MY ATTEMPT TO MAKE SENSE OF THE TRAILER FOR ZACK SNYDER'S OWL FIGHT MOVIE 1) 1) Jesus Christ, owls are fucking creepy. 2) 2) They’re armed? Who is arming these owls? Why would you do this? 3) 3) Is this a joke? It looks like a Zack Snyder movie. 4) 4) Holy shit, it IS a Zack Snyder movie. Owls with abs. Why not. 5) 5) And why WOULDN'T it be called "The Something-Something of Gurfle-Hurf" or whatever? That’s catchy as hell. 6) 6) Sure, I’ll watch it. It’s a 3-D Animated Cockfight! For kids! MY ATTEMPT TO MAKE SENSE OF WARNER BROS. EXECUTIVES' DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. “What do you MEAN there’s no more Harry Potter stories? Fuck. Get your ass to the nearest Target. Right now. Call me back when you’re standing in the kids books section.” “You’re at the Target? Great. What looks good? Green Lantern!? I want kids books that KIDS are reading, you idiot. Grab the next kid you see. You got one? Good. Okay, ask the brat if they read. She does? Fucking miraculous, tell me what she’s reading. What did she say? I didn’t understand what she said, it sounded like she just barfed. Oh, that’s the TITLE? What’s it about? Owls? Fucking OWLS? I guess Potter had an owl. These ones wear knives on their feet? That’ll look cool in 3-D. Hey, hold on a sec.” “Okay, yeah, I just heard back from London. She really isn’t going to write any more of these fucking Potter books. So I guess we do the owl movies. Hey, wait, is that kid still there? Ask her mom what she thinks of Ryan Reynolds.” MY REVIEW OF "SLOW-MOTION 3-D AUSTRALIAN COCKFIGHT WITH OWLS: THE MOVIE" DIRECTED BY ZACK SNYDER. Dude does NOT make it easy for himself, does he? “Dawn of the Dead,” “Watchmen,” Frank Miller’s nonexistent storytelling abilities; He has yet to tackle a project that doesn’t have an amazing amount of baggage attached to it. This time, that baggage includes things like “The expectations of millions of kids who buy these books,” and “The pure befuddlement of everyone else.” That ballsiness, more than anything else, defines Snyder’s career, even more than his brilliant visual sense. He makes movies that simply shouldn’t BE. And it’s one thing for kids to imagine a world where owl kids join the boy scouts, grow up and go to war with other owls while wearing pseudo-roman armor. It’s another to take that imagery out of the kids’ head and put it on a couple thousand theater screens in as photorealistic a manner as possible. Other directors aim for suspension of disbelief. Snyder tries to suspend sheer incredulosity. “The Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga’Hoole” is the movie where Snyder finally descends, slow-motion and screaming, into total self-parody. Some would argue this happened halfway through “300,” but I disagree. What with the stylized action and the speed-ramping, “300” established the Snyder style, for better or worse, and he used those tools judiciously, bringing them out only when needed, maximizing their impact. Whatever problems there were with “Watchmen,” he (mostly) exercised similar restraint in his valiant attempt to adapt what many consider the best graphic novel ever written. With this movie, he’s not so much choosing his tools as he is kicking the whole toolbox into a computer, and then kicking over the computer. It’s a tone-deaf slog through near-total incoherency, its only hope of success completely dependent on frequent - and frequently desperate - attempts at beautiful iconography. The choice to make this as photorealistic as possible is a terrible one. Sure, it’s pretty as hell, and the 3D is mostly immersive, succumbing to gimmick only once or twice. But it’s hard to empathize for these creepy-looking things, and though the voice actors are trying to anchor the movie in real emotion, there’s only so much expression an owl can give. Then there's the rote story, notable only for the incomprehensible way in which its key points are relayed to the audience. The first 15 minutes are an impenetrable wall built from out-of-context details and stupid sounding names. Soren is a dreamer, too willing to get caught up in the fairy tales his father tells him about the legendary Guardians of Ga’Hoole, a band of owls that fight for justice and freedom against the evil Metalbeak, an owl fascist plotting the domination of owlkind. Soren’s older brother, Kludd, is resentful of Soran’s optimism, and his natural talent for flight, and probably the fact Soren's name doesn't sound like a lump of coagulated dirt. One day, while practicing their skills, they are kidnapped by mysterious owls and taken to what they’re told is an orphanage where they will be taught how to become the best owls they can be. In actuality, the school is a training ground for Metalbeak’s army, where weaker students are brainwashed into owl-zombies, forced to spend their waking hours picking through a massive owl pellet collection to find metal flecks that, when pieced together by Metalbeak’s elite force of bat-minions, form a weapon that will be used to destroy the Guardians once and for all. Soren and fellow prisoner Otulissa decide to make a break for it, to warn the Guardians and save their respective owl kingdoms. Kludd betrays his little brother, and thus, the sides are chosen, the outcome inevitable: The Guardians will war with Metalbeak one more time, and the fate of all Owlkind rides on their wings. Will Soren rise to the challenge and realize his potential? Does he have the strength to face his brother, and save not only his family, but seriously WHAT THE FUCK AM I WATCHING. This is an astoundingly bad movie. That isn’t to say it’s not entertaining. It is, in fact, very beautiful to look at, and fucking hilarious in all the wrong ways. Snyder’s never been known for subtlety, but at one point in the movie, he has Owl City sing a song about owls while owls learn how to be owls during an owl montage. I could not. Stop. Laughing. I was waiting for Xzibit to pop his head out of the bottom of the screen and shout “Yo dawg, I heard you like Owls!” The movie isn’t thoughtless, however. It has things it wants to say to the kids. Snyder just isn’t paying attention to what he’s saying. Subtext is beyond this man, I think. A shocking charge, I know, but here’s a couple examples: During one of the scenes of lighthearted levity sprinkled throughout the film with all the grace and precision of a scud missile, a baby owl spends a good 15 seconds of screentime horking up an owl pellet. After the laughs subside, the owl is told by her nursemaid, a matronly pink snake, (obvious choice, really) why she just puked up an owl turd, in a way that sounds, to anyone paying a modicum of attention to subtext, like a mother explaining to her daughter what a menstrual cycle is. This is weird and unintentionally hilarious as it is, until the snake mentions that she is going to save this pellet as a keepsake, just like she’s done for all the owls she’s cared for. And then the scene ends, leaving us to contemplate a world in which a motherly snake keeps a collection of owl periods in mason jars. And this snake is the emotional heart of the movie. We know this because the character inhabiting the role of oracle, a soothsaying echidna, (of course it’s an echidna, duh) says so to the snake, and the viewing audience. And then, at about the midway point, Soren re-caps the movie to the Guardians themselves. The response to his tale sounds like script notes that Snyder mistook for actual pages: A haughty, snooty owl calmly tells Soren that his story is beyond unbelievable, that it occupies a realm so ridiculous that nobody could possibly be expected to understand it, much less go along with it. To his credit, Snyder did not name the owl “Movie Critic,” probably because that name doesn’t sound like an owl pellet being coughed up, and therefore doesn’t fit in this universe. How did Snyder not catch these things? Was he too focused on mining every possibly iconic moment for their last ounce of majesty, unaware he had failed to make anything, yunno, MATTER? It is, essentially, a kids film about ethnic cleansing, starring a shitload of Campbellian clichés dressed as armed barn owls, and there is no resonance to any of it. But will kids like it? Maybe. I’m sure there are kids who liked "Planet 51" and "Alpha & Omega," too. Kids like a lot of shitty things when they're little. But they’re kids, they have a good excuse. Snyder doesn’t. With this film, he has finally stacked the deck against himself far too harshly to come out the other side with a win. Bobby "Fatboy" Roberts www.cortandfatboy.com @fatboyroberts on twitter
Sept. 21, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST
Will not be seeing with my kid.
Sept. 21, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST
I just can't get excited about owls. Or penguins. Or 3D.
Sept. 21, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST
Awesome Review. Could not stop laughing.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST
Also, the internet is serious business.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST
Brought his Snyder hate to the movies. Can't trust him.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST
Bad idea for a movie.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST
I want to see an epic snail movie. <p> Screw owls.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST
...kind of like the Lord of the Rings movies.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:04 p.m. CST
Just a big kid who likes cool explosions and knows jack shit about jack shit.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST
and i cant tell if he liked it or not... real lazy right now
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
...it's got owls in it!. Colour me interested. Seriously, I thought the animation of the owl flying through the rainstorm looked technically superb. But this movie is going to choke up a dessicated mouse carcass when it comes to bums on seats...
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST
Why am I going to see this? Not that I'm exactly psyched about it. It's because everybody spends all their time bitching about how every movie is a reboot, remake, or sequel. We never get anything original. Well, you want original? How about an action movie... with owls!!! Didn't see that coming, did ya? Put that in your pipe and smoke it! (Oh, and I like Snyder. He hasn't let me down yet)
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST
Not this idiot's reviews again. I seriously have a thing against people who think they're so clever and funny (but aren't).
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST
I still kinda want to see it. I mean -- Photorealistic. Warrior. Owls. I don't think I'm wired to not want to see this. In 3D.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:21 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . that Neil Cumpston or whatever his name was? Now THAT guy was effortlessly funny. I'm not intrigued enough by this flick. The animation is beautiful, but that's the only draw. And I'm not a Snyder hater. That new one w/ the hot chicks in the looney bin looks to be awesome fun. Give this guy Justice League now.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST
not interested in the movie but that was funny.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST
OH Shit, he did.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST
by Maynard G. Krebs
That was my exact reaction when I saw this trailer for the first time. And on subsequent viewings... I love animated films but I couldn't sit through this if my life depended on it.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST
by The Dreaded Rear Admiral
Hey, here's a movie with owls scratching through their own shit and puke, and going to war, and...I'll probably watch it for the WTF factor.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:35 p.m. CST
...and try to write a coherent review. What a bunch of gibberish. Sure the movie might suck, but it's obvious this "Fatboy" cockbag has an agenda against Snyder.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST
Let's see you get off your lard ass and make a movie as good as Zac's previous efforts.No? I thought so.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST
That's the vibe I got from the trailer and I was slightly intrigued. I really doubt I'll pay the ridiculous price it costs to see a 3D movie these days but I may just rent this when it comes out.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST
by Han Cholo
You gotta watch after smoking some serious weed or munching on some shrooms. Otherwise I don't understand why people would see a movie about talking owls.
Sept. 21, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST
Also a LOTR rip off.
Sept. 21, 2010, 2 p.m. CST
by D o o d
I really love his version of Dawn of the Dead, 300 was meh, Watchmen was boring and now I'm being told that this is terrible.<p>Did snyder peak on his first movie..?!!
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST
I respectfully disagree, sir. If you're talking about 300 (as you obviously are), then you may have more of a point than if you were talking about Batman: Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, or his legendary run on Daredevil. Don't get me wrong...old Frank's storytelling has taken a bit of a turn LATELY (the Dark Knight Returns sequel, and All Star Batman and Robin, for example (I'm still trying to forget about The Spirit, okay?!)), but let's not drag the man's entire portfolio through the mud, huh? Other than that nitpick though, no objections, and damn fine review.
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST
Crap.. Realistic crap that takes every single ounce of magic and squeezes through the meat grinder called no vision. What a waste of computer power. We are in the early days of oil paintings, when painters thought that the only use of oil paints was to paint super realistic scenes.. then the camera came and expressionism had to evolve.. still waiting for that to happen with CGI.
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST
Hi, For quite a while I've been getting really bored of all the smart-arsed retards and mummies boys who come to this site just to mouth off and bitch about everything. It seems the inevitable has happened and they're letting these cunts, who love the sound of their own brainless sarcasm more than films, write the reviews. To be fair I couldn't give two hoots (geddit?) about this movie, but the self satisfied, jerking off to his own bullshit rhetoric tone of this review is basically the last straw for me and this site that I've been visiting since '97. Can anyone recommend an alternative, independent film site that isn't full of douchebags and dickheads? Thanks.
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST
And WHY did Snyder think it was worth wasting that money on this fucking trash? Couldn't he have used the money to do something cool like an all CGI Heavy Metal movie?
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
The Owl? You say you saw...the *Owl*...?
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST
Snyder really hasn't done much other than translate other people's work into film (or in the case of Dawn of the Dead, a NEW film). I've enjoyed a lot of his stuff, but it's hard not to compare it to the original versions (and when the original is something like Watchmen...that's just not a battle you can ever truly win). So I've decided to wait 'til I've seen Sucker Punch (which is mainly HIS work), to judge him overall.
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST
My main problem with the VISIONARY Zack Snyder is the fact that all of his projects are based on existing ideas. His first film was a remake and his second two were based on graphic novels that he painstakingly made sure to stay close to. So then, who is Zack Snyder? How can we call him visionary when he is too busy with other people's material? This movie, crazily enough will be the closest we can see to a real Zack Snyder, considering the fact that it hasn't existed before in any film or story board form. Anyway, I do enjoy his movies to a point. I just take issue with the visionary label.
Sept. 21, 2010, 2:40 p.m. CST
It really strikes me as impressive when someone who calls himself "fatboy" (the name itself giving out a really good vibe of someone who actually go out and do stuff), spends his time bad mouthing the hard work done by others. Someone who probably have some "exciting" job behind a counter somewhere and have spared himself of all the trouble of going through film school and trying to earn a living and make profit (yes, profit, films cost money, so they must make money) in such a competitive field. What's more incredible is that this fatboy, that probably has been mocked for his entire life (wonder why?), comes out making this remarks. He obviously know that people over the web will also mock him or rant against him, and in my opinion (if anyone can give out one, why shouldn't I?) he wants it. Maybe a lifetime of mocking left him hooked up on being teased and made fun of... Anyway... This looks more like a job for a shrink....
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST
I'm seeing this anyway, college is overwhelming and I want to be a kid for two hours.
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST
io9.com is a great source for the kind of news found here, but with a much more respectful and decent commenting community. They also focus heavily on advances in science, space, the world of sci-fi and fantasy literature, etc. The features are long form, and the updates are succinct and professionally written. They're funny too, without the smarmy snarky tone crapping all over this review. I've discovered lots of great reading and viewing material on io9. The site is extremely well organized, and solidly in the web 2.0 world. Editing your comments are a wonderful thing. It's updated several times a day by its two full time editors, and regularly features several guest writers a week. It's really a great site and scoops AICN on a fairly regular basis. It's a great property all around, and I genuinely enjoy my time there.
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
Sorry. Every director has their go to trick that they employ. Snyder like's slo-mo. Big deal. It looks cool. And most action directors can't direct an action sequence as good as Snyder. He uses quick cuts and slow mo, but his sequences always have a sense of geography. You know what the fuck is going on. <P>Furthermore, the film looks like a throwback to when kids movies were darker like "The NeverEnding Story" and "The Dark Crystal" so I'm interested. It looks better than the 596 animated films that are released that all look the same unless they are released by Pixar.
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST
Where it's more about trying to be funny than it is letting us know about the movie? If I wanted an overload of snark I'd read the talkbacks. Not that it ever even occurred to me to go to this movie. If a full on computer animated thing doesn't get ridiculously good reviews all around, it's just not worth paying the extra for 3d and sitting through it with a million screaming kids.
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST
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Sept. 21, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST
another snyder hater lol dont take this review serious at all it was not even a review it was a snyder lynch post for no reason
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:30 p.m. CST
This review had nothing to do about serious criticism about the movie, and everything about how uncomfortable this guy is to be watching a family movie so he has to constantly act like it's so hilariously beneath him. Would I watch Garfield and find things ridiculous? Of course I would, but I have perspective, unlike this douche. Stop being such a snarky hipster bitch.
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST
Ok, if comestain ain't reviewing any more (look up his lord of the rings reviews - jesus!!!) FATBOY GETS THE JOB!!!!!
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST
"at one point in the movie, he has Owl City sing a song about owls while owls learn how to be owls during an owl montage." Good gawd...
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST
Fatboy clearly has an agenda. His snark and lack of objectivity really belongs down here in the mud, with us.
Sept. 21, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST
by Harry Weinstein
Sept. 21, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST
this one will go to the bottom of my netflix queue. theres a lot of shit down there that i will never watch.
Sept. 21, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST
shit turd fart like a fart shit turd on a shit
Sept. 21, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST
Even as a fan of Snyder, a childrens movie about talking owls is not my thing. What this douchebag doesn't seem to get is that it isn't supposed to be his thing either. It's an animated movie about talking, singing owls that go on an adventure. What the fuck was he expecting? You could dissect any childrens movie, pixar included, the way he does here without even hinting at an objective sense of quality. So, the animation looks great?, the story is entertaining?, it's got stupid humor for the kids?, it has an actual message for said children other than "love=solution to everything"? Great, so what the fuck is the problem? Leave the reviews of kids movies to someone who doesnt obviously hate kids movies.
Sept. 21, 2010, 4:54 p.m. CST
by Dark Knight Lite
You lost me at slamming Frank Miller. Read RONIN, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, or THE HARD GOODBYE and get back to me, douche.
Sept. 21, 2010, 4:55 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST
...you don't have kids (and probably shouldn't yet or at all, ever). Yeah, my son wants to see it, thinks it looks cool. \Memo: Adults ike crappy movies too. All the time. And "Alpha and Omega" was just fine for kids btw (Yeah, Marmadung's another story). Really, you're kind of a wussy ass douche. Are you actualy fat as well?
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST
Forget the rest of his issues with the film. It seems he was biased against this from the start. I'm sure he'd hate the Rats of NIMH too because talking rats are fighting each other and WHAT THE HELL AM I WATCHING?! Come on...
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST
by Rubiks Doob
I mean honestly- he SUCKS. Watchmen is crap, so is 300. That is unless you think filmmaking skills consist of slow motion fetish violence shots ad infinitum...
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST
They're teenage, they're mutants, they're ninjas, AND they're turtles? What a piece of shit, I want my money back. These wars take place in the stars? Like SPACE? The SPACE ship travels through SPACE and shoots at a SPACE station and WHAT THE HELL AM I WATCHING?!
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST
after only a few seconds, at the part about going to Target. How about less what you think is funny and what should be and shouldn't be allowed in film and talk more about the actual movie?
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST
if you enjoy the freedom and anarchy nature of AICN talkbacks.<br /> the conversations in the io9 talkbacks are better,more mature and more satisfying than the ones here,but the main problem is that a lot of the people who comment and moderate are girls, something which easily can get you in trouble: <br /> <p>i am commenting in the io9 talkbacks for some time now,i never insulted anybody there and i always tried to give my best in the conversations there.i even got a star which basically means that my texts are full opaque so they can be viewed easily from other commenters.well some weeks ago i almost got banned.why?<br /> <p>because there was an article with pics from a cosplay event.my comment was about one of the chicks from the photos who was dressed as batgirl.i said that she was sexy but she should lose some weight.those were my exact words.after an hour,a furious female moderator removes my star status,she says that i should read the rules about comments,that this is my only and last warning and next time i will get banned.<br /> <p>the irony? i read the rules and they specifically stated that criticism of the physical appearance of people shown in pics posted in the various articles is allowed as long as it happens in a civilized way.<br /> <p>i didnt want to reply back to that moderator because you simply cant win in a situation where the egoism of a woman comes into play.its just a loss of time.<br /> <p>so if you want more mature dialog and better articles io9 is a very good site to visit.but if you want the free nature you can enjoy here in these talkbacks,well then AICN is the only and best way to go.
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST
This review reeks of jealousy.
Sept. 21, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST
I don't post at message boards anymore. Too many people on head trips moderate that shit.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST
I am sick of this kind of review. Also.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST
I didn't get the Miller hate either. It seemed unnecessary, at best.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:25 p.m. CST
Movie was pretty solid. Story was a bit rushed and basic but not overly cliched (or at least not noticably so). Characters were emotive enough, and the animation was beautiful, too. Say what you want about Snyder but the man knows how to make a great looking film.<p> Second best animated film to come out this year behind toy story 3, and one of the few films this year, live action or otherwise, that I enjoyed much at all.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST
And that's a good thing.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:27 p.m. CST
Clearly Fatboy doesn't like Snyder, or Owls, so obviously he disliked the movie. The review is pretty disingenuous and misleading. I don't trust it.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST
and I've been posting for a while (just under a year I think). I find this place thoroughly immature, and the people in the talkbacks here are foul mouthed. Let me be clear: I. Would. Not. Change. A. Fucking. Thing. I love it here!
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:32 p.m. CST
"Rats are creepy. Who would want to make a CGI movie with realistic rats. Ew... WHAT THE HELL AM I WATCHING?!?!"
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST
by trashing the most promising new reviewer the site has had in ages.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST
I got two lines into his review and was so revolted by the forced comedy, I had to stop reading. Then I saw that he went on and on, so I took a deep breath and tried again. This time I made it to the bottom of his list, and he proceeded with the lame comedy routine, and I really couldn't take anymore. Fatboy, you hate Zack Snyder, we get it. Please STFU!
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST
I'm 99% certain that the movie's script has a shorter word count than this review. I need a review of this review just to find out what the flick is about. Fat failure.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST
The review, not the film that is. Who cares if he's biased or not as long as he explains his perspective? To me, this kind of hate and ridicule makes a refreshing change from plants and people mailing in dull, personality-free reviews.<p>And all the Frank Miller defenders need to wake up, read All-star Batman and Robin and watch The Spirit. DKR, Ronin, etc. are firmly in the past - if you want to bring up ancient history you've got to take into account Robocop 3 as well. It's only fair.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST
by Fatboy Roberts
I actually liked Secret of NIMH. The comparisons between the two films are pretty superficial, honestly, having seen them both. And the rats of NIMH hardly looked all that realistic. They were anthropomorphized in a much more traditionally accessible manner, I feel. That's not to say non-traditional methods immediately get shit-talked. Snyder's non-traditional eye is what I like most about his filmmaking, and I'm a big fan of both Dawn and 300, (and yes, when I ranked out Miller, I was speaking specifically about 300, and almost all of his work from that point forward) I admire what Snyder was trying with Watchmen. He just really fucked this one up. At least his failure is still entertaining to watch, just in none of the ways he intended. But he gambles big, every time. 4 movies, 4 huge gambles, and this is the first one that he's busted out on. That ain't bad at all.
Sept. 21, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST
I agree, it's a good site for sci-fi info, but your hawking it's comment system is fucking misleading. I09 doesn't let you comment at all unless you apply to be a commenter, using a sample comment you submit, which they then judge to see if you are worthy to share your opinion with their readers. This, to me, is big brotherish backwards bullshit. It's a good site, but fuck their privileged commenting system. I've never applied, because FUCK THOSE BITCHES! I still read the site every day though, so whatever.
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST
Not exactly. Editors can only give out stars. Starred commenters make the approvals of new comments. It took me a while to understand how it works, but it really does filter out a lot of the chafe. It can be constricting though, so I definitely understand where you're coming from.
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST
I actually agree with everyone about io9. The two sites are totally different experiences, which is why it is still fun to hang around here. I enjoy the more professional layout there, the focus on science, the long form features, and the book recommendations. Plus, it seems that it's easier to discuss topics in the comment section that relate to the previous article. The threaded conversations make it easier to respond, and trolls either stay away or don't last long. There is a hierarchy though and that isn't for everyone. Nothing really competes with the anarchy here. Which is pretty awesome in its own right.
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST
Thank you Akira Kurasowa
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST
by D o o d
True Words Man. Let's wait and see Sucker Punch and then really lay into him if he deserves it!
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:35 p.m. CST
Now I like owls - real owls. They're my favorite bird. But those Gahoolies make me want to Gahurl. Couldn't pay me to see this pile of owl pellets. Bite my whiny feathered ass!
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST
Oh, I don't think Miller is god or anything. Yeah, the man has had his fair share stinkers and sure most of his true hits are in the past but Mr. Roberts up there dismissed everything the man has ever done with the line, "Frank Miller’s nonexistent storytelling abilities." He never said 'recently' or singled out which piece of crap he was referring to (300, I would guess, cause Snyder made it, but I liked that one). So sure Robocop 3 sucked (although, somehow I doubt Frank Miller is the only one to blame). But your logic baffles me: a person who has written truly great things deserves to be dismissed completely because of other things he did that weren't that great. How do the not-so-great things manage to drag down the great stuff? How does the Spirit (or Robocop 3, or ASSBAR(heh heh)) make Batman: Year One (or Ronin, or TDK) less awesome
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST
Sorry, freudian slip. We had been talking movies, so that's where my mind went.
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST
Wait, I should read the review first. . .
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:45 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST
We're trashing the guy who thought the talking, beweaponed owls movie was a bad idea? We really think this movie is defensible and that the fat guy is somehow diminished by his lack of patience with it? OK. memo received.
Sept. 21, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST
Has AICN found its new Vern? Or better yet, has AICN finally found an actual voice as opposed to the run-of-the-mill crap reviews they usually throw up? <p> I've never understood why people think Capone's and Quint's reviews are worth a damn. There is nothing to them. No insight. No humor. Nothing. It's just guys saying things about movies. Beaks is the same way. Moriarty was the same way. Massawyrm isn't too bad but Herc...Jesus, Herc is just a moron. Sorry guys, I love coming to the site but it sure ain't for your thoughts on movies. It's for the TBs and the TBs alone. <p> That said, I think Fatboy definitely deserves a spot on the payroll.
Sept. 21, 2010, 8:32 p.m. CST
I like my owls better in supporting roles (The Secret of NIMH, Clash of the Titans (original)). Maybe that makes me speciesist... I don't know. This sounds a bit too much like an Owl Overdose to me. So unless I get begged to go by a young cousin (unlikely, they're mostly still at the age where a lot of this would scare the shit out of them), I'll pass this one by. But yeah, we'll have to cast our collective glances back his way for Sucker Punch... See how he does on his out on own (so to speak).
Sept. 21, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST
I give up. I'll be writing my posts out and mailing them to the site from now on. Damn!
Sept. 21, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 9:10 p.m. CST
That line made me laugh
Sept. 21, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST
did that get it?
Sept. 21, 2010, 9:12 p.m. CST
There we go
Sept. 21, 2010, 9:23 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:01 p.m. CST
Warrior owls......what more can you want?
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:04 p.m. CST
Now, is Peter David going to take Fatfuck to task because his young daughter liked the movie? ;-)
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST
or Redwall. Medieval-fantasy mice...strange subgenre inspired by Beast FAbles/Reynard the Fox/Disney's Robin Hood + Bluth's unfaithful take on Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, but it works. Perhaps rodents work in this setting because of the plague association?
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST
Good stuff that.
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:34 p.m. CST
I'll be taking my nephews to see this on Saturday. But until this review, I didn't realize "Guardians of Ga'Hoole" was directed by Snyder. Now I'm really interested.<p> I like his style.
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST
Your ridicule of Snyder's use of an Owl City song about owls seems like a bunch of bullshit considering Disney made a shit-ton of movies that featured songs in which the characters sung about exactly what they were doing onscreen. <p> To criticize Snyder for doing the same just seems like a bullshit reason to slam the film, the director, and a poor attempt to be funny rather than insightful.
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST
This film looks like a colossal waste of time and money. But I could be wrong; I'm willing to give anything a chance. It's just this chance may be a matinee. Feel free to join the conversation about action films at http://khocolatemoose.wordpress.com/ We'd love to hear from ya often. KM
Sept. 21, 2010, 10:55 p.m. CST
That was an unexpected line to see in a review given how the owls in the trailer seemed wildly expressive to my eye.
Sept. 21, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST
I didn't know Zack Snyder's legion of Frazetta masturbating, iron pumping fanboys were so eager to defend captain slomo the chief architect of filmed Hot Topic round here, but this review was amazing. The Owl City line especially. Fuck em Fatboy keep em coming.
Sept. 21, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST
I stopped reading when it completely deviated from the movie and started to read like a fucking audition for last comic standing.
Sept. 21, 2010, 11:43 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Sept. 21, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST
Sept. 22, 2010, 12:14 a.m. CST
That cynical, mealy-mouthed, hyper-critical, self-absorbed generation that produces jack shit yet verbosely rambles on about those who do create and somewhere along the way found the temerity to try and channel that seething contempt for everything into some sort of half assed ideology fused with pseudo-intellectualism, with just a dash of hubris. (Okay, make that a heaping pile of hubris) I am so fucking sick of the internet and the little cunt mites who troll its depths looking for whatever nastiness they can dish out to make themselves feel bigger in a world that is indifferent to their existence. It’s one thing to blast Uwe Boll for making sludge but Snyder, love his work or loathe it, is doing his thing with as much artistic integrity as he can muster. Even if you dislike his films they have many notable attributes and a firmly entrenched style yet somebody like Fatfuck, in an effort to sound both smart and funny, spends his time forgetting to adopt some humility and instead drones on about a film that looks, at worst, like an inoffensive good time for the kids. Yet this man-child, with his witty comments and his thesaurus-infused vernacular, insults not only Snyder but Miller, no doubt because in doing so it lessens, if only for a moment, the banality of his own life and makes him feel that if he were to get up off his lazy ass and actually create something it would be good, though he’s ultimately too smart and talented to “play the game”. So instead he writes protracted reviews for a third rate spoiler site. Way to make mom proud, asswipe.
Sept. 22, 2010, 12:43 a.m. CST
Let's hope that's the last we review from Fatboy.
Sept. 22, 2010, 12:45 a.m. CST
It would help if I read my own posts. :)
Sept. 22, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST
Sept. 22, 2010, 12:57 a.m. CST
I agree with Rabid -- take a look at Dark Knight Returns or, better yet, his seminal, early run on Daredevil in the early 80s. Miller virtually defined the darker, adult movement in comicbooks that everyone attributes to DKR and Watchmen. I'd say the forerunner to this maturation of the comics medium was really his work on DD. Wonderful storytelling set in a fluid, visual, crime noir milieu. Great fucking storytelling.
Sept. 22, 2010, 1:36 a.m. CST
...from the world of snark.<p>Surely this film is aimed squarely at a certain audience - children - and so, for a film like this, I'd rather read the opinions of my godson than a post-ironic movie hipster.<p>My godson would be less interested in promoting his pop cultural credentials and more into offering an honest, qualitative judgement.
Sept. 22, 2010, 2:26 a.m. CST
Fragments. That end. In periods. It's not cute.
Sept. 22, 2010, 2:46 a.m. CST
we have yet another big-budget original film. As fattie mentions, Snyder takes risks with his choice in movies. I'm glad he does. I wish more directors did. I'm in.
Sept. 22, 2010, 2:55 a.m. CST
and Retarded. and gay. and it baffles my mind.
Sept. 22, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST
Becasue no one, and I mean NO ONE went to see Watership Down (Rabbits), Finding Nemo (Fish), Cars (vehicles, and not all cars, how lame), Monsters, inc (random shapes), Toy Story (toys), Bambi (deer and forest creatures). Everyone knows you just CAN'T make a movie for children with animals as the central characters. All Dogs Go to Heaven tanked, as did Lady and the Tramp, Aristocats, and 101 Dalmationsm too. Given that these have collectively made enough money to bail out the US Economy, why in the world would a studio even give owls a second look? I would much rather watch a movie like this than take the word of someone stupid enough to decide that he hated a movie without seeing it, hated the very concept the movie was built on, and then let his dumb ass got to see it anyway. When I go to see Transformers, I accept that for whatever reason that ultra advanced robots turn into hot sports cars and duke it out for our little planet. When I see Superman, I accept that for whatever reason, an alian that looks exactly human has godlike powers on earth and doesn't let it go to his head. When I see Legend of the Guardians, I will have to accept (without complain), that owls don roman inspired armor and scrap it out. If you can't accept the premise of a movie, don't see it.
Sept. 22, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST
I don't understand AT ALL why this guy would call Miller's storytelling ability into question in a review about Zack Snyder's 'warrior owl' movie. If Bobby Roberts doesn't like 300 (or Miller in general), that's fine. He's more than entitled to his opinion... but to drag Miller's entire portfolio into the mud with an offhand remark that has nothing to do with the actual review... then that's just... damn. It ain't right. Like you said, the man helped revolutionize comics and the way we think about them. Anyway, it's time I got some sleep. So, thanks to everyone for one hell of a debate. Oh, and, Dingbatty, I apologize if I fragmented on ya (it was completely unintentional). 'Night!
Sept. 22, 2010, 3:48 a.m. CST
The fragmenting WAS intentional but it happened so much earlier that I just forgot. I thought it would add emphasis but I understand where you're coming from (a standpoint commenting on grammar and cliche, I'm guessing). I'll try to avoid it in the future. However, I'm a shitty typist so chances are I'll frag again accidentally (hopefully you won't hold that against me). Good night again.
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:47 a.m. CST
Who did the full stop thing for emphasis. No irritation directed at you. ;-)
Sept. 22, 2010, 5:48 a.m. CST
Considering it was in the context of a film, rather than comics review, the comment about Miller's storytelling skills can be seen as being fairer (it's quite evident that Sin City, his only real onscreen success, has more in common with Rodriguez's other films than Miller's). As for his past work, I just don't subscribe to the idea of a lifetime pass. With the rare exception, once someone's lost it they've lost it. Miller, in my opinion has lost whatever ability he once had to tell a story of any kind of depth which is why he's had to fall back on familiar tropes and characters more and more over the last few years. I mean, the guy's still pissd he couldn't publish a story where Batman hunts down Osama Bin Laden.<p>Also, Snyder's an efficient stylist but nothing more. Just watching the trailer, this has turkey written all over it and I think a big factor in that is that he doesn't have an established visual source to take from.
Sept. 22, 2010, 6:21 a.m. CST
...then rock this mother out in TRUE IMAX (none of that AMC multiplex LIE-MAX garbage). If only for more Potter and Tron trailers.
Sept. 22, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST
Of course, I've hated Snyder ever since he tricked me into seeing 300, or as I liked to call it, the most overrated piece of shit ever put to screen. I also don't understand why everyone praises his visual style. He's never done anything that I haven't seen before in a dozen other music videos.
Sept. 22, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST
it's WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE all over again. THE KIDS WILL LOVE IT! remember how much they loved WTWTA? yeah. I can't wait to see this one met with total abandonment and hopefully it will mean ZS won't get to make any more movies ever again period. this is a looming disaster right down to the rock music in the trailer near guaranteeing no adult or child will want to go.
Sept. 22, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST
And it doesn't look like it is going to get universally panned. Nowhere will be showing it subbed near me and I don't feel like turning out for the Japanese dub, however - which I did with Toy Story 3, and actually didn't regret it, although still looking forward to hearing the oroginal voices. With this, I think I'll wait... Damn, 3D is killing subbed showings of stuff...
Sept. 22, 2010, 9:31 a.m. CST
Thank you for this awesome, funny review. Everything I suspected fromt he trailer, alas, seems to be true. The critic has done me a huge service and saved me from doling out over thirty bucks for my son and me to see this piece of crap. We can stay home and watch Castle in the Sky again. So don't shoot the messenger. He's done his job with wit and aplomb. Please review more on this site!
Sept. 22, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST
Of Harry. Also.
Sept. 22, 2010, 10:23 a.m. CST
I really don't like Snyder's films (the Dawn of the Dead remake is probably his least painful - I'd say Watchmen if it was an original film but he totally missed the point of the source material). Even the trailer for that owl shit had me laughing in the cinema - this review fucking nailed it.
Sept. 22, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST
Miles away from where it was being made.
Sept. 22, 2010, 10:44 a.m. CST
Wow, irony escapes you huh? I think this review is hilarious and the movie looks like crap. Let's not forget that part of the "pedigree" is "from the studio that brought you Happy Feet..." That movie is terrible. FACT.
Sept. 22, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST
Sept. 22, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST
sorry if this has been noted, my updates are a bit slow. is there anything not funny about using the phrase "thesaurus-infused vernacular" as an insult? no, there is not.
Sept. 22, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST
Maybe people who have no soul should not be reviewing kid's movies. Seriously, your review is all cool and stuff, and it's clear you are too cool for school man, but in all honesty, your review is more of a review of your own uber-coolness than of the actual movie itself. Which is fine, except usually this just means that reviewers who do that kind of thing do so out of an angry reaction because the movie went over their heads, or they just didn't 'get it, or it just failed to connect with the warm-fuzzy part of their non-existent hearts. So, ok, but I will still be taking my son to see it, and we will probably enjoy it. Maybe some day I will see a review of this movie that reflects that aspect, instead of trying to convince me I am foolish if I don't agree with the reviewer. Bleah whatever.
Sept. 22, 2010, 11:13 a.m. CST
I'm with you on the lack of warm-fuzzy. Still, I don't think Fats is actually "too cool" for anyone. I have a non-opinion about Snyder, but his opening comments (barring the Frank Miller shot) were valid in a vague and interesting sense. He has taken on a series of bad ideas/great properties. He has tried to attach a signature style. I think Fatty recognized that. Plus, there was no plot under 300, so that was a valid shot at Miller. Sometimes a man has to wallow in his own self-love of style.
Sept. 22, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST
Would be right up this groups alley. They slit each others throats, people! Come on. Amazing how every time Hollywood releases a cute cuddly talking animal movie everyone here bitches, but now that they've created a pretty badass one, you're still complaining.<p> Wait, that's not amazing, that's typical. Carry on.
Sept. 22, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST
Just because you criticize something, doesn't make you "hilarious" either. <p> There's a fine line between being legitimately funny while criticizing, and criticizing in an attempt to be funny.
Sept. 22, 2010, 11:59 a.m. CST
yet talking Owls in a fantasy movie is ridiculous.
Sept. 22, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST
Sept. 22, 2010, 1:38 p.m. CST
I hear ya, but they thing that is turning me off is the uncanny valley creep factor, and the overly earnest voice acting from the trailer. If this were stylized 2D, I'd be all over it. If they ever did something like Mice Templar, I'd want to see Oeming's style up on the screen, for example. Or, imagine if they decided to make a CG/3D or live action Samurai Jack for the big screen. It's not an improvement.
Sept. 22, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST
I get it, Disco_Sucks, hell, I even agree to a certain extent. And just for the record, my problem was never with YOU (and I apologize if it seemed that was the case. I do recall saying "your logic" at one point, when my aggravation was really aimed at the reviewer... Sorry about that). Now, assuming I understand you correctly, you're saying that since the criticism took place in a film review, the comment must have had more to do with Miller's film career, than his work on Batman over 20 years ago. Fair enough. MY problem was that even in a MOVIE review the statement about Miller's storytelling ability still sounds pretty all inclusive. If The reviewer was just talking about Miller's work in film, then let him say that, because I obviously didn't get the same implication you did (but if that's actually TRUE, then Mr. Roberts has a point). Now, that having been said, I think Miller's past greats should always be respected as turning points in the genre, but there's no denying he's lost something (an edge, his mind... Who really knows?). I doubt we'll ever really and truly see eye to eye on this. But what the hell... I can agree to disagree if you can.
Sept. 22, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST
by Grandpa Bunche
When Fatboy refers to Miller's non-existent storytelling talents, was he making a blanket statement about the man's entire career or specifically his Hollywood output? Miller's comics work speaks for itself — up to a point; he lost me after the first few Sin City arcs — and still holds up over two decades after the fact, so if that's what Fatboy's referring to, he's got his head lodged right up his ass. If he's talking about Miller's movies, I have to agree with him. Clarification is needed.
Sept. 22, 2010, 2:16 p.m. CST
Another hack that AICN fell inlove with, much to great puzzlement and scratching of heads. Sometimes, i really don't get the AICN people. Why does AICN keeps on falling in love with the hacks, of all people?
Sept. 22, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST
Can you make a car? Can you build a house? Then how dare you criticize any of those! The "if you can't make a mvoie then you can't criticise" thing has been exposed as a fallacy a long time ago. Sorry, friend. You know what give us the right to criticise? If you bought it. If you bought a movie ticket, you have every right in this world to criticise a movie. Every right. Consumers' rights, man.
Sept. 22, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST
If this owl film bombs then I won't have to see his stupid face pop up on movie site anymore. From The Day of the Dead to The Watchmen, Snyder is a director who has constantly failed upwards. He keeps on getting gigs even as he turns out complete crap.
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST
by Fatboy Roberts
I clarified in the earlier comment I made, "Hey Guys," - I was speaking about 300 specifically. That book is clearly the demarcation point, for me, regarding his abilities as a storyteller, and almost everything that followed 300 was increasing levels of confused garbage, up until The Spirit, his absolute nadir. That Snyder made something compelling out of 300 is a big plus in his favor. Reading this as a hitpiece against Snyder's entire filmography doesn't make any sense- you'd have to ignore the praise for his earlier movies and his successful risk-taking right there in the review. Also, RE: Cleric's comment - It sounds like he's choking on my personal thesaurus while trying to knock the porkchop off my plate. :) Arguing for humility and elevated discourse in a talkback while projecting "cunt-mites" from your fingers during an impassioned argument against online cynicism seems to be a counterproductive measure at best.
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:22 p.m. CST
as Terminator 4, or X-Men Origins: Wolverine then by all means, flame away you fruity fucking motherfuckers. Hack is Ratner, Boll, McG. Compared to any of these "Hacks" Snyder's movies are like fucking Jaws and shit. <P> Snyder is also miles more talented then Mike Bay, and makes movies far better then anything the Modern Age Spielberg seems capable of making. In my book, Snyder hasn't made one bad movie. When y'er high as shit 300 is fucking trippy. His Dawn of the Dead was the best Zombie movie in a long time with some classic moments, and Watchmen was far better then it had any right to be, and far better then what haters deserved.
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST
I would put 300 below Terminator 4. Don't get me wrong, T4 is a terrible, terrible movie, but 300 is still worse. The makeup on the crippled Spartan alone, is more laughably bad than anything in T4 (but again, both are terrible movies).
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:40 p.m. CST
Would you give any credence to someone who reviewed Jackson's The Lord of the Rings if he was completely ignorant of Tolkien? Why then do you presume to review this film when you are so obviously ignorant of Lasky's epic? By Glox, I suspect you are a seagull or some other variety of wet pooper!
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST
Zack The Hack Snyder already made 300, and for that alone he fully gained his lifetime membership into the Hack Pack. WATCHMEN, or rather, the botchered job he made in that movie that is Watchmen In Name Only only confirmed it. And the trailer of this new movie of his is full of retard. Zack The Hack indeed.
Sept. 22, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST
Many other hacks besides Zack The Hack Snyder deserve their waterloos too. Michellete Bay, Jar Jar Abrams, McGonalds, Brett The Rat Ratner, John No More Moore, Paul WC Anderson, even fucking Robert How The Mighty Have Fallen Zemeckis. All of those should had massive Waterloo massacres and then disappear from the face of world cinema forever. And good fucking ridence to those fools.
Sept. 22, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST
Sept. 22, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST
I was one of those that thought making a Watchmen movie was a bad idea. That there was no way to do it and do it justice. The movie surprised me. I like it. I like it better then the book. I like the ending better. The movie has balls. It even did the animated Black Freighter and all things considered it is far better then what I could ever have imagined a Watchmen being. <p> People claiming to be fans of Watchmen but hating on the movie is really just cheap. Same goes for 300. You don't like the style fine. Whatever. But don't act like because you don't like it it sucks. I truly enjoy the shit out of it. Its fucking batshit nuts like the book that inspired it. It looks great and Leonidas is fucking cool as hell. It being a tall tale is just fucking cool. It is infinitely more rewatchable then Sin City is for me. Sorry you don't like it. I am just not sure where this hostility towards Snyder is coming from when he clearly has talent. Not sure why you don't see that. You think any number of the real hacks could make one of Snyder's movies better or even have the audacity to make this Legend movie, or the ability?
Sept. 22, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST
I can (mostly) get behind that list. Although, sometimes I think that Robert Zemeckis merely needs a swift kick to the head to turn him around.
Sept. 22, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST
...I love it when jaded, cynical "grown-ups" review movies aimed at children...
Sept. 22, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST
...is it called "fatbacking" or "backfatting?" He's the perfect fit for this site; false bravado wrapped in personal frustration. Ahhhh... did a quick google. Radio personality. This all makes sense now.
Sept. 22, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST
I totally get the uncanny valley thing but I didn't really feel it in this film. I think a huge tell with UVT is the dead eyes, and the eyes of these owls are pretty expressive and alive-seeming, so it makes the whole thing much easier to swallow. The animation may actually be its strongest point, in my opinion.<p> One thing about the style, which I mentioned before, it's very reminiscent of THE SECRET OF NIMH in the sense that the characters have a slightly stylized look- the bad owls have feathers sticking out in patches and exaggerated manes like the great owl, others are frazzled looking like Jeremy the crow. It's hard to explain, but it felt very much like the darker parts of NIMH in more than one occasion for me.
Sept. 22, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST
I'm sorry I missed your earlier post. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you weren't going after the whole of Miller's work. Whatever aggravation I might have felt toward you is now, in effect, erased. Thanks again for gettin' your feet dirty with the rest of us just to clear that up. By the way, I don't want to call you 'Fatboy' (I've heard it used cruelly for too many years for it to ring right in my ears), and Bobby seems a bit informal (given your reviewer status you outrank this mere talkbacker)... So that's why I've been going with Mr. Roberts (in case you were curious).
Sept. 22, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST
first of all zack synder is no hack. He has brought us masterpieces. forthe films he has made they look exactly like their comic book origins. Secondly he is a fanboy of anything he makes thats why the detail in those movies worked. I mean who didnt notice in 300 the final scene when leonidas was standing with the shield bubble in the back wtf ripped straight from the pages. You fatboy are biased not only to discredit synder but to even discredit frank miller who created sin city, the dakr knight returns and wrote and created the original 300 comic. Did you even sit and watch the movie? cinematically it's very beautiful and great attention is paid to detail. I mean did you even read the source material? The trailer got me interested and im a grown man for crying out loud. I'll wait for the blu-ray. then we'll see if i agree with your review or not.
Sept. 23, 2010, 6:37 a.m. CST
Had to google it. Turns out they eat cunt mites.<p> AICN - always an educational experience.
Sept. 23, 2010, 8:09 a.m. CST
Sept. 23, 2010, 8:18 a.m. CST
i'm with u... epic war snail movie!!!!
Sept. 23, 2010, 8:53 a.m. CST
I have lurked these TB's for a while, I post rarely but omfg asimov you fucking assclown. Do you spend your time coming up with clever "names" for the directors you hate? You realize what an immature asshole you come across as by doing that don't you? Of course you don't, your gonna say its justified. Get a life douche bag. Contribute something to the world other than trek bashing and inventing "kewl" nicknames for directors.<P>FOr the record, I am not a fan of any of those guys save for zemeckis, my point is not about them, its about the dick who nicknames them so cleverly. Get a life.
Sept. 23, 2010, 9:57 a.m. CST
by Grandpa Bunche
I missed the post where you made things clear. And I'm with you on 300. I didn't like the graphic novel in the first place and I remember thinking Miller was done when I read it. That broke my heart because I had been on board from his days on Daredevil, and the decline in quality was just staggering. I hated the movie even more and I simply don't understand why the film struck such a chord with so many people, especially guys. If you want to see that same story told with more emphasis on story rather than visual gimmickry, check out THE 300 SPARTANS (1962).