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‘I Feel Like Margaret Mead!!’
Sunday Brings MAD MEN 4.8!!

I am – Hercules!! Last week Liston lost to Ali, Peggy lost a boyfriend, Duck lost his temper and Don lost Anna Draper. Anna knew all Don’s secrets. Peggy doesn’t know everything about Don, but she knows more than most. “Don and Peggy love each other. There’s no doubt about it,” allows series mastermind Matthew Weiner. “He corrals her into being with him because he doesn’t want to feel those feelings. He wanted someone there and he wanted it to be her. “Are Don and Peggy in love with each other? I think it’s complicated, the way that it is in those situations. He’s watching her grow up and she’s watching him fall apart. And I think she expresses more kindness and love to him than we’ve seen from anyone other than Anna.” The episode left me wondering if Don made good on his promise to bring his kids out to meet Anna. And if he took any liberties with Anna’s niece Stephanie, played by 23-year-old California girl Caity Lotz. AMC says of tonight’s installment, titled “The Summer Man”:
Joan and Peggy deal with high-jinx in the office.
Episode titles: 4.1 Public Relations 4.2 Christmas Comes But Once A Year 4.3 The Good News 4.4 The Rejected 4.5 The Chrysanthemum and the Sword 4.6 Waldorf Stories 4.7 The Suitcase 4.8 The Summer Man 4.9 The Beautiful Girls 4.10 Hands and Knees 4.11 Chinese Wall 4.12 Blowing Smoke 4.13 Tomorrowland 10 p.m. Sunday. AMC. Find a new Rolling Stone interview with Matt Weiner here.
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  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7 a.m. CST

    MY EYES....!

    by Nasty In The Pasty


  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by mwhyntie

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Yeah they love each other...

    by OutsideChance

    ...but in a father/daughter way. The dialogue, especially the conversation about Peggy losing her dad at a young age, made it pretty clear what the dynamic was.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:55 a.m. CST

    The Suitcase

    by Thrillhouse77

    Was my favorite ep of the series, in what is shaping up to be the best season. Peggy is my favorite character on the show and her relationship with Don is one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen on television. That episode was something like a miracle of television, IMO. <p> By the way, I absolutely LOVE how intentionally trite, misleading, and succinct the episode "descriptions" are. They never reflect what the episode is actually about.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Roger Sterling Hit That

    by InActionMan

    and I don't blame him. <P> Here's Ms. Blankenship (Randee Heller) in a 1980 episode of the "White Shadow" called "The Stripper" <P> You can watch it on Hulu. Though the whole ep is pretty much of a cock tease. "The White Shadow" aired at 8pm on CBS. <P> Hulu Link: <P> <P> Here are a couple of screen grabs. They are SFW. <P> <P> <P> Good thing Randee can act because she practically has a porn star name.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    I pulled up one of your links, which also caused a window for "" to pop up. Were you aware that might happen?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Last week we finally found out who Dr. Lyle Evans was.

    by Voice O. Reason

    Snip snip.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST


    by InActionMan

    Didn't know that would happen

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Still the meat of the season to watch....

    by thewirebitches

    How they will top "The Suitcase" is beyond me but I know Weiner can pull it off.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Don't bother with the porn. Its quite dull and embarrassing.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    How do you fuck up on the porn casting of Christina Hendricks character Joan?!?!?<p>HOW???<P>And how do you turn a relative easy porn parody like Mad Men into something so lame?!<p>Sorry for this rant but it had to be said!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    You're Lucky unparanoid

    by Crow3711

    I almost shot you dead. We deal in lead here in the mad men talkbacks.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:23 p.m. CST

    A mentoring relationship

    by k88dad

    The Don/Peggy relationship is that of mentor and protege. The Suitcase was, indeed, a key episode in the series. By series end, Don will be a broken man (or dead,) and Peggy will be on her way there.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I don't know about that k88dad

    by thewirebitches

    There is still hope for Don, and certainly Peggy will not go the way of Draper.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    In real life...

    by Circumvrent

    Legendary Mad Man Draper Daniels married his Peggy counterpart, and they were together till his death. I've never seen Don and Peggy as having a sexual relationship, but looking at Weiner's comments, it looks like he's going to take a cue from real life.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST


    by Bass Ackwards

    Where do the Weiner quotes come from, he seems to comment on the episodes as they air, I'd be interested to know where he's doing so at.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Wow... Draper's secretary is Daniel Larusso's MOM!

    by ShabbyBlue

    I suddenly realized that today (Yes, I'm late to that party), but just realized the actress played the Karate Kid's mom. Wow, she sure has aged. But now that I think about it, her New Jersey accent is the same as when she was in Karate Kid. Freaky...

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 8:57 p.m. CST

    It deserves every Emmy it wins.

    by ShabbyBlue

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Poor Henry

    by ShabbyBlue

    I think he's starting to realize why Don had problems with Betty. She's seriously messed up and it wouldn't surprise me if he bails on her soon.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Henry wanted some tail...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    but forgot he'll eventually had to deal with the rest.<p>Also, seeing Joan put a WTF looks on those assholes faces was PRICELESS! Peggy following it up by firing that punk was a close second!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Joan is right about those assholes

    by ShabbyBlue

    Every single one of those smug pricks is going to get drafted into Nam real soon.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Joan was both right and wrong about what Peggy did.

    by Voice O. Reason

    While those are the attitudes the men on the staff would have about the women, had Peggy allowed Joey to brush the matter aside without a tangible consequence, the problem would only get worse. The hostility Peggy and Joan will now face in the office was probably the lesser of two evils. Its an interesting juxtaposition of attitudes of how to deal with sexual harassment that wouldn't be settled for another quarter century, though in unofficial capacities is still going on.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I Feel Like Margaret Mead?

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I was so sure you were going to change it to "The Power of Poon Tang."

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Thanks for the photos of Young Miss Blankenship. Interesting! <p> Why does Don want to go to Africa?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Your welcom Herc

    by InActionMan

    I will take more care in searching for a free pic host in the future.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:04 p.m. CST

    No song over the closing credits....

    by Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames

    ...made me feel we were we meant to linger on Betty's last look at Don holding Gene and digest what it meant. Incredible episode. They're on a run banging them out now and this is something to behold. Makes that stupid True Blood shit look like vaudeville. I'm not sure where we're headed. I'm afraid that Don is going to reveal his true self to Faye Miller and she's going to accept him and love him and he's going to go back to Betty in the end this season and lose all the progress he's made as a man. The voice over tonight was spectacular. The little moments all paid off huge. This is what great TV is and we're lucky to have it.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Peggy firing, etc

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think Joan's point is theoretically sound but in fact she did not have that situation under control. That dude needed to be fired. <p>I knew this week would never match last week, and I was kind of going into it ready for a let down but in fact it was really excellent. In a way it added to last week's episode in that what seemed to be a night of great import may in fact have been. Don seems to be more clearly giving Peggy as much discretion and power as she'll take and he also has lightened up on the drinking and grown more introspective. <p>Then too were the very different ventures with three blonde ladies, the last also suggesting something may have changed in Don, or is changing. Certainly Don's inevitable messy destruction seems less inevitable now than it has for a while.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    No song over the closing credits....

    by Hercules

    But we got Satisfaction at the start!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Don wanting to go to Africa...

    by DanielKurland

    And the majority of his "swimming monologues" really had pangs of Cooper's big speech, to his tape recorder, after being shot. Agreed though, another great episode. Glad to see Betty humanized a LITTLE; glad to see Don getting his life back on track; and glad (and SURPRISED) he's actually taking his time with this blonde that he likes (and mark my words, he'll be married to her within a year). A real lacking of Pete lately though, which I hope they rectify soon.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Released June 6, 1965

    by Hercules

    It could almost be this series' title theme.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    And of course...

    by DanielKurland

    Don NOT taking his time, and rushing into promiscuity with his first date in the cab, and refusing it with the latter.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    I really like

    by bee152

    how each episode is dealing with different relationships. Some characters have major roles in some episodes and totally absent in another. It shows patience and thought in the character development. If you want to look at a complete opposite look at Heroes. So many characters with so little screen time and the show just collapsed because we didn't spend any time with any of the characters. And certainly not enough time to care about them. BUT I know comparing the 2 is like comparing Schlitz to an 18 year Scotch. Just trying to explain why I think the show works so well with a complete opposite.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Don likes a challenge.

    by Hercules

    Blow him and he'll blow away. <p> Liked that Henry felt obliged to smoosh stuff with the Draper name on it. (Good thing the kids weren't in that garage!) <p>Also liked Henry not saying hello when Don pulled up, and Don's trip to the dumpster. <p> Not sure I liked Don narrating.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I am wondering if

    by InActionMan

    Don's swimming was lifted from a Burt Lancaster movie made in the 60's called "The Swimmer". I have never seen it but, based upon the Wikipedia summery it is also about a middle aged Ad executive. <P> <P> Maybe some of our movie buffs who have watched "The Swimmer" could give us more perspective.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    blow him and he blows away

    by maxwell's hammer

    Sounds a lot like Freddy Rumson's advice to Peggy a few weeks ago.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Don's narration

    by jocutus

    Whenever he starts narrating I am reminded of the season one finale and his "carousel" pitch. Even when Hamm does advertisement voice overs for car companies I am reminded of that scene and experience feelings of nostalgia and regret. I don't feel like buying things, though. InActionMan: I saw part of "The Swimmer" on cable years ago, part of the movie where the teenage girl was running around with him. I remember thinking "This is creepy" and turned it off. it must have been the 80s and I was in high school; I didn't know there would be a quiz later.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST

    a couple of other things...

    by Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames

    Henry pays Don rent which was set up earlier in the season and Betty made the crack in the car to Henry about his mansion with servants. Clearly he misrepresented his wealth to her and it's a sore spot. Also loved how Don just threw the boxes away he went to pick up and LOVED his walking into the birthday party he wasn't invited to. The other thing in that last scene was Betty calling Don "daddy" with Gene which was a shift since we were led to believe by Don that Gene had thought Henry was Daddy so far. Either Don was making that up and wrong or Betty, when Don walked into the party, showed some actual respect for him and is softening as that last look in the episode suggested to me. She misses Don Draper. I think she also misses Betty Draper. That life was fantasy filled. Her life with Henry Francis is too real and ordinary.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Re: Don's narration

    by lock67ca

    I may be crazy, but he reminds me so much of Rod Serling. If they ever do another Twilight Zone, Hamm would be the perfect host.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Lionel Richie

    by bee152

    You are right. Betty's new life with Henry is dull. Up until now it's been my least favorite part of this season. Even I thought it was dull.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    we dont need pics of blankeship in white shadow

    by brabon300

    she was a milf in karate kid<p>i knew that mr miyagee was gay when he didnt try to hit that

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    and she hasnt aged that badly

    by brabon300

    its wig and lots of makeup and padded dresses<p> do a google search to see what she really looks like

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 12:08 a.m. CST

    The Swimmer

    by paulloch

    I read the story and saw the movie a long time ago. It is similar both about the fine line between swimming and drowning in life (and in the water -- opening scene). And the main character is yearning for the past thooughout the story. Short Story is better since it doesn't have the long montage flashbacks, and it doesn't telegraph the end which is a "surprise" in the short story. To me the whole episode is about definition. -- Who is Don Draper? Don's life (and most men) is defined by his past (a lie built upon another lie). While Peggy, Joan, and Betty (and most women) are defined by the men around them (bosses, fellow workers, husbands, ex-lovers, ex-husbands). except for Margaret Mead who is defined by her accomplishments. They follow a very emotional episode with an analytical episode (Don doing self-analysis)

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I think Joan's reaction

    by funkylovemonkey

    toward Peggy had more to do with the fact that it was a further reminder of her own powerlessness. Peggy, who once worked for her, now has more clout and power in the office then she does, which is just emblematic of all the other things she has no control of in her life. Maybe. I love this show.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:19 a.m. CST

    paulloch....the same movie flashed into my head too

    by brabon300

    im sure the epi was an homage<p>joan's response to peggy was correct...and did she call her becky?<p>don's self analysis was brilliant<P>his choosing not to sleep with dr hotty goes right back to the madonna/whore complex<p>and january jones is gonna make a great emma frost....she has the coldhearted bitch thing down to a tee

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Episode notes from yer ol pal Greggers

    by Greggers

    1. Did not like the narration. Liked the idea that Don has an outlet for creativity outside of commerce. Liked that Don is a writer. Did not like the easy access into Don's psyche. It felt cheap and inappropriate. I prefer to glean what's going through Don's mind like I have all along -- via the drama. <p> 2. Joan, you ungrateful bitch. I think funkylovemonkey is right -- the scene certainly felt like Joan's anger actually came her resentment of Peggy and Joan's own impotence. I know the Vietnam remark left the room stunned, to me it felt lame, almost like a bizarre left field threat from a cranky old lady (i.e., "You kids keep playing ball in the street and one day you'll get hit by a car! You'll see!"). Were we supposed to feel that way? I dunno. <p> 3. There's something about physical rejuvenation (like exercise) that goes hand-in-hand spiritual rejuvenation. I'd pull out some allusions, but I'm too sleepy right now. Regardless, Don's mind/body is on the redemption trail. <p> 4. I love MAD MEN, but when they start to leave the slightest hint about relationship intrigue between Don and Betty, I smell soap opera. I would have been happy with just plain bitterness from Betty for a good long while; but if she has to maturely journey into detante, I could have done without the wistful look at the end of the episode. TOO SOON! <p> 5. I actually thought the cab ride with Faye was more erotic than the one with Bethany. Faye just seemed a lot more game in an exciting way. Put me in for Team Faye. 5. I've read THE SWIMMER. In many respects, the roots of MAD MEN's are definitely laid in the soil of John Cheever. I've seen the movie THE SWIMMER, and although it's a different animal than the short story, I think it's underated, and in fact, along with MR. BUDDWING, and SECONDS, it stands as one of my favorite of the 1960s Anomie/Alienation-Within-the-Bourgeosie genre. (Suck it, REVOLUTIONARY ROAD!)<P> But I don't think this episode was any sort of homage to THE SWIMMER. In THE SWIMMER, the main character's swimming is a surreal and ironic expression of his descent into social and personal alienation. (In this sense, the swimming is more of a decadent/prideful activity, and his dedication to it reveals a very tragic outcome to his life that is neither decadent nor prideful.)<p> Like I said before, Don't swimming is a little more face value, as he rebuilds his body/soul.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Definition, Water, Joan/Peggy, Dichotomies

    by Jayemel

    This season is about "Who is Don Draper?" Uh, that was the first line of the season, yeah, obviously. Plus, that is the theme of the whole show, learning who Don Draper is, and what he represents is the American male. The show is about us learning about us. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what "Who is Don Draper?" is an allusion to... <p> If anyone remembers, the S2 finale also features Don going swimming... <p> Does everyone finally see how unattractive Joan is? She's all about what other people think of her. "Oh no, you can't fire someone because they'll think this of you." Peggy wanted the office to be a certain way, so she acted accordingly. They were acting along one of this seasons major dichotomies: what YOU want vs what EVERYONE expects of you. <p> The other dichotomy is the reason Don and Betty will never get back together. Better says she has EVERYTHING and Don has NOTHING. The irony of her comments though, is it's the reverse. She has material things and think they will make her who he wants to be. Don is becoming who he wants to be and the material things will follow. <p> I doubt Don will marry Faye. It will be good, for awhile, but he will grow beyond her (he finally grew to her level). Deep down they fundamentally disagree on the nature of a person and that will cause them to have a rift.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    I didn't mind the narration

    by funkylovemonkey

    simply because I don't think Don was really revealing himself, but is instead circling around the contradictions of his life. It seems almost as if he's become so wrapped up in his own lies, in the fiction he's created for himself, that it's literally choking, pulling him under the water. This is paraphrasing from the narration, but it was the best I could find: "People tell you who they are, but we ignore it. Because we want them to be who we want them to be. When a man walks into a room, he brings his whole life in with him. He has a million reasons to be where he is. If you let him he will tell you how he got there. If you listen he will tell you about the time he thought he was an angel and dreamt of being perfect. Then he will smile with wisdom because he will have realized the world isn't perfect. We're flawed because we want so much more. We're ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had."

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST

    The Narration (re: funkylovemonkey's quote)

    by Jayemel

    hough Don is finally going somewhere, he still has far to go. He's just started figuring out his philosophy, so of course he's going to sound like a nihilistic high school student o college freshman who just discovered philosophy. <p> I loved the narration as it was Don thinking about things rather than using alcohol to evade.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 3:46 a.m. CST

    you walk around looking like

    by celebritydave

    youre trying to get raped haha gold! i love that guy. reckon hubby disciplines betty? i fuckin would be.. shes like a child, a sexy, fuckable child... my type

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    to those who keep up the soap opera complaints

    by brabon300

    are you all missing the repeated referrals to peyton place????<p>missing how everyone is intrigued about harry knowing what is gonna happen on that show, while they are missing the soap opera going on right in front of their faces?<p>weiner is very self aware

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Betty and Don / Narration

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I wouldn't sweat it re:Don and Betty. On the one hand, it HAS been two years so detente is not too soon in coming. But really, the look Betty gave him at the end did not indicate a desire to "get back together". If anything it was the opposite; she was perhaps accepting him in his new role vis a vis her family. Which if true would be good for everyone.<p>I don't love the narration mainly because it was different from the norm which I'm not sure is a legit reason. Keeping with the idea that last week was a breakthrough of sorts for Don, I think it may be formally appropriate to have the VO by Don. It's almost as if he's becoming less opaque to himself and thus to the audience.<p>Oh and I don't think Don meant literally and nominally that Gene thought Henry was his dad, just functionally. There's no way he could be told as he grows up that he's Henry's kid with his siblings knowing it's not the case.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Joan's Vietnam threat didn't feel right for '65

    by Powers Boothe

    Did mainstream folk make Vietnam related threats like that as early as 1965? It seemed a little too early in the decade for a remark like that.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:02 a.m. CST

    the Nam threat

    by BizarroJerry

    If you mean were people in '65 discussing Vietnam like it was a terrible mess where a lot of people were getting killed, I think that is more of the thought later on. But I think Joan is just thinking of it as a war where you might get killed when she says that. And of course, she's probably paying more attention to it than others are because of her husband.<p>By the way, I liked Don's comment about Vietnam making him think about Korea. I think some people sometimes forget how very similar those two wars were. It just didn't end up becoming the disaster that Vietnam did.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Draper's still a pimp...

    by BizarroJerry

    Goes on two dates, one woman goes down on him, the other basically offers herself to him maybe a week later? Oh, and he just turns one of 'em down. Even trying to "redeem" himself the guy can't keep 'em away.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I didn't really care for the voiceover

    by The McPoyle Clan

    part, but it was something different.<p><p>I haven't paid rapt attention to the Betty character, but to me it seems like her contrition after Henry's scolding might have been something new for her, and contributed to her behavior when Don showed up for the party.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by skimn

    Sometimes it works (Apocolypse Now), and sometimes it doesn't (original Blade Runner). Yes, three and a half years in, the addition of Don's voiceover seems obtrusive, but at least it was limited to his writings, and perhaps it was included just for this episode.<p>A widely used technique I noticed last night was the slow tracking close-up of a character as the sound fades away, and cut to an extreme close up of what that person is fixating on. It's kind of a cliche, but it worked.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:15 a.m. CST

    BTW, I turned away for a sec and missed

    by skimn

    the offending drawing. It looked like Joan was getting "buggered in the behind" as Lane night put it...correct?

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Just imagine today

    by BizarroJerry

    and how fast that guy in an office woulda got fired for pulling that.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 11:01 a.m. CST

    There will be no growth for Don

    by InActionMan

    If Don ever gets his act together the show is over. A show about a guy who has it all figured out is boring. <P> They played this same trick on "The Sopranos", you would think Tony had an epiphany or some sort of breakthrough and a couple of episodes later same old Tony. <P> There is no future with Dr. Faye. I have a feeling that is was Faye that turned Lane on to the candy machine and it is Dr. Faye's dad who actually owns the machine. <P> After numerous complaints Lane will try to have the machine removed and a couple of goons will show up to explain the situation to Mr. Pryce. I think Lane will show some real back bone though. Bye Bye candy machine and Bye Bye mobbed-up Dr. Faye. <P> Don marries the Receptionist and repeats the cycle he had with Betty. <P> This ep was called "The Summer Man". Fall and Winter inevitably follow Summer.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    The vending machine

    by The McPoyle Clan

    It's actually owned by Det. Billings, LOL.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Thought on voice over. Etc Etc

    by ndally

       Man this episode was strange. When is the last time we got an opening montage set to a very successfull song?last time that happened was when Peggy was Dancing to "the twist"(except not really a montage and it didn't open the episode). I thought the voice over worked well. It makes sense in the context of the show. Don is changing(or trying to) and with change comes reflection. Obviously he's trying to kick his drinking habit. Everytime he took a sip the look on his face was like it was poison. We haven't gotten much down time with Don by himself. When he's not working or fucking he sits watches TV and left with his own thoughts. this episode was all about going against yourself and moving out of the norm. Don tries to drink less, doesn't fuck on the when the opportunity comes along, showing up at the party uninvited. Then with Peggy and firing Joey. Don swimming against a random person(I swear that guy looked alot like Joey. I don't know if it was but it looked like him a bit) is that suppose to be an allusion towards him beating his habits or vices? seems to easy but you never know. Don also tells us he wants to climb a mountain(are we suppose to take that literaly? Or another allusion?) Man this season is great.  

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    See, I LIKE the VO in Blade Runner

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    We can just leave it at that, and probably should

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    As far as Don's growth ending the show

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think it might be good if the show DID end, like next season maybe. And if it doesn't, it NEEDS to continue to change and evolve. Don't growth could or would be part of wither direction

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    expectations vs. wants

    by BizarroJerry

    At this point, I think everyone's noted this is a major theme of the show. I believe it was explicitly mentioned by Don once, but last episode Peggy even said, "I know what's expected of me...", etc. I tend to think it was completely intentional that when Don turns Faye down, she says "that isn't what I was expecting" or whatever. Don, of course, wasn't doing what was expected of him due to his reputation.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:14 p.m. CST

    It's not Joey in the pool in the end

    by Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames

    I thought it might be him too, but I went and checked since it was bugging me and it clearly isn't him. It's just some young guy. Also thought the little tidbit where Joey thought Harry was gay was interesting.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    only one prob with last nite's epi

    by brabon300

    the phone fight between dr hottie and her fiance' was way too contrived and public<p>here is a woman who wears a wedding ring to keep men at bay and doesnt talk about her private life with anyone...but leaves the door to the phone booth open so that everyone can hear what she is saying?....i didnt like that part as a setup

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    skimn: the drawing

    by MGTHEDJ

    was Lane eating out Joan.<p>Don going to Africa is something people said before 1980, because of Ernest Hemmingway's "Snows of Kilimanjaro." Don's voice-over and introspection is also a riff on the Hemmingway piece.<p>Joan vs. Peggy on how to handle a bad work environment was showing a symptom of a generational divide. Joan had started he career in the 1950's, and she told Peggy in the elevatior she had a backup plan. If Joey had not stopped, she would talk to clients and have them be the ones to fire him, thus her repeated line about "complaints" about Joey. Joan saves face. Peggy just flat out fired him and now the other men will see her as a direct threat, and become even more belligerent. Peggy is becoming the "ball-busting bitch."<p>Joey calling Joan a madame was COLD! Joan is getting old by pre-1980's standards.-----later------m

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Joan looked old last night....

    by Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames

    The art, makeup and wardrobe people did a great job last night making Joan feel older than usual around the kids. They also knocked it out of the park with Betty. In the restaurant she appeared older. When she woke up in the bed the next morning hung over, she appeared to be a little girl. It was a combination of the performances and the styling, but in both those cases they worked very well last night.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    The show will have six seasons.

    by Jayemel

    Weiner said he wants it to have six seasons. Obviously, about halfway through, the show has to start transitioning towards the end. <p> The show will end with Don finding the proper philosophy.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Who wouldn't want to go to Africa?

    by HoboCode

    It's a staggeringly beautiful place with rich, exotic cultures and vistas. And it's supposedly a great country according to Sarah Palin.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames is right

    by brabon300

    kudos to the makeup and lighting people

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Joan's reaction

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Joan sees herself as, above all else, queen of the women in the company. She doesn't like disrespect from men but has no toleration for anything that involves a woman seeming more important or powerful than her, as was the case tonight. Too bad for her though, her kind was a product of an era that is fading episode by episode.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Anyone know HERCS true idenity?

    by ndally

    Quint= Eric Vesper, Moriarty=Drew Mcweeny, Harry Knowles= Bruce Villanch. So who the hell is Herc? It's gotta be something interesting since his Twitter account doesn't even gives his real name. What gives?

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Trying to figure out Herc identity is so 1990's!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    back then people was wondering who Herc was and he/she even had a woman saying that Herc was "all man".<p>Pretty much thing fickled out once we all came to the conclusion that Herc was/is a 13 yr old girl!

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 6 p.m. CST


    by DustinBones

    Didn't have a problem with it all. Don't think it will ever be used again, I can't think of single time when the show even acknowledged what happened the prior week, compare two weeks ago and last night as an example. The show has always been like that (obviously there are season long threads, but that is not what I am talking about). Last week at the end of the episode when Peggy asked him if he wanted the door open? or closed? I knew he was done with the extreme drinking, one of the rare times I was able to actually accurately predict a future plot detail. So then again maybe not.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Draper is a pimp...and that's the problem.

    by fiester

    It's hard to build and empathy/sympathy for the guy when he basically just shows up and has the world handed to him. I have grown more and more exhausted with him as a character and no longer find this show as compelling. It's beginning to resemble "Entourage" in terms of "let's watch self-entitled douchebags with Kanye West-sided egos bang the hot chick of the week."

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I know what Herc looks like

    by adml_shake

    this is a rare photo of him taken at comiccon WAAAAAY back in the day.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Three observations

    by Jardinier

    1. Beyond what has already been mentioned, the theme specific to this episode was – I think – encapsulated by Don in his question: "How do you get them to do what you want them to do?" Lots of manipulation in the episode: Henry wants Betty to be more mature and gives her the cold shoulder until she complies. Ms van Nuys wants Don to accelerate their dating schedule, so she gives him a taste of what he can have. Don turns that around at the end of the episode and refuses to go the next step with the psychologist, because he knows that's what will drive her to him. Both Joan and Peggy want Joey to cease his disrespectful behaviour, and have different approaches about how to do that. And while not a whole lot of time was spent on that, Dr Rape totally manages to get inside Joan's pants despite her wishes, again (I wonder whether that was what prompted her "I hope you all die in Vietnam" outburst). <br><br> 2. Mrs Blankenship is growing on me. She's quite funny in small doses. Or maybe it's just that every time she's on screen, I think "Queen of Perversion." <br><br> 3. A question for the experienced alcohol imbibers in the audience: How hard is it to do what Don does in the episode (i.e., pace himself with the alcohol), after the substance abuse we've seen of him early in the season? Seems to me it would require a huge amount of discipline and self-control.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Mrs Blankenship

    by lock67ca

    Is the funniest thing on the show right now.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 1:50 a.m. CST

    The voice-over is self therapy

    by BorisHumphrey

    A distraction from the drinking. Don is too stubborn to admit that he would be helped by therapy, so he's self-medicating in a sense. <p>Jardinier, alcoholism is not hard to turn away from on an emotional level, particularly if there is a health or emotional disruption of significance. Once you have the determination to clean yourself up, it is all just about self control and setting limits. And this is showed in the pre-date scene where Don pours himself a drink that is little more than a splash in the glass.<p>The physical repercussions of giving up drinking cold turkey are really tough, but Don hasn't given up...he's just cut down. If you're a full-blown alcoholic and want to stop drinking completely, doctors will usually tell you that you have to cut down and wean yourself off over time.<p>Thankfully they're not going the cliched Hollywood Alcoholism route of "I can never touch another drink again" only to have the character lapse back completely as soon as a drop touches his tongue. Don is an intelligent man of strong will, and people like that CAN learn to keep drinking in moderation with set limits and self control.<p>I can understand why some people HAVE to quit drinking all together, because they have no self control, but it is not the only way to come back from alcoholism.<p>And yes, I speak from personal experience.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 6:52 a.m. CST


    by Jardinier

    So Don's approach to liquor in the episode is believable? Having been a teetotaller since basically always, I had a suspicion he was getting off too easy, that the writers had turned him into superman (and after all the efforts they took over the last few seasons to dent his perfectness). Good to hear that they stayed within the bounds of realism, after all. <br><br> Anyone think that cough after his first bout of swimming was indicative of more than just physical exhaustion? Dude smokes a lot, now more than ever.

  • Sept. 14, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by mwhyntie

    I’m out there trying to cover for you! I’m telling people everything’s fine, you’re gonna be fine, everything’s cool. I’m out there running this Price- Of-Genius speech for anybody who’ll listen and I get up this morning and I find out you’re calling this girl in Wisconsin and you’re messing with documents and God knows what else Best Movie Ever, Michael Clayton

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Holy shit! Just found deleted scenes from all of the O.T

    by ndally check that out! ROTJ sand storm footage, C3P0 ripping the wampa sticker off the door and much much more. Who the hell made this video?

  • Sept. 15, 2010, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Fuck wrong talkback

    by ndally

  • Sept. 17, 2010, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Lionel_Richies_Hipster_Frames on Joan

    by Himbo

    Glad you mentioned it. I thought it was just me. Now I think I've got it: Joan is starting to look dusty. Every other character is changing their look to some extent. Peggy is obvious, but Don is changing his more casual wear. Notice Don's checkered sport jacket on date? Joan has not changed her appearance since day one: same hair, same clothes, same style. The fact that she isn't changing, is making her stick out, and look old by contrast in the long-shots. The closeup elevator scene the makeup was subtle, but there. <p>Nice catch LRHF.