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Future Deleted Scene on RETURN OF THE JEDI Blu Ray release! Pre-Jabba Palace... Kinda mega fricken cool!
Yes, I'm aware Quint posted the scene & the news. But I can't not not comment on this, too fucking cool!
Hey folks, Harry here with something kinda crazy awesome geeky cool. At the Star Wars Celebration that is going on right now - Jon Stewart is interviewing George Lucas and it has been revealed that we'll be getting the Original Trilogy on Blu Ray in 2011 (and probably the prequels, but my source didn't specify that) - but the cool news is that we're supposed to be getting some killer deleted scenes - and then they showed this one - which... Well, it looks as though this could have been the original opening of RETURN OF THE JEDI. Feel free to skip below to watch the scene...
Now that's pretty goddamn awesome... I love the notion that since Luke and Vader's encounter in EMPIRE - that during Vader's meditative states, he reaches out with the Dark Side of the Force to affect Luke's thoughts... like an echoey evil conscience. And yeah, then there's just a shot of him tweaking that lightsaber in a cave on Tatooine. This is the shit that gets my geek going into overdrive. Can't wait for 2011.
I also got sent this - which is the whole INTRO to the scene - where Mark Hamill name checks FAMOUS MONSTERS!!! Wooo hoo! And this is the letter that came with the clip from NeoDelRio... Oh - love that Palpatine stuff in the letter:
Hi Harry,
I am attending the Star Wars Celebration V in Orlando, FL. I just got out from the John Stewart interview with George Lucas (with special guests Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher). Please see the video below, and feel free to use. George reveals that the Star Wars Blu-Ray is coming out in 2011, and he shows a never before seen deleted scene from Return of the Jedi. The Scene is also in the video. It starts off with Darth Vader mentally communicating with Luke (to join Dark Side...) and then switches to Luke finishing the final touches on the construction of his new light saber, and then lighting it up. It is a very cool scene, but you can see how it didn't exactly fit in Jedi. Hope I am the first to forward you this info. You can call me NeoDelRio. Not in video, George also said that Emperor Palpatine did indeed kill his former master in his sleep, as was alluded to in Revenge of the Sith.
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Pretty Dope
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You should probably scroll down your own site a little bit.
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Frack.
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Ridiculous. Also ends with 'woo hoo hoo hoo!'
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...correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that in the novelization? Great to finally see it either way...I just very vaugely remember reading something about this back then in '83.
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But fully deserves its own thread. AWESOME.
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We've waited 20 years to see this and you yell during it?
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You're stepping right over Quint. He has this posted already a few articles down.
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for telling me to feel free.
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I would have loved to see the series focus on Vader in full costume on his conflicted path serving the Empire. Maybe also ongoing subplots with undercover resistance fighters trying to destroy the empire from within. We were denied some great lightsaber duels with Vader in full costume and the series would have been a great way to celebrate this iconic character.
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so much better than any lame SW videogame clip showing Starkiller, or 1,000 clones advancing on some who cares planet.
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Aug 14, 2010 5:46:39 PM CDT
Unbelieveable that after 30 years, shit is still out there
by zillabeast
That has yet to be seen by anyone. Did Lucas realize this when he stashed it all away all those years ago?
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My inner geek is going crazy . I haven't felt this way since the Phantom Menace trailers. Woo hoo! George, you are still king.
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Damn this one is new to me!!! Still cant understand why the deleted scenes were not on either of the TWO seperate dvd releases!
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Lucas, you may recommence emptying my wallet periodically. That is fucking awesome. I never thought these rumoured clips would ever see the light of day. Now... how about all the extra Tatooine footage in A New Hope- Luke spotting the space battle with his binoculars... Biggs hanging out at Toshi Station...? I've seen the stills, I know you shot it.
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Here's an amazing star wars fan made movie go check it out!
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Even if it is not put in the film, its great on its own.The problem is, it raises the question of, will it be cleaned up and remastered for the Blu-ray release? If so, how come they will remaster deleted scenes, yet Lucas refuses to remaster the un-altered original trilogy?
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Aug 14, 2010 6:00:48 PM CDT
More exciting than any movie or trailer i've seen this year
by kwisatzhaderach
Yes, i'm serious.
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a whiny little bitch from Tattooine. Full circle. Awesome clip.
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suddenly Star Wars doesn't suck so much, eh?
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Marcia his wife and editor, the one person who could disagree with this maniacal narcissist and not get fired; and Gary Kurtz the man who took Lucas great ideas and made them more than just vapid fluff.Without these people Lucas Ideas never get filtered through critical eyes...as since 1983 he has surrounded himself with Marketing experts and Yes men.
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That really makes me laugh hard.
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That scene had more realism, grittiness, and pathos than anything the prequels gave.
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And as I stated in the other topic, this scene is COOL but not needed. Luke's entrance in Jedi is perfect.
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Look at Lucas sat there as that clip plays. Such a tragic figure. He is a cautionary tale of Shakespearean proportions and he doesn't even know it. Only the idiots cheer for Lucas.
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Sorry your movie bombed, man.
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That was fucking awesome. Return of the Jedi looks dark as fuck in that clip, like a true sequel to Empire.
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You are correct. The clip was cool, but fuck me I'm just embarrassed by that grade-A geek whooping. Just...awful. Get a fucking life you twerps.
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The scene you want to see is also on Youtube. I saw it earlier tonight. Just can't be arsed to go looking for the link for you. Apologies but beer has made me lazy
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Is the feeling of impending conflict. Vader almost pleading with Luke and Luke just standing quietly ready to change the fate of the empire for good with a cold concentrated look on his face, "Fuck you, Vader."
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"Look at Lucas sat there as that clip plays. Such a tragic figure. He is a cautionary tale of Shakespearean proportions and he doesn't even know it. Only the idiots cheer for Lucas."I posted this in the other Star Wars blu-ray topic:"The sad thing about Lucas is that he has become imprisoned by Star Wars. Again, this also applies to Romero with the Living Dead films too.Big difference between the two is that that Lucas lives in a Cheyenne mountain fortress of money.So who's more tragic? Lucas or Romero?I'd say Lucas.He's stuck in Star Wars and even then, he's struck an iceberg and the ship is sinking in terms of quality. He's got all this money to finance any film he could want to make, and all he does is Star Wars merchandise now.All the filmmakers out there with original ideas and a vision but no money would probably kill to have the tools, resources, clout, and financial power that Lucas has but pisses away. Sure it is his money to do with what he pleases, but it still kinda pisses me off."Anyways, you're not the only one who has this opinion on Lucas.
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CHYRON: THE EARLY EIGHTIES...
KURTZ: Ok George, what have you got in mind for 'Revenge...'?
LUCAS: Ewoks.
KURTZ: What?
LUCAS: Ewoks.
KURTZ: And what are --
LUCAS: They're basically teddy bears, but with weapons.
KURTZ: Right...
LUCAS: They'll sell like crazy. To smaller kids.
KURTZ: But what's their function in the story?
LUCAS: Well they're allegorical. It's to do with Vietnam.
KURTZ: Uh-huh... Well, we'll come back to that. So what else?
LUCAS: Ok, check this out...
[Lucas jumps off of his bunk bed]
LUCAS (CONT'D): There's this whole rescue mission... To rescue Han!
KURTZ: Ok, that's more like it. Tell me about it.
LUCAS: Well Lando's there already. He's undercover.
KURTZ: At Jabba's Palace...
LUCAS: Yeah. He's like a guard or something. So then Leia's disguised as a bounty hunter and she brings in Chewbacca for Jabba.
KURTZ: So now they're in too. Ok, go on.
LUCAS: Oh, and the droids are already there. Luke's given them to Jabba as a gift.
KURTZ: Ok.
LUCAS: So Leia frees Han from the carbonite... But then they get caught.
KURTZ: Uh-huh.
LUCAS: And then Luke comes in and he's the most awesomest Jedi ever!
KURTZ: Right.
LUCAS: He saves the day! By killing everyone!
KURTZ: But what are the others doing?
LUCAS: Well Lando sort of... Lando has some trouble with this one guard, so Han and Chewie have to sort of help him out.
KURTZ: So Lando takes out a few bad guys and then comes up against one that's tough to beat?
LUCAS: No. It's the first guard he attempts to fight.
KURTZ: He's undercover for who knows how long and when it comes to the crunch he can't defeat one bad guy?
LUCAS: Well, yeah. Luke's the Jedi.
KURTZ: I know, but... Well...
LUCAS: What's on your mind?
KURTZ: Why doesn't Luke just go in and kill everyone? Why doesn't he just do it by himself? Why are people going in there undercover and as gifts?
LUCAS: Because...
KURTZ: If Luke kills everyone anyway?
LUCAS: Leia kills Jabba though.
KURTZ: Could Luke do it?
LUCAS: Well... Yeah, he could, but... Well, look, I've already written it now. I've written that bit. It took me two days.
KURTZ: Hmm.
LUCAS: And it will mean more toys or course. Because of the different outfits.
[Kurtz sighs]
KURTZ: Ok. What else?
LUCAS: Ok. Brace yourself... Luke and Leia are brother and sister. Leia was the other. Remember? "There is another"?
KURTZ: What?
LUCAS: They're brother and sister! Isn't that cool?
KURTZ: But... But they kissed in 'Empire...' And in 'Star Wars'...
LUCAS: ... 'A New Hope'...
KURTZ: Whatever. In the first one...
LUCAS: ... The fourth one...
KURTZ: Well Luke wanted to fuck her!
LUCAS: And?
KURTZ: ...
LUCAS: You know what your problem is? You don't get that I'm a genius. I'm a visionary. And if I say that Luke and Leia are brother and sister then they're brother and fucking sister. I am sick of your negative attitude. Everyone else says "yes" to me, why can't you? Everyone else is nervous whenever I'm around, but you're just normal. Are you fucking blind? Can't you see that I'm a genius? A GENIUS!
KURTZ: I'm out.
[Kurtz gets up and walks out]
LUCAS: GOOD! I DON'T NEED YOU! I'M GOING TO MAKE MORE STAR WARS FILMS! AND THEY'LL BE HUGE HITS! WITH EVEN MORE TOYS! EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER WILL HAVE A NAME AND A BACKSTORY AND A TOY! SEVERAL TOYS! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TOYS! I'M A GENIUS! I AM A GENIUS! IN THE FUTURE EVERYONE WILL SAY "YES" TO ME! I AM A GENIUS! I AM A GENIUS! -
It looks all kinds of bad ass; and that was sorely needed to counteract the Ewok silliness.
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As I said in Quint's thread, I think this 40 seconds of footage truly deserves to be back in the movie.
It bridges between ESB and ROTJ nicely (it's a quiet, dignified sequence with an ESB 'feel' to it) but most importantly it sets up ROTJ as 'Luke and Vaders movie'. At it's heart that's what ROTJ story is about. The Jabba stuff and the Ewoks add colour (or distraction depending on your pov) but the core of the movie is about Luke and Vader so it's fitting that it begins with this little moment.
Plus it would appear in the movie close to the scene with the Emperor inspecting the death star, providing a nice parallel between the hooded sith (Palpatine) and the hooded jedi (Luke). Last time (the Prequels) Anakin the Jedi chose evil - this time Luke the Jedi would choose good.
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so true. so true.
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Sorry your movie bombed so now you have to take cheap shots at other movies....must be sad to see that your wanna be blockbuster in anything but. Loser, mommy is washing her tit, go home and get dinner, she's waiting.
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"I didn't understand Inception, I didn't care for Inception, or the check did not clear."
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I've got to admit... that clip made the abused and weary Star Wars fan in me SMILE again.
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If you like movies that you just stare at go see it.
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It's Lucas, and to a smaller extent, Spielberg that kick started the crazy blockbuster trend that the studios then ate up and tried to emulate from the early 1980's up until now.Though I'd say things are changing drastically now. Its not even so much blockbuster films they're after, but something else. I don't know what you'd even call it. Not franchises, though that is a part of the larger whole. Maybe brands or media money-wells or something? The suits probably have some fancy names for it, kinda like Wall Street and their "financial instruments". Maybe they've even got acronyms for all this stuff? Either way, it is a disturbing thought for film fans.
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...yeah it seems kinda douchy when you watch it on the internet- but at least that dude dragged himself out from behind his computer and stood in line and paid for a ticket and jumped through whatever hoops lucasfilm probably made people go through to actually be in the same room with Lucas- all we're doing is sitting on our asses. This lost footage reminds me of the time when star wars was just three cool movies that won you over by the power of their creativity- now its just the brand name of a cottage industry that seems wholly devoted to keeping dudes in a state of perpetual adolescence.
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WHY WAS THIS SCENE LEFT OUT OF THE MOVIE!?!?!? What's the logic behind that DAFT MOVE?!?!
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Got right into his first panel just as it was starting. It was pretty amazing.
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"At any rate the scene's 100 times better than the CGI song and dance number Lucas stuck in to Jabbas palace in the SE, no?"This scene finally surfacing yet not being added to the special edition of ROTJ, while the tasteless dance number and all the work it must have took to digitally animate that stupid fucking snouty singing green alien with lipstick and human female lips on the end of said snout. Good God! Between Howard the Duck and this oversight, is more evidence needed to declare that Lucas has completely lost his marbles, and not now, but way back in 97?
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That was pretty effin rad. Completely agree it shouldn't have been in the movie. But it makes me smile to see something like this.
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This should go back in. It's the perfect counterpoint to the end of Empire, with Vader pleading to Luke. Awesome. Could Star Wars be cool again?
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Luke still looks like a queer for the rest of Jedi. It doesn't help Jedi's utter lameness either.
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A tell tale sign that the auditorium smelled like ass after the event.
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Han shot first or god-awful new age music at the end of Jedi?
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"This lost footage reminds me of the time when star wars was just three cool movies that won you over by the power of their creativity- now its just the brand name of a cottage industry that seems wholly devoted to keeping dudes in a state of perpetual adolescence."And why it this scene is simultaneously awesome and tragic.It's really sad that if a filmmaker births and nurtures a good and successful movie into existence, that no matter what that filmmaker does, it is nearly guaranteed that the film will get turned into a "cottage industry" as you say.sequels to Alien and AliensThe Matrix TrilogyStar WarsStar TrekJames BondTerminator (sequels after T2)Back to the Future II and IIIBatman (although fortunately this one got back on track after Nolan became involved)SupermanIndiana JonesJason Bourne films (they're gonna fuck this up by not leaving the trilogy alone and making a fourth film)Lord of the Rings (even if it takes until PJ gets too old to care anymore, someone will pry it from his grip and make a crass cash-in)Of course, we're moving into the era where even the first film doesn't have to be near passable to spawn an bloated franchise (Transformers, Mummy, GI Joe).
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Yeah, I'm a geek. And?
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I am amazed that people would like to see this scene reinstated. Do you guys think, ever? Can any of you figure out why the scene was removed? Furthermore, if the scene was deemed worthy enough to be reinstated, what would need to be changed? You've got ten minutes. Go.
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THAT IS ALL
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Luuuke. Luuuke. I almost killed you. I like how Luke just ignores him.
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all the starwars movies had workprints of 6 hours or so - so george has deleted scenes coming out of his ears, back at his ranch.....
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please george, trim most of the muppet crap from jabbas palace and add extra luke / darth scenes like this.. :)
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This clip did nothing for me. It just depresses me. I loved Star Wars. LOVED it. I just don't anymore. It has faded so much and been so diluted. Maybe I always did overrate it or maybe it was my youthful eyes that got dull over the years or maybe it was the second trilogy being nothing more than a poorly written NBC miniseries. Either way, I cannot believe that I am no longer excited about Star Wars. Like I said on another site, its like a childhood friend I played with every day moved away and when I finally met them again after college it was just awkwardness and memories. Id rather just have the memories any more.
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Aug 14, 2010 7:00:21 PM CDT
Lucas Vs. Kurtz - Who's Still Considered Relevant By Idiots?
by scottpilgrimfan
The answer is Lucas.
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That's the ticket! After that, it's OCPMovie's Classic Editions or ADigitalMan's edits. If you have even a LITTLE love for Star Wars, you owe it to yourself to seek out these fan works. If you can even call Adywan's work "fan" work. That guy has got to be a working artist in film. The output is just too good.
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Blew over $150 bucks on Star Wars toys(got the new AtAt and the new Jabba) and now I'm drinking and watching the OT on Spike TV-Carbon Freezing scene is coming up and then EWOKS!!!! I love those fuzzy basterds!!! I have given so much money to Lucas over the years and will continue to give him money until the day one of us dies. How does that make you feel Scat Pilgrim fans and Star Wasr haters? Oh wait...I dont care. Gonna go scare the dog with my new giant Imperial Walker!!!
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You really are pathetic.
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Most fans are aware of the scene on the beggining where Luke was building his lightsaber, before sending the droids to Jabba's.
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back to back. I still say TPM is one slow ass movie, but I enjoy all the battle scenes. Lucas knows how to plot out awesome battles. The bad guys are always cooler than the good guys except for Artoo. I think the monsters were cool in the arena.
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When PilgrimFan calls someone else pathetic? If that username isn't a proxy being used by a dorm full of math nerds but honestly one single person taking all this time out of their lives to use as they are, this world really is on the brink.
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Aug 14, 2010 7:10:44 PM CDT
Hey, if there really are 6 hour workprints of all the movies...
by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
Maybe somebody could eventually go in and do an overhaul of Jedi. I mean, Lucas has already proven that the original theatrical release is not sacred. If there are more scenes out there like this, who knows? Maybe a new Jedi could be on the level of the other two originals.
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Jealous much? I'm the king of AICN.
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As someone who spent years organising events all over the world, it was always a disappointment to come to the USA and see how little effort was spent on set design. Every stage had pipe and drape (long metal poles with black curtain hanging down) with a few knick-knacks added if you were lucky. Imagine spending millions on transport, thousands on videos and presentations, but designing your stage so it works well on TV, but not for the people attending the event. It looks cheap - but the event probably cost attendees big bucks. That's why US companies hire my former co-workers from Europe to come over and do the important events. As regards the making of Return, check out John Phillip Peecher's 'Making of Return of the Jedi' - it's a great read.
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I feel like a little kid. I've been hearing about that scene of Luke making his lightsaber since I was 9 years old, just got a geekgasm!
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That was a great scene, and personally I think it would have worked very well if had been cut into the film. Watching Luke tweak/construct his lightsaber ruled!
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"The bad guys are always cooler than the good guys except for Artoo." Are you forgetting about Han? Or are you still talking only about the prequels. If it's the latter, I agree wholeheartedly. If it's the former, I have to question your definition of cool.
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Aug 14, 2010 7:18:00 PM CDT
Lucas is playing his last hand. 30 year old deleted scenes
by orionsangels
and i'm dumb enough to bite, nom nom nom!
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It does beg the question, will this blu ray release of these movies be the re-mastered versions, or some awesome cleaned up original theatrical release versions? perhaps even both. I hate the re-mastered versions, I want to see models instead of CG, I want Greedo fried without getting off a single shot. Dammit! I will cling to my letterboxed DVD's of the un-fucked with originals, and pass on all the rest forever if I have to. Deleted scenes or not. Hopefully Lucas will have pity on us now older fans who fondly remember Star Wars before any "re-mastering" happened. Then maybe we won't have to forever on end settle for letterboxed DVD's or, VHS tapes of the real versions of those fine films. Yea, I know, wish in one hand, crap in the other..:-(
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very interesting. I like how Vader is in his regeneration pod thing from ESB. However, if that scene had been included in the film, some of the tension when Luke walks the plank on the skiff would have been negated. And the pay off when R2 fires the lightsaber over to Skywalker also would of had less impact.
As ROTJ stands now, when Luke does that Cirque du Soleil/Ninja shit you are thinking "WOW!" Then when he catches his weapon there is this "I knew it!" moment followed by "HOLY SHIT ITS GREEN! Jabba's dudes are soooo screwed!"
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That both the original cuts and special editions are included ala Blade Runner. That would be sweet.
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B+. Good effort.
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Aug 14, 2010 7:29:10 PM CDT
Han Solo talking to alien chick in Mos Eisley Cantina maybe?
by orionsangels
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Very damn cool actually. I too wonder why the hell that was cut to begin with? Then I think, oh, it's simple, Ewoks sell toys, give more screen time to Ewoks, of course.
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Aug 14, 2010 7:31:49 PM CDT
That scene meant more to me than “Avatar” and “Inception” combin
by bluehorseshoelovesanacottsteel
It's true.
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did it look like it was from 1983? My inner skeptic is debating whether or not it's new footage filmed to present on the blu-ray release as an "old deleted scene".
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Holy shit, there is still stuff out there we've not seen yet? That sequence is astonishing, GL has sat on this for thirty years? And to answer the question, the novelisation starts with Luke adjusting his new lightsaber and moving to place it in R2. No Vader interrupting his thoughts. Guess I need me a BR player after all...
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"I am amazed that people would like to see this scene reinstated. Do you guys think, ever? Can any of you figure out why the scene was removed? Furthermore, if the scene was deemed worthy enough to be reinstated, what would need to be changed? You've got ten minutes. Go."At this rate, why not? Lucas has completely bungled up the original trilogy for good with his "special editions". And someone mentioned seamless branching. Fuck yes. There is no reason beyond Lucas being a stubborn SOB as to why we couldn't get the special editions, the originals remastered, and maybe even extended cuts with scenes like this added back in.Hell, look what Ridley Scott and Warner Bros. did with the Blade Runner 5-disc set a few years ago. If we can get 5 different versions of Blade Runner and two versions of each Alien film, basic logic implies that we could get both versions of the original Star Wars trilogy as well. It's too bad that logic has all but packed up and left Skywalker Ranch.
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I think in the originating article, it stated that the blu-rays will be of the special editions. It also said something about Lucas now referring to the originals not as "workprints" but as the "classics" and stating that they didn't have the workforce/budget to convert both special editions and classics to blu-ray. So here's hoping to the "Classics" on blu-ray in the future.
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That scene definitely doesn't belong in RETURN OF THE JEDI. Vader's entrance in ROTJ is perfect. Luke's entrance in ROTJ is perfect. Luke's lightsaber entrance in ROTJ is perfect. And every one of those entrances in the film is part of an actual scene. While totally fucking cool, these deleted shots (can't really call it a scene) just rehashes exactly what we saw at the end of TESB. The only real reason to include it is thematically. Luke's struggle with possibly being overtaken by the Dark Side. But it's much better having that be revealed subtly in the Emperor's Throne Room than clumsily being hit over the head with it immediately.
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Otherwise people might wait ala Lord of the Rings and the extended editions of those. With this strategy, the majority of the fans will buy this set, as well as the one with the classic versions a few years down the road.
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after the Blurays are released, someone will take the deleted scenes and insert them into the film and call it the definitive versions or something like that.
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More like "GL has shat on this for 30 years"
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I just want the damn classic versions, not the SE ones.
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Can we get the original films in their original theatrical versions released on Blu-ray? It makes sense to release a six film box set with every film tweaked to Lucas' current version, but can the wait for a Original Trilogy Archive Blu-ray set be two years or less?
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but unnesessary. Cool scene no doubt but it diminishes the impact of the scene of Luke arriving at Jabba's palace.
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Perhaps someone in the know can chime in here, but didn't Ford prefer not to appear in ROTJ? So he suggested to Lucas that Han died from being entombed in carbon freeze in ESB - end of story? Was Solo's death at the Endor bunker fan speculation or was there a death scene written for Han in ROTJ? I always thought Ford was not contractually obligated to appear in Jedi and this was his suggestion to get written out of the franchise?
I remember seeing an interview with Lawrence Kasdan concerning his writing on Jedi and he suggested to Lucas "someone should die early in the third act to raise the stakes." I assumed he meant Lando. If Kasdan was under the early assumption that Ford was not participating in the film this would make sense and I believe while Kasdan discussed this, they even showed B roll of Billy Dee Williams in the Falcon cockpit.
It would have worked even with Ford's participation. Han does gaze at the Millennium Falcon and say something like "I've got a weird feeling that I'll never see her [the Falcon] again." Killing Lando during the assault on the Death Star II would have worked dramatically. That would have shocked the hell out of me as a kid and given Jedi the desired tension Kasdan wanted.
In contrast, it would have been strange if Solo had been killed at the bunker since he had just been saved in the fist act of the film.
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Not Han. Lando died when he flew out of the death star and got caught in the explosion.
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I'm assuming that we're getting an all digital Yoda in ' Phantom Menace'?
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I hate you so fricking bad.
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A stupid 30 second dumb piece of shit clip that was cut from a movie that was already a dumb piece of shit? Really? You stupid fucks that are having orgasms over this tripe really ought to be driving off a cliff somewhere. Think of it as your way of making a better world.
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Aug 14, 2010 8:24:32 PM CDT
IMO, only PART of this is from the actual deleted scene...
by admonisher
...namely, the shots of Luke. The rest looks like it's probably outtake footage from ESB and ROTJ. According to Mike Matessino (who wrote about this scene in the RCA special edition soundtrack liners), Vader was originally supposed to be in the Emperor's throne room. That makes more sense than rebuilding the whole "hibernation chamber" set just for that one shot. I imagine they shot the Luke footage and recorded the Vader dialogue, but never shot (or never finished) the rest of the footage. So when putting this "deleted scene" together, they used various outtakes to fill in the gaps. That's the theory that makes the most sense to me, anyway. Of course, SOME version of this scene must have appeared in the rough cut for John Williams to have scored it. And even if this new scene is partially comprised of old outtake footage, it's still very cool...
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Aug 14, 2010 8:24:57 PM CDT
So Luke was just hanging out in a cave when the droids went to J
by dickbuttkiss
Man, that must have been boring. Maybe he went to the Tattoine Wal-Mart to kill some time.
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They don't give you enough freaking characters around here.
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No, he probably went back to the Falcon wit Leia and Chewbacca. He had to sneak his lightsaber into Jabba's palace so he could retrieve it later.
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Han is simply a vessel men use to mask their inner homosexuality.
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But, I am not a geek. Hearing somebody screech over a short, missing "scene" is absolutely hilarious and creepy. Although I did stand in line for a while to see "Jedi" in 83, I hid from the news reporters, because some weirdo was dressed like Yoda, and somebody else brought along their fucking Star Wars toys. It was sad. One guy came up a minute before the ticket window opened, and offered me $100 (in 83) to buy him two tickets - I just let him pay for mine, actually. I guess I'm not a whore, like Lucas. "Jedi" was a huge disappointment for me. I do remember a "Jaws 3-D" trailer being booed hilariously, which makes a lot more sense to me, than squealing with glee over a 90 second "Jedi" outtake in 2010.
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That guys laughter is heard across the world.
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I seem to remember this being in the book or some other publication back when the movie came out.
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Aug 14, 2010 8:39:22 PM CDT
Looks badass! The Ewoks insertion nearly killed the drama!
by hollywoodhellraiser
They(the Ewoks) and Jabba's personal band were the beginning of Lucas throwing kiddie fare into SW!
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...with music on either side of the footage screened at CV. So you can expect the final DVD version to be a little longer -- at least, I hope so!
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I remember look constructing his lightsaber in the book, but not Vader calling out to him. Hell, I didn't know this scene existed! Only one I knew of was the sandstorm scene.
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Will Lucas put Vader's theme into New Hope, since it makes NO FUCKING SENSE that it's not there, when it's in EVERY other movie?
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Blueray here I come....
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Yep, I'd agree with you on that about just reusing scenes from ESB.
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...it didn't have anything about him hearing Vader's voice. I don't know when knowledge about that part was first released to the public, but I first read about it in the ROTJ special edition CD liner notes (written by Mike Matessino) back in '97: "After a bold resolution of Vader's theme, the music continues with TATOOINE RENDEZVOUS, most of which accompanies a sequence eliminated from the film. In it, Vader uses the Force to contact his son, Luke Skywalker." Then, earlier today, Matessino posted on Facebook: "The scene doesn't appear to be as it was originally. Vader was supposed to be in the Emperor's throne room, but here it looks like they used outtakes from 'The Empire Strikes Back' of the meditation chamber." Which, as I posted above, makes sense to me...
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I will save my $$ for the Classics on Blu too. Thanks for the info.
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Yes, it's a very short scene. Why the excitement? It puts a new spin on the entire movie to know that Vader is screwing with Luke's head the whole time, thus the coolness. Some of you need to peel you focus off the scene itself and expand you thinking a little.
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and yet read the shitty EU like it's going out of style.
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--did I get all tingly when I saw that clip?? I enjoyed that MORE than all 3 prequels--
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Lucas acts like he's doing something for the fans after decades of fuck jobs. I'm not buying it.
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To the douche saying he hates that he doesnt love it anymore. You know what- the trilogy generation had their own prequel hell as well. It was called the Holiday special. Even with a flawed backstory in play I still love starwars, and I always will. Remakes dont ruin the originals. Prequels didn't ruin the Holy Trilogy!
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long way from the days of whining about going to the Tosche station.
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My whole life I've had a memory of a scene where Luke is building/tweaking his lightsaber. Is it possible this was shown in theaters, then removed?
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All that shit with biggs and Luke seeing the battle from space. Here they are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcOeKwvNJ0w&feature=youtube_gdata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zkvkgwMW0w&feature=youtube_gdata
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the film more times per day per cinema. They would have missed out on one showing per cinema if they kept it in. That is the only damn reason it was cut out.
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Lol, no you didn't.
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it never got put in the can. The trimmed the fat off of this film way in advance to releasing it.
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But what other "deleted scenes" will Lucas put on the Blu-Rays? They might only throw on little bits like this, which really don't work IN the movie, or a well-known scene with 20 seconds tacked on to the end. We're not going to see much re-inserted into the movies. Reinserting scenes really effs up the pacing of the movies (I'm looking at you, Jabba.) I'd really love for Lucas to put every frame of film that still exists for Star Wars onto these disks, but it ain't gonna happen, and frankly, a lot of it wouldn't really work IN the movies. Adywan did it right. Greedo shot first, some SFX were cleaned up, maybe MAYBE the Imperial March in ANH, and that's it. I don't want to see Luke taking 10 minutes to talk to his friends who all hate him. We know Luke sucks on Tatooine. We don't need to see what a dork he actually is. We don't need to see a blurry-ass sandstorm with sappy dialogue. Give us a disk solely of deleted scenes from all 6 movies, and I'll be perfectly happy. I know the context and where they should be. I don't want a 4-hour version of any SW movie. They work NOW because the pacing and plot works. Adding scenes back in makes lots of stuff redundant, and just takes up space.
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The first one is the uncut Han intro. Sorry that they are so close together doing this from my cell and apparently I can't seperate shit into paragraphs.
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Aug 14, 2010 9:27:50 PM CDT
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke
by anything but tangerines
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I am so sick of Star Wars nerds clapping everytime anything happens on a screen involving Star Wars. OH MY GOD DARTH VADER SAID SOMETHING....CLAP CLAP CLAP...OH MY GOD ITS LUKE SKYWALKER...CLAP CLAP CLAP...OH MY GOD HE TURNED ON A LIGHTSABER...CLAP CLAP CLAP.GOD DAMN VIRGINS
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include an exclusive piece of gum scraped from the ranch's editing room with a certificate of authenticity as well?
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With all the crazy sci-fi goings-on crammed into every shot, the detail DOES NOT upconvert well and I can't stand watching them like this on a huge TV, which they should be seen on. The prequels especially with the intricate cityscapes and space battles LOOK LIKE SHIT in SD, and the score and effects DEMAND lossless audio, so I really hope they dont stretch this tease out until next Christmas but I would count on it.
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and then theres some missing yoda stuff from empire. The scene where he instructs luke to use his lightsaber to cut a tossed metal bar into a specific number of pieces. Then theres the cut scene or wampa invasion at the rebel base on hoth, and c3po tearing the warning stick off of the holding cells where the wampa held in and the stupid snow troopers opening that door and getting fucked up.
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and claim they were lost deleted scenes. It would be hillarious if he did this
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...the movie and the jackass in these talkbacks are complete and utter shite. I'll leave a steaming pile of rancid feces on your grave.
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by the time Jedi came out, it was already a huge merchandising monster. hell it was more or less already there by the time Empire was released. look at something like Poltergeist, its almost a commecial for Star Wars toys and it came out before Jedi. lol
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Because a bunch of geeks are screeching over a seconds-long outtake. I "get" the implications of the scene, but I had always assumed that Luke was likely being tortured by Vadar in such a manner, without a short scene to verify it. This behavior is what it is - geeky, creepshow, dirty-Underoos fanaticism.
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to fix the deleted scenes that did not work. Like the Yoda cut into pieces scene. Like special edition versions of the cut scenes. Hiw anyone can gripe about this is beyond me. If theres plans to included them into a special reinsert version of the film then shit like that would make even more sence, because some of those scene just did not work.
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Especially being one of the many that actually grew up with these movies and enjoying them in the theatre. Hope to see more and more of these appear in the future.
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It goes from Vader in the elevator to suddenly in a mediation chamber. Why not just open up with Vader in the chamber. The cut to Luke is odd too.
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I mean that was bad-ass! The shadow of the hood just hits all the right beats. Could you imagine if they had played up Luke's temptation towards the dark side? Yes, there's Ewoks and singing aliens, but ROTJ has the great emotional payoff of Vader redeeming himself. It would have played even stronger had they amped up Luke's temptation. I hope they go whole hog with the deleted scenes. It would be awesome for fans to make their own cuts from the material. That would be the definitive film school in a box that Lucas used to talk about. He really used to care about using Star Wars as an educational tool, then he got way too protective when he should have embraced people making their own cuts. It would be the ultimate flattery. Many people want to improve or put their own touch on something that they enjoy; this ideal should be embraced.
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how about lucus use the money to digital restore the xmas special or even invent a time machine to make that bit of crap disappear from the face of the earth
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As others have already said would make a great addition
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I saw the original Star Wars in 1977 with my parents and cousins. I was only 5 years old. I vaguely remember it, but I remember loving it with a passion! Empire and Jedi I also saw in a theater. I really loved how epic and ambitious they were, I felt like I was watching something badass! That was kicking the ass of all other movies. That's how my childish mind worked then. I also loved the soundtrack. You can also say I was intrigued by the Universe of Star Wars. I wanted to know more about the characters. The ships and planets. I had this fascination with Star Wars for a while. I also think of good memories when I recall seeing Star Wars for the first time. So you may have a point. It helps to see these films when you're real young, to grow infatuated with them.
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Aug 14, 2010 10:32:30 PM CDT
Return of the Jedi is the greatest MOVIE OF ALL TIME
by takingscorpioscalls
In time you and your friends on the Endor moon will realize this.
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Okay, I'll be watching the scene, but where's that scene I WANT? The Jerjerrod choking scene they cut? The Emperor's guards come to his rescue and Vader has to stand down. OHH YEAAH!
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Aug 14, 2010 10:38:17 PM CDT
Too bad Luke allows himself to be capture after this scene!
by hollywoodhellraiser
By Jabba henchmen no less! Its easy to say he should have went in there and destroy Jabba but then again the plan was to rescue Han.However, after Han was rescue Luke did go off'd and started killing bitches left and right!Funny, how the force told him in some way that Jabba would be killed and he was, but by Leia instead!Anyways this new deleted scene gives us some new "What Ifs" to talk about.
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Does give me a vibe of ESB and not the antics later on in ROTJ...
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Short simple (that's what she said), dark. Almost has a two towers feel to it. Just adding this one scene could have drastically altered the tone of the film for the better. Love that Luke is really looking like palpatine, love the droids waiting outside, love how the drama flows from empire right into this scene. Love.
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any fucking CGI creature they added to the original trilogy! That scene also embodied the kind of feel the prequels SHOULD have had.
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Aug 14, 2010 11:01:21 PM CDT
That one scene better than THE WHOLE FUCKING PREQUEL TRILOGY
by judaspriestly
Sad, but true. :(
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The plan was to get out of Jabba's palace using the sail barges. If you notice during the movie. He knew that was the easiest way.
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Aug 14, 2010 11:09:26 PM CDT
after this release the fanedits are going to be immaculate
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
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not allowing him entrance to see the Emperor will probably be another deleted scene.Remember in the ROTS, Yoda force throwing the two Imperial Guards to enter Palpatine's office.
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should have been cut in between the Emperor and Vader walking through the Death Star II and the droids approaching Jabba's Palace.
It doesn't matter if it "ruins" the lightsaber reveal at the Sarlacc Pit. The point of RoTJ is not a quick surprise at seeing that R2 was hiding a lightsaber...the point of the entire movie is the battle for Luke's soul.
Will he succumb to the temptation of the Dark Side or will be find a way to confront his Father without turning evil himself?
This scene sets up that conflict, and it does so in such a short amount of time, there's no logical reason it should ever have been cut. -
Yours easily makes the 100th one or so that been mention throughout the site!Another BIG thanks for plugging it in Harry's review of Scott Pilgrim thread too!Don't forget there several more similar threads you can put that little info in as well!
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... Nothing...this does nothing for me at all. Lucas has raped my wallet so many times that even a new scene like this is boring and uninspiring.
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For those who don't, I can't see why its difficult for them to see the value of this scene?It really match Luke tone throughout ROTJ. Dude was conflicted throughout the whole thing.Even the Ewoks singing and happiness couldn't bring him peace!He should have slaughtered them all! No way should they been allowed to get the drop on him!Damn you, Lucas! Damn you!!!
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That would seem to be the implication if he's just finishing it now. Mad props for your suddenly expert skills on the sail barge after all this time, Luke 'ol buddy...
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I just realized that Luke in RotJ is like Duke from GI Joe. They both allow themselves to be captured a bunch of times, and then save the day. But I digress.
Lots of the people on this TB are backing me up, without even realizing it. Deleted scenes are often deleted for a reason. They're repetitious, they slow a movie down, they're just unnecessary, the cinematography is poor, the acting is poor, etc. "So Luke's had ZERO lightsaber practice since Empire?" "a new scene like this is boring and uninspiring. " Like I said before, I don't want scenes like this thrown into a movie I've seen and enjoyed 100 times. I liked RotJ the way it was. The Jedi Rocks scene just slowed it down and made it sillier. This scene would just make it drag. -
or do I have to buy it together with the kiddie friendlier remakes that came a few years ago?
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just fucking DOPE!!!!
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versions on Blu-ray, with all the deleted scenes as extras.
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http://tinyurl.com/2vv989x
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Harry come on! I refuse to believe you don't know exactly what this scene was, what was intended, why it was cut, etc. You are a SW geek!
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through sunlit lanes. :)
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Darker, more complex. More like Empire. Just this deleted scene alone was better than the whole goddamn movie. But also I was just reminded at how powerful Star Wars is. This is the most mezmerized in a long time while watching a piece of film, even if it's a deleted scene. That is the power if Star Wars done right. It really makes me sad that it all went wrong. Think of all the Star Wars movies that could have been, that would have been made proper...
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The Imperial army would be toppled by fur balls a few weeks later.
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Aug 15, 2010 2:25:47 AM CDT
"Luuuke. Luuuke. I almost killed you. I like how Luke just ignor
by takingscorpioscalls
hah that sounds a bit reality.
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You're defending the Phantom Menace. You actually have a copy of that movie and watch it over and over again, but JUST because the battle scenes are great. Because fake looking CGI battles between soulless robots are still thrilling. Face it, Lucas fucked it all up and is surrounded by yes men, which includes all of you dumb mutherfuckers.
I still would buy Star Wars and Empire, but not this retitled Episode IV and V bullshit he's trying to push on you suckers. -
I'm awake now, its a bit sad that 30 seconds of film should blow your mind so much, BUT IT DOES !
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I liked part 4. Not as good as Part 5 but way better than Part 6. But these 3 were much better than parts 1-3. Oh, how the series improved with time. I like how The Force starts off as a scientific condition then morphs into a mystical power as the movies got better.
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I side with it not being reinserted into the film. I like the 1995 THX versions and would have loved for those to have come out on DVD.
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you're a douchetard. that is all
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Why was this never in the original movie? Who decided not to ad it? Or did Lucas know if he added it 30 years after we will all go and buy the DVD, again.
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Just kiddin'. That deleted scene is cool. I love me some Star Wars. I just can't bring myself to buy more of it. Doesn't help that I've seen them all in HD on TV either... Maybe I'll hold out for the ultimate deluxe 3-D collectors edition in 2013.
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Surely.
Personally, I loved this. The darkness of empire creeping into the start of jedi, the cowled face of Luke, very similar to how we last see Anakin.
Let's be honest, if there were a set of films released with ALL the extra/deleted scenes we've ever found and a few new ones, we'd all be buying it. The only way to repair the watering down of this franchise now (if it's possible at all) is through revealing canon material.
And don't kid yourself, you'd all buy it. Full scenes on tattoine from ep.4 repaired/built, the sandstorm from ep.6 after the rescue and god knows how many other bits he's got stashed away.
That's what should be on any new releases of the OT. Those films should be at least half an hour longer each, with restored footage from the time. It's the only way to regain any credibility. -
they included the original and the restored versions of the films. My guess is that won't happen.
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This news was posted on comingsoon.net about 16hrs ago (minus the cool deleted scene clip) saying that it will be released in Fall 2011 and in a box set of all 6 movies. Again the prequels will get shoved down our throats only to leave a bitter after taste that you just can't spit out.
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No! Damn you Lucas! You almost suckered me in again you son of a bitch.
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I think this LA Times article is even more interesting http://tinyurl.com/35ltv3u
It takes a look back with producer Gary Kurtz at what Return of the Jedis could have looked like if he and Mr. Beardy hadn't split up.
It also mentions a new project of Kurtz called "Panzer 88" on which he is working with WETA right now.
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In the words of the youtube sensation in regards to George lucas and Starwars. "leave Her alone" please leave Starwars alone".
Seriously I adore Starwars but these films are becoming like an overworked piece of Art. STOP IT please. This new scene surves no purpose to the movie. Seriously what does it add to an already great movie, besides being an excuse to cash in again by the skywalker ranch. Seems to me that Lucas is becoming a one trick pony, and thats a shame cause he created proberbly one of the few great and iconic movies of all time. But please please its time to stop. You are ruining these movies credability. Starwars original trilogy and original theatrical release will always rule -
I'm only buying the Blu Rays if they are the original theatrical versions.
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Why don't the Jedi just mind trick the stormtroopers into not attacking? We saw that they're easily mindtricked when Obi did it the original.
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People going crazy over a 40 sec deleted scene from the LOTR, TDK or Avatar? It will never happen. Star Wars has an enduring power that is undeniable.
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"Why don't the Jedi just mind trick the stormtroopers into not attacking? We saw that they're easily mindtricked when Obi did it the original."
Because sometime between the late 70s and the late 90s, George forgot that the Jedi were some cool, reserved order of awe-inspiring mystics, akin to sorcerers or wizards, and decided they were a bunch of lightsaber-happy Special Forces wannabes who led clone/stormtroopers into battle like fucking Sgt. Rock or something... -
Makes Vader look like a Jewish Mother, nagging his son endlessly ("Bubbala! Join the Dark Side already! And EAT! You're so thin...") and yeah, it does make it look like Luke just got around to finishing his lightsaber an hour or two before meeting Jabba.
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Because that only works on stormtroopers that are bored outta their skulls having their brains baked away on the planet that is farthest from the bright center to the universe. Also, the original stormtroopers were still Jango Fett clone bad-asses whereas the stormtroopers in episodes 4-6 were 2nd generation numbskulls that could only fly TIE fighters or drive AT-AT or AT-ST well. Firing weapons that weren't computer assisted wasn't their forte. Other than the deaths of a bunch of crouched men in a hallway on the blockade runner (fish in a barrel?), stunning Leia and later shooting her left arm - their marksmanship with hand weapons simply didn't equal the first production line. How's that for a convoluted yet believable reason?
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No other film in the last 30 years has had the cultural impact of Star Wars. Shit, nobody is talking about the Lord of the Rings or The Dark Knight NOW, let alone in 20 years time...
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I agree though that it was cut to keep Luke's first appearance in the film more dramatic. Also, in that scene Lucas wanted to show us Luke's skills, but later thought that the demonstration of his force choke and force persuasion would suffice.
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And I haven't even been interested in Star Wars in a while. Too bad they didn't open the movie with that scene.
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Ruins the R2 is a badass vibe. Sorry. The reveal that R2 and Luke had the whole sail barge scene planned out way in advance is greatness -- as is the reveal of the green saber on the diving board. Keep this in the extras where it belongs.
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The guy yelling 'Yeeeeeaaaauuggghh'
is not cool.
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Thats fucking awesome. A lot better than the deleted scene from New Hope, where its just Luke being bitched out by his friends.
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Aug 15, 2010 9:38:59 AM CDT
I truly believe these blu rays will redeem Lucas
by bp_drills_america_a_new_asshole
for the prequels. The hate will dissipate. I don't regard the prequels as "proper" Star Wars. I regard them as something he did for kids, almost like a spin off thing. These blu rays ARE proper Star Wars, and they could be the best thing Lucas has given us since ESB in 1980.
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harry is no forry
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What's interesting is that, moreso than his other shots in a cloak, it paints Luke as an Emperor-like figure. In the back of my imagination, there was an idea that Sith Lords survived as spirits, passing into whoever slew them and possessing them. In that mindset, the shot acts as a nice book end to the "strike me down with all of your hate" taunt by the Emperor.That said, I've decided that Lucas has enough of my money ... as a rule, I don't buy new copies of movies in different mediums.
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that the Star Wars is now so bad I just don't care at all anymore. Really, Empire-was the greatest film of all time, and now...I haven't been able to watch any of the OT for years after that horrendous money grabbing talentless shitestorm that was the PT. And then the mutiple releases of the OT over the years with new sound, new scenes, new docs, new picture, again and again and again, money money money money money. You'll buy this, then the huge 6 movie set, then the ORIGINAL OT(rather than the Specials), then the subsequent 3D release(specials), then another OT release(originals) ad infinitum. However, sadly, I'd be excited to have all those lovely boxes gleaming on my shelf side by side, but Star Wars just really has the taint now. And it's a shame. This just does not excite me in the least. Sad times....
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the whole point is at that at the beginning of ROTJ, we have no idea that he is armed when he walks in there until the moment of the saber reveal. this scene would've ruined that from the get-go. I also thought it was a parody at first...
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plants on websites are annoying, but plants in theaters at events making a bigger deal of scenes like that jackass yelling "YEAH!" is fucking unnecessary.
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I have an old copy of SFX, a british SF mag, which has an interview with Gary Kurtz, and yes Han Solo was supposed to die in Jedi. Ford, Kasdan and Kurts all agreed that's what should happen. Han had nothing to live for, according to Ford, and he felt the character should have been killed. I think I remember Kurtz also saying that it would have had a bigger effect since they had gone through that shit at the beginning to get him back, only to have him die in the last act. Leia was of course never intended to be Luke's sister either. Of course, Lucas wasn't interested in solid storytelling by this point so he fired Kurtz to regain control of the film and essentially hired two yes men to produce and direct Jedi. After Empire, which to him was a disaster, he was now back in control, hence: Ewoks, a reduced sense of tension and the biggest cop-out to a romantic triangle of all time: "oh wait, we're siblings?! Fuck, that would have been hilarious! It doesn't mean anything now! Aw, you two crazy kids go off and bone, I'll sit here and practice my lightsaber skills." Pathetic.
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Since the prequels, Star Wars has been pretty much dead to me, but wow, that made the kid in me get excited.
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Thx man. Interesting to get a full and comprehensive account about the whole thing. Although I do think it would have been awkward in a narrative sense to kill off Han after all that rescue stuff in act 1.
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Doesn't ROTJ take place only about 2 months after TESB? Ok so, what would be the big deal about it taking a few months for Luke to construct a lightsaber for the first time? Besides, being a Jedi is not just about swinging a sword around. If you think he'd have to be "practicing" with a lightsaber all that time to be able to do what he does at Jabba's, that's absurd. He doesn't do anything with a saber at Jabba's that he doesn't do (although much less successfully) on Bespin where he obviously was skilled enough to impress Vader. He could have been meditating and becoming more atuned to the Force before attempting to rescue Han (thus finally taking Yoda's advice from TESB). And who cares if his saber is fracking GREEN? Ok WOW its a new color!?! Big deal. If this deleted scene had been in the original film, you people excited by the Green saber would have been just as excited to see the new color in this scene as you were seeing it on the Sail Barge, so I don't get that argument. Also, just seeing Luke stash his saber away inside R2 does not diminish the surprise later because A) You don't konw when or how they will deploy their plan and B) Knowing Luke has the saber hidden away actually builds a different kind of tension and intrigue throughout all those scenes..."When's he going to get it from R2 and what will happen when he does?!?"
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never seen so much douchiness overflowing from the same source. constantly.
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Aug 15, 2010 11:07:23 AM CDT
That's not Mark Hamill & that's not Dave Prowse in the Chamber!
by ceejaynightwing
Hamill says he never shot the scene, Anthony Daniels said they only shot external 3PO scenes and that's it! Yet here is the entire scene complete with FX and music. Well The stock footage of Vader walking around and into the lift are from original ROTJ shots. The one of him in the chamber has the new helmet from Revenge of the Sith so that's fake! And the guy under the hood definitely aint Hamill so that's fake too! Lucas just making up stuff to generate another " YOU MUST COLLECT FANBOY!!" atmosphere for the Blu Ray release!
If you go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczClAxhCEM&feature=player_embedded you'll hear it from Hamill himself! Ad if you go here: http://starwarz.com/starkiller/2010/05/revenge-of-the-jedi-expanded-script/ You'll read the shooting script of this scene which has no Meditation chamber shot and different dialogue! And if you go here: http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=11&p2_articleid=428 You'll read about the guy who built the original saber that's not in this scene! It's meant to show working parts etc. Lucas no doubt meant to film this scene like so many others that never got done. But just like the stuff on the Prequel DVD's he's simply remade the sequence from new and old shots, sans the original script and proclaim them as lost footage newly found! -
Aug 15, 2010 11:07:50 AM CDT
HARRY - have you seen the John Stewartrooper action figure?
by aka_gern_blanston
Apparently Lucas persented Stewart with his very own action figure as a thank you for emceeing the event. It even has removeable heads for Stewart with and without the goatee. If you haven't seen it it's awesome and hilarious. http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/08/14/jon-stewart-stormtrooper.aspx
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You don't see Luke practicing his lightsabre skills during his training with Yoda. You also don't see Anakin practicing in the prequels with Obi Wan. Jedis just meditate and the fighting comes naturally to them. That's my take anyway.
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George,
You can do what you want. Keep tweaking until you're satisfied. Every time you rerelease Star Wars or have a new movie, it's gold. Just make sure we have a good quality version of the 77', 80', and 83' originals. That's a very small price to keep us happy as we buy all this reworked stuff, which is interesting, but not really the versions we love.
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When I was a little kid seeing the original Star Wars on TV for the first time (I was one year old when it came out), the appeal to me was not so much the lightsabers as the X-Wings and especially the Millenium Falcon. When I dreamed of being Luke Skywalker it was as an ace X-Wing pilot, not as some whiney douche with a glowing sword.
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Aug 15, 2010 11:40:19 AM CDT
How about some remastered original versions of the OT, George?
by spyguy
Otherwise, there's absolutely no point in buying these movies YET AGAIN in Blu-Ray.
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No more Trilogies. Just One Fucking Episode. That. Would. Be. AWesome.
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Lucas said during the blu ray announcement that the original OT versions will eventually hit blu-ray but are a few years off. And though you'll never hear me say Lucas doesn't like to milk the wookie tit for all it's worth, I can understand his reasoning. He said that the Special Editions were already digitally remastered back in the late 90's, and converting them to blu-ray will be a breeze. The original versions, though, are so old, dirty, and the matte-shots so noticably visible even on DVD, that it will take a few years to properly clean them up and prepare them for HD. Therefore, though he promised they were already at work on that process, they decided to release the SE's next year because otherwise we would be waiting three years minimum for SW on blu ray. Sucks, but after seeing the originals on DVD a few years ago, I can believe it.
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CORRECTION: George should oversee an Episode 7, or even a 7-9, as long as someone else writes the script and directs. He should be involved in story, but let someone else write it like he did with Empire and Jedi. THAT would give us the best chance at a good trilogy, unlike the prequels which were okay at best with George in control.
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Aug 15, 2010 12:02:33 PM CDT
Wait, So He Built His Lightsabre During A Rescue Mission?
by laserpants
Seems... stupid. Btw, don't own a bluray player, don't plan to own one until they're as cheap as dvd players, and even then, I REFUSE to give Lucas anymore money. He's got plenty, I already own the movies. No need to buy them again.
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Aug 15, 2010 12:04:06 PM CDT
Best part of Celebration was Slave Leia admiring my DUNE shirt
by george newman
my friend was taking pics of her sitting with Jabba and then he caught a candid of her gaping at my Kwisatz Haderach shirt, and then she invited 2 o' us over for pics too.
http://tinyurl.com/2cphsrb
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Please tell me you at least TRIED to get her number, ask her out for a drink, and fuck her.
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looosers!!
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CUT!
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but she also kind of looks like Emile De Ravin from Lost.
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If you download the 720p version and look at the first two shots that are merely stock footage, they have momentary specks of dirt in them as is natural for old film stock. The next two shots have ZERO specks of dirt, they are newly filmed and probably shot with digital camera as is Lucas's favourite way to film these days. Ergo, NOT Dave Prowse in the makeshift chamber and not Mark Hamill in the other new scene made up to finish the sequence and claim it as lost footage! Anything to give fanboys a reason to buy more SW on home video!
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Wish I coulda done more, but it was a bit of a mob scene.
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This is all kinds of awesome. I've waited years to see this. That final shot with R2 looks just like the original storyboard of that scene. COOL!
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and the added CGI looks ESPECIALLY bad in high def. George can afford to back up a few steps and take some of those changes back out. It looks REALLY bad!
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Aug 15, 2010 12:43:42 PM CDT
cant wait to discover the princess leia raped by chewie deleted
by gorgomel
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She came out on stage a few minutes later and totally changed the tone of the interview . it's was pretty funny, and more shocking than the stuff SNL made Betty White spew.
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Why did they even call it Jedi Rocks anyway? It's in Jabba's palace. I guess because it supposedly make Return of the Jedi rock? Unbelievable. By far the stupidest thing I've ever seen in a Star Wars movie.
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the Wampa attack on Echo base, and 3-PO ripping the warning sticker off of the room full of Wampas. It might be worth it just for that.
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We've made a lot of advances since 97. We've redone the CG for the Blurays. Haha!
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They just give it a name to release it on a single
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Darth Vader to me was the coolest, baddest, villian ever. A new movie really has to be made with him. How about the story between episode 3 and 4. There is a lot of story to be told. The public obviously wants more Vader. Lucas really dropped the ball on the prequels. They are so bad, I really think Star Wars is a joke, anymore, which is a shame, because, a tarantino directed Star Wars woould Kick Ass.
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just finished cleaning myself and changing underwear !! LOL
Put ALL the deleted scenes that are good and integrate them into the film and release a 30 minute longer version of these films full of good ies.
Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG36hu5wQYY&feature=related
OMG do it, just don't make a "deleted scene" section on the disc-- integrate it:
better yet do this:
4 versions of film
1977 original release
The latest versions that exist now
The fully restored HD versions with whatever minor tweaks you wanna do to make them amazing-- cutting out dumbass shit, etc..
The above plus a definitive super long extended cut with full integration of deleted scenes into the film making the uber-final ultimate DVD director's cut masterpiece that will be the bomb forever.
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Right, no one in the movie called the Empire's theme the Imperial March, but that's what it's called. On the SE soundtrack, that particular track is labeled Jedi Rocks, and my question is why? Why couldn't it be called Jabba Rocks, or Gammorean Rocks, or even Rancor Rocks for Christ's sake?Better yet, just get rid of it.
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Nah, me neither. Emperor Plaidshirt Neckfat still has his cashcow to rape.
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Why the fuck would you want it re-inserted. So Vader is just calling his sons name over and over again from the Imperial Toilet Chamber and Luke builds his lightsabre during a rescue mission? STUPID. ROTJ is the worst of the OT, but even they knew it was better to re-introduce a spooky, robed Luke as he enters Jabba's Palace alone with all the principal heroes already set-up and in place for the big save.
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her hotness immediately gets a +5. It's like, wow, if your awesome enough to erotically geek fetish yourself out, you must be an awesome person to "know" in the biblical sense.
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What a crap channel.
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Merchandising just went too far with this incredibly dated midgets in faux fur. A little bit of me dies evertime they grace my TV :(
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palace in the morning and cut out the corny scene of Han and Chewie in the prison. GOLD!!!
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Because it had the bad luck to follow Empire. Sure, the Ewoks were an obvious attempt to market Star Wars to girls, but the final battle of that film, of the trilogy, works on so many different levels. The Emperor's throne room scenes have more layers than anything from any of the prequels combined, and the character of Luke in those scenes, and the inner struggle inside of him, is storytelling of mythological proportions. It took three films to build to that climax, and it resonates because of all of the underlying story.
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I think they wanted the Green Lightsaber™ to be a bigger surprise instead of revealing it right away. If you notice in all the promo art (and even the early trailers) he has a blue saber.
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No, muppets=good. People complaining about "Muppets" in ROTJ is what gave George the excuse to replace them with CGI abominations in the SE.
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Luke build a lightsaber for a rescue mission. He's a Jedi and probably figures it can come in handy, don't you think?
Also, why would Vader calling out to Luke via the Force be stupid? He did in tin TESB after Bespin...Should that have been taken out of TESB because it seems stupid?!? No, of course not.
As for the green lightsaber, it was never even planned to be GREEN in the conception or script phase of the movie. The color Green has ZERO significance. The only reason it was made green was because they tried the blue saber effect, and for many scenes at the Sarlacc Pit the saber got lost against the bright blue sky. Green was just a solution to a visual problem. They could have made it purple or orange instead...makes no difference. -
Go find the ROJ radio drama. It was written into the first episode. It's a pretty lengthy scene.
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Aug 15, 2010 2:55:15 PM CDT
That scene reminds me more of Empire than it does of Jedi
by jehovahs_witness
And that's why it's so awesome. It's a good bridge between the awesomeness that was Empire, and the somewhat less than stellar ROTJ.
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You are a boner biting dickfart fuckface. You have ruined the best thing that was a collaborative effort that made you a ton of money, and in doing so you have created a legion of bitchy people with taste (like myself) and a legion of idiot apologists who want to suck your cock hoping to swallow some Jar Jar. You should never be allowed near a film set again. RED LETTER MEDIA rules.
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Aug 15, 2010 2:58:47 PM CDT
As for the argument that it detracts from the tension....
by jehovahs_witness
...or suspense...I totally disagree. This adds a whole new layer and for a first time audience, they would wonder if Luke had actually switched to the dark side. He changes his saber color, he nods when Vader tells him to join the darkside, and he is cloaked like the Emperor Palpatine. That one scene would have created an entire layer of suspense and complexity to the film and Luke's character which was completely absent.
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There's a deleted scene where he Force-leaps up to the grate covering the den, and Jabba's minions stomp on his fingers until he falls right into the Rancor's eye. This scene was in the novelization and was shot; I've seen stills from it somewhere.
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You don't think that's something he'd wanna take care of prior to showing up to Jabba's backyard? I mean, really.
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I always thought it signified Luke becoming his own man, and taking a different path from his father. In Empire, as Luke is using his father's lightsaber, it's unclear which path he'll take, especially after Yoda's comment about there being another. But in Jedi, you know Luke is the good guy, that he may be tempted by the Dark Side, but will not give in. Although he does lose it for a minute when he's beating the piss out of Vader.
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For months and months and months... LUUUUUUUKE! LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE! After awhile, it would just be like, background noise telekinesis. Man, Luke had alot to suppress. His father's endlessly calling him from the bathroom, his incestuous lust for his sister, and Ben's creepy nocturnal ghost emissions.
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Because not only does it make you wonder about Luke's relationship with the Force now, as Jehovah's Witness said above, but it makes you wonder how many times Vader has done this to Luke over the past 6 months, and the torment Luke must have been going through while we weren't there.
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Lightsabre? Nah, I'll just build it when I get there. What're the odds of running into Stormtroopers given I'm the galaxies most wanted man at this point. Slim! I'd say. Oh wait, I just realized there's probably a meticulously mapped out (and totally crappy) EU series of "books" connecting ESB to ROTJ that "explains" all of this... sigh...
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Stupid laserblast to the face! YOWZA! Spray some Bacta on that and AH! All better. YIPPEE! MEESA WUV DIS ADVENTURE TICKILY BOO!
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C-3PO and R2D2 are in this cut scene, meaning it was planned to take place BEFORE they go to Jabba's and therefore well before Luke goes.. So it's not actually DURING a rescue mission at all. It simply shows Luke either completing his first lightsaber or tinkering with/fixing it, prior to initiating the rescue. Either way we have NO idea what making a lightsaber entails, so you really can't argue that any of this activity is out of place or inappropriate for the situation. No concrete evidence supports your case.
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Step away from the computer, do some stretches, and come back.
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He's probably back from his 7th viewing of Scott Pilgrim.
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Scene: 1993
George Lucas calls Rick McCallum and tells him about his "wondeful" idea about Episode 1.
George: Hi Rick I just wanted to let you know that I came up with a story for Episode 1.
Rick: Great lets hear it.
G: Well the movie takes place 32 years before A New Hope.
R: Great idea!
G: I want to show Anakin before he was Darth Vader.
R: Great Idea!
G: Did I mention that Anakin is going to be 10 years old?
R: Great Idea!
G: Also, I want to itroduce a new CGI character that is lazy and speaks and walkd like a sterotypical black man. Cause we all know blacks are lazy!
R: Great Idea!
G: I want to show Obi-Wan was a bad ass and he was not always prim and proper!
R: Great Idea!
G: Also, I want to show everyone that I can write and direct better than anyone! I am GENIUS! NO matter what Gary Kurtz or my ex-wife says! Damn I am horny Rick give me blow job and you better swollow slut or your fired! (Unzips pants)
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was pretty entertaining to my 12 year old brain the summer Jedi released. Explained a bit of Palpatine's rise to power. Also featured a line from Leia's imprisonment by Jabba that gives me the creeps to this day. Jabba makes her drink from his cup of backwash and frog-juice but might have referred to other things that happened: "Leia opened her mouth and closed her mind."
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Why not just cloak it when you walk into Jabba's palace. You fucking choked the guards anyway. Stupid.
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That last exchange made me laugh.
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That's not Hammill. Why would they have shot the scene with the hood masking his face? No good reason, ie they didn't.
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Aug 15, 2010 3:47:33 PM CDT
This scene was in the novelization I read as a kid when the
by creasybear
movie came out. I'd thought it was the author just adding a detail, but I guess it was part of the plan for the movie. But in the novelization, it mentioned Luke sticking something alive, organic, like a little bug, within the lightsaber, I guess as some sort of living force so the lightsaber isn't just a mechanical device that any space mechanic could manufacture.
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... i only got through 15 minutes of the travesty that is the... (shudder).... "holiday special"..... truly a nightmare....
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because Luke planned on getting captured to get close to his friends and knew they would search him and confiscate any weapons he had. That was even obvious to my then 7 year old brain.
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because Luke planned on getting captured to get close to his friends and knew they would search him and confiscate any weapons he had. That was even obvious to my then 7 year old brain.
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In more than one story growing up I read that Luke had built the green saber on Tattooine before going to Jabba's palace. He did it at Obi-Wan's old house, where he went to try to find out not only how to build one but to find the necessary parts. The story went that he was at that house for a few months, and his first few attempts at constructing a saber didn't work, but he stayed there and got it right, as well as trained for the Jabba fight.
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You are so right. Really it should have been Anakin that kills the Jedi and the Clone Troopers kill the Younglings. That would have made more sense.
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But Luke waltzed into Jabba's palace. He choked the guards and brainwashed Bib. It was only Jabba who knew what he was up too. Luke could have easily confused the guards searching him that the lighsaber wasn't a weapon.
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If all the guards were weak minded, sure. Jedi mind tricks don't work on everyone (or I would have had straight A's in school)
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.. those lousy cgi creatures also... i'd like a recut version with much less of jabbas palace and more of the luke / darth struggle to give the first half of rotj a darker tone... ala empire...
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Hey, glay so many of you enjoyed the video I took. I was amazed that cool stuff like this has not been seen for 30 years and is still out there. I got in line at 11:30 PM the night before the show (500 people were already ahead of me), and had to sleep on concrete on the Florida humidity until 6:00AM, until they let us in the AC. The show started at 11:00 AM the next day. So I am glad people got to enjoy this without the suffering.
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I never really understood how integral Kurtz's insight was to the artistic success of the first two films. Though ROTJ still has the most profound moment of the series, the trilogy as a whole would've been on par with a literary feat had ROTJ been done according to Kurtz's outline.
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So sad! Btw, I haven't seen Scott Pilgrim and have no plans to until dvd you fucking doucebag. Nice try, though! If only you could use your rhetorical skills to, like, get laid. NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Boioioioing! Hahaha! You fuckin' douche. Hahahahahaha!
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... for the lucas estate to drip feed us titbits for a millenium.....
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Ah, typical out of touch fanboy. Probably at home watching reruns of Smallville.
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Try again DOUCHE! Hahahahahaha! Aw, if only you could channel that rage into pussy. NOT! GONNA! HAPPEN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
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Gotta be careful though. One fired up unexpectedly once and took out the coffee maker.
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Still pretty cool either way. Who gives a rat's ass whether it was Hamill or not? Hamill wasn't doing running somersaults on the Dagobah set either.
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Guys, it doesn't HAS to be Hamill in that shot there. Although this isn't an action piece, ever heard of stunt doubles or stand-ins? The Luke character is there, no the actor, and considering we don't even see his face, that's what matters. Get over it.
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I could be wrong I guess, maybe the mindtrick can only work on a small number of people at once, likely the answer of why the jedi didn't mindtick order 66 out of happening is that it doesn't work on mass numbers of people? That's probably it.
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The title of the movie promised the return of a full-fledged Jedi. It makes better narrative sense that after getting whooped, Luke comes back a badass, as this clip shows. Having this at the beginning sets the tone for the film. The way the original version played out, Luke claims to be a Jedi, but is mocked and shown up by Jabba. Bit of a let down. His leaping about on the sail barge wasn't enough to remove the let down.
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Order 66 was programmed into the Clones and the Jedi were taken completely by surprise. I don't know if it's been mentioned if the Jedi can use mind tricks on a Clone.
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....at least he's not as bad as the douche who yelled "OHH YESSSS!!!!" a few years back on the youtube clip featuring Sam Jackson at the end of IronMan 1 just mentioning the name "avengers". That shit was cringeworthy. It's stuff like that makes you embarrassed to be a fan.
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Coupla deleted (for a good reason) scenes will have you mouthbreathers lining up to buy this trilogy for what, the 8th time on a 4th format (VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu).
Did you all read the fine print...ONLY the Special "Greedo shot the wall first" Editions will be released on Blu...Georgey boy has NO plans to restore and hi def transfer the Original Cuts... -
calls SW fans mouth breathers. Not all one word btw.
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never saw the last release of the OT on DVD. Lucas went back and changed it back to Han shooting first due to all the complaints.
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Those "editions" were the "original cuts" of the trilogy that fans had been demanding...and they sold the LEAST amount of any DVD iterations( compared to the Specials)...Greedo WILL shoot first in the Special Special (new CG replacing the 97 versions) "George approved" editions when they come to Blu...despite some talkbackers here, the press quotes said there are NO plans for an OT original cut Blu editions.
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because they were an exact copy from the laserdisc editions.they were not restored and remastered editions from the ORIGINAL FILM MASTERS.Thats thats what the fans demand all these years,and Lucas apparently released these medium-quality dvd versions because he wanted to shut the mouths of the whining fans.
But the fans didnt bite the bait.most of them,including me,downloaded the dvds instead of buying them.Even official reviews of the dvd releases were saying that it was a waste of money to buy this crappy transfer of the movies,especially if you had the laserdisc editions.Thats why the GOUT project started,in order to at least improve the quality of those dvd versions,since until now nobody has in his hands the original film master.And god i wish someone could stole thost original prints and give them to the fans in order to finally get the respect they deserve,but i am pretty that fuck-pig Lucas has already burned them so nobody can get hold on them. -
See episode 4...Obi Wan uses a mindtrick on a pair of clones. "These arent the droids you're looking for."
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The dvd's weren't even anamorphic, just to add to the slap in the face of the shitty transfer. I know it sounds like a whiny nitpick, but for someone that invested money in an HDTV, it's a pretty major thing. I read the reviews and decided to pass, as much as I want the non-SE ot on dvd.
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Those weren't clones. Those were Imperial recruits. By the time of ANH, most of the old clones were dead, or replaced by Imperial recruits and new clones.
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Well, I'm sure Stormtroopers are still clones by ANH, maybe just no longer Jango clones. Anyway, order 66 could make sense being that it may take a Jedi lots of concentration to pull off a mind trick, and it's hard to focus when you're under attack. So maybe the Jedi couldn't just wave their hands and say: "Don't attack us."
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...puts Luke's mental state more into question as the events of the film unfold, with Darth Vader's voice and force influence tormenting him. Very cool.
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There was an Imperial academy, and Lucasfilm licensed recruitment posters for the Empire on Starwars.com. I think there may have been some clones, but alot of those guys were recruits. A telltale sign of this is that for the dvd release Lucas changed Boba's voice to sound like Jango's (which is something I hate the most about the SE's), but didn't change any of the stormtroopers (thank god).
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I believe you...why would the supposed first shot of Luke in the movie not show his face? Now that you mention it, that could be anyone...
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in a loooooong ass time. But then I remember everything that's happened since it first started coming back, with that first Zahn novel (and for those who weren't born yet or old enough to be aware, that was the equivalent of exhuming a totally rotted corpse and somehow bringing it back to life). So much good will, so much love, just fucking TROUNCED by piss poor decisions fueled by little more than the need for MOUNTAINS of cash to get the 900 companies Lucas owns running under their own steam again as well as to re-develop the fucking Presidio. The fact that this is so effortlessly in line with what Star Wars WAS and, like others have said, frames ROTJ and gives the ending more meaning makes me wonder why the fuck there was NO filter on those prequels and how it's even possible to fuck up THAT badly... the Red Letter Media stuff says it best, showing that BTS stuff of the first screening of Phantom Menace with Ben Burtt and that fucking 70's porn star looking yes man Rick McCallum. Lucas created the worst fucking atmosphere for his type of creativity (the kind that doesn't like questionable decisions to be... well, questioned) that he could have created. His love of all things CGI at the expense of small, visual character moments like what we see here... there's nothing else to say. Most of us have moved on... I'm not a basement dwelling nerd bitching endlessly about how Lucas raped my childhood... by the time the special editions came out, I was already on my first marriage and even though I was in a period of watching Bergman and Polanski movies, I wasn't enough of a snob to ever forget what really got me loving cinema and storytelling in the first place - Star Wars, Jaws, and The Shining. But ANYONE, even people who never liked Star Wars, could sit down and watch all six movies and see the difference in the degree of narrative precision and the commitment of the actors in the OT versus the fucking absolute state of bewilderment Lucas fostered in the cast of the PT. Tellingly, only the absolute best actors escape with any dignity intact and the best performance comes from McDiarmid, who just carried his character over from the OT. Look, very few times in life do you get to 'go home again' as they say... actually, almost never. I suppose that Empire is as good as it is and that ROTJ has Ewoks AND some of the trilogy's best moments and action scenes is amazing in and of itself. If you were into Star Wars growing up in the 80's then kind of repressed any enjoyment you got out of it (or, like me, just got sick of it) for a while, then were really happy to see it come back, you know that feeling of saying, "Holy shit, I never thought I'd get to see this happen all over again." Basically, it was all build-up to a big letdown. And people who say it would have let us down no matter what are DEAD FUCKING WRONG. It only required better writing (or writing that was good at all) and characters that you could actually care about and relate to. What we got instead is seriously a fucking abomination. Only at the end of ROTS did he finally realize anything approaching the tone and storytelling abilities of the OT. At the end of the day, it's just the wasted potential. You see this, get that old feeling back, and then realize that on film, the only thing that will ever be great about Star Wars is the original trilogy.
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In the ROTJ novelization, Luke builds his new lightsaber in Obi-Wan's house using parts he finds there. That's why Luke's ROTJ saber looks almost identical to Obi-Wan's. The impression I get from this deleted scene is not that Luke is building his lightsaber, but that he's adjusting or fine-tuning it, just as any experienced soldier would field-strip and clean his weapon before going into battle.
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seriously, Harry, it's pretty cool http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/08/14/jon-stewart-stormtrooper.aspx
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The comment "You're a little short for a stormtrooper" kinda says that they're all cookie cutter. Which is a giveaway that they're still clones. Maybe just not Jango clones, there could be other templates by that point.
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troops.
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....so will they remove all Ewok scenes and make JEDI cool?
Nice! That would make a quite cool 30 minute SW movie!
Yipeee!
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I remember some novel or comic mentioning that Han Solo was a Storm-trooper when he saved Chewie from being executed, so at this point in the timeline they´re probably not clones anymore.
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The Blu-ray release should be the final definitive version of the entire saga, and should include the fully-restored original theatrical cuts of the OT that include comprehensive documentaries and a complete library of deleted scenes available for incorporated viewing as desired. I’m talking about a final brushstroke version of the entire saga with choice inclusions/exclusions for the SE’s and prequels (too much for me to list at this time, but something along the lines of what Adywan is currently doing – a SE of the entire saga that finds some common ground between what Lucas envisioned and what the fans demand). Additionally, all the effects and character animation should be refined and updated to provide a consistent, cohesive look across all six films (as best as can reasonably be done). Aw hell, it’s all just a pipe dream isn’t it? Just give me the fully-restored non-SE OT in anamorphic widescreen and I’ll be happy.
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That scene just gave me the chills, I felt like that 12 year old again, Wow.
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3488021/comic_con_2009_interview_mark_hamill_star_wars/
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See the above video.
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If it was new footage manipulated to look like deleted scenes from the 80's. After that Greedo shot first shit, I don't put anything past (or is it pass?) George " Money and the Power' Lucas.
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ARE TOO FUCKING DARK! They look like Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow!
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So what's the point of making it up. Mr Tibbs explain how GL was being "greedy" when he made Greedo shoot first? I mean he was incredibly, incredibly wrong, but I don't get the greed part.
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The LA Times interview with Kurtz has changed my perspective on things a great deal. It took hearing about Lucas from the other person who was key to the success of those films, as opposed to the incessant ramblings of so many obnoxious fanboys, to realize my respect for Lucas has been horribly misplaced over the years. SK229's post has put the nail in the coffin for me. My last post (minus the final statement) be damned. The prequels and SE's can rot for all I care. Only the OT for me. Hallelujah! I've been saved!
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Lucas had no other reason for making those "Special Editions" other than to make money.
Yeah sure there were some pretty scenes added. They were totally unnecessary! Rather than make up new material, he went back and manipulated movies he made decades ago to sell a product to a new market of kids who knew nothing of Star Wars.
In doing so, he destroyed the original concepts and devices from the original films, which made them so memorable to begin with. Example, Han Solo being deprived of one of his finest moments in the trilogy (Gunning down a Bounty Hunter before he was captured). That scene established Han Solo as a cinema bad-ass. If he was so apprehensive about that scene, why keep it in to begin with? As you can see from the above footage he apparently has no problem with cutting shit out of his movies.
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He wanted to kill off Han and have ROJ be a downer ending. Fantastic.
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I am loving it... I am pretty pumped about this BluRay also. I hope it is coming out in January 2011 though! This is Awesome so this begs the obvious question-- WHAT THE HELLL TOOK YOU SO LONG LUCAS!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?
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he said in an interview it was just a precaution in case the jedi ever tried to take over. palpatine probably convinced the clones through verbal manipulation that the jedi may someday plot a take over, so just in case they do, here is order 66. sounds dumb, considering attack of the clones specifically states the clones are programmed with an obediance program, but lucas himself states theres no preprogramming of order 66 so whatever. sometimes its best to ignore lucas and go with your own idea of what sounds cooler and more logical.
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The ending wouldn't have been a downer, it would have been poignant. Even Hank Ford said that he thought that Han should have died. I at least think that they should have killed Lando in the Falcon while trying to escape from the Death Star before it exploded. The ending of ROTJ is WAY too upbeat. It's like there was no sacrifice. Sure Darth finally came around and bitch slapped his boss to save his kid, but he was a villain for 99% of the trilogy. They needed to show sacrifice from the good guys. Not just random pilots of varying ethnicity blowing up in space. Did they even show any of the Rebel commandos die on the moon of Endor? Wow, I don't think that they did. What a stark contrast to the first 5 minutes of ANH, where like a billion Stormtroopers massacre like 30 Rebel dudes in a hallway on Princess Leia's Corellian Corvette (or Blockade Runner if you prefer).
ANH and ESB set the tone for the story. The bad guys were BAD. There was violence and bleakness in this galaxy that the story took place in. There was darkness. Even look at the Mos Eisley cantina, that good 'ol "wretched hive of scum and villainy"...Luke was accosted and they would have killed him had Ben not been there...and none of the other patrons would have batted an eye.
Then we get to ROTJ, and I'm sorry but the ending does not fit the tone of the other two films. Even the beginning of Jedi at Jabba's palace when he mercilessly kills Oola by feeding her to the Rancor. That was some harsh shit.
The ending just does not fit AT ALL with the tone set up by the first 2 films and the beginning of the 3rd. I'm talking about the original ending. The "special ed-edition" ending is wickedly stupid. So they show all of these places erupting in joyous celebration after the Emperor dies? Like everybody in the galaxy KNEW that he was dead when he died at a SECRET LOCATION? And did all the other Imperial troops just turn to dust like they were some sort of fucking magical spell?
To me ROTJ gets a lot more flack than it deserves. Yeah I hate the Tarzan yell and the saccharine sweet ending, but Luke and Darth have a badass fight and Luke is a total hero in the end the way he stands up to Palpatine and says "Fuck you". I also like that the Rebel fleet is just convinced they are fucked so they give it their all. Just wanted to be clear that I don't hate ROTJ (I hate all of the special editions and all of the prequels, and the Holiday Special, which was better than all the prequels combined), but I hate the ENDING of ROTJ. It should have been grittier and with some sort of sacrifice on the part of the Rebels. This was called Star WARS after all. -
...and the footage REALLY felt like it was filmed in 1983. I'm a bit surprised this is being discussed, but I suppose since it's a crappy camera recording it, and given Lucas' history, it would come up. But no, honest to god, this is a REAL 1983 deleted scene.
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I got the old Star Wars feeling back from that cameo in "(500) Days of Summer" and now again with this. You nailed it.
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A few ewoks die!
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oh and Lucas? FUCK YOU.
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lol.
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A few meager bones thrown to the fanboys (cf. 15 seconds on the Wookie planet in ROTS, return of fake Boba Fett in AOTC); then, with the other hand, he waves in another palletload of fucking Muppets and blubber-lipped Rasta aliens for the toymakers. "But, guys, see, I gave you wnat you always wanted! More Boba! More Wookies!"
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Unfucking believable!
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I dunno. The scene WAS shot, wasn't it? John Williams even accounted for it in the soundtrack. The fact that it doesn't match what was in the script exactly doesn't really prove anything.
If it was faked, I suppose it's a good sign. Maybe George is realizing no one cares about the PT or the Clone Wars and is focusing on OT stuff. -
I was thinking, you know when Vader strikes down Obi Wan, and we hear Luke say "Nooo!" it would be kinda cool to cut to Dagobah and have a Yoda reaction. Like he's just walking along, and all of a sudden he faints or something? Would be cool. I'm sure the purists would hate it.
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Thank you, but which post were you referring to? The one where I spoke of the ending to ROTJ? Or the earlier post where I called George Lucas a "boner biting dickfart fuckface"?
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...I'm sure it's on the way. It'll be a terribly shot CGI travesty...but it's on the way...
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should have their own sitcome, where they complain about how Blade Runner is boring, Lost is the greatest thing ever and how Terminator 3 is better than Terminator 2.
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you don't have to buy it, its as simple as that.
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"sometimes its best to ignore lucas and go with your own idea of what sounds cooler and more logical."
For the last twenty years, any time George has butted in with his "explanations" or "improvements", it's ALWAYS made things worse.
Fucking has-been. -
Scott Pilgrim movie was better than all three prequels. You can argue your little yoda loving heart out all day long but trying to say otherwise is like saying the earth is flat( Its not btw). Let me sum up all that Lucas contributed to this Star Wars thing you idiots love so much. 1.) Sucking studio cock so that they would continue to funnel money into what was at the time thought to be some wierd gay space opera. 2.) Ewoks. OH and just so we are clear I actually respect him for reason 1. Somebody had to do it. But every other thing about the original trilogy that you morons fell in love with was done by true artist of filmaking whileLucas was off set rinsing his mouth out with Scope in order to remove the taste of studio splooge from his tonsils.
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Just a thought...
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Fucking typical, LucA$$.
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Of course Palpatine killed Darth Plagueis in his sleep. He told that story with such relish and pride.
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It must be said and it must be remembered.
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That was after 1981, when Lucas killed his old self, the one who was the artist who just wanted to make interesting & entertaining movies. He should have gone with their original outline - much more interesting & epic. Jedi was only good because you had the pre established characters, Freeborn's Jabba, and that great actor who played the Emperor. Otherwise it sucked. The prequels never had a chance, and they turned Vader into a whining idiot. I don't want them, just re-sell me the the original trilogy again and get it over with. And they can shove that Star Tours ride up their ass! That's the best they can do? That always sucked as well.
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Also the original theatrical editions were released in 2006 in letterboxed format as "bonus-discs" sourced from Laser Disc masters. Much better than your fan-edited "anamorphic" Laser Disc to DVD encodes. On that note this BLURay release will be the final nail of your fan edited Star Wars, where the the colours and contrast are boosted. Fan-editors always post screenshots from 2004 DVD and compare them to their edit-sourced from the 2006 HD TV Broadcast and go "see how much better my version looks!!!". I can boost colours and contrast on my own thanks. seriously, thanks Jon Stewart for not asking the question everyone is asking "why aren't you getting up off your diabetic ass vis-a-vis the Star Wars Live Action TV Series". It's been SIX FUCKING YEARS since it was announced ...ironically when the SD-DVDS were released in 2004
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If you noticed Luke is not wearing the black glove? Probably means nothing, but thought I'd point it out. The scene "as is" is pretty bad ass though.
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I'd point out that Lord of the Rings has no major heroic deaths, either, and that was practically a metaphor for WWII.
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This is the only extra footage I've ever seen that I wished had been in the original.
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I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the prequels ruined the perfect franchise. They were poorly done and quite juvenile. The biggest wasted oppritunity in the history of film.
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He's not wearing the black glove because he hasn't been shot in the hand yet on jabba's barge. The only reason he puts that glove on is to cover up the laser blast wound exposing the insides of his cybernetic hand. the scene where he puts on the glove takes place after they've rescued han and he's on his way to see yoda in his x-wing.
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...the ultimate improvement would be to re-do that abortion of an ending. Seriously, that Care Bears prom at the end defines the tone of the ENTIRE EFFING SERIES and makes it impossible to ever take seriously again.
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No, RotJ ruined Star Wars well before the prequels did.
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Wrong, wrong, WRONG! The death of Boromir in FELLOWSHIP is one of the most heroic deaths ever put on screen. I saw grown men blubbering like babies when he died. The ultimate in male bonding whilst on the brink of death. Astonishing stuff...
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Yes, but that's in the first one (in the movies). You could map it to Obi-Wan in Star Wars. Yeah, character-wise that'd be Gandalf, but he comes back, and not as a ghost like Kenobi.
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That 50+ seconds of footage was better than all the sequels combined in their entirety. Nice!
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...when Revenge of the Sith is realised to be absolutely epic? Because, I'm sorry to tell you all... it is.
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A hero who's lust for power changed him from good to evil, and then redeemed himself at the end.
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#...when Revenge of the Sith is realised to be absolutely epic? Because, I'm sorry to tell you all... it is.#
it could have been with a better actor for Anakin...as it is it´s close to ridiculous. The guy just doesn´t carry it, and the turn from semi-good to evil was way too fast. -
That scene was better for me than all the prequels put together.
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After his badassery heroic charge.
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He'd be working in secret with Mark Hamill on a VERY dark, very cool episode 7. Mark is at a perfect age to play a Jedi who has lost his path and is on the road to the dark side. Give us a single kickass movie to finish off the series and bring back our childhood favorites one last time.
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I didn't forget him, I just don't consider him "major", the way Aragorn and Legolas and the hobbits are major. Not to say he was insignificant. I suppose he'd be on par with Wedge or maybe even Lando dying.
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Or "kick ass". That's the problem with all of the ever aging, cynical former Star Wars fandorks that populate the Internet. You all wanted the prequels do be 3 movies of Darth Vader killing people and you didn't get it so now you are angry.
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..... What exactly did he do after SW? Dark Crystal and.... and.... and.... Gangsta Cats....
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Man, that kid cannot fucking act. On what planet, in what star system, did Lucas EVER think Hayden was the perfect guy for it? Fuck, even Paul Walker - who was supposedly in the running - would have been better.
Not great, sure, but certainly better than Hayden Christensen. Fuck, I'D have been a better Anakin, and I'm a 38 year old geek with a pot belly. Jeeeeeesus... -
Man, that kid cannot fucking act. On what planet, in what star system, did Lucas EVER think Hayden was the perfect guy for it? Fuck, even Paul Walker - who was supposedly in the running - would have been better.
Not great, sure, but certainly better than Hayden Christensen. Fuck, I'D have been a better Anakin, and I'm a 38 year old geek with a pot belly. Jeeeeeesus... -
...and very reminiscent of a certain young Anakin from years later (or before, depending on your point of view).
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Lol, no it really isn't. It's not supposed to be dark and moody. Look at ANH. Not one frame of it is dark or moody.
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Freaking skeletons, dude! Creamating smashed jawas! Torturebots! Millions of voices crying out! But yeah, I was rolling my eyes at all the "Revenge of the Sith will suck if it isn't rated R!" posts.
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of Lukes's foster family? right.
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or when Obi dies or when a whole planet explodes.
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I was 12 when I saw ROTJ and I'm pretty sure that going in to the cinema to watch the film there was still a big question around whether Darth was his father or not. If they'd shown this scene at the beginning it would have answered that question within minutes rather than the hour or so later that Yoda did.
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The skeletons are seen from far away and are on screen for less than 2 seconds. That's hardly moody. The only real moody shot is when Vader strikes down Ben.
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I was in the theatre for this presentation, and I'm still not exactly sure why, but my initial reaction to the clip was that it felt like a trick. The Vader shots looked like unused footage from ROTJ and ESB. The way Luke 'tinkered' with his lightsaber looked awkward (prequelish) and the way he turned it on at the end felt like the final badass shot in a Force Unleashed trailer or something. My gut feeling was that it wasn't Hamill. The hands looked different, and I couldn't make out the face. Hamill even made a strange comment afterwards, something like, "look at that cleft chin!" The only dialogue was from Vader which could have been recorded anytime, or just taken from ESB.
And for those who think it could have been a stand in 30 years ago, it is unlikely, because Hamill also told a story about them calling him in on the day his son was born to film a shot where he is shooting at an AT-AT, but he is so small on the screen and wearing a helmet, that it could have easily been a double, or a gorilla with a pipe. -
Wars save for throwing in a few moments of drama otherwise was like a pulpy comic book from the 1930s, it was Empire which set a new tone and then of course every other SW film had to follow. It was freakin awful in ROTS when Anakin is staring out of the window and some enya music plays, like something out of Dawson's Creek, ghastly.
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The moody lifetime channel crap really is wack! I'll take Jedi's too cool for school dungeons and dragons opening coupled with a great woodland campfire finale even more, and Wars obviously. I'm now officially in the "2nd darker installment sucks camp". Sick of being on the lovefest wagon for that.
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There wasn't really any scene in the old movies shot in that modern closeup nonchalant activities style...
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The ride back home with William's score, the black smoke, the wind in Luke's hair while he gasps at the flesh still cooking on the corpse of his adoptive parents, not moody? Wow.
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It gives Luke the incentive to finally join Ben. How is that moody?
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,luke" is from sith. the camera never dollys-in in any other star wars film (lucas changed the style over the course of the prequels to compete with lord of the rings.) the shot of him in the elevator is from later in jedi arriving in the throne room.
anyone else find james earl jones newer voice recordings sound a bit off as well. as in sith and the "new" bit in empire when he says" alert my star destroyer for my arrval". just sound wrong. -
The first prequel came out in 1999, the LOTR movies were still being shot then. Man, you idiots make up stuff.
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They originally shot the 3PO stuff and Luke stuff seperately. they even had the matte painting done back in '83 for the outside entrance to the cave.
This is just the finished scene. -
and overall stuff in sith was very much lucas trying to raise his game against the lotr films. watch the style change over the 3 movies it gets less and less kurasawa-ish and more "extreme". a good example is the long opening shot in sith. trying very hard to make it bad ass as you guys put it.
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that the people who raised you were murdered.not moody at all.in fact its your happiest day in your life because you will start your own space adventure.yes sir.
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Look at the dinner scene. He goes off without finishing eating. He was mad.
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further adds to the fact that TPM is the best prequel.
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uh, yeah, cause it wasn't like the long opening shot in ANH.
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They're not only close-up, they're pretty gory. This is from the original original, too. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v6nmnk&s=5 Not moody? Fine, but it's sure dark.
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Video down from YouTube. Last I checked it was still here
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Damn you Lucasfilm...they should know that this is good publicity for them, not that they need it...
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Damn you Lucasfilm...they should know that this is good publicity for them, not that they need it...
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pricks... I saved it with flashgot though. So suck it. Suck it long and suck it hard, Lucasfilm's lawyers. (I still love YOU Lucasfilms)
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at the end of the bots outside the cave from inside.
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The live action being stories going forward, after the OT, with new characters and the possibility of extended universe characters showing up with a couple of the original actors (Hamill!!)... will most likely NEVER happen. As usual, the one thing Licasfilms should do.. they will not do. And will not let anyone else do. As much as I love the original films and semi-like the prequels, a lot of what they have done since (and with ROTJ) has been unforgivable in my eyes. So sad. And even sadder is that something like what I suggest above would make TONS of cash.
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It should happen. No one wants that Seth Green shit. We want REAL Star Wars animated sequels. Fuck you Robot Chicken.
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you mean Droids and Ewoks wasn't good enough? :P
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Those weren't sequels. The droids took place before ANH, and the Ewoks took place before ROJ.
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The Star Wars haters just get more and more insane. None of you morons would be posting here if it weren't for SW.
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I like the prequels but even if I didn't the notion that they'd "ruin" something I'd liked before is asinine. Superman 4 blows but that didn't wreck Superman 1. Terminator 3 sucked but that didn't ruin T2. Anyone who let's a lesser sequel (or prequel) "ruin" something probably never liked it very much to begin with.
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Aug 17, 2010 1:58:39 AM CDT
The Ideas Expessed Below will never happen, but ...it might be i
by longtime lurker
Bringing back the OT cast for an old-timers "Expendables" type deal......or maybe not. http://www.popeater.com/2010/08/16/the-expendables-box-office-star-wars-celebration-V/
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First Starwars VHS
Then Starwars Special edition VHS
Then Starwars Special ED Letterbox VHS.
Then Episode I VHS
Then Episode II and III DVD.
Then Starwars III to VI dvd.
Now Starwars blu ray.
He is robbing fanboys blind with all this deleted bullshit, and people eat it up.
I'm officially on strike. I'll check all the "special" deleted scenes via the internet.
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Good point well made.
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ROTS is epic - depite hayden christensen who i think did just a good a job as mark hamill in ROTJ. But im a big one for believing what i see onscreen and using imagination - it wasnt hayden who was a whiny bitch - it was anakin. i dont have a problem with the guy in ROTS whatsoever. and even his bad acting cant take away the phenomenal acting of ian mcdiarmid. its is epic - no 2 ways about it.
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Because my first impression was that he was doing field maintenance on it before his incursion into Jabba's palace, like a special forces soldier working on his rifle in enemy territory.
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In the novel, it read as if Luke was just finishing making it and it even had him raising his hands to R2 to conceal it. But I like the field maintenance idea, too. Hopefully another deleted scene will be Ben and Luke on Dagobah, when Ben is telling him exactly what happened between him and Anakin.
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that I dedicated to him. I feel spurned like a gross chick on prom night. Tee Hee. So I'm a REPOST it! I'll add some stuff too because in reading this thread there have been some comments that I wanted to address (like anyone gives a fuck what I have to say) so here goes...@DoubleFantasy, I found ROTS to be far from epic. It seemed more like a giant piece of shit. @boogy110, I concur and I will also be watching all future Star Wars related media on the internet. I own the DVD versions of the 1993(?) laserdisc prints. I'm good with those. @darthvedder81, no the prequels and the special (ed) editions did in fact ruin Star Wars for many people. All of the examples that you cited were sequels and not prequels. At the very least when you are going to write a prequel you should go back and re-watch the original films and use a pen and a notepad and jot down important points that you want to make accurately match up from film to film. @RPLocke, there are more moody shots in ANH than just Ben's death. How about the death of Biggs? That wasn't moody? Or even Red Leader? The shot of Leia having to watch her planet be FUCKING DESTROYED? Even the shot of Luke returning to Ben and the droids while they burned the bodies of the slaughtered Jawas...Luke is emotionally wrecked and has nowhere else to go. @spud_mcspud, never stop posting here. You rock. @KilliK, you and I need to start a band or become crime lords. Ok here's my original post that I hope makes some good points...@RPLocke, you better at least comment with a "fuck off" or something after I amaze you with total sense and shit...ORIGINAL POST STARTS NOW...The ending to ROTJ wouldn't have been a downer, it would have been poignant. Even Hank Ford said that he thought that Han should have died. I at least think that they should have killed Lando in the Falcon while trying to escape from the Death Star before it exploded. The ending of ROTJ is WAY too upbeat. It's like there was no sacrifice. Sure Darth finally came around and bitch slapped his boss to save his kid, but he was a villain for 99% of the trilogy. They needed to show sacrifice from the good guys. Not just random pilots of varying ethnicity blowing up in space. Did they even show any of the Rebel commandos die on the moon of Endor? Wow, I don't think that they did. What a stark contrast to the first 5 minutes of ANH, where like a billion Stormtroopers massacre like 30 Rebel dudes in a hallway on Princess Leia's Corellian Corvette (or Blockade Runner if you prefer). ANH and ESB set the tone for the story. The bad guys were BAD. There was violence and bleakness in this galaxy that the story took place in. There was darkness. Even look at the Mos Eisley cantina, that good 'ol "wretched hive of scum and villainy"...Luke was accosted and they would have killed him had Ben not been there...and none of the other patrons would have batted an eye. Then we get to ROTJ, and I'm sorry but the ending does not fit the tone of the other two films. Even the beginning of Jedi at Jabba's palace when he mercilessly kills Oola by feeding her to the Rancor. That was some harsh shit. The ending just does not fit AT ALL with the tone set up by the first 2 films and the beginning of the 3rd. I'm talking about the original ending. The "special ed-edition" ending is wickedly stupid. So they show all of these places erupting in joyous celebration after the Emperor dies? Like everybody in the galaxy KNEW that he was dead when he died at a SECRET LOCATION? And did all the other Imperial troops just turn to dust like they were some sort of fucking magical spell? To me ROTJ gets a lot more flack than it deserves. Yeah I hate the Tarzan yell and the saccharine sweet ending, but Luke and Darth have a badass fight and Luke is a total hero in the end the way he stands up to Palpatine and says "Fuck you". I also like that the Rebel fleet is just convinced they are fucked so they give it their all. Just wanted to be clear that I don't hate ROTJ (I hate all of the special editions and all of the prequels, and the Holiday Special, which was better than all the prequels combined), but I hate the ENDING of ROTJ. It should have been grittier and with some sort of sacrifice on the part of the Rebels. This was called Star WARS after all.
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