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The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day wants to end this destructive conflict and rule the galaxy as father and son!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes pic! We continue our ode to The Empire Strikes Back’s 30th Birthday with this spectacular shot from the climactic (and revealing) duel between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. This is moments before Luke loses a hand, but gains a father. I’ve posted a lot of glorious BTS pics, but I will say that this photo is the first since the rad Alien picture that started this column to give me that same feeling of a moment of cinema history being captured by an onset photographer. There are precious few pictures that feels like you’re just pulling back beyond the frame and seeing the crew create the magic in plain view. This is one of those pictures. Here’s the pic (click for bigger version):

If you have a pic you think should be included email me. I’m looking for the iconic, the rare or the just plain cool behind the scenes shots to feature here. Tomorrow’s Behind the Scenes pic will make you an offer you can’t refuse! -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



Previous Behind the Scenes pics: - Alien
- Big Trouble In Little China
- Clash of the Titans
- Dr. Strangelove
- Sesame Street
- The Birds
- The Dark Knight
- Batman (1989)
- Batman: The TV Series
- Stephen King’s IT
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
- Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
- Superman
- The French Connection
- Tron
- The Road Warrior
- Ghostbusters
- King Kong (’33)
- The Empire Strikes Back (Luke with Slate)
- Rebel Without A Cause
- Taxi Driver
- Metropolis
- The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
- Tommy Chong Meets The Blues Brothers
- The Empire Strikes Back (Filming the Crawl)
- John Carpenter’s The Thing
- Jaws
- Die Hard
- Aliens
- Frankenstein Meets The Wolf Man
- The Howling
- Revenge of the Creature


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  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:18 p.m. CST

    first

    by lostboytexas

    star wars is lame. give up

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Did Prowse seriously think George would use his real voice?

    by LordPorkington

    And his face? It was *never* going to happen. NEVER!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:19 p.m. CST

    ESB

    by BYOBkenobi

    Never gets old. My 3 year old refers to it saying "Daddy, I wanna watch Space Worm"

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    was that hayden in vader garb?

    by greyspecter

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    David Prowse IS Darth Vader

    by THEE Miracleman

    That's what he signs, anyways...

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    You can run and tell that..

    by Axl Z

    Nice photo this!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Having your asthmatic father kick your ass is bad enough...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...but to have all those other guys watching? How humiliating!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    AWESOME!!!!

    by Annie The Pod Racer

    Love the Paisan in the Adidas track suit!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    David Prowse banned from conventions

    by thatfilmlover

    this image makes me feel sadness for David Prowse and how Lucas has banned him from Star Wars conventions. Especially since he recently is in remission from Cancer, hope all is well David.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Awesome

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Just finished watching the Empire of Dreams doc. There's no two ways about it, the original Star Wars trilogy is still INCREDIBLE. It makes todays movies look like absolute shit. The sheer joy of cinema in the trench run, the Hoth AT-AT battle, the speeder bike chase and the final Death Star assault in Jedi are mindblowing. Brilliantly designed, shot and edited.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    You are beaten!

    by Denty420

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Where the fuck is Lucas?

    by Series7

    In that pick?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by kwisatzhaderach

    At ILM.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Great image

    by PurityOfEssence

    that is all.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:30 p.m. CST

    How many people in this shot were involved with the prequels?

    by JudasPriestly

    My guess: not many :(

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    If this was filmed today...........

    by dingleberryjerry

    There would be 2 people in front of giant green screen. Everything else would have been added later.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Can't stand the original trilogy anymore

    by NippleEffect

    the prequels poisoned the well

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Prowse was bad mouthing Lucas

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Over royalties. He was complaining he wasn't getting as much a the other cast members. He was flaming Lucas in virtually every interview. Can you honestly blame Lucas from banning him from official conventions? You would do the same if an ex-employee of yours was dragging your name through the mud. Amazing pic btw, gives me chills. Greatest trilogy ever by miles (LOTR seems cheesy and ham-fisted already).

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    And not a green screen in sight.

    by blackmantis

    How about that?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    prowse can't catch a break

    by Bouncy X

    they didnt use his voice and hired some other guy to play his role without a helmet.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I didn't know KORN was around in 1980.

    by Tigger Tales

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas never told Prowse he wasn't the voice

    by thatfilmlover

    he didn't know until walked into the cinema and saw the film, can you freaken imagine? Lucas never told him, yeah, real classy.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    See, it was Hayden under the mask the whole time.

    by Viewer 3

    He was actually 48 years old when the prequels were shot, believe it or not.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Quint...You Rock.

    by SonicRiver

    I know that you are only doing this feature to capitalise on google's new search algorithym, but all the same, what a fantastic idea. Well done. <p> I love it. <p> And I want to see more behind the scenes Star Wars pics.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Prowse or Bob Anderson (fencing double)

    by Flexfill

    Assuming it's Prowse for the static shots, but if a saber is swingin' it's Bob.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    This looks a bit health and safety....

    by Rameses

    I didn't realise the set was built that high off the floor.Theres most likely airbags or matresses below , but it all looks kinda dangerous, the way everyones packed onto that gantry.If that had been the prequels the backdrop would have been green screened , hell even the Gantry would have been CGI and Luke and Vader apart from some close ups!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Why would Lucas be in that picture at all?

    by slone13

    Kershner directed Empire.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    also, it's defiantly Prowse in the picture

    by thatfilmlover

    you can tell by the hair.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Love how only Harrison Ford seemed

    by John_McClanes_Vest

    to stick up for himself regarding the dodgy dialogue. Legend.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Alec Guinness also...

    by SonicRiver

    stuck up for himself. He regarded the dialogue as awful. But, I guess the fact he got gross points on one of the most profitable movies of all time eased his pain!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    if you watch David Prowse interviews on Youtube

    by thatfilmlover

    he comes across as a really lovely down to earth Englishmen, he doesn't bad mouth Lucas at all, except for a little dig about not telling him about the voice and the face in Jedi, but fuck man, isn't he entitled too? It's all in good fun anyway, there's no malice there.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:45 p.m. CST

    That....

    by D o o d

    just gave me a boner!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    YOU ARE BEATEN! IT IS USELESS TO RESIST!

    by Thanos0145

    Great BTS pic.<p>RELEASE THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY (IN IT'S ORIGINAL FORM) ON BLUE-RAY ALREADY LUCAS!!!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:46 p.m. CST

    David Prowse is just an actor...

    by SonicRiver

    Why the hell does he have to know whats going to happen in post production?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    i wonder..

    by nolan bautista

    ..what the crew members in that pic were thinking? (Ohh..this is the bit where this wee lad finds out this bloke w/ the cape is his dad)

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:47 p.m. CST

    thatfilmlover - Obi-wan is your father...

    by OneNutCode

    Lucas also didn't tell Prowse that Vader was Luke's Father for fear that he'd leak it to the press like he did everything else. The original shot was Prowse saying "Luke, Obi-wan is your father" which he then, as expected, leaked to the press. It wasn't until opening night he got slammed with the lack of Vader voice and the news that Vader was actually the father. Apparently there is an iconic "WTF" moment with Prowse standing up in the middle of the theater and glaring at a smiling Lucas

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    OneNutCode

    by thatfilmlover

    the voice thing obviously happened in A NEW HOPE, not empire. The "obi-wan is your father" line is true, but it wasn't just for Prowse, neither Hamil or any of the other actor's knew the line.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

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  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Great story OneNutCode

    by John_McClanes_Vest

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:50 p.m. CST

    The sound of Vader's glove krinkling...

    by Tacom

    as he tightens his fist and says "If you only knew the POWER of the Dark Side!" I love that little touch.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Prowse tell's a great Stanley Kubrick story too

    by thatfilmlover

    in a clockwork orange, Prowse carried Patrick McGee down the stairs in his wheelchair. When Kubrick offered him the job Prowse said "hang on a minute Stanley, McGee and the Wheelchair weight over 200 pounds, and you want me to carry him down 3 flights of stairs." Kubrick said "yes" Prowse says "Well You're not known as One Take Stanley are you?" que everybody in the production office shitting themselves because Prowse just insulted Kubrick.... Stanley just smiled and said "we'll shoot it as quick as we can." it was still 6 takes.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Sonic

    by Quint

    I feel kind of stupid, but what Google algorithms? I can honestly say that didn't enter my mind one bit with the creation and continuation of this series. How is this helpful to google place any more than me posting my regular workload? I'm genuinely curious.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    ...

    by OneNutCode

    Right, Durr.. he would have found out in New Hope, I'm mixing stories here. I've delved through so much Prowse stuff in the last month after finding out he was in RaveDactyl (don't ask) and came across a crapload of interviews and whatnot. Was under the impression he was the only one that didn't know about Vader being the father but it makes sense to hide it from everyone.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Quint a suggestion...

    by thatfilmlover

    Is it possible to do a "scene of the day" too, with Youtube or something? Or does that break copyright? I think that would be a really awesome feature too and be great to get the Talk-back conversation going. Loving this series!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    Neat pic

    by Logan_1973

    ...how many crewmembers can they fit on one gantry lol!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    a colour version of that pic is in this month's Empire

    by DonLogan

    it's in a supplement called 'Unseen Empire'. Some other nice pictures like Kershner riding a tauntaun

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6 p.m. CST

    ISN'T PROWSE A SORT OF ENGLISH NAZI NOW?

    by scottpilgrim2010

    I'm not sure what the name of them is but I'm pretty sure that Prowse is a member of a nazi-like political party in england. I guess that's why he's banned from conventions and such.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I can't imagine

    by jameskpolk

    Prowse seriously thinking his voice and face were supposed to be used in the film.<br><br>Unless Lucas wasted everyone's time and a bunch of money having Prowse do re-recordings of dialogue.<br><br>Sounds like either Mr. Prowse is kind of an idiot who doesn't know how movies are made or this is all just some kind of urban legend. That being said, I haven't read all the interviews and backstory.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST

    you're talking about the BNP

    by thatfilmlover

    and I've never heard it being suggested that DAVID PROWSE was a memeber. In fact he came out in support of the UK INDEPENDCE PARTY last election, so, you're talking "absolute bollocks" sir, don't slander Prowse's good name.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Lucas told Prowse they would fix his voice in post production

    by thatfilmlover

    Prowse understood it to mean that he would re-record his own dialogue, since none of it was usable with the helmet on. The call from Lucas never came for the audio recording, and he heard nothing until he was invited to the premier, that's how it happened. Should Prowse have known his voice wasn't going to be used? Why would he? It seems obvious now, looking at the movie, but changing an actor's voice like that was hardly the norm.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    id also like to take this opportunity

    by thatfilmlover

    to draw every-bodies attention to the woman that is keeping Lucas' company these days... http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp287/ObiWansLostBrother/glandhisgf.jpg hot damn George.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Quint

    by SonicRiver

    Google caffeine.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    fuckin' ay!

    by pills_26

    amazing pic. Keep them coming.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:18 p.m. CST

    1 more

    by thatfilmlover

    http://blackgirlsrockit.typepad.com/.a/6a010535f582e8970b0115707eb713970b-800wi ill say it again, hot damn George.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:19 p.m. CST

    the first 2 posts on this thread are absurd

    by greyspecter

    please delete them

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Darth Vader is Darth Vader

    by Bronx Cheer

    He's a pure creation of cinema. Credit Lucas for bringing together the physical, voice, and effects performances that made Vader a completely unique and memorable character. And damn him, if you will, for turning that same creation into a moron in the prequels.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    thatfilmlover

    by scottpilgrim2010

    UKIP is basically a British Nazi party. Nazi = Nationalist. David Prowse was a member, spokesperson, etc. for this party. Therefore David Prowse is a Nazi.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Hamill knew the real dialogue

    by mr teaspoon

    But they told him just moments before filming.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    The best thing about this picture...

    by Michael_Ceras_Hidden_Powers

    is that it reminds me of a simpler, more civilized age...when we knew that Star Wars would be great, and at least if it wasn't then we wouldn't have to hear people bitch about it for years and years on all the movie websites.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    David Prowse hates Star Wars

    by RPLocke

    He's always bemoaned it. Yet, has no problem charging fans 30 bucks for his signature.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by OneNutCode

    Agreed, Vader is what he is and Lucas did a great job of making him an icon. But it's got to suck for Prowse when people meet him on the street..."You're Darth Vader?! Do the Voice!..no no, like you did in the movie!"

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:23 p.m. CST

    scottpilgrim2010

    by thatfilmlover

    politics isn't your Forte, I suggest you throw in the towel now sir. Maybe try looking up The UK INDEPENDENCE PARTY on wikipedia and then coming back and apologizing for not knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    UKIP IS A NATIONALIST PARTY

    by scottpilgrim2010

    It says so in the name. David Prowse is a member, spokesperson, etc. for this party. Therefore David Prowse is a nazi.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I have no interest in debating politics on a AICN talkback

    by thatfilmlover

    good day sir.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:29 p.m. CST

    No wonder Lucas banned him

    by freshloop

    I had no idea he was involved with UKIP. What a fucking idiot. I'll never look at Darth Vader the same way again.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Note That Lucas Isn't Even In This Pic

    by LaserPants

    He seems to have had little direct involvement with the best film in his series. Telling!

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    note that you're the millionth person

    by mr teaspoon

    to make that observation.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:56 p.m. CST

    David Prowse is a dick

    by mnonilla80

    Met him at a convention years ago and he was a complete ass. Really rude to my friend and I were in line to get autographs. My friend hands him his prized Darth poster that he kept wrapped in a paper sleeve to protect it Prowse replies "Do you want me to sign this paper bag or can you take it off" in the most dick tone possible.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Now that is one great shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by JonChambers

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Note That I Don't Give A Fuck

    by LaserPants

    Jackass.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Couldn't hide the secret from James Earl Jones...

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Unless he recorded a few different lines and they didn't tell him which one was going in the final movie. Uh, wait. That was a stupid post. I take it back.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Is Lucas in the pic? No.<p>Maybe he TOOK the pic!

    by StarWarsRedux

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Depth of background

    by Das UberMan!

    Please forgive me for not discussing David Prowse's politics, as endlessly fascinating as that topic may be. Is it as deep as it looks or is that an illusion caused by painting the floor in a way to give false perspective? I believe that's what was done in the scene from Star Wars I when Obi Wan shut down the shield generator.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Prowse overestimated his importance

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Lets be honest, most tall actors with a little talent could have played Vader. The power of Vader was Earl Jones voice and John William's accompanying score.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Thats cool they built a real life Cloud City

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    an then scrapped it after filming was over. I'm guessing they let it fall somewhere over the Pacific Ocean.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Lucas never dumps his props.

    by RPLocke

    Lucas saves everything so he doesn't have to keep rebuilding shit over and over. Star Trek could have learned that lesson.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Hamill knew Vader was his father. 30 sec. before the shot

    by Tall_Boy66

    Or something crazy close to shooting like that. Either Krishner or Lucas or both took him aside and told him. I forget the specific details but the "Obi-Wan killed your father!" on-set is true. Personally, I think they should have done the quickie-whisper to both Prowse and Hamill. But Prowse sure did wave that glove around with conviction. I don't think he's 100% Darth Vader, but the man conveyed a lot through body language. But it was a combination of a lot of things that made the character so iconic. For the record, I think James Earl Jones' best vocal performance of Vader is in ESB. Listen to all the movies, the tone of the voice changes each one (that may also have to do with different vocal FX on each one). ESB is the scarriest with JEJ voice, and a bit more growling.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    agreed about JEJ voice

    by thatfilmlover

    my favourite line being "the force is with you young Skywalker...but you are not a JEDI yet."

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:20 p.m. CST

    So no news here about the Star Wars TV show being SHITCANNED

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    It's over on Dark Horizons and a few other sites. Lucas has stopped development on the proposed live action Star Wars. The scripts are written but it's too big and too costly to produce for television. <p> <p> Too costly for Lucas?!?! <p> <p> We all know what this means. Give it four or five years. <p> <p> New Star Wars movies. <p> <p> And for some reason, stand-alone movies set in the post-Sith, pre-New Hope galaxy, written and directed by other people? I could get on board with that.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Great picture as usual Quint, thanks!

    by NeverTalksBack

    Always partial to the ESB pics, still my favorite movie of all time. Even though as a 5 year old it turned my little life upside down! :p

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:26 p.m. CST

    JEJ is ESB is awesome.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    In the ORIGINAL Empire Strikes Back, not the Special Edition. <p> <p> In the original, after the revelation and Luke deliberately leaping to his doom rather than take Vader's hand, you get Vader growling, "BRING MY SHUTTLE". It sounds pissed off, threatening, curt, annoyed, and... well... there's strangely some kind of emotion there. <p> <p> For NO fucking reason whatsoever, in the Special Edition, it becomes an almost bored sounding "blah blah blah alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." <p> <p> Another change that makes no sense and wasn't needed. See also: Artoo getting spat out the swamp and Luke's "you were lucky to get outta there" instead of the original, somewhat amusing "you're lucky you don't taste very good". Or in Jedi, with blind Han trying to blast Lando free of the Sarlacc tentacles: the cool and cocky and very Solo-like "ah, trust me!" becomes "no it's okay, I can see fine now".

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:37 p.m. CST

    reboot

    by SmokingRobot

    George should sell the rights to SW and let someone else have TOTAL CONTROL over it. It's so fucked up now it really needs to start over.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    SmokingRobot

    by RPLocke

    He did. It's called Clone Wars, yet people are still shitting on Lucas because Clone wars isn't following that oh so strict Expanded EU.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Star Wars will return to glory one day.

    by thatfilmlover

    one day.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:44 p.m. CST

    SmokingRobot

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Not necessarily sell the rights.... Just stop setting everything in the fucking dull as ditchwater prequel days (which are narratively fucked anyway), and just make some "Tales From The Galactic Empire" stuff. Different movies. No episode numbers. A cool new gang getting into scrapes in that galaxy would be pretty cool, if the right people were allowed to write and direct it. Never even need to mention Jedi Knights and Sith Lords. <p> <p> Basically what I hoped the TV show would be.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Clone Wars...

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    ... is actually pretty fucking cool. Ive only watched from Season 2 onwards but it's WAY, WAY, WAY more "Star Wars" than the prequel movies. It;s what THEY should have been

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Prowse should blow Lucas on a daily basis

    by Rupee88

    Anyone could have worn that costume...esp for the sequels. He threw Prowse a bone by using him again and paying him anything more than scale. Ungrateful douche.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    The story behind the reveal

    by vadakinX

    Basically what happened was that the script had Vader revealing that Obi-Wan had killed Luke's father. Vader pretty much implied that everything Luke had been told had been a lie. <p> On the day of shooting, Prowse was given specific instructions by Kershner in how he should move physically and Hamill was told to react to Prowse's physical movements rather than what he was saying. <p> As has been mentioned already, Hamill was told the truth just before shooting. <p> When James Earl Jones read the line for his voice sessions he assumed that Vader was lying about being Luke's father, as did a lot of cinema goers apparently. <p> What is interesting is that the evidence seems to point to Lucas coming up with the idea after the release of Star Wars, not before it like he says now. In all his notes, pre-77, not one mention is made of Luke's dad and the villain being the same person. <p> What does this mean? Well unless Lucas has some notes stashed away that he never showed anyone, it means that, when Obl-Wan says: <p> "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father." <p> That was the story. There was no secret revelation about Vader. He was just a Jedi gone bad who killed Anakin and turned on the Jedi. It seems that Anakin and Obi-Wan were Jedi Knights together, and best friends, rather than being master and apprentice. Vader was Obi-Wan's apprentice. Perhaps he was jealous of the friendship his master had with Anakin. But in any case it seems that originally, Vader would betray Anakin and Obi-Wan and help bring the Jedi down. Vader would be the only one left. <p> Then at some point before getting ready to start work on Empire, or maybe even during preproduction, Lucas hit upon the idea of Anakin and Vader being one and the same. What if Luke's dad was the one who had gone bad? What if Luke had to save his dad from himself? Brackett's draft makes no mention of Vader being Luke's Dad but given the secrecy around the film, it's certainly possible that Lucas played his cards close to his chest. Regardless of when Lucas came up with the idea, it's clear that just a handful of people were aware of the truth. <p> Lucas himself, obviously. Kasdan, who wrote the later drafts had to know because he needed to write a scene where the dialogue could be replaced. Kershner had to know because he had to direct the scene a certain way for it to make sense. Hamill had to know so he could play off it. Jones had to know because he recorded the line. Then you have the editors, sound technicians etc. I would think it was a pretty small group. <p> Ultimately we ended up with a great moment in cinema history but a part of me will always wonder what the sequel to the biggest film of all time would have been like if Lucas had stuck to the idea of Vader and Anakin being two different people.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by Rupee88

    duh...anyone who thinks Lucas thought it up before Star Wars is a retard...and it was one of the lamest moments in cinema history, not one of the greatest. Everyone doesn't have to be fuckng related.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:06 p.m. CST

    @vadakinx

    by VanGoghX

    I remember a quote by Hamill when during the filming of Episode 4 he had asked Lucas about Luke's father and Lucas replied that he had been killed by Obi-Wan during a battle on a volcano. Since this is what happened in Episode 3 I'd always felt that Lucas had indeed planned on Vader being Luke's father from the get go. But other than that quote I don't have anything to base it upon. You could be right. ;-)

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Lucas was just off camera...

    by matthooper8

    Contemplating how many toys he could sell from this scene... Lightsabers,Cloud City playset, Luke's severed hand made of white chocolate and about 12 dozen more.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Hey ScottPilgrimFan...

    by NeverTalksBack

    I want to see Scott Pilgrim real bad, I am in the minority of loving everything Michael Cera does. Too bad that doesn't change the fact that you are retarded ;) Why is it a person can't like all different kinds of movies?! I've never quite understood this. Hey TommyGavinsEgo I totally agree. Cannot watch ESB SE like ever! My biggest problem is the useless line readings from JANGO Fett, manages to ruin EVERY single original Boba Fett line, can't take it!!! :p

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:20 p.m. CST

    I'm not bashing it

    by vadakinX

    As a screenwriter myself I know full well how stories change and evolve. I think it's quite remarkable that Lucas was able to take all these different ideas and pull them together to create a memorable series of films. <p> As for Hamill, there's a story from someone close to Lucas at that time (I can't remember who or where this comes from but I'm sure it's online) who claimed to have read notes about Star Wars back in '75 and saw mention of the name "Jar Jar Binks" <p> Lucas himself came out a few times after Star Wars and said there were going to be 12 films, then 9, then one film every 2 years from different directors, then 9 again. He finally settled on 6 after the divorce from Marcia and his work on Jedi burned him out. He raised his kids and started writing Menace in 94 or 95. <p> Gary Kurtz will tell you that Jedi is essentially episodes 6-9 condensed into just 6. Lucas denies this. There are so many quotes from so many different people who were around then that it's nigh on impossible to get a fully accurate picture of what was planned and what wasn't. <p> Things like the Planet Utapau from Episode 3...Utapau was the name of the desert planet in early drafts...it later became Tatooine of course. Organa was once a planet called Organa Major. <p> As far as the volcano fight goes, it seems to have originated from the novelisations. I think Jedi, but it's been a while since I read them. <p> I find the history of Star Wars absolutely fascinating and I don't care when Lucas came up with certain ideas. In the end, those ideas worked.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Fett has like 3 lines in the movie

    by RPLocke

    How does that ruin the character?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:44 p.m. CST

    I think Vader wasn't even Luke's father in early ESB drafts

    by Tall_Boy66

    Star Wars: Annotated Screenplays - Empire Strikes Back. Dunno where my copy is but I think Lieh Bracket (was that her name) wrote an early ESB draft that was way different (I think even Lando was a clone leftover from the clone wars or something crazy like that) and Vader wasn't Luke's father. I don't think Lucas knew in Star Wars that everyone was related, but there is a theme of father's in the movie (Luke pining about his lost father, Obi-Wan, etc.) and in those early Star Wars drafts you can find online (Utapau and Organa Major and the Kibur Crystal and all that jazz) there is a father figure. I think in the first draft of Star Wars somewhere online it starts with a Starkiller, I think, fighting a Sith/Jedi Bendu / whatever. So the "Father is important to the story" idea is there in at the core of the story and in the early drafts. If anything, Lucas just seemed on the fence about it, at least while they were still writing ESB in the 1st draft stages. I can't believe there are people out there who DON'T like the twist in ESB. Like, really?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    And the volcano fight I think was in the ROTJ script

    by Tall_Boy66

    I know it's in the novelization of ROTJ for sure, Obi-Wan explictly has a line in the book that says "when your father fell into that molten pit" because I would read that line in the novelization as a kid and it blew my mind with the possiblities and how it wasn't mentioned in the movie. Seems like a big fuckin deal. So, if the novelization of ROTJ is based on the ROTJ script, that's a pretty big fuckin thing for the writer to make up without the guidance from a script. So I'm fairly certain at some point in the ROTJ draft, it did mention the lava fight. Hell, maybe they even shot it. It's borderline impossible to find deleted scenes from the OT.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Volcano fight was in Jedi

    by RPLocke

    The Emperor's Throne Room is on some lava planet, and Obi Wan actually comes back from the dead and helps Luke fight Vader.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I remember that too

    by Tall_Boy66

    I think early on ROTJ was set on the galatic centre of the galaxy (not called Courscant, Timothy Zhan made that name up. Forget what it was called in ROTJ) and I think the Emperor was building two death stars or something crazy like that. I think the throne room they ended up with in Jedi made more sense, and making Mustafar an industrial volcano planet in Sith kinda worked too. Having a leader have a throne room on a lava planet is a bit odd for a day-to-day paperwork that galatic rulers engage in. Slip of the finger and you're torcing half of your imperial decrees by accident.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Also Luke solo finale fight is way better

    by Tall_Boy66

    I don't think even my staunch Star Wars fandom could have bought Obi-Wan comming back from the dead. Seems like a cheat. Motherfucker already came back to drop some exposition already, despite being dead. Luke solo "I am a Jedi. Like my father before me." = pure gold.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:08 p.m. CST

    NeverTalksBack / RPLocke

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Sorry Locke, gotta go with Never... Proper Boba had that really cool, Man With No Name, low long drawl going on. Boba Mk II is just.. well... Temuera Morrison in a room somewhere sort of biting the lines out. <p> <p> It's not the biggest deal breaker - in fact, bizarrelly, Empire gets away with being the one that may have actually been enhanced in some ways by the Special Ed's, apart from the needless extension of the Falcon in Cloud City. The changes aren't as in your face and over the top as in Star Wars and Jedi. <p> <p> It just pisses me off the Lucas felt the need to change Fett's voice. "Oh he's a Clone, so he has to be EXACTLY THE SAME as Jango. What, in 30 years Boba didn't get around a little, pick up another accent or something? That would've explained it. You just know in the BluRays all the stormtroopers will have Temuera Morrison's voice.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Opening up Cloud City in the SE ESB is fantastic

    by Tall_Boy66

    I will say I do love the windows and expansive vistas they gave to Cloud City in ESB. I actually love when they're running to save Han from Boba and they're right by a ledge at sunset. Looks real sweet. (But they should have maybe added a bit of red shading to the closeups of Threepio and Artoo). You know what was the best change to the ESB for the DVD (aside from the Ian McDirmid Emperor which I totally just love) - THEY FIXED HANS FUCKING DISAPPEARING/REAPPEARING JACKET IN THE "I KNOW" shot. No, really. Watch the original ESB. In the closeup when he says "I know" he's wearing his jacket. They digitally erased it fairly well to make it look like he IS wearing his white shirt. That always drove me nuts. That and the sparkler shot of Obi-Wan's lightsaber in ANH, which also got tweaked for the DVD. (one shot in Star Wars, Obi-Wan waves his lightsaber downward and it turns into a stick with a light at the end of it. Glad that one is changed.) Basically, when you weigh the positives to the negatives in the SE's, they positives way outweigh the missteps aka Jedi Rocks/ Han Shoots First. Now he and Gredo shoot at, like, the exact same time.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:34 p.m. CST

    The changed lines in Jedi and Empire were not arbitrary

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    changes made by Lucas. Apparently the audio was damaged in those scenes, and alternate line readings had to be used. The special edition of Empire is good for the most part. The expanded Cloud City is better than the rebels running through some cheap ass cardboard corridors on a soundstage, but the re-using of alternate angles of the Death Star docking bay from Jedi is tacky. I hope Lucas gives us vastly revised special editions of the prequels for the blu-ray editions, too.<p>As far as the canned SW television series is concerned; who cares? The proliferation of EU material has run SW into the ground and sickened the general public to it. SW should ONLY be a cinematic experience. There will be Ep. 7-9, you can bet on it. Post-Jedi. Mo-capped actors. Lucas will be secretly jealous of Avatar and Cameron stealing the glory. I hope Spielberg directs them and Lucas produces. Get a good screenwriter to pen them.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Boba Fett/Temuera Morrison

    by UtinniPuccini

    I agree that his delivery for the ESB DVD was terrible. They had him in the studio recording clone voices and basically just said "oh by the way, do a few lines for the DVD" and had him do the Boba lines with no preparation and in only a few takes (they did the same with Ian McDiarmid right after he'd finished shooting a senate scene... you'll notice at the beginning of his scene in ESB he seems slightly lost). However, he's done Boba's voice in other material with more preparation and he does a much better job. I still prefer the original voice and think the change was unnecessary, but I've come to live with it.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    NO GREENSCREEN. And THAT gentlemen, is HOW YOU DO IT.

    by Se7en

    Nuff said.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I saw Star Wars in Concert and they had a digital Yoda in TMP

    by Tall_Boy66

    So there's a digital Yoda in Ep. 1. Looks solid, but it is erasing Frank Oz's final pupetry performance ever, but I'm not TOO broken up about that. Star Wars in Concert totally rocks, by the way. Saw it twice in one day, just cuz I was drunk and figured it's not exactly a band that's gonna ever tour again, y'know?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by RPLocke

    I saw the SW In Concert, too, and it was awesome, but the Yoda thing was in a Behind the Scenes feature on the Attack of the Clones DVD.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:02 p.m. CST

    One possible mistake in the prequels..

    by The Dark Shite

    Well, aside from the millions of other mistakes in the prequels, that is..<p> In ESB, when Luke goes off to save the others, against the wishes of Yoda, the "Spirit" Obi Wan looks worried & says says something like "He's our last hope", to which Yoda replies that there's another. It's a major scene & given the ending, I always took that as a hint towards Leia being Luke's sister. <p> Since the prequels clearly show Obi Wan rescuing both Vadey babies & placing them with their respective families, he clearly knows this already.<p> So, to me at least, that changes the power of that scene & makes it slightly pointless. Yoda & Obi Wan are now simply having a normal conversation about stuff they both know already, which totally ruins the gravity of the scene & makes it a bit odd. <p> A friend of mine says that when he watches that, he just thinks that Obi Wan rescued them, but doesn't think Leia could have any Jedi in her. That's fair enough, but a bit silly considering she's made up of half a pint of Jedi juice. His other way is that he can look at it as hinting at something else & that they could in a way, even be talking about the potential for Vader to come back to the good side. I think that one's just clutching at straws :-). <p> Personally, I just think it shouldn't be so hard to make prequels to movies which, to be honest, have very basic plots & not go against such a pivotal scene. It's not as if it was a tiny plot point that could easily be overlooked.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:08 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by RPLocke

    No. It's clear that Obi Wan didn't want to drag Leia into to face Vader. When he says, "That boy is our last hope," he's telling Yoda not to drag Leia into this. But Yoda says, "There is another." Obi Wan flat out tells Leia in Jedi Leia is his sister, so he knew even in the third movie.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Oh.

    by The Dark Shite

    I haven't seen it for a long time, but I watched it a million times when I was a kid & that bothered me a lot when I saw the prequels.<p> Having said that, you sound similar to my friend too. Because at no point does Obi Wan actually say he doesn't wanna drag Leia into it. It also doesn't explain why he was shitting bricks. So again it depends how you look at it & how you want to see it, just like my mate chooses to look at it in a way that makes sense to him. <p> But I prefer your answer to it making no sense at all, so I'm willing to go with it.<p>

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I suppose that's true RPLocke

    by Fuzzyjefe

    'from a certain point of view'. ;) <p> THAT SHIT always pissed me off. Obi Wan playing a semantics game with Luke after his entire world has been FUCKED UP. At least he didn't tell him his dad had always been a whiny douche.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:18 p.m. CST

    But I guess there's a certain freedom

    by Fuzzyjefe

    that comes from bein a force ghost. Hell, I suppose he could have told him, "Yeah, and your dad was a pissy little bitch....soooooo, he wasn't really what I'd call a 'good friend' either. Oh, and he pretty much killed your mother too."

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah Killik..

    by The Dark Shite

    That's my mate's theory too. Although like I said above, I think that's clutching at straws a little. <p> It's hard to know how to take it, when in real life there's a guy like Lucas, who clearly made a bunch of it up as he went along. It's like when people desperately try to make sense of some loose ends in BSG, despite the fact that Moore et al admit they were winging it to a certain extent.<p> I can't help thinking that with a bit more effort the prequels could have made everything fit together.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    I just hope when the OT hits blu

    by Fuzzyjefe

    that Yoda doesn't say as he fades away "Tell Chewbacca hello I say."

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I thought Leia realises..

    by The Dark Shite

    at the point when Luke contacts her telepathically to come & rescue him. That's why the scene in the swamp always came across as a hint, with the rescue being the pay off. Except it's one that isn't really announced & only makes sense once you see the ROTJ. <p> But, who knows? Like my Gran always said, "Never trust a man with a beard".

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    You young whippersnappers always...

    by Frisco

    ...refer to this as the scene where Vader "reveals" that he's Luke's father. For those of us who saw this movie in the theater and sweated out three long years to find out if Vader was lying or not, this will always be the scene where Vader CLAIMS to be Luke's father. <p> Damn, it would suck to have watched the original trilogy for the first time on tape or DVD. To have a three-year, anguished, spoiler-free wait reduced to a few minutes. Hell, if I ever have kids I'm sure I'll introduce them to these films chronologically by release date just to save them from Lucas's mystery-killing fuck up in Episode 3.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Y'know, I always thought that Lucas DID have

    by Fuzzyjefe

    some idea that Vader was actually Luke's dad, 'cause in Star Wars when Beru says 'He just has too much of his father in him', Owen replies 'That's what I'm afraid of'. <p> That always seemed like a big ol' hint to me in hindsight.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Omg, I set that as my laptop background

    by SithMenace

    Thanks Quint.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    I'm with you Frisco

    by Fuzzyjefe

    I remember debating with my buddies whether he was lying or not. It would be just like an evil Sith Lord to LIE to Luke just to get him on his side. <p> And it WAS a pretty big deal when ol' Yoda sighs and tells Luke "Your father he is" in ROTJ. And then it was pretty unsettling when you found out the Leia was his sister and thought back to his very strong attraction....not to mention the big ol' smoochie-poo she planted in Empire.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Btw, I'm reading The Journey Of Luke Skywalker

    by SithMenace

    It's a Jungian based interpretation of the original trilogy. I feel the author is reaching with a couple of things, but for the most part it's a fascinating book. It goes beyond the mythological roots of the films and really gets down to what some consider the reason for the phenomenal success, the psychological foundation. <p>Highly recommended for anyone that hasn't read it.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:41 p.m. CST

    TommyGavinsEgo...

    by ndjaz83

    You are so right about the "'Bring my shuttle" line from Empire. That is the change that annoyed me the most out of all the other retarded changes in the Special Editions. Every time I mention it I get looked at like I'm crazy, so I'm glad someone else gets just how great that one short line was. It gave me chills everytime I heard it.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Old Obi Wan was a secrets keeper

    by RPLocke

    Imagine all the problems Luke could have avoided if Ben had told Luke about everything in Star Wars?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Yoda puppet in E1

    by UtinniPuccini

    The Yoda puppet looked horrible in Episode 1. And even if it is Frank Oz's last physical performance as Yoda, by that point he was already getting tired of puppeteering. CGI Yoda was actually his idea- he suggested it to Lucas, and Lucas was originally going to do a puppet for Episode 2, but Rob Coleman did a CG test recreating a scene from ESB. Lucas and Oz were both impressed enough with it that they went full CG. Oz was happier just coming into a recording studio and spending a few hours doing the voice instead of sweating under the set for days.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    "that boy is our last hope"

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    At the time of ESB Leia being Luke's sister was not the plan. That story development mainly came about in ROTJ as a means for GL to hastily tie up loose ends as he no longer wanted to do anymore SW flicks.<P> Originally he had planned on making SW 7-9 and in those movies the intention was for the "other" to be another Jedi character (possibly Luke's sister) who was to play a larger role later on.<P> Also that line was added in to add tension to the situation for viewers by implying that Luke very well could die...and someone else could come in to fight the good fight.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Dark Shite

    by SithMenace

    I know there are alot of urban legends as to the status of a sequel trilogy, and Lucas denies it now, but if you listen to older interviews with Lucas, cast and crew, it's clearly obvious that there were more films planned after ROTJ. From what I've read, Lucas planned another trilogy, which would have been 7, 8 and 9, but decided not to do it. In the sequel trilogy, again, from what I've heard and read, the second Death Star would have appeared, as well as Coruscant and the "other hope". But whatever happened to Lucas, divorce, tech limitations and/or switching focus to build a corporation, for some reason he decided to cram it all into ROTJ. Along with that he decided to retcon that particular story seed into Leia being Luke's sister. Regardless of what he says now, the biggest indication of this is the kiss in Empire between Luke and Leia.<p>Or you can do what I do, ignore the prequels and remember the story you had written in your head as a kid, especially that Anakin was raised on Tatooine at the farm and Owen Lars was his brother-in-law, Beru was his sister, and Lars tried to keep him from following Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11 p.m. CST

    My six year old daughter has become a huge fan of this

    by jimbojones123

    Site in the past few weeks. Starting with the Ghostbusters pic, she wants to check everyday. Thanks for giving us something to bond over and her something to peak her creative interest.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Also, on Leia being Luke's sister

    by UtinniPuccini

    Yeah, that came after ESB. Lucas originally intended for Luke's sister to be a new character entirely, to be covered in episodes 7-9, but after all the burnout involving both his divorce and the stressful production of ESB, he condensed everything, decided to make Leia the sister to tie up that loose end (and he couldn't go back, since Yoda had already hinted at it). I guess you could take her hearing Luke's Force-plea as some kind of early sign, but that wasn't really the intention at the time.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:02 p.m. CST

    I think I'll follow your second one.

    by The Dark Shite

    It would make life so much nicer. Besides, if a bloke called SithMenace says it, he probably knows what he's talking about:-).

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Nice

    by SithMenace

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    To be fair....the "another" issue

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...was not a prequel trilogy issue, it was an OT problem as sithmenace suggested. It involved retconning to quickly tie up loose ends.<P> Obi Wan even stated in ROTJ that he knew of Leia's existence so again it was an OT issue. All the PT did in this case was solidify things and follow the retconned ROTJ story element by showing Luke and Leia being born together onscreen.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:08 p.m. CST

    a bloke called fat rancor keeper said it too....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Me and sith were likely typing at the same time, lol.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Love it! Love this column.

    by moonlightdrive

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:11 p.m. CST

    I still think they could've killed Han early on

    by SithMenace

    in ROTJ and introduced the sister character. It would've been sweet if she was a disguised thug/bounty hunter in Jabba's palace that had been tracking Luke since Empire, then fought in the Battle of Endor while Luke fought Vader and the Emperor. It would have raised the tension that much more for Luke's situation and could have possibly introduced a minor love triangle for Han, Leia and the sister.<p>Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, because aside from the obvious retcons, I really like ROTJ, although it was a weaker sequel than Empire.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Yeah, just noticed that.

    by The Dark Shite

    fat_rancor_keeper, won't do it again m'lord.<p> & I'll throw a little kudos UtinniPuccini's way too. I've actually started my ROTJ DVD, so I missed a bit.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Great Talkback

    by SithMenace

    It's so nice to see a SW discussion aside from "prequels suck" and "Lucas raped my childhood".

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    RP Locke

    by NeverTalksBack

    I actually didn't say it ruined the character. But it does bother the shit outta me! :p I'd be fine with it if temuera morrison actually read ANY of the Boba Fett lines correctly. He messes up the tone, the accents, pretty much everything.Yes Fett doesn't have many lines, but that really misses the point. UtinniPuccini... yeah it just bugs me too, it sounds like he was rushed, I thought he was fine as Jango ;)

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:15 p.m. CST

    rotj.......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...could have been a whole lot better. For me the best parts were the scenes with Luke/Vader and the Emperor. That finally makes up for all the weaker or rehashed story elements for me.<P> The SE added in Jedi Rocks number in Jabba's palace........WOW I REALLY HOPE GL DITCHES THAT IN THE BLU-RAY - or goes back a modified version of lapti-nek. It's fucking atrocious. Worst scene in the whole saga. Worst than the ewoks, Jar-Jar, "noooooo", Luke & leia's kiss, "sand gets everywhere" and Dooku's retarded flip.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah fat_rancor_keeper, you beat me to it

    by SithMenace

    by 2 seconds. But you know what they say, great minds and all.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Oh and thanks TommyGavinsEgo ;)

    by NeverTalksBack

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:20 p.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lol

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:21 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by SithMenace

    I ff through Jedi Rocks every time I watch the dvd. It's ashame that Lucas can't smarten up and keep the good additions, Mos Eisley (aside from Han shooting first), improved backdrops, Cloud City, and remove the crap, Han shooting first, Jabba sequence in ANH, Boba's voice in Empire, Jedi Rocks and the ridiculous Sarlaac Pit face.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Another Clue?

    by westie

    I always took the quick dialogue between Uncle Owen and Aunt Veru as a clue after the fact. The whole "You can't keep him here forever, Owen, he'd not a farmer. Luke's got too much of his father in him." And Owen answering, "That's what I'm afraid of."

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:22 p.m. CST

    ROTJ

    by UtinniPuccini

    What bugs me the most about ROTJ is the way act 1 tells one story, and then another one begins in act 2. There's little connection between them and it absolutely kills the momentum of the movie. ROTS has a similar problem where the momentum dies after they rescue Palpatine, but at least the story from that sequence carries over into the rest of the film.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    .....

    by westie

    I know it could just mean going off to fight, but after watching them all a hundred times it seems that Owen knows a bit more than he's letting on. Just like my Uncle Owen.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Let us not forget this little tidbit....

    by Fuzzyjefe

    according to the prequels, Luke and Threepio are 'brothers', from a certain point of view. Kinda gives a new twist on Threepio's 'Thank the maker!' line in Star Wars, don't it?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    westie

    by SithMenace

    I'm pretty sure the whole Vader as Luke's father was planned from the beginning, but there's too much evidence that points to Lucas retconning the sister story.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by NeverTalksBack

    I do agree that the ESB special edition actually has some lovely improvements. Mostly making Cloud City look even cooler. It's the Boba fett lines and of course changing rightfully angry Vader's line after the duel "Prepare my shuttle for my arrival..." or whatever it is just takes all the anger & frustration out of it. Vader always had a very cool demeanor, this showed his emotions, still don't understand why you would change that.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:25 p.m. CST

    This IS a random question...why no CLONE Jedi?

    by ToMonicker

    Was it official because of C'Baoth(meh. You know, Zahn's crazy Jedi)was insane? Did Lucas ever come down on an official reason why there were no Jedi Clones?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    clone jedi......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    probably touched on in the EU. I think in the SW unleashed 2 game the main character is possibly a clone. Those games are meant as SW canon.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Fuzzyjefe

    by SithMenace

    The creation of 3PO by Anakin was one of the things that annoyed me the most about the prequels. Not everyone has to be connected, and it makes it that much harder to believe that there are 3PO droids on the Blockade Runner and Death Star almost if Anakin was able to construct that droid from spare parts 20 years earlier.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:28 p.m. CST

    BRING MY SHUTTLE

    by UtinniPuccini

    The reason that was changed? Because Lucas wanted to show him walking to his shuttle and then flying back to his star destroyer, and the line would've been bizarre if he said "BRING MY SHUTTLE" when it's right there. That said, yeah, the replacement line sounds like he's ordering a Coke. They could bring back BRING MY SHUTTLE just by removing that shot of him walking to his shuttle. Leave the part with him arriving, though... even if Moff Jerjerrod is there for absolutely no reason (besides it being an outtake from ROTJ).

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I always thought there was something off

    by SithMenace

    about the "Alert my Star Destroyer" or whatever it is line from Empire.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    westie.......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...at the time a new hope was made Vader was NOT Luke's father. Obi Wan was literally telling the truth when he said Luke's father was betrayed and murdered by Vader. Luke's father was simply another character. <P> So uncle Owen's line was just referring to Luke's dad being a jedi which was obviously a dangerous thing to be in any case - especially since they are mentioned as being hunted down and exterminated. As the saga progressed uncle owen's line took on a cool new meaning, and IMO that was actually pretty awesome.<P> The ambiguity is what saved the day on that one.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:32 p.m. CST

    I agree sithmenace

    by westie

    Even taking out the fact that "Vader" is "Father" in Dutch or something like that, I think there's a hell of alot of evidence pointing to the fact he thought of it all along, just kept it reaaaaaalllly close to the vest. I don't see how you can have Luke leaning back and sporting a chubby after getting in a toungue fight with his sister if you had the idea then. Could have made Han jealous another way.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah SithMenace

    by Fuzzyjefe

    when Bail Organa told that dude to 'wipe this one's memory' at the end of Revenge, I thought to myself "mine too, please". <p> ALMOST as bad as that: Artoo's leg rockets that he could have used on Dagobah to save himself a metric ton of trouble.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Force Unleashed

    by UtinniPuccini

    Isn't on the same level of canon as the movies. Actually, the only thing that is, is the current Clone Wars. Everything else is still considered EU, even Force Unleashed. Yes, I know the creators said Lucas was heavily involved- a lot of EU people say that. His biggest contribution to the story was "eh, give the guy a love interest."

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Fuzzyjefe....nice line w/ the mindwipe

    by westie

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I agree with your likes and dislikes with the SE. I am one of the many that is hoping when the blu-rays come out GL comes to his senses and leaves in the new stuff that works, fixes what should have been fixed long ago, and for God's sake puts back the Han/Greedo scene.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:35 p.m. CST

    westie

    by SithMenace

    Aside from everything I've read, that is the biggest single indication the Leia story was a retcon. If I were Luke in ROTJ on the Ewok bridge, I would've puked. Good movie though.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Another thing.....

    by westie

    ....I actually could turn to you guys for; besides from the fact that Vader knows at the end of A New Hope that "The Force is strong with this one." Was there any other indicator of how he found out about Luke?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Fuzzyjefe

    by SithMenace

    I know right? Lucasfilm's explanation was that the warranty had expired on the leg rockets by the time Empire rolled around. Really?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:37 p.m. CST

    How Vader found out about Luke

    by UtinniPuccini

    According to the EU, he tortured a few rebels until someone finally told him the name of the hotshot who blew up the Death Star.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:38 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by SithMenace

    Amen. And I'm not even religious.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks Utinni

    by westie

    Guess that makes sense. Although does raise the idea of why didn't the change Luke's name on Tattooine anyway, but I'm not about to pull those movies apart on every level.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:40 p.m. CST

    westie

    by SithMenace

    I didn't know about the EU explanation that UtinniPuccini mentioned, But I just figured in the 3 years that passed between ANH and Empire (Storywise), Vader used his resources to find out who was so strong with the Force, imo to destroy him, then found out who he was.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Force Unleashed canon........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I don't know..many fans disagree...but according to this quote "All these characters are going into the continuity, they’ll all be canon, and they’re all part of the Star Wars galaxy." -Haden Blackman(writer of the storyline in TFU and many other star wars comics & books) the games are canon. For better or worse it's filling some of the void between ep. III & IV.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Actually the EU explanations

    by SithMenace

    fit with my assumptions.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    And for the record.....

    by westie

    .....I know we can all shit on Leie being his sister all we want, but at the end of Jedi, when Vader brings up Leie when Luke refuses to fight, and uses her to bring out Luke's rage and anger, his hate that makes the bloodline so strong....kinda like the terrible legacy of the Skywalkers.....I still get chills.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I'm tired.....

    by westie

    ...believe me, I do know her name is Leia.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:46 p.m. CST

    westie

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Truthfully all the movies really came from a rough outline.<P> Everything was refined and shaped as GL went along.<P> It's really not any different then when you are writing a report or a paper for a class. You have an outline of what you want to do...you roughly go through it modifying things as you plug along, at the end you go back and refine parts and hopefully it all makes sense.<P> In the case of the SW saga this all took place onscreen. Yeah it can be picked apart...but I've found there's more fun in just enjoying the movies for what they are, warts and all. Plus since GL likes tinkering whose to say how the movies may play on the future blu-rays or the 3d releases down the line?

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I just watched what you're talking about..

    by The Dark Shite

    I've never actually seen my ROTJ Special Edition DVD. This TB gave me the urge to watch it & I'm currently up to the scenes in Jabba's palace. WTF? It's like watching Sesame Street! <p> Presumably, it's to make that scene a little more kiddy friendly, but it ruins it totally! Today's Slave girl death was brought to you by the letter G.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    UtinniPuccini

    by NeverTalksBack

    Good point, that makes sense. Still annoying though :p

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Rancor keeper

    by westie

    Believe me, I do totally agree man. I prefer to sit back and enjoy. And Dark Shite, the letter G comment is one of the reasons I will always come back and read stuff here. Hilarious.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Rancor keeper

    by westie

    Believe me, I do totally agree man. I prefer to sit back and enjoy. And Dark Shite, the letter G comment is one of the reasons I will always come back and read stuff here. Hilarious.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    FU canon

    by UtinniPuccini

    It IS part of the official Lucasfilm canon. But, there are different tiers of it. The movies are at the highest, the new cartoon slightly lower, and games, comics, novels, etc. fall below that. But the only tiers considered to be strict canon are the movies and the Clone Wars. Everything else is still considered part of EU.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Double Posts suck Grand Moff Tarkin's nuts

    by westie

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Dark Shite

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    another problem with the jabba scene is what you are watching is 1997 CG not even 2004 CG when the dvd's came out. <P>In any case the CG would look outdated as hell. Since most every creature in the OT is a costume or a puppet the computer creatures stick out like a sore thumb. The jedi rocks song also is fucking atrocious. Takes me right out of the movie each time.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    UtinniPuccini

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    true that......lol, I forgot about the levels. Only in SW could there be varying levels of continuity. : P

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    The decision to make Leia Luke's sister

    by submarinevoyage

    On the making of video that came with the old VHS Star Wars trilogy, in an interview done in the 80s, Lucas was open about deciding late in the game to make Leia Luke's sister. He said his main motivation was that he needed something really big to push Luke extremely far to the edge of joining the dark side -- something Vader would seize upon and exploit -- and the idea of Leia as the hidden sister Vader would threaten to corrupt was what he chose. Anyway, that's what Lucas said on the subject, whether you choose to believe him or not...

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Prequels Suck

    by Bob_Dole

    And Lucas raped my childhood. :P Actually I didn't have too many problems with the prequels aside from some spotty dialogue and questionable casting/acting. I loved seeing them in the theater, as the only original I was able to see in the theater as a youngster was ROTJ (and I was 3 or 4, so...). I really thought Episode III was spectacular. I did. I genuinely enjoyed it. Would love to see more Star Wars movies if they were done right...

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Would Vader and Luke's combined strength have been enough?

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I've been wondering this for thirty years. As we all know during their fight in ESB Vader tells Luke, "With our combined strength we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy." But did the two of them really have enough combined power to pull that off if Luke had accepted the deal? I don't know. The force is strong and everything, but so is the power required to bring down the Emperor (who is no stranger to the force himself and who orchistrated the fall of the Jedi in the first place), the Imperial Fleet, and the entire Empire. Of course, Vader is just as likely talking about bringing down the Rebellion instead of the Empire, but still...I just don't know.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST

    submarinevoyage

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    yea.....that was the other major reason he did that. it was a means for Luke to snap and nearly kill Vader. <P>However in doing so he also killed not 2 but 3 birds with one stone by establishing who the "other" was and ending the love triangle once and for all between luke/leia and Han....that's why we got the hammy moment where Leia tells han Luke is her brother at the end of RoTj. GL had to subtly acknowledge what he'd hinted at in the previous 2 movies for better or worse.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:57 p.m. CST

    What about in Attack of the Clones?

    by westie

    I always thought Jedis were so powerful, but a platoon of them get mowed down by a bunch of droids at the end of that flick. God, what a letdown.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I agree, that scene in Jedi where Vader mentions Leia

    by SithMenace

    is very powerful, and it makes you worry about Luke yet again. I enjoy these films immensely, and aside from the few things that don't add up, they're an amazing accomplishment in film making, especially for the era.

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 11:59 p.m. CST

    westie

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    yeah man....also palpatine makes short work of 3 jedi's in ROTS and eventually mace too. It is admittedly inconsistent.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:04 a.m. CST

    "Hear me" in ESB make sense to me only if they're related

    by Tall_Boy66

    Of course, there's also that scene in Sith when Anakin and Pamde have a moment like that, so maybe there's some psychic underpinnings to the Jedi after all. But I always assume they had to have been related to sense each other. Vader spoke to Luke in his head. But he's his dad. Anakin/Padme's scene is ambiguous in Sith that they "hear" each other, which is why I like it so much.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:05 a.m. CST

    ExcaliburFfolkes

    by SithMenace

    To me that scene expressed the first glimpse of goodness in Vader. Yeah, he wants to conquer the universe still, but imo that scene shows the desire for love and bonding with his son, and a sense of remorse for what he's become.<p>On another level, there was alot of backstabbing going on there between Vader and the Emperor. Vader wanted to overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy with his son at his side, basically a power play, and the Emperor wanted to replace Vader with a younger, more dangerous dark Jedi. There's so much going on in that one particular scene, and then it gets capped by the stunning choice Luke makes to risk death rather than stand at his his father's side.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I won't be watching that scene again.

    by The Dark Shite

    Not only are you right about the CG fat_rancor_keeper (it looks drawn on & the least said about that fuzzy brown guy's mouth coming right up to the screen, the better), but it ruins what to me was always a cool part of the movie. <p> I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, I just like it, but I adored it as a kid & that was the part where you realised how baddass Luke had become. It was one of my childhood "Woah" moments. Adding that stupid song & CG really distracts from the danger & all round "Baddassery" of it. <p> Incidentally, black suited Luke was my favourite action figure as a kid, but my second was the Rancor Keeper. My Grandad called him Bully Beef:-).

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:07 a.m. CST

    i may be in the minority....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...but i think the clone wars cartoons are getting right much of what the PT got wrong. Anakin is actually likable and has a subtle darker side.<P> Obi wan also has a little more depth and is truly seen as a friend/teacher to anakin.<P>even the clone troopers are fleshed out and given personalities so you actually give a fuck about them.<P> It's almost as if GL and writers of the show took all the criticism against the PT movies and are trying to soother things over and give us a little more of what we thought we were going to see.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Sorry, I'm a bit behind the pace..

    by The Dark Shite

    of the TB,'cause I'm watching the movie as I write.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:11 a.m. CST

    You got it The Dark Shite

    by SithMenace

    Jedi Rocks completely dissipates the sense of danger and urgency and completely relieves all of the tension that was built up to that point. That's not a good thing, because the Jabba's palace sequence was incredibly well done and drove home the feeling that there were far worse things out there than the Empire.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    black suit luke was my favorite figure too despite my name, lol. <P> btw here's something like what I'd love to see GL put on the new blu-rays....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShRgJTHewxE it's a combo of the SE with the OT song for jabba's palace.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by SithMenace

    I agree that TCW gets alot of it right, but imo it's an extremely inconsistent show. There are eps that fly by and there are eps that I can't wait to end.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:13 a.m. CST

    2nd worse addition to the OT SE's...

    by Bootskin

    ...that gigantic Ronto (?) walking in front of the fucking camera right before the famous "These are not the droids you're looking for" scene..I mean, how fucking unnecessary was that???

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Speaking of figures...

    by SithMenace

    Have you guys seen the new figures on the vintage packaging? I'm not a collector, but as soon as I saw then hanging on the shelves it instantly took me back. Awesome, awesome move by Hasbro to bring those back after discontinuing the 2005 line.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Allright, I'm out

    by SithMenace

    But it was great talking to you guys. Spectacular talkback. Thanks to you also Quint.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

    sw figures do look prety cool

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    whenever I'm in comic stores I always find myself checking them out.....and the SW statues too.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:19 a.m. CST

    SithMenace

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    peace

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Bootskin

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    lol - you should youtube adywan's star wars revisited....he did away with the bad stuff, left in the good stuff and added some cool stuff of his own to anh.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:23 a.m. CST

    The Jabba in ANH DVD looks 900% better

    by Tall_Boy66

    I can see people not liking the Jabba scene in the first go around of the SE's, but once they fixed him up for the DVD release, I think it works quite well. Great set-up for Jedi, and I do like how Jabba is nicer to him which makes his total nastiness in ROTJ hit harder. He gave Han a shot!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Jabba scene

    by UtinniPuccini

    I think the main problem with the Jabba scene isn't the CG... it's just an unnecessary scene. We have the Greedo scene which establishes that Han owes a crime lord a lot of money... and then we have the Jabba scene which just re-asserts the same thing without really adding anything. As it stands now, it's just there to show off Jabba and Boba Fett, and not much else.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:36 a.m. CST

    TommyGavinsEgo

    by VitaminZ

    THANK YOU. "Bring my shuttle" was a killer line in the original TESB because Vader was So. Pissed. Off. when he said it. Literally everything about that change sucks. The new dub doesn't sound like Darth Vader. There's no emotion in the voice anyway. There's no need to show Darth Vader flying back to his Star Destroyer. (Didn't people just do the math on that for the first 17 years after TESB was released??) And the footage of him getting off the shuttle is clearly the same footage from ROTJ from a different angle. It's a complete fucking disaster of a change and more proof that George Lucas doesn't understand his own movies. It's probably the most annoying special edition change because it would be completely useless even if they did it right. Cleaning up special effects shots, making Mos Eisley and Bespin bigger cities, adding Jabba to ANH -- all those changes could sort of make the movie cooler to watch. Making a whole thing out of how Darth Vader got back to the Super Star Destroyer is a fucking debacle.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:37 a.m. CST

    That youtube version's a lot better fat_rancor_keeper!

    by The Dark Shite

    That's what I dislike about Lucas. For every scene he improves, he makes another worse with needless self-indulgent tinkering. <p> Oh & see ya SithMenace.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    the high water mark for SW

    by disfigurehead

    Now it's just useless shit.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    the problems with the jabba scene......

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    yeah the 2004 CG version is better but Han still steps on Jabba's tail. That's the equivalent of stepping on tony soprano's foot while discussing the money you owe him.<P> Also there's lots of repetition in the dialogue from the previous scene with Greedo. <p> Then there's the fact that it ruins the reveal of the millennium falcon which Luke sees moments later in a scene that has a grand music cue as it was originally the first time we all saw the falcon. Now we see the falcon as a background afterthought first...then moments later it's played off dramatically as a big deal when Luke sees it.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your news channel....

    by TheJudger

    Luke: "He told me enough... He told me fox killed him." <P> JEJ: No.... I am your CNN.... <P> Luke: "No.. No... That's not true... That's impossible!!!!"

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:14 a.m. CST

    CGI jabba sucks

    by TheJudger

    It should look like the puppet exactly. Should have used unseen footage of the original puppet somehow as a holo image on a 2 foot tall walker like they did in TPM. Han could have walked around it. Jabbas a fat lazy fuck. He wouldnt have done that shit.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:26 a.m. CST

    3P0

    by redkamel

    why would it not make sense that Anakin built a 3P0 droid from spare parts that identical to other ones? People build computers that are identical to mass market ones.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Mark Hamill knew the line.

    by catlettuce4

    He revealed that he was told by George, though nobody else really was. Makes sense too... he had to react, remember? Do you think the "No! That's impossible!" stuff was in regards to Obi Wan being his father? Nope.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Worst part of the Vader's Shuttle scene in SE

    by catlettuce4

    Is that it utterly ruins the amazing musical score that is building through the entire climax and escape from Bespin. Now it gets interrupted partway through with the music of the Vader scene. Pointless and disruptive! Lucas really doesn't get it sometimes.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:54 a.m. CST

    How can anyone hate on Jedi

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    when it contains "rebel scum" one of the coolest putdowns ever.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by catlettuce4

    Makes sense in retrospect that the mental message is because they are related. But looking at it another way, Luke got the same kind of messages from Ben already, and they were not related. It's a Force thing, and Leia and Luke were close, even if they were not related. Remember that at the end of ESB there was still an awkward love triangle subplot going on with Luke Leia and Han, made even more prominent by the events of ESB.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 2:19 a.m. CST

    If you have the old ESB trading cards

    by RPLocke

    the original dialog for the father scene is on the back of one of the cards. It's pretty cool.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Magic!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    That's what this is.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:35 a.m. CST

    re Adywan's A New Hope Revisited

    by DocPazuzu

    This is the retooled version Uncle George should have made. Like someone already mentioned, Adywan jettisoned the new shit that doesn't work and kept the cool stuff from the original version. Not only that, but he's added CG tweaks himself which work a lot better and has re-edited several scenes for more effect -- most notably the Vader/Obi-Wan duel, which is a much more intense battle than originally shown. All in all it's a staggering piece of work. And very easily found online.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:31 a.m. CST

    A new SW trilogy is a possibilty

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    The shelving of the TV show opens the way. Given his age, Lucas will shoot three films back-to-back with different directors. And it will be 3D with mo-cap and every other trick in the box. The main character will probably be Han and Leia's son. Yeah it'll probably suck but it will keep us geeks occupied for a few goos years.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    NO GREEN SCREEN!!!!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Remember how it was done back in the day, George? ;)

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:03 a.m. CST

    The directors for ep. 7-9 should be...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Steven Spielberg; Christopher Nolan; and Peter Jackson. Keep JJ Abrams away. Harrsion Ford is in dire need of a box office comeback, and may be more malleable to re-appearing as Han Solo now than he would have been in the past.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:12 a.m. CST

    despite a shitty start

    by thatfilmlover

    this talkback has been really great and a fun ride, god bless us everyone.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Alec Guiness On David Letterman

    by Jinxo

    I saw someone mention Alec Guiness feeling the dialogue in the Star Wars films was beneath him or something like that. Reminded me of a GREAT David Letterman moment. Alec Guiness was on and Letterman starts in about how Guiness has that one line in the movies he's really known for ("You know the one"), and Letterman is sure everyone asks him to say it, and he's sure it's very annoying. And you can see as Letterman is saying all this, Guiness is actually on the verge of annoyance and is uncomfortable as he answers, "Yes, it does get old." Then Letterman with a huge grin, knowing he's being a jerk goes, "Do it! Come on, do it." Guiness is clearly bugged and annoyed but the crowd is cheering for him to do it so he grudgingly gives in and says, "May the Force be with you." The crowd goes crazy! Once they calm down Letterman deadpans, "No that wasn't it." First off, insanely funny. But the real genius was Letterman had Alec Guiness reeeeeally wanting to kill him. But when he said, "That wasn't it," it made Alec Guiness laugh so hard too, where he knew he'd been had, that Lettterman instantly had Guiness back loving him.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST

    So that is an actual set?

    by Sailor Rip

    I assumed the catwalk was practical and the background was added in post.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Axl Z

    by Sailor Rip

    You can run and tell that. <p> <p> <p> Homeboy!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:50 a.m. CST

    The Whole Uncle Owen Thing

    by Crude

    In my opinion, that's where the entire saga falls apart. We now know that Anakin didn't have a brother (or a father, which makes him Space Jesus) as we watched his mother die, and there were no other siblings. So, that's FAIL #1. And, if you ARE going to hide someone from Darth Vader, would you seriously just leave him with his farking brother?? Are you THAT stupid, Obi Wan? That's FAIL #2. Why not just leave them with the Emperor?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Is that Spielberg?

    by The Chosen

    In the lower right corner, wearing a pink shirt?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    KilliK

    by Sailor Rip

    I like that theory too and it works better than the brother sister tdeal but in RotJ Luke asks Obi-Wan about the "other" Yoda mentioned and Obi replies "the other is your twin sister." <p> He could have been bsing him though.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:04 a.m. CST

    THE_CHOPPAH

    by Sailor Rip

    Hmm you're right. The wording IS wrong. <p> It should be "Han shot."

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Frisco

    by Sailor Rip

    At the end of Empire when Luke and Vader are talking telepathically don't they call each other "father" and "son"?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:26 a.m. CST

    things wrong with the special editions..

    by Six Demon Bag

    jedi rocks..yeah..<P>the vader demanding his shuttle, like he had a bad day at the office.<P>and the han/jabba scene in 4. not only does it weaken the charater of jabba considerably, but it also makes it lookf like fett isnt a freelancer bounty hunter. rather he looks like jabbas bitch. a mere lackey. a starscream.<P>then in JEDI, when jabba gets into trouble with bouush, FETT comes running to his masters rescue. i liked it better when fett, while jabba was getting it on with bouush, was just in the background and then when his life is on the line, defends himself.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Frisco

    by BoStrike1

    Yes. This is why I never understood why people thought Vader was lying. If you're paying attention to the story telling, you can tell that Luke's reaction when he says "Father" after Vader calls him is sincere. It also revealed Leiea as the "other" that Yoda spoke of when she "hears" Luke, which has always made me wonder what Lucas was going to do with that plot line at the time, since it seems unlikely that he thought they were siblings, unless he's into incest.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:37 a.m. CST

    That's fucking awesome

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Hey Mr. Prowse, may I have an autograph?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Anyone who knows Prowse

    by Abominable Snowcone

    and can spot him on the streets will never ask him to "do the voice" because anyone who can ID Prowse must know James Earl Jones was the voice.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:01 a.m. CST

    if i ever see prowse..

    by Six Demon Bag

    i will tell him he was great in MOONRAKER..and then run my giddy ass off.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Why

    by mychuma

    Don't all these people help Luke when he falls or ward of Vader :)! Shame on you filmcrew lol. Fucking awesome and expands the warm enjoyment of the mother of all space classics. Shame though that TESB cost Lucas his marriage. That makes the TESB experience bittersweet for me.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:23 a.m. CST

    This pic...

    by DeadAtRecess

    Is my favorite scene and favorite duel out of the three films. Love it! Wicked sincere the way it's played. I remember shitting a kitten when I was kid when Vader told Luke that he was his Dad. And yes I agree that the ROTJ special edition Jabba's palace musical number is terrible. I gave the special editions away and just kept the shitty DVD transfers of the originals when they were packaged as "bonus" material. I love watching "un-fucked with" Star Wars movies...though the Chewbacca Tarzan yell really makes me cringe...every time.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Decreased Jedi Powers.....

    by OldDickLemon

    As has been mentioned above by others, one thing that always bother me about OT vs PT was the Jedi Powers issues. Young Obi Wan, Anakin etc. were these masterful Gymkata bad asses. By the time we see them again, they (along with Luke) were basically poking at one another with sticks. The Dark Lord novel, though addresses this quite nicely. Firstly, the suit causes Anakin quite a bit of trouble, and he basically is forced to adapt an entirely new fighting style to go along with his confines. Additionally, the Force itself, by nature of being, not only, out of balance, but also virtually extinct, is substantial weakened by the time two crusty old dudes and a 16 year old kid with 10 minutes of drone training on the Falcon do battle.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:38 a.m. CST

    You can never take away the fact that...

    by Mr Gorilla

    STAR WARS and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK are genius, genius films. None of the others come close really - including RETURN OF THE JEDI which is the biggest letdown coming after EMPIRE. I'd even take SITH over JEDI - those last two minutes really moved me!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:45 a.m. CST

    GUNKATA>>>CUNTKATA>>GYMKATA

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 9:48 a.m. CST

    well to be fair...

    by Six Demon Bag

    when you think you are the only one with a lightsaber, do you really need to jump around like a coked up LiLo on a tuesday morning to block a few laser blasts?<P>vaders skills were slipping cause he was too busy force choking unfaithful bitches.<P>and ben, well ben spent way too much time in solitary..slowing going nutzo.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Jinxo

    by JamesT

    Thanks for reminding me how good Letterman used to be.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Hello, SPOILER alert, Quint?

    by Arch Nemesis

    Thanks alot...jerk....

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    VADER: "NO ... *I* AM YOUR FATHER .."

    by BringingSexyBack

    Audience: "Oh sheeeit."

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    This series is the only reason I read this site

    by directorsaab

    I LOVE this series and wanted to give you a quick shout out for the great job you are doing. Keep up the great work. It's frankly the only reason I even come to this site anymore, sorry but HitFix is far superior. Keep up the great work Quint!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Seriously...

    by SunTzu77

    Lucas should make more Star Wars flicks (but only in a producing role)... just hire the entire art and animation department working on The Old Republic to do the artwork and directing on the flick (live action). <br> <br> http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/hope-cinematic-trailer <br> <br> http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-trailer

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    yeah, the line..

    by Essemtee

    ...says "No, I am your father." Okay, so they had Prowse say "Obi-Wan is your father" on set. That's established. So, what about the line "Together we can rule the galaxy as father and son." Was he told to say "Together you and Obi-Wan can rule the galaxy as father and son." ?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST

    He's our last hope

    by Zatoichi

    I always assumed that Obi-Wan knew about Liea but was dissapointed because they had spent time training Luke, not Liea and they had put all of their eggs in one basket so to speak. Yoda's line about another was him holding some hope that they could still win.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    sweet pic

    by just pillow talk

    It can't be said enough: ESB rules.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    The Chosen - Spielberg

    by ObiBen

    It does look like him, doesn't it? Was 1941 filmed at Elstree? Maybe he was taking a break from this production?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Vaders saber work.

    by chillzatl

    One of the EU books has him fighting souped up assassin droids to keep in shape. He's constantly tweaking and modding them to make them tougher and they're still only barely a challenge. He was still a badass, despite limited mobility but his overall style was more about delivering crushing blows rather than looking for small elusive cuts. He went from being a samurai to being a big scottsman with a claymore. In both Rotj and ESB he's toying with Luke the entire time. In ESB he gets caught in the shoulder, gets pissed and lops the whelps hand off. In Jedi he dicks around with him until the boy gets pissed and he gets caught on his heels. He could have mowed Luke down at any point though.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Looks like...

    by the_beard_of_Chuck_Norris

    there's a line of people waiting their turn to beat down that little Skywalker twerp ala Airplane. <p> The big haired woman is even checking her watch... lol!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Wanna piss Lucas off? 2 words: Kyber Crystal

    by Darth Macchio

    Seriously. Say those 2 words to him if you ever see him and watch the jowls tremble in fury. It's like seeing the Statue of Liberty for the first time only creepy.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Jedi powers are not decreased in the OT

    by ObiBen

    They are Loony Tuned in the prequels. Why everybody can jump/fall 80 feet while doing dodecatuple somersaults at ludicrous speeds while throwing the whole senate at each other is because they wanted to transform these movies into stupid video games.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Also in regards to ROTJ...

    by the_beard_of_Chuck_Norris

    It's easy now to look back and see all the flaws in ROTJ. <p> I was 3 when I first saw Star Wars (A New Hope) in 1977. I was 5 for ESB and 7 for ROTJ. <p> Most children I knew hated the way ESB ended. I agreed with them. First we are left with Han being frozen and not rescued by the end. Also Vader is Luke's father? How can that be? <p> As children we LOVED ROTJ. Yes, LOVED it. Han rescued. Everyone back together. And Ewoks... <p> Ewoks WERE cool. Little fuzzy baddasses. <p> Getting older I do appreciate ESB and do believe it is the strongest of the series. I still love ROTJ as well. One thing OT has over PT is the genuine humor. It wasn't forced. <p> Han- "How we doing?" <p> Luke- "Same as always" <p> Han- "That bad, huh?" <p> This floored me as a kid. Also when the ewok steals the speeder bike. There was always more hit than miss.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Throwing the senate at each other is not cool?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Really? I can see bitching about the saber combat difference, but you'd figure the two biggest, baddest Jedis of their respective disciplines would partake in a little throw-the-senate-pod-at-the-motherfucker. Speaking of Sith, I've always been a hair disappointed that Lucas intercut the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight with the Emperor/Yoda fight. Personally, I think he should have just done the Yoda/Palps fight first in it's entirety and THEN do the Anakin/Obi-Wan fight all the way through. Some critics would have lost their minds, it's two big battles after each other, but I would have loved it.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by ObiBen

    Not as cool as hurling whole frikkin' planets, or, why not entire solar systems. Jeez what am I talking about, we have game changing CG now...Jedis at the top of their shape should be able to pitch entire alternate universes at each other, reboot in the middle of the movie and do it again and again for three hours. That would be iconic, epic epicness. :P

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    And they should cackle like Beetlejuice while doing it

    by ObiBen

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Somersaulting Yoda

    by savagedave

    Was where I abandoned what remaining hope I had for the Prequels.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Yoda Comăneci

    by ObiBen

    Heh-he-he.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I'm tired of people bitching that stuff isn't planned out

    by snitchseeker

    It's none of our business if the writer outlined or not.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by Sailor Rip

    No it can't. <p> ESB rules8.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    People are really bitching about the prequel saber fights?

    by Sailor Rip

    I know it begs the question "Why couldn't they fight like that in the OT?" but they're pretty much the best parts of the PT. Would you want Lucas to say "Guys, it's too fast, to expert, and too cool looking, slow it down a bit."? The Maul/Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon battle in TPM, the Anakin/Obi-Wan battle in ROTS, Whatever you think about the movies they're in they're awesome. <p> That said(heh)the Vader/Luke battles in ESB and RoTJ carry waaaaaaay more emotion on the part of the characters.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip - Majorettes go fast too

    by ObiBen

    just saying.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Stuff in movies and TV is RARELY planned out

    by RPLocke

    Sorry to burst your bubble there, but it's true.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    He forgot to bering the helmet!

    by AsimovLives

    Vader is far more haired then i though, considering how he looks in RETURN OF THE JEDI.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:34 p.m. CST

    bering = bring

    by AsimovLives

    way to fuck up a pun!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Alert my helmet to prepare for my arrival

    by ObiBen

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    crude - the saga falls apart just because owen was called "uncle

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "We now know that Anakin didn't have a brother as we watched his mother die, and there were no other siblings. So, that's FAIL #1."<P> Owen and Beru being called Uncle is easily explained as a term of affection. Obviously Luke was never really told the truth about anything anyway.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:26 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by RPLocke

    Does anyone care really? Uncle Owen was only an Uncle to Luke. What was Owen going to tell Luke anyway.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Yep Uncle is an affectionate term

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    case solved. lol saga falling apart .

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I see Steven S

    by bigpale

    At the top, there are two men, Steven looks like the one on the left. Maybe. Also, I always took for granted that set. That thing's HUGE.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    What I hate

    by bigpale

    Is when people miss quote one of the most famous lines in cinema history. It aint "Luke, I am your father." It's "No...I! am your father"

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:42 p.m. CST

    SCOTT PILGRIM WILL BE SHIT.

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    And *I* think that's just fine.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Uncle Owen....

    by OldDickLemon

    What's a more appropriate name for your dad's stepbrother? Really? Is this what we're worrying about?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:57 p.m. CST

    He's the friggin Emperor, of course he's gonna cackle!

    by Tall_Boy66

    really? You don't think the Emperor, Lord of the Sith and representitive of all that is evil in the galaxy ISN'T going to cackle as he hurls the freakin' senate at the good green frog whose destiny is to lose? Of course he cackles! He's evil!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 7:59 p.m. CST

    "So I threw the senate at him. Muha-ha-ha-ha!"

    by Tall_Boy66

    "Really! The whole senate!" That's just how Palp-tine-a Palpatine rolls, yo.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:03 p.m. CST

    If only Luke knew that Shmi was buried right

    by RPLocke

    next to where he stands to watch the sunset in ANH.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Um, pretty much the same as a green screen

    by Nem_Wan

    Yeah so there's no green screen, but what's the difference? That background is equally fake. They didn't really build the giant bottomless shaft. They just did it with a giant painting or projection or something the camera could see. It meant they couldn't change from the camera angles planned because the background only fits the way it was made. If the gantry set was in front of a green screen and they had today's technology the scene would look exactly as good or better. What is the obsession with which method of fake is used?

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip and BoStrike1

    by Frisco

    Telepathy was established in the previous movie as being something that a powerful jedi like Obi-Wan could do, so when Vader connects to Luke in The Empire Strikes Back it was seen by many folks as being just more of that, not as evidence that they really were father and son. Certainly Luke was convinced--and that was one of the main arguments of the "Vader's telling the truth" camp. But he was already on record as being a gullible, impressionable guy. Just because HE bought Vader's line didn't mean it wasn't a line, heh.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 8:36 p.m. CST

    RPLocke: are you kidding? Star Trek recycled everything

    by Nem_Wan

    The Enterprise-E bridge was made from the Enterprise-A bridge and the turbolift alcoves were still the ones from the first movie in 1979. The starship corridor sets of Voyager, TNG, and the original-cast movies were all the same set, remodeled over decades. The chief admiral's costume in Star Trek VI is one of Shatner's old costumes that he'd gotten too fat for. The extra crewmen's jumpsuits in Star Trek II-VI are the formerly pastel jumpsuits made for Star Trek I, re-dyed with different collars sewn on. Paramount didn't dump everything until Enterprise was cancelled because it was obvious any future Star Trek would be done from scratch. Lucas, on the other hand, saves all his props but primarily for reference. The stuff isn't filmable after 20 years in storage, so Hayden's lightsaber is not actually Mark's lightsaber. They didn't save the blockade runner set, they painstakingly recreated it. In Trek production, on the other hand, Kate Mulgrew beamed down from actually the same transporter room, remodeled, that a bearded Dr. McCoy beamed up to. Several stages at Paramount had nothing but Star Trek going on for decades.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the LOL TallBoy

    by ObiBen

    "Really! The whole senate!" I'm sure Robot Chicken will pick that up!

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Nem_Wan - As good or better

    by ObiBen

    All that technology didn't prevent the bloated duel at the end of ROTS from looking like digital mud. The ESB duel is the very best of the crop, by a landslide. It looked dangerous, it had weight and heart and the setting looked elegant and gorgeous (and still does). Spinning a lightsaber at 3500 rpm does not good drama make.

  • Aug. 10, 2010, 10:54 p.m. CST

    The best lightsaber fights are -

    by RPLocke

    Luke Vader ESB, Luke Vader, ROJ, Obi/Maul/Qui/ Menace, Obi Wan/Grevious - Sith - Obi,Anakin - ROJ.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    my point exactly. I never even thought of the uncle thing until this TB.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I've said it before...

    by KGB3317

    Vader is a pussy. The evidence is there.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Adywan's EMPIRE:REVISITED is out next year...

    by Cervantes

    And the original Vader and Fett lines will be restored, among many enhancements. Seek it out when the time comes, and be amazed! Check out the trailer here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69qmEmPz0Y

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Forget the prequels, the biggest error...

    by Master Bruce

    actually occurs back in the original STAR WARS film. If Luke was placed w/Owen & Beru to keep his existence from Vader & The Emperor, then why the hell is he running around Tatooine since birth sporting the last name SKYWALKER?!!! Shouldn't he be named Luke LARS or something...at least until Obi-Wan reveals the truth to him about his heritage? That's some great "Jedi Protection Detail" that Yoda & Obi-Wan are running there...I mean, even Obi changes his first name for Force's sake!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Screwy Youtube link codes!

    by Cervantes

    Just type in 'Adywan's Empire Revisited Trailer' instead and your bound to find it. And type in 'Adywan's Star Wars Revisited Trailer' if you've never come across it yet either. How the 'special editions' should have turned out!

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:45 a.m. CST

    And don't forget...

    by Master Bruce

    in STAR WARS, Leia is Leia ORGANA...& is told that she is their daughter, not a neice.(Sorry again Luke.) Another BIG error happens in JEDI; Leia tells Luke that she "remembers" her mother...who was "very sad" & died when Leia was "very young", implying she was @ least a couple of years old when this happened & not a newborn!!! The trouble is that Lucas shoe-horned the whole "Leia is your sister" crap in @ the last minute as mentioned by others above. He probably was also trying to get another ESB "I am your father" moment going as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't work nearly as well, & also creates the unintentional incest slant w/Luke & Leia's relationship in the first 2 films. Whoopsie George. Vader as Luke's father I might buy as being part of the original story...check out Alec Guiness's pause before telling Luke about his old man in STAR WARS. But Leia as Luke's sister from day one?...no way in Hoth.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST

    RPLocke

    by Sailor Rip

    I'm assuming you mean Obi/Anakin-Sith or else I missed an awesome scene in Jedi.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Master Bruce

    by Sailor Rip

    Maybe she's remembering her mother on Alderaan. Jimmy Smits wife. Yeah it really doesn't tie in to the emotions the scene is trying to portray but that's who she could be talking about.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    "Ha ha ha ! The milk came out my nose!"

    by Royston Lodge

    Love that.

  • Aug. 11, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Nephew vs Daughter

    by OldDickLemon

    Leia=Adopted daughter of mom's co-worker. Luke=Sent to live with his father's boring step brother. The labels on both counts make sense to me. Though, trying to hide him while still calling him Skywalker is insane.

  • Aug. 28, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Prowse said the prequels suck...

    by MyScroteHasGout

    So he pretty much speaks for all of us. BUT...he did cry when he didnt get to be in them. So hes a scumbag...and why am i posting in a talkback thats been dead for 2 weeks? im just talking to myself