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Director of the worst DIE HARD movie to remake TOTAL RECALL... oh well
Hey folks, Harry here - I don't mean to sound pissy, but I'm not a big Len Wiseman fan. Not yet. UNDERWORLD and UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION are intolerably awful constructions. Seriously. His LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD (jeez, my brain had trouble conjuring that wretched title from the cobwebs) only works in the moments where one can not deny the awesome charisma of its lead.
But TOTAL RECALL. Ya know, I was having a discussion with a group of friends late last night at the Alamo South - we were debating INCEPTION - and talking about the movies about dreams we preferred. Like DREAMSCAPE, TOTAL RECALL, BRAINSTORM and NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET: PART III: DREAM WARRIORS. And when it came to TOTAL RECALL we universally preferred it.
In thinking about the directing style differences between Wiseman and Verhoeven... I can't even begin. Verhoeven is real. Wiseman isn't. Verhoeven understands tension, excess and satire. Thus far, Wiseman does not. I doubt seriously there's very many people that are holding out hope for this, but dammit - I don't want a bad TOTAL RECALL movie, so I find myself in the place of rooting for Wiseman. It gets tiring being negative about a project from the get go - but this is a Missouri film... he'll have to show us, cuz he hasn't thus far.
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Jul 29, 2010 5:03:33 PM CDT
Die Hard with a Vengeance was my 2nd favorite Die Hard.
by ooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuutttttlllllaaaaa
Huh?
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you meant Live Free or Die Hard, but I'll let it slip.
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"Yu got vhat yu vhant! GIVE DESE PEEPUL AAIIIIIHHHRRR!"
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He directed the fourth piece of crap. #3 was great.
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Not Die Hard With a Vengeance? Anyway, agree with the sentiment. Don't need a Total Recall remake anyway...certainly not one with Wiseman at the helm.
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With all the shitty movies based on interesting premises (misfires, if you will) why remake the good ones? Why, why, why? Oh, and Die Hard with a Vengence is still 10 times better than Live Free or Die Hard (or whatever), which I think you were referring to Harry.
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http://thefilmstage.com/2010/07/29/thor-trailer/?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit
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Good movie. Not as good as the first two, but number 4 was poor.
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Also, the premiere episode of Perversions of Science is good, with Lolita Davidavich.
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Both Harry and Quint. Get over it. It was a good movie. Some other talk back where Quint was saying how shitty DH4 was compared to all other entries, there was a large majority saying DH4 was pretty good. Both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes have higher ratings for 2 over 4. Nothing touches the original, but 3 and 4 are both head and shoulders above the abomination that was 2.
I'm also assuming Harry you meant Live Free or Die Hard (directed by Len Wiseman), and not Die Hard: With a Vengeance (directed by John McTiernan) when you spouted off that nonsense. -
I mean come on now
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Not as good as the first two, I realize, but at least as good as the third.
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And the sets looked really cheap. Im not against a remake.
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Ok I'm guilty of it too.Both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes have higher ratings for 2 over 4.should be...Both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes have higher ratings for 2 over 4.
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comparing it to Inception just because they both have to do with dreams is pretty ridiculous, in my book.Wiseman may be a crap director, but let's not pretend that Total Recall is some sort of classic. it's pretty retarded at times,
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Both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes have higher ratings for 4 over 2.I suck
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agree totally (no pun)
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Second best of the series. Doesn't deserve to be confused with "Life Free Or".
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WHAT IS THE POINT OF REMAKING A PERFECTLY GREAT SCIFI FILM THAT STILL HOLDS UP TODAY AND ALSO WASN'T EVEN MADE THAT LONG AGO THAT A REMAKE IS NECESSARY!?!?!?!?!!??!
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(or maybe I have)
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Fucking awesome, and if there going of the short story by Dick which supposedly they are, MIB2 already ripped it off.
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District 9 and Inception have proved that well crafted/directed movies based on original content can be certified successes. Of course you have to give the money to directors with actual talent, so that'd remove Wiseman from the list.
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DH 4 was the 'worst' of the Die Hards, but it was still pretty great - especially the Unrated version. No one can write an original story about Mars/dreams/spies? They have to remake Total Recall? WHY? What a waste.
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Total Recall is as much a parody of an action film as it is an actual action film. There are moments that are campy, but we can read this as mocking the conventions of an eighties action film, or because they actually take place in the dream world. I also agree that it is a more sophisticated interrogation of dreams and wish-fulfillment fantasy than Inception (although, I liked Inception). Of course, you have understand how to read the film, something most people seem capable of but it still trips people up.
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Jul 29, 2010 5:16:30 PM CDT
What, Renny Harlin is remaking Total Recall?
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Oh, you meant Len Wiseman....Well, sorry Harry, but Live Free is marginally better than Die Harder. McTiernan's entries were the only really good Die Hard films.Total Recall is better than Inception, too. It's just as clever and a damn site more entertaining. The only person who should be re-making it is Cronenberg, although I think his interest in the property evaporated after the existing movie's release. But enough time has now passed that he could do a more cerebral and fresh take on the material with a 'realistic' main character or even a nerd (his take was to have featured Richard Dreyfuss as a mild mannered accountant who finds out he's a spy). That's the only way this is worth re-making. Len Wiseman? - NO.
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Jul 29, 2010 5:17:21 PM CDT
How in the world can you call DH:WAV the worst Die Hard movie?!?
by yamato
Its way better then Die Harder or that last one which I can't even remember the name of now.
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...can be in the remake!
Total Recall is one of those iconic 80s movies - like Robocop - and it shouldn't be mucked around with. Just leave it alone. They did good the first time. -
and shall always be so.
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i´ll only watch it if they bring her back
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Verhoeven's style is completely baroque and outrageous and goes way over many people's heads (especially a lot of literal-minded US viewers). Total Recall could easily be justified as the violent and sexual fantasies of a buttoned up, bored, working class stiff, as portrayed by Arnie at the movie's beginning. Anyway, I guess these types of viewers prefer Inception, which was pretty good, but dispassionate and straight laced, like a lot of Nolan's films. Clinical. Verhoeven is not that - he lets it all hang out, and then some.
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totall recall not so much.
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Because it is by far the worst. I'll take William Sadler and Samuel L. Jackson over fucking Justin Long any day. Sort your fucking life out, mate.
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NO NO NO NO, people who paid to see A Nightmare On Elm Street 2010 this is your fault.
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Total Recall badly needed a proper actor in the lead. Anyway, Die Hard 4 was pretty good, so I have no problem with Wiseman directing.
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That's the only reason I can think of to remake it. I mean, come on, Total Recall is awesome. Not Verhoeven's best, but still awesome.
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...which is why its the only good Die Hard sequel. How do you confuse that with Live Free or Die Hard? The titles aren't even remotely similar!
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Fail article.
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Part of what makes Total Recall classic is the very fact there's virtually none if any CGI. Which in my mind is real SFX. This will be CGIed to death by a hack director. Please don't. What's to gain from remaking this classic?
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One series harry loved, the other are "intolerably awful constructions." harry should get some perspective.
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Jul 29, 2010 5:27:25 PM CDT
Some studio executive actually thinks this is a good idea?
by no respectable gentleman
Spending $200 million on a story that was already made -- iconically -- just 20 years ago?Wow. Hollywood is even stupider than I thought.
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Um, Harry, there already IS a bad "Total Recall" movie. It's called "Total Recall" with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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Yep count me amongst the crowd who believe Live Free or Die Hard is better then Die Harder, and I kinda like Die Harder too. The point is Die Hard 4 was a fine/fun film.
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Total Recall may be cheesy, but you have to admit it's one of the most quotable Ah-nuld movies outside Commando. "SEE YOU AT THE PAHTEE, RICHTER!". Anyways, if Wiseman remakes this, it must have Johnnycab.
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Total Recall, and this annoys he hell out of me. And personally, the only good Die Hard was the first, the others aren't really worth my time.
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Remakes and sequels are nothing new people. I am talking about the hundred year history of film. How many times has the frankenstien or Dracula story been told? The Diary of Ann Frank has how many tellings? The point is stop bitching about a "lack" of originality because there are more interesting original films to be found today then ever before.
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I have scripts for sale. They're ORIGINAL IDEAS (wow, what concept) and won't cost a zillion dollars to produce. I'll be waiting by my phone....
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Harry, you just wrote the wrong DIE HARD title in this article.
School boy error.
Quick, update with the real facts. Oops too late. Bale would have trashed your lights for less. -
I was under the impression that the reason posited for the lack of good box office this summer was the overabundance of remakes and sequels. You'd think the studios would be getting cold feet over going ahead with more, and try to find more original material like Inception. It's what the public finally wants, it seems.
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with Tracy Morgan as Matt Hooper. Should be classic.
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it makes me sad. It indicates that there are many, many people out there who have decided to settle for less. You deserve more, people, stop picking up Wiseman's scraps.
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Jul 29, 2010 5:38:28 PM CDT
Renny Harlin would be a terrible director for Total Recall!!!
by zombieslayer
But he directed the ACTUAL worse Die Hard, part 2, and not Die Hard With a Vengance, which is the second best and was directed by McTiernan. The most meh, Live free or Die Hard is what you actually meant to say, but this article is quite confusing until I sort all that out. Thank you, drive through.
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There is no way 'Live Free' is better than 'Vengeance'. Huge fan of the series; watched part 4 once, and have no desire to ever see it again.
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Die Hard 2 is MUCH more worse than Die Hard 4.
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see you at the party Richter.
and they put a hack like Wiseman to remake an Arnie masterpiece with such classic lines? fucking Hollywood. -
If they keep that line, we're good to go.
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Wiseman thinks he can do a better job than Verhoeven?
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I mean, Total Recall is not Escape From New York. Hey, maybe this won't even happen...
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Nice biased reporting there. Christ, its no wonder AINC is a punchline.
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That's all I need to say.
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In his dreams he made it. The opening credits of the third film are better than all 2 hours of the fourth one.
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I wanna see some six-tit bitches!
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Why not remake crappy Verhoeven movies like Hollow Man and Showgirls instead of good ones like Robocop and Total Recall?
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get your facts straight you ignorant nerds before starting your bitching..
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it's just not that good a movie or story.
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The irony is that this was probably inspired by Inception, one of the few blockbusters based on an original concept in the last 5 years.
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It was better than the last Bond or Bourne movies. As action movies go, it was a pretty good effort. It would have been one of the better 'blockbuster' style movies this summer.
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Sure DH4 wasn't god awful, but it wasn't good either. Like stated in the article Bruce kept it alive. I've stated this before but I'd like Stallone to direct DH5 just a gritty back to basics Die Hard. Wiseman isn't one of the worst directors but he is nothing special. This remake will come and go with probably no ripple of anyone caring about it.
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This is brilliant news. I love crap movies and nothing brings me more joy than fuck ups.Infact I love fuck ups of all kind, including my dentist who knows nothing about teeth and my doctor who knows nothing about the human body and just likes sticking his fingers in my ass (to be fair I enjoy that too)
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http://thefilmstage.com/2010/07/29/thor-trailer/?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit
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Jul 29, 2010 5:48:34 PM CDT
Kate Beckinsale will play the three titted girl
by bp_drills_america_a_new_asshole
And when she goes home with Wiseman he'll make sure she still has three tits. Hubba hubba.
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1. Die Hard2. Die Hard with a Vengeance3. Live Free or Die Hard4. Die HarderI don't see how anyone could reasonably argue against that. This IS the AICN talkbacks, however...
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I don't get it.
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See you at the party Richter...
You idiot!!! You blow my cover!!! Dey be here any minute!!! They kill us all!!!
Eyeball exploding heads,Hot Sharon Stone nipples, Quato, 3 nippled hookers, midget hookers with guns...I loved this move 20 years ago and still holds up pretty well...aside from some outdated future technology, and leftover big hairdoos from the '80's...Open your mind Quaid...Open you mind... -
I just watched Robocop again last night and still love it. It actually gets better with age I think. Let's face it, the studios are looking to make an easy buck on big names. They can't wait to remake these popular films and suck more cash out of them even if they are Wiseman quality.
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its a trailer narrated by patrick stewart. its called sinbad the fifth voyage. its made in something called dynamation. the animation has a harryhausen vibe to it. http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/sinbadthefifthvoyage/www.apple.com/trailers/sinbad
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Harry...i just lost respect, fovever...you like Live Free or Die Hard over Vengeance? Well that should not suprise me as you liked the 3rd Matrix....
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SCROOOOOO YOOOOOOOO!
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Blatantly gonna be raping our eyes in multiple dimensions
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Turd, I'd argue that DIE HARD 4 was the worst of them not DIE HARD 2. I think that's the whole point of the article although Harry is kinda amateurish and fucked it up.
DIE HARD 4 was hobbled by a non-entity of a villain, a horrible 'geek' teenage sidekick, and an overlong cameo by tubby Kevin Smith that stopped the film dead. Yep, def the worst. -
I pity the fool who tries to take on that role.
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The only one who can do Total Recall the way PKD woulda wanted it.
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It's an awesome film that doesn't need a redo. Of all the Philip K. Dick stuff out there, a good deal exists that still hasn't been adapted yet.
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NEXT!
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Jul 29, 2010 6:04:32 PM CDT
Harry, Len Wiseman didn't direct Die Hard With a Vengeance
by jackslater4
It's called Live Free or Die Hard you FOOL!
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Holy Crap! This is such complete bullshit!
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Why not just continue it? From a different vantage point, flesh out the rest of the world with a new character? Deal with the after math of what might or might not have actually happened in the first one with Mars getting a full on atmosphere...c'mon, I get remakes of old classics and maybe things like Hulk that just didn't get it right, but why the heck remake a film that still works even on an fx level. There is no need for this to be remade. Remake Running man with more visious fx and baddies, but c'mon, Total Recall?? Nah..it ain't gonna be good. And sorry, but I kinda admit, I like the Underworld movies. They entertain me and give me wherewolves and vampires at each others' throats without all the angst. or pagentry...
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Which was made as SCREAMERS starring Peter Weller, would be a better choice for a redo.Not that it was awful, but Screamers bungled things up pretty good even though it did some things right. A proper mid-big budget adaptation of Second Variety would be like Invasion of the Body Snatchers crossed with Terminator's future war setting. Besides removing the Cold War elements from the original story, Second Variety is short and wouldn't be a pain in the arse to adapt to film.
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If I was a cynic I'd say you were part of this Sinbad film. Then again if I was not then I'd wonder why you would put up a link for a film that looks like dog shit. No offence to Stewart off-course. He's gotta eat!
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Sort of a Blade/Matrix blend with werewolves, a stark visual style, and Kate Beckinsale in tight black leather/PVC. Impressive that it was made for only about 25 million.I couldn't make heads or tails out of Underworld Evolution though.
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Die Hard Wit a Vengeance was my favorite of the series. I never saw the new one, but of the other three, I thought Die Hard 2: Die Harder was the weak link.
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I just got TOTAL RECALL on Blu. It still looks great and plays great. Verhoeven is an unparalleled B-movie auteur, and Wiseman can go fuck himself. Seriously. I consider myself a reasonable person and not prone to nerd rage, more nerd indifference, but anyone and everyone involved in this production can fall off a fucking a cliff. I'm done with this type of shit.
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parts 3 and 4 by most of you talkbackers. Not that Die Hard 2 (Die Harder if you prefer) is even close to as good as the original, but still... ?
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I can't believe that I'm commenting on a message board that has poeple that deride Total Recall, but sticks up for Die Hard 4. Now, the arguement that Total Recall has not aged well might be true - haven't watched it in, probably, a decade. But, you know what? King Kong (original) hasn't aged well, but its still a fucking awesome classic. And nobody, not Lord Ring boy, not Jeff Bridges, not Mighty Joe Young can improve upon it in any way. Same goes for Total Recall. Maybe, maybe, if you want to go back to "We'll remember it for you wholesale" short story and draw new inspiration....well then, maybe. But the original IS a sci-fi classic, and should not be approached for any kind of modification. And certainly not by the director of "Die Hard 4.0 - Live Free or pump out some shit ass movie that Bruce Willis should have been experienced enough to avoid at all costs no matter how many truck loads of cash they drove up to his door, because I just can't imagine Demis's allamoni fees are that much".
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But Die Hard 2 was almost a complete beat-by-beat re-hash of the first (am absurd deja vu that they even made a joke of in the movie), had crap sidekicks (the banter between Mac guy and Mclean in 4 was marginally amusing); a generic action movie villain (Olyphant was weak but he had more personality than William Sadler), absurdly brings backs William Atherton's dickhead news reporter in a very boring sub-plot, has incoherently edited action (Wiseman is a bland journeyman, but the action in Live Free was well shot with no shaky cam, MTV bs; Harlin on the other hand was an early 90's forerunner to Bay). 2's only real virtue was that it was R-rated and violent, though whenever I mention Live Free I'm usually referring to the unrated cut which was a little better than the PG-13 one. Bah, it's like choosing between death by drowning or asphyxiation, though. I agree with you about Kevin Smith, though. That was just ridiculously out of place and unfunny, and I certainly don't want to lay eyes on that idiot any more than I have to. Maybe Harry should have done that cameo himself, just like his silly one in The Faculty.
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Live Free sucked ballz.
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Willis won't work with "top drawer" directors now. Cop Out and Surrogates were two particularly big pieces of shit; he wants someone he can bully on set, and he did that with Wiseman.
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Back in the day, the TOTAL RECALL trailer seriously blew my fertile young mind. I had never seen anything like that yet, and the way the trailer assaults with so much crazy imagery/concepts just drove home how different a movie it was from the norm at that late 80's to early 90's era of mainstream films.
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What a fucking stupid move that was for a Die Hard movie. Luckily the Unrated version is much more tolerable.
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and yes, I thought "Live Free of Die Hard" was fuckin great. The PG-13 did piss me off, but it was still a damn fine Die Hard flick.
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... and I liked the last Die Hard (jet surfing aside - and yes, I think it's better than Die Hard 2). But I'm really getting sick of the whole remake thing. Sure there are some remakes that work just fine, end up being classics in their own right, and they've been doing it since forever, but the piss is now being royally taken. Leave Total Recall alone Hollywood, you giant glittery cunt.
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Die Hard > Die Hard with a Vengeance > Die Hard 2 > Live Free or Die Hard
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It was another good Philip K Dick story turned to crap by casting Arnold Schwarznegger in the lead and making a hash of the original tale for knuckle dragging action movie fans. I hope Len Wiseman makes as good a job out of the remake as he has out of his budget but original first features in the Underworld flicks. His Die Hard film was a better follow up to the original movie than any of the contrived, unoriginal crap they made in between.
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Underworld, Underworld: Evolution and Live Free or Die Hard are all entertaining, decent movies. Stellar? No, but solid. Harry, I can't help but question your taste in movies when you bash these three films, yet crow wildly about trash like Cabin Fever and 30 Days of Night. Although I don't feel like Total Recall really needs a remake, I could think of worse hands to put it in.
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Seriously, they were trapped in that damn Nakatomi Building, while in all the sequels, McClane and pals were able to run or drive around all over the place. Add to the mix Alan Rickman's brilliant and classic villain Hans Gruber, and no Die Hard sequel even has a chance of touching the first one.At this rate, I'd rather see prequel films. They could do two separate ones: McClane as a young cop, and Hans Gruber as a young thief. Two movies, no tie-ins or linking between the two. That would be more interesting at this point than another Die Hard.
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wrong director regardless will suck asa movie. i didn't like die hard 4.0 much myself it was vanilla nd ordinary , it almost felt like a direct to dvd or made for tv movie
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1. Die Hard2. Die Hard With A Vengeance (except the last 10 minutes)3. Live Free Or Die Hard4. Die Harder5. The last 10 minutes of Die Hard With A VengeanceI thank you.
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Jul 29, 2010 6:28:52 PM CDT
Total Recall 2 became Minority Report...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
and the pre-cogs were supposed to be the clairvoyant mutants brought back from Mars. I can't imagine what Verhoeven's and Arnold's version of that movie would have been like, actually I can...we would have seen Arnold gouge out his eyes and replace them in full gory detail, and the metal spiders would no doubt have inspected a room in which two big breatsed lesbians were fucking with a double headed dildo. Probably...
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I want to see Wiseman remake this. All the while he's wasting his time on this he can't screw up any more franchises. You go for it, Len!
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i dont mind underworld but he shouldn't have made die hard 4.. somebody else should have.. oh lets see, renny harlin would have been better to return to the franchise. if not John.. and paul is the only director to make a new total recall
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That was an enjoyable low budget Philip K. Dick remake, but there's still room for improvement. Of course P.K. Dick wrote like fifty books, so maybe a director could figure out how to adapt one that hasn't already been made into a film. Just sayin'.
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And I mean the only thing. Kate Beckinsale might end up playing the Sharon Stone role with Wiseman directing. But her in her Underworld latex suit probably won't save this movie from being God-awful.
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4 was pretty corny and over the top (and PG 13) but I find it's easily re-watchable. Die Hard 3 I find really hard to rewatch, beyond the first 15 minutes, it just isn't remotely fun or entertaining to watch.
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I've always thought Die Hard was a mediocre SERIES - it was only really one good movie which was the original. Now it's not JAWS series awful, but none of the sequels were great. I'm shocked by the love for DH with a Vengeance. I'd rank them 1, 2, 4, 3, but honestly I haven't seen Vengeance in years and expectations always play a role. I was so stoked for Vengeance and left very disappointed. On the other hand, I expected Live Free or Die Hard to be absolutely terrible and instead it was just a mediocre, but dare I say, pleasant surprise for a summer movie. That's not a glowing endorsement, but what can I say? Any sequel that isn't atrocious is somehow a positive experience in my book now. What else is a movie fan to do in 2010? Recall the 80s and early 90s and cry myself at sleep at night? OK... admittedly I do that sometimes in between new Christopher Nolan movies.
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While not a big Arnold fan, Total Recall is a modern classic that's still fresh today. Of course that's due mainly to Verhoeven. I'm sorry but you just cannot remake a Verhoeven movie. The very idea should be tossed upon conception.
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THOR trailer is out: http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2010/07/29/thor-comic-con-trailer-leaks/
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Seriously. The best action hero with the best sidekick with the best villian in the best landscape backed by the best score. What's not to love?
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I can understand someone wishing to revisit Phillip K. Dicks work. Given how little Total Recall had in common with Dick's book, I could understand if someone wanted to take a tilt at it with a completely different direction.But Len Wiseman? Seriously? This guys direction screams 'TV' quality. Somehow he makes massively expensive scenes look cheap.
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There is a comic book series called Die Hard Year Zero, which is about exactly that: McClane as a cop in 70's New York. Don't know if it's any good, though.The thing with the Die Hard sequels, though, is this; if they'd kept to the confined location premise things would have gotten absolutley absurd. Die Hard 3 was supposed to be on a ship, ntil Under Seige put paid to that, not to mention all the rip-offs (Passenger 57, Cliffhanger, Exceutive
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and explain to my kid why there are 2 versions of every movie he watches, an awesome one, and a shitty one. Thanks Hollywood.
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Jul 29, 2010 6:36:55 PM CDT
At least people have finally accepted that 3 is second best.
by rbatty024
I remember in previous talkbacks where people claimed it was the worst of the series. Obviously they were as confused as Harry when he wrote the above article.
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...he's a mediocre director that gets to fuck Kate Beckinsale whenever he wants.
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Total Recall is pure awesome. It's 20 years old. It doesn't need a remake.
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...he's a mediocre director that gets to fuck Kate Beckinsale whenever he wants.
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It's true. At least Paul WS Anderson and Ratner once in awhile rise to make mediocre to sometimes amusing films. Wiseman is just BAD MAN. I can't believe people around here actually liked Live Free or Die Hard when it came out and actually defended Wiseman. You like Blue? There's your fucking Les Wiseman movie - a terrible James Cameron rip off.
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4 is the film that, to me, breaks the rules of confined space.
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oh well? OH WELL? OH WELL?
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Decision, et al), made the basic premise ridiculous. What, every year McClane goes somewhere and runs into terrorists? Die Hard X: In Space, with McClane on the first civilain NASA flights encounters terrorsits?! Die Hard XXV: a 70 year old McClane fights off terrorists in his nursing home?!So they certainly had to do something new, which is why I like Die Hard 3, because it does the opposite of the first (a wide open city, instead of a claustrophobic building, and gives McClane a partner instead of going solo), yet retains enough of its gritty, everyman essence to be called a Die Hard movie.
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oh well?! OH WELL!!? OH WELL!?!?!? This is the worst news
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In the second story through some flashbacks we learn that McClane was a vietnam veteran and during the war at some point he had to fight vietcongs in those underground tunnels.That experience caused him his deslike to crawl in narrow,dark passages.in the same story we see how he meets his wife,which was through a hostage event.anyway.
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would work in another film though. All I'm saying is that it couldn't hurt to go back to some of what made the first one work so well. Since we've had three sequels that did the opposite of the first film, having things confined on the fifth one might actually seem fresh.But you're right about all the Die Hard clones that came out in the 90's. There isn't much else to do with it that the other films haven't done already. With minimal rewrites Speed, Under Siege, Suspension (Joss Whedon's spec script about terrorists taking over a major bridge), and even Air Force One (change the prez to McClane) could have all been Die Hard sequels.Air Force One was pretty good though.
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Hollywood must be off their meds. This is horrible, horrible news. Worse than 9/11 even. Okay, maybe not that bad but still this sucks. I'm so fucking pissed right now.
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play a Die Hard villain. He's about the only actor I can think of who could give Rickman's portrayal of Hans Gruber some serious competition.
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Die Hard in a Hockey rink. But out of all the Die Hard rip offs, I think Speed is really good (there was not a sequel. Shut up) and I get a kick out of Air Force One just cause I think it's good cheeseball. "GET OFF MY PLANE!!" Also, Passenger 57 does have the amazing "Always bet on black" line.
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No, its actually
1. Die Hard
2. Die w/ Vengenace
3. Die Hard 2: this was close I really like Die Hard 2, but I think its nostalgia.
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You ever fuck a mutant?
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that John McClane comic sounds better and quite a bit more interesting than the last Die Hard film.Seriously, they should adapt that into a film, and do a slick heist flick about Hans Gruber. One thing that was interesting about the third film was that we had Hans Gruber's brother. At this rate, might as well do something more with the Grubers.
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from a lame arse remake. Join my facebook group
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why not just remake, oh, i dunno, blade runner while we're at it?
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Daniel Day Lewis to play a master thief mentor character for the Gruber brothers, and a couple of younger actors that could keep up with DDL, then I say bring on a Gruber brothers prequel.
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Jul 29, 2010 6:53:59 PM CDT
why not just remake, oh, i dunno, blade runner while we're at it
by lv_426
Don't give them any ideas.
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John McClaine was a super hero. It might as well have starred someone else and have been a stand alone movie.
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I hope one day some big shot hollywood director that has been given $200 million delivers a hardcore NC-17 action film that a big studio will happily release, one day it has to happen...But it ain't gonna happen with this film...
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C'mon, John McClane shoots a guy in the chest, cuts off his head, whips out his cock and skull-fucks the guy's eye sockets? We really need to see that?
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That's one of the things that I didn't like about the fourth one. I had to continually remind myself that it wasn't some bizarre Die Hard-Unbreakable crossover.
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have a female one.Maybe Jolie or some other tough chick.And have Michelle Rodriguez in the role of Al the cop who makes contact with the female MacClane.The baddie should be male,not in the style of Gruber,but something like a British gentleman,handsome,genius and lethal.And his henchman should be female,maybe that hot brunette WWE chick who played Natasha in Red Alert 3.
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highly entertaining, classic cheese. There is no goddamn reason to remake this film. None whatsoever. A moratorium should be placed on remakes for at least the next ten years, forcing Hollywood hacks to at least TRY to create new material. It wouldn't stop them from making shit, but it would prevent them from shitting all over films and franchises we love.
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Too much terrible CG & silly sidekick horseshit. And why is the whole damn movie blue? Doesn't feel like a DH @ all.
And why does everybody now hate #2? People LOVED it when it came out (the same time as Total Recall, I might add.) Total Recall's 20 years old this summer & this is how we celebrate-with another ill-conceived remake? Ugh. -
I say that line every time I turn on the air conditioner. Cmon, a remake of this movie can't be made. Too many classic lines.
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...A Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3, Dreamscape, or Brainstorm to Inception?
Was one of your friends a monkey with a head injury?
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is the ONLY way I'll see this.
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How about Die Hard with your Daughter? Terrorists take over McClane's precinct on bring your daughter to work day.
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That line is a top 10 movie line of all time.
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Rachel Ticotins sculpted 1989-1990 ass. Absolute perfection
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Don't forget that taxi driver and the great lines he had in reference to his constantly changing number of kids he has to feed.
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It looks like a movie -- good luck with Total Recall:)
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I was a studio reader in the 90s, and read a whole bunch of DIE HARD knock-offs. Somebody mentioned "SUSPENSION" (Joss Whedon's "Die Hard on the George Washington Bridge" - I remember that script was a gas, but never got made); I'd take that over a "Total Recall" reboot any day of the week. Also remember reading a fabulous "Die Hard at the Hoover Dam" - in which terrorists threaten to blow up the dam - which was also a blast, but can't remember the title - it was bought, supposed to get made, but died.) Oh, and DH4 was surprisingly fun. Silly? Over the top? Sure! But what do you want from a summer action flick?
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Slacker!
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soon as I get off set here, we will start typing away.
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Screw You, Benny. http://tinyurl.com/n2skx6 Come On Cohaagen, Give Deez People Ehyar Ahir.http://tinyurl.com/24e5zjc
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better than cryinator 2: cryfest day. seriously using bodies as meatshields cool.
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Seriously, you just posted at Trekmovie and now you're here. As long as you're killing time, watch Austrian Death Machine videos.
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But yeah, it makes no fucking difference if this gets remade with Martian Beckinsale clone orgies tonguing the spread asshole of whoever is unlucky enough to try and fill Michael Ironside's ample shoes.
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Jul 29, 2010 7:28:20 PM CDT
GREAT ORCI I HAVE FAITH IN YOU, YOU DO IT FOR JOHNNY
by bringingsexyback
Don't listen to Asimov, we love you.
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If Cronenberg and Viggo do this, I'm in.
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I fucking love the one liners in TR. Arnies best film of the 90s? No doubt. Its also his third best film overall (after T1 and Predator).
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... to give it the (better) title it got over here in England is NOT THAT FUCKING BAD! I don't know what this site's problem is with it. It's probably the best of the sequels. (Granted, we didn't get the pussified version, we got the full yippee-ki-yay goodness). It's a solid action flick, and any failing it has as a DIE HARD movie are NOT down to Wiseman. They're down to Willis. Oh yes. In 4.0, he phoned that fucker in. It was a decent, solid, blast of an action movie, competently staged and at times with some great setpieces... but Bruno was playing himself. He was not playing John McClane. Blame him. Give his character another name, and it could be any action movie. But it's still a decent action flick, and doesn't deserve the hate it gets here. With A Vengeance, whilst still a decent flick, is just as weak, because it's basically a Lethal Weapon movie redressed to fit McClane, who is a grumpy fucker and not really the likeable all the way through. Indeed, it started life as an original script, almost became Lethal Weapon 2, then got retooled as Die Hard 3.
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I'm sitting on set on location. Internet is my only diversion between set-ups.
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Rub one out it's all good.
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Give Favraeu's heart a jump. I just did right now by accident, no joke. It's fun to get paid while posting on AICN talkbacks, ain't it.
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Jul 29, 2010 7:34:08 PM CDT
And fuck Fox for not giving a go to "Die Hard 24/7"...
by tommygavinsego
... John McClane and Jack Bauer, tearing shit up together? It writes itself, it sells itself! Wouldn't be surprised if Willis or Sutherland put the brakes on it due to the usual top-line star arguments... but fucking hell Fox, pay them WHATEVER THEY WANT!
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And listen to Star Trek Voyager - Pathways audiobook (read by Robert Picardo) on my iPod and still get paid for it. Stick it to the man, yo!
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"NOT THAT FUCKING BAD! I don't know what this site's problem is with it." I never said it was a bad movie. I had a pretty good time with it. But in it, Willis is a super hero instead of just your average reluctant badass. It was like a cartoon. It was like the scene in With a Vengeance when he gets shot up through the manhole with the water after driving away from the wall of water--except it was like that from beginning to end.
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Not Fro a smoke. Nicotine withdrawl fucks with typing.
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LAME-O
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AICN posted the entire footage yesterday or the day before. give it a rest!
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Because he's starting to become THAT guy.
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YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANT, NOW GIVE DEES PEOPLE AY-UH!
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wonder why you don't think adapting that excellent book into a movie with an actual actor in the lead is a good idea?
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Can you hook a brother up?
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Come to think of it, so did I and I liked Inception -even the bitch with the giant zit on her forehead.
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Total ReTread. Am I bitchin'? Not really... It's been ages since I saw Total Recall, probably in its origial theatrical run. Remake away. I've avoided most remakes, got dragged to see Nightmare on Elmstreet ReDo, wasn't as horrible as I expected, but still lacks the charm of original.
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will ALWAYS be T2. That was the apex of his popularity meshed with his most iconic role, all served up in his greatest and most epic film (yes, Predator, Conan, and T1 are all the tits, but T2 is Arnold's magnum opus). The Terminator's death is Shane riding off into the sunset, a farewell to Arnold's classic screen persona and the golden age of the hard action genre as a whole. Get the fuck out of here with that.Total Recall is a close second, though. True Lies a close third. His post Lies films were horrible.
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who tries to save her daughter who is one of the hostages.
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Was it a comic book or graphic novel?
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Jul 29, 2010 7:45:19 PM CDT
Total Recall had three things going for it -Triple tits!
by dirk_the_amoeba
And a midget! Ok so that's four -even better!
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Jul 29, 2010 7:45:30 PM CDT
Total Recall is Arnold's funniest film, though...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
That and Commando. Hilarious one liners
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Jul 29, 2010 7:46:10 PM CDT
Arnie, Ironside, and Cox rule. Fuck your remake
by grammaton cleric binks
That is all.
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I might be able to;)
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Jul 29, 2010 7:47:35 PM CDT
Total Recall is great because of the Verdohen/Arnold factor
by tall_boy66
And the amazing one-liners with it. It is very much a product of it's time. The problem with doing a straight-faced adaptation/remake of it is that it isn't exactly the story that makes it so good, it's the combination of star/director/script that gives the movie it's distinctive flavour. Doing a "faithful" adaptation, no matter how good the Phillip K Dick original story was, defeats the purpose of WHY Total Recall is a classic. Like would this movie have as badass a line as "Consider that the divorce" or "See you at the party, Richter!"
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He sliced a dudes head in half while throwing a saw blade! He put a hole in a dudes chest with a pipe and steam came out of it? He fucked Rae Dawn Chong (offscreen im sure) c'mon!
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the shitfest of a remake will only serve to make the original look that much better. See Tim Burton's recent output for proof.
"You think this is the real McQuade?...it is!" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Remember_It_for_You_Wholesale
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Jul 29, 2010 7:49:07 PM CDT
I wish John McTiernan was directing (had directed) Total Recall.
by the_genteel_gentile
McTiernan has gone out of his way to state his admiration for Paul Verhoeven is the reason he wanted Jan de Bont as cinemeotgrapher on the orginal Die Hard.
That said, if McTiernan made Total Recall he would most difinitely give Verhoeven what fer! Yeah Rollerball sucked, and no I can't explain that either. But McTiernan is just a flat out better director than Verhoeven has ever been.
Verhoeven's best film by far was Basic Instinct. And don't you dare say his Dutch films are any good, because I own them all and I've literelly had to endure his sick fetishism just so I can say that no they suck something awful. I guess Black Book was okay. But I swear sometimes people act like they have no minds at all, they'll give everything in a foriegn language a pass as obviously being genius. Give me a break would ya please?
Flesh+Blood was none too good either, although I'll stare at a young completely nude Jennifer Jason Leigh all day. Jan de Bont's cinematography was nice in parts. But there's no great craft going on in that movie, even Basil Poledouris' score is lacking.
Now I actually do like RoboCop, Total Recall, Starship Troopers and Hollowman. There really is some great craft on display within those films I'm just not sure any of it can be attributed to Verhoeven. Honestly, aside from excellent effects work, Jerry Goldsmith and Basil Poledouris are those films finest attributes by far. If you want to know the truth, I probably like Hollowman the best because it's the least cloying. I just don't feel any of them live up to their potential and truely believe I could name 20 directors that would better handle each of them.
The fact that every cool action/sci-fi movie Verhoeven has directed has been approached with an inherent disrespect for the material and disdain for fans of the genre is really disconcerting. Verhoeven's excuse for making everything cheesy, synthetic and completely devoid of any atmospheric truth is that he's always making a parody of the genre and essentially mocking it instead of imbuing his films with a palpable sense of conviction and plausability. No, he's turning the mirror onto the viewer and pointing an accusatory finger. It's all very snide and pretentious. I want to invest in my characters and story not slyly smirk knowingly at the irony of those silly Americans stupidly lapping up violence instead of getting the "brilliant" satire of their own fascism. I find that to be incredibly lazy, presumptuous and disingenuous.
To hell with that nonscense, I'll take Michael Bay flag waving like a nationalistic pawn with no conscience over Verhoeven's crap. Because at least it's sincere in it's attempt to rouse a legitimate emotion. With Bay you can just let go and have fun without feeling like you're secretly playing the fool and incriminating yourself in atrocities against mankind or some such.
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Accept it and move on.
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Deserves a swift boot in the ass. Total Recall works partly BECAUSE of Arnold's larger than life persona. It was a perfect fit with Verhoeven's gonzo quasi-cartoon excessive style. A great match between actor and director. More's the pity that they didn't get a chance to make "Crusade".Fuck this 'real' actor bull. Arnold has more charismsa than a hundred so-called A listers or supposed stars of today. That's what you call a movie star. Not Will Smith or Leo DiCraprio.
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And I do mean much.
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There isn't a snide tone towards sci-fi in RoboCop, if there's anything side the film is anti-corporations, not anti-genre. Verhoeven has a wacky tone, true, but it makes the film's entertaining. RoboCop and Total Recall and funny movies, but they aren't parodies.
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Hardly ever see it get mentioned in an Arnie discussion. Yeah its pretty cheesey, but c'mon Arnold is damn badass. "One of us is in biiiiiig drouble..."
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Wow, my typing is way off today, yo.
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Possesses an uncanny ability to enjoy what was directly marketed to them as teenagers.
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And that's meant to be disdainful because...?The broad has 3 tits! How is that a bad movie on any planet?
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You could motorboat and jet ski at same time on those babies! I'd be a motorboatin jet skiin mofo!
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Much like Total Recall, there will be those dismissing it on the grounds that it made a cartoon of the original source material instead of a straight adaptation. I've read King's novel, though, and aside from some good stuff at the start, it's quite boring and goes nowhere. The excessive Arnold approach suited the prescient satire of game shows, UFC tournaments and reality TV much better, actually. The novel was some bleak piece of social realism that seemed like it should have been written in the 60's.
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Jul 29, 2010 8:02:42 PM CDT
Could motor boat and water ski at same time on triple T's
by dirk_the_amoeba
Yowsa!
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Yowsa!
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Jul 29, 2010 8:05:27 PM CDT
There will be not tits in Total Recall redux
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
There hasn't been a pair (or trio) of bare breasts in a mainstream genre feature since I don't know how long. In these puritanical times, it would probably get the film labelled with an automatic NC-17.
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Sorry Serpent Kai could not resist!
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Philip Dick musta been way ahead of his time.
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Jul 29, 2010 8:07:59 PM CDT
Turd says all rightwingers are secretly gay filmakers
by dirk_the_amoeba
Keeping Tits from Americas horny youth! This must not stand!
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Tell Ryan I'm a virgin.
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Known fact
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The Titty Twister in Dusk Till Dawn. Which was 14 years ago. Fuck. Since when did titty scenes become obsolete? Gimme titties. Give them to me!
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Even though TR was great but...cmon. I don't need to hear anymore "IT WAS SATIRE!" arguments either. Verhoven movies are high minded ideas mixed with b-movie qualities, and let's never forget that.
Please tell me the satirical reasoning for having a three tittied woman, save for the fact that well it's a three tittied woman.
Inception was clinical yes, but in terms of movies talking about perception of reality here...Inception wins hands down. Although I will give TR the benefit that it was overall more entertaining on a simple level. It sounds like Harry didn't quite like Inception as much as others. God he has such terrible taste. He'll pick Inception as his flag of deviance in taste, yet he'll love everything else from here on out that he reviews. -
Why can't the just r-release the original in theaters?
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Jul 29, 2010 8:17:46 PM CDT
SexyBroughtBack outs himself applies for transgender surgery
by dirk_the_amoeba
'I'm cumming Ryan my love' - are his last words before going under sedation. Sadly, BSB opted for a cheap, drunken, Mexican transgender veterinarian surgeon in TJ who mistakenly read the chart as a transplant donor -not only did BSB lose his balls, he lost his Chihuahua as well
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Ian McShane. You know this is a perfect pick. He is both a great actor and charismatic as hell, two elements that make a great Die Hard villain (both 1 and 3 managed this).
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I've been practicing in my mind.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej3Szj6WcCY
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Jul 29, 2010 8:25:17 PM CDT
Scarlett would rip ur arm off and beat you with wet part
by dirk_the_amoeba
Then she would proceed to kick ur ass
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Harold Faltermeyer in full glory.
man I am telling you that movie holds up! I think it holds up much better than Total Recall. The Cinematography, Production Design and Costumes in TR are kinda horrible and really date it (in a bad way). Whereas Running Man may feel very 80's, but awesomely so. It's retro-cool. -
I don't think so. Total Recall = teh win. It has arms getting ripped off. And Quatos! Juno whining "WHOSE subconscious are we going into now?" does not stack up at all to the billions of moments of awesome in Total Recall.
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1 > 3 > 4 > 2
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of cheese. Like I said TR is a classic in its own right, as probably the most high minded action b-movie ever. But these tired retreads of "IT WAS SATIRE" to cover up the camp are fucking hilarious. No, it was not satire, neither was Robocop.
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You can't compare them. One's a serious film. The other is an action fest. Just because they both use similar elements doesn't mean they should be compared. It's like comparing The Natural to Major League. Both are about baseball, but totally different genres.
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Dr. Strangelove is satire and one of the greatest movies of all time.
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As I take her man away. You can take advantage when she's weak and heart broken ...
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Great lines from that movie.
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He was actually promoting the fascist society in Starship Troopers and the Los Angeles in Robocop wasn't social commentary.
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Jul 29, 2010 8:40:23 PM CDT
Whoever thinks Die Hard 2 was better than Die Hard 3
by mjs_cold_dead_pale_corpse
is a fucking monkey barely capable of cognitive thought. The Die Hard films go in this order of badassery: DH1, DH3, & DH2. DH4 doesn't make the cut. As far as I'm concerned, Die Hard is a trilogy.
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Like Tom Cruise on couch!
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Yeesh, did I just land on Mars? Cheese IS awesome! But Total Recall actually goes into it's characters and has more interesting supporting characters than anything you find in Incpection. Yes, the main character in Inception is fleshed out and his wife is a solid antagonist, but what about Joesph Gordon Levitt or Ellen Page's characters? These are two fantastic actors and they get absolutely nothing to do, except Juno gets dropped with a shitload of 30 second exposition bombs and Joesph Gordon Levitt gets to float upsisde down. Looks cool, but its the visuals and not the characters. In Total Recall? What does everyone remember? Fucking Quato! Benny! They're actual characters that stand out and aren't wallpaper in service of the story. There's a reason it sticks in your head.
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Or me on Ryan!
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and rating Die Hard!
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Any lines in Inception gonna live on as long as that one?
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Total Recall makes Inception look like a gay doggystyle sex flick.
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Where's Conti? God you sluts are fun to shit on. Oh by the way, Comic Con was great!
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Takes your beating and keeps on licking.
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I just clowned myself.
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that dude fled the country. It's just you now puto
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That transgender vet really screwed up the chart. But I'm sure Fido will make a new life as Fifi
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there was a documentary I watched not too long ago where someone suggested that Verhoven was spoofing L.A. and American culture in general with Robocop.
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The dialogue is forgettable. I can't recall a single line. I mean, it's a great movie, but what did they say?
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just hold one
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Because there's clever story behind all the action and violence.
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Jul 29, 2010 8:50:41 PM CDT
YEAH RIGHT - YOU PROBABLY DRESSED UP AS PRINCESS LEIA
by bringingsexyback
at Comic-Con to dodge the mighty Conti. Otherwise you'd be posting via speech-to-text from the hospital.
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Just sayin' Don't remake Total Recall though, don't do it!
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Says she feels liberated.
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Lemme see
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http://tinyurl.com/2fryr2x
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Um, Harry, there already IS a bad "Total Recall" movie. It's called "Total Recall" with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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City's not important. What's important is that Clarence finally got spiked in his dastardly neck.
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Jul 29, 2010 8:58:33 PM CDT
To me Wiseman's Die Hard was slighter better than Harlin's.
by the_genteel_gentile
But honesly I dug 'em both. However McTiernan is simply in another league. But with Live Free Or Die Hard, Wiseman genuenly gained some of my admiration. It wasn't a great Die Hard film, but it was rather well done. I also really liked Die Hard 5 though 20. You know, the ones with titles like Speed, Under Siege, Cliffhanger, Passenger 57, Air Force One, Executive Descision, Suden Death, Broken Arrow, The Rock, Con Air, 24, Toy Soldiers, Cellular, Hard Rain...and so on.
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It's called "Total Recall" with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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http://tinyurl.com/2cz8rx7
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How much did that cost?
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Jul 29, 2010 9:00:25 PM CDT
Me & Brian Pulido of Chaos Comics (Lady Death)
by mjs_cold_dead_pale_corpse
http://tinyurl.com/2eqe4ht
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and she was very flirty
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http://tinyurl.com/2g6bj3h
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But I'm curious how this whole thing works. Is there a database of fanboy talking points that everyone uses before writing a story? If so, you guys must keep it pretty up to date. Back in the 90s, Harry would've had to preface this story with a few cheap shots about what a disappointing follow-up Die Hard 2 was or how Die Hard 3 felt more like a rejected Lethal Weapon script than a Die Hard sequel.
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I MUCH prefer Die Hard 4 to 3. One is easily the best for me. 4 is fun and stays so on repeated viewings. It feels somewhat separate from the other movies, though.
DH3 just ends so pathetically and has scenes that are so disconnected from each other and lead to nothing. Hard to care about that one.
Thing is, opinions about Die Hard are SO varied among even Die Hard fans, about the only point of consensus is that the first was the best.
I could get behind a Total Recall remake, honestly. I'm surprised Harry would use the word "real" with it. I'm a big fan of Total Recall but my first complaint about it is how utterly fake it is! :)
The story is good, the execution is pretty embarrassing at times. Arnold's performance is often pathetic and the whole film is over the top. Always loved it though,
My point is that a different approach to the material could be awesome. One that doesn't include a body builder?
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But that one has a really nice set of boobies.
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she's getting spanked
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http://tinyurl.com/2ddv9dp
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I feel at home there with the bitches, freaks, and nerds
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Might go next year, does look like fun.
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you bastard,you lucky lucky bastard.
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There's no question Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance are the two best in the series. You can debate which of the other ones take 3rd and 4th, but that's it. McTiernan's are unquestionably the best.
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This guy can rip off all kinds of great shit to make this. Yay. So Sam worthington can be in this for no fucking reason and he can do all the same scenes just as violent as Arnold and with the same ease- because it's a secret agent recall implant duh.
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It's excessive schlocky Verhoven fun with a nice veneer of auto-parody. If anything needs rebooting, it's Hollywood.
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second only to the original. Yeah, I said it. and it's fucking TRUE!
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Jul 29, 2010 9:34:08 PM CDT
doubleARon - I agree with you on everything but DH3.
by the_genteel_gentile
With A Vengence was awesome. The best action films are only as good as their villian and DH3 had a doosy! Jeremy Irons as Simon Gruber was just too good for words. Almost as good as the greatest screen villian of all time in Alan Rickman's Hans. Plus McTiernan's shooting style is among my favorite. That's what the copycats have never been able to emulate, the McTiernan aesthetic. The fluid steadycam, animorphic lens flares, rack focus, whip pans... oh man I love it so much! Plus the story was great. Feigning a torrorist to blow up a middle school as a distraction so as to rob the Federal Reserve, c'mon that classic Gruber! "look around, it's Christmas" (in the first Die Hard film NOT set at Christmas)! McClain with a "I hate Ni**ers" sign in the middle of the ghetto. "You are about to have a very bad day". "Zeus! As in, father of Apollo? Mt. Olympus? Don't fuck with me or I'll shove a lightning bolt up your ass? Zeus!" Jeremy Irons cooly Toying with the cops, playing "Simon Says", I tell you what Christopher Nolan better take a good long gander at that if he's planning on doing The Riddler in the next Batman. Whereas Die Hard 2, establishes within the first five minutes that one can apparently call an airphone from a land line (a Pacific Bell in Washington D.C. no less), which isn't true but if it were would be all that was needed to clear up the whole mess. I still enjoyed it though. But With A Vengence came with just that!
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Jul 29, 2010 9:44:18 PM CDT
Well Like I said DH4.0 gave ma a little faith in Wiseman.
by the_genteel_gentile
Up until that I thought Wiseman should stick to being a concept artist. I do still maintain that Paul W.S. Anderson true calling and talent lay in the field of Production Design and he should relinquesh his directorial aspirations and do that instead. Please for the love of god, do stop directing!
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I can't believe people are bagging on Len Wiseman, when he's one of the few action directors working these days who can hold the fucking camera steady for more than five seconds at a stretch. The worst Die Hard movie is the THIRD ONE, with piss-poor direction by John McTiernan (how he did the first one and THEN did this baffles me) and a plot filled with more holes than Sonny Corleone.
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and star in Total Recall II.
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Saying that, I don't have a lot of faith that such a movie would be any good. It was done right the first time. It's just too soon for a remake. It deserves to fail no matter who helms it.
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Toss in a Slave Leia for a 5 way to finish it off.
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...only understand surfaces. They don't traffic in the ideas that underly what people see. They don't build worlds all that well. My policy on remakes, sequels, and adaptations is that the original will exist for those who want it. Maybe Wiseman finally clicks on this one. But really, he'd better approach this with a better game than just "a marketable film", "great action sequences", and so on and so forth. He has to make Total Recall's world LIVE. Otherwise, he'll make another pale shadow of a classic.
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The Underworld movies were shit and LFODH was worse than Indiana Jones 4. With the Total Recall remake I bet we can expect another blue-and-teal movie consisting of nothing but CGI money shots.
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The movie is 20 years old and still holds up just fine. Compare to say Planet of the Apes which was about 20 years old when Totall Recall came out.
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I hope the soulless studio execs who approved this crap lose ever last bit of their drug money and are forced to become sex slaves in Azerbaijan.
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That first film is way too talky, which wouldn't be as much of a problem if it weren't populated by lifeless cardboard cutouts. The second one is a little better as it gets right to the action, distracting us from how boring its characters are. Kate looks fantastic in leather though, no one will argue that.
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You said it, now back it up.
How is John Mctiernan's direction "piss-poor"? What are these major plot holes that prevent you from investing in DH3?
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Jedi chicks aside, (my midichlorians tell me I like the one on the right), you're the most American-looking bloke I've ever seen. That isn't an insult, nor a compliment, just a fact.
It's weird, because there are people of all bakgrounds/races there, but if I saw you in the street, I'd still think "He's American".
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The only director of the last thirty years to come close to how Kubrick approached his films, ie. as tragic satires on human desire and weakness. Rbatty and a couple of people up there get it.Basically, if you've read any Philip K Dick you'll know his books are all based on the nature of reality and identity. Thus, the decision to employ every action movie cliche in there and cast Arnie (the only 80's action star self aware enough to really make the film) was brilliant. It's not Verhoeven's fault that this stuff goes over the heads of most of his viewers, though most of his films do work great as 'straight' works too.I should also point out that Showgirls and Starship Troopers are two of the cleverest hollywood films of recent times. The fact that he decided to satirise American attitudes towards the military amd sexuality and then went full pelt with a straight face shows he has more balls than 95% of directors currently working today put together.
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...Die Hards 2-4 are all mediocre at best. The original on the other hand, is still flat out fantastic. The script and pacing rivals any commercial film of the decade, the cast were spot on and the set pieces were great and believable. It may not have lasted long but that was some hot streak McTiernan was on at that time.
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Seriously.
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Jul 29, 2010 10:45:09 PM CDT
The unrated dvd version of Live Free or Die Hard wasn't
by coughlins laws
that bad. It still comes in 4th place out of the 4 movies, but I wouldn't call it the worst. I'd put it Die Hard, Die Hard With a Vengence, Die Hard 2, Die Hard 4.
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But no way will this be better, or even come close. Wiseman is the absolute pits.
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Die Hard 2 last. DH 2 doesn't hold up at all.
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... Len Wiseman Will. BE. LOBOTOMIZED!
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Jul 29, 2010 10:58:17 PM CDT
RPLocke - DH2 holds up just as well as when released.
by the_genteel_gentile
Which is to say marginally. And look everybody ought to really agree 1,2,4,2 is the correct ranking. hey guys that hack Roger Ebert gave a thumbs down to the originall and a thumbs up to the second. Says it all don't it?
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Oh for the love of god, obviously.
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Well I'am American and I'am a Soldier, so I guess you got me pegged except for the whole shooting random people thing. I leave that stuff on Grand Theft Auto.
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Jul 29, 2010 11:03:01 PM CDT
The thing that bugged me most about Blade and Underworld was....
by mjs_cold_dead_pale_corpse
every vampire wore leather and new Kung Fu.
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Shakey-cam all over the fucking place, and there's that BIZARRE moment where Bruce and Sam are trying to get off the boat before it explodes, and they're hobbling across the deck, and McTiernan whip-pans to the left to show...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Wha...?As for plot holes, why are there no goddamn cops at the bomb site? There should have been at least a minimal police presence to keep nosey pedestrians at bay. And the moment where the water pops Willis out of the manhole that Jackson JUST HAPPENS to be driving by is supreme bullshit.Plus, the visual effects are TERRIBLE. Compared to Richard Edlund's work on the first and ILM's work on the second, it's astonishing just how poor the greenscreen compositing is in WAV. Plus, the boat explosion at the climax looks about as bad as the helicopter explosions 25 years earlier in Diamonds Are Forever (and, weirdly, there's ANOTHER strange whip-pan off of the explosion to...a bunch of random people watching on the beach? It's like McTiernan realized how bad the effect was, and wanted to get it off-screen as quickly as possible.Now, I like things about WAV...Willis is enjoyable as always, Jeremy Irons is a great, smug villian, and the first hour is decently-paced, but after the cool shootout in the bank elevator, the movie just gets worse and worse.
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Jul 29, 2010 11:09:11 PM CDT
Total Recall is like one of the best and.....
by mjs_cold_dead_pale_corpse
goriest Sci-Fi flicks ever made. I always liked how each bullet wound blew out like a bloody meat filled mess. The animatronics were also great, especially when Arnold pulled that tracking device out of his nose. Arnold's one liners are always fun too.
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Jul 29, 2010 11:13:08 PM CDT
Check this link out, all the deaths in Total Recall
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including Johny Cab.
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"I'M GONNA DRILL YOU SUCKA!!! I'M GONNA GRIND YOU UP!!!!"
"I'M COMIN!!!! I'M COMIN FOR YA BABY, HAHAHAHA!!!!!"
"I got five kids to feed."
"Baby, you make me wish I had three hands"
Hey man let me ask you something... You ever fuck a mutant? Man I know these siamese twins, you won't know whether you're coming or going."
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Great line and great film. No need for a remake. I still have my Total Recall T-Shirt I got at the premiere in Westwood. I would hate to see a sucktastic remake. Fuck Len Weisman! I'd rather see you do original crap that ruin a great film. Now you can do everything in CG. Whoop-de-fucking do! Some of those practical effects look better than what you could do in CG.
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I think Bruce Willis is a fine actor and he really made 4 watchable for me. I enjoyed it for the most part.
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This makes no sense.
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Yes, TR had great lines, but screaming remembrances of "SCREWWWW YOUUUU!" does not actually contribute to the merit of your point, it just lets me know that you are a dork who relishes in to much nostalgia, much like Harry, so I suppose that is appropriate. Inception is fare and wide the better film.
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It was a fucking HEIST film mixed with character study. Remember MI3? I liked that flick, and it didn't cover even 1/3rd of what Inception covered, yet I felt I knew more about THIS team than I did that one. The characters are fleshed upon their reactions to eachother. Arthur to Eames, Arthur to Juno, Eames to Saito, etc. For a movie that is essentially a character study plus a heist, I felt I got my fair share of getting to know who these people are, in terms of their roll to the heist. No they're not fleshed, but it's a character study...and when you take a close look that is what TR is too. Who do you think comes out the victor here?
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I wouldn't say there's "Shakey-cam all over the place", McTiernan is however going for an aesthetic immediacy that keeps the viewer off kilter a bit. The only moment I recall where it got really shaky was during the taxi cab chase. I remember at first thinking it was a bit odd to keep a shot that's bouncing all around in the cut, but then I realised the way it was making me feel in the moment was wholly appropriate. I'm not sure about this whip-pan that you have a discrepancy with, but whip-pans are an essential part of McTiernan's shooting style which I love. There are likely two reason for no cops at the bomb site. One is that Simon has the entire on a wild goose chase around all of NYC. And two, their communication are severly limited because they can use the police freequency for fear that it may trigger the supposed bomb that they're all in a mad dash to find. This is one of the things that makes Simon's plan so ingenious, he's pulling all the strings, sending the police scattering and totally manipulating every aspect. The whole point is that Simon has thrown the entire city into a tailspin of chaos and there's not enough cops to go around. I honestly have never had a problem with the effects. Not enough for them to distract me anyway. I'm sure they could be better. Jackson does have an idea where McClain is and he is searching for him, so it's not total happenstance that they end up colliding when Jackson observes a giant geyser shooting out of the ground. Still though if that's the extent of your complaints then I'd say it's pretty thin.
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Jul 30, 2010 12:08:37 AM CDT
Nasty In The Pasty - grammer correction to my previous.
by the_genteel_gentile
"can'T use the police frequency for fear..." And obviously I meant to type "the entire POLICE FORCE on a wild goose chase.
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Jul 30, 2010 12:14:08 AM CDT
There was some genuinely slick action direction in DH4.0!
by the_genteel_gentile
Really rather well produced and conceived stuff. It just didn't vibe with the established Die Hard feel that McTiernan ushered in. So on that basis it was off, but still very nice execution. Wiseman impressed me there.
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...or mame. Whichever applies.
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Surfing a dump truck could have been the original "Nuke the Fridge".
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that's not a bad thing especially with Bruce Willis is involved except for Cop Out of course. The original Die Hard was an instant classic, it did however have it's problems... mainly the dumb ass police lieutenant and the cartoon characters that were posing as F.B.I. agents.
Die Hard 2 was fucking amazing (possibly better than 1) from beginning to end, from the circumstances to the super villains remember John Amos Dammit!
Die Hard 3 had an interesting dynamic with the villain they had with Simon. Say what you want but when Bruce had to put the sign on his back that read "I HATE NIGGERS" and he had to parade around Harlem with that fucking thing on his back or risk another detonation around the city, I thought that situation was intense as anything he went through in any of the earlier films. Samuel "Zeus" Jackson worked as a fish out of water.
I enjoyed Die Hard 4 for all the ridiculous stunts, Car versus Helicopter, Truck versus Aircraft, avoiding rush hour traffic in a pitch black tunnel. I did however wanted to beat the shit out of the Apple dude, he wasn't bad in the movie, still I wanted to push his shit in.....No Homo -
LEAVE IT ALONE!
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Um, Harry, there already IS a bad "Total Recall" movie. It's called "Total Recall" with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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however improbable is actually physically feasible. Hell, it may even be easier than surfing an actual surf board. Whereas a fridge riding the concussion of a nuclear bomb from ground zero all the way out of the blast zone and radio active fallout radius is not possible I'm fairly sure.
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Logic is massively flawed and the opinion is borderline insane. Long live Die Hard and Total Recall is as much a "dream movie" as Lawnmower Man - how rediculous.
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And pull large shards out of they're feet and still manage to take out professionals was overlooked yet the truck surfing bit becomes an issue..... Really?
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why didn't McClaine simply call Holly on the Airphone just as he did within the first five minutes of the fiom, and explain the situation and get the captain on the phone. Oh yeah, because you can't call airphones from a land line. I guess you have to have that special service from Pacific Bell way out in Washington D.C. for a land line to call out to an airphone. But still no explaination as to why that didn't happen in the first place since it ws established that it could. Hell the reporter guy is using a airphone for the entire movie so it's not like they got disabled. Could have saved a whole lot of lives if you just made the call. Now THAT is a major plot hole.
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Jul 30, 2010 1:01:03 AM CDT
Vengeance had its problems but is still great...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
I think the script needed a few more passes and then it would have probably been the near equal of the original. And McT was apparently kicked out of the editing room in post as well, so that didn't help.Everything up to the subway crash doesn't put a foot wrong. The story loses its way a little after that and the editing is a tad wonky. There are a few silly bits, especially McClane and Zeus surviving a 100 foot drop onto a boat. The ending is completely tacked on (and the original ending wasn't too good either). They really should have worked out a good last act.Other than that, it's great. Great villain, quotable lines, really great atmosphere perfectly capturing 90's New York, and the action scenes are pretty inventive. Cool how it took place all around the city and the action really took adavnatge of that geography - subway, central park, wall street, the hudson river, etc. Like the original, the action seemed to evolve logically out of the story and really took advantage of the environment. The second and fourth movies seemed like a load of random set-pieces. It felt fresh overall, which can't be said for parts 2 and 4 and which were just generic, uber-slick feeling action movies for the most part. 3 should have been the real Die Hard 2 (notice how there's no mention of the events of part 2 in the film). 3 was all connected to the first with its Gruber brother premise, the robbery, McT's style, McClane in the grubby vest, and the overall grit. The other 2 were just random episodes - didn't make any difference to the character of McClane as an ongoing story.
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Indy standing out in front of the mushroom cloud did cut a pretty iconic image. It almost made the whole sequence worth it, just for that. Almost.
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Were on the same page about McTiernan. I think he's an awesome visual director, I missed his presence on Predators. Even his films that weren't very good like Rollerball, are still great to look at. Even for those that didn't like that film, you can't deny that the opening luge scene was awesome.
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I admit the snow storm was hella convenient consider it would happen on the same day as a Dictator is being shipped in.
I did enjoy the the way the bad guys took over the airport! Col. Stewart was terrifying.
This guy crashes an airplane filled with people and doesn't bat an eye. John Amos double crosses McClaine, slices a kid throat because he wasn't part of the original crew and kicks McClaine's ass for good measure!
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This is the first remake news that really pisses me off. I love that movie. And the stuff I read in this talkback... "DH4 was pretty good" "TR should have spelled out it was a dream in the end" helps me understand what nutbags like AsimovLives goes through in a Star Trek talkback.
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He plays the cab driver who says, "Hell of a day!" to Arnold. And Robert Picardo even did the voice.
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One of the most delightfully crafted pieces of cinematic time and structure ever made. In fact Commando is a very underrated Arnie, that movie was graced by a divine presence which touches the rare ones.
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There no denying McTiernan's trademark visual flare, even in that turkey. But for the life of me, I'll never understand the decision to do an entire sequence in nightvision! It's like McTiernan decided to deliberately sabotage the whole damn debacle as a big middle finger to the producers. And seriously what is up with Chris Kline's fake stubble beard? For that matter, what is up with Chris Kline? If you havn't seen Kline in Street Fighter, then you sir have not lived. The greatest unintentionally hilarious performance of all time!
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I do really quite enjoy DH2, but it is the slightest of the franchise to me. Which is no tragidy.
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Jul 30, 2010 2:32:28 AM CDT
TakingScorpiosCalls - "divine presence which touches the rare on
by the_genteel_gentile
Are you referring to Alyssa Milano? What?!
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are you joshing about the toolshed scene? Now I love Commando, but that scene was maybe a notch or two from A-Team territory in quality. I'm talking TV. 80's TV. The only difference is the gore and violence shown. It's just a bunch of stunt guys in fake stashes getting limbs randomly chopped off and axes lobbed into their padded guts. It's not staged particularly well, and the whole sequence is made in editing. That's not finely tuned, well choreographed action kinetics. It's pretty basic. But it's entertaining, I'll give you that.
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But the cutting to Holly every ten minutes SLOWS that movie down. At least 3 and 4 wrote her out of the story.
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Not that he deserves to have us know the difference.
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he keeps trying to work up the nerve to call her. It makes the end really satisfying.
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Let me know, if there's any other director capable of directing such multilayered satire?
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Smug cleverness can't compete with genuine emotion, which Verhoeven is completely devoid of. But if you must know who does it far more effectively it's Oliver Stone in Natural Born Killers. Now THAT'S a brilliant satire.
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Jul 30, 2010 3:05:43 AM CDT
...much to Quenten Tarantino's chagrin I might also add.
by the_genteel_gentile
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Oh Verhoven where art thou?
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Jul 30, 2010 3:10:12 AM CDT
Renny Harlin isn't directing the Total Recall remake so this tit
by polyh3dron
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Jul 30, 2010 3:17:11 AM CDT
I guess they could go back to the source material...
by righteousbrother
i.e. the original story 'We can remember if for you wholesale' by Philip K Dick.
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Boozed up alco john mc-clane dreams of rescuing and reconnecting with his daughter, and being relevant again.All of a sudden, surfing aeroplanes, taking out choppers with cars, and never ever being seriously injured make a lot more sense.The movie should have ended with him waking up in his own vomit, as his daughter is kicking him. "Wake up you fucking loser"
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Maybe this will be a more faithful adaptation of the excellent source material....
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Jul 30, 2010 3:53:56 AM CDT
Oh, come on. Anyone who thinks total recall is sacred is smoking
by wickedjacob
It was considered a fun but stupid movie when it came out. The most memorable thing was the three-breasted woman. Only age has made it seem good. Honestly, I can't think of anything MORE appropriate for a remake.
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constantly getting worse by a new entry in the series.
Die Hard = good, fun action
Die Harder = stupid fun action
Vengeance = tried too much to bee a brainy movie
That 4th one = was all around stupid, yet in some places entertaining
I'd rank the third one last, I wasn't that entertained by it.
So, in conclusion, my final order:
Die Hard
Die Harder
the 4th one
Vengeance
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I love Verhoeven, and Total Recall is one of his best (not even close to Robocop, but it is fun and extravagant, and from my childhood)... but Wiseman has a style that I think would be interesting to see applied to Total Recall. I'd rather they gave us a new movies, perhaps in a similar vein to Total Recall. But if it must be remade, choosing Wiseman doesn't make me mad at all. I think it's in way better hands than it COULD be in. You know Wiseman prefers practical effects whenever possible, right? This is a good thing!
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Reject more like it...
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What... did someone find shards of glass at the bottom of their cereal bowl?
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Because in 30 seconds you'll be dead... Then I'm gonna blow this place up and be home in time for CORN FLAKES...
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Why exactly is this being remade? Was there some fantastic flaw with the original or something? Was Arnold too Austrian? Was the villain too nuts? Was Sharon Stone not a cold enough hearted bitch? Do we need a CG Quatto? Or maybe someone just wants to have a chick with six tits this time around?
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The movie in general was standard Arnold big-guy shoot-em-up trash. Complete with Arnie's high-school-play type dialogue; "Consider that a divorce" for example.
And the movie lost any chance of me respecting it at the end when everyones' heads start exploding. First of all, that shit doesn't happen. If you get thrown out on the surface of Mars, you're dead, no doubt. But you don't inflate like a balloon until your eyes pop out. You suffocate, possibly die of an embulism, but you don't "blow up". Ask any astronaut or space scientist. All that crap was purely for gore value. Now I'm all for gore, and even going a little over the top; but that scene was just insulting.
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I don't wanna sound negative but NO NO NO!!! Total Recall is already a fuckin rad movie. Remake a bad one, like UNDERWORLD. I can't believe he managed to warring vampires and werewolves boring. Twice! ARRRRRGH! Fuck this news! Make a new site called 'Ain't It Balls News' (or AIBN) and post this sort of stuff on there. I cannot express my displeasure at this news enough...
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.....does it mean that you should? I'll let YOU decide.......but the answer's "no"......
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in the rachel Ticotin role(remember her?) then Ill go.
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Because of the daughter. Can't stand that type of bullshit.
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from the 1980's have dated really badly.
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Sure Total Recall is not a 'classic', but it's a hell of a lot of fun and one of Arnie's better movies. "Get you ass to Mars".Now with the Die Hards, a simple rule should be followed: no sidekicks. I'm one of the few that was not crazy about the third one. The whole Sammy Jackson character was not needed. He works on his own against impossible odds, that's how it should be. And of course the disjointed ending certainly doesn't help.
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...that have the audacity to attempt to shit on the first Total Recall will be begging for the original when this abortion of a remake finally hits the screens. I'm sure they'll cast Sam Worthington for the lead role...
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...that have the audacity to attempt to shit on the first Total Recall will be begging for the original when this abortion of a remake finally hits the screens. I'm sure they'll cast Sam Worthington for the lead role...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxn0Xfqkgw&feature=relatedtinyurl.com/yfe3b8j
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I actually liked Verhoeven's ROBOCOP and STARSHIP TROOPERS, but TR was a pretty middling effort. Saw it in '90, said "Well, that was fucking stupid," when the credits ran, didn't look back. And yeah, I got that it was supposed to be "camp". SFW.
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Why remake Total Recall? Its a great piece of sci fi action 90s Verhoven movie madness.
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a mind-fuck.When you see them preparing Quaid for the memory implant, and he's describing his perfect woman, the graphic shows Melina. It's the concrete proof that everything that happens in the movie, is Quaids psychotic break.As they describe the secret agent scenario to him, they describe virtually everything that happens in the movie.But the fact that they show the Melina graphic long before Quaid would ever meet her, is the proof that it's all in his mind.Much like the way Blade Runner sans voice-over clearly indicated Dekkard was a replicant (and this improved the movie a LOT), those who realised Total Recall was the story of one mans psychotic break with reality, tended to think it was excellent.
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...it would be better if Verhoeven remade some of Wiseman's stuff!!Total Recall does NOT need remade! Whatsoever!! WTF!!!Lazy, unimaginative studio fucks, give us something NEW!!!
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Wasn't a complete shitstorm. And to say it's the worst in the series isn't saying much when the other three--including Rene Harlan's Die Harder--were very good to fucking great.
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..is currently creatively bankrupt and has been for a long long stretch now. This is a desperate ploy they will gain nothing from. Celebrate the original that people had the balls to let Verhoeven make when he did and then call him up and get him on another actioner. And Total Recall is not a franchise - it's a great one-off that doesn't need to be remade. Make a new movie ffs.
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It's weird in a repulsive way, even though they try so hard to make a good film. Robocop, as opposed, is weird in a good way. Total Recall has the vibe of Robocop, but leaves a nasty taste afterwards. The final blow of this movie was the three characters trying to BEAT MARS LOW AIR PRESSURE. Arnold BEATS VACUUM.
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With all the debate raging here about the rankings of all the DH movies, I'm gonna have to go back and watch them all in order. No contest, the original is the best - but the sequels? I remember liking 2 when it came out, but haven't seen it since. I remember being very disappointed in 3, and again, haven't seen it since. And maybe it was the nostalgia factor, but I had fun at 4, jet-surfing & Kevin Smith not withstanding. But I need to see them all again (can't remember the alleged crappy ending to 3, but I remember being soured on it at the time.)
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They can remake it, but much like remakes of Psycho, The Manchurian Candidate, and King Kong, any remake will pale in comparison to the original.
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Just make one of those into a movie. There's still a lot of unfilmed stories of his out there.
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Was so boring and stupid. A whole franchise built around Kate Beckinsale in tight leather. Goddamn she is jerk-worthy!
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Sowwies, Haters.
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Die Hard 4 was much better than his Underworld movies, but those were complete shit. When the movie started and the first action sequence was pretty good, then I thought we might have another good Die Hard on our hands, but it just got worse and worse, culminating in McClane on the back of a plane.
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I'm OK with certain aging films/franchises getting the makeover treatment i.e.DOTD 2004,The Thing 1982,Scarface 1983,etc.But NOT Robocop, EFNY and Total Recall which was verhooven's signature sci fi and lord knows that Wiseman's version cannot compete with Paul's. consider this a Dead on Arrival.
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love your ending to DH4......make it so.
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is with Kate Beckinsale as the main character running around half the movie with no shirt on.
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You guys are nuts! It was a lot of fun and yeah, it wasn't a hard "R". So what? It was by far one of the best Summer movies of recent years. Just get over yourselves and go have a good time once in a while at the movies. Don't be so darn critical and grouchy.
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I could careless if I remembered a one-liner from a flick. I'll definitely watch Inception more than the soulless and pure eye candy that is 300. Forgettable? Look no further than DOTD. Watchmen... cool intro and the rest is a natural alternative to Ambien.
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Someone desperately needs to give the director total recall such that he might recall there's already a Total Recall film out there and he should go and screw up something else instead.
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A 20 years later type-thing. Arnie's almost freed up too.
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Jul 30, 2010 9:20:44 AM CDT
I've nothing against Wiseman. It's just a bad/pointless idea.
by mr nicholas
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Jul 30, 2010 9:24:00 AM CDT
I love Total Recall like nobody's business, but...
by the bicycle sharer
Comparing it with Inception? That's like comparing the most awesome Roger Corman flick ever to Citizen Kane. Also love Robocop and Starship Troopers.One of my standard "tests of greatness" (only comes with time) is that, if that flick is on while you're channel surfing and you hit it and you stop to watch the rest (no matter where it's at in the movie) then you've got a great flick. Total Recall and Starship Troopers are definitely in this category (along with Silverado, Tombstone, Raiders, ANH, ESB, The Big Sleep, and others).
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Is like comparing The Quiet Man to Raging Bull because they both have main characters who are boxers!
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And then fix the error after much talkbackers consternation? Turn in your geek card, Harry. That's amateur shit right there.
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But I also remeber that it seemed to go on for 5 hours.
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Good thing they put that in, otherwise we might have heard something inappropriate.
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People, it comes down to this. LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is the worst Die Hard movie for one crystal clear reason: It made Timothy Olyphant DULL DULL DULL!!! No other property of the film is capable of redeeming this atrocity. DIE HARDER is pissed on for being directed by Renny Harlin, and while Harlin has an overall poor track record, DIE HARDER (and THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT while we're at it) are solidly entertaining flicks. So there.
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There has been such a torrent of bad movie news (and bad movies) in the last few years that I just have to shrug and say "oh well" because if I got mad everytime I hear about this stupid crap (like a Jack Black Green Lantern that almost was, or a Smurf movie that will be) I would have ulcers.
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This is beyond even Hollywood's normal aptitude for bullshit...this must NOT happen. What's next? A Blade Runner remake? Oh shit, hope the wrong person doesn't read that.
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get your ahss to Mars, get your ahs to Mars... etc" My bro and I said that to each other for like 2 years. And laughed our asses off every time.
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Live Free had Jeremy Irons. It is easily the 2nd best Die Hard. You're welcome for my pointing that out, and apology accepted.
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With a Vengeance had Jeremy Irons. Live Free had Joe Piscopo and Eric Roberts. My bad.
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Instead of everything awash in a blue tint, everything will be tinted red. Hey folks, at least its not the king of bad remakes John Moore...
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Happy 63rd, Mr Governator sir. -
Because we know that he's a quality film maker.......or hey maybe Peter Berg.
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Get Bonnie Bedelia and do another righteous Die Hard and end it with them visiting the inlaws in Pomona.
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Go choke on a cream-filled, blood-engorged cock with that shit.
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But none of them were as good as the first one. They should call it "We Can Remember it For You Wholesale" instead of "Total Recall."
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Hah! Dude are you drunk? Nowhere in my post did I appear to be confused between the two movies, did I?
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"I think its still hungry!"
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Jul 30, 2010 10:50:38 AM CDT
Neal Moritz is producing this under his Original Film banner
by d.vader
You fucking hack. You're producing a remake of a film- not a remake of the original source material, but of the first adaptation- and you have audacity to do it under a production company called Original Films? You. Fucking. Moron.
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Jul 30, 2010 10:51:30 AM CDT
I'LL BLOW THIS PLACE UP AND BE HOME IN TIME FOR CORN FLAKES
by darth busey
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Good.
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in that he basically just puts characters in his films to give them brutal death scenes. He approaches every movie like it's a Friday the 13th sequel.
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his host.
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... by a distance.
So is this a new version of the book "we can remember it for you wholesale" or a remake of Total Recall. A new version of the book would be cool and I have no issue with it. A remake of total recall seems, odd.
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for our delight at the Robocop remake getting canned. Damn you to hell unforeseeable consequences!
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I don't get it...Bruce is one of the classic badasses, ok, got it and agreed for the most part (sorry, I saw him first in that tv detective show with whatsherface and he wasn't remotely badass in that).But I don't really get a movie geek's appreciation for what was a direct insult towards movie-geekdom in general in DH4. Granted, of course, it was script and he just said it but he certainly turned up the whole bravado thing to be basically an asshole to most everything held sacred in the movie geek world.Even beyond that, he was just a fucking asshole in DH4. Belligerent to everybody he speaks to, making a point of being a huge dick to the computer geeks in particular...only later learning to appreciate the ability of his unwelcome side-kick.No, DH4 was a complete piece of shit all the way through and not even re-watchable like Terminator:Salvation or other mediocre action flicks. The reason is simple: John McLane went from being a modern day "Indianna Jones" type of reluctant hero by being unwillingly shoved into batshit insane situations but yet keeping a razor sharp wit and wonderfully sarcastic sense of humor the whole time. He bleeds, gets shot, limps, crawls, screams, falls, and basically scrapes by and Bruce's charisma is turned up to 11 the whole time and it works perfectly...it's one of few saving graces for DH2 that's getting lambasted in this thread.But that wasn't present in DH4. Bruce basically mashed his Pulp Fiction character and I think the "Last Man Standing" character with only the most tiny spec of McLane and came up with some sort of amalgram character where all of the vulnerability is gone and only the idiot and arrogant bravado remains.DH4 wasn't saved by Bruce's charisma or anything else as it wasn't present. At no time did I think I was watching John McLane and not just because his head was shaved. This is not the same guy that said "Now I know how it feels to be a tv dinner!" or "Come out to the coast...we'll have a few laughs..." while rolling his eyes in dismay at the batshit insane situation he's found himself.Did McLane even smile in DH4? Was there intentional laughs with his brevity in the midst of chaos like in all previous versions of McLane? Even the shitty DH2 version? No, DH4 simply isn't the same character and I blame Wiseman AND Willis and whomever wrote that vapid screenplay.
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...I'm a New Yorker, and that movie was completely 'New Yawk', from the wise cracking truck drivers, to the bankers commuting to their Wall Street jobs, to a public city school. It felt like my childhood, minus the cool action and Bruce Willis (grew up in Astoria, Queens and Brooklyn, now a Long Islander in the burbs).
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Mainly because it had balls. The gun fight in the apartment in Live Free was cool but up until the end the action was "meh". DH2 at least had the action down. It also has a villain line I will always laugh at and love. When they trap Bruce in the cock pit. One hench man says something like "He's got no where to go" Col. Stewart: "He's going to hell!". Sorry but Live Free has no moments like this.
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was the best thing from the whole fucking movie.Well, that and the parkour guy.
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it was all a dream. Therefor you peoples heads can blow up like ballons and pop. But why Quaids subconscious was littered with such atrociously bland yet gaudy cinematography, Production Design and costumes, I do not know. However the Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack running in his mind is awesome!
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I liked the Underworld movies. Even the unnecessary 3rd one. But why attempt this? Why not reboot a movie that could use it, like Short Circuit?
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Are you trying to insinuate something negative about Peter Berg? I will not abide such nonsense. Very Bad Things is a great little darkly perverse black comedy. The Rundown was all kinds of entertaining. And the sole piece of evidence that Dwayne Johnston could be a legitimate contender to the crown. A really fun take on the Midnight Run premise. Friday Night Lights resonates with truth and the TV show is an absolutely brilliant charater drama superior even to the film (as well as everything else on television...ever). The Kingdom was fantastic, gritty and taut. Superior to The Hurt Locker if you ask me. Hancock wasn't the greatest I admit. But it was still pretty entertaining and mostly very well made. So I'm not gonna just let that quip about Berg slide. He's a very talented filmmaker and doesn't derserve being lumped in with the likes of serial offenders like Stephen Sommers. Although Deep Rising is pretty cool! Now stand down Samuel Fulmer! Stand Down!
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This movie will change cinema forever.
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'Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World' is the future of movies.
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His films are bland derivative garbage that aren't even shot or edited well. Can't wait for Battleship! The guy makes Ratner look like Scorsese.
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Everyone knows that.
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Everyone knows that.
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It has such beloved defenders as film critic Armond White (who also admires Jonah Hex)!
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Winner: Scott Pilgrim. The cinematic event of 2010 is almost here.
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I'm hearing the same thing from countless experts... 'Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World' is going to break box-office records.
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Col. Stewart was great. Gotta love it when the reporter asks to have "a couple words."
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Die Hard on a mountain is awesome! Like you said Long Kiss Goodnight was great. What problems exist within the still hugely entrtaining Die Hard 2, reside within the script. Cutthroat Island is underrated, seriously, it's pretty fun. Deep Blue Sea even had some decent direction in it. I mean, say what you will but as bad as his Exorcist was, it's 10 times better than the Paul Schrader abomination he came in to completely reshoot. His straight-to-video thriller The Cleaner starring Samuel L. Jackson was actually pretty good. 12 Rounds was fairly descent until that rediculous ending where they just bail out of an out of control helicopter and... well if you've seen it then you know. I'm not mad at Harlin though, he just needs a good script. And someone to restrain him from making digital car races (Driven).
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Patrick Tatopoulos' "Rise Of The Lycans" was the only satisfying entry in the Underworld series.
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That review said so.
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That review said so.
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I don't care who knows it. The guy is a fantastic filmmaker. If he were to all of a sudden go silent a huge void in cinema would be felt. You'd all miss him and you know it. Nobody does it like Bay, and lord knows how they do try. the fact that visionary like Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Oliver Stone, Christopher Nolan and Tarsem Singh have all expressed admiration for Bay's visual prowess and action kinetics really does say something. Spielberg is a huge believer and supporter. Cameron wanted Bay to direct his script for Planet Of The Apes at one point. Oliver Stone has been complimentary on Bay's visual style. Christopher Nolan has stated that He's a huge fan of Michael Bay. Tarsem Singh has defended Michael Bay as a colleague and friend. Stating that Bay is not a slave to commercialism, but is actually making very personal works according to his own passions. So that makes me feel rather vendicated in my own admiration of the man, the myth, the BAY!
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Berg is great.
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Transformers are Bay's worst. Their only saving grace is the penache in which Bay makes them. Toy Story 3 is a very smart and moving film. If any film can be both of those things, then they are worthy of much praise.
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Jul 30, 2010 2:04:07 PM CDT
THE_CHOPPAH - BB2 suffocates under it's own weight.
by the_genteel_gentile
01. The Rock 02. Bad Boys 03. Pearl Harbor 04. Armegeddon 05. The Island 06. Bad Boys 2 (This is were my admiration begins to dwindle. Firing Mark Mancina and replacing his brilliant original score with generic Trevor Rabin leftovers and warmed over Dr. Dre hand-me-down beats is unconscionable. Plus ther's about 3 too many action sequences. Ripping off Jackie Chan's superior shanty town car chase distruction from Police Story was wholly unnecessary. And the the character dianamics between Mike and Marcus were really nasty, mean spirited and just not fun to watch.) 07. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fafllen 08. Transformers
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Jul 30, 2010 2:06:35 PM CDT
THE_CHOPPAH - I don't think you even saw Toy Story 3.
by the_genteel_gentile
Not sober anyhow. Yeah yeah, save it. I already psychically processed your joke reply.
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the films are as follows in quality order ... 1 ... followed by 2 or 3 depending on your tastes (i personally would put die hard 2 before DHWAV) and the awful 4. Len wiseman has thus far demonstated as much talent as the likes of Paul W S Anderson and Brett Ratner. He doesnt deserve to be anywhere near the die hard films, as has been proven by number 4. the scene where McClane confronts his daughter in the college campus at the beginning is alone the single worst scripted and acted scene in the whole saga. as soon as i saw the way bruce was playing John here i knew it was gonna just get worse. he plodded through the film like he was on auto pilot, like he couldnt care less, much like his sleepy performance in cop out. sleepy is the only way to describe it. wake up bruce, find a good script and good director (try Shane Black, he scripted your excellent Last Boy Scout) and deliver a great Die hard film, and none of that horseshit PG13 business either.
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It's a foregone conclusion.
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Jul 30, 2010 2:41:32 PM CDT
JackGraham - Ratner is as bad as has been purported.
by the_genteel_gentile
He's slightly better than McG, if that's a glowing endorsement. His Red Dragon has elements that are superior to Mann's effort. Specifically the climax and ending which Michael Mann just flat out botched to incoherent proprtions in Manhunter. Remember the slowed down stutter frames to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida where you can't even tell what your looking at but know it has no momentum, structure or flow. But I do prefer Manhuntter's overall vibe and performances. Still Ratner's version was above serviceable. Money Talks and Rush Hour were a lot of fun. They were executed exactly as they should have been. The Family Man was well done. It's no It's A Wonderful Life, but I found it entertaining enough. Whatever qualms one might have on X-Men 3 can't really be blamed on Ratner. He came in as a gun for hire late in the game and did a rather proficient job. And that's the word for Ratner, proficient. He's not great, not a visionary, but he's... proficient. Which is better than I can say for the likes of guys like Joss Whedon. No the problem is Ratner comes accross a rich, spoiled little douchbag. Which I'm fairly certain he is. But he's by no means a talentless hack. A hack maybe, but not talentless.
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Jul 30, 2010 2:42:25 PM CDT
Ratner ISN'T as bad as has been purported. (I mean)
by the_genteel_gentile
Freudian slip?
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I really like that movie. That's just good fun. A lovely little light romp of a heist flick with Pierce Brosnan, Salma Hayek and the incomparable Woody Harrelson. Definitely Ratner's best in my mind.
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bcos as you said Red Dragon has its moments, as does his other mentioned films, and i'm actually in the minority of people who didnt hate X3, but Len Wiseman, from the very opening uninspired opening seconds of the film, which started like just another generic action film rather than a die hard film, it was like watching Sandra Bullocks The net, not die hard 4.
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Bullock and Maggie Q were better than any of the villains in 2 or 3, imo.
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I knew this day would come with all these remakes! MAKE AN ORIGINAL MOVIE
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todays his bday!
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is better than all of DIE HARD 4 put together.
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Fuck you, ash-houle.
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I honestly never would have thought that! Personally, I find Bay awful. People say he can stage action, but what's the point of being able to do that when you then edit it so incoherently that it looks like you gave a Chimpanzee some dailies and a copy of AVID?
I don't mind Bad Boys 1, and The Rock has some fun actors, but everything else? Pretty dreadful - especially Transformers. Transformers 2 is one of the worst, nastiest films I have ever seen. You have the classic Bay "editing" combined with the poor design (not renders, but character design) of the robots, and can't actually tell who is fighting who, or what they are doing. Then on top you have the gay dog jokes, the mom on drugs (hahaha), a plot that makes no sense at all, stereotyped 'black' robots ("We'z can'ts reads no good.") and a robot humping Megan Fox's leg. Ugh... that film makes my skin crawl. -
Jul 30, 2010 4:09:29 PM CDT
oh and Inception was stinky like a bum's alley poop
by takingscorpioscalls
dicaprio always had a furled brow, i coulnt help but look at those two lines in between his eyes all the time.
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He is both stylistically as well as overtly...I've never seen so many product placements in my life as I did the first time I saw "The Island". I have a healthy sense of "suspension of disbelief" and it does take quite a bit to pull me out of even a mediocre film but the 10 minute Xbox scene (video game fight between MacGreggor and Johanssen, it was not just obvious but fucking annoying).However, I'd agree that if he had a decent DoP who actually told Bay "NO!" and editors not mainlining RedBull, we'd likely see some very amazing and profound special effects in his action sequences. It's like he has some genuine badass action scenes but thinks they're not badass enough so he goes apeshit...Many, many, many talented people suffer tremendously from an inability to hold themselves back when it comes to exhibiting that talent. Some good actors overact, some great screenwriters write a plot into the ground and some visionary action directors just keep going and going and going until they wind up with a clusterfuck of madness that only has a vague resemblence to what was on paper. Bay suffers from the "faster, louder, shinier, hotter always = better" syndrome. It's not too late but since he's in the "Yes man" bubble, it's probably unlikely to change. Like M. Night, he can excel in his profression is he only bites off what he's capable of chewing...2nd unit action director and maybe even stunt coordinator?? Of course...hire the guy on the spot. But even handed director able to match action for drama and create a self-contained entertaining flick? Meh, not so much, I think...well, ok, there's no accounting for taste and I'm not asshat enough to think you're a dickhead if you disagree with me and we do get the occasional original film so it's not like Distict 9 doesn't exist because Transformers does....but yeah...talents misdirected makes for a confusing mess and loss of true potential. George Lucas is not so different...storyteller? Brilliant. Director? You're kidding right?
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Jul 30, 2010 4:22:47 PM CDT
Cinematographer Wally Pfister on Nolan's love for Bay -
by the_genteel_gentile
"But there are the movies out there that he loves and I hate. I'm not a big Michael Bay fan. Chris loves Michael Bay's movies. And so I'm always like come on, dude! But he sees something in it, and I don't see it." This coming from the cinematographer of The Italian Job, which was trying it's very hardest to be a Michael Bay movie!
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I did like INCEPTION, though, had a lot of fun with it. But it is not -- NOT -- the masterpiece so many are declaring it to be. I don't begrudge people their love for it, but let's not crown Nolan the next Jules Dassin or Stanley Kubrick just yet.
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Jul 30, 2010 4:23:55 PM CDT
Wally Pfister is a damned fine cinematographer, though.
by colonelfatheart
His work on THE PRESTIGE was fucking Professional, if you get my drift.
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But I agree, there are some pretty glaring flaws in it. The biggest I can think of right now involve holding off on introducing the Tooth Fairy (Noonan fucking rules) for a while, only to cram his love story subplot in. I wish that it had more room to breathe, especially since Mann salvages what he can from it with strong performances from Noonan and a tasty young Joan Allen. Second, the ending. I love the use of "Inna Gadda Da Vida" and the slo-mo, but the jittery cuts were more distracting than anything because they did not fit in the context of the scene or the movie's aesthetic to that point. Just Mann being a stylistic showoff. Still, very good. I'd give it 3.5 stars bordering on 4 out of 5.
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at a drive-in. The triple boobs blew my prepubescent mind.
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To good dream movies.
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...It is.
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Michael Bays movies are all known for there great visual style. DP's are lining up to work with the guy because they know he'll really indulge their cinematography. And in the process of really going for high style even teach them a thing or two.
Howard Atherton (Bad Boys, Fatal Attraction, Indecent Proposal, Lolita)
John Schwartzman (The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, Seabiscuit, Conspiracy Theory, The Rookie)
Amir Mokri (Bad Boys 2, Transformers 3(D), Lord Of War, The Salton Sea, Pacific Heights, Blue Steel)
Mauro Fiore (The Island, Avatar, Tears Of The Sun, The Kingdom, Training Day)
Mitchell Amundsen (Transformers, Transporter 2, Wanted, G.I. Joe and 2nd unit DP on a ton of huge blockbusters.
Ben Seresin (Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallin, Best Laid Plans, and Tony Scott's newest Unstoppable)
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The rainy car chase to the snowtop raid was good but yeah overrated no question. also everyone talks too dull, and everytime the french chick appeared i just go "OH great lets do this again" and i was only interested to see this future mad max and hes pretty good.
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I can't stand Bay's movies. Well, with the exception of THE ROCK, which is one of my guilty pleasures (such a great fucking cast, too) and the first BAD BOYS. But even though his personal style (And it is a personal style, no doubt. Bay's an auteur; I just don't think he's a good one) is not good, his movies, with their extreme lighting and camera movement, are sizzle reels for DPs.
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Jul 30, 2010 4:51:11 PM CDT
Darth Macchio - I actually agree with your assessment of Bay.
by the_genteel_gentile
For the most part, you're dead on. He does need someone to reel him in. BB2 and The Transformers movies are proof of that. I think Bruckheimer did a better job of containing Bay than Spielberg has. there are economic reason for product placement. I'm not going to begrudge films from taking advantage of that. I mean the fact is you could have everything branded ACME or you could use real brands that exist in the real world. I don't know that one is more distracting than the other. We do live in a society that is branded everywhere you look, so like I said I'm not going to begrudge.
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But too much of the dialogue was taken up by exposition for it to really pay off in an emotional sense. Cotillard was actually my favorite performance in the movie, other than Hardy's. I think he's going to be a good Max.
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I'm been a big fan of Shane Hurlbut's for a long time. I actually much prefer his style of lighting to Pfister's.
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because their sensibilities are similar. Spiels likes spectacle and all that, but he's too touchy-feely for Bay. As for product placement, I agree with you there, too. ET is a certifiable classic, and it features a product placement (Reese's Pieces) pretty integral to its charms.
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"The Rock" isn't a guilty pleasure-- it's a damn good action movie, and is a lesson on how to cast big names in roles that actually do them justice. I know it feels odd giving praise to a Bay movie, but don't be afraid to let your true emotions regarding The Rock fly free. You're among friends.
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Die Hard 2: Die Harder was for shit.
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Wiseman you suck. You're not wise you'r dumb.
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I prefer Manhunter to Red Dragon. Will Graham with some night vision goggles... awww yeah.
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The first one looks like it was made in 1962.
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Jul 30, 2010 6:40:21 PM CDT
What has more entertainment value- Inception or Total Recall?
by tall_boy66
One has talkbackers tripping over themselves to declare it a masterpiece when it's not even the best sci-fi movie released in the past year (District 9 wins that, easily). The other movie has 3 tits. 3 tits = more entertaining = teh win. Pretty easy to figure out.
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You know what I mean, dammit! Over-rat-ed. *clap clap clap clap clap*
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I hate you and everybody like you. You've ruined this site for anyone who, y'know, wanna discuss movies like a sane person. It's funny, I thought it was bad before, but you and your ilk have made it a hundred times worse. Please eff off and go away.
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As you seem to have the mental capacity and manners of an eight-year-old.
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You tread that line like a fuckin' tightrope walker, pally, but you seem to know the difference. Plus, your handle is based on a totally badass movie, so...respect.
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...Why hasn't Harry Knowles corrected this typo?
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Always glad to hear that from someone else.
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This is why I hate the internet.
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More like intrigued.
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Haven't heard that in a while. Well, technically, I guess I've NEVER heard it, except for when I fuck something up and mutter it under my breath.
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Another hole in your credit as a critic. You think GI Joe:ROTC and Vanhelsing were great movies by a good director but you think DH4 and Wiseman are bad? Just read that a few times and let it sink in. You are borderline movie retarted.
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Jul 30, 2010 8:56:06 PM CDT
How come no ones mentioned the bad ass alternate end scene that
by tritium
from Die Hard 3.
The alternate end scene where McClane tracks down Gruber in the bar in Hungary. And the Russian Roulette with the Chinese rocket launcher. I wish McTiernan stuck with this ending: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVwuFsiZv4
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I like the Original, and I don't think, that a remake is needed.
there is still so much stuff without a Movie-Adaption, that it's actually a shame, noone did it.
If they wanna do a Scien ceFiction, how about making a Perry Rhodan-Movie(my father's a fan of that).
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Opps, I meant Les Wiesmans.
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Period, I can't state that enough. District 9 is the best Sci Fi we've got in a looooong time.
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Though DISTRICT 9 scored in its setting and the initial set-up for the plot, too much of it was ripped off from core SF/horror properties for it to be too much than, ultimately, a neat fan-boy first movie. It's too reliant on THE QUATERMASS EXPERIMENT, THE FLY, the ROBOCOP movies, even ID4, plus plenty of others to be seen as anything other. the idea of swapping racism for species-ism is neat too, but it gets abandoned for the usual guns n shit. That doesn't make it a bad movie, but the idea that it's "the best sci-fi we've had in a long time" is plain wrong.
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Inception is naught but a zit on the ass of Total Recall. I'm guessing Scott pilgrim will be too, even though that's even more apples and oranges then the former.
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D9 was also far superior to Inception, and D9 is no amsterpeice either.
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masterpiece*
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1, 3, 4, 2.
#4 wasn't the greatest thing since tater chips and it did suffer by a certain mis-cast director Cameo... but it was still quite watchable. #2 was just pure malarchy.
As per dissing Underworld. Fuck You. Underworld 2 was pure shit I will absolutely agree... but the original Underworld is a vastly underrated film and one I will still gladly rewatch to this day.
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was called The Rock. You know, also known as the best action film of the 90's. Although Speed, True Lies, Die Hard 3, Mission: Impossible and Bad Boys are close runner ups. Though I'm not sure you'd classify M:I as a straight up action film. Maybe not? I'm relegating T2's genre as Sci-Fi and therefor ineligible as a pure action film. If I were going to rank it I'd also be compelled to place Braveheart and Saving Pvt. Ryan at the top of the heap.
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Shit passed off as art, sparkly vampires, whiny ass sith lords, shitty remakes of shitty movies from the 80's, prequels that no one really demands other than some shit-heel hollywierd exec, and disposable talent that will never make it to become legendary. The problem does not lie in complaining, but actually doing something to stop this attrocity called entertainment.
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The Len Wiseman TOTAL RECALL version will be a PG-13 crapfest with lots and lots of lousy digital effects and zero story.Mark my words.
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Was LFODH really worse than that typical Harlin shit-fest?
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I'm sick of reading on these posts that live free or die hard has high ratings on IMDB AND Rotten tomatoes. so what? does this mean that its actually a great movie and everyone who dislikes it is wrong? does this mean that we must all love it bcos 2 internet sites says its good? those fucking sites are not the be all and end all of film quality. imdb in particular is probably filled with reviews from teenage kids who werent even born when Die Hard came out in 1988 and think that transformers is the ultimate staple in action excellence. gimme a fucking break. die hard 4, in comparison to the other die hards is clearly noticebale and undeniably inferior to all die hards that came before it, including die hard 2. the publications i read reviewed and hated die hard 4, and any right thinking fan of the original would say the same. i dont give a shit what im fucking db says. oh and one of those publications that i read and whom are generally spot on with their reviews have slated the expendables, giving it 2 stars. oh dear.
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If you are sick of Wiseman movies being thoroughly blue-tinted, it will be interesting to see what he does once the story moves to the surface of Mars. Assuming Mars is even in the remake...
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These aggregate review sites can be helpful when deciding what film to see, but they are far from accurate. In one sense, they just take a reading in time about a film's popularity among critics or users of that website. However, just because the film is popular at one point in time does not mean it is good. Instead of looking at a film's popularity, you should examine the arguments made for and against the film and decide who makes the best argument. Judging by this talkback, I would say the arguments against Die Hard 4 are more well reasoned than those for.
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That phrase tells me that much like Twilight and the Hanna Montana movie...it is not a film for me. Fuck Twitter...the world reduced to poorly crafted, vapid, inane, shallow, self important and incomplete soundbites. Twitter is proof positive modern man has regressed to the mental capacity and expectation level of a Chimp.
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Well, I'm just about to take a huge fucking dump onto the Twitter logo... If dumb bastards like John Cena like Twitter, you know it's time to grow a fucking brain and stay away from that shite.
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Harry Potter and the Sorcerors stone to be re-imagined as its nearly been 10 years since it was released! To be directed by McQ!!!! hahahahahahahahaha! Erm, that was actually a full of shit statement before anyone says anything....but the irony is crystal clear. There ARE no original ideas out there, because everything has a risk factor and investors with potential millions on the line will not take the chance on a shit return.
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Jul 31, 2010 11:59:56 AM CDT
conspiracy - I share your sentiments about Twitter.
by the_genteel_gentile
And apprehensions on Scott Pilgrim. The hyperbole is simply deafening. For those that are eagerly awaiting Scott Pilgrim, I hope you realise the diservice actually being contributed to the health of the film by hyping a light farce far out of reachable proportions. That level of praise simply cannot be sustained, it is not 2001 or Apocaypse Now for pity sake. I portend a most vile backlash.
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I got talked into watching Live Free or Die Hard by a friend, holy shit was that underwhelming. John McClaine is the Terminator? You can't bargain with him, you can't reason with him, he doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not stop, ever, until the villain is dead! It wasn't compelling to watch, it was just setting up incredibly unbelievable odds and scenarios and then watching how John McClaine would survive. That's how a prop movie works, "clever" setups and gags, no real drama. Total Recall doesn't need a lot of drama, but it does need more "real" as Harry put it to carry the story from the future to Mars, and so far, this guy hasn't shown anything resembling that.
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DH4 was the 2nd best of the franchise and Total Recall sucked so bad, I can't even begin to say! Bring on the remake!
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DH rocked, DH2 SUCKED, DH3 was good.
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Are you sure you're even trashing the right movie? You're thinking of RUNNING MAN.
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As a film Running Man is much better than Total Racall. Although there is a quote from Total Recall that I use frequently. Whenever anything is supposed to happen in a couple of weeks or so I always say; "Two Week! Two weeks...agh...Ttt... twooo...alala...wwwweEE!!" "Get ready for a surprise!"
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Maybe Wiseman should have directed Terminator Salvation instead of McG. It couldn't have turned out any worse.
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To the first one. Much better. But Live Free and Die Hard was such an inspired mess. Weisman should never have agreed to direct such an unimaginative awful script.
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Jul 31, 2010 3:38:26 PM CDT
Can't we all at leat agree the best Underworld was
by the_genteel_gentile
Patrick Tatopoulos' Rise Of The Lycans? That movie was actually pretty epic. Evolution was nearly unwatchable, it's definitely something to be endured instead of enjoyed. The original was no prise either. DH4.0 was suprprisingly spry though. Wiseman showed me something there. Hell I'm looking forward to seeing Wiseman's Hawaii Five-0 Pilot. The adverts look really cool.
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Worst Die hard was 3. And Underworld was a nice comic with some mindless and stylish action.
Total Recall from Verhoeven was a pile of shit. looked and felt cheap and had nothing whatsoever to do with the original story.
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Jul 31, 2010 3:58:19 PM CDT
Metahuman_slayer - Intellectualize that argument.
by the_genteel_gentile
How is "With A Vengence" the worst Die Hard? Talk me into it.
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No it's not an exact science but it's still pretty accurate. If you really didn't like Die Hard 4 or hated it then you are in the clear minority of Die Hard fans. Yeah it could have been better. It also could have been a lot worse. No one was really expecting this to be much more than a half-asses, mediocre entry. At least I had very low expectations. It was certainly more successful in delivering to the franchises fans than Indy 4. 7.5 is a pretty good score, it's not a bonafide classic, and the score is a tad higher than a lot of really terrible action movies. It's on the same level as Die Hard 3. It was a huge success and keeps the possibility of a Die Hard 5 open.
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Raiders of the Lost Ark 8.7 (that's about the very high end score, a 10) Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom 7.5/10 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 8.3/10 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 6.6/10 Bad Boys II 6.2/10
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Okay...yup, posting when wiped is NOT a good idea...ya tend to mess up your film titles. *g* Total Recall blew chunks but THE RUNNING MAN blew even moreso, which was the story by Richard Bachman. Sorry for the mix-up, folks. LOL
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Die Hard 3 was far better than the 2nd one. Such a fun roller coaster ride. Die Hard 2 was decent ut dragged in certain parts and the villans were not as fun.
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Jul 31, 2010 6:49:37 PM CDT
Oh please it's all about THE BUTCHER OF BAKERSFIELD!
by the_genteel_gentile
Ben Richards.
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Jul 31, 2010 6:58:31 PM CDT
WilliamZabkaRox - DH2 has the whole airphone plot hole.
by the_genteel_gentile
That's a film crusher right there. I really enjoy Die Harder, but it must be at the bottom of the list for such a major oversight. Just make the call, like you did at the begining of the movie (even though in reality you can't call an airphone from a land line and there's no Pacific Bell service in Washington D.C.)! The airphones are obviously still functioning because that weasel reporter guy cannot be pried away from his.
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Willis on a phone running from one corner of the city to the other, basically, that´s it.
Intellectual enough for you?
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Jul 31, 2010 8:59:03 PM CDT
Wow, it seems a lot of "people" don't like Total Recall.....
by mjs_cold_dead_pale_corpse
Who needs them, they're all pedophiles anyways. TR still holds 79% positive on Rotten Ts ya faggots!
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If you think Inception was actually an original concept you must be out of your cotton-picking mind. Everything about Inception was blatantly ripped-off from other franchises. The alternate reality via the dream-world has been done numerous times before. He stole his concept from Dreamscape and Vanilla Sky. Example, the way the character Mal was written was a carbon copy of Cameron Diaz's character. The woman who is your mortal enemy in the alternate reality, is actually the love of your life in the "real-world". The gun fights in the movie were mind-numbingly boring, even though snow fight was a rip-off of Vin Diezels Babylon and James Camerons True Lies.
And sorry pal, District 9 didn't rip off any franchises, plus, the action scenes in District 9 completely eviscerates anything in Inception. -
That's been released in the last 10 years? *********Crickets**********
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Jul 31, 2010 9:46:48 PM CDT
I'm starting to suspect they don't want me posting here anymore
by lyndsy_lohans_prozac_prescription
r.i.p. SCARLETT_JOHANSSONS_BREAST_MILK lol. D9's action indeed > Inception's. D9's was fucking bad-ass.
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running man is dope!
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but both are great Sci-Fi flicks. But yeah, most of the Sci-Fi movies released in the last 10 years have been monkey garbage.
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I've been saying that for months now
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Moon The Road Avatar Or How about Sunshine, Cloverfield, Minority Report and A.I.? Now I'm necessarily saying they are all better than District 9, but they're in the same rarified field of excellence and it's certainly up for debate. The fact of the matter is District 9 takes cues from plenty of other properties. Shades of The Fly, Cops, The Office, Alien Nation, V, Catch A Fire, Bloody Sunday, Species, Aliens, Altered States, The Incredible Hulk, Cloverfield, X-Men, MIB, Robot Jox, Half-Life, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Prototype, F.E.A.R. 2, and Quake readily come to mind. Of course it's precisely in the way District 9 weaves those varied elements that makes it something original and brilliant.
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Aug 01, 2010 12:51:21 AM CDT
MJs_Cold_Dead_Pale_Corpse - Vanilla Sky was great though.
by the_genteel_gentile
Vanilla Sky 2 sounds good to me. Or should it be called "Open Your Eyes... Again"?
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Moon was an excellent film, but it was to one dimensional to compare with D-9. The Road, never seen it so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I did for the sake of argument. Avatar, one of my favorite movies ever, it had unmatchable visuals, however we both know that Jim's self imposed hiatus has rendered his penmanship to a level of predictable rustiness. Although I do expect story telling skills to vastly improve once Avatar2 rolls around. Sunshine, good, but not even close, we both know that. Minority Report and A.I were both solid, so I'm not going to debase them in the slightest. Here's the point. The writing and directorial skills of Niel Blomkamp is where James Cameron use to be when he wrote Aliens. Or when Steven wrote Close Encounters. Lastly, I noticed you included a-lot of films that Niel allegedly borrowed from, however you didn't provide any specific examples. I'm not saying he wasn't influenced by the classics of the past, honestly, most good story tellers are, however in Neils case, he only used small tid bits, not entire plot lines like Chris Nolan did.
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Yeah you should definitely check out The Road. Something tells me that if were thoughtful enough to type that reasoned response, then you're the type of guy that will really dig The Road. A really excellent movie that was criminally mishandled so as to be overlooked by the public (much like Moon). If you're not familar with the McCormick McCarthy novel, it's not the kind of sci-fi with spaceships or lazer guns or anything, it's simply set in a ravaged bleak world after a non specific apocalyse. But it's a fantastic film.
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then i guess you havent watched yet the Fly and Alien Nation.There is no parthenogenesis in art boys,just get it over with it.
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Aug 01, 2010 5:29:28 PM CDT
D9 ripped from Cloverfield, Alien Nation, The Fly, Robocop
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Inception from Paprika, Dreamscape, The Matrix, Dark City, The 13th Floor, and the Bourne movies.D9 does have better action than Inception, though. Inception's action was terrible and unneccessary. But as a film overall, Inception is better. And Avatar is better than both.
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D9 the unimpeachable best sci fi of the last 10 years? Don't be fucking ridiculous. It isn't even the best sci fi of the last 2 years.
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Aug 01, 2010 5:40:00 PM CDT
D9 doesn't have great writing, ganymede
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Comparable to Cameron at his Aliens apex? I'm not sure D9 even had a script. The first half was just a series of satirical vignettes, and the latter half abandoned to all out action and just a chase. Avatar, for all its predictability, was a much more well rounded story overall. And make no mistake, since it remained largely unchanged since it was first written in the mid-90's it cannot be due to rustiness; it was clearly an intentionally simple (though not simplistic) archetypal story that was the intention. I expect Avatar 2 is going to make that very clear indeed, and we are going to see some truly weird shit straight out of classic hard sci fi novels.
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A few more I just thought of (in no particular order)... Children Of Men (although it quickly became overrated was still pretty great.) Blindness (Very under appreciated. Brilliant sci-fi. Better than Children Of Men to me.) I Am Legend (Aside from the horrible CG Vampires/Zombies I thought it was very good. At least it's way better than I, Robot.) 28 Days/Weeks Later (Well if I Am Legend should count, then so should these because they're superior.)
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my penis very hard
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Also very good.
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almost always i find myself to agree with what you say.big minds and all that..
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... because I liked Underworld.
Not perfect, but not Uwe "Direction So Bad It Actually Distracts Viewers" Boll either -
... bad for film, the world, and the memory of an awesome flick at the time.
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