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CARNIVALE’s Lodz As Picard?? LOGAN’s Jessica As Crusher?? That BLADE Guy As LaForge??

Published at: Aug. 26, 2010, 10:49 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!! Letters of Note on Wednesday posted a memo dated April 13, 1987, discussing actors who were apparently being brought in to read for various roles in “Star Trek: The Next Generation,” which premiered Sept. 26 of that year. The candidates: PICARD: Yaphet Kotto (eight years after “Alien”; six years before “Homicide”) Roy Thinnes (20 years after “The Invaders”; four years before NBC’s “Dark Shadows” update) Patrick Bauchau (two years after “A View to a Kill”; 16 years before he'd finally work with Ronald D. Moore on “Carnivale”) Mitch Ryan (the same year he played General McAllister in “Lethal Weapon”; he went on to play Riker’s pop) Patrick Stewart (three years after “Dune”; 13 years before “X-Men”) "RYKER": Ben Murphy (11 years after “Gemini Man”; one year before “Dirty Dozen: The Series”) Michael O’Gorman (the same year he made his small-screen debut in “Miami Vice” and his big-screen debut in the great “Ironweed”; his last credit on IMDb is 1991’s “A Woman Named Jackie”) Gregg Marx (“As The World Turns”) Jonathan Frakes (two years after his 11 episodes on “Falcon Crest”; note that Billy Campbell is not on this list) DATA: Mark Lindsay Chapman (three years before he became Anton Arcane on “Swamp Thing”) Kelvin Han Yee (21 years before “Crash: The Series”) Eric Menyuk (the tall fellow who played Wesley’s pal The Traveler in three TNG episodes) Kevin Peter Hall (one year after “The Misfits of Science” ended; four years before the 7’2” Hall played Harry on the TV version of “Harry and the Hendersons”; I’m reminded that Ruk the android, who battled James Kirk, was super-tall also) YAR: Lianne Langland (the same year she played Hilda in “The Squeeze” opposite Michael Keaton) Julia Nickson (two years after “Rambo”; seven years before she joined “Babylon 5” for three episodes) Rosalind Chao (three years after she played Klinger’s wife on “AfterMASH”; four years before she was cast as Miles O’Brien’s wife) Bunty Bailey (the same year she appeared in Empire Pictures’ “Dolls”) Leah Ayers (Likely Leah Ayres, who had just come off five episodes as Mona Polito on "St. Elsewhere" and went on to replace Maureen McCormick as Marcia for the 1990 sequel drama series "The Bradys") CRUSHER: Jenny Agutter (11 years after “Logan’s Run”; six years after “An American Werewolf in London”) Anne Twomey (one year after “The Imagemaker”; six years before she did five episodes as Linda Salerno on “L.A. Law”; she also played Rita Kearson in the “Seinfeld” episodes “The Virgin” and "The Pilot") Cheryl McFadden (Gates McFadden was credited as “Cheryl McFadden” in 1984’s “The Muppets Take Manhattan” and a 1987 episode of “The Cosby Show”) LAFORGE: Kevin Peter Hall (also up for Data) Reggie Jackson (the year before “The Naked Gun”??) Tim Russ (the same year he played a trooper in “Spaceballs”; eight years before Tuvok and “Star Trek Voyager”) Wesley Snipes (one year after “Wildcats”; two years before “Major League”) Victor Love (Bigger Thomas in 1986’s “Native Son”; he went on to play a telepath in two 1998 episodes of “Babylon 5”) Chip McCallister (this likely refers to Chip McAllister, who played young Muhammad Ali in 1977’s “The Greatest”) Clarence Gilyard Jr. (four years after his 20 episodes on “CHiPs”; two years before his 82 episodes of “Matlock”) LeVar Burton (10 years after “Roots”; 14 years before MLK in “Ali”; somebody seemed determined to put a blind black man on the Enterprise bridge!) TROI: Denise Crosby (five years after “48 HRS.”; two years before “Pet Sematary”) WESLEY: J.D. Roth (three years after “Firstborn”; Roth today is executive producer of NBC’s “The Biggest Loser”) Note that no one seems to be reading for Worf yet. Find the memo here.
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  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:01 a.m. CST

    The right calls

    by Madbomber

    Call it the bias of seven years of solid performances and writing, but the producers probably made the right choices with the casting. Patrick Bachau has always been more creepy and menacing in his roles, and I love Yaphet Kotto, but not as Picard. Mitchell Ryan, otoh, would have been an intriguing choice.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Wesley Snipes as LaForge

    by KnightEternal

    hmmmmmmm.....nope.....dont see it

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Rosalind Chao as Tasha? That would have been weird

    by JT Kirk

    she's a pretty soft-spoken actress, even when she's playing big explosive emotions she has a softness to her. Tasha was from the rape planet (all the Trek planets in the '80s were like that, Tasha was from the rape planet, Troi was from the planet where telepaths that screw non-telepaths make empathic babies, Data was from the android planet [well, it was the android planet after the crystalline entity got through with it], Riker was from American Hoth, Guinan was from the planet of the long-winded aliens, Worf was from the "Klingons are self-superior jerks" planet, Picard was from the planet where France was taken over by the British), I just can't picture Tasha Yar being portrayed in that way.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:22 a.m. CST

    PS - you misspelled "LeVar" - n/t

    by JT Kirk

    D'oh!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Just had to think back on Yaphet Kotto as Picard

    by JT Kirk

    1) would he still be French?<br> 2) would he still have had a relationship with Beverly?<br> 3) would he have chewed the scenery and hollered until the fucking sets fell apart???

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:27 a.m. CST

    JD Roth

    by Toe Jam

    Is probably best remembered by people my age (late 20s/early 30s) as the host of the game show "Fun House" and as the boyfriend of hottest girl ever Nicole Eggert's boyfriend on "Charles in Charge."

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    its Bauchau

    by BandysTract

    and Lodz. please respect the memory of Carnivale.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Riker you fools!

    by boogertwilliams

    How come no one noticed that Cmdr. Riker has been misspelled? It should be Riker, not Ryker! For shame!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Leah Ayers

    by A_Banned_Apart

    Not sure who that is, but FWIW there's a Leah *Ayres* who was a soap opera actress and played Marcia Brady on "The Bradys" back in the early 90's. Possible typo on the original memo, maybe?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:56 a.m. CST

    More Ayres

    by A_Banned_Apart

    She was in Bloodsport, too.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:27 a.m. CST

    TNG cast was perfect

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Not saying all the characters were, I think we all know the Trek universe would have been better without Wesley Crusher!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Worf isn't here because he was a secondary

    by JT Kirk

    Worf was just supposed to be a secondary character, a background guy at times, to show how the Federation had evolved to include former enemies. It was obvious early on tho that they enjoyed writing for that kind of outsider character and started building him up into something more early in the 1st season. But until Tasha died and left the tactical position open, Worf hadn't really come into his own. Geordi was barely a step above that.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:50 a.m. CST

    J.D. Roth!

    by Doctor_Strangepork

    Each week JD could put the Enterprise crew through all three rounds of The Fun House! <br> <br> Picard and Data in The Zapeteria! <br> <br>Tasha Yar in Balloon Lagoon! <br> <br> Okay, I'm the only person who remembers kid's game show Fun House.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Marina Sirtis also read for Yar. And Yar was originally

    by V'Shael

    called "Macha Hernandez", and was inspired by the Jenette Goldstein's portrayal of Vasquez in Aliens.<br /><p><br />Now, remind me again of why we're reading articles of ancient (incomplete) Trek casting trivia?<br />

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4:01 a.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Because its COOL ...... Thinking about the What Ifs? and the dodged bullets. I happen to think they got about 90% of TNG casting spot, which was evident in the chemistry the characters shared onscreen.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Gates McFadden...

    by Wungolioth

    Was also credited as Cheryl McFadden as a Choreographer on Labyrinth, I had a big thing for her, especially after her performance on the episode The Naked Now.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Worf isn't here because he is a damn Klingon monger

    by _Venkman

    arf

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST

    It wasn't "Lotz"

    by Virtual Satyr

    It was Lodz.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Had no idea Levar Burton

    by Bass Ackwards

    Played MLK in Ali, now I'm gonna have to give that film another look and try to spot him.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:42 a.m. CST

    too lazy

    by Loosejerk

    I'm too lazy to look up. What was the reality game show that Roth produced and he'd pop up on a screen to the contestants that were locked in a room with each other?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I have always been in love with Jenny Agutter

    by ATARI

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Zack as Picard? WTF?

    by DarkHawke

    If you haven't checked out a GREAT Alan Rudolph flick called "Choose Me," do yourself a favor and queue it up. That's where I first saw the great Patrick Beauchau as one of the many starcrossed lovers in that particular effort. The line that still kills me to this day: "I'd rather hear the gun go off than listen to this shit!" It would have been cool to have an actual Frenchman in the role of Picard, but given what a weak-ass role it became, I'd have even spared Stewart that indignity.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Jenny Agutter as Crusher

    by davida4348

    If that had happened, I would still be watching this show on endless repeat. I'll watch Walkabout any time, any place - as long as I'm wearing my special perv raincoat.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:11 a.m. CST

    gay

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Apparently Fareal is an idiot because he doesn't know that Sir Patrick Stewart OBE is not gay.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Bauchau is awesome

    by The McPoyle Clan

    But Stewart turned out alright, didn't he.<br><br>I would have thrown McFadden down a turboshaft for Agutter.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Ben Murphy

    by cushing1967

    Would have had to have been better than Jonathan Frakes - one of the blandest actors I have ever watched.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Gilyard

    by snowman12964

    For me, most remembered as the computer hacker in the first Die Hard. I can definitely see him as LaForge.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Too bad Kevin Peter Hall didn't get in there somewhere.

    by JediRob

    He had some great presence, and was a solid actor.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Mitch Ryan was hysterical on Dharma and Greg.

    by cookylamoo

    Always underplayed but always funny.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:19 a.m. CST

    I'd have kept McFadden

    by zer0cool2k2

    and cast Jenny Agutter as Deanna Troi.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Yaphet Kotto would have been awesome!

    by blackmantis

    And you know it.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Mr. Williams

    by MikeTheSpike

    This is why "Ryker" is in quotation marks.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Ben Murphy better than FRAKES?!

    by Dr. Butthole

    Have you SEEN "Riding with Death" on MST3k??? He's AWFUL. Frakes is a good actor, Murphy? Not so much, unless he's turning invisible and driving a big rig.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Michael O'Gorman???

    by jtp8000

    I can't even place this guy to think he would be atypical for Riker. And if you think Frakes was bland Gregg Marx and Ben Murphy would have been blander.</p? Funny how Brent Spiner and Marina Siritis aren't even on this list. I know she originally read for Tasha but then they changed the characters around a bit which is why Denise Crosby is listed as Troi

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I'll tell you how race figured in...

    by Hipshot

    I remember walking into the offices, hearing about how LaForge was black, and wondering how they would arrange things to neuter him sexually. And wow! There it was right in the character notes, that because of his vision, human beings didn't attract him. Wow. They never heard of taste, touch, or smell, did they. It was disgusting.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I'll tell you how race figured in...

    by Hipshot

    I remember walking into the offices, hearing about how LaForge was black, and wondering how they would arrange things to neuter him sexually. And wow! There it was right in the character notes, that because of his vision, human beings didn't attract him. Wow. They never heard of taste, touch, or smell, did they. It was disgusting.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Jenny Agutter: The Next Ejaculation

    by Karl Hungus

    Agutter as Crusher would have resulted in massive amounts of phased sperm pulses from my Ten Forward. Maximum wood...Engorge!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Worf

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Worf was always a poorly developed afterthought. DS( did a better job developing the character, but still, he was the weakest of the main characters on TNG.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:16 a.m. CST

    This list is a little suspect

    by RunnerX13

    Edward James Olmos was offered and turned down the role of Picard, but he’s not on the list.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Wesley Crusher

    by lock67ca

    It wouldn't matter who they cast. That character just fucking sucked. Wil Wheaton isn't necessarily a bad actor, or a bad person, but that role pretty much destroyed his career. I've always kind of felt sorry for him.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Yeah Yapphet would have made a great Picard

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Although I can't imagine anyone other than Patrick Stewart in the role, Yapphet would have been a badass captain. "I'm not doing any more work until I'm guaranteed a full share! Suck it, Starfleet!"

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Ahhh.....Jenny Agutter

    by tritium

    She still looks great at her age. I remeber how hot she was in "Logan's Run", and then, somehow, she became even hotter in "An American Werewolf in London".

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Yaphet Kotto...

    by aetc

    ...is the man! he is not acting enough in my book.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Worf

    by Wolverine's Dad

    So was Worf a late addition then? I've always wondered why in the first season they had more people than stations. It seemed like Worf's job was to stand around and wait for someone to go do something interesting so he could take their seat.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    "Lodz" and "Riker".

    by Johnny Smith

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:27 a.m. CST

    @Wolverine's Dad

    by RunnerX13

    I think Worf was just meant to be a minor character (like O'Brien), who got promoted both as an actor and character after Denise Crosby left the show.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Worf

    by lock67ca

    He was never a minor character like O'Brien. Dorn was always a regular cast member, who did have his role expanded once Crosby left. I do think he was a last minute character though. Probably because somebody thought it would be a great idea to have a Klingon in Starfleet.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I always really liked McFadden....

    by photoboy

    ... but Agutter would have really taken it to the next level. Only question is, would she have committed to 7 seasons of TV? And even if she had, would she have made it through season 1 with Maurice Hurley grabbing her tits at every opportunity?<br><br> Overall, TNG's casting turned out pretty much perfect. Sure Wesley was a bit annoying, but he was hardly front and centre every week, even during season 1.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    I must kill . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . the Queen . . .

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    You forgot one

    by DannyB

    Ron Pearlman was also in their top choices for Riker

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Kevin Peter Hall?

    by Bouncy X

    jesus, they would have to build bigger sets just for him. and imagine all those buddy scenes with Geordi, Levar seems to be sorta short so i can only imagine what he woulda looked like next to Peter. lol and with Peter's death in the early 90s, i wonder how that would have affected the show, especially for a major role like Data. he would have been a badass klingon though, whether or not he was Worf.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I fucking hated Wesley Crusher

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    What a douchebag character. I always hated children being on the Enterprise period. It was a fucking military battle cruiser/exploration vessel, what the fuck were children doing on there?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    The Worf factor

    by Bloodstained

    The story goes, if remember correctly what I read when I was a kid in the pages of Starlog magazine, Worf was a last minute addition to the cast just days before they started filming the two hour first episode. Roddenberry was visiting the set of Star Trek IV during the Klingon Ambassador scene and suddenly had the idea for the character. They rushed through with the casting in like a day and decided on Dorn and awackwardly crammed him into most of the first season scripts. Worf had no character bible like the others, so he was pretty much formed by writers as they went along, which probably explains why he ended up with the richest and most complex by Star Trek standards personality and back story.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Edward James Olmos

    by REDD

    was offered the role of Picard? He was still on Miami Vice at the time, unless he could have gotten out of his contract (maybe it was year to year?)

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    picard hated children...

    by emeraldboy

    he had guilt thing over the death of his son.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Not having Gates as Crusher would have been criminal!

    by DarthJedi

    Still have the hots for this lady today. She's showing her age, but even at 61, still a GILF.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    They almost gave Data to that bastard that shot John Lennon!

    by AzulTool

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I'd still bone Marina Sirtis

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Even at 55 she is still one hot momma. Gates McFadden looks a little too saggy these days. I wouldn't say no to her, but my dick aches for some Marina action.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by smackfu

    Your 'white tv executives seek to neuter the black man' premise has one major flaw...Worf, the big strong black man, was so sexually aggressive that he occasionally bit women's faces lol. So...yeah...just a thought to help illuminate that a lot of the racism you perceive is inside your own head. I mean, if it was all in your head on that occasion, how much more of it is all in your head? A lot more than you think, at the very least.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Kotto would have been a shitty Picard

    by smackfu

    Andre Braugher would have been kick ass though.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Best Worf episode on NG

    by cookylamoo

    Was the one where he devolved into a giant armadillo.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    RYKER v RIKER

    by Cartagia

    The name was originally spelled "Ryker", thus why it is referred to in this way in the article. At the time the change had probably not been made yet.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    um, Wheaton's doing just fine

    by oisin5199

    just saw him on Leverage and Eureka. Really, Fareal, your rampant homophobia is getting old. Need to talk to someone?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Smackfu

    by Hipshot

    You haven't proven your point. My thought isn't about "white executives" specifically, it is about all human beings wishing to promote "theirs" and create a competitive advantage against "the other." This is all unconscious, and just HAPPENS to be about white people in this instance. You think that it is a coincidence that both the black men have heavily obscured faces, heavy makeup. Fine. You think women want their faces bit? You think that that is attractive? Really? Is there anything about biting a woman's face that a young man should know to successfully navigate the mating game? Must know some very interesting women. The point is that in some of these shows you have nice normal white folks having normal relationships (as well as SOME whites in makeup who are "other")--but the blacks are ALL "other". And I 100% promise you that if blacks had done these shows, the reverse would be more true--it would be blacks who are cast as attractive, commanding and sexual. And whites as alien "others." You haven't been paying attention--my guess is that you are white, and have never had to notice this stuff. If you think I'm hallucinating, find me the movie that earned over 100 million domestic that had a black man in so much as a PG-13 level love scene. They don't exist. This isn't my imagination--it's statistics. And it isn't "Hollywood executives"--it's the market place. Note that I'm not suggesting there is something special about whites--either especially good or bad. I'm saying it's the way people--especially males--think, and that in America that means a gigantic numerical and power advantage for whites, which allows them to indulge the same fantasies everyone else in the world has--that they are the most attractive, smartest, best, etc. It's a great fantasy, isn't it?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Agutter would have been a HOT Crusher

    by ShabbyBlue

    For some reason McFadden never had sex appeal to me. Most of the other female characters did... Troi, Yar, etc. Just not her. Captain Janeway similarly does nothing for me.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Braugher vs Kotto as Picard

    by Screwbini

    Sounds like a win-win situation to me, although I think Patrick Stewart was fine in the role. But if a Black actor had played Picard, would Avery Brooks have been cast as Sisko on DSN? Frankly, as much as I enjoyed Brooks as "Hawk", he came off as rather stiff as Sisko. In fact, I think either Braugher or Kotto would have been better in the role of Sisko. Sigh......we'll never know!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Brooks was great as Sisco.

    by cookylamoo

    Besides, he's the only captain who punched Q in the mouth.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Billy Campbell would have been a fabulous Ryker

    by SmokingRobot

    We wouldn't have needed to reboot the franchise if he had been in NG. Saw him on 'Eureka' the other day, he still looks great.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, what about Sisko?

    by DreadPirateRoberts

    I mean, does not really fit your premise, does he? Strong character, no 'makeup obscurement', one of the more liked Captains. And LaForge had a recurring relationship with a white character. So I do think this one is in your head. Of course, you won't think so...

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Kotto's most underrated role....

    by mjgtexas

    Not being able to catch a cab on TV Nation.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4:53 p.m. CST

    West...you bastard...

    by BarryConvex

    I'd like to mention that Herbert West himself, Jeffrey Combs, auditioned for the part of Riker. I'm curious to how that would've turned out.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Dread--

    by Hipshot

    Sure, Sisko fits the premise. Are you aware that DS9 was the first hour-long dramatic series with a non-white lead to be successful (lasting more than two seasons) IN TELEVISION HISTORY? What you're saying is analogous to someone playing with loaded dice. Ordinarily every number will come up 1/6th of the time. Instead, say, a "6" comes up only 1/100th of the time. If you point to a six, it doesn't disprove that the dice are loaded, Dude. ## I actually talked to Avery Brooks. Know why you don't see him acting any more? He got blackballed. Why? Because at the end of DS9 they wanted to turn him into a Spiritual Guide--a "Magical Negro" by having him go through the wormhole and become a God. He refused, because he was one of the only black fathers on television, and it would have meant abandoning his son--he felt that would be a very bad role model. They threatened him, he held the line, and you've seen the result. ## What you guys don't realize is that I've actually talked to many of the black actors in these positions, including folks like Sam Jackson, Wesley Snipes, Blair Underwood, and more. And the story is the same: they want to be sexual in these roles, and the white producers do all they can to kill it. They fact that it happens occassionally doesn't change the fact that it happens LESS often, per capita, than it does with white actors. Note that black (or Asian--male Asians have the same problem, or worse) ACTRESSES do fine in this regard--they can have sex in movies as long as it's with white guys. And yeah, I've talked to them too. They're just doing what they need to do to survive in the industry. Again, this is nothing against white folks--we'd fuck you guys over just as badly if the positions were reversed. But pointing out anecdotal examples has nothing to do with statistical results.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    "Magical Negro"

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh at that. I'm going straight to hell.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Wheaton is gay?

    by Crooooooow

    Somebody better tell his wife and kids!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    don't worry

    by oisin5199

    the fact of Wheaton's family won't sway Fareal. He just 'knows'!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    But black heroes are allowed to sleep with Asian women

    by cookylamoo

    That's something anyway.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Correct me if I'm wrong but...

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Am I right in thinking Will Smith has never kissed a white woman on screen in a romantic on the lips way? If that's the case with one of the biggest black stars of all time, then Hollywood really hasn't progressed since the 60s.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Roy Thinnes as Picard!

    by loonatic

    Julia Nickson was also in 1 ep of TNG.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Jenny Agutter as Crusher would've been fantastic!!!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Damn, someone should be shot for that mistake!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Cheryl Gates McFadden

    by Shifter1977

    Note, she was also the "choreographer" for Labyrinth. I don't recall, but she may have also worked on Dark Crystal. Also also, took a season off (2nd) in order to play Jack Ryan's wife in The Hunt For Red October (though, seeing the movie ... I wonder how she needed an entire season to play that part?)

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Geordi LaForge

    by cookylamoo

    Should have been able to shoot beams out of his glasses. Otherwise he was a pretty lame character.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Will Smith, etc

    by Hipshot

    It isn't just about white women. Black actors can't have sex with ANYONE if they want their movies to crack 100 mil. There are lots of 100+ films with love scenes (Titanic and Avatar come instantly to mind) but Will, Denzel, or anyone else has to eschew sex, or their films don't please the general audience. It's statistically demonstrable. I just blame it on human tribalism. Sucks to be on the losing end of that one, though.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Levar Burton: "Oh he's probably too busy doing Reading Rainbow"

    by tangcameo

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Denise Crosby in Troi's grey and the dildo hair bun?

    by tangcameo

    *shudder*

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:50 p.m. CST

    ...grey jumpsuit...

    by tangcameo

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by RPLocke

    WTF are you talking about? Are you saying if someone doesn't have sex in a movie it flops? WTF?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Agutter as Crusher

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Big missed opportunity there, wow.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Lady Chatterly's Lovers

    by Crooooooow

    had any influence on the Crusher decision?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Planty McPlant...

    by snitchseeker

    Charlize Theron in Hancock. Er, spoiler, but who cares?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9 p.m. CST

    "fire at Will"

    by jameskpolk

    was always my favorite line. I always hoped that little twerp would take a phaser blast between the eyes.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Wheaton

    by jameskpolk

    also appears occasionally as "Will Wheaton" on CBS's "Big Bang Theory". plays a character based on everyone douchebag-y opinion of him. Or he really is a douchebag playing himself. Works either way.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Didn't Will Smith kiss Charlize Theron on Hancock?

    by MattmanReturns

    But even if he hadn't, plenty of other black actors have. Are you suggesting Hollywood should strive to make Smith kiss a white woman, just to prove how not racist they are?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:35 p.m. CST

    *in Hancock

    by MattmanReturns

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Wheaton is also in "The Guild"

    by Cartagia

    And what a great douchebag he is there.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:37 p.m. CST

    WHY WOULD YOU NOT GIVE CREDIT ???

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    TO LETTERSOFNOTE.COM, THE ORIGINAL PUBLISHER OF THIS STORY ?????

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    EVEN THE DAILY WHAT

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    CITED THEM AS THE SOURCE

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    @hipshot

    by SpacePhil

    One question, then: aren't interracial relationships controversial in black culture?could've sworn I've heard about issues with that before...

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Jonathan Frakes was perfect for the role!

    by wtriker1701

    They thought, he would be a good lookalike Bill Shatner. <p> And see what happens nowerdays. They could be twins! If Shatner wouldn't be able to get a cameo in the next Star Trek movie, perhaps Frakes can jump in as Kirk! <p> Just kidding, don't phaser me!

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Gates McFadden was very sexy in the first year!

    by wtriker1701

    But Jenny Agutter really plays in another league....

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Marina Sirtis became sexier from year to year!

    by wtriker1701

    The first year she just was a whiner... but as the years went by... wet dreams, my friends, wet dreams, Imzadi!

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I thought Yar was originally...

    by Chief Joseph

    ...named Macha Hernandez and was renamed when Crosby was cast?

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 1:45 a.m. CST

    "And the sky's the limit!"

    by wtriker1701

    Best Series Finale EVER!!! <p> 2nd Angel <p> 3rd Buffy

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 4:20 a.m. CST

    @Hipshot - I was at a con once, with Patricia Tallman (she was

    by V'Shael

    a stunt woman on the movie The Long Kiss Goodnight) and she told us that the original script for the movie had a love interest between Samuel Jackson and Geena Davis, but the studio nixed it.<br /><br />I'm not saying I agree with your points, but virtually the only relevant anecdote I have (which I got straight from someone on the set) does support it.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Genevieve Bujold as Janeway

    by wtriker1701

    Saw the casting shots with her... that didn't work. Glad they found Kate Mulgrew. Though she warmed up with her role starting with season 3. That's how I see it.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Kate Mulgrew only came alive when

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Jeri Ryan joined. Up till then I guess she didn't feel threatened that she was being outshone by another actress, and her performances were by and large phoned in. But when Ryan joined the party, Mulgrew just cranked it up a few notched overnight. Ahhh female jealousy, you gotta love it...

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Snipes as LaForge ... Perfect

    by Itchy

    Every episode would have ended with LaForge kicking the shit out of some alien. Up until he got arrested by the Federation for not paying taxes.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Jenny Agutter as Crusher! Mmmmm, Jenny Agutter...

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Phasers on Stun, TNG version of date rape drug

    by leo54304

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Reggie Jackson as LaForge?

    by fiester

    The baseball player? Really?

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Reggie Vision Baby!!

    by leo54304

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    wtriker1701:

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    not sure you realize this, but GB ACTUALLY GOT THE PART OF JANEWAY, when she quit a few days into shooting, KM was the emergency replacement ( suggested by he close friend "Q" )

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST

    TNG rocks.

    by Kontarsky

    TNG is still the best Star Trek out there. Those unable to accept this are purists/classic fans which I can respect, or just deluded. That said, Yaphet Kotto was awesome in Truck Turner. However, Patrick Stewart was the best choice from those. I've got to say, those were all of the right calls..though Snipes for La Forge is a HILARIOUS thought.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Frakes was lucky to get the part of Tom Riker.

    by cookylamoo

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Genevieve Bujold/Janeway Tom Jackson/Chakotay

    by tangcameo

    Maybe it was going to be an all Canadian crew? With Cynthia Dale as Torres. Peter Outerbrige as Tom Paris. That asian kid from Degrassi Jr High (or the Hello Fashion Lovers guy) as Kim. Clark Johnson as Tuvok. Maury Chaykin as Neelix. And a way-too-young Jessica Pare as Chesty McBorg.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    oooh NOT Jessica Pare...

    by tangcameo

    ...Naked Mandy as 7of9DD

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    HEY! ITS ENRICO PALAZZO!

    by Darth Busey

    Sorry, blame it on the Reggie Jackson namedrop.

  • Aug. 28, 2010, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Edward James Olmos would have made the best Picard, but...

    by SonicRiver

    if he did TNG, BSG would have been crap.

  • Aug. 28, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    President Baltar, Sir! You're right!

    by wtriker1701

    And I was aware of that! But thanks for pointing it out anyway! <p> However... I think Voyager is one hell of an underrated show. There are so many jewels within this series that sometimes it really deserved to be called "Science Fiction". Yes, there was also utter crap - especially the Borg arc of season 7 - let's just forget that... even if it also tainted the finale.... awwww - forget it! <p> DS9 had its strength within potlitics and religion. Very strong, very strong. But it lost me as a SF series - it didn't lose me otherwise, I loved it. <p> As always (except TOS) Star Trek needed to warm up with every new incarnation AFTER the first two to three seasons...