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An Exclusive Trailer For J.W. Rinzler's Amazing Book THE MAKING OF STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!

Merrick here...
...with a trailer for the forthcoming THE MAKING OF STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK from Del Rey.
This one's from J. W. Rinzler, who previously brought us THE COMPLETE MAKING OF INDIANA JONES and THE MAKING OF STAR WARS . Both are excellent titles, the later I hold is (probably) the finest "Making of..." book ever created. As such, it was with no small amount of Geeked-out enthusiasm that I learned Mr. Rinzler was assembling a MAKING OF STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - devoted to what I consider the finest of all STAR WARS films. And I'm extremely happy to report that, whether you're a fan of Rinzler's previous work, of EMPIRE, or of both, this newest installment pays off in profound ways. I've been looking through it, and it's pretty much everything we'd want it to be. Look for a more detailed assessment in the coming weeks. For now, here's hint of what you'll find in the book, courtesy of Del Rey and the folks over at Lucasfilm.

You can learn more about Rinzler's THE MAKING OF STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK HERE, and it's also up for pre-order HERE. Stay tuned...
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  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by ndally

    Can't wait. First?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by Jaffa8

    Why don't you give this book away?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Trailers for books?

    by Spyhunter

    The mind boggles.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Any deleted scene pics?

    by ndally

    Like the Wampa attack? Or extended Luke training?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I hope they don't make these for the prequels

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Because what would be the point? How many pictures can you have with B-list actors staring at green screens and C-stands with golf balls on strings hanging from them?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Jaffa8-To slow!

    by ndally

    Fastest clicker in the west bitches

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by jansona

    I can't see an embedded trailer with any explorer

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I'll be checking this out from the library where I work

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    The largest goddamn library in the goddamn world. Thank you American taxpayers!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Hamlet Moment with Kersh and Chewie

    by puto tenax

    I loved that still! About 2:20 into the spot. Hell, I'm buying the book now.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Apple has the trailer for Dr. Phil's new book, too

    by Tigger Tales

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:58 a.m. CST

    These books

    by ObiBen

    have the classy feel and quality of what SW used to be, before it went all Star Trek with the crappy merchandising and tree ornaments.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Blasphemy, I know, but...

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    I know, I know, cut his tongue out with a rusty knife.. BUT.. I actually would not mind seeing ESB get a little update in the SFX department. I am talking about the stop-motion stuff, especially the stuff with the Tauntauns.. the Walkers still hold up, and in fact the effects in every other bit of the movie are still believable and cool, even after all this time. But seeing those choppy stop-motion tauntauns just takes me right out of the moments, and if it could be done *SUBTLY*, ie NOT like was done in the re-releases of Star Wars, by adding all the effects in Mos Eisley and all that, just to be able to say Hey look at all the cool stuff.. I mean just clean it up, make it look a little less like obvious stop-motion.. heck redo the Walkers too, again only if it doesn't become a LOOK AT THIS, SEE HOW MUCH COOLER IT IS?? GEORGE SAYS SO! Kind of thing, then I would actually welcome it. The movie is too good not to shore up its only weaknesses. Oh, and leave Yoda alone, no CGI there..! Bah!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    @Jansona -- Trailer is here :

    by V'Shael<br /><br />Just make sure you delete any spaces inserted by AICN into that URL.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by CreationistTechnophobicManiacs

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    God I miss Star Wars

    by Charles_Corkey_Thatcher

    Come on Lucas, write a story and work with some great young filmmakers and erase the bad taste of the prequals from everyone's mouth.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Basically Jedis are just celibate pussys without much intuition,

    by UltraTron

    streetsmarts, etc. They are just some inept cops who get served. But at least Lucas knows how to handle cops on film. Terminate them like Arnold. Speaking of terminating- Jeff Fahey gives the best 2 gun termination sequence since terminator. Thoughts?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Was it 2 or 1? Absolute badass is what it was

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Cue the Worship of Kurtz

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Cue the Veneration of Martha Lucas

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    and Cue the Demonization of Lucas!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I wish I could enjoy any movie...

    by Ditko

    ...from the last 20 years as much as I love Empire. I mean, the only make of book I'd get excited nowadays would be an Eyes Wide Shut one. Empire is such a great movie! Although it drags a little during the asteroid stuff. Admit it.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I've had my copy pre-ordered for months

    by barsoom79

    Merrick is right on here (and he's a lucky bastard to have a review copy in his hands!) -- Rinzler did a fantastic job with his other making-of books (hell, I even picked up a used copy of his The Making of Revenge of Sith just to see in detail how the prequels went so horribly wrong!). If this is in the same class as the others, considering that its subject is best Star Wars film the new book should be amazing.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Cue to the cue

    by ObiBen

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I will read this book at the library!!!!

    by Jehovahs_Witness

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    cue the ball

    by durhay

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    cue the drum slowly

    by durhay

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    cue cue cue the pyew pyew pyew

    by durhay

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    John Williams' score makes anything seem epic

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    You have some guy talking about a book, yet with that sublime music in the background is seems to majestic!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I've had this on pre-order for months.

    by Banshee7

    Can't wait. My favorite film of all time.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:53 a.m. CST

    You can forget any Dave Prowse images

    by Bentley_Bear

    in this book. What a shame. Years from now, people will look at this book and want to know who the guy was that played Darth Vader, not the voice.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Books do not exist in this dojo!

    by Manatee

    Me ain't not visit these websites for too read books.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the 3D Clone Wars Cartoon

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I'm kidding.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Bentley_Bear, why?

    by DrRumpledink

    What? Don't be so stupid. Of course there will be pictures of him in it.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I have this book already

    by tronprogram

    Amazon sent it to me about 2 weeks ago. It is a great book. Interesting to read about tensions on the set and how slowly the thing was filmed.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    The Star Wars book is amazing.

    by vic twenty

    I will definitely be picking this up. THE film of my youth. No amount of reverse pussification of Star Wars can hinder my love of this film.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    For the Lucas haters....

    by LLcruize2

    I see folks pissing and moaning all the time about Lucas, but you know, the guy put together one of the best 3 film story arcs ever. He put a lot on the line to get these films made and I don't begrudge him of anything in the spoils he has earned. I look forward to these types of books on all of the Star Wars films. Glad to see books like this which go back into the archives and pull the real story out. Empire is my favorite of the 6 films, followed by Sith, New Hope, Phantom, Clones and the muppet fest known as Return of the Jedi. Would love to have a making of book for all of them to sit next to my six film set.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I got the MEANEST CHILLS!!! AWESOME!!!

    by chadiwack

    Can't wait. Already dropped the hints for the wife to buy it for Christmas.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    "It was a struggle to get it made"

    by Rodie

    Doesn't this guy realize that that struggle is what makes great art great? If there's no tension, no creative push and pull, if the filmmakers don't hate to fight for there ideas, defend their ideas and really prove themselves then the final product will not be as good. It's no coincidence that the first two Star Wars were the "toughest" to get made and yet they are the best of the series.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're not wrong. When you eliminate problems and make everything easy for yourself you end up with something flat and inert, like the prequels. <p> That still of the puppet Yoda is more realistic than any CG Yoda shot i've seen.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Scratch that...

    by Rodie

    Try this one, sans typos: Doesn't this guy realize that that struggle is what makes great art great? If there's no tension, no creative push and pull, if the filmmakers don't have to fight for their ideas, defend their ideas and really prove themselves then the final product will not be as good. It's no coincidence that the first two Star Wars were the "toughest" to get made and yet they are the best of the series.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    The Cinema of George Lucas by Marcus Hearn

    by CREG

    Is a great read as well. It's amazing the impact Lucas has had on modern cinema. Looking forward to this.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by ObiBen

    That that is correct.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Scratch that

    by ObiBen

    That that is correct.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Merrick, the word is LATTER, not LATER.

    by jawsfan

    And Rinzler's book on Star Wars was great too. Gave it to my nephew as a Christmas gift after I read it. Wish I'd kept it. Might break into my nephew's room at my sister's house and take it back one day.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Buy "The Secret History of Star Wars" by M. Kaminski

    by JGer

    Just got done with it, a (sometimes exhaustive) look into the making of each film, the changes in the scripts, and how full of shit Lucas is. Im a fanboy defender of GL, but this book will blow your mind, trust me. Its like "The Annotated Screenplays" (another much have) on steroids.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by Se7en

    I need to read it now.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I hope they DO make these for the prequels

    by rev_skarekroe

    The official making of books that came out when the films were new don't have the benefit of hindsight.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    The prequels already have "Making of" books

    by Tacom

    Trust me, all you get when you read them is that the movies are pretty much what Lucas wanted to make.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST

    This will be like porn to me

    by Abominable Snowcone

    and vigorously shall I choke my scruffy-looking nerfherder

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Forward by Ridley Scott??

    by Valenni

    Wonder what he has to say? Snd I think Ridley should direct a Superman film, Batman film and a Star Wars film. Now please.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    talk about bleeding these movies to death

    by MegaStiffy

    how can there be anything left to discover

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    DAH DAH DAH It's the same shit over and over

    by RPLocke

    I'll wait for the Blue Ray now. Why read about it, when you can see it?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    will not match...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...the brutally honest hilarity of the Alan Arnold book.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Got this today...

    by Stale Elvis

    Had this book delivered today - it's out early in the UK. Just about to sit down with it now and a cup of tea. Looks the shit :)

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by Bileranter

    ok, move on

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    The Revenge of the Sith prequel book needs an update

    by RPLocke

    It was written during the making of the movie which is never a good idea. TPM never had a making of book either.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by smylexx

    I've had my copy of this book for about 10 days. The release date was changed in the UK. Not sure if that's the same story in the states. <P> Gotta say that i'm in total agreement that The Making of Star Wars is one of the finest Making Of.. books written.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Sith Witch

    I cannot agree more; The Secret History of SW" is the best "making-of" movie book ever! I have been trying for the past year and a half to get Jason and Jimmy of The Force-Cast to read it, but they are very resistant to it based on hearsay about it. Too bad...

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the 3D Clone Wars Cartoon!

    by Sith Witch

    I'm NOT kidding... Season 3 looks AMAZING!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    I both respect Lucas for what he achieved and mourn for what he has become. The man isn't a filmmaker anymore - he's a ruthless businessman. He could literally make any film he or anybody else wanted, but he refuses to. I recall after Episode III came out that he said he was going to concentrate on 'small, little films'. Five years on, what's he done? An Indiana Jones sequel, a Clone Wars cartoon and film, and prepped a Star Wars TV show! There's that Red Wings film, but is that really worthy of five years time? Coppola always speaks about how talented Lucas is, but that he won't do it for whatever reason. Can you believe that? A guy who claims to be a filmmaker who could make ANY film he wants to, but won't! He's too busy selling more Star Wars tack! I wish he'd let it go... <p> I'm interested that Revenge of the Sith is your second favourite film. I enjoy some parts (the first 20 minutes are the closest that the Prequels ever come in terms of pacing and tone), but then George totally ruins Anakin's turn by having him join Palpatine DESPITE KNOWING HE'S JUST BEEN LIED TO!!! "Yeah, Actually I don't know how to cheat death, but we can try and find out sometime if you want?" It makes it difficult for me to rewatch it these days. Then you have Palpatine's voice shifting like he's getting a blow job, and big mean Vader's contribution to wiping out the Jedi being the killing of Younglings! Unbelievable.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Why link it to Random House when it's $35 cheaper on Amazon?

    by Trazadone

    Why link it to Random House when it's $35 cheaper on Amazon? I'm just sayin'

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I, for one, like the prequels...

    by darthwaz1

    Even though I grew up w/the OT. The prequels will never have the great nostalgia that the OT has for me, but as movies I really enjoy them. Same goes for the Clone Wars cartoon.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I think it's even cheaper on Barnes and Noble

    by RPLocke

    It's 20 percent off.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:09 p.m. CST

    It's $53.55 on Amazon

    by Trazadone


  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Ouch 57 on Barnes and Noble

    by RPLocke

    But you get free shipping.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Motorcycle Boy...

    by DoubleFantasy

    Fair points but I think you miss the point of Anakin's turn in ROTS. He knows full well palpatine is a lying bastard but does it anyway because of his absolute lust of power. He is clearly disgusted with himself and upset (crying on mustafar) but does it anyway. Kind of saying "la la la" in his head while slaughtering kids, completely blanking out the reality for the sake of his newfound power. palpatine tricked him right enough - groomed him even from very young - but he wasn't fully manipulated. He wanted power, to touch the darkness. But apart from that it's refreshing to see anyone else agree that ROTS is arguably up there with the OT cause it is. It is an amazingly dark and complicated film and much better than its two first chapters. That's why you will very rarely EVER find a wholly negative review of ROTS. And why twats like that plinkett sort conveniently skip ROTS when slagging off "the prequels".

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I just bought the making of star wars

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    I was over at amazon adding the new drew struzan book to my cart when making of SW was in my "you might be interested in". Funny, i'd never even heaqrd of this book, but after hearing there was one for empire I bought the first one right away. <P>Is the indy book also worth buying?

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    indy book is excellent too..

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Motorcycle Boy:

    by Sith Witch

    Also keep in mind that what you defer to as a simple "cartoon" is a very rich and complicated series aired after most children are in bed. Anakin Force-tortures a prisoner, there are frequent decapitations, impaling, limbs torn off, point blank shots to the head, et cetera.<p>The point of the series, which Lucas announced back in 1978 to Rolling Stone, along with the upcoming live-action series to fill in the other notable series' gap, is to not only flesh out the offscreen events of the films, but to also give them more context and resonance with each other. In the Clone Wars you see Anakin as the great hero and friend, as described by Obi-Wan in A New Hope. We also see so many other factors coming into play that lead to his decision to surrender to Palpatine, despite knowing he's been lied to. The biggest one on display is his eventual loss of Ahsoka; what happens with her is instrumental to what he does in that moment within RotS.<p> Lucas does indeed have more art films in-store, but is waiting to get both series finished. Originally he wasn't going to have a hand in the CW series, but early on discovered it was so much fun that he personally outlines and co-edits every episode that airs. <p>And he may be a businessman, but he's not greedy. Aside from recently donating half his total wealth to charity, he's always given huge percentages back to the industry itself, making it better for the medium itself. Because of him the whole theatrical experience is decades further than it would've been otherwise.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    The Making of Ewoks: Caravan of Courage

    by pokadoo

    Can't wait.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:54 p.m. CST

    That vehicle from ROTS was meant for ESB?

    by Orionsangels

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST


    by bod33

    I love the fact that my old man worked on Empire. I remember him bringing me home two blasters which he stole from the set.<p>I smashed the shit out of them tho as i was a kid and actually used them, instead of thinking about the value of them now.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    just added the making of indy to my cart

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    Glad to see it includes KOTCS. I love that movie and consider it a big part of the indy saga

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    Nothing makes a great film like struggle & determination

    by Orionsangels

    It's why the 3 first films are so amazing. Because you have a lack of money. You have special effects artist who have no idea how they're going to tackle a special effect. You develop this ambitious hunger in your soul. That brings the best out of you. Something sorely lacking in the prequels.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Oh no, I do get what Lucas was trying to do. Anakin's trying to correct what he percieves to by his mistake of having his mother die in his arms because "I wasn't strong enough to save you" and he thinks having more power will let him save Padme. The idea that he's willing to do anything to achieve that, even a Faustian deal. I also appreciate the irony that had he stayed a Jedi he would have discovered the ability to "cheat death" by Qui Gon's offscreen discovery. I get all that, but the way Lucas executed it was awful. Anakin giving his allegiance to a guy he knows can't help him with his problem just makes him look like a moron. Then you have the execution of the scene with a bloated Palpatine with his voice going all throaty and changing pitch "The Force is stROOOOOOOONG with yOOOOUUU!!!". I find it embarrassingly amateur; that scene is almost like a parody. <p> I do enjoy ROTS on the whole, particularly the first twenty minutes which I love. Some of the design work is wonderful - the Jedi Starfighters are one of my very favourite ships from the entire saga. Another good score by John Williams. But Anakin's turn makes it incredibly difficult for me to watch it in its entirety. <p> I agree that ROTS is the least flawed of the Prequels, but there's still lots of problems with it. Off the top of my head: Why does Padme lose the will to live when she's just had two children? Do they mean nothing to her then? Why does Leia recall her mother when she was little and being very "sad"? Why does Sith lightning change Palpatine's face and skin colour (and finger nails?) yet Luke is given a huge dose (not as close proximity, true) yet looks fine? Why is Leia a Princess when Bail isn't a King? Why does it take them 18 years to build The Death Star? <p> I do have a soft spot for the Prequels as they were being made as I was first getting into Star Wars. They also taught me quite a bit about the filmmaking process (don't laugh!); check the DVDs, they have some terrific extras and documentaries. Anyway, it's nice to debate it civilly unlike many people online! Cheers.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Nothing makes a great film like struggle & determination

    by Orionsangels

    You have a lack of money. Special Effects artist who have no idea how they're gonna tackle a Special Effect. You develop this ambitious drive in your soul. That brings out this best in you. Something sorely lacking from the prequels.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    bod33's dad is Jett

    by RedBull_Werewolf

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by Sith Witch

    Palpatine's delivery is VERY German Expressionist, revealing his inner nature, and reflective of the Expressionist-inspired Frankenstein lab that comes later on for Vader's birth. <p> As for why Leia remembers her mother's face? It's her connection to the Force; she remembers images and feelings more than any ordinary newborn would. And Padme dying from shock after finding out her husband was not only a murderer of children, but also a would-be killer of her and their children, all against the outbreak of Galactic War and the loss of the Jedi protectorate are all too much for her system after the heavy stress of childbirthing not one, but two children.<p> The novelisation makes it clear that Palpatine has always looked decrepit because he was eaten alive by the Dark Side, but he'd been using the Force to cloud his appearance to appear normal. It's when he's called out for what he is that he allows his true nature to be revealed, and then he lies to the public that it was injuries.<p>And Alderaan, like Naboo, has elected royalty. "Princess" is a title Leia is elected to at a young age, just as her mother had been.<p>Now why it took 17 1/2 yrs. to build the Death Star is a good question, but I'm sure it'll be revealed in the upcoming live-action series!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST


    by bod33

    Seeing as my old man is dead, i wish he was Jett

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Sith Witch

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    You are insinuating a lot of things. Why are you trying to attribute things to me that I haven't even said? First of all, I wasn't using the word "cartoon" in a derogatory manner as you are falsely suggesting. But it is an animated show with episodes that had a character called "Stinky" and is broadcast on CARTOON NETWORK! What did you want me to call it? A live action political drama? <p> That's great that we see Anakin and Obi Wan's friendship in a TV show, because we hardly saw much of it in the films. Why couldn't George have actually portayed him like this in the films instead of wasting time having him moan about Obi Wan and robot droids telling silly jokes. I don't mind the medium of television being used to help flesh out exisitng stories or look at different perspectives, but they shouldn't be used as an excuse to defend essential problems with a film's script and storytelling. <p> You do realise that Ashoka's fate (I assume this is the annoying girl Jedi?) actually has no real relevance to Anakin's actions in ROTS because she didn't even exist when Lucas wrote the script and actually made the film? And how many who have watched the film have watched the show? I would wager not many. So, ultimately, to fully understand the Prequels, people must watch two different television shows?! Which is what you seem to be alluding to? Apologies if not. Where do you draw the line? How about we read a dozen novels as well to understand why Padme lost her will to live? That just sounds like something from an apologist hymn sheet; weak execuse for poor and lazy writing, which, fan or not, undeniably plagues the Prequels. <p> I never said he was greedy, I said he was ruthless. I hope we do see some original art films from him, I'd love it - but I'm not holding my breath. To quote myself: "I both respect Lucas for what he achieved and mourn for what he has become."

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    My mom cant stand that I watch ESB...

    by nastee_flembot

    Almost once a week. And she also cant stand the fact that I am a thirty nine year old virgin living in her attic.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by Sith Witch

    Hold on! I'm not attacking you as viciously as I may have appeared to. You actually have had valid points all the way, but I was trying to answer your questions as simply as I know.<p> Where do I draw the line? As George says, anything that is part of the 2 television series, the six live-action films, and the (eventual trilogy) of the Force Unleashed series are what is official canon. All those other games, comics, and novels (save the novelisations of the aforementioned) are canonical. I do realise that it's silly to expect the public to watch all that material (though collectively it'll only end up being around 150 hrs. of material in the end, which is the average length of something like Lost or The Sopranos). I wouldn't say the problem is that he didn't include that stuff in the films; the problem was that he's doing it so out of order that the mass public lost the thread the instant Episode 1 came out. <p> And yes, Ahsoka started off as brash and annoying, which was the point, because now she's quickly maturing and learning how her cattiness has begun to cost dozens of lives during battle. They had to start her off like they did so they could transition to the war-weary individual she's become. Yoda specifically assigned her to Anakin to teach him a lesson, ince she exhibited some of his same faults. But the plan backfires and he's tainting her in way, and also developing massive non-romantic attachment to her, the same as he has with R2, the same as he has the most for Padme.<p> It's unfortunate the series is on Cartoon Network; I hadn't watched television in 15 yrs. so I didn't know how that channel was regarded by adults, but assumed it fit into the same cool college crowd viewing alongside Comedy Central. At any rate, they're doing a bang-up job as the series progresses from the more innocent first days of the Clone Wars just after Episode II's events, to the very dark and mature galaxy we see in Episode III.<p> I actually love that you brought up the dichotomy of Qui-Gon's offering of eternal life versus Sidious' (non)-version. That is an incredible insight I'd not considered before!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by TheJudger

    That is the only damn part of this book I want to read. Please leaky the pickies!

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:09 p.m. CST


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  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip <p> Maybe it evolved into this. I had this (or something similar) back in the early eighties. You pushed down on it and the wheels would extend fore and aft, lowering the vehicle. I know the design was used in RotS but they did release a toy that seems based on this idea back in the day.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST


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  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by Sailor Rip

    ...I thought the live action series was scrapped. No? I hope not. From the way they were describing it it seemed like it would focus on the criminal underworld and basically be "The Adventures of Boba Fett".

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip:

    by Sith Witch

    It's on hold until they can budget the already-written scripts for season 1 into the territory of television. And yes, it's supposed to be like "The Wire", about Boba and other bounty hunters, but we may be waiting another several years 'til it hits (more than likely overlapping the last season of The Clone Wars if I had to guess).

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Sith Witch mk 2

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Nice observations regarding German Expressionism, but whatever George's intent, the execution made it ridiculous within the context of the film. What should have been one of the most powerful moments in the entire saga comes off very hokey. Fair enough if it works for you, but it just gets worse and worse with each subsequent viewing for me. <p> Leia said her mother died when she was very young; she didn't say that she died when she was 2 minutes old. George just retconned the scene to make it more convenient for him, which wasn't an uncommon practice for him in the Prequels. They never say Padme dies of shock, in fact they find nothing wrong with her. They literally say that. She just 'lost the will to live' which is so flimsy. I feel that Lucas suddenly realised 'Oh crap, Padme was never in the original films... what am I going to do with her? Ah, I'll just let her die! Problem solved.' Just like how the whole Syfo Dyas stuff was never explained either. <p> I haven't read the novel, but I think Lucas says in the commentary that the lightning does that to Palpatine's face, so it's not his natural appearance per se, I had always assumed that it was, as you explained, that he used to the force to hide his true face. I'm going by memory so I can't confirm this, maybe Lucas didn't say that. <p> Interesting point about Alderaan having elected royalty, but again it is never mentioned in the actual films, unless I'm forgetting something? I'm sorry, but I don't think it should be necessary to have to watch a TV show half a decade after the film was released, or to read a novel (which is really a writer filling in a lot gaps with their own thoughts that don't necessarily mesh with the director/script writer's intent) to understand things that the film didn't show us. That's a weak excuse, especially when said director had 15 years to write these films. The Original films didn't need books, cartoons, TV shows to explain things - the Prequels shouldn't have either. <p> Anyway, nice debating with you.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I always thought that Yoda bit Palpatine

    by TheJudger

    and the venom yoda released with the bite fucked up his skin and face like that. Luke got hit with shit loads of lightning and it didnt change his apperance. What a missed opper man. Just saying.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    I recently brought over a set of the star wars dvd to my

    by TheJudger

    nephew, and suddenly before handing them over to his dad, i thought oh shit. wait how are you gonna let him waqtch these. His dad looked at me like i was fucking nuts. I said think about it man. all of the surprise moments "the death star" "I am your father" "obiwans lies" "leia is lukes sister" "what vader really looks like" all of it ruined of it's "oh shit" moments if this my nep watches it in chronological order. He totally understood and said yeah We'll the Ot first. Damnit. I've honestly never thought about how much the prequel ruin the originals. This was a wake up call for me.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Sith Witch mk 3!

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    OK, we've cleared up the misunderstanding then! I was a little too robust in my defence. Apologies. <p> I hadn't actually heard George say that about the canon. Interesting to hear that. To be honest, I've largely laid Star Wars to rest since 2005, so I haven't really kept afoot of what's happening in the universe. As I said, I'm not closed to enriching some of the unspoken aspects of the films, but I feel it a little cheap to use it to further expand your main characters when you should have been using your films to do that. <p> I have only ever seen a few of the early episodes of the Clone Wards where they had to rescue Jabba's kidnapped son (what?!). But it never really appealed to me and I wasn't a fan of the visual style so I never followed it up. It did feel as though it was aimed more at a younger audience, but from what you've said it sounds like it's matured; you have however piqued my interest so I might have to give it another look. <p> Glad you appreciated the point about Sidious/Qui Gon's eternal life! There are still some really interesting facets to George's writing for the Prequels, I just wished he had surrounded himself with a harder producer and another writer to curtail some of his ideas and shortcomings. I think we would have definitely had stronger films as a result. <p> Anyway, nice to discuss the Prequels with respect and not have it devolve into petty name calling and insults as Talk Backs so frequently tend to do on here! Well played, sir.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    The lightning didn't change Palpatine's appearance. Palpatine was finally letting loose of all his anger and Sith rage. He didn't have to hide anything anymore.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    A plot point about Padme's death you don't appear to get: it's a self-fulfilling prophesy, a classic ingredient in Greek tragedy (cf., Oedipus Rex). Anakin has a vision of Padme dying, so based on his previous experience with his mother and Asoka, he does everything he can to prevent that vision from becoming reality. In doing that, he brings about precisely what he tried to prevent... By the way, I don't see how Palpatine lied. Palpatine never claims that *he* knows the secret to eternal life - he claims it's only possible to learn that power through him.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for that Paul Sammon ALIENS

    by ewokstew

    book to come out. Which will be never, I guess. If there's one genre movie that's absolutely screaming for a "making of" book it's ALIENS. Instead we got the Making of "Alien Resurrection"...nice....

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 6:54 p.m. CST

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    Oh no, I get it. Lucas repeats a lot of beats throughout the films, and Anakin's nightmares/visions mean certain death and he vows to do anything to stop it from happening again like it did with his mother. Padme dying is good in principle - it's not her death that I have a problem with, it's the way it happens. It could have been tragic and solved the problem of her non-presence in the OT, but it was done in such an amateur way. "Errr, she just dies. Just 'cause." Not even as a result of her injuries! What the hell was Lucas doing? And why didn't his team get their heads out of his backside and tell him to tweak it. Did you honestly find it satisfying that she just "loses the will to live"? <p> Palpatine tells Anakin that Darth Plagueis learns how to cheat death and "he taught his apprentice everything he knew". He then reveals himself as that apprentice, knowing that this will secure Anakin. Then, after Anakin sides with him he comes out with this gem: "To cheat death is a power only one has achieved though centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal life." In laymen's terms: "I dunno.". So he clearly misleads Anakin, and, for me, lies about it. That's fair enough for his character - he's a deceiving son of a gun - but for Anakin agreeing to go along with him knowing that he can't actually help him just doesn't resonate with me. <p> We are talking about the moment that the entire saga hinges on, and it's utter fluff. Yes, I appreciate that seeds were sown with Anakin's inability to let go of things, but Palpatine is revealed as a bullshit merchant there and then. It needed something stronger there so the audience could understand why Anakin surrenders his sense, but siding with a guy who actually can't help him? Ridiculous. <p> Now, if any of those moments held dramatic weight for you guys then fair enough; you are better men than I. I just can't help but feel disappointed by them. I bid thee all good night.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Motorcycle and Sith Witch

    by LLcruize2

    Have enjoyed the conversation back and forth. To acknowledge your question as to why Sith is my second favorite, I think it had a deeper affect on me than any of the other prequels as well as New Hope and Return (blasphamy I know, but truth for me). There are many moments in Sith which speak volumes emotionally; the killing of the Jedi's, Padme's recognition of democracy being lost in thunderous applause, Padme and Anakin being shown at the very moment his decision to cross over is made, the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin, the final words between Obi Wan and Anakin after Obi Wan has taken his arm and legs, the delivery of Luke and Leia to their homes, the moment the helmet is placed on Anakin's head and the first breath of Darth Vador, etc. Just so many moments that are, for me, fan fullfilling moments. I am forgiving of some of the smaller details because basically trying to do the prequels was crazy to attempt anyway given the expectations. But to try and cross every T and dot every I was going to be impossible. Timelines were going to be and are a bit dodgy. Events are not going to be quit as neatly explained as we might want. I have used Sith in many youth lessons as it stands as a perfect morality lesson.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    such a great film..god the prequels suck

    by FleshMachine

    i mean really...that book trailer has more drama and emotion in it

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 7:23 p.m. CST

    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    "Did you honestly find it satisfying that she just "loses the will to live"? " She doesn't - the robot just makes that comment metaphorically. He might as well have said "it's as though she's lost the will to live". I find it abundantly clear that Padme dies as a consequences of Anakin's actions - her heartbreak over him becoming evil, perhaps combined with the exhaustion of childbirth. And yes, that works very well for me. As for Palpatine: "He then reveals himself as that apprentice" ... no, he doesn't, he never says anything of the sort. BTW, I forgot, in response to another objection of yours, Anakin doesn't just kill Younglings, on the holograms Abi-Wan and Yoda watch, Anakin is clearly seen fighting and killing adult Jedi.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Padme's death

    by jameskpolk

    seems to me to be a throwback to old school Romanticism. I see the prequel trilogy as a kind of opera. (And isn't the scene where Palpatine and Anakin discuss eternal life happening during the performance of an Opera of some sort?) Anyhoo, people died of broken hearts all the damn time in operas.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 7:54 p.m. CST

    the only star wars book I've ever purchased

    by sith_rising

    were the 6 "Art Of" books - I'm a sucker for concept art books. And those two Art of Myth/Magic of Myth books. But I'll probably flip through this at Barnes & Noble. Unless it's shrink-wrapped. In which case, I'll open it.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Looks good, although

    by Teddy Artery

    I have seen many of the pictures shown in this preview in the many and varied sources I've seen before. I admit, I haven't seen the casual behind the scenes shots of the actors.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 8:24 p.m. CST

    this almost made me want to cry

    by MurderMostFowl

    Even that making of trailer was enough to remind me of how awesome the original trilogy is, and how uninspired and weak most of the prequel story is. <BR><BR> The symbol of all that is wrong with the prequel universe has been the "jets on R2" , jar jar, and mediclorians. <BR><BR> In 10 seconds I'm shown AT-ATs, Han solo saying goodbye to Leia and Vader scaring the piss out of Luke as he slowly tracks him down and I can almost forget the prequels. Hell, even the worst scenes in ESB trump all but the best scenes in the prequels.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised!

    by tomandshell

    I would have expected to see an affiliate link on the main page with a title like "14 CENTS FOR EMPIRE!!!" and when I am interested enough to click and check it out, I discover that they divided the cost by the total number of pages and proclaimed a misleadingly low-sounding price to catch my eye.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 9:27 p.m. CST

    "the original trilogy".... ROTJ sucked ass

    by Rupee88

    ESB is way overrated but you are a fucking retard if you like ewoks.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Motorcycle, LLcruize2, jameskpolk:

    by Sith Witch

    Thanks for the good conversation and debate; I learn something new every time I get into these conversations. <p> Alas, I now see a GLARING omission in something I said: I meant to say that the 2 series, the 6 films, and the Force Unleashed games, and all accompanying novelisations are canon, but that everything else (comics, novels, games) are NON-canonical. I think you understood what I meant, but I was horrified to see I'd left out the "non" qualifier in reference to the other material!<p> LLcruize2: I'm glad you've enjoyed the back and forth. jameskpolk: I too think of the first half of the story (1-3) as an opera, Sith being of the Wagnerian variety!

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Sith Witch

    by JGer

    I cannot imagine why any SW fan wouldnt read that book, it is by far the most in depth discussion about how the stories developed from draft to draft ever. Yes the author calls Lucas out a bit on how he never really planned the 6 films to be the "tragedy of Darth Vader" in fact Darth Vader and Daddy Skywalker were 2 seperate characters until the 2nd draft of Empire. But the glimpses of what Return of the Jedi COULD have been after perusing the early drafts alone was worth the purchase for me. I am dying to discuss the book with a hardcore SW fan, just dont know any. I am also dying to get this book but the rest of you trust me if you're a big SW nerd get "Secret History of Star Wars"

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I gotta have this book!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    This is looking amazing.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by Ecto-1

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I've had it for the last 2 weeks and it rocks


    For some reason Amazon have already sent mine, had it on pre-order since Feb. I wasn't until I read this I didn't know it hadn't already been released. Don't beleive me- well under the dust cover is a raised sillouette of yoda, much like the George Lucas signature on the first book.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Do THE BLACK HOLE next, Rinzler!

    by Laserbrain

    Money in da bank.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 4:40 a.m. CST


    by Laserbrain

    For Rupee88 coz Star Wars is BELOW HIM.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit! I found Deleted Scenes from the O.T. Check this out

    by ndally C3P0 taking the sticker of the Wampa Room, the sand storm from ROTJ plus more. How they hell did they find these as i don't think it's from Lucas film..maybe it a leak from the Blu-Ray release

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 8:22 a.m. CST

    ..the fuck is up with the RotJ hate?

    by TheManWhoCan

    and that clown who put it behind all the prequels. id wather watch ewoks beating the shit out of stormtroopers than the cgi shitfest that was the gungun battle sequence in Manace ,or the jedi light stick arena show in Attack of the clones.<p> I can understand the few people that put Revenge ahead of Return, (even though they are wrong.)but putting manace and clones ahead of Jedi? get the fuck outa here!! <p> Go Ewoks!!!

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by TheManWhoCan

    literally, the unsung heroes of the entire saga.<p> jarjar has more face time in the spin off cartoon clone wars.whats up with that? to my knowage nobodys seen shit of the Ewoks since those 2 movies and cartoon in the 80's. none in the new cartoon or cgi cartoon or books. they made a brief (and pretty funny) apperance in one of those alternate relality comics a few years ago. (they attack the storm troopers and rebels, really fuck em up too!) .

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    ewoks, the only bad thing...

    by MurderMostFowl

    The only bad thing about the Ewoks was that they caused the empire to basically look like buffoons. I think there's a disconnect in the original audience though, because the storm troopers in Star wars ANH were just as ridiculous... I think people gloss over that because of the spirit of the first one being so expertly fleshed out into "more real" in Empire. In ESB, you really see why the Empire is feared. In ANH and the Ewok part of ROTJ, they're not. <BR><BR> I think Chewbacca's Tarzan yell is what put everything over the top there.. and the convenient "Swiss family robinson" style ways they defeated the empire. <BR><BR> The thing is, the rest of ROTJ is so brilliant, I can easily forgive the hokier ewok scenes. The forrest speeder scenes still hold up pretty well even. <BR><BR> And the final showdown with Luke and Vader is simply amazing. Luke Hiding in the darkness and then going apeshit on Vader when he says he'll go after Leia, is still more bad ass than All of the prequels together.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Chewbacca Tarzan Yell

    by Abominable Snowcone

    = Shia swinging with monkeys<p> I'm not sure which I prefer, the Ewok battle from Jedi or the Gungun battle from Menace. The Ewok battle doesn't have a token Steppin Fetchit character.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Shit i copied wrong link heres the proper one for O.T deleted sc

    by ndally i tiny url'd it. this is just a trailer for the whole thing. its in like 6 parts this is just the begining check out the videos after this one plays that says "deleted magic" on them

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone - Gungan battle

    by ObiBen

    Hardly can be called a battle. It's more a laser pew-pew, robot roger-roger brawl, with jar-jars messing with their blue balls and big canons.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone


  • Sept. 15, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Here's what I think of Ewoks

    by Abominable Snowcone

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Chewbacca takes a dump

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Friggin hilarious<p>

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    I saw Jedi recently. it's really kiddie

    by RPLocke

    I wish lucas could go back and remake Jedi knowing what we know with the prequels. Jedi has such HUGE missed opportunities, and the battles are boring.

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    RPLocke, I think you're on drugs

    by MurderMostFowl

    or showing your age... what do we "know now" that would affect Jedi? That Anakin is not actually worth saving? <BR><BR> You are bored by the battles because... ? <BR><BR> The only thing I think wrong with the battles in Jedi is that the assault on the Deathstar should have a longer period of time where the ships were engaging the super star destroyer. It has always bugged me even when I was a kid that the order comes across to concentrate fire on the Super Star Destroyer and then 30 seconds later it's downed by a single A-wing. We could have had some more action there.

  • Sept. 16, 2010, 7:03 a.m. CST

    RPLocke officially needs to be banned...

    by Dead_Flag_Blues

    from LIFE. <P> Holy MOSES, how can one person FAIL so much?