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BLADE RUNNER Screenwriter David Peoples Reteaming With BLADE RUNNER Director Ridley Scott For Sci-Fi Classic THE FOREVER WAR!!

Published at: Aug. 4, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!
While we’re waiting for Damon Lindelof to rewrite Ridley Scott’s “Alien” prequel, we’ve news of another sci-fi project Scott plans to direct. It seems Scott has assigned David Webb Peoples (“Blade Runner,” “Ladyhawke,” “Unforgiven”) to pound out the script for Scott’s “The Forever War,” based on Joe Haldeman's acclaimed 1974 novel. Though we’ve known about Scott’s involvement with the project since October 2008, the news about Peoples emerged from Haldeman’s blog late Tuesday. The book, which I read and loved as a kid, is about elite soldiers in an interstellar war and how they deal with time dilation, a side effect of superfast space travel that causes them to age much more slowly than their planetbound friends and family. While only a few months seem to pass for the fighting men and women, decades are actually passing on Earth. Last I heard, Fox 2000 was the studio.
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  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Never read this.

    by Sailor Rip

    Worth it?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit

    by Ben_Richards_Bomb_Collar

    Boner.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Sounds interesting

    by rogueleader66

    Could be good, have to wait and see how it develops

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    A very interesting book...

    by wonderboy2402

    Now do a remake of starship troopers already, following the book!

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    yeah

    by spidercoz

    then make a movie of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by stalag17

    Tom Hardy or Karl Urban on that bookcover.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Love that Scott is embracing his Sci-fi past

    by Beezbo

    A lot of directors feel they have "outgrown" genre films and make movies about Meryl Streep playing the violin or some such nonsense.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Scott doing original sci-fi = WIN

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    I just wish he did Forever War first and Alien prequel second, given he could die anytime now. Nice to see he's ending his career with sci-fi and ditching the historical stuff (he's done enough of those).

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Sailor Rip

    by Himbo

    It is a fantastic book. I think it won the Hugo, but isn't one of those gigantor Hugo books, but is instead concise and clever. Well worth your attention.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:25 p.m. CST

    LV for the win

    by Scottadkinsfist

    I can get behind John Steakley's ARMOR. Anyone who loves Science Fiction needs to check that book out. It is badass, and it would take one to play the main character.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I second what LV_426 says...

    by Righteous Brother

    I read the book after hearing that Scott had optioned it, a few years back. It's a great read, actually I wish Scott was doing this instead of the Alien prequel.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:36 p.m. CST

    BLADE RUNNER Screenwriter David Webb

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Peoples Reteaming With BLADE RUNNER Director Ridley Scott For THE FOREVER WAR!! <p> And it's not for a bullshit Blade runner prequel or sequel....I'm There!

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:42 p.m. CST

    best sci-fi on space dilation? hideki anno's GUNBUSTER.

    by RedHorseVector

    i dare you not to like it.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Never read the book

    by HardSteel

    but this sounds awesome.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Lol

    by sagamanus

    Except this time it will be pro-war instead of anti-war. You know a new take on it. It is 2010 after all.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Scott needs to get Hampton Fancher involved

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    He needs to get the Peoples-Fancher writing team back together. They did amazing with Blade Runner, they can do it again with Forever War.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Awesome Awesomeness....Except One Little Thing...

    by Crow3711

    Ridley Scott hasn't made a movie worth watching since Black Hawk Down. Fucking fact. Unfortunate. I've paid to see them all. I'll pay to see this. But they have all sucked. Body of Lies, A Good Year, Kingdom of Heaven (haven't seen the much lauded directors cut tho...) Robin Hood, and my personal least favorite...American Gangster. Matchstick Men stands out as perfectly passable. Maybe getting back to sci-fi will help the old master regain his skills. I don't know, its just hard for me to get excited when I've out and out not enjoyed the last 5 or 6 of his films. Oh well, I will undoubtedly still pay for this in theaters. <p> Side Note: The guy on the cover looks a helluva lot like Jamess Franco, no? Probably came out like a few years before he was born, too. Weird.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:45 p.m. CST

    OK but they won't be doing anything to the quality of BRunner

    by theplant

    Reformations never succeed

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Book

    by AxeBox

    There's just amazing laser battles and ship to ship long-range (TENSE) battles. If Ridley approaches these as he did Alien and Black Hawk Down, this could be his best director/best film award. But what really sets the book apart is the social commentary: *SPOILERS* What studio would give money that shows the future earth as 99% homosexual? You can't really leave that part out of the book as it really drives the disconnection/isolation themes home. Not sure how Ridley and Peoples are going to handle this.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Judging by the cover art

    by IAmLegolas

    it'll star Benicio Del Toro.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I fucking loathe Matchstick Men

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    MM is the only Scott movie that I really truly hate. Visually he had nothing to work with, the story was paper thin and the ending telegraphed. Even Nic Cage sucked. I'd put

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Study war...some more!

    by kenji

    Haldeman is amazing. Has the gripping un-put-downability of the major "airport novel" authors, combined with a stingingly cynical sensibility and an inclination for catchy, violent science fiction scenarios. I am not sure why his stuff never got adapted. There was "Robojox" but that suffered from budgetary insufficiency -- you could probably make that movie now on the same budget, but then (88?) it was just awful. Great news, hope it doesn't disappear into the same black hole that has Ender's Game, Rendezvous With Rama.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I fucking loathe Matchstick Men

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    MM is the only Scott movie that I really truly hate. Visually he had nothing to work with, the story was paper thin and the ending telegraphed. Even Nic Cage sucked. I'd put A Good Year over MM and that's saying something.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:52 p.m. CST

    James Franco's Borg costume for Halloween

    by drturing

    wtf

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Forever war?

    by GornPirate

    Its about Every war the us has been involved in since Korea?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the Super Extended Final Directors Cut

    by Jared_Syn_City

    Someone's going to be a replicant.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    btw, it looks like Wentworth Miller on the book cover

    by HardSteel

    ...

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST

    There is no Fancher-Peoples team

    by thecomedian

    Hampton Fancher wrote a draft of the script for Blade Runner. It was too consumed with the environmental issues of Deckard's world. Ridley brought in David Peoples behind Fancher's back for a rewrite.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Beezbo

    by Kaitain

    "A lot of directors feel they have "outgrown" genre films and make movies about Meryl Streep playing the violin or some such nonsense." <p> Fucking hilarious.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:25 p.m. CST

    The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch

    by Gorgomel

    based on Philip K. Dick novel, written by David Peoples and directed by Ridley Scott. Now that would be something I would die for.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Commander Shepard

    by elsewhere

    On the front cover.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    what about a Ghostbusters prequel?

    by Gorgomel

    just askin'

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    In my opinion, there was nothing telegraphed about MatchStick Men. Nicolas Cage was probably in his last great role outside of Bad Lieutenant as the Phobic Con Man. Sam Rockwell was great as his scheming, snake of a partner and Alison Lohman was surprisingly good as his illegitimate daughter. (Her character really made me like that movie). <p> Don't get me wrong Nicolas Cage can and will throw in a movie or two or three that are complete crap (The Wicker Man, Bangkok Dangerous, WHATHAHELL?) but Matchstick men wasn't one of them, The whole looney, creeped out in his own skin element he brought to that character reminded me of what I liked about Nic Cage as an actor to begin with.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    FinallyQ Ridder's has come to his senses...

    by KillaKane

    ..this adaptation has been linked to Scott but always got put on the back burner. Awesome book, hope the script does it justice.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott doing sci-fi

    by davidwebb

    That's me sold. But what happened to Brave New World?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:37 p.m. CST

    What shitty book cover art

    by Bot-Bot

    Surely there's a better example out there

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    What's James Franco doing...

    by Argentino

    in that book's cover?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by kwisatzhaderach

    28 years since a sci-fi from Ridley. THIS will kick ass. Can't wait.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Crow3711

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You need to watch the Kingdom of Heaven Directors Cut NOW.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Sounds Great!

    by Charlie_Allnut

    We haven't had a really great sci fi epic in a while...

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Argentino

    by wes

    I thought it looked more like Benicio del Toro.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Don't do the Alien prequel. Do this please!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    THIS is cool news.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Great news...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    And all you Avatar bashers can thank Cameron for this since Scott was inspired to go back to sci fi (which he had previously declared dead) after witnessing the making of that movie. Cameron actually told him: "What the fuck are you doing Robin Hood for? You made the greatest two sci fi films ever; go back to what you do best."

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:16 p.m. CST

    I hope after the Alien prequels and this that Scott

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    will do Brave New World also. He can snuff it after that and I will be pleased (though I will certainly wish him to make movies up until he's 90; its simply just a case of being realistic).

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:27 p.m. CST

    LV_426... Ridley almost made an Arthurian tale

    by Ivan_Mtl

    LV_426 said... "I'd love to see what he could do with the Arthurian myths"... I remember Ridley Scott had done a lot of preliminary design work for an adaptation of the classic tale "TRISTAN AND ISOLDE." From the artwork I saw it looked like it was going to be a science-fiction/fantasy version of the tale. The only image I recall were these giant floating islands or mountains that made me think of Roger Dean's painted artwork for the progressive rock band, YES' albums. He eventually abandoned it to do another project. This was right around the time of Blade Runner and Legend. Personally, I would love to see him tackle SIR GAWAIN AND THE GREEN KNIGHT with a score by the canadian rock band, Rush. One can dream, can't they?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Scott's greatest unmade projects are

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Dune, and I Am Legend, with Arnold. Both great sci fi that he would have knocked out of the park. Didn't he also plan to re-team with Giger on a project called "The Tourist" back in the 80's?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Good.

    by carlanga

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Inception passes $200m

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Who said there was no longer a market for intelligent sci-fi?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:53 p.m. CST

    So is he doing Forever War or the Alien Prequel?

    by cgih8r

    I'm confused...and will it be just a 2 hour set up for the Forever War like Robin Hood was?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I have read The Forever War many times since I was a kid...

    by Ironhelix

    ...and it gets better with every read. I picked it up after reading a chapter that was published in an anthology (forget what it was called), and I read it cover to cover in a day. I couldn't have been much more than 12 years old, and I had never read, or even imagined the things that were in that book. It was the literary version of Star Wars for me. If you have never read it, I recommend it. If Scott can pull this adaptation off (I have my doubts), the it will make Blade Runner pale in comparison.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 6:05 p.m. CST

    This movie needs some MAJOR CG tweaks to bring it up to date.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    This movie needs some MAJOR CG tweaks to bring it up to date. <P>Seriously if you've watched it recently you'll notice that much of it really doesn't hold up anymore to today's standards. <P>They just need to go in and fix the FX shots using today's state of the art CG and then we'll actually have some sci-fi we can be proud of.<P> That's what I'd be saying if I was fucking insane.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 6:07 p.m. CST

    So it's for FUX...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...that means Ridley will be dropped, they'll get a plethora of hacks to continually rewrite it, if it actually is produced, Will Smiff will star and it'll be another I Robot/I Am Legend-style disaster. "My girlfriend's turned as old as my Granny! Awww HELL Nawwwww!"

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 6:12 p.m. CST

    It wouldn't be 98% hot lesbians...

    by HarryKnowlesNonExistentInceptionReview

    ...it'd be 98% bulldykes... and 1% male gays. That'd be our luck and you know it.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Once is a while

    by PhilipMarlowe

    This site lives up to it's name

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 6:37 p.m. CST

    hopefully it gets a decent budget

    by Spazatronik_2000

    I trust Scott with this story and whats a good number, 135 million?

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 6:53 p.m. CST

    He said you Brade Runna

    by IamZardoz

    I agree Ridley hath sucketh greatly for the past few years. Im glad hes going to do some new sci-fi, Im in.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Could be a trilogy

    by Ciderman

    Read this a few years ago and I remember it in 3 distinct parts. And as for being prowar, I found it to be pro-grunt, not really about the politics but about the man. If the love shown by Kingdom of Heaven is shown to this by Scott then we are in for a treat!

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Goddam.

    by D_T

    That's outstanding news. One of my favorite SciFi novels of all time (one of the first "adult" books I remember reading as a kid). It's one of those movies that's always "going to be made", like "Enders..", though it's unfortunate that other classics like Starship Troopers didn't get the right treatment.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 7:19 p.m. CST

    please be as good as !st starshiptroopers

    by skiff

    Please someone try to kick starwars ass. Make a film cooler funnier and spacier than starwars. is spacier a word hMMMMMMMMM

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 7:41 p.m. CST

    this is good news

    by swanstep

    Peoples+Scott taking on a genuinely interesting (and quite short and very episodic - so highly adaptable to film I've always thought, so long as you have a big budget) hard sci-fi classic. Yay. Actors will be stampeding to get on board this one... Wish it were happening before the Alien pre-quel(s) - nobody's getting any younger!

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Benicio Del Franco

    by MJDeViant

    I'm pretty sure there is an old thread about this with EVERY "looks like" comment ever

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 8:39 p.m. CST

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38711

    by MJDeViant

    yep

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 8:46 p.m. CST

    LV_426

    by Sailor Rip

    Steakley. Is he the same guy that wrote Vampire$? <p> You might not like the movie but the first ten minutes of Carpenter's Vampires is fucking classic. Great shots(the back and forth zooms of Woods and the house is awesome), James Woods, uhh nothing left to say.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 8:47 p.m. CST

    SciFi Withdrawals

    by BigFatBaby

    Hunter Prey is decent for a low budget scifi effort. imdb dot com/title/tt1270291 It's slow paced but picks up a little steam after the first 20 minutes or so.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    oh yeah, the score from Vampires...

    by Sailor Rip

    ...superb.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Make alien Sequels not prequels

    by johnnyg korrupt

    Nobody is interested in prequels just like nobody is interested in the Thing prequel. Much more interested in seeing Ellen Ripley again or even Scott doing the oft rumored James Cameron scripted Alien movie staring Sigourney AND Arnold

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Book IM sure is probably good.

    by pax256

    But the concept is old and done already. Sci-fi geeks know the issue too well already. How about a sci-fi story of a long running future war waged by machines after humans become genetically immortal and the war is going badly for one side leading soon to real deaths...

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 9:52 p.m. CST

    About that Alien prequel

    by DrManhattansUnit

    As aliens aren't discovered until Alien, the prequel is about the economics of long-distance space haulage. The hero is Harry Dean Stanton.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Pretty exciting news! But I am still waiting....

    by LabattsBleu

    for an adaptation of Alan Bester's The Demolished Man, which i thought was underway. <p> Nevertheless, to see Scott back at sci fi is exciting indeed.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Is This A Cool Book Worth Reading?

    by LaserPants

    Sometimes I feel like older sci-fi comes off as hokey and dated. Not that there isn't a place for hokum in all sci-fi, but you know what I mean. Is this the kinda novel you reckon would hold up? I wanna read it if it's a good one.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 10:36 p.m. CST

    I really liked the book

    by Badger23

    Partial commentary on Vietnam.

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Awesome!

    by Cruzboy

    The book is one of the best books I've ever read... if you haven't read it, get yourself a copy. You won't be able to put it down. It's a really cool premise!

  • Aug. 4, 2010, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Interesting to see how it plays among conservatives *spoiler*

    by Happyfat73

    ... given that the book depicts humanity as being socially engineered towards almost complete gayness.</p> It's an interesting dichotomy, actually - that blend of awesome, manly, future-military gun-porn (the kind that James Cameron does so well) with a big ol' helpin' of gay. I predict it will spark a fair bit of existential confusion amongst frat boys.

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    Where the fuck are these spammers comming from?

    by InActionMan

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  • Aug. 4, 2010, 11:55 p.m. CST

    'concept is old and done before'

    by coldharbor

    how can someone make such a comment having not read the book and hope to be taken seriously...ever again. This is a seminal sci-fi book. Don't peanut-gallery-comment if you can't make the effort to read it. By the way the author was a hero in Viet-Nam and is currently a professor of writing at MIT! Hugo and Nebula award for this book - "Book IM sure is probably good" LOL, what a maroon!!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Brokeback Aliens

    by KarlKolchak

    What was up with that gay sex stuff? That "Alien Harvest" screenplay must have been a hoax. I hope it was.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:39 a.m. CST

    To laserpants and others who haven't read The Forever War

    by hank quinlan

    I was given this book for my birthday last year by one of my most well read, smart, and geeky friends. Read it over Christmas. I agree that I am not much for space opera. Or dated mid 20th century Sci-fi. This is not that. Haldeman was a Vietnam Vet and while that informs his vision of intersellar war, it's more of the emotional feel of a soldier than the battles. It's not Starship Troopers or Aliens. The encounters with the alien foe are brief, violent and like everything else in the book, unexpected. What is most visionary is Haldeman's view of what happens to Earth while the main character is away for decades (in earth time). Society decays. And evolves in ways that can barely be imagined. And our protagonist's life never has any hope of finding any real place. Unconventional in narrative, theme, and plot while never less than entertaining or compelling. A quick, exciting read, if not the most fun but with a very satisfying conclusion. Not sure how they would make it into a movie. Not the most obvious candidate for adaptation. It ain't Soldier. I wonder if they will sort of "Phillip K. Dick" it and use the ideas to make it more of a muscular action movie. I understand that. But there's no way to capture the fullness of the book. One of the best sci-fi books I've ever read. Still relevant and interesting. Perhaps the funniest thing for me was the character in the book was the same age as I would have been at the time the novel is set. FYI The other books my friend gave me were Dune, In the Mountains of Madness, and The Killer Angels. All iconic books I'm glad I read.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Who says Inception was intelligent sci-fi?

    by Flip63Hole

    I sure as fuck don't. It was a convoluted exposition fest of an action flick. Nothing more.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:19 a.m. CST

    I LOVE the Alien series.

    by blackwood

    But it's done, Ridley. DO THIS INSTEAD.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:21 a.m. CST

    STARSHIP TROOPERS SUCKS

    by sagamanus

    The book is total garbage. Haldemen produced his as an antidote to it if I remember correctly. I could care less about ST retool. It's been done to death with halo and any others. Pick one Either halo or ST. Hollywood will make it while the other gets priveleged status of being an imitator. Who cares who was first in novel form. Its first to screen and no Verhoevens doesnt count.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Unless...

    by blackwood

    ...unless you were to make it about Clone Ripley, and make it honest, like great sci-fi, like SOLARIS or MOON, and make it interesting, because hollywood had largely forgotten how to make things interesting, like, say, rererereremakimagining of ROBIN HOOD, which as a people we were obligated to be disinterested in, because enough is fucking enough.<p>Do that, then we'll talk.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:27 a.m. CST

    hank quinlan

    by LaserPants

    Thanks for the review! It sounds really cool. Sounds like your friend has good taste too. (Dune is one of my time faves as well.) I'll definitely check Forever War out then!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Difficult....

    by MarkSingle

    When I was a teenager I really loved The Forever War and dreamed that one day it would become a movie. But now... I think the novel is outdated and doesn't have enough elements to become an original and entertaining movie. It was written as a commentary on the Vietnam War and I think that element is difficult to translate to the situation in 2010. Ridley Scott is great director, but somehow I think that guys like David Fincher, Christopher Nolan or even Sam Raimi would have been a better choice.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Now this is what i call cool news

    by AsimovLives

    And Scott has been associated with this movie since the time of Blade Runner. Let's see if this is finally it.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Flip63Hole

    by AsimovLives

    Anybody with two working brain cells knows that INCEPTION is intelligent SF.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Hercules loved FOREVER WAR as a kid

    by AsimovLives

    You know, you will love it even better as an adult, because that's a book deliberatly writen for an adult readership with themes that adults can fully compreend. There is so much more to FOREVER WAR then just an adventure in fighting aliens around the universe, you know? The book is much richer.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:30 a.m. CST

    This book is wonderful, perfect Ridley material

    by HarryBlackPotter

    He should shoot this before Alien 1 & -2. Love the love-story in the book too, very unique way of looking at long distance relationships.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Peoples wrote LEVIATHAN

    by theplant

    Can you spell SUCK ?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:40 a.m. CST

    theplant

    by AsimovLives

    Wasn't LEVIATHAN directed by George P. Cosmatos? There you have it then. Peoples also wrote SOLDIER, a script withenourmous potential, which was then compeltly fucked up by Paul WC Anderson. Don't blame Peoples for his scripts turning into bad movies. UNFORGIVEN and BLADE RUNNER are proof of that, if his scripts goes to the right hands, the movies turn to gold.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott now sucking is a gross exageration

    by AsimovLives

    While he has not made any movie recently that can match que quality of his first 3 movies, still his work is far better then the vast majority of hollywood hacks that are made today, including hacks that AICN goes complety gay about like Michelle "Piece Of Shit" Bay and Jar Jar "Piece Of Shit" Abrams. You guys that berate Ridley Scott, get a grip, there's far worst shit around making movies.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:22 a.m. CST

    So THIS is where Gunbuster stole its brillian premise from..

    by polyh3dron

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Flip63Hole

    by Derrida77

    People actually had to pay attention to what was going on in Inception and lot of them felt awarded because of this, so yeah I'd say it's intelligent sci-fi. Or maybe you belong to the Armond White school of thought who think Transformers 2 was subversive and clever. I'm with Asimov on this, fuck the bang for the buck-hacks like Bay or Anderson, give me cerebral sci-fi anytime

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 4:26 a.m. CST

    coldharbor Im not knocking the book...

    by pax256

    Im just saying its probably not the only award winning book that is still waiting to be made. If the premise was original Id be all for it. But in terms of tv and movies it isnt. Time dilation has been done innumerable times in sci-fi. Id rather see the aging Scott use his considerable talent making something more original. Its not like he has 50 more films he can make.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Flip63hole - I say Inception was intelligent sci-fi.

    by Happyfat73

    That's who!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Script deals, Schmipt deals

    by indivisibleman

    These days the announcement of a script deal is almost meaningless as it usually takes years to get a script that the director, studio and talent will actually make. Ridley is 73. He's an amazing talent but needs to choose his projects and shoot the damn things.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 5:16 a.m. CST

    The Ripley story is done

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Let her go, guys. We don't need any clone Ripley stories. Although I AM very intersted to know what James Cameron's proposed story line for his new Alien sequel was.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Mr. Webb Peoples has a good track record

    by Shpadoinkle

    I may be one of the few who loves his writing/direction of Salute Of The Jugger despite it seeming pretty dated today. Rutger Hauer was great in that. Then he wrote Blade Runner, Twelve Monkeys, Unforgiven, Ladyhawke....the man has written alot of shit i'm crazy for so i'm excited by this news

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 5:46 a.m. CST

    The forever war?????

    by sam jacksons wig

    So, how long is the movie going to last for, then?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Hating on "Body Of Lies"??

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    That film is fucking immense!!! Best modern day set espionage movie since the Cold War ended. Recognise.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 6:53 a.m. CST

    a little love

    by redrain

    i'll give a little love for a body of lies! that was a good movie! in 1976 @midamericacon meet Haldemen and had him autograph forever war for me. but can hollywood do it right?(no)

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 6:54 a.m. CST

    oh, and one more thing

    by redrain

    SCOTT PILGRIM SUCKS MY BALLS!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    And "A Good Year"?

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Also, hating on "A Good Year"? It wasn't made for us! Hating on that is as pointless as hating on an adaption of "Pride & Prejudice" for not having enough chicks in bikinis or 'splosions!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:02 a.m. CST

    would be relevant today

    by redrain

    forver war=afghanistan?(aka unwinnable)

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:08 a.m. CST

    There was a movie about Meryl Streep playing the violin?!!

    by redrain

    The launch Sequence has begun!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST

    So, Forever War kind of parallels Vietnam Vet's Return

    by ToMonicker

    I mean, returning to an America that they didn't recognize, and vice versa? <p> Regardless, sounds like a better prospect for something good than a friggin' ALIEN preschool(so sick of prequels). <p> On the other hand, the only Ridley Scott opus that I've seen lately was Robin Hood- bored the hell out of me. I left the theater wondering, " How in the hell did he make medieval warfare and Cate Blanchett boring? " If the theater seats hadn't been so goddamn uncomfortable I'd fallen asleep.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Worth it?(sailor rip)

    by redrain

    only read it once back in mid 70's not just about future warfare, soliders fight, come back,everything's changed,(and keeps on changing) and they lose sight of everything(who,why there fighting's, where they fit in to a world that they will never understand. total limbo. read it just to see how much hollywood will screw it up. yes, worth it sailor man!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Blade Runner is a terrible script

    by Spandau Belly

    It's a film with great atmosphere and great ideas and some great performances, but it doesn't make a lick of sense.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:27 a.m. CST

    oh, and one more thing

    by redrain

    SCOTT PILGRIM SUCKS MY BALLS! (it feels so good)

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:34 a.m. CST

    I wonder ....

    by fpuk99

    .... if they'll fuck this up like they did with another of my fav (similar) sci-fi novels, Startship Troopers.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:35 a.m. CST

    how about fever dream

    by redrain

    by Ray Bradbury? The kids today would eat that up!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Dude_gimme_tabs

    by redrain

    What did you think of Spy game with redford/pitt? I thought it was good.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly...

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    "Blade Runner is a terrible script". And your mom is terrible in bed. She doesn't make a lick of sense either when I pummel her ass.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Sure it does, Spandau...

    by Billyeveryteen

    What confused you? The robots?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    doesn't make a lick of sense

    by redrain

    I love movies like that!! splosions rule! and tits!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:53 a.m. CST

    oh, and one more thing

    by redrain

    SCOTT PILGRIM SUCKS MY BALLS!(ahhhhhhhhhh)

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Redrain

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Yeah, I agree. Really good. Would have benefitted from a little less Tony Scott, but all round was good. Particularly the ending when Redford's plan dawns on the assholes in the briefing room. "Operation Dinner out is a go??? No wonder he's divorced!"

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by LaserPants

    I agree that the atmosphere, visuals, and ideas in Blade Runner are what's best about it, but what about the script doesn't make a "lick of sense?" If there are any weaknesses in the script, it's the cliche noir stuff -- but it was supposed to be a future noir, so, that's thematically consistent. <br><br>I'm not "hating" on you or anything, I'm honestly just curious.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Wait, redrain

    by LaserPants

    Are you saying you *want* Scott "Michel Cera" Pilgrim to suck your balls? (The "ahhhhhhhhh" leads me to suspect yes?)

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Re: Why Blade Runner makes no sense

    by Spandau Belly

    My main problems with the script(s) are in the whole setup. If Earth sucks and everybody who's rich and important is leaving to go live on colonies, then why are these dangerous replicants working on the colonies but forbidden from coming to Earth? If replicants are forbidden on Earth, why are they manufactured here? If replicants are forbidden on Earth why does Tyrell get to have one roaming free as his secretary? If the law has a special team of bladerunners to hunt replicants because they are dangerous, why isn't there pressure on Tyrell to make the replicants easier to spot? Why make it so special agents have to ask them 50 questions to figure out whether somebody is a replicant when you could just make their skin blue or something? If Rachel is a naive lab creation who was born yesterday and Deckard is a master detective in hiding, why is she able to find his apartment so easy? Is he listed in the phone book?<br><br>There's other things that aren't really so much about not making sense, but just bad writing. Such as how we never see Deckard do anything that shows why he's the top bladerunner. His character isn't really well developed at all. Does he have a moral centre? Why is his job title even called a 'bladerunner' when it in no involves a blade?<br><br>I'm sure all you guys own that superdeluxe box set of Blade Runner and I would kindly refer you to the three hour documentary 'Dangerous Days' which prettymuch proves that this film was just Ridley Scott going against logical storytelling and just indulging every whim he's ever had. All the people involved in making the film discuss the endless re-writes during production and Ridley's stubborn shoehorning of all his odd obsessions into this film. The funniest is when they discuss his need to have a mouse wearing a bow tie. He cannot provide any narrative or thematic reason for this visual, but he fought with everybody to get a mouse with a bow tie in the film for no good reason.<br><br>Like I said, I think the film has lots of real strengths such as atmosphere, visuals, and some really interesting ideas that are still ahead of their time. I'm even willing to accept the characters (especially Hauer) acting against how that type of character should act because the performances end up oddly poetic. I like the film and enjoy watching it, but I'm not going to pretend like I don't have to sort through a storytelling trainwreck to find all those good things in it.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    For me, Blade Runner was Film noir meets Sci-fi

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    That's what made it cool, Throwback cop (BladeRunner) in futuristic setting who's assigned to kill a society of Badguys (Replicants) that he actually may or may not be member of, who just wanna live past they're due date. <p> Visually the film is stunning, without question. However, the actual story has always been a bit challenging, considering just when I thought I got the entire deal, another dvd is released... dismissing, adding to or shattering everything from the original I saw in the theater. whether the removal of Deckard's narrative or the importance of a White Horse in a dream, or the final, final, "I promise you this is the final" Director's cut. <p> As Far as the creation of the Replicants on Earth. Honestly, I never questioned it, You see, I don't live that far from where the original Atom bomb was created and that was on a University Campus. So your guess is as good as mine on why people do dumb shit.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    classic SF

    by Adam13

    Since some have mentioned classic novels they'd like to see made into films: I have a copy of Norman Spinrad's *Bug Jack Barron* that says on the cover, "Soon to be a Costa-Gavras film from Universal!" I also seem to recall (I purchased this book in the early 80's) that Jack Nicholson was to play Jack Barron, which at the time would have been inspired. I'm pretty sure this movie never came out, unless I Rip Van Winkled it for a few years. It just struck me as one of the great lost SF film opportunities. Although with a little re-jigging to reflect the contemporary digital media scene, it could still make a great flick.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    You are wrong on a number of things. Firstly, the rich and powerful have NOT left Earth. The off world colonies is where normal ordinary folk have gone, the the first colonists from Europe went to the New World to start a new life. The rich and powerful are still on Earth - hence why Replicants are banned, to protect them. Why aren't the Replicants blue? That would defeat the whole object of making them "more human than human". Why is Tyrell allowed to have a Replicant secretary? Rachel is an experiment and Deckard has orders to kill her once she escapes the Tyrell corporation.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Adam13

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    The 80's would have been a great time for that movie to have been produced with all of the highly charged sexuality of the book. I doubt you would get anywhere near that aspect nowadays though.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts...

    by windomearle39

    I really love Matchstick Men - I had no idea some people hate it. I have a funny feeling the Alien prequel(s) will not happen - or at least Scott won't be involved. Rather than a prequel I think the story of the colonists on LV426 would be pretty good.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Dude on the book cover...

    by th3480

    ...looks like James Franco. Sign 'im up Scott!!!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    ToMonicker

    by AsimovLives

    The author of the book was a Vietnam veteran.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Yeah! i never read it though.

    by DioxholsterReturns

    was it about some homosexuals or something?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    Did you actually watched the movie? Because BLADE RUNNER is not like a Jar Jar Abrams movie where every little shit is spelled out as if you were of retard level intelligence. BLADE RUNNER is like thos egreat movies made in the 70s when they assumed the audiences aree intelligent and they were paying attention when they watched the movie. The answer to your questions ARE IN THE MOVIE. you truly need to remember that who made this movie was an early 1980s Ridley Scott and not Jar Jar Abrams.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Spandau you also asked...

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Why are the Replicants manufactured on Earth? Obviously the technology and expertise to create Replicants are at the Tyrall Corporation on Earth. Once manufactured, the Replicants are shipped out to the colonies. Perfectly logical.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Crap, I'm way late for this talk-back.

    by Nice Marmot

    How many times has the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut been mentioned?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:45 a.m. CST

    And Spandau Belly listen to AsimovLives

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Watch the fucking movie properly, not half asleep. All the answers are in the fucking movie (as long as you have a brain).

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:46 a.m. CST

    what is The Forever War about anyway?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    is it like Old Man's War with loads of gay scenes?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, I think you give Abrams too much credit

    by Spandau Belly

    Star Trek was a way bigger narrative trainwreck than Blade Runner but lacked the thought-provoking ideas, inovation and atmosphere.<br><br>And since you asked, yes, I did watch Blade Runner. Your insult to me kinda wants it both ways. You tell me I am stupid because I need everything spelled out, then you tell me everything is spelled out in the film. Which is it?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 10:59 a.m. CST

    DioxholsterReturns

    by AsimovLives

    It's about most of things, but specially the alienation that soldiers feel and suffer from the very society they fight for, and not necessarily because it's society's fault but because in wartime things change very rapidely, even on the home front. The book just extremes the feeling of alieness of the soldiers due to Einstenian Relativistic Time dilations due to the distances traveled at near light speeds (even with the aid of the collapsers) the soldiers need to do to reach their exo-solar battlefields.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11 a.m. CST

    BP_drills, I have watched the movie awake

    by Spandau Belly

    I haven't seen any of this stuff you mention. Maybe you can point out where or how it is stated.<br><br>I am willing to accept your explanations as to why the world in Blade Runner is the way it is, but just because you can think up a reason in your head, doesn't make it there in the film. I don't need everything over-explained in my movies, but I do appreciate certain things addressed.<br><br>I don't believe they ever say it is only the middleclass people who are going to the colonies. They mention that Sebastian is not allowed to go there because of genetic discrimination, which to me implies that the colonies are for the elite. But even if what you say is true, that the very rich and the very poor live on Earth and the middleclass live on colonies, why wouldn't the middleclass want protection from dangerous replicants?<br><br>And I get why Tyrell would keep pushing the technology further and wanting to make his creations more human. He lives for the challenge of his craft. I get that. I just don't get why society would let him. I just think if it was a better planned movie they would have at least addressed some sort of large public opposition to his science.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    I'm telling you watched the movie the way an 80s, 90s or 2000s audience would instead of the type of audiences that still existed back when the movie was made, and for which it was made, and which were still remains of the audiences of late 60s and 70s movies, audience which wanted to be challenged, who took attention to the movie they ewatched, and didn't just contented with shit blowing up and having stuff explained to them more then once in the whole movie. That's the thing. The insult you feel is your own thing. Allow me to remind you about this much negletect fact about BLADE RUNNER, but the movie was made 1981 from a script that took 7 years to write, which means, it was mostly developed and writen in the 70s by poeople who see cinema in a 70s fashion. Despiste it's date of released, BLADE RUNNER is in truth the last of the 70s SF movies. It's related closer to such movies as THX 1138 then with more pure popcorn stuff like ALIENS.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:05 a.m. CST

    As for Abrams, i don't give him credit at all

    by AsimovLives

    I'm infamous here for being one of the few who call him a shit because he's one.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Again, you want everything spelled out for you. You are deducing that the rich and powerful have gone to the colonies - then exactly who are living in the giant pyramid structures? The penniless underclass? The towering skyscrapers against the backdrop of the extreme poverty at street level leads you to the conclusion that the wealthy live in the superstructures, the poor live in the ghettos and the middle classes have left for the colonies. You also asked why is there no opposition to Tyrell? Where is the opposition to Apple and GAP for using slave labor in the Far East? Where is the opposition to McDonalds for destroying rainforests for cattle grazing pastures? Corporations hold the power. Blade Runner FORCES YOU TO THINK and you are not thinking.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:21 a.m. CST

    What about some Tony Scott news for a change?

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Tikidonkeypunch

    by AsimovLives

    Who fucking cares about Tony Scott? He only made 3 really good movie in his entire career, and none of those are his most well known to the average audiences.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    KilliK

    by AsimovLives

    For good or ill, Alien 3 and 4 are part of the Alien universe.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:37 a.m. CST

    im interested but is it gonna be in 3D?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    because that might kill the movie

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by redrain

    Please do not tell of my Forbidden fellings i harbor for my fantasy lover, the greatest actor that has ever stepped onto a soundstage,the savior of all hollywood, and hero of millions, of pimple faced,attention span deficient,video game addicted,goth slaves to the temple of all that is ipod/phone, he IS the future and i WANT to be in that future! I don't care what anyone of you thinks of REDRAIN, i deserve this, i wiil it! my swollen loins need this! I AM SCOTT "MICHEL CERA" PILGRIM'S GAY LOVER! Ahhhhhhhh.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    oh, and one more thing

    by redrain

    SCOTT PILGRIM SUCKED MY BALLS!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    LV426

    by windomearle39

    Thanks - I just found and bought copies on EBay. I'll give them a read as soon as I get them. Thanks for the heads up.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    KilliK

    by AsimovLives

    It only aplies to FART HARD 2 and Jaws and Robocop sequels. The rest you have to suck it up and take it like a man.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:03 p.m. CST

    DioxholsterReturns

    by AsimovLives

    Actually, there was an interview with Scott who said that he was interested in making THE FOREVER WAR as a 3D movie. This came about more or less about the time AVATAR was released or shortly before.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:04 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, okay now you are out to lunch

    by Spandau Belly

    If you are trying to tell me that in the 1980s everybody became stupid and thoughtful cinema ended and popcorn cinema began, then you really need to watch some Mystery Science Theatre 3000. There was no shortage of terrible brainless sci-fi being cranked out in the 50s, 60s and 70s. I realize saying the world is getting dumber is always a safe position to take. And you'll never be lonely being negative, especially on the internet. But there's always been stupid lousy movies, it's just that only the good ones endure so the past looks brighter because you can remember the good ones and forget the bad ones.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:12 p.m. CST

    MST3K

    by MJDeViant

    Should have covered EVERY movie instead of just the ones they could afford to get the rights to. Also, I like how people argue about not getting it or whatever but "it" is usually an opinion or take. Hilarious.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:14 p.m. CST

    BP_drills

    by Spandau Belly

    I always assumed the giant golden pyramid in which Tyrell lives was his corperate facility. I thought he was supposed to be somewhat modelled after Howard Hughes living in a casino penthouse.<br><br>As for opposition to Tyrell, your making totally wrong comparisons. Yes, corporations get away with doing unethical things that harm the poor and the environment, but if they did things that represented a direct lethal threat to their middleclass clientele they would be stronger opposition. THE GAP can use slave labor to make their clothes, but if their salespeople regularly flipped out and murdered customers in their stores it would be a different thing altogether.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Apple employees are jumping off buildings in the Far East. It won't be long until someone flips and brings a shotgun to work and blows people away. Society might not find that shocking because its far away. But even if it did happen in the US, would there be a mass revolt against Apple? Would people say Apple is stressing its workers out and needs to be shut down. No. It would be put down to a "loose nut" in the system, a rare anamaly that very rarely happens. Same thing with the Replicants. The Replicants serve humanity and are hugely beneficial - but there is occasionally a loose nut in the system. Society won't revolt against that.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Inception paying off

    by BoopyBeepy

    Dumb ass chrissy nolan fans get paid off cause they see top spinning at end. They go oh oh stop teasing us Chrissy and then the film goes black and the people go noooooo. Is he in dream or not? oh no, oh no, and then fishcer stubs his toe and says what was that idea again. o yea to break up company and become my own man. not my daddys man. I got to take my pinwhel and go be a astronaut. Chrissy prissy nolan likes his men in the sharpest suits and likes his leo with a big bulging cock vein going down his forehead for whole running time. Nolan loves big stupid loud miky bay movies so much he made inception to out bay the bay. Nolana and bay must combine to make the 5 hour explosion explosion, pseudo pseudo movie. incpetions smart cause i say it is!!! dreams are smart, dreams plus reality even smarter, dreams plus reality plus sharp suits is sublime and intellectual. Remember about inception, remember it well and dont be stupid

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    This guy always has interesting takes

    by MJDeViant

    http://www.c ollativelearning.co m/FILMS%20reviews%20BY%20ROB%20AGER.html Remove the spaces in collative and com. I'm not saying he's correct but they are VERY interesting reads.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST

    BP_drills

    by Spandau Belly

    In Blade Runner the replicants represent enough of a threat that they are banned on Earth and there is a special elite police unit to hunt them down and kill them without mercy. That seems like way more of a danger than most people would accept from a major corporation. Middleclass people don't even let transitional homes for ex-cons in their neighbourhoods.<br><br>If these colonies are too good to even let Sebastian just live among them, then I would think they are too good to risk being slaughtered by crazy replicants. And if the rich people on Earth are too good to allow replicants to work here, why would they allow them to be made here where they can break free in hordes?

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:07 p.m. CST

    wasnt Nolan supposed to do "The Exec" movie?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    this old article says he is gonna do a comic-book movie: <p> http://tinyurl.com/35vj592

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Spandau

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    I don't know where you're getting this "crazy replicants" idea from. If Replicants were slaughtering people left, right and center of course they would not be made. A very small number break protocol and are considered dangerous and therefore the Blade Runner unit exists. There are probably thousands of Replicants created each year out of which only a dozen or so pose a threat. That is an acceptable risk for society.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:56 p.m. CST

    BP_drills, I think we're coming to the same conclusion

    by Spandau Belly

    And that's that this movie doesn't add up. If replicants aren't a threat, then why are there laws banning them from Earth and why is there a special police unit devoted to hunting them? If they aren't a threat, then how did Deckard get a reputation as the top bladerunner? Wouldn't he have to had successfully hunted lots of replicants to be the top cop? And if he can successfully hunt enough replicants to be the top cop and worth muscling out of retirement, doesn't that mean that replicant rebelion happens often? He couldn't be the top cop without somebody to bust.<br><br>I don't know exactly how to gauge society's level of risk-aversion. I know that when a couple cars malfunction they do a massive recall and the company's stock plummets. I can't imagine what would happen if the cars actually went Maximum Overdrive style and started just running over people with malice.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Aintitcoolnews now runs GNC ADS

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    An insult to all the fanboy fat asses (Including myself) who got by for years on a diet that consists of M&M's, Slurpees and Pizza.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Tony Scott sucks

    by MattmanReturns

    Dude has become obsessed with over-editing the shit out of his films. Can we have five seconds without the film flickering, or some stupid subtitle writing itself across the screen? Taking of Pelham was decent until Scott got it in his head that cops can't drive, and had cop cars flying all over the place. After three scenes of cop cars smashing into traffic and flying off bridges, I dare you not to roll your eyes. True Romance is a favorite of mine, but that was before Scott started masturbating all over the editing room.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:08 p.m. CST

    when is AICN gonna change the website design?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    its been the same since 2004 or even earlier! its the only actual site on the web that remained the same for 6 years!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Website Design

    by MJDeViant

    Yeah, they need to clean it up and maybe do something actually movie themed. Like ticket stubs, move screen, etc but keep it clean and unobtrusive. I'm really sick of the Independence Day background pattern and throw up orange and purple.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:20 p.m. CST

    independence day pattern?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    nah its king kong i thing. i like the simplicity but we need edit and media.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Spandau

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Deckard didn't become the top cop by retiring lots of Replicants. He became the top cop by staying alive. He's the best by default. The case was first given to Holden who ended up on a life support machine, and then it was given to Deckard. So to answer your question, rogue Replicants are rare but Blade Runners get killed/disabled by them. Deckard has managed to stay alive so he's the top cop more by default than by record. Now you keep asking why Replicants are banned on Earth. Consider slavery in the 1700s. If a black slave was found wondering around Paris or London he would be immediately captured and/or killed. Not only because he might pose a threat but simply because he is DIFFERENT to everyone else. Humanity is intolerent of those who are different. Its the same in the futuristic society depicted in the film.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I liked this novel very much it compares well with

    by Lang The Cat

    Starship Toopers. If Starship Troopers reflects the general opinion of the Korean War as written by Heinlein, then The Forever War reflects the Vietnam War by Halderman. I would like to see a new novel dealing with Afghanistan by someone like Richard F. Morgan.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Easy to Update - Just Make It Good

    by EliteStance

    The novel is set just long enough after Vietnam to allow servicemen to be aged officers. The film just has to be set long enough after Iraq to allow servicemen to be aged officers. The anti-war, etc. and aliens can play out exactly the same. Only the background historic war has to change.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Not Original

    by jinste

    Those of you who think Forever War is a great book-and it may well be,I havent read it-I would recommend you read Robert Heinleins Time for the Stars.This book features a similar idea about interstellar travel making the travellers stay the same age across decades of space travel,while everybody on Earth grows old.(Its not about a war of any kind though.)This came out about 20 years before Forever War though.Kinda makes me wonder if Haldeman read it before writing his book.Any ideas?But believe me,Time for the stars would make an awesome movie.If done properly,that is.....

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    pretty sure its Independence Day

    by MJDeViant

    Alien light shooting through Whitehouse

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    "you are trying to tell me that in the 1980s everybody became stupid and thoughtful cinema ended and popcorn cinema began"<br><br>Yes, and you know why? Becasue in the 80s was when the people making movies became extreemly cynical about the products they were chuirning out, when they no longer give a fuck if a movie was supposed to be good regardless of theme and genre and budget, and when filmmakers for the majority became cynical hacks who truly believed audiences were made of retards and made movies accordingly. That's the 80s in cinema in a nutshell. And one needs to be pretty dumb not to understand this. I might help that i had to live through that shit back in the day. Fuck the 80s! The good movies you are nostalgic about the 80s were very fewe and far between and this is why it's easy to remember them all, because they were so fucking few they stood out. Thus ended the lesson. The most retard bulslhit going on today is nostalgia for the 80s. One needs to be either retard or not to have lived trough that fucking shitty decade to feel like that.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:20 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns

    by AsimovLives

    Tony Scott only made 3 good movies, and of which two he can be really proud aboput. Those 3 are THE HUNGER, REVENGE and TRUE ROMANCE. And it's THE HUNGER and TRUE ROMANCE he can be proud of until the day he dies. The great tragedy is that in THE HUNGER there is a promise of a really great director finding his feet and trying to rule the world, it's like his own brother Ridley Scott when he made THE DUELISTS, but because THE HUNGER flopped, something snapped on Tony Scott's mind and he never regained sanity ever again. Adn while his brother Ridley bounced back from his first movie's also comemrcial failure with ALIEN, tony Scott made as his second movie and his first studio movie the complete retatrd fucking piece of shit that it TOP GAY. Small wonder Tony Scott became the Patron Saint of Hacks to such devoted disciples as Michelle "Fucking Piece Of Shit" Bay, Jar Jar "Fucking Piece Of Shit" Abrams, Renny "Fucking Piece Of Shit" Harlin, John "Fucking Piece Of Shit" Moore, Marcus "Fucking Piece Of Shit" Niespel, to mention just a few.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    jinste

    by AsimovLives

    If youhav enot comented, then what the fuck are you comenting about? Even Joe Haldeman himself, who wrote the book, comented that his book is a reply to Heinlein's STARSHIP TROOPERS. and he's right, in that THE FOREVER WAR is a Sf war story writen by soemone who actually saw combat, instead of Heilein who never once saw a single combat sday in his entire life and his book reflects that to a fault. and really, what the hell are you doing here comenting like that without reading the book? Are you like one of those christian fundamentalist fools who decided to bashj and attack Martin Scorsese for making THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST but never saw the bloody movie to begin with? What the hell, man! Read the book or shut up!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:26 p.m. CST

    BoopyBeepy

    by AsimovLives

    After that post of yours, nobody will ever take you seriosuly ever again. Good job, man!

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 and resurrection doesnt HAVE to be canon

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Alien 3 and resurrection doesn't HAVE to be canon<P> I'd be all for a cheesy Star trek-ish loophole/reset button which involves Ripley's ship actually going through some weird space phenomena (following the events right after Aliens) which duplicates her ship and everything in it...Thus the ship that crash landed in alien 3 was just a duplicate and the events that followed took place in an alternate time-line.<P> Meanwhile we can have our cake and eat it too by getting a TRUE Aliens sequel in line with what KilliK suggested a few posts up.<P> All they have to do is perfect CG enough so that Rupley, Newt & Hicks appear as they did in Aliens.....which would cost a fortune but be totally worth it. The movie can be called ALIENS REDUX. HOW MOTHERFUCKING AWESOME WOULD THAT BE???

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    Fucking shit, i read "BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole" reply to your posts, and really, you really didn't get the movie at all. how dare you accuse others of insulting you when you didn't understand a single blloody thign about the movie? you didn't even understood the only single stuff that's spelled out clearly in the film through the opening crawl! You can feign insult when you yourself wasn't able to understand even the most basic stuff in BLADE RUNNER that any 15 years old kid could. And i say this becaus ei was 15 when i saw BLADE ERUNNER and i understood what the movie was about pretty clearly. Your confusion and mistaking and misundestandings about BLADE RUNNER are so mind boggling to the point of legendary! how dare you accuse others of insulting you when you are doing the worst insults to yourself? Get a grip, man! Or just stick with Michael Bay or Jar Jar Abrams movies. I heard that Abram's latest movie is great for people who believe that thinking while watching a movie and a thoughful movie made by a caring filmmaker are things of the devil. Stick to that instead, BLADE RUNNER is out of your league.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by AsimovLives

    But ALIEN 3 and 4 are cannon. You better accept that. Doesn't mean you have to like it, though. But that's another matter.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 3:34 p.m. CST

    KilliK

    by AsimovLives

    Good point well made. Bravo, friend.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection isn't canon...

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Not in my universe. A horrible cash grab that has little merit and doesn't seem to even take place in the same universe as the previous movies. At least Alien 3 had admirable qualities and the hand of an artist.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    by AsimovLives

    Yes, in your universe. In the real universe, it is. This is beside the point if you like it or not. The alien sequels, for good or ill, do have a connection to previous movies which don't betray the franchise, and even foward them, regardless if you like or dislike it. Unlike what can be said about FART HARD 2 and the Robocop sequels.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, then in what respect can Alien 3 and 4 be

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    considered canon, and not Die Hard 2 or the atrocious Robocop and Jaws sequels? They are as legitimately canonical as the Alien series despite their awfulness, in both a legal sense and also as far as futhering their stories are concerned (although appallingly handled). Jaws 2 follows on from the first for example, and shows how Brody has been affected by the events, and Robocop 2 also shows how that character has adjusted to his fate.<p>As for 'not betraying the franchise' - yes, Alien 3, as much as I admire certain aspects of it, DID betray the franchise, not just Aliens but the original, too. And AR even more so, since the Ripley arc functioned as a complete story. This seems to be more of a matter of what you like or dislike than any rational argument.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Excellent

    by Cobbio

    This is a great move for Ridley Scott. I've been somewhat of a detractor of his recent films, but I give credit where it's due.<p> And David Peoples is an excellent screenwriter. I can't freakin' wait to see what he'll do with "The Forever War."<p> Bring it on.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Ok, so who's gonna direct HYPERION?

    by mthrndr

    My vote is Christopher Nolan.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 7:34 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, you win

    by Spandau Belly

    You're ability to make up shit to fill in all the holes in Blade Runner is just as keen as your ability to invent the fact that I love JJ Abrams and Michael Bay movies. What I don't understand is why you don't extend Abrams the same courtesy you extend to Blade Runner. You're willing to make up whatever it takes to make the plot make sense for Blade Runner and then claim "it's all there on the screen" (without offering examples), so why don't you do the same for Star Trek? Star Trek is full of plot holes and bullshit for the sake of being entertaining just like Blade Runner. Have you watched the documentary 'Dangerous Days'? Did you hear the part where Ridley Scott wanted Zora to morph into a snake for no reason? Did you see the part where he wanted a mouse with a bow tie for no reason? Did you see the part where they all admit that every person on the set was working from a radically different draft of the script and didn't know what was going on? If you can watch all that and still believe that Blade Runner was a perfectly planned movie in which everything is the intentional result of a creative team all being on the same page and working together to achieve a clear vision, then I have no idea why you don't like Transformers 2. Blade Runner is clusterfuck filmmaking at its finest.<br><br>And I'm sorry you had to live through the 80s. Must've been rough. You're probably right about sci-fi being more thoughtful and deep back in the glory days of Plan 9 From Outer Space, Death Race 2000, and Godzilla Versus Mothra.

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 9:02 p.m. CST

    spa, sorry...

    by coldharbor

    being an astronomer, haldeman's depiction of the details of local effects of extreme time dilation (arguably the only current provable 'time travel') are fun and don't require as much suspension of disbelief - if that can really be a criteria of anything. heinlein i felt didn't have the 'chops' to pull it off on the micro level like haldeman...i know it's all opinion and with every opinion exists an asshole...so color me...brown

  • Aug. 5, 2010, 9:06 p.m. CST

    ya heinlein

    by coldharbor

    Glory Road and Stranger in a Strange Land, oh the opportunities missed!

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  • Aug. 6, 2010, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Nothing will surpass BLADE RUNNER.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ever

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    by AsimovLives

    The answer for DIE HARD is easy, because even the 3rd movie of the saga denies the second movie. And if i'm going by a movie saga, i rather go by the movies made by John McTiernan the dude who directed the first and 3rd then the fucking ass Renny "Piece Of Shit" Harlin who made the exacrable FART HARD 2 which is nothing but just the first movie blown out of proportions and made stupid beyond humanly possible. As for ROBOCOP, you do kinda have a point, but thing is, are the other movies truly extentions of the first movie to the point you can't have the first movie without them, like the Star Wars saga? When people say ROBOCOP, do you think of any of the sequels?<br><br>For good or ill, the Alien saga is an expanded universe that goes beyond the seocnd movie. Just because you prefer it over the 3rd and 4th, that's beside the point. It is an expanded universe. You are not forced to like that, of course.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    "You're ability to make up shit"? You mean "Your ability to make up shit", right? Truly, when soembody makes such a basic english language mistake while being a native of that language, i can see and understand why BLADE RUNNER went completly over your head. And you know why i don't extend the same cortesy to BLADE RUNNER sas i do to JarJarTrek? Because JarJarTrek fucking sucks and is a retard movie made by a completly clueless and untalent hack, while BLADE RUNNER is an excelent intelligent movie made by a very talented and inventive filmmaker at the height of his powers. So there. You don't need to be a brainiac to figure this out.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 5:49 a.m. CST

    coldharbor

    by AsimovLives

    By far THE FOREVER WAR is a much more intelligent story then Heinlein's STARSHIP TROOPERS. ST is merely a adventure story wrapped around dubious militaristic morality. THE FOREVER WAR, while also an exciting adventure story, it iams much higher, and it does put the finger in the social wounds of the 70s america and mostly the fellings of alienation felt by the veterans of the vietnam War, and specialyl those who themselves felt veryt critical about it and betrayed by bad home policites and high command incompetence and misguidness. Also, and this we should take into consideration, Joe Haldeman, the writer of THE FOREVER WAR, has a PhD in Astronomy. The dude can do the calculations about the Einsteinian Relativistic Time Dillation phenomena.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 5:51 a.m. CST

    BLADE RUNNER is the type of SF nobody would do today

    by AsimovLives

    Not on a big budget under the umbrella of a big studio, anyway.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    And really, when i mentioend the 1970s, what part of it you didn't understand? Really, everytime you post you show off a remarkable incapacity of incompreention. Again, small wonder BLADE RUNNER went completly over your head even on the most basic level and the stuff that's presented and talked about directly. And guess what, DEATH RACE 2000, goofy movie that it is, is still a thoughful movie that has something to say and presents with with a wicked sense of humour. I guess even DEATH RACE 2000 went over your head as well. Fucking hell, man, you are hopeless. Truly, you better start liking JarJar Abrams's bullshit movies, at least you would show coherence.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 6:43 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, thank you for correcting my english

    by Spandau Belly

    Your very good at dodging the points I make and deflecting attention to things such as my grammar. I'm sure if we were having this conversation in person you would make fun of my voice and clothes too. And I appreciate your continued insults and the way you keep repeating that I "do not understand the basic idea of Blade Runner" without being able to articulate it yourself.<br><br>I also like how you guys continue to avoid the fact that everybody involved in making Blade Runner has testimony on the DVD telling you that the movie was a complete mess as a result a poorly coordinated production. I guess you guys all saw it back in the 80s, read all this purpose into everything in it, and then hearing the artists behind it admit it was a 'happy accident' makes you feel like the guy who read deep meaning into some kid's finger paintings. That must be very embarassing.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 6:48 a.m. CST

    and I understand Death Race 2000 perfectly

    by Spandau Belly

    It's a bunch of car smashes and silly clownish characters with some anti-establishment stuff on the side. If you think that movie really "has something to say", then prettymuch every movie has something to say and I don't know how you can say the 80s were the dawn of stupid when John Carpenter made a whole whack of sci-fi movies that were mostly cheesy thrills with some teenage anti-establishment stuff thrown in. So if for you, just being paranoid and cynnical means being intelligent and thoughtful, then I have no idea why you are disappointed with most Hollywood movies.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 9:10 a.m. CST

    this could be great

    by mojoman69

    But I too havent been too excited by Mr Scott as of late. Robin Hood and Kingdom of Heaven were absolute shit. American Gangster in the hands of Scorcese or Fuqua coudl have be rockin's, instead it was boring. Let hoep Ridley gets soem fire in his belly and turns out another Blade Runner or ALien.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by AsimovLives

    I can't dodge a point that doesn't exist. Keep deluding yourself, boy.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 10:34 a.m. CST

    KilliK

    by AsimovLives

    When was the last time you watched DIE HARD WITH A VENGENCE? And dude, even Jar Jar admits that his Star Trek exists in a paralel universe seperated from the canonical. you know, the "it's not your daddy's Star Trek" thingy? There you have it. So, please, stop that line of reasoning, it's daft. And really, you never figured out that DIE HARD WITH A VENGENCE makes tabula rasa of DIE HARD 2? Really? Never? This is news to you? Wow!

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    mojoman69

    by AsimovLives

    I can understand why you would think little of the theatrical version of KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, but you would be wrong about the director's cut. It looks and feels like a completly different movie. One that's excelent. It makes a good companion to his earlier 3 movies.<br><br>As for fuqua, are you for real? Fuqua, that fucking clueles shack that turned that KING ARTHUR movie into an hillarious retard piece of shit pseudo-historical piece of cinematic incompetent through and through? Fuqua can go fuck himself, sucker is as much an hack as Michael Bay and is as skilled in making an historical film as Marcus Niespel, as in, absolutly none.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Marcus Niespel's PATHFINDER

    by AsimovLives

    Proof that germans fucking hate norwegians to the death.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    KilliK

    by AsimovLives

    I udnerstand what you think, bot the way i see it, i see what Abrams' Trek did to what once hapened with the catholic church when it seperated from the orthodox church, if you know what i mean. Maybe the best way to say this is that the Shartner Kirk TV show and movies are orthodoxy, the Abrams's stuff is a new branch of the church, if that makes any sense to you.<br><br>As for DIE HARD 2, well, there's the little detail that the movei is explicit in telling that since the Nakatomi incident, McClaine dediced to return to New York where he was a cop, while his wife stayed in Los Angeles. A runnign gag throughout the movie is that Mcclaine is too proud to phone his wife back in LA to make amends, something that the character of Zeous keeps on mocking. If you care to remember, in DIE HARD 2, the McClaine in that movie openly states that he is now with the LAPD, transfered by choice form the NYPD. He says this to the guy that is pending (or ticketing) his car, to ask a favour from one ex-NYPD cop to another NYPD cop. Now, this might sound tricvial, but it's one of those few clues that the 3rd movie uses to indicate that it's a direct sequel to the first movie, and not a second sequel. The character of McClaine is even more consistent with the first movie then the 3rd, almost to the point of repetition. But while the second movie repeats the plot and the "claustrophonic" placing of the action, the 3rd movie decides to repated more of the character stuff but present a new theater of operations, an open city. That itself clues to a view from the filmmakers to expand from the first, instead of mere repetition. Truly, if you see the 3rd movie, you can tell quite obviously that the movie only refers to the first movie, and the first movie only. I mean, when the federals try to recruit McClaine to the problem, they never say soemthign like "you helped us twice dealing with two different terrorist situations", no, they never bother to even mention, directly or indirectly, that anything extraordinary happeined in McClaine's career after the Nakatomi incident. And truly, you need to give the movies props for going sometimes subtle in their clues. Yes, McTirrnan's Die Hard movies, those masthondonts of action movies, they also have subtlery in them, not everythign if hammered tot he face. That the 3rd DIE HARD compeltly makes tabula rasa of the 2rd movie is quite clear. All you need is to watch the movie to realise this simple evident fact. It's all over the movie, to the style, the implications, to the mood, to the hints, everywhere. In Die Hard 2, the second movie never happened, in fact, DIE HARD WITH A VENGENCE is the second movie. i mean, even the title itself is a clue. Why do you think the movie is called that instead of DIE HARD 3? You think that's merely incidental, merely a smart-ass title choice, that it has no intrinsic meaning? Think again, compadre.

  • Aug. 6, 2010, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Zeous = Zeus

    by AsimovLives

  • Aug. 9, 2010, 7:52 a.m. CST

    I like this idea...

    by SunTzu77

    I really wish Ridley would get the project going before the Alien prequel... very cool book.

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