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A Trailer For The ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-Ray Set!! + How That Limited Edition Egg Works!!

Merrick here...
Over the past few months, we've been tracking the impending release of the ALIEN films from a rumor status to officially announced dates and details (which can be found HERE). During Comic-Con, Fox revealed a new trailer for the Blu-Ray set...which has now gone on-line. You can see it via the embed below:

The ALIEN Blus will be available via a limited edition "Egg Package", which is already up for pre-order HERE. If you're like me and wondering how this crazy packaging actually worked, this video will give you a better sense of that...

Non-limited edition packaging (same material on the discs, but traditionally packaged) can be pre-ordered for a few dollars less HERE. Yeah, it's cheaper...but that egg sure is cool... Stay tuned for more ALIEN Blu-Ray stuff in the coming days/months...
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  • July 30, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Cool Beans

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Can't wait.

  • July 30, 2010, 11:56 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Nice little montage, but whenever a shot from ALIEN: RESURRECTION came up it reminded me of why I'll never buy this box set. The shame of owning that shitfest would be too much to bear.

  • July 30, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    That Statue

    by StarQrtrs

    is somehow worth $50 extra bucks in the studio's eyes? I'll pass.

  • July 30, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    "If you were like me and wondering how...

    by jim

    "... this packaging actually worked,"<p>Um, no, I wasn't wondering that as, upon first glance, I saw the base was the perfect shape and size to store multiple discs. Discs are stored in the base and it opens so one can get at them. What was the big mystery?

  • July 30, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Two things about that promo trailer:

    by jawsfan

    1) the Alien 3 clip where the alien presses up against Ripley -- the roar sounds enhanced. 2) the "get away from her you bitch" line -- the word "bitch" comes a fraction of a second too soon -- did they chop a fraction of a second off the end of the word "you"?

  • July 30, 2010, 12:01 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    The shame of owning ALIEN RESURRECTION would be nothing to the shame of owning that plastic egg with a midget sized Alien wrapped round it.<p> Least you can hide the disc away. That bastard would be on your mantlepiece telling every normal visitor to your home that you are a weirdo and not to be trusted.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by treatment

    so does Aliens become even stronger due to all the crap sequels and spin-offs ...or does it garner strength because of it (as still being the best sci-fi flick ever) ?

  • July 30, 2010, 12:08 p.m. CST

    So after the two prequels...

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    Will Fox release an Alien Sextology box set? That would be hard to market - sounds like alien sex flicks.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Maybe if the egg lit up

    by Michael_Ceras_Hidden_Powers

    or maybe even opened. Besides, the first two flicks were the only good ones...and I've already got I'll pass. Anyone seen the Terminator endoskeleton skull DVD player? It has a vertical disc loader in the back of the skull AND the eyes light up whenever the remote control is used. I think it was only released in Japan though.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:15 p.m. CST

    do not want alien resurrection.

    by alice133

    not paying 4 it.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Still enjoying my DVDs

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    Eat shit, Fox.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by davtrav1

    Why is the standard Blu Ray set $40 cheaper on, than it is on It looks exactly the same product. Not that I'm complaining, as I'm in the UK, but it doesn't seem fair.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Do I get discount if I only want the first two?

    by davidwebb

    Alien 3 never really did it for me, and I think I've seen Resurrection twice since it's release. I'll stick with DVD for now.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:21 p.m. CST

    The latter statement is true, treatment

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    It is the best sci-fi flick ever made.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I really like Alien 3 DC, I do

    by belasco_house

    and... bits of Resurrection. <p> Bits.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    You have my sympathy.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:28 p.m. CST

    "The Biggest Blu-Ray Event Ever Created"

    by Clavius

    Until of course Star Wars comes out on Blu.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:34 p.m. CST

    So you get 2 movies plus 2 frisbee discs?

    by ricarleite2


  • July 30, 2010, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Resurrection really aint all bad.

    by Clavius

    Don't get me wrong, it's bad, but once you get to the "alien-human hybrid baby" stuff, it all goes straight down the shitter in a hurry.<br> <br>I used to hate Alien3 but time and multiple viewings have softened my opinion of it, and I think it's a highly underrated installment of the franchise, flaws and all. Too bad Fincher won't oversee a proper "Director's Cut", there are glimmers of awesomeness in the version they patched together on the Quadrilogy set. It's tantalizing to wonder what we'd get under the full-force of Fincher's direction without outside interference.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:36 p.m. CST

    To buy or not to buy?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I'll do whatever Michael Biehn tells me to do. Or if Bill Paxton calls, I'll take his advice under consideration.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is underrated.

    by Royston Lodge

    The only thing about Alien 3 I dislike is the sex scene, which seems totally out-of-place.<p> As for Alien Resurrection, the only real problems with it are the campy acting and the alien-human hybrid. Other than that, it's not at the level of childhood-rape.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 Director's Cut

    by DrCaligari111

    Does it include Fincher's Director's cut? That's the only version I'll watch and it's pretty great. Like the theatrical version, it doesn't work AT ALL as part of the overall alien story (God I hate it when they autopsy Newt, it's pretty much a F.U. to "Aliens"). However, as a stand alone sci-fi horror movie, the director's cut is fantastic

  • July 30, 2010, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Can I buy them separately?

    by Ironhelix

    I couldn't possibly care any less about anything after ALIENS. Those movies are fucking garbage.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I beilive Alien 3 extended cut is getting a new sound mix

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    which means there won't be production audio in certain parts anymore. The alien 3 extended cut is a far supeior film and if you use that as the caper of a trilogy it's actually 3 amazing films<P>If fox had used that cut and just ended the alien franchise there, alien might rival SW, LOTR, and BTTF as one of the best trilogies ever, now we have 2 great films, one pretty good film, a shit stain and two team up films that poo all over continuity

  • July 30, 2010, 12:45 p.m. CST

    @Abominable Snowcone

    by AlienFanatic

    Biehn says, "All right, people, let's move like we have a purpose." or "Outstanding. Now all we need is a deck of cards." (Cards not included) Paxton says, "Come on! Come on! Come and get it, baby! Come on! I don't got all day! Come on! Come on! Come on you bastard! Come on, you too!" Al Matthews (Apone) says, "All right sweethearts, what are we waiting for? Breakfast in bed?"

  • July 30, 2010, 12:46 p.m. CST

    no cats & dogs: the revenge of kitty galore review?

    by ludmir88

    come on!!!

  • July 30, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by AlienFanatic

    There is no Fincher cut. The 2nd version will be the same as the one in the Quadrilogy, which was an attempt to recreate Fincher's original workprint version. Fincher turned his back on Alien 3 ages ago and refuses to do anything to promote or revisit the film, so what you see on the 2nd cut is as close as you're likely to ever get.

  • July 30, 2010, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by cymbalta4thedevil

    You may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but you're definitely a tool...

  • July 30, 2010, 12:59 p.m. CST

    New theory: SCOTTPILGRIMFAN is actually selling EXPENDABLES

    by BurnHollywood

    'Cause after his weeks and weeks of limp trolling, there's no way in hell I'd see SCOTT TURDBURGLAR PILGRIM VS. SOME GUY'S BUNGHOLE now, which means my money's going to Sly that weekend...<p> Reverse see what I did there?

  • July 30, 2010, 1 p.m. CST

    "What are you waiting for, Hudson?"

    by Abominable Snowcone

    "Want me to bring you your slippers?"<p> "Oh would you, please! I'd like that!"<p> "Look in my eye."

  • July 30, 2010, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone


  • July 30, 2010, 1:03 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "shitting all over a half-beloved franchise" haha, CHOPPAH *sometimes* you're actually funny.<p> Scottpilgrimfan... notsomuch.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I used...

    by cyberskunk

    I used to be interested in the Scott Pilgrim movie but due to painful relationship stuff and my associating the movie with statements made in talkbacks like this, I feel less interested. Not that I'd know why anyone would care how I feel. <p> But maybe people would care more about this link to a Space Invaders pinball machine I used to play. The company producing the pinball was sued because the alien on the backglass looked too much like the Alien monster. Check out the imitation Giger artwork on the playing field.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Are you lot honestly going to buy it?

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    I'm disappointed in you. I thought you'd be smarter than this.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:10 p.m. CST

    But are they in 3D?

    by Thunderball

    If not, then I ain't buyin'. I want some 3D aliens. . .not. And that egg case looks like it could be used as a night light. A pretty expensive night light.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:11 p.m. CST

    cyberskunk does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    cyberskunk, the Dojo cares a lot and yes Scottpilgrimfan's endless prattling has made it harder for any aicn reader to go into that movie without already hating it a teensy bit... The Dojo also likes pinball, thx for the link.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I won't buy it.

    by cyberskunk

    Although I don't have a single blu-ray movie yet. blu-ray games for my PS3, yes. And I have some media on DVD, such as the extended edition of Fellowship of the Ring and Return of the King. I'm not sure what my first blu-ray movie purchase will be.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Thank you. :)

    by cyberskunk

  • July 30, 2010, 1:16 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    cyber, i've been on blu rays for a good while now but would say that unless it's a movie you're *really* into then don't bother rebuying a film you own on DVD.<p> However for new release titles then Blu Ray all the way...

  • July 30, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    That looks super sweet

    by blunted666

    LOL, but what does Rihanna have to do with anything?

  • July 30, 2010, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Okay, raise your hand

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Who wanted to see Riply grab Veronica Cartwright by the hair, ram her tongue down her throat, and start making out with her, if only to shut her up?

  • July 30, 2010, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Here's some more shit you should buy. <p> That's How the Header should have read

  • July 30, 2010, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Dr Poo

    by Abominable Snowcone

    You raise some interesting points. I agree that Alien is scary; one of the scariest movies I've ever seen, and certainly the most scary when I first saw it as a 10 year old.<p> But is it scarier than Carpenter's "Halloween?" I'd say it's close.<p> "Last original movie" of the 70s, you say? Hmmm. given that it came out in what, '79, even if it were outrageously original, which it wasn't, it arrived at the end of that decade anyway.<p> As original as it seemed at the time, it borrowed heavily from "Star Beast" and from John Carpenter's "Dark Star."<p> But I'm just nitpicking for discussion's sake. I love ALIEN to fucking death.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:26 p.m. CST

    won't this immediately be obsolete?

    by MurderMostFowl

    Since Alien Zero is coming out next year? <BR> The exact same thing happened right before Indy 4 came out I believe. That's a great marketing Fuck You I guess.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:27 p.m. CST

    To Michael Ceras Hidden Powers...

    by MrD

    The egg does light up.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Well I ordered the Limited Edition Egg

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Two days ago. I'm a geek for that kinda' shit. I also have the limited edition Watchmen Owl Ship Blu-Ray and the super limited edition Star Trek Blu-Ray with the metal replica of the star ship. It's me prized possession.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Does the limited edition come with ...

    by MurderMostFowl

    Does it come with postage to send Alien 4 to a recycling center of your choice? I've heard that they can make really nice parking bumps out of them, and housing for low income familes

  • July 30, 2010, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Aliens Directors Cut vs Theatrical Cut

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    The colonist scenes on LV were unnecessary. I didn't want to know exactly how the colony became infected. It was far creepier when the marines land and you had no idea what to expect. Also Ripley having a daughter...unnecessary. Ripley becoming Newt's surrogate mother needed no extra reasons why she bonded with Newt. I love both versions, but prefer the theatrical cut. But with The Abyss, the directors cut is the ONLY cut worth seeing.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Cobra--Kai!

    by JarJar25

    Everyone that visits this site alone is weird in the eyes of most people. You and the rest of the crowd that come down on Alien 4 are just too damn cheap to buy this fantastic blu-ray set. The Alien egg is no different than any other fan shit you probably have at your house, so what the fuck?

  • July 30, 2010, 1:46 p.m. CST

    the image looked nicer

    by Bouncy X

    i'm guessing they used blu-ray footage because Aliens, in the quick cuts we see, actually looked pretty nice. maybe this didn't suffer the "predator issue". as for the Aliens DC, if i'm correct its only that version that mentions how long she was floating in space between movies so i think it was good to know. i don't think there are many 4 movie franchises that span almost 500yrs. hell i dont think there are any other that do, regardless of how many sequels.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 Assembly Cut is great except for the ending

    by Koborover

    The special effects may be weak but I thought the theatrical ending was more dramatic with the baby queen bursting out. Also, the way they recut Goldenthal's climatic music in the Assembly Cut during the finale is horrible.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:48 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "Everyone that visits this site alone..." Eh? Do you normally visit this site with company?<p> Calm youself Jar Jar. Yousa big poodo. Neighbors say yousa mooey mooey bombad with plastic egg on mantlepiece.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Aliens DC is better

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    The subplot of Ripley's daughter is absolutely ESSENTIAL, if not literally but on a character level. Not only for adding an extra dimension to her relationship with Newt, but for providing a strong impetus - guilt - for going back to the planet, beyond the whole Vietnam shell-shock thing. The film works without it, but is extra poignant with it. Sentry guns should never have been cut. The only arguable element is the colony scenes except they too are really atmospheric and provide an eerie visual counterpoint to when the marines show up and the facility is now abandoned. Yes, it removes a small element of surprise but we see a facehugger in the labs shortyly after arrival anyway.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by louisse

    You will not get a girlfriend if you have that thing on your desk. Also what good is it if you only want the first 2, sorry Fincher

  • July 30, 2010, 1:52 p.m. CST

    BP drills

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I could SWEAR in the theatrical cut there is at least some mention of Ripley's daughter, and that how--given Ripley's long hibernation--she is grown and dead

  • July 30, 2010, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Alien quadrilogy spans 257 years

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    The fact that I know that is almost as embarrassing as someone who owns a plastic egg and puts it on their mantlepiece.

  • July 30, 2010, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Dr Poo

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Funny you should mention it; George Lucas is planning to do a big-screen version of Huck Finn, only instead of Big Jim piloting the raft, it will be Jar-Jar.<p> Yessuh!

  • July 30, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I ain't gonna front. I liked Alien Resurrection

    by Amadeo Zeller

    It was fun. If you want high art, then may I suggest something for Merchant Ivory?

  • July 30, 2010, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Watch Out THE_CHOPPAH

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    You may be Bi-Curious, but SCOTTPILGRIMFAN is Bi-Furious!

  • July 30, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by BP_drills_america_a_new_asshole

    I've seen the theatrical cut of Aliens over 30 times (I know every line by heart) and there's no mention of Ripley having a daughter. In the director's cut, there is the scene with Burke, and Ripley also mentions she had a daughter to Newt (that scene was shortened in the theatrical cut and the mention omitted - I think that's what you're thinking of).

  • July 30, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by Amadeo Zeller

    At $154.00 (w/discount and 2nd day shipping) I wouldn't exactly call it "POVERTY STRICKEN". Way to project your own anemic bank account, bitch. LOL!

  • July 30, 2010, 2 p.m. CST

    Thanks AlienFanatic

    by DrCaligari111

    Thanks for the clarification. You're right, there really is no official "Fincher" cut of the movie. What I was mistakenly calling the director's cut is actually the second cut you talked about.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by Amadeo Zeller

    Don't mention it. Btw, I love Soldier too. That's another movie that got a bad rap. Kurt was a bad ass, huh? - Or are you referrin' to the 80's classic THE SOLDIER starring Ken Wahl?

  • July 30, 2010, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Would've preffered the egg to open

    by Lone Fox

    thus revealing the discs. I mean, that'd be obvious, surely. Oh, and there are only 3 Alien movies- 1, 2 and 3. The end.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:12 p.m. CST

    yes Abomb Snow cone...BP drills is right

    by MurderMostFowl

    There's the scene where Burke shows her a picture of her daughter ( who was played by Weavers real life mother ) and when Newt asks Ripley about her daughter, but neither of those were in the theatrical release. <BR><BR> Aliens has some of the best cut scenes ever in a movie. Most cur scenes, you groan and or completely understand why they cut them. in aliens I think the end result is still a better film in the theatrical release, especially with regard to pacing, but the cut scenes are so awesome, you wish there was a way to include them

  • July 30, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by Amadeo Zeller

    $600.00 on itunes, and yet you accuse anyone who buys this limited edition egg of CONSPICUOUS CONSUMPTION? - NINJA PLEASE!<P> I, like you purchase things that I want, because (like you) I can! Don't assume that you're the only one who has disposable income, dullard!<p> WHAT OTHER PEOPLE EAT, DON'T MAKE YOU SHIT, PORK BOY.<P> Translation: WHAT OTHERS' DO WITH THEIR MONEY IS THEIR BUSINESS, AND IT'S NOT YOUR PLACE TO SAY OTHERWISE.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Anyone know what the picture quality is like?

    by Mr Nicholas

  • July 30, 2010, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Alien and Aliens are definitely the better films...

    by WarrenSmooth

    but Alien 3 and Resurrection are both worth a re-watch.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yes, I've seen the extended version with the daughter stuff, but I also thought in the original there was some mention of Rip's daughter being dead, and then they left it at that. Haven't seen that version in a while, so I could be wrong and maybe it's not mentioned at all.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by Amadeo Zeller

    Uhhh, why is what I drive or how many iPads do I own germane to this thread.<p> I can I say I drive Maybach and I have over 6 iPads - What would it prove? - In fact, me or you engagin' in SAUSAGE MATCH over something that can't be proven one way or the other is a waste of time.<p> I hope you don't gauge your self worth on how many toys and trinklets you have?

  • July 30, 2010, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by Amadeo Zeller

    Ninja, I don't know you! How (praytell) can someone be jealous of some anonymous poster hiding behind a computer screen, braggin' about (allegedly) spendin'$600.00 on iTunes?<p> Now I see why you're a fan of Scott Pilgrim. You're that scrawny dweeb who had too much sand kicked in his face, and AICN's gives you the perfect forum to be that ALPHA MALE that in real life, you're the total ANTI-THESIS of.<p> DUDE, YOU'RE TRULY PATHETIC!

  • July 30, 2010, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by Lemure_v2

    ignore SCOTTPILGRIMFAN the way you do any child looking for attention. They go away when they realise nobody's listening. As for this, I respect the first film, but really only care to own the 2nd. I've got the schmancy DVD version so Fox can suck my dick if they think I'm paying for it again. And they'll only Re-release it with the prequels anyway.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I'll propably buy Alien

    by tomimt

    but as I don't even own a Blu-ray player yet I'm in no hurry. But in any case, if I ever manage to crawl in blu-ray era, I'll just buy Blade Runner first.

  • July 30, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST

    The pricing on this set is absurd

    by MattmanReturns

    Needs to be $75 at most.

  • July 30, 2010, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I might just rent the first 2 on bluray .....

    by fat_rancor_keeper see if they are worth the upgrade. I'm sure the extra added special features will be cool but that's about all I care about.<P> This is a hard sell because the majority of fans seem to either hate or at least dislike the last 2 films which is 50% of the series.<P> I'm curious about that new transfer on Aliens especially b/c I think my quadrilogy version is rough as heck.

  • July 30, 2010, 3:13 p.m. CST

    So was that ALIEN: Harvest script ever proven to be fake?

    by Ironhelix

    I read it recently, and it seems like a real script to me. Either that, or a very well done, and elaborate hoax.

  • July 30, 2010, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Looks like a cool set.

    by RPLocke

    But, I don't want 3 or 4.

  • July 30, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST

    There's 1 bit I thought was cool in Resurrection

    by Kief_Ledger

    After The Company has collected the queen embryo from Ripley and are using eggs, they show the creepy scene of men being restrained to chairs as facehugger eggs hatch right in front of them. I always thought that was a cool little scene. Of course, the rest of the movie is dog shit (sans the Ripley clone room sequence), but that goes without saying.

  • July 30, 2010, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The First Two Babe, Yeah, I'd Pay...

    by puto tenax

    ...good money for. Those last two bitches can stay home. But, hell, I'll probably buy this thing.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    regarding the legitimacy of ALIEN: Harvest script

    by cyberskunk

    A post here makes what seem to me to be good points indicating the script is fake: but you need to scroll down a bit to a post about meta data and other evidence against.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nicholas: (re: picture quality)

    by OgieOglethorpe

    The only thing I've seen thus far is what TheDigitalBits had to say: And for those of you who may have worried that any of the films will suffer the same DNR-ed fate as the recent Predator Blu-ray, I've heard from multiple sources directly involved now that such fears are unnecessary. All four films have been given brand new HD transfers and the masters reportedly look fantastic. In fact, we've been told that when James Cameron viewed and approved the new Aliens master (Aliens being the most troublesome looking film of the series in the past quality-wise), he was VERY pleased with the results. We'll have more on this set in the days and weeks ahead.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    by Kontarsky

    Just bought alien 2 dvd double set, count me out

  • July 30, 2010, 4:11 p.m. CST

    What sort of fucking moron

    by kwisatzhaderach

    would want to talk about Scott Pilgrim in an Alien thread?

  • July 30, 2010, 4:12 p.m. CST

    My Final Talkback Post...


    To be honest, I created this talkback username because I naively thought SCOTTPILGRIMFAN might see it and not like it. I thought it might take away from his sense of individuality. My posts under this username have been normal, and I have not acted like a troll at all. Talkbackers didn't get the sarcastic nature of my username, and now I'm tired of posting with such an idiotic username. The last straw was this talkback. SCOTTPILGRIMFAN moved away from his repetitious "2010 is the year of Scott Pilgrim" comments and actually revealed himself to be a far bigger tool than he previously seemed to be. I'm done using this username. I know that this is a victory for him, and I have noticed that he has steered people away from seeing Scott Pilgrim Vs. the World. Well, I haven't seen the movie, yet I think the graphic novel series is surprisingly good, and that's coming from someone that's more of a film buff than a geek...I don't automatically like things that are videogame/anime-inspired. God, I hate SCOTTPILGRIMFAN.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by Lemure_v2

    As an Edgar Wright/MEW fan, I wanted to see Scott Pilgrim before SCOTTPILGRIMFAN came along, and I still want to see it now. He's a twat but it made no difference.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by PeanutButterSlut

    Scott Pilgrim you're a fucking faggot jew dude !

  • July 30, 2010, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I love you Cobra--Kai

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    As soon as I saw the special egg packaging I thought 'the scale is off, it looks stupid' and all alien fans are going to think the same thing, of course some will buy it anyway. Couldn't afford it even if I wanted it. <br><br> I've purchased Resurrection 3 times already, and that's 3 times too many.<br><br> How may years till they come out on super hi-def anyway? I'll stick with the dvds for now.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:27 p.m. CST

    You see...

    by Lemure_v2

    ignorance is bliss...

  • July 30, 2010, 4:36 p.m. CST

    judgedreddsfreshundies does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Judge, if only all subject lines could be like yours...<p> Hahaha, cheers dude!

  • July 30, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    FANOFSCOTTPILGRIMFAN, obviously it's sad to hear that you're suiciding your user name. But... if you are going to self-detonate then do you think you could do it in the vicinity of Scottpilgrimfan and take that foo' with you.<p> "Allyah Admiral Ackbar." Thanking you in advance.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Scott Pilgrim v The World

    by PinkFloyd7

    I have absolutely no desire to see it. I don't like Michael Cera. I don't like my movie stars to be like the dweebs I hung out with in high school. Give me the Stallones/Willis/Schwarneggers any day.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:46 p.m. CST

    "$600.00 on itunes"

    by BurnHollywood

    Wow...SCOTTPILGRIMFAN's sugar daddy must pay a lot extra to do some rough, weird shit to that candyboy's asshole...

  • July 30, 2010, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    The scale of the egg is not off if it is a cocoon egg from the deleted scene from Alien. Still, that's a stretch.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    Not WAY off. It's still friggen huge.

  • July 30, 2010, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Welcome to yet another edition of....

    by JediTray

    AICN is WAY late to the party!

  • July 30, 2010, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by DoctorZoidberg

    I agree with every single word you have said, not just on this talkback, but EVER. Your whole 16 years of life has been a remarkable streak of insightful, pithy, and generally redeeming commentary. Well played sir, I take my hat off to you.

  • July 30, 2010, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Trailers not in HD

    by theplant

    what is th epoint ? Aren't these supposed to promote HD ?

  • July 30, 2010, 5:11 p.m. CST

    What kind of special features are we getting on blu ray


    As someone who owns the super duper collection on dvd already are they doing additional special features for blu ray.

  • July 30, 2010, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Alien Series - so very tired.

    by RPLocke

    Yet people still eat this shit up.

  • July 30, 2010, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by DigitalBeachWar

    Can I just get Alien? Cause I could give a shit about the rest.

  • July 30, 2010, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I like Alien 3

    by strosmer


  • July 30, 2010, 5:33 p.m. CST sure?

    by Bouncy X

    its more like almost 400. we have 57yrs between Parts 1 and 2, then i dont think the movie mentions it but the Part 3 novelization says its 30-40yrs between Parts 2 and 3. and then in Part 4 Winona Ryder says Ripley's been dead for over 300 years.

  • July 30, 2010, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Just love Alien...

    by SK229

    I feel like it was made with SUCH care and attention to design details and casting and every single element from top to bottom and it comes through in every single frame. It's actually one of the things that prevents me from being scared sometimes... I'm just in awe of what Ridley pulled off and in love with the feel of the movie. To me, it's like the sci-fi equivalent of Jaws. Scariest movies I've ever seen, however, in a 'can't get to sleep' sense, are The Exorcist, Halloween, and The Shining.

  • July 30, 2010, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Was a scene filmed for Aliens where Ripley

    by Turingtestee

    finds a cocooned-up Burke? I seem to remember a Fangoria issue from way back that described that.

  • July 30, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    They mostly come at night.

    by HyphenatedWords


  • July 30, 2010, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I'll take the first and second

    by kolchak

    Keep the rest.

  • July 30, 2010, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Limited Edition 'ridged skull' ALIEN sux.


    ...should have been Giger's original domed version. Blasphemy.

  • July 30, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST

    2 were great, 2 sucked

    by corplhicks

    take a guess? Alien 3 sucked, the credits killed off newt and Hicks and from there it was all downhill. Alien 4 was horrifying bad. Far as I"m concerned, the ending of Aliens was THE ending of the series for me. If possible, I"ll buy 1 and 2 and that's it. and they better have the deleted/extended scenes in 1 and especially 2.

  • July 30, 2010, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I remember sitting in the theater for Alien 3

    by RPLocke

    And seeing Newt and Hicks get killed off, and I was just like. Wow, this movies gonna be shit.

  • July 30, 2010, 8 p.m. CST

    DigitalBeachWar for shame

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Aliens was the shit. Parts 3 and 4 were the waste of celluloid.

  • July 30, 2010, 8:01 p.m. CST

    RPLocke I thought the same thing

    by DoctorZoidberg

    It was like buying us a new puppy then pissing on it and throwing it into traffic.

  • July 30, 2010, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by cyberskunk

    I remember reading about that. I saw photos. There was a photo of a cocooned Burke and Ripley was standing by him. I think I also saw a photo of whom I took to be Burke lying on his back with a facehugger on him. Vague memory. Someone with a tie. But maybe it wasn't Burke.<p>I remember the actor playing him being interviewed on a talk show and he said people wanted to see his character suffer. He said people come up to him on the street and say, "You know, I really hate you!" and he said he was supposed to say, "Thank you!"

  • July 30, 2010, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I found a post saying the Burke cocooned sequence is in this col

    by cyberskunk It also has a photo of cocooned Burke with Ripley.

  • July 30, 2010, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Panic Room helped Fincher exorcise his creative demons over Alie

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Panic Room helped Fincher exorcise his creative demons over Alien3: I know this sounds odd, but when the two films share some basic similarities -- strong female leads trapped in a tight, confined location, cut off from the outside world/civilization. The photography of the two feels similar, and both movies also end with armed forces barging in to save the day.

  • July 30, 2010, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Watching that montage

    by sith_rising

    made me realize just how unnecessary Alien: Resurrection was. Alien 3 was a huge disappointment, but it wrapped the series up perfectly.

  • July 30, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Ugh, Newt living would've been obnoxious!

    by strosmer

    Her character was fine in Aliens, but if she lived for another sequel, you'd be watching a rehash of Aliens. Ripley would have spent the entire movie trying to protect Newt. And with Hicks out of the picture, it put Ripley in a far more vulnerable position, forcing her to face a whole new set of conflicts on her own. Do you understand nothing of drama, or do you just want all your movies to be wrapped up with a nice pretty bow? Yay, they all made it through to the end again! Count me bored out of my mind. The fact Newt and Hicks were killed off from the start made A3 a far more interesting film than it otherwise would've been.

  • July 30, 2010, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Amazon screwing the Yanks on price

    by Avalanchefan is listing this as 97.99, yet is listing it at 37.99. Even at todays exchange rate the UK release should be at least 64.99. Its not even the egg set, just the bog standard boxset. Both are identical. Somethings wrong with that picture.

  • July 30, 2010, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by symon

    Congrats on actually succeeding in making that damn Scott Pilgrim kid the second stupidest person on this forum. "Newt living would've been obnoxious!" I think you've got a fine career in an executive suite at Fox to look forward to. Followed immediately by eternity in hell for being a heartless bastard who does not understand the difference between art (Aliens) and shit (your brain).

  • July 30, 2010, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck Fox in the ass!

    by blackmantis

    I'll wait until they sell them individually.

  • July 30, 2010, 10:05 p.m. CST

    The (bad) montage makes it clear

    by ObiBen

    Alien is the very best of the crop. And that plastic egg package is tacky as hell.

  • July 30, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Resurrection is the schizz suckers.

    by Smashing

    I pity any fool who doesn't enjoy that great science fiction film, they be blinkered.

  • July 30, 2010, 10:16 p.m. CST

    If Burke can be in every Alien movie

    by RPLocke

    Why not Hicks?

  • July 30, 2010, 10:33 p.m. CST

    The Alien 3 DC is really not a DC...

    by darthwaz1

    It's a studio produced cut. Fincher walked from that movie. However, the extended "studio cut" does work much better, and it makes the movie awesome! I'm so glad it's a somber, downbeat film, nothing like the scary first film or the action packed second. Alien 4 will always suck, however. Both AVP's trump that piece of shit.

  • July 30, 2010, 11:36 p.m. CST

    You gotta judge them as Movies

    by WASPFAN

    1 was a Classic Horror Movie, 2 was a Classic War Movie --- 3 & 4 while not classic are actually entertaining although I was so mad at 3 for so many years for fucking up the end of #2 for me -- I actually enjoyed 4 more than 3 -- and if you compare any of these to the other crap that hollywood gives us (AvP for instance) these are fairly entertaining... They are just movies - it seems that Indiana Jones Movies, Star Wars Movies, Matrix are all judged on a different scale -- when people make them out to be more than movies --- just ordered the EGG -- can't wait for all the laserdisc extras -- since I had a copy in early 90's... This is a nice package -- even though it will be the 3rd time I purchased it..

  • July 30, 2010, 11:39 p.m. CST


    by WASPFAN

    I agree - Alien 3 should have followed an EXCELLENT story in the future with the dark horse funny books -- thus you can get any actress to play newt...when I read my limited 500 copy Aliens Complete -- it makes me sad they did not approach it this way -- and that may be why 3 is the most dissapointing movie -- I know what could have been spectacular...

  • July 31, 2010, 12:38 a.m. CST

    I remember thinking...

    by WeylandYutani

    Jean-Pierre Jeunet was the perfect choice to helm ALIEN 4... but somehow he got the tone all wrong. The only things that worked in that film were the xenomorphs swimming underwater and Kim Flowers' terrific ass shot. Other than that it was a shameful waste of talent.

  • July 31, 2010, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Symon, LV_426

    by strosmer

    Symon, go fuck yourself, douchebag.<p>LV_426, thanks for at least being civil in your response. As I was writing my post, I was thinking only in terms of A3 as it had been written, and couldn't imagine Newt and Hicks in THAT movie. Re-reading what I wrote, it sounds like I was saying that they wouldn't have worked for any sequel. That was not what I intended. I won't argue that those characters couldn't be used well in an entirely different screenplay.

  • July 31, 2010, 2:16 a.m. CST

    who the fuck would want to own...

    by Righteous Brother

    Alien Resurrection on Blu Ray? I'll pass I think.

  • July 31, 2010, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Just placed my order for the Egg.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Fuck. Yes.

  • July 31, 2010, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection was 1000 times better than Alien 3...

    by HB_Dad

    ...don't get me wrong, both are shit but Alien 3 was just horrible all around. Alien Resurrection would've been fine if all of the cloning shit was left out. The alien/human hybrid thing was retarded and made no sense conceptually. The scientists guy was rambling about how the aliens were a perfect species, so how does combining a perfect species with a substantially flawed species such as humans make something even better? IT DOESN'T!!! Its like taking a perfect pizza, piling on dogshit, and then saying you made a better food item! It makes no sense!!! Also, Wynona Rider playing ANOTHER android was a bit predictable and played out. The crazy android thing was resolved in ALiens and didn't need revisiting. The underwater alien scenes were fucking stunning and fresh for the series!

  • July 31, 2010, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Aliens is not the greatest sci-fi movie ever

    by Kaitain

    ...but "Alien" is. Aliens 8/10 Alien 10/10

  • July 31, 2010, 4:54 a.m. CST

    I'm so sick of spending money...

    by HopkinsBalls

  • July 31, 2010, 5:56 a.m. CST

    cameron said that he saw the full directors cut of alien..

    by emeraldboy

    and didnt like the nest sequence. fox cut that and other scenes from the original film.

  • July 31, 2010, 6:10 a.m. CST

    The best lines in Alien 3 Special Edition:

    by theyreflockingthisway

    Dillon: Why do we have to kill it? You just said the company's coming for it. <br><br> Ripley: That's right. They want to take it back. Some sort of weapon. <br><br> Dillon: Yeah? What's wrong with that? <br><br> Ripley: They can't control it. They don't understand. It'll kill them all. <br><br> Dillon: Like I said, what's wrong with that? <br><br> I often think in these film why Ripley cares so much if people in the company are killed because of their own greed. That's one reason I also kind of like Alien Resurrection - we see what these people are like when they get their hands on the Alien and their eventual demise.

  • July 31, 2010, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Fucking TACKY

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Do people actually buy this kind of packaging? First of all, how do you arrange all these disparate packages on your shelves? And who would want to have the Cylon Head package next to the Alien Egg package next to the Glowing Hulk Cock package... So fucking stupid.

  • July 31, 2010, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Earth, what a shithole

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • July 31, 2010, 8:39 a.m. CST

    aliens is definately a better movie than alien.

    by spider_neil

    put it this way if I could only have one of the two for my collection it would be aliens. aliens is my top 3 sci-fi movie of all time. a masterpiece.

  • July 31, 2010, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Just to clarify, Abominable Snowcone...

    by Spike3185

    a point from wayyyyyyyyy far up in the thread, but the reason it seems like Alien borrows from Star Beast/Dark Star is that Dan O'Bannon wrote both, and starred in Dark Star. He hated that they used a beach ball for the monster in Dark Star, so Alien was his attempt at getting it right. I have the quadrilogy box set on dvd already, so this is pretty no-go for me, although to whoever asked what new features are on there, the one I'm interested in is the unedited Alien 3 making-of documentary. There's a bunch of footage edited out of the one on my box set of Fincher saying what he really thought at the time. I'm hoping I can get ahold of that documentary by itself but I'm not holding out Too much hope. Besides, out of all of that documentary I liked the Tom Woodruff/Alec Gillis stuff the most anyway, and I don't think those got edited down.

  • July 31, 2010, 9:36 a.m. CST

    If ONLY I could trade in my dvd set.

    by JDanielP

    If it was $40 for the set ($10 per movie), I might buy THE SET on day ONE. <P>I'll be watching those blu-ray reviews for ALIENS and ALIEN, and maybe purchase those when sold separately.

  • July 31, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Can I have a set of only the first two films and the Guardian &

    by Snake Foreskin

    For half price? Thanks.

  • July 31, 2010, 10:06 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    That's what illegal downloading is for....

  • July 31, 2010, 10:09 a.m. CST

    I'm going to buy 2 dozen eggs.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ... colour them in and glue them together to make one GIANT egg type thing and ten stick my discs in between them. VOILA!!!!! Superb packaging without the cost!!!<br><br> This money saving tip was brought to you by the kind people at the Pederest Trust..... "give a paedophile a DECENT burial....."

  • July 31, 2010, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Cool Beans- can't wait????

    by sam jacksons wig

    Sorry mate, you're going to have to.

  • July 31, 2010, 10:40 a.m. CST

    spiderneil....right there with you dude. Aliens

    by southafricanguy

    is just up my alley more, and is also one of my top 3 sci-fi films. Stone cold classic, and for my money the single greatest sci-fi/action sequal ever...

  • July 31, 2010, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The absolute template/example of how you

    by southafricanguy

    make a sequal imho...

  • July 31, 2010, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I don't get the hate

    by Koyaanisqatsi

    on the human/alien hybrid in Resurrection. The flaws in that movie have nothing to do with the concept. The concept and cast are all top notch, it's the execution that's lacking. Jeunet just didn't know how to direct an American franchise picture. Also some of the dialogue is pretty bad. Resurrection could have been something special instead of just mediocre. (I say mediocre because in no way is it actually a bad film.)

  • July 31, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST

    The egg doesn't open up to reveal the discs inside?

    by CreasyBear


  • July 31, 2010, 11:18 a.m. CST

    "Coming to Blu-ray, ALIENS! And, uh, we also threw

    by CreasyBear

    in the first one which was kinda tedious except for the chest-burster scene, and you also get the others you can't really recall at all except that Ripley was bald and then there's the Winona Ryder one. But back to the main point: the sci-fi classic ALIENS is on Blu-Ray!"

  • July 31, 2010, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Nothing about the new Sucker Punch Trailer?

    by boogalooshrimp

    Come on AICN!

  • July 31, 2010, 2:17 p.m. CST

    In the first set the Alien head opened up

    by RPLocke

    and the discs were in there.

  • July 31, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by moviemenace

    Think about it. He is making comments that's riling up the AICN masses. He makes jerky comments that go against common logic. He is putting down solid effects work and bragging about how much money he can throw around all in an effort to get attention. He is even pimping a movie he hasn't even seen. All the while, over and over, SCOTTPILGRIM-SCOTTPILGRIM-SCOTTPILGRIM is flashing before our eyes. So SCOTTPILGRIMFAN isn't just any old tool, he's a marketing tool.

  • July 31, 2010, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Hey boogalooshrimp

    by Fuzzyjefe

    Suckerpunch trailer story posted in the 26th....followed by a talkback of LEGEND. Welcome to the party pal.

  • July 31, 2010, 2:34 p.m. CST

    shoulda been scrapped at the drawing board

    by misnomer

    why a mini-alien? why an egg if nothing goes in it? why a font no ones seen before? A removable facehugger creeping out of the egg, with the discs inside it wouldve been infinitely better....

  • July 31, 2010, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one...

    by Viewer 3

    ...who still thinks that the scene where they suddenly shine the light on the alien to see it reach out its arms as if it's trying to give them a hug has always been a terrible, cringe-worthy scene?<p><p>I honestly forget which movie it's from (I'm not an Aliens aficionado), but you can see it at the 15 second mark in the video, and it's a pretty popular shot for trailers and previews every time it comes on TV. I've always wondered why that shot wasn't either cut from the movie, or at LEAST why the hell they proudly display it in pretty much every promo. That always struck me as one of the worst shots of the franchise, for so many reasons.<p><p>Why would an alien do that? I mean seriously. Why would it just quickly lift up its head, outstretch its arms, and just sit there. Doing nothing. Nothing but staring at them trying to frighten them with its hands. Not lunging at them. Not clawing. Not biting. Not pouncing, like a predator would (I mean predator in the general sense, not a Predator). It just screams "man in suit given generic directions on doing scary thing". You can just tell they were like "Oh we'll cut away really quick in the editing, so it'll look like it just reached out and grabbed them. Then we'll play the loud screaching noise. Oh yeah, it's totally gonna be scary. Gonna look great."<p><p>Even taken out of context and injected into a trailer doesn't work. It still comes across as looking horribly fake (and that's in comparison to the rest of the first two films, which still managed to look very decent compared to that one shot). I cringed the first time I saw that scene when I was young, and I still cringe today. A franchise that great-- one that is remembered for its great visual effects-- deserves a much better "money shot" than that. Why it continues to be used is beyond me.

  • July 31, 2010, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Viewer 3 - Yep, I've thought the same thing.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    I believe it's from Alien when Tom Skerritt is crawling around the ventilation ducts or whatever. Presumedly things went nuts right after that awkward shot. <p> Oh well, guess you just gotta work with what you got.

  • July 31, 2010, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Wow....I'd have never figured THAT out...

    by conspiracy

    To think...I've spend all these years tearing open the top of boxes...when all you have to do it pull down the flap on the side.</p><p>Man do I feel dumb.

  • July 31, 2010, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Viewer 3

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    If you are talking about the scene in the original Alien when it takes Dallas, then I completely agree. It's always bothered me that scene because it's the one time that it feels like a man in a suit. Considering how perfect virtually every shot in that film is, it's always puzzled me why he filmed it that way. <p> Still maybe it's for the best it hasn't been altered in other editions to spare us a 'Who hugged first...' scenario like there is with Greedo.

  • July 31, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The Alien just needed a hug!!

    by RPLocke

    He was lonely in space. Damn humans had to go shoot it up.

  • July 31, 2010, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Now we know...

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    What the prequels will be about: hugging. The Xenomorph were originally designed by the Space Jockey to give the warmest hugs in the universe. Sadly, they proved to be too effective and killed him. <p> "They mostly hug at night... mostly."

  • July 31, 2010, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Hell, first thing out of the egg...

    by Fuzzyjefe

    all they're looking for is a little huggin'.

  • July 31, 2010, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Can get the bluray set cheaper on Amazon UK

    by DarkhawkPrime

    Seriously, it $55 shipped to the good ole USA. The only question is: Are the discs region free and will the special features play on US blu-players

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 1:40 a.m. CST

    OK Here's the thing about hiding the aliens

    by Spike3185

    Somebody pointed this out in a Predators review and I think it applies here too. Once you get too far into a movie series, "Hiding the monster" becomes less scary because the audience is automatically Really far ahead of the characters whenever you do it. I'd argue that in Aliens, by backlighting the Xenomorphs to pop the highlights and only putting minimal detail in the costumes, Cameron wasn't so much hiding the aliens as much as he was just showing them in a different way. They were more abstract shapes than actual creatures. It's one of those times where creativity meets budgetary constraint and they create something Fucking Cool. I think we'd have taken the "Alien Swimming" scene (for example) much differently if it was in a better movie and if computer effects had progressed enough by that time that it didn't look like shit even at the time.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 2:05 a.m. CST

    In Aliens, I was much more bothered by...

    by veebeeyes

    the way Dietrich went out. The marines are all walking through the nest. Dietrich stops, looks around, turns her flashlight directly at an Alien, and doesn't see it. Because it's in the freaking wall, and the design and color scheme of the nest makes it practically invisible. I actually thought that was a BRILLIANT move. Love or hate the idea of turning the Aliens intop Giant Bugs, that little bit was amazing. Anyway, the point is this...the Alien comes out of the wall, jumps on Dietrich. We then see a shot of Dietrich and the Alien being pulled up towards the ceiling. Take note of that. The alien and Dietrich were pulled up toward the ceiling. NOT the Alien grabbed Dietrich and dragged her to the ceiling. The Alien has four limbs. Two arms and a leg. It had just been established that it is using its arms to hold Dietrich. the hell is it propelling her towards the ceiling? Specifically as it's back is turned to the fucking wall. It can't somehow amazingly being walking up the wall with only the strength of its legs, because its back is facing the fucking wall. It just looks like Dietrich and the Alien have a fucking wire attached to them. anyway, the Alien hug scene in Alien bugged me, but not at first. I had to see it a few times before that scene got laughable. There are other scenes in the movie that are somewhat laughable, but still believable within the context. But the Alien Hug scene is probably the one scene that that I think is laughable and ISN'T believable within the context. I found it funny when Parker was about to kill the chestburster with a freaking plastic spork, but that at least was a believable event. I found it sort ofd funny and strangely adorable when Ripley was on the escape pod and disturbed the Alien, and then it just sort of moved around a bit before going back to sleep. I laugh my ass off at that every time I see it. Because it's this deadly perfect killing machine that fucking BLEEDS ACID, and we literally get to see it in a state in which all it wants to do is take a fucking nap. I'm sorry, but that is funny. That is absolutely hilarious. But at least that's believable. Yes, it's sleepy, and it wants to take a nap. Yes, the alien is actually sort of cute and adorable when it is grumpy after being awaken from its nap. And yes, it will surely tail-rape Ripley to death after it's done sleeping. Works in context, but it's still pretty fucking funny. The Alien Hug, though, I think doesn't work. As others have said, that is the most extreme example of the Alien looking like just an actor in a suit. Like the scene in which Dietrich and the Alien get pulled towards the ceiling on a wire, the Alien Hug scvene is the single most annoying scene in the movie. Having said that, I only really an a huge fan of the first half of Alien. The first half had an amazing sense of discovery and exploration. With every new discovery being utterly ghastly and straight out of a nightmare. The first half was like a sense of discovering the unknown, and what we find is utterly terrible. The chestburster scene took that notion as as far as it could go. And then Brett being killed was icing on the cake. But that's it. I'm done. After Brett dies, I find it hard to really give a shit. The movie goes from being a discovery of terrible shit straight out of your darkest nightmares, and becomes just a standard monster killing everyone. The first half was FAR more interesting than the second half. After the Alien kills Brett, that's all I need to see these days. No need to rewatch the rest, I've already seen the best part. Today, everything after that point just comes off as random Actor-In-A Monster-Suit killing off random actors.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Wow that was long

    by RPLocke

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 2:59 a.m. CST

    That's what SHE said.

    by veebeeyes

    Seriously though, I'm not usually this stupid. Sorry, i just have a lot of stuff going on, and felt like I needed to vent.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by sam jacksons wig

    Read 2 lines and toned out, man. Use spacing....<br>

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 9:14 a.m. CST

    the first part of aliens is what caused that spat between irish

    by emeraldboy

    and mark kermode. Fanning thinks that alien is monster movie in space and that is all it is. kermode believes that its something different. that there is a freudian thing going on.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 9:16 a.m. CST

    actually the headline should read...

    by emeraldboy

    is the first part of alien is what cause the spat. tween dave fanning and mark keromde.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 10:21 a.m. CST

    SCOTTPILGRIMFAN is a Gaylord...

    by Pawprint

    I spent $700 on iTunes this morning and didn't even think ONCE about it.<p> Fucking amateurs.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Pawprint - Gimme some money then!

    by The_Genteel_Gentile


  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:43 a.m. CST

    veebeeyes - Maybe The Alien pulled intself up with its tail?

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    If not the tail, what about using that tar cement stuff they must poop out in order to make those elaborate nest. I mean seriously, that has never been explained, how exactly do they construct that stuff. Maybe it sqeezed a fresh one out and used it as a bungee before it dried. LOL.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:47 a.m. CST

    strosmer, my displeasure at Newt & Hicks being

    by jim

    killed off at the beginning of Alien 3 is not due to me wanting them to be in the movie. It bothered me because I felt it takes something away from the previous film. Everything Ripley goes through to save Newt is all for nought; Hicks fighting to stay alive was, apparently, an exercise in futility. <p>Certainly, a character dying in a sequel does not necessarily take anything away from the original; in fact, done right, it may even enhance the original film when viewed again with this knowledge. However, I don't think Alien 3 did it "right". Their deaths was not part of the characters' ongoing development; it wasn't due to choices made, good or bad, that led them to their inevitable demise. It was nothing more than a quick and easy way to remove them from the story as they were not needed for the third part.<p>Imagine if Lucas had decided in Empire Strikes Back all he wanted was the droids, Luke, and Han. He then has to come up with a way to make it so Leia and Chewbacca are no longer around. Simple - in the opening scroll we learn that, during the medal ceremony, Darth Vader, instead of flying off as we had thought, returns and bombs the hall, killing Chewbacca and Leia. A quick and easy solution to taking certain characters out of the story, but not the best solution. Newt & Hicks could have been removed from the story without crapping on the story that came before it.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I want to see that in the prequel.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    The technology at this point is only limited by the imagination. So I want to see how the Xenomorphs build, mold or sculpted those nesting grounds/Hive things. What exactly is the matrial being used and does it come from the aliens pooper? I want Ridley to make sense of that finally.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 2:15 p.m. CST

    DO NOT ship these blu ray disks if your BD machine isn't region

    by spider_neil

    DO NOT ship these blu ray disks if your BD machine isn't region free FOX absolutely 100% WILL region code this alien collection, like they region code EVERY SINGLE DISC they release. the reason went blu ray in the FIRST PLACE (rather than HDD) was because HDD didn't have region coding. always take it as a given that FOX and DISNEY region code their discs. if you live in the states don't ship the discs from the UK unless you have a region free BD player

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 3:19 p.m. CST

    spider_neil, actually, you can hack into your

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Blu-Ray player with the right code to turn off its' region code. Just go to It's a great site that gives out hack codes to most brand name players.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Ooops! Ignore my last post.

    by Amadeo Zeller

    has been taken down. BASTARDS!

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Agility does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Veebeeyes, the point of your post was that it was ridiculous that an alien grabbed a marine and then bungee'd up vertically outta shot? Right?<p> This is the same Alien, we see coming down from the ceiling on Harry Dean Stanton in Alien?<p> This is the same Alien we see somehow squeezing itself into pipe-filled walls like an octopus?<p> This is the same Alien we see blasted out of an airlock and then coming back on the rope stuck in its guts?<p> This is the same Alien we see comfortably scuttling along the ceiling or horizontally along walls?<p> Do I need to go on?<p> As Ash says these are motherfucking perfect organisms! They can do agile shit!

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Alien grabbing Dietrich

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    If you actually watch the scene closely, or pause it, you cabn clearly SEE that the alien is ascending by climbing one-handed on to poles and scaffolding. Meanwhile, in Alien, when the creature grabs Brett, it clearly isn't using anything to ascend or descend; it just sort of floats up there. Alien, great film though it is, is riddled with all sorts of logical inconsistencies like this, and Scott clearly was more concerned with a more impressionistic feel. Cameron - as he always does - was meticulous and made sure to address these errors in logic and the creatures' erratic behavior.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 6:49 p.m. CST

    KilliK - Ginger? What's that a pet name for H.R. Giger?

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    I mean, I'm not trying to be cute but you wrote it twice.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Anyway Patrick Tatopoulos is actually a better character designe

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Giger's design's aren't really practicle and always have to be adapted into something more science based. <p> So with that in mind, I'd like Tatopoulos to take a crack at adapting them. Maybe they could even work together on it. <p> Neville Page is really good too. He's the guy that designed the Cloverfield monster as well as a lot for JJ Abrams' Star Trek, Avatar and Tron Legacy.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 9:31 p.m. CST

    "is Ginger going to be the concept artist again?" ............

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    "...since his movie wouldnt have been perfect without Ginger's desings."<P> Fucking <P>hilarious.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by veebeeyes

    yes, and Gilligan will be in charge of the sound design.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Geentell gentile....Dont forget about Wayne

    by southafricanguy

    Barlowe dude. He also did a lot of the creature designs for Avatar, and is a highly respected and regarded concept artist in general (also worked on the Hobbit, and has drawn for Heavy Metal mag). He would also be a damn interesting choice for doing a take on the xenomorphs imho...

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Man, Im so sick of people that defend alien 3

    by southafricanguy

    by claiming that it was ballsy to kill off Hicks and Newt like sorry, no it wasnt. As the above poster pointed out, theres a way to do it properly (as in them dying during the film in a way that is worthy of the characters, and enhances what the previous film (Aliens) set up, and then theres a way to do it wrong, as in crapping all over the previous film by making their characters pointless. Not to mention the giant "fuck you" it signals to fans of Aliens.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:34 p.m. CST

    and maybe if they had made a great film, then

    by southafricanguy

    it could have been forgiven/understandable, but since they made a stillborn, pointless retread of the first film with far less interesting characters, then its really just taking the piss...

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:42 p.m. CST

    As others have said, its akin to Lucas having

    by southafricanguy

    killed off Han Solo, and Chewbacca right at the begining of ROTJ, off screen for no good reason. Or how about Nolan starts the next Batman off and Alfred and Gordon are just killed somehow off screen? Or maybe the next Star Trek should start with Bones, Scotty, or Uhura killed off screen for no good reason? Its not only not ballsy, its bad film makin, plain and simple. You have three great characters that the audience is already emotionally invested in, three characters you can then use to create tension with the audience, that you can use to have an effect on the audience. And what do the brain dead monkeys behind Alien 3 do? Completely and utterly waste said characters, all while pissing of the fanbase at the same time by pointlessly killing them off screen with almost no emotional impact other than anger on the part of the audience suckered into watching it. Still the biggest cinematic letdown/dissapontment I have ever experienced, and probably ever will.

  • Aug. 1, 2010, 11:44 p.m. CST

    At least Micheal Biehn got to sue Fox for a lot

    by southafricanguy

    of money for useing his likeness in Alien 3 without his permission. At least theres some justice...

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Who cares about Alien 3?

    by veebeeyes

    "Newt and Hicks died, wah!" As stated before, the movie wasn't really that good anyway, so get the fuck over the Newt and Hicks thing. If you can say that the movie was great EXCEPT for Newt and hicks being cheaply killed off, then go right ahead and complain about that. Otherwise, it's just a shitty event in a shitty sequel. Boo fucking hoo. It's a shitty movie that was made more than 15 years ago. Some people like it, some people hate it, whatever. Who really gives a flying fuck?

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by frank cotton

    how could they not have done that? i would have shelled out for that INSTANTLY. morons...

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Veebeeys.....certainly not I. I can promise

    by southafricanguy

    you I almost never think about it, and I certainly dont dwell on it. As you say, its long time over....I just offered my own persol opinion on the matter given as how people are taliking the Alien fils here. No bigge otherwise...

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Big Jim

    by Kaitain

    Completely agree with your post about Hicks and Newt.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Hey KilliK

    by Spike3185

    I'll admit that Dan O'Bannon's (in addition to Ron Cobb's) original Alien designs were shit, but I'll defend Dan O'Bannon any way possible (as evidenced a little farther up the thread) so I'll just say this: Look at Giger's original facehugger design and then thank your lucky stars Dan O'Bannon got his hands on it to design the final version. It's a give-and-take and it doesn't matter who has the best idea, as long as it makes it into the movie.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 1:32 a.m. CST


    by veebeeyes

    that's fine. It's just that I'm still just sort of mindboggled as to how much people actually still argue over that movie. On one side, you've got people who act as if the movie punched their mother in the face, and on the other hand you've got the people who treat it as their retarded son and how dare anyone criticize it. But overall, it was just...a movie. A movie in a francxhise that hasn't been relevant for lord knows how long. I'm just thinking, as much as people still argue over Alien 3, you'd think that more people would have gotten over that shit by now.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 2:06 a.m. CST


    by RPLocke

    After reading the excellent Aliens comics that were around at the time that had Newt and Hicks in them, it was kind of a waste to see Alien 3, and then find out it sucked shit.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 2:32 a.m. CST

    I read those comics...

    by veebeeyes

    albeit it was years later. And I never got around to reading Earth War. But I just thought that the comics were okay at best. Honestly, they were sort of shitty as well (can't speak for "Earth War" or anything afterwards, since I never got that far...but the first two minisaeries were far from great).

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Newt does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Newt and Hicks in ALIEN 3 would have been... awful.<p> The story needed Ripley to be alone, isolated, utterly out of her comfort zone on a prison planet surrounded by rapists, murderers and scum - plus one other 'creature' far, far worse.<p> Ripley nearly gets raped on day one... so what would happen to Newt in that environment?<p> Plus SAG, your STAR WARS comparison to Han and Chewie is bogus. Newt and Hicks weren't charaters from the start of the Alien trilogy. If you're gonna compare then comparing them to Lando and Lobot, that bald fucker on Bespin, would be more accurate.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 6:17 a.m. CST

    I didn't like Hicks and Newt being killed off...

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    but the worst thing about Alien 3, without question, is HOW DID THE EGGS GET ON TO THE SHIP???!!! <p> It's just a total cheat so they can make the film - terrible, cheap writing. The only way they could have possibly gotten there is via the Queen, but her egg sac was destroyed by Ripley, and she didn't move out of the landing gear of the ship. It just doesn't make sense, and that annoys me more than Hicks and Newts dying.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 6:25 a.m. CST

    veebee....I agree dude, I also dont get how

    by southafricanguy

    the hell people take some films so seriously, I feel the same about the whole TPM raped my childhood thing. But as I said, since we are shooting the shit about the alien films, I simply remember that Alien 3 was the biggest letdown/dissapointment for me as a film at that time. Nothing to dwell on for all these years though...

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai...hey dude, whats up? Well I dont

    by southafricanguy

    agree simply because Aliens is far more comparable to Star Wars (with its many cool/popular characters, and the fact that it sets up a larger universe/mythology) than Alien. Thus my analogy stands as far as Im concerned. Especially considering that your argument in on way negates the point I was making. Killing Newt and Hicks off like that was and is bad film making, pure and simple. If the idea was to put Riply in hell, then why not have Newt and Hicks accompany her and then they could have died for a purpose, with meaning during the film. It may have made the end where Riply kills herself to kill the Queen and end the species more powerful if it was also a final retribution for us seeing Newt die saving Riply perhaps.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 6:32 a.m. CST

    And so what about the rape? What was the

    by southafricanguy

    purpose of that scene exactly? To show us how tough Riply is? Dont we already know that? Always seemed like cheap feminist pandering to me....

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 6:36 a.m. CST

    And to answer your question about what would

    by southafricanguy

    have happened to Newt in that enviroment, or Hicks for that matter, well who the fuck knows since we were never given the oppertunity to find out were we now? But im willing to bet it could have been way more interesting than what we got. I ve have shown Aliens to many people and they have all loved it, and as soon as I show them Alien 3, they always react to it like watching a slowly deflating ballooon. One of my friends does nt like the Alien films because of Alien 3, he feels its pointless to ever give a shit about any of the characters because you know they will all die...

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I have always been stunned as to why people defend....

    by rbatty024

    Alien 3. I don't know if it's blind loyalty to Fincher or what? The film is mediocre at best and a slap in the face to fans at worst.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 12:29 p.m. CST

    The only real problem I have with Alien³ is...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    that it didn't make the giant leap Aliens had in expanding the myhos. <p> other than that, I always thought the dark nihilism of Alien³ was really bold and admirable. Visually I think it's the best of the franchise (which is really saying something). All the Alien films have had really good original scores and Elliot Goldenthal's is probably the most moving. I know I'm in the minority but I've always really loved Alien³, and the Assembly Cut verges on equaling the first two. <p> But hey, don't listen to me. I like Resurrection a good deal as well. But I do take exception with Jean-Peirre Jeunet's wide-angled mugging and french flourishes of humor. That's stylistically incongruous to the established Alien universe aesthetic. But honestly I do kinda dig it though.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by Lord_Byron_Farthammer

    You hit the nail on the was those "french flourishes" that messed Resurrection up**. It was like they put Alien in the Fifth Element universe. Taking that liberty with an existing universe was selfish and stupid. **Well, along with introducing a mongoloid alien as the final badass...I kept waiting for it to cry out "SLOTH LOVE CHUNK!!!".

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Lord_Byron_Farthammer - LOL!

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    It's true.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 8:37 p.m. CST

    queen never left the landing gear?

    by frank cotton

    what alternate universe did you see the film in? another moron...

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Newt & Hicks - their presense could have saved A3.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I agree with those who were also bothered by the offscreen instant deaths of 2 of the 4 surviving characters from Aliens. Even the poor cyborg torn in half barely got a cameo. <P>The thing is this - even with a somewhat weak script and the retreading issue I think A3 could have been a lot better simply with Newt & Hicks as part of the cast. As I understand it in Newt's case the actress had aged so maybe they could have had another actress or explained it somehow, but to just kill BOTH key characters for the fuck of it was lame.<P> Imagine for a moment at least a surviving Hicks accompanying Ripley throughout her struggles in A3...Their chemistry and history would have helped the film and made it less bleak.<P> Honestly I could have forgiven the film for all of it's flaws had they at least kept Newt & Hicks or at least Hicks alive for the majority of the film and then given them respectable onscreen deaths.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 10:13 p.m. CST

    The bleak beginning is what set Alien³ apart.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    I would argue Newt and Hicks play a more important role in Alien³ than they did in Aliens. Hear me out now. By no means are they simply killed off and forgotten. No, their ghost haunt the entire film. To have two characters you love mysteriously turn up dead from the outset unfuses the film with an uneasy filling of dread and menace right off the bat. The feeling of mourning and rage for them are exactly the emotions tearing at Ripley. She also feels cheated and wants retribution. As a story and character propeller it's quite powerful.

  • Aug. 2, 2010, 10:25 p.m. CST

    + Charles Dance is awesome.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Alien Anthology

    by AsimovLives

    That's the name the pack should had from the begining, and not that dumb ass "Alien Quatrology" idioticy. I mean, "Quatrology" is not even a proper word, it doesn't exist in any language, not even in italian. I'd like to know who was the assclown who though himself so smart who came up with that stupid word, and the even bigger assclown in power who though they should went with it. They should had called it Alien Tetralogy, or as they call it now, Alien Anthology, which is a far better name.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Charles Dance is always awesome

    by AsimovLives

    The first time i saw in anything was in THE JEWEL OF THE CROWN, and right there i knew this guy was quality. Too bad Hollywood doesn't seem to know what to do with him and, invariably, cast him as many other british theater actors to play villains. Well, i guess the pay must be good, so there's that.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 6:33 a.m. CST

    @Frank Cotton

    by The_Motorcycle_Boy

    The Queen never leaves the landing gear until we see her do so. I assumed everybody reading this thread would have seen 'Aliens' at least a dozen times, so didn't feel the need to write an essay and explain every single beat in the story. It appears that I overestimated your intelligence. Apologies.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Terminator: Salvation

    by Lord_Byron_Farthammer

    Terminator: Salvation was a better sequel than Alien 3 or Resurrection. There. I said it.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 10:56 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives - Charles Dance in Last Action Hero

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    "If God was a villain, he would have been me."

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Lord_Byron_Farthammer - Yep, you said it. Now here come the pain

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Hey everyone gather up your pitchforks we've found a confirmed McG fan! <p> Although the majority of Salvation's problems lie not in McG's uninspired direction but in the lazy hackneyed script. Worse than not having an imagination, it doen't even have have a brain. There's no logical sense to any of it, it's just one giant plot hole after another. <p> The internal dialogue running during the entire movie sounds like this; "Why would they do that when they could... Where did that come from... wouldn't it be easier to just... is that Terry Crews... well that was stupid... shouldn't they know... but then how do they know... who build that... if that's true then how... But I thought there were... How'd that get there... why would computers build an analog command center and factory that could be susceptible to human sabotage... Helena Bonham Carter is what and why? Oh that was painful, I'm glad it's over!" <p> Yeah, why better than Alien 3 or Resurrection.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I understand what you are saying and I can certainly see how one could look at things that way. <P>However, for me I can't get past the idea that their off-screen deaths weren't born out of an intended purpose to infuse the film with dread and menace. Their deaths were due to script issues, bad writing, possibly $$$ and in the case of Newt her real life aging. <P> With a little creative writing they could have instilled dread and menace from the outset by perhaps killing off Newt onscreen (maybe showing the alien causing her demise) and then maybe 20 minutes or so into the movie having Hicks be the 1st victim. That would certainly have been a shock. At least Michael Bien would have had some screen time and an onscreen death had they went that route. Maybe something like that would have pleased a few more fans.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper - But Newt & Hicks being killed before the mov

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    makes it that much more difficult to process. The dread stems out from what is unresolved. What happened while we slept? Waking up to find you've mysteriously crash landed and the ones you fought so hard to protect are dead is ultimately very unnerving. The strongest menace is that which is unseen. That's what I mean, it doesn't give you the satisfaction, no instead there is this uneasiness hovering throughout. <p> I'd be surprised if that idea wasn't also at the heart of the writers intentions along with the issue of Newt's age. It was probably a result of how to make those limitations work for the film. I guess most people didn't think it did work, so I'm in the minority.

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 6:04 p.m. CST

    -being killed before the movie even begins...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

  • Aug. 3, 2010, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Alien³ may feel like a cheat but it's nowhere as egregious as

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    No Country For Old Men abandoning the established lexicon of the film over 3/4ths of the way through to suddenly find the main character you've been following laying dead in the dirt in a one second throw away shot, killed by some random faceless entity nearly unrelated to the story at all. Well now ain't that just the most precocious little thang y'ever saw, these Coen boys are just too cute for words! Talk about disrespect for the audience, at least Newt & Hicks got their story told from beginning to end, and they were secondary players! And can you believe it, that crap won Best picture!