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TIFF: Supergirl gets all hot for Ellen Page in SUPER!!!

Hey folks, Harry here with another review out of Toronto from the Midnight Madness screening of James Gunn's SUPER! Yes please. Want to see. Here's Supergirl...

Hey Harry, just in case you wanna use this. For a film as awesome as SUPER, you can never have enough. If you use it, identify me as Supergirl! Here it is: Hey - fuck Kick-Ass anyway. Don't get me wrong: I loved the toes offa that film. But did it have Rainn Wilson beating a man into a coma with a pipe wrench, just for cutting ahead in line at the movies? No. No it did not. In Super, Wilson plays a losery Jesus freak named Frank who suffers a complete psychotic break and thinks that God touched his brain with the power to become a superhero. Frank re-fashions himself as the Crimson Bolt, an ad hoc crimefighter wearing a red body stocking that does truly look like a losery Jesus freak made it in his living room using sewing equipment he'd never touched before. Pipe-wrench-enforced vigilante mania ensues. Writer/director James Gunn says he wrote the script for Super seven years ago and never really changed it, and it shows; it's loose and sloppy, working in fits and starts - too many of the former, and not enough of the latter. Super doesn't really catch fire until the Crimson Bolt picks up a sidekick/hanger-on/fellow sociopath named Libby, who declares herself "Boltie" and is played to the nines (and tens and elevens) by Ellen Page. Page doesn't just save the movie; she tears the roof off the theatre, steals the whole film, and runs away cackling. Playing a dumber, meaner, hella crazier version of her clever girl persona, Page is a rampaging psychosexual berserker in Sprite colours and a Riddler mask. She gets the best lines, the best fights, the best fuck, the second-best costume, and the single filthiest line reading I've seen since the early works of John Waters. The words "it's all gushie" will haunt me until death. The film needs a tighter edit to really finesse the comedy, and its pound-you-over-the-head-with-a-wrench Christian moralizing is just downright creepy. It goes for immensely dark jokes on occasion, half of which land, half of which don't. But the balls on this thing, the sheer exploitationist zeal, is infectious. It knows what it's trying to do, and it has a mountingly enjoyable time doing it grinds towards its flat-out batshit finale. And I must say, as white rabbits go, Nathan Fillion in a Jesus supersuit is going to stand high on the list for a long, long time. Hello, world? A request: action figures of Crimson Bolt, Boltie, and the Holy Avenger, please. And thank you.
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  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I speak for the trees...

    by Uncle Stan

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Oh boy....lesbian plant

    by MelGibsonsRacialTirade

    Seriously....this has carpet muncher written all over it. This is going to suck.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Sounds just SUPER

    by RPLocke

    to wait for the DVD.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Holy Avenger sounds like Garth Ennis' Elite...


    ...character from his Punisher run. Just saying.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page IS Hitgirl

    by OutsideChance

    In "kick ass 2: electric boogaloo"

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page is Jennifer Hart

    by alan_poon

    in a re-imagining of Hart to Hart.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Sounds like SUPER is the movie that...

    by RedEgiraahgnal

    ...Observe and Report desperately wanted to be.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Didn't Woody Harrelson ...

    by Yer_Maw

    ... already make this movie? Defendor, surely?<p><br>Still looks good, mind.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    A large part of me wishes...

    by HansBubi

    ...that we would have reached a point by now at which people who see movies early won't gush so much just because they saw it early and want to persuade others to see it. It's a shame that I was shocked to see this reviewer hint at the first hour of this movie being kind of dull until a particular character is introduced. Usually we don't even get that subtle indication of weakness in a film seen early, whether at a festival or elsewhere. The other review posted today for Super was either by a plant or someone gushing due to the reasons I stated in my first sentence. Early screenings and festivals have become so frequent these days that I'm surprised a website like this still posts extremely positive or extremely negative early reviews of everything. I guess the extreme reactions to early screenings will never go away.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    So Mel Gibson, to be clear

    by YoyodynePropulsionSystems

    Every movie has to appeal strictly to a heterosexual crowd?

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    ROCKER is to SCHOOL OF ROCK, as SUPER is to...

    by Tigger Tales

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Harry has chosen SUPER... Here's why...

    by James Westfall

    Because 3 out of 4 plants say it's super-awesome! ;)

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Sounds like School of Rock Superheroes

    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    This film has been done twice already!

    by apollocandy

    Special in 2006, Defendor in 2008. Neither were very good, and this one doesnt exactly look amazing. GIVE UP!

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:48 p.m. CST

    No Resident Evil reviews?

    by D.Vader

    Tons of interviews but not a single review on this site? Oh yeah, the movie blows, that's why.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I want to thank all AICN talkbackers today

    by HansBubi

    for not turning today's talkbacks into a "9/11 was an inside job" fest. Good job to us.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is "losery"?

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:16 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is "losery"?

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:30 p.m. CST

    I am sorry but is Ellen Page a dwarf?

    by KilliK

    i was very surprised about how short she was.i know she is very young but still her height is not one of her strong points as a woman.if Nolan puts her as Catoman in Batman3,then the movie will be a comedy.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I think Ellen Page is better than Portman

    by RPLocke

    She was good in Inception.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:42 p.m. CST

    9/11 was an inside job

    by Robots In Das Guys

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:45 p.m. CST

    ellen vs. the plant

    by malpaso

    Ellen page is a pretty hot POA with real talent...still this plant made me blow my wheaties on the keyboard

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 6:47 p.m. CST


    by malpaso

    Robots you need electro shock therapy

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Oh, so he's a 'Jesus Freak' ...How brave

    by Immortal_Fish

    Just once, just once, can't an independent film go there with a muslim? Just once? Think how 'brave' it would be. How 'ground breaking' it would be.<P>Why do we fear the religion of peace?

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Yes, what the fuck does "losery" mean?

    by photoboy

    Use a dictionary next time.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:11 p.m. CST




  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Wow. That was painful to read.


    Might as well have been a wall of text. It had the same effect. And what is Super? I still have no idea.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    "I got the idea 7 years ago!"

    by GhostDad

    I always hate that excuse when people just do something that's been done. Hell, how long ago was Mystery Men now? That did it way before this one, and that sucked.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page: One of the many monoton dull actresses

    by Jehovahs_Witness

    She joins the ranks of Zooey Deschanel, and the dullard in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page

    by SmokingRobot

    So little talent, so much ego.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:40 p.m. CST


    by Shalako

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    I would like to penis poke Ellen Page in the vag/mouth/ass.

    by DickBallsworth

    Does that make me a bad person?

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    for god's sake-

    by ben sheppard

    why doesn't anyone ever mention youtube's cardboard gods???!!

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Hulk Smash Puny Ellen Page

    by NippleEffect

    She is the only logical choice to play Janet van Dyne

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Ellen Page...

    by cleetdog101


  • Sept. 11, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Oh, so he's a 'Jesus Freak' ...How brave

    by Immortal_Fish

    Just once, just once, can't an independent film go there with a muslim? Just once? Think how 'brave' it would be. How 'ground breaking' it would be.<P>Why do we fear the religion of peace?

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    spoiler warnings please plant

    by Potatino

    Harry please ask your plants to put spoiler warnings in the posts! Adding that bit about the movie theatre without a spoiler warning ruined part of the movie for movie. this sucks. I think I'll avoid aicn review if there are no spoiler warning anymore. its been real

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 8:33 p.m. CST

    SuperGirl is probably an Ellen Page fan

    by RPLocke

    I noticed that a lot of people when they're fans of someone tend to really hate the movie, but like a certain actor in it.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Fact: Ellen Page will play Gary Coleman in a biopic

    by jawsfan

    No way she'd be Catwoman. She's just too short. She'd just look like a kid in a Catwoman Halloween costume. Trick or Treat, meow!

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Yoyodyne, gay movies don't sell.

    by Galactic

    Well, I guess Twilight did, but in general, they don't. Gotta appeal to heterosexual crowds if you want money, which every studio does. Should be no surprise, appealing to the vast majority is not a new thing.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Hey Supergirl how about...

    by choonie

    you go Fuck yourself and Fuck Rainn Wilson as well. That guy is so unfunny and uninteresting. Kick Ass was a Great Movie in my opinion.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Fareal - FACT: Catwoman isn't in Batman 3...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I also have doubts that The Riddler will be in it either. I have a feeling the Nolan brothers want to introduce villains from the comics that have never appeared in the previous movies, like what they go to do in Batman Begins.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Seriously Dwight from The Office and Ellen Page???

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    No way in hell is this movie good and no way in hell have Ellen Page ever been hot!<p>WTF, are you guys that desperate?!<p>This might be the first time I give permission to you guys to become peeping toms!<p>Maybe you'll see something nice for the first time and rethink this Ellen Page=POA!<p>Ugh! Damn, I just threw up alittle in my mouth!

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

    1. Wilson is brilliant as Dwight. Fucking amazing comedic actor.<BR><BR>2. Page has an attractive girl next door quality. <BR><BR>My two cents...

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 9:59 p.m. CST

    "Why do we fear the religion of peace?"

    by Kaitain

    If you gave guns to a five year old, a twelve year old and a sixteen year old, it's the five year old you'd fear the most.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST

    James Gunn should be executed for the abomination

    by newsuit

    that was Scooby Doo the movie.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    She's the New Jessica Harper.

    by cookylamoo

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Supergirle sounds like...

    by HeavyHands

    a fucking insult to AICN's collective intelligence. The plant is projecting so hard it's painful. Supergirl? Yeah, I'm sure you're a huge fan and not extremely lazy about grasping for legitimacy. "Wanna, offa, losery, hella!" Oh wow! It's like you're a real person and not attempting to dumb down the rest of your writing so gems like “exploitationist zeal” don't stick out like a sore thumb. What else is there? Oh yeah! Diss the recently POPULAR movie with the similar story and identical potential audience. Make a reference to a cult cinema legend to add geek credentials. Criticize the films GLARING flaws that make it unworthy of anyone's time or money but say they're secondary to good-bad movie elements in order to challenge geek audiences into seeing what's sure to be a sleeper hit/cult film. And worst of all: "How do I sell a mediocre film that isn't terrible but definitely lacks the draw to get people's asses in theater seats? Of course! Play up a sexual angle to the film that doesn't really exist!" Yeah, because we're all idiots and if you suggest the opportunity for fanboy sexual idolatry we'll fall in line. Duh, duh... Ellen Page hot!!! Me want fuck! Who care movie bad?!?!

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Guys who think Ellen Page is hot would screw anything with a HOL

    by TheKiller7

    They're probably a bunch of virgins who would also find chickens and a puddle of mudd worth banging. I won't even mention the lesbians like Supergirl gushing at Ellen "Kid-Face" Page

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Christains are mocked in movies

    by Nerd Rage

    Muslims are demonized by the news, politicains, and most of society. What the fuck are you complaining about?

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Nerd Rage needs a spell checker

    by TheKiller7

    I don't like wondering what the fuck are christains and politicains.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Nobody cares about misplaced letters

    by Nerd Rage

    My point still stands.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Everybody cares about misplaced letters

    by TheKiller7

    Because typos distract one away from the point the typo-writer is trying to make.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Misspelling is too distracting

    by Nerd Rage

    for anal retentive spell nazis. You're not one of those, are you?

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I care about typos

    by AlexMurphy

    Same with "omg r u goin" text shorthand bullshit. My brain automatically files the opinions of people who type like that into a special folder. <p> And for the record, as a non-virgin geek who handles his between-the-sheets business, I'd fuck Ellen Page without hesitation.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    This ain't the first page of the New York Times

    by Nerd Rage

    It's a talkback. Chill the fuck out.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    "losery Jesus freak" is redundant

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Anybody willing to believe in the ridiculous fairy story that is the New Testament is a loser. To completely suspend reason and logic, to refuse to look at the historicity of the NT is a willful act of laziness and ignorance. I'm no atheist, far from it, but to adhere to any ridiculous religion is a way of actually NOT finding the answers. It's the death of the thought process, once you convince yourself that some stupid story is true, and comes from God. You've just stopped thinking, might as well cut out your brain. As for the movie, it sounds pretty damned stupid, but I can't tell anything from this review. Sounds like it was written by some stupid kid. At least it wasn't verbose.

  • Sept. 11, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Who the hell reads the New York Times?

    by TheKiller7

    I read the fucking Talkback. Hopefully with no typos.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, midnight CST

    It doesn't matter

    by NippleEffect

    we're in a basement universe

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:03 a.m. CST

    A talkback with no typos

    by Nerd Rage

    is like a porno with no nudity. It just doesn't happen.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    There's probably a better analogy

    by Nerd Rage

    but I felt...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    So what was your point, Nerd Rage?

    by TheKiller7

    I missed that part. It must've been pretty relevant to this news story here. Right?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    "news story"

    by Nerd Rage

    dude called the supergirl review a "news story". hahahaha!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Supergirl wrote a little STORY and that was NEWS to me

    by TheKiller7

    So what was your damn point anyway. Not that I care.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Troll on Troll violence is getting us nowhere, fellow Trolls.


    We must put aside our petty differences and troll as one. Only together can we CHOP each and every loser on this board who needs to be CHOPPED!!! Imagine a nation of trolls conquering each and every talkback every single day.<p>We would be INVINCIBLE!!!!<p>But if this punctuation argument is more important to the two of you...<p>I'll seek out other Trolls, who may not be as witty and playful as you two, but at least they will understand what it means to CHOPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH needs an enema

    by TheKiller7

    Anyone that talks in the 3rd person needs one.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Why's that, Teabagger?


    You thirsty?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:42 a.m. CST

    My enema's ARE delicious, I'm told...


  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I'm thirsty to see some CHOPPAH anal probing

    by TheKiller7

    All the watery shit coming out of that funky fat ass must be better than watching Scott Pilgrim

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:47 a.m. CST

    T.Bag...So, you like anal probing porn, do ya?


    Did the little gray aliens give you anal fissures?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:52 a.m. CST

    They say that a cow drown by way of an ENEMA

    by TheKiller7

    ...Me like to see if THE_CHOPPAH is better than a regular cow. And they were green aliens, though. Not grey. Call me celestially racist.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:53 a.m. CST

    And, for the record


    The CHOPPAH has been known to refer to himself in the 4th and even 5th person. <p>Not that you have the mental capacity to notice when it happens...<p>Don't worry, my cat doesn't understand algebra, either.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:56 a.m. CST

    They were grays in Green face paint.


    Only the Grays love the human balloon knot...that miracle of muscular control that is the doorway to your internal organs...

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:05 a.m. CST

    No ass with a personality disorder like THE-CHOPPAH's...

    by TheKiller7

    ... is safe.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Little gray dudes are attracted to asses...

    by TheKiller7

    ...that can fart in the 4th and 5th person.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:09 a.m. CST

    My ass DOES have a personality disorder, T. Bag.


    It makes noise and nasty smells at totally inappropriate times.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I can fart in five octaves,


    if that makes any difference...

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Sphincter control...


    Something you'll appreciate when you get old.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Indeed - CHOPPA's ass does the: Re, Mi, Do, Do, So

    by TheKiller7

    As seen in Close Encounters of the Thurd Kind.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:16 a.m. CST

    But, seriously, why can't all the ass-kicking


    Pussy slayers stop the in-fighting and get together like the League of Extraordinary Assholes and conquer AICN once and for all?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    When I see this movie, I won't have to wonder what will happen next when someone cuts in front of Dwight.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:18 a.m. CST

    That 'h' fucked you over, T. Bag...


    But, that last post WAS funny.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST

    So it's Jesus Christ Superstar basically.

    by RPLocke

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 3:13 a.m. CST

    All the bulk of you people on this site do

    by NeverTalksBack

    Is shit on talented people, people you don't have half the talent of. It would be funny if it wasn't so annoying and fuckin sad

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Wasn't This Flick Called Defendor?

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    Oh, wait. That was a half way decent flick starring Woody Harrelson with Kat Dennings as his sidekick. Minus the exploitation.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    People still say "hella"?

    by I Hope You Die


  • Sept. 12, 2010, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Lesbians like Ellen Page? Hugely shocked...she is gay

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    glad someone finally mentioned DEFENDOR. Sounds like someone stole an idea from someone else.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    What's the big deal with Ellen Page?

    by rainbowtrout1265

    She's literally barely 5 ft tall, has the figure of a 10 yr old boy, a nondescript face, and in real life just might be the most pretentious person alive.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:22 a.m. CST

    oh shit someone insulted Zooey Dschanel

    by DioxholsterReturns

    hate to be here when BSB sees this!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 9:26 a.m. CST

    if Whedon was attached you guys would be chanting about this

    by DioxholsterReturns

    seriously, Ellen Page isnt as dull as you make her seem, she is funny.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:05 a.m. CST

    "creepy" Christian Moralizing

    by jorson28

    Your beloved President is deeply concerned about our "tolerance" and appreciation of Islam, whose more extreme followers (numbering in the tens of thousands, likely) want nothing more than to behead us all here in America. Meanwhile... more anti-Christianity from the movie folks... I guess us Christians ought to start flying planes into buildings, too - maybe then we'd get the same respect that the even stricter fundamentalist Muslims get. Heaven forbid we offend people of a faith, or form thereof, that wants to kill every non-believer in the world. That's not "moralizing" or creepy at all, but Christianity? Ooohh.... "creepy." You people ought to be glad most Christians don't actually act as "creepy" as you like to depict them acting. Otherwise, we'd be burning Hollywood to the ground, with just as much justification as those Islamic "extremists" that Rosie O'Donnell thinks we ought not call terrorists when they kill our fellow citizens in the thousands in crimes dwarfing the Kansas City bombing and most, if not all crimes committed by Christian, right-wing extremists in this country since I don't know when.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:27 a.m. CST

    sorry but i see nothing wrong with the mosque

    by DioxholsterReturns

    people are just upset that a mosque would be built before the freedom towers, but whos fault is that? how could you tell anyone not to build a something in a certain area because of their religion? really unconstitutional and immoral. i dont mind invading countries and changing their ways but what would be the point if we end up as prejudice as them?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by film11

    You are a ware that a church destroyed on 9/11 was not allowed to be rebuilt, right? Right? The mosque issue has NOTHING to do with freedom of religion (the nearly 100 mosques in NY attest to that). Saying that it does is the arguement of the ignorant (or desperate hard leftists.)

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    "Creepy" is great term...

    by I Hope You Die

    To describe people who continue to affiliate with a group that did a bunch of really evil shit in the past. "I guess we ought to start flying planes into buildings" is not really going to make you seem any less creepy either.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    To say the issue of freedom of religion has NOTHING to do with the mosque is the argument of the ignorant.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    If you think christians aren't creepy, you know nothing of the history of Christianity. They have a long history of killing people who didn't believe their particular fairy story. Christians have heaped as much horror upon this world as have Muslims. So shut the fuck up until you actually KNOW some history. Your ignorance is legion.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST

    film11 ----- so why are you against it?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    you havnt said why you think its wrong to allow the mosque? should we call that part of the city a mosque-free zone? No Muslims Allowed? you are getting there. fact is, people think all muslims are either terrorists themselves or sympathize with them to an extent. I dont know if thats true or not but I dont see how we can bridge a relationship with the muslim world if we object to them so blatantly. <p> i believe you mentioned the church that was destroyed to illustrate the argument that since muslims were responible for the church's destruction then they shouldnt be allowed to build a mosque. again this kind of thinking is very backwards because it makes you seem as though you have a vendetta or grudge against all muslims or the muslim religion. either way it makes no sense to me, its the 21st century, we should be a paragon to the world. thats what other countries do btw, other countries justify their "immoral actions" or "lack of freedoms" by focusing on demonizing their enemies.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    The church hasn't been rebuilt because of the greed of the congregation. It's all about money and red tape, and has NOTHING to do with religious freedom. What are you, some Fox News correspondent? Learn some fucking facts instead of spreading your ignorance as if it were knowledge. Goddamn fucking idiot.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Oops, I meant film11

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Sorry, Diox. I was momentarily as stupid as film11

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Akira ---- point your fingers at Film11 please

    by DioxholsterReturns

    have mercy

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Dioxholster had something intelligent to say?

    by D.Vader

    That wasn't about Stargate? Color me impressed! Today is the day the tide turned and you changed my opinion of you. Kudos sir.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    what? i always have something intelligent to say.

    by DioxholsterReturns

    just not here, AICN is like the strip-club i go to at night.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    You almost never engage in a debate other than to denigrate a topic and elevate Stargate. So how are we to ever know you do have other thoughts swirling around in that fanboy head of yours =)?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I love it when Christians try to defend their faith...

    by rbatty024

    and end up revealing how bigoted and morally bereft it really is. It saves the rest of us the trouble.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Emily Blunt or Olivia Wilde for Catwoman?

    by AsimovLives

    Great ideas!!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    rbatty -- Bahahaha! Bigoted. You are funny.

    by Lamerz

    You and your ilk are just as bigoted as the as the fools you talk about. Seriously, the hate some people have for Christians is scary sometimes.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Wow, Akira is so fucking tolerant!

    by Lamerz

    Everyone must share your opinions of Christians or they are fucking ignorant of history, right? You are right, you are fact, and everyone who disagrees is a fucking idiot? Shut the fuck up, you anti-Christian zealot. Let people believe what the fuck they want to. You want history? There have been massacres perpetrated by just about every religion and lack thereof, generally by fuckholes who've corrupted the message of said religion. And don't even try to say that atheists are perfect and have never hurt anyone. The argument that always pops up by zealots like you is funny. Christians are "creepy" (euphamism for evil?) because of past events and that therefore somehow current followers are responsible for those events and culpable. I say, "eat dick". Corrupt fucks like the assholes in the Catholic church who hide child molestors are not necessarily representative of all Christians, especially given that Protestants are not even associated with those assholes. Any person who gains power, whether in government, religion, or in business is subject to corruption, and we see it happen all over the place. Not just Christians. So get over it.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Bright_Boy

    Don't kill in the name of atheism. Theists, on the other hand...

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    BrightBoy: LOL ... so you are saying

    by Lamerz

    ... that theists kill in the name of religion. Because all theists are murderers? Do you subscribe to the view then that all Muslims are murderers and responsible for 9/11? I don't. I can separate the killers from the believers. <P>Anyone can kill in the name of religion. The mere fact that someone might kill in the name of Christianity (or whatever religion) is evidence enough that they've perverted the message for their own purposes. Um, "thou shalt not kill"? If a psychotic that claims to be Christian gains power enough to kill thousands, is all of Christianity at fault?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    Your "argument" is full of ignorance. I would never accuse only Christians of terrible crimes. I was simply countering the argument that Muslims are the only intolerant religion. I think atheists are just as misguided as Christians, by the way. And no, you're not a fucking idiot because you disagree with me, you're a fucking idiot because you believe a very ridiculous fantasy story to be true. And people like you try to pass laws based on your ignorant beliefs, and dictate how others should behave in public and private, because you think you know better, when in fact you believe in lies and deceit perpetrated by fools from long ago. So I never said just Christians can be corrupt. Maybe you should get a little smarter, read my comments a little more carefully instead of extrapolating into something I never said or even inferred. Goddamn motherfucking dumbass.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Akira & Diox, etc...

    by film11

    ...totally clueless. NO ONE has said they don't have a RIGHT to build it...they do. THAT is NOT the issue! Geez! This will be hard for you but...ask yourselves a question. Why has there been no outcry over the building of any mosque previously in NYC? Why just THIS one? Maybe a light bulb will go off for you. Perhaps a group that wants tolerance should provide some itself.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by NeverTalksBack

    It is a community center. It will have different floors for different religions to pray and do their thing, including Muslims, Christians and Jews. What is the big FUCKING deal? And what does this have to do with this movie, Oooh right, Rainn's character is A "Jesus Freak". So anyone offended by that has to get all uppity, my bad. Fuckin ridiculous people on here

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    I don't know why you're including me in your comment. I haven't even approached the subject of the Muslim community center (it's not just a Mosque.) But since you're bringing it up, it's really the right wing radicals that are against this, and simply because it's a wedge issue they can exploit before the elections. Anybody getting really worked up about this is just playing into their hands and allowing themselves to be manipulated. They are essentially idiots who let extremists do the thinking for them. I don't give a shit about the issue. It's a non-issue. There are real problems facing this country and only unsophisticated simpletons get sweaty over this.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    What will those ad wizards think of next?

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 7:58 p.m. CST

    yeah the mosque is a non issue, but people do feel strongly

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    i dont give a damn one way or the other, but to say that people who have a legit feeling that this is wrong are idiots and being manipulated by extremists is a dumb ass comment

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Funny how you dont mention the public outcry about mosques being built in other places like Tennessee. Tell me how that is unrelated to the religion.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by film11

    Because there was no "public out cry" over the Tennessee building. However, the fire that was set there IS religion-based, unlike the NYC controversy. Tennessee was a hate-crime and was certainly fueled by anger over what is being planned in NY. My comments are ONLY regarding NY and not what angry people may do in its wake.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:39 p.m. CST


    by CT1

    Listen to me, don't fall for Harry's charismatic way of eating an entire box of Lucky Charms in one sitting, or be hypnotized into love with his enticing wobbling hairy George Lucas bullfrog neck. He is BOUGHT AND PAID for, mmk? He's an evil, EVIL man, and should be avoided and not trusted at every turn. "After my mother died, you know what he told me? Robert, there's really.. nothing.. to be said." "uh.. well.. he was bad with emotion.. "I was 11, Uncle Peter." You know what that's from? It's from a little movie called "Inception", maybe you've heard of it? WELL THIS SON OF A BITCH THAT YOU'RE WORKING FOR, THE ONE YOU LOOK UP TO WITH YOUR BAMBI LOVE EYES AND SAY "YES MY WHEELCHAIR BOUND DADDY", FELL ASLEEP DURING IT, OK? "You want order, in Gotham? Batman must take off his mask, and TURN himself in.. oh, and everyday he doesn't, people will die... starting tonight. I'm a man of my word." See how he likes that.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Akira - thank you for reaffirming your intolerance

    by Lamerz

    "And no, you're not a fucking idiot because you disagree with me, you're a fucking idiot because you believe a very ridiculous fantasy story to be true. And people like you try to pass laws based on your ignorant beliefs, and dictate how others should behave in public and private, because you think you know better, when in fact you believe in lies and deceit perpetrated by fools from long ago." Nice, so because someone simply has a different belief system, they are fucking idiots. Love the tolerance there, Mr. Humanitarian. <P>"People like you ... " And once again, you project your ignorance on to all Christians. Nice generalizations. Here's a clue, not all Christians want to control your life. Not all Christians hate gays. Not all Christians want to burn the Koran and start a holy war. The ones that do get all the press. The people who do some of those things are nothing like me, asshole, despite their proclamation of a similar belief structure. In many cases, they probably have their own agenda outside the church. See my previous posts about people perverting the message to further their own agendas. For calling so many other people ignorant and intolerant in one thread, you are displaying plenty of your own, you stupid ass fuckwit.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Kobe

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Being offended by a "Mosque" is a totally legit feeling, if you're a bigot. Should we prohibit the building of a church in Oklahoma City if it's close to the Alfred P. Murrah building because Timothy McVayl, A CHRISTIAN, blew up it up? No, of course. So you see, this is nothing but bigotry all wrapped up in a "legitimate" lie. If you can't see that, you've got more bigotry in you than you're willing to admit, and that makes you a coward.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    I accept that I'm generalizing about Christians, and I'll tell you why - I never hear any Christians cry out when their more radical members do something heinous. They remain quiet, and in doing so, condone the behavior of their own whackos. The same goes for Islam, and Judaism and all other religions. So all we ever see of Christianity is the people who picket military weddings, who hold signs that read "God hates fags", who burn Qur'ans, etc., etc., etc. I haven't seen very many good examples of a Christian, and I live and work among them. So yeah, there are some good and decent ones, just like in every religion. But they're letting the extremists represent them, and pass legislation in their name, and I have no tolerance for that. It's immoral, unChristian and unAmerican. I don't want anybody who believes in magical tales written by God Himself telling me how I should conduct my life.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    the klan have the right to build anything they damn well please next to the Memphis hotel that MLK was killed in, now maybe some people would feel a legit sense of unease maybe even outrage over that, but according to you that makes them idiots - it is a coward who is afraid to admit that others have views that are just as legit as his own, i dont give a damn one way or other about the mosque wont lose any sleep if built or not, and yeah some people are just bigoted, but there are those who really do feel a legit sense of unease and they aint idiots

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    Now, see, you're comparing the KKK to Islam! Proof of the bigotry. Goddamn, you big ass turd. You went and proved it yourself. I won this fucking argument so long ago it isn't even funny. You are a gelding, motherfucker. I got your balls and I just flushed them down a toilet. A toilet in a Mosque!

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    They went down fast, by the way

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Teeny tiny itty bitty balls.

  • Sept. 12, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    They went down fast, by the way

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Teeny tiny itty bitty balls.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Why am I not surprised?

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    because he was afraid my views as as legitimate as hiw own. Irony. Not to mention that applies equally to DocPazuzu.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 8:47 a.m. CST

    akira and BullShitB

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    ha, yeah you cant refute the argument so you claim victory and stomp off - and you and bsb need to learn the diff between an analogy (metaphoric)and sameness - that means comparing circumstances that are similar - you said people who were uneasy about the mosque are idiots and bigots, i simply showed you another circumstance that proves that people can legitimately feel unease over the placement of a symbol that they feel represents an affront to something they hold in high regard - i.e maybe some Blacks and Whites would feel unease if a racist org put up a building next to MLK's place of birth or death, that racist org has a right but the people have a right to feel unease or outrage over it and they aint idiots, sure some might be bigots but some aint all, and that called an analogy you fuckdrips

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    The Klan have rights....

    by rogueleader66

    To kill's groups like them that promote hate...they should be banished from the planet, all hate mongering groups should. Hate accomplishes absolutely nothing, except making the world an even more fucked up place.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    The Mosque is different

    by rogueleader66

    It is NOT at Ground Zero, it is 4 blocks away. The muslims that carried out 9/11 are extremists...they are not representatives of all the Muslim people. In fact I think they may consider themselves Muslim, but in fact are not, they just use that as an excuse for their terrorism and murdering of innocent people.<P>Anyways, while I am not thrilled with a Mosque/Community center being that close to GZ, it is , in fact, not AT GZ. I understand the outrage, but think some of it is misplaced.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 9:53 a.m. CST

    And I am a NY resident btw

    by rogueleader66

    Who is neither for or against the whole mosque thing, I just don't want to see fighting over it. There should be a compromise that satisfies everyone.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    THe difference is

    by rogueleader66

    Klan is a hate group, Muslims are not, an extremist group who call themselves Muslim are a hate group, but they do not represent ALL Muslims.<P>People in the KKK hate, all of them. It's not like there is some dude sitting in the back of a meeting trying to be the voice of reason, screaming out "Come on guys why cant we just live together in peace and harmony" as they drop kick him into oncoming traffic.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Knobules - WTF. At least learn to spell

    by Lamerz

    ... Mecca.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    forget the klan, it was an analogy i guess some folks need things spelled out to them, in a nutshell some areas around the world have special meaning attached to them by certain groups, a special meaning that others apparently can not grasp, but they dont care because it is what matters to them - Auschwitz for example, the pope removed a catholic convent that was near Auschwitz because it was and is a sensitive areas for Jews, not because all catholics are against Jews or an such thing, the issue with the klan is the same concerning sensitivity to Blacks, the issue with the mosque is the same concerning sensitivity of the Islamic extremists who committed the act- some people are legitimately sensitive over it and it has nothing to do with bigotry but everything, to do with symbolism if you cant understand that, well who cares - im done trying

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by Akira Cowabunga

    Your analogy is defective, as Rogueleader66 just pointed out. Do you have any education at all? Your argument smells just like your dick, which smells like your mama's asshole. I don't know why I even try, because a bigot can never see, or at least admit, his own prejudice. You completely ignored my Timothy McVeigh analogy, and it is the perfect example. So you see, I'm not running away from the fight, you are. Instead you offer lame-ass excuses why your argument is still cogent, when in fact its flopping around on the floor with its dick severed. I'm leaving this discussion not because you've won. - it's pretty clear you haven't. I'm leaving this argument because I've exposed your prejudice, shattered your logic and I've grown tired of playing with an insect. I find you detestable and vastly ignorant. I leave this car wreck behind now.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    hah hah ok lil boy go take your ball and go home to mummy - it is always easiest to spot ignorant and dumb assholes - cause they run away when they can not win an argument based on facts - i dont even feel the need to piss on you because you aint worth the effort to type an insult greater than what you have already shown your fool self to be -so fuck off and have a merry day

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Of course not Knobules, THAT'S the point

    by D.Vader

    We are better than them.

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 2 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Sept. 13, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Mosque is NOT 4 blocks away...

    by film11

    ...more like 2 blocks. Debris from the WTC fell there. And how tolerant would they be if someone opened a gay bar right next door to it,and maybe a pork deli across the street?