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Harve Bennett Talks About The Unmade STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS And Discusses What Went Wrong On THE FINAL FRONTIER!!

Merrick here...
Back in 2006, I posted my extensive write-up of a script for STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS. Harve Bennett, overlord of the TREK movies throughout the 1980s, hoped this concept would serve two primary purposes purposes: to revitalize and rejuvenate the TREK franchise by introducing younger versions of the classic characters in a Starfleet Academy setting (sound familiar?), while still leaving room for their older iterations to have further adventures on the big screen. You can find my detailed script review HERE. The recently revamped has posted a fascinating interview with Bennett, who discusses why THE ACADEMY YEARS didn't happen to begin it almost came around again...and assess what went wrong on STAR TREK V.
I had an eye on John Cusack for Spock, which would have been great. Ethan Hawke could have been Kirk. There were so many possibilities.
...said Bennett about he defunct ACADEMY project. Part 1 of which can be found HERE, while Part 2 can be accessed HERE.
Regarding STAR TREK V, Bennett asserts...
The standard story is that the studio wouldn’t provide the necessary dollars for a special effects-laden finale and that if Shatner had gotten that money to work with then The Final Frontier would have been much better. Not true.
It's not a particularly lengthy piece, but its filled with refreshingly direct and honest insight about life on STAR TREK in that era. If you're a TREK fan, or have any interest whatsoever in the political machinations of film productions and studios, this is worth a look. Enjoy!
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  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    AbramsTrek was "gore for the sake of gore"?

    by Royston Lodge

    I'll give him the fast cuts and the explosions, but how was AbramsTrek a gore-fest?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:15 a.m. CST

    what happened?

    by son_of_ebert

    pew pew pew!!!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The reason Final Frontier failed

    by Darth_Tarantino because it had a terrible script. No matter how bad the special effects might have been (and they were BAD by Star Trek standards), the story is what ultimately dragged it down into the bog of eternal stench. Even though the last 2 TNG films gave it a run for it's money, Star Trek V really does remain the absolute nadir of the franchise.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    And if I am not mistaken, Mr. Bennett was also a part of the greatest TV series of all time, Time Trax. You know it's true. <br /> <br /> :)

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Harve Bennett and Gary Kurtz should...

    by Karl Hungus

    ...grab some beers, get shitfaced and spill everything. On camera, of course. Instant DVD gold.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Asimov Lives, we await you :)

    by JackGraham

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:30 a.m. CST

    It's good to know most ideas from the script were used

    by David Cloverfield

    in the new movie and in the Enterprise series (Man Kind still trying to figure out how to deal with other cultures and value systems).

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Recently been watching the Star Trek movies

    by UGG

    always meant too, finaly watched them on TV over the last few weeks, I quite like Abrahms Trek as a summer bang bang movie, plot hole's and all, but I can now understand why alot of Trekkie's hated it after watching the old one's.<p> And the above interview still dosen't fully give away Frontiers problem, I only skimmed it but it seem's it was all the Shat's fault, yes? No?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Can't say that I hated Final Frontier


    it's cheesy though.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I eagerly awail the next in the series:

    by Magnus Greel

    AICN Bitter Producer Series

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Links are dead

    by rev_skarekroe

    That didn't take long. WTF?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Gore and gore, what is gore?

    by Kirkunit

    Yeah, I don't recall a lot of gore in JJ's Trek. In fact, I think the goriest scene in all the Trek movies is the Ceti Eel crawling out of Chekov's ear in, ironically, The Wrath of Khan. That scene still makes me squirm (so to speak).

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I also didn't hate #5

    by lochkray

    Didn't love it, and it is cheesy, but it has a few moments. Nemesis was worse. And personally, I still think The Motion Picture is one of the draggiest movies of all time. I once "edited" it down (for amusement) to a little over an hour - THEN the movie works, as a fairly good T.V. episode. Otherwise, Final Frontier is still more entertaining for my money.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Star Trek : The Final Frontier isn't the worst Trek movie ...

    by JackGraham

    despite it's shit story and effects, it still gets by on the charm of the 3 leads Kirk, Spock and Bones. they elevate it to more than watchable, if unspectacular. Star Trek : The motion Picture and Star Trek : Nemesis take the cream for worst Trek movies, with Frontier coming in 3rd. I might as well continue ... 4th shittest would be Star Trek : Generations, 5th ... Star Trek : Insurrection, 6th ... Star Trek 3 : Search for Spock, 7th .... Star Trek : First Contact, 8th .... Star Trek : The Undiscovered Country, 9th ....Star Trek: Voyage Home, 10th .... Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan. Abrahms Trek would come in somewhere between First Contact and Voyage Home. Tell me I'm wrong.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:40 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives vs THE_CHOPPAH: The Movie

    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:41 a.m. CST

    John Cusack as Spock, Ethan Hawk as Kirk

    by jim

    I'm guessing the rest of the cast would have been:<p>Holly Robinson as Uhura<br>Leonardo DiCaprio as Chekov<br>Fred Ward as Bones<br>David Caruso as Scotty

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Le Vicious Fishus lol

    by UGG

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by Majereuk

    Has the interview been pulled? I just keep getting a 'not found' error. Do I need to sign up to the site before it accepts the thing exists?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Is that the actual TB comments?

    by UGG

    or did you "write" the script?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Star Trek V should have never left the campfire.

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    Kirk, Spock and McCoy should have just sat there drinking Bones' secret ingredient, eatting beans and farting for 90 minutes. That would have been watchable.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Asi's comments are mostly verbatim...

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Lord Chop's retorts are mostly paraphrased...

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    What do you mean "unmade?"

    by gruntybear

    Jar-Jar Abrams' shitfest took that kiddification of Star Trek theme from the Bennett days and made it a reality. Last year's "reboot" was the culmination of a decades old threat to toss out the beloved Trek crew of actors for cheapie youngsters. The bad guys won; and we're left with a mish-mash of superficial Trek iconography, a nonsensical "plot" and a whole bunch of random character quirks that Joe Movie-Goer mistook for a "fresh take" on the old franchise. Wallow in your new Trek timeline noobs. It's not, and never will be STAR TREK.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Le Vicious Fishus haha

    by UGG


  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I stand alone upon this island...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    ...of people who liked ST:TMP.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:50 a.m. CST

    You're wrong, JackGraham

    by Stallion_Cornell

    Trek flicks, best to worse: 1. Wrath of Kahn 2/3. Tie - Abrams Trek/First Contact 4. Undiscovered Country 5. Voyage Home 6. Search for Spock 7. Insurrection 8. TMP Ane then the unwatchables: 9. Generations 10. Nemesis 11. Home video of Leonard Nimoy doing armpit farts 47. Final Frontier

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    row row row yer boat, gently down the stream....

    by skydemon

    merrily merrily...Oh uh, umm "cough" ...sorry, got carried away.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Kirks Death

    by UGG

    As a newcomer to the movies I thought his, historically documented death, saving Cameron's ship and his actuall death sleding down the mountain are both shit.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Shut the Fuck up Donny

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    You're not alone. I liked it too.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I have lots of love

    by Bloo

    for Star Trek The Motion Picture. It's a quiet thoughtful very 70sish movie, that really does grow on me after years of dismissing it.<P>I too am getting a "page not found error"

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Guests on my island? All are welcome!

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Isn't he like 100 years old by now?

    by Bot-Bot

    No, wait...he's 80. Pretty sharp guy.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    re: Shut the Fuck up Donny

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I liked ST:TMP as well. I prefer Robert Wise's director's cut version, over the original theatrical version; but it's a fun, smart Star Trek film.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:06 p.m. CST

    ...and Star Trek V was a complete embarrassment

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I nearly walked out when the very-advanced-in-years Nichelle Nichols did a nude(?) feather fan dance tease.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    the final verdict...

    by maxwell's hammer

    the rest of you can stop posting your lists now...<BR> <BR> 11. IX (Insurrection)<BR> 10. VII (Generations)<BR> 9. X (Nemesis)<BR> 8. V (The Final Frontier)<BR> 7. III (The Search for Spock)<BR> 6. XI (JJ Trek)<BR> 5. IV (The Voyage Home)<BR> 4. VIII (First Contact)<BR> 3. VI (The Undiscoverd Country)<BR> 2. I (The Motion Picture)<BR> 1. II (The Wrath of Khan)

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    The new Trek sucked...simple as that..

    by Frecklesgirl

    This is a girls opinion, it was made to go against everything old trek was. Non stop action, jerky cameras, fake lens flaring, about 80 some plot holes or plain silly things for the sake of the look of the effect. Talk about dumbing down a denent franchise. It was for homer simpson to say..."Hey star trek is kinda good I thinks"

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:13 p.m. CST

    maxwell's hammer

    by jimmy rabbitte

    That's a pretty solid ranking. Your pick, for #1 can't be disputed; but had I been making the list, I still would probably have had ST:V, in last place. However the entirety, of your bottom four contains the correct films, so there really isn't much to argue about there.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Nemesis was the Worst

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    I say that because, if you watched the other classic movies, it quickly became apparent that ST: Nemesis was a feeble sharecropping of the cool aspect of the past movies.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by jsm1978

    I haven't watched some of them in far too long to make a solid list myself. First Contact, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, and Khan were all good. I honestly don't remember a thing about TMP. <p> Generations is sort of like The Phantom Menace to me. I enjoyed it the first time I saw it. Second viewing I picked apart all the flaws, but now I can enjoy it when I watch it. <p> Insurrection and Nemesis were flat out awful.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Sean Connery was going to play Sybok

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    A little Trek trivia. Sean Connery was in discussions to play Sybok, and Shakaree is a play on his name.<P>I actually quite like Trek V because its perhaps the closest to the spirit of the TV show: Philosophical debates, journey into the unknown, a little soul searching tossed in. Sybok was also an interesting character, the Trek equivelent of an 80s televangelist. And it is the only Trek film that really focuses on Kirk, Spock and Bones friendship.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Star Trek V?

    by ATARI

    I have no idea what you are talking about.<br> <br> Must be something that only exists in an alternate reality.<br> <br>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by maxwell's hammer

    I just couldn't stand "Insurrection" because is was so banal. Every other Star Trek film had, at the very least, a fun nostalgic moment or action scene here or there. "Insurrection" felt like an episode of 'Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman' featuring cameos by your favorite stars from Star Trek! And V gets a little boost, because as someone above stated, the chemistry between the Big Three is pretty potent stuff, even buried in an otherwise forgettable installment.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is the worst. JJ Trek was great haters

    by andrew coleman

    Sorry but I really enjoyed that movie. I can see why Trekkies hate it, because it's new and new things get hated on. Give it time and people will see how good it was. Nemesis on the other hand is just horrible. Not even fun to laugh at.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    maxwell's hammer

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Again... solid points. I think the reason I always rate V as the worst is because it was the first Trek movie to disappoint me so horribly.<p> Insurrection, though is a very good choice, for worst Trek movie. The whole conversation between Troi and Crusher, about the waning firmness of their breasts was just plain silly; and then they actually made it worse, by trying to wring a cheap laugh, out of it between Data and Worf. A true low point, in the history of Trek.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I must be the only one that enjoyed Star Trek Generations

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I mean, could it have been better? Sure. but it was a great Picard story, it had an epic destruction of the Enterprise D (and their excuse for having to wreck it always pissed me off... the movies would have given away that it was a model?? Bullshit!), the ever awesome Malcolm McDowell, Lursa and B'Tor, and other generally good call-backs to the TNG universe. The only think that could have improved was Kirk's death scene, but that could have been improved if they had decided to film Shatner's First Contact-sequel book. Can't remember the name, but that series of books was freaking awesome, would have given Kirk a second chance at, well, anything, and would have saved us the abomination that was Nemesis.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Lack of a new trek series....

    by HanSelo

    ....on the horizon makes me sad. TNG, DS9 and Voyager provided some great hours of TV Sci-Fi. Enterprise was a huge step backwards from a rich and colourful Universe that I'd grown to Love. How I wish that another TNG era series was in development. They could dust off a few of the old characters, chuck them into a starship and let the years roll by again, but no. Retro-bastardising movies seem to be the way forward.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    I'd be all for a new Trek TV series; just as long as Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are nowhere near it. I'd, also, place a restraining order, on Ron Moore and David Eick, in case they get any funny ideas about reviving/destroying another science fiction TV property.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:39 p.m. CST

    As far as the original actors (Shat, Nimoy,etc).

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Final Frontier was the worst, but they did make another film just a couple of years later. Nemesis would have to be the worst Trek film since not only was it bad and almost no one went to see it, but it took years before another film was made. And as far as the Next Generation goes, First Contact was the only good film, with Generations having a few good moments here and there.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the article, guys.

    by Mennen

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Another Final Frontier Trivia note

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Apparenlty Konmai made a game for the NES that never got released. I think you can find it somewhere on-line. I can't imagine how they could make a NES game out of that film, but then again there were a lot of movie licensed games like that for the NES (Jaws the Revenge!).

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I've always felt that Generations gets a bad rap.

    by rbatty024

    Granted, shoehorning Shatner into the film was unnecessary, but the majority of the film was a solid entry. The villain was particularly memorable. I love the part when he taunts Geordi by telling him he's not normal. That isn't what you're supposed to say to the guy from Reading Rainbow!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Since we're list-making

    by Adelai Niska

    11.Insurrection <p> 10.Final Frontier <p> 9. Nemesis <p> 8. Search for Spock <p> 7. Motion Picture <p> 6. Undiscovered Country <p> 5. Generations <p> 4. Voyage Home <p> 3. First Contact <p> 2. Reboot <p> 1. Khan

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    STTMP way better than Trek V

    by Sodomy_Joe_Shitpants

    Especially Wise's Recut. Much tighter and cleaner, and the new stuff doesn't stick out like a sore bloody thumb (Lucas). Also, Goldsmith's score rules all and will never be touched.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Generations has some good parts

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Just preaty much anything dealing with the Nexus sucks. Too bad that takes up so much of the plot.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:47 p.m. CST

    STTMP 2001 cut is indeed better

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Other than the terrible new credits at the start that look like the font for a mid-90's Sci-fi channel marathon.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Sodomy_Joe_Shitpants

    Agreed. Forgot about that.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Bennett did great on Six Million Dollar Man

    by matineer

    I recently watched some of those and they were entertaining until the end. No wonder Paramount wanted him for Trek. I have to disagree on TMP, it's the only Trek movie about exploration and certainly Roddenberry's love letter. It does grow on people. As for gore in 2009 Trek, he may mean statues crushing people, redshirt smash and Klingon flash fry, for examples. To me, 2009 Trek was fun, but divergent from Trek values. If you enjoyed it though, I'm glad you had a good time at the movies.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Trekkies are too funny.

    by alaska1125

    They are,ironically, the biggest haters of Abrams movie. "It's not Star Trek and it never will be! Stupid lens flare ruined my childhood!" Bwahahaha. Go back to your mothers basement and weep over the fact that Star Trek has moved on without you.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    This and the Kurtz stuff put the COOL in AICN

    by kevred

    I'd love to see much, much more of this. I learn more from this and enjoy it more than any 20 trailers for some stupid, forgettable films. These two pieces plus some of what's come up with the BTS pics of the day have renewed my enthusiasm for this place.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is the worst

    by ThomasServo

    I'm really surprised anyone would rank Nemesis above the lowest spot. It's not only the worst Trek movie, it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Just really embarrassingly awful.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST



    If you look at TFF as a strange dream of Kirks...from the first campsite scene post mountain fall to right at the end of the film with the ‘Row Row Row your boat’ reprise..then its possible that Trek V is actually a masterpiece of modern day cinema <p> Consider: <p> - The events of the movie are a reflection of Kirk’s fears: being put back into action while he’s unprepared, geting screwed by Starfleet, losing his crew and losing, above all, his friends. <p> - Events from the camping trip are mirrored in the dream: climbing El Capitan/climbing the mountain at the end...the fall from El Capitan/the fall from the turbo shaft...musing around the campfire/musing around the steering wheel. <p> - The broken and unreliable Enterprise is another fear of Kirk; that no ship can live up to the original. <p> - The movie follows dream logic: characters appear when needed (Spock in the turboshaft, Scotty in the brig, Spock in the BoP) and reality warps to accomodate the “story” (70+ decks, the mysterious wheel room, unicorns, sybok, god). <p> - Kirk ate gods for breakfast, so it’s no surprise they show up in his dreams. The fight against “god” is Kirk’s subconscious idea of a generic adventure. Likewise, a Klingon is his idea of a generic villain.<p> - In the end, Spocks saves his ass, just like he saved Spock’s.<p> - The romantic relationship between Scotty and Uhura. <p> - A 30 year plus impossible journey to the centre of the galaxy that happens in a few hours. <p> - Spock having a brother which was never mentioned before.<p> - the song “Row, Row, Row Your Boat” ends with the line “life is but a dream.” <p> - when going through the great barrier and the 3 are in the mysterious wheel room Bones asks ‘are we dreaming?’ and Kirk goes ‘if we are..then life is a dream’ <p> - Being chased by a floating God head which shoots lightning bolts from it's eyes would have had a very nightmare like quality to it<p> - Kirk, Spock and Bones remain together for much of the movie..just like at the campsite..<p> - And of course the story starting and ending in the same spot, with the Kirk, Spock and McCoy wearing the same clothes. <p> When you look at the movie as a nightmare, a reflection of Kirk’s subconscious fears and desires, it actually, somehow, makes *more* sense. In fact, it starts making a *lot* of sense<p> forget Inception, Shatner already led the way with dream films in Trek V

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Final Frontier may not be the best Trek Movie...

    by knightrider

    ...but it has one of my all-time favourite Kirk moments: the guy thinks he's about to meet God - and they have to stop him from taking his phaser with him. That is just all kinds of awesome!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain


  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Ever S

    by JackGraham

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Ever since Trek 5 I've never eaten beans the same way

    by JackGraham

    i love my beans, and on occasion, i put a drop of that old secret ingredient in em, whisky, it's disgusting.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Cartmanez, you are right

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Your theory that Trek V is all Kirk's dream certainly holds up. Kirk falls from the mountain, and falling is a very common dream. He is also saved by his best friend Spock - another symbolic dream image.<P>Also consider the giant logic holes in the film which I used to take as bad writing, but make sense in the context of a film: Starfleet sending a woefully underprepared Enterprise to deal with a dangerous hostage situation. The fact that Kirk, Spock and Bones could see each other's illusionary flashbacks. The Klingons coming to Kirk's rescue is Kirk's subconcious trying to forgive the Klingon's for the death of his son. Also the whole fake God thing can be interpreted as Kirk's own atheist belief that there is no higher power.<P>So yeah, Trek V could well be a lot smarter than most people think.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Still don't get the love for TMP

    by lochkray

    Even the 2001 cut. Its a movie about...nothing. In fact, its just a weak retread of an original series episode. Fine special effects, acting was about par for these movies (maybe a bit better than ususal), score was fantastic, story was poor: Big spaceship destroy things come to earth. It stole one of our (second teir newly introduced) characters. Ooops, its a referbed satellite we sent out three hundred years ago. Blow it up. Uh...and scene. THREE FUCKING HOURS to get through that. C'mon! It was not a good movie, and nothing about it was "tight". I swear to god, I thought they just forgot to turn the cameras off for some scenes.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    While I never loved the original television series...

    by Chewtoy

    The movies with the original cast are just so plain watchable. Wrath of Khan is just great, zippy pulp fun, and the Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country really let the cast interactions shine and make things a treat. It was actually embarrassing for the Next Generation crew how effortlessly fun the remnants of the original cast make their opening bit of "Generations" as well. I'm glad, however, that the NG crew got to make "First Contact"... it was an outstanding entry which finally allowed them to bring their best showing from the TV series to the big screen. It's just too bad that the producers seemed utterly clueless about what made that film work in crafting the follow-ups to it... because those were dreadful.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    As for New Trek...

    by Chewtoy

    I think they did a good job again of capturing the effortlessly fun interaction of these characters, even with entirely new actors. The story is actually pretty nonsensical and borderline awful, and I think admiration for it will erode over time, but it is definitely saved by the energy of the cast.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Abrams Trek

    by funkylovemonkey

    was not an insult to the franchise. The decade preceding it was an insult to the franchise. Insurrection, Nemesis, Generations, Voyager and Enterprise were all insults to the franchise. For all of the new Trek's flaws and stretches of logic, it was the first time I had enjoyed Star Trek since the end of DS9.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is the worst? A lot of Insurrection lovers here!

    by Royston Lodge

    I find it hard to believe that so many people here think that Insurrection is a better movie than Nemesis.<p> Insurrection looks so cheap that The Final Frontier is an epic of special fx and production design by comparison. At least The Final Frontier had the triple-breasted cat-stripper!<p> Insurrection is such a stupid story that it makes The Final Frontier seem like an intellectual feast for the mind by comparison.<p> Nemesis has its faults. Lordy, does it have it's faults.<p> But to say that Nemesis is WORSE than Insurrection?!?!?!<p> WHISKEY ... TANGO ... FOXTROT ...

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:09 p.m. CST

    I think Bennet's lost it too

    by RPLocke

    He and Kurtz should go have dinner and whine together.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The scariest scene in any Star Trek movie.

    by Royston Lodge

    Uhura's stripper dance.<p> Hands down.<p> Nightmares for weeks...

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    You know when Kirk and Spock and McCoy start

    by RPLocke

    singing in a Trek movie for 20 minutes, your plot is shot. Bennet should take some advice from Abrams. ST is supposed to be exciting.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    What went wrong with Star Trek V? Ummm...

    by Royston Lodge about the fact that they let T.J. Hooker direct a Star Trek movie!!!!<p> "They have to learn about TekWar eventually." - Seymour Skinner

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Harve bennet omen

    by nightmute

    Bennet was great value on the Omen boxed set. He really sells the curse aspect of it. He does the commentary on Damien, and it is quite amusing.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Planty - thatd make Kirks mountain fall a dream within a dream


    as his ascent up the mountain and fall occurs before they bed down at the campsite - that way the bed down would be a dream within a Shatner thought this thing through more than i ever realised!!!<p> also a couple of key scenes (including the film's opening sequence) take place before Kirk falls asleep. the only explanation is it was still set in Kirks dream - its obvious Shatner didnt intend it to be a dream but its cool to think it was - it elevates the film from really poor Trek film to a one of Inception style genius!!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:24 p.m. CST

    2,3,4, Undiscovered Country and First Contact

    by RPLocke

    is all you need for the best Trek movies.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Speaking of plot holes...

    by Monroville

    Has anyone watched Red Letter Media's ...critiques of the NEXT GEN movies? Her ya go: <p> <p> BTW, I understand where lochray is coming from, but hey, I still dig ST:TMP - childhood memories, seeing ST on the big screen for the first time, great FX and it still felt like the old show (even if it was a combo of NOMAD/DOOMSDAY MACHINE). Even so, the opening with the Klingons is still better than damn near every one of the NEXT GEN movies. While I liked the show and FIRST CONTACT was entertaining, J.J.s ST is nowhere near as plot-holely as the entire NEXT GEN series. Even more so, J.J.s TREK captured one thing important to the series: the spirit. Let's face it: the NEXT GEN movies were like the show: not too much fun involved and the roster of actors just weren't as good as the original cast.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    BTW Merrick:

    by Monroville

    Are you going to repost links that work (or someone else who has saved the link material)?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:30 p.m. CST

    i think the so called false 'god' in Trek V really was THE 'God'


    just because Kirk wonders what he wants with his ship dosnt mean its not THE God - maybe god does need a starship....and Spock saying it isnt him dosnt make him right!!<p> think about it - God created mankind in his image - now look what mankind has done throughout history - wars, murders every single day, thieving, stealing, being snakey etc..even the best of us fall from grace eventually...<p> 'God' in Trek V - behaving like an asshole shooting lighting bolts from his eyes when people question him, wanting to steal stuff etc etc is totally in keeping with humanity and how we've behaved the past however many thousand years (especially various leaders)...<p> so Spock zapped the almighty - nice going Mr Ears

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I really enjoyed the reboot.

    by tj donkey show

    As a matter of fact just saw it again last Saturday. For everyone complaining about the plot holes, you should go out and get the prequel comics. They do a nice job filling some of the holes in the movie. Has some great cameos and surprises too.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    But why was God trapped inside an energy ring?

    by RPLocke

    And why couldn't "GOD" just take Kirk's ship when it orbited the planet? Why did it have to wait until Sybok and the others met it on the surface?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST

    RPLocke - Gods power was realative to mans belief


    as man became less believing of the Almighty 'His' power dwindeled...once he got on the ship and spread the word hed have been all powerful again - but Spock killed Him

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Btw what happened to AsimovLives?

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Did he get banned? I enjoyed his endless tirades on JJTrek.<P>Back to God...if it was indeed the real God, then you could speculate that it was trapped on the planet because mankind had rejected religion in favor of science. God needed mankind to "believe" in him again and proving their faith by "moving the Starship closer". I think its cool that we're debating the deeper meanings of Trek V. Whether intentional or not, the suntext of Trek V definitely can be discussed at length. I've always thought its a film that only appears simplistic but has a lot going on.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST

    ST 5 is my favourite

    by Sith Witch

    and that's no joke.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    The links to the articles are bad

    by DadTimesTwo

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Planty - what Shatner has done is going to be puzzled over...


    ..and studied and followed... forever (and thats WITHOUT Trek V - when the people of the world start to realise what Shatner was attempting with his masterpiece it'll open a whole new ball game)

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Here's the list in correct order:

    by Coughlins Laws

    1. Wrath Of Khan 2. First Contact 3. The Voyage Home 4. The Undiscovered Country 5. Generations 6. The Motion Picture 7. The Search For Spock 8. Insurrection 9. Reboot 10. The Final Frontier 11. Any Fan Film 12. Any Clip On Youtube 13. In Living Colour with Jim Carrey as Kirk 14. Star Trek Convention role-playing 15. Nemesis

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Just guessing here but

    by son_of_ebert

    I always got the feeling that things started going down when the actors started getting more say on how they wanted their character to develop.. except for maybe Takei who wanted more for Sulu..

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Final Frontier was "bad" but at least in a

    by Samuel Fulmer

    campy so bad it's good kind of way. I mean, I guess maybe no one really ruined any tube socks watching it (unless they liked a 60 year old Nichelle Nichols or the pre Brokeback men around the fire scene), but it has maybe the most iconic line of the Trek films..."What does God want with a starship." And I don't think it should come as a shock that the campiest entry in the film series happens to be the one directed by Mr. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds himself, the Shatman Crothers.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Oops, forgot to do it correctly...

    by Coughlins Laws

    1. Wrath of Khan<p>2. First Contact<p>3. The Voyage Home<p>4. The Undiscovered Country<p>5. Generations<p>6. The Motion Picture<p>7. The Search For Spock<p>8. Insurrection<p>9. Reboot<p>10. The Final Frontier<p>11-14. Anything else anyone else did...<p>15. Nemesis<p><p><p>There, that's a little more aesthetically pleasing for the eyes...

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    My problem with the reboot is, it really didn't have anything

    by Coughlins Laws

    to do with Star Trek. Why couldn't he just make his own film, why did he have to slap Star Trek names on it? None of the characters were the same as their characters in the original series in any way. They just had the same names. Not to mention, I didn't like ANYONE in the cast, outside of Quinto (who I admit was perfect to play Spock). I couldn't dislike an actor more than Chris Pine

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    shouldve done Undiscovered Country and the Academy movie back2ba


    wouldve been something to do TUC and the Academy movie back to back (taking note of the BTTF sequels which had just been done) and released the Academy movie May 91 and Trek VI: TUC Decemeber 91<p> Bennent couldve directed 'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' (maybe even dropped 'star trek' from the title? - although then maybe people wouldve thought it was a Police Adademy movie set in space!) with cameos from the original cast at the end and Meyer couldve still done 'TUC' (still called Trek VI although technically itd be Trek VII - unless theyd have chosen to drop the numerals and just called it Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country) <p> pity Trek V wasnt a Voyage Home style success as that mightve happened.<p> Young Kirk couldve been Sean Patrick Flanery (Young Indiana Jones - he always reminded me of a young Shatner). Spock - John Cusak or David Ducovney. Bones - Gary Sinese, Uhura - Halle Berry, Pike - Harrison Ford or Christopher Reeve, Sarek - Jeremy Irons or Alan Rickman.Amanda - Kim Basinger <p> pluswe would have seen characters like Carol Marcus, Gary Mitchell, and Finnegan. Possibly even seen Kirk’s experience with the Tarsus IV massacre and his cloud Killer Farragut incident

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:15 p.m. CST

    those links dont work

    by stvnhthr

    Can you fix the links to the Star Trek article? I expected at the very least to get Ric rolled.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah I sort of agree on the Abrams Trek

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I enjoyed it, thought it was a great movie, but it just felt too Star Warsy, just like the Prequels felt too Treky. It's like the franchises tried aping each other (Star Wars prequels with the galactic politics and attempting unsuccessfully to have some kind of deep subtext, Star Trek going strictly the action rout and leaving out the subtext). I'm hoping the next Trek movie has a little more brain candy to chew on other than time travel/alt reality shit that at this point is beyond cliche.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    The TNG movies after FC were so bad

    by RPLocke

    Never understood why they went for cute and funny in Insurrection. The TNG show wasn't known as a cute and funny show. Just mind boggling.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    just saw Trek cast at Chicago Comic Con

    by oisin5199

    But was mightily bummed Patrick Stewart had to cancel. Walter Koenig was ok (only saw part of his). Avery Brooks (Captain Sisco)was larger than life and was so inspiring and moving, I was wiping my eyes at the end of it. John de Lancie (Q) had some great stories and was really intelligent. Brent Spiner (Data) was hilarious, snarky and making fun of everyone, but lighthearted. The downer of the whole day was Shatner, who was long-winded, boring, unfocused and only got to 2 questions because he was so busy telling irrelevant stories no one asked about. What a windbag. This leads me to one conclusion. We need a Deep Space Nine movie, stat. The Return of Sisco. He was always the most badass captain, as much as I love Stewart.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:28 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives vs THE_CHOPPAH: The Movie ver. 2

    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:31 p.m. CST

    JJ TRek wa sgreat but KHAN and TMP director Ed are still best

    by picardsucks

    TMP is still the most majestic of all the films and certainly the smartest. Best Movie Soundtrack ever better than Star Wars better than Godfather. And possibly stil the most realistic space effects ever to this day. That ship looked like it was real and bigger than 3 football fields. Doug Trumbull is still the best and his models look better than CGI (for the most part) he retired too soon and should have been brought back for the sequels. (ILM was way over rated) On whole though nothing is better than Khan JJTrek lacked a great Soundtrack. James Horner would have been a much better choice All the next Gen films suck shit except for the 3 minutes of Shatner scenes in the crapfest called Generations.MSNBC Commie Trek sucks balls JJ needs a bit more careful plot and a little less high octane short attention span Starbucks Redeye fuel and he will really hit his stride. He has the right cast. With a couple teaks the Giangaticprise (biggest Enterprise Ever) could look really cool.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    The new Trek's score

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I guess I'm not the only one that felt like it wasn't up to snuff. Was it just me, or was that main theme suited more to some kind of historic epic than a Trek film. It just sounded out of place and maybe a little James Horner lite.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Or maybe better suited to an Oscar's montage

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by RedBull_Werewolf


  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:49 p.m. CST

    5 sucked because it destroyed continuity

    by brabon300

    first we get spock's bro...then we get shatner stating that he has no family...forgetting the fact that somewhere in the universe, he has a nephew...the story sucked...the direction sucked and the dialogue sucked

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    As i gaze out the window ...

    by JackGraham

    tis a full moon and as I browse You Tube for some special music to mark the occasion, my fingers tap in the words "joe versus the volcano soundtrack" and alas, i'm in my own little heaven right now and i just wanted to share that with all you geeks. Trek 2 is the best, Nemesis the worst and god bless you all.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    The Best TNG Movie

    by Liberty Valance

    The greatest Next Gen movie of them all is the series finale, "All Good Things." Yeah it's cheating but fuck it, it was feature length and captured the series' tone and characters better than any of theose fuckin features did. How they never made a theatrical movie with Q as the villain still boggles my mind. NEMESIS's biggest fuckin problem is that no Next Gen Star Trek movie should be called "Nemesis" without fuckin Q in it!!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Polanskis Trek movie: The Undiscovered Virgin

    by leo54304

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 3:58 p.m. CST

    The Star Trek V NES game that never was

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Not the playable game, but an overview of it anyway

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Kirk wasn't stating he had no family

    by RPLocke

    Besides his parents would have been dead for awhile. His brother was probably still alive.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Never considered the Q angle Liberty

    by leo54304

    I mean Q was one of the best characters in STNG including the crew.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Not in front of the Klingons.

    by cushing1967

    Almost saves V for me - almost, but 'I kna this ship like that back o mah hand!' fucks it up. And Uhura's dance.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Final Frontier gets a pass from me...

    by TedKordLives

    On account of Bones' recounting of his father's death. Deforrest Kelley's finest hour, right there. Some really heavy stuff, and he effin' sold it.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:38 p.m. CST

    5 was on TV the other night

    by Jared

    Man, is that a terrible film. I hadn't seen since I was a kid and had forgotten how terrible it was. The FX are embarrassingly bad and the characters all act like morons most of the time.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Best Trek Films

    by Jared

    1) Khan 2) Voyage Home 3) Undiscovered Country 4) JJ Trek 5) First Contact

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Insurrection

    by RPLocke

    SHOULD have been about trying to some Insurrection on a planet that was being ravaged by the Dominon War. Say that a species was being wiped out to near extincting and Picard and his crew were called into save 1 or 2 people to preserve the race.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Dear god Insurrection was boring.

    by TedKordLives

    I'd definitely put that at the bottom of the list, right below Nemesis. Personally, The Search for Spock is my least favorite of the original cast's films. I don't think Nimoy had found his groove as a director yet, and the chick that replaced Kirste Alley was terrible and nowhere near as attractive. <P> Oh, yeah, and a guy named Merritt Buttrick plays Kirk's son. That's just wrong.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    I agree that #5 has some good moments.

    by Royston Lodge

    - Bones talking about his dad was indeed a damned good scene.<p> - I liked the cantina on Nimbus III.<p> - The young Klingon captain and his love-bitch were pretty damned cool (I sorta wish the whole movie had been about them.)<p> - I LIKED Sybok!!! I thought the IDEA of a rebellious Vulcan was really neat.<p> - "Not in front of the Klingons" is a great line.<p> It's not my least favourite of the series. That distinction is reserved for Insurrection. Fuck I hate that movie.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 3 was really good

    by RPLocke

    It has some good ST moments in it. The destruction of the Enteprise was awesome. I remember people were freaking out at the end because Kirk was a renegade.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Fix the damn links!

    by archer1949

    I'm getting nothin'

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:10 p.m. CST

    The Only Thing That Would Have Made Star Trek V...

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    ...The perfect B Movie is if they had sung 'Old McDonald Had A Farm' complete with animal noises instead of 'Row, Row, Row Your Boat'!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Tenenbaum, I Agree With Your Order of Good...

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    ...Trek Films! By the way did you know that Nicholas Meyer is J.J. Abrams God-Father?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 3 DID have some good moments...

    by TedKordLives

    But overall it just didn't come together for me.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Damon Lindelof gives EOnline new sequel info

    by NoHubris

    The very short article is titled "Star Trek Producer: Sequel's Gonna Get All Dark Knight on Us."<p>There's also a video clip with Lindelof. Here it is:<p>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:23 p.m. CST

    ^ Close the space between "x" and "ae"

    by NoHubris

    Again, the corrected link is as follows:<p>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Every Harve Bennett Trek script...

    by NoHubris a really great read BTW.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Star Trek III Was The Worst Moive Of All!

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    I remember that in the director's commentary of the 2002 Director's Edition of Star Trek II, Nicholas Meyer tells how he was offered the chance to write and direct Star Trek III, but he turned them down because he didn't want to do a resurrection story because he felt that it was a cheat. Having seen Star Trek III get rid of all the things he set up: The Genesis Planet, David Marcus, Carol Marcus, Savvik (Robin Curtis = pseudo-Savvik), Kirk suddenly goes from 'feeling young' to feeling like he has 'an open wound', I can only imagine he became apoplectic! In other words get the 2002 Director's Edition of Star Trek II The Wrath of Kahn and turn on the Director's Commentary. It's a revelation! Cool Deleted Scenes:

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    For the simpletons who think JJ Abrams Star Trek was good..

    by CeejayNightwing

    yes it was good entertainment but so is any typical teen flick. What it wasn't was Star Trek. Jim Kirk was a cadet and by the end of the film he'd become a CAPTAIN? That takes years of service and knowing the ropes no matter how much potential you have, you don't just get a ship and a crew to command for saving the day like in Star Wars! And how can one ship being destroyed in the past change everything on every single planet in the universe? One federation ship being destroyed will not have any bearing on Spock's growing up and his involvement in star fleet let alone his changed attitudes to his rituals and heritage to the point he wants to snog Uhura every 5 minutes! And how the hell does Chekov get on a Starship bridge service before Kirk has even graduated? Chekov was the youngest member of the crew and joined a full year after they all were seasoned vets! The amount of dum holes in that film simply pointed out that you can make any spectacle to please an audience but in terms of intelligent sci fi it was miles behind the average ST film let alone a single episode of any ST show! JJ simply made an action flick for the masses and knuckle-draggers using Star Trek names and concepts.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I Wish Nero Had Blown Up 'Admiral' Archer's...

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    ...Enterprise along with his fucking prize beagle! That would have put the future right on track!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Harve Bennett was wrong

    by Chief Joseph

    He wanted to do "Star Trek Babies" instead of ST6:The Undiscovered Country. That was stupid for many reasons and EVERYONE hated that Going that way would have very likely made The Final Frontier the last film we would have got with the Classic Crew. They would have gone out with a pathetic wimper. Not that I'm saying ST6 was perfect, but it was a hell of a lot better than ST5.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Harve Bennet Wanted To Do "Star Trek Babies"

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    precisely because of Star Trek V. After that piece of shit can you blame him? But it all worked out in the end because Star Trek VI was pretty awesome. Did you know that the part of Valeris was originally written for Savvik but they didn't want Robin Curtis back and Kirstie Alley backed out after she read the script (she didn't want Savvik to go out as a villian--thank the God of Shakaree!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Stargate is the new improved Star Trek

    by DioxholsterReturns

    update yourselves people, there is a new player in town and hes rockin it hard! ya SGU season 2 sept 28!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Harve is wrong about Star Trek V

    by TheDudeinLA

    I spoke to the original screenwriter. What happened was they were going with his script. Nimoy loved it and was set to direct...they were a week away. During that time Harve came back into the picture. Since he did such a great job with Trek 2 they let him in. First thing he did was toss out the trek script (done by a serious, serious Trek fan) Typical Hollywood crap.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    "And how can one ship being destroyed in the past change everything on every single planet in the universe?" <p> Butterfly effects. <p> Agree with you about the "hey, this kid seems good, let's give him a starship..." thing, though.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:32 p.m. CST

    TMP did have a point.

    by Talandir

    The point was about getting what you wish for. Kirk got to be an Admiral only to realize he belonged on the bridge of a starship. Decker got command only to realize what he wanted was not on any starship. And most importantly, Spock achieved true absolute logic; only to realize, through contact with a being of unrivaled logic and knowledge, that logic was only the beginning of wisdom and not the end. The moment when Spock, now smiling mind you, takes Kirk's arm and tells him that this simple feeling was beyond all of V'Ger's raw intellect? One of the most important in Spock's existence.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    the whole Odd numbers thing is complete mob mentality horseshit

    by awepittance

    anybody who parrots this garbage to me is usually not a true star trek fan :)

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Well the row your boat scene could have used some hand phasers

    by BrandLoyalist

    If they'd had the FX budget, I would have liked to have seen the three of them turn their phasers on each other on disintegrate just before the singing

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Does anyone here have a soft spot for Motion Picture?

    by awepittance

    I have a big one, if you are a fan of Robert Wise in other scifi movies im not sure how you could hate this film. Sure it's slow but there are plenty of amazing slow paced movies out there. 2001, barton fink, primer.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    ST5 DID just need a better finale

    by Drath

    Most of that movie holds up pretty well, the idea that a crazy cult leader captures the ship so he can go find God is a perfectly good idea. Granted Lawrence Luckinby was not as enigmatic as the character needed to be, and the Klingons weren't as threatening as they should have been (would rather have seen the Ktinga battle ship from TMP for one thing--and we were overdue to see Kang, Koloth, or Kor). But seriously, the ending just runs out of energy. The "God" monster becomes pitifully ineffective, and his whole planet looked just like Nimbus 3 earlier in the same movie even though it's glowing like a blue star from orbit. And the crew of the Enterprise were brainwashed, yet they just "get better." It was an ambitious movie though, it tried to introduce the most new elements into a single movie in the franchise since Star Trek 2. It just didn't pull it off as well, partially because it felt like they didn't have it in them to set up more movies. But at least we had Star Trek 6--best looking of all the Trek movies period--to send them off well. I wish the Next Gen movies has been as good, but they never were even when they weren't bad like First Contact.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    when i was a kid and saw ST5 for the first time

    by awepittance

    it really blew my mind, the whole notion that just because something appears by all reason to be 'god' doesn't necessarily mean it is. thus the agnostic paradox, how much proof can a god give you to prove he is actually a/the god? funny how important that revelation for me was as a kid .and mind you i was an atheist from a very early age.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:49 p.m. CST

    re: But to say that Nemesis is WORSE than Insurrection?!?!?!

    by awepittance

    yes it is, it is by far the worst star trek movie, go check out Red Letter Media's review of it. you only have to focus in on the fact that in a young picture of picard it shows the actor who played shinzon (tom hardy) with a bald head in star fleet??!?! why in the fucking fuck would they do something so stupid?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I am the lonely one with my love for insurrection

    by NADO

    Here is my list: 1 Undiscovered Country 2 wrath of Khan 3 Voyage Home 4 First Contact 5 Search For Spock 6 Insurrection 7 Final Frontier 8 Nemesis 9 Generations JJ' film and TMP don't belong in the same category as the other movies they stand apart for good or for worse. On the subject of Final Frontier anybody's got an appreciation for the latest Iron Maiden album?

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Hawk and Cusack in "Slack Trek"

    by thecomedian

    I guess they would have gotten Garry Sinese for Bones and Hallie as Uhura.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Those are good points. Most of the crew would not have been at the academy at the same time.</P> <P>But another thing about neo-Kirk's academy daze bothers me: after three years, he shows no growth as a person. I doubt that one could go three years at military academy and remain the exact same person. There has got to be some sort personal growth. But he doesn't show any. This was just one of many mis-characterizations in the film.</P>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    <P>That was very well stated. I salute you.</P>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    <P>With regards to ST:TMP, and other works by Robert Wise (may he rest in peace), you are not alone.</>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 8:45 p.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    <P>With regards to ST:TMP, and other works by Robert Wise (may he rest in peace), you are not alone.</>

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 9:05 p.m. CST

    The Voyage Home has aged the WORST!

    by filmakr1

    I can't even watch it anymore. The stupid jokes are horrendous. "LDS", Everyone remember where we parked, and the absolute WORST TREK LINE, never mind Kirk line in ANY film or episode! Double-Dumb-Ass-On-You! That was NOT Kirk who said that line, no way ... Have you all forgotten that? C'mon, this thing is nowhere near as good as we all once thought it was. It's just bad corny now.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I just GOTTA ask.... WhyTF Laurence Luckinbill?

    by tangcameo

    I know they say they wanted Sean Connery for the role - but C'MON! The only time I've ever seen this Luckinbill guy before was on an episode of Murder She Wrote when I couldn't find the frickin' remote control. Was he one of the backers of the film. Was he a cast member's brother-in-law? Did they do call-backs on Superbowl Sunday and he was the only one at home? They could have hired just about ANYBODY to be Sybok. HELL, they could have given Nimoy another evil beard and a split screen. Ack! This just boggles my mind.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Ethan Hawke, John Cusack & Wynona Ryder in "Trek Bites"

    by tangcameo

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Final Frotneir is not so bad

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    when looked as a long TOS episode its pretty good!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 9:22 p.m. CST

    'Remember where we parked."

    by TedKordLives

    BWAH-HAHAHAHA-HAHAHAHAHA! <P> Cracked me up as a kid, and it still does.

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 9:24 p.m. CST

    TMP is about emotion defeating logic

    by Planty_McPlant_Plants_His_Plant_At_AICN

    Kirk shuns his Starfleet top brass position to become Captain of the Enterprise again, which is closest to his heart. Spock interrupts his quest to attain pure logic and eventually realizes the value for human feelings that V'Ger yearns for. Decker makes the "illogical" decision to bond with Ilia and V'Ger and to cease existing as an organic being. And V'Ger itself seeks to understand human feeling because pure intellect does not fulfill it.<P>TMP is a great sci-fi movie in all respects, and has the best effects work of the series. Does it lack dramatic tension? Perhaps, but it has too much going for it to be derided (including that amazing soundtrack).

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I think The Voyage Home is still funny as hell

    by SithMenace

    Everything between Spock and Kirk in San Francisco is comedy gold. <p>Do you like Italian?"<p>"Yes"<p>"No"<p>"Yes"<p>"No"<p>"Yes, I love Italian, and so do you"<p>"Yes"

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 10:48 p.m. CST

    SGU > JJ Star Trek

    by DioxholsterReturns

    you know it. you guys need to redeem yourselves by giving us a fucking talkback!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Agree 100% and that's exactly how I have always felt about that movie. I've always thought it was a great "episode". Good call!

  • Aug. 25, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    The Voyage home is the best acted Trek

    by RPLocke

    Really, Kirk and Spock are just normal people who happen to be from the future. TWOK has good acting too, but it's more melodramatic.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Final Frontier IS the worst

    by MattmanReturns

    The story, the acting, and the sets are just horrendous. Several scenes are almost Ed Wood territory... like the Styrofoam rocks, the line Spock is attached to on the elevator, and the mini-hanger bay that doesn't match the scale of the outside of the ship. And the budget isn't THAT small, so I don't buy the "the film sucked because of budget cuts" nonsense. Far better, more convincing sci-fi films have been made on lower budgets than Star Trek V.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Nemesis is mediocre, but not awful

    by MattmanReturns

    Get some perspective, people. Have you ever seen a truly bad movie?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 3 gets brownie points for several scenes

    by MattmanReturns

    Beautiful destruction of the enterprise (that entire scene is thrilling, from the countdown to the ship burning in the sky). David's death. Kirk kicking Lloyd off the cliff. Not a perfect movie by any means, but it's got some classic stuff.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Good Lord, Cusack and Hawke = TOTAL FAIL.

    by AnnoyYou

    They would have been horrible as Spock and Kirk - I can't think of two more self-conscious overrated actors, especially the unwashed horde Hawke. So glad this "prequel" never happened.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Movies

    by cushing1967

    I always thought that TMP was a fair to good science fiction movie but not a good Trek movie. I think that one of the worst things to happen to Trek was the fetishization of the show in the long gap betweeb TOS and the movies. It seems that those 10 years elevated the 'social importance' of the series so much that when it came back it seemed to think it was 'important science fiction' rather than 'great space opera'. It kind of ignored that Trek worked best when it had great science fiction stories (which it did) but also a real sense of adventure. TMP forgot that TOS wasn't a show that showed things being resolved in a peaceful, mature, Utopian way - but had a healthy dollop of gunboat diplomacy and quite often drop kick diplomacy too. Once you remove the Enterprise then with TMP you have a good film that falls quite neatly beside Silent Running and 2001.<br>Wrath of Khan brought that sense of adventure back and did it brilliantly.<br>Search For Spock, on the whole I've never liked this movie that much - Christopher Lloyd was miscast, the ressurection storyline felt like a cheat to me and 'You Klingon Bastard, you killed my son' always made me laugh (and I'm not sure why). It's not a disaster - it has, if I recall, some great scenes and performances.<br>Voyage Home, I loved at the time - now, well I'm not so sure - it seems to sacrifice character an awful lot in the search for jokes. It plays the fish out of water aspect too much, it treats the crew as though they were aliens who had never encountered Earth Technology before rather than people from the future. It is funny and has some great scenes and performances but it doesn't work for me as much as it used to.<br>Final Frontier - on the whole, bar one or two shining lights, a huge, wasteful, indulgent peace of crap.<br>Undiscovered Country is my favourite, sometimes (it fluctuates between this and Khan). I love it, the atmosphere, the performances (everyone seemed to really up their game as they knew it was the last one). The humour was appropriate and the action sequences are just superb. I get a lump in my throat at the end credits. <br>Sidenote - I remember George Takei being on some British show being interviewed about this and he kept on refering to the film as ^'Star Trek VI: Captain Sulu to the Rescue'. Which is ridiculous and strangely endearing.<br>Generations - I barely remember to be honest. I do remember that Kirk's death didn't resonate as it looked a bit like an overweight man falling in the street - I remember that there had been talk about Kirk flying the Enteerprise from TNG into the Nexus and his last words 'It's been fun'. That would have worked for me.<br>First Contact - Love it, great vampire / zombie film in space, nice action sequences and some great performances.<br>Insurrection - all I remember is Gilbert and Sullivan being sung by a mad data and that is literally all I remember.<br>Nemesis - shitty awful terrible shitty abortion of a film. The only time I have EVER felt embarrassed by my geek factor was at the end when they were all remembering Data and I thought, I would like to beat you all to death with that fat bearded fuckers trombone!!!!<br>JJ Abrams Trek - I really liked it, apart from their portrayal of Scotty. However, a good friend of mine who is way more of a Trek fan than me hates it because it's fast and loose attitude to continuity. I can get that attitude I guess but for me it's a great film.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:13 a.m. CST


    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    agreed! its good to be the agree king.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Hey, Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman, are you listening?

    by BurnHollywood

    "Bjo Trimble’s Star Trek Concordance became my first reading, the next day, and for three months thereafter I went into the dusty old 16-millimeter screening rooms at Paramount and watched the 70-something episodes of Star Trek. I watched the entire three years. I found myself fascinated."<p> It's called "research" dumbfucks. Check it out sometime.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:01 a.m. CST

    "while I never loved the original tv series.."

    by UltraTron

    How did you not love the original series?

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:43 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan <br><br> 2. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock <br><br> 3. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country <br><br> 4. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home <br><br> 5. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier <br><br> Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World <br><br> 6. Star Trek: First Contact (Aliens rehash though.) <br><br> 7. Star Trek: Insurrection <br><br> 8. Star Trek (2009) <br><br> 9. Star Trek: Generations <br><br> 10. Star Trek: The Motion Picture <br><br> 11. Star Trek: Nemesis

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:56 a.m. CST

    I Didn't Like The Way They Handled Kirk's Death.

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    I would rather they had left it at The Undiscovered Country. I didn't hate Generations. But I would have rather seen the whole old Enterprise crew and maybe leave there fate in question as they head back to the past. Oh well. Nicholas Meyer saved the series and I cannot emphasize enough his commentary on the 2002 release of Star Trek II. Unlike many commentaries, this was informative and interesting!

  • The suits looked at Trek:IV and asked why it was successful. The answer wasn't in the plot, or the FX, or that it was a cautionary moral tale just like the classic series was at it's best....<br /><br />No, they decided it was the humour. So the suits wanted Trek:V to be hilarious. Fucking suits. They're the reason the movie sucked. End of.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg - you missed off Galaxy Quest and Forbidden Planet


    my list best to worst <p> Classic(***** out of *****)<P> II<p> Greats (****)<p> III, XI, VIII, IV, VI<p> oks (***)<p> I, VII<P> Bads(**)<p> V, X, IX

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge I had to look

    by MurderMostFowl

    Insurrection and Nemesis were so bad in my mind that I actually had to shuttle over to IMDB just to remember which one was which.<BR><BR> I'm afraid I can't say either one was any better than the other. <BR>That boggles my mind is that this franchise could even have scripts or hell even plots this bad make it through the process. No, actually that's wrong... what annoyed me about both movies is that they didn't seem to be trying to go a new direction at all... there was no unique storyline. Nemesis was a prepackaged retread of TWoK. But worse, in that the writers/studio etc were wanting it to FEEL like that, and not actually be good. Insurrection was your standard TNG "small planet" story, which COULD have been solid, yet the writing was weak, and the character development ( which should be driving a story like this ) was really like driving slowly through a town and not actually meeting anyone or caring. <BR><BR> So action entertainment wise Nemesis is better... but that isn't saying much.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    John Cusak as Spock!

    by Malcior

    Kinda glad this didn't work out if that was the case. Seeing Spock describe his Top 5 worst Pon Farrs would have ruined it for me.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Nemesis is the wprst

    by mortsleam

    Insurrection, like Final Frontier, is a bad episode of the series (this time TNG) stretched out to just-barely-feature length. Nemesis ruins the Romulans, kills Data, rapes Troi, and steals all of it's best themes and set pieces straight from Khan. And gets them wrong. Insurrection is just mediocre and unneccessary in comparison. List? I love list...<p>1. Wrath of Khan<p>2. Undiscovered Country<p>3. First Contact<p>4. Reboot<p>5. Voyage Home<p>6. Search For Spock<p>7. TMP<p>8. Generations<p>9. Final Frontier<p>10. Insurrection<p>11. Nemesis<p> TMP, while boring, lays the groundwork, and without it we wouldn't have Futurama's "V-Giny." I always give II - IV special mention as the most satisfying continued string of movies. Then I pretend that V doesn't exist and go straight to VI. Then likewise pretend that "All Good Things" was the first TNG feature, followed by First Contact. Then skip everything til the Reboot.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Insurrection, the worst one, really?

    by shutupfanboy

    It is a two hour TNG episode extended out, but is it the Data acting silly shit or everyone acting like teenagers other then that I thought it had a good message. Picard's speech to the Admiral is amazing and a Federation Civil War was intriguing as well as the fight in the Barer Patch. Not my favorite TNG movie, First Contact even with its minor flaws is their best one. Nemesis was all the Treks rolled into one with a bad taste in the mouth and Generations was uneven. TMP is the worst film, I still fall asleep even today. Frontier even with its rather stupid premise still has one of the most thoughtful lines in cinema history: "What does God need with a starship?" Which begs the question what does God need with money or a church or a book. It's probably just a question to get the bad guy, but it does open the door for questioning the existence of religion. For that, I can't hate it too much. It was disappointing even when I was a kid and saw it in the theater, I didn't like it that much.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Nailed it

    by savagedave

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 9:17 a.m. CST

    TNG has aged worse than TOS

    by jonsnow

    For some reason the original Trek never ages and looks like a classic sci-fi tv show, yet the next generation is missing something vital, perhaps it is that the original actors were so emotional and very good in their roles. The only actors that were somewhat interesting to me in TNG were Data and Troy.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10 a.m. CST

    Despite the hatred for V we see here...

    by rbatty024

    I've always felt like it deserved more hatred. Star Trek V deserves to be at the bottom (maybe Insurrection is worst), but it gets a pass because of nostalgia for the original series. Sorry, just looking at it as a film and ignoring any emotional baggage we have, it's even worse than Nemesis.

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  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:19 a.m. CST

    It's a Harve Bennett interview...

    by KazamaSmokers

    come on... as him about Time Trax.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Insurrection makes me want to kill puppies and kittens.

    by Royston Lodge

    That's how much I hate it.<p> It's not just that it's a cheap-ass, mediocre TNG episode stretched to two hours with cheap-ass fx.<p> It's that at no point does the FUCKING MOVIE MAKE ANY SENSE.<p> The movie takes place during the Dominion War, at a point when The Dominion were very clearly winning. That means that the entire Alpha Quadrant was at risk to falling to a foreign totalitarian government. That means TRILLIONS (not billions, but trillions) of lives hung in the balance.<p> On the other side of the scale, the Ba'ku are, at most, a few hundred people.<p> But because the So'na are kinda douchey and because ONE of the hot Ba'ku chicks makes Picard's elderly penis stand at attention for the first time in years, he decides to go against the expressed orders of Starfleet, the democratically-elected Federation Council, not to mention common sense, and side with the couple of hundred people (who don't even enjoy Prime Directive protection) instead of the TRILLIONS of lives at risk from The Dominion.<p> Fuck ... that ... shit ...<p> Ok, ok, I know, it's all just an allegory about the injustice of forced relocations in Earth's own history. Fine fine fine.<p> Then someone explain to me why the Ba'ku aren't a bunch of COMPLETE FUCKING ASSHOLES once they learn the truth that The Dominion War is threatening TRILLIONS of lives and yet they still refuse to share their fountain of youth with the rest of the galaxy.<p> Oh yeah, cuz they're hot and the Enterprise crew really wants to fuck them.<p> "Once The Dominion enslaves the rest of the galaxy, I'm SURE they won't try to pull that shit with US. After all, we're just too damned cute to enslave! The rest of you can go fuck yourselves."<p> Fuck ... that ... shit ...

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:51 a.m. CST

    TNG's aging

    by maxwell's hammer

    I've actually found that only the first season of TNG ages poorly. They've been running the series on BBC America, and I'm really impressed with how well the show holds up. Except for the first season, which hadn't really nailed the right tone yet and sticks out like a sore thumb.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:55 a.m. CST

    TNG's aging, another point of view.

    by Royston Lodge

    Once they moved the zippers to the back of the uniform, the show stopped aging badly.<p> The uniforms with the zippers at the front are what really ruin the first couple of seasons for me.<p> That, and the shitty sets they used for planetary away missions. Things picked up considerably once they started using location shoots more instead relying completely on soundstages.<p> Hell, I bet folks' opinions of The Motion Picture would be much higher simply if they'd had the awesome-as-fuck red uniforms instead of those stupid-looking 1970s Glam jumpsuits.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    The Voyage Home has its moments.

    by Royston Lodge

    It has aged badly, it's true.<p> But it redeems itself for me because no other Trek production has shown us nearly as many close-ups of a Klingon Bird-of-Prey.<p> That ship was awesome-sauce.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Kirk's death

    by Kaitain

    "I do remember that Kirk's death didn't resonate as it looked a bit like an overweight man falling in the street" <p> (Laughs.)

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

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  • Aug. 26, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Chief Joseph

    I've heard that the blame for Valris-not-Saavik placed on Roddeberry himself, saying that he did not want her to be a traitor. I've always found this suspect because: A) Roddenberry had little to do with the character, why would he care? and B) Roddenberry was very dead at the time they were publicly blaming him and couldn't deny it.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Chief Joseph

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    Nicholas Meyer addresses this. Roddenberry did indeed object to that as well as most of the script. Meyer's response was that he created the character and he could do whatever he liked with her. However, as no-one wanted Robin Curtis back and Kirstie Alley said no after reading the script the studio did not want to cast a 3rd Saavik so they created the character of "Valeris" to replace her. Ironically back when they were casting the Wrath of Kahn, Kim Cattrell was originally cast as Saavik but had to drop out as she was filming another paramount movie which went into overtime and would have caused scheduleing conflicts hence Kirstie Alley got the part.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    More On Kirstie Alley

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    When they filmed the next generation episode where they are caught in a time loop and keep colliding with another ship. When they finally break out of the loop. They hail the other ship which was captained by Kelsey Grammer. They wanted Kirstie Alley to reprise her character of Saavik and play the 1st officer but as it was a non speaking part, she said no!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    is Asimov on vacation?

    by JackGraham

    i expected his name to be all over this talkback.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Star Trek V WAS Unwatchable Due To Shatner's Direction!

    by Merlin_Ambrosius

    It showed why most actors should not direct and especially should not direct movies they also "star in"!

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see ONE Star Trek movie

    by RPLocke

    where the Captain actually follows Starfleet orders, and GASPS, it doesn't cause him trouble. I'm sure it can be done.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by Kaitain

    Star Trek 12: The Uneventful Patrol

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 6:35 p.m. CST

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  • Aug. 26, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    I bet there's one ship in Starfleet that never sees any action and just wanders around.

  • Aug. 26, 2010, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Agnostic paradox? What a crock!

    by Drath

    Anyone using Trek 5 to support their choice to be an atheist or agnostic is just slacking. The fact is God in real life makes a big deal about his identity throughout the scriptures. Kirk asking him for his ID in Trek 5 was absolutely the right response to have because that imposter didn't have one. He responded with force, taunts, and evil laughter. He wasn't God. Only the ignorant can't tell the difference. I really love it when people take "what does God need with a starship" as some variation of asking why God needs to be worshiped (a question that is wrong-minded from the beginning for thinking God *needs* anything from us). Simple truth is he doesn't need a starship. If he wants to use one, he'll do what he pleases with it (like you're gonna stop him?), but that's beside the point. The creature in Trek 5 wasn't God because it DID *need* a starship. Oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure real God is Klingon disruptor proof.

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  • Aug. 26, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Trek V TV Guide blurb

    by filmakr1

    I'll never forget it, laughed my ass off when I read it and I still chuckle hard thinking about it. "Kirk meets God and blows him up" Kinda' sums it all up ...

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Nemesis was the worst because...

    by border5150

    they tried too hard to re-create the ending of Wrath of Khan with the Ent-E getting trashed by the indestructible Reman/Romulan scimtar thing and the death of Data. Data was not given a proper send-off. B4 was craptacular from the get-go. The saddest part in all is the fact that that will probably the last TNG movie. TNG resurrected the franchise and "Nemesis" was their swan song. Sad...

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Star Trek V Is Just A Horrible Movie

    by Media Messiah

    No added special effects could have saved it.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Is AsimovLives dead? Or was that a bad joke?

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  • Aug. 27, 2010, 6:42 a.m. CST

    The Voyage Home?

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Fuck that. Fucking "Sea Shepherd In Space". Bollocks.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Harve is right about the rapid cuts in JJ's Star Trek

    by IronEagle74

    The fact of the matter is that more and more movies these days suffer from ADD editing, and I just can't stand it. For the love of all that's holy, how about letting us all see what's going on so we can understand it? You know, as opposed to cutting so quickly and so often that everything just ends up blending into a blurred mess.

  • Aug. 27, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Harve is right about the rapid cuts in JJ's Star Trek

    by IronEagle74

    The fact of the matter is that more and more movies these days suffer from ADD editing, and I just can't stand it. For the love of all that's holy, how about letting us all see what's going on so we can understand it? You know, as opposed to cutting so quickly and so often that everything just ends up blending into a blurred mess.