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The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day says F*!# that thing! Let’s fight it!

Published at: Sept. 25, 2010, 11:38 a.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes pic! Now, I have a lot of problems with Alien 3, but most of them are focused on the story elements… hell, even the story’s okay, it’s the base concept that I have a problem with. By killing Hicks and Newt off screen it almost negates ALIENS as a film. All the themes about motherhood and companionship are rendered nil by the first 2 minutes of Alien 3. David Fincher’s execution of the story and his direction of the actors are top notch, but since the story is flawed at its very foundation, almost a lugie in the face of people who loved Aliens, there’s not much he can do. I wonder what an Alien sequel directed by the Fincher of today would look like. Think about it… Fincher, who can’t be bullied by a studio trying to protect its franchise, taking on a genre film with as rich potential as the Alien series... Drooooooollll… My misgivings about the film aside, this BTS pic is killer. Love it to death. Consider it a preview of the all horror and monster-themed October run of BtSPotD comin’ up! Here’s the pic! Enjoy!

If you have a pic you think should be included email me. I’m looking for the iconic, the rare or the just plain cool behind the scenes shots to feature here. Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes Pic gets its ass to Mars. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



Previous Behind the Scenes pics: - Alien
- Big Trouble In Little China
- Clash of the Titans
- Dr. Strangelove
- Sesame Street
- The Birds
- The Dark Knight
- Batman (1989)
- Batman: The TV Series
- Stephen King’s IT
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
- Superman
- The French Connection
- Tron
- The Road Warrior
- Ghostbusters
- King Kong (’33)
- The Empire Strikes Back (Luke with Slate)
- Rebel Without A Cause
- Taxi Driver
- Metropolis
- The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
- Tommy Chong Meets The Blues Brothers
- The Empire Strikes Back (Filming the Crawl)
- John Carpenter’s The Thing
- Jaws
- Die Hard
- Aliens
- Frankenstein Meets The Wolf Man
- The Howling
- Revenge of the Creature
- The Empire Strikes Back (Vader & Luke Duel)
- The Godfather
- Rambo III
- Vertigo
- Planet of the Apes
- Pan’s Labyrinth
- Labyrinth
- RoboCop
- The Adventures of Robin Hood
- Marathon Man
- Young Frankenstein
- Viva Las Vegas
- The Empire Strikes Back (Han driving a snow cat)
- Rio Bravo
- Giant
- Back to the Future
- The Time Machine
- War of the Worlds (1953)
- Alien (Chestburster)
- On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
- Dr. No
- The Twilight Zone
- Once Upon A Time In The West
- Lawrence of Arabia
- Star Trek: The Original Series
- The Empire Strikes Back (Luke in Wampa Cave)
- Edward Scissorhands
- The Warriors
- 2001: A Space Odyssey
- Fantastic Mr. Fox
- Requiem for a Dream
- The Princess Bride
- Hard Boiled
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
- They Live
- The Empire Strikes Back (Tippet with Wampa)
- Dirty Harry
- Stark Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
- Blade Runner
- Raiders of the Lost Ark (Periscope Ride)
- 1941
- The Godfather (Coppola & Brando)
- The Lady Eve
- 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
- Godzilla
- The Empire Strikes Back (Bald Vader)
- Mary Poppins


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  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Cool.

    by OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Definitely....

    by Quackfu

    A downfall for the movie trilogy. Pretty cool pic though. Didn't (or won't) they have air bags in the future?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    While Aliens is okay film...

    by tomimt

    Killing off Newt and Hicks was the best thing, that happened in A3. The whole maternal rage and protect and blossoming love was among the worst elements in Aliens. Aliens isn't that great story wise, direction saves a lot in that movie.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    That's pretty awesome

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    Nowhere near my favorite Alien film, but it DID have Charles S Dutton, and Roc makes anything he's in instantly better.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Stephen Fry is Mycroft Holmes <p>in Sherlock Holmes 2

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    just thought I'd throw that in since no one on AICN has reported on it.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    cool practical fx pic

    by zom-bot.com

    love that the guy holding the alien head prob also looks to be the guy wearing an alien glove. i'll have to watch that scene again. i love when you get to see how a quick 1/2 second of horror or sci-fi action was made with a minimum of resources. (not budget-wise, but prop wise)

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    "By killing Hicks and Newt off screen...

    by AsimovLives

    ... it almost negates ALIENS as a film"<br><br>And that's one ofm the reasons i have untold amounts of respect for ALIEN3. The sheer amount of balls it took to do that. That alone deserves my undying respect til the world ends. This is one of the reason why i like ALIEN3, it's a movie made with balls. A full pair of big COJONES! It's not a pussy movie, nor it's a movie for pussies. Unliek so many franchises and sequels made that ar enothign but desperate atempts to kiss the asses of audiences. ALIEN3 was made with balls. One reason the movie is good, really, truly good. and for all of you who lament that it's not ALIENS PART II, i play for you the world's smallest violin in (non)sympathy for your woes. Suck on it!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    ALIEN3: not a movie for pussies!

    by AsimovLives

    Teen fucks are not welcomed here.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Nothing negates ALIENS or any other film

    by Karl Hungus

    Sorry but it's downright ridiculous to say that any element of ALIEN 3 "almost negates ALIENS as a film." ALIENS is not changed, the same way that Ridley Scott's ALIEN is not changed by the stuff James Cameron added to the series with ALIENS. ALIENS still sits on the shelves of its fans, unmolested. You want to watch it? Watch it. ALIEN 3 isn't stopping you. Having said that, I love that Hicks and Newt were killed at the opening of ALIEN 3. For two reasons: 1) Hicks was so badly injured and Newt so completely helpless that neither one would have had anything to offer in a direct sequel, and 2) it immediately and boldly announced to the audience that no one is safe. No one. And as we found out, no one was.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of the film

    by alan_poon

    They should have left it at three. Resurrection was fun but empty and I'm dreading this prequel explaining the space jockey.Could well be be Scott's Phantom Menace.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Aliens...

    by high fidelity

    ...I don't know, it felt like such a disappointment to me after all the hype I had heard. I didn't even make it past the first hour. Why is it so difficult to get a great sequel out of this franchise?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    high fidelity

    by A G

    What age are you?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST

    "ALIEN3 was made with balls"

    by thommcg

    "I like you. You have balls. I like balls." Anyway, yes, Alien 3 was bollocks, total utter bollocks.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Didn't make it past the first hour?

    by imagin78

    How hard is it to sit for 2-3 hours and watch a movie? I imagine reading a book is beyond the pale for some.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Aliens 3 Should Have Been Called "Alien Abomniation"

    by Arcangel2020

    I look upon this film with an incredible amount of angry, disdain and total venom... I remember when this first came out in the Theaters..back in 1990/91 I think? It was such a HUGE disappointment to say the very least (Actually I thought it was a HUGE pile of steaming putrescent crap...and i still DO to this very day!!) I absolutely LOVE Alien and Aliens (in fact I think Aliens is one of those very rare circumstnaces where the sequel is JUST as good as the first movie!) I was so psyched to go see this film only to pay good money and sit through a film that was not only a piece of shit...but... totally negated the previous film!! If only 20th Century Fox had paid attention to the Darkhorse Comic series regarding Alien and the way the characters from Alien and Aliens were being properly utilized? Then and only then I think would Alien franchise had gone on to be a great series...instead? We the HR Gieger/Ridley Scott & James Cameron fans of all things Alien were left with two sequels that both damaged and ruined the entire series to come...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    It takes NO balls at all

    by Georgepeppard

    to make a mopey teenager's imitation of the first movie. Alien 3 is the ultimate hot topic phony bullshit.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Whatever your opinion.. balls or bollocks..

    by FracturedLojak

    Don't forget that Alien3 had serious script issues throughout its process. The *first* Alien3 teaser trailer I saw in theaters pictured EARTH. That was the original intent. Then the story mutated and mutated, until it became what it did. The screenwriters had their work cut out for them, and in a very limited amount of time.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:09 p.m. CST

    The assembly cut in the Quadrilogy is awesome

    by palimpsest

    ALIEN (CUBED) is a compromised movie in a hundred ways, but there's some great stuff in there, and the extended version helps a lot. The background to the flick is a fascinating study in what van go wrong in even what might seem the most surefire of things - a second sequel to an established franchise which has (so far) married genre thrills with intelligence, decent acting and fine technical credits. In fairness, I've got more than a soft spot for ALIEN: RESURRECTION, which is (IMHO) a better movie than many give it credit for, though its offbeat tone is at odds with the poker face of the first three movies.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Childhood Alien/Aliens fan here...

    by Ironhelix

    ...and seeing Alien3 in the theater broke my fucking heart. It was bad in so many ways, I really don't know what to think of people who defend it. Some of the acting was OK i guess? It was shot well? That's all I can think of. None of that makes up for the rest of it.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 Is Legit

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    when I was younger I used to not like it very much...but as I've gotten older (ripe old age of 27 now) the movie has grown on me...while it's definitely 3rd in my rankings behind the first two it's still infinitely better than most of the other shit we've been given through the years...I also LOVE that they killed off Hicks and Newt because nobody Ridley loves is supposed to survive...she's supposed to be all alone...Cameron just couldn't leave out the semi happy ending and I'm glad Fincher murdered it right off the bat

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 and 4

    by puto tenax

    Stories were horrible. 3 had some great direction and 4, well, I guess Joss had a lot of re-writes. Just not up to par with the first 2. Would like to see what Blomkamp would do.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Ridley = Ripley

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Even the Behind the Scenes pics for Alien 3 suck

    by Jehovahs_Witness

    Look at that horrible lighting.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    That hurt

    by smudgewhat

    Ow my fuckin head. Why are you so mean Alien??

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Killing off Hicks and Newt was absolutely stupid.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Agreed. It's the fundamental flaw with the film and it serves up a sour taste right off the bat. (Others may claim that killing them off-screen was "ballsy", I found it to be rather insulting and lazy.) The movie would have been better served if Newt and Hicks had survived and been an integral part of the story.<P>I always thought that a funny idea would have been for all three characters (Ripley, Hicks, & Newt) to be impregnated with alien queens. At the very end of the film, they hold hands and jump together, as one, into the pit of molten liquid. The little, newly formed family commits the ultimate sacrifice...<P>...GOING OUT IN A BLAZE OF FIERY, CHEST-BURSTING GLORY!!!<P>HALLELUJAH, BROTHERS!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST

    FracturedLojak

    by thommcg

    So? Everyone who worked on it hated it, they still released it anyway.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 - Bald English men running through dark

    by John_McClanes_Vest

    tunnels. Cool pic tho

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    What a waste of a BtSPotD.

    by Flip63Hole

    After all the great directors and movies celebrated, we get Fincher and Alien3? You kidding me? Can't really say anything good about it other than if you cut it down to 4 minutes and put a pop song behind it, it would look like a music video...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I guess it's cool to hate on Aliens now...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...because Cameron did it and love Alien 3 because Fincher did it right?<p> I saw Alien 3 in the theater. I came out of the theater pissed off and with a headache. Killing off Newt and Hicks in the beginning fucking credits DID negate Aliens. I totally understood Fincher was going for emotional nihilism. Doesn't make it satisfying and it doesn't make an enjoyable movie. I felt weighted down after the movie. <p> Yeah, Fincher had balls. The problem was he put em in my mouth. I don't want want balls in my mouth.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is about despair

    by Roderich

    and works very well unless you want no new ideas but some kind of ALIENS2. As stated above there were very bold decisions made and executed. I love this movie as much as Alien and Aliens.<p>Sad that Alien4 did not work. although it is much better when you know beforehand, that it was intended as some sort of cruel comedy. But there were so many problems that is just doesn't deliver. Major problem numero uno: Winona Rider, the most boring and unconvincing "android" ever... What a shitty performance.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Dark, depressing mood

    by PedroM

    the atmosphere is amazing in this movie, the acting is fine. I kinda always liked this movie and after watching the new cut on the quadrilody dvd, it gained even more my respect. Fincher still must be having nightmares to this day relating to the making of the movie.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Even if you think Newt and Hicks should have died...

    by rbatty024

    to suggest that they should have died off screen is absolutely idiotic. Let's take a couple of deaths that could be dramatic and iconic, and just make them blaze. Anyone who argues that killing these characters nonsensically in the beginning of the film for no reason is "ballsy" reveals that they know nothing about film.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 pretty much sucked

    by johnnyangelheart

    Alien 3 pretty much sucked the whole way through. I don't really remember anything that was very cool about Alien 3. On the other hand Alien Resurrection was pretty good up until Baby Alien showed up three quarters of the way through. Alien Resurrection had a good set up, good characters (the resurrected Ripley and the crew of smugglers) and it had some good action scenes (swimming underwater through the kitchen). All of that was pretty memorable. Of course the ending sucked a horse's ass, but still that makes Alien Resurrection three quarters better than Alien 3.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Rex

    by PedroM

    Ripley´s daughter and Hicks/Newt´s deaths are totally diferent. I couldnt care less for her daughter, now for Hicks and Newt, yes. But i see where you coming from.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Everytime theres a Alien talkback, i´ll mention this

    by PedroM

    Baby Alien design = major fuck up.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Not only does the story suck.....

    by Jehovahs_Witness

    ...but the movie looks like shit. Horrible lighting. He used fish-eye lenses for some scenes. No texture to what you're watching at all. The first 2 films were claustrophobic, too...but they were compelling. This one looked like an episode of Degrassi Junior High.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection

    by StarWarsRedux

    I'll take Fincher's fuck-ups over Whedon's any day. The ending of A3 especially is glorious, both tragic and triumphant at the same time. Shame it had to be ruined by Ripley 2.0.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Aliens 3. Franchise killer

    by shutupfanboy

    Alien and Aliens are awesome if not classic films and Aliens 3 took a giant dump on them. I agree you don't kill the survivors of Aliens in the first 2 minutes. If you couldn't get the contracts then do something else or if Weaver was too much of a bitch then go with the Gibson script which was a thousand times more interesting.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Yes, it's flawed

    by NoQuarter

    but the Quadrilogy version of Alien3 really improves the mechanical flow of the plot. And goddamn but I love the mood and Ripley's despair. While I can see why people hate it, I personally feel like the deaths of Hicks and Newt revealed a very compelling aspect of Ripley as a character. Alien3 is flawed, but still a winner in my book.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Alien3 and 20/20...

    by UltimaRex

    The biggest problem with this now is that we've suffered through <i>worse</i> since. Alien3 is far better than both AvP movies, the star wars prequels and a good few more. So now rose-coloured glasses and apologies abound and I don't know exactly where to stand.<p> I'm still not sure it should be on BTSPotD though...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Alien3=lazy film making

    by HamburgerEarmuffs

    Being dark and killing off characters doesnt mean its a good movie.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I hated how Ali wasn't with Daniel in Karate Kid 2!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Yet, somehow, it still ended up being a decent movie.<P>Instead of bitching about how Newt and Hicks were killed in A3, explain how they would have _fit_ into that movie. Especially Newt. Doubt things would have worked out very well for her on a prison planet.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I don't think saying that Alien 3...

    by rbatty024

    isn't as bad as the absolute worst bottom of the barrel shit, is exactly the best defense.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:54 p.m. CST

    It DOES negate Aliens

    by cool_britannia79

    I've said that since it was first released. So, I just don't consider Alien 3 as part of the real Alien story. Franchise ended with Aliens, perfect way to finish it. Unless Jim wants an aged Weaver, Biehn and Newt to wake up on an Alien occupied Earth....Bishop still looks the same Henriksen looks the same anyway

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    I'll take Episode III and maybe ATOC over Alien3 any day

    by shutupfanboy

    People got to stop shoving the prequels out there as justification for everything. Episode III was everything the prequels needed to be and didn't do anything retarded like kill Obi-wan and Yoda then replace with clones. Newt and Hicks would have been ok in the prison planet add more danger for Newt then just the aliens. Plus this wasn't the original script anyway.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Alien3

    by ObiBen

    Whilst not that good, has some great moments in it. When I first saw it, I hoped that Fincher would get a second crack at a Hollywood project because I thought the direction and photography was pretty awesome. There was a genuine mood of doom and gloom coming out of the movie, similar to the one in the last act of the first film. He then returned and knocked it out of the park with Se7en. Alien Resurrection was a farce, though.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Such a disappointment

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I remember looking forward to this film with an almost insane level of anticipation, waiting, waiting...getting a little bit of poor pre-Internet buzz from Cinefantastique magazine, but not caring...then seeing it, wanting so badly to love it, and just walking out absolutely deflated. It just felt wrong from the beginning. I knew ten minutes in that it wasn't going to work, but I just kept hoping somehow it would pull if off, but nope. Even what is arguably Weaver's best work of the series couldn't save it. It's just a schizophrenic mess of a movie. The director's cut is an improvement, but ultimately still a failure.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    Alien3 ...

    by Yer_Maw

    ... is great. Properly, outright, great. The Alien series is the only franchise I can think of where I genuinely like all the entries (not including the AvP stuff) - the first is a classic, obviously, the second a great action movie (and I generally do not like Cameron at all), the third is a gem and the fourth, while not in the class of the others, is still a lot of fun.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    shutupfanboy

    by ObiBen

    One of the first scripts involved Ripley with seven dwarf monks on a hollow wooden planet and no alien at all. (I am not kidding) Episode III and especially Episode II are bad cartoons, not movies, and proof that retardedness can be achieved in a much more glorious way then simply killing off characters. They turned Yoda into Crazy Frog, for god's sake!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    And I don't think

    by I am_NOTREAL

    killing Hicks and Newt really took balls, from what I understand it was done because Biehn wanted too much money and they would've needed another actress for Newt since seven years had passed. So it was really just a craven studio decision.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    And about the BTS picture

    by ObiBen

    That's the kind of stuff that made me interested in FX in the first place. Slight of hand + economy of resources + sheer ingenuity + Art = movie magic.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Not so bad

    by dmatheny

    Great cinematography! But the movie doesn't even compare to Alien or Aliens. I don't think it's as bad as people say though. Ending would have been amazing if the 1st and 2nd act were better.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I saw Alien III on DVD

    by redkamel

    and remember it was stupid, with an unclear plot, no good characters, and an unimiganitve setting (a prison? why not Earth?) I was about 12-13 at the time though. It also felt totally different than the other movies. Reminds me of Riddick but without the cheese.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    It takes no balls at all

    by Hipshot

    To kill off beloved characters created by another artist. Especially if you have no ability to create characters people care about as much. It is the childish impulse to destroy what others have built. Killing Newt and Hicks was a cowardly, stupid, dishonest thing to do. Not for an instant do I believe the queen laid a pod in the hybernation chamber. We SEE that the proto-aliens never travel far in search of prey. How exactly did this infection happen? It's bullshit meant to disturb the audience. And I repeat again: note the autopsy sequence on Newt. Later in the film, Ripley is revealed to have an embryo implanted in her (yeah, right--and no one saw the hybernation chamber wall burned through? Exactly how did this happen?) but they used a flouroscope to reveal the embryo. If they had such technology, why perform the autopsy on Newt? One reason only: they killed and mutilated a little girl for the entertainment of the audience. Alien 3 is one of the vilest major studio films I've ever seen, and it's taken me years to begin to forgive Fincher for that one.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Typical dialog: "Fuck Fuck Fuckity Fuck Fuck"

    by FlandersBum

    I think "Fuck" was the only obscenity the residents of the prison planet knew. C'mon, couldn't they have done a 'shit' or 'damn!' or 'Jesus Christ!' or some other word?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:39 p.m. CST

    i love alien3. <p>negate alien resurrection plz.

    by alice133

    glad they killed off leftovers from aliens. <p>ur not in kansas anymore.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by HansBubi

    ...is our Talkbacker of the Day. Congratulations, AsimovLives. Yesterday's honoree was RPLocke. Until tomorrow...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    DAMN...............

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    That's a nasty pick. Bad fucking Ass! <p> I remember going to the theater after class to catch Aliens (to the 3rd power) <p> I was totally pissed how Fincher handled Newt and Hicks but I thought about it for a sec.... Hicks was severely injured, The man did get Aliens blood acid all over him and the addition of Newt could've very easily made a bad hack version of what made ALIENS so memorable. She was on a prison planet where the inhabitants tried to gang fuck her... Newt would've been toast <p> Fincher's Alien flick was claustrophobic, nightmarish and it fucking crawled with lice or a bedbug infestation which was fucked up by itself, To have a half dog half Alien running around without conventional weaponry mind you and a Charles S. Dutton "I have a dream speech" was enough to entertain me until Fight Club came around. <p> You guys have to remember the movie franchise is called Alien, Not the Newt and Hicks show.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Alien and Alien3 have more in common...

    by KubricksBellEnd

    ...than Alien and Aliens. The first and third films are essentially British movies - and have a gothic sensibility that gives a certain credibility to the story. Whereas Aliens is an American movie. When I first saw it, I thought it was a joke, a piss-take of the original, because whereas Scott and Fincher had a lightness of touch, Cameron smashes everything over your head with a sledgehammer. He is not the master of subtle. Aliens is just a dumb action movie, where as Alien and Alien3 takes a little brain, which is why the average Yank just don't get them...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Imagine Return Of The Jedi...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...revealing that Han Solo and Chewie had died off-screen inbetween Empire and Jedi. *That's* just how insulting Alien 3 is to the legacy of its immediate predecessor. It's like the Kraaken in POTC: DMC being set up as the ultimate badass monster, and then being told it was killed off between that film and POTC: AWE. What a FUCKING gyp.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    "Alien and Alien3 takes a little brain" -KubricksBellEnd

    by Jehovahs_Witness

    So you're saying you have a little brain? J/K

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Fincher got fucked..

    by BookhouseBoy

    ..ahem, by the studio. Its amazing the film turned out as well as it did. The CGI looks sooo dated now though. Jurassic Park was still a year away.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Nasty In The Pasty

    by ObiBen

    Maybe it would have spared us an unconvinced performance by Ford (understandable, his character was reduced to a pile of self-aware clichés) and a jungle swing Tarzan yell.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Fuck Hicks and Newt

    by caruso_stalker217

    Didn't need them in the movie anyway.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST

    LOVE Alien 3

    by Snivilisation

    Fantastic sequel. I like Alien and Aliens better but A3 was solid in it's own right. Killing off Newt and Hicks was the way to go. Ripley had to be alone again. Should have ended the series on this one.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    people die off screen when...

    by alienindisguise

    they don't want to be part of the movie. Quit bitching you stupid loser nerds

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Aliens to me is the ultimate in hit and miss

    by MelGibsonsRacialTirade

    Aliens is bipolar....you never know if you're going to get a good scene or a douche-chill scene. Any scenes involving the "rag tag" goonies-esque military gang is awful. Bad comedy...bad casting...bad acting. If you cut them from the movie it would be a lot better. Also, every single one of those cliches appears in Avatar, which is why I hate Avatar - how many fucking sassy military chicks is James Cameron going to recycle?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 - overrated garbage.

    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    A G

    by high fidelity

    I'm 22. I saw the first one when I was twelve and the sequels just never hit me like the first one did. It could be that I was always expecting them to scare the shit out of me like the first one. I don't know. I do want to finish Aliens at some point because I don't think I gave it much of a chance.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is complete garbage

    by kevred

    Nothing redeemable about it. It's not gutsy, it's just stupid. There are only 2 real Alien films, and that's all there'll ever be, most likely.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 fucking sucks.

    by disfigurehead

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST

    The CGI doesnt look dated

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    because I assume you mean the Alien, which was achieved with go motion. There is very little CG in Alien 3.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Bunch of limp wristed faggots ....

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Alien 3 is awesome ..... 'OH, they killed my favorite characters' ..... BOOO HOOOO. Weak cunts, man up.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I_amNOTREAL-

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    Remember reading that Biehn commented he was paid more for use of his "likeness" in Alien3 than role in "Aliens". So, irony...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    And Cameron...

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    recall comments about Cameron being absolutely livid with the killing of Newt/Hicks characters in that fashion, though I'm sure that's no big surprise

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Except for the sex scene, I like Alien3.

    by Royston Lodge

    The sex scene seems WAY tacked-on and out of place.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Was watching on VHS

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    as a 10 year old, impressionable boy and sci-fi film fan, and remember managing only a weak "wha?" when the fates of Newt and Hicks were revealed in the opening moments. Had to rewind to make sure that was real. Alas, it was. Though I still rather dislike that choice, years on I do appreciate the fact that this wasn't Aliens:Part II, much as Cameron didn't try to replicate Alien. Still the concept of Alien3 sounds more promising on paper than the realized result, and can't help think of the myriad changes or directions they could have gone with in development of the 3rd film.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Alien3 was probably the most interesting of the series,

    by MotherPussBucket

    with Alien the most gripping, Aliens the coolest and Resurrection the weirdest. I love the fact that Alien is a franchise that doesn't look or feel like a franchise

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott's Alien

    by Gwynplaine

    is the only great Alien film.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:10 p.m. CST

    so we all agree though Alien Resurrection sucked right?

    by slder78

    I renew my call for anyone to provide an example of Whedon's movie work that is at least generally acclaimed. And no, Speed does not count. Neither does Toy Story. He didn't create those characters on his own, rewrites aren't eligible. Every director takes notes from the studio, even Kubrick.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott's Alien was a cross between 2001 and Jaws

    by Jehovahs_Witness

    Instead of having HAL, you had the android Ian Holm going berzerk. And then you had the alien, which was shown minimally to build suspense until the end. It was like taking Kubrick's 2001 in terms of setting, atmosphere, and even some of the plot points, and then adding an Alien to it ripping off Spielberg's use of suspense. It's not as original as many would like to think.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was fine

    by lochkray

    I liked it. I remember going to the theatre and being surprised by the change in tone and characters as well, but it was a good movie. Weakest of the trilogy (and Ressurection was just crap - an Aliens comedy? WTF?) but I still think it was a solid movie that suffered from studio interference and indecision. What's funny is that the main problem people have with the movie (complete amputation of everythign that happened in Aliens) is the one thing that would have been constant in all of the drafts. Personally, I still have a bigger problem with how the eggs got on the Sulaco to begin with. The queen dropped her egg sack. When she chased Ripley up the elevator shaft to the platform, she wasn't carrying any eggs. I'm more bothered that the powers that be never bothered to come up with a rational explination how the eggs got there than the decision to knock off Hicks and Newt.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:37 p.m. CST

    ALIEN 3

    by Sailor Rip

    Oh what could have been...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is a beautiful work of art

    by kwisatzhaderach

    and Fincher was right to kill off Newt and Hicks. Ripley is doomed to be a solitary figure, how crap would a third Alien film have been with Hicks and Newt following Ripley around? Fincher took a brave creative decision and it paid off in spades, too bad Fox didn't back him all the way.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Fincher vs Cameron

    by Thall_Joben

    IMO Cameron's an over rated talentless prick, Fincher's a genius. Aliens was a brain dead infantile reductionist pile of crap, Alien 3 was better by a light year. Titanic sucked, Avatar was unimaginitve crap and Piranha 2 was his best film. Discuss x

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    This Thread

    by mastes360

    I started reading the first few comments but i had to stop, post this, then exit sharply. Not only am i a huge Alien series fan but ALIENS is my favorite film of all time, its close to perfection and is arguably the most quoted sci-fi film of all time. Secondly Alien3 along with Predator 2 is probably the most underrated sequel of all time, people on here don't know class when they see it, go back to your Bayformers crap!.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    The fact that RPLocke thinks Alien 3 is garbage

    by kwisatzhaderach

    tells you how good it really is.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:50 p.m. CST

    AnakinsDiapers

    by Sailor Rip

    I don't know what all these geezers are on about. <p> It is NEVER cool, nor will it ever be, to hate on ALIENS.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Android - Asparagus

    by ObiBen

    Thanks for that, made me chuckle! That would make great "reality" show material!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Aliens shows one thing

    by tomimt

    and that is how good design and direction can lift a mediocre writing.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I am_NOTREAL

    by Munro Kelly

    I had the exact same experience as you. I read the same issue of Cinefantastique, I still have it, and I really wanted to like it, but I didn't. I don't blame Fincher, the direction and cinematography was good. I blame the studio for going with this story. I saw the original teaser, that hinted of going to earth, and the audience snapped, that's the movie we wanted to see.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip

    by caruso_stalker217

    I think we all know what ALIEN³ could have been. There are many shitty scripts out there to prove it.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by Sailor Rip

    Nwet being on a prison planet of all men. That could have added...what's the word...tension. We got Ripley the mother in ALIENS, we could have got Hicks the father in 3. He's looking after Newt, rallying the inmates with his military training. Taking charge. <p> And I wish Bishop was somehow repaired and played an active role in 3. <p> Look. I don't hate Alien 3, it's just a dissapointment compared to what could have been.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    TurquoiseNapalm

    by Sailor Rip

    You're right. Alien 3 wasn't ALIENS:2 it was ALIEN:2 just without everything that makes the first a classic

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by RPLocke

    You really enjoy shit movies don't you? Fuck head.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST

    caruso_stalker217

    by Sailor Rip

    The Gibson script is rough but with a few drafts it could have been great. They really needed to get rid of that whole "the change" thing. That's one reason I'm glad that thing didn't get made. But again I think that is on of the aspects that would have dissapeared in future drafts.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST

    The Aliens comics that were out at the time

    by RPLocke

    were far better than Aliens 3 and 4.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Still whining about Newt & Hicks' death...

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    ...when will drooling sci-fi fanboys get over it? ALIEN 3 is a refreshing chance of direction. Yes, I said refreshing, because the shock value of the first 20 minutes of the movie concerning the death of the "beloved" characters in ALIENS, with Newt's grisly autopsy, is imprinted on the mind. It's horrifying (like losing the member of a family or dog -- but only a movie) but haunting.<p>What the heck do you want, holding hands to sing harmony and dance in the corridors while dog alien pursues to tongue-rape the victims? Screw that. Fincher's direction, while visually splendid considering his youthful age at 27, is better than average, helped by the strong script drafted by the team Hill, Giler and Ferguson, with story conceived by Vincent Ward, who originally envisioned a wooden planet populated with sexually frustrated perv monks (thankfully almost never realized, despite early production development of wooden planet setting). ALIEN 3 would be an unique and excellent entry if not for studio interference that butchered the cut to confusion and near incomprehensibly for theatrical release. I can safely say ALIEN 3 is the most watched film of the quadrilogy, theatrical and assembly cuts, and I am still fascinated by the background history of this troubled production. Who cares about Hicks and Newt's death in service of the story? If they were alive, the film might as well not exist as demanded by fanboys and James Cameron.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    BadWaldo s Revenge

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Spot on my man.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Never liked Alien 3

    by Shaner Jedi

    The first two were great though. But they shoulda stopped there unless they could get Cameron or Scott back.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah they went into a new direction all right

    by Shaner Jedi

    and paved the way for the utter crap that was Alien 4 and the Alien/Predator trash.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I have a hard time complaining about Alien3...

    by HansBubi

    ...when Alien Vs. Predator was so lacking in thrills, suspense, conflict, drama, horror, action, alien, predator, etc. Instead we got a lot of humans getting involved in the situation and getting in the way of what was promised by the movie's title.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Aliens is stupid and annoying

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    The marine characters are all irritating. They got their moronic james cameron dialogue and all they do is panic and whine and shoot off at nothing. The whole concept is to see badasses with guns take on a bunch of aliens but you only ever see shots of marines firing their guns at nothing, there's like two instances where it cuts to an alien getting shot. It's just a shitty execution of an interesting concept.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Love all the fanboy Aliens/Cameron bashing to prop

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    up this disgrace of a movie. Alien 3 is studio-driven monkey vomi,t barely salvaged by a few grace notes courtesy of a talented director.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:37 p.m. CST

    ALIEN 3 SUCKS

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE. UWE BOLLS NEW MOVIE RAMPAGE IS BETTER THAN ALIEN 3. GO SEE RAMPAGE ITS AWESOME LOL

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I think

    by Nigel_Coolbeard

    these pieces would be more interesting without the headline that doesn't always make sense and without Quint's thoughts on the movies themselves. Just having the picture would probably be a more powerful visual than to dilute it with all that text.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    It would of been more ballsy to keep Newt alive.

    by [STARS]TyranT

    Newt alive on a prison full of rapists and murders. Picture the scene. Newt gets attacked by a child molesting inmate, the the Alien then intervenes and annihilated said child molester. That would of been far more ballsy - for the first time in cinema history you would of properly cheered Gigers Alien - without it being cope out ala AVP.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was 114 minutes of 1992 I'll never get back

    by tangcameo

    And I think it was my first experience of seeing a beloved movie get shitted right down the toilet by it's sequel. ...oh wait I forgot about Back To The Future II

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is not a bad movie.its just the wrong 3rd Actl

    by KilliK

    for an almost perfect cinematic story.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was good,but the Dark Horse comics were better

    by Wormie1

    Considering the torturous process of assembling the Alien 3 script, it seems ridiculous that Fox didn't just adapt the first three Aliens series from Dark Horse. They were much more epic, and focussed initially on Hicks and Newt ten years on from Aliens before bringing back Ripley at the end of Book Two. They could've made 2-3 movies out of that storyline. As a result of Alien 3, DH had to bring out remastered versions of those books in which Hicks and Newt were renamed and Ripley was an android (and these were based on prose adaptations of the original comics). Weird!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:03 p.m. CST

    oh and dont forget: James Cameron = King of the Universe

    by KilliK

    Fuck off haters.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Actl = Act

    by KilliK

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by Thall_Joben

    ALiens will eventualy be seen for the unoriginal seen it a thousand times war movie cliche that it is. Alien 3 will gorw in peoples opinions as they realise how daring it was despite its shortcomings. It's still an incredible movie.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Oh

    by Thall_Joben

    And Cameron's still a prick, le's stop giving him our money till he learns to be a decent human being.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    I'm getting Cameron troll signals...2 meters...

    by ObiBen

    ...wait! That can't be right...They would be inside the room!...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    "It's reading right man, look!"

    by TurquoiseNapalm

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    The score for Alien 3

    by Badger23

    Say what you want about the film, but Goldenthal's score for Alien 3 was top-notch.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Aliens

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    Funny, after the initial "wow" factor of Avatar wore off (which it did rather quickly in retrospect) I thought of how cliched the story and dialogue is-the "you're not in Kansas anymore" line ringing continuously in my ear. And with Aliens, which I rate as Cameron's best, the general story and dialogue aren't exactly original (Starship Troopers influence and Vietnam allegory, etc.)but somehow on a whole Aliens is a damn near perfect cinematic experience. Really shows how actors, the pacing, musical score and the overall execution of a film's concept can elevate even the most trite material. Think Aliens has aged better than both T2 and Alien3 and with Die Hard & Predator are definitive action movies. There were interesting elements of Alien3, notably the British cast and implementation of the no-weapons-for-defense problem (the complete opposite of Aliens) but it doesn't feel as realized. Suppose most of the engaging debate involves the studio vs. Fincher influence and what coulda been...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I LOVE the fact that Cameron's an epic prick...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    And how much this pisses off his detractors, particularly since he's so damn good that there is absolutely nothing they can say against him that doesn't come off as feeble, impotent whining. You need people like that; people who get the job done and don't give a flying fuck what others think of them. Long may it continue!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    FUCK AVATARD

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    FUCK CAMERON. THE END OF ABYSS SUCKED. AVATRD = FERNGULLY IN SPACE STARRING PAPA SMURF

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    "which it did rather quickly in retrospect"

    by KilliK

    yeah thats why it broke the bluray/dvd records 6months after its theatrical release,and also its special edition re-release has surpasses in grosses the total grosses of TDK and LOTR together.yeah it died quickly all right...

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    TurquoiseNapalm - True

    by ObiBen

    Aliens is Cameron's best. But to be honest, even on the first viewing the wow factor wore off after the nth shooting gallery sequence with critters s'ploding in bursts of acid. Hicks pants getting a size smaller when Ripley asked to know everything about his big gun was also pretty contrived and pre-pubere, but hey. Good thing the final act and Lance Henrikson picked everything up in the end. Would have been even better without the ubiquitous Horner "ooh..this is suspensful" anvil clanging.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:41 p.m. CST

    They didn't have to DIE!

    by GeorgieBoy

    Jeez, if they couldn't be in the third movie they could have been WRITTEN OUT. Newt goes to live with her grandparents and Hicks goes to rehab. Jeez. <br><br> And stop defending this pile of crap. They promised us an *EARTH* overrun with aliens, not some backwater prison planet full of people NO ONE cared about. If they had DELIVERED on their promise, no of this "But Newt would be raped by criminals!" crap wouldn't even exist. Hello? They could have made the story anyway they wanted. Choosing a prison planet was a BAD MOVE. <br><br> Alien 3 was no better than a Friday the 13th style slasher movie. Even Fincher himself hates this movie! No character development, no story advancement, and not even any "thrills." (You know when it's coming, this is NOT scary.) And lets not even go into the continuity problems. (Hello? Egg on the Sulaco?!) <br><br> Face it, Alien 3 is a boring, contradictory, derivative pile of crap genned up for not other reason than to capitalize on the popularity of the first 2 great movies. As far as I'm concerned, it ended with ALIENS and everything after it is a nightmare (which is just as literally true as figuratively.)

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Killik

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    I'm speaking of my perceptions after watching it-and didn't exactly hammer it for being a shit movie or anything. I didn't speak at all about its box office performance, record breaking and what have you. For some of the harsher critics out there, all those box office records and money can inversely represent the opposite of your claims- specifically that its a movie for the masses, i.e. "dumb" people. N'Sync broke all kinds of statistics and records, too. It was definitely an achievement, but not Cameron's best in my view.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    ObiBen

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    Your points are duly noted, sir. Considering all the friction between Cameron and Horner and down-to-the-wire deadline, I do think the score is rather good, even though it is a pastiche of other music, i.e. the "addagio" piece from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was indeed a cheap slasher in space

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Good cinematography and acting, but it amounted to little more than a cheap rod puppet massacring anonymous bald men in grimy corridors. If it wasn't for Fincher's classy touches it would rank as no more than straight-to-video level sci fi horror.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    TurquoiseNapalm

    by ObiBen

    Wasn't aware, or didn't remember, about the friction between the two. Horner picking up cues elsewhere doesn't bother me as much as his endless recycling of his own material. And "oooh, suspense!" anvil clanging.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7 p.m. CST

    Suspense!

    by ObiBen

    Clang! tagadda-tagadda Clang! The Reliant! tagadda-tagadda Clang! The Alien Queen! tagadda-tagadda Clang! The ship's sinking! tagadda-tagadda Clang! Rogue wave! tagadda-tagadda Clang! Anywhere else?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    OMG ALIEN 3!!!!

    by RPLocke

    Alien is such a shitty franchise.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:15 p.m. CST

    TurquoiseNapalm

    by KilliK

    oh i thought you were talking about the general consensus,not about yourself.ok then. "specifically that its a movie for the masses, i.e. "dumb" people." <p>if thats your belief,then Inception,Matrix1,POTC1,LOTR,SW-OT etc are bad or mediocre movies.just saying.. <p>and noone said that Avatar is Cameron's best movie or the best movie ever made.In fact i personally consider The Abyss as Cameron's best film.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Good points brought up on why this movie sucks shit

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    Slasher in space. Yup. But not even a good slasher. At least in Friday the 13th you see hot chicks with jiggling boobs getting decapitated. Alien 3 is a bunch of "random bald dudes we don't care about." Seriously, what were they fucking thinking with that god-awful storyline? It was a complete and utter mind-boggling disaster.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    WAS THIS THE ONE WITH CHARLES F. DUTTON?

    by BringingSexyBack

    It fucking sucked!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    OOOH A DOG ALIEN!!!

    by RPLocke

    So scary.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Killik-

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    yeah i shoulda clarified, especially after reading my comment and how it came off. Didnt dislike Avatar, just felt a little underwhelmed after thinking about its artistic merits and my expectations going in, which to be fair were probably close to impossible to meet. Think a lot of people just kinda got swept up in the hype and felt like it was unpopular to say anything bad against Avatar, like it was sacrilige. Good point about those films mentioned-my whole point was not everything popular or making boatloads of money is necessarily good, but those things don't discount them either.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Dammit ObiBen!!!

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    Now that i've thought about it, i did hate the "clanging" metallic accents towards the end. Even as a kid, it was grating and heavy handed. And about the friction, which seems is inevitable with Cameron or extremely perfectionist directors of his ilk (not saying thats bad) i think it was discussed on the special edition. That Cameron and Horner basically hated each other and only after Horners Braveheart score and them kissing and making up around that time, Cameron wanting his services for Titanic, did they come to a working relationship. Find it telling that Cameron works repeatedly with certain actors who probably "get him", i.e. Henriksen, Biehn, Arnold, Paxton, who probably have the work ethic and focus required.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    "Rogue wave! tagadda-tagadda Clang!"

    by KilliK

    which movie is this from?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Killik

    by ObiBen

    Perfect Storm. Caught it on tv this afternoon. Not a very good movie, but I love Gloucester, so... I'm pretty sure there was a tagadda-clang during the climax, but maybe it was just the anchor against the boat :P

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Tagadda-Clang = Symphonic Wilhelm

    by ObiBen

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:21 p.m. CST

    ALIEN 3 - great flick

    by slone13

    Fuck all y'all dumb douches that think otherwise

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Ans ALIENS, while great, is so fucking overrated

    by slone13

    True story

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I don't get the hicks and newt killing hate

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    That was a huge shocker for me when i first saw the film, Right away i knew i was in for a bumpy ride where anything could happen. It made ripley's story more real, Life takes from you in an instant, not when it's convienient to the plot. Alien 3 haters can choke on a dick

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 raped my childhood

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    that was one of the biggest disappointments ever. biggest piece of shit movie almost ever. almost as bad as Phantom Menace. Worse than Crystal Skullfuck.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Newt was the most annoying thing about ALIENS

    by slone13

    Mostly.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    OV ER RATED!!!

    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Goddammit, slone13! [slams big gun on table]

    by ObiBen

    You are correct.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Just WHY did all the characters have to be bald?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    In know the narrative reason (shaving their heads due to space lice), but what possible DRAMATIC reason was there for the ENTIRE CAST to be bald? You have a cast made up of almost entirely unknown British character actors, you shoot them constantly from low angles to make them even HARDER to distinguish from each other, then to cap it all off, you shave their freaking heads?! You look at the other Alien movies (yes, even Ressurection), all each one is filled with vivid, DISTINCT characterizations, and yet in Alien 3, you're treated to endless scenes of interchangable, bald British guys running down the SAME 30 feet of dankly lit corridor as they're picked off one by one. That's fun...?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Nasty

    by ObiBen

    You have to embrace the baldness.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    The preview for Alien 3 said: In 1979 we learned

    by UltraTron

    that in space no one can hear you scream. In 1992, everyone on earth can hear you scream... I saw that trailer in the theater and thought to myself- Ok here we fucking go with the earth battle promised from the 1st movie. If just one of those things gets to earth it's all out mech colonial marine super battles just like in the darkhorse comics. Still waiting for the films to catch up to late 80s darkhorse comics. But not only did the trailer lie about them coming to earth- the fucking ship could have just crashed into an asteroid in the opening credits-fuckit everybody dies just fuckit! Well ok if that happened in the opening credits and then you showed us all out mech vs aliens earthwar and blew our minds like Cameron once again. But we were treated to prolonged nothing in the middle of nowhere. In fact the whole point of these films was to get these things into the hands of the bioweapons division so they could escape and run rampant on earth and fight in all out battle for the fate of earth. So basically Alien 3 ends the storyline by dropping off a cliff. It's just garbage best forgotten. So I hear Ridley is going back to talk about them space jockeys that we learned in VS were the weapon masters of the predators. They created the aliens from their own DNA to be the ultimate killing machines for the predator rituals. That's a weapons cargo vessel that crashed because even the creators of the aliens can't handle em. Also weyland/Yutani recognizes the distress signal as the same language found in the arctic site on earth. Ya see we can still get to earth war guys. All the seeds are still there waiting for harvest. I hope Ridley's film gives us some avatar colonial marine mech action and not some more low rent spookhouse bullshit. When Cameron elevated the series to action sci/fi horror/thriller epic cornea fuck levels there was no going back to that shit. You now have a franchise that needs to exist at the epic as fuck level or it will always fail.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 9:26 p.m. CST

    All You Alien 3 Haters

    by dumbpeoplesuck

    I totally agree for all the very same reasons...since the day it hit theaters.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 9:55 p.m. CST

    dumbpeoplesuck

    by Jehovahs_Witness

    Your post took me by surprise. I thought you were going to say something like, "All you Alien 3 Haters...you can go suck a dick.." But then you agreed with people who hate Alien 3, and I was like, "This guy...this guy...I like this guy..."

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is not a great film

    by A_Banned_Apart

    but I like it and its bizarre wedging of Kubler-Ross/AIDS metaphor themes into what was intended to be a big blockbuster in spite of its failings...since the day it hit theaters.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Imma let ya' finish, but I gotta say that Aliens..

    by BubbaDestructo

    ..is one of the greatest sci-fi films of ALL TIME!

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Right up there with Crystal Skull...

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    as one of my biggest cinematic heartbreaks of all time, and it wasn't killing Hicks and Newt offscreen, it was everything that came after that. Maybe I was just a little too old for Crystal Skull, but I saw Alien3 in my early twenties and thought it was shit. Fincher's only bad movie really. It's nowhere as bad as the AVP movies but it's not even in the same league as the first two.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Good points Ultratron and Nasty

    by KilliK

    With A2 Ripley's character was developed more,evolved and found final resolution by the end of the film.Her story was complete but still the concept of the alien threat,which was a big theme of the two movies,was left open. <P>Then came A3 and instead of focusing and expanding the theme of the alien threat which was already established marvelously in A1 and especially A2,what basically did was to RETCON the end of A2 in order to give a different more dramatic and pessimistic take and final resolution to Ripley's character. <p>Thats the problem with A3,it works more as an independent branched story instead as the direct continuation of a general storyline which A2 tried so hard to set as a direct followup to A1 story's. <p>But what really A3 fucks up,is not only that it essentially gives us an unnecessary remake of Ripley's character development and resolution,but it degrades the idea of the Alien creature,as something which represents the Unknown and the fear and fascination that surrounds thus it is beyond the character of Ripley and everything else,into your typical serial-killer-stalker from a b-movie horror series,who has a grudge with the heroine from the first movie and in every god damn sequel he returns from the dead to kill her. <p>Take for example the first Hellraiser movie.The movie was not about Pinhead as a serial killer and Kristy his nemesis.Heck the movie was not even about the Cenobites as your typical monsters killing people,there was more to them as they represented allegorically the bad consequences that the Lust has as a sin. <p>but in each sequel,that notion was diminished,because Pinhead became a stereotypical horror monster who killed people and wanted to rule the world because he was evil and most importantly he had a PERSONAL connection with the protagonist of the movie. <p>That caused him to become an attraction for the horror movie fans instead of a story device,a concept,an idea,which was used to help the first movie to explore various subjects. <P>The same happened with Freddy Kruger,Michael Myers (jesus 20 years later and still hunting his sister),Jason and with the Alien in Alien3. <p>In A1 we have that lovecraftian ,never before seen ,cosmic horror,in A2 that horror is diminished a bit but still remains strong and what do we have in A3? a guardian dog which protects its mother,which happens to be Ripley,from the bad guys.JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. <p>and in A4 things are even worse,that diminishing return of the movie monster reaches new heights,because now the personal connection between the monster and the heroine solidifies: <p>Ripley becomes half human and half alien and makes sex with them. Thus the cosmic horror has been tamed,has been brought down to own levels,it has become intimate,now we can relate to the monster as well and even show sympathy towards it instead of fear. <p>and thats why A3 and A4 have ruined the franchise.fuck them.and fuck Scott too because i dont believe that he will manage to resurrect the series,now now that he tries to explain everything.fuck him too.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Nasty in the Pasty....um, the reason they were all bald

    by tritium

    was clearly explained in the film. The prison was infested with lice, so everyone had to have a shaved head.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Nevermind...Nasty

    by tritium

    Somehow I missed your very first sentence. My bad.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Weaver went from A list star to starring in shit Alien movies

    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    I think Alien 3 is pretty ok.

    by Yelsaeb

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    EXCEPT

    by Yelsaeb

    Hicks and Newt dieing.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    WOW KILIK I KINDA THOUGHT YOU WERE A SEMI

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    RETARDED FUCK TARD. WHERE DID ALL THOSE BIG WORDS COME FROM? DID YOU COPY AND PASTE THAT?

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    A prison full of bald gay dudes!!!

    by RPLocke

    A Blade Runner's fans fantasy come true.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    So why is the Alien killing all the potential hosts?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It's not threatened (no weapons), it's not hungry, it's not avenging something... oh yeah, that's right. Alien 3 is just Jason in a rubber suit.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Not hungry?

    by ObiBen

    Always thought it was the only one containing a scene where you can actually see the critter feeding on a warm body.

  • Sept. 25, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Killik

    by ObiBen

    The aliens got de-balled in the previous chapter where they served tin duck duty in a shooting gallery, an apetizer before the big boss fight at the end.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, midnight CST

    I'm gonna sum up Alien 3

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Great fuckin score by Elliot Goldenthal, stunning camerawork, great performances(especially Weaver and Charles S. Dutton), a piss-poor script with some fantastic dialogue, heinous studio interference. <p> Summation = A flawed but interesting experiment in the gothic sci-fi tragedy genre. Compared to most current sci-fi it appears nearly poetic.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Nomoredirtyjokes

    by ObiBen

    Well done.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    "I got a problem with this"

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    "What part?" <p> " The part where we're running around a dark fucking maze with that thing chasing us!"

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 was a fan hype casualty

    by Major_Toms_Helmet

    Because, you know, all they wanted was much more Aliens and royal marines kicking ass. Funny thing is that "fans" got it in Starship Troopers, for good, and in the "ultimate" script by Joss Whedon, for bad, in Alien Resurrect Horse Shit and "fans" didn´t dig that too. Sure,it has some major flaws, but its a pretty decent follow up to Aliens. Its way better than any other Alien film since. Plus, storywise, in mythology the archetype is the virgin, the mother and dead... the Alien trilogy make´s perfect sense if only by mistake.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:28 a.m. CST

    While I'm a Cameron hater

    by ufoclub1977

    I've got to admit the flow and story of Aliens, however stupid, was craftily done. Alien3 while beautiful in it's elements had a weak story, pace, and didn't seem to add up, but it did have this horror-religious feeling which was new to the Alien franchise. I find that if Cameron's ALIENS is on, I don't watch it, even though it was fun in the theater on the first viewing, but now and then it felt like candy from Walmart as opposed to some tripped out Heavy Metal meets a new arthouse organic horror like ALIEN by Ridley Scott and Co. Alien3 is too depressing a mood to rewatch! But Fincher has the visual style that Ridley has and Cameron lacks. Cameron's movie looks cheap with it's blue gels and sharp straight to video lighting and leotard jumping aliens and second rate props. But... he is a masterful story pacer/editor in spite of his horrible taste in some of his mostly scavenged content.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Classic scene in Alien 3 for posterity

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    Yeah, love some classic profane dialogues. Like this- <p>Ripley: This is a maximum security prison, and you have no weapons of any kind? <p> Andrews: We have some carving knives in the abattoir, a few more in the mess hall. Some fire axes scattered about the place - nothing terribly formidable.<p> Ripley: That's all?<p> Andrews: We're on the honor system.<p> Ripley: Then we're fucked.<p> Andrews (rises from chair to stand in bulldog demeanor to look directly at distressed & frustrated Ripley): No, you're *fucked*! <p>RIP Brian Glover, who played a brief but tough warden role, for playing one of the most memorable interactions in film.<p>Nice summary, nomoredirtyjokes. There is symbolism, such as scene with Ripley alone searching for alien and her reference to hell. Alien 3 is classic nihilism, coming from Fincher and the script team who had to knock out scenes in haste time, which explains the strange disconnect in sporadic character development with mostly anonymous bald English guys running around screaming, cursing and getting tongue-raped. Basically a slasher flick, only with better production values and Fincher's trademark nihilistic philosophy outlook.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:35 a.m. CST

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    by TheJudger

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  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Brian Glover is a fucking legend

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Saw him first in An American Werewolf in London. <p> "THATS ENUF!! That's Enuuf!"

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Brian Glover's first performance...as arsehole PE coach

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    From Ken Loach's 1968 film "KES"<p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP66T8ktiTA<p>

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  • Sept. 26, 2010, 2:11 a.m. CST

    ObiBen you didnt get my point

    by KilliK

    What gives value and respect to the Alien creature is not the score of killings and deaths that the Alien achieves in a movie,but what it represents and how that representation is explored in the movie. <p>It is the perfect organism evolved (or designed as we will find out in the prequels.FUCK.) to survive no matter the hostile environment or the threat. That is the quintessential purpose of Natural Evolution. <p>The Alien is not contaminated with emotions,morality or logic.The instinct of survival defines its actions,its biology serves that instinct,the sole purpose of its existence is,well,to exist. <p>Its that pureness that Kane spoke of and admired in the first movie,and i believe this is the main reason that fascinates subconsciously the movie fans and turned the creature into an icon. <p>A1 and A2 respected that idea of the Alien.Yes in A2 they seem to be more vulnerable but they still remain menacing because they remain this unknown,alien,not seen before organism which is determined to survive whatever the cost.(One of the few things i like in A4 was the scene when the aliens kill some other aliens in order to free their Queen.that scene perfectly illustrates the true meaning of the idea of the Alien) <P>But in A3 it doesnt matter if the Alien killed 20 bald guys or 200 marines.Its the idea of the Alien and what it represents that it was degraded,not its badness and its lethal skills. <p>As mi'sInnerChild correctly points in A3,their is no purpose behind the actions of the Alien.There is no instinct of survival here.Sure you can say that it protects Ripley but then again there is only one scene (the doctor) which supports this notion.Everything else is just random,meaningless killings from something which kills simply because the script says it is a bad monster which is there only to kill thus satisfying the appetite of the fans.hell, you yourself just now expressed your disappointment that the Aliens got their ass kicked in A2 instead of annihilating everything. <p>Your Alien in A3 has become your typical celebrity-monster of a horror series,which acts more as an attraction for the fans,rather than being true to its real identity and nature. <p>And that sucks and it will suck even more when Scott will make his stupid prequels.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:18 a.m. CST

    someone said it had amazing camerawork

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    BULLSHIT! all the alien attack scenes were poorly staged and were not scary. this shitfest HAS NO REDEEMING QUALITIES.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:24 a.m. CST

    that would be me Winona.

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Fucking gorgeous film. <p> It has many problems, the camerawork wasn't one of them.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:29 a.m. CST

    cinematography? fine

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    the shot composition sucked however.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:38 a.m. CST

    I never understood the confusion over who's who

    by caruso_stalker217

    So if everybody had hair you'd be able to tell them apart? I don't know about most of you guys, but I usually distinguish between different people by faces and build and so forth. I have no problem following who is who, except when a few random dudes pop up at the end. "It just got Vincent!" I'm not sure who Vincent was. He died off-camera. But the other dudes I recognize.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Sheer amount of balls?

    by Kaitain

    "And that's one of the reasons i have untold amounts of respect for ALIEN3. The sheer amount of balls it took to do that." <p> It would take a huge amount of balls to make Citizen Kane 2 in which Kane returns as a robotic zombie. <p> But as a sequel it would still be a ridiculous piece of shit.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Kaitain

    I agree 100% with your assessment. <p> Alien3 is a fucking miserable, misanthropic, cynical, worthless piece of junk. Nicely filmed, mind.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Hang on a minute

    by Kaitain

    "Instead of bitching about how Newt and Hicks were killed in A3, explain how they would have _fit_ into that movie. Especially Newt." <p> Since when was it necessary to have an existing character either (a) feature prominently in a follow-up story or (b) be killed off? <p> For example, remind me of the scene at the start of The Lost World where Alan Grant, Lex and Tim are killed in a car crash.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Citizen Kane 2: Kane returns as a robotic zombie.

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I'd buy that for a dollar!

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:57 a.m. CST

    caruso_stalker217.. yeah people can be so Baldist!

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 4:19 a.m. CST

    This is rumour control..

    by BookhouseBoy

    ..here are the facts, Alien 3 is a flawed gem of a movie. The opening 5 minutes is probaly my favourite moment from the whole series. Big Balls indeed. And Charles Dance is one suave motherfucker!

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Probably

    by BookhouseBoy

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Charles Dance is the secret weapon

    by caruso_stalker217

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  • Sept. 26, 2010, 4:30 a.m. CST

    caruso_stalker217

    by BookhouseBoy

    I know man. No wonder Ripley stopped her grinnin' and dropped her linen..

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 5:02 a.m. CST

    He nuked her site from orbit

    by caruso_stalker217

    It was the only way to be sure.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Once you get over Hicks and Newt dying

    by L. Ron Bumquist

    there's a lot to love in A3. The whole Nihilistic/Orwellian vibe and pre-digital craftsmanship add up to a world I want to go back to often. Yea, it's bleak as fuck, but so is life.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    ufoclub says:

    by UltraTron

    Cameron's movie looks cheap with it's blue gels and sharp straight to video lighting and leotard jumping aliens and second rate props. Here, here. I totally agree! ..er.. Um.. I mean I guess I would agree if I was a complete and utter fucking moron like ufoclub

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST

    As far as Im concerned Alien 3 does not exist

    by southafricanguy

    There is Alien, and Aliens. End of the story. Everthing after was an abomination, and a giant middle finger to Aliens fans everywhere. I dont give a shit what bullshit the revisionist crowd want to make up now to defendd it, it was crap, its still crap now. Yes, its well filmed, but then Fincher is a great director, but its still a film so utterly and completely flawed conceptually that there is no going back. Alien 3 fucked up, and basically killed the series. End of Story.....

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Walter Hill, David Giler, and that no talent

    by southafricanguy

    asshat Vincent Ward can all go fuck themselves for their rubbish "ideas".

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Looks like a headache...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ouch

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:49 a.m. CST

    And no Asi, it wasnt balls killing off Hicks and

    by southafricanguy

    Newt, it was flat out bad film making. How the fuck does killing two characters off screen, OFF SCREEN!? that the previous film took such care to develop and make the audience care about what happens to them? I have no problem with characters dying, but then make it have some fucking meaning, and I dont know? Deliver a pay off for the audience having invested themselves in said characters? I dont care what you say Asi, but following one of the greatest sequals of all time, a film that perfectly expands the universe of the film it followed, and leaves the door open for unlimited possibilites, with such shitty ideas (a wooden space station...fucking retard Vicent Ward), and a ginat middle finger to the fans of Aliens? I dont say this lightly Asimov, but Aliens is my flat out favourite film, and the alien series is my Star Wars, so please dont tell me Alien 3 had balls, it is just flat out insulting as a film....managed to kill the series, allow for us to never see any of the unbelieveably cool possibilities tat could have followed on from Aliens.....

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    By that logic, thn Michael Bay has the biggest

    by southafricanguy

    balls of all. He makes films that make no coherent sense, has racist jive talking robots, unbelievably innapropriate sexual innuendo and suggestions for a "family film". I guess then he is being very subversive, therefore Transformers 2 has balls. And hey he completely changed the character of Optimus Prime and made him violent and cruel by killing defeated opponents by shooting them in the face, and ripping their faces off, I guess it takes balls to shit all over a generation of kids memory of that character. Just like it took balls to give a giant midde finger to those of us that love the Alien series, and love Alien/Aliens.....

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 6:56 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy... dunno about Vincent Ward

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    He had monks, not prisoners on a wooden planet containing a wheat field. The only thing they kept was a single Alien and the bar-codes.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    Vincent Ward had the religious angle too but different

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    The theory was that man HAD encountered aliens long ago, like the 12th century or something, and somehow through some kind of exorcism these monks were actually able to remove the alien and save the host. Cut to 2000 years later and the monks are now in space, recluses from Earth with no knowledge that their religion is based on fact and about to get messy.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Lets be clear Asimov, I have no problem with

    by southafricanguy

    main characters being killed off (I like dark myself ), in fact I think its one of the biggest cop-outs of most films, and I agree with Lawrence Kasdan and Ford who thought Han Solo should have died in ROTJ saving Luke and Leigh, but imagine if Han Solo was killed off-screen before Rotj even begun. Would that be ballsy? Hicks and Newt dying would have been absolutely fine and dandy, if say their deaths meant something, or the audience got a pay-off for having emotionaly invested in the characters previously, or if they simply did something cool with cool characters? But pointlessly killing them off screen? Not ballsy by a mile, just bad desicion making, ad bad film making...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Nomoredirtyjokes.....most of the ideas origin

    by southafricanguy

    ated with Ward, sure they were changed, but his stuff were the nucleas of evething tht happened creatively during the films development....

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Plus if you watch the Alien 3 special edition

    by southafricanguy

    extras disc, then you can watch him sitting being interviewed with a very smug look on his face talking about how wonderful his ideas were....they werent you cunt...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Vincent ward is pretty talented.

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    His visual sense is extraordinary.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Aliens 3 Sucks The Pus Out Of Dead Seagulls

    by veteran_of_mu

    It's not the worst movie in the world. It's just that it drove a stake through the heart of a great franchise while at the same time ignoring several years of patient world-building in the Dark Horse version of the story. And why? Oh, so we could have a movie about despair. Dickheads!

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    If Han died at the end of Empire

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    The carbon freezing chamber should have killed him. Revenge of the Jedi would have been a much better movie, potentially it could have been darker than Empire.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Good to be wrong

    by TheJudger

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  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:42 a.m. CST

    ROTJ the sad version

    by TheJudger

    Luke has sex with his sister in the begining- because she feels bad that hsi hand was chopped off. he goes to free solo c3po falls into the sand vagina, han never regains his sight. luke goes back to yoda on dago, yoda tells him of the other, old ben shows up and tells him that the other is leia. Luke is really fucked up about it. Ben relizes what has happened. The scene end. Luke keeps this secret from leia. She tell him she is preggers, and it his child. Han is blind so cant go with them to the endor. But lando asks him to fly with him on the falcon to attack the death star. Luke and liea go to the planets surface, they are attacked by the biker scouts, they break up just like they did in the movie, and luke and chewie and r2d2 that long eared guy who should have been on the falcon with lando are captured by the ewokes. With put 3po around they are pretty much screwed. when they get to the camp leia is being gang raped by the ewoks. The long ears funky hat wearing midget alien is tossed onto the barby first. Luke looses his nut he uses the force to break free and kill most of the ewoks. But Luke is outnumbered so he leia and chew flee. Leaving r2d2 to fend for himself. r2d2 jumps off of the ewok tree village and commits suicide. His projecto eye streams and images of c3po in the oil bath and other scenes they were in together in the film while his body convulses as he dies. The projected omage fades away. Luke tells leia that he has to turn himself in that only her and chewie will have to turn of the shiled themselves. They have sex again. Luke makes a bomb to kill himself and vader and the emperor. He turns himself in and uses the force to stop a body search. Vader senses the bomb but he also sense that luek has had sex with leia. He takes lukes saber and together they go to the emperor. Leia runs infront of the defelector shield guards with most of her clothing off screaminmg for help as chewie chases after her. The guards turn thier attention to chew and they try to shoot him liea hits them in the back of the head with a blaster shot. Her and chewie go inside and turn the shield off. The ewoks watch from a distance. Luke go before the emporor, he spits out the same shit. About it being a trap and what not. Vader pulls out the bomb and presses the switch killing luke himself and the emperor off. Liea sense a disturbance in the force. She races outside the ewoks are waiting on her. Wickett explores the shield generator area. Wickett flips the generator switch back on while playing around with all the buttons. Lando screams as the sheild goes back up. He tells the blind solo to close his eyes. They die. we close in on liea and chewie being gang raped by the ewoks aspirit luke and vader look on.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 9:15 a.m. CST

    People are framing the Aliens v. Alien3 debate...

    by rbatty024

    as a battle between Fincher and Cameron. However, if Fincher really wanted to give Cameron the finger, then he would have gone ahead and made a better film than Aliens. Also, Fincher has a terrible track record when it comes to his films. I like his visual style but, until recently, he has had no clue how to tell a story. Alien3, The Game, Panic Room, and Fight Club are all mediocre to terrible films. He has only made three good movies in his career. Compare that to Cameron who has half a dozen good to great films under his belt. There's no question that Cameron is a much better filmmaker than Fincher.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Nomoredirtyjokes...we will just have to agree

    by southafricanguy

    to disagree, I think nothing of Vicent Ward, and his involvement with the Alien series was the worst thing that ever happened to it.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 9:33 a.m. CST

    rbatty....Fincher has had his dud moments,

    by southafricanguy

    like all directors really, but hes a damn good director. I agree with you re the game and panic room, and for me you can throw benjamin Button in too (very underwhelming, overrated film imho), but Seven, Fight club (you seriously dont like it?), and Zodiac are all excellent films. But comparing him to Cameron is utterly a waste of time, they are seriously different types of film makers dude. Cameron cant do what Finchr does (very dark, atmospheric, intellectual mindfucks), and at the same time Fincher cant do what Cameron does (great action set pieces, pushing the fx boundry, larger than life archetype characters). Besides, Cameron is a populist director that is very good with high concept sci-fi/action films, whereas Fincher is more of an arty film maker that excels at offbeat, unconventional hollywood films imho...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 9:51 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by kwisatzhaderach

    No, I love good movies. You're the one that hates Blade Runner, remember? No point in calling me a fuck head because you have zero film knowledge.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    rbatty024

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "Alien3, The Game, Panic Room, and Fight Club are all mediocre to terrible films." Huh?

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I'd have prefered it...

    by windomearle39

    If Ripley had of been killed off and Newt and Hicks had of survived.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:07 a.m. CST

    The Judger

    by Karl Hungus

    :::applause:::

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Newt & Hick's unfortunate demise...

    by brodiebruce_405

    ...was a blessing really, and this is coming from someone who spent most of his 23 years worshipping Aliens. I really don't want to see a film where Dwayne Hicks fights off bald rapists, hiding and protecting Ripley and/or Newt. No, that's not fun. However, Ripley? On her own? That's cool, we know how fucking tough that lady is! Personally, though, I wish they'd made Vincent Wards' WAY out there premise for Alien 3 - with the artificial wooden monastry planet in space. TYhat sounds awesome and so different and out there, the only possible way to match parts one and two. Instead we got a watered down version of that, which I like (especially the extended cut) but it's no Aliens or Alien.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I've gone on the record as saying that Fincher...

    by rbatty024

    is great with visuals and atmosphere, but he often drops the ball when it comes to the story. Both The Game and Fight Club are movies with twists that make M. Night Shyamalan's films look coherent. I would also go with Fight Club as his most overrated. In a way, Fight Club is similar to American Beauty in that both films might trick you into thinking they're profound the first time you watch them, but upon subsequent viewing it becomes clear the filmmakers are just full of shit. <p> Like everyone else I love Seven, and I think Zodiac is his best film. Button had a couple of problems (I hated the modern day framing), but overall I thought it was an impressive achievement. For me, Fincher really came into his own when he made Zodiac. It combines his great visuals with some great storytelling. It also manages to juggle many different characters at once, which is not at all a small feat. My guess is that over time that film will only increase in popularity. Southafricanguy, in a lot of ways you're right. It's just apples to oranges. However, I did want to respond to those who were claiming that killing off Newt and Hicks was a big "fuck you" to Cameron. I think if Fincher really wanted to screw over Cameron, then he would have made a better film. Still, I stand by my statement that Fincher (who I do think is talented, and its on display in films that I think are ultimately failures) doesn't have as great of a track record as Cameron. I'll even go on the record as saying that Jean-Pierre Jeunet has a better track record than Fincher.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Rbatty....I dont think Ficher was giving a fuck

    by southafricanguy

    you to Cameron, I want to be clear that I dont place any blame on Ficher and I am not saying that he was trying to insult Cameron. It had everything to do with the producers, and Vincent Wards shitty ideas Alien 3, the 3 of them were the ones that gave Aliens fas a giant middle finger...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Hey Kwis...whats up dude, long time no see

    by southafricanguy

    hows things with you buddy?

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    OOPS, did I say above that Alien3...

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    was Fincher's only bad movie. I must of forgotten about Panic Room. As far as The Game, Fight Club and Ben Button; I wouldn't say they are on a Seven or Zodiac level, but they are certainly not bad films.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 fucking ruled...

    by Sulla

    and it's a hugely underrated film. It's gritty and somber tone just separates the men from the boys. I love everything about this movie. ALIENS is the overrated film, I love it, don't get me wrong, but it's pussy kids stuff compared to 3.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I hate to admit this, but...

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    I actually prefer Resurrection to Alien3.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    caruso_stalker217

    by Sailor Rip

    Dance is a class act. Wish he was a bigger star. <p> Anyway, <p> Alien: Great haunted house movie. A masterpiece. <p> ALIENS: Greatest sci-fi film of all time? The Empire Strikes Back beats it sometimes depending on what mood I'm in. Still, a masterpiece. <p> Alien3: Not what I or anyone wanted. Took a shit on the movie before it. Whatever. It has it's good points. <p> Alien: Resurrection: Some good ideas. A Ripley cloned simply to get a queen from her blood: That's cool and fits in with the W-Y plan. An action movie on a black-op's space ship: Cool. The director they chose to do this: Wrong for the job. Newborn: WTF. Seriously.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Since it's cool to like "Alien3" now...

    by BarryConvex

    does that mean in a few years or so, everybody will be praising "Spider-Man 3" as a flawed masterpiece?

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    SAILER_RIPLEY

    by Sailor Rip

    One eyed jacks a lookin to go a...(you finish)

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Um, ALIEN 3 has been liked since 1992...

    by Karl Hungus

    ...by those of us who saw it for what it was: a noble failure. A diamond in the rough. And the cinematic baptism (by fire) of an amazing director. Sorry that you're just now catching up but it's true. If it wasn't, Fox wouldn't have spent the money restoring the assembly cut of ALIEN 3 back in 2003. So even if you don't believe there were some of us who "got" the film 18 years ago, then you better believe there was enough of us in 2002 for those cheap bastards at Fox to justify pulling the trigger on spending big bucks restoring the assembly cut, and that was 8 years ago. Either way, you're a little slow.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    The people crowing about how Alien 3 'had balls'...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    are completely misguided. You do realize that the numerous idotic decisions made on that production, such as the atrocity of killing off Newt and Hicks, were studio mandates made early in development, don't you, long before Fincher was hired as a director? The producers didn't even want to feature Sigourney Weaver because she cost too much. Fincher didn't make the decision to kill off Newt and Hicks as some artistic fuck you to Aliens, and there's nothing 'ballsy' about such stupidity in the first place. That's just studio contempt for the audience. <p>No one was neccessarily asking for Aliens Redux. It would have been acceptable to have Hicks and Newt survive and use them in a creative context, or have them not in the film (they could take a shuttle back to earth or something at the beginning).<p>Alien 3's so-called 'brave' artistic decisons are nothing but studio-mandated clusterfuckery of a production where no one knew what the hell they wanted, and re-wrote and re-shot ad nauseam. That's what you're really applauding, and it's indefensible. <p>Basically Alien 3 is a classic case of an indulgent, ill-thought out and dumbed down would-be tent-pole Hollywood blockbuster of the kind we see every summer; unfortunately, its defenders unwittingly 'prove' the stupidity the studios see in their audiences with their revisionist praise of this garbage, whereupon its numerous plot holes, artistic redundancy and idiotic nihilism are retrofitted under the category of artistic creativeness and an attempt to challengingly subvert standard blockbuster/ sequel norms.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Sailor Rip...

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    peeping in a seafood store.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Mind if I use your head?

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    I mean your toilet, I'm not gonna piss on your head, head. Good ole Bobby Peru.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    TheJudger... JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    top shelf stuff my man...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    also...

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    ....A deaf mongoloid nigger crip poof raghead junkie oompaloompa who reads Dan Brown fiction..... <p> oops, wrong talkback...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    ALIEN 3 WAS THE ONE WITH THE ENDLESS JIBBER JABBER RIGHT?

    by BringingSexyBack

    It fucking sucked!

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Aliens 86 - Alien 3 92

    by cushing1967

    Newt wakes up to find that Stasus hasn't stopped her from growing quite a set of tits.<BR><BR>I sometimes wonder if the killing of Newt was more to do with recasting issues than story issues.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    SAILOR_RIPLEY

    by Sailor Rip

    lol. Ok. I'm proud to share the monicker with you.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    "c3po falls into the sand vagina"

    by Sailor Rip

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    ^ Is there anyway I can fit that on my license plate?

    by Sailor Rip

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Bobby Peru.

    by Sailor Rip

    "Don't mind if I fuckin do." <p> His scene with Lula in the motel room is great. Disturbing on a level only Lynch can deliver.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Not hungry?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Yeah, exactly. It takes a couple bites and then drops the body to frighten all the little monks. Makes no freaking sense. If it's like "a lion", why not eat the entire kill. Oh yeah, that's right, it's just killing because it's a typical movie monster now and none of the creepy using the living prey for reproduction stuff holds any more.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    BarryConvex

    by Sailor Rip

    About Spider-Man 3, most likely. Did you really have to kill Brian O'Blivion?

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    This room smells like puke.

    by SAILOR_RIPLEY

    You been puking little girl? Always nice to find a fellow Lynch lover.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I also am a fan of the man

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    The Elephant Man is quite nice. <p> Also, I like to whack off to Bob from Twin Peaks.....

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip

    by BarryConvex

    You'll forgive me if I don't stay around to watch. I just can't cope with the freaky stuff.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    by BarryConvex

    Well said,sir.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I snuck into a drive-in in 1992 and watced this

    by MST3KPIMP

    hopped the fence bought a popcorn & just sat in the grass with my radio and watched.. it did leave me depressed though... that and the mosquitos.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The Cameron bashing is hilarious

    by MandrakeRoot

    ...and extremely transparent. You can't reach the insane levels of success that Cameron has without "anti-mainstream" nerds backlashing on you. <p> It seems that people tend to forget that almost all of Camerons films are regarded as classics and he's one of the few filmmakers to not have a single film under his belt that's not at least good. Considering he's written all of his movies too, it's even more impressive. Let's not forget he towers over just about every director out there in terms of action and female character. Directors with only one of his many qualitys would be lucky, but even beyond that Cameron also has the insight to push technology forward with his films. <p> Face it, the guy is a genius and a master filmmaker. Alien 3 was pretty lame...it was a poor man's Alien. At least Jim had the balls to take the franchise somewhere else. And to all you calling Aliens "cliche", remember that Aliens invented it's own genre.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I mean

    by MandrakeRoot

    How anyone could ever choose Alien 3 over Aliens is beyond me. There's a reason Fincher has completely disowned Alien 3. It's just not a good movie. Just because it's got dark lighting doesn't mean it's atmospheric. Those who claim Alien 3 to be good cinema really show their colors. <p Alien 3 was the start of the studio driven downward slope of the Franchise. What your seeing in Alien 3 is nothing but constant shitty studio decisions which results in a truly silly film. It's far from frightening.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    ...

    by MandrakeRoot

    Supporting Alien 3 is the reason the Alien franchise turned into a studio-controlled clusterfuck. The whole movie is poor last minute studio decisions because they didn't have a decent story together. I'd be willing to bet those who praise it do so only because of Fincher. But newsflash - Alien 3 is just a shitty studio film which tried to be like Alien and failed horribly.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Killik - The idea/meaning of the alien

    by ObiBen

    I think dwelling on the space cockroach aspect too much would have gotten tired real quick. It would have ended in a big Starship Trooper like epic battle, but then what? The premise of Alien, right from the start, was to scare the shit out of the audience with notions of parasitic lifeforms skullfucking their host to impregnate them. It's a nightmare. Getting rid of Newt and Hicks was an interesting move because the focus came back to Ripley vs her nightmare and exploited heavier but nevertheless very real and human themes.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I don't care what anyone says

    by Lone Fox

    Shit, I have to fill in this bit too? Fine. Alien3 was not only brilliant, I prefer it to Aliens. Yep.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 turned them into space bugs, not Aliens

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Damn thing's crawling on the ceilings like a spider, whereas you only see them in glimpses in Aliens.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    In Aliens, they are crawling *in* the ceilings

    by ObiBen

    Big difference.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Eggs on the Sulaco

    by Kaitain

    "And the notion that the Queen from Aliens was somehow able to lay two eggs on the Sulaco was boneheaded." <p> Especially as she rips herself away from her egg sac and ovipositors in "Aliens". <p> The premise for Alien3 is absurd. <p> "This isn't what happened last week. Have you all got AMNESIA?? They just *cheated* us!"

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Kaitain - OK...But just put down the axe, please

    by ObiBen

    ;)

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Kaitain - OK...But just put down the axe, please

    by ObiBen

    ;)

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 2:18 p.m. CST

    YES I HATE BALD RUNNER

    by RPLocke

    And Alien 3 blows ass. It's sad seeing good hearted people defend this shit.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    The wooden planet idea

    by PedroM

    Jesus Christ, what the fuck.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    By the way, great picture

    by PedroM

    The scene is pretty good, Clemens opens up himself to Ripley and the audience connects with him a little more and right after he gets killed.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by cushing1967

    I remember in the UK there was a Pepsi advert with the Alien in it before the film and my mate said 'Christ that's fucking up the franchise'. He said this because Alien and Aliens had both been such special films that to see the iconic design holding a pepsi was just wrong.<P>The film for me was a collection on atmospheric, good scenes and performances that just didn't have enough to hold it together. I found myself not knowing who was being killed because of the way it was filmed and the uniform shorn hair. I'm still not sure who was killed when and I've seen it since.<P>In its defence it tried to do something different - one alien, different geneaology in a space with unarmed men but it just didn't gel.<P>I can see the merits in it but for me it wasn't nearly succesful enough to be a good film. <P>I do struggle to see how anyone can hate Aliens though. But the world, as I believe has been said, don't move to the beat of just one drum...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    The difference between Aliens and Alien3

    by ufoclub1977

    "Aliens" was hugely successful at presenting a traditional compelling story and scavenging key elements from the first ALIEN movie in ways that really worked for itself (from visual elements like the video camera feeds to the blue laser in the fog, to moments like awakening from hypersleep, the smalltalk of the first meal, etc). The bad thing in Aliens is the lowbrow humor/dialogue, cartoonish characters, and lack of horror in favor of a more mainstream action movie that appealed to even the high school jocks. "Alien 3" on the other hand has quality dialogue and loads of dense interestingly lit Ridley-esque cinematography and a return to the lifelike organic feel and appearance of the aliens and the gore (minus the rod puppet alien shots!), but "Alien 3" kind of sucks as a story. It just doesn't work! It doesn't build or play out in a compelling narrative.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Heyn Turd...well put my friend. Simply mind

    by southafricanguy

    boggling that bad tudio decesions are now considered "ballsy" by some revisionists. I guess we will soon see the same bullshit about how Spiderman 3, Xmen 3, and Blade 3 are all flawed masterpieces.....

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Thed very fact that Fincher has completely

    by southafricanguy

    disowned the film, and wants nothing to o with it speaks volumes, the director of the movie does nt even like it for fucks sake, and if anything I think Fincher wants nothing to do with it partly out of respect to Aliens fans as he has gone on record as highly respecting the work Cameron did...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Ands anyone that trashes Aliens in some

    by southafricanguy

    pathetic attempt to elevate Alien 3 is a complete moron. Its fine if its simply your preference, but dont pull shit completely out of your ass to justify liking Alien 3. Aliens is widely acknowledged as a classic an one of te greatest sequals of all time, shit it practically invented a template for how you make a sequal that has been copied numrous times (First Contact, Blade 2, Chronicles of Riddcik, Hellboy 2). A template that is about taking the same characters in the same universe, but making a completely different film, a different genre as it were. Aliens is right up there with ESB in its greatness and its influence on subsequent genre film making. While Alien 3.....fucked the alein series in the ass, and sent it into the ghettos from which it has never returned.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Ballsy was the creatively different structure

    by southafricanguy

    and genre Camern took with Aliens, he made his film while still respecting and adhering to what Alien set out. That takes skill and guts (considering how passionate fans of Alien are, nd rightly so), and Aliens is Camerons film through and through. Alien 3 is the result of studio interference and studio mandated "creative" descisions, yes...how ballsy indeed. If only more films had the balls to have such studio interference.......*sarcasm mode deactivated*..

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:35 p.m. CST

    And if only more sequals had the balls to basi

    by southafricanguy

    cally be lazy remakes of the first film ala ROTJ like Alien 3 had the balls to be a shitty version of Alien...

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    PedroM

    by ObiBen

    That was pretty much Fox's reaction.

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 9:09 p.m. CST

    ALIEN3? I JUST REMEMBER BALD GUYS TALKING A LOT.

    by BringingSexyBack

    It fucking sucked!

  • Sept. 26, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Bald Runner

    by Kaitain

    Early in the 21st Century, THE TOUPEE CORPORATION advanced Robot evolution into the NEXUS phase - a being with hair virtually identical to that of a human - known as a ruglicant.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Why does Cameron get credit for the genre switch?

    by caruso_stalker217

    It was already decided that the sequel would be a trapped-behind-enemy-lines type action picture before Cameron was even hired.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Caruso...I will give Cameron the credit because

    by southafricanguy

    first, he wrote, directed and produced Aliens. Second, he also wrote the original script of Rambo 2 around the same time which if you read it also flips the genre. Third, Cameron does the same thing with T2, thus there is a history and precedent of him doing it. Fourth, there is only Giler and Hill's claim that that is the case, and being that those two also claim that Dan O Bannons script was crap and that they in fact came up with all the best ideas for Alien in an attempt to get the credit for creating Alien makes me very dubious of anything those two claim. Finally considering their gross/incompotent mishandling of Alien 3, and the subsequent fuck you they gave the fans, I think its fair to assume that the greatness of Alien And Aliens had everything to do with Dan O bannon, Ridly Scott, and James Cameron. And was not due to the "creativity" of Hill and Giler....Hope that answers your question...

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:51 a.m. CST

    And something I never understood...

    by caruso_stalker217

    Why do so many people think the third film would've been better if it was set on Earth? More action? More aliens? I'm pretty sure the reason they went the action route in the first place was because the alien wasn't scary any more. In the first film it had the mystery element. Nobody knew what the fuck it was. It was, well, alien. <p>When it came time to make the sequel they knew they couldn't just rehash ALIEN. It wouldn't work. They went about explaining the aliens as having kind of a hive structure with a queen and shit. Instead of one alien lurking in the dark picking people off one at a time, they had dudes with guns holed up somewhere trying to keep a shitload of the fuckers out. <p>What I'm getting at here is when they got around to the third film it seems that people wanted it to continue in the vein of ALIENS. That is, more aliens and more people shooting aliens. How does that work exactly? The alien is no longer mysterious. We know where it comes from. We know that if you shoot it enough times it will die. How would the film benefit from being set on Earth with more aliens? What good does it do to broaden the scope like that? As I think a few people have pointed out, wouldn't that just end up being STARSHIP TROOPERS? I thought what made the ALIEN pictures entertaining was the fact that the people are stuck on a spaceship or stuck on base on a planet far from home with no way to escape and there's a goddamn alien that wants to eat your face. It's not about space marines shooting aliens. It's about being trapped on a sinking ship with no fucking hope in sight. <p>If you guys just wanted to see a bunch of aliens getting blown up I guess you could just read the goddamn comic books that you like so much. A few people suggested that they should've just made those into movies because Hicks and Newt were in them. I never read them, but I did read some of the books that came afterward and it was the same bullshit. Aliens taking over Earth and people shooting them. <p>ALIEN³ is far from perfect. In fact it's a studio clusterfuck of epic proportions. I guess people are still pissed that Fox put out that teaser promising aliens on Earth and then released a film that didn't deliver on that original premise. When I was growing up there were already three ALIEN movies, so I didn't give a fuck. When I was a kid I used to watch ALIENS a lot. It's a great movie. But I also always dug ALIEN³. I liked that they didn't have weapons to defend themselves like the marines did and how the film would set up a likable character like Clemens and then kill him off halfway through. I also didn't care that Newt was killed because I never met anybody who actually liked her. <p>Anywho, I can enjoy ALIEN³ despite its faults (and it has many) because to me it has a lot of charm. It's got a lot of problems, but fuck it. I love it anyway. <p>Also, people bitch about the egg on the Sulaco which is totally justified. My question is, if they'd made the third film the way you wanted it how would they bring the aliens back? I never heard any good ideas for that one.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by caruso_stalker217

    I suppose you've got a point there. But, having read O'Bannon's script, I think the final product was much better than he was capable of. <p>As for ALIEN³, you have to remember that the film was greenlit based on Vincent Ward's script. They were already building sets for this version when Ward was taken off the project and the whole film was basically being rewritten during production. It still retains a few elements from Ward's script. At least the planet wasn't wooden, though.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    so the prisons sceneries were actually going

    by KilliK

    to be used as the sceneries for the wooden planet from the first script? <P>JESUS CHRIST MOTHER OF GOD.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Blame Fox for fucking Alien 3, not Fincher

    by ugh

    I really wish I could find a link for the Empire Mag article detailing how much 20th Century Fox fucked up with Alien 3 and gave Fincher a bad name for it. I remember how relieved I was that Fincher wasn't to blame for a that went wrong. If anyone knows that article that I speak of and can find a link, please post it!

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST

    wooden.....what?

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    HELP US RIDLEY SCOTT, YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:35 a.m. CST

    KilliK

    by Kaitain

    Good post re: retcons, Hellraiser et al.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Caruso_stalker

    by Kaitain

    I think you highlight, tacitly, that there is no natural continuation for Aliens. Alien3 is a movie generated by studio edict that does not grow naturally out of the narrative we've seen so far. There isn't a lot more to say. Indeed, the end of Aliens is designed to have a full stop at the end of it: <p> "Can I dream?" <p> "Yes, honey, I think we both can." <p> (END) <p> Some stories are just DONE, and trying to extend them is asking the impossible, or at least the clunkily ugly. Try to extend The Thing? No, don't bother, the story is done. Try to extend Highlander? No, it's ridiculous: there can be only one, and you saw who the one was. It's over. <p> The only natural way to extend the Alien/Aliens story would be to go off in a completely different direction and probably shift away from Ripley entirely. Someone above said that the Alien franchise wasn't "the Newt and Hicks Show". Should it have been "the Ellen Ripley Show"? <p> I tend to agree wrt. the law of diminishing returns having the xenomorphs on earth. What would the arc of the story be? What would the tension be? Would it end up like 28 Weeks Later with aliens? A siege movie like Zulu? What's the resolution? Something nihilistic? It feels intuitively like something that sounds great at first but on closer inspection can't be scaled easily into an engaging story.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Godfather 3

    by waynefoolx

    Alien 3 suffers from what I call "godfather 3 syndrome." Everyone likes to make jokes about and rail against GF3 as if it's the worst film ever. And compared to the first two it definitely pales. But on its own, w/o that comparison, it's not THAT bad of a film, and was generally well received by the critics (it was even nominated for an academy award for best picture, not that i'm saying that is the measure of a film). Similary, Alien3, when considered sans comparison, ain't all that bad.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 8:33 a.m. CST

    3 was just so damn depressing.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but the killing of Newt and Hicks in A3

    by rogueleader66

    Was not ballsy, PERIOD. It was a cop out, It was bullshit. It was a spit in the face to the people who loved Aliens. Like SAG said, killing them is not the problem, it's the way they did it. Not imaginative, not impressive, just plain SHIT. It was shit in every way there could be shit. A pointless and shitty way to dispose of characters you don't want to use, and it's obvious the studio wanted the film to have almost no connection to Aliens. They kept Bishop more as a nod to Alien than to Aliens. It was bad studio bullshit, it took NO BALLS to do that the way they did it, none. Anyone who thinks that took balls seriously needs to see it for what it is. Bullshit, period.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Alien3 = Gothic Masterpiece

    by belledame

    you know this. it is bleak and cruel and paints the living world as a vast hell. "she won't ever know the pain and grief for those of us left behind..."

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 = TURD!!!

    by BilboRing

    Movie sucked so bad on all levels. After Aliens, there has been no other Alien movie. Alien 3 was terrible. Boring and dull and full of crap. Killing Newt and Hicks set the tone for the movie...BAD IDEA!!! And the CGI Alien was attrocious.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Waynefoolx

    by ufoclub1977

    For a second I thought you meant that you thought Alien3 was up for best picture... my jaw dropped... lol

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Kaitain

    by caruso_stalker217

    I agree. There really was no where to go after ALIENS. Of course, there was no way Fox wasn't going to make another one. With ALIEN³ they tried going back to the first film, unsuccessfully. The alien just isn't scary anymore. It didn't work, just as doing ALIENS again wouldn't have worked. However, I think the deeply flawed film we ended up with is far more interesting than whatever they could've come up with on Earth.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:23 p.m. CST

    If Alien3 were set on Earth...

    by TurquoiseNapalm

    have the distinct feeling it woulda been AVP2, sans Predator.

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Fuck Aliens

    by lookylookymoontard

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Fuck Aliens

    by lookylookymoontard

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Aliens is cringe worthy

    by lookylookymoontard

    Typical Cameron,give me ALIEN or ALIEN3 any day

  • Sept. 27, 2010, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Aliens on Earth

    by CAPTAIN_AMERICAS_COCK_SHAPED_HELMET

    they could have that corporation successfully bring one back to earth then it escapes and mayhem ensues. that would rule. Alien3 sucked balls

  • Sept. 28, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Moontardd...your name is well chosen, only

    by southafricanguy

    a complete retard, and someone with fuckall understanding of film, and what makes any film great would say fuck Aliens. But judging from your hyper juvenile post, you obviously have some personal issues with Cameron, and hating a film because he made it is more important to you than having any sense at all....fucking pathetic...

  • Oct. 4, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 has long been my favourite

    by misnomer

    Ahead of it's time I think and too dark for american sensbilities. Did pretty well in europe.

  • Oct. 4, 2010, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Orcus didn't like A3

    by orcus

    Who do you root for? The Rapist? The Murderer? The fact that everyone looked like a cueball didn't help

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Alien3 was a return to horror...

    by Dridstar

    You saw Newt and Hicks die...it wasn't off screen. They died when the escape pod crashed. You saw their bodies...Hicks impaled with the support beam and Newt..poor Newt, finally thinking it was safe to sleep and dream only to wake up locked in her liquid filled Cryotube. The quick shot of her, mouth agape in a silent scream, arms frozen in a useless attempt to escape her tomb still haunts me. Alien3 has alot of good stuff in it. Charles Dutton's wonderful eulogy transposed over cut shots of the alien being reborn. The Warden...I still walk around and say "THIS is Rumor Control". When he get's snatched up through the ceiling and that one guy is like.."FUCK!" The squirm worthy antiseptic autopsy of Newt. and the Doctor's sublime expression when Ripley tells him to be careful. It's the little things in Alien3 I like. True..there were some story problems, but I really enjoyed the overall "feel" of the film. It made the Alien scary again and not just a oh cool look at THAT! Dutton: "Lady, I am a murderer and rapist of women. Ripley: "Well I guess I make you pretty nervous then huh? That shit is priceless.

  • Oct. 12, 2010, 9:09 a.m. CST

    They should have used the William Gibson draft

    by orcus

    Way better