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ALIENS Is Gonna Look Magnificent On Blu-Ray!!
Merrick here...
A month or two ago we discussed the impending release of the ALIEN films on Blu-Ray - a set that, at the very least, promises to be an amazing resource and insanely rich product for Geeks, film collectors, Blu-Ray junkies, and/or any combination thereof (details HERE).
Anyone concerned that these films might face the same "over scrubbing"/noise reduction (DNR) recently suffered by this recent release
of PREDATOR (also from Fox) may have their fears assuaged by a set of screen caps from the Blu-Ray release of ALIENS.
Click any of the images to jump to TechRadar for more (ginormously EMBIGGENABLE) pics...
These have been appearing in multiple locations online and I'm not quite sure who had 'em originally (so my apologies for the lack of a specific plug). However this posting at AVS forums conveniently...and dramatically...illustrates what the movie will look like in the format via comparisons with its previous DVD iteration. Not surprisingly, the difference here is extraordinary - check out the comparisons and register your thoughts in the Talkbacks below.
The ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-Rays hit in October and can are already up for preorder HERE
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dont know
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Not really, but you know...
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STARGATE!!!!!!!!!!!11
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a true classic
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had to be said over and over again
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Been keeping a CLOSE eye on this release. (Yes, I'm crazy enough to have ordered the special edition in the egg direct from FOX.) Considering how grainy the source footage was, due to the film stock they used, what they've done here is simply astounding. I'm more and more excited.
(For the record, though, it seems you AICN folks do read The Digital Bits, who also focused on the DNR issues with Predator. Might be a good idea to give them a bit of credit for cribbing their notes. Apologies, though, if that's not where you read your news.) -
When you look back at what Cameron was working with back then, a bunch of rubber suits and miniatures, and look what he was able to put up on screen....it's an amazing accomplishment.
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this movie holds up very well and very rewatchable
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... vengeance is yours.
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unlike that other movie
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Playing dvds through my xbox in HD looks pretty good, all blu ray does is extort money from movie fans by only putting extra features on the blu ray discs and leaving the dvds sparse.
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Sep 09, 2010 10:26:05 AM CDT
Yes lets see if they control the urge to remove it
by dioxholsterreturns
i bet they laugh at me when im not around
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... Then either your TV is too small (bigger TV helps with resolution)... it's not a full HDTV... or you're not using an HD cable. Blu quality is significantly better than any upconverted DVD. There's no opinion about it. It is what it is.
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how's Alien looking?
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I don't remmeber any difference between my dvd player and my 360. I believe I used Inglorious Basterds as the test.
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too many too pick from. They look amazing, but yea don't know if I can afford the lot..again.
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mostly
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This is the home video release that will make my life complete!
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You're just too bad
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Is the most retarded feature that only sells to ignorant Wal-Mart fuckholes. Hey guess what any time you play a lower res media file on a higher res screen, you're up-rezzing. "Conversion" is just another word for "extremely bad hardware level antialiasing" in most cases.
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It's sad--that's what it is. It's pathetic.
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Curses.
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...aintitcool is starting to be so late with their stories. This was on Darkhorizons yesterday. THis will make me buy a bluray player for sure
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Curses.
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Are they putting out the quadology version? And if so, are they cleaning up the audio on the inserted scenes. Its no Alien or Aliens, but #3's un-directors cut is an improvement over the theatrical version, and not a bad movie. (non-directors cut? anti-directors cut? Oh Fincher, just re-edit the damn thing, and do the best with what you got, and give us the closest thing to your vision as you can).
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That line by Hicks is a direct quote off of AC/DC's Back In Black. From the song Shale a Leg. I always loved that.
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I didn't say it was as good as blu ray.
But I have a full hd tv with hdmi, my point was the difference in quality isn't enough to part with such a large some of money. -
to watch this in.
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Just fuck you and die. Because you are poor. Fuck you poor movie lover.
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Hudson sir... he's Hicks.
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Just like Superman The Movie and Superman II, when I was 14 years old I also thought Aliens was better than Alien. Then I grew up and realized I was wrong. Very wrong.
Aliens has not aged well IMO. The biggest reason I say this is largely due to the fact that the dialog is sometimes stilted and/or wooden.
Alien (the original) on the other hand, is a timeless fucking masterpiece.
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And just run around the streets yelling, "Where's Vasquez?! Where's Vasquez?! Wierzbowski!!! Wierzbowski!!!!!"
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Sep 09, 2010 10:46:35 AM CDT
They are redoing the audio on Alien 3
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Also, Aliens sucks and is overrated. It's pretty poor execution of a good idea. The characters are all irritating too.
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LOL!!! Great quote, man - and very appropriate since I messed that one up!
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or just another bughunt for behind the scenes material we've already seen..?
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SHAKE A LEG. Sorry 'bout the typo.
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Carrie Henn - still cute, if you like a woman with real curves.http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/news/au400childstars_carriehennALiens-COPYRIGHT.jpg
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Sep 09, 2010 10:51:22 AM CDT
Must own..............drooooooooooooool........
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Fuck Godfather 2, Fuck Empire. Aliens = Greatest Sequel of ALL FUCKING TIME!
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The actors for Alien 3 came back and redid their audio for the scenes that were inaudible in the extended cut. Also the Documentary for part 3 will be the uncut version that Fox censored for the DVD because it had several 'Fuck Fox!' sentiments from on the set footage of Fincher.
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Sep 09, 2010 10:52:50 AM CDT
Also.... Nice Fuckin They Live GIF Harry ...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I'm drunk.... So fuckin what?
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She hasn't skipped a sandwich that's for sure.
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Who wants to buy my dvd set????!!!
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COME....HERE.
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Every meal a FEAST! Every paycheck a FORTUNE.
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Ho-Ho-Ho
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fuck the rest.
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In top 5 flicks of all-time, for me, personally. Up there with STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and THE DARK KNIGHT. (Just don't ask me to choose #5, because I can't!)
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That black dude was the best actor in the whole film IMO. He was awesome.
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ok...my blu-ray player is the PS3 which I know has a slow disc speed blah blah and is on the lower end of blu-ray players...however, it's my main movie watching device...I have a collection of about 30 blurays at this point and maybe 300 DVDs...so needless to say I watch more DVDs on it than blurays...that said...the quality of the image on blurays is BY FAR superior to that of DVDs...it's not even close...so for anyone to say that bluray isn't enough of an improvement to warrent spending the extra cash is full of shit...I just recently bought Gone With The Wind and Spartacus on bluray...umm...the format is amazing...bluray isn't going anywhere people always wants to have libraries of movies...just like Amazon Kindle and the Ipad aren't going to get rid of books...bluray is absolutely worth the money...so I'll be picking this set up the second it's released
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...= How fat women refer to themselves.
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Al Matthews. He had some great lines and lots of energy. Fun to watch.
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Stay frosty, and alert. We can't afford to let one of those bastards in here.
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I hate he didn't make it. Repeat. Say again, repeat. All after 'incinerators'. I'd love to see "Aleins: the Adventures of Sarge". He could free himself from their gooey excretions and run around for a couple of hours. Of course, it would all end in a big white flash. But it would be fun.
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Soooooo. Pretty.
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He had a couple of shining moments but overall, some really stilted dialog and delivery.
Case in point: After the Sulaco crashes he says to everyone "Hey everybody! Maybe we can build a campfire or sing songs..." Always HATED those lines. I mean, YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! -
He's not quoting AC/DC. He's quoting the marine DIs who say that to wake up their recruits.
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Hudson says it, not Hicks.
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He works his way up through to the reactor area. He ALMOST makes it to the drop ship, calling out "Wait for me you dumb motherfuckers! Wait for me!" But over the noise, they can't hear him. The drop ship takes off. Sarge sits for a minute, just dumbstruck. Then..."Mother FU-*flash*". Roll credits.
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Also a cop out for "Real Curves." We all know the real term should be "SKIP A SANDWICH FOR GOD'S SAKE"
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I always thought this line from Burke was him massively overcompensating, like "oh shit, I got us into this.... hey guys I'm not nervous at all!"
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ROFLMAO!
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Upconversion is real, so sorry. And Drsambeckett1984 probably has a smaller (less than 50") HDTV, like myself. Quite true that Bluray quality is noticeable on the big screens, but it's just not worth it for smaller screens. I still buy DVDs as they DO look better on my 37" screen with the Bluray player upconversion than they did with the old DVD player, and cost far less than BDs. I rent BDs (why not?) but will not be buying many until DVDs just go away. Truth is, I went Bluray primarily for NETFLIX instant.
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He was the bomb in ALIENS, yo!
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Actually, the PS3 is a damn good Blu-Ray player and significantly faster than many/most standalone players. No need to feel ashamed there.
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That's not the Sulaco. It's the first drop ship from the Sulaco. Get your shit straight son!
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You fucking Wal-Mart trash. Bwahah!
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One of my favorite scenes in Aliens - or any other sci-fi/action flick - is the one where they are getting multiple readings on the tracker and suddenly realize [INSERT PIANO KEY OF DOOM HERE] the aliens are in the ceiling. And then they prop one of the panels and OMG. Powerful!!
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Are you blind?
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Damn. Right again. I guess I need to re-watch the movie, it's been a while. Maybe I'm getting Altzheimer's. I'll shut up now.
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Alien 1: "Hey bob, what you doin?"
Alien 2: "Just taking this human colonist to the sticky place in the wall."
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Is when the marines land the drop-ship and first enter the colony complex.
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It's not that they really do such a great job internally increasing the resolution, the big deal is that it allows you to hook your standard dvd's into your tv via HDMI cable. That said, if you're gonna spend money on a new dvd player, blu-ray players are cheap enough now that you can get one for slightly more than an upconvert, and it'll do all of the same things AND play blu-rays. So upconvert really is a waste of money at this point.
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Scott did the same thing to Blade Runner and Alien, ruining the look of both.
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Where's the damn beacon? Oh I see it. Autodidact---I love that bit too. They pop out in the land-rover thingy, and the drop ship just lifts off behind 'em. Cool shot.
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At least it's bullshit to say "the upconverted DVD looks as good as the blu-ray" which I have heard only from morons with poor discernment.
It's "real" in the sense that players selling the feature layer on a whole fuck-ton of player DNR and edge combing filters. The bullshit part is when idiots say there's no difference between an upconverted DVD and a blu-ray. That's just denial or ignorance. -
There's no need to throw Avatar under the bus.
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(leaving aside inadvertent Freudianism there...) Check out the first photo of the Queen on that site. The resolution is good enough to see a key metal girder holding up the costume inside the Queen. Cool. {g}
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I say we grease this rat-fuck sonofabitch right now!
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vasquez aint the one pulling the grenade out..gorman accepts the situation and becomes a man then and there...
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Sep 09, 2010 11:36:31 AM CDT
With those things runnin' around? You can count me out.
by six demon bag
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but Vasquez prolly took down more aliens than any other single marine in that movie. Except Sarge, after he escaped his gooey prison. And he just had his cigar and his left boot.
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Sep 09, 2010 11:40:09 AM CDT
Do you have two buy the shitty sequels if you just want the firs
by darth voodoo
I really want Alien and Aliens on Blu-ray, but I have zero interest in buying the two inferior sequels. Will you be able to buy the first two as stand alone films or do you have to buy the entire box set to get those films?
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four more weeks and out and now im gonna bite it on this rock!
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respect!
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for a...human.
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we're fucked! we're doomed!
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for 'close encounters'. I heard that.
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flying into the reactor is gonna look incredibly bad on Blu, unless they redo it, which I would be ok with if it's an exact copy of the shot. The fx in Aliens are outstanding for a film made in 1986, but that scene and maybe one or two others always bothered me.
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Mostly.
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"Then we nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
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GOING DOWN!!
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No offense.
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Sep 09, 2010 11:45:45 AM CDT
i say we roll in there and nerve gas the whole fucking nest..
by six demon bag
atta girl!!
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You always say 'I got a bad feelin' about this drop'.
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with no supplies and no training. Great! Why don't we put her in charge!
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I guess we can just count you out of everything then.
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yeah..bishop should go!..good idea man!
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i knowHURRY!!i knowI MEAN IT!!(i know, goddammit! back off lady!!)
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I'm puttin' ALIENS in the player NOW. Seeya!
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says you gotta subscribe to see the dvd version of the images? anyway dont even need to see them to be able to tell how much nicer the image is. so why didnt they just do this to Predator? its the same studio and all.
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I'm baffled by the number of folk out there who feel Aliens is as good as or superior to Alien.
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i was expecting a picture showing all of her because you cant judge on a face alone. but anyway she looks the same as she did in the Quadrilogy documentary so yeah. she's a little chubby sure but bigger girls often make for fantastic sex so she wins either way. lol
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Me too. I will never understand it. It's like thinking Superman II is a better film than the original because it has Phantom Zone villains in it. btw I liked you in Tombstone.
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and one of the most quotable. If only James Cameran and Ridley Scott could pair up and make those prequel movies...
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Let me guess. You're chubby? In all seriousness there is something to be said for "imperfect," aka overweight girls. They seem to try harder in the sack and just in general.Instead of looking in the mirror every five minutes. A friend of mine once said to me, "Pretty girls are pretty boring." Now, I will say I have had my share of SUPER HOT girls back in the day... and ya know what? He has a point. Yes. I am being sincere. Fat chicks DO try harder.
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loves to play the snippet of Hudson screaming "GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!"
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Vasquez: "No. Have you?"
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But I am pre-ordering this box set. I cannot wait to crank Aliens up at home. The excessive smoke effects in Aliens has always played absolute hell on a large screen HD for me. Looking forward to a crisp image and house shaking audio.
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BluRay isn't gonna make it! HD DVD is the future! That and digital downloads! Nobody wants physical media anymore!
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just stare that big sucker straight in the eyes and say...THE BLU RAY is in the mail..
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Now all we need is a deck of cards.
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at least you don't see them (the aliens) fucking each other over a pecentage!
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Stop yer grinnin and drop yer linen. gotta have these. just. gotta. have. these.
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(M41A pulse rifle fires)
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I got a blu ray player for a wedding present so at the time I bought the only film that interested me at the time Avatar. Now I bought the combo pack with the DVD and Bu ray disc. Well i put in the dvd and it looked awesome. then i put in the blu ray and holy balls I could not believe the difference. It really is night and day. Watching the DVD was like watching the movie with Vaseline all over the TV. Now let me tell you I was against Blue ray I thought DVD's look fine on my HDTV. But boy call me converted. I showed it to my friend and he said the same thing.
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Okay *someone* had to quote one of the more awkward extended scenes.
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Where. They. Are.
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Goddamit. Where the fu ...
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know the rest.
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Harsh language?
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*Spittle*
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Hudson: "I feel safer already."
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nice
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Alright sweethearts, you heard the man and you know the drill. Assholes and elbows. Hudson, come here. COME HERE.
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You know its true.
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Not enough to wake up to your face, Drake.
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But hey. Let's make sure it doesn't come to that.
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Hicks: *Falls in love*
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Aliens has a bit of a cheap look to it in places. Terrific action movie, but not in the same league as Scott's film.
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Definitely not in the same league.
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They're both fruit, but totally different. It's okay to like one or the other. Doesn't make either wrong.
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Here are some flicks I can honestly say are in the top-tier league of lightning-in-a-bottle greatness:
Superman The Movie
Alien
Total Recall
Blade
Star Trek II
The Empire Strikes Back
The Dark Knight
The Hidden
(I threw that last one in there for fun)
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Mate, it's £37 on Play.com.
Personally, I'm going to wait and read a full review before I commit to buying. I half-seriously suspect Fox of meticulously cleaning a few frames to get the public wet for this release. Is every frame of of every film this quality? I'll wait and see. -
That Sulaco screen makes a great desktop background!.
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and 2001
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...when I was a teenager. I regarded Alien as the prequel to The Greatest Movie Ever.
But as an adult, I see Alien as the superior piece of work. It's almost immaculate. It looks amazing, the cast is fantastic (cf. the cast of Aliens, which has lots of journeyman actors), and the atmosphere throughout the film is peerless.
I still like Aliens, a lot. Would probably still make my top twenty. But it hasn't aged as well and doesn't quite ooze quality from every pore in the way Alien does. -
...where I wouldn't change a thing:
The Terminator
Alien
Blade Runner
The Thing
Star Trek II
Tremors
The Empire Strikes Back
Robocop
Back to the Future
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The Terminator
Alien
Blade Runner
The Thing
Star Trek II
Tremors
The Empire Strikes Back
Robocop
Back to the Future
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"Bad call"? THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEAD, BURKE! >:(
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Sep 09, 2010 2:00:40 PM CDT
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THERMONUCLEAR EXPLOSION AND
by bringingsexyback
Adios, muchachos.
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In the Trek Blue Ray set they only remastered 1 and 2 and didn't even bother with the other ones.
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It's all about downloads for me now.
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This could very well be the one movie to make me buy one. Time will tell.
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Not until I can download me some 5.1 surround, it just ain't going to happen.
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1986 was an interesting summer: You had two great "guy movies" in Top Gun and Aliens, that were really movies for gay men and women, respectively.
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You kids may not think much of them, but us men love 'em.
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BluRay to be a tremendous improvement over the original BluRay release? The jungle scenes have amazing clarity. And the nighttime scenes, the entire climax of the movie, does not look like it was shot with nylon over the lens.
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Because he would have been better than that skinhead Marine guy.
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Hell, it has been so long since I've watched RESURRECTION, that I'm even a bit excited to watch that one too. Now that the rumors of DNR scrubbing on ALIENS is put to bed, I feel safe in pre-ordering this thing. Oh and the screen caps I saw for ALIEN looked really clear and just overall damn good. Same with ALIEN 3.
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Aliens is hands-down one of the best fils of all times with some of the best looking scenes of all times . . . EXCEPT for the scenes with rear-projection (Bishop when he's redirecting the ship controls; Ripley outside the elevator as everything is blowing up around her) look like SHIT. Will bluray fix THAT, motherfuckers?
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I meant scenes. I'm a fucking idiot lol
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im not buying it...i dont think youre pumped at all..you prolly never even seen the film...
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How can they cut the power, man? They're animals!!!
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You're right. And anyway with chubby girls you can't be seen in public with them so what if she's like we should go out to eat(she's fat, she will) or to the mall?
Find skinny weird(but still hot) girls with self inflicted burns or cuts on them with daddy issues They are the ones who do the most and don't care about it. -
Five by five.
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And I'm inspired to watch it again right now!
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Can't believe no one's said that one yet.
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...and fall back by squads... I said lay down a suppressing fire with the incinerators and fall back... "WE ARE LEA-VING!!!" My favorite sequence in the entire movie, right there. Goddamnned electric. That FUBAR sequence along with the creepy sliding string sound in the background puts a chill up my spine every time I watch it.
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...because just one of those things managed to wipe out my entire crew in less than 24 hours, and if the colonists have found that ship, then there's no telling how many of them have been exposed. Do you understand?
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Hang on Newt!!!
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Bishop: "So ... you're married."
Summer: "Yeah. Crazy, huh?"
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Sep 09, 2010 3:24:21 PM CDT
Blu-ray - the best thing invented next to blow job and fast food
by frg10
looks stunning, bring it to my 52 inch LED
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because you know that within months of the Blu-Ray release there will be a 3D-HD remastering release. Cameron is the king of the video double dip. Any of you buy the featureless version Blu-ray of AVATAR? After the theatrical run of the special edition you'll be seeing the New and Improved Directors Cut Blu-Ray.
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I loved that Exo-Squad looking power loader
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Not, "please help me..."
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You forgot the worst one: the grenades exploding in the queen's egg chamber. The lighting is all out of goose.
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It don't matter when it's Archurian, baby!
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ALIEN in blu-ray would be gorgeaus beyond belief. ALIENS is fine, but ALIEN is just gorgeaus. One of the best looking movie i ever seen in my whole life. And then Scott made BLADE RUNNER which is even more gorgeaus!
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No. Have you?
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a boxed set (part of their 75th anniversary celebration...yea), like the 007 BluRays. Then wait 6 months later and you'll find them split up for 15.99 each at Best Buy.
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It's the other wsy around, ALIENS get too much credit (though most of it is merited, the geek gushing goes too far), but it's ALIEN which is the best, best looking and the classiest of the saga. And i love ALIENS.
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I don't need the cornbread.
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First films usually are, as they are the original spark, the new idea, and completely undiluted. Nothing to compare them against. But best doesn't equal favorite, and Aliens is by far my favorite of the two (I don't consider any of the later ones to even be in the running.) Aliens also has a ton of side-elements that resonate with the fans (the Marines, their weapons and vehicles, etc.) which the people making the sequels never seem to have understood... they never got how important that stuff was to the Aliens universe, and the formula of "cool" Aliens had. I think all any Aliens fan wanted in sequels was to see more with the Marines fighting Aliens, and most likely an Earth invasion. The only two places it could really go and be satisfying was to Earth, and/or to an Alien/Space Jockey homeworld (Though the latter might spoil the mystery.) Yet they never really gave us that...
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But the fact of the matter is that Aliens needs it more. Alien has always looked good, even in standard def; however, in the case of Aliens, an otherwise superb looking movie has consistently been marred by the excessively grainy film stock used. The fact that the technology now exists to correct this flaw is great news indeed.And there's no need to correct the rear projection - it is what it is, and works well enough. I wouldn't be adverse to some minor Blade Runner: The Final Cut-style tinkering, but I'm not crying out for it, either.
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hi,
here is my waggle image comparisonskript http://bit.ly/c2AZJE
you can change he pictures by changing them in the original url.
and the images are real good! and they did a colour change, it's somehow more blue, I think.
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if they get to slaughter millions billions of humans.
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In those tiny screen grabs. I sure hope it looks much better on a bigger screen.
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Maybe if Ridley's Alien prequels are good, then they could go the opposite direction and do a sequel to Resurrection where the Aliens get loose on Earth, with or without Ripley. Don't get me wrong, I love the character of Ripley and Weaver's portrayal is always great to watch, but the Alien movies might need to move past having to have Ripley all the time. I mean, they didn't not make more Dracula because Bela Lugosi was too old to don the cape.Back to Earth War: I'd be up for a Starship Troopers-esque (without the satire) Aliens sequel where the xenos have spread to and overrun various human colonies forcing the Colonial Marines go to war against them.In a sense, this would sort of be like what we got Alien and Aliens. Ridley's prequels will be more horror/suspense, while an all out alien war story set much later on down the timeline would give us that Aliens action/military sci-fi experience. The good thing is that this time the prequels wouldn't be connected in such a direct way to later sequels. So Ridley won't have to feel like his work is being sullied like he did when Aliens was made.
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Like many of you, I was shocked to see the one talkbacker claiming blu-ray just isn't worth the money. I will agree with anyone that says it's unnecessary to re-buy every movie you own (on DVD) on blu-ray. I get that, though there are certainly some essential movies that are worth the upgrade. However, that one talkbacker isn't even arguing something critical yet sensible like that. No, instead, we have one guy who clearly doesn't "get it" in a room full of people looking at him, knowing he's wrong, yet we all realize there's no convincing someone who is convinced he's right. I remember being very surprised at just how much better blu-ray looks than DVD. Also, like many of you, I didn't make the jump to blu-ray right away. I didn't think the quality could be worth it, yet there's simply no denying it once you're watching a blu-ray on a good home entertainment setup. I feel like an idiot even having to comment on this topic in 2010. To the ignorant guy who remains loyal to DVD as well as the buzz word "upconversion": get with the times. -Everyone else
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Sep 09, 2010 5:54:22 PM CDT
These screen caps don't tell us shit about how it will look
by jackslater4
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Hell Yerrr! Genius! I'd see that. Apone (after breaking free from the nest) he is pissed, he finds some guns, flame thrower, grenades & prepares for battle: "Allright, sweethearts, I heard the man and I know the drill! Assholes and elbows!", he then runs yelling to "get some" back into the nest & finds.... nothing. The place is burnt down & the queen is missing (Ripley had already been there). Apone lights his cigar & then sits on an egg "...MOTHER FUCKER". cut scene.
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across the roof!"
Couple of things that I wondered about. First, did Hicks try to finish Hudson off before he was taken (as per the novelization) and secondly, what is the deal with the rescue? They say seventeen days, but isn't that the date by which they'll send a rescue, which will then take a good few weeks to arrive? It would be a lot longer than seventeen days, i'd think.
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If you've got just one TV and its 1080p, and you like to re-watch movies a lot, then hell yes. But in other situations, it might not be worth it, since "it" is probably $3500 or more. How about if you have 3 TVs at home, and one in the SUV - are you going to want to buy 3 Blu Ray players and one for the car? Or buy both Blu-Rays and DVDs for every movie you want to collect?
And how about if your couch is more than 10 feet from the screen (like mine). How much more detail are you going to see?
Or what about the casual viewer who watches movies just once, and has enough of a life not to have time to watch them again and again. Isn't it better to just watch them on Netflix and skip collecting hard media?
Blu-Ray is a no-brainer for the collector who wants to get the prime viewing experience at home and doesn't mind the 30-second loading time. But considering that each 50-inch 1080p LED screen is about 2K, plus a few hundred for decent Blu-Ray players, plus the added cost for all the discs - a lot of people would rather spend those few thousand bucks on travel, a car, a tricked out new computer, drugs, guns, whores, charity, or whatever else is more satisfying or entertaining to you than collecting movies. -
All this talk...I HAD to. One funny little detail I caught: The Nostromo was valued at 42 MILLION ADJUSTED DOLLARS. I guess the economy has recovered BIG TIME in the future, if a deep-space mining spaceship costs 42 MILLION dollars, huh?
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is like a trillion billion in unadjusted American Pesos.
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Sep 09, 2010 7:04:09 PM CDT
ALIEN AND ALIENS FTW!!! THE REST CAN BURN!!!FACT!!!
by creationisttechnophobicmaniacs
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Did you read the article, genius?
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If not then they ain't seeing 1/6 of what their TV can produce in true high definition. Blu Ray is full HD 1920 x 1080 resolution at progressive scan. You can't compare that with DVD at a mere 720 x 480 resolution. Any idiot telling you there is barely a difference regardless of the size of your TV needs glasses!! I'm a serious movie lover and I have over 1000 DVD's but I haven't bought another DVD in over 3 years and I currently have over 160 Blu Rays, each one worth every penny for the sheer beauty on the picture quality. Even films I've grown up all my life watching like 'Close Encounters of a Third Kind' simply look like Brand-New on Blu Ray, it's incomparable. You couldn't force me to buy another DVD movie, it looks like VHS on a HD screen. But if you're happy with less clarity and less colour accuracy then by all means continue buying DVD's. I Buy and I download but when it comes to a favourite flick, it simply has to be purchased on Blu Ray for the very best in affordable sound and vision!
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The difference is substantial, and very apparent. Some movies more than others, though...animation looks unbelievably clear in Blu-Ray.
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"which the people making the sequels never seem to have understood... they never got how important that stuff was to the Aliens universe, and the formula of "cool" Aliens had. I think all any Aliens fan wanted in sequels was to see more with the Marines fighting Aliens"
I agree. Alien 3 was a woefully misconceived continuation.
I treat Alien3 and Alien Resurrection as big-budget, non-canonical fan fiction. They don't deserve to be treated as canon. -
At a certain distance from your TV it will all look the same. There are charts out there. For instance I think the average viewer can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on a 37" from 9 feet. Something like that.
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out for the best. DVD's as clean as I need, considering some of the special effects don't stand up to close scrutiny (like the background screen of the crashing rescue aircraft while Ripley and the others run for cover among the boulders).
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I seem to remember an Aliens preview issue of Fangoria that had a picture of or a description of that scene being filmed. Or was that in the Foster novelization?
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1986/ALIENS/acid. what a rush...
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...and bitches still whining about ALIEN³. Christ, that's sad.
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Well, it's been 10 years since Phantom Menace, and fans are still bitching about that so, yeah.
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That's the alien series for you. The whole time it was always about doing something different from each film to the next, which is both sort of admirable on an artistic level, yet kinda annoying in terms of continuity. The thing is, Aliens, although sort of done in a different genre than Alien, still feels like it takes place in the same fictional universe. Cameron hit the right notes in terms of adding his own ideas while still respecting what Ridley did in terms of world building in Alien.I do like Alien 3, but it was such a tonal shift, whilst paradoxically trying to somewhat recreate what Ridley did in the first film by using a more moody slow-burn horror approach. But then add to that the mostly un-likeable religious-obsessed prison inmates, the baldness, and killing Hicks and Newt and it was maybe just too much too soon.I mean, how awesome would it have been if by the end of the third film, Hicks was trying to rescue Ripley while a whole swarm of alien warriors was protecting her because the queen was inside her?They could've still given us basically the same broad plot points without diverging so far from the aesthetics of the first two films, and without pissing off the loyal fans by giving the middle finger to Aliens with the killing of major characters.I think they got carried away trying too hard to be different for different's sake.
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...people don't try to pretend it doesn't exist by calling it "fan fiction" or something pathetic like that. Or when they say shit like they just think of the third and fourth films as dreams or some bullshit about them not being canon and that Ripley and Newt lived happily ever blah blah, bitch bitch, etc.
If you don't like the movies, that's fine. You don't have to watch them. But you just look fucking sad when you actually come right out and say that you'd rather pretend they don't exist. I mean, you can't enjoy ALIENS if you acknowledge that there is a third film and it wasn't the film that you wanted? Can't you just enjoy a film on its own merits like the rest of us? I mean do the shitty JAWS sequels in any way tarnish the original film? Were those just dreams that Brody had in fucking hypersleep? Who cares. The films exist and JAWS is still a goddamn classic.
This post isn't directed at Mr. RPLocke. I've got no beef with this gentleman. I know he's done some borderline trolling in his day and though that isn't really my bag I've got nothing against the man or whoever he is.
Also, I think it's pretty fucking sad I actually wrote this longish rant and then posted it on this nerd board. I've been known as a lover and defender of ALIEN³. I am not, however, a lover and defender of THE PHANTOM MENACE, so don't lump me in with that group. Granted, I think in retrospect it turned out to be the less fucking shitty film of the prequels. I mean did you see REVENGE OF THE SITH? Holy fuck, after CLONES you wouldn't think it could actually get worse, but it did.
Anyway, JAWS is pretty good.
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But Alien 3 and 4 are separate stories not connected in any way to the second movie. They're standalones. And shitty ones at that.
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It would have been even more exciting if Alien 3 took place on Earth, and Ripley had a queen gestating inside her. If that thing hatched, it could set up a hive and the aliens would then be able to spread like wildfire. They could still have the Weyland Yutani folks trying to get their hands on the queen, but this way the stakes would be higher and Ripley's sacrifice, or if they went in a different direction, her salvation would be more potent.I think the twist of things going down on Earth in the third film would've been something more original than the prison planet. A future Earth with crowded overgrown cities would still provide plenty of dark and dank places for the aliens to hide.And speaking of a prison planet, would the fans have liked it more if it was a more high tech fully booked and heavily armed prison planet ala Fortress or something? How about a military prison planet for unruly Colonial Marines. Or hell, go the opposite direction and make it a resort world. Maybe the people in charge want to keep things hush hush like in Jaws, so as not to drive all the tourists away? How's that for something different?
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More guns and more aliens just doesn't appeal to me.
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The directors cut has absolutely awesome footage in it, but it kills a lot of the pacing.
This is one of my all time favorite movies. I might even buy a Bluray player for it! -
"Or when they say shit like they just think of the third and fourth films as dreams or some bullshit about them not being canon and that Ripley and Newt lived happily ever blah blah, bitch bitch, etc."Q: You know what would be an interesting take for an alien film?A: One that is just a pure window into one of Ripley's nightmares about the aliens.Think about it, an aliens film set in a dream space could go all sorts of bug-shit insane and really give the fans what they want. If James Cameron were to ever return to the alien series, I'd like to see him tackle a concept like that. We all know he likes to use dreams in his films anyways, so maybe he'd have fun going all out with a film that is a dream?
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fire with the incinerators and fall back by squads to the APC
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Showing Hadley's Hope before they ever get there totally spoils it when they do.
Showing dozens of aliens being taken out by sentry guns is pointless and boring.
We don't need any character development about Ripley. I've always said, if there's one thing I really don't give a shit about in the Alien movies, it's the character of Ripley. The need to include her is what ruined 3 and Resurrection. People always bitch about killing Newt and Hicks. I say kill Ripley too and give me a fucking break with Ripley already.
Honestly sometimes I wonder what's in the water the way people are always saying you need Ripley for Aliens. It's the same way people who refer to the Orange Box as a single game drive me fucking nuts. -
Not overly DNR'd, no edge enhancement, AND we get the theatrical cut if we prefer. You've done right by your oldest fans here, Jim. Cheers.
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It is. One of the best movies ever made
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If anything, Aliens is the oddity of the first three, an action movie, while the first and third are horror films. Alien 3's killing of Newt and Hicks was a kick in the balls reminding people "Hey, this isn't an actioner where the female civilian who takes over and becomes leader of a bunch of battle-hardened Marines and gets all flirty with the cute guy and forms a family by the end credits. It's about a man giving birth bloodily, and the captain dying long before the end, and the final three being a black guy and the two women." Aliens is a very well-directed action flick but it isn't scary and it isn't Peckinpah (imagine an Alien version of the Wild Bunch--all our heroes die in the end but take an alien nest wid 'em). Alien 3's failure is that it tried to be an existential horror film, but Fincher didn't have the chance to shape the script, and had to deal with sets built for Vincent Ward (whose ideas were wacky but even more away from the horror angle). So while Aliens is obviously the better film, I can't help but be intrigued by Alien 3 because it tries so hard for something unique, and though it fails, it's an honorable failure. What more could be done with Hicks and Newt, anyway that we hadn't seen--more shooting and running around? Killing them was a ballsy move, and brought us into uncharted territory. Too bad that territory turned out to be a bunch of hallways and screaming bald Brits running around while someone left the steamroom door open.
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Should have read "It's A SEQUEL TO A FILM about a man giving birth bloodily..."
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Modern Warfare 2 lifted the sentry guns from Aliens and it was awesome. Also the motion trackers from Aliens - same design - called "heartbeat monitors" in Modern Warfare 2. They pulled tons of lines of dialogue from Aliens and used it in MW1 and MW2. Nice to see the 80's legendary flicks getting some love in the modern day.
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Even though they acted more like convicts.
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... any of the geek ideas for a new ALIENS movies never come to fruition. Every idea i hae seen in here for a new sequel all sucks ass, no exceptions. they are all geekgasms, and a geekgasm is a terrible foundation for a movie.
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I can rewatch ALIENS anytime. It will take me years until i can be in the mood to rewatch Avatar fully. And i might just even hate the Na'vi even more then i do now.
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I don't know. What CAN you do?
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...Aliens is still better than Avatar.
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Definitely Aliens has those, but the aliens were not the Lovecraftian things of the first, where I got the imperession that even if the crew HAD powerful weapons they wouldn't much hurt the thing. Scott was wise to keep the thing more suggested than defined for the most part. In Aliens they're like giant grasshoppers, hopping around, sticking out their dripping tongues. They couldn't keep them a secret after the first one, of course, but they were just a LOT of them, and you didn't get the sense of terror you got from jsut one. And the queen was so over the top and awkward. I think the third almost got to something during the scene where Ripley is trying to taunt it into killing her, but they cut away just when it got interesting. Damn I'm curious what Scott is going to do in the prequels.
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That was Ash with the magazine. Keep up the 500 stuff though. Love 'em.
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...I was. My scenes were cut though. In Camerons defense my scenes weren't necessary. It was mostly just me sniffing Vasquez's locker and trying to buff out the knife marks Bishop left on the dining table.
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and not just the effects. The marines dialogue is fucking clunky.As for bluray, you are largely missing the point. It's not just about the pixels and up-scaling, everyone gets hung up on 1080p this 720p that. Just buy a large plasma/LCD you are sorted for that. The REAL benefit of bluray is the sound quality and options. Spend a bit more money on a decent sound system and Aliens in bluray will blow your fucking socks off.The sound options on bluray discs blow DVD out of the water. They include:-Linear PCM (LPCM) - up to 8 channels of uncompressed audioDolby Digital (DD) - 5.1-channel surround soundDolby Digital Plus (DD+) - extension of Dolby Digital, 7.1-channel surround soundDolby TrueHD - lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audioDTS Digital Surround - 5.1-channel surround soundDTS-HD High Resolution Audio - extension of DTS, 7.1-channel surround soundDTS-HD Master Audio - lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audioMy advise is buy a 5.1/7.1 system and watch Aliens through DTS-HD Master Audio. Now THAT is worth watching.
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It's every day in THE_CHOPPAH house.
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Enough already - JMHO
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Dead on, as good as Aliens was, Alien is the superior film. Aliens was not horror, but it wasn't supposed to be, but regardless, the first is and always will be the best. Like Jaws in outer space.
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Those who argue over which is better are missing the fact that they are two totally different types of movie. Cameron was genius to not try and outdo Scott by making another horror movie (although he retains some of those elements). The second half of the film is pure, unrelenting action movie all the way. The two movies have a different feel, and are almost in different genres.
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shows a massive hole in the puppet just above the chest right?
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Is it known if the BluRay is the original? I can live with the short scene with Ripley discovering the daughter she lost while drifting in space. It reinforces her relationship with Newt, and adds to the battle of the "super-mamas". But we should, along with the Marines, discover Newt at the same time on the base. To introduce her character earlier, dilutes any suspense and sense of discovery. The sentry guns? I guess Cameron was still in a Rambo frame of mind, and thought more firepower would help. It doesn't.
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Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good. But
I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode
by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I
guess that marked the moment where Sigourney Weaver's destiny lay in
movies that were more about action than comedy, for much of the next
decade.
I was so hopeful when Avatar came out that it heralded the
return of both Weaver and Ribisi as genuinely action people. But it was
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... but i think ALIENS far dated more then ALIEN. ALIEN's cinematography makes the movie look like it was made yesterday. ALIENS has an unmistakable 80s cinematography, it's unmistakable which decade the movie was made.
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The best thing in that version is the Sentries Scene. That scene is great and helps build tension and a sense of dread and danger. But most of the added scenes are entiehr important or aren't just all that good. I could live without any scenes regarding the human base before the marines and Ripley arrive. The whole stuff about Ripley's daughter (something that was never hinted in ALIEN) borders on the melodramatic. It's not needed, really. Ripley only has a drive to help and save Newt because she is now a sorrugate for her daughter? When Ripley risked her life to save newt, her act looked totally heroic and altruistic. Now, it makes it look far more selfish, to satisfy a personal emotional hole. Bullshit! It's melodrama bullshit in lieu of real characterization. So, all things considered, i'd rather prefer the theatrical cut. But it would be cool if the sentries scene had been in the theatrical cut since day one.
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I rather have the character known only as Ripley. One Name Cool Badass. Ellen Ripley, that does cheappen and trivialises her too much for my liking. Why thr mvoeis keep on dismystifying cool characters? It's like knowning that Indy has is name from a fucking dog! Fuck's sakes! If it aint broken, don't fix it, dammit!
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Watched that again recently. The first hour is still really good. But I had forgotten how much it descends into a big-budget A-Team episode by the end...rather dull extended shootouts with clunky editing. I guess that marked the moment where Sigourney Weaver's destiny lay in movies that were more about action than comedy, for much of the next decade.
I was so hopeful when Avatar came out that it heralded the return of both Weaver and Ribisi as genuinely action people. But it was a false dawn for both. -
KInda rhimes with "Alien" and its a reminder that shes a woman
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However is there like 150 Aliens max in Hadley's Hope?
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I was gonna watch Aliens tonight, but everyone here has covered all the dialogue for me.
And which one is better? I can't choose between those I love. Alien is an amazing film, and so is Aliens. The one you pick to watch just depends on what mood you're in. The other movies in the series are okay, I can take or leave them... just like Star Wars and Empire, I can watch those over and over, but from Jedi on George is off the rails.
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Sep 10, 2010 12:44:51 PM CDT
props to Merrick for not deleting my above comments
by dioxholsterreturns
he's the only man in AICN unlike the other losers.
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It truly is a question of preference, isn't it? The smart thing that Cameron did with ALIENS was to tap into the action vibe of the mid 80s. That he mananged to do that, while reusing elements from his rejected RAMBO II script, and still not dumb down the movie and mannaging to make it feel like a continuation of ALIEn while still being it's own movie, that's Cameron and ALIENS's biggest achievement, the way i see it. I prefer ALIEN becasue it goes into my own prefered type of movies, those which dwell and immerse in mood and tension, even with a slower pacing. Butt hat doesn't mean that i wasn't enthralled and in awe when i first saw ALIENS,A becaue i was. I saw it 5 times in the theater back in the day. I spent my whole monthly allowence to buy tickets to watch ALIENS. I was that hooked! Also, i saw ALIENS before i saw ALIEN. In fact, i never saw ALIEN in the theaters ever.
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Maybe evne less. The Aliens can only come from captured and living impregnated victims. If we discount allthose who migth had been kiledin the confrontations, then you can tell the number of aliens has to be lower then Hadley's hope population. It's still a lot for a single platoon to deal with, even if all of them are badasses.
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i ask myself, "what would ripley do?"
she'd just start dealing with it, 'cause there are no alternatives! -
Aliens and Cronenburg's The Fly, late summer/early fall of that year? Wow, thats a bygone era...double-bills.What Cameron did brilliantly was expand on Scott's original, while keeping it contained with a handful of characters. You can almost hear the Fox execs saying, "Well if ONE alien was scary and made us a ton of money, just think if we had a SHITLOAD of aliens!!" And as iconic as Horner's score was (used in trailers for years after), I can only imagine if Jerry Goldsmith scored the sequel.
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If Turner Entertainment decided to produce "Citizen Kane 2" in which they reveal that Kane was in fact a robot built by aliens, who is now resurrected and unleashes a reign of terror on the earth, you might accept it as canonical automatically, because Turner own the rights to Citizen Kane. I, however, would not. I'd rather be a whiny bitch than a supplicant moron.
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"I could live without any scenes regarding the human base before the marines and Ripley arrive."
That's the only set of scenes I'd rather not have in the movie. The effects work looks cheap, and somehow I preferred the feeling in the theatrical cut where the dropship circles the empty colony and it's terra incognita for the view. It seems more foreboding that way. -
I've wondered about that before as well...did the marines actually come close to achieving a tactical victory?
Maybe the facehuggers can sometimes lead to multiple births? -
Avatar is a little stronger.
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If so...pass.
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Cameron took the "perfect organism" and turned it into a mindless insect that is easily shot to pieces and crushed. Doesn't exactly gel with Scott's film, but you don't hear me complaining.
I hate those shitty AVP movies, but I've never wasted a second debating whether they're "canon" or not. Truth is, I don't give a fuck.
And I would watch CITIZEN KANE 2 in a heartbeat. Maurice LaMarche as the voice of RoboKane. -
In the Blu-Ray pics the foam rubber and latex costumes and set pieces look like, well, foam rubber and latex.
Some things were not meant to be seen in such crisp detail. -
Jim Cameron sad he couldn't top Ridley's horror film, so he went in a completely different direction. Best move he could have made. Different story in the same universe. Look no further than Alien3 to see how well another horror entry suffers in comparison to Alien.
BTW, I liked Alien3 and regard the sequels on the same level as some of the limited series of Dark Horse comics released under the Aliens banner. Some of those were really good. -
No, he didn't. There is absolutely no dichotomy between the abilites of the creature as depicted in the first and the second movies. None at all. The idea that there is is simply a fanboy creation. The creature in the first movie was never invincible, nor was it some sort of unfathomable intelligence. It was clearly an animal. When Ash declares it the perfect organism he is referring to its biological perfection: the creature has no apparent physical defects, limitations or weaknesses; it can survive vacuum or remain dormant for long periods of time; and clearly it can even molt and reach adult size without relaying on external nutrients. It does NOT mean, however, that the creature is literally invincible, or that it could withstand being injured by weaponry. The Nostromo crew could have easily taken care of the beast if they had possessed weaponry like the marines, or rather they could if they weren't on a spaceship wherein any injuries sustained to the alien could cause acid to fatally penetrate the hull (one of the effective dramatic conceits of the movie).
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Sep 10, 2010 3:02:18 PM CDT
Royston-- you mean the 4k cinema release wasnt detailed?
by dioxholsterreturns
you are an idiot.
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Sep 10, 2010 3:08:06 PM CDT
Nor were the warriors in Cameron's film mindless
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
They clearly had tactical, unifrom intelligence and made decisions based on that. For instance, crashing the drop ship to keep the marines stranded, cutting the power to the colony operations, and even the mass kamikaze run of walking in the sentry guns was clearly an attempt at victory by attrition, backing off when the balance of deaths versus surviving aliens was tipped over a critical point. In fact, Aliens depicts the creatures as far more consistent in their actions than the original, where due to many script changes, many of the creatures' actions are puzzling and illogical.
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And it was one of my most enjoyable cinema-going experiences ever. The audience was really quiet and into the movie as well, which really helped.
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is when Dallas was in the shafts, desperately looking to get out. When he turns his light toward the creature, and it raises its hands at him, its in such a manner as if it would say "Gotcha!" or "Howya doin'!". I guess I always found that staging to be more silly than scary, or shock inducing. But...thats. my. only. complaint.
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I'm pretty sure that there are shots in Alien (might be the director's cut) of animal storage with guts in it, implying that the alien has been eating some animals. Let me know if I'm remembering wrong.
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I've always interpreted that "Gotcha!" moment as the alien flashing Dallas the fuckin' jazz hands.
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I agree that most of the 3rd act is pretty goofy, with in my opinion even the directorial style going off track and becoming "like an A-Team episode". But once Ripley gets out on that... plank above the molten steel. Wait, why is there like a diving board conveniently atop the cauldron of molten steel? Anyhow, the Bishop android claiming to be human, and Ripley's self-sacrifice, are pretty awesome moments. I like how she just disppears into a puff of flame. That's pretty much how it would go down if you fell into a big pool of moulten steel... There'd hardly be a splash aside from all the steam in your body boiling instantly and sending charred, steel-soaked meat gibs bouncing around the room.
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i remember the halloween double-bill. but wasn't allowed to go...
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I saw that too. There were like five people in the theater the night I saw it. Alien is a classic.
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the food storage is after the alien begins attacking the crew and snatching people. it actually has stored both brett and dallas. lambert and parker it seems to have torn apart where it attacked them. ripley, ash and the cat it never gets. thus, it grows from infancy to adulthood(?) without a meal. unless there are rats onboard...
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we all know this.
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One thing that has been failed to mention among the upconversion debate in this talkback is audio. The upconversion process does nothing for the DVD audio. You still get the compressed audio that is inherent to the DVD format. With Bluray (most anyways) you get uncompressed audio which is a lot cleaner and crisper, and is near identical to the audio the engineers would hear in the studio. Many times people just focus on the visuals, but try watching a movie on mute…the audio is a key component to the movie experience, especially if you have a banging home theater system.
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Check my post atSep 10th, 201007:42:34 AM
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