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CLASH OF THE TITANS 2 moving forward with BATTLE: LOS ANGELES director!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. THR's Heatvision Blog is reporting that Jonathan Liebesman is taking over for Louis Leterrier on the CLASH OF THE TITANS sequel.
Liebesman has shown glimpses of promise throughout his career. The opening of DARKNESS FALLS is fantastic (then the rest of the movie happens) and from what I've seen of BATTLE: LOS ANGELES he could have his first fully successful flick.
And it seems that Warner Bros and Legendary Pictures seem to think so as well since the Heatvision article mentions it was after impressing the head honchos with footage from Battle: LA that Liebesman got the gig.
Sam Worthington and Gemma Arterton are expected to return and the flick will shoot in native 3-D, so that means we won't get the Gods' hair floating two feet in front of their heads like in the shitty post-conversion 3-D Clash of the Titans.
Greg Berlanti (Green Lantern), Dan Mazeau (The Flash, Jonny Quest) and David Leslie Johnson (The Girl with the Red Riding Hood) collaborated on the treatment and Mazeau and Johnson are scripting.
Hopefully this time the Gods will be the focus and not cameos... and perhaps Danny Huston might get more than one line of dialogue!
In other words, there's nowhere for them to go but up with this series.
-Quint
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Didn't they all die at the end?
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Gotta admit my mythology knowledge isn't up to speed. Would the sequel be based on mythology, or a Hollywood story? What else did Perseus do?
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Aug 30, 2010 10:12:35 PM CDT
The common sequel move for these type of fantasy genre films
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
is to have the main character travel to modern day los angeles chasing after some sort of warlock, meeting some beautiful blonde news reporter and laying his seed in her.
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That is all.
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loads of underused character actors and a linear quest flick scenario which is basically LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS.
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Didn't they fuck this movie up enough the first time?
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Maybe he won't come off as whiny and stiff as he was in the first film. And give this man some hair! He's supposed to be Greek, ya know! :)
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They should do the original sequel to the original movie that Ray Harryhausen & co. planned back in the early 80s but which was sadly never made.
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Harry just didn't like it. Tough.
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and regarding the haters who accuse Sam of being a soulless actor with no charisma and scene presence: YOU ARE FUCKING IDIOTS.
the guy is great,really great,he deserves at least to be an action star and why not,maybe even a great performance actor in the future since i hear praises for his work in Australia.
i had watched him only in TS and Avatar.i liked him both in those 2 movies,but the fucking haters kept saying that he is emotionless,no charisma,even my friend laughed when i told him that he was to lead in an action.well they are fucking wrong.Sam is the new action star and deservingly.the guy rocks and i hope all the best for the rest of his career. -
...this movie put me to sleep. Twice. A sequel could only be better. Maybe it will be like Ocean's Thirteen--an apology for the film that came before.
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But seriously, Sam Worthington has absolutely no screen presence.
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Jonathan Liebesman is more proof that you fail upwards in Hollywood.
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Aug 30, 2010 11:03:48 PM CDT
The Kraken: "Goddammit, am I gonna have to be unleashed again??
by pennsydeux
Dammit.
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imagine the Expendables or Dirty Dozen or A-Team with Greek mythic characters.Since COTT is freely based on the Greek Mythology,i dont think there will be problems to adapt this myth for the sequel.
Have Proteus/Sam as the co-leader of the Αrgonaut's expedition.Hercules and Theseus,those 2 bad-asses are already in the original myth,but you can add one more bad-ass Achilles who wasnt.Hell you can even have some similar Chinese mythic bad-ass character in the team as-well,since we had Djinns and Kraken in teh first movie.Have a naive young Alexander the Great in the team who gains experience from this adventure and later becomes the legendary general.Have Amazonian women in the team too,or at least have an encounter of the Argonauts with Amazonias during their travel.Just try not to make into a campy Xena movie.
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since it sounded like it was studio interference that really ruined the movie in the first place. Oh well.
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Aug 30, 2010 11:18:17 PM CDT
Sam Worthington to star in Commando remake
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
You heard that right, suckers. How in the hell did AICN miss that? Oh, wait, because it's a fucking cesspool?Sam Worthington IS John Matrix!!!
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I guess the remake had flashes of coolness. Overall it was pretty meh. I can't imagine they'll improve much with a sequel.
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He probably walked away from this
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It just is Hollywood
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That's how much the first one made...you can thank all the retards who paid to see it for funding this sequel and making it happen.
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Along with everything else!
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A sequel? I suppose if they filmed a fat guy shitting in a bucket the fucking idiots would come out of the woodwork and spend enough money on tickets to warrant a sequel featuring the same fat guy shitting into TWO buckets while his tits were hooked up to cow milking machines. Fucking perverts.
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The most annoying thing about Worthington for me (apart from being the ONLY 'Greek' in the film with a buzz cut) is his Australian accent that he just can't hide. He's had it in the future, on Pandora and in Ancient Greece!! Crikey!!
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Seriously.
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Aug 31, 2010 12:55:10 AM CDT
--STARRING SAM (Imagine a plank of wood) WORTHINGTON....
by jonchambers
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Errrp!
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and sent it to 660m$.generalizations.i love them.
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THAT is the film I want to see:
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Jesus, your idea for a sequel is hideous...hence you should write it up asap and make sure you get the rights to it, this is exactly the kind of half-assed crap the studio might actually go for.
Having said that, I agree with you on the Sam Worthington hate bit. Lot of sad fuckers out there, like to see people fail. Anyone who thinks Worthington was the reason COTT was such an incoherent and illogical mess, read the article that was linked on AICN a while back about how the studio completely switched around the plot, giving us motiveless characters we didn't give a shit about. Nothing to do with the actors. -
Aug 31, 2010 3:13:52 AM CDT
As bad as the 3D was... the movie lived or died on its story.
by v'shael
And the story was fucking terrible. Absolutely fucking awful.The sequel to a fucking awful piece of shit, is rarely anything other than a bigger stinking pile.You have been warned.
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Aug 31, 2010 4:03:37 AM CDT
"From the 'director' of one of those Texas Chainsaw remakes!"
by jackpumpkinhead
Will that make it onto the poster?
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Aug 31, 2010 4:05:46 AM CDT
By the way, after fast-forwarding through the Remaklash...
by jackpumpkinhead
...I had to watch Davis's original. Try that, it helps.
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The sequel to a fucking awful piece of shit remake of an awful piece of shit movie.because the original is exactly that.and i love it when the nostalgia fanboys consider the outdated sfx of the original as superior to the remake because they are practical.right.
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Golden Voyage, 7th Voyage and Eye of the tiger remakes. Cast Gael García Bernal as Sinbad and get Harryhausen to oversee creature designs. Theres a trilogy I'd pay to see right there.
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It's not my fave though as it is drearier than the remake. The direction wasn't the problem, it was the script that was the issue. He did the best with what he was given, made it look just like the remake visually, and had some very effective moments like when Leatherface surprises the audience and hooks Diora Baird out of the car while she attempts to drive away. But again, the script sucked. The movie only existed to tie into the original. And in doing that, you come to the realization no one would live (because the remake would have never happened) so you lose interest halfway through the movie. But I don't hate him. Clash was awful. So if he films it in Real 3D he'll be a hero either way.
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How on earth did this turd make so much f**kin' money? Are people so easily entertained? Worst film of the year.
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otherwise she wouldnt be in the sequel, she said so in an interview, this was one of the worst remakes yet. it actually sullied the memory of the original.
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Would be better than this, as would Monkey Knife Fight 2: Prime Apes
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Why do a sequel? hmmm. Guess it made money.
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Doesn't Mean You SHOULD!!
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that a God of War movie/trilogy isn't going to be commercially viable for a good 20 years. Well done Hollywood :-/
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Yeah, it has some entertaining action scenes, but unfortunately the unadulterated STUPIDITY found in the rest of the movie really kept me from enjoying it. I'll explain in order of occurrence (and here be minor spoilers too).
1. Perseus family hates the Gods. This was the first contradiction I really did not appreciate. In one early scene, we've got Perseus' dad bitching about the Gods, complaining about them. Then, in the VERY next scene (the way I remember it), he's getting his family ready to pay tribute to the statue of Zeus, and he's *excited*! Like he's happy to be doing it! Huh?
2.Hades kills Perseus' family. For no fucking reason. Okay, I understand that Hades kills the soldiers who are tearing down the statue of Zeus- those guys are disrespecting the Gods right? And I sort of understand that you *have* to make Hades evil, especially when you've decided to make him the villain, but why on Earth would Hades just decide to kill everyone on this small fishing boat that's passing by? Especially when they came to honor the Gods? Its an extremely lazy way of saying "LOOK! Hades is EVVVVIIIILLLL!", and its a lazy way of giving Perseus motivation.
What would have worked FAR better in my opinion was if Perseus' family were collateral damage in the fight between Hades and the soldiers. That would exemplify even more the theme of how the Gods really do not care about the lives of mortals. But no, instead we get this silly scene where Hades looks at the fishing boat after having killed the soldiers, and decides to sink it without cause.
3. Perseus refuses help from the Gods. Okay, I understand this is part of his character. He hates the Gods bc of his father's upbringing and bc of Hades killing them. And the soldiers he meets in Argos (was it Argos?) are on the same page. Fuck the Gods! Mads Mikkelsen even says as much in one scene. But then once again, in the very next scene, he's demanding Perseus pray for help for his men. Huh-wha? I just DO NOT understand how you can write characters who are adamant about doing things on their own, who say "Fuck the Gods, we don't need them!", who come from a city where the King did just as much, but then have them in the very next scene contradict themselves and start praying for help? It makes no fucking sense.
At least Perseus WAS true to character in this moment when he is given the magic sword and Pegasus just sorta shows up. Perseus refuses the sword. Woohoo for consistency!
4. The Scorpion Attack- Okay, this scene was cool, but the aftermath just felt Deus Ex Machina. Oh look, there's some strange race of Bark-Wizards living in the desert that we've never heard about before, showing up just in time to control these giant scorpions so we can ride them. Thank God they magically appeared out of nowhere! We can explain their existence later. But what's worse? The two hunters, the "comic relief". take some Scorpion hide and turn it into a shield for Perseus (even though the guy has been a total dick the entire movie). And guess what! HE NEVER USES IT!
5. Zeus refuses to save Perseus but gives him gifts? So when Zeus orders Argos destroyed, the other Gods say to him "Hey your son Perseus is down there, should we save him?" Zeus basically says "Fuck no! I've never heard him pray to me, he can die with the rest!" But then later he shows up to give Perseus gold coins to pay the Ferryman on his way to the Underworld? That makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
6. Medusa lives in the Underworld? Speaking of the Underworld, why the hell did the filmmakers decided to have Medusa live there? I can think of only two reasons. A) They wanted the Medusa fight to take place over lava. Easy solution- have her live on a volcanic island. Bing bang boom. Oh wait, here's the 2nd reason. B) They wanted a reason to travel to the Underworld so they can showcase a cool design for Charon the Ferryman.
Fucking stupid. First off, if Medusa lived in the Underworld, NO ONE would EVER fucking go to see her. She's not guarding any treasure, and trying to reach her is just TOO damn hard, finding magical gold coins that only the Gods hand out to pay the Ferryman. Why would ANYONE go there? Why would there be statues of fallen warriors all over her Island? Answer- there wouldn't be. She's in a scary, remote part of the world and traveling there has no reward. I just don't see any warriors going through that kind of trouble just to see her. I *really* hated this idea.
7. The soldiers never see dead relatives in the Underworld. Are you fucking kidding me? Okay, if you're going to have this sequence take place in the Land of the Dead, if you're going to have Mads Mikkelsen talk about the daughter he lost long ago, if you're going to have Perseus still fuming over his dead family, the LEAST you can do- bc it seems this is what you are setting up- is have them SEE their dead relatives! Otherwise, why the fuck do you send them to the Underworld?!? Oh yeah, right. To showcase Charon and have Medusa fall into lava. I forgot.
Seriously, what a wasted opportunity. What could have been an emotional, poignant moment for all involved is instead never even attempted. Its such an obvious conclusion for having tortured characters go into such a setting. Stupid to not have them even try and LOOK for their relatives while they are there.
8. The Bark Wizard has the ability to explode. Yeah, I thought that was kind of cool but out of nowhere. What's worse is it didn't do JACK SHIT. You think with the setup line "Medusa will turn the skin of anyone who looks at her into stone. But only if they have flesh," that it would mean the Bark Wizard is somehow immune and that will play into the heroes' hands. Well, they were right! Bark Wizard looks her in the eyes and doesn't turn to stone! An advantage! But, I guess we can't have Bark Wizard still helping Perseus at the end, so let's have him die somehow.... I know! He'll self-explode! Sure, he's not close to death like the Predator, but it'll be badass right! He'll just blow himself up! And of course, the ensuing explosion doesn't *really* help Perseus. They could have found a MUCH better way to make this work out logically. Instead it looks like the Bark Wizard didn't give a shit and just gave up early.
And by the way, that Scorpion shield with its tough hide? Perseus never uses it, right? He actually loses it early on, right? I swear the mirror shield he uses to kill Medusa was a shield he picks up from another fallen soldier.
9. Zeus helps Perseus to stop his plan to destroy the city? Okay this is out of order, but Zeus appears before Perseus to give him the gold coins needed to pay Charon. Uhhhhh... why? Why would Zeus, who said "Screw Perseus" earlier in the movie, suddenly appear to *help* Perseus in his mission to defy Zeus's command to destroy Argos? Huh? I know this scene is a reshoot, that originally it was another God who gave him the coins, but this reshoot is fucking retarded. It makes Zeus out to be either a grade A asshole, or a forgetful idiot. Because helping your son defy your command is what every good dad does, right?
10. Perseus accepts Pegasus, but without humility. So after Perseus decides to use the sword of the Gods in his quest to destroy Hades, Pegasus shows up like another Deus Ex Machina (which works in a film about the Gods I suppose) to carry him to Argos. And now Perseus is totally fine with it? We never see the change happen. We are never given a reason, other than convenience, for why Perseus would suddenly decide to accept help from the Gods. And I find that to be very stupid. You have GOT to do better than that. You can't have your main character pull a 180 late in the game just for convenience sake.
10. Zeus and Hades have a private conversation. This is obviously the product of reshoots and re-edits, but I still can't get over the stupidity of such a scene. Hades comes before Zeus at the end to ask if he will stand by his word and destroy Argos. Zeus tells the rest of the Pantheon to "Leave us," as if Zeus and older brother Hades need privacy to discuss the matter.
As soon as all the Gods leave the room, Zeus turns and in a loud, booming voice shouts "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!"
Really? You needed to kick the rest of the Gods out to the hallway just so you could shout that out? You think they couldn't hear you once you decided to yell? Okay, whatever... idiot.
11.Eo, a woman cursed with eternal life, finally dies, and yet by the end is brought back to life? What a SHITTY DEAL! Seriously, this chick, who was originally supposed to be a spiritual sister guide to Perseus while Andromeda remained the love interest, was remodeled in reshoots and rewrites to be Perseus' romantic interest instead. She's a cursed woman, doomed to roam the Earth by the Gods (oh those nasty, shitty Gods!). She finally gets killed by the end. Oh, sweet release!
But wait! What's this! ANOTHER gift from the Gods (his dad I guess) for helping out? Eo is BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE?!? She must be fucking pissed, right? Doomed to come BACK to this shitty Earth just so she can be Perseus plaything? Holy shit what terrible writing.
So yeah, the battle scenes were cool, but all the stupidity mentioned above had me scratching my head or slapping my forehead in disbelief. Its just a monumentally dumb movie, one I could not get past. And this comes from someone who enjoyed Transformers 2 the only time he's seen it, for God's sake! And Perseus is such an ASS the entire movie. Why would anyone want to follow such a jerkoff into battle? He NEVER does ANYTHING heroic the entire movie. Its all for selfish reasons. He doesn't want to save Andromeda because its the right thing to do. He just wants to kill the Kraken. Congratulations, that's a bangup job you've done of writing a great, heroic character worthy of Greek mythology.
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"Immortals" will kick the shit out of this movie.
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I can't bare to see Ralph Fiennes phoning in another watered down version of Voldemort. And spends soem money on the CGI. First movie looked like shit.
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I can stand to have her back I guess.
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You could say that Perseus acting like an egotistical asshole is the only part of the movie that actually resembles the ancient greek myths. If you read the greek myths as they are and not the disnified versions, you will notice that not a single one of the heroes would be considered a nice sympathetic altrustic guy by modern standards. The rest of the movie is all ass, of course, for the reasons you very well pointed out and more. I just wish that for once soembody, a group of filmmakers had some balls and really made a movie that was very faithful to the greek myths and showed the characters for how they really were. I don't think a movie needs sympathetic characters, but really interesting characters to work. Manty movies fail because they make so much effort in making the characters look sympathetic (and failing) then making an effort to make them interesting. I could watch a whole movie filled with villains if they are interesting characters.
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I think the same thing too. At the very least IMMORTALS will be visually interesting and inventive, which is more then can be said about CLASH OF THE LAMES (the Charon barque was cool, though). And of course, IMMORTALS stars Freida Pinto, which is always good value, if you get my meaning.
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Gemma Anterton was the only thing in CLASH OF THE LAMES that gave me some interest in watching the movie. The movie should had been 90 minutes of her parading about and speaking in her sexy posh british accent. Who needs CGI? And the fucking movie is a terrible waste of Mads Mikkelsen. If you want to see Mads Mikkelsen really kicking ass for real and awesomely, watch VALHALLA RISING instead.
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I agree that COTT is not a very good movie, and many of your points are valid, but I think you failed to grasp some of the internal turmoil of Zeus throughout the film. The whole premise of the film is that the Gods are flawed. So they depicted Zeus as much. At first he was pissed that the humans defied him so he enlisted Hades to scare the bejesus out of them so they would worship him once again and continue to not only stroke his ego but retain his power. But then he finds out Perseus is his son so naturally this leads to some conflicting emotions from him, so he decides to help Perseus in an indirect way thorugh the sword as a way of dealing with it. Then he finds out his brother Hades is actually trying to kill his son and working against him in order to oust him as king of the Gods so he decides to help Perseus defeat him in order to retain his throne so to speak. Just my two cents.
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Where you been dude? Have not seen you around here for quite sometime, thought maybe you either got banned or just flat out left. Good to see you back!
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He was definitely the highlight of the movie. He pretty much embarassed everyone else on screen. When he died telling Perseus "Let the Gods know men did this." I got my only true stir of emotion from the entire film.
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..for me anyway. Completely soulless, video game of a film.
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Please people stop with the "it's so bad it ruins the original" shit. That's total BS, the original is unchanged, it is still the same movie it was, the remake did not alter the original in any way. God it's as bad as the "raped my childhood" bullshit. The original and the remake are two totally SEPARATE films.
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..for me anyway. Everyone else is still free to enjoy the original as they please. Film is a subjective experience.
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I just don't understand that at all. The original is still the original, it remains unchanged. I fail to understand how a shitty remake can taint the source. It's not like the original has been altered because of the remake. Please, explain this to me because I do not get it and want to understand.
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Aug 31, 2010 9:07:17 AM CDT
Can Medusa have a better, scarier little sister in this one?
by dead youngling
Her CGI blew willy.
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source material. I was one of those people who like you, always found the "raped my childhood" thing to be whiny and ridiculous, but that's because it was always about something I was only lukewarm about-- like Star Wars or T-formers. The original film is my absolute favorite--partially because of the novelty of it. Aside from Jason and the Argonauts, it was the only American film of it's kind (that I'm aware of)everything else we have that touches on the classical is some type of Italian 60's toga party. I never claimed my sentiment to be a rational one though, so I will of course fail to spell it out logically. Any ways, good talkin' to ya.
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And the need for every modern film to be dark and vengeful annoys me. It's fine when the genre or source material of the film call for it, but turning Perseus into some perpetually angry, yelling idiot is inexcusable. Classical heroes were all about honor and glory--sometimes vanity even-- but this was just waaay off the mark.
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Back at ya dude, have a good one.
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Really, all I saw was Voldemort.
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Then Zeus would not have told Hades to release the Kraken, and he would not have been surprised when Hades betrayed him. There was no internal turmoil in Zeus. His schizophrenia is the result of ill-thought out reshoots.
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I know it had dumb parts. And there were scenes (especially the ferryman) where you felt like you were watching a movie set and animatronics (never a good thing). But there was still enough there that was fun. Plot holes? Sure. Missed opportunities? Tons. Lame looking guy with glowing blue eyes made of tree bark? Ugh. But still...it is what it is. A fun movie.
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Yeah, I don't think so. People want action, bloody, sweaty, balls-out action. For the most part, Clash of the Titans delivered the goods in that department and that's why it was successful. I'm sure a sequel will do the same and not spend more time with Gods walking around gardens chatting about chess playing with mortals.
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Clash of the Titans 2: Even ClashierMosh of the MonstersCareening of the CreaturesSmash of the Smitten: A Love Story
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Other than that though I found Neeson's character fairly adequate.
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Just his waffling. "Kill my son!" "Here's a gift!" "Release the Kraken!"
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I can barely contain my excitement... More murky 3D. More of Sam Worthington and his "Riveting Charisma and Presence", and more Glittery, Vaguely Embarassed Liam Neeson as Zeus...
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Best costumes ever for the gods. Better armor on the gods than Excalibur. Academy award goes to clash of the titans.
Ok so the original is totally made up bullshit that has nothing remotely to do with any known mythology. Ok. Everyone clear? So it's ok to just have fun with shit in this series. So a few more good things are olympus, the absolute rocking as fucking all get out landing that hades makes in the palace. It's like better than any flying landing since the original superman. It's fucking ARIOCH. That's how a fuckin god does it. And Zeus seduction rape scene is pretty surreal. Kraken is best giant monster i've seen digital in the water- better than squids in rings and deep rising-better than anything floating in menace.Ok so the bad would fill a book- the scene of our hero popping out of a scorpion belly all comical and everyone acting like he's jar jar comic relief kinda sums up alot of it. Our hero is lacking. His support is severely lacking. Anyway I like to just focus on what this could be. But here's what I would do. I would come out with a preview that said -Hey! Did you go to see Clash of the Titans? Well then you probably want a sequel right?! Well here is your sequel but instead we took the money you gave us and made Sailor on the Seas of Fate starring your new hero that you're gonna love -Elric of Melnibone. Enjoy kids! Rated Hard-R for intense brutal violence and depictions of pornographic melnibonean sex -
Aug 31, 2010 11:21:42 AM CDT
The Olympians have to fight...
by harryknowlesnonexistentinceptionreview
...the Titans, who have escaped from their exile and now threaten to destroy the gods themselves, helped in their plot by the traitorous Hades. Zeus has to enlist Perseus as a last resort. That's the only plot that would be any good, but Fox will fuck that one up, too.
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'Cause there weren't any in the original or the Worthing-make. That would be like "The Clone Wars" without any actual clones, y'know, warring.
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Exactly. Even if the film is not as great as I'm hoping it is, I can at least count on it looking very good. I also think he got himself an interesting cast. The video diaries on IAmRogue.com instill hope in me that "Immortals" will he good. Because Tarsem is very passionate about what he is doing it seeme. I like how he describes how he wants the Gods to be able to jump from high places during a fight, but not be able to jump back up real high and look like "Flying Squirels". Plus after "The Fall" he made me a fan. So I have high hopes.
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Two hours of Eo continually stabbing Perseus through the heart, waiting for him to recover, then stabbing him again. "THANKS for letting me REST, bastards!" *stab* "Thank you EVER SO MUCH for letting me BE AT PEACE!" *stab*
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I think we've talked about this before, but I want to say again that you nail a lot of the issues with the movie. As a person who read the script several times for work, it amazed me to see what came out the other end.
First couple points: yes, family was collateral damage in script and example of carelessness. It wasn't about him trying to get revenge on Hades, it was about doing what was right. There's a line to that effect that was repeated several times in the script, enough that I remembered it was looking for it in the film.
All of the Zeus whipsawing around wasn't there. And I read the moment you talked about with Mikkelson as a moment of weakness that he was conflicted over, but they apparently decided the movie should be a nuance free zone.
Perseus read real differently in general, more funny, less monosyllabic. Maybe that was an actor thing?
Barky Bark was always there though, so there's no excuse for that.
That story got epically fucked with, and for the life of me I can't figure out why.
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No one actually cares about this movie so just go crazy with it. And get Gemma to get naked.
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The Medusa fight sucked, gone was the creepy atmosphere, the tension, and suspense and replaced with a whiz-bang action fiesta. Everything else felt more expensive then it needed to be and lifeless. But Gemma Arderton (or whatever) was great to look at.
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I didn't go to either of the first versions, but I might go to this one. I can't help think it's going to be hilariously bad.
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The Kraken is a Titan and so is Medusa, hence the title. It was a clash of their powers. I guess you thought it was going to be a Godzilla-styled battle?
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The Titans were the parents of the gods, whom the gods defeated and imprisoned. Medusa and the kraken are just monsters.
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Harumph!
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First off let me say I think Clash is a good, not great action fantasy film. But of all the things to complain about, THIS is what you came away with?1. As I recall, Perseus’ dad doesn’t like the random and petulant NATURE of the Gods. He also understands that if he doesn’t honor them, they will curse his livelihood as a fisherman. You’re pretty much saying Flash Gordan is a shit film because the people of Mongo don’t like Ming yet bring him tribute. 2. Hades doesn’t kill Perseus’ family for “NO FUCKING REASON”, he hates people! The soldiers knocking down the statue gave him an excuse to kill some of them. When an ant bites you, are you careful to assess which ants didn’t bite you or do you just say “fucking ants” and stomp them all? Same principle. 3. This is the same point as number 2 above that you seem to just not get. 4. That we’ve never heard of before? That’s your problem with these characters? Were you screaming that like CONSTANTLY throughout LOTR? “HEY! What are these elf thingees? We’ve never heard of them before! Isn’t that fucking convenient! This whole movie is one big dues ex machine!” 5. You’re just not getting that Greek Gods are fickle. They change their minds frequently. AGAIN, when they are pissed off at humans, we’re all fair game. LATER ON, when the heat of the moment has passed and Zues is proud of Perseus, THEN he offers him a small token of help. This is NOT an inconsistency. 6. Ok, so Darth Vader goes to a DEATH STAR? This can be for only two reasons, cool set designs and TOYS! *eyeroll* 7. What the fuck are you babbling about? The action is supposed to stop dead and the plot put on hold so that a soldier can catch up with dead grandma? Yeah, THAT would have made it a better movie! Fucking CHRIST! 8. I can’t really remember this scene, but I recall having a similar feeling so I’ll give you this one. Still, it hardly makes it a “HORRIBLE FUCKING MOVIE!” 9. Ummmmm….this is point 5 all over again. You’ve already lodged this complaint and I’ve already struck it down. 10. Because he NEEDED it! It’s either that or say “Aw, fuck it.” And go home! 10. Yes I’m sure a scene was trimmed out there, and rightfully so. But what difference does it make TO YOU if the Gods are in the room or not? Serious, big fucking deal!11. Aaaaaaand…. your point is? “What a shitty deal”? In what way?
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Yes, according to greek myth you are correct, but this is a MOVIE which obviously take LOTS of liberties with the myths it uses as vague source material. that's like saying "Why do people speak english in Star Wars? And why do they wear kimonos? Why spend all that time building a Death Star and then have a destruct button on the surface?"You can nitpick ANY movie to death, particularly if you're trying to compare it to reality. There's a reason they're called FANTASY.
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Aug 31, 2010 1:03:06 PM CDT
METHINKS YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING TO MUCH THOUGHT INTO COTT
by bringingsexyback
But if it floats your boat ...
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Vacations, man. Thanks for the warm welcome, i appreciate it.
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Its clear you either didn't put too much thought into your retorts, or that you didn't read any of my points beyond the first sentence.
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Aug 31, 2010 1:16:53 PM CDT
IF ONLY HARRY HAD PUT HALF AS MUCH THOUGHT AS YOU GUYS ARE
by bringingsexyback
into Inception, we wouldn't have this crisis of confidence in our leadership. But alas, he fell asleep.
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eeeyyyahh ok..think ill just sit this one out.
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eeeyyyahh ok..think ill just sit this one out.
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"Classical heroes were all about honor and glory"When was the last time you read one of those ancient greek classic myths? The gods and heroes being about honour and honesty? They are all, without exception, self-serving people who seek their owngratification, and always end up badly because of hubris. The notion of honour as perceived back then was way different then today's notion. The only thing the movie got right,and it was by mistake, is that all the heroes and gods of the ancient greek myths are self-serving assholes. But they are interesting self-serving assholes, not the lame uninteresting cyphers we got in the fucking movie. For all it's flaws and wonderful childishness, the original CLASH OF THE TITANS at least mantained a bit of that mystique and sense of wonder about the old myths, which is why people still dig it today while nobody in their right mind would actually mistake the remake for a good movie and bother to remember it exists came next year.
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How cna you call fun a movie with all the flaws and bad stuff you named about? Insulting is a far mroe apt description then fun. Unless you are one of those who finds lots of fun by being insulted, like William Shatner in his Comedy Central roasting.
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The Kraken is not a titan. You know why? Because it's a monster from NORSE MYTHOLOGY. Cetus, however, was a titan, and in the greek myths it's Cetus that is summon to destry Argos. Cetus, not the bloody Kraken! I never understood why even in the original movie they put the fucking Kraken in the movie, when the greek myths already had their own giant sea monster. Do the greek and norse gods have monster exchange programs, and when the adventure of Persus happened, the Cetus was borrowed to the norse gods so they had to user their guest the kraken? I wonder what the greek gods said as way of appology to the norse gods for they letting their guest monster the Kraken get killed. Must had been a really very embaracing moment.
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"Release the norse mythological sea monster that has absolutly nothing to do with this greek myth story we are playing about. Why? I'm not the screenwriter, i'm just a god slave to the whims of writers and producers who can't give a fuck about the most basic notions of ancient greek myth!"
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... was this inicial dysthesitic attitude the movie has toward gods and religion. Which soon got sidestepped and washed away and even reversed by the end. It's as if inically soembody has the balls to write a movie about what shits gods and religion are, but then they got cold feet becasue somebody feared some might see the movie as an attack not just on a dead religion but on EVERY RELIGIONS, including precious christianity, and decided to water it down and pretend it wasn't even there by making shit up as it went along. Fucking cowardly movie that CLASH OF THE LAMES is. Another dumb bullshit movie from Holylwood which doesn't have the strengh of it's convictions, all for the sake of kissing the ass of some retard from the biblebelt.
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Did you not see Galaxy Quest?
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True that, BSB. True that.
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The greek gods are in uproar because there is this upstart god called Yahweh who's blindly adored by a this small tribe of uneducated country bumkins. They got word that this upstart god Yahweh made a huge destruction on the egyptian pantheon and it's now going on Greece's direction. The greek gods ar enot too pleased to have that rukus on their turf and decide to enlist Perseus's help, by way of blackmail: either Perseus helps out or Io buys the farm again and he doesn't have his shag plaything anymore. The pivotal moment in the movie is when Perseus meets Yahweh and the later plays with him bay saying that it's not important that Io dies because there is an afterlife where he can find her after he does and then will live with her forever and ever. Perseus is convinced, sides with Yahweh and fights and destroys the greek gods (My son, my son, what have you done?" "Fuck you dad, i'm the master of the house now!"). As a last fuck you, the last surviving Greek god kills Io before he dies. Heart-broken and in despair, and remembering Yahweh's words that he will live with Io for ever in the afterlife, Perseus kills himself. But his plan fails and finds himself in hell being shoved hot iron pokes uop his ass. Yahweh then explaisn that Persus comited suicide, which is a mortal sin and thus puts him directly in hell. Perseus cries that Yahweh tricked him, he never said anythign about this, and Yahweh replies "it was in the small prints, didn't you read them?".Moral of the story: The greek gods were assholes, but at least they behaved like humans and one could predict and understand them. Unlike that two-timing schizophrenic jealous cypher Yahweh who nobody knows and understands the mysterious ways he works.Co-stars Samson, Noah and his zoo, Moses, David as the kid and Job as the comedy relief sidekick.There will be a great monster fight scene between Johan's Giant fish and resurected, patched up and up-grated Kraken (Cetus is still in vacation in Norway), where no CGI is spared.
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How cna you make an historical document about a myth? The point is about showing some basic accuracy, like the one would get from reading the fucking cliff notes. Which the filmmakers of CLASH OF THE LAMES couldn't even be arsed to do.And fuck all that argument about "it's just a movie". Then i can shit about the Bible, it's just a book, anyway. It cuts both ways, pal! Movies is the literature of the 21th century. Deal with it.
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Do you know what the word "Glory" means? Or "vanity" which you conveniently leave out of your retort? Besides, you can't apply a singular character profile to stories that have been written in so many different ways. Go take a nap or something.
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What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Oh, did you think all films based on the Bible were historically accurate?
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Nice try, Lao Chen.
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Thank you, good sir. Great to see you too, of course.
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Almost all of D. Vaders points are a direct result of changes the suits had them make after it was originally shot. Character motivations, romances, Zeus' actions (and those added later in reshoots) were all changed mostly for the worse in exactly the ways D.Vader describes. So I would say the original writers and the director agree with him since their original version fixes most of these issues.
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You are not getting the point. What the other reinteratings of the myth have doneis to portait a orange in different shades of orange colour. What CLASH OF THE LAMES did was saying that oranges are blue. It's not exactly the same thing. CLASH OF THE LAMES fucked up. Fucked up royally! Epic fail, as they say in modern parleur. You don't need to fuck up beyond all possible recognition and dumb it the fuck down to make an ancient greek myth appealing and interesting in a movie. All it takes is proper and clever storytelling and real filmmaking skills, which were absent in the crew who made this fucking movie. The excuse of "there has been many reinterpretations before" bullshit doesn't cut it. There has been many reinterpretations of the myth before, and many of them were fucking bad. Same with this movie. Only some of the good reinterpretations have remained and survived. This movie will not.
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Same difference.
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And where is this original version? Has it been released in DVD? Or it's just locked away in some archive, left unfinished?
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Aug 31, 2010 3:24:51 PM CDT
The movie made nearly $500M, so I guess somebody liked it
by return_of_fett
You can bellyache all you want, but the movie works and most people liked it. I have no idea if the original version would have played better, but I know people go to a film like this for ACTION not 30 minutes of soap oprah bullshit with the Gods. I think that is mostly what they changed, other than saying "Hey, maybe the chick Perseus, you know, actually spends time with is the one he should have a crush on and not the one he meets for 2 minutes and leaves." Sounds fucking logical to me.
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TRASHFUCKMERS 2 made 700 millions at the box office and it's a fucking horrible pile of shit. What's your point?
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The movie's commercial sucess is proof enough that no mater how bad and stupid a movie is, if you sell it well, it will cash well. There's other examples of that too, like both Mickey Bay's TRASHFUCKMERS movies and Jar Jar Abrams's latest.
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Like it or not, the fact is that it has also sold something like 50 million dollars of DVDs and Blu-Rays in a month. All those people don't like the movie?
I liked the movie alright too, Fett, I'm just saying a lot of the serious criticisms people have wouldn't have been there if they hadn't changed the story at the last minute. I get changing stuff you don't like but changing it into stuff that is obviously worse means somebody made a bad decision and from Devin's take, and common sense I guess, it's obviously the studio.
Asimov it probably exists on a hard drive somewhere and there are bits and pieces on the dvd extras, though I was told there are more where the fx plug was pulled even earlier. -
Not pedantic, pretentious, mythologically "accurate" piles of shit.And NO, nobody wants to see a movie about Zues' fucking PARENTS!
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You are truly a fucking phenominon AsimovLives! you don't have a one track mind, you have a one track fucking LIFE!
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By fun you mean retard and bad?
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Jar Jar Abrams's SHIT TREK is now the yardstick by which i compare and contrast all bad movies made recently, because it's such an extreme and pure example. If you have a problem with that, talk to the hand.
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The whole Calibos story ark was misguided... I mean I get trying to improve on what was basically a throwaway character in the original, but it just seemed wrong. Some of the key "universe developing" scenes... The witches, the paying the ferryman, medusa. were all 3 her there and gone in a flash.
The time spent on the scorpions is at least triple that of those scenes. Hades was very well done, but the rest of the gods... why didn't any of them look like Greek gods? Why were they "soldiers"? It just didn't make sense. A sequel would be interesting, though I wish that they made a movie about the actual Greek Titans. ( the "proto gods" before Zeus that they gloss over in the prolog )
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Harry please update this site to have edit features.. there are literall hundreds of free BBoard/forum software packages out there that you could tweak to look exactly like this.
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You compare Medusa's Underworld lair to the Death Star? I didn't realize the lava was capable of destroying all of Argos in on fell blast, and that Perseus and his band of freedom fighters were going to spend the final 3rd of the movie trying to destroy it. Dude. They're not comparable. AT ALL.
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Kick Ass 2 - the movie no one will ever see.
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How about...NO! Stop making crap movies.
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I don't know why Louis Leterrier did such a crappy job. He did so good with The Incredible Hulk. Hopefully this nw director can get things in shape.
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What the heck, dude? You'd rather see a movie that might be subpar than a bona fide spew of awesomeness?
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The Death Star is integral to the plot of Star Wars. Medusa's Underworld lair could have been anything. It has no bearing on the plot whatsoever.
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Maybe you are into the joke, but the the grecians were not greeks, but hellenized jews that lived either in the big cities of Judeia and were influenced by the greek culture of the seleucide empire, or who lived outside Judeia. So, the grecians were helelnized jews. and not what George Dumbya Bush once mistakenly called the greeks. Greeks are one people, grecians are hellenized (greek culture influeced) jews of ancient times.
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He did made very good and inteligent points about how the movie misuses the underworld sequences, including the Medusa's lair. And truly, if the only way to have the misfortune to meet the Medusa is to get to Hades first, and the only way to get there, other then dying, is to get cross the river stinx by paying Charon currency that only the gods possess. Which does indeed rob Medusa's lair of it's terror, because it's nigh on impossible to get there. In the original movie, as it is in the myths, the medusa lived in the world of men, and any traveller who didn't knew better could be an easy prey. This is why she was such a terror. The movie makes her be a foe only if you deliberatly want to go there and by going over impossible obstacles to get to her, including getting money only the gods have. It's just silly and ill thoughout.D.Vader is very on the money about many of the movie's major problems.
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My typo, my mistake.
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As you very well pointed out, it does seem that the major problems the movie has were indeed the result of reshots made, ironically, to try to make the movie better. The original story seems to have better consistency. I doubt the movie will still be a good movie, but it seems it might have lesser story, internal logic and structure problems. Which is a better deal then the crap we got.
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Calibus was not a throwaway character in the original movie, he was the main antagonist, and he was portaited as a tragic villain, he was by far the most tragic character in the whole movie, and the movie spends a good deal of it's screentime in his characterization. In fact, he's the character that's the most developed in characterization. And he must had been the character that the filmmakers spent the most time working, because he was both portaited by an actor in heavy make-up and as a stop-motion animation. The Calibus in the new movie does look indeed like a throaway character who gets a character ark out of nowhere.
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I made the same typo mistake as our friend MurderMostFowl. Need edit button indeed.
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There is as much chance of mickey bay making a good awesome movie as ice keeping cold in hell. If ther eis any indication, TRASHFUCKMERS 3 will be even worst then the two that preceded it. Mark my words.
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a double gyro with everything please.yum.
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After watching the original, this series needs a new Highlander. This movie is perfect franchise material. You could put Connor MacLeod in any almost any time period battles other immortals and histories bad guys.
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Jesus fucking CHRIST
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The statues of people in Medusa's lair WERE ALREADY IN THE UNDERWORLD! They weren't living soldiers on a fucking holiday!Once you understand that, I don't know how you could possibly have a problem with the scene. It's just a location like any other location in the film. Sure everything could have happened on one block in town but that'd be pretty sucky don't you think?AGAIN, the movie is a HUGE hit, most people like it, you don't because you're a whiney bitch, too fucking bad.
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Speaking of Jesus Christ... stop me if you know this one. Jesus Christ goes to a motel, hands over 4 nails to the innkeeper and says "Can you put me up for the night?".
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The status in Medusa's lair are suppose dto be soldiers who went ther ebefore. How the fuck they went there and, worst of all, why would they had even bothered to, is a complete mystery that not evne the fucking filmmakers can answer. It's just there because it looks cool, but with no rhyme or reason and in complete contradiction to the movie's own narrative logic. Which has very little to begin with.
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Thanks, but your coment is about which post i did? If it's about the jesus christ joke, i took it from THE CROW.
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... because a bad movie never made lots of money before, right? Who the fuck uses box office as an argument in favor of a movie or as an indicator of quality? Fucking accountants?
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Go ahead cite some dialogue that says "Soldiers from the land of the living go there all the time. It's fun."See? The film NEVER says or even implies such a thing. It's your own imagination, wrongfully, filling that in. Hence, NOT A DAMN THING WRONG WITH THAT SCENE!
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I'm using it as an indicator of whether or not people ENJOYED IT! People enjoy all kinds of different films for different reasons. You can't put them all in a fucking lineup and stamp "bad" or "good" on their foreheads.
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How art thou today my friend
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How are yous?
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Doing good, hope you had an enjoyable vacation. One of these years i'll do the vacation thing....I hope lol.
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That is too say I abstain from engaging you as your incaplable of civil discoruse.
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Who is this "Asimov_Lives" fellow? AsimovLives (no underscore) is the Asi I know and love.
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http://tinyurl.com/23frg34
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That thing is fricken' cool! I've been using it to visualize my script. It's pretty limited of course, but still fun to play with.
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You know why chicks dig Jesus? Cuz he's hung like this (and then you gotta mime JC on the cross)
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And I'm DEFINITELY using it!
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Revised and vastly improved:http://tinyurl.com/2fmm5x4And the Patented Coveted Royston Lodge No-Prize winning...WHEN FISHUS MET CHOPPAH: The Moviehttp://tinyurl. com/39pw4wt
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I art well, thanks for your sympathetic query, ol' friend.
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That was awesome! Sure beats my more PC Jesus joke. Good job, man, good job.
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In the underworld scene.
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Asimov_Lives is indeed an impostor. He's not the only one, actually, but the others seem to have past their expiration date. Asimov_Lives, however, still persists. I think you know you have arrived and made your mark when some idiot try to pass as you. It's like a form of flatery of sorts, like when Christopher Walken imitators flater the guy by making non-stop imitations of the guy.
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Please don't mistake me for Asimov_Lives. Can you see the difference between us? Besides the underscore in the nick, i'm the one who actually has a personality.
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I'm hurt Asi, I really am. How many times have I backed you up and defended your ass from countless trolls.
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I don't think anybody is suprised that it will happen. It's just sad that the first movie had to be as shitty as it is. Really, screw CASH OF THE TITANS 2, i'm going to watch Tarsen's IMMORTALS instead. After THE FALL, i'm a fan.
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So you two mix it up.And I'm only in this for the crazed, hyperbolic, interpretive artistry (i.e., reality does not exist in this Dojo).
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Never. You think i mistake your jokes as honesty? Get a life.
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Humourless pricks don't enjoy THE BIG LEBOSKI and DR STRANGELOVE the way i do. The differenc ebetween you and me is that i laught at the really funny stuff, and not at the shitty crap. Even humour needs brains to suceed, a lesson you will never learn, clown.
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In my defense my friend, I have not gotten much sleep the past few days. I have sleep apnea and my machine that helps me sleep better has been out of commission so in 7-8 hours i get the equivalent of about 2-3 hours of good rest. Sucks big time bro.
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Basically, you snore a lot. I mknow, it's a much mroe serious desease then people think. some have died in their sleep from that. I discovered that since my late 20s i started to snore too, which brough me much sadness. Because i fucking hate snoring. Get well, friend and catch some sleep. You know what i do when i get a bit of insomnia too? I drink a beer. It works like a charm, puts me to sleep easy. otherwise, you could just put a really very fucking boring movie playing on the DVD, but since i never bought PEARL HARBOR i'm out of luck on that regard.
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How the fuck that happen? since when such an idiot like him knows what Iberia is? Did he lucked out, or he can actually find the place on the map? As for being iberic, damn proud of it too. Wouldn't want it any other way. How cool is iberia? You thinlk CONAN THE BARBARIAN looks cool? It was shot there. So there!And Monty Pythons is hillarious indeed. Only morons would disagree.
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But in my country we have REAL BEER, and not that fag ass piss water shit you got in USA and call Budweisser. If you are feeling sleepy and you ddrink one of ours, you will get knock out. And don't take my word for it, ask the americans stationed in the airbase at Lages, Azores. Pussy ignorant redneck ass!
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GED DO DA CHOPPAH!
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Well apnea is actually not snoring, it usually accompanies it, but the actual condition is you stop breathing while you sleep....a lot. For only a few seconds, but my Dr. told me I averaged about 45 times an hour, explains why I was so tired all the time.
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That's really a bad deal you got there, friend. I really hope you get your relief soon enough. Get well soon, friend.
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Wait, so now the poor folk who were turned into statues were already dead? Well that makes even less sense. Look, there's no logic behind Medusa living in the Underworld. I'm not whining, I'm pointing out very lazy writing. If you're fine with that level of subpar filmmaking, and if you want to resort to calling names (because you have no argument), then congrats,' you're a fool.
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Should be able to temporarily rig my unit to work for now, but I need new equipment, gotta get my doc to prescribe me some. Imagine that, a prescription for a piece of fucking plastic, what a load of shit.
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That means what exactly? Nothing. Keep to the topics at hand and you won't look like such an idiot.
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What did Jesus say to the guy hanging on the cross next to him? "Dude, I can see your house from here."
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I have not even seen the new Clash yet, and I don't need to. From what I read in Vades breakdown of it, the film is full of ridiculously lazy writing. The worst part is that someone in H-wood looked at the script and though it was good enough to put on screen. Like I said in another post, either the writers are just plain stupid, or they think the audience won't be clever enough to pick up on their mistakes. Either way it's an insult to the audience. Obviously they were right about the audience, as the movie made decent money.
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Not interested in seeing what is clearly a POS. Feel the same way about THE GODFATHER 3 (which I will never see).
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Keep 'em coming. For some reason, religious jokes always crack me up. I just love to poke fun at religion and their sacred figures.
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I think it's both things, i think the general intelligence of the people writing for movies in today's holywood is pretty low, and they do truly believe that people are really stupid. And then there's the 3rd factor you failed to mention, which is, this wroters and the producers and filmmakers who accept to make those movies they just don't give a fuck about such things as script, regardless of what they claim about the importance of a script and how many chyanges and versions they wrote, the truth of the matter is if they actually cared, movies like CASH OF THE TITANS wouldn't had reached the screens like it is. It's a dumb movie made by dumb uncaring people who believe everybody in the ausdiences are as dumb as they are or worst. I would feel insulted by the movie like i am about you know what if not for the fact that the move is so fucking lame that it doesn't even deserve to be upset about. Which is probably a worst fate.
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Sep 01, 2010 12:02:38 PM CDT
Damn, I can't think of any more JC jokes at the moment
by klytus_i.m_bored
I have some child molester ones though. Either category is good for Catholics, I suppose.
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GODFATHER 3 is a far better movie then most give it credit for. It doesn't compare to GODFATHER 1 and 2, but to call it a bad movie is just plain stupid.
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Or protestants, for that matter.
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I've heard opinions ranging from "it's alright" (like yours) to "it was a travesty." In the interests of keeping two of the best films I've seen in my life sacrosanct in my memory, I choose not to see The G3. Who knows how I'd feel.With the CLASH remake, I feel a good bit differently in that the first movie wasn't any great shakes imo. And the almost universal thumbs down by folks whose opinion I trust means I won't be wasting my time seeing it.
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It is NOT the abortion that everyone makes it out to be. Is it on par with the first two? No way. The story is actually pretty decent, and the acting is good as well. Just two words that drag that movie down, and I do mean down....no surprise...Sofia Coppola. My god she is in a tie for the wost offspring actor along with Stallone's kid for his piss poor excuse for acting in Rocky V. SPOILER AHEADShe takes what should have been a tragic & heartbreaking scene, her death, and I swear to god, it made me laugh. That's how fucking awful she is in that. So overall the movie was not god fucking awful, that honor is for Coppola. It should have been better, but I really don't think it was the god awful mess that everyone makes it out to be.
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But it is ultimately her father's fault for casting her and being too blind by his act of nepotism to see that she wasn't working out.
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Who like Godfather part I better than two. Two is a great film, no doubt, but for me, Brando makes the first movie, and not having him in the second it just lost something for me, and even though we see Sonny in a flashback, or outtake from the first one, his presence is also missed.Don't get me wrong, it's not like I am saying part II is really inferior to part I, I'm saying that the first is like the top of the line Porsche, and the second is the next model down. Still amazing, but just a bit below being the best.
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Sep 01, 2010 12:42:15 PM CDT
So it's DUMB that people are walking around the underworld?
by return_of_fett
I guess your problem is with greek mythology and not this movie. Wait....wasn't it supposed to be the other way around? Hypocrite much?"If you want to resort to namecalling, you're a fool"Why YES, yes you ARE a hypocrite!
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unless those people are Hades or are dead.
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As the second carries over from the first so easily. Big difference to me in the two are that the first is about the Corelone family and the second is about Michael.
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Because you're not putting any thought into anything I am saying.
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First, i guess, is the epic feel of the movie. While the first movie tells the story of this powerful family through almost 3 decade,s the second movie plays it even broader, and goes into the heart of the mafia problem, and what kind of people allowed this monster to get so big and powerful. If the first is about the live of some people in a few decades, the second movie spans half a century, two generations, and 3 countries.But it's not just the scale, but the drama. PART II is the story of a man who becames an unhuman monster, and it's unrelenstlessly bleak, making no concessions. If the first movie felt the need to put some sympathy to the character,s the second movie goes to the bone and shows the type of unhuman monsters that need to be to make the mafia be what it is. The movie is to big it almost transcend cinema.
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I don't think Fett is even making a point at all.
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Besides that fact that no one should see that piece of shit... I have a question.
At the end of the movie, Perseus and the hot chick fall from the platform right in front of the city into the bay right in front of the city.... but the very next shot they are washed up on some seemingly deserted island with ships sailing to me them.
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It really showed the role of the mob in post WW2 America. Then it spliced it with the descent of Michael into this fallen angel role of a man who by doing what he thinks is right, sells his soul. He knows it but justifies it because he's protecting his "family" and everything his father worked for. What he forgets is that his father didn't want Michael to have anything to do with the business.
The scene between Michael and Kate after he finds out the babys been lost is unbelievable. SPOILER When she tells Michael she had an abortion because she didnt want to bring more of his evil into the world still is a shocker.
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That's why they are in the underworld! Did I say anything contradictory to that? Why the hell would I say they were from the land of the living if that was the exact point I was contesting? My god people!
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Because you are REFUSING to answer any of the points I have made. Do a point by point refutation of my list or FUCK OFF!
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is that you are fucking STUCK THERE and BAD SHIT HAPPENS TO YOU! You know, like getting turned to stone for fucking eternity by Medusa!You FUCKING MORONS can't seem to grasp this unvelievably simple point that MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE MOVIE got without a second's hesitation!YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID!
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At the Corleone compound when it something bad was going to happen or showing Michael alone. Lion in winter symbolism perhaps?
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Why don't you juast stick with "You're not listening to me" because that is the REFUGE OF FUCKING COWARDS!DEBATE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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I think Fett's feelings are hurt because I said Clash was a bad movie and poorly written. Which is weird. I didn't say everyone who likes the flick must be an idiot, and yet he seems to have taken personal offense to my critique of the film.
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Called out on your stupidity and stand there dumbfounded you fucking douchebag!
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Ill do a point for point refutation later when I get home. Too time-consuming on the iPhone while on set.
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Ill do a point for point refutation later when I get home. Too time-consuming on the iPhone while on set.
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Contrary to popular belief, I don't constantly reload the page looking for your posts. It's NOT all about you. That last post I wrote was a response to Asi, which was the last post on my screen. Relax. Stop before you pop a vein.
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Were you one of the writers? Did you order the reshoots? Why are you defending this movie with such passion and vitriol? I haven't even seen the movie, but most of Vader's points seem pretty valid to me.
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Whatever, I don't give a shit.
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If there is one thing i have learned in here is that people take a lot of offense when one points out the failures of bad movies. This people get far more offended with that then with the bashing of a good movie. This place is a den of lovers of the worst kind of cinema ever made, and woe he who dareth put into the limelight the faults and errors of bad movies. He will get a jihad on his ass. I know this from personal experience myself. Like an ancient roman, i have the scars to show as proof.
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I think i understand the point D.Vader is making.The problem is not that the weapon that might kill the Kraken is in Medusa's lair. The problem is not that what kills the kraken is Medusa's own head, whose gaze turns every living beins into stone. that stuff is directly taken from the myths. The probnlem is not even that, in this version of teh story, the Medusa's lair is in Hades. I mean, sounds savvy and smart, if you are a god who has your pet destroyer monster, it stands to reason you would want to keep at a very safe place the only thing in the world that could be it's destroyer. It's safe keeping. Fine.No, the problem is, who the fuck are the other dudes in Medusa's klair, the dudes whoa re now stones? Who are this guys? Why were they here? Did this guys were also others who wanted to cut Medusa's head so they could kill the Kraken too? A former expedition with the same intent at Perseus and his pals? This story happende before, and Perseus is repeating it? Because otherwise, it makes absolutly no fucking sense at all. The movie presents the travel to Medusa's lair as an impossible task, one which only Persus mannaged to achieve. Then they only enter in Hades becasue Zeus gives Perseus the only type of currency that Charon accepts to transport living people across the River Styx, to Gods' shilling, if you will. So, by the movie's own logic, nobody should had been in Medusa's lair before. They would had been the very first people ever there. Not only would that make sense within the story, it would also make the Perseus and his team look more heroic and capable. They achieved the impossible. Instead, they are just the latest guys to bug Medusa at her home. Big deal! Been there, done that before, you see?I know why there are statues of former Medusa's victims in her lair: becasue it looks cool. Yeah, it looks cool.. and it looks stupid within the context and internal logic of the story. This is what happens when filmmakers go for the "cool" stuff but forget to make it make sense in the story. and this is one of the reasons why a movie like CASH OF THE TITANS (not a typo) is a bad dumb movie. Nobody who was making this movie was thinking this shit through. Making a self-coherent story doesn't need to have genious level of intellect to achieve. All it takes is to give a fuck about what you are doing. Which nobody who made this movie did. Even the older movie rationalized a reason why Medusa's lair was littered with status of her victims, and nobody can accuse that movie of being a literary work of genious. And this is something i constantly notice about the older type of fantasy movies like the original and the new over-bloated giant budget movies like the remake: inthe odler movies, the writers and filmmakers actually care to have some internal consistency in their stories. Nobody is giving a fuck about that anymore, specially those who are making this CGI extravaganzas, that's for sure.
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As for yuou trying to get our ass out of a pickle by claiming that Bud is not american anymore... nice try, no cigar. Bud is an american beer, it's your major americna beer, it's the one that you guys made it your national beer and put it next to the flag, so deal with it. And it's shitty. The worst fucking beer i ever had the displeasure to taste in all my life. Deal with it, Bud is the american, will always be. You guys should made a better one be the most popular, one that is actually good. Too late to try to get your ass out of that predictement now.
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Forget our mutual aspergions before, and allow me to share your puzzlement in Fett's dedicated defense of CASH OF THE TITANS (not a typo). i know that Fett can be idiocincratic soemtimes, but this is taking it too far,. The very notion that there can be an ardent fan of this movie is just beyond compreention. Even in the pantheon of bad movies, CASH OF THE TITANS is unremarkable. It's symtomatic og Holylwood bad blockbuster filmmaking, yes, but it's hardly it's worst example. Nor is it a work of overlooked genious that deserves an ardent passionate defense against logic and reason. It's just... weird!
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My mind is reeling at the idea that someone would defend a movie this bland and vanilla so passionately. I simply cannot imagine what would compel someone to do that.
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"but it's still somewhat similar to the mission to take down the Death Star, which is all I'm saying."Can i ask you to elaborate on that, please?As for the changes in the script, that a very well known fact. But i doubt there was much change in the whole Medusa sequence. From what i understand, the major changes has to do with the gods and the final fate of Io and the change of the love interest of Perseus from Andromedra to Io. Which is weird, because Io never was part of the Perseus story to begin with. But neither was the nordic Kraken either.And i'm glad that you guys get other, better beers then Bud in the states, but the truth is, no matter who owns it now, it is the American Beer. Much like Volvo, who once was owned by Ford and now by a chinese consortium, and yet everybody calls it swedish, or Lamborguini, which is now owned by Audi which in turn is owned by Volkswagen and yet everybody call it italian not german.
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"I simply cannot imagine what would compel someone to do that."Indeed. Besides being a bad movie, vanilla, as you called it, is the most accurate description of the emotional impact that movie can cause on soembody, which is, pretty null. And yet, there you have it, Fett arguing the movie's merits passionatly. And why? I don't have a clue. all i get is the same answer that people give when they defend bad movies: "I had fun". Which says absolutly nothing at all. Yeah, it's all fine the subjectivity of personal opinions, but at least back them up with some understandable argument that makes some sense, you know what i mean?
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Sep 01, 2010 5:33:27 PM CDT
I swear, the only things that i liked in CASH OF TITANS...
by asimovlives
... was the Charon's barge (it was a cool design indeed), and watching Gemma Arterton. What a good looking young woman she is. And her sexy brit accent, wow!
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We don't always agree, but at least you argue your points with a degree of civility. A trait lacking in many of the talkbacks these days. Cheers!
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Thanks for the compliment, it means a lot. And you said cheers. you are british, perchance? If so, what you think of CENTURION? I think the movie is getting an unjust shallacking from your critics, i hope the audiences there are embracing it better.
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...when it comes to releasing the eventual 3D Blu-ray version, so that they don't stink up the place with the dreadful theatrical effort we got.It's the least those cheap, lazy bastards can do, since they single-handedly undid a lot of the good vibe for decent 3D that 'AVATAR' and others started.With the amount of undeserved profits that they got out of this release, they can at least use some of it to totally RE-'convert' it PROPERLY for it's 3D Blu-ray release.It's not 3D 'conversions' that are a future threat to the future of 3D, it's SHODDY 'conversion' companies that are the problem. Some actually know what they are doing, but others certainly don't unfortunately...
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Clash of the Titans was released in Germany and it has been reviewed. Apparently they DID go in and fix the 3D for this transfer which is likely the same one we will get here eventually. It is region free so if you want to import it you can, for $45.I personally think this is an OK movie, not great by any stretch. The original was as well. Notice how critics of the new version fail to mention how Perseus in the original, whom had never touched a sword before, somehow manages to become a master swordsmith by swinging one around a couple of times. And don't even get me started on the retarded metal owl.So I'm not defending the movie per se, I'm just saying there are far better things to criticize it for than "There aren't any people in the underworld therefore they must have come from the land of the living" because that's insanely stupid.
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Uhhhhhh, yes that's exactly what you've been doing this entire time. Not ONCE have you ever suggested "There are far better things to criticize it for than..." Because by my count, you've never fucking said that, much less even offered ONE damn example.
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Sep 01, 2010 10:16:23 PM CDT
Because you just keep repeating the same retardation over and ov
by return_of_fett
CLUE: The underworld consists of more than just Hades and Medusa!FUCKING DUUUUUUUUUH!ACKNOWLEDGE IT FUCKWAD!I'm not DEFENDING the movie, I'm ATTACKING your stupidity! LEARN THE DIFFERENCE!
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"1. As I recall, Perseus’ dad doesn’t like the random and petulant NATURE of the Gods. He also understands that if he doesn’t honor them, they will curse his livelihood as a fisherman. You’re pretty much saying Flash Gordan is a shit film because the people of Mongo don’t like Ming yet bring him tribute." I think you're reading in between the lines too much here. As the movie stands, in one scene the dad hates the gods, in the next he is happy to be paying tribute to them, not acting like a sullen teenager forced to do chore he does not like. If he felt like the NECESSITY of paying tribute to the Gods was such a problem, I doubt he would have seemed so cheerful to do it. "2. Hades doesn’t kill Perseus’ family for “NO FUCKING REASON”, he hates people! The soldiers knocking down the statue gave him an excuse to kill some of them. When an ant bites you, are you careful to assess which ants didn’t bite you or do you just say “fucking ants” and stomp them all? Same principle." I'll give you this, except nowhere is it said (as far as I remember) that Hades hates humans. Again, you're reading too much into it to try and make sense of a very nonsensical situation. And you have not refuted my point that it would have been far BETTER for the story and its theme had his family been collateral damage (as has been confirmed by some who read earlier scripts as being the original intent) instead of murdered). 3. "This is the same point as number 2 above that you seem to just not get." First, its not the same point. Second, I can see how you'd be confused if ALL you did was read my first sentence. Admittedly, its a bit confusing, but my 1st sentence here is not my main point, merely an introduction to what I wanted to argue. I should have rephrased. My point here is another example of what happened in #1- its a situation where a character BETRAYS and CONTRADICTS how he had been previously set up. A character who is ADAMANT about doing things on their own, as a human without help from the Gods, would not be so willing to pray for help and assistance. The two pieces do not fit. It is bad characterization. "4. That we’ve never heard of before? That’s your problem with these characters (the desert bark wizards)? Were you screaming that like CONSTANTLY throughout LOTR? “HEY! What are these elf thingees? We’ve never heard of them before! Isn’t that fucking convenient! This whole movie is one big dues ex machine!”" Guess what idiot, the ELVES are mentioned in the FIRST few fucking minutes of the movie. Great example, numbskull. But you highlighted what's great about LOTR and not about Clash. LOTR IMMEDIATELY set the stage and told you who all the players were in the story. Clash has the Bark Wizards appear at just the perfect moment to save the heroes without any setup. They may as WELL have been the hand of God. That's a Deus Ex Machina. I understand the point you're trying to make, but you've used a very weak example."5. You’re just not getting that Greek Gods are fickle. They change their minds frequently. AGAIN, when they are pissed off at humans, we’re all fair game. LATER ON, when the heat of the moment has passed and Zues is proud of Perseus, THEN he offers him a small token of help. This is NOT an inconsistency." Pretend you've never read Greek mythology. Pretend this is your FIRST experience with them. Has there been ANY setup, any discussion, anything to tell you, the audience, that the Gods are fickle? No? Then you can NOT assume that this error in writing is just an example of the Gods being fickle. If anything, its an example of the Gods being MORONS with short-term memory loss. Because we see NO examples of them changing their minds, we see examples of them acting completely opposite of how they acted before without ANY explanation. Did we have a scene where Zeus is shown to be proud of his son? No. Last we saw of him, he literally told the other Gods that Perseus could die with the rest of the humans. But later he shows up to help him. To help him... stop him? It makes no sense. That's not being fickle. That's being either A) an idiot or B) a very poorly written character.
"6. Ok, so Darth Vader goes to a DEATH STAR? This can be for only two reasons, cool set designs and TOYS! *eyeroll*" I've already argued this, but Death Star is INTEGRAL to the plot of Star Wars. The Underworld lair is NOT integral to the plot of Clash of the Titans. It could have been a mountain or a castle in the sky. It did not fucking matter. One would think the choice of the Underworld was made for story and thematic reasons, so that the mortal heroes could come face to face with their mortality in seeing their dead relatives and thus coming to grips with the past. But the writers never even BOTHERED to go down that path. That's LAZY WRITING. "7. What the fuck are you babbling about? The action is supposed to stop dead and the plot put on hold so that a soldier can catch up with dead grandma? Yeah, THAT would have made it a better movie! Fucking CHRIST!" Seriously, do you even read the entire posts or just start writing when the mood strikes, ignoring the rest of what someone else has taken the time to think and write? Here, let me simplify this for you. If A) characters' motivation relies upon the death of those characters' relatives and B) you thrust those characters into a setting in which their dead relatives reside, if you never go to point C) and have those characters face their dead relatives, then you have fucking failed. You have written in that setting (in this case the Underworld) in a pointless manner that does NOT support the drama or the plot AT ALL. You're lazy. The writer could have ratcheted up the drama, really tightened those emotional screws to actually make you FEEL for the characters, to relate to them. If you're going to start down the path towards that, you better damn well finish. Or at least fucking try. They didn't even bother here. Its like an ADD-stricken 10 year old was writing this moment and just wanted to get to the "splosions" as quick as possible. Very lame.
"8. I can’t really remember this scene, but I recall having a similar feeling so I’ll give you this one. Still, it hardly makes it a “HORRIBLE FUCKING MOVIE!”" Trust me, its another example of lazy writing leading nowhere. I'm glad you remember having a similar feeling about this though. If you apply this feeling to the other situations, you'll realize they're all examples of lazy writing in which things happen for no good reason (a good reason would be to enhance the theme or characterization). "9. Ummmmm….this is point 5 all over again. You’ve already lodged this complaint and I’ve already struck it down." Its still another example of how this movie is filled with characters who contradict and betray how they'd been set up in previous scenes (a common theme to my argument; arguments, you should know, are usually won when one can provide many examples in his favor, hence the repetition of similar examples, which only strengthens my thesis)."10. Because he NEEDED it! It’s either that or say “Aw, fuck it.” And go home!" Yes, Pegasus is NEEDED to get to Argos and the Kraken quickly (just about another example of Deus Ex Machina), but you know what is also needed? A CHANGE OF CHARACTER. That's what happens in EVERY drama (good or bad... well, usually good). The character changes. Recognizes his faults, accepts them, and moves on for the better. Here, had Perseus had that moment where he realizes that yes he is a man, but even men need help to achieve great things, then BAM, that would have been a GREAT cathartic moment! Instead, the main character is rewarded for no reason. He hasn't repented. He hasn't prayed for help. He's the only one left so he gets Pegasus? Funny that the "strong" hero will refuse help early on on moral grounds, but when he really needs it, its okay... (ahem, lazy writing). "10. Because he NEEDED it! It’s either that or say “Aw, fuck it.” And go home!" NO! NO! Again, you are acting like an idiot! Zeus NEEDED to tell the Gods to leave so he can SCREAM "Release the Kraken"? Where and when would that EVER make any fucking sense? Do you really think it works to have a character kick everyone out of the room, a setup which seems to suggest a private argument or debate is about to occur, only to have that character say and do the EXACT same thing we all KNEW he would? Why bother kicking everyone out? Just say it. Save some time.
"11. Aaaaaaand…. your point is? “What a shitty deal”? In what way?" "Are you stupid or something" How do you not realize that's a "shitty deal"? Girl is cursed with eternal life. She HATES living still. She dies. She is relieved of said curse. She is brought back from the heavenly afterlife and put back onto a cruel earth in the end. How could you NOT see that as a "shitty deal"? She had paradise and was ripped away from it to be given as a gift to Perseus? Its a betrayal of the character. It would make sense if she ever expressed any desire to keep living, but as it stands, she was happy to die. Anything else? Oh wait yes, you kept on insulting and acting like a grade A jerk, what else did you say.... Ohh right, you made the ASSUMPTION that the statues on Medusa's Island are dead people, right? How would you EVER come to that conclusion (other than to support your own inane conclusions?). First, I don't think one would die only to be turned to stone and essentially die again, mainly because such a situation would only come about by CHANCE, not punishment. Secondly, she lives on an Island that can only be reached by the ferryman Charon. So there is no way a "Dead" person could get there unless they paid Charon to take them, which is a stupid and self-defeating idea. You want to assume the statues are already dead people? Then make the crazy assumption they also asked to be taken to Medusa's Island. Sorry, it just doesn't work. Would you like to continue? Do you have point for point refutations that make sense? This it the game YOU chose to play. Let's keep it going.
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"how could the medusa's lair have been "anything"
by SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK Sep 1st, 2010
04:18:20 PM
I don't get your statement that it had no bearing on the plot. The witches told them they had to get her head to take down the Kraken. So there you go. That's the plot. Go to the medusa's lair and get the head, which is a climactic and very dangerous mission similar to attacking the Death Star, and obtaining her head has similar consequences for the heroes as the destruction of the Death Star." First, I think you are confusing the point of the mission (get Medusa's head) with the SETTING of the mission (a lava filled lair in the Underworld). There's a difference. What I mean, is that the Death Star in Star Wars was INTEGRAL to the plot. The Death Star was capable of destroying the good guys and the climax was centered around its destruction. What you've just done is draw a connection between the Death Star and Medusa's HEAD. Which works- the head is needed for the climax and its extremely dangerous. But the head is not the lair. The lair could have been a mountain top or a beach or a castle in the sky (as said above in my refutation to FETT). The lair could have been ANYTHING. It had no bearing on the plot and thus the setting did not MATTER. What makes the Underworld setting a very lazy choice is A) it makes it strange for there to be the statues of fallen warriors strewn about (which has always been a staple of Medusa tales), B) the story and characters do not benefit from it being in the Underworld as they are not confronted with anything that would potentially change them, ie, seeing their dead relatives, and C) the only benefit is to see a "cool" design for Charon and his barge (which is obvious as the scene where Zeus gives Perseus the coins to pay Charon just makes the writing appear worse and more contradictory: imagine if it did not exist). That's what I mean. Was I more clear? Just remember: Could that sequence have taken place anywhere else and still have achieved the same result? -
Just proves what an idiot you are. So, the reason why you've NEVER "suggested there are far better things to criticize it for" (something you say you've been doing all along) is because I keep repeating things? Are you a child? "I'm not DEFENDING the movie, I'm ATTACKING your stupidity! LEARN THE DIFFERENCE!" But you just said you WERE defending it! Are you serious? Did you already forget what you said in the past? Holy shit, you're a far sadder, dumber excuse for a thinking human than I had previously thought. You poor little boy. I can only assume at this point that you're trolling, which is sad considering we've been on the same side regarding other movies (Transformers, the Star Wars prequels), but here, you're just proving what all the critics in those debates said about you. Such a sad, depressed little person you must be.
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My second refutation to the second #10 (which was a mistake to begin with) quotes this" 10. Zeus and Hades have a private conversation. This is obviously the product of reshoots and re-edits, but I still can't get over the stupidity of such a scene. Hades comes before Zeus at the end to ask if he will stand by his word and destroy Argos. Zeus tells the rest of the Pantheon to "Leave us," as if Zeus and older brother Hades need privacy to discuss the matter." It should have been in reference to your quote of "Yes I’m sure a scene was trimmed out there, and rightfully so. But what difference does it make TO YOU if the Gods are in the room or not? Serious, big fucking deal!
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I hadn't seen the movie since opening day so I just watched the first 10 minutes again to make sure you were full of shit. YOU ARE!Perseus' father doesn't hate the Gods! He pulls up an empty net and gets pissed and accuses them of taking away their livlihood. But it's just a flash of anger. He says he "never understood the Gods", but is grateful for Perseus.They are NOT at Zues' statue to worship. AT LEAst there isn't even the slightest indication that's why they are sailing by it. This ecstatic state you claim Perseus' father is in? NOT IN THE MOVIE! He says teh craftsmanship of the statue is "magnificent", but that has nothing to do with Zues or his feelings about Zues.As for Hades attacking them, the soldiers had fled by the time he reconstituted and Perseus' ship was the only sign of people around. He saw them and destroyed them, the end. It makes perfect sense in the context of the film.What you have done here is had half-assed recolections of the events of the film and then colored them with your imagination in ways that don't make sense, then accuse the film of not making sense!I skipped ahead to the scene where Zues gives Perseus the gold coins. He doesn't change his mind, in fact his first inclination is to convince Perseus to join him on Mt. Olympus. Zues clearly admires Perseus' courage and persistance which is why he flips him a coin.Now here again I had no recollection that this was some sort of special God Money, but I wanted to be sure. NOW I'M SURE! There isn't the slightest hint that this is some sort of special coin. It's JUST A GOLD COIN! so ONCE AGAIN, your imagination has filled in something that is NOT PRESENT IN THE FILM! Nobody ever says anything about it being a special coin, they don't try and fail with a different gold coin, nothing. It's all horseshit.Now onto this notion that Medusa lives on an island.so The River Styx is now a MOAT!? NO, it's a RIVER! So MEDUSa does NOT, I repeat, NOT live on a fucking ISLAND! Yet again, you're just making shit up!Look, you just don't remember the movie very well or you weren't paying attention. Either way you are wrong, wrong, WRONG about most of your complaints.
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Now I remember my feeling of dissapointment in that scene and it's because that character was so cool I didn't want him to die! There;'s nothing really wrong with him blowing up and he does harm Medusa in doing so.As to your suggestion that every character in the LOTR myhtology is presented in the first 10 minutes of Fellowship, I think not. There are PLENTY of Dues Ex Machinas in that trilogy if that's what you want to call them. Does teh Balrog scaring off the hordes of goblins just before they kill the heroes constitute one? I don't recall him being mentioned in the prologue. How about the giant eagles that seem to swoop down at the last second and save people? How about the walking tree that squishes the orc just before it kills the hobbits? How about Aragorn just happening to run across Eomer who just happens to not only have seen the two Hobbits, but actually knows where their trail can be picked up? What about all those magic gifts from the elves that just happen to be exactly what they need at specific times? How about the orcs being so blind they can't tell one of their own from a fricken' hobbit right in front of them? How about Aragorn just clearing the way for Sam and Frodo to the mountain at the right time while thinking they are dead? I mean, it goes on and on and on....but that's ok right? Because it's LOTR that's somehow different?
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You are WRONG AS USUAL about the Pegasus scene! Calibos stabs Io and Perseus starts fighting him. Calibos breaks Perseus' sword. Perseus sees the sword of the Gods, grabs it and kills Calibos. THEN he gets on Pegasus. Man you just can't get anything fucking right!And yeah, it's a real shitty deal Io gets when she gets to be with the guy she's crushing on. She looks pretty fuckin;' happy to be there!Man, just give up on watching movies because you fucking SUCK AT IT!
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Sep 02, 2010 3:08:17 AM CDT
All I'm saying is, if you're going to complain about a film..
by return_of_fett
Complain about stuff that's ACTUALLY IN IT! Perseus' dad doesn't hate the Gods. His mother loves them in fact.They aren't worshipping at the statue.They ARE collateral damage, which is what D.Vader said he wanted.Yes the wizards appear out of nowhere in the nick of time, just like lots of characters in lots of films (hello Han Solo a the DEATH STAR!?)Perseus DOES use thye scorpion sheild and in fact it IS the sheild he sees Medusa's reflection in.A special "God Coin" is not needed to get to Medusa.Perseus DOESN'T have an out-of-the-blue conversion about using the tools the Gods have given him, he HAD to because his sword was BROKEN and he had to get back to Argos. No scene of introspection needed. Would have been pretty ridiculous for him to have some sort of soap oprah scene when he knows Argos is about to be destroyed!It's also a particualarly retarded idea that Perseus' parents should be wandering around Medusa's lair so they can hug and cry it out! I mean MY GOD what a profoundly stupid idea!Io does NOT get a raaw deal by getting to be with this guy which it has been established she has feelings for in the hull of Charron's boat.For FUCK'S SAKE! Bash it for Perseus' accent, or the fact that Hades spends the first scene hissing then myseriouisly stops for the rest of the film. Bash it for the fact that Medusa looks like a crappy video game graphic a la Mummy Returns' Scorpion King. Bash it for things that actually HAPPEN IN THE MOVIE!
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... Of a fat redneck who has overheard someone say "NASCAR sucks," and then proceeds to pitch a temper tantrum about it. Its not personal. Its a wonder and a mystery why you took it so. Once again, I can post point by point refutations after work. In another 14-15 hours.
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That you have NO idea of what a Deus Ex Machina actually is. Why don't you try looking up the definition before you start citing "examples" from LOTR, because your list is pretty laughable.
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"Her lair COULD have been anywhere." EXACTLY. It had NO bearing on the plot. The witches could have told him it was in China- it wouldn't have mattered. That's my point. The decision was arbitrary, made to show off a cool design for Charon, nothing more.
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Of the term "collateral damage" because its clear you don't really understand what that means either.
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But not a SINGLE person has agreed with you. Take that for what its worth.
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Thanks by the way for engaging in this debate in a thoughtful manner without taking it personally or resorting to personal attacks. I appreciate it!
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He probably thinks this was a good script, something he'd like to have written. No wonder he took it so personally!
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not that i want to defend the movie,i agree that its general story is bad and completely butchered by the studio.BUT as ROTF correctly says,criticize the movie for the PROPER and JUSTIFIED reasons inside the movie and not for reasons that you οverly nitpick or come up with from nothingness,because you want to support your illusion that you are better and smarter that the creators of the movie.
Because lets face it the real and main reason that all these people like movie bloggers,and talkbackers,tweeters and fanboyish owners of movie sites etc,trash or praise movies in the most exaggerating way,regardless of how bad or good these movies actually are,has nothing to do in with the movies themselves but rather with these people themselves.
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Hope you're not too sick. Get better soon. I'm curious, do you really think the proper things to criticize are elements like Medusa looking like a video game character? I'm criticizing the writing and internal story logic/consistency, things usually considered a proper and justifiable topic to breach when discussing the quality of a movie.
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I haven't create any examples out of "nothingness" to support my stance, despite what Fett thinks.
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I suggest you not talk anymore about Clash of the Titans until you ACTUALLY WATCH THE MOVIE!
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I was making fun of YOUR definition of one.
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What the fuck HAPPENED in the fucking MOVIE! Perseus and his family were in the WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME! THAT'S why they were killed! No they weren't killed by the falling statue but they might as well have been because they weren't killed as a result of something they did. It could have been ANYONE on that boat, it just so happened to be them.
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I'm merely pointing out how nexplicably unobservant and ignorant you are. How does that somehow mean I love this movie? How do you arrive at that conclusion? That's like saying you saying Rosanna Barr is skinny, me saying "I'm looking at a picture of her and she's fat as fuck", you replying "WHy are you taking it so personally? Are you fucking Rosanne Barr?"See how UNFATHOMABLY retarded you are being? You said a bunch of horseshit that's not true (it could be about fucking BATTLEFIELD EARTH fior all I care), I CORRECT your blithering idiocy and all you have to say is "You must think it's really good then". NO DIPFUCK, I just know what you've said ISN'T FUCKING TRUE!Don't take my word for it you fucking brain hemmorage, watch the fucking movie!
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youre not right and we all know it..hows your JAWS remake coming along d-bag? is Christian "king of all batmans" bale gonna be in it?
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is the classic example of cookie cutter lazy scriptwriting and studio meddling 101. streamline the shit outta it to hit all the bases so everyone and all can "enjoy" it and "relate" to it. and when all else fails, do a cheap-o quick 3D conversionits not smart, its lazy. and YOU FETT are the only one whom ive heard whos enjoyed it.
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It suggests you are When did I ever say anything about "God coins"? When did I ever say you love the movie? When did I ever say Perseus and his family WEREN'T in the wrong place at the wrong time?"See how UNFATHOMABLY retarded you are being? You said a bunch of horseshit that's not true."
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of "You'll Fear the Choppah!"[DFTR riff playing hauntingly in the background with mega-cowbell]Talkback times have come
Here but now they're gone
Users all fear the Choppah! So do Harry, Massy and Capone...
They can't be like He is...
All you babies...you'll fear the Choppah!
You know he'll never be banned... you'll fear the Choppah!
The Choppah never will die... you'll fear the Choppah!
Babies he's a MAN...
Ain't It Cool is done
Here but now it's gone
Moriarty and Mr. Vern
Left together for a better job...
Moriarty and Mr. Vern
40,000 fewer hits everyday
...Like Moriarty and Mr. Vern
40,000 fewer hits everyday...
See these crappy articles...
Another 40,000 leaving everyday...
We can't be like He is!
All you babies...you'll fear the Choppah!
Better give him a hand...you'll fear the Choppah!
The Choppah never will die... you'll fear the Choppah!
Babies, he's a MAN
SCOTTPILGRIMFAN's done
Here but now he's gone
Came the last night of talkback
And it was clear that you couldn't go on
When the site was open and His Name appeared
The shitty ads shimmered then disappeared
The talkbackers shivered when HE appeared...
saying "YOU'RE ALL AFRAID!"
All you babies...and you quaked in fear!
You all ran from him...
and you don't know why!
You shit your britches and cry and cry!
You can't become like CHOP is!
You've been pwned by mighty hands...
You can't become like CHOP is!
You're all babies..who fear THE_CHOPPAH!!!
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If you were making fun of me for my definition, well, then you have still failed at disproving my assertion. Either way, it looks like you have no clue what one is.
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Please forgive them, Choppah, for they know not what they do.
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I stand in awe.
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I admit that, and in earlier debates about this, I was unsure if the scorpion shield was used or not. I have a memory of him dropping it and using another one. I thought it funny that it was presented as having nigh-invulnerable hide only to have him drop it later. If he did use the shield, I take back my criticism. But now I create a new one- the inside of the scorpion hide is reflective? More so than metal? That's just a bizarre (and poor in my opinion) choice to make.
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he used it to reflect Medusa's image.he didnt drop it.as ROFF said,re-watch the movie,they are a lot of things that you have taken wrong.ps.why,were these real scorpions? because last time i checked real scorpions dont come out from blood and turn into giant ones.ps2.someone else above mentioned something about Sam's shaved head.its not an anachronism (which is pointless nevertheless in a pure fantasy movie).Head shaving was being practiced in ancient Greece,specifically:wiki:"The earliest historical records describing head shaving originated in ancient Mediterranean cultures, such as Egypt, Greece and Rome. The Egyptian priest class ritualistically removed all body hair by plucking. This included hair on the head, eyebrows and beard. In ancient Greece, long hair was a symbol of wealth and power, while a shaven head was appropriate for a slave."
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You're going to make me watch this damn movie just for the sake of this debate. And Killik, I may be wrong on the scorpion shield, but I'm very sure I'm not wrong with anything else. Unless you have an example?
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Remember watching something about it on History Channel. reason they did it was greek men were fond of boys. So to make themselves more desirable, the women cut their locks to that of a boy.
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just have to chime in that from now on rather than using p.p.s when I have a further post-script I shall now use the term 'ps2' as it warms the cockels of my jaded gamer heart.
Overall, a fascinating debate on a movie I've never cared to watch for I knew I would prefer the original. So I cannot add my own opinion but I must congratulate D. Vader's initial points in this TB as it has definitely made me more interested in the upcoming Rifftrax rendition. Sounds like a riot. -
that there is a contradiction between Sam's parents complaining about the Gods,and the next day they go happily to pay tribute to them.well you already gave the reason by yourself why you are wrong.you see,you used the word: COMPLAIN. complaining does not equate hating,does not equate rejection.when you complain about something you dont automatically reject it.instead you criticize it,you express your discomfort about it,you might even disapprove of it,but you dont necessarily reject,abandon or dismiss it.clear proof of the above? the talkbackers of this site.they keep bitching about how bad this place is,but guess what: they keep fucking returning back to this fucking site.the sequence you described not only is not contradictory,but it absolutely makes sense.Sam's parents are old people,people who have lived all their life worshiping their gods and thanking them for supplying them with the necessary goods to live.for them that was the way of their life,how things worked.But now that the situation changed,now that the gods became too arrogant,indifferent and hostile against the humans,the strong belief and world-view of Sam's old father has started to tremble but not lost.He acknowledges the true,merciless face of the Gods who always worshiped,he gets angry and complains about the way the Gods treats him,his family and the rest of the humans,and he knows that the thing must and will change at some point.and thats the thing:he understands that he CANT change the world because he cant even change himself.he himself says in the movie: "SOMEONE,SOMEDAY WILL COME..." you see there? the father knows the truth about the gods,but he is too old and a part of the old order which is now changing or at least trying to change.so Sam's father and his mother,although they are dissatisfied with their Gods because their belief and gratitude to them does not pay off anymore,they cant do anything else about this,than what they were already doing to their whole life: to pay tribute to their gods.thats how the whole sequence plays out,thats the point of it.Sam's family represents the old generation,the old order,Sam represents the new generation,the change or at least the start of the change,the revolution.Sam's family death is the succession from the old generation to the new generation,the cancellation of old,obsolete ideals and ideas and the birth of new,progressive ones.in reality this sequence is an example of classic story-telling.the movie might not be good,but at least this sequence is done correctly.thats all from me.
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