the rights for Superman, the Nolan Batman films, and the disappointment that was Superman Returns. Also, Warners has just been asleep at the wheel here. Marvel Studios has already beat them repeatedly at the box office with their films over the last decade for crying out loud and no one at Warners seemed to give a shit. Yeah, TDK grossed a billion dollars but that's one picture. When you take Iron Man, Iron Man 2, the Hulk, the Spider-Man films, the X-Men films, and those awful Fantastic Four films, Marvel's characters have grossed more than DC/Warners. Yeah, its spread over several studios, but it all comes down to Warners sitting by while Marvel passes them by. Warners better get off their collective asses and get something done. We need a new Superman film that is a complete reboot, a Wonder Woman film, and a Flash film to go with Green Lantern. And all those films should have characters cross over to set up a JLA film. Now that will take at least a decade to get all those films made and hopefully with enough time passing, you will be able to introduce Batman into this equation as well that is totally exclusive of the Nolan films. Hell, introduce Batman in the JLA film. Just my two cents.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:44 a.m. CST


    by jasper Stillwell

    Isn't it all kind of in those first few Kirby/Lee Avengers stories anyway? That Stark is the initial leader/rationaliser, the glue, when Hulk, Giant Man, Wasp and Thor get together and then he steps back when Cap is thawed out and it soon becomes apparent that he has the leadership qualities necessary in the field. Cap is hesistant to take the reins on due to feelings of inadequacy and lack of physical power compared to Thor and Iron Man and Stark hands him the reigns in issue 15 to take a team of newbies. Me? I can't wait for this. I just wish we had Hank Pym in there somewhere.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Wasp and Antman

    by killianx

    Yeah why no Wasp or AntMan? ok I can see why no AntMan but at least give us Wasp!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Too abd you dont know a fucking thing about comics Herc

    by IndustryKiller!

    You opinions in the past have extolled the virtues of some of the worst stories in the mediums history. Why the fuck are you writing about anything other than television on this site again?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:08 a.m. CST

    This is going to be corny as fuck

    by MelGibsonsRacialTirade

    This is going to feel like a Buckheimer movie, I just know it...douche-chill inducing one-liner after one-liner to appeal to morons and halfwits. It won't be's going to be re-fucking-tarded...I'd say the worst line in film history was uttered in the Dark Knight when one of the cops said "have a nice trip see you next fall" but I think this movie has a chance at topping that one 10 fold.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:12 a.m. CST

    If you loved Astonishing X-Men, you dont get the characters

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's really that simple. Whedon turned WOlverine into a shallow joke conduit (the "gimli" of the team basically), wrote yet another incredibly boring Cyclops, and yet another vapid annoying Kim Kardashian of a WHite Queen. Not to mention couldnt come up with a single worthwhile villain in his run (Danger: great concept, horrid execution) and spent way too much time on the absurdly bland Ord story. I'll give him Beast though, he wrote a pretty good Beast.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:14 a.m. CST

    In Structure Glengarry Glen Ross...Is A Rip-Off Of...

    by Media Messiah

    ...12 Angry Men. I get what Whedon s saying though, he is taking about getting a bunch of great actors together, and really allowing them to go at each other--you know, in the type of scenes that win Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor Awards at Oscar time. Iconic scenes where real dramatic acting is on display, powered by elite dialogue, monologues even...ala Quentin Tarantino's writing and directing work--think Samuel Jackson in the restaurant scene in Pulp Fiction--that is what Whedon is advocating for Avengers.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:41 a.m. CST


    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Warners should be embarassed. <p> they have riches galore and unlike Marvel they have control of the movie rights of all of their characters. <p> On top of that they have riches galore in the incredible quality of Vertigo line stories and characters, some of them amazingly good ideas for cable TV series, mini series or movies. <p> Marvel's approach has been far from perfect at times, but for this core group of characters they control and can put on screen they are really giving it a go. <p> I hope that you are right in that they are waiting to see what happens with DC, because any other reason would indicate that they are asleep at the wheel and all involved in Warners including their shareholders should be asking questions. <p>

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Wasp or Antman ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Too many characters already ? <p> We have Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, War Machine, Black Widow, nick Fury and of course lets not forget the all time fan favourite of Agent Phil Coulson, or just Phil to his friends. <p> More than 7 is too much, and 5 is more than enough. <p> I think Whedon would have loved to include Wasp as I think Wasp could be his strong female character that he loves. Also with her being tiny there would be some blunt, incredibly obvious symbolism of having someone small take out someone much larger (i.e. Hulk controlled by Loki). <p> I think he would love to hire someone like Summer Glau for that role

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Hannigan for the win

    by j2talk

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Guy who said Whedon is 'far from accomplished'

    by Mr Gorilla

    Are you smoking crack, dude? Did you see Serenity? I would LOVE you to tell me how 'far from accomplished' that film was. And what was so 'accomplished' about Iron Man 2? Sure the Monte Carlo scene was great, but after that it was just one big snoozefest. Plus they made the Downey Jnr character an unrelatable dickhead. And they spend half the film setting up something with Sam Jackson that I had no reason to care about. I just hope that Whedon makes his film properly stand-alone, as the thought of Ken Brannagh's THOR and even watching a film called CAPTAIN AMERICA is depressing. I mean, 'Captain America'? Really? In this day and age? Even if you're doing it as a period piece?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6 a.m. CST

    Whedon's pretty much a genius when it comes to ensembles.

    by rbatty024

    This is why I think he's the perfect choice for Avengers. He does a fantastic job of defining characters off of one another. Hell, I would be happy to see these characters talking in a room for two hours, but I suppose he needs throw in some action now and again.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST


    by BlueLando

    Here's what I think of Joss Whedon's X-Men run. <p></p> <p> I hope he'll do a good job here, but he's not the obvious choice and he doesn't have a good track record of films that connect with the masses. And in a world where Nolan makes art that makes money, Whedon doesn't automatically cut it.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6:51 a.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

    Don't fuck it up, Whedon.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST

    How is Glengarry

    by Bass Ackwards

    A rip off of Twelve Angry Men?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Serenity is a great film

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    and I am a fan of the show, but if you think that Whedon is an accomplished director at this stage then you are either Herc (i.e. in love with the guy and incredibly biased) or on drugs. <br />I hope to be proved wrong after Avengers comes out, I think he is the right guy in terms of passion and getting the characters but executing it on a film thats another thing and lets not compare it to a property that he knew and loved like Serenity and is nowhere near as complex as dealing with all of these egos and audience expectations. <br />If he was the director of X-Men First Class or a New Mutants movie, think I would be a lot less hesitant but the execution of this movie no matter how passionate you are is going to take amazing skill as a director and I think even the masters would struggle

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Bass Ackwards

    by rbatty024

    Come on, they're both plays. That means they're practically the same thing.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:19 a.m. CST

    The more interesting comments for me...

    by Chewtoy

    ...have been the ones where he said that the superhero film genre jumped too quickly into the deconstruction phase and that he thinks there's still plenty of room to build superhero myth onscreen. When it comes to teams, I think he's absolutely correct. <br><br> DC looks to be focusing on The Dark Knight example, with the script for a Flash movie (being written now) said to be, tonally, a mix between "The Matrix" and "Silence of the Lambs"... This from an interview with one of the writers of it at Superhero Hype.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Eight Characters, in a Room

    by Aquatarkusman

    And by some strange coincidence, they all talk the same mall-sarcastic way! Congrats, Joss, you've got another hit!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:48 a.m. CST

    They got the guy from Sherlock Holmes?

    by bah

    Why didn't they get the guy from the first two Iron Man movies for continuity?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Same with Nick Fury

    by bah

    Why introduce him in Iron Man 2, then replace him with the guy from Pulp Fiction.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Where did you learn your trade you stupid fucking cunt?

    by alan_poon

    You idiot. Whoever told you could work with men?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Toy Story

    by Mummy_Under_Your_Bed

    Man, WTF. I had no idea Joss Whedon had anything to do with Toy Story. How did that even happen.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST


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  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by maxwell's hammer

    Your comment leads me to believe you've seen neither 'Glengary Glenn Ross' or 'Twelve Angry Men'. Other than being great plays that were turned into great movies, please explain how one is a ripoff of the other...

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Joss, i have all the failth in the world.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    you've got my benefit of the doubt, for sure.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    and as far as Aly Hannigan goes...

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    she's a whole lot of not too shabby, as they say in the motherland.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:36 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Just because you have a talented cast does NOT mean you will have a great ensemble movie. Unless you have a brilliant script and a talented director who's totally in tune with it, you will not get those great performances. RDJ and ScarJo were terrible in IM2. Absolute shit - and that's because of a laughable script and a director didn't know what to do with freaking Iron Man. Does Whedon have more talent than the lackluster Favreau? I don't think so. So all indications are we will end up with an Avengers ala IM2. Is David Mamet going to write the script? Because that's the only hope Avengers will have any resemblance to GGR.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Good luck to Ruffalo, but I really do miss Ed.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    AVENGERS = The UNIT with powers

    by BranMakMorn

    His action is cliche stuff. However, Whedon's character work is suited for Avengers, but needs some of the edge that a Mamet could bring. A superhero UNIT ensemble feel to it since that's what they are. The Avengers are not the Teen Titans, they are older seasoned veterans with some young guns entering the fold. And please get the action set pieces on point, they have to blow minds.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:52 a.m. CST

    still cant blieve they picked whedon 4 this.

    by alice133

    all the avengers and all the villians are all going to talk the same snarky way.<p>i hope marvel takes the frogs and the lightning away from him.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Deconstruction is the wrong way

    by BranMakMorn

    And I agree with Whedon, you have to build the myth, they are gods and super humans so make them act like one. These are eagles talking, not sharks or puppies.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Dinner for Five on Iron Man

    by Bass Ackwards

    I was actually surprised Iron Man was as good as it was, and not at all surprised Iron Man 2 was a disappointment, after hearing Favreau's thoughts on big budget film making during a Dinner for Five episode. He talked about how making a small, independent movie is harder than big budget movies, with the smaller movie all you have is character and story and dialogue, and everything has to work like a watch, with a big budget movie you have these big set pieces that will basically pull you along through the movie, and you can "get away" with shortcuts and poor storytelling moments, all you really need is a few good scenes here and there and some great set pieces, which is pretty much what Iron Man 2 amounted to (he cited Transformers as being a movie he loved and a great example of big budget movie making). <p>My point is that Whedon and Favreau have different approaches, regardless of talen level. A lot of Iron Man and Iron Man 2 was improvised, where Favreau seems to favor a kind of momentum rather than a plotted storyline, Whedon is obviously a guy who loves to write and values the script and rehearsals. So while I agree that Favreau failed to pull the same magic out of Iron Man 2 as he did with the first, I don't think that necessarily has any kind of foreshadowing for Whedon and The Avengers. I do wonder how Whedon and Downey Jr will mesh though, Downey seems to be a guy who's latest and biggest projects consists of a lot of freedom with the script (I rmember reading here actually how even Sherlock Holmes consisted of a lot of improv between him and Jude), and, like I say, Whedon is a guy who seems to really value the script. I like Whedon though (well, I should say I loved Firefly and Serenity, kind of neutral on everything else), so I'm willing to give the guy a chance, I think he's as good a pick as anyone, and LEAGUES better than Letterier or Johnston.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    CAPTAIN AMERICA -- be ALL BUSINESS when ON camera!

    by JDanielP

    Goof off (all you want) when the camera is OFF. But understand, ol' Cap is a very focused individual.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Hope you guys remember Jon Favreu

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Only had Zethura and i think Swingers to his credit before he did Iron Man. And that movie was a success. So, y'know...unclench.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:35 a.m. CST

    The talent behind this is great. My concern is...

    by JDanielP

    ...that Whedon (really) needs to take advantage of outside talent in developing the artistic vision, ...considering fight choreography, camera work/movement, special/visual effects (CGI and otherwise), set design, and overall artistic direction. For me, these are my concerns. <P>As to story and script, I think that Whedon will deliver,...just as long as outside distractions are kept at bay, and that Whedon can simply focus on a story that brings out his passion. <P>My fingers are crossed.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    No War Machine?

    by rev_skarekroe

    I guess the team doesn't need two Iron Men.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:43 a.m. CST

    And if they include Wasp...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...I bet it'll be the Asian Wasp from Ultimates. Just for the racial diversity, y'know.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    It makes me nervous...

    by tomandshell

    ...when the only two MOVIES that are listed in his parenthetical resume are two fifteen year old titles that he co-wrote--and one uncredited. He still hasn't quite proven himself as a director of big screen tentpole releases on this scale--the fact is that this will only be his second feature directing job, and I am more interested in Whedon writing Avengers than Whedon directing it.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Written by Joss Whedon & Directed by James Cameron

    by JDanielP

    If THAT happened, I would have to wear a DEPENDS ADULT DIAPER at the local cinema. --Good lord, I would wet myself.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST


    by Anything But Tangerines

    Fuckin' Patel?!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I'll Look Forward to Test Costumes/Designs

    by nexxus7

    That will be pretty telling... A new Iron Man armor no doubt, the modern Captain America, and what will Hawkeye look like. I liked the Hulk design last time so wonder how much it will change.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Alyson Hannigan is sexy?

    by Argentino

    who knew...

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Avengers cartoon series villains listed are:

    by leo54304

    Baron Zemo, MODOK, Absrbing Man, Enchantress, Graviton. <br> <br> Members will be original team with Hawkey and Panther joining later. <br> <br> Series will be true to Lee/Kirby tone and style and use their stories but will use material from all the eras including cinema. <br> Series debuts on Disney XD oct 20

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Well, if it IS an Asian Wasp

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Can I please have Maggie Q? Pretty fucking please.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    That Avengers cartoon looks pretty good.

    by deelzbub

    and really on-point as far as being true to the characters. Amazing! Now I won't have to explain to my wife why Cap/GiantMan/Vision was replaced with a robot/genericalien/blackguy for no apparent reason!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Whedon does some good stuff . . . and then

    by kabong

    he loses control. <p> And somebody definitely needs to control Downey.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST


    by ricarleite2

    Coffee's for closers only!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

    All of the great GGR quotes brought me to this epiphany.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Found this on Klaatu (old Hulk villain) on wikipedia

    by leo54304

    Klaatu is a member of the extraterrestrial race called the Herm, and as such it is immensely powerful, and has been described as power incarnate. It can drain power off of large areas, such as New York, and add to its own power. Using this power, Klaatu captured Debojyoti Mishra in "The Just Ok Hulk" vol. 633 #SKYCAKE and turned it into George Lucas. He then killed the original George Lucas, and had Mishra Lucas write the Star Wars prequels.<br> <br> Thought it was funny and a WTF was that doing there entry on the character.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Always saw Tim Robbins as Hank Pym

    by Heckles

    Would work, no? And yeah, Hannigan was the hotness on the HIMYM premiere. Starting to rise above Smulders, too.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    So, Buffy is HERC's favorite tv show of all times

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    That explains a lot. Herc is a 10 year old girl after all.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    This is gonna suck more than Allyson Hannigan

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    Other than Downey and Jackson I don't really see GGGR caliber actors here, but then I guess when you work with the likes of Sarah Gellar and David Boreanaz everyone else looks like Jack Lemmon.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST



    I'm fucking stoked for The Avengers movie and I think Whedon has got the ability to knock this out of the park... but he's also capable of going very wrong with this one. I've seen Serenity and thought it was great. But I've also seen Dollhouse and (in my opinion) it was a mess.<p>I just hope that the plot is HUGE. It needs to feel EPIC. I'm a bit concerned with how 'small' the Thor movie sounds in terms of scope. I hope I don't get the same worries about The Avengers.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Invoking Glengary not a bad thing but...

    by Sithtastic

    not what we're looking for. These character archetypes are there and while I certainly see what Whedon's getting at, I don't think he could sell a slow burn Avengers (and I know the studio doesn't want that at all) but when you consider the actors involved, letting their personalities clash and mesh, finally synthesizing as a team to save the world is a script that SHOULD write itself. Whether it will, I just don't know.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Mo Cap Hulk....

    by thecomedian

    They should use the same Mo Cap and face recognition tech Cameron Used on Avatar for The Hulk this time around. After seeing what was done with The Navi there's really no excuse anymore for a shitty looking CGI Hulk that looks nothing like the guy playing him and doesn't talk. That's always been the problem with every live action version of the character. They never let the Hulk talk because they think it will look silly. Meanwhile audiences have been used to CGI characters talking and interacting intelligently with human costars going back to even before The Gullam and Cameron's Navi. Audiences would love an intelligent pissed off Hulk.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I sincerely hope this is Whedon's last shot

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    How many more failed tv series and Box Office bombs does this guy need to produce?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Here's how the HULK should be done:

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    It's real simple, but explains why the last two attempts failed. The Hulk's color should be more of a grayish green like in the later comics rather than the bright green we have seen thus far. It's hard enough to make the Hulk look real, but I believe it is the bright green color that is the main reason it hasn't worked.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I'd be right there w/ JDanielP

    by VAwitch

    For a Whedon + Cameron movie. Decent dialogue & character dev + rockin' visuals? Yes Please!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Mo-Cap & Face Recognition --tech Cameron used

    by JDanielP

    AVATAR technology should most definitely be used to realize the HULK, for this AVENGERS flick.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I still miss Norton

    by Tall_Boy66

    I'll give the other guy a shot but for the sake of the Marvel Movie Universe Intercontinuity and just the performance I wish he was back. They probably didn't want to pony up the dough. I doubt Norton was going to go all apeshit and try his usual co-direct-but-not-really stuff he pulls. He doesn't do it all the time, on Fight Club it seems rather collaborative. He came up with the "Gets A Lead Salad!" line. And Whedon keeps waxing philosophic about how amazing he got his "only, first choice" for the role. Yeah, well if Whedon is so jazzed about the Marvel movie universe, shouldn't his first choice be Edward Norton?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by RaptorJesus

    Actually it is because DC/Warner are putting all their faith in Nolan, and Nolan refuses to have crossover films. It's so fucking retarded. See here ----->

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Imagine action from AVATAR with the AVENGERS

    by JDanielP

    Imagine Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) in that huge gunship in the finale of AVATAR (Stephen Lang would rock as Fury, too!), with the HULK hanging onto the side (as "Jake" did), his sudden mass of weight offsetting the flight path. Imagine James Cameron's incredible camera shots with the Banshees in flight,...specifically "Jake" turning his attack toward the gunship,...but is instead IRON-MAN turning his attack on HULK? Can you "see" in your mind's eye what kind of visual excitement we are talking about, here??? Can Joss Whedon deliver on THAT level, with the aid/expertise of various departments that can make such visuals happen??? Let's hope so.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Too Bad Whedon's directed ONE feature film

    by RPLocke

    in his life. This is scary.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Herc, you idiot.

    by the_beard_of_Chuck_Norris

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I've said it a million times, and I'm gonna say it again!

    by Darth_Kaos

    Whedon will be dropped (or he'll quit) before any Avengers movie is made. Too much STAR POWER. He usually deals with twenty-something actors no one outside the "Buffyverse" as ever heard of. Sorry, I think he's hella overrated, and doesn't have the skills to pull off such a grand project.I think this project is going to kick his ass and he'll fall on the wayside.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I don't get all the Whedon hate....

    by thecomedian

    J.J. Abrams had only one film under his belt before Star Trek and that was a big tittied monster hit(whether AsimovLives likes it or not). Joss unlike JJ actually has more experience writing and directing not to mention his stint as a comic book writer. Joss knows the medium and loves the characters and he definitely has the directing chops to handle an ensemble cast as well as knowing his way around action sequences. What kind of retard logic is it that because his cast is famous that he's suddenly going to not be able to direct them. That's asinine.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:59 p.m. CST

    The fuckin' leads are weak?! YOU'RE WEAK!

    by savagedave

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    But JJ directed some pretty successful TV pilots before working on a feature film. Whedon directed TV then a movie, then back to TV. Scary.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by savagedave

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Dang it!

    by the_beard_of_Chuck_Norris

    Herc, "That Gauntlet's For CLOSERS" makes no sense. <p> Gauntlet- –noun 1. a medieval glove, as of mail or plate, worn by a knight in armor to protect the hand. 2. a glove with an extended cuff for the wrist. 3. the cuff itself. —Idioms 4. take up the gauntlet, a. to accept a challenge to fight: He was always willing to take up the gauntlet for a good cause. b. to show one's defiance. Also, take up the glove. 5. throw down the gauntlet, a. to challenge. b. to defy. Also, throw down the glove. <p> The line from Glengarry Glen Ross was "Put that coffee down. Coffee is for Closers only." <p> A glove is for Closers? <p> A challenge is for closers?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I find out who's fuckin' cousin you are....

    by savagedave

    I'm gonna go to him, and figure out a way to HAVE YOUR ASS! FUCK YOU!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Darth Kaos, you can say it a million times...

    by chiwrtr72

    But that don't make it true. I hope you have a pacifier handy when the Avengers movie comes out and big old Directed by Joss Whedon pops up on the silver screen.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    You stupid fuckin cunt....

    by rogueleader66

    You Williamson im talking to you shit just cost me $6000....that's right....$6000 and one cadillac...what are you gonna do about it?......What are you going to do about it......Asshole.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Men who are going out there to try to earn a living

    by rogueleader66

    You company man.<P>Damn I LOVE that movie, so so so quoteable.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    JJ vs Joss..

    by thecomedian

    Joss actually wrote directed and worked as show runner on all of the properties he's associated with(Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse). JJ only did that with Felicity and Alias. He put his name on Lost, directed the pilot and executive produced it but he had little if nothing to do with making it the monster hit it was. Brian K. Vaughn(Ironically enough a guy who came from the comic book world) was the real creative power behind LOST. Advantage Joss. It's not really even a competition. I just think the fan community should cut him the slack they cut Abrams especially considering Joss has way more street cred with Avengers than JJ had with Trek.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Fuck the machine? Fuck the machine?

    by savagedave

    FUCK THE MACHINE! What is this, courtesy class?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    an all male cast... like Glengarry Glen Ross??

    by lostboytexas

    more like Glen and Gary suck Ross's meaty cock and drop their hairy nuts in his eager mouth. BUNG!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    JJ wrote the pilot of Lost, and directed several episodes. He directed Trek and Mission Impossible, and Aliand and Undercovers. Meanwhile, Joss wrote a comic book.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    I'm still shocked by the choice of Whedon

    by Kammich

    I'm not familiar with the guy at all, so its not a knock on him... but with so much star power in front of, as well as behind, the lens in all of these Marvel pictures... I would've thought the studio would go for the all-in, grand slam, directorial choice to helm the big convergence picture. I mean, "Avengers" is essentially Marvels we're-going-all-in picture. If its a smash hit, each individual franchise probably gets at least one more stand-alone pic, and the "Avengers" brand becomes a tentpole series. But if its a complete bust, it might single handedly kill the comic book movie genre. I can only surmise that Whedon must have really wowed the studio with his pitch, but still... why not just have the guy write it, and get an established action genre helmer to shoot the thing? mighty risky.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    no risk with Whedon

    by lostboytexas

    he's solid as a fucking rock. unlike jar jar abrams. fuck jar jar

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    James Cameron would be awesome

    by RPLocke

    Zack Snyder would be fantastic too.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Let's Just Agree that Both Whedon and Abrams...

    by Aquatarkusman

    ... are tepid and underwhelming

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, I'm not going to get into some stupid flame war...

    by thecomedian

    Just go to IMDB and compare the credits. It would be a tie except for the fact that JJ tends to lend his name to stuff and then walk away and let others make the properties great (with the exception of Felicity and Alias) while Joss sticks around and puts an actual creative mark on things as opposed to just taking the executive producer credit. Look, all I'm saying is that Joss Whedon is pretty much in the same place JJ was when he was making Star Trek. He was a big shot TV guy who made one film that pretty much bombed and was being handed this giant franchise to direct. JJ did well with Trek and rose to the challenge and I think Joss will do even better since he actually likes and gets the characters and isn't just looking for a paycheck or a stepping stone. It's pretty much common sense.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Uwe Boll could direct this and it would still make money.

    by A for Aristocrat

    This is a gift movie. Its a guaranteed hit for who ever Fox picked. Whedon got lucky and won the lottery. That being said, I wont go see it since basically it will be two hours of all the male heroes being beaten up until Black Widow defeats Galactus, Thanos, Ultron and the Hulk with her kung fu, wise cracks and plucky spirit. After which all the men fall in love with her and she snubs them since she is an independent woman.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Always be closing, always be closing

    by ricarleite2

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I don't get all the Whedon love

    by TrigPalinsBodyDouble

    The guy is an ok writer and a passable tv director, but I don't get how Whedonites think he's the Second Coming. Comparing him to Abrams is apt as J.J. is truly overrated as well.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon Is Good At What He Does

    by Barron34

    But I am not convinced he has enough experience as an action film director to pull this off. I think Marvel would have been a lot smarter having Whedon write the script, and then hand the movie over to a more proven action film director to execute. That way you get Whedon's clever dialogue, married to action from a proven movie director. I like Whedon's work, but Avengers is kind of a big movie to enttrust to a director who has basically made only one major film. Marvel should have offered James Cameron a truck-load of money to direct a Joss Whedon script of the Avengers.****Also, I think that the Pyms (Hank and Janet) should have been included in this movie. They are sort of the domestic core of the Avengers. I would like to see the Wasp and Giant Man (maybe Yellowjacket or Ant Man) as the second string utility players. The Avengers have a deep bench. Black Panther (who deserves his own movie), Hawkeye, Wonder Man, etc.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's lame to keep the Pyms out...

    by thecomedian

    All the Pyms have are The Avengers and Millar did an interesting enough riff on them in Ultimates that could have been copied. I'd much rather see Wasp and Giant Man in this film then Black Widow and Hawkeye. Perhaps Hawkeye and Widow make more sense because they can be bulked into the team as Sheild Agents but that's still lame. I'd much rather see Giant Man and The Wasp. Black Widow as the only female whose only power is pretty much being Scarlett Johanssen in a skin tight outfit is pretty lame.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Glengarry GlenRoss and other comments

    by oisin5199

    Whedon's comment is not that hard to unpack. All he meant was that he has top-notch actors who would be just as good doing a straight drama, but he gets the privilege of working with them in the context of a big budget superhero film. Can you blame the guy for being excited? He's directing the freakin' Avengers!! Imagine growing up on these characters, like he did, and getting to direct their movie? <p>And gotta disagree with the comments on his Astonishing X-Men run, IndustryKiller! His run basically defined the Scott/Emma relationship for all time. His Cyclops was crazy badass in a way he'd never been before. Emma was given great depth, especially her relationship with Kitty. And frankly, turning Wolverine into a joke isn't that hard. He already is one. That character gets more exposure than any other Marvel character. Even if Whedon did just use him for comic relief - and I don't believe he did, I would be fine with it, because it's good to de-angst a character every now and then, especially one as ridiculously dramatic as Wolverine. <p>Barron, really? Not enough action experience? 12 years total of working on Buffy/Angel, each having fight sequences in almost every episode. Granted, some of it was cheesy, but better than most on the air at the time. But throw in Firefly, and some of the incredible fights and explosions and spaceships in Serenity, including the fantastically brutal climactic fight scene between Mal and the Operative, I think you have a winner. And what action did Favreau direct before Iron Man? Are you counting Zathura? 'cause that would make me laugh.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I would pick Serenity over Trek.

    by rbatty024

    I liked both but Serenity was much better at balancing an ensemble cast and had more interesting narrative twists (the first few feints are pretty damn cool). Trek was fun, with a couple of unnecessary moments that spoke down to the audience, but it did what it needed to accomplish.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck about the final quality of the film

    by KilliK

    Even if it turns out to be TF2 in steroids,it will become a huge hit and praised by the fans as the best comic book movie ever made. <p>Because lets face it,at the end what matters is the brand-name of the Avengers and the weight it carries.It is an iconic,ongoing comic and as such it is an important part of the american culture,with its popularity expanding even beyond the boundaries of the geek world.The Avengers movie,regardless its movie quality,it will be more than a movie,it will be an event which will be hyped a lot and it will achieve huge interest,regardless if you are into the comics or not. And when it gets released,many people are going to watch it and especially the fanboys,because of their uncontrolled geek love,will worship it no matter how bad or good it is,until their initial excitement will fade away. <P>And the studio know that fact very well,thats why they have invsted so much on this movie.Think about it,the Avengers movie with all those vfx and star power (provided that Cap and Thor become hits as well) is going to be a very,very expensive movie.i believe its budget will be somewhere at the level of 200m dollars. <p>And since a big-budget Hollywood movie is about business,that means that some cuts have to be made in order to reduce the costs and increase the profits.I already said in another talkback that Norton was fired for that reason only, as a part of cutting costs procedure.And the announcement that Raffalo will be used only for the mo-cap effects of the Hulk,solidifies my previous statement. <p>The hiring of Whedon as a director/writer is also a part of this fact i believe Whedon is considered by the studio as a god sent present.Think about produce a movie,you invest 200m on it and you expect to jump-start a new SW franchise with it.Would you prefer to put in control of this multi-million $ investment someone inexperienced with projects of such a big scale or someone with the knowledge and the experience to handle it? i think that will the latter. <p>But with Whedon,who has already proved that he is very talented and very popular among the geeks,his lack of experience is overshadowed by a more valuable asset of his: he is a nobody as a director in Hollywood,he is not a big name like Nolan or Cameron (the guy has only directed/written a low-budget flop ffs)thus his fee and his percentage from the movie's grosses will be negligible. <p>so with Whedon,Marvel kills 2 birds with one shot: he is talented enough to pull out at least a decent movie,with the Avenger's brand-name taking care of the rest,and he will do that very cheaply. <p>Thats why the hiring of Whedon makes sense,its all about business.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Joss's directing

    by kenji

    He did a great job with the first scene of Serenity, compressing a season's worth of backstory into an introductory prologue. He also created effective tension and provided an epic kill sequence for Summer Glau. Serenity did suffer from lack of resources, and in a sense that is Whedon's fault by letting it show on screen. JJ Abrams had a bigger budget for Trek, but still cut corners effectively by (a) shooting Enterprise interiors on location and (b) making the baddie's ship out of modules, hiding the unbuilt areas in shadow. Hopefully Whedon has learned to shoot around his limitations. God knows he has enough strengths, i.e. cool spins on character archetypes, and pithy dialogue. Mind you, talkiness is TV. As Clint Eastwood told Leone, an "A" film is one where no one explains what you're already seeing.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST

    The Avengers will be good cause of the cast

    by RPLocke

    This film directs itself.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:19 p.m. CST

    whine whine Norton is gone cry cry


    whine whine Whedon is an ameteur cry cry cry me a river you whiney girls. the Director's weak? YOU'RE WEAK!!!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Didn't think the percentage angle killik, good point

    by leo54304

    Cuz you know that the bigger names would want a bigger percentage that Whedon was asking or the studio was willing to give.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Jarvis is J.A.R.V.I.S on the avengers cartoon

    by leo54304

    Guess thats a side tie-in to the movie. Plus one less character to draw.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Trailer for new animated avengers series

    by leo54304<br> <br> Animation nowhere near as good as JLU but you take what you can.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    The Action Largely depends on whoever

    by cushing1967

    is employed as the Second Unit Director. Joss Whedon won't be shooting the action sequences in The Avengers anymore than Spielberg filmed the action sequences in the Indiana Jones movies (it was Michael D Moore that shot all the non actor essential portions of the Truck chase). Also, it depends who is editing the film as to how good the action is.<BR><BR>As for the criticism that Whedon writes all his characters with the same style of speaking - well, that's a received myth that doesn't hold up an inch under scrutiny. You look at Buffy and the core three characters speak in the same style with the same sense of humour - as do any three friends. You look at the other characters and you'll find not so much. <br>I'm not a huge Whedon fan but some of the criticisms that get levelled are just not that worth levelling.<P>I am a little concerned that he may not be able to open the film out so that it 'fits' cinema - I loved Serenity but thought it was still a wee bit television movie in a lot of ways but I'm happy to wait and see what he does with it.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    And GGR is nothing like

    by cushing1967

    Twelve Angry Men and whoever said that (I can't remember the talkbackers name) is so fundamentally wrong with that statement that I am actually astounded.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST

    ^ good point


    Wheddon is going to have a lot of muscle supporting him on this production. I support him 100%

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    it's Media Messiah. If you don't know the name, get used to it. You'll continue to associate it with being fundamentally wrong. In fact, he really should change his screen name to that.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Never watched Buffy, Saw Firefly on DVD

    by RPLocke

    Whedon is overhyped on the net, but then most things people don't watch are.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:59 p.m. CST

    And as for whether TV directors can make film

    by cushing1967

    Well, look at Spielberg who made Jaws as his second cinematic release (after Sugarland Express died on its arse). Jaws is as far away from television constraints as you can get and is an incredible ensemble piece. Not just the three male leads but so many other characters have meaningful, plot driving roles. Not saying Whedon is a Spielberg but unless given a chance we'll never know.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Actually Spielberg started from videogames

    by KilliK

    thats what someone told me,he was working in making videogames and then he went to become a director.i dont know if that is true,but its a fact that Spielberg has made it known that he is very interested to get involved in the videogame industry.i know for sure that he was going to produce a steam-punk rts set on mars some years ago. <p>anyway thats all with the useless trivia from me.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by cushing1967

    Think someone was messing with you. Jaws was 1975, Sugarland Express was 1973 - first coin operated video game was 1971 or thereabouts and first mass marketed was Pong. Before Sugarland Express Spielberg made Duel, Something Evil and various episodes of stuff like Marcus Welby and Night Gallery.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Whedon was picked because he launches franchises.

    by Chewtoy

    Seriously, go to Amazon and search for Buffy products. Then try Firefly/Serenity products. There are a shit load... They're still being produced for properties that haven't had anything new committed to film in like 5 years. Books, comics, games, apparel... The man made multiple merchandising monsters that people are willing to follow across different mediums. Disney/Marvel wanted to go with someone who could introduce these lesser known comic characters to a wider audience and make that audience care enough to keep them in the pop culture mix.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    Were videogames even AROUND when Spielberg made duel? Pac Man didn't hit the scene until the 80s.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    RPLocke exactly that

    by KilliK

    thats why i have my doubts about this.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Chewtoy i dont disagree with what you say

    by KilliK

    but dont forget that most of the Avengers characters are already going to get introduced to the wider audience,with their own movies.IM and Hulk got their introduction,now only Cap and Thor remain.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Will you go to Lunch!!!!!!!!

    by SmokieGeezer

    Love the love for GLENGARRY here, Those quotes above are great.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Spielberg's designed Pong

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Not a lot of people know that.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Whedon also wrote Alien Resurrection

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    What a piece of shit that was.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:16 p.m. CST

    After that sh!t-@ss cop-out of a "Lost" ending...

    by Boober

    you can stop comparatively talking about JJ for anything related to Avengers.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Boober JJ DID NOT WRITE the Lost ending

    by RPLocke

    God, people are stupid.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Using "Someone told me..." on the internet is

    by Larry Sellers


  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection only craps out at the end

    by Tall_Boy66

    I think it's a solid entry in the series for about 80% of the movie. It's just the Newborn, in Whedon's original script and in the finished film, is a terrible concept and terribly executed. They wanted a climax for the movie? Just have the Queen get loose on the ship. Easy. Not have the Newborn kill the Queen because IZ THE NEW VILLIAN AND BADASS. But I think it's a solid Alien flick, just with a terrible ending.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    My theory behind Whedon getting the directing gig

    by BarryConvex

    I get the feeling that Paramount are hoping, that by hiring Whedon, that they can reproduce they same kind of success that they had with Abrams. I'm thinking that they think that lightning will strike twice by hiring another successful tv writer/director with geek cred. Let's just hope this gamble pays off...

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Whedon would have been better with other Marvel franchises...

    by jgsugden

    I think Whedon would have been better with Runaways or X-men. Those series are all about pain. Pain is Whedon's forte. However, his secondary focus is family, and I like what he's said about this being a dysfunctional family film. Embracing the WTF of a god, a radiation mutant, a tech geek in iron undies and a bunch of spies/soldiers that need to learn to work together to stop something out of their individual leagues is a good take. They have a full cast. A BRIEF non story-focused cameo by other Marvel players will be fine, but the central role of Cap, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor is enough - everyone else is supporting cast. My only hesitation is that Whedon's best work with a cast has NEVER been in the first sighting of the cast. It is usually about 12 hours in that he really turns the screws and lines everything up for greatness. He won't get 12 hours here. We have to see if he can utilize the 12 hours of IM, IM2, Cap, Thor and Incredible Hulk to get set up for success.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I think Whedon makes for a great underdog.

    by rabidfnark

    A lot of people are going to bet against him... and that's fine, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But the man has won me over many times in the past. So this time I'm gonna bet on him. Will this be the greatest superhero movie of all time? I dunno... I can't see the future, but my ass will be in a seat (unless I get hit by a asteroid or something. Again, I can't see the future).

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Whedon can't turn death and pain screws, though

    by Tall_Boy66

    The big twists that hit you in Whedon's work are character deaths. He kills a lot of characters, usually in sacrifices that are very dramatically effective. It works, but he can't fuckin kill of Captain America. You got franchises to think about. Of course, maybe he could kill somebody off because then the movie-Marvel verse would suddenly experience "comic book death" that we do in the funnybooks all the time. But I doubt it.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "You know why, mister? Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. THAT'S my name.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    So he can't kill Cap, or IM, or Thor. Okay.

    by rabidfnark

    That doesn't mean he can't find someone of some importance to have a very dramatic death. My bet's on a female character, someone close one of our boys, that could be very moving (as long as he avoids the "'Nooooo!' As the camera pulls back" cliche).

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Agent Coulson is the only possible fodder

    by Tall_Boy66

    Like, literally, everyone is signed to multi-movie deals. And I think it would totally rock if Coulson got killed off and Nick Fury was all like, "Noooooooooooo!!!" because it would be really really funny. Basically, I can't see this movie being emotional wringer like some of Whedon's most memorable work. But it can be a hell of a lot of fun, something like Our Mrs. Reynolds. Keep it light and ass-kicking. There isn't going to be anything really dramatically moving in the film though simply because of the franchises. However, I'm cool with that and I enjoy Whedon's stuff when it's more breezy than dark. But, if you think about it, the Avengers comic books are like that too. Can't kill of Cap in an Avengers book, that has to happen in his own book.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Right , Tall_Boy66,

    by rabidfnark

    I'm in complete agreement about keeping it light and fun. However I'm just saying that If he really wanted to Whedon could probably find someone to kill off. How many films is Gwyneth Paltrow committed to? It seems like the loss of Pepper Potts would really effect Tony, but not future movies that badly. It could actually lead you right into a "Demon in a Bottle," scenario and she could have some flashback/hallucination scenes in the future (I may have thought about this a bit too much). But when it comes down to it, I too, want fun over dark.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Millar's Ultimates

    by Kammich

    a dude I work with just lent me the first volume "Ultimates" hardcover, and I'm probably going to crack it open tonight. I'm familiar with all the 616 and Ultimate characters individually, but this will really be my first introduction to the Avengers unit in comic form. is it any good, in the early going?

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST


    by IceTitan

    Don't remind me. I'm almost as bummed now as I was the day that I heard they gave the job to Ruffalo. I love the guy but he's no Bruce Banner. This seriously kills the movie for me as Hulk is one of my all time faves. I hope Justice League smashes the Avengers whenever it gets made.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Ultimates Vol. 1 is the best

    by Tall_Boy66

    And it gets going from awesome to awesomer from issue #1 so you're in for a treat. Some people get pissy that Cap kicks Banner in the face around issue #4 or so, but I thought it was awesome.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    What death and pain screws?

    by A for Aristocrat

    Death is as meaningless in the whedonverse as it is in comics. Everyone knows the only real deaths in comics are Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben....oh wait.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:36 p.m. CST

    UA vol1 kicks ass,UA vol2 is a disappointment

    by KilliK

    but you might enjoy it,but stay the fuck away from UA vol3.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by rabidfnark

    you're going to get a lot of different answers to that. Personally, I'm not Mark Millar's (the writer of The Utimates 1 and 2 (but you probably know that)) biggest fan, but his work in the Ultimate universe isn't horrible. You'll probably enjoy it. But you should know that, tonally, the 616 Avengers and the Ultimates are extremely different. Millar almost always goes for 'darker and edgier'. Just bear that in mind as you go.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Larry Sellers the person who told me that

    by KilliK

    is a friend of mine who studied film arts in French.she knows her shit about cinema,she is a professional film editor,but then again she is a woman,so she might have gotten her info wrong about SS.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:41 p.m. CST

    There's Millar's name right in your top line.

    by rabidfnark

    That'll teach me to skim. Sorry, to insult your geek cred, Kammich.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:45 p.m. CST

    i have no geek cred

    by Kammich

    but i am apprenticing in the art! thanks for the feedback guys. I'm also getting ready to start reading "The Walking Dead," which i'll assume has a much more overwhelming positive fanbase.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Aint it Whedon/Toro News

    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Waddya want, Les Wiseman news?

    by Tall_Boy66

    No, thank you.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST


    by Lord Haw Haw

    Fuck you. Fucking Shiva handed this guy a million dollars, told him "Sign the deal!" he wouldn't sign. And the god Vishnu too, into the bargain. Fuck you, John! You know your business, I know mine. Your business is being an asshole. I find out whose fucking cousin you are, I'm going to go to him and figure out a way to HAVE YOUR ASS - FUCK YOU!

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Maxwell's Hammer: 12 Angry Men/Glengerry Glen Ross

    by Media Messiah

    I am talking about the character interactions, as far as the tightness of being cramp-up together and being forced to argue out points of view--and how those things reveal the characters' true essence, in the cathartic process of being placed inside a dramatic pressure cooker together. Are they weak, good, strong-willed, cruel, evil, bigoted, intelligent, stupid, or just plain foul. Those things you find out when people are placed under great stress, and that was the formula of 12 Angry Men, and what Glengerry copied. The dramatic tone in the writing, and the guttural character interactions.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Im wondering if the Avengers will be as big a

    by southafricanguy

    film at the b.o as many seem to think. I ve seen a lot of people talk about it matching or exceeding TDK as the overall biggest superhero film, but I doubt this will happen. Iron man films did well, but that seems to be a lot to do with RDJ's pull as a genuine movie star. But the Incredible Hulk did very mediocre compared to what it cost to make, and I haver a funny feeling Thor wont do much better. Strangely I think Captain America is more likely to emulat ethe success of Iron Man. But even so, how much does the average film goer know about the Avengers, or even give a shit that theres a film with these superheros together?

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Millar gets a lot of shit

    by BlaGyver

    Mostly for his actual personal persona, but damn, he's written some fine comics. Between Red Son, Ultimates, Old Man Logan (that was him, right?), Kick Ass, and Wanted (one of my favorites), he's done some damn good shit. I feel like Wanted gets way more hate than it deserves. I know he wrote it basically as a movie pitch that didn't turn out the way he wanted it to, but it's a great book.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    As for the quality of the film, very hard to say

    by southafricanguy

    imho, partly because no-one has made a superhero team film like this before. Whedon's an interesting (and cheap option for Marvel) choice, I for one think hes a telented writer most of the time (but theres no excuse for that crapfest Alien Ressurection), and while i am certainly no browncoat (or Whedon fanboy), Firefly was very good, and Serenity was a good tv film. I say that because while it was indeed good, it still felt like an expensive episode of the tv show, not terribly cinematic. I think as long as the script is watertight, they should nt have any problems, and Whedon is good with ensembles anyway....

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    You know how James Cameron spent YEARS developing Avatar? And how everyone on this site ate up every piece of news that related to it? I guarantee you 2/3 of the audience that saw Avatar had no idea how long Cameron had beeen working on it or how big of a deal it was that it was finally coming out. The thing is, when something is that big of a deal, the public catches on to the fact that they should probably care about it. And regardless of their previous attachment to these characters, everybody knows RDJ's Tony Stark, and pretty much everyone knows who Captain America is. Seeing them together in a movie will be enough. Throw in some other superheroes (that people will PRETEND they already knew about) and Marvel is set.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Where are the the members with powers?

    by The Founder

    I love the Avengers and Widow, Hawkeye, Cap, Fury, Stark are iconic and favorites but they don't have mega power. Thor and Hulk are the only really superpowered members and I get the feeling that Thor's powers are going to be Watered down. Their is no one here really to give us the that FX eye candy. Scarlett Witch, or Sersi would've been ideal female characters. Ms Marvel is good but do we need another character with Super strength as their main power? Yeah she can fly and have some energy powers but strength and flight is here top powers. I'm not sold on the tee candy

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:04 a.m. CST

    This is gonna be bigger than avatar.

    by chainsaw_shawn

    But it'll be better storywise. I mean for godsakes he writes for marvel comics has did movies before for every fanboy and comic lover out there. this guy runs on all cylinders. What i think would be his biggest task is pulling in non comic readers as well.. Thats where the drama comes in. I have a feeling the storyline wont be avengers vs hulk. i mean that would be a small part of it. but my thoughts would be avengers vs thanos. Yep. the crazy bastard that loves death. I mean this is a threat the world has never faced. and thanos seems like a worth opponent. He's hig and strong like the hulk, has cosmic abilities and is tyrannical like darkseid. That would be a great villian and have the mandarin and loki as sub villans. He's probably already finished the script. Dont sweat it. it's in the bag. ...And if it isnt ill chop his fucking head off! lol j/k.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I'm skeptical on Whedon, but I'll give him this

    by BlaGyver

    There is NOBODY on this site that could properly argue that his heart isn't in the right place on this. Dude is one of us, plain and simple, and he will do his best, even if the result is lackluster.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I want some fx eye candy, give us Quasar or Dr Strange

    by The Founder

    Avengers have good and classic history but the I've always felt they had to any characters that were basically a step above Normal humans. Cap, hawkeye, Black panther, Widow, Wasp, ant man and some others were always in the forefront and yet mediocrly powered. They are written well and that have always made up for the lack of power. This is why I always said the JLA would crush the Avengers. As far as an commonly used team members go Thor is it who heavy in power. He can't do it all. Members like Quasar, Sersi, Sentry, Hulk, Strange and a few others with cool powers never is on board long.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Don't like Whedon at the helm but is hoping for the best

    by The Founder

    Just was never sold on him and no amount of geek love is gonna change that. Joss did good with Angel and Buffy but the man is a tv talent plain and simple. The Avengers should be grand and with a villain to match.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Where the hell is The Vision

    by The Founder

    This is probably my top character that should always be on the team despite when the roaster changes.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST


    by chainsaw_shawn

    With disneys financial backing and state of the art special effects on hand? The only way you go wrong, is if you dont focus on making a movie everyone loves. Give us something that is memorable. and people will never forget it. I remember coming home from watching independance day. It was so damned crowded. I tried to sneak in the back at the last screening of eraser and tried to sneak in the day before, didnt work. But I saw it that saturday, line wrapped around the block. So we're chilling and sat and watched and at the end. We all clapped. We're missing that epic finale of a movie when fans are clapping at the end. We need that again. I remember when all my friends was still talking about it the next day. Make us clap....

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:37 a.m. CST

    The last time i saw an audience clapping after the finale

    by KilliK

    of the movie,was in Avatar.But in comic-movies i dont know,maybe in TDK and SM1.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:44 a.m. CST

    I'm holding my breath as well

    by garybuseys_incisors

    Buffy sucked hardcore after season 2, Angel's only good season was 5, Firefly was good as was Serenity. I can't quite get enthused about Whedon taking the helm. <p> I agree with Blagyver. Whedon's heart seems to be in the right place and that has to count for something. We'll see when it comes out. I'm hoping for the best.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Glengarry didn't "copy" anything from 12 Angry Men

    by Bass Ackwards

    Twleve Angry Men didn't invent any of the traits you're talking about, and vaguely linking those ideas to Glengarry as an imitator is lazy. The characteristics of Twelve Angry Men, limited stage setting, strong dialogue, heavy drama, character motivations, those are characteristics of a shit ton of plays, simply because those are the kind of stories that lend themselves to the natural limitations of a play (Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, Streetcar Named Desire, The Crucible, etc). More to the point, Twelve Angry Men was about the ability of principle and righteousness to overcome bigotry, ignorance, or just plain laziness (i.e. the ability of justice to prevail). Glengarry was about survival. Twelve Angry Men was public arguments, investigation, politicking, where Glengarry was characters in private moments conspiring, deceiving, bullying, panicking. Yea, there may be some similar elements, as there are between basically any two stories, but taking that to the idea of one being a rip off or copying is sophomoric. Blah, I don't know why I'm wasting any time writing so much about this, its just the idea that Glengarry "ripped off" Twelve Angry Men is so plainly off base its hard to sum up the myriad of WTF reactions to the claim.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I didnt clap for tdk or avatar.

    by chainsaw_shawn

    Funny i remember seeing tdk on the 3rd night sold out. it was good but no one clapped. even though the ending was epic. it might have been too depressing. It wasnt uplifting. i mean c'mon framing batman for killing cops??? i felt so fucked up. im like batman doesnt kill cops. I mean he'll beat them within an inch of life, yeah. but he doesnt kill. I didnt clap at tne end of avatar either. I had a headache with all that 3-d sensory overload shit.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST

    when i saw xmen 3 and fantastic 4 2


    people clapped. el oh el

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 3:04 a.m. CST

    But I guess we just have to accept that due to

    by southafricanguy

    marvel trying to keep their costs down, they can only go for the best talent at a certain price. So its pointless to wish for our dream directors for these gigs, its never gonna happen....

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Blaguyver....I guess you may be right, it cou

    by southafricanguy

    ld be really big for the reasons you pointed out, but sorry chainsaw...there is no way it will be Avatar big, superheroes as a genre are simply not popular enough internationally, and across the board enough for that to happen. Remember that women, who lest us not forget make up a very large percentage of the movie going public, for the most part dont really like most superhero films. If anything we can hope for TDK level of success imho. But funnily I have a strange feeling that the Avengers may end up not being as big as we think, especially if they opt for a crappy 3D conversion ala COTT and last Airbender, and which is what they are doing now with Thor and Captain America. iT really needs to be native 3D or no 3D at all....

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Batman didn't even need to show up

    by Dennis_Moore

    in TDK. He's useless and no fun in those movies.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Glengarry Glen Ross: Ultimate Abuse Mix

    by savagedave

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I think you introduce the Vision along with Ultron in the sequel

    by Chewtoy

    Although I'd love for Whedon to plant the seeds in the first film with Prof. Horton's work being referenced. Even without the Torch connection, I'd like them to keep the idea that the Vision's body was built in the 30's with components from Timely manufacturing. The fact that something that advanced could exist back then lays the seeds for Kang, and it would let the Vision keep some of his "Ming the Merciless" inspired sci-fi look.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    "Where's The Vision? Where's the Pyms? Where's Ms. Marvel?"

    by Triple_J_72

    Isn't that what SEQUELS are for? ;-)

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    @ chainsaw_shawn

    by The Founder

    The big finale where the audience cheers is what has been missing from movies a while now. You are correct. I've seen movies over the last years where the audience clapped but it wasn't cause of the finale. Yeah people clapped at the end of Avatar, Iron Man 2, and Despicable Me when I saw them this year but it wasn't based on a grand finale or just making people cheer. It was do more so on them being movies that folks enjoyed. I've got little confidence in Whedon making an awesome movie. I know the guy has passion for this and ive enjoyed his tv work but that's what it is only. I've seen nothing that makes me excited with him at the helm. Right now my bet is we'll an entertaining Avengers flick where you'll be thing they could've done so much more.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Still wondering how he will insert man-bashing

    by Himbo

    and the token gyno-power character. Scarlett ain't up to it.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Bass Ackwards RE 12 Angry Men

    by cushing1967

    What you said - carved into a cliff.<P>Nicely done!

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Whedon, you just cost me 600 million dollars

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    The Avengers movie needs to be three hours long and (because) every member needs equal screen time. Otherwise it's X-Men 3 with OH THERE'S HANK MCCOY FOR A SECOND type of crap.<br><br> The GGGR stuff doesn't relate to Avengers - he was just saying WOW I GOT SO MANY GREAT ACTORS I'D LOVE TO JUST SIT THEM AROUND AN OFFICE AND HAVE THEM 'ACT' BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE THIS IS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. <br><br> What's the story of this movie? Cap getting unfrozen?

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Alyson Hannigan...the Geek Wet dream...

    by conspiracy

    I'd lick that Dolphin tattoo of hers till she squealed and squeeked and her hot pink gash took the spasming characteristics of a blowhole.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by Kammich

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 2:07 p.m. CST

    No one clapped at the end of Dark Knight

    by RPLocke

    The last half hour of the swirling scanner thing confused the hell out of people, and turning Batman into a villain has been done before.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Revenge of the Sith was the last movie I went to

    by RPLocke

    people clapped at.

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    @the founder

    by chainsaw_shawn

    I actually saw iron man 2 on a sneak peak 12am that night. Now it was packed but no one clapped at the end. I wasnt really surprised it just didnt hold up against the first one. But whedon gives me hope. His resume speaks for itself and he has alot of respect from me.

  • Sept. 29, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    re: The Ultimates... this made me chuckle

    by Kammich

    issue 3, published in 2002... Nick Fury, represented by Samuel L. Jackson's resemblance, and in the company of Tony Stark, says: "Don't worry about injuring my nose, Captain America. Its been smashed more times than Robert Downey Jr." oh, the irony.